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I want some!
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It's the Monopoly game,
only at McDonald's!
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With over 50 million prizes,
it's supersized excitement...
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- Monopoly.
- Do not pass "Go."
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Go directly to McDonald's.
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If you were around
back in the '90s...
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Now at McDonald's,
Monopoly is more than a game!
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You can play it...
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You heard it everywhere.
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The game Monopoly
is back at McDonald's,
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bigger and better than ever.
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This year,
there's more prizes than ever.
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McDonald's ran
the Monopoly game for years.
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Hey, collect
the right game pieces...
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And win $2 million.
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But no one...
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knew the truth about
the game being played.
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No one.
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People everywhere
are winning big!
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♪ I've been caught stealing ♪
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♪ Once, when I was five ♪
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♪ I enjoy stealing ♪
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The McDonald's prizes could be cars...
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boats... $100,000...
up to the $1,000,000.
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♪ When I want something, man ♪
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♪ I don't wanna pay for it ♪
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But from 1989 to 2001...
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I won a Dodge Viper!
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There were almost no legitimate winners
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of the high value game pieces
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in the McDonald's Monopoly game.
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I mean, how crazy
bullshit is that?
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♪ It's mine ♪
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Jacksonville FBI had
a little bit of a reputation
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of being a Sleepy Hollow
retirement office.
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There was a slower
attitude there.
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Very undersized.
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You know, a fraction
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of a Miami or an Atlanta
or something like that,
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spread, you know...
spread very thin.
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At the time, in 2001,
I supervised a squad
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of approximately 12 agents
charged with investigating
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white-collar crime, bank fraud,
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healthcare fraud,
public corruption.
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Even before I got there,
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I kept hearing about
this legendary guy, Rick Dent,
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mid-career senior agent
and his partner Doug Mathews,
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a newly assigned agent
to the division.
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I'm Special Agent Mathews.
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When you pull Jacksonville
as an office you're going to,
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I know what I heard was,
"Good luck with that."
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For big cases, man, you are...
you're like duct-taping stuff
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together just 'cause
you wanna make it happen.
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That's the type
of division you were in.
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I was lucky to link up
with Rick Dent early on
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and have him as the old guard,
you know, my training agent.
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He's a mathematician and has
about as much personality
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as this piece of wood
right here.
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Very matter of fact.
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And so he and I were
kind of opposites there.
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You know, I'm always looking
for another fun ride, right?
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If you guys get to Rick Dent,
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I'm telling you he's gonna be...
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"Yes."
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"No."
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"Don't recall."
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The priority for the FBI
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at that particular juncture
was healthcare fraud.
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We're working a one-
to three-year type case.
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That's a long time.
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Sometimes I have that ADD thing
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of the shinier object
or whatever.
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So I see this note
in the corner part of his desk,
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and all I saw was
"McDonald's Monopoly Fraud?"
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with a question mark.
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And I go, "What is that?"
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'Cause I'm bored to death
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of this healthcare garbage,
right?
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It's important,
but I was ready to move on.
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I go, "Is this the McDonald's
Monopoly game?"
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He was like, "Yeah.
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Eventually I was gonna
get around to it."
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So what he told me was
that there was an individual
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who had called in
and had this story
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that the Monopoly game
was fixed.
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That was pretty much it.
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I go, "Give me that damn thing.
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I'm gonna go check this out."
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I'm seeing the fun
meter with that.
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Like, that's gotta be
more fun than this shit
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that I'm looking at.
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Dent thought it was
just some BS story...
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so, "Pfff, this... yeah, here.
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Run with this for a little bit,
young man."
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I contacted the source
of this call,
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and the source
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gave me three names
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that were previous
million-dollar winners
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and said,
"I know this is fixed because
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"these people are related.
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"They're on
the family tree somehow.
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With all different names."
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And the person
who's controlling this
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was this nebulous name
of Uncle Jerry.
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So I come back, like,
I'm excited right?
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I got the biggest case
ever, right?
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And I said, "Look,
all million-dollar winners.
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"We need to be on this.
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Screw that health...
" I think I probably said that."
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"Screw that healthcare shit
we're working, right?"
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Or something like that.
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I don't... Rick,
I don't know if that was it,
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or I know you would
never agree with that.
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But like any senior agent goes...
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and this happens
even in today's Bureau.
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The new young guy goes out
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and finds a nice piece of gold.
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The old agent goes,
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"Give me that back,
and let me look at this."
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That's about how it was.
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Truth be told,
I was a little skeptical.
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You know, fast food,
promotional game fraud
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was not making any list
of priorities anywhere.
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I don't think anybody
had really even seen anything
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like this before, so...
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there's always a risk that I
turn these guys loose on this,
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and it turns out it's not true
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and that I've expended
resources,
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but you know,
I think we all realized...
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if this is true, this is,
you know... this is big.
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What Rick did was
immediately get in touch
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with the U. S. Attorney's
Office and Mark Devereaux,
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'cause if you don't have
an interest from a prosecutor,
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you're wasting your time.
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Devereaux was the go-to guy
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that prosecuted
all of our white-collar stuff.
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If there's a chance
this thing can be indicted,
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prosecuted,
even if it's a difficult case,
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he's gonna be the guy to do it
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because he's the guy
behind the wheel.
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That part of the sell,
to get that prosecutor on was...
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that was a big deal.
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I don't know if Devereaux
knew what Monopoly game was.
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I have no idea.
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You know, I think
he was a Burger King guy.
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I don't know.
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My name's Mark Devereaux,
Assistant U. S. Attorney
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for almost 30 years.
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In this case, it was, you know,
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I don't know if this is real,
or don't know
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if it's just somebody
trying to get family members
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somehow interviewed
and get 'em in trouble.
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But lo and behold...
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when we received
a list of all the winners,
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we were able to show,
through different databases,
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that these individuals
were related.
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They had family connections
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in the local Jacksonville area.
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In my world,
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you don't believe
in coincidences very much.
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And the chance of having
numerous family members
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and relatives win the game
was just astronomical.
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Basically, you've got
less of a chance than you do
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of getting struck
by lightning in Florida.
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At that point in time,
we knew there was a problem.
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How big was that problem?
We had no idea.
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The information
that we were compiling
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is that their contest
had been infected
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years before we became aware.
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I mean, we're talking,
you know, altogether,
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potentially hundreds
of millions of dollars
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of these prizes.
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Well, how much of that is fraud?
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Once Devereaux said, "Yeah,
I'm interested in this,"
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he's on for everything.
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All the strategy sessions.
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Some prosecutors,
you see that space, you know.
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Devereaux, you got no space.
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Right all up in there with you.
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So we start with where
could there be the opportunity
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to steal the game piece?
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We weren't sure
if there was somebody inside
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with McDonald's,
where that person was,
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how many, and how far that went.
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How many suspects do we have?
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We have to figure out
who makes the cups,
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who makes the fry box,
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who makes these game pieces
that you would pull off...
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how many people
are in this chain?
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There's all
kinds of possibilities.
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This could be the driver,
the delivery people,
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people in the factory,
or even, you know,
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somebody in corporate
at McDonald's.
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We didn't close out anyone.
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So there reached a point
where there was a ton
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of questions, but it was,
I mean, very difficult
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to pursue that further without
putting some action to it.
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There wasn't a lot of, like,
let me just, you know,
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at the time get on
the Internet and do some...
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there wasn't a lot of that.
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We clearly had
to start somewhere,
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but without
compromising the case.
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So we needed a source
of information on the inside.
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There was a big decision
to be made, and that was:
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do we contact McDonald's?
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Because we just ran
into a dead end.
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I was sitting back going,
"Don't let 'em know.
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I don't want them involved yet.
Way too soon."
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But that's me.
And I was... that was just one
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little tiny voice, and I mean
tiny when I say that.
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Of course there's
a possibility that somebody
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in McDonald's is involved
or knows about this
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and is looking the other way,
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but that was a risk
we were willing to,
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you know, ultimately
willing to take.
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We didn't want to alert
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too many people at McDonald's,
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so we contacted their
head of global security,
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Rob Holm, and told him that,
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"It would probably be best for
you to come to Jacksonville."
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Didn't tell him why.
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Just told him,
"You have to come and see us."
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That this was need-to-know only.
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Do not tell anybody
you're coming to see the FBI,
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to keep it quiet.
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McDonald's sent three people
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and I personally picked them
up here in Jacksonville,
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and we drove over to the FBI
office in the morning.
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Mostly it was just,
"Welcome to Jacksonville,"
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this and that.
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Didn't even explain
to them what we had.
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We got to the FBI office...
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Took 'em up
to the conference room...
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You know, you're evaluating
their body language
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or whether they're twitching.
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Are they genuine?
Are they legitimate?
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Or is there... you know, is there
something else going on here?
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At that point, we did not know
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if McDonald's was involved.
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Every organization
can have a bad apple.
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This part of the investigation
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was extremely boring to me.
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Like, I don't want
anything to do with this.
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"Call me when it's over, Rick,"
right?
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And... which was sort
of my M. O. a lot of times.
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It's way too slow for me,
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but I was... "No, you gotta
be here for that."
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And I so I think I showed up.
I might've had a gold suit on.
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I had it in the closet,
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and I thought,
"This is a great opportunity,
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when it's like a golden
fry suit," right?
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Man, when I wore that
in there, Mark Devereaux,
253
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if he could've ripped it off
with his hands, he would have.
254
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He goes, "Are you kidding me?"
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But I had a white
shirt on, right?
256
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So I thought I was safe.
257
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I wasn't.
258
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Doug has quite a wardrobe,
and there he is sitting there.
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And lo and behold, he looks like
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he's a manager of a McDonald's.
261
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They thought it was cool.
262
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I'm kidding.
263
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So when you're there
in that meeting, very tense.
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I went up to a whiteboard
and started putting names down.
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And I asked,
"Do you recognize the names?"
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"No, sir."
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"All these people
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are winners on your
promotional games."
269
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And then I started drawing lines
270
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of family connections
and relationships.
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Devereaux's putting it
right on the whiteboard there.
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"Well, did you know this?
Do you know this?"
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Brothers, sisters, cousins,
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a mother-daughter,
that type thing.
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This person is married
to this person's daughter.
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And the names, the last names,
were all different.
277
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And I remember it was
literally jaws on the table.
278
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They just could not believe it.
279
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Even though we had,
it looked like,
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our corporate victim
here of McDonald's,
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are they truly a victim?
282
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I mean, there's always that.
283
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And so, there was
more information there
284
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than I would've
probably put out there.
285
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Certainly enough
for them to see,
286
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"Wow, yeah, we have an issue."
287
00:16:00,668 --> 00:16:03,921
Everybody agreed that
we needed to keep this circle
288
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of individuals
that had this knowledge
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to the absolute minimum.
290
00:16:10,887 --> 00:16:13,431
You know, Devereaux
was doing most the talking
291
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as he usually does,
and it just seemed like
292
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this meeting just took forever.
293
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I don't even know
if I was hungry;
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I might've been hungry
twice in that meeting.
295
00:16:26,152 --> 00:16:28,112
Proving this case historically,
296
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which is what we traditionally
did in white-collar cases
297
00:16:31,115 --> 00:16:32,283
when you rely on paperwork,
298
00:16:32,366 --> 00:16:33,910
you rely on witness interviews,
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you rely on bank statements,
was gonna be very difficult.
300
00:16:37,580 --> 00:16:40,249
I mean, almost monumental.
301
00:16:40,333 --> 00:16:43,961
So we would, in this case,
have to think outside the box.
302
00:16:44,045 --> 00:16:47,131
And then we find out
that they were on the cusp
303
00:16:47,215 --> 00:16:48,883
of running another game.
304
00:16:48,966 --> 00:16:53,471
It was kind of a perfect fit
because we were looking
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00:16:53,554 --> 00:16:55,640
to doing something proactively,
306
00:16:55,723 --> 00:16:57,558
essentially catch people
in the act.
307
00:16:58,643 --> 00:17:01,354
We told them the only way
308
00:17:01,437 --> 00:17:05,650
to identify this
criminal enterprise was
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to have them run a game
knowing that there's fraud
310
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somewhere involved in this.
311
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- We have this.
- We're going forward.
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We want your help.
313
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If the answer is no...
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nothing happens.
315
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My name is Rob Holm,
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Director of Global Security
for McDonald's.
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Our brand is,
throughout the world,
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37,000 restaurants
319
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in 120 countries.
320
00:17:52,947 --> 00:17:55,074
So it's... it's a big
responsibility.
321
00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:02,290
When I first learned
about our Monopoly game
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00:18:02,373 --> 00:18:05,001
being compromised,
I was shocked.
323
00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:06,669
I was utterly shocked.
324
00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:08,754
How in the world
could this have happened?
325
00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:12,925
More importantly, was anybody
from McDonald's a part of this?
326
00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:18,139
The FBI wanted
to run the promotion
327
00:18:18,222 --> 00:18:21,267
knowing that it was rigged.
328
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:23,394
I was hesitant to do that,
329
00:18:23,477 --> 00:18:26,897
obviously concerned that
if this game is rigged,
330
00:18:26,981 --> 00:18:29,358
customers are not
even gonna get a chance
331
00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,319
to win the million dollars.
332
00:18:31,402 --> 00:18:34,447
I think we were naive
to think that they would agree
333
00:18:34,530 --> 00:18:37,116
right then and there
and, you know, we'd be off to,
334
00:18:37,199 --> 00:18:39,368
you know, off... off and running.
335
00:18:39,452 --> 00:18:41,746
These promotions were...
336
00:18:41,829 --> 00:18:45,082
of everything McDonald's,
one of the bright spots.
337
00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:47,335
You know, I remember
the mad cow, and at that time,
338
00:18:47,418 --> 00:18:49,086
McDonald's was, you know,
339
00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:50,963
struggling with
some image things.
340
00:18:51,047 --> 00:18:53,799
Concern over Britain's
so-called mad cow disease
341
00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:56,844
spread late today
to McDonald's restaurants.
342
00:18:56,927 --> 00:18:58,763
First mad cow, now this.
343
00:18:58,846 --> 00:19:01,807
♪ McDonald's and you ♪
344
00:19:01,891 --> 00:19:04,977
♪ McDonald's and you,
sharing good times ♪
345
00:19:05,061 --> 00:19:07,438
The most important thing
for McDonald's
346
00:19:07,521 --> 00:19:08,773
is their brand name.
347
00:19:08,856 --> 00:19:11,859
They're a family restaurant
that can be trusted.
348
00:19:11,942 --> 00:19:15,738
Their golden arches
are a part of America.
349
00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:18,783
♪ Remember there's
only one McDonald's ♪
350
00:19:18,866 --> 00:19:21,702
♪ And there's only one you ♪
351
00:19:21,786 --> 00:19:24,038
They have to protect that.
352
00:19:24,121 --> 00:19:26,499
♪ McDonald's and you ♪
353
00:19:26,582 --> 00:19:31,796
And so, if it's on the 6:00
news and the national news
354
00:19:31,879 --> 00:19:34,382
that McDonald's
games are a fraud,
355
00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:37,635
they could suffer
irreparable damage
356
00:19:37,718 --> 00:19:40,304
to their good name.
357
00:19:40,388 --> 00:19:42,014
I wasn't in their meetings,
358
00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:44,016
but I would bet
dollars to doughnuts
359
00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:47,311
that there were a few people
that said, "We can't do this.
360
00:19:47,395 --> 00:19:51,315
Shut it off," and nobody
ever finds out about this.
361
00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:53,234
They wanted this big meeting.
362
00:19:53,317 --> 00:19:56,320
And so we went
out there to Illinois,
363
00:19:56,404 --> 00:19:57,321
at their headquarters.
364
00:19:57,405 --> 00:19:59,657
They got, like, this...
365
00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:01,742
great coffee inside to...
366
00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:03,285
you know,
when you walk in their place
367
00:20:03,369 --> 00:20:04,829
and you're waiting on them.
368
00:20:04,912 --> 00:20:07,998
So anyway, I know
that's a... aside.
369
00:20:08,082 --> 00:20:10,835
And at that time,
we weren't sure
370
00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:13,129
which way they were gonna go.
371
00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:15,965
That was a heck of a decision.
372
00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:20,010
There were so many "what ifs."
373
00:20:20,094 --> 00:20:23,848
What if it's somebody
within our own company?
374
00:20:23,931 --> 00:20:25,266
A traitor?
375
00:20:25,349 --> 00:20:26,934
We've got a problem.
376
00:20:28,602 --> 00:20:30,146
They needed to find that out,
377
00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,314
because if they had just
shut down,
378
00:20:32,398 --> 00:20:34,024
it may have continued.
379
00:20:34,108 --> 00:20:35,693
Look, how many people
been playing this thing?
380
00:20:35,776 --> 00:20:38,696
And they're gonna find out
we didn't help burn this down.
381
00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:42,533
McDonald's knew
they had a ticking bomb.
382
00:20:47,955 --> 00:20:50,541
Making that call
was something that
383
00:20:50,624 --> 00:20:52,126
we took seriously.
384
00:20:52,209 --> 00:20:54,086
Our worry all along was
385
00:20:54,170 --> 00:20:57,256
that this could be
leaked out publically.
386
00:20:57,339 --> 00:20:59,967
So it was not an easy decision,
387
00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:02,636
but ultimately,
we owed it to our customers
388
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,346
to do the right thing,
389
00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:07,141
which is to run the game
one more time.
390
00:21:08,809 --> 00:21:12,646
We absolutely knew that
if we didn't get this right,
391
00:21:12,730 --> 00:21:14,356
we're not getting another
opportunity.
392
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,066
It's not like, "Don't worry.
393
00:21:16,150 --> 00:21:17,568
We'll run this again
next month."
394
00:21:17,651 --> 00:21:21,071
We knew that, at best,
we had this one shot
395
00:21:21,155 --> 00:21:24,074
to move our investigation.
396
00:21:24,158 --> 00:21:26,327
♪ This is how we do it ♪
397
00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:28,537
From that point,
it was literally,
398
00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:30,998
"McDonald's, tell us
how this program works."
399
00:21:31,081 --> 00:21:33,626
But McDonald's
makes French fries
400
00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:36,754
and hamburgers
and milkshakes and apple pies.
401
00:21:36,837 --> 00:21:39,131
They don't make marketing.
402
00:21:39,215 --> 00:21:40,716
They outsourced it.
403
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,887
They hired a marketing
company, Simon Marketing.
404
00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:46,597
♪ This is how we do it ♪
405
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,599
Simon Marketing actually
produced and came up with
406
00:21:48,682 --> 00:21:50,559
the Happy Meal toys
back in the '80s.
407
00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,770
Your kids will love
McDonald's Happy Meal.
408
00:21:52,853 --> 00:21:54,230
It's food and fun in a box.
409
00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:55,981
The Happy Meal is gonna
increase your business,
410
00:21:56,065 --> 00:21:57,316
but it's for the children.
411
00:21:57,399 --> 00:21:58,984
I've got a Happy Meal!
412
00:21:59,068 --> 00:22:01,195
They wanted
a promotion for the adult.
413
00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:03,072
♪ Like McDonald's can ♪
414
00:22:03,155 --> 00:22:04,740
I'm Richard White,
415
00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:07,868
started at Simon Marketing
in 1981.
416
00:22:07,952 --> 00:22:11,455
The game Monopoly has
come to life at McDonald's.
417
00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:14,250
The Monopoly game,
we designed that game
418
00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,752
and it was running once a year.
419
00:22:16,836 --> 00:22:19,088
A $2 million grand prize!
420
00:22:19,171 --> 00:22:20,422
Play Monopoly.
421
00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:22,466
It was a ridiculous
amount of increase
422
00:22:22,550 --> 00:22:23,759
in McDonald's business.
423
00:22:23,843 --> 00:22:26,303
Like, 40% when we ran the game.
424
00:22:26,387 --> 00:22:28,013
People love collecting.
425
00:22:28,097 --> 00:22:29,598
The Monopoly promotion
426
00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:33,644
is much like the "Monopoly"
game you would have at home.
427
00:22:33,727 --> 00:22:36,272
Customers try
to match game pieces,
428
00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:38,440
like Boardwalk and Park Place.
429
00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,943
They had their cards,
and it'd be full,
430
00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:43,195
but they'd be missing a piece
and a piece and a piece...
431
00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:44,989
and a piece and a piece...
'cause those were
432
00:22:45,072 --> 00:22:46,198
the winning pieces.
433
00:22:46,282 --> 00:22:48,534
And there was low-value
pieces that you could win
434
00:22:48,617 --> 00:22:50,452
food items, beverages,
435
00:22:50,536 --> 00:22:51,745
and then some
of the high-value pieces:
436
00:22:51,829 --> 00:22:54,331
homes, vehicles,
and the million dollars.
437
00:22:54,415 --> 00:22:55,791
Boardwalk.
438
00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:57,459
Boardwalk?
439
00:22:57,543 --> 00:22:59,461
So they were after that
million-dollar winner.
440
00:22:59,545 --> 00:23:01,672
You know, people
like chance games.
441
00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:03,549
Any game we did for McDonald's
442
00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:05,175
always increased their business.
443
00:23:05,259 --> 00:23:07,261
We actually did
Scrabble one year.
444
00:23:07,344 --> 00:23:10,347
Got to where they started
doing it twice a year.
445
00:23:10,431 --> 00:23:12,182
How are we gonna
get our sales back up?
446
00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:14,268
Let's run Monopoly again.
447
00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:16,520
♪ This is how we do it ♪
448
00:23:16,604 --> 00:23:18,188
♪ All hands up in the air ♪
449
00:23:18,272 --> 00:23:20,357
There were very specific rules
450
00:23:20,441 --> 00:23:23,193
for how you could
obtain the game piece.
451
00:23:23,277 --> 00:23:26,655
One of the ways was
that you could just walk in
452
00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:29,867
and ask, for free,
to get a game piece.
453
00:23:29,950 --> 00:23:31,911
Because otherwise
it was gambling.
454
00:23:31,994 --> 00:23:33,871
How else can you
get the game piece?
455
00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:36,040
You could go in
and buy a food product,
456
00:23:36,123 --> 00:23:38,167
and you could get the game piece
457
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:39,919
out of some of the magazines.
458
00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:42,963
Nowhere in the game
rules does it say,
459
00:23:43,047 --> 00:23:46,675
"I can get a game piece
from Uncle Jerry."
460
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,178
♪ This is how we do it ♪
461
00:23:53,891 --> 00:23:55,392
With a significant case,
462
00:23:55,476 --> 00:23:58,270
an undercover operation
or something that involves
463
00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:00,522
a lot of people,
you could give it a name.
464
00:24:00,606 --> 00:24:02,733
So we had a contest
to come up with a name
465
00:24:02,816 --> 00:24:04,902
among... among the squad.
466
00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:06,403
Some of the names, uh...
467
00:24:06,487 --> 00:24:09,406
Operation Unhappy Meal,
Fallen Arches.
468
00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:12,159
I think there were a few
playing on the Hamburglar,
469
00:24:12,242 --> 00:24:13,953
something about Stale Fries.
470
00:24:14,036 --> 00:24:15,412
I don't think
we sent that one up
471
00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:16,872
to headquarters for approval.
472
00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:19,959
I think calmer,
more rational minds prevailed.
473
00:24:20,042 --> 00:24:21,585
The new promotional
game was called,
474
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:22,920
"Who Wants
to Be a Millionaire?"
475
00:24:23,003 --> 00:24:24,546
to match up with the TV show.
476
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:25,881
Play the "Who Wants
to be a Millionaire"
477
00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:27,383
game at McDonald's.
478
00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:28,842
If you remember
the TV show, they asked,
479
00:24:28,926 --> 00:24:30,260
"Is that your final answer?"
480
00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:32,012
- Final answer?
- Final answer.
481
00:24:32,096 --> 00:24:35,224
So that ultimately became
the name of this operation.
482
00:24:37,851 --> 00:24:39,186
Game time.
483
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:41,188
Kickoff has started,
and we're in the game.
484
00:24:49,196 --> 00:24:51,615
At the time,
I was always looking for
485
00:24:51,699 --> 00:24:54,326
an undercover angle,
even though I was being told,
486
00:24:54,410 --> 00:24:56,245
"You don't want that.
You don't want that."
487
00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:57,705
You know, I was always asking,
488
00:24:57,788 --> 00:25:00,040
"What about this one?
What about this one?"
489
00:25:00,124 --> 00:25:01,625
Go get the bad guy, right?
490
00:25:01,709 --> 00:25:04,044
I wanna burn down
the criminal enterprise.
491
00:25:05,546 --> 00:25:07,631
Maybe it's the...
the accountant in him
492
00:25:07,715 --> 00:25:09,758
or this Walter Mitty complex,
493
00:25:09,842 --> 00:25:11,427
but this was the opportunity
494
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,470
to, you know,
be an undercover agent
495
00:25:13,554 --> 00:25:16,974
even before we could
articulate the need
496
00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:19,852
to do any kind of undercover...
that there was always this,
497
00:25:19,935 --> 00:25:21,645
you know, somehow, some way,
498
00:25:21,729 --> 00:25:23,856
we gotta do
an undercover in this thing.
499
00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:27,651
Every single meeting,
I'm the one over there going,
500
00:25:27,735 --> 00:25:30,195
"Undercover investigation,
undercover investigation."
501
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:32,156
I didn't think
anybody was listening.
502
00:25:32,239 --> 00:25:33,615
As a matter of fact,
I think a couple of them
503
00:25:33,699 --> 00:25:35,951
started out with, "Mathews,
I don't wanna hear anything
504
00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:37,536
"about an undercover
investigation.
505
00:25:37,619 --> 00:25:39,288
Just sit over there
and listen."
506
00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:42,374
Rick always coined that
I was the George Costanza
507
00:25:42,458 --> 00:25:44,334
'cause "Seinfeld"
was big back then.
508
00:25:44,418 --> 00:25:47,504
All right, that's it for me.
509
00:25:47,588 --> 00:25:49,715
Take care, everybody.
510
00:25:49,798 --> 00:25:51,508
I'd come in and I'd say,
"Undercover,"
511
00:25:51,592 --> 00:25:53,177
and I'm gone, I was out.
512
00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:55,262
You could kind of let him
run with things a little bit
513
00:25:55,345 --> 00:25:57,431
and then bring him back
to reality.
514
00:25:57,514 --> 00:25:59,266
Okay, "Yeah, that's great, Doug.
515
00:25:59,349 --> 00:26:01,935
"By the way, I still need
that FD-302 you promised me,
516
00:26:02,019 --> 00:26:05,022
"so why don't you
go get that done,
517
00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:07,357
and then we'll talk
about undercover work."
518
00:26:11,195 --> 00:26:13,405
So we get the call
from McDonald's that this guy,
519
00:26:13,489 --> 00:26:17,034
Michael Hoover, a winner,
had claimed the latest prize.
520
00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:21,038
So we had the advantage
of knowing this person's name,
521
00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:24,249
and we're able to do a little
bit of preliminary background.
522
00:26:28,045 --> 00:26:31,632
Think he worked as a pit boss
at a casino.
523
00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:34,927
So I guess he would've
been familiar with
524
00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:37,846
gambling and sweepstakes
and whatnot.
525
00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:40,682
Rick wanted to try
to do the wiretap.
526
00:26:40,766 --> 00:26:43,060
It's a called a Title III
investigation, and it's...
527
00:26:43,143 --> 00:26:45,395
the wiretap
investigation got up.
528
00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:47,314
And, you know, you're sitting...
529
00:26:47,397 --> 00:26:48,649
you're not really
doing anything,
530
00:26:48,732 --> 00:26:50,901
and that's
a boring situation for me.
531
00:26:50,984 --> 00:26:52,569
I don't know how
many poems I can write
532
00:26:52,653 --> 00:26:54,655
on a piece of paper
to get through it.
533
00:26:54,738 --> 00:26:57,950
So I said, "Look,
what do you think about this?"
534
00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,118
When you win,
part of your signing up
535
00:27:00,202 --> 00:27:02,955
as a winner is to say,
"Hey, I'm okay with using
536
00:27:03,038 --> 00:27:05,749
my face in the big check,"
or whatever it is
537
00:27:05,833 --> 00:27:07,459
for future promotions.
538
00:27:07,543 --> 00:27:09,753
So I saw that as an opportunity.
539
00:27:09,837 --> 00:27:13,215
Let's use that
as a platform for us.
540
00:27:15,133 --> 00:27:17,386
I said, "I think this
is a great opportunity
541
00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:19,972
"for an undercover
investigation where we do
542
00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:23,267
"this TV commercial
of the winners
543
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:25,394
"like Publishers Clearing House.
544
00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:28,063
"Jumping up, telling us
how they won these
545
00:27:28,146 --> 00:27:30,065
"and what they did with it,
that kind of thing.
546
00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:32,901
"So we could do
that with Hoover.
547
00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:35,237
"You know, we're
the production company.
548
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,488
That's how this could roll."
549
00:27:36,572 --> 00:27:38,949
He's like, "Mathews,
who's gonna do this?
550
00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:40,826
You gonna do it?
'Cause I'm not doing it."
551
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:43,120
And I said,
"Yeah, I'm gonna do it."
552
00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:45,289
He goes, "Well, you don't
know anything about that."
553
00:27:45,372 --> 00:27:48,125
And I said,
"I'm gonna be the director.
554
00:27:48,208 --> 00:27:49,793
"Because they don't do shit.
555
00:27:49,877 --> 00:27:53,297
"And then I'm gonna
get McDonald's to give me
556
00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:55,424
their public relations."
557
00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:56,592
That's all I said.
558
00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:58,385
And Rick goes, "Wait a minute.
559
00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:00,888
"If we're going to do anything,
560
00:28:00,971 --> 00:28:03,807
we're gonna need
SAC authority."
561
00:28:11,732 --> 00:28:14,109
- I'm Tom Kneir.
- I was the special agent
562
00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:17,613
in charge of the Jacksonville
office of the FBI.
563
00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:21,533
In each office, you have
the SAC for the office.
564
00:28:21,617 --> 00:28:23,535
That's their
Special Agent in Charge.
565
00:28:23,619 --> 00:28:25,454
And then you have squads.
566
00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:31,335
Most of the contact is usually
with the squad supervisor.
567
00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:33,670
But this was... this
was a particular case
568
00:28:33,754 --> 00:28:37,674
that, you know, I had
a lot of hands-on with Chris
569
00:28:37,758 --> 00:28:39,760
and everybody that
worked on that case.
570
00:28:40,928 --> 00:28:43,180
Doug was almost
brand new at the time,
571
00:28:43,263 --> 00:28:46,350
and he's been given
a badge, a gun,
572
00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:47,851
and some credentials,
573
00:28:47,935 --> 00:28:50,354
and now he's got
a Superman's cape, right?
574
00:28:50,437 --> 00:28:52,439
And away he goes.
575
00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:55,233
So the next day,
I think I was called.
576
00:28:55,317 --> 00:28:57,611
And he said, "Hey,
you need to come up here."
577
00:28:57,694 --> 00:28:59,571
When you hear your name,
578
00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:02,574
"Mathews to the SAC's office,"
579
00:29:02,658 --> 00:29:03,867
never good.
580
00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:05,619
Never, ever good.
581
00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:07,704
And everybody knows.
It's like the walk of shame.
582
00:29:07,788 --> 00:29:09,623
To the elevators, whatever.
583
00:29:09,706 --> 00:29:11,041
"Oh, shit, Mathews.
584
00:29:11,124 --> 00:29:12,793
I hope you still
have a paycheck."
585
00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:15,003
'Cause they all know it's bad.
586
00:29:16,129 --> 00:29:19,800
And so I come in
and it's SAC Kneir, CDC,
587
00:29:19,883 --> 00:29:23,053
the Chief Division Council,
Rick Dent, Graham,
588
00:29:23,136 --> 00:29:26,974
in this room about
this size, so small.
589
00:29:28,976 --> 00:29:31,812
And they all, like, turned
to look at me, and I'm like...
590
00:29:32,813 --> 00:29:34,106
And I go, "I'm sorry."
591
00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:35,607
That's all I said.
592
00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:37,025
And Rick goes,
593
00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:40,237
"You know,
I think this might work.
594
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,197
And he's gonna do it."
595
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,701
And that right then was
probably... if I was ever, like,
596
00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:47,536
concerned about,
"I don't know, man.
597
00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:48,996
This might get somewhere..."
you know, whatever,
598
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:50,580
be careful what
you ask for, thing?
599
00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:52,457
Maybe that was
the moment for me,
600
00:29:52,541 --> 00:29:54,835
but it quickly passed
and I was back in.
601
00:29:56,753 --> 00:29:58,380
We didn't have
a lot of undercover agents
602
00:29:58,463 --> 00:29:59,798
in Jacksonville.
603
00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:02,300
You know, you could call
headquarters and say,
604
00:30:02,384 --> 00:30:05,595
"Hey, you know, we need
a undercover agent down here."
605
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,764
"Well, he's not available
for three weeks,"
606
00:30:07,848 --> 00:30:09,307
and, you know.
And so we... we'd just
607
00:30:09,391 --> 00:30:11,018
kind of rolled the dice
and said, "You know what?
608
00:30:11,101 --> 00:30:13,061
Doug is a little bit
of an actor anyway,"
609
00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:15,147
so I guess that's
when my hair turned white.
610
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:16,815
No.
611
00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:19,484
Being an undercover agent,
it's not just something
612
00:30:19,568 --> 00:30:21,778
you raise your hand
and decide to do.
613
00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:24,281
You know, there's
a stringent process, a school,
614
00:30:24,364 --> 00:30:27,784
testing, all these things
that didn't exactly mesh
615
00:30:27,868 --> 00:30:30,787
with Doug's concept
of being undercover.
616
00:30:30,871 --> 00:30:32,748
You know, he wanted to...
617
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:35,208
wanted to get right
up there on stage.
618
00:30:38,712 --> 00:30:40,630
He was not
a certified undercover,
619
00:30:40,714 --> 00:30:42,340
but for a specific case,
620
00:30:42,424 --> 00:30:44,634
you can get what
they call SAC authority
621
00:30:44,718 --> 00:30:48,138
to do undercover work,
and that's what Doug Mathews
622
00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:50,348
did just for that specific case.
623
00:30:50,432 --> 00:30:53,977
My name's Janet Pellicciotti,
and I was a special agent
624
00:30:54,061 --> 00:30:56,146
for the FBI in
the Jacksonville Division.
625
00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:57,731
I was our undercover
coordinator also,
626
00:30:57,814 --> 00:31:01,151
and I tried to get him
to become an undercover agent
627
00:31:01,234 --> 00:31:02,819
because he was just...
he was a natural.
628
00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:05,447
Undercover was like acting,
only...
629
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:06,656
it's real.
630
00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:09,451
You know, you sit there
and there's a real threat,
631
00:31:09,534 --> 00:31:11,495
and somebody could harm you.
632
00:31:11,578 --> 00:31:12,746
They could really harm you.
633
00:31:12,829 --> 00:31:14,206
The Jacksonville Division,
634
00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:16,708
if you talk
to Agent Pellicciotti,
635
00:31:16,792 --> 00:31:20,212
is a small division that
didn't do a lot of this.
636
00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:24,674
Right, so I got
to do all the fun
637
00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:26,843
and not have to go through
all the bullshit.
638
00:31:26,927 --> 00:31:29,763
Yeah, just make it happen.
That's what it was.
639
00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:31,306
"Hey, Mathews,
just make it happen."
640
00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:32,724
And I'm thinking to myself...
641
00:31:34,601 --> 00:31:35,727
And then two is...
642
00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,024
He wanted to be thrown
into the lion's den,
643
00:31:41,108 --> 00:31:44,194
and he wouldn't have gotten
it if the SAC did not feel
644
00:31:44,277 --> 00:31:46,029
he could handle himself.
645
00:31:46,113 --> 00:31:48,865
So they got some
undercovers, you know,
646
00:31:48,949 --> 00:31:50,951
to act as a film crew.
647
00:31:51,952 --> 00:31:55,372
My name is Jan Garvin,
and I was videographer.
648
00:31:55,455 --> 00:31:57,999
When I answered
his call, he said,
649
00:31:58,083 --> 00:31:59,292
"You're gonna love this."
650
00:31:59,376 --> 00:32:00,877
Not, "Hey, Jan, how's it going?
651
00:32:00,961 --> 00:32:02,170
Let's go, you know...
how was the trip?"
652
00:32:02,254 --> 00:32:04,089
You know, it was like,
"You're gonna love this."
653
00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,842
And after he explained
what it was, it was like...
654
00:32:09,052 --> 00:32:10,137
And...
655
00:32:15,809 --> 00:32:18,687
We needed to put together
what appears to be
656
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:20,814
a legitimate production company.
657
00:32:20,897 --> 00:32:23,441
A video person, an audio person,
658
00:32:23,525 --> 00:32:26,570
a director and a...
an interviewer.
659
00:32:26,653 --> 00:32:28,989
I go, "Yeah, I need
one just to act like
660
00:32:29,072 --> 00:32:30,740
"they're the lighting
person or whatever.
661
00:32:30,824 --> 00:32:33,034
"Nobody needs to see
that you're Bureau, right?
662
00:32:33,118 --> 00:32:35,162
"So give me somebody that's
not stupid, 'cause,
663
00:32:35,245 --> 00:32:36,913
you know, we don't
know jack, right?"
664
00:32:36,997 --> 00:32:39,666
In my mind I just thought,
you know, just get on the stage
665
00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:42,961
and everything will be fine;
you'll just roll right through.
666
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:48,758
With any production company
667
00:32:48,842 --> 00:32:50,510
and any good
undercover operation,
668
00:32:50,594 --> 00:32:52,470
you need a good name
and in this case,
669
00:32:52,554 --> 00:32:54,848
we came up with
Shamrock Productions.
670
00:32:57,893 --> 00:33:00,020
Which is good,
but I always liked the byline,
671
00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:02,147
"'Cause you're just lucky."
672
00:33:03,148 --> 00:33:05,025
That was... that was good.
673
00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:12,532
We thought about
having everybody
674
00:33:12,616 --> 00:33:16,745
in this undercover
operation be FBI personnel.
675
00:33:16,828 --> 00:33:18,538
They legitimately tried
to make that happen.
676
00:33:18,622 --> 00:33:23,418
It just... the way that
this scenario had to run,
677
00:33:23,501 --> 00:33:26,796
you needed somebody
inside McDonald's
678
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,049
with that background.
679
00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:31,760
That would be hard to fake.
680
00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:39,809
My name's Amy Murray.
681
00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:43,188
I've been with McDonald's
for 22 years.
682
00:33:45,065 --> 00:33:47,525
The FBI investigation
happened 17 years ago,
683
00:33:47,609 --> 00:33:50,153
and it's been years
since I've talked to anyone,
684
00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:52,948
so, in fact, I don't really
tell the story that much
685
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,532
because, you know,
686
00:33:54,616 --> 00:33:56,534
how do you drop
into conversation that
687
00:33:56,618 --> 00:33:58,787
you're part
of an FBI investigation?
688
00:34:01,748 --> 00:34:05,919
Back in 2001, I was in
the communications department.
689
00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:08,463
I had only been
working on Monopoly and games
690
00:34:08,546 --> 00:34:10,257
for about six months.
691
00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:15,053
My boss's boss called me into
his office and he was like,
692
00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:17,472
"Amy, the FBI has contacted us.
693
00:34:17,556 --> 00:34:22,143
"They've told us that the game
pieces are being stolen
694
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:25,855
"and that the entire game
may be compromised
695
00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:27,566
by a criminal ring."
696
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:31,653
And if you can imagine,
I was completely shocked.
697
00:34:33,113 --> 00:34:36,199
You know, I felt sick
to my stomach.
698
00:34:36,283 --> 00:34:39,995
To break that trust
was just devastating.
699
00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:41,788
How could this possibly happen?
700
00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:44,207
I started thinking back
to all the answers
701
00:34:44,291 --> 00:34:46,710
that I've heard from
Monopoly winners in the past,
702
00:34:46,793 --> 00:34:50,005
and it did seem like
they were almost scripted.
703
00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:53,133
Hindsight's 20/20,
and I started to realize
704
00:34:53,216 --> 00:34:56,052
that it did seem like
there was a pattern.
705
00:34:56,136 --> 00:34:59,139
You know, I used that word,
"pattern" and I think that
706
00:34:59,222 --> 00:35:01,433
was when the FBI really said,
707
00:35:01,516 --> 00:35:04,728
"It would be great
to talk to Amy directly,
708
00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:07,397
since she has so much contact
with the winners."
709
00:35:09,482 --> 00:35:12,569
For a civilian to participate
in an undercover operation
710
00:35:12,652 --> 00:35:15,739
doesn't happen much at all,
for obvious reasons, right?
711
00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:18,575
It's... if something happens,
712
00:35:18,658 --> 00:35:20,827
you want people who are
professionals that are
713
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:23,079
used to being
in situations like that.
714
00:35:23,163 --> 00:35:25,999
I was a little concerned,
because I wanted to make sure
715
00:35:26,082 --> 00:35:29,753
that her safety and security
was first and foremost.
716
00:35:29,836 --> 00:35:33,465
They said, "Rob, don't worry.
She will be safe."
717
00:35:35,675 --> 00:35:38,428
We really didn't know
how far we would have to go
718
00:35:38,511 --> 00:35:40,639
to help the FBI get evidence,
719
00:35:40,722 --> 00:35:43,391
and yes,
there were nerves involved,
720
00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:45,727
and I was nervous.
721
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:47,145
But I was all-in.
722
00:35:47,228 --> 00:35:50,106
You know, I wanted to make
it right as fast as possible.
723
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:54,235
So I would be talking
to the FBI sometimes every day,
724
00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:55,612
sometimes twice a day.
725
00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:58,323
People were intrigued, like,
"What's this special project?"
726
00:35:58,406 --> 00:36:00,533
I just couldn't talk
about this, not to my family,
727
00:36:00,617 --> 00:36:03,244
not to my closest friends,
728
00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:05,080
not even to coworkers.
729
00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:08,124
We told a couple people
730
00:36:08,208 --> 00:36:10,168
in McDonald's and then
our team; that's it.
731
00:36:10,251 --> 00:36:12,545
'Cause we still didn't know,
you gotta remember...
732
00:36:12,629 --> 00:36:15,048
like, this investigation...
we still didn't know
733
00:36:15,131 --> 00:36:17,509
if anybody was infected
734
00:36:17,592 --> 00:36:19,803
through corporate,
right, or who.
735
00:36:19,886 --> 00:36:22,639
So we set up a time for
736
00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:25,684
Shamrock Productions to go up
737
00:36:25,767 --> 00:36:28,228
and visit Mr. Hoover.
738
00:36:29,396 --> 00:36:32,357
He had already been
in contact with Amy,
739
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,902
and he was very amenable
to us coming by to film
740
00:36:35,985 --> 00:36:38,697
this commercial that
we were putting together.
741
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:41,282
I'll never forget
showing up at an airport,
742
00:36:41,366 --> 00:36:44,661
and a white van pulled up
with all of the FBI agents
743
00:36:44,744 --> 00:36:47,455
and, you know, they're like,
you know, "Hi, Amy."
744
00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:49,124
And I was introduced
to all of them.
745
00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:50,709
You know, I really
had to talk to Doug about,
746
00:36:50,792 --> 00:36:52,460
"This is what
a producer would do;
747
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:54,170
this is what
the cameraman would do."
748
00:36:54,254 --> 00:36:56,131
And I was just playing myself.
749
00:36:57,674 --> 00:36:59,551
So the first time
we're going out there,
750
00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:01,177
I think I had,
like, a golf shirt on.
751
00:37:01,261 --> 00:37:03,346
I looked like maybe
I'd played nine holes
752
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:04,931
or something like that.
753
00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:06,975
That's what Amy told me
what a director looks like...
754
00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:09,561
looks like somebody that's
just come off the golf course.
755
00:37:09,644 --> 00:37:11,938
So I'm excited, right?
756
00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:15,692
But I have a lot
of apprehension as well.
757
00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:16,901
It's the first one.
758
00:37:16,985 --> 00:37:18,820
You want it to be seamless,
759
00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:21,197
and you don't know
what to expect.
760
00:37:21,281 --> 00:37:24,159
As an agent, you know,
you wanna carry a gun
761
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:26,202
and wear a bulletproof vest.
762
00:37:26,286 --> 00:37:28,580
But in a situation like this,
an undercover operation,
763
00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:30,206
that may be too much risk.
764
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:32,792
You can wear an ankle holster
and then, you know,
765
00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:34,085
and then you sit down
in a chair,
766
00:37:34,169 --> 00:37:35,837
and somebody sees it, so...
767
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,591
You had that little extra
antenna going up to make sure
768
00:37:39,674 --> 00:37:42,635
you don't say anything
or do anything
769
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,138
that would trigger
their suspect to look at you
770
00:37:45,221 --> 00:37:47,682
crossways and go, "Oh, hmm..."
771
00:37:48,850 --> 00:37:50,477
I had butterflies in my stomach.
772
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,855
I was nervous about not
wrecking the investigation.
773
00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:56,399
You know, I really wanted
to make sure I did a good job,
774
00:37:56,483 --> 00:37:58,943
that I wasn't
causing any suspicion.
775
00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:02,155
It's an adrenaline that
happens through your system.
776
00:38:02,238 --> 00:38:05,283
You know, you feel
fully awake and alive.
777
00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:08,536
She was very nervous,
and I'm like,
778
00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:10,121
"You talk to these people
all the time, right?"
779
00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:11,790
"Well, yeah,
but not like this."
780
00:38:11,873 --> 00:38:13,541
And I go,
"There's not like this.
781
00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:16,252
"You don't know anything
about our investigation.
782
00:38:16,336 --> 00:38:18,254
They don't either,
so forget about that."
783
00:38:18,338 --> 00:38:19,589
She's laughing, like,
784
00:38:19,672 --> 00:38:21,508
"How am I supposed to forget
about that?", right?
785
00:38:21,591 --> 00:38:23,092
And I said, "You got
to forget about that
786
00:38:23,176 --> 00:38:25,637
and just do what
you normally do."
787
00:38:26,554 --> 00:38:28,431
"We're very close to the exit.
We know where it is.
788
00:38:28,515 --> 00:38:30,767
"Just stay as close as you can
789
00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:32,852
'cause I don't know
what to expect."
790
00:38:32,936 --> 00:38:36,105
Any civilian that you bring
in, you're gonna tell them,
791
00:38:36,189 --> 00:38:39,192
"We have a team.
There's always a team outside.
792
00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:44,906
"If anything happens,
they'll be there immediately
793
00:38:44,989 --> 00:38:47,450
to make sure
you're safe and secure."
794
00:38:47,534 --> 00:38:50,286
We have distress calls,
things like that.
795
00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:53,706
So if the undercover agent
says a certain word, you know,
796
00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:56,209
"I feel like
a terrible flu is coming on,"
797
00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:58,253
something's really gone wrong;
we got a problem.
798
00:38:59,921 --> 00:39:03,258
And so they went to his home.
799
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,969
They came in...
800
00:39:06,052 --> 00:39:09,472
and so you have the FBI agents,
unbeknownst to Mr. Hoover,
801
00:39:09,556 --> 00:39:11,641
with the cameras
on their shoulder.
802
00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:14,060
If we were set up to record
803
00:39:14,143 --> 00:39:17,480
pretty much anything, we would
hit the record button.
804
00:39:17,564 --> 00:39:19,440
You never know
what you're gonna capture.
805
00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:22,318
Always gold when
they don't know it.
806
00:39:22,402 --> 00:39:25,196
The greatest thing
in the world about all this
807
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,489
is what?
808
00:39:26,573 --> 00:39:28,199
We had a camera rolling.
809
00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:36,499
What was that?
810
00:39:36,583 --> 00:39:37,667
You think you could take that
811
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:38,960
to your local bank to cash?
812
00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:41,337
- I doubt it.
- I doubt it.
813
00:39:41,421 --> 00:39:42,881
We'll do this at the end.
814
00:39:42,964 --> 00:39:45,717
Amy, she, you know,
worked her McDonald's magic,
815
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,888
and she had all this
confetti popper stuff
816
00:39:49,971 --> 00:39:51,806
and the big check.
817
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:53,850
We never know whenever
we get a call from Amy
818
00:39:53,933 --> 00:39:56,227
sort of where we're gonna...
it's always good to find out
819
00:39:56,311 --> 00:39:58,980
where she always takes us
to a different area.
820
00:39:59,063 --> 00:40:00,356
A good surprise.
821
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,734
Yeah, that's definitely
childproof.
822
00:40:02,817 --> 00:40:04,819
I mean, it's big check.
823
00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:07,447
I think it was taller
than her, actually.
824
00:40:08,615 --> 00:40:11,117
Everything had
to seem very natural.
825
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,120
It had to seem like we had
done this a million times.
826
00:40:14,203 --> 00:40:16,372
We made sure that
I always called Doug, "Doug"
827
00:40:16,456 --> 00:40:18,041
and not "Agent Mathews,"
828
00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:19,626
because it would have
been really bad if suddenly
829
00:40:19,709 --> 00:40:22,128
I was like, "Uh, Agent Mathews,
can you go do this?"
830
00:40:22,211 --> 00:40:25,506
Amy was really nervous,
the whole time.
831
00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:28,051
So... which was good.
832
00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:29,552
It was healthy to be that way,
833
00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:32,055
'cause I told her I was too,
and I wasn't... you know,
834
00:40:32,138 --> 00:40:33,056
I wasn't lying to her.
835
00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:35,224
She's used to this; I'm not.
836
00:40:35,308 --> 00:40:37,393
Even though I said,
"Oh, I got this," right?
837
00:40:37,477 --> 00:40:41,022
She had no idea that
I had never done this before,
838
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:42,065
but I loved it.
839
00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,108
- There's Mr. Monopoly.
- There he is!
840
00:40:44,192 --> 00:40:46,444
- All right.
- It's gotta be sinking in now.
841
00:40:46,527 --> 00:40:48,237
Now it's official,
Ronald McDonald,
842
00:40:48,321 --> 00:40:50,531
the official signature.
843
00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:55,203
Doug Mathews could talk to
a wall and get it to respond.
844
00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:57,705
You know, he's got that
little bit of a Southern drawl
845
00:40:57,789 --> 00:40:59,374
and everybody sort of likes him.
846
00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:01,918
He's the,
"Oh, gosh darn, you won."
847
00:41:02,669 --> 00:41:04,295
There was no risk
that somebody's gonna think,
848
00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:06,005
"Well, this guy is an FBI agent,
849
00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:07,757
and this is
an undercover operation."
850
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,926
I mean, nobody...
851
00:41:10,009 --> 00:41:13,699
no FBI agent laughs
as much as this guy does.
852
00:41:13,724 --> 00:41:16,288
I go, "Wow, this
really looks like there's...
853
00:41:16,313 --> 00:41:17,830
it's had
a woman's touch here."
854
00:41:17,855 --> 00:41:20,937
I mean, it was all
this plaid... just, this shit.
855
00:41:22,566 --> 00:41:25,319
Which is probably why I did it.
856
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,860
And, you know, I said all
kinds of stuff, I was...
857
00:41:27,944 --> 00:41:30,989
again, I was trying to,
you know, move this out,
858
00:41:31,072 --> 00:41:32,615
make everybody seem
real comfortable
859
00:41:32,699 --> 00:41:35,404
with uncomfortable things,
which is what I'm good at.
860
00:41:38,454 --> 00:41:40,456
Tell us the story
about how you won
861
00:41:40,540 --> 00:41:42,125
at the Monopoly game,
everything like that,
862
00:41:42,208 --> 00:41:43,167
in your own words.
863
00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:44,293
Okay.
864
00:41:44,377 --> 00:41:46,129
Um...
865
00:41:46,212 --> 00:41:47,588
day started out pretty peaceful.
866
00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:48,589
It was a day off,
867
00:41:48,673 --> 00:41:50,842
and I went to the beach
for a while.
868
00:41:50,925 --> 00:41:54,345
I ended up actually
falling asleep at the beach.
869
00:41:54,429 --> 00:41:57,390
And when I woke up,
the wind had come up
870
00:41:57,473 --> 00:41:59,392
and I was covered with sand...
871
00:41:59,475 --> 00:42:00,977
not a lot,
but a little bit of sand...
872
00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:03,980
and I picked up my belongings,
and I headed down
873
00:42:04,063 --> 00:42:06,315
to the water there
to kind of wash my legs off
874
00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,485
with the sand,
and I was a little klutzy.
875
00:42:09,569 --> 00:42:11,904
The "People" magazine...
876
00:42:11,988 --> 00:42:14,782
and my towel
fell out of the backpack,
877
00:42:14,866 --> 00:42:17,618
fell into the water,
and got all wet.
878
00:42:17,702 --> 00:42:20,663
I ended up, uh...
throwing those away
879
00:42:20,747 --> 00:42:22,206
on the way to the car,
880
00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:24,167
and then after...
881
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:26,210
I was coming home,
I decided to stop and get
882
00:42:26,294 --> 00:42:28,337
provisions for dinner.
883
00:42:28,421 --> 00:42:31,716
So I stopped
at the McQuade's Supermarket
884
00:42:31,799 --> 00:42:33,509
and picked up a few things,
885
00:42:33,593 --> 00:42:35,928
and I had never got a chance
to read the magazine.
886
00:42:36,012 --> 00:42:37,805
And they... there
it was right there
887
00:42:37,889 --> 00:42:39,891
at the checkout stand,
so I bought one.
888
00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:41,893
And when I got home,
I was leafing through it,
889
00:42:41,976 --> 00:42:45,772
and we had
the McDonald's Monopoly game,
890
00:42:45,855 --> 00:42:48,608
and it had instant
prize winners on it...
891
00:42:48,691 --> 00:42:50,902
or they had the quick pick,
whatever you call 'em.
892
00:42:50,985 --> 00:42:52,612
I don't know
what they're called.
893
00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:55,531
Uh, and the first one
I peeled off, I believe,
894
00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:56,824
was Pennsylvania Avenue.
895
00:42:56,908 --> 00:42:58,576
And the second one I peeled off
896
00:42:58,659 --> 00:43:00,328
was a million-dollar
instant prize winner,
897
00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:03,206
and it was like,
"Wow, is this for real?"
898
00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:06,292
And then I, uh...
followed the directions
899
00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:10,129
and made the calls and talked
to the people, and, uh...
900
00:43:10,213 --> 00:43:11,506
it was for real.
901
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,299
Amy's just used
to getting the story.
902
00:43:13,382 --> 00:43:14,884
But for me,
I'm putting legs to that.
903
00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:19,055
And he was mentioning some
grocery story, and so I go,
904
00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:21,724
"Which one?
Is it right here?"
905
00:43:21,808 --> 00:43:23,184
"Hey, can you take us there?"
906
00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:24,602
He goes, "Sure."
907
00:43:24,685 --> 00:43:26,437
You know, he's feeding
off the energy part.
908
00:43:26,521 --> 00:43:28,397
No, I wasn't about to stop that.
909
00:43:28,481 --> 00:43:30,942
That was great.
It's a field trip, right?
910
00:43:32,985 --> 00:43:35,029
I'm getting calls,
"The fuck are you doing?"
911
00:43:35,113 --> 00:43:37,198
"I mean, why are you... what?"
This is, like,
912
00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:40,243
"Are you adlibbing?"
And I'd go, "Hey, Jan."
913
00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:41,619
My camera guy, right?
914
00:43:41,702 --> 00:43:42,578
Can you get this?"
915
00:43:42,662 --> 00:43:44,080
"Yeah, I can get it."
916
00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:50,378
Doug struck me as one
of the new breed of agents
917
00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:53,297
who thinks outside
the box, if you will.
918
00:43:53,381 --> 00:43:56,884
But he was gung-ho
from the get-go.
919
00:43:58,594 --> 00:44:01,639
This is where I got
the, uh, "People" magazine.
920
00:44:01,722 --> 00:44:04,934
And inside we had
the Monopoly game
921
00:44:05,017 --> 00:44:07,228
with the instant
$1 million winner,
922
00:44:07,311 --> 00:44:11,065
and it was great;
it's fantastic!
923
00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:12,483
- Great!
- Got it, okay.
924
00:44:12,567 --> 00:44:15,778
He's telling us how he won
the prize, all the BS.
925
00:44:15,862 --> 00:44:17,947
His was a magazine-type
thing which, at the time
926
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:19,824
I didn't even know.
I'm looking over, I go,
927
00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:22,451
"Really? I thought you
got this off the packages."
928
00:44:22,535 --> 00:44:24,537
And Amy's like,
"Did you read any of that
929
00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:25,705
shit I sent you?"
930
00:44:25,788 --> 00:44:28,541
Right, and I go,
"Of course I did."
931
00:44:28,624 --> 00:44:30,293
Which I may have glossed over.
932
00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:32,712
So I go, "Hey, what'd
you do with the money?"
933
00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:34,463
Why?
Because I want to go
934
00:44:34,547 --> 00:44:35,965
seize that stuff, right?
935
00:44:36,048 --> 00:44:38,217
And he's like,
"I'm buying a boat."
936
00:44:38,301 --> 00:44:39,802
And so I go, "What name
937
00:44:39,886 --> 00:44:41,345
would you have on
the back of your boat?"
938
00:44:41,429 --> 00:44:44,849
And he was like,
"Ruthless Scoundrel."
939
00:44:44,932 --> 00:44:46,017
One, two, three!
940
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:47,810
Thanks, McDonald's.
941
00:44:47,894 --> 00:44:50,563
Hey!
942
00:44:51,647 --> 00:44:53,983
So I'm reenacting
that, right, and I go,
943
00:44:54,066 --> 00:44:56,277
"So, Michael,
you were on the beach?"
944
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,446
"Yes, and it's right here.
It's this beach."
945
00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:00,990
And I go, "Really?
Take us to it."
946
00:45:01,073 --> 00:45:03,993
And I didn't care what that
meant to my camera guy, right?
947
00:45:04,076 --> 00:45:06,579
He's like, "Are you... fuck,
are you kidding me?
948
00:45:06,662 --> 00:45:08,915
I gotta... the damn beach?"
949
00:45:08,998 --> 00:45:10,833
There's always somebody
950
00:45:10,917 --> 00:45:13,669
that could respond
tactically, if needed.
951
00:45:13,753 --> 00:45:16,923
But if something went south,
952
00:45:17,006 --> 00:45:19,258
between the time
something went south
953
00:45:19,342 --> 00:45:20,968
and the time they got there...
954
00:45:26,182 --> 00:45:28,768
Don't do anything stupid.
955
00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:32,480
Doug, you know,
he was a professional,
956
00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:34,273
but he also did
like to have fun.
957
00:45:34,357 --> 00:45:36,525
So he loved to tease me
958
00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:38,319
and kept me on my toes.
959
00:45:38,402 --> 00:45:40,196
This is what
makes my fun meter go.
960
00:45:40,279 --> 00:45:42,281
Amy's back there going,
"Look at these shoes I have,"
961
00:45:42,365 --> 00:45:43,991
and I'm not looking
at shit like that.
962
00:45:44,075 --> 00:45:45,701
I mean, "Take your high heels...
why are you wearing
963
00:45:45,785 --> 00:45:46,661
high heels anyway?"
964
00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:47,745
And she's like, "Are you..."
965
00:45:47,828 --> 00:45:50,122
you know, she was
getting on to me about,
966
00:45:50,206 --> 00:45:51,999
"Hey, can you plan
this better?"
967
00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:53,084
But I didn't know.
968
00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:54,460
Can you get enough sound
969
00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:55,962
if he tells
the story one more time?
970
00:45:56,045 --> 00:45:57,421
You need it?
971
00:45:57,505 --> 00:45:59,131
- We could try it.
- Okay.
972
00:45:59,215 --> 00:46:01,801
Anybody noticing you yet?
973
00:46:01,884 --> 00:46:03,219
Not really.
974
00:46:03,302 --> 00:46:04,971
Good.
975
00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:09,141
When Doug's at the house,
976
00:46:09,225 --> 00:46:11,018
it was a controlled environment.
977
00:46:11,102 --> 00:46:12,645
When you're out
in the real world,
978
00:46:12,728 --> 00:46:14,230
there's nothing controlled.
979
00:46:14,313 --> 00:46:16,023
You're always a little worried
980
00:46:16,107 --> 00:46:19,860
the operation and the case
could be compromised.
981
00:46:19,944 --> 00:46:22,947
Uh, this is where I lost
my "People" magazine.
982
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:25,116
I'm glad that after
the beach I stopped
983
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,243
and picked up another one
because when I did,
984
00:46:27,326 --> 00:46:29,996
I found the McDonald's
Monopoly Game,
985
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,623
$1 million instant prize winner.
986
00:46:32,707 --> 00:46:34,500
- Great.
- Okay, good.
987
00:46:34,583 --> 00:46:37,086
Obviously, you know,
this was Doug's very first
988
00:46:37,169 --> 00:46:40,589
undercover, and so you'd
wanna try to keep him
989
00:46:40,673 --> 00:46:44,260
under control, keep him sedated,
990
00:46:44,343 --> 00:46:45,428
so to speak.
991
00:46:45,511 --> 00:46:47,138
They don't make it easy.
992
00:46:47,221 --> 00:46:49,265
So I'm like, "Man, I got plenty.
993
00:46:49,348 --> 00:46:50,433
I got enough."
994
00:46:50,516 --> 00:46:52,310
Can I do a couple
of artsy things,
995
00:46:52,393 --> 00:46:54,854
okay, real quick?
996
00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:57,148
Hey.
997
00:46:57,231 --> 00:46:59,108
You know, he'd stand
there smiling, and you know,
998
00:46:59,191 --> 00:47:00,609
you're doing
all this artsy stuff,
999
00:47:00,693 --> 00:47:04,905
and then some kid ran up
and grabbed the check.
1000
00:47:04,989 --> 00:47:06,991
To run away with it.
1001
00:47:07,742 --> 00:47:10,328
Like, I'm gonna let
this evidence just walk?
1002
00:47:10,411 --> 00:47:11,287
No way.
1003
00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,205
And I'm trucking
down the beach...
1004
00:47:13,289 --> 00:47:16,625
And it's like,
"Dude, it's not real."
1005
00:47:16,709 --> 00:47:17,626
It was bad news.
1006
00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:20,087
That's not a good problem
to have,
1007
00:47:20,171 --> 00:47:21,297
being an undercover agent.
1008
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:23,299
And this guy is hammered.
1009
00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:24,592
Fortunately, he's running, like,
1010
00:47:24,675 --> 00:47:27,845
in a zigzag,
so it's easy to catch.
1011
00:47:27,928 --> 00:47:30,639
This kid, he was, like,
full of sand in his mouth
1012
00:47:30,723 --> 00:47:33,100
and crap and I'm like,
"Dude..."
1013
00:47:34,727 --> 00:47:36,645
"I don't know what I'm gonna
do with all this sand."
1014
00:47:36,729 --> 00:47:40,316
And he's like,
"Man, I just saw, like,
1015
00:47:40,399 --> 00:47:43,819
"all those zeros and thought...
1016
00:47:43,903 --> 00:47:45,154
I'm just gonna go take it."
1017
00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:46,947
And I can't even remember
where he wandered off,
1018
00:47:47,031 --> 00:47:49,742
but he was out of there;
we never saw him again.
1019
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:53,287
Sometimes on a case,
1020
00:47:53,371 --> 00:47:55,873
being lucky is better
than being good.
1021
00:47:55,956 --> 00:47:59,668
No Asics, no nothing,
and we still caught that dude,
1022
00:47:59,752 --> 00:48:02,004
of course, he was hammered,
and we were not.
1023
00:48:02,088 --> 00:48:04,298
And we did get the check back.
1024
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,643
It worked great.
Amy was phenomenal.
1025
00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:20,106
And I'm like, "Man,
undercover is awesome."
1026
00:48:24,568 --> 00:48:27,446
Turned out it really
tickled our wire up.
1027
00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:30,324
Michael Hoover
would be on the phones
1028
00:48:30,408 --> 00:48:31,617
which is great,
because then we were listening
1029
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:32,910
to that and recording it.
1030
00:48:32,993 --> 00:48:34,703
You know, again,
it got him comfortable.
1031
00:48:34,787 --> 00:48:36,831
It actually worked.
You know, all that works.
1032
00:48:41,168 --> 00:48:43,379
At that time,
I was here in Jacksonville
1033
00:48:43,462 --> 00:48:45,714
in the... what we call wire room.
1034
00:48:45,798 --> 00:48:48,592
We were listening in
for what we hoped to be
1035
00:48:48,676 --> 00:48:52,555
a telephone call
to this Uncle Jerry.
1036
00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:55,599
And immediately
there's a phone call
1037
00:48:55,683 --> 00:48:58,811
by Mr. Hoover to Mr. Glomb
down in South Florida.
1038
00:49:00,813 --> 00:49:02,898
We were up on
three or four phones.
1039
00:49:02,982 --> 00:49:05,818
One was this guy, Andrew Glomb.
1040
00:49:05,901 --> 00:49:09,905
I mean, Andrew Glomb was
the guy with a checkered past.
1041
00:49:09,989 --> 00:49:12,283
He had previously convicted
for some drug charges
1042
00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:14,577
on the federal side
with the DEA.
1043
00:49:15,744 --> 00:49:17,496
He had been in a drug
trafficking thing.
1044
00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:20,332
He was a fugitive for a while,
eventually got arrested,
1045
00:49:20,416 --> 00:49:23,252
and he did some time.
1046
00:49:23,335 --> 00:49:26,755
And so, Mr. Hoover
had called Mr. Glomb.
1047
00:49:26,839 --> 00:49:29,175
- Ring, ring.
- Ring, ring.
1048
00:49:29,258 --> 00:49:31,886
"Hello?"
"Yeah, Andy."
1049
00:49:31,969 --> 00:49:33,345
That's Andy Glomb.
1050
00:49:33,429 --> 00:49:36,307
"Andy, they were here.
They believed everything.
1051
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:38,934
"Everything I told them
about the winning the ticket
1052
00:49:39,018 --> 00:49:41,103
on that 'People' magazine."
1053
00:49:41,187 --> 00:49:43,939
"And I was telling them,
'I did this, and I did that.'"
1054
00:49:44,023 --> 00:49:47,151
And at the very same time,
I'm on my cell phone
1055
00:49:47,234 --> 00:49:49,278
talking to Doug Mathews
1056
00:49:49,361 --> 00:49:51,405
and telling him,
"Listen to this."
1057
00:49:52,865 --> 00:49:55,451
The feeling from him
on the phone call was,
1058
00:49:55,534 --> 00:49:57,620
"Man, I got them snowed,
they bel..."
1059
00:49:57,703 --> 00:49:58,954
you know, it was that...
it was that...
1060
00:49:59,038 --> 00:50:00,623
I mean, it was perfect.
1061
00:50:00,706 --> 00:50:02,750
It's exactly what you're after.
1062
00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:04,627
He's talking, "Man,
you're not gonna believe it.
1063
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:07,630
"This director asked
about the name of my boat
1064
00:50:07,713 --> 00:50:09,798
and I said,
'Ruthless Scoundrel.'"
1065
00:50:09,882 --> 00:50:11,467
And they're just laughing
on the phone,
1066
00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:14,929
how much... how funny that was
to them because they knew
1067
00:50:15,012 --> 00:50:18,682
they had lied and had stolen
this money from McDonald's.
1068
00:50:18,766 --> 00:50:22,520
In that call, effectively
what he's doing is confirming
1069
00:50:22,603 --> 00:50:26,649
beyond any doubt that,
you know, he didn't win it.
1070
00:50:29,568 --> 00:50:31,820
It just doesn't get
any better than that.
1071
00:50:31,904 --> 00:50:33,489
It's like high fives.
1072
00:50:33,572 --> 00:50:36,450
That was why you get up
on these wiretaps.
1073
00:50:36,534 --> 00:50:38,410
So we're hearing
how they did it.
1074
00:50:41,747 --> 00:50:45,334
At the time, we didn't
know how big this was.
1075
00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:47,753
We knew of some,
but we didn't know it all.
1076
00:50:47,836 --> 00:50:51,882
It was amazing to me
how little we did know.
1077
00:51:06,272 --> 00:51:10,067
The spider web of all...
like, we had this Uncle Jerry.
1078
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:12,653
Everything was
very general, nebulous.
1079
00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:15,030
We still didn't know,
you got to remember, like,
1080
00:51:15,114 --> 00:51:18,158
we still didn't know
who this Jerry person was,
1081
00:51:18,242 --> 00:51:19,868
if there even was a Jerry.
1082
00:51:19,952 --> 00:51:23,038
So all of the newer agents,
we were on the wiretaps
1083
00:51:23,122 --> 00:51:26,667
to find out more about
the depths of this scheme.
1084
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:28,627
Back then I was a new agent,
1085
00:51:28,711 --> 00:51:31,505
and my first assignment
when I was brought in
1086
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:33,757
was to work the wire.
1087
00:51:34,925 --> 00:51:38,178
The Title III has to be
monitored full-time, 24/7.
1088
00:51:38,262 --> 00:51:39,888
You hear the phone call,
you grab your headset,
1089
00:51:39,972 --> 00:51:42,474
you put it on,
you listen to the call.
1090
00:51:42,558 --> 00:51:44,268
We're listening in the wire room
1091
00:51:44,351 --> 00:51:46,854
and I'm hearing, you know,
the name Uncle Jerry
1092
00:51:46,937 --> 00:51:49,189
thrown around on the phone.
1093
00:51:49,273 --> 00:51:50,858
"Uncle Jerry, Uncle Jerry.
1094
00:51:50,941 --> 00:51:54,737
You don't wanna make
Uncle Jerry upset."
1095
00:51:54,820 --> 00:51:57,740
Well, I do remember
clearly feeling like
1096
00:51:57,823 --> 00:52:00,534
I was in New York and I was
listening to a mobster
1097
00:52:00,618 --> 00:52:02,911
talking about running
his mafia empire,
1098
00:52:02,995 --> 00:52:06,457
some mafia don, 'cause that's
kind of how this guy came off.
1099
00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,919
So we had to find Uncle Jerry.
1100
00:52:11,003 --> 00:52:13,130
I mean, how do you do that?
1101
00:52:19,136 --> 00:52:21,263
We did an analysis
1102
00:52:21,347 --> 00:52:24,850
of phone records
from past winners.
1103
00:52:24,933 --> 00:52:27,770
You look for that common number.
1104
00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:29,897
We knew when they won
the prizes, what year,
1105
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:33,776
and we could probably cord it
off to a month, so I think...
1106
00:52:33,859 --> 00:52:36,612
I think we backed up two
and went forward two.
1107
00:52:39,198 --> 00:52:43,118
And we went and pulled
the phone numbers coming in
1108
00:52:43,202 --> 00:52:46,372
and going out
for this period of time.
1109
00:52:49,958 --> 00:52:52,461
Lo and behold,
each of their phone numbers
1110
00:52:52,544 --> 00:52:54,630
were calling common numbers.
1111
00:52:54,713 --> 00:52:59,885
We saw the activity
heavy coming in right before
1112
00:52:59,968 --> 00:53:01,970
the prize was awarded
or claimed,
1113
00:53:02,054 --> 00:53:04,556
and then heavy right after it,
and then nothing.
1114
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,183
And then none
of them were related;
1115
00:53:06,266 --> 00:53:08,143
they didn't know each other.
1116
00:53:08,227 --> 00:53:10,813
All were hitting that number.
1117
00:53:17,736 --> 00:53:21,657
All these phone calls
include one person...
1118
00:53:23,325 --> 00:53:25,619
Jerome Jacobson.
1119
00:53:25,703 --> 00:53:27,705
Also known as...
1120
00:53:27,788 --> 00:53:29,164
Jerry Jacobson.
1121
00:53:29,248 --> 00:53:33,585
The absolute head of security
for Simon Marketing.
1122
00:54:31,477 --> 00:54:33,896
There was a wide net
of individuals who were willing
1123
00:54:33,979 --> 00:54:36,064
to participate
in this fraud scheme.
1124
00:54:37,232 --> 00:54:40,110
It got really big, really fast.
1125
00:54:40,652 --> 00:54:42,779
There was one
nagging question mark...
1126
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:45,741
Who is Uncle Jerry?
1127
00:54:47,201 --> 00:54:49,286
We were racking up
incredible evidence
1128
00:54:49,369 --> 00:54:50,746
and discovering new people.
1129
00:54:51,788 --> 00:54:54,833
We found out that there was
another Jerry involved in this.
1130
00:54:55,125 --> 00:54:57,127
He took this little,
small operation,
1131
00:54:57,211 --> 00:54:58,712
and made it huge.
1132
00:54:59,838 --> 00:55:02,841
As soon as I got that check,
things changed.
1133
00:55:03,884 --> 00:55:06,094
"You gonna ride with us,
and you gonna do what we say.
1134
00:55:06,303 --> 00:55:07,429
And you gonna do it right."
1135
00:55:07,513 --> 00:55:10,849
I'm not a dumb person,
but I did a dumb thing.
1136
00:55:11,183 --> 00:55:13,936
No one can stand in front
of a mirror and say
1137
00:55:14,019 --> 00:55:15,646
they've never done something...
1138
00:55:16,188 --> 00:55:18,065
that they wish
they could take back.
1139
00:55:18,690 --> 00:55:21,193
I'mma lay all my cards on
the table and tell everything.
1140
00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:25,405
We were just building
the puzzle from all the pieces.
1141
00:55:26,657 --> 00:55:28,116
We started finding
other middle-men.
1142
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,578
The money got too big to not
take a bigger piece of that pie.
1143
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,040
It could've been a possible hit
to get him out of the situation.
1144
00:55:35,707 --> 00:55:37,918
A little teardrop
came down my face.
1145
00:55:38,001 --> 00:55:40,546
I thought, "I'm never
gonna get out of this."
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