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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,678 --> 00:00:13,180 I want some! 2 00:00:13,263 --> 00:00:15,349 It's the Monopoly game, only at McDonald's! 3 00:00:15,432 --> 00:00:18,936 With over 50 million prizes, it's supersized excitement... 4 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:20,812 - Monopoly. - Do not pass "Go." 5 00:00:20,896 --> 00:00:22,523 Go directly to McDonald's. 6 00:00:22,606 --> 00:00:25,192 If you were around back in the '90s... 7 00:00:25,275 --> 00:00:27,903 Now at McDonald's, Monopoly is more than a game! 8 00:00:27,986 --> 00:00:29,154 You can play it... 9 00:00:29,238 --> 00:00:30,822 You heard it everywhere. 10 00:00:30,906 --> 00:00:33,575 The game Monopoly is back at McDonald's, 11 00:00:33,659 --> 00:00:35,661 bigger and better than ever. 12 00:00:35,744 --> 00:00:38,664 This year, there's more prizes than ever. 13 00:00:38,747 --> 00:00:43,043 McDonald's ran the Monopoly game for years. 14 00:00:43,126 --> 00:00:44,670 Hey, collect the right game pieces... 15 00:00:44,753 --> 00:00:47,172 And win $2 million. 16 00:00:47,256 --> 00:00:48,799 But no one... 17 00:00:48,882 --> 00:00:54,471 knew the truth about the game being played. 18 00:00:54,555 --> 00:00:55,764 No one. 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,521 People everywhere are winning big! 20 00:01:02,604 --> 00:01:04,481 ♪ I've been caught stealing ♪ 21 00:01:04,564 --> 00:01:07,359 ♪ Once, when I was five ♪ 22 00:01:07,442 --> 00:01:09,795 ♪ I enjoy stealing ♪ 23 00:01:09,820 --> 00:01:11,954 The McDonald's prizes could be cars... 24 00:01:11,979 --> 00:01:15,822 boats... $100,000... up to the $1,000,000. 25 00:01:16,530 --> 00:01:18,841 ♪ When I want something, man ♪ 26 00:01:18,866 --> 00:01:20,324 ♪ I don't wanna pay for it ♪ 27 00:01:20,349 --> 00:01:22,708 But from 1989 to 2001... 28 00:01:22,791 --> 00:01:25,043 I won a Dodge Viper! 29 00:01:25,127 --> 00:01:27,421 There were almost no legitimate winners 30 00:01:27,504 --> 00:01:30,132 of the high value game pieces 31 00:01:30,215 --> 00:01:33,218 in the McDonald's Monopoly game. 32 00:01:33,302 --> 00:01:37,817 I mean, how crazy bullshit is that? 33 00:01:39,597 --> 00:01:43,895 ♪ It's mine ♪ 34 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:57,594 Jacksonville FBI had a little bit of a reputation 35 00:02:57,677 --> 00:03:01,807 of being a Sleepy Hollow retirement office. 36 00:03:01,890 --> 00:03:05,519 There was a slower attitude there. 37 00:03:05,602 --> 00:03:06,937 Very undersized. 38 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:08,105 You know, a fraction 39 00:03:08,188 --> 00:03:10,941 of a Miami or an Atlanta or something like that, 40 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:13,235 spread, you know... spread very thin. 41 00:03:20,909 --> 00:03:23,912 At the time, in 2001, I supervised a squad 42 00:03:23,995 --> 00:03:27,499 of approximately 12 agents charged with investigating 43 00:03:27,582 --> 00:03:29,835 white-collar crime, bank fraud, 44 00:03:29,918 --> 00:03:32,712 healthcare fraud, public corruption. 45 00:03:32,796 --> 00:03:34,381 Even before I got there, 46 00:03:34,464 --> 00:03:37,175 I kept hearing about this legendary guy, Rick Dent, 47 00:03:37,259 --> 00:03:40,721 mid-career senior agent and his partner Doug Mathews, 48 00:03:40,804 --> 00:03:43,181 a newly assigned agent to the division. 49 00:03:43,265 --> 00:03:45,517 I'm Special Agent Mathews. 50 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,686 When you pull Jacksonville as an office you're going to, 51 00:03:47,769 --> 00:03:50,355 I know what I heard was, "Good luck with that." 52 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:53,525 For big cases, man, you are... you're like duct-taping stuff 53 00:03:53,608 --> 00:03:56,361 together just 'cause you wanna make it happen. 54 00:03:56,445 --> 00:03:59,030 That's the type of division you were in. 55 00:03:59,781 --> 00:04:03,577 I was lucky to link up with Rick Dent early on 56 00:04:03,660 --> 00:04:07,456 and have him as the old guard, you know, my training agent. 57 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:11,626 He's a mathematician and has about as much personality 58 00:04:11,710 --> 00:04:14,171 as this piece of wood right here. 59 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:15,922 Very matter of fact. 60 00:04:16,006 --> 00:04:17,924 And so he and I were kind of opposites there. 61 00:04:18,008 --> 00:04:20,886 You know, I'm always looking for another fun ride, right? 62 00:04:20,969 --> 00:04:22,554 If you guys get to Rick Dent, 63 00:04:22,637 --> 00:04:24,181 I'm telling you he's gonna be... 64 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:25,515 "Yes." 65 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:27,309 "No." 66 00:04:27,392 --> 00:04:28,769 "Don't recall." 67 00:04:40,781 --> 00:04:43,325 The priority for the FBI 68 00:04:43,408 --> 00:04:46,578 at that particular juncture was healthcare fraud. 69 00:04:48,497 --> 00:04:52,417 We're working a one- to three-year type case. 70 00:04:52,501 --> 00:04:54,085 That's a long time. 71 00:04:54,169 --> 00:04:56,421 Sometimes I have that ADD thing 72 00:04:56,505 --> 00:04:58,757 of the shinier object or whatever. 73 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:02,010 So I see this note in the corner part of his desk, 74 00:05:02,093 --> 00:05:06,264 and all I saw was "McDonald's Monopoly Fraud?" 75 00:05:06,348 --> 00:05:07,766 with a question mark. 76 00:05:07,849 --> 00:05:10,393 And I go, "What is that?" 77 00:05:12,062 --> 00:05:13,188 'Cause I'm bored to death 78 00:05:13,271 --> 00:05:14,981 of this healthcare garbage, right? 79 00:05:15,065 --> 00:05:18,443 It's important, but I was ready to move on. 80 00:05:18,527 --> 00:05:20,946 I go, "Is this the McDonald's Monopoly game?" 81 00:05:21,029 --> 00:05:22,989 He was like, "Yeah. 82 00:05:23,073 --> 00:05:24,866 Eventually I was gonna get around to it." 83 00:05:26,952 --> 00:05:30,163 So what he told me was that there was an individual 84 00:05:30,247 --> 00:05:32,707 who had called in and had this story 85 00:05:32,791 --> 00:05:35,877 that the Monopoly game was fixed. 86 00:05:37,546 --> 00:05:39,464 That was pretty much it. 87 00:05:39,548 --> 00:05:41,466 I go, "Give me that damn thing. 88 00:05:41,550 --> 00:05:43,468 I'm gonna go check this out." 89 00:05:43,552 --> 00:05:44,803 I'm seeing the fun meter with that. 90 00:05:44,886 --> 00:05:46,596 Like, that's gotta be more fun than this shit 91 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,266 that I'm looking at. 92 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:53,270 Dent thought it was just some BS story... 93 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:55,230 so, "Pfff, this... yeah, here. 94 00:05:55,313 --> 00:05:57,899 Run with this for a little bit, young man." 95 00:05:59,484 --> 00:06:03,572 I contacted the source of this call, 96 00:06:03,655 --> 00:06:04,656 and the source 97 00:06:04,739 --> 00:06:07,993 gave me three names 98 00:06:08,076 --> 00:06:10,829 that were previous million-dollar winners 99 00:06:10,912 --> 00:06:13,540 and said, "I know this is fixed because 100 00:06:13,623 --> 00:06:15,458 "these people are related. 101 00:06:15,542 --> 00:06:17,002 "They're on the family tree somehow. 102 00:06:17,085 --> 00:06:18,920 With all different names." 103 00:06:19,004 --> 00:06:22,173 And the person who's controlling this 104 00:06:22,257 --> 00:06:26,678 was this nebulous name of Uncle Jerry. 105 00:06:28,847 --> 00:06:30,974 So I come back, like, I'm excited right? 106 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:32,684 I got the biggest case ever, right? 107 00:06:32,767 --> 00:06:35,270 And I said, "Look, all million-dollar winners. 108 00:06:35,353 --> 00:06:36,855 "We need to be on this. 109 00:06:36,938 --> 00:06:38,565 Screw that health... " I think I probably said that." 110 00:06:38,648 --> 00:06:40,525 "Screw that healthcare shit we're working, right?" 111 00:06:40,609 --> 00:06:42,027 Or something like that. 112 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:43,570 I don't... Rick, I don't know if that was it, 113 00:06:43,653 --> 00:06:45,405 or I know you would never agree with that. 114 00:06:45,488 --> 00:06:48,033 But like any senior agent goes... 115 00:06:48,116 --> 00:06:49,993 and this happens even in today's Bureau. 116 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:51,620 The new young guy goes out 117 00:06:51,703 --> 00:06:53,705 and finds a nice piece of gold. 118 00:06:53,788 --> 00:06:55,665 The old agent goes, 119 00:06:55,749 --> 00:06:57,667 "Give me that back, and let me look at this." 120 00:06:57,751 --> 00:06:59,794 That's about how it was. 121 00:07:02,589 --> 00:07:04,716 Truth be told, I was a little skeptical. 122 00:07:04,799 --> 00:07:07,677 You know, fast food, promotional game fraud 123 00:07:07,761 --> 00:07:10,513 was not making any list of priorities anywhere. 124 00:07:10,597 --> 00:07:12,390 I don't think anybody had really even seen anything 125 00:07:12,474 --> 00:07:14,392 like this before, so... 126 00:07:14,476 --> 00:07:18,021 there's always a risk that I turn these guys loose on this, 127 00:07:18,104 --> 00:07:19,856 and it turns out it's not true 128 00:07:19,939 --> 00:07:21,858 and that I've expended resources, 129 00:07:21,941 --> 00:07:24,027 but you know, I think we all realized... 130 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:28,698 if this is true, this is, you know... this is big. 131 00:07:28,782 --> 00:07:31,826 What Rick did was immediately get in touch 132 00:07:31,910 --> 00:07:35,622 with the U. S. Attorney's Office and Mark Devereaux, 133 00:07:35,705 --> 00:07:38,249 'cause if you don't have an interest from a prosecutor, 134 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:39,709 you're wasting your time. 135 00:07:46,758 --> 00:07:49,260 Devereaux was the go-to guy 136 00:07:49,344 --> 00:07:52,806 that prosecuted all of our white-collar stuff. 137 00:07:52,889 --> 00:07:54,766 If there's a chance this thing can be indicted, 138 00:07:54,849 --> 00:07:57,435 prosecuted, even if it's a difficult case, 139 00:07:57,519 --> 00:07:58,937 he's gonna be the guy to do it 140 00:07:59,020 --> 00:08:00,981 because he's the guy behind the wheel. 141 00:08:04,442 --> 00:08:08,613 That part of the sell, to get that prosecutor on was... 142 00:08:08,697 --> 00:08:10,657 that was a big deal. 143 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:13,994 I don't know if Devereaux knew what Monopoly game was. 144 00:08:14,077 --> 00:08:15,537 I have no idea. 145 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:17,872 You know, I think he was a Burger King guy. 146 00:08:17,956 --> 00:08:18,999 I don't know. 147 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:31,720 My name's Mark Devereaux, Assistant U. S. Attorney 148 00:08:31,803 --> 00:08:33,596 for almost 30 years. 149 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:35,557 In this case, it was, you know, 150 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,976 I don't know if this is real, or don't know 151 00:08:38,059 --> 00:08:41,021 if it's just somebody trying to get family members 152 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:43,356 somehow interviewed and get 'em in trouble. 153 00:08:45,775 --> 00:08:48,445 But lo and behold... 154 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:53,783 when we received a list of all the winners, 155 00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:56,995 we were able to show, through different databases, 156 00:08:57,078 --> 00:08:59,664 that these individuals were related. 157 00:08:59,748 --> 00:09:01,875 They had family connections 158 00:09:01,958 --> 00:09:03,960 in the local Jacksonville area. 159 00:09:04,044 --> 00:09:05,462 In my world, 160 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:08,506 you don't believe in coincidences very much. 161 00:09:08,590 --> 00:09:12,886 And the chance of having numerous family members 162 00:09:12,969 --> 00:09:16,973 and relatives win the game was just astronomical. 163 00:09:22,771 --> 00:09:26,066 Basically, you've got less of a chance than you do 164 00:09:26,149 --> 00:09:28,568 of getting struck by lightning in Florida. 165 00:09:32,155 --> 00:09:35,700 At that point in time, we knew there was a problem. 166 00:09:35,784 --> 00:09:39,871 How big was that problem? We had no idea. 167 00:09:39,954 --> 00:09:41,122 The information that we were compiling 168 00:09:41,206 --> 00:09:43,708 is that their contest had been infected 169 00:09:43,792 --> 00:09:47,712 years before we became aware. 170 00:09:47,796 --> 00:09:50,381 I mean, we're talking, you know, altogether, 171 00:09:50,465 --> 00:09:52,509 potentially hundreds of millions of dollars 172 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:54,135 of these prizes. 173 00:09:54,219 --> 00:09:57,430 Well, how much of that is fraud? 174 00:09:58,807 --> 00:10:01,893 Once Devereaux said, "Yeah, I'm interested in this," 175 00:10:01,976 --> 00:10:04,354 he's on for everything. 176 00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:07,357 All the strategy sessions. 177 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,318 Some prosecutors, you see that space, you know. 178 00:10:10,401 --> 00:10:12,737 Devereaux, you got no space. 179 00:10:12,821 --> 00:10:14,864 Right all up in there with you. 180 00:10:16,991 --> 00:10:21,579 So we start with where could there be the opportunity 181 00:10:21,663 --> 00:10:25,166 to steal the game piece? 182 00:10:25,250 --> 00:10:28,920 We weren't sure if there was somebody inside 183 00:10:29,003 --> 00:10:31,589 with McDonald's, where that person was, 184 00:10:31,673 --> 00:10:36,052 how many, and how far that went. 185 00:10:36,136 --> 00:10:38,263 How many suspects do we have? 186 00:10:38,346 --> 00:10:41,266 We have to figure out who makes the cups, 187 00:10:41,349 --> 00:10:43,059 who makes the fry box, 188 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:46,271 who makes these game pieces that you would pull off... 189 00:10:46,354 --> 00:10:50,441 how many people are in this chain? 190 00:10:50,525 --> 00:10:51,818 There's all kinds of possibilities. 191 00:10:51,901 --> 00:10:54,904 This could be the driver, the delivery people, 192 00:10:54,988 --> 00:10:57,824 people in the factory, or even, you know, 193 00:10:57,907 --> 00:11:00,869 somebody in corporate at McDonald's. 194 00:11:00,952 --> 00:11:04,289 We didn't close out anyone. 195 00:11:07,625 --> 00:11:10,795 So there reached a point where there was a ton 196 00:11:10,879 --> 00:11:15,049 of questions, but it was, I mean, very difficult 197 00:11:15,133 --> 00:11:19,804 to pursue that further without putting some action to it. 198 00:11:19,888 --> 00:11:21,848 There wasn't a lot of, like, let me just, you know, 199 00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:23,766 at the time get on the Internet and do some... 200 00:11:23,850 --> 00:11:25,268 there wasn't a lot of that. 201 00:11:27,896 --> 00:11:31,524 We clearly had to start somewhere, 202 00:11:31,608 --> 00:11:35,570 but without compromising the case. 203 00:11:37,071 --> 00:11:41,784 So we needed a source of information on the inside. 204 00:11:41,868 --> 00:11:44,537 There was a big decision to be made, and that was: 205 00:11:44,621 --> 00:11:46,497 do we contact McDonald's? 206 00:11:46,581 --> 00:11:49,959 Because we just ran into a dead end. 207 00:11:50,043 --> 00:11:52,795 I was sitting back going, "Don't let 'em know. 208 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:56,174 I don't want them involved yet. Way too soon." 209 00:11:56,257 --> 00:11:58,426 But that's me. And I was... that was just one 210 00:11:58,509 --> 00:12:01,596 little tiny voice, and I mean tiny when I say that. 211 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,432 Of course there's a possibility that somebody 212 00:12:04,515 --> 00:12:09,103 in McDonald's is involved or knows about this 213 00:12:09,187 --> 00:12:11,356 and is looking the other way, 214 00:12:11,439 --> 00:12:13,483 but that was a risk we were willing to, 215 00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:15,693 you know, ultimately willing to take. 216 00:12:20,281 --> 00:12:23,201 We didn't want to alert 217 00:12:23,284 --> 00:12:25,328 too many people at McDonald's, 218 00:12:25,411 --> 00:12:29,791 so we contacted their head of global security, 219 00:12:29,874 --> 00:12:32,919 Rob Holm, and told him that, 220 00:12:33,002 --> 00:12:36,422 "It would probably be best for you to come to Jacksonville." 221 00:12:36,506 --> 00:12:38,383 Didn't tell him why. 222 00:12:38,466 --> 00:12:42,136 Just told him, "You have to come and see us." 223 00:12:42,220 --> 00:12:45,265 That this was need-to-know only. 224 00:12:45,348 --> 00:12:48,893 Do not tell anybody you're coming to see the FBI, 225 00:12:48,977 --> 00:12:51,396 to keep it quiet. 226 00:12:51,479 --> 00:12:54,148 McDonald's sent three people 227 00:12:54,232 --> 00:12:57,485 and I personally picked them up here in Jacksonville, 228 00:12:57,568 --> 00:13:01,948 and we drove over to the FBI office in the morning. 229 00:13:02,031 --> 00:13:05,827 Mostly it was just, "Welcome to Jacksonville," 230 00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:07,328 this and that. 231 00:13:07,412 --> 00:13:09,998 Didn't even explain to them what we had. 232 00:13:12,625 --> 00:13:16,129 We got to the FBI office... 233 00:13:19,382 --> 00:13:22,301 Took 'em up to the conference room... 234 00:13:25,263 --> 00:13:27,807 You know, you're evaluating their body language 235 00:13:27,890 --> 00:13:29,392 or whether they're twitching. 236 00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:31,019 Are they genuine? Are they legitimate? 237 00:13:31,102 --> 00:13:33,730 Or is there... you know, is there something else going on here? 238 00:13:33,813 --> 00:13:36,733 At that point, we did not know 239 00:13:36,816 --> 00:13:38,943 if McDonald's was involved. 240 00:13:39,027 --> 00:13:42,488 Every organization can have a bad apple. 241 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:47,326 This part of the investigation 242 00:13:47,410 --> 00:13:49,871 was extremely boring to me. 243 00:13:49,954 --> 00:13:51,914 Like, I don't want anything to do with this. 244 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:53,958 "Call me when it's over, Rick," right? 245 00:13:54,042 --> 00:13:56,878 And... which was sort of my M. O. a lot of times. 246 00:13:56,961 --> 00:13:58,671 It's way too slow for me, 247 00:13:58,755 --> 00:14:00,673 but I was... "No, you gotta be here for that." 248 00:14:00,757 --> 00:14:03,509 And I so I think I showed up. I might've had a gold suit on. 249 00:14:08,389 --> 00:14:10,183 I had it in the closet, 250 00:14:10,266 --> 00:14:11,684 and I thought, "This is a great opportunity, 251 00:14:11,768 --> 00:14:13,936 when it's like a golden fry suit," right? 252 00:14:14,020 --> 00:14:16,355 Man, when I wore that in there, Mark Devereaux, 253 00:14:16,439 --> 00:14:19,108 if he could've ripped it off with his hands, he would have. 254 00:14:19,192 --> 00:14:20,818 He goes, "Are you kidding me?" 255 00:14:20,902 --> 00:14:22,320 But I had a white shirt on, right? 256 00:14:22,403 --> 00:14:23,780 So I thought I was safe. 257 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:25,615 I wasn't. 258 00:14:26,616 --> 00:14:31,496 Doug has quite a wardrobe, and there he is sitting there. 259 00:14:31,579 --> 00:14:32,705 And lo and behold, he looks like 260 00:14:32,789 --> 00:14:35,291 he's a manager of a McDonald's. 261 00:14:37,752 --> 00:14:39,837 They thought it was cool. 262 00:14:41,923 --> 00:14:43,341 I'm kidding. 263 00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:46,761 So when you're there in that meeting, very tense. 264 00:14:46,844 --> 00:14:51,516 I went up to a whiteboard and started putting names down. 265 00:14:55,061 --> 00:14:59,232 And I asked, "Do you recognize the names?" 266 00:15:00,441 --> 00:15:02,652 "No, sir." 267 00:15:02,735 --> 00:15:04,445 "All these people 268 00:15:04,529 --> 00:15:07,615 are winners on your promotional games." 269 00:15:09,742 --> 00:15:12,370 And then I started drawing lines 270 00:15:12,453 --> 00:15:15,748 of family connections and relationships. 271 00:15:17,291 --> 00:15:19,293 Devereaux's putting it right on the whiteboard there. 272 00:15:19,377 --> 00:15:21,170 "Well, did you know this? Do you know this?" 273 00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:22,713 Brothers, sisters, cousins, 274 00:15:22,797 --> 00:15:25,049 a mother-daughter, that type thing. 275 00:15:25,133 --> 00:15:29,637 This person is married to this person's daughter. 276 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,473 And the names, the last names, were all different. 277 00:15:33,558 --> 00:15:38,354 And I remember it was literally jaws on the table. 278 00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:41,023 They just could not believe it. 279 00:15:41,107 --> 00:15:43,985 Even though we had, it looked like, 280 00:15:44,068 --> 00:15:46,237 our corporate victim here of McDonald's, 281 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,613 are they truly a victim? 282 00:15:47,697 --> 00:15:49,448 I mean, there's always that. 283 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,746 And so, there was more information there 284 00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:57,248 than I would've probably put out there. 285 00:15:57,331 --> 00:15:58,916 Certainly enough for them to see, 286 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,585 "Wow, yeah, we have an issue." 287 00:16:00,668 --> 00:16:03,921 Everybody agreed that we needed to keep this circle 288 00:16:04,005 --> 00:16:07,049 of individuals that had this knowledge 289 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:10,803 to the absolute minimum. 290 00:16:10,887 --> 00:16:13,431 You know, Devereaux was doing most the talking 291 00:16:13,514 --> 00:16:16,225 as he usually does, and it just seemed like 292 00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:19,103 this meeting just took forever. 293 00:16:19,187 --> 00:16:20,438 I don't even know if I was hungry; 294 00:16:20,521 --> 00:16:23,399 I might've been hungry twice in that meeting. 295 00:16:26,152 --> 00:16:28,112 Proving this case historically, 296 00:16:28,196 --> 00:16:31,032 which is what we traditionally did in white-collar cases 297 00:16:31,115 --> 00:16:32,283 when you rely on paperwork, 298 00:16:32,366 --> 00:16:33,910 you rely on witness interviews, 299 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:37,496 you rely on bank statements, was gonna be very difficult. 300 00:16:37,580 --> 00:16:40,249 I mean, almost monumental. 301 00:16:40,333 --> 00:16:43,961 So we would, in this case, have to think outside the box. 302 00:16:44,045 --> 00:16:47,131 And then we find out that they were on the cusp 303 00:16:47,215 --> 00:16:48,883 of running another game. 304 00:16:48,966 --> 00:16:53,471 It was kind of a perfect fit because we were looking 305 00:16:53,554 --> 00:16:55,640 to doing something proactively, 306 00:16:55,723 --> 00:16:57,558 essentially catch people in the act. 307 00:16:58,643 --> 00:17:01,354 We told them the only way 308 00:17:01,437 --> 00:17:05,650 to identify this criminal enterprise was 309 00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:09,737 to have them run a game knowing that there's fraud 310 00:17:09,820 --> 00:17:11,364 somewhere involved in this. 311 00:17:14,242 --> 00:17:16,661 - We have this. - We're going forward. 312 00:17:16,744 --> 00:17:18,079 We want your help. 313 00:17:18,162 --> 00:17:20,998 If the answer is no... 314 00:17:21,082 --> 00:17:22,583 nothing happens. 315 00:17:39,308 --> 00:17:40,935 My name is Rob Holm, 316 00:17:41,018 --> 00:17:43,604 Director of Global Security for McDonald's. 317 00:17:45,982 --> 00:17:49,068 Our brand is, throughout the world, 318 00:17:49,151 --> 00:17:50,611 37,000 restaurants 319 00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:52,863 in 120 countries. 320 00:17:52,947 --> 00:17:55,074 So it's... it's a big responsibility. 321 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:02,290 When I first learned about our Monopoly game 322 00:18:02,373 --> 00:18:05,001 being compromised, I was shocked. 323 00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:06,669 I was utterly shocked. 324 00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:08,754 How in the world could this have happened? 325 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:12,925 More importantly, was anybody from McDonald's a part of this? 326 00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:18,139 The FBI wanted to run the promotion 327 00:18:18,222 --> 00:18:21,267 knowing that it was rigged. 328 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:23,394 I was hesitant to do that, 329 00:18:23,477 --> 00:18:26,897 obviously concerned that if this game is rigged, 330 00:18:26,981 --> 00:18:29,358 customers are not even gonna get a chance 331 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,319 to win the million dollars. 332 00:18:31,402 --> 00:18:34,447 I think we were naive to think that they would agree 333 00:18:34,530 --> 00:18:37,116 right then and there and, you know, we'd be off to, 334 00:18:37,199 --> 00:18:39,368 you know, off... off and running. 335 00:18:39,452 --> 00:18:41,746 These promotions were... 336 00:18:41,829 --> 00:18:45,082 of everything McDonald's, one of the bright spots. 337 00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:47,335 You know, I remember the mad cow, and at that time, 338 00:18:47,418 --> 00:18:49,086 McDonald's was, you know, 339 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:50,963 struggling with some image things. 340 00:18:51,047 --> 00:18:53,799 Concern over Britain's so-called mad cow disease 341 00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:56,844 spread late today to McDonald's restaurants. 342 00:18:56,927 --> 00:18:58,763 First mad cow, now this. 343 00:18:58,846 --> 00:19:01,807 ♪ McDonald's and you ♪ 344 00:19:01,891 --> 00:19:04,977 ♪ McDonald's and you, sharing good times ♪ 345 00:19:05,061 --> 00:19:07,438 The most important thing for McDonald's 346 00:19:07,521 --> 00:19:08,773 is their brand name. 347 00:19:08,856 --> 00:19:11,859 They're a family restaurant that can be trusted. 348 00:19:11,942 --> 00:19:15,738 Their golden arches are a part of America. 349 00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:18,783 ♪ Remember there's only one McDonald's ♪ 350 00:19:18,866 --> 00:19:21,702 ♪ And there's only one you ♪ 351 00:19:21,786 --> 00:19:24,038 They have to protect that. 352 00:19:24,121 --> 00:19:26,499 ♪ McDonald's and you ♪ 353 00:19:26,582 --> 00:19:31,796 And so, if it's on the 6:00 news and the national news 354 00:19:31,879 --> 00:19:34,382 that McDonald's games are a fraud, 355 00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:37,635 they could suffer irreparable damage 356 00:19:37,718 --> 00:19:40,304 to their good name. 357 00:19:40,388 --> 00:19:42,014 I wasn't in their meetings, 358 00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:44,016 but I would bet dollars to doughnuts 359 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:47,311 that there were a few people that said, "We can't do this. 360 00:19:47,395 --> 00:19:51,315 Shut it off," and nobody ever finds out about this. 361 00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:53,234 They wanted this big meeting. 362 00:19:53,317 --> 00:19:56,320 And so we went out there to Illinois, 363 00:19:56,404 --> 00:19:57,321 at their headquarters. 364 00:19:57,405 --> 00:19:59,657 They got, like, this... 365 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:01,742 great coffee inside to... 366 00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:03,285 you know, when you walk in their place 367 00:20:03,369 --> 00:20:04,829 and you're waiting on them. 368 00:20:04,912 --> 00:20:07,998 So anyway, I know that's a... aside. 369 00:20:08,082 --> 00:20:10,835 And at that time, we weren't sure 370 00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:13,129 which way they were gonna go. 371 00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:15,965 That was a heck of a decision. 372 00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:20,010 There were so many "what ifs." 373 00:20:20,094 --> 00:20:23,848 What if it's somebody within our own company? 374 00:20:23,931 --> 00:20:25,266 A traitor? 375 00:20:25,349 --> 00:20:26,934 We've got a problem. 376 00:20:28,602 --> 00:20:30,146 They needed to find that out, 377 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,314 because if they had just shut down, 378 00:20:32,398 --> 00:20:34,024 it may have continued. 379 00:20:34,108 --> 00:20:35,693 Look, how many people been playing this thing? 380 00:20:35,776 --> 00:20:38,696 And they're gonna find out we didn't help burn this down. 381 00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:42,533 McDonald's knew they had a ticking bomb. 382 00:20:47,955 --> 00:20:50,541 Making that call was something that 383 00:20:50,624 --> 00:20:52,126 we took seriously. 384 00:20:52,209 --> 00:20:54,086 Our worry all along was 385 00:20:54,170 --> 00:20:57,256 that this could be leaked out publically. 386 00:20:57,339 --> 00:20:59,967 So it was not an easy decision, 387 00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:02,636 but ultimately, we owed it to our customers 388 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,346 to do the right thing, 389 00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:07,141 which is to run the game one more time. 390 00:21:08,809 --> 00:21:12,646 We absolutely knew that if we didn't get this right, 391 00:21:12,730 --> 00:21:14,356 we're not getting another opportunity. 392 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,066 It's not like, "Don't worry. 393 00:21:16,150 --> 00:21:17,568 We'll run this again next month." 394 00:21:17,651 --> 00:21:21,071 We knew that, at best, we had this one shot 395 00:21:21,155 --> 00:21:24,074 to move our investigation. 396 00:21:24,158 --> 00:21:26,327 ♪ This is how we do it ♪ 397 00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:28,537 From that point, it was literally, 398 00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:30,998 "McDonald's, tell us how this program works." 399 00:21:31,081 --> 00:21:33,626 But McDonald's makes French fries 400 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:36,754 and hamburgers and milkshakes and apple pies. 401 00:21:36,837 --> 00:21:39,131 They don't make marketing. 402 00:21:39,215 --> 00:21:40,716 They outsourced it. 403 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,887 They hired a marketing company, Simon Marketing. 404 00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:46,597 ♪ This is how we do it ♪ 405 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,599 Simon Marketing actually produced and came up with 406 00:21:48,682 --> 00:21:50,559 the Happy Meal toys back in the '80s. 407 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,770 Your kids will love McDonald's Happy Meal. 408 00:21:52,853 --> 00:21:54,230 It's food and fun in a box. 409 00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:55,981 The Happy Meal is gonna increase your business, 410 00:21:56,065 --> 00:21:57,316 but it's for the children. 411 00:21:57,399 --> 00:21:58,984 I've got a Happy Meal! 412 00:21:59,068 --> 00:22:01,195 They wanted a promotion for the adult. 413 00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:03,072 ♪ Like McDonald's can ♪ 414 00:22:03,155 --> 00:22:04,740 I'm Richard White, 415 00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:07,868 started at Simon Marketing in 1981. 416 00:22:07,952 --> 00:22:11,455 The game Monopoly has come to life at McDonald's. 417 00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:14,250 The Monopoly game, we designed that game 418 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,752 and it was running once a year. 419 00:22:16,836 --> 00:22:19,088 A $2 million grand prize! 420 00:22:19,171 --> 00:22:20,422 Play Monopoly. 421 00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:22,466 It was a ridiculous amount of increase 422 00:22:22,550 --> 00:22:23,759 in McDonald's business. 423 00:22:23,843 --> 00:22:26,303 Like, 40% when we ran the game. 424 00:22:26,387 --> 00:22:28,013 People love collecting. 425 00:22:28,097 --> 00:22:29,598 The Monopoly promotion 426 00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:33,644 is much like the "Monopoly" game you would have at home. 427 00:22:33,727 --> 00:22:36,272 Customers try to match game pieces, 428 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:38,440 like Boardwalk and Park Place. 429 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,943 They had their cards, and it'd be full, 430 00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:43,195 but they'd be missing a piece and a piece and a piece... 431 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:44,989 and a piece and a piece... 'cause those were 432 00:22:45,072 --> 00:22:46,198 the winning pieces. 433 00:22:46,282 --> 00:22:48,534 And there was low-value pieces that you could win 434 00:22:48,617 --> 00:22:50,452 food items, beverages, 435 00:22:50,536 --> 00:22:51,745 and then some of the high-value pieces: 436 00:22:51,829 --> 00:22:54,331 homes, vehicles, and the million dollars. 437 00:22:54,415 --> 00:22:55,791 Boardwalk. 438 00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:57,459 Boardwalk? 439 00:22:57,543 --> 00:22:59,461 So they were after that million-dollar winner. 440 00:22:59,545 --> 00:23:01,672 You know, people like chance games. 441 00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:03,549 Any game we did for McDonald's 442 00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:05,175 always increased their business. 443 00:23:05,259 --> 00:23:07,261 We actually did Scrabble one year. 444 00:23:07,344 --> 00:23:10,347 Got to where they started doing it twice a year. 445 00:23:10,431 --> 00:23:12,182 How are we gonna get our sales back up? 446 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:14,268 Let's run Monopoly again. 447 00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:16,520 ♪ This is how we do it ♪ 448 00:23:16,604 --> 00:23:18,188 ♪ All hands up in the air ♪ 449 00:23:18,272 --> 00:23:20,357 There were very specific rules 450 00:23:20,441 --> 00:23:23,193 for how you could obtain the game piece. 451 00:23:23,277 --> 00:23:26,655 One of the ways was that you could just walk in 452 00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:29,867 and ask, for free, to get a game piece. 453 00:23:29,950 --> 00:23:31,911 Because otherwise it was gambling. 454 00:23:31,994 --> 00:23:33,871 How else can you get the game piece? 455 00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:36,040 You could go in and buy a food product, 456 00:23:36,123 --> 00:23:38,167 and you could get the game piece 457 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:39,919 out of some of the magazines. 458 00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:42,963 Nowhere in the game rules does it say, 459 00:23:43,047 --> 00:23:46,675 "I can get a game piece from Uncle Jerry." 460 00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,178 ♪ This is how we do it ♪ 461 00:23:53,891 --> 00:23:55,392 With a significant case, 462 00:23:55,476 --> 00:23:58,270 an undercover operation or something that involves 463 00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:00,522 a lot of people, you could give it a name. 464 00:24:00,606 --> 00:24:02,733 So we had a contest to come up with a name 465 00:24:02,816 --> 00:24:04,902 among... among the squad. 466 00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:06,403 Some of the names, uh... 467 00:24:06,487 --> 00:24:09,406 Operation Unhappy Meal, Fallen Arches. 468 00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:12,159 I think there were a few playing on the Hamburglar, 469 00:24:12,242 --> 00:24:13,953 something about Stale Fries. 470 00:24:14,036 --> 00:24:15,412 I don't think we sent that one up 471 00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:16,872 to headquarters for approval. 472 00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:19,959 I think calmer, more rational minds prevailed. 473 00:24:20,042 --> 00:24:21,585 The new promotional game was called, 474 00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:22,920 "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?" 475 00:24:23,003 --> 00:24:24,546 to match up with the TV show. 476 00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:25,881 Play the "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" 477 00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:27,383 game at McDonald's. 478 00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:28,842 If you remember the TV show, they asked, 479 00:24:28,926 --> 00:24:30,260 "Is that your final answer?" 480 00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:32,012 - Final answer? - Final answer. 481 00:24:32,096 --> 00:24:35,224 So that ultimately became the name of this operation. 482 00:24:37,851 --> 00:24:39,186 Game time. 483 00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:41,188 Kickoff has started, and we're in the game. 484 00:24:49,196 --> 00:24:51,615 At the time, I was always looking for 485 00:24:51,699 --> 00:24:54,326 an undercover angle, even though I was being told, 486 00:24:54,410 --> 00:24:56,245 "You don't want that. You don't want that." 487 00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:57,705 You know, I was always asking, 488 00:24:57,788 --> 00:25:00,040 "What about this one? What about this one?" 489 00:25:00,124 --> 00:25:01,625 Go get the bad guy, right? 490 00:25:01,709 --> 00:25:04,044 I wanna burn down the criminal enterprise. 491 00:25:05,546 --> 00:25:07,631 Maybe it's the... the accountant in him 492 00:25:07,715 --> 00:25:09,758 or this Walter Mitty complex, 493 00:25:09,842 --> 00:25:11,427 but this was the opportunity 494 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,470 to, you know, be an undercover agent 495 00:25:13,554 --> 00:25:16,974 even before we could articulate the need 496 00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:19,852 to do any kind of undercover... that there was always this, 497 00:25:19,935 --> 00:25:21,645 you know, somehow, some way, 498 00:25:21,729 --> 00:25:23,856 we gotta do an undercover in this thing. 499 00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:27,651 Every single meeting, I'm the one over there going, 500 00:25:27,735 --> 00:25:30,195 "Undercover investigation, undercover investigation." 501 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:32,156 I didn't think anybody was listening. 502 00:25:32,239 --> 00:25:33,615 As a matter of fact, I think a couple of them 503 00:25:33,699 --> 00:25:35,951 started out with, "Mathews, I don't wanna hear anything 504 00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:37,536 "about an undercover investigation. 505 00:25:37,619 --> 00:25:39,288 Just sit over there and listen." 506 00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:42,374 Rick always coined that I was the George Costanza 507 00:25:42,458 --> 00:25:44,334 'cause "Seinfeld" was big back then. 508 00:25:44,418 --> 00:25:47,504 All right, that's it for me. 509 00:25:47,588 --> 00:25:49,715 Take care, everybody. 510 00:25:49,798 --> 00:25:51,508 I'd come in and I'd say, "Undercover," 511 00:25:51,592 --> 00:25:53,177 and I'm gone, I was out. 512 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:55,262 You could kind of let him run with things a little bit 513 00:25:55,345 --> 00:25:57,431 and then bring him back to reality. 514 00:25:57,514 --> 00:25:59,266 Okay, "Yeah, that's great, Doug. 515 00:25:59,349 --> 00:26:01,935 "By the way, I still need that FD-302 you promised me, 516 00:26:02,019 --> 00:26:05,022 "so why don't you go get that done, 517 00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:07,357 and then we'll talk about undercover work." 518 00:26:11,195 --> 00:26:13,405 So we get the call from McDonald's that this guy, 519 00:26:13,489 --> 00:26:17,034 Michael Hoover, a winner, had claimed the latest prize. 520 00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:21,038 So we had the advantage of knowing this person's name, 521 00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:24,249 and we're able to do a little bit of preliminary background. 522 00:26:28,045 --> 00:26:31,632 Think he worked as a pit boss at a casino. 523 00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:34,927 So I guess he would've been familiar with 524 00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:37,846 gambling and sweepstakes and whatnot. 525 00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:40,682 Rick wanted to try to do the wiretap. 526 00:26:40,766 --> 00:26:43,060 It's a called a Title III investigation, and it's... 527 00:26:43,143 --> 00:26:45,395 the wiretap investigation got up. 528 00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:47,314 And, you know, you're sitting... 529 00:26:47,397 --> 00:26:48,649 you're not really doing anything, 530 00:26:48,732 --> 00:26:50,901 and that's a boring situation for me. 531 00:26:50,984 --> 00:26:52,569 I don't know how many poems I can write 532 00:26:52,653 --> 00:26:54,655 on a piece of paper to get through it. 533 00:26:54,738 --> 00:26:57,950 So I said, "Look, what do you think about this?" 534 00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,118 When you win, part of your signing up 535 00:27:00,202 --> 00:27:02,955 as a winner is to say, "Hey, I'm okay with using 536 00:27:03,038 --> 00:27:05,749 my face in the big check," or whatever it is 537 00:27:05,833 --> 00:27:07,459 for future promotions. 538 00:27:07,543 --> 00:27:09,753 So I saw that as an opportunity. 539 00:27:09,837 --> 00:27:13,215 Let's use that as a platform for us. 540 00:27:15,133 --> 00:27:17,386 I said, "I think this is a great opportunity 541 00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:19,972 "for an undercover investigation where we do 542 00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:23,267 "this TV commercial of the winners 543 00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:25,394 "like Publishers Clearing House. 544 00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:28,063 "Jumping up, telling us how they won these 545 00:27:28,146 --> 00:27:30,065 "and what they did with it, that kind of thing. 546 00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:32,901 "So we could do that with Hoover. 547 00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:35,237 "You know, we're the production company. 548 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,488 That's how this could roll." 549 00:27:36,572 --> 00:27:38,949 He's like, "Mathews, who's gonna do this? 550 00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:40,826 You gonna do it? 'Cause I'm not doing it." 551 00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:43,120 And I said, "Yeah, I'm gonna do it." 552 00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:45,289 He goes, "Well, you don't know anything about that." 553 00:27:45,372 --> 00:27:48,125 And I said, "I'm gonna be the director. 554 00:27:48,208 --> 00:27:49,793 "Because they don't do shit. 555 00:27:49,877 --> 00:27:53,297 "And then I'm gonna get McDonald's to give me 556 00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:55,424 their public relations." 557 00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:56,592 That's all I said. 558 00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:58,385 And Rick goes, "Wait a minute. 559 00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:00,888 "If we're going to do anything, 560 00:28:00,971 --> 00:28:03,807 we're gonna need SAC authority." 561 00:28:11,732 --> 00:28:14,109 - I'm Tom Kneir. - I was the special agent 562 00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:17,613 in charge of the Jacksonville office of the FBI. 563 00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:21,533 In each office, you have the SAC for the office. 564 00:28:21,617 --> 00:28:23,535 That's their Special Agent in Charge. 565 00:28:23,619 --> 00:28:25,454 And then you have squads. 566 00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:31,335 Most of the contact is usually with the squad supervisor. 567 00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:33,670 But this was... this was a particular case 568 00:28:33,754 --> 00:28:37,674 that, you know, I had a lot of hands-on with Chris 569 00:28:37,758 --> 00:28:39,760 and everybody that worked on that case. 570 00:28:40,928 --> 00:28:43,180 Doug was almost brand new at the time, 571 00:28:43,263 --> 00:28:46,350 and he's been given a badge, a gun, 572 00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:47,851 and some credentials, 573 00:28:47,935 --> 00:28:50,354 and now he's got a Superman's cape, right? 574 00:28:50,437 --> 00:28:52,439 And away he goes. 575 00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:55,233 So the next day, I think I was called. 576 00:28:55,317 --> 00:28:57,611 And he said, "Hey, you need to come up here." 577 00:28:57,694 --> 00:28:59,571 When you hear your name, 578 00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:02,574 "Mathews to the SAC's office," 579 00:29:02,658 --> 00:29:03,867 never good. 580 00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:05,619 Never, ever good. 581 00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:07,704 And everybody knows. It's like the walk of shame. 582 00:29:07,788 --> 00:29:09,623 To the elevators, whatever. 583 00:29:09,706 --> 00:29:11,041 "Oh, shit, Mathews. 584 00:29:11,124 --> 00:29:12,793 I hope you still have a paycheck." 585 00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:15,003 'Cause they all know it's bad. 586 00:29:16,129 --> 00:29:19,800 And so I come in and it's SAC Kneir, CDC, 587 00:29:19,883 --> 00:29:23,053 the Chief Division Council, Rick Dent, Graham, 588 00:29:23,136 --> 00:29:26,974 in this room about this size, so small. 589 00:29:28,976 --> 00:29:31,812 And they all, like, turned to look at me, and I'm like... 590 00:29:32,813 --> 00:29:34,106 And I go, "I'm sorry." 591 00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:35,607 That's all I said. 592 00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:37,025 And Rick goes, 593 00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:40,237 "You know, I think this might work. 594 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,197 And he's gonna do it." 595 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,701 And that right then was probably... if I was ever, like, 596 00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:47,536 concerned about, "I don't know, man. 597 00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:48,996 This might get somewhere..." you know, whatever, 598 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:50,580 be careful what you ask for, thing? 599 00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:52,457 Maybe that was the moment for me, 600 00:29:52,541 --> 00:29:54,835 but it quickly passed and I was back in. 601 00:29:56,753 --> 00:29:58,380 We didn't have a lot of undercover agents 602 00:29:58,463 --> 00:29:59,798 in Jacksonville. 603 00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:02,300 You know, you could call headquarters and say, 604 00:30:02,384 --> 00:30:05,595 "Hey, you know, we need a undercover agent down here." 605 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,764 "Well, he's not available for three weeks," 606 00:30:07,848 --> 00:30:09,307 and, you know. And so we... we'd just 607 00:30:09,391 --> 00:30:11,018 kind of rolled the dice and said, "You know what? 608 00:30:11,101 --> 00:30:13,061 Doug is a little bit of an actor anyway," 609 00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:15,147 so I guess that's when my hair turned white. 610 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:16,815 No. 611 00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:19,484 Being an undercover agent, it's not just something 612 00:30:19,568 --> 00:30:21,778 you raise your hand and decide to do. 613 00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:24,281 You know, there's a stringent process, a school, 614 00:30:24,364 --> 00:30:27,784 testing, all these things that didn't exactly mesh 615 00:30:27,868 --> 00:30:30,787 with Doug's concept of being undercover. 616 00:30:30,871 --> 00:30:32,748 You know, he wanted to... 617 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:35,208 wanted to get right up there on stage. 618 00:30:38,712 --> 00:30:40,630 He was not a certified undercover, 619 00:30:40,714 --> 00:30:42,340 but for a specific case, 620 00:30:42,424 --> 00:30:44,634 you can get what they call SAC authority 621 00:30:44,718 --> 00:30:48,138 to do undercover work, and that's what Doug Mathews 622 00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:50,348 did just for that specific case. 623 00:30:50,432 --> 00:30:53,977 My name's Janet Pellicciotti, and I was a special agent 624 00:30:54,061 --> 00:30:56,146 for the FBI in the Jacksonville Division. 625 00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:57,731 I was our undercover coordinator also, 626 00:30:57,814 --> 00:31:01,151 and I tried to get him to become an undercover agent 627 00:31:01,234 --> 00:31:02,819 because he was just... he was a natural. 628 00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:05,447 Undercover was like acting, only... 629 00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:06,656 it's real. 630 00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:09,451 You know, you sit there and there's a real threat, 631 00:31:09,534 --> 00:31:11,495 and somebody could harm you. 632 00:31:11,578 --> 00:31:12,746 They could really harm you. 633 00:31:12,829 --> 00:31:14,206 The Jacksonville Division, 634 00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:16,708 if you talk to Agent Pellicciotti, 635 00:31:16,792 --> 00:31:20,212 is a small division that didn't do a lot of this. 636 00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:24,674 Right, so I got to do all the fun 637 00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:26,843 and not have to go through all the bullshit. 638 00:31:26,927 --> 00:31:29,763 Yeah, just make it happen. That's what it was. 639 00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:31,306 "Hey, Mathews, just make it happen." 640 00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:32,724 And I'm thinking to myself... 641 00:31:34,601 --> 00:31:35,727 And then two is... 642 00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,024 He wanted to be thrown into the lion's den, 643 00:31:41,108 --> 00:31:44,194 and he wouldn't have gotten it if the SAC did not feel 644 00:31:44,277 --> 00:31:46,029 he could handle himself. 645 00:31:46,113 --> 00:31:48,865 So they got some undercovers, you know, 646 00:31:48,949 --> 00:31:50,951 to act as a film crew. 647 00:31:51,952 --> 00:31:55,372 My name is Jan Garvin, and I was videographer. 648 00:31:55,455 --> 00:31:57,999 When I answered his call, he said, 649 00:31:58,083 --> 00:31:59,292 "You're gonna love this." 650 00:31:59,376 --> 00:32:00,877 Not, "Hey, Jan, how's it going? 651 00:32:00,961 --> 00:32:02,170 Let's go, you know... how was the trip?" 652 00:32:02,254 --> 00:32:04,089 You know, it was like, "You're gonna love this." 653 00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,842 And after he explained what it was, it was like... 654 00:32:09,052 --> 00:32:10,137 And... 655 00:32:15,809 --> 00:32:18,687 We needed to put together what appears to be 656 00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:20,814 a legitimate production company. 657 00:32:20,897 --> 00:32:23,441 A video person, an audio person, 658 00:32:23,525 --> 00:32:26,570 a director and a... an interviewer. 659 00:32:26,653 --> 00:32:28,989 I go, "Yeah, I need one just to act like 660 00:32:29,072 --> 00:32:30,740 "they're the lighting person or whatever. 661 00:32:30,824 --> 00:32:33,034 "Nobody needs to see that you're Bureau, right? 662 00:32:33,118 --> 00:32:35,162 "So give me somebody that's not stupid, 'cause, 663 00:32:35,245 --> 00:32:36,913 you know, we don't know jack, right?" 664 00:32:36,997 --> 00:32:39,666 In my mind I just thought, you know, just get on the stage 665 00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:42,961 and everything will be fine; you'll just roll right through. 666 00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:48,758 With any production company 667 00:32:48,842 --> 00:32:50,510 and any good undercover operation, 668 00:32:50,594 --> 00:32:52,470 you need a good name and in this case, 669 00:32:52,554 --> 00:32:54,848 we came up with Shamrock Productions. 670 00:32:57,893 --> 00:33:00,020 Which is good, but I always liked the byline, 671 00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:02,147 "'Cause you're just lucky." 672 00:33:03,148 --> 00:33:05,025 That was... that was good. 673 00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:12,532 We thought about having everybody 674 00:33:12,616 --> 00:33:16,745 in this undercover operation be FBI personnel. 675 00:33:16,828 --> 00:33:18,538 They legitimately tried to make that happen. 676 00:33:18,622 --> 00:33:23,418 It just... the way that this scenario had to run, 677 00:33:23,501 --> 00:33:26,796 you needed somebody inside McDonald's 678 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,049 with that background. 679 00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:31,760 That would be hard to fake. 680 00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:39,809 My name's Amy Murray. 681 00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:43,188 I've been with McDonald's for 22 years. 682 00:33:45,065 --> 00:33:47,525 The FBI investigation happened 17 years ago, 683 00:33:47,609 --> 00:33:50,153 and it's been years since I've talked to anyone, 684 00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:52,948 so, in fact, I don't really tell the story that much 685 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,532 because, you know, 686 00:33:54,616 --> 00:33:56,534 how do you drop into conversation that 687 00:33:56,618 --> 00:33:58,787 you're part of an FBI investigation? 688 00:34:01,748 --> 00:34:05,919 Back in 2001, I was in the communications department. 689 00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:08,463 I had only been working on Monopoly and games 690 00:34:08,546 --> 00:34:10,257 for about six months. 691 00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:15,053 My boss's boss called me into his office and he was like, 692 00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:17,472 "Amy, the FBI has contacted us. 693 00:34:17,556 --> 00:34:22,143 "They've told us that the game pieces are being stolen 694 00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:25,855 "and that the entire game may be compromised 695 00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:27,566 by a criminal ring." 696 00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:31,653 And if you can imagine, I was completely shocked. 697 00:34:33,113 --> 00:34:36,199 You know, I felt sick to my stomach. 698 00:34:36,283 --> 00:34:39,995 To break that trust was just devastating. 699 00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:41,788 How could this possibly happen? 700 00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:44,207 I started thinking back to all the answers 701 00:34:44,291 --> 00:34:46,710 that I've heard from Monopoly winners in the past, 702 00:34:46,793 --> 00:34:50,005 and it did seem like they were almost scripted. 703 00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:53,133 Hindsight's 20/20, and I started to realize 704 00:34:53,216 --> 00:34:56,052 that it did seem like there was a pattern. 705 00:34:56,136 --> 00:34:59,139 You know, I used that word, "pattern" and I think that 706 00:34:59,222 --> 00:35:01,433 was when the FBI really said, 707 00:35:01,516 --> 00:35:04,728 "It would be great to talk to Amy directly, 708 00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:07,397 since she has so much contact with the winners." 709 00:35:09,482 --> 00:35:12,569 For a civilian to participate in an undercover operation 710 00:35:12,652 --> 00:35:15,739 doesn't happen much at all, for obvious reasons, right? 711 00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:18,575 It's... if something happens, 712 00:35:18,658 --> 00:35:20,827 you want people who are professionals that are 713 00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:23,079 used to being in situations like that. 714 00:35:23,163 --> 00:35:25,999 I was a little concerned, because I wanted to make sure 715 00:35:26,082 --> 00:35:29,753 that her safety and security was first and foremost. 716 00:35:29,836 --> 00:35:33,465 They said, "Rob, don't worry. She will be safe." 717 00:35:35,675 --> 00:35:38,428 We really didn't know how far we would have to go 718 00:35:38,511 --> 00:35:40,639 to help the FBI get evidence, 719 00:35:40,722 --> 00:35:43,391 and yes, there were nerves involved, 720 00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:45,727 and I was nervous. 721 00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:47,145 But I was all-in. 722 00:35:47,228 --> 00:35:50,106 You know, I wanted to make it right as fast as possible. 723 00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:54,235 So I would be talking to the FBI sometimes every day, 724 00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:55,612 sometimes twice a day. 725 00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:58,323 People were intrigued, like, "What's this special project?" 726 00:35:58,406 --> 00:36:00,533 I just couldn't talk about this, not to my family, 727 00:36:00,617 --> 00:36:03,244 not to my closest friends, 728 00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:05,080 not even to coworkers. 729 00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:08,124 We told a couple people 730 00:36:08,208 --> 00:36:10,168 in McDonald's and then our team; that's it. 731 00:36:10,251 --> 00:36:12,545 'Cause we still didn't know, you gotta remember... 732 00:36:12,629 --> 00:36:15,048 like, this investigation... we still didn't know 733 00:36:15,131 --> 00:36:17,509 if anybody was infected 734 00:36:17,592 --> 00:36:19,803 through corporate, right, or who. 735 00:36:19,886 --> 00:36:22,639 So we set up a time for 736 00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:25,684 Shamrock Productions to go up 737 00:36:25,767 --> 00:36:28,228 and visit Mr. Hoover. 738 00:36:29,396 --> 00:36:32,357 He had already been in contact with Amy, 739 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,902 and he was very amenable to us coming by to film 740 00:36:35,985 --> 00:36:38,697 this commercial that we were putting together. 741 00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:41,282 I'll never forget showing up at an airport, 742 00:36:41,366 --> 00:36:44,661 and a white van pulled up with all of the FBI agents 743 00:36:44,744 --> 00:36:47,455 and, you know, they're like, you know, "Hi, Amy." 744 00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:49,124 And I was introduced to all of them. 745 00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:50,709 You know, I really had to talk to Doug about, 746 00:36:50,792 --> 00:36:52,460 "This is what a producer would do; 747 00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:54,170 this is what the cameraman would do." 748 00:36:54,254 --> 00:36:56,131 And I was just playing myself. 749 00:36:57,674 --> 00:36:59,551 So the first time we're going out there, 750 00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:01,177 I think I had, like, a golf shirt on. 751 00:37:01,261 --> 00:37:03,346 I looked like maybe I'd played nine holes 752 00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:04,931 or something like that. 753 00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:06,975 That's what Amy told me what a director looks like... 754 00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:09,561 looks like somebody that's just come off the golf course. 755 00:37:09,644 --> 00:37:11,938 So I'm excited, right? 756 00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:15,692 But I have a lot of apprehension as well. 757 00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:16,901 It's the first one. 758 00:37:16,985 --> 00:37:18,820 You want it to be seamless, 759 00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:21,197 and you don't know what to expect. 760 00:37:21,281 --> 00:37:24,159 As an agent, you know, you wanna carry a gun 761 00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:26,202 and wear a bulletproof vest. 762 00:37:26,286 --> 00:37:28,580 But in a situation like this, an undercover operation, 763 00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:30,206 that may be too much risk. 764 00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:32,792 You can wear an ankle holster and then, you know, 765 00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:34,085 and then you sit down in a chair, 766 00:37:34,169 --> 00:37:35,837 and somebody sees it, so... 767 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,591 You had that little extra antenna going up to make sure 768 00:37:39,674 --> 00:37:42,635 you don't say anything or do anything 769 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,138 that would trigger their suspect to look at you 770 00:37:45,221 --> 00:37:47,682 crossways and go, "Oh, hmm..." 771 00:37:48,850 --> 00:37:50,477 I had butterflies in my stomach. 772 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,855 I was nervous about not wrecking the investigation. 773 00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:56,399 You know, I really wanted to make sure I did a good job, 774 00:37:56,483 --> 00:37:58,943 that I wasn't causing any suspicion. 775 00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:02,155 It's an adrenaline that happens through your system. 776 00:38:02,238 --> 00:38:05,283 You know, you feel fully awake and alive. 777 00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:08,536 She was very nervous, and I'm like, 778 00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:10,121 "You talk to these people all the time, right?" 779 00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:11,790 "Well, yeah, but not like this." 780 00:38:11,873 --> 00:38:13,541 And I go, "There's not like this. 781 00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:16,252 "You don't know anything about our investigation. 782 00:38:16,336 --> 00:38:18,254 They don't either, so forget about that." 783 00:38:18,338 --> 00:38:19,589 She's laughing, like, 784 00:38:19,672 --> 00:38:21,508 "How am I supposed to forget about that?", right? 785 00:38:21,591 --> 00:38:23,092 And I said, "You got to forget about that 786 00:38:23,176 --> 00:38:25,637 and just do what you normally do." 787 00:38:26,554 --> 00:38:28,431 "We're very close to the exit. We know where it is. 788 00:38:28,515 --> 00:38:30,767 "Just stay as close as you can 789 00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:32,852 'cause I don't know what to expect." 790 00:38:32,936 --> 00:38:36,105 Any civilian that you bring in, you're gonna tell them, 791 00:38:36,189 --> 00:38:39,192 "We have a team. There's always a team outside. 792 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:44,906 "If anything happens, they'll be there immediately 793 00:38:44,989 --> 00:38:47,450 to make sure you're safe and secure." 794 00:38:47,534 --> 00:38:50,286 We have distress calls, things like that. 795 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:53,706 So if the undercover agent says a certain word, you know, 796 00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:56,209 "I feel like a terrible flu is coming on," 797 00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:58,253 something's really gone wrong; we got a problem. 798 00:38:59,921 --> 00:39:03,258 And so they went to his home. 799 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,969 They came in... 800 00:39:06,052 --> 00:39:09,472 and so you have the FBI agents, unbeknownst to Mr. Hoover, 801 00:39:09,556 --> 00:39:11,641 with the cameras on their shoulder. 802 00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:14,060 If we were set up to record 803 00:39:14,143 --> 00:39:17,480 pretty much anything, we would hit the record button. 804 00:39:17,564 --> 00:39:19,440 You never know what you're gonna capture. 805 00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:22,318 Always gold when they don't know it. 806 00:39:22,402 --> 00:39:25,196 The greatest thing in the world about all this 807 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,489 is what? 808 00:39:26,573 --> 00:39:28,199 We had a camera rolling. 809 00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:36,499 What was that? 810 00:39:36,583 --> 00:39:37,667 You think you could take that 811 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:38,960 to your local bank to cash? 812 00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:41,337 - I doubt it. - I doubt it. 813 00:39:41,421 --> 00:39:42,881 We'll do this at the end. 814 00:39:42,964 --> 00:39:45,717 Amy, she, you know, worked her McDonald's magic, 815 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,888 and she had all this confetti popper stuff 816 00:39:49,971 --> 00:39:51,806 and the big check. 817 00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:53,850 We never know whenever we get a call from Amy 818 00:39:53,933 --> 00:39:56,227 sort of where we're gonna... it's always good to find out 819 00:39:56,311 --> 00:39:58,980 where she always takes us to a different area. 820 00:39:59,063 --> 00:40:00,356 A good surprise. 821 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,734 Yeah, that's definitely childproof. 822 00:40:02,817 --> 00:40:04,819 I mean, it's big check. 823 00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:07,447 I think it was taller than her, actually. 824 00:40:08,615 --> 00:40:11,117 Everything had to seem very natural. 825 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,120 It had to seem like we had done this a million times. 826 00:40:14,203 --> 00:40:16,372 We made sure that I always called Doug, "Doug" 827 00:40:16,456 --> 00:40:18,041 and not "Agent Mathews," 828 00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:19,626 because it would have been really bad if suddenly 829 00:40:19,709 --> 00:40:22,128 I was like, "Uh, Agent Mathews, can you go do this?" 830 00:40:22,211 --> 00:40:25,506 Amy was really nervous, the whole time. 831 00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:28,051 So... which was good. 832 00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:29,552 It was healthy to be that way, 833 00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:32,055 'cause I told her I was too, and I wasn't... you know, 834 00:40:32,138 --> 00:40:33,056 I wasn't lying to her. 835 00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:35,224 She's used to this; I'm not. 836 00:40:35,308 --> 00:40:37,393 Even though I said, "Oh, I got this," right? 837 00:40:37,477 --> 00:40:41,022 She had no idea that I had never done this before, 838 00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:42,065 but I loved it. 839 00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,108 - There's Mr. Monopoly. - There he is! 840 00:40:44,192 --> 00:40:46,444 - All right. - It's gotta be sinking in now. 841 00:40:46,527 --> 00:40:48,237 Now it's official, Ronald McDonald, 842 00:40:48,321 --> 00:40:50,531 the official signature. 843 00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:55,203 Doug Mathews could talk to a wall and get it to respond. 844 00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:57,705 You know, he's got that little bit of a Southern drawl 845 00:40:57,789 --> 00:40:59,374 and everybody sort of likes him. 846 00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:01,918 He's the, "Oh, gosh darn, you won." 847 00:41:02,669 --> 00:41:04,295 There was no risk that somebody's gonna think, 848 00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:06,005 "Well, this guy is an FBI agent, 849 00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:07,757 and this is an undercover operation." 850 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,926 I mean, nobody... 851 00:41:10,009 --> 00:41:13,699 no FBI agent laughs as much as this guy does. 852 00:41:13,724 --> 00:41:16,288 I go, "Wow, this really looks like there's... 853 00:41:16,313 --> 00:41:17,830 it's had a woman's touch here." 854 00:41:17,855 --> 00:41:20,937 I mean, it was all this plaid... just, this shit. 855 00:41:22,566 --> 00:41:25,319 Which is probably why I did it. 856 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,860 And, you know, I said all kinds of stuff, I was... 857 00:41:27,944 --> 00:41:30,989 again, I was trying to, you know, move this out, 858 00:41:31,072 --> 00:41:32,615 make everybody seem real comfortable 859 00:41:32,699 --> 00:41:35,404 with uncomfortable things, which is what I'm good at. 860 00:41:38,454 --> 00:41:40,456 Tell us the story about how you won 861 00:41:40,540 --> 00:41:42,125 at the Monopoly game, everything like that, 862 00:41:42,208 --> 00:41:43,167 in your own words. 863 00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:44,293 Okay. 864 00:41:44,377 --> 00:41:46,129 Um... 865 00:41:46,212 --> 00:41:47,588 day started out pretty peaceful. 866 00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:48,589 It was a day off, 867 00:41:48,673 --> 00:41:50,842 and I went to the beach for a while. 868 00:41:50,925 --> 00:41:54,345 I ended up actually falling asleep at the beach. 869 00:41:54,429 --> 00:41:57,390 And when I woke up, the wind had come up 870 00:41:57,473 --> 00:41:59,392 and I was covered with sand... 871 00:41:59,475 --> 00:42:00,977 not a lot, but a little bit of sand... 872 00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:03,980 and I picked up my belongings, and I headed down 873 00:42:04,063 --> 00:42:06,315 to the water there to kind of wash my legs off 874 00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,485 with the sand, and I was a little klutzy. 875 00:42:09,569 --> 00:42:11,904 The "People" magazine... 876 00:42:11,988 --> 00:42:14,782 and my towel fell out of the backpack, 877 00:42:14,866 --> 00:42:17,618 fell into the water, and got all wet. 878 00:42:17,702 --> 00:42:20,663 I ended up, uh... throwing those away 879 00:42:20,747 --> 00:42:22,206 on the way to the car, 880 00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:24,167 and then after... 881 00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:26,210 I was coming home, I decided to stop and get 882 00:42:26,294 --> 00:42:28,337 provisions for dinner. 883 00:42:28,421 --> 00:42:31,716 So I stopped at the McQuade's Supermarket 884 00:42:31,799 --> 00:42:33,509 and picked up a few things, 885 00:42:33,593 --> 00:42:35,928 and I had never got a chance to read the magazine. 886 00:42:36,012 --> 00:42:37,805 And they... there it was right there 887 00:42:37,889 --> 00:42:39,891 at the checkout stand, so I bought one. 888 00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:41,893 And when I got home, I was leafing through it, 889 00:42:41,976 --> 00:42:45,772 and we had the McDonald's Monopoly game, 890 00:42:45,855 --> 00:42:48,608 and it had instant prize winners on it... 891 00:42:48,691 --> 00:42:50,902 or they had the quick pick, whatever you call 'em. 892 00:42:50,985 --> 00:42:52,612 I don't know what they're called. 893 00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:55,531 Uh, and the first one I peeled off, I believe, 894 00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:56,824 was Pennsylvania Avenue. 895 00:42:56,908 --> 00:42:58,576 And the second one I peeled off 896 00:42:58,659 --> 00:43:00,328 was a million-dollar instant prize winner, 897 00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:03,206 and it was like, "Wow, is this for real?" 898 00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:06,292 And then I, uh... followed the directions 899 00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:10,129 and made the calls and talked to the people, and, uh... 900 00:43:10,213 --> 00:43:11,506 it was for real. 901 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,299 Amy's just used to getting the story. 902 00:43:13,382 --> 00:43:14,884 But for me, I'm putting legs to that. 903 00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:19,055 And he was mentioning some grocery story, and so I go, 904 00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:21,724 "Which one? Is it right here?" 905 00:43:21,808 --> 00:43:23,184 "Hey, can you take us there?" 906 00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:24,602 He goes, "Sure." 907 00:43:24,685 --> 00:43:26,437 You know, he's feeding off the energy part. 908 00:43:26,521 --> 00:43:28,397 No, I wasn't about to stop that. 909 00:43:28,481 --> 00:43:30,942 That was great. It's a field trip, right? 910 00:43:32,985 --> 00:43:35,029 I'm getting calls, "The fuck are you doing?" 911 00:43:35,113 --> 00:43:37,198 "I mean, why are you... what?" This is, like, 912 00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:40,243 "Are you adlibbing?" And I'd go, "Hey, Jan." 913 00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:41,619 My camera guy, right? 914 00:43:41,702 --> 00:43:42,578 Can you get this?" 915 00:43:42,662 --> 00:43:44,080 "Yeah, I can get it." 916 00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:50,378 Doug struck me as one of the new breed of agents 917 00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:53,297 who thinks outside the box, if you will. 918 00:43:53,381 --> 00:43:56,884 But he was gung-ho from the get-go. 919 00:43:58,594 --> 00:44:01,639 This is where I got the, uh, "People" magazine. 920 00:44:01,722 --> 00:44:04,934 And inside we had the Monopoly game 921 00:44:05,017 --> 00:44:07,228 with the instant $1 million winner, 922 00:44:07,311 --> 00:44:11,065 and it was great; it's fantastic! 923 00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:12,483 - Great! - Got it, okay. 924 00:44:12,567 --> 00:44:15,778 He's telling us how he won the prize, all the BS. 925 00:44:15,862 --> 00:44:17,947 His was a magazine-type thing which, at the time 926 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:19,824 I didn't even know. I'm looking over, I go, 927 00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:22,451 "Really? I thought you got this off the packages." 928 00:44:22,535 --> 00:44:24,537 And Amy's like, "Did you read any of that 929 00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:25,705 shit I sent you?" 930 00:44:25,788 --> 00:44:28,541 Right, and I go, "Of course I did." 931 00:44:28,624 --> 00:44:30,293 Which I may have glossed over. 932 00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:32,712 So I go, "Hey, what'd you do with the money?" 933 00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:34,463 Why? Because I want to go 934 00:44:34,547 --> 00:44:35,965 seize that stuff, right? 935 00:44:36,048 --> 00:44:38,217 And he's like, "I'm buying a boat." 936 00:44:38,301 --> 00:44:39,802 And so I go, "What name 937 00:44:39,886 --> 00:44:41,345 would you have on the back of your boat?" 938 00:44:41,429 --> 00:44:44,849 And he was like, "Ruthless Scoundrel." 939 00:44:44,932 --> 00:44:46,017 One, two, three! 940 00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:47,810 Thanks, McDonald's. 941 00:44:47,894 --> 00:44:50,563 Hey! 942 00:44:51,647 --> 00:44:53,983 So I'm reenacting that, right, and I go, 943 00:44:54,066 --> 00:44:56,277 "So, Michael, you were on the beach?" 944 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,446 "Yes, and it's right here. It's this beach." 945 00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:00,990 And I go, "Really? Take us to it." 946 00:45:01,073 --> 00:45:03,993 And I didn't care what that meant to my camera guy, right? 947 00:45:04,076 --> 00:45:06,579 He's like, "Are you... fuck, are you kidding me? 948 00:45:06,662 --> 00:45:08,915 I gotta... the damn beach?" 949 00:45:08,998 --> 00:45:10,833 There's always somebody 950 00:45:10,917 --> 00:45:13,669 that could respond tactically, if needed. 951 00:45:13,753 --> 00:45:16,923 But if something went south, 952 00:45:17,006 --> 00:45:19,258 between the time something went south 953 00:45:19,342 --> 00:45:20,968 and the time they got there... 954 00:45:26,182 --> 00:45:28,768 Don't do anything stupid. 955 00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:32,480 Doug, you know, he was a professional, 956 00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:34,273 but he also did like to have fun. 957 00:45:34,357 --> 00:45:36,525 So he loved to tease me 958 00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:38,319 and kept me on my toes. 959 00:45:38,402 --> 00:45:40,196 This is what makes my fun meter go. 960 00:45:40,279 --> 00:45:42,281 Amy's back there going, "Look at these shoes I have," 961 00:45:42,365 --> 00:45:43,991 and I'm not looking at shit like that. 962 00:45:44,075 --> 00:45:45,701 I mean, "Take your high heels... why are you wearing 963 00:45:45,785 --> 00:45:46,661 high heels anyway?" 964 00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:47,745 And she's like, "Are you..." 965 00:45:47,828 --> 00:45:50,122 you know, she was getting on to me about, 966 00:45:50,206 --> 00:45:51,999 "Hey, can you plan this better?" 967 00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:53,084 But I didn't know. 968 00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:54,460 Can you get enough sound 969 00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:55,962 if he tells the story one more time? 970 00:45:56,045 --> 00:45:57,421 You need it? 971 00:45:57,505 --> 00:45:59,131 - We could try it. - Okay. 972 00:45:59,215 --> 00:46:01,801 Anybody noticing you yet? 973 00:46:01,884 --> 00:46:03,219 Not really. 974 00:46:03,302 --> 00:46:04,971 Good. 975 00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:09,141 When Doug's at the house, 976 00:46:09,225 --> 00:46:11,018 it was a controlled environment. 977 00:46:11,102 --> 00:46:12,645 When you're out in the real world, 978 00:46:12,728 --> 00:46:14,230 there's nothing controlled. 979 00:46:14,313 --> 00:46:16,023 You're always a little worried 980 00:46:16,107 --> 00:46:19,860 the operation and the case could be compromised. 981 00:46:19,944 --> 00:46:22,947 Uh, this is where I lost my "People" magazine. 982 00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:25,116 I'm glad that after the beach I stopped 983 00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,243 and picked up another one because when I did, 984 00:46:27,326 --> 00:46:29,996 I found the McDonald's Monopoly Game, 985 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,623 $1 million instant prize winner. 986 00:46:32,707 --> 00:46:34,500 - Great. - Okay, good. 987 00:46:34,583 --> 00:46:37,086 Obviously, you know, this was Doug's very first 988 00:46:37,169 --> 00:46:40,589 undercover, and so you'd wanna try to keep him 989 00:46:40,673 --> 00:46:44,260 under control, keep him sedated, 990 00:46:44,343 --> 00:46:45,428 so to speak. 991 00:46:45,511 --> 00:46:47,138 They don't make it easy. 992 00:46:47,221 --> 00:46:49,265 So I'm like, "Man, I got plenty. 993 00:46:49,348 --> 00:46:50,433 I got enough." 994 00:46:50,516 --> 00:46:52,310 Can I do a couple of artsy things, 995 00:46:52,393 --> 00:46:54,854 okay, real quick? 996 00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:57,148 Hey. 997 00:46:57,231 --> 00:46:59,108 You know, he'd stand there smiling, and you know, 998 00:46:59,191 --> 00:47:00,609 you're doing all this artsy stuff, 999 00:47:00,693 --> 00:47:04,905 and then some kid ran up and grabbed the check. 1000 00:47:04,989 --> 00:47:06,991 To run away with it. 1001 00:47:07,742 --> 00:47:10,328 Like, I'm gonna let this evidence just walk? 1002 00:47:10,411 --> 00:47:11,287 No way. 1003 00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,205 And I'm trucking down the beach... 1004 00:47:13,289 --> 00:47:16,625 And it's like, "Dude, it's not real." 1005 00:47:16,709 --> 00:47:17,626 It was bad news. 1006 00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:20,087 That's not a good problem to have, 1007 00:47:20,171 --> 00:47:21,297 being an undercover agent. 1008 00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:23,299 And this guy is hammered. 1009 00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:24,592 Fortunately, he's running, like, 1010 00:47:24,675 --> 00:47:27,845 in a zigzag, so it's easy to catch. 1011 00:47:27,928 --> 00:47:30,639 This kid, he was, like, full of sand in his mouth 1012 00:47:30,723 --> 00:47:33,100 and crap and I'm like, "Dude..." 1013 00:47:34,727 --> 00:47:36,645 "I don't know what I'm gonna do with all this sand." 1014 00:47:36,729 --> 00:47:40,316 And he's like, "Man, I just saw, like, 1015 00:47:40,399 --> 00:47:43,819 "all those zeros and thought... 1016 00:47:43,903 --> 00:47:45,154 I'm just gonna go take it." 1017 00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:46,947 And I can't even remember where he wandered off, 1018 00:47:47,031 --> 00:47:49,742 but he was out of there; we never saw him again. 1019 00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:53,287 Sometimes on a case, 1020 00:47:53,371 --> 00:47:55,873 being lucky is better than being good. 1021 00:47:55,956 --> 00:47:59,668 No Asics, no nothing, and we still caught that dude, 1022 00:47:59,752 --> 00:48:02,004 of course, he was hammered, and we were not. 1023 00:48:02,088 --> 00:48:04,298 And we did get the check back. 1024 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,643 It worked great. Amy was phenomenal. 1025 00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:20,106 And I'm like, "Man, undercover is awesome." 1026 00:48:24,568 --> 00:48:27,446 Turned out it really tickled our wire up. 1027 00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:30,324 Michael Hoover would be on the phones 1028 00:48:30,408 --> 00:48:31,617 which is great, because then we were listening 1029 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:32,910 to that and recording it. 1030 00:48:32,993 --> 00:48:34,703 You know, again, it got him comfortable. 1031 00:48:34,787 --> 00:48:36,831 It actually worked. You know, all that works. 1032 00:48:41,168 --> 00:48:43,379 At that time, I was here in Jacksonville 1033 00:48:43,462 --> 00:48:45,714 in the... what we call wire room. 1034 00:48:45,798 --> 00:48:48,592 We were listening in for what we hoped to be 1035 00:48:48,676 --> 00:48:52,555 a telephone call to this Uncle Jerry. 1036 00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:55,599 And immediately there's a phone call 1037 00:48:55,683 --> 00:48:58,811 by Mr. Hoover to Mr. Glomb down in South Florida. 1038 00:49:00,813 --> 00:49:02,898 We were up on three or four phones. 1039 00:49:02,982 --> 00:49:05,818 One was this guy, Andrew Glomb. 1040 00:49:05,901 --> 00:49:09,905 I mean, Andrew Glomb was the guy with a checkered past. 1041 00:49:09,989 --> 00:49:12,283 He had previously convicted for some drug charges 1042 00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:14,577 on the federal side with the DEA. 1043 00:49:15,744 --> 00:49:17,496 He had been in a drug trafficking thing. 1044 00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:20,332 He was a fugitive for a while, eventually got arrested, 1045 00:49:20,416 --> 00:49:23,252 and he did some time. 1046 00:49:23,335 --> 00:49:26,755 And so, Mr. Hoover had called Mr. Glomb. 1047 00:49:26,839 --> 00:49:29,175 - Ring, ring. - Ring, ring. 1048 00:49:29,258 --> 00:49:31,886 "Hello?" "Yeah, Andy." 1049 00:49:31,969 --> 00:49:33,345 That's Andy Glomb. 1050 00:49:33,429 --> 00:49:36,307 "Andy, they were here. They believed everything. 1051 00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:38,934 "Everything I told them about the winning the ticket 1052 00:49:39,018 --> 00:49:41,103 on that 'People' magazine." 1053 00:49:41,187 --> 00:49:43,939 "And I was telling them, 'I did this, and I did that.'" 1054 00:49:44,023 --> 00:49:47,151 And at the very same time, I'm on my cell phone 1055 00:49:47,234 --> 00:49:49,278 talking to Doug Mathews 1056 00:49:49,361 --> 00:49:51,405 and telling him, "Listen to this." 1057 00:49:52,865 --> 00:49:55,451 The feeling from him on the phone call was, 1058 00:49:55,534 --> 00:49:57,620 "Man, I got them snowed, they bel..." 1059 00:49:57,703 --> 00:49:58,954 you know, it was that... it was that... 1060 00:49:59,038 --> 00:50:00,623 I mean, it was perfect. 1061 00:50:00,706 --> 00:50:02,750 It's exactly what you're after. 1062 00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:04,627 He's talking, "Man, you're not gonna believe it. 1063 00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:07,630 "This director asked about the name of my boat 1064 00:50:07,713 --> 00:50:09,798 and I said, 'Ruthless Scoundrel.'" 1065 00:50:09,882 --> 00:50:11,467 And they're just laughing on the phone, 1066 00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:14,929 how much... how funny that was to them because they knew 1067 00:50:15,012 --> 00:50:18,682 they had lied and had stolen this money from McDonald's. 1068 00:50:18,766 --> 00:50:22,520 In that call, effectively what he's doing is confirming 1069 00:50:22,603 --> 00:50:26,649 beyond any doubt that, you know, he didn't win it. 1070 00:50:29,568 --> 00:50:31,820 It just doesn't get any better than that. 1071 00:50:31,904 --> 00:50:33,489 It's like high fives. 1072 00:50:33,572 --> 00:50:36,450 That was why you get up on these wiretaps. 1073 00:50:36,534 --> 00:50:38,410 So we're hearing how they did it. 1074 00:50:41,747 --> 00:50:45,334 At the time, we didn't know how big this was. 1075 00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:47,753 We knew of some, but we didn't know it all. 1076 00:50:47,836 --> 00:50:51,882 It was amazing to me how little we did know. 1077 00:51:06,272 --> 00:51:10,067 The spider web of all... like, we had this Uncle Jerry. 1078 00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:12,653 Everything was very general, nebulous. 1079 00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:15,030 We still didn't know, you got to remember, like, 1080 00:51:15,114 --> 00:51:18,158 we still didn't know who this Jerry person was, 1081 00:51:18,242 --> 00:51:19,868 if there even was a Jerry. 1082 00:51:19,952 --> 00:51:23,038 So all of the newer agents, we were on the wiretaps 1083 00:51:23,122 --> 00:51:26,667 to find out more about the depths of this scheme. 1084 00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:28,627 Back then I was a new agent, 1085 00:51:28,711 --> 00:51:31,505 and my first assignment when I was brought in 1086 00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:33,757 was to work the wire. 1087 00:51:34,925 --> 00:51:38,178 The Title III has to be monitored full-time, 24/7. 1088 00:51:38,262 --> 00:51:39,888 You hear the phone call, you grab your headset, 1089 00:51:39,972 --> 00:51:42,474 you put it on, you listen to the call. 1090 00:51:42,558 --> 00:51:44,268 We're listening in the wire room 1091 00:51:44,351 --> 00:51:46,854 and I'm hearing, you know, the name Uncle Jerry 1092 00:51:46,937 --> 00:51:49,189 thrown around on the phone. 1093 00:51:49,273 --> 00:51:50,858 "Uncle Jerry, Uncle Jerry. 1094 00:51:50,941 --> 00:51:54,737 You don't wanna make Uncle Jerry upset." 1095 00:51:54,820 --> 00:51:57,740 Well, I do remember clearly feeling like 1096 00:51:57,823 --> 00:52:00,534 I was in New York and I was listening to a mobster 1097 00:52:00,618 --> 00:52:02,911 talking about running his mafia empire, 1098 00:52:02,995 --> 00:52:06,457 some mafia don, 'cause that's kind of how this guy came off. 1099 00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,919 So we had to find Uncle Jerry. 1100 00:52:11,003 --> 00:52:13,130 I mean, how do you do that? 1101 00:52:19,136 --> 00:52:21,263 We did an analysis 1102 00:52:21,347 --> 00:52:24,850 of phone records from past winners. 1103 00:52:24,933 --> 00:52:27,770 You look for that common number. 1104 00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:29,897 We knew when they won the prizes, what year, 1105 00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:33,776 and we could probably cord it off to a month, so I think... 1106 00:52:33,859 --> 00:52:36,612 I think we backed up two and went forward two. 1107 00:52:39,198 --> 00:52:43,118 And we went and pulled the phone numbers coming in 1108 00:52:43,202 --> 00:52:46,372 and going out for this period of time. 1109 00:52:49,958 --> 00:52:52,461 Lo and behold, each of their phone numbers 1110 00:52:52,544 --> 00:52:54,630 were calling common numbers. 1111 00:52:54,713 --> 00:52:59,885 We saw the activity heavy coming in right before 1112 00:52:59,968 --> 00:53:01,970 the prize was awarded or claimed, 1113 00:53:02,054 --> 00:53:04,556 and then heavy right after it, and then nothing. 1114 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,183 And then none of them were related; 1115 00:53:06,266 --> 00:53:08,143 they didn't know each other. 1116 00:53:08,227 --> 00:53:10,813 All were hitting that number. 1117 00:53:17,736 --> 00:53:21,657 All these phone calls include one person... 1118 00:53:23,325 --> 00:53:25,619 Jerome Jacobson. 1119 00:53:25,703 --> 00:53:27,705 Also known as... 1120 00:53:27,788 --> 00:53:29,164 Jerry Jacobson. 1121 00:53:29,248 --> 00:53:33,585 The absolute head of security for Simon Marketing. 1122 00:54:31,477 --> 00:54:33,896 There was a wide net of individuals who were willing 1123 00:54:33,979 --> 00:54:36,064 to participate in this fraud scheme. 1124 00:54:37,232 --> 00:54:40,110 It got really big, really fast. 1125 00:54:40,652 --> 00:54:42,779 There was one nagging question mark... 1126 00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:45,741 Who is Uncle Jerry? 1127 00:54:47,201 --> 00:54:49,286 We were racking up incredible evidence 1128 00:54:49,369 --> 00:54:50,746 and discovering new people. 1129 00:54:51,788 --> 00:54:54,833 We found out that there was another Jerry involved in this. 1130 00:54:55,125 --> 00:54:57,127 He took this little, small operation, 1131 00:54:57,211 --> 00:54:58,712 and made it huge. 1132 00:54:59,838 --> 00:55:02,841 As soon as I got that check, things changed. 1133 00:55:03,884 --> 00:55:06,094 "You gonna ride with us, and you gonna do what we say. 1134 00:55:06,303 --> 00:55:07,429 And you gonna do it right." 1135 00:55:07,513 --> 00:55:10,849 I'm not a dumb person, but I did a dumb thing. 1136 00:55:11,183 --> 00:55:13,936 No one can stand in front of a mirror and say 1137 00:55:14,019 --> 00:55:15,646 they've never done something... 1138 00:55:16,188 --> 00:55:18,065 that they wish they could take back. 1139 00:55:18,690 --> 00:55:21,193 I'mma lay all my cards on the table and tell everything. 1140 00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:25,405 We were just building the puzzle from all the pieces. 1141 00:55:26,657 --> 00:55:28,116 We started finding other middle-men. 1142 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,578 The money got too big to not take a bigger piece of that pie. 1143 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,040 It could've been a possible hit to get him out of the situation. 1144 00:55:35,707 --> 00:55:37,918 A little teardrop came down my face. 1145 00:55:38,001 --> 00:55:40,546 I thought, "I'm never gonna get out of this." 92146

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