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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,900 I forget, what were you saying there, Tony? 2 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:20,000 I was getting at this... I was getting at the process. 3 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,500 Oh, the creative life not being enough. Yeah. 4 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:25,200 So, by the time I was 30... 5 00:00:28,300 --> 00:00:32,200 Well, I was thinking of all these things because they seemed to be... 6 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:36,400 So this was what was holding society together. 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:41,500 These imperfect ideas of how people connect 8 00:00:41,500 --> 00:00:44,000 and relate to one another, or don't. And... 9 00:00:46,300 --> 00:00:48,900 So I want to be a part of that. 10 00:00:48,900 --> 00:00:51,300 I don't want to just be outside, looking in, 11 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:53,500 I don't just want to be a commentator, I just don't 12 00:00:53,500 --> 00:00:58,000 want to be the audience, I don't want to be the observer. 13 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,600 You know, I want to be an active part of it in some way. 14 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,300 And so it was a lot of what I was telling myself on The River. 15 00:01:07,300 --> 00:01:10,700 Ties that bind. Well, how do you make that? 16 00:01:10,700 --> 00:01:13,400 How does that happen? You know? 17 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:16,800 How do people come together, fall apart? 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,400 How do... You know? I want to be a player. 19 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,500 You know? And... In... 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,800 So, I think, up to that point in my life, 21 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,000 I really hadn't had the courage to do that. 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Or I tried and failed so quickly that, you know, 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,600 it didn't add up, so... 24 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,800 Part of The River was trying to find the courage to put my feet in, 25 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,000 jump in with both feet and... 26 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:51,900 ..experience those things myself. 27 00:01:59,900 --> 00:02:03,600 ♫ I went out walking the other day 28 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,700 ♫ Seen a little girl crying along the way 29 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:17,500 ♫ She'd been hurt so bad, said she'd never love again 30 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,200 ♫ Someday you're crying, girl, will end 31 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:29,600 ♫ And you'll find once again 32 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,100 ♫ Two hearts are better than one 33 00:02:33,100 --> 00:02:36,800 ♫ Two hearts, girl, get the job done 34 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,000 ♫ Two hearts are better than one 35 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:47,200 ♫ Once I spent my time playing tough guy scenes 36 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,200 ♫ But I was living in a world of childish dreams 37 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,300 ♫ Someday these childish dreams must end 38 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,500 ♫ To become a man and grow up to dream again 39 00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:13,000 ♫ Now I believe in the end 40 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,500 ♫ Two hearts are better than one 41 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:20,300 ♫ Two hearts, girl, get the job done 42 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:23,200 ♫ Two hearts are better than one 43 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:29,600 ♫ Sometimes it might seem like it was planned 44 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:34,400 ♫ For you to roam empty hearted through this land 45 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,900 ♫ Though the world turns you hard and cold 46 00:03:37,900 --> 00:03:40,700 ♫ There's one thing that I know 47 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,400 ♫ That's if you think your heart is stone 48 00:03:51,700 --> 00:03:56,100 ♫ And you're rough enough to whip this world alone 49 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,800 ♫ Alone, buddy, there ain't no peace of mind 50 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:11,000 ♫ That's why I'll keep searching till I find 51 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,500 ♫ My special one 52 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:19,000 ♫ Two hearts are better than one 53 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,800 ♫ Two hearts, girl, get the job done 54 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,600 ♫ Two hearts are better than one 55 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,500 ♫ Now I believe 56 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:33,800 ♫ Two hearts are better than one 57 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,600 ♫ Two hearts, girl, get the job done 58 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:42,600 ♫ Two hearts are better... 59 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,600 ♫ Better than one. ♫ 60 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,000 We'd moved to a large farmhouse in... 61 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,500 on Telegraph Hill Road in Holmdel, New Jersey. 62 00:05:15,100 --> 00:05:18,500 It sat on 160 acres of land. 63 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:23,600 I think I paid 700 bucks a month rent on it, that's what I remember. 64 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,400 And so I started to write there for The River. 65 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:38,600 Living in the country was this very bucolic landscape. 66 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,000 There was a lot of ruralness in the certainly in The River, 67 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,900 in the song The River. But I think sprinkled throughout the record. 68 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,400 Darkness, I have to say, that was kind of the Samurai record, 69 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,000 that was a record where there was a lot of isolation on it. 70 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,800 The River, I was trying to move my characters back towards, 71 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,100 towards the mainstream, I guess. 72 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:06,900 I wanted to write for my age, you know? I... 73 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:11,500 And really that started very consciously with Darkness 74 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:14,600 and continued through The River. 75 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,800 I was moving forward, but in a funny way 76 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,200 I was being inspired by things older than rock music at the time. 77 00:06:23,100 --> 00:06:27,800 And that was where I was finding a lot of the commonality and content. 78 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,500 You know, was in music that was older than rock music. 79 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:35,700 So I blended those two things, you know, I blended that 80 00:06:35,700 --> 00:06:39,300 sensibility with the excitement of what I did with the band. 81 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,000 I was listening to quite a bit of classic country. 82 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Roy Acuff and of course Johnny Cash and George Jones, 83 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,300 Tammy Wynette. I just loved it, and I felt that, 84 00:06:55,300 --> 00:06:58,400 you know, I felt the sympathy of it was set generally. 85 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,000 Once again, it was kind of small-town music and rural music. 86 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000 But it also had adult concerns, 87 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,400 and I think I was interested in going there. 88 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,400 I dedicate this one to Max and Becky. 89 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:18,200 Come on, boys. 90 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:42,400 We used to all sit on the tour bus 91 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:47,000 and bet who was going to get married first. 92 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,300 And everybody would always be saying, "Not me!" 93 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:56,900 What about you? 94 00:07:56,900 --> 00:07:59,800 - No way. - Nobody to marry? 95 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,700 No. What about you, big man? 96 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,800 When you got to go, you got to go. 97 00:08:11,900 --> 00:08:16,700 You got to understand that the band at the time was not very grown-up. 98 00:08:16,700 --> 00:08:22,200 That... In the sense that people were just starting to get married 99 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:27,200 and have their kids. So you forget we were still a bunch of kids. 100 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,200 And my family was gone, they were in California. 101 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,100 I wasn't much in touch with the rest of my family in New Jersey. 102 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:36,700 So there was the band. 103 00:08:36,700 --> 00:08:39,400 You had your little, you know, rat pack, 104 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,800 and it was still very much the lost boys, you know? 105 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,800 By the time you're 30, you are... 106 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:50,300 You know, you have a clock that is ticking, 107 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:53,100 you are definitely operating in the adult world. 108 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:58,200 And I know I was... 109 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,300 ..thinking about all these things by that time. 110 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:07,400 Relationships, they're a success, they're a failure. 111 00:09:09,300 --> 00:09:12,100 And because of my own personal history. 112 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,900 It was a mystery to me how people 113 00:09:17,900 --> 00:09:19,400 were successful at... 114 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,500 ..at those things. 115 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,000 And really, the writer's life is sort of 116 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,400 excavating those mysteries. 117 00:10:06,500 --> 00:10:09,800 Working just with the acoustic guitar and a cassette tape 118 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,200 on a beatbox, you know. 119 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,800 I would simply sit with the cassette, 120 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,400 rewind it over and over and over and over and over and sit there 121 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,200 with my notebook and try to sing some successful lyrics on top of it. 122 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:29,600 The idea being, I would write all the songs and spare us studio time 123 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,200 and I would have a relatively good idea of what I was doing 124 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,800 before I went in. 125 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,100 ♫ Beneath a street light too much fighting in the night 126 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:43,400 ♫ Baby sitting here cause chain lightning... ♫ 127 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,700 When the band comes to the house, it's our usual rehearsal situation. 128 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:51,000 In other words, I have a variety of specific parts 129 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,900 that I want the guys to play. 130 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:57,300 We learned those first and then the guys kind of add their, you know, 131 00:10:57,300 --> 00:11:02,300 their flourishes as the rehearsal goes by and we'll see what works. 132 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:13,000 Beatbox always sounds great. 133 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,200 It's all compressed and it's slashing 134 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,100 and smashing around and it always sounds exciting. 135 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,800 I'm making my demos on my old cassette player... 136 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:32,500 ..and I'm rehearsing the guys. 137 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:35,600 We're doing things like, a song called Night Fires, 138 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,900 The Man Who Got Away, a song called Under The Gun and those 139 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:42,600 are pretty exciting, musically. 140 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,300 So, I get about 13 or 14 of these things 141 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:49,200 and we decide it's time to try and make a record. 142 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,400 We go in and we cut the tracks and the tracks sound great 143 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,600 and I can't quite get the lyrics finished to them, you know, 144 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,500 which is a little unusual for me, but it happens. 145 00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:07,000 So, my band did a lot of that music and I move on. 146 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:13,200 I believe almost none of them worked out as realized pieces of music. 147 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,800 ♫ Sitting at the lights around midnight 148 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,300 ♫ Streaking lights and night 149 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:20,800 ♫ We're chain lightning... ♫ 150 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:26,600 I had a sense of what I could do, certainly what I wanted to do 151 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,000 and how broad I wanted the story I was telling, to be. 152 00:12:32,100 --> 00:12:35,600 And if I didn't get it, I just didn't sleep well at night. 153 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:36,800 It wasn't... 154 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,400 This is what I was doing. I wasn't doing anything else. 155 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,800 I was only doing... I only had music. 156 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:45,800 And if I wasn't doing that right, 157 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,300 I just didn't know what I was doing on the planet at the time. 158 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:06,000 You have a sense of your reach and you hope that you can get there. 159 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,900 You don't know. When I took the record back from the studio, 160 00:13:08,900 --> 00:13:13,200 I didn't know what record I was making. I was lost again. 161 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,100 I had to be willing to throw myself back into the wilderness. 162 00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:21,100 Hacking away, not knowing if I was going to get where I wanted to go. 163 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,600 People were also used to the records being difficult 164 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:42,300 and once we had Born To Run, they were all hard records to make. 165 00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:45,800 This is a continuation of the story of certain albums 166 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,600 and these were the days when we suffered tremendously trying 167 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,100 to gain the knowledge of how to make records. 168 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:56,000 Same thing on The River. 169 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,900 Now we're trying to make a different kind of record. 170 00:13:58,900 --> 00:14:01,500 How do we make that record? I don't know. 171 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:04,000 How do we get this snare to sound the way we want it to sound? 172 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,900 Once again, we don't know. 173 00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:09,300 How do we get the kind of mixes we want? Don't really know. 174 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:13,400 Once again, we were working outside the professional auspices 175 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,000 of the recording industry. 176 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,500 We hired ourselves and we knew we were going on an adventure 177 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:24,600 and a journey and a quest and when you got hired on, 178 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,500 that was the bar, that was the deal. 179 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:31,500 ♫ Love fueled not by the future 180 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:34,600 ♫ But by a past we could... ♫ 181 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:39,500 We were still in the process of carving out our identity. 182 00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:44,100 For most of my audience, they were still familiar with two records, 183 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:46,800 Born To Run and Darkness On The Edge Of Town, 184 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,800 so we were still carving out who we were 185 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:58,000 and I needed a record that I felt had a very, very strong identity. 186 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,800 ♫ I come from down in the valley 187 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:22,800 ♫ Where, mister, when you're young 188 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:30,700 ♫ They bring you up to do like your daddy done 189 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:34,700 ♫ Me and Mary we met in high school 190 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:39,700 ♫ When she was just 17 191 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:43,700 ♫ We'd ride out of this valley 192 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:47,400 ♫ Down to where the fields were green 193 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,800 ♫ We'd go down to the river 194 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,600 ♫ And into the river we'd dive 195 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:05,600 ♫ Oh down to the river we'd ride... 196 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,300 'I think the biggest change on The River was, 197 00:16:46,300 --> 00:16:50,500 'I started the narrative writing where I would inhabit a character.' 198 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,200 'With a very specific narrative story,' 199 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,000 I would sing in that voice, 200 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,900 a character, and it wasn't necessarily me. 201 00:17:00,900 --> 00:17:03,800 It was partly me and partly other people, so, of course, 202 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:09,400 The River, that was my touchstone for all of the writing that came later. 203 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,600 Where you simply step into a character's shoes 204 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,300 and try to get your listeners to walk in those shoes for a while. 205 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:24,000 The River was the key to the record in that it was a throwback to 206 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:29,200 older folk music and an older voice. It was a very adult voice. 207 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,400 It was a political voice in the sense that it was dealing with 208 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,600 the Carter recession and its effects on working people. 209 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:45,900 ♫ I got a job working construction for the Johnstown Company 210 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:53,600 ♫ But lately there ain't been much work on account of the economy 211 00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:58,500 ♫ Now all those things that seemed so important 212 00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:02,200 ♫ They vanished right into the air 213 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,500 ♫ I act like I don't remember 214 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,400 ♫ Mary acts like she don't care 215 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,900 ♫ I remember us driving in her brother's car 216 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:20,400 ♫ Her body tanned and wet down at the reservoir 217 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,900 ♫ At night on those banks I'd lie awake 218 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:29,200 ♫ Pull her close just to feel each breath she'd take 219 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,000 ♫ Now those memories come back to haunt me 220 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,600 ♫ Yeah, they haunted me like a curse 221 00:18:37,300 --> 00:18:42,200 ♫ Is a dream a lie if it don't come true 222 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,300 ♫ Or is it something worse 223 00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:50,300 ♫ That sends me down to the river 224 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:55,200 ♫ Though I know the river is dry 225 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:00,700 ♫ Sends me down to the river tonight... ♫ 226 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,400 I think the, 'I come from down in the valley,' 227 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:13,700 you're laying claim to that character's experience 228 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:17,600 and you're trying to do right by it, as a songwriter. 229 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,200 And you're taking the risk of singing in that voice. 230 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:24,300 But that's the writer's job. 231 00:19:24,300 --> 00:19:28,900 Your job is to faithfully imagine the world 232 00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:33,800 and others' lives in a way that respects them, sort of, 233 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:41,700 honors them and records them in your own way somewhat faithfully. 234 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:11,000 ♫ I pick you up with flowers when you get off work 235 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,600 ♫ It's like you don't even care it's like I'm some kind of joke 236 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,000 ♫ I take you out on a date and then you won't even kiss me 237 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,800 ♫ But when I... ♫ 238 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,500 The initial record of the River, we made it, we handed it into the 239 00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:30,000 record company, we took that record back and worked for another year. 240 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,800 It was good, but as I listened to it, it just didn't feel big enough. 241 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:41,200 It didn't have the room to let in all of those different colors. 242 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:46,200 On that particular record, I needed more time to let in all 243 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,400 the colors and the feelings that I wanted to let in. 244 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,000 It wasn't quite funky enough. 245 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,500 It wasn't quite... 246 00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:55,200 It didn't have the looseness that... 247 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,800 Darkness was a very tight, controlled record. 248 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,200 We wanted to go the other way with this record. 249 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,600 You know, the main thing we'd been continuing to hear was 250 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,000 the records were still not a exciting as the live show. 251 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,800 ♫ Hey, hey, hey 252 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,700 ♫ What do you say Sherry darling? ♫ 253 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:29,700 Let me try and solve that problem if I can. 254 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,500 This was the first record that Steve came in, officially, as producer. 255 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:41,400 We were looking for an antidote to some of the sterility of what 256 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,600 we thought that '70s recordings had at that time. 257 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,300 The noise that creates mystery was being squeezed 258 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:55,300 out of records for the purpose of gaining more control over the sound. 259 00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:58,200 It was a direction we didn't feel comfortable with. 260 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:05,100 The records we liked were noisy records, whether it's Hound Dog... 261 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:11,500 Dave Clark Five - Glad All Over, these were noisy, noisy records. 262 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:16,400 We need THAT now. We need the noise of our live show. 263 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,400 We got it off of Gary Bonds, you know, and 264 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,800 the party noises that were on the great Gary Bonds records, you know? 265 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:56,800 So we, sort of, took it from there and just said, 266 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,400 "Yeah, these records just sound like a house party." 267 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,900 We had four guys. 268 00:23:01,900 --> 00:23:06,300 Everybody was doing, once again, everybody was doing something, 269 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:07,400 you know. 270 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:13,400 Steve likes things to be kind of noisy and trashy and raw 271 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,400 and exciting, you know. 272 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,200 John enjoys the classical, sort of, formality. 273 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:24,200 He likes clean records that are very well focused and he and Steve played 274 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,400 off each other during this record, which is what I wanted them to do. 275 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,200 You know, it might have been a little difficult for the two of them, 276 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,500 but I wanted them to be... 277 00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:39,100 They're supposed to be at odds, to some degree. 278 00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:42,900 And so I would kind of set them up against one another and I would find 279 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:46,900 my happy medium where I wanted the needle to sit 280 00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:48,700 on this particular album. 281 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:55,000 That was the way I got the most out of the people that I had, you know. 282 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,500 John is somebody like... 283 00:23:56,500 --> 00:24:00,400 If I wrote something like The River, I'd play it for him, you know. 284 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,200 He would immediately, kind of, process it and say, 285 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,200 "This is different than your other songs because..." 286 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,500 That might then inspire me to go further in that direction. 287 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:19,400 Charlie continued his position as a great technical adviser on how 288 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,000 to get the kinds of sounds that we wanted to get. 289 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,800 So I said, "Charlie, I want to get something very explosive. 290 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,600 "Snare sound, I want the band to sound wild and kind of loose." 291 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,700 We wanted to go back to the days when had a limited amount of control 292 00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:34,500 over the ambience in the room, you know, 293 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:38,400 like when they recorded some of the Elvis things with a couple of mics. 294 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,400 Once again, we were going by... We were playing it by ear, 295 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,000 so some of those things worked out and some of those things 296 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,400 created problems in the end, but we didn't have any rules. 297 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,000 And we need, on this song, some slap back on the saxophone. 298 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,400 At least up here, a little bit. 299 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,800 A little effect on that saxophone. 300 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:03,400 We recorded and recorded and recorded and we were in the studio 301 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,500 day after day after day after day, you know. 302 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:10,100 I probably worked the hardest on some of the things 303 00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:12,000 that ended up as outtakes. 304 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,000 You never knew. You didn't know where it was going. 305 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,400 I didn't know where it was going. 306 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,600 ♫ Take 'em as they come... ♫ 307 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,600 You think all of them are going to be on. 308 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,500 When you're cutting that song, you think, 309 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:28,400 "This is the one I've been waiting for." 310 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,800 ♫ Take them as they come 311 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,900 ♫ Take them as they come... ♫ 312 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:38,800 The outtakes on The River are very complexly arranged. 313 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,000 There's a lot of singing, a lot of background vocal. 314 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,200 I can remember being exasperated that we couldn't get it together 315 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,600 to get something mixed or produce an album out of the 316 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,400 reams and reams of material that we had. 317 00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,800 I had set myself up for certain standards 318 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,500 and I just had to sit tight until I felt like I was there. 319 00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:15,000 Any time you're writing 70 songs, I've lost count how many, 320 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,400 you're just searching for something. You're searching for something. 321 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,900 I always say, "How did I end up making a record?" 322 00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:24,600 I finally came out with ten songs I can stand. 323 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,200 I don't have the control that says, 324 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,200 "OK, I have this, this is toned or there's this aesthetic. 325 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,800 "I'm just going to write in this mind now." 326 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,400 Usually, I mean, you may end up with something like that. 327 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,300 You may end up with something very austere or something particular 328 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:45,400 but I splashed on The River, I splashed around for a year to 329 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,400 try and find out what that might be, 330 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,900 so, I didn't have a lot of control over it, to be honest with you. 331 00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:58,000 Live, we'd play a wide variety of material from some jokey things, 332 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,400 comedy things, to deadly serious things. 333 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,300 Maybe I need the space to do that, you know? Maybe I need... 334 00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:10,400 I didn't... I don't believe I took the record back 335 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,800 with the idea of making a double record, but, 336 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,500 I had some ideas about what the record needed to contain. 337 00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:22,400 And I think the night that we said, "Well, we're making a double album," 338 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,600 that was a big leap forward as far as giving me the freedom to go 339 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,100 where I needed to go. 340 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,500 You know, I could stop worrying about taking space up with stuff 341 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:40,800 that sounded like good bar band music, there was room for that 342 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,400 and that was a big decision. 343 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,400 Hungry Heart by Bruce Springsteen. 344 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,300 The scope of the record was enough to contain an actual hit single 345 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:03,200 which we had never had before. 346 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,200 The canvas of the record was broad enough to go... To go there. 347 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,600 I saw the Ramones at the Fast Lane, in Asbury Park 348 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,200 and they were great and we went backstage and we sat around talking. 349 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,900 I said, "I'll write these guys a song." 350 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,900 I ended up writing Hungry Heart before I went to bed that night, 351 00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:26,700 you know. 352 00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:31,000 It was one of those songs where you write it in the time it takes 353 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,800 you to sing it, practically. 354 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,600 Yeah, well, I was trying to lay down all 355 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:59,500 the variations on relationships, the various outcomes, I think. 356 00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:01,000 And so... 357 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,900 So, the character, while he's going through something somewhat tragic, 358 00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:11,900 is whimsical about it, you know. 359 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,400 That's funny. 360 00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:30,500 - ♫ Everybody's got a hungry heart - Yeah, Yeah. 361 00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:34,700 ♫ Everybody's got a hungry heart 362 00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:39,300 ♫ Lay down your money and you play your part 363 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:44,600 ♫ Everybody's got a hungry heart... ♫ 364 00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:51,700 He just thought with the heart of an accompanist. 365 00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:54,000 He never stepped on anybody's toes, 366 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,200 he never got in the way of his singer. 367 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,300 He was one of the most natural accompanists I ever heard. 368 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:03,200 My recollection is he just went in, 369 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,000 we sat at the B3 and it flew out of his fingers. 370 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,500 The River was much more... A lot wider open. 371 00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:13,700 There was a lot of different kinds of things 372 00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:14,900 that were going to fit. 373 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:16,900 You know, Cadillac Ranch, Sherry Darlin, 374 00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:20,200 they were going to fit on to the record, I decided. 375 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,000 How I chose, in the end, you know, I could've... 376 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,800 That was a record where I could've switched a lot of things around. 377 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,800 A lot of the things that ended up as outtakes, easily could've made it 378 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,600 on to the record or I could've taken some things on the record off. 379 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:13,200 I know there's a lot of outtakes. I mean, obviously, you have Roulette. 380 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,400 That was the big oversight. 381 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,700 That was the one that, say, instead of Crush On You, 382 00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:22,300 Roulette should've got on the record. 383 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,200 A lot of them got dumped. 384 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,800 Loose Ends was on the first record, Be True was on the first record. 385 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,100 They never made it to the second record. 386 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:33,200 And I'm not sure why. 387 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,400 I like all the outtakes from this record, but a lot of them 388 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,600 seemed like they would be on a different record, you know. 389 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,100 One of the things that represented the band as the glorified bar band 390 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:49,900 that we are, I wanted to get that stuff on. 391 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:53,000 And then I wanted to get.... Then I had a lot of ballads. 392 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,300 The ballads were, kind of, the heart and soul of the record. 393 00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:59,400 Point Blank, Stolen Car, 394 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,600 The River, Independence Day. 395 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,800 Those are the ones that are very cinematic, but they're all slow. 396 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,000 They're all slow, you know. 397 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:15,000 And so you couldn't have that many slow songs on a single album. 398 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,400 You had to spread it out over a couple of albums 399 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,100 and then in turn, I was able to get fun things on. 400 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:24,300 My trashy single sort of things. 401 00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:29,600 What the band did and that we needed for exciting live concerts. 402 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,800 The end, the decision to take the record back, make a double album, 403 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,400 allowed me to get closer to what I thought the fans were asking for. 404 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,100 It was a record that felt like the band show live and allowed me 405 00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:46,100 to create a large canvas, where I could create the world that 406 00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:50,100 I wanted to talk to people about. 407 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:53,000 ♫ But there ain't no doubt, girl, down here 408 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,600 ♫ We ain't going to take what they're handing out 409 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,300 ♫ While I'm out in the street... ♫ 410 00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:03,300 So, finally, when I went out on the road, it was enormous relief. 411 00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:06,300 ♫ While I'm out in the street 412 00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:10,700 ♫ I talk the way I want to talk 413 00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:12,400 ♫ Out in the street... ♫ 414 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,200 I always said I felt River was... 415 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,500 I, kind of, captured my characters, Independence Day, 416 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:23,200 Point Blank, The River, Stolen Car 417 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,800 and then I also gave them the music they were listening to 418 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,800 when they went out at night in the bars or in the clubs. 419 00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:35,400 Out In The Street, it was like a Friday On My Mind. 420 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,700 It was my rewrite of a weekend song. 421 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:53,800 The minute you go to play live, everything expands. 422 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,600 The minute you step out onto your... 423 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,900 Before the audience comes in, you get the band together 424 00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:03,100 on the rehearsal stage and suddenly you hear the arrangements 425 00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:09,400 begin to blow up and expand into something that's going to reach out 426 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,600 and grab the audience. 427 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,400 The more formal sounds, 428 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,300 you would tend to stick a little closer to the recorded 429 00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:38,800 arrangement and the more things that were based in soul or R&B 430 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:45,900 or rockabilly, those were things that you could then take on stage 431 00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:49,000 and blow up into a showpiece. 432 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,600 I studied the great bandleaders, as I have said in the past. 433 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,200 Sam Moore from Sam & Dave, James Brown. 434 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,800 They set the band up as an incredible, expressive 435 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,100 extension of themselves so that the band could respond to every breath. 436 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:13,400 That was what was exciting onstage. 437 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,800 That was the essence of great band leading. 438 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,900 I wanted to incorporate that into a rock show. 439 00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:22,900 ♫ Shiny and black 440 00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:25,000 ♫ Open it up 441 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,000 ♫ Now it's tearing up the highway like a big old dinosaur... ♫ 442 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,400 Because we had so many soul influences, that was... 443 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,100 That was what we aspired to. 444 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:49,200 We aspired to playing like these great bands, but as a rock band. 445 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,300 Part of our concerts, a lot of joy and a lot of fun. 446 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,600 That was important. 447 00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:16,400 Sometimes I'd write something just to hear Clarence play 448 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,700 a particular type of solo. 449 00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:21,100 Big man! 450 00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:29,700 We were schooled on the sax solos from the Dion records. 451 00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:33,700 They were very, very specific, melodically. 452 00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:37,300 We wanted those kind of classic sax solos where you could 453 00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:40,200 come away humming them after you heard them a few times. 454 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,900 The songs where you create a very kind of classic melody 455 00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:46,900 and it would be more of a composed, written piece, 456 00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,400 very similar to the way we built solos on 457 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,800 Born To Run or Darkness On The Edge Of Town. 458 00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:03,000 The band was sophisticated by that point. 459 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,600 People's playings had gotten... 460 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,700 People playing in the band together had gotten very good 461 00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:15,200 and so it was a nice place in our development, also. 462 00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,800 That was... That was a powerful tour, The River tour. 463 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,500 At the time, I was pouring through a variety of history books just 464 00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:36,500 to contextualize myself, understand where I came from 465 00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:39,400 and what that meant... 466 00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:46,600 And I wanted to write songs of breadth that had some breadth 467 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,000 and depth to them and I wanted to write about the place I lived 468 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,900 and wanted to write about my own history, 469 00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:58,700 the history of my family and I wanted to write about social forces 470 00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:01,200 that I felt played... 471 00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,700 Er, played through that history and... 472 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:13,800 So I devoured quite a few history books at the time just trying 473 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,400 to get a sense of where everything came from. 474 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,500 You're brought in on a very late night, intimate conversation 475 00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:45,200 between two people, so that brings you in right away. 476 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,800 ♫ Papa, go to bed now it's getting late 477 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,000 ♫ Nothing we can say is gonna change anything now 478 00:38:55,900 --> 00:39:02,000 ♫ I'll be leaving in the morning from St Mary's Gate 479 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,400 ♫ We wouldn't change this thing even if we could somehow 480 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:14,100 ♫ Cos the darkness of this house has got the best of us 481 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:19,400 ♫ There's a darkness in this town that's got us too 482 00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:23,200 ♫ But they can't touch me now 483 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,600 ♫ And you can't touch me now 484 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,400 ♫ They ain't gonna do to me... ♫ 485 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,200 It was kind of a part of a series of songs I wrote about my dad that 486 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,000 weren't completely autobiographical, 487 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,800 but were pretty emotionally autobiographical. 488 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:44,100 ♫ It's Independence Day all down the line 489 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,900 ♫ Just say goodbye, it's Independence Day 490 00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:54,600 ♫ It's Independence Day this time 491 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:02,700 ♫ Now I don't know what it always was with us 492 00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:08,300 ♫ We chose the words, and yeah, we drew the lines 493 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,300 ♫ There was just no way this house could hold the two of us 494 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,400 ♫ I guess that we were just too much of the same kind 495 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:27,200 ♫ Well, say goodbye, it's Independence Day 496 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,000 ♫ All boys must run away come Independence Day 497 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:39,200 ♫ So say goodbye, it's Independence Day 498 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,500 ♫ All men must make their way come Independence Day... ♫ 499 00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:47,000 He's leaving but he's looking for something, you know, 500 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,900 he's leaving with purpose. 501 00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:54,400 You know, he's trying to find those things that give him impact 502 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,700 and presence and mass, in the world. 503 00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:02,800 ♫ Now the rooms are all empty down at Frankie's joint 504 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,200 ♫ And the highway she's deserted clear down to Breaker's Point 505 00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:14,300 ♫ There's a lot of people leaving town now 506 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,600 ♫ Leaving their friends, their homes 507 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:23,300 ♫ At night they walk that dark and dusty highway all alone 508 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,000 ♫ Well, Papa go to bed now it's getting late 509 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,600 ♫ Nothing we can say can change anything now 510 00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:40,000 ♫ Because there's just different people coming down here now 511 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,400 ♫ And they see things in different ways 512 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:49,200 ♫ And soon everything we've known will just be swept away 513 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,800 ♫ So say goodbye, it's Independence Day 514 00:41:56,500 --> 00:42:01,600 ♫ Papa, now I know the things you wanted that you could not say 515 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,900 ♫ Say goodbye, it's Independence Day 516 00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:12,800 ♫ I swear I never meant to take those things away. ♫ 517 00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,000 It was just a discussion. 518 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,800 You've reached some understanding of who your parents are and their 519 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:30,700 humanity and you're alone, also, and you're going to take different paths. 520 00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:33,200 It is a song that's... 521 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,100 It's quite without bitterness. 522 00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:41,100 Some regret and some sad understanding. 523 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,500 And also the exhilaration of being cut free. 524 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,900 It's always public and personal, I guess, simultaneously, for me. 525 00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:02,100 Erm, I don't ascribe to myself any great political 526 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:05,000 conscience or social conscience, for that matter, 527 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:12,600 and I always believe I'm trying to write my way out of some box 528 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,800 that I've found myself caught in when I was younger and myself 529 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,600 and my parents caught in. 530 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,800 Really, most of the writing I've done, 531 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,800 it's always personal in some way 532 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,800 and then it connects to the outside world 533 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,600 and connects to issues of the day, but it begins as a personal 534 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:42,300 conversation between me and myself, about something that still is 535 00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:46,300 digging at me from either my past or the present. 536 00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:00,500 The idea of losing someone, you know, in that way. 537 00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:03,700 We all lost friends and partners. 538 00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:12,300 You know, somebody is there and then they're just gone, you know. 539 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,900 That song makes its bones in the last verse. 540 00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:29,100 Where I think it really grabs... Grabs people. 541 00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:33,300 ♫ Once I dreamed we were together again 542 00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:35,000 ♫ Baby, you and me 543 00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:42,200 ♫ Back home in those old clubs 544 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,000 ♫ The way we used to be 545 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,900 ♫ We were standin' at the bar, it was hard to hear 546 00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:54,000 ♫ The band was playin' loud and you were shoutin' somethin' in my ear 547 00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,200 ♫ You pulled my jacket off and as the drummer counted four 548 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,900 ♫ You grabbed my hand and pulled me out on the floor 549 00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:09,300 ♫ You just stood there and we started dancin' slow 550 00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:14,600 ♫ I pulled you tighter I swore I'd never let you go 551 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,100 ♫ Well, I saw you last night down on the avenue 552 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:24,000 ♫ Your face was in the shadows but I knew it was you 553 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,400 ♫ You were standin' in the doorway out of the rain 554 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,600 ♫ You didn't answer when I called out your name 555 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,800 ♫ You just turned and then you looked away 556 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:43,400 ♫ Like just another stranger waitin' to get blown away 557 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,300 ♫ Point blank 558 00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:51,600 ♫ Right between the eyes 559 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,200 ♫ Baby, point blank 560 00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:01,800 ♫ Right between the pretty lies they tell. ♫ 561 00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:07,400 So that was just vivid, you know. And... 562 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,000 Yeah, when I nailed that verse, I nailed the song. 563 00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:26,900 The four songs on the last side of the record, are all summational, 564 00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:30,000 they all... They all... 565 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:37,400 are goodbyes in one style or another. 566 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,600 It was one of those songs you wrote, didn't know what to do with. 567 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,400 It seemed like a small piece. 568 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:49,200 It was just this little jam and then it came up 569 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,800 and ended up closing a record. 570 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,000 It was, you know, love and death, life and death 571 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,000 and I wanted the record to... 572 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,300 ..to break down to that at the end, at the very end. 573 00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:10,600 You have your love song - Drive All Night. 574 00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:17,200 And then there was just this quiet reckoning, 575 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,000 that this character has internally. 576 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,400 You know, with themselves on a... 577 00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:31,300 ..on a particular evening when, kind of, the... 578 00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:39,200 What's at stake in life, is made vivid to them. 579 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,200 You know. It's got that... 580 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:47,200 ♫ Last night I was out driving 581 00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:57,000 ♫ Coming home at the end of the working day 582 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,800 ♫ I was riding alone through the drizzling rain 583 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,200 ♫ On a deserted stretch of a county two-lane 584 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:14,500 ♫ When I came upon a wreck on the highway 585 00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:23,400 ♫ There was blood and glass all over 586 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:32,000 ♫ There was nobody there but me 587 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,600 ♫ As the rain tumbled down hard and cold 588 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,200 ♫ I seen a young man lying by the side of the road 589 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:50,000 ♫ He cried, "Mister, won't you help me please" 590 00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:15,900 ♫ Ambulance finally came and took him to Riverside 591 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:24,100 ♫ I watched as they drove him away 592 00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:30,800 ♫ And I thought of a girlfriend or a young wife 593 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,000 ♫ And a state trooper knocking in the middle of the night 594 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,600 ♫ To say, "Your baby died in a wreck on the highway" 595 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:49,600 ♫ Sometimes I sit up in the darkness 596 00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:58,800 ♫ And I watch my baby as she sleeps 597 00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:05,400 ♫ Then I climb in bed and I hold her tight 598 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:10,200 ♫ I just lay there awake in the middle of the night 599 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:15,600 ♫ Thinking 'bout the wreck on the highway. ♫ 600 00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:35,100 So that was... 601 00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:41,900 I just wanted to leave the listeners with their thoughts, you know, 602 00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:48,200 that the stakes of the record boil down to life, death, 603 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:55,700 love, you know, time, limited amount of time that you have. 604 00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:03,500 If felt right. It felt right. 605 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,100 First record dealing with men, women, marriage, children, 606 00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:18,800 all the mundane things that turn life into life, you know. 607 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:27,200 I think I was thinking about how to make these things more than 608 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,800 aesthetic ideas in my own life, you know. 609 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,500 You know, how do I practically...? 610 00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:38,800 How do I practically live life like this? 611 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,800 You know, where I make the kind of connections that I'm very 612 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,900 frightened of, but that I feel that if I don't make, 613 00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:49,500 I'm going to disappear or get lost, you know. 614 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:54,200 The creative life, an imagined life is not a life. 615 00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:01,800 It's merely something you've created. 616 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,600 It's merely a story, you know. 617 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,900 A story is not a life. A story is just a story. 618 00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:13,000 So, I was trying to link this stuff up in a way where I thought 619 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,700 I could save myself, you know... 620 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,400 ..from my darker inclinations... 621 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,400 ..by moving into an imagined community where people were 622 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,900 struggling with all those things, in a very real way, you know. 623 00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:37,600 And that was the community that I created on The River. 624 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,500 ♫ You been hurt and you're all cried out, you say 625 00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:11,000 ♫ You walk down the street pushing people outta your way 626 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,500 ♫ You packed your bags and all alone you wanna ride 627 00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:18,800 ♫ You don't want nothing, don't need no-one by your side 628 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:25,100 ♫ You're walking tough, baby, but you're walking blind 629 00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:28,800 ♫ To the ties that bind 630 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:36,100 ♫ The ties that bind 631 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:45,100 ♫ Now you can break the ties that bind 632 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,400 ♫ A cheap romance, you say it's all just a crush 633 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,800 ♫ You don't want nothing that anybody can touch 634 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,800 ♫ You're so afraid of being somebody's fool 635 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,300 ♫ Not walking tough, baby, not walking cool 636 00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:06,200 ♫ You walk cool but, darling, can you walk the line 637 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,600 ♫ And face the ties that bind? 638 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:17,000 ♫ The ties that bind 639 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:23,100 ♫ Now you can break the ties that bind 640 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,600 ♫ Whoa, whoa, I 641 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,400 ♫ I'd rather feel the hurt inside 642 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,800 ♫ Yes, I would, darling, than know 643 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,600 ♫ Than know the emptiness your heart must hide 644 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,300 ♫ Yes, I would, darling 645 00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:44,200 ♫ Yes, I would, darling 646 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,800 ♫ Yes, I would, baby 647 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,100 Hey! 648 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,000 ♫ You sit and wonder just who's gonna stop the rain 649 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,700 ♫ Who'll ease the sadness who's gonna quiet your pain 650 00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:32,000 ♫ It's a long dark highway and a thin white line 651 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,600 ♫ Connecting, baby, your heart to mine 652 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:41,000 ♫ You're running now but, darling, we will stand in time 653 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,200 ♫ To face the ties that bind 654 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:50,400 ♫ The ties that bind 655 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:59,000 ♫ Now you can break the ties that bind 656 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:06,000 ♫ You can't forsake the ties that bind 657 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:14,000 ♫ Whoa whoa whoa Whoa whoa whoa. ♫ 56982

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