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I forget, what were you saying there,
Tony?
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I was getting at this...
I was getting at the process.
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Oh, the creative life not being enough.
Yeah.
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So, by the time I was 30...
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Well, I was thinking of all these things
because they seemed to be...
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So this was what
was holding society together.
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These imperfect ideas
of how people connect
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and relate to one another, or don't.
And...
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So I want to be a part of that.
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I don't want to just be outside,
looking in,
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I don't just want to be a commentator,
I just don't
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want to be the audience,
I don't want to be the observer.
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You know, I want to be
an active part of it in some way.
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And so it was a lot of what
I was telling myself on The River.
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Ties that bind.
Well, how do you make that?
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How does that happen? You know?
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How do people come together, fall apart?
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How do... You know?
I want to be a player.
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You know? And... In...
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So, I think,
up to that point in my life,
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I really hadn't had the courage
to do that.
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Or I tried and failed so quickly that,
you know,
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it didn't add up, so...
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Part of The River was trying
to find the courage to put my feet in,
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jump in with both feet and...
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..experience those things myself.
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♫ I went out walking the other day
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♫ Seen a little girl
crying along the way
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♫ She'd been hurt so bad,
said she'd never love again
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♫ Someday you're crying, girl, will end
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♫ And you'll find once again
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♫ Two hearts are better than one
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♫ Two hearts, girl, get the job done
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♫ Two hearts are better than one
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♫ Once I spent my time
playing tough guy scenes
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♫ But I was living in a world
of childish dreams
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♫ Someday these childish dreams must end
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♫ To become a man
and grow up to dream again
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♫ Now I believe in the end
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♫ Two hearts are better than one
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♫ Two hearts, girl, get the job done
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♫ Two hearts are better than one
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♫ Sometimes it might seem
like it was planned
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♫ For you to roam empty hearted
through this land
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♫ Though the world turns you
hard and cold
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♫ There's one thing that I know
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♫ That's if you think
your heart is stone
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♫ And you're rough enough
to whip this world alone
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♫ Alone, buddy,
there ain't no peace of mind
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♫ That's why I'll keep
searching till I find
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♫ My special one
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♫ Two hearts are better than one
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♫ Two hearts, girl, get the job done
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♫ Two hearts are better than one
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♫ Now I believe
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♫ Two hearts are better than one
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♫ Two hearts, girl, get the job done
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♫ Two hearts are better...
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♫ Better than one. ♫
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We'd moved to a large
farmhouse in...
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on Telegraph Hill Road
in Holmdel, New Jersey.
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It sat on 160 acres of land.
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I think I paid 700 bucks a month
rent on it, that's what I remember.
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And so I started to write there
for The River.
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Living in the country
was this very bucolic landscape.
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There was a lot of ruralness
in the certainly in The River,
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in the song The River. But I think
sprinkled throughout the record.
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Darkness, I have to say,
that was kind of the Samurai record,
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that was a record where
there was a lot of isolation on it.
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The River, I was trying to move
my characters back towards,
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towards the mainstream, I guess.
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I wanted to write for my age,
you know? I...
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And really that started
very consciously with Darkness
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and continued through The River.
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I was moving forward, but in a funny way
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I was being inspired by things
older than rock music at the time.
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And that was where I was finding
a lot of the commonality and content.
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You know, was in music
that was older than rock music.
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So I blended those two things,
you know, I blended that
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sensibility with the excitement
of what I did with the band.
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I was listening to quite
a bit of classic country.
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Roy Acuff and of course
Johnny Cash and George Jones,
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Tammy Wynette.
I just loved it, and I felt that,
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you know, I felt the sympathy
of it was set generally.
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Once again, it was kind of
small-town music and rural music.
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But it also had adult concerns,
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and I think I was interested
in going there.
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I dedicate this one to Max and Becky.
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Come on, boys.
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We used to all sit on the tour bus
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and bet who was going
to get married first.
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And everybody would always be saying,
"Not me!"
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What about you?
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- No way.
- Nobody to marry?
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No. What about you, big man?
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When you got to go, you got to go.
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You got to understand that the band
at the time was not very grown-up.
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That... In the sense that people
were just starting to get married
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and have their kids.
So you forget we were still a bunch of kids.
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And my family was gone,
they were in California.
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I wasn't much in touch with
the rest of my family in New Jersey.
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So there was the band.
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You had your little, you know, rat pack,
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and it was still very much
the lost boys, you know?
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By the time you're 30, you are...
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You know,
you have a clock that is ticking,
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you are definitely operating
in the adult world.
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And I know I was...
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..thinking about all
these things by that time.
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Relationships, they're a success,
they're a failure.
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And because of my own personal history.
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It was a mystery to me how people
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were successful at...
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..at those things.
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And really, the writer's life is sort of
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excavating those mysteries.
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Working just with the acoustic guitar
and a cassette tape
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on a beatbox, you know.
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I would simply sit with the cassette,
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rewind it over and over and over
and over and over and sit there
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with my notebook and try to sing
some successful lyrics on top of it.
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The idea being, I would write all the songs
and spare us studio time
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and I would have a relatively
good idea of what I was doing
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before I went in.
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♫ Beneath a street light
too much fighting in the night
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♫ Baby sitting here
cause chain lightning... ♫
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When the band comes to the house,
it's our usual rehearsal situation.
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In other words,
I have a variety of specific parts
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that I want the guys to play.
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We learned those first and then
the guys kind of add their, you know,
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their flourishes as the rehearsal
goes by and we'll see what works.
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Beatbox always sounds great.
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It's all compressed and it's slashing
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and smashing around
and it always sounds exciting.
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I'm making my demos
on my old cassette player...
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..and I'm rehearsing the guys.
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We're doing things like,
a song called Night Fires,
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The Man Who Got Away, a song called Under The Gun and those
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are pretty exciting, musically.
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So, I get about 13 or 14 of these things
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and we decide it's time
to try and make a record.
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We go in and we cut the tracks
and the tracks sound great
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and I can't quite get the lyrics
finished to them, you know,
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which is a little unusual for me,
but it happens.
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So, my band did a lot of that music
and I move on.
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I believe almost none of them
worked out as realized pieces of music.
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♫ Sitting at the lights around midnight
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♫ Streaking lights and night
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♫ We're chain lightning... ♫
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I had a sense of what I could do,
certainly what I wanted to do
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and how broad I wanted the story
I was telling, to be.
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And if I didn't get it,
I just didn't sleep well at night.
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It wasn't...
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This is what I was doing.
I wasn't doing anything else.
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I was only doing... I only had music.
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And if I wasn't doing that right,
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I just didn't know what I was doing
on the planet at the time.
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You have a sense of your reach
and you hope that you can get there.
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You don't know. When I took
the record back from the studio,
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I didn't know what record I was making.
I was lost again.
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I had to be willing to throw myself
back into the wilderness.
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Hacking away, not knowing if
I was going to get where I wanted to go.
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People were also used
to the records being difficult
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and once we had Born To Run,
they were all hard records to make.
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This is a continuation of the story
of certain albums
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and these were the days
when we suffered tremendously trying
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to gain the knowledge
of how to make records.
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Same thing on The River.
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Now we're trying to make
a different kind of record.
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How do we make that record?
I don't know.
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How do we get this snare
to sound the way we want it to sound?
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Once again, we don't know.
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How do we get the kind of mixes we want?
Don't really know.
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Once again, we were working
outside the professional auspices
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of the recording industry.
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We hired ourselves and we knew
we were going on an adventure
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and a journey and a quest
and when you got hired on,
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that was the bar, that was the deal.
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♫ Love fueled not by the future
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♫ But by a past we could... ♫
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We were still in the process
of carving out our identity.
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For most of my audience, they were
still familiar with two records,
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Born To Run and
Darkness On The Edge Of Town,
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so we were still carving out who we were
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and I needed a record that I felt
had a very, very strong identity.
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♫ I come from down in the valley
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♫ Where, mister, when you're young
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♫ They bring you up to do like
your daddy done
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♫ Me and Mary we met in high school
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♫ When she was just 17
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♫ We'd ride out of this valley
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♫ Down to where the fields were green
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♫ We'd go down to the river
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♫ And into the river we'd dive
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♫ Oh down to the river we'd ride...
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'I think the biggest change
on The River was,
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'I started the narrative writing
where I would inhabit a character.'
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'With a very specific narrative story,'
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I would sing in that voice,
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a character,
and it wasn't necessarily me.
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It was partly me and partly
other people, so, of course,
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The River, that was my touchstone
for all of the writing that came later.
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Where you simply step
into a character's shoes
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and try to get your listeners
to walk in those shoes for a while.
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The River was the key to the record
in that it was a throwback to
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older folk music and an older voice.
It was a very adult voice.
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It was a political voice in the sense
that it was dealing with
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the Carter recession
and its effects on working people.
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♫ I got a job working construction
for the Johnstown Company
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♫ But lately there ain't been much work
on account of the economy
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♫ Now all those things
that seemed so important
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♫ They vanished right into the air
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♫ I act like I don't remember
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♫ Mary acts like she don't care
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♫ I remember us driving
in her brother's car
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♫ Her body tanned
and wet down at the reservoir
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♫ At night on those banks I'd lie awake
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♫ Pull her close just to feel
each breath she'd take
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♫ Now those memories
come back to haunt me
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♫ Yeah, they haunted me like a curse
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♫ Is a dream a lie if it don't come true
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♫ Or is it something worse
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♫ That sends me down to the river
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♫ Though I know the river is dry
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♫ Sends me down
to the river tonight... ♫
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I think the,
'I come from down in the valley,'
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you're laying claim
to that character's experience
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and you're trying to do right by it,
as a songwriter.
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And you're taking the risk
of singing in that voice.
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But that's the writer's job.
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Your job is to faithfully
imagine the world
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and others' lives in a way
that respects them, sort of,
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honors them and records them
in your own way somewhat faithfully.
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♫ I pick you up with flowers
when you get off work
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♫ It's like you don't even care
it's like I'm some kind of joke
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♫ I take you out on a date
and then you won't even kiss me
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♫ But when I... ♫
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The initial record of the River,
we made it, we handed it into the
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record company, we took that record back
and worked for another year.
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It was good, but as I listened to it,
it just didn't feel big enough.
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It didn't have the room to let
in all of those different colors.
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On that particular record,
I needed more time to let in all
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the colors and the feelings
that I wanted to let in.
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It wasn't quite funky enough.
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It wasn't quite...
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It didn't have the looseness that...
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Darkness was a very tight,
controlled record.
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We wanted to go the other way
with this record.
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You know, the main thing
we'd been continuing to hear was
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the records were still not a exciting
as the live show.
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♫ Hey, hey, hey
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♫ What do you say Sherry darling? ♫
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Let me try and solve that problem
if I can.
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This was the first record that Steve
came in, officially, as producer.
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We were looking for an antidote
to some of the sterility of what
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we thought that '70s recordings
had at that time.
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The noise that creates mystery
was being squeezed
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out of records for the purpose
of gaining more control over the sound.
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It was a direction
we didn't feel comfortable with.
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The records we liked were noisy records,
whether it's Hound Dog...
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Dave Clark Five - Glad All Over,
these were noisy, noisy records.
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We need THAT now.
We need the noise of our live show.
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We got it off of Gary Bonds,
you know, and
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the party noises that were on
the great Gary Bonds records, you know?
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So we, sort of, took it
from there and just said,
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"Yeah, these records just sound
like a house party."
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We had four guys.
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Everybody was doing, once again,
everybody was doing something,
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you know.
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Steve likes things to be kind of noisy
and trashy and raw
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and exciting, you know.
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John enjoys the classical,
sort of, formality.
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He likes clean records that are very
well focused and he and Steve played
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off each other during this record,
which is what I wanted them to do.
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You know, it might have been
a little difficult for the two of them,
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but I wanted them to be...
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They're supposed to be at odds,
to some degree.
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And so I would kind of set them up
against one another and I would find
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my happy medium
where I wanted the needle to sit
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on this particular album.
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That was the way I got the most
out of the people that I had, you know.
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John is somebody like...
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If I wrote something like The River,
I'd play it for him, you know.
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He would immediately,
kind of, process it and say,
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"This is different than
your other songs because..."
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That might then inspire me
to go further in that direction.
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Charlie continued his position
as a great technical adviser on how
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to get the kinds of sounds
that we wanted to get.
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So I said, "Charlie, I want to get
something very explosive.
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"Snare sound, I want the band
to sound wild and kind of loose."
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We wanted to go back to the days
when had a limited amount of control
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over the ambience in the room, you know,
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like when they recorded some
of the Elvis things with a couple of mics.
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Once again, we were going by...
We were playing it by ear,
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so some of those things worked out
and some of those things
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created problems in the end,
but we didn't have any rules.
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And we need, on this song,
some slap back on the saxophone.
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At least up here, a little bit.
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A little effect
on that saxophone.
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We recorded and recorded and recorded
and we were in the studio
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day after day after day after day,
you know.
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I probably worked the hardest
on some of the things
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that ended up as outtakes.
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You never knew.
You didn't know where it was going.
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I didn't know where it was going.
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♫ Take 'em as they come... ♫
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You think all of them
are going to be on.
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When you're cutting that song,
you think,
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"This is the one I've been waiting for."
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♫ Take them as they come
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♫ Take them as they come... ♫
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The outtakes on The River
are very complexly arranged.
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There's a lot of singing,
a lot of background vocal.
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I can remember being exasperated
that we couldn't get it together
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to get something mixed
or produce an album out of the
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reams and reams of material that we had.
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I had set myself up
for certain standards
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and I just had to sit tight
until I felt like I was there.
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Any time you're writing 70 songs,
I've lost count how many,
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you're just searching for something.
You're searching for something.
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I always say,
"How did I end up making a record?"
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I finally came out with ten songs
I can stand.
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I don't have the control that says,
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"OK, I have this,
this is toned or there's this aesthetic.
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"I'm just going to write
in this mind now."
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Usually, I mean, you may end up
with something like that.
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You may end up with something very austere
or something particular
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but I splashed on The River,
I splashed around for a year to
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try and find out what that might be,
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so, I didn't have a lot of control over it,
to be honest with you.
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Live, we'd play a wide variety of material
from some jokey things,
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comedy things, to deadly serious things.
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Maybe I need the space to do that,
you know? Maybe I need...
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I didn't... I don't believe
I took the record back
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with the idea of making
a double record, but,
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I had some ideas about
what the record needed to contain.
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And I think the night that we said,
"Well, we're making a double album,"
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that was a big leap forward
as far as giving me the freedom to go
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where I needed to go.
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You know, I could stop worrying
about taking space up with stuff
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that sounded like good bar band music,
there was room for that
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and that was a big decision.
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Hungry Heart
by Bruce Springsteen.
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The scope of the record
was enough to contain an actual hit single
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which we had never had before.
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The canvas of the record
was broad enough to go... To go there.
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I saw the Ramones at the Fast Lane,
in Asbury Park
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and they were great and
we went backstage and we sat around talking.
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I said, "I'll write these guys a song."
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I ended up writing Hungry Heart
before I went to bed that night,
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you know.
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It was one of those songs where
you write it in the time it takes
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you to sing it, practically.
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Yeah, well, I was trying to lay down all
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the variations on relationships,
the various outcomes, I think.
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And so...
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So, the character, while he's going through
something somewhat tragic,
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is whimsical about it, you know.
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That's funny.
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- ♫ Everybody's got a hungry heart
- Yeah, Yeah.
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♫ Everybody's got a hungry heart
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♫ Lay down your money
and you play your part
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♫ Everybody's got a hungry heart... ♫
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He just thought with the heart
of an accompanist.
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He never stepped on anybody's toes,
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he never got in the way of his singer.
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He was one of the most natural
accompanists I ever heard.
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My recollection is he just went in,
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we sat at the B3
and it flew out of his fingers.
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The River was much more...
A lot wider open.
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There was a lot of
different kinds of things
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that were going to fit.
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You know, Cadillac Ranch, Sherry Darlin,
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they were going to fit on to the record,
I decided.
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How I chose, in the end,
you know, I could've...
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That was a record where I could've
switched a lot of things around.
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A lot of the things that ended up as outtakes,
easily could've made it
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on to the record or I could've taken
some things on the record off.
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I know there's a lot of outtakes.
I mean, obviously, you have Roulette.
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That was the big oversight.
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That was the one that, say,
instead of Crush On You,
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Roulette should've got on the record.
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A lot of them got dumped.
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Loose Ends was on the first record,
Be True was on the first record.
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They never made it to the second record.
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And I'm not sure why.
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I like all the outtakes from this record,
but a lot of them
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seemed like they would be
on a different record, you know.
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One of the things that represented the band
as the glorified bar band
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that we are,
I wanted to get that stuff on.
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And then I wanted to get....
Then I had a lot of ballads.
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The ballads were, kind of,
the heart and soul of the record.
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Point Blank, Stolen Car,
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The River, Independence Day.
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Those are the ones that are very cinematic,
but they're all slow.
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They're all slow, you know.
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And so you couldn't have that
many slow songs on a single album.
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You had to spread it out
over a couple of albums
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and then in turn,
I was able to get fun things on.
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My trashy single sort of things.
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What the band did and that we needed
for exciting live concerts.
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The end, the decision to take the record back,
make a double album,
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allowed me to get closer to what
I thought the fans were asking for.
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It was a record that felt like
the band show live and allowed me
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to create a large canvas,
where I could create the world that
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I wanted to talk to people about.
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♫ But there ain't no doubt,
girl, down here
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♫ We ain't going to take
what they're handing out
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♫ While I'm out in the street... ♫
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So, finally, when I went out on the road,
it was enormous relief.
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♫ While I'm out in the street
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♫ I talk the way I want to talk
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♫ Out in the street... ♫
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I always said I felt River was...
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I, kind of, captured my characters,
Independence Day,
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Point Blank, The River, Stolen Car
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and then I also gave them the music
they were listening to
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when they went out at night
in the bars or in the clubs.
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Out In The Street,
it was like a Friday On My Mind.
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It was my rewrite of a weekend song.
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The minute you go to play live,
everything expands.
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The minute you step out onto your...
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Before the audience comes in,
you get the band together
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on the rehearsal stage and
suddenly you hear the arrangements
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begin to blow up and expand into
something that's going to reach out
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and grab the audience.
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The more formal sounds,
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you would tend to stick
a little closer to the recorded
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arrangement and the more things
that were based in soul or R&B
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or rockabilly, those were things
that you could then take on stage
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and blow up into a showpiece.
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I studied the great bandleaders,
as I have said in the past.
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Sam Moore from Sam & Dave, James Brown.
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They set the band up
as an incredible, expressive
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extension of themselves so that the band
could respond to every breath.
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That was what was exciting onstage.
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That was the essence
of great band leading.
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I wanted to incorporate that
into a rock show.
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♫ Shiny and black
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♫ Open it up
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♫ Now it's tearing up the highway
like a big old dinosaur... ♫
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Because we had so many
soul influences, that was...
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That was what we aspired to.
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We aspired to playing like
these great bands, but as a rock band.
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Part of our concerts,
a lot of joy and a lot of fun.
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That was important.
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Sometimes I'd write something
just to hear Clarence play
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a particular type of solo.
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Big man!
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We were schooled on the sax solos
from the Dion records.
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They were very, very specific,
melodically.
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We wanted those kind of classic
sax solos where you could
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come away humming them
after you heard them a few times.
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The songs where you create
a very kind of classic melody
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and it would be more
of a composed, written piece,
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very similar to the way
we built solos on
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Born To Run or
Darkness On The Edge Of Town.
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The band was sophisticated
by that point.
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People's playings had gotten...
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People playing in the band together
had gotten very good
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and so it was a nice place
in our development, also.
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That was... That was a powerful tour,
The River tour.
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At the time, I was pouring through
a variety of history books just
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to contextualize myself,
understand where I came from
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and what that meant...
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And I wanted to write songs
of breadth that had some breadth
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and depth to them and I wanted
to write about the place I lived
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and wanted to write
about my own history,
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the history of my family and
I wanted to write about social forces
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that I felt played...
471
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,700
Er, played through that history and...
472
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:13,800
So I devoured quite a few history books
at the time just trying
473
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,400
to get a sense of where
everything came from.
474
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,500
You're brought in on a very late night,
intimate conversation
475
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:45,200
between two people,
so that brings you in right away.
476
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,800
♫ Papa, go to bed now it's getting late
477
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,000
♫ Nothing we can say is
gonna change anything now
478
00:38:55,900 --> 00:39:02,000
♫ I'll be leaving in the morning
from St Mary's Gate
479
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,400
♫ We wouldn't change
this thing even if we could somehow
480
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:14,100
♫ Cos the darkness of this house
has got the best of us
481
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:19,400
♫ There's a darkness in this town
that's got us too
482
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:23,200
♫ But they can't touch me now
483
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,600
♫ And you can't touch me now
484
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,400
♫ They ain't gonna do to me... ♫
485
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,200
It was kind of a part of a series
of songs I wrote about my dad that
486
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,000
weren't completely autobiographical,
487
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,800
but were pretty emotionally
autobiographical.
488
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:44,100
♫ It's Independence Day
all down the line
489
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,900
♫ Just say goodbye,
it's Independence Day
490
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:54,600
♫ It's Independence Day this time
491
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:02,700
♫ Now I don't know
what it always was with us
492
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:08,300
♫ We chose the words, and yeah,
we drew the lines
493
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,300
♫ There was just no way this house
could hold the two of us
494
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,400
♫ I guess that we were just
too much of the same kind
495
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:27,200
♫ Well, say goodbye,
it's Independence Day
496
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,000
♫ All boys must run away come
Independence Day
497
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:39,200
♫ So say goodbye, it's Independence Day
498
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,500
♫ All men must make their way
come Independence Day... ♫
499
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:47,000
He's leaving but he's looking for
something, you know,
500
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,900
he's leaving with purpose.
501
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:54,400
You know, he's trying to find
those things that give him impact
502
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,700
and presence and mass, in the world.
503
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:02,800
♫ Now the rooms are all
empty down at Frankie's joint
504
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,200
♫ And the highway she's deserted clear
down to Breaker's Point
505
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:14,300
♫ There's a lot of people
leaving town now
506
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,600
♫ Leaving their friends, their homes
507
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:23,300
♫ At night they walk that dark
and dusty highway all alone
508
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,000
♫ Well, Papa go to bed
now it's getting late
509
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,600
♫ Nothing we can say can
change anything now
510
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:40,000
♫ Because there's just different people
coming down here now
511
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,400
♫ And they see things in different ways
512
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:49,200
♫ And soon everything we've known
will just be swept away
513
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,800
♫ So say goodbye, it's Independence Day
514
00:41:56,500 --> 00:42:01,600
♫ Papa, now I know the things you
wanted that you could not say
515
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,900
♫ Say goodbye, it's Independence Day
516
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:12,800
♫ I swear I never meant
to take those things away. ♫
517
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,000
It was just a discussion.
518
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,800
You've reached some understanding
of who your parents are and their
519
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:30,700
humanity and you're alone, also, and
you're going to take different paths.
520
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:33,200
It is a song that's...
521
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,100
It's quite without bitterness.
522
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:41,100
Some regret and some sad understanding.
523
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,500
And also the exhilaration
of being cut free.
524
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,900
It's always public and personal,
I guess, simultaneously, for me.
525
00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:02,100
Erm, I don't ascribe to myself
any great political
526
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:05,000
conscience or social conscience,
for that matter,
527
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:12,600
and I always believe I'm trying
to write my way out of some box
528
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,800
that I've found myself caught in
when I was younger and myself
529
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,600
and my parents caught in.
530
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,800
Really, most of the writing I've done,
531
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,800
it's always personal in some way
532
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,800
and then it connects
to the outside world
533
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,600
and connects to issues of the day,
but it begins as a personal
534
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:42,300
conversation between me and myself,
about something that still is
535
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:46,300
digging at me from either
my past or the present.
536
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:00,500
The idea of losing someone,
you know, in that way.
537
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:03,700
We all lost friends and partners.
538
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:12,300
You know, somebody is there
and then they're just gone, you know.
539
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,900
That song makes its bones
in the last verse.
540
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:29,100
Where I think it really grabs...
Grabs people.
541
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:33,300
♫ Once I dreamed we were together again
542
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:35,000
♫ Baby, you and me
543
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:42,200
♫ Back home in those old clubs
544
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,000
♫ The way we used to be
545
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,900
♫ We were standin' at the bar,
it was hard to hear
546
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:54,000
♫ The band was playin' loud and
you were shoutin' somethin' in my ear
547
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,200
♫ You pulled my jacket off and
as the drummer counted four
548
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,900
♫ You grabbed my hand
and pulled me out on the floor
549
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:09,300
♫ You just stood there
and we started dancin' slow
550
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:14,600
♫ I pulled you tighter I swore
I'd never let you go
551
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,100
♫ Well, I saw you last night
down on the avenue
552
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:24,000
♫ Your face was in the shadows
but I knew it was you
553
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,400
♫ You were standin' in the doorway
out of the rain
554
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,600
♫ You didn't answer
when I called out your name
555
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,800
♫ You just turned and
then you looked away
556
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:43,400
♫ Like just another stranger
waitin' to get blown away
557
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,300
♫ Point blank
558
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:51,600
♫ Right between the eyes
559
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,200
♫ Baby, point blank
560
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:01,800
♫ Right between
the pretty lies they tell. ♫
561
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:07,400
So that was just vivid, you know. And...
562
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,000
Yeah, when I nailed that verse,
I nailed the song.
563
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:26,900
The four songs on the last side
of the record, are all summational,
564
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:30,000
they all... They all...
565
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:37,400
are goodbyes in one style or another.
566
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,600
It was one of those songs you wrote,
didn't know what to do with.
567
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,400
It seemed like a small piece.
568
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:49,200
It was just this little jam
and then it came up
569
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,800
and ended up closing a record.
570
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,000
It was, you know, love and death,
life and death
571
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,000
and I wanted the record to...
572
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,300
..to break down to that at the end,
at the very end.
573
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:10,600
You have your love song
- Drive All Night.
574
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:17,200
And then there was just
this quiet reckoning,
575
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,000
that this character has internally.
576
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,400
You know, with themselves on a...
577
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:31,300
..on a particular evening when,
kind of, the...
578
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:39,200
What's at stake in life,
is made vivid to them.
579
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,200
You know. It's got that...
580
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:47,200
♫ Last night I was out driving
581
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:57,000
♫ Coming home at the end
of the working day
582
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,800
♫ I was riding alone through
the drizzling rain
583
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,200
♫ On a deserted stretch
of a county two-lane
584
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:14,500
♫ When I came upon
a wreck on the highway
585
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:23,400
♫ There was blood and glass all over
586
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:32,000
♫ There was nobody there but me
587
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,600
♫ As the rain tumbled down hard and cold
588
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,200
♫ I seen a young man lying
by the side of the road
589
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:50,000
♫ He cried,
"Mister, won't you help me please"
590
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:15,900
♫ Ambulance finally came
and took him to Riverside
591
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:24,100
♫ I watched as they drove him away
592
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:30,800
♫ And I thought of a girlfriend
or a young wife
593
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,000
♫ And a state trooper knocking
in the middle of the night
594
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,600
♫ To say, "Your baby died
in a wreck on the highway"
595
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:49,600
♫ Sometimes I sit up in the darkness
596
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:58,800
♫ And I watch my baby as she sleeps
597
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:05,400
♫ Then I climb in bed
and I hold her tight
598
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:10,200
♫ I just lay there awake
in the middle of the night
599
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:15,600
♫ Thinking 'bout the wreck
on the highway. ♫
600
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:35,100
So that was...
601
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:41,900
I just wanted to leave the listeners
with their thoughts, you know,
602
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:48,200
that the stakes of the record boil
down to life, death,
603
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:55,700
love, you know, time, limited amount
of time that you have.
604
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:03,500
If felt right. It felt right.
605
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,100
First record dealing with men, women,
marriage, children,
606
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:18,800
all the mundane things that turn
life into life, you know.
607
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:27,200
I think I was thinking about
how to make these things more than
608
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,800
aesthetic ideas in my own life,
you know.
609
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,500
You know, how do I practically...?
610
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:38,800
How do I practically
live life like this?
611
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,800
You know, where I make the kind
of connections that I'm very
612
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,900
frightened of, but that
I feel that if I don't make,
613
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:49,500
I'm going to disappear or get lost,
you know.
614
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:54,200
The creative life,
an imagined life is not a life.
615
00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:01,800
It's merely something you've created.
616
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,600
It's merely a story, you know.
617
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,900
A story is not a life.
A story is just a story.
618
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:13,000
So, I was trying to link this stuff up
in a way where I thought
619
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,700
I could save myself, you know...
620
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,400
..from my darker inclinations...
621
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,400
..by moving into an imagined
community where people were
622
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,900
struggling with all those things,
in a very real way, you know.
623
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:37,600
And that was the community
that I created on The River.
624
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,500
♫ You been hurt and
you're all cried out, you say
625
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:11,000
♫ You walk down the street
pushing people outta your way
626
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,500
♫ You packed your bags and
all alone you wanna ride
627
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:18,800
♫ You don't want nothing,
don't need no-one by your side
628
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:25,100
♫ You're walking tough, baby,
but you're walking blind
629
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:28,800
♫ To the ties that bind
630
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:36,100
♫ The ties that bind
631
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:45,100
♫ Now you can break the ties that bind
632
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,400
♫ A cheap romance,
you say it's all just a crush
633
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,800
♫ You don't want nothing
that anybody can touch
634
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,800
♫ You're so afraid of being
somebody's fool
635
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,300
♫ Not walking tough, baby,
not walking cool
636
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:06,200
♫ You walk cool but, darling,
can you walk the line
637
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,600
♫ And face the ties that bind?
638
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:17,000
♫ The ties that bind
639
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:23,100
♫ Now you can break the ties that bind
640
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,600
♫ Whoa, whoa, I
641
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,400
♫ I'd rather feel the hurt inside
642
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,800
♫ Yes, I would, darling, than know
643
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,600
♫ Than know the emptiness
your heart must hide
644
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,300
♫ Yes, I would, darling
645
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:44,200
♫ Yes, I would, darling
646
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,800
♫ Yes, I would, baby
647
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,100
Hey!
648
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,000
♫ You sit and wonder just
who's gonna stop the rain
649
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,700
♫ Who'll ease the sadness
who's gonna quiet your pain
650
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:32,000
♫ It's a long dark highway
and a thin white line
651
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,600
♫ Connecting, baby, your heart to mine
652
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:41,000
♫ You're running now but,
darling, we will stand in time
653
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,200
♫ To face the ties that bind
654
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:50,400
♫ The ties that bind
655
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:59,000
♫ Now you can break the ties that bind
656
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:06,000
♫ You can't forsake the ties that bind
657
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:14,000
♫ Whoa whoa whoa Whoa whoa whoa. ♫
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