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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,535 --> 00:00:04,771 There was a trailer over on Buck Mountain Road, 2 00:00:06,306 --> 00:00:09,042 I wanna say probably about 25 yards off the road. 3 00:00:09,142 --> 00:00:10,910 It's a really secluded place 4 00:00:12,679 --> 00:00:14,681 on Friday, November 13th. 5 00:00:24,891 --> 00:00:26,192 There's no neighbors. 6 00:00:26,292 --> 00:00:27,527 The way the property was set up, 7 00:00:27,627 --> 00:00:30,530 there was no way you could see anything from the road. 8 00:00:30,630 --> 00:00:34,467 So once you got back there, you were at their mercy. 9 00:00:34,567 --> 00:00:36,836 There was nobody coming to save you. 10 00:00:36,936 --> 00:00:38,004 Nobody would hear you. 11 00:00:39,939 --> 00:00:42,642 If you got brought out there, that was it. 12 00:00:42,742 --> 00:00:44,978 There was no walking away from that. 13 00:01:18,845 --> 00:01:21,981 On November 17th, 2015, 14 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:24,317 Virginia Rodriguez celebrated her birthday. 15 00:01:25,485 --> 00:01:27,353 Every single year, no matter what, 16 00:01:27,454 --> 00:01:30,990 her son Pepe would always reach out to his mother. 17 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:34,194 Pepe was a good-looking guy, 56 years old. 18 00:01:35,195 --> 00:01:36,996 Pepe's real name is Jose Herran. 19 00:01:38,031 --> 00:01:40,600 He was from New Jersey, but he had moved 20 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:42,836 to Pennsylvania because a friend had told him, 21 00:01:42,936 --> 00:01:45,438 "Hey, maybe I can use you out here. 22 00:01:45,538 --> 00:01:47,674 Maybe you can help out. I got a place for you to stay." 23 00:01:49,142 --> 00:01:50,677 But that year, he didn't reach out to her. 24 00:01:52,312 --> 00:01:55,081 Virginia Rodriguez, she was somewhat frantically 25 00:01:55,181 --> 00:01:57,417 calling him constantly on his cell phone, 26 00:01:57,517 --> 00:01:59,652 and it was going right to voicemail. 27 00:01:59,752 --> 00:02:01,387 He stopped all communication with family. 28 00:02:03,323 --> 00:02:05,658 There would never be a time or circumstance 29 00:02:06,826 --> 00:02:07,794 that would take him away 30 00:02:07,894 --> 00:02:09,629 from his mother and his daughter. 31 00:02:11,998 --> 00:02:13,600 Virginia Rodriguez told 32 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:16,836 law enforcement that the last time she had talked to her son 33 00:02:16,936 --> 00:02:21,407 was on November 13th of 2015, that was Friday the 13th. 34 00:02:23,209 --> 00:02:25,912 I was a supervisor of a homicide unit 35 00:02:26,012 --> 00:02:28,414 with the Pennsylvania State Police for 17 years. 36 00:02:29,549 --> 00:02:32,051 When we got this call about this investigation, 37 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:35,488 I think investigators early on, they knew there was more to it. 38 00:02:37,423 --> 00:02:41,327 I was working a cold case, and my supervisor wanted us 39 00:02:41,427 --> 00:02:43,663 to drop everything and move forward 40 00:02:43,763 --> 00:02:46,866 on this new information that was coming in. 41 00:02:46,966 --> 00:02:48,234 We just started hitting the ground, 42 00:02:48,334 --> 00:02:50,970 started talking to anybody that would tell us something. 43 00:02:51,070 --> 00:02:53,106 We'd listen, we'd follow that lead, 44 00:02:53,206 --> 00:02:54,874 talk to somebody else. 45 00:02:54,974 --> 00:02:57,510 We're also looking into, 46 00:02:57,610 --> 00:02:58,945 did Pepe use his passport, 47 00:02:59,045 --> 00:03:01,347 and did he passport out of the country? 48 00:03:01,447 --> 00:03:02,482 You know, all those things, 49 00:03:02,582 --> 00:03:04,484 and all of them kept coming back negative. 50 00:03:06,452 --> 00:03:08,922 At this point, we knew that Pepe took a chance, 51 00:03:09,022 --> 00:03:10,990 and he moves to Weatherly. 52 00:03:11,090 --> 00:03:15,461 So law enforcement had about a month window 53 00:03:15,562 --> 00:03:19,766 from October up until November 13th, 54 00:03:19,866 --> 00:03:22,702 then all of a sudden, he's gone-- vanished. 55 00:03:24,137 --> 00:03:25,505 We couldn't find that he was 56 00:03:25,605 --> 00:03:26,773 on the face of the Earth anymore. 57 00:03:31,711 --> 00:03:33,513 Weatherly Borough sits in northeast PA, 58 00:03:33,613 --> 00:03:35,949 right on the outside of Poconos. 59 00:03:36,049 --> 00:03:38,818 It sits kind of secluded out in the middle of nowhere. 60 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:41,621 It's three and a half square miles. 61 00:03:41,721 --> 00:03:44,824 It's got about 2,500 residents. 62 00:03:44,924 --> 00:03:47,527 So it's a very tight-knit community. 63 00:03:47,627 --> 00:03:48,761 People know everybody. 64 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:54,367 The town, it kind of has that hill-have-eyes, 65 00:03:54,467 --> 00:03:56,970 or that creepy feeling, where it kinda feels like 66 00:03:57,070 --> 00:03:58,705 somebody's always watching. 67 00:04:02,942 --> 00:04:04,477 Just outside of Weatherly is 68 00:04:04,577 --> 00:04:06,446 where it runs into Foster Township. 69 00:04:06,546 --> 00:04:09,616 It's woods, hundreds and hundreds of acres of woods. 70 00:04:13,686 --> 00:04:15,255 And then there's the stone couch. 71 00:04:16,289 --> 00:04:17,590 Sits on Buck Mountain Road. 72 00:04:18,591 --> 00:04:20,526 It's a rock that looks like a couch. 73 00:04:22,028 --> 00:04:23,563 They say if you sit on the couch, 74 00:04:23,663 --> 00:04:26,332 the first time, bad luck will happen to you. 75 00:04:26,432 --> 00:04:30,503 The second time, somebody that you know will die. 76 00:04:30,603 --> 00:04:34,107 And the third time, you'll die. 77 00:04:34,207 --> 00:04:35,608 I wouldn't dare sit on that couch. 78 00:04:43,149 --> 00:04:45,985 On August 6th, 2016, a little over a year 79 00:04:46,085 --> 00:04:48,087 since Pepe had gone missing. 80 00:04:50,223 --> 00:04:51,891 It was around 2 o'clock in the morning. 81 00:04:53,626 --> 00:04:55,528 I received a phone call from my chief, 82 00:04:55,628 --> 00:04:58,598 said that we had a large fire in town-- that jolts me. 83 00:04:58,698 --> 00:04:59,932 It wakes you right up. 84 00:05:00,033 --> 00:05:01,634 I jump out of bed, grab some clothes, 85 00:05:01,734 --> 00:05:03,569 jump in the vehicle. 86 00:05:05,405 --> 00:05:07,407 A Bunch of residents had called and said, 87 00:05:07,507 --> 00:05:08,675 "There's a house on fire on Third Street," 88 00:05:08,775 --> 00:05:10,643 and we didn't really know what was going on. 89 00:05:11,811 --> 00:05:12,979 Everything was burning. 90 00:05:15,982 --> 00:05:18,251 I remember the heat being so intense, 91 00:05:18,351 --> 00:05:21,020 I could feel the left side of my face starting to blister. 92 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,121 That's how hot it was. 93 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:25,825 You could smell the shingles burning, 94 00:05:25,925 --> 00:05:28,861 the sting in your nose. It's the asphalt smell. 95 00:05:28,961 --> 00:05:31,597 You can smell the vinyl siding burning. 96 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:35,101 It was a lot worse than I expected when I got there. 97 00:05:36,069 --> 00:05:38,304 There were three houses that were on fire. 98 00:05:40,473 --> 00:05:41,874 But, by the grace of God, 99 00:05:41,974 --> 00:05:44,577 everybody got out without any serious injuries. 100 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,181 So we had an accelerant-sniffing dog, 101 00:05:48,281 --> 00:05:50,183 and the dog definitely hit on some areas 102 00:05:50,283 --> 00:05:52,985 that were deemed to have accelerants on 'em. 103 00:05:53,086 --> 00:05:54,520 It was arson. 104 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:56,489 I told my officers to start doing interviews, 105 00:05:56,589 --> 00:05:58,024 talking to the neighbors. 106 00:05:58,124 --> 00:06:00,360 We need to go at it and figure out who started it, 107 00:06:00,460 --> 00:06:01,761 how they started it, why they started it. 108 00:06:04,764 --> 00:06:06,499 That morning after the fire, 109 00:06:06,599 --> 00:06:08,768 while we were doing this investigation, 110 00:06:08,868 --> 00:06:10,536 I found out that Roberto Torner 111 00:06:10,636 --> 00:06:11,738 owned the property on Third Street. 112 00:06:12,972 --> 00:06:15,608 He was in his late 40s, confident. 113 00:06:15,708 --> 00:06:17,477 He's about as wide as he is tall. 114 00:06:17,577 --> 00:06:19,145 This is what we're doing today, 115 00:06:19,245 --> 00:06:21,914 taking it down caveman style, one piece at a time. 116 00:06:22,014 --> 00:06:23,850 So, of course I love my job. 117 00:06:25,218 --> 00:06:26,586 Wouldn't you? 118 00:06:26,686 --> 00:06:29,756 Roberto Torner was a well-known name in the area. 119 00:06:29,856 --> 00:06:33,459 He was really integrating himself from being an outsider 120 00:06:33,559 --> 00:06:35,061 into this small community 121 00:06:35,161 --> 00:06:37,430 by wanting to be involved in politics, 122 00:06:37,530 --> 00:06:39,999 wanting to be involved with local government, 123 00:06:40,099 --> 00:06:42,168 buy properties, fix them up, 124 00:06:42,268 --> 00:06:44,070 be friends with the chief of police, 125 00:06:44,170 --> 00:06:45,772 be friends with the mayor, 126 00:06:45,872 --> 00:06:48,174 maybe run for mayor himself. 127 00:06:50,443 --> 00:06:53,179 I asked Rob several times if he had anything to do 128 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,615 with the fire, if he set the fire, 129 00:06:55,715 --> 00:06:57,984 and he adamantly says he did not. 130 00:06:58,084 --> 00:06:59,986 He said he had nothing to do with it. 131 00:07:00,086 --> 00:07:01,387 So speaking with Torner, 132 00:07:01,487 --> 00:07:03,556 just asking him basic questions-- 133 00:07:03,656 --> 00:07:06,592 if he had insurance on it, if he knew what happened, 134 00:07:06,692 --> 00:07:08,194 if he had any problems with anybody. 135 00:07:10,196 --> 00:07:12,999 My officers started by looking at every single house to see 136 00:07:13,099 --> 00:07:15,101 if there was any type of surveillance camera on it. 137 00:07:16,469 --> 00:07:18,604 A couple blocks away, they found a security camera. 138 00:07:20,106 --> 00:07:23,309 I noticed there was this white Mitsubishi Eclipse 139 00:07:23,409 --> 00:07:26,245 with a big spoiler on the back that stuck out. 140 00:07:26,345 --> 00:07:28,781 It was very distinctive, and I'm not sure how 141 00:07:28,881 --> 00:07:31,250 to tie it in yet, but I need to find the car. 142 00:07:36,823 --> 00:07:39,292 Knowing the sheer damage and destruction 143 00:07:39,392 --> 00:07:42,228 of the fire being over a million dollars in damage, 144 00:07:42,328 --> 00:07:45,531 that's when I decided to bring ATF in. 145 00:07:45,631 --> 00:07:47,166 We got federal search warrants 146 00:07:47,266 --> 00:07:49,435 for all the properties that Torner owned. 147 00:07:49,535 --> 00:07:52,271 We pull up that morning to execute the search warrant 148 00:07:52,371 --> 00:07:53,840 in the Cottage Hotel. 149 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:56,742 The Cottage Hotel was a three-story, 150 00:07:56,843 --> 00:08:00,413 Pepto-Bismol color, pink gargoyles out front. 151 00:08:00,513 --> 00:08:02,148 There was always weird stuff going on there. 152 00:08:02,248 --> 00:08:03,282 It was a transient place. 153 00:08:05,151 --> 00:08:07,353 People that lived at the Cottage, 154 00:08:07,453 --> 00:08:09,088 it seemed as though they were afraid to talk, 155 00:08:09,188 --> 00:08:10,189 and we didn't know why. 156 00:08:12,258 --> 00:08:14,293 It was always, "I don't know anything. 157 00:08:14,393 --> 00:08:15,795 I can't help you." 158 00:08:16,963 --> 00:08:19,332 During these interviews with the tenants of the Cottage, 159 00:08:19,432 --> 00:08:21,934 we had an individual come forward, 160 00:08:22,034 --> 00:08:25,271 and he said that I needed to talk to a tenant there. 161 00:08:25,371 --> 00:08:27,707 He's been there for about two, three years. 162 00:08:27,807 --> 00:08:29,108 He wasn't on our radar yet. 163 00:08:29,208 --> 00:08:31,210 He was just another person that we were talking to. 164 00:08:32,845 --> 00:08:38,818 Oh, this is me in 2014 when I moved into the cottage, 165 00:08:38,918 --> 00:08:42,555 and I had absolutely no idea what I had in store for me. 166 00:08:45,424 --> 00:08:46,926 About 11 o'clock at night, 167 00:08:48,361 --> 00:08:52,331 I got a phone call, and it was a blocked number. 168 00:08:52,431 --> 00:08:56,302 I answered the call, and it was Sergeant Bogart. 169 00:08:56,402 --> 00:08:57,370 And he told me, like, 170 00:08:57,470 --> 00:08:59,772 "Look, I'm parked across the road. 171 00:08:59,872 --> 00:09:02,675 You look out your window, you'll see that white car." 172 00:09:02,775 --> 00:09:04,710 He's like, "Come down, get in my car, 173 00:09:04,810 --> 00:09:06,379 "and I'm gonna take you somewhere. 174 00:09:06,479 --> 00:09:09,015 We're gonna go, and I want you to talk to me." 175 00:09:09,115 --> 00:09:10,016 He assured me, like, 176 00:09:10,116 --> 00:09:11,317 "Nothing's gonna happen to you. 177 00:09:11,417 --> 00:09:12,852 We're gonna protect you." 178 00:09:12,952 --> 00:09:15,087 And then finally I agreed. I'm like... 179 00:09:15,187 --> 00:09:17,690 "There's a place three miles away. 180 00:09:18,724 --> 00:09:21,427 "When it gets dark and I know that everybody's gone 181 00:09:21,527 --> 00:09:23,829 or in bed, I will meet you there." 182 00:09:25,064 --> 00:09:28,234 I got in the car with him. I was terrified. 183 00:09:28,334 --> 00:09:29,969 Anybody can show you a badge. 184 00:09:30,069 --> 00:09:31,737 That doesn't mean they're a cop. 185 00:09:31,837 --> 00:09:34,640 And then the doors locked, and then he took off. 186 00:09:35,641 --> 00:09:38,077 So all of a sudden I'm in a car with a big bald dude 187 00:09:38,177 --> 00:09:39,412 that has a gun, 188 00:09:39,512 --> 00:09:41,547 and he's driving towards the woods. 189 00:09:41,647 --> 00:09:44,350 He took us this weird back way into Weatherly. 190 00:09:44,450 --> 00:09:49,655 I never went that way before. He didn't say a word to me. 191 00:09:49,755 --> 00:09:52,658 So that made me even more scared. 192 00:09:52,758 --> 00:09:55,294 So I'm like sitting there with my hand on the doorknob. 193 00:09:57,229 --> 00:09:58,864 I literally was gonna jump out of the car. 194 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,802 We got to the Weatherly police station, 195 00:10:03,903 --> 00:10:07,206 and there was a room full of federal agents. 196 00:10:07,306 --> 00:10:09,642 So I was shocked. I was honestly shocked. 197 00:10:09,742 --> 00:10:12,011 Detective Bogart, he tried to calm me down 198 00:10:12,111 --> 00:10:13,145 the best he could. 199 00:10:13,245 --> 00:10:16,148 He said, "You're cool, you're cool, you're cool." 200 00:10:16,248 --> 00:10:18,317 We actually sit down and interview him about 201 00:10:18,417 --> 00:10:19,752 what was going on. 202 00:10:35,034 --> 00:10:37,303 I admitted that I knew about the fire 203 00:10:37,403 --> 00:10:39,005 and that I was there, 204 00:10:39,105 --> 00:10:40,906 and I tried to convey to them 205 00:10:41,007 --> 00:10:43,409 that I was not a willing participant. 206 00:10:43,509 --> 00:10:45,011 They didn't believe me. 207 00:10:45,111 --> 00:10:47,680 Like, they absolutely did not believe me. 208 00:10:47,780 --> 00:10:48,714 Donnie Warren, I think, 209 00:10:48,814 --> 00:10:50,983 had a really tough decision to make, 210 00:10:51,083 --> 00:10:52,652 "Am I gonna be on the good guy team, 211 00:10:52,752 --> 00:10:55,087 or am I gonna be on the bad guy team?" 212 00:10:55,187 --> 00:10:58,557 So I told him, "I know what happened to Pepe." 213 00:11:09,101 --> 00:11:10,670 Donnie Warren was a resident there 214 00:11:10,770 --> 00:11:12,104 at the Cottage Hotel. 215 00:11:12,204 --> 00:11:15,675 Donnie is an individual-- a very unique individual, 216 00:11:17,076 --> 00:11:18,077 to say the least. 217 00:11:20,379 --> 00:11:22,548 The stories that Donnie was telling us, 218 00:11:22,648 --> 00:11:25,017 it was almost hard to believe. 219 00:11:25,117 --> 00:11:26,619 One of the first things he said, 220 00:11:26,719 --> 00:11:28,621 that he had the vampire disease, 221 00:11:28,721 --> 00:11:30,956 you know, which I didn't know what it was. 222 00:11:36,762 --> 00:11:38,731 And we're like, "Oh, yeah, that's interesting, Donnie." 223 00:11:40,733 --> 00:11:43,602 I got treated like a UFO abductee. 224 00:11:43,703 --> 00:11:44,737 Nobody believed me. 225 00:11:46,605 --> 00:11:48,474 Fast forward when you find that it's a thing. 226 00:11:48,574 --> 00:11:50,009 It's Porphyria, like, 227 00:11:50,109 --> 00:11:52,478 if he gets stressed out and he goes in the sun, 228 00:11:52,578 --> 00:11:55,481 he starts to, like, break out. You know, it's just weird. 229 00:11:57,883 --> 00:12:01,454 But when he told me he drove his white Eclipse, 230 00:12:01,554 --> 00:12:03,189 and I'm like, "Does it have a big wing on the back?" 231 00:12:03,289 --> 00:12:04,290 He's like, "Yes." 232 00:12:04,390 --> 00:12:06,092 And I'm like, "His story makes sense. 233 00:12:06,192 --> 00:12:07,526 He was here because we have the photo 234 00:12:07,626 --> 00:12:09,995 to show that he was here." 235 00:12:10,096 --> 00:12:12,131 And it seemed Donnie was telling the truth. 236 00:12:13,332 --> 00:12:14,333 That he wanted to speak to us. 237 00:12:14,433 --> 00:12:16,102 He wanted to talk to whoever was in charge. 238 00:12:17,636 --> 00:12:18,671 And I even told him, like, 239 00:12:18,771 --> 00:12:21,340 "Look, this-- this is actually what happened." 240 00:12:22,675 --> 00:12:25,411 I had moved into the Cottage around November 241 00:12:25,511 --> 00:12:27,246 a couple of years ago. 242 00:12:27,346 --> 00:12:30,416 Me and my girlfriend had split up at the time. 243 00:12:30,516 --> 00:12:32,752 And so I was 244 00:12:32,852 --> 00:12:35,554 just basically desperate for a place to stay. 245 00:12:36,722 --> 00:12:39,091 There was people in and out of there constantly. 246 00:12:41,026 --> 00:12:42,428 This woman, Alba, 247 00:12:42,528 --> 00:12:43,696 was the one that dealt 248 00:12:43,796 --> 00:12:46,031 with the elderly people they had there. 249 00:12:47,633 --> 00:12:50,503 There was a family living down the hall from me 250 00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:52,905 as a couple and a couple of children. 251 00:12:59,044 --> 00:13:02,515 Pepe, well, Jose Herran, had moved into the Cottage 252 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:04,683 around the beginning of November. 253 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:07,052 He was only there for, like, maybe a week and a half, 254 00:13:07,153 --> 00:13:09,288 maybe two weeks at the very most. 255 00:13:11,757 --> 00:13:14,093 I like Pepe. I thought he was cool. 256 00:13:14,193 --> 00:13:16,595 Sharp dresser. He's a ladies' man. 257 00:13:16,695 --> 00:13:19,765 A typical, you know, Cuban machismo. 258 00:13:19,865 --> 00:13:22,168 Kind of like a fatherly figure type guy. 259 00:13:26,038 --> 00:13:28,307 Pepe and Roberto Torner knew each other. 260 00:13:35,648 --> 00:13:38,317 The first time I met Rob, I noticed straight away 261 00:13:38,417 --> 00:13:41,720 that he seems like he's genuine. He's a caring guy. 262 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:43,155 He just wants to help you. 263 00:13:43,255 --> 00:13:44,857 He doesn't want anything out of it. 264 00:13:46,926 --> 00:13:50,896 Rob knew that I was broke, and I needed money, so, 265 00:13:50,996 --> 00:13:53,032 uh, he had work around. 266 00:14:05,878 --> 00:14:08,614 At first, I did a lot of painting, 267 00:14:08,714 --> 00:14:11,851 and then after about a week of living at the Cottage, 268 00:14:11,951 --> 00:14:14,453 things started to take a really sinister turn. 269 00:14:20,693 --> 00:14:21,927 Just out of the blue, 270 00:14:23,462 --> 00:14:27,299 I was told, "Oh, I need you to go over to Buck Mountain Road 271 00:14:29,134 --> 00:14:30,669 and paint over a floor." 272 00:14:33,105 --> 00:14:35,207 But you have to use this paint. 273 00:14:35,307 --> 00:14:38,644 And he gave me four gallons of oil-based paint. 274 00:14:38,744 --> 00:14:40,980 Absolutely had to be oil-based paint. 275 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,049 And I had to coat as many coats over the floor as I could. 276 00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:49,088 So I thought it was a little weird. 277 00:14:49,188 --> 00:14:50,623 Like, why would you be painting 278 00:14:50,723 --> 00:14:53,993 over something that carpet goes over? 279 00:14:54,093 --> 00:14:55,728 So it didn't make any sense to me. 280 00:14:55,828 --> 00:14:57,897 And then when I saw what was on the floor, 281 00:14:59,598 --> 00:15:02,401 I saw the volume of blood that was on the floor. 282 00:15:05,504 --> 00:15:08,107 You try telling yourself that that's not what it is, 283 00:15:08,207 --> 00:15:10,242 like, "No, that can't be." 284 00:15:10,342 --> 00:15:14,380 It was in that moment that I realized that I saw too much, 285 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:15,481 I knew too much. 286 00:15:19,885 --> 00:15:21,153 There's absolutely no way 287 00:15:21,253 --> 00:15:23,355 they were gonna let me leave there alive. 288 00:15:29,361 --> 00:15:32,731 The next day, there was a bag of weapons 289 00:15:32,831 --> 00:15:34,500 that were put in my room. 290 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,536 There was a 45, a 9mm, 291 00:15:37,636 --> 00:15:41,373 a 22, there was a shotgun and an AK-47. 292 00:15:41,473 --> 00:15:44,977 I was told to strip them down, clean them, 293 00:15:45,077 --> 00:15:48,113 make sure that there was nothing, no fingerprints, 294 00:15:48,213 --> 00:15:52,551 like, no DNA, no nothing, using bleach and ammonia. 295 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:56,322 The moment that I touched the weapons, like, 296 00:15:56,422 --> 00:15:59,525 I knew what they were used for. 297 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:03,095 And... that was like the point of no return. 298 00:16:05,097 --> 00:16:06,999 So it was really a horrible feeling 299 00:16:07,099 --> 00:16:09,935 'cause that was, like, any shot I had of people believing me 300 00:16:10,035 --> 00:16:12,104 was the evidence that I was destroying, 301 00:16:12,204 --> 00:16:15,007 so it was really a double-edged sword. 302 00:16:16,642 --> 00:16:19,778 I did my best to, like, make it appear that I did it, 303 00:16:19,878 --> 00:16:22,815 but not erase all of it. 304 00:16:22,915 --> 00:16:24,550 And then I wrapped them in bags, 305 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:26,919 and then I put them back in the duffel bag. 306 00:16:30,556 --> 00:16:32,891 One of the first questions I had, um, 307 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:36,128 of Donnie after he told us his story was, 308 00:16:36,228 --> 00:16:38,897 "Why didn't you call 911? Why didn't you report it?" 309 00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:41,333 And, according to Donnie, he did. 310 00:16:41,433 --> 00:16:45,137 He went to Chief Anthony Harris, who at the time was 311 00:16:45,237 --> 00:16:47,473 the Freeland Bureau Chief of Police. 312 00:17:11,930 --> 00:17:14,967 And I was like, "I don't know what to do, what do I do?" 313 00:17:19,805 --> 00:17:21,273 And he looked at me and said, 314 00:17:21,373 --> 00:17:23,542 "That can just as easily happen to you." 315 00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:27,046 I'm like, "Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 316 00:17:27,146 --> 00:17:28,680 What did I just do?" 317 00:17:28,781 --> 00:17:32,051 I went in the store. I came out-- Harris was gone. 318 00:17:32,151 --> 00:17:34,019 I'm like, "All right, maybe he won't say anything." 319 00:17:35,921 --> 00:17:37,790 I got home at The Cottage 320 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:40,626 and I saw Chief Harris walk out the front door. 321 00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:42,361 As soon as I walked through the door, 322 00:17:42,461 --> 00:17:44,063 all the people that were there shut up. 323 00:17:45,531 --> 00:17:46,632 Somebody hit me. 324 00:17:48,734 --> 00:17:51,670 And then, like a pack of hyenas... 325 00:17:53,772 --> 00:17:56,008 I had a gun stuck under my chin 326 00:17:56,108 --> 00:17:58,510 and told that I was a snitch and they were gonna kill me. 327 00:18:00,012 --> 00:18:01,947 And I eventually talked my way out of it. 328 00:18:02,047 --> 00:18:04,316 I'm like, "Look, he's misunderstood what I said. 329 00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:05,918 "I don't know what he's talking about. 330 00:18:06,018 --> 00:18:07,986 I didn't say that to him." 331 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,188 And eventually after getting 332 00:18:09,288 --> 00:18:11,990 your face beat in and you saying the same thing, 333 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:15,427 I was allowed to walk away from it. 334 00:18:16,395 --> 00:18:19,098 But any hope that I had of getting away 335 00:18:19,198 --> 00:18:20,499 disintegrated instantly. 336 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:25,204 I lived every day of my life waiting to get killed. 337 00:18:25,304 --> 00:18:28,107 I tried to make myself as invisible as possible 338 00:18:28,207 --> 00:18:30,075 because I knew if I drew attention 339 00:18:30,175 --> 00:18:31,643 in any way that that was-- 340 00:18:32,678 --> 00:18:33,712 potentially fatal. 341 00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:37,716 Once they trapped you, that was it. 342 00:18:37,816 --> 00:18:41,086 There was no leaving. There was just no way out. 343 00:18:48,227 --> 00:18:49,194 A witness came forward. 344 00:18:49,294 --> 00:18:50,229 That was Donnie Warren. 345 00:18:50,329 --> 00:18:52,097 He relayed to the investigative team 346 00:18:52,197 --> 00:18:56,301 that Jose, "Pepe," Herran was, in fact, a missing person 347 00:18:56,401 --> 00:18:59,738 and had been living in Freeland in 2015. 348 00:19:01,940 --> 00:19:04,643 We know Pepe's family last heard from him, 349 00:19:04,743 --> 00:19:08,814 Friday, November 13th, 2015. 350 00:19:08,914 --> 00:19:10,549 So between that report 351 00:19:11,617 --> 00:19:13,585 and the information from Donnie Warren, 352 00:19:13,685 --> 00:19:15,754 we knew we were onto something. 353 00:19:15,854 --> 00:19:18,724 Donnie was able to get into more details 354 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:21,193 about what it was like for him and others 355 00:19:21,293 --> 00:19:22,895 to live at The Cottage. 356 00:19:24,196 --> 00:19:26,932 The Cottage was the center of the universe, for sure. 357 00:19:28,667 --> 00:19:31,069 The Cottage was a tool 358 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:33,839 used by Roberto Torner to control people. 359 00:19:37,342 --> 00:19:38,810 A lot of these people were just, in fact, 360 00:19:38,911 --> 00:19:41,380 down on their luck, or they had addictions, 361 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,849 or they just needed a place to stay. 362 00:19:47,386 --> 00:19:50,989 He was very, very good at finding people's weaknesses 363 00:19:51,089 --> 00:19:54,726 and then exploiting that weakness to manipulate 'em. 364 00:19:54,826 --> 00:19:57,262 So people are so scared of Roberto Torner 365 00:19:57,362 --> 00:19:59,565 and that's what he feeds on. 366 00:19:59,665 --> 00:20:02,034 There was always rumblings when we're talking to people 367 00:20:02,134 --> 00:20:03,335 and saying that, you know, 368 00:20:03,435 --> 00:20:05,938 the police chief and Torner are friends. 369 00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:07,739 We see 'em together all the time. 370 00:20:10,509 --> 00:20:12,311 Once you're in the Torner family, 371 00:20:12,411 --> 00:20:14,146 it's, uh, sort of like the mafia. 372 00:20:14,246 --> 00:20:15,581 You're gonna be one of his minions. 373 00:20:18,784 --> 00:20:21,820 He told us flat out, "Blood in, blood out. 374 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,122 It's us versus everybody else." 375 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:25,891 There was rumors in town 376 00:20:25,991 --> 00:20:27,025 we were all Satanists, 377 00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:32,831 that we were sacrificing animals, cult meetings, 378 00:20:32,931 --> 00:20:36,201 you know, Rob sat in a throne and drank from a skull and, 379 00:20:36,301 --> 00:20:38,136 you know, all of us were brainwashed. 380 00:20:40,606 --> 00:20:43,141 He was talked up like Charles Manson. 381 00:20:46,945 --> 00:20:48,947 And then there was Dave Alzugaray. 382 00:20:50,749 --> 00:20:53,552 He was Rob's personal automaton. 383 00:20:53,652 --> 00:20:55,454 He did whatever Rob told him. 384 00:20:55,554 --> 00:20:57,155 If you saw Rob, Dave was there. 385 00:20:58,957 --> 00:21:01,627 I know Dave did have some belief in-- 386 00:21:01,727 --> 00:21:03,161 Santeria and voodoo. 387 00:21:04,229 --> 00:21:07,366 Dave had a bunch of, like, ritualistic items 388 00:21:07,466 --> 00:21:10,969 that were related to black magic and to Santeria. 389 00:21:12,137 --> 00:21:14,172 It was a ritual stone. 390 00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:16,008 It had, like, a face carved in it. 391 00:21:21,446 --> 00:21:26,385 One time Dave had did something that made Rob mad, 392 00:21:26,485 --> 00:21:28,120 so in order to pay penance for it, 393 00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:30,289 he took that carved stone and, I mean, 394 00:21:30,389 --> 00:21:33,191 literally bashed himself in the face with it... 395 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,230 until blood would just rang out of his face. 396 00:21:42,834 --> 00:21:45,437 This is my blood oath to you-- you're my brother. 397 00:21:45,537 --> 00:21:47,439 This is my life. I'm giving you my life. 398 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:54,479 It was surreal, I mean, 399 00:21:54,579 --> 00:21:58,383 saying-- it's surreal, to watch somebody do that. 400 00:21:58,483 --> 00:22:00,519 I-- I-- I've never seen anything like it. 401 00:22:03,789 --> 00:22:06,692 Roberto Torner owned several properties 402 00:22:06,792 --> 00:22:09,995 in Carbon and Luzerne counties. 403 00:22:10,095 --> 00:22:12,264 And Donnie Warren provided investigators 404 00:22:12,364 --> 00:22:14,032 with information about weapons 405 00:22:14,132 --> 00:22:16,568 and where they could find the C-4 explosives. 406 00:22:21,273 --> 00:22:23,742 The Buck Mountain Road property was a big property. 407 00:22:23,842 --> 00:22:24,943 It's-- it's vast. 408 00:22:26,611 --> 00:22:29,247 Torner used it to store a lot of stuff. 409 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:32,651 If he had garbage, or other stuff from the work 410 00:22:32,751 --> 00:22:34,653 that he was doing in town, 411 00:22:34,753 --> 00:22:36,621 he would take it to the Buck Mountain Road property, 412 00:22:36,722 --> 00:22:37,789 dump it and burn it. 413 00:22:40,058 --> 00:22:42,928 We identified two burned piles on the property. 414 00:22:45,330 --> 00:22:47,099 I think it was like the second or third day 415 00:22:47,199 --> 00:22:49,768 just excavating down in the burn pit. 416 00:22:51,636 --> 00:22:53,905 We started finding things. 417 00:22:54,005 --> 00:22:56,141 At first, it's kind of like putting a puzzle together. 418 00:22:56,241 --> 00:22:58,377 You're like, "This doesn't look like a burnt book 419 00:22:58,477 --> 00:23:01,313 or normal burnt material." Like, "What is this?" 420 00:23:03,982 --> 00:23:05,317 That looks like bone fragments. 421 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,757 We did, in fact, find fragments 422 00:23:11,857 --> 00:23:13,392 that a forensic anthropologist 423 00:23:13,492 --> 00:23:15,827 was able to identify as human skull. 424 00:23:19,064 --> 00:23:21,433 Somebody is missing this much skull fragment, 425 00:23:21,533 --> 00:23:24,035 cannot be alive-- so you can kind of deduce that, 426 00:23:24,136 --> 00:23:26,671 "Hey, we couldn't prove that it was Pepe, 427 00:23:26,772 --> 00:23:29,040 but if it wasn't Pepe, who was it?" 428 00:23:34,813 --> 00:23:38,083 Investigators also found on Roberto Torner's property 429 00:23:38,183 --> 00:23:43,121 C-4 explosives that were stolen from an army base in Kentucky. 430 00:23:43,221 --> 00:23:47,025 That led to an arrest of David Alzugaray 431 00:23:48,293 --> 00:23:49,361 and Roberto Torner. 432 00:23:54,833 --> 00:23:56,902 While Torner was in prison, 433 00:23:57,002 --> 00:23:59,237 I went to speak to him about the arson. 434 00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:22,060 Every avenue you go down, 435 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,196 there's something that just makes you, like, 436 00:24:24,296 --> 00:24:25,897 you think it can't get any worse, 437 00:24:27,666 --> 00:24:28,533 and then it does. 438 00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:47,252 Roberto Torner told me he did not want to talk on camera 439 00:24:47,352 --> 00:24:49,955 and asked me to turn the camera off. 440 00:24:50,055 --> 00:24:52,624 He said he has some information he wanted to volunteer out 441 00:24:52,724 --> 00:24:53,992 for us about Pepe. 442 00:24:57,262 --> 00:25:00,565 That's when he went into telling me that he instructed 443 00:25:00,665 --> 00:25:05,871 Dave Alzugaray and Pepe to take some construction debris down 444 00:25:05,971 --> 00:25:08,440 to the Buck Mountain Road address and burn it 445 00:25:08,540 --> 00:25:09,841 like they normally always do. 446 00:25:15,981 --> 00:25:17,549 But he was worried, because he knew there was some 447 00:25:17,649 --> 00:25:18,984 animosity between them. 448 00:25:19,084 --> 00:25:20,552 But then he's got a bad feeling. 449 00:25:21,786 --> 00:25:23,154 He needs to go check on him. 450 00:25:23,255 --> 00:25:24,456 Something's not sitting right with him. 451 00:25:33,665 --> 00:25:36,535 Rob said he gets out and he starts yelling right away, 452 00:25:36,635 --> 00:25:40,639 "Pepe, Pepe, Pepe, Pepe!" 453 00:25:40,739 --> 00:25:44,576 And Dave sticks his head out from around this chicken coop 454 00:25:44,676 --> 00:25:46,311 and-- and is waving to Torner. 455 00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:51,149 And Rob's like, "Where's Pepe?" 456 00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:53,385 And then he's like, "You believe what that guy did?" 457 00:25:53,485 --> 00:25:55,587 He goes, "Pepe was my friend." 458 00:25:55,687 --> 00:25:58,123 I had to look there and watch my friend die. 459 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:06,932 I'm at the State Police Barracks, 460 00:26:07,032 --> 00:26:10,235 and we get the call from prison officials 461 00:26:10,335 --> 00:26:13,705 that Dave Alzugaray wants to talk to law enforcement. 462 00:26:45,804 --> 00:26:49,908 And then David Alzugaray confesses that he is the one 463 00:26:50,008 --> 00:26:51,042 that killed Pepe. 464 00:26:52,477 --> 00:26:55,413 He killed him at the Buck Mountain Road property. 465 00:26:55,513 --> 00:26:58,683 And that Roberto Torner has nothing to do 466 00:26:58,783 --> 00:26:59,884 with Pepe's homicide. 467 00:27:05,023 --> 00:27:06,925 Friday, November 13th. 468 00:27:07,025 --> 00:27:09,494 Dave Alzugaray and Pepe 469 00:27:09,594 --> 00:27:11,396 went to the Buck Mountain Road address. 470 00:27:14,032 --> 00:27:15,033 They were arguing. 471 00:27:18,403 --> 00:27:20,505 Pepe and Torner were friends, 472 00:27:21,539 --> 00:27:24,509 and they were really clicking and really getting along. 473 00:27:24,609 --> 00:27:28,980 And there was a lot of jealousy from Dave 474 00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:33,251 to Pepe because he felt like Pepe was kinda moving in 475 00:27:33,351 --> 00:27:35,453 on his position or his friendship with Torner. 476 00:27:37,922 --> 00:27:40,759 So there was just weird things boiling up 477 00:27:40,859 --> 00:27:43,762 between Alzugaray and Pepe. 478 00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:51,369 Dave ultimately said he shot Pepe. 479 00:27:53,405 --> 00:27:54,406 He dismembers him. 480 00:27:57,342 --> 00:27:59,110 Puts him in five-gallon buckets. 481 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:03,615 Dave was chopping him up like some type of butcher. 482 00:28:05,950 --> 00:28:08,486 Then Pepe was dumped into the Lehigh River. 483 00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:12,323 According to David Alzugaray, 484 00:28:12,424 --> 00:28:14,959 he was chopped into so many tiny pieces, 485 00:28:16,795 --> 00:28:18,430 that we probably wouldn't find him. 486 00:28:20,965 --> 00:28:22,100 In my experience, 487 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,705 and I've investigated homicides for 19 and half years, 488 00:28:26,805 --> 00:28:30,375 it usually doesn't happen where someone just confesses. 489 00:28:30,475 --> 00:28:33,244 His demeanor, it's very matter of fact, 490 00:28:33,344 --> 00:28:34,646 very to the point. 491 00:28:34,746 --> 00:28:36,247 However, he almost-- 492 00:28:36,347 --> 00:28:39,050 it felt like he was trying too hard 493 00:28:39,150 --> 00:28:41,586 to tell us that he wanted all the blame, 494 00:28:41,686 --> 00:28:43,088 that it was all him. 495 00:29:11,616 --> 00:29:13,318 We stopped the river. 496 00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:16,121 We did an extensive search of the Lehigh River. 497 00:29:21,659 --> 00:29:23,895 And nothing was found. 498 00:29:26,197 --> 00:29:27,298 So, at that point, 499 00:29:27,398 --> 00:29:29,934 we really suspected it was all a lie, 500 00:29:30,034 --> 00:29:32,403 he was covering up for somebody. 501 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,909 That's when we got Alba Veras to flip. 502 00:29:39,477 --> 00:29:40,879 We put her into witness protection. 503 00:29:42,013 --> 00:29:44,149 Alba was a resident of The Cottage, 504 00:29:44,249 --> 00:29:47,685 and she was helping out watching 505 00:29:48,686 --> 00:29:49,954 Roberto Torner's children. 506 00:30:09,374 --> 00:30:12,143 She got caught in this situation the same way I did. 507 00:30:12,243 --> 00:30:15,647 She answered an ad in the newspaper for a job, 508 00:30:17,182 --> 00:30:19,784 and then they talked her into moving in there, 509 00:30:19,884 --> 00:30:22,153 and then they just pretty much did the same thing to her 510 00:30:22,253 --> 00:30:23,454 that they did to me. 511 00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:27,258 Alba wasn't living in The Cottage anymore. 512 00:30:27,358 --> 00:30:29,794 She was in a different place in her life. 513 00:30:29,894 --> 00:30:30,862 She escaped. 514 00:30:30,962 --> 00:30:33,031 She wasn't under Torner's spell anymore. 515 00:30:35,066 --> 00:30:37,202 We asked her what she knew about Pepe. 516 00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:41,072 She was very forthright in telling us 517 00:30:41,172 --> 00:30:42,540 secrets from The Cottage. 518 00:30:43,942 --> 00:30:48,613 Roberto Torner had instructed her, during 2015, 519 00:30:48,713 --> 00:30:54,385 that he wanted her to clean a bunch of cutting instruments, 520 00:30:54,485 --> 00:30:56,120 and he instructed her where to hide 'em. 521 00:30:59,624 --> 00:31:03,294 She told us about the weapons and all the cutting instruments 522 00:31:03,394 --> 00:31:04,662 inside The Cottage that were still there. 523 00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:09,100 So we immediately went to The Cottage. 524 00:31:13,938 --> 00:31:15,039 We went up into the attic. 525 00:31:18,142 --> 00:31:20,445 Removed some insulation in the furthest corner 526 00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:22,080 of that attic, and voila! 527 00:31:24,616 --> 00:31:27,886 There's ammunition. There's cutting instruments. 528 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,723 There's cleavers. There's machetes. 529 00:31:31,823 --> 00:31:33,458 There's sharp objects. 530 00:31:34,959 --> 00:31:36,561 And Alba, she told us 531 00:31:36,661 --> 00:31:39,330 that she did have a romantic relationship 532 00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:41,532 with Roberto Torner. 533 00:31:41,633 --> 00:31:43,868 Roberto Torner started to question her 534 00:31:43,968 --> 00:31:44,969 about her loyalty. 535 00:31:48,172 --> 00:31:51,943 It was her, Roberto Torner, Dave Alzugaray, and Pepe. 536 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,615 And they drove out to the Buck Mountain Road property. 537 00:32:04,055 --> 00:32:05,490 OK, you know what to do. 538 00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:07,458 Torner handed Alba a gun 539 00:32:08,593 --> 00:32:10,161 and told her, "I want you to shoot Pepe." 540 00:32:12,864 --> 00:32:14,599 She took the gun in her hand. 541 00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:16,868 She held it up. 542 00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:21,739 Alba had to make a choice. What was she willing to do? 543 00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:32,483 I consider Roberto Torner a psychopath. 544 00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:36,621 He's deceitful. He's narcissistic. 545 00:32:36,721 --> 00:32:37,855 He's manipulative. 546 00:32:38,957 --> 00:32:41,025 The worst of the worst. 547 00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:44,095 He had these people, these minions, under him, 548 00:32:44,195 --> 00:32:46,364 and he was in control. 549 00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:49,267 It was like this cult-type thing, 550 00:32:49,367 --> 00:32:52,470 where he just instructed people to do things, 551 00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:54,105 and they just did it for him. 552 00:32:58,142 --> 00:33:02,947 Alba, Alba Veras, was willing to do almost anything 553 00:33:03,047 --> 00:33:05,116 to earn Roberto Torner's love. 554 00:33:06,617 --> 00:33:08,419 She thought that if she killed Pepe, 555 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,490 for him, she would be somehow proving herself to him. 556 00:33:15,059 --> 00:33:16,094 She put the gun up. 557 00:33:19,063 --> 00:33:21,232 But she just could not do it. 558 00:33:23,468 --> 00:33:24,635 And she broke down, 559 00:33:24,736 --> 00:33:28,740 started shaking uncontrollably, started crying. 560 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,175 That's when he said, "That was a test. 561 00:33:31,275 --> 00:33:33,411 I was testing your loyalty to me." 562 00:33:33,511 --> 00:33:36,314 When the rubber met the road, she just could not do it. 563 00:33:36,414 --> 00:33:39,784 She's not a killer, and it was at that time that Roberto Torner 564 00:33:39,884 --> 00:33:42,086 knew that she wasn't going to be able to do it. 565 00:33:42,186 --> 00:33:43,388 So then the plan changed. 566 00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:47,091 On the eve of Friday the 13th, 567 00:33:47,191 --> 00:33:49,394 Alba told us she heard some noises 568 00:33:49,494 --> 00:33:51,462 coming from the basement of The Cottage. 569 00:33:51,562 --> 00:33:53,131 She went down there to investigate. 570 00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:58,569 She found Roberto Torner and David Alzugaray 571 00:33:58,669 --> 00:34:01,172 manipulating semi-ammunition. 572 00:34:01,272 --> 00:34:03,841 They actually created dummy rounds. 573 00:34:05,109 --> 00:34:07,912 So that would render them incapable of firing. 574 00:34:08,012 --> 00:34:10,314 They manipulated these rounds 575 00:34:10,415 --> 00:34:14,018 and they provided Jose Herran with the gun that was loaded 576 00:34:14,118 --> 00:34:15,186 with these dummy rounds. 577 00:34:17,021 --> 00:34:19,590 On Friday, November 13th, 578 00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:21,125 I remember Pepe. 579 00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:24,495 He had used my phone to call his mother. 580 00:34:24,595 --> 00:34:27,465 Within half hour, 45 minutes after talking to his mother, 581 00:34:27,565 --> 00:34:29,100 they took him out. 582 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,036 I tried to tell myself, like, "No, they're not gonna do that." 583 00:34:32,136 --> 00:34:33,438 Like, "There's no way." 584 00:34:33,538 --> 00:34:36,741 But that was just, you know, me lying to myself. 585 00:34:36,841 --> 00:34:38,209 When they arrived there, 586 00:34:39,644 --> 00:34:44,048 David Alzugaray pulls out a 22 caliber revolver, 587 00:34:44,148 --> 00:34:45,883 starts shooting. 588 00:34:45,983 --> 00:34:47,585 Jose Herran tried shooting back, 589 00:34:48,686 --> 00:34:50,922 and because they were dummy rounds, 590 00:34:51,022 --> 00:34:53,091 nothing happened. 591 00:34:53,191 --> 00:34:54,292 David was in pursuit, 592 00:34:54,392 --> 00:34:57,628 firing the gun repeatedly at him. 593 00:34:57,728 --> 00:34:59,964 They shot him at least five times. 594 00:35:04,535 --> 00:35:08,306 That's when Roberto Torner walked up to Jose Herran, 595 00:35:08,406 --> 00:35:11,042 and he finished and by shooting him in the back of the head. 596 00:35:14,245 --> 00:35:16,481 And, by David Alzugaray's own confession, 597 00:35:16,581 --> 00:35:19,851 he was chopped up into very, very tiny pieces, 598 00:35:19,951 --> 00:35:22,186 put into blue buckets. 599 00:35:22,286 --> 00:35:25,189 This was a carefully staged-managed homicide 600 00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:26,491 by Roberto Torner. 601 00:35:29,927 --> 00:35:34,332 A short while later, Donnie observes the van return, 602 00:35:34,432 --> 00:35:35,666 but there's only two people in it, 603 00:35:35,766 --> 00:35:37,535 and it's Roberto Torner and David Alzugaray. 604 00:35:39,403 --> 00:35:41,672 And they were laughing and joking, 605 00:35:41,772 --> 00:35:43,708 and they had his head in a bucket 606 00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:44,842 in the back of the van. 607 00:35:46,444 --> 00:35:47,645 That was horrifying. 608 00:36:13,271 --> 00:36:15,573 "Oh, I'm Leatherface. Oh, I'm Leatherface." 609 00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:16,874 Like joking. 610 00:36:16,974 --> 00:36:20,311 He peeled his face off, like, literally peeled his face off, 611 00:36:20,411 --> 00:36:22,213 stuck it over his, was joking about 612 00:36:22,313 --> 00:36:23,214 being Leatherface. 613 00:36:25,816 --> 00:36:28,886 Having seen that, it was like, there's no way to erase it. 614 00:36:28,986 --> 00:36:30,621 There's no way to not think about it. 615 00:36:30,721 --> 00:36:31,822 I still have nightmares about it. 616 00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:37,828 We believe that Torner did this out of jealousy. 617 00:36:37,929 --> 00:36:39,830 See, Pepe's is this good-looking guy, 618 00:36:39,931 --> 00:36:41,832 he's smart, he's a good talker. 619 00:36:41,933 --> 00:36:43,634 Girls started paying more attention to him, 620 00:36:43,734 --> 00:36:46,604 thought he was better looking, and Torner didn't like this. 621 00:36:46,704 --> 00:36:48,806 He just wanted someone that was gonna follow him, 622 00:36:48,906 --> 00:36:50,975 someone under his control, and that wasn't the case. 623 00:36:52,009 --> 00:36:54,178 Roberto Torner was a very paranoid man. 624 00:36:55,546 --> 00:36:59,917 It was Friday, November 13th, when-- when they killed Pepe. 625 00:37:00,017 --> 00:37:02,687 I don't know if it was a way of, like, 626 00:37:02,787 --> 00:37:04,755 spreading fear about himself, you know, 627 00:37:04,855 --> 00:37:06,724 a way of kind of making himself scarier. 628 00:37:08,659 --> 00:37:10,962 Ultimately, Liza Robles, 629 00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:13,664 who was Roberto Torner's girlfriend, 630 00:37:13,764 --> 00:37:15,866 mother of his children, came forward 631 00:37:15,967 --> 00:37:18,002 and recollected that night. 632 00:37:18,102 --> 00:37:19,937 She woke up to go to the bathroom, 633 00:37:20,037 --> 00:37:23,874 and both Roberto and David were cooking. 634 00:37:23,975 --> 00:37:25,509 She believed it to be steak. 635 00:37:25,610 --> 00:37:27,178 She asked for a piece of the steak, 636 00:37:27,278 --> 00:37:29,714 and Roberto said, "No." 637 00:37:29,814 --> 00:37:31,682 He said, "That's Pepe." 638 00:37:31,782 --> 00:37:33,784 That's the allegation. 639 00:37:33,884 --> 00:37:36,988 I heard, what was left of Pepe? 640 00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:39,090 And then they made it into sandwiches. 641 00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:41,092 They called all these people to come over. 642 00:37:41,192 --> 00:37:42,960 Rob made a big deal out of it. 643 00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:45,463 "Oh, this is a special recipe, and we've got 644 00:37:45,563 --> 00:37:48,866 these Cuban sandwiches." I knew what it was. 645 00:37:48,966 --> 00:37:52,470 It was so nauseating for me, and it was disturbing. 646 00:37:52,570 --> 00:37:54,972 It was one of the most ghoulish things I've ever witnessed 647 00:37:55,072 --> 00:37:57,942 in my entire life, and not so much the act, 648 00:37:58,042 --> 00:38:00,511 but the attitude, the laughter. 649 00:38:00,611 --> 00:38:03,614 They were treating it like it was a birthday party. 650 00:38:03,714 --> 00:38:05,716 I was so sickened by it, I had to throw up. 651 00:38:08,486 --> 00:38:10,388 So, with all the evidence, 652 00:38:10,488 --> 00:38:13,291 we have the weapon that killed Pepe. 653 00:38:14,558 --> 00:38:16,227 We had David Alzugaray 654 00:38:17,695 --> 00:38:19,897 as the person that shot him with that weapon, 655 00:38:19,997 --> 00:38:22,500 that 22 caliber revolver. 656 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,736 We had the Glock, which was a 9-millimeter, 657 00:38:25,836 --> 00:38:29,006 that matched those manipulated rounds. 658 00:38:31,575 --> 00:38:33,311 It really validated the whole case. 659 00:38:35,179 --> 00:38:40,051 So, in February of 2020, we charge Dave Alzugaray 660 00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:43,154 and Roberto Torner for the murder of Jose Herran, 661 00:38:43,254 --> 00:38:44,488 who is Pepe. 662 00:38:44,588 --> 00:38:47,758 As reporters approached him, they asked him about the case. 663 00:38:47,858 --> 00:38:49,360 I have no idea what that is. 664 00:38:49,460 --> 00:38:51,062 You should ask the Chief of Police, though. 665 00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:53,364 But David already confessed to murdering him. 666 00:38:53,464 --> 00:38:54,732 You got to ask the Chief of Police. 667 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,868 He was referring to Chief Anthony Harris 668 00:38:57,968 --> 00:38:59,770 of the Freeland Borough Police Department. 669 00:38:59,870 --> 00:39:01,272 Witnesses were telling us also 670 00:39:01,372 --> 00:39:03,174 that there was a friendly relationship 671 00:39:03,274 --> 00:39:05,910 between Roberto Torner and Chief Harris. 672 00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:10,047 We told we told Chief Harris that we would be in contact 673 00:39:10,147 --> 00:39:12,116 with him again. That was on a Friday. 674 00:39:13,851 --> 00:39:18,255 On Monday, Anthony Harris took his own life by suicide. 675 00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:28,733 The trial was a little over a week, 676 00:39:28,833 --> 00:39:32,103 but the jury deliberated for six hours before they came back 677 00:39:32,203 --> 00:39:34,739 and rendered their verdict of guilty on all counts, 678 00:39:34,839 --> 00:39:36,941 including first degree murder and arson. 679 00:39:38,075 --> 00:39:40,544 He was convicted on Halloween Day, 680 00:39:40,644 --> 00:39:42,646 which was, you know, just symbolic. 681 00:39:48,018 --> 00:39:51,255 David Alzugaray ended up accepting a plea deal 682 00:39:51,355 --> 00:39:54,458 to third degree murder with a fixed sentence, which, 683 00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:58,462 when calculated out in time, is essentially a life sentence. 684 00:39:58,562 --> 00:40:02,400 Getting the verdict of guilty on all counts was, to me, 685 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:06,203 most important to give justice to Jose Herran's mother 686 00:40:06,303 --> 00:40:07,271 and his daughter. 687 00:40:08,272 --> 00:40:10,374 He was the world to them, 688 00:40:10,474 --> 00:40:13,077 always making sure that they were OK. 689 00:40:13,177 --> 00:40:14,712 He was that guy in their family. 690 00:40:18,282 --> 00:40:20,451 Roberto Turner and David Alzugaray, 691 00:40:20,551 --> 00:40:22,319 they're some of the most horrible, 692 00:40:23,788 --> 00:40:25,289 diabolical monsters 693 00:40:26,557 --> 00:40:27,658 I faced in my career. 694 00:40:29,794 --> 00:40:33,030 Getting him off the streets, it was very important 695 00:40:33,130 --> 00:40:35,933 because who knows what else he was capable of, 696 00:40:36,033 --> 00:40:37,501 what else he would have done, 697 00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:39,570 or what he did that we don't even know about. 698 00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:41,038 And I believe wholeheartedly 699 00:40:41,138 --> 00:40:43,274 there's more dead people out there. 700 00:40:43,374 --> 00:40:45,543 That we'll never know unless other witnesses 701 00:40:45,643 --> 00:40:47,711 come forward. 702 00:40:47,812 --> 00:40:50,247 Alba feared for her life all the time. 703 00:40:50,347 --> 00:40:53,317 To this day, when I talk to her, she's still afraid 704 00:40:53,417 --> 00:40:57,054 of Roberto Torner, even though he's incarcerated for life. 705 00:40:57,154 --> 00:40:58,322 Seeing him get arrested 706 00:40:58,422 --> 00:41:00,791 and then seeing him get convicted, 707 00:41:00,891 --> 00:41:02,960 I hope that something good 708 00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:05,696 will come out of all that suffering. 709 00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:07,498 It's so unbelievable. 710 00:41:07,598 --> 00:41:10,334 You could never imagine people actually 711 00:41:10,434 --> 00:41:12,770 doing these things outside of a horror movie. 712 00:41:19,743 --> 00:41:21,178 Friday, February 13th 713 00:41:21,278 --> 00:41:22,613 started out like any other day. 714 00:41:22,713 --> 00:41:25,049 That was the day that my daughter never came home. 715 00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:26,517 The Encino Police Department 716 00:41:26,617 --> 00:41:28,285 started searching for Amber DeBuff. 717 00:41:28,385 --> 00:41:30,221 Where's Amber? Where's Amber? 718 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:32,256 Something's wrong. I need to find my little girl. 719 00:41:32,356 --> 00:41:34,492 Is there a monster among us? 56113

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