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SEAN BEAN: New York in the early 20th century.
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Some of the most notorious criminals in history
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would start their lives of crime here.
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But few would rise from real poverty to power,
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to take on not only the law, but the entire system
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and even the Mafia itself.
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A ruthless racketeer...
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- So, what we got here?
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BEAN: ..and one of the most feared and respected bosses...
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BEAN: ..who became a legend...
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..in her own lifetime.
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- Whoâs next?
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BEAN: In the early 1900s, crime was very much a white man's game.
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But in her own backyard, the Queen of Harlem didnât just play it,
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she ran it.
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Bombings, beatings.
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bodies in alleyways.
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Harlem bled, but she never bent.
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A warlord in pearls.
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To her allies, she was a legend.
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To her enemies, she was lethal.
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Why don't we know her name?
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Stephanie St Clair.
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- (soft folk song)
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- She is from Guadeloupe, and she was born in the 1890s.
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She was the daughter of two working-class people.
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Her dad died when she was about ten or 11 years old,
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and she was raised by a single mother.
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- She was relatively well educated for a child growing up
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in the French West Indies.
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Her mother died at a young age,
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meaning that she was left alone at maybe age 12 or 13.
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Perhaps that's what pushed her to migrate to the Northern Hemisphere.
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BEAN: So much of her early years are shrouded in mystery.
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One account has it that after her mother died of TB,
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she was forced to become a house girl at a sugar plantation,
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but ran away at 13
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after having killed the owner's son
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who had repeatedly raped her over the years.
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Another account has it that she didn't kill him,
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but while he was passed out, drunk from rum,
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she emptied his pockets, ran to the docks
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and jumped on the first boat out, heading anywhere.
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- Travelling virtually alone on a steamship for weeks
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left women or really a young girl open to theft,
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open to kidnapping, open to assault.
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It would not have been an easy journey,
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and without a clear sense of what's waiting on the other side.
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- All we know for sure is that she arrived in North America in 1911.
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BEAN: There were few opportunities for immigrants,
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much less for a young black woman
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from a non-English-speaking island in the Caribbean.
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HARRIS: She migrates to New York City to work as a domestic worker.
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- You are hired to scrub and clean and feed a white family
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and also care for their children.
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- No woman wants to do domestic work just because of, you know,
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how abusive that job can be.
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Stephanie St Clair hardly talks about that early life.
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I think that's purposeful.
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BEAN: There are differing accounts of how she made her first entry
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into New Yorkâs criminal underworld.
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One says that she starts dating a drug dealer,
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and is working for him, until he gets shot, and she flees.
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Another that she shacks up with a man named Duke,
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a pimp, who tries to force her into prostitution,
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until St Clair buries a fork in his eye...
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..allegedly.
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BEAN: So this is the world where Stephanie St Clair finds herself.
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New York is going through one of the biggest changes itâs ever known.
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- A lot of Southern African-Americans
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had made the decision to go to the north and specifically New York
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for better business opportunities,
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but also to escape the racist tensions of the Jim Crow era
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in the south.
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For a lot of these Black Americans, the journey north ended in Harlem.
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HARRIS: Harlem was called the Black Mecca.
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African-Americans from various parts of the world
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are bringing different customs, traditions,
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ways of knowing, ways of life,
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and bringing those things to Harlem.
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- It's difficult to comprehend just how hard life would have been
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back then for Stephanie.
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We know all too well that Black Americans were being subjected
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to appalling racial discrimination.
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Slavery is still in living memory
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and sadly attitudes hadn't changed all that much.
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It was almost impossible for Black people to even open bank accounts
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or secure housing.
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And even when they were able to, the conditions were so poor,
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they were almost unliveable.
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- We even have evidence of Black folks in the early 1910s
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and early 1920s sleeping in shifts.
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So, you might all be renting one bed in one room
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and, you know, somebody has it for the day shift,
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somebody has it for the night shift
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and you switch back and forth.
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Everybody was piled on top of each other, which made for hard times,
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but also a lot of community building.
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- And then also police brutality is rampant.
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FARMER: You would be walking down the street
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and you'd be stopped by a police officer.
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They would start to search you if you talked back,
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if you happen to have anything on you.
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You were in for a beating and being put in jail.
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BEAN: Whatâs incredible is that even amongst all this hardship
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and discrimination, the brutal police repression and segregation,
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creativity found a way.
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HARRIS: When we think about Harlem in the 1920s,
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we tend to think about the Harlem Renaissance,
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that cultural expression where artists, musicians,
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actors, painters, sculptors are using art as a vehicle
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to really challenge race gender and class discrimination,
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racist caricatures, racist silent movies
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like the film Birth of a Nation, which comes out in 1910s.
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BEAN: So, Harlem is this incredibly vibrant cultural epicentre,
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a real phenomenon.
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It's around this time that St Clair made her mind up
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that she wants more.
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But those economic hardships weren't going anywhere.
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How is someone like Stephanie supposed to change her lot?
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- For Harlemâs poorer population, there was only really one option
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to strike it rich.
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The Numbers Game was like a peopleâs lottery
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in a time when Black people werenât even allowed bank accounts.
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- What you want? - Give me 500, will you?
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- You want 500? - 309.
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78. 591.
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BEAN: Players would write their lucky three-digit numbers
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on slips of paper, and runners would run these slips
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and the bets between the gamblers and the bankers.
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The winning numbers were chosen from the last three digits
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of the daily trading totals of the New York Stock Exchange,
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which, crucially, made the game impossible to tamper with or fix.
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- So the New York Clearing House is a financial institution
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handling millions of dollars every day.
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Then they publish in the paper,
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"Yesterday we handled $57,982,431.91.â
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And so the 431, those three digits before the decimal point,
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that becomes the New York number.
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- Hitting the number is huge for anybody
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that gives you the opportunity to take care of oneself
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and one's family.
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So if you hit the number, your rent is paid for months.
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- The numbers game was something everyone could get involved with,
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and Stephanie St Clair wanted a piece of that pie.
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BEAN: But the question is,
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how was it going to change Stephanie St Clair the house cleaner...
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..into Stephanie St Clair the mob boss?
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BEAN: Prohibition in 1920
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would change the course of the nation's history.
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BEAN: The entire country would ban the sale and production of alcohol
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to try and curb its social ills.
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- Prohibition lends itself to the creation of Harlem
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as a sort of vice district.
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The police funnel illegal alcohol activity
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into this particular neighbourhood.
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The police are willing to allow illegal activity to go on,
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provided that they themselves get a cut.
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An association emerges between Harlem and vice activity.
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Thatâs part of why you would see something as common as
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people betting on street corners.
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BEAN: The Prohibition racket was controlled by the Mafia,
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which meant dealing with legendary mob bosses
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like Lucky Luciano, Joe Masseria
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and Arnold Rothstein,
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the gangster who allegedly rigged the 1919 World Series.
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The Black community was cut out of Prohibition entirely,
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so they created something of their own.
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So who was Stephanie St Clair?
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Well, at this point in time, she wasnât really anybody.
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But all that was about to change.
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The Numbers Game was an illegal game anyone could play.
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Which could change your life.
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The Peopleâs Lottery, of sorts.
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Pretty much anybody can start taking bets
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as long as they've got either the cash to pay out winners
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or the moxie to chance their arm
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until they build up a big enough pot.
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With no startup costs and few overheads,
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it's easier to see why it's so appealing to the working classes.
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- Eventually these central figures come to be called bankers,
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people with a large enough pool of money
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that they could pay out multiple wins on a given bet.
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- It was a way for Black people to enter the banking system,
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a way for money to be generated.
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The Numbers Game was something that everybody could get involved with,
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everyone could play,
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and there was the potential of winning.
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And Stephanie St Clair wanted a piece of that pie.
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In 1922, Stephanie St Clairâs fortunes took a dramatic turn.
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She managed to accumulate $30,000,
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a huge sum for the era
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and more than enough to launch her own numbers operation.
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- Ted Poston, a journalist at the time, did offer one theory.
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Stephanie herself was a numbers player.
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According to Poston's research, St Clair hit the number
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and used her winnings to set up her own policy shop.
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HARRIS: It's very unique for a woman and a Black person
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to run an illegal operation,
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because African-Americans at this particular time
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are supposed to be confined to certain stations in life.
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She's really stepping out of the boundaries of race.
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She's entering a male-dominated space.
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- No-one is doubting that men, historically outnumber women
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in nearly all types of crime.
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So people like Stephanie St Clair, who climbed the ranks, were rare.
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LLOYD: In the numbers racket,
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the collection enforcement were essential in dangerous jobs.
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Runners carried large amounts of cash through city streets,
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making them prime targets for thieves.
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If you were a collector, this meant knocking on doors,
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where you might not walk away.
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There were no courts to turn to, only street justice.
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- One of the things that's really interesting
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is that it seems like she used other people, particularly men,
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to keep her hands clean.
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She is meting out punishment, she's putting down and making sure
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that you don't defy her,
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but she's not doing these acts themselves.
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BEAN: One of the most significant people who would work with Stephanie
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was Bumpy Johnson.
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He would later become the godfather of Harlem,
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but right now, he's her toughest enforcer.
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We can see here from civil records
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that he was born Ellsworth Johnson in Charleston, South Carolina
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in October 1905.
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He'd eventually become Stephanie's right-hand man.
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- (doorbell tinkles)
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- You know not to cross her,
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because you hear stories of what happens when you take her money.
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You hear stories of what happens
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when you try to scam her or fudge the numbers
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or not pay up when itâs your turn.
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And that includes her using her right-hand man, Bumpy,
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in order to be an enforcer.
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- Men didnât work for women, but here you had Stephanie St Clair,
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who had men working for her, men answering to her.
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Bumpy apparently said Stephanie was one woman he would never cross.
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FARMER: Bumpy met out punishment in the form of beatings,
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taking peopleâs lives.
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LLOYD: Without Stephanie St Clair, there'd be no Bumpy Johnson.
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And without Bumpy Johnson,
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you wouldnât get legendary gangster Frank Lucas.
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And so the Queen of Harlem gave birth to these demi-gods,
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these secular gangster gods.
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BEAN: By 1928, Stephanieâs reputation
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as a woman not to be crossed had spread through New York.
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HARRIS: Stephanie St Clair, in the late 1920s, lived at 409 Edgecombe,
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which is in Sugar Hill in Harlem.
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And this is a neighbourhood and a building
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where some of the most prominent Black elite folks lived.
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- On the one hand, she is respected in her community,
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but a lot of people don't think that she's a respectable person
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because she was engaged in illicit trade.
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She certainly was a lady in a lot of ways,
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but she also was a criminal.
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LLOYD: Stephanie decided to get her own voice out there,
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to let the people of Harlem know who she really was
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and for whom she was fighting.
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- Black newspapers become this sort of venue
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for Black people to learn about various things happening
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across the country.
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And in New York City, The New York Amsterdam News
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is a paper that St Clair turns
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to kind of air out her grievances about the state of Harlem,
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the state of Black New Yorkers, and also about the police.
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And her ad is particularly stunning because on this ad
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Stephanie St Clair always has an image of herself.
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- Although very few photos of her survive,
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we can see that image was incredibly important to Stephanie.
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She never allowed herself to be photographed
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without her hair, her makeup, her clothes all perfectly styled.
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- Stephanie St Clair loves the media.
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She's a really flamboyant person.
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It's not a mystery who she is. She wants people to know.
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She is dressed to the nines. Her hair is done.
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She always has a fur coat.
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She has on, you know, jewellery.
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She's just looking like, you know, a ten.
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- She liked to be seen.
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And seen looking well.
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She commanded space, she was a queen.
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- When she stepped out in Harlem,
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every picture that you see of her in the newspaper,
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sheâs dressed from head to toe. Sheâs got fine jewels on,
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sheâs walking slowly to make sure that you know who she is.
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- It certainly is something that all people who do what she does,
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typically engage in, which is this costume.
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I think that shows status and power.
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And she needed to show that to people to maintain her position.
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She wanted to wear nice clothes and she enjoyed that.
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It also is very much a part of that uniform,
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that sense of power and control.
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"Iâm in control, take me seriously.
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Iâm playing the same game that you guys are playing."
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So whereas it was mostly men playing that game,
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I think her costume was needed to help her have that armour
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to step into the arena and do what they were doing
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and kind of match them as well.
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BEAN: A few miles north of Harlem, in the backstreets of the Bronx,
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an ambitious young gangster was casting an envious eye
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towards Stephanieâs grip on the Harlem numbers racket.
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And his name... was Dutch Schultz.
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LLOYD: He was described by Edgar Hoover as public enemy number one.
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The Mob couldnât even handle him. He was a loose cannon.
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BEAN: In time, their rivalry would become one of the fiercest
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and bloodiest in New York gangland history.
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LLOYD: Stephanie wasnât just fighting for herself.
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She was fighting for her whole community.
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She was a boss who made a fortune, but gave back.
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Gave back to the community.
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If someone needed a hospital bill paid, she would do it.
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She wanted to keep the money within Harlem.
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GREEN: The public viewed Stephanie St Clair
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as a very shrewd woman who had a very nasty temper.
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But she also had a nurturing side.
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She was a huge champion of her community,
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which is shown by the number of people she employed in the business.
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She was an activist for Black Advancement.
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She educated her community about their rights.
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She would speak out about discrimination.
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The fact that she was so loyal to her community
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meant that this was returned to her.
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So, it was a sound strategy that paid dividends to her business.
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I think thatâs largely the reason
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that she was able to run such a successful operation
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that was, at the height, able to bring in $200,000 a year.
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BEAN: $200,000 a year in 1928
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would be worth over three million today.
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As the money starts rolling in, so too do the corrupt cops,
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who all want a cut.
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- At this particular time, the NYPD is very corrupt.
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You have officers who are involved in various vice rackets,
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the numbers racket, the paid enforcement racket.
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Police officers are involved in the sex trade.
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Some officers are known to assault, harass, physically, sexually,
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Black New Yorkers especially, you know, African-American women.
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- Anyone who wanted to be a criminal and had any sense,
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was gonna pay off the police so that they could go about their business
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in a relatively inconspicuous fashion.
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St Clair did this. However, she also spoke out about the police
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and especially how much they were harassing her employees and herself.
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And so her actions were very closely followed all throughout her reign.
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In 1929, she was arrested for possessing policy slips,
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which is considered to be a very trumped-up charge.
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- She does not hide that she is a banker.
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She actually testifies that she's a banker.
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And she only does that because she wants to expose the police.
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So, as early as 1929, she's talking about, âI'm a banker,
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but at the same time I was not supposed to be arrested
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because I paid for protection from the NYPD."
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- She wrote these open letters, saying, "Iâve paid my ice."
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Ice was the kickbacks which you gave to the police.
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HARRIS: So, for her, it's exposing herself,
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but she's definitely gonna put it on the record
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that the NYPD is corrupt.
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LLOYD: In 1930, police corruption in New York was so widespread
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that President Roosevelt ordered Judge Samuel Seabury
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to lead a public investigation.
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- During that investigation, I proved that corruption existed
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in many of the departments of the city government,
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and all of those departments were honeycombed
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with political appointees.
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- Stephanie St Clair will go before the Seabury Commission
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to testify about vice rackets
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and the participation of the NYPD in them.
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- Due to her testimony, over a dozen police officers,
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including a lieutenant, were then suspended from the NYPD.
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LLOYD: She was definitely fearless.
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She stood up to corrupt NYPD blue.
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For anyone, let alone a Black woman at that time,
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to literally be pointing out corrupt police officers in court,
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naming and shaming them!
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- In a lifetime of bold moves, that one might have been the boldest.
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LLOYD: Although St Clair managed to get the NYPD off her back,
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she still had the problem of an ambitious, aggressive gang
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from the Bronx trying to muscle in on her turf.
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- Prohibition is repealed,
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leaving bootleggers like Dutch Shultz looking for new ways
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to make money.
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And what could be more appealing than muscling in
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on the lucrative Numbers Game?
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GREEN: Dutch Shultz especially was known for making bold moves
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to take over the bootlegging game in the Bronx.
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He was using those same tactics to take over Numbers Game operations
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in Harlem.
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BEAN: But Stephanie St Clair said no.
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Harlem was about to become a war zone.
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New York, 1933.
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Prohibition is repealed and America celebrates.
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But as the liquor flowed, so too did the blood.
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Among the many gangsters Stephanie had to deal with,
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none were more vicious, more ruthless
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than one of the city's biggest bootleggers,
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notorious for torture and murder...
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Dutch Shultz.
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REPORTER: Shultz was not known for his gentle ways
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with the opposition.
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He and his mob kept New York City in a constant state
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of violence and bloody gunplay.
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This was the face that struck terror in rival mobsters.
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- Real name, Arthur Flegenheimer. He was born in the Bronx.
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Eventually becomes a bootlegger for several crime families
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in New York City.
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He was so successful at that, that he was known as
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the Beer Baron of the Bronx.
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And he also made money through paid protection.
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- Dutch Shultz was a notorious, ruthless mobster,
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who made his fortune during Prohibition.
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Shultz had made a name for himself by removing obstacles in his way.
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And those obstacles were people.
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He would torture people, he had people killed.
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Dutch Shultz, it's estimated that at the height of his success
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was bringing in about 20 million dollars a year,
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which for that time is a huge, huge sum of money.
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So when Prohibition ended, obviously gangsters then
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were looking at other ventures to make up for these lost profits,
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which were ginormous.
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HARRIS: During the early 1930s, we see many white racketeers
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whose funds have dried up because Prohibition is over
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look for new avenues of income.
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The Numbers Game was seen as the welfare clients' Wall Street,
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it was called the âNâ word pool.
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This is a game that only Blacks play.
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This is a game thatâs not profitable.
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But once many of the Black racketeers started getting arrested
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and some of their revenue was printed in the newspapers,
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white racketeers like Shultz wanted to get into that game.
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And many of them started to force people out of the business.
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GREEN: Dutch Shultz had power,
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and he had the support of people like Jimmy Hines,
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who was a Tammany Hall political machine, Democratic boss.
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He was a huge, huge threat, and thatâs why so many people,
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rather than try and fight him, just succumbed to his wishes,
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whether that be paying him a portion of their business
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or handing it over entirely.
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HARRIS: And Stephanie St Clair was one of his targets.
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- And she was like, âNo!â
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And with that, all hell broke loose.
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Harlem was at war.
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You can go anywhere in America. But youâre not coming into Harlem.
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Harlem is ours, Harlem is for Black people.
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Stephanie said sheâd resist any attempt by Shultz
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to breach her borders.
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- And she did. Shultz sent in his soldiers,
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armed in forces who used intimidation,
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beatings...
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..bombings and murder
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to muscle in on St Clairâs territory.
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But as well as fighting back with her own network of gangsters,
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she was well ahead of her time
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when it came to the weaponisation of public opinion.
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- The beef between those two really on St Clairâs part is a public beef.
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Both of them make this about saying things about one another
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in the newspaper.
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St Clair is quick to go to the New York Amsterdam News,
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which is a Black newspaper
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and talk about Schultz and other white racketeers
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coming into Harlem and taking over this game.
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And of course, wanting to project a sense of toughness
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and wanting to really keep what she's grown. She's like, "No!"
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FARMER: Stephanie said, âIâm not afraid of Dutch Shultz
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or any other man living, heâll never touch me.
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I am sane and smart and fearless.â
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LLOYD: She went to the newspapers and wrote articles,
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calling on anyone who was buying a ticket, to buy Black.
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HARRIS: This is many ways is a form of economic nationalism.
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If whites are treating you in particular types of ways,
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you should not do business with these people.
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So, challenging Shultz in a newspaper
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is just one of a variety of ways that St Clair speaks out
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against white encroachment.
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LLOYD: The rivalry between Dutch and Stephanie would escalate.
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Dutch once sent an underling to intimidate her.
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St Clair pushed him in a closet
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and told her bodyguards to, quote, âGet rid of him."
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- She dramatically walks through Harlem
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and goes to white businesses,
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which serve as numbers drops for white racketeers,
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and she goes into those businesses, she trashes the place,
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and tells the white business owners
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to get out of Harlem, you know, this is Black game.
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Just really causes a spectacle at some of these stores.
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FARMER: Legend has it that at some point
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she even had to go into hiding because he had put a hit out on her,
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and she retaliated in kind, both in print and on the streets.
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- She refused to let this man walk over her
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and take her business that she'd worked so hard for
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and that was so successful for her.
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She waged an all-out war.
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Itâs estimated that it was responsible for about 40 murders.
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She fed information to the police about Schultz's operations,
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and due to this, they were able to infiltrate his house
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and seize 12 million dollars of his money
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and arrest a lot of his employees.
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LLOYD: She went toe to toe.
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00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,600
I know so much of the violence is vilified.
504
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,200
But I think weâve got to remember that weâre talking gangsters.
505
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,640
You couldnât go to small claims court. This isnât a civil matter.
506
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,080
People had to work out their grievances on the street,
507
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,800
and weâre talking millions of dollars.
508
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,560
I think itâs great that she stood up to him.
509
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,040
BEAN: But Dutch Shultz was soon get his comeuppance
510
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,800
for defying the Commission,
511
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,320
the governing body of organised crime in New York.
512
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,240
LLOYD: Dutch Shultz was being prosecuted for tax evasion
513
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,720
by District Attorney Thomas Dewey.
514
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,080
- Racketeers succeed only so long as they can prey upon
515
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,520
the fear or weakness of disorganised or timid victims.
516
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,120
LLOYD: He asked the Organised Crime Commission if he could kill Dewey,
517
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,200
but they unanimously denied the request
518
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,920
for fear of bringing the full weight of the government
519
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,720
down on all of them.
520
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,680
But Shultz put the hit out on Dewey regardless.
521
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,360
Here was the loose cannon of Dutch, doing what he wanted again.
522
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,000
So the Commission hired Murder Inc
523
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,680
to take Shultz out.
524
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,040
Murder Inc, or the Syndicate, was an organised crime group
525
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,520
that acted as the enforcement arm of the Commission,
526
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,920
led by Charles Lucky Luciano...
527
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,960
..Meyer Lansky...
528
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,000
..and Bugsy Siegel.
529
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,520
Incredibly, they were responsible for between 400 and 1,000
530
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,720
contract killings in that period alone.
531
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,520
BEAN: Itâs 10:15pm on October 23rd, 1935.
532
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,560
Dutch Shultz is in the restroom of one of his favourite restaurants,
533
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,320
the Palace Chop House in Newark, New Jersey.
534
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,200
Two gunmen - Charles Workmen and Mendy Weiss -
535
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,280
burst through the door and opened fire.
536
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,600
LLOYD: The Commission took no chances. They needed Dutch dead.
537
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,840
The gunmen intentionally used rusty bullets
538
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,800
to increase the chances of sepsis and infection
539
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,280
in case the gunshots themselves were not fatal.
540
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,080
- Wanting to have the final word,
541
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,360
Stephanie immediately sends a telegram to her enemy
542
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,400
on his deathbed, signed "Madam Queen of Policy."
543
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,240
It read, "As you sow, so shall you reap."
544
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,280
HARRIS: This is Galatians 6:7.
545
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,160
"All the evil that you have sown and placed upon myself and others,
546
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,600
youâre reaping that now."
547
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,320
- I think when Stephanie sent the telegram,
548
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,880
it shows really that sheâs going back to her true values.
549
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,960
This is someone who is always fighting for the underdog.
550
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,240
This is someone who has that strong moral sense
551
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,120
of what is right and what is wrong.
552
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,680
And sheâs just reminding that person of his wrongdoing
553
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,880
as her final word to him
554
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,760
so that he is reminded of really where heâs going to go
555
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,120
after the moment he takes his last breath.
556
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,360
LLOYD: "As you sow, so shall you reap."
557
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,200
Itâs poetic justice.
558
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,640
BEAN: And with no more battles left to fight,
559
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,200
Stephanie St Clair got out the game,
560
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,560
passing her empire on to her trusted enforcer Bumpy Johnson.
561
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,840
And you might think her story ended there,
562
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,760
but she would soon cross paths with a man known on the streets
563
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,080
as Black Hitler.
564
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,280
And this time, things would get personal.
565
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,520
Itâs 1935 and Stephanie St Clairâs main rival, Dutch Shultz,
566
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,840
is six feet under.
567
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,240
With the turf wars over, Stephanie steps back from the Numbers Game,
568
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,080
ready to enjoy her fortune and live a quiet life.
569
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:29,560
But her peace wouldnât last long.
570
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:33,640
She would fall straight into the arms of Sufi Abdul Hamid,
571
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,160
a man the press would later call Black Hitler.
572
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,000
- Sufi Hamed, whose real name is Eugene Brown,
573
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,440
and Eugene Brown was a Chicago political activist
574
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,240
who migrates to New York City.
575
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,480
- He was a religious leader and a union leader
576
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,640
and he had a preference for Nazi-style military dress.
577
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,400
And also he was very anti-Semitic.
578
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,880
And thus he earned the nickname Black Hitler.
579
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,400
Like St Clair, he was trying to advocate
580
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,000
for Black advancement.
581
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,520
So he organised a lot of boycotts of white shops,
582
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,520
a lot of white Jewish shops.
583
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,720
He was a very flamboyant and a very controversial figure.
584
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,960
HARRIS: His persona is very larger than life.
585
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,880
This is someone who preaches from the corner of 135th and Lennox Ave,
586
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,800
with black riding boots, you know, colourful pants,
587
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,000
a white shirt, a really long cape,
588
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,120
a really big turban. He has a really massive beard.
589
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,960
This would be a person that you would stop and actually listen to.
590
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,320
Just not based upon necessarily what he's saying,
591
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,720
but just based upon the way he looks.
592
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,560
LLOYD: They were a power couple.
593
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:52,520
They were a power couple stomping around Harlem.
594
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,280
I think this is really good for her mythology and her brand.
595
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,160
Here was someone else speaking out as vociferously as she did.
596
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,560
But it seems like Sufi was only with her for the money.
597
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,240
And whilst he may have been flamboyant and eye-catching,
598
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,600
his antisemitism was toxic
599
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,440
and stirred up ill-feeling and tensions
600
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,720
with nearby Jewish districts.
601
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,520
- The marriage lasts for about two to three years.
602
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,240
There's an alleged affair between Stephanie St Clairâs friend,
603
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,120
Dorothy Matthews, who is a famous Harlem occult leader.
604
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,320
So, Stephanie St Clair wants to confront him.
605
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,760
- She waited for him when he was going to meet his lawyer one day,
606
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,840
stood in the hallway, and shot him three times.
607
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,480
- The first shot, he's hit in the mouth,
608
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,920
cracks a tooth. The second shot goes through his coat jacket.
609
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,280
And the third shot goes over his head.
610
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,600
- In the trial, St Clair said he had been treating her very poorly,
611
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,880
and that he'd been having the affair.
612
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,280
But that also, her handling the gun, which she claimed was his,
613
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,880
was only meant to scare him rather than actually meant to shoot him.
614
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,080
HARRIS: She's arrested, she's indicted and she's prosecuted
615
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:20,440
and she's given two to ten years at the Westfield State Farm
616
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,840
in upstate New York.
617
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,440
LLOYD: Stephanie starts her second stint behind bars.
618
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,880
Hamed, who survives the shooting, tries to make a comeback.
619
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,840
But news of the affair did major damage to his messianic image.
620
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,240
BEAN: What a character Hamed was.
621
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,480
He ends up trying to prove to his followers
622
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,240
that he's not leading a life of excess,
623
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,040
and the way he chooses to do that is to publicly fill up the fuel
624
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,520
for his private airplane himself.
625
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,120
He ends up crashing the plane and dying,
626
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,120
cos he hadnât put enough fuel in it.
627
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,400
- After Stephanie St Clair comes out of prison
628
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,800
in the early 1940s,
629
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,880
we really don't know a lot about her.
630
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,760
The New York Amsterdam News suggests
631
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,400
that she lived in seclusion and travelled to the Caribbean.
632
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,960
Another ad suggests that Stephanie St Clair was hospitalised
633
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:29,800
at a mental institution in Central Islip, Long Island.
634
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,600
- She also appears in the late '60s
635
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,880
when she would have been about 77,
636
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,840
in a court document where she accuses a van driver
637
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,360
of knocking her down.
638
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,880
She got $2,000, which is the equivalent to $15,000 today.
639
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,760
I think why I like that story
640
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,560
is because she had also bought a house,
641
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:02,280
but in terms of the records, she wasnât able to keep up payments.
642
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,200
And so it seems like even at 77,
643
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,680
sheâd do what it takes to get that money.
644
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,160
HARRIS: When the money is issued to her lawyer,
645
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,120
all of these creditors come after the money.
646
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,040
This is a person who has a rags-to-riches story
647
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:25,480
and seemingly towards the end of her life has a riches-to-rags story.
648
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,480
- Stephanie St Clair is an extraordinary story.
649
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,000
From being a maid to a crime boss to an activist.
650
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,680
- Stephanie was someone who really fought to see change happen,
651
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,320
and not only that, but she fought for that at a time
652
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,520
where she would be bearing the brunt of a lot of force against her
653
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,840
to stop her from doing that.
654
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,720
So it wasnât something that she was able to speak really openly about.
655
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,080
- She was never one to resist writing an editorial
656
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,720
and placing it in a magazine or in the local newspaper,
657
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,000
where she decried the police ignoring the civil rights
658
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,600
and the legal rights of Black people in the community.
659
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,280
She talked openly and often about the ways in which Black women
660
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,400
endured assault at the hands of the police.
661
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,160
LLOYD: She rallied Black people.
662
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,120
They were talking about what it meant to be Black in America
663
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,120
at a time when Black people were finding their voice.
664
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,320
And not only did she find her voice, she lived her voice.
665
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,600
- What started as a desire to grow her own empire
666
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,520
became a way to give back.
667
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,640
A genuine desire to see Black Americans lifted up.
668
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,000
That to me, that says something fascinating
669
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,320
about human nature, about solidarity.
670
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,200
You practice it enough, no matter what the reason,
671
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,600
it becomes who you are.
672
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,640
- I think one of the reasons that Stephanie St Clair is not remembered
673
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,520
and ensconced in history the way others are,
674
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,720
is first and foremost because she was a woman.
675
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,040
We often don't preserve the histories and contributions
676
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,040
of women in general at the same rate that we do with men,
677
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,800
and certainly not Black women.
678
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,080
- Folks like Stephanie St Clair have been marginalised or excluded
679
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:24,240
from history books, because there's a tendency to kind of spotlight
680
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,800
and become really preoccupied with those who were doing the striving,
681
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,120
like those who were what we would call a credit to the race.
682
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,920
But within that, more scholars are looking at the complex lives
683
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,600
of working-class, ordinary Black people.
684
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,760
I think there's a tendency now to explore those people
685
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,640
who lived more complicated and more layered lives.
686
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,880
- Perhaps the legacy that Stephanie leaves behind
687
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:59,960
is that despite all of the discrimination,
688
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,480
there's something unyielding in the human spirit,
689
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,840
a refusal to accept the hand you've been dealt.
690
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,920
- A part of her legacy is persevering over tough obstacles,
691
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,120
especially when you're kind of born into a world
692
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,080
where you're not supposed to thrive, let alone survive.
693
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,800
- Why isn't Stephanie St Clair better known today?
694
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:33,240
Would she be more widely remembered if she'd been white or a man?
695
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,280
Or is it because she knew when to quit?
696
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,600
We'll never know for sure,
697
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,640
but perhaps we should let HER have the last word.
698
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,960
ST CLAIR: "Many persons have said that theyâre afraid for me
699
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,160
and that I should be careful.
700
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,480
I'm not going to be any more careful than I have been.
701
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,120
Please have no fear for me.
702
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,040
I have no fear of anybody.
703
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,320
I'm going to continue to fight until the members of the race
704
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,280
get their just and legal rights."
705
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,960
- She was the OG, the Original Gangster.
706
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,640
Black, Queen, Badass.
707
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,480
# LAURYN HILL: So Much Things To Say
708
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,400
# Yeah
709
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,440
# Yeah, yeah
710
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,760
# Yeah, yeah, yeah
711
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,960
# Why, why, why, why, why, why
712
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,000
# Why, why
713
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,080
# They've got so much things to say right now
714
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:45,600
# They've got so much things to say
715
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,080
# They've got so much things to say right now
716
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,800
# They've got so much things to say
717
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,240
# I'll never forget, no way
718
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,880
# How they crucified Jesus Christ... #
719
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,080
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