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Hi, Terry. Thank you so much for inviting us here today.

Now, we are going to go on an incredible journey with your life.

You have had some amazing experiences since you were a child, basically

connected around extraterrestrials.

Now, you call your friends the extraterrestrials, your Orion friends.

But what we'd like to know is really when and how did it all begin for you?

I don't call them my Orion friends.

Oh, you don't? No, it's when I had the book published that the publishers

them my Orion friends. Oh, apologies. OK.

That's all right.

But it all started for me, I suppose, from the time when I could acknowledge

things and realise that, yeah, I'm here. But at a very young age, when

I knew that I could probably, if I sat and concentrated, I could probably...

realised what people were thinking.

And to me, I didn't think that was anything strange, because why should I?

little kid, I wouldn't know that.

And I did know there was things going on in people's lives with sicknesses at a

very young age, and I felt the ability that I might be able to help them as

well.

But as the years went on, I think the most amazing thing was when I had some

back surgery done, which...

It couldn't be done where we are now. It had to have been done outside of this

planet. So that was when it all came home to me that, big time, there's more

this than just a psychic ability or a healing ability.

There's also a real seriousness to it as to where all this stuff's coming from.

I'm not a UFO researcher.

I don't sit in my garden and look up at the stars all night or anything silly

like that.

I listen to a lot of people, what they have to say about the subject.

But I try to distance myself from what they're saying as to what really happens

to me.

So when I researched it, because I'm not a UFO researcher, I researched myself.

It was what I thought was happening.

And actually took the trouble to get copies of x -rays. So I got the proof. I

got medical reports.

So I got the proof as to what's been happening.

So I suppose from sort of 15 or 16 was a bit of a hard time for me when you're

suddenly becoming an adult.

And you've got to deal with things in real life. And when you get friends that

you don't want them to think, it's a bit weird, there's something going on here.

But friends of mine have contacted me since, back from when I was 14 or 15.

There was one incident that some guy came to my home probably about 10 years

ago, because I'm getting on for about 33 now, about 10 years

ago. He turned up and he said, we hadn't seen each other for about 20 years.

Okay. And he said, do you remember the time when we was in this particular

And I said, yes.

He said, and you went to the corner of the park. He said, and there was like a

greenish mist hanging over the park. And I thought then it had something to do

with the street that ran through the park.

And I went across there and then there was a little boy with similar colour

to yours and these big blue eyes and invited me into somewhere, which at the

time it could have been the pavilion. I don't know.

Oh, so you were invited into a building?

Into something, yeah. Oh, into something. But when I went in there, I

recognise it. It was obviously strange, you know. Okay.

It was a building, though.

No, it wasn't a building, no.

To me, I was trying to, in my mind, accept it as a building. Okay. Because

never experienced anything like this before.

And so I went inside and it was very clinical.

And then he just took a nick out of my shin.

Was this someone the same age as you? Yeah, just the youngster. Might have

been younger than me.

With this beautiful blonde hair.

Can I just ask how they were dressed?

How they were dressed? Well,

yeah, I can remember. Didn't have a shirt and tie on.

Didn't have overalls on.

Sort of a bluey, sort of bluey clothes they had on.

I can't remember.

whether it was trousers or what they had on, but like a bluey, I wouldn't take

that much notice, really.

I was quite sugar to what he would want to sort of nick my shoe. So they took

you into a building, or one person took you into a building?

Yes. And then they took a... I was assuming it was a blood sample.

Okay. Did you not wonder why they were doing that? Of course I did.

Did you not object?

No, because I just went on the floor.

In a state of shock, I suppose.

But I did have a feeling that there was no harm in what was happening. Okay.

You know.

So you were quite at peace with the situation.

Yeah, and of course then, later years, I can only assume that it was a craft

that I went on. Okay.

Some sort of a, if you like, alien craft. But my granddaughter said to me,

you don't see UFOs, Grandad. How can you call them UFOs when you claim to be on

board these things? So you know what they are.

You know, they're ships from somewhere else. Exactly.

So... That was probably a bit of a wake -up call when I was a kid.

But this is my friend telling me that at the time he remembered it, he didn't go

inside himself. There was two boys. There was Dave and a guy called Roy.

And they said that they felt as though they were frozen at the time. They

couldn't move.

Did you feel like time had stopped or changed or anything like that? No,

I was sort of in a shock.

It's not until you get older and you realise... You look back.

Yeah, that you put an explanation to what happened. Okay.

And so he said, but we always thought you were going to harm us. And I said,

there's no reason to harm you.

And he wanted me then to explain what happened, and I told him what my

experience was with that.

But why they don't know, I don't know. I don't know. There's no sort of

explanation for that.

But that was, let's say, one of the first things that I started thinking

well, what is going on?

Does this happen to other people?

Can't ask the question because people just think you're completely crazy.

So it wasn't an illusion. So now somebody's told me that they saw it as

Two people there that saw this thing happen.

I got home that evening and I said to my mother that I'd been in the river down

there and I'd caught my chin on a piece of glass.

So you didn't want to tell anyone what happened to you? So I actually made an

excuse. So why should I want to make an excuse? But I did. That's what happened.

But I know my mother knew different.

She knows, and she's still alive, and she knows what went on. But she won't

admit to any of it. Could you... I know it's really gone back in time for you,

but can you remember anything about this place that you were taken into where

they took a nick of your skin? What was it like? To me, it was like a clinic.

Oh, okay.

Very clinical.

That's the only thing. And were there other people there?

No, just that one person.

It was a person. It wasn't a slut with a little grave.

No grave.

No, it was quite human -looking.

Now, you don't believe in the grave of sluts, do you?

Well, I'd have to believe if I saw one, wouldn't I?

Okay. But I haven't experienced that.

And I don't know, I think it's a bit of a myth, and I think that...

I can't say too much because I don't want to be thinking that more women seem

have experiences with them than not.

And I don't know why.

Well, I've come across this in other cases where I've spoke to people.

And what the general consensus is, is because women only produce

one egg per month, whereas the male obviously produces a lot of sperm.

less need for them to take the men because people seem to think that they

cross -breeding or making a new population of alien -human

hybrids. We're not really sure what the bottom of it is, but that is why more

women are taken than men because they can get quite a lot from men. That's

you know, it's not very often that happens. But we're not sure why they

particular men.

Is it just a lottery, or is there a specific reason that a certain male is

taken? Is it because maybe someone in their family, their genetic line has

taken before them, so they want to carry on a certain line?

What do you think about that theory?

Well, I hear what you say, but I don't really have an interest. I think that

women have their thing every month, and it affects their body big time.

And I've known of women that have told me stories about things, but I found out

that they've had miscarriages or upsets in their life.

And it's a way for them to react, because I don't think there's any

proof that little grey aliens have come along and kidnapped somebody and taken

them away and probed them or prodded them. I don't...

I can't see why they should do. But they're not always grey, are they?

I don't know.

To me, it's always the grey aliens.

I don't know any other aliens.

I mean, the guys that I talk about, I don't even call them aliens.

And to me, they're not aliens. I think that we've all come from other planets

come onto this Earth. So we're not aliens.

We've been brought here by other planets.

And I think they could do that.

They could fetch you here. That technology is so advanced to what ours

do they want to mess around with sperm and eggs and things?

Well, this is the question. What is going on? So why do they want a new

generation of what?

But if they are coming and taking a nick out of your skin as such, what is the

purpose for that?

Well, I can only put mine down to that my blood test comes back ever so

Okay? And so does my mother's.

And I got the proof of that. I got the blood test done.

There's something like, is it bubbles in your blood?

Oh, that's another thing.

Like you've been out of space.

Yes,

that's right. Like you've been living in Mexico City for years, or you've been

out in space as an astronaut.

So there's that, which I got the blood test done back.

So I can only think that that was done for a purpose when I was young. Like the

experiences I've had, which have been very frightening when I was young,

say to you look this you're going to experience these things in life so this

what's going to happen so when i was a kid i used to have some frightening

experiences and i've seen some frightening things you have haven't you

reading your book yeah very unusual things some frightening people as well i

think we all see them but i don't you see i don't talk about anything else

than what happened for me but i don't know and if people are seeing gray

running around or weird things then obviously they've seen them It's not for

to question.

And if they've had implants done well, then they have.

I mean, I don't know. I can't recall anything like that happening to me.

You know, mine's been a different sort of a thing that's been happening over

years. So why is it happening to you? Why is what is happening to you

to you? I don't know.

They haven't told you? No, why should they?

Well, I don't know. They should give you a heads up, I think, at least. No, no.

I think I would probably... realize that what's happening is quite a natural

thing so it's part of my life but part of your life but you're not curious to

know why because you you wrote in your book about you have this connection with

with egypt yeah i think it goes back possibly a past life to egypt that you

believe that you were there And it was a connection with the pharaohs, wasn't

it? Well, that was interesting, because that's something that Robert Bovell...

Because you've been reading... Yeah, I went with Robert and Graham Hancock, but

I think that's how Robert worked it out, that maybe I was a pharaoh years and

years ago. A very important one, of course.

Do you know which one?

No, but I always feel very impotent.

Impotent or important?

I was obviously an important pharaoh, of course.

They had a capability, this is what Robert's telling me through his

that they could go as a human person into the spirit world if there was a

certain place in Egypt by the pyramids, and they would go into the spirit world.

Do you mean as in actual projecting?

I don't know what that means.

Well, I think the posh word today is remote viewing.

That's a lot of crap, isn't it?

Is it?

Yeah, it's a lot of rubbish.

Why do you think that?

You see, you're going to find that when you're in a dream state, all weird

things can happen, can't they? You know, in a dream state.

So I don't know with these things.

I'd have to be on some very strong drugs, I think, to do this.

astral projecting well i have to i have to personally say i have astral

projected oh my wife says she's all remote viewed and i know a lot of people

have and it is different to a dream well then okay so i can i can not remote

view but um i could i can see things going on Okay. And everybody has been in

different ways, don't they?

I don't put names on the things that happened to me. I just think it's an

thing, an actual occurrence, if you like.

So I don't have to put a box or a tab to it that, oh, I just remote viewed,

because I didn't. I saw something. In the book, I predicted the thing that

happened, the tsunami.

Okay. Yeah. But the publishers wouldn't put the full story, because it would

frighten people.

Okay. Now, to me, that's not remote viewing.

That's...

my computer in my brain waking up like they did years ago and saying look this

is what you're capable of seeing you can see these things that go on but to me

that's not a remote viewing I think there's so many different things that we

to figure out when we get messages or feelings not necessarily everything is a

remote viewing or an astral projection because you usually have to be in a

strange state of a deep consciousness or a meditation to go on an astral

projection but sometimes you just get a flash don't you or a feeling that

something's going to happen and you get a lot of these don't you yes yeah i get

nine things um you know i mean the thing in egypt is that i'd get a regular

occurrence i mean probably every other week i've seen something and um it would

be um standing back from the pyramids and seeing like a big sun coming over

and to emerge me. And I think that's the feeling of going into the spirit world,

but not as an actual astral projection, but as actually physically going there

as a human being into the spirit world. So I put the brakes on it, because I

don't want to go there.

So you actually had an experience, didn't you, in one of the Egyptian

didn't you?

So did you feel like you were, like in the movie Stargate, actually going to

In the movie Stargate, they are used as, like, transportation machines.

You know, I think that... Is that what you think they are? Well, all the... You

see the comic and all these things.

Why do they put these things? Because obviously they've happened.

Well, exactly.

There's always a different truth in it, maybe. Yeah, yeah.

I think that... I was trying to explain to Robert and Graham that the

sarcophagus is actually...

It's a machine that travels through space.

And you don't need a door in the Pyramid to get this thing in and out, because

when it's up and running, it's transparent anyway.

So the whole thing moves?

No, it just goes like a big jelly.

So things can travel in and out. This thing travels like a superconductor, so

can whiz around the space.

But I think they brought spirits and souls back in this thing, because it's

of granite.

And it was a sealed thing.

Were you not curious to just let go and go?

No.

No. Why?

Because something tells me it wouldn't be the thing to do.

Because I think I'd just go and be stone dead on the spot.

And I didn't want that to happen.

Because I think you've got to be dead.

And I think these fairies used to die when they had that experience. They'd go

into the spirit world. That's where you would be.

Which is a far better place, apparently, to be than what it is here.

So I've heard.

Sign me up.

That's what the pharaohs were like.

They wanted their body to last longer on this earth.

Because when it rotted away, then they'd probably come back.

Do you know anything of monatomic gold that the pharaohs were supposed to eat,

believe? Well, what they do is powdered gold.

Yeah. And what they would do, yeah, in carrots, there's like the carotene in

carrots. In certain foods, there is this...

And what it would do, it would give you telepathy.

And so you'd be very telepathic.

And that's what the other pharaohs, I don't think, I think before the

I don't think that we used to talk as we're talking.

Because I think, I watched a programme about wolves, and I reckon that wolves

talk without a speak.

Sorry, can you repeat that?

Yeah, told us how to speak.

Because of that grunting, because I think we used to grunt a lot. I grunt a

now and sniff a lot.

But that's got something to do with it, because we lost the telepathy.

We didn't have to talk to people.

You know, we could just sort of do this through our minds.

your pharaohs which you believe you're in contact with the the actual threshold

from orion are they did they genetically engineer mankind

are they connected with the uh the anarchy well i don't know i mean um

it's interesting because when i see the program on the crystal skull okay and

that's supposed to be some sort of computer device of of what our brain is

supposed to be or something.

Is this the one... Dove child?

No, no, no.

There's several crystal skulls, but I think there's possibly supposed to be

genuine one. Oh, yes, I know. See, I'm not talking to me, I'm talking to what

you might see on the TV.

Now, and the Anunnaki, I mean, I don't know. I've heard stories about that sort

of thing, you know.

But I don't think that we were particularly... Maybe we were modified

atmosphere on this planet.

to be able to breathe on this planet, and things like that.

Maybe there were things done like that, but I think we were human beings before

we come here, but maybe adjusted to suit the planet.

You know, like we get different nationalities, so like the Mayan Indians

come from their planet, the Tibetan monks, and also they've got some

of the bodies of the star people, like the Tibetan monks in one of their

and the Egyptians have got.

They're bodies of the star people.

So they've all got the people there, but you're not going to get to see them,

obviously. But these are the first people to come to the Earth from the

beginning. But, yeah, I think we were probably just adjusted or finely tuned

settle down on this planet, just to hate each other and kill each other and

shoot each other and cause a lot of problems.

But I don't think we've realised yet that we don't need that.

That's not part of it.

So we've got a bit of a journey to go.

What do you know of...

extraterrestrials from wherever actually having bases on here on earth or in the

sea lots of other things to think they they have bases underwater and also

on the moon if you could tell us about what you know about anything who

are here i'll only know what you know because i only know what i've seen on

tv and whether i want to bleed that or not well i just wondered because you

a lot of very interesting contacts who maybe can share things with you in

confidence or not in confidence.

Do you think that we're actually moving towards some kind of contact,

big contact as such?

I think that's happened.

I think that's happened.

We have got contact, but I'm saying the general public too. Yeah, well, you've

only got to look at old churches.

And if you look at the lead light in old churches, and a lot of the churches

have had their UFOs taken away because of different people, like I think one of

the kings of France got a bit of lead and stuff.

So I think that's happened.

And what you're saying is, is that going to happen again?

Possibly it will.

Because it's happened. Because you're going to look at the religious side of

things, and the Bible's full of UFOs.

And you look at old churches, you look at...

Monuments around the world and in caves, the drawing of UFOs. Well, this is it,

isn't it? It goes back thousands of years, the cave drawings. Yeah, and

people have seen them. Yeah. It happened.

So whether it's going to come around again, why not?

But I couldn't put a date on when.

But I'm sure that people are getting, like, a load of UFOs in Mexico.

There must be some contact there. In Sweden, there must be contact there with

people. So I think it is happening, but we don't get to hear about it.

You talk about your alien friends, blonde hair, blue eyes, but what about

aliens from other planets?

Do you know of aliens coming from other stars?

No, because over the years I've worked it out. And are they all friendly?

Well, I've only worked it out that, in my mind, through my experience, is that

we've got two spirits and a soul, like some of the native Indians say. So one

our spirits is not particularly here, it's somewhere else.

so that spirit is that the spirit that you see when you're in need to call for

help is that another replica of us somewhere else um so i just think that

the beginning when we came and as things came around that we came from different

styles and we were put here as humans and i think that um we did leave behind

that other spirit um i think um the one lot of indians that like the uh a little

doll a little replica of themselves when they was on another planet i think it's

called the katina doll something like that which was then on another planet

which the dress was completely different that's the way they dressed before

actually that we have a replica and i have heard the connection with orion

so not not just from your phone but from others that we have a body duplicate

it's not like the body snatchers But there is a body duplicate and we are

heading towards some change where that body is going to be becoming the main

body. Do you know anything about that? Well, that could happen.

I mean, the Americans have for years with their rockets and things, they want

get out into space. They're trying to get to Orion.

Because they think, I think, they seem to think that that's heaven.

That's where it's actually heaven.

And I heard a story a while back that the Hubble telescope had picked up this

big white city out in space.

One of the newspapers had published it, and they were told to keep quiet about

it.

Can you just say that again?

Yeah, the Hubble telescope picked up a big white city.

Why did he? In faith.

Yeah. Okay.

And the newspapers published it, and it was told not to publish it.

And the Pope finished up with all the information.

Because if you want to know the truth, you just go to the Vatican.

Well, yeah, but they don't give anything. They won't even give us the

Bible. They're not going to tell you. It's all closed and locked doors.

They're not going to tell you. So they do know what's going on, you know.

And very controlling people.

Not very nice, is it?

Well, no, because knowledge is power, isn't it? Of course.

And ultimate knowledge is ultimate power.

And it has to come out in the end, which it has to come out eventually.

Well, this is what people seem to think that we are heading towards.

And they seem to think...

Something is going to happen very soon.

Well, that's a good thought.

But I've heard this for a few years now, like, you know, the Indies and I. But

I've heard that, you know, they're going to turn up on that doorstep. People

with their placards going down Oxford Street. Yeah, it never happened, did it?

Well, I don't know.

No, because there wasn't a specific date. I think we're coming up to the

Oh, dear.

The Mayan calendar, I think. But you can't predict the end of the world.

Well, people aren't saying it is the end of the world, but what they're saying

is there's supposed to be a huge shift, isn't there? A shift in consciousness or

the way we live.

Do you think it might be something to do with maybe what's happening now with

the American, now they've got their president and things, and things are

round, and I don't know.

I don't put a lot of faith in that. He won't be running America.

The Bush family will.

And Clinton will be running America. Well, they always have, haven't they?

will run it.

And unless he slips up and says something openly, you know, which I hope

do, you know, they're all controlled people.

But it's always the same faces in power, isn't it? Of course. Always the same

faces.

This is where I was going with the ET contact before, because we hear of

Roswell. I mean, Roswell is just, everybody knows about Roswell. But what

the things behind closed doors where there's supposed to have been multiple

crashes of UFOs? But we are supposed to be, one hears, working with

ETs. You know, we have got ET contact.

They are from Orion or from elsewhere.

Have you spoken to Marcus Allen at all?

Michael? Marcus Allen.

Oh, Marcus Allen, no. Yeah, he does talk on maybe some of the technology we've

got that's come from these fresh crafts, like Velcro and things like that. He

does the Nexus magazine.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And interesting guy. I've given some lectures and he's been there and very

interesting to listen to. And then the stuff that you're talking about, maybe

later he would probably know more than I do about that because he's researched

it. But most of what happens to me is what happens to me.

Yes. So I can't really give you proper answers on other things, only my

Have you come across other people who've had similar experiences to you? Never.

Never? No.

No, there's nobody that I can say, like I was saying to you earlier, that can

say that their father used to go to a certain place every morning to meet

extraterrestrials, which I found out recently.

Do you think your father was an extraterrestrial?

I don't know. There was one lady that I did a TV, and she told me

I was part of an experiment that happened back in the 40s.

Now I've found out the background of this lady. I think she's dreaming.

Unless you've got the real proof.

I've got all the proof of what happened to me happened.

So when I talk about other things, I've got no proof of. It could just be

hearsay, if you like.

And I can't write too much into what other people say about me. Because a lot

people say, well, I'm like you.

No, you're not. You wouldn't want to be like me.

Why are you like me? You're like me that I'm a human being.

But you wouldn't want to be me.

My wife would tell you that. You wouldn't want to be me.

I'm telling you, you just wouldn't. Because all the weird things that happen

me, it's hard to control.

But I've met some people, some famous people, which maybe I can't name names

because of the TV.

No, that's fine. But one particular celebrity who's a comedian, and the

he told me, and he had an experience when he was about seven, and he predicts

things, he heals people, he sees things, but he can't contain it. And he's

permanently on drugs because of it.

I did a radio show with Reg Presley, I think it was Capital Radio, and they

said, how do you get these messages? And Reg said, well, they usually contact me

through my mobile phone and I hand it over to Terry so he can talk to them.

And we said, well, it's not nothing like that.

It's just knowing something and acting on what you know.

So I'm not going to get a voice in my head saying, it's 10 o 'clock, it's

time we got out of bed, because I know it isn't.

I want to get up at 11 o 'clock.

But I don't get nothing like that.

I might get some visions, which can happen any time. Yeah.

Some disaster or something happens. Because you have had quite a few,

you? Yeah. Yeah, there's that sort of thing.

But to explain how it really happens, I don't know.

It's just part of me, you know. And to me, it's not weird or anything like

You know, I don't, you know, if I cut myself, it bleeds. Or if I get a cold, I

get a cold.

But the thing on the healing side of it, I don't claim to heal anybody.

I don't claim that. They claim it, not me.

So I don't put, say... But you help people with their healing process.

I think about people, you know. You know, I think about them when they was

and sort of do it that way.

But not everybody, you know.

So do you think that your... Well, you don't call them your around friends.

do you call them then?

I don't call them anything.

They're just part of me.

An extended part of me, I suppose, like my spiritual self. Do you call them your

extraterrestrial? No. You don't call them anything? No, no.

No, nothing at all.

I've got a name on it. But if you have to refer to them, how do you refer to

them? Well, now I'd say it's a spiritual me.

Okay. Another me, like we've said earlier on, like it's a replica of

somewhere else, you know, that can make these things happen.

So if you've got contact with Orion, what do you think it's like on

their planet?

I've thought about that.

Yeah, loads of times. Do you know how they dream? What do you think their

buildings are like or how they live?

Do you know how they dream or things? And I think this must be the street that

they live in. You know, it might be somewhere like a nice town or something.

But then I get all...

a bit fed up a few days later because i've been in the car we go somewhere

that's the town that i dreamt about and i think oh god it's not where they live

it's here you know now so i don't know i can only imagine things you know but it

wouldn't be right would it that i'm imagining that and it's not real you

maybe they go around like um like a ghost or something and they go

All the time.

Well, you believe, because your back's been healed, that their technology is so

much more advanced. So they wouldn't be driving around in cars and flying around

in planes and using petrol like we do. Maybe it's a very tranquil place that

they just sit there playing cards all day or something.

Do you think they're sort of... Well, you said when you seen the boy who took

you into the building that he looked like you.

but would that have just been an image that he would have projected for you? Do

you think they'd be more of like an etheric being, like a lighter type of

Not quite a ghost -like, but not as dense as what a human being is. Well,

one that I did see that came into the bedroom that time was quite a normal

-looking person.

But whether there's a trick there, and that was a hologram or something, or

something like that, I don't know, but to me that was real.

But if it was a spiritual thing, maybe there's no body attached.

I mean, I don't know. I don't want to go down that path and start imagining all

sorts of things and driving myself around the bend, you know. I don't think

would be fair to me.

So I try to accept what happens to me happens.

And then not, I think if I knew too much, then it would all go wrong, you

I just try to look at things as I can. Are you happy to have these experiences

all the time? Whether I'm happy or not, I've got them.

Sometimes I'm not.

Could you give us an example when you've not been happy?

If it's not too personal.

Yeah, because it can be embarrassing.

Where I was living before, there was me, Diane, and a friend.

A lady friend of Diane's. And we was watching the television.

I said, oh, look at them poor children. That coach has left the road and gone

into a tree. It's on the news on the telly.

But the news wasn't on the TV, but that's what I could see.

I said, them poor children, some of them have died, you know, it's terrible.

And this lady said, but you're not watching the news, you're watching

programme, so what are you talking about?

I said, I've just seen this coach leave the road and go into a tree.

And she rang me about an hour later and she got the news on. She said, that just

happened. How did you know it happened before it happened?

So that then, that does annoy me, to think that why should it be so precise

that moment that I have to blurt it out.

My grandson's very psychic, and I said to him, just don't say anything to

anybody.

Don't tell them anything, don't say anything, just let it go, you know. And

try to do that a lot, but I do, sometimes I think it's important that I

illness in somebody, I would advise them to see a doctor, or, you know, or to

see a specialist about it.

And I've done it on quite a few occasions, and the results come back

thank me that there was something wrong. Well, that's it, you've found

something. But you've got to remember that this might be something, because

have a very sensitive thing to their owners and to other people. I was just

sitting in the barber's the other day, and a dog came up and started licking my

hand because I cut him.

And they're supposed to have an antiseptic in their tongue.

Yeah, I've heard that actually. And one dog's owner kept licking him on his leg,

and he had cancer there.

And they found it. I've heard that dogs can pick up cancerous cells. So maybe

I've got that ability to pick up on people, put it in a different light.

a dog, really.

Yeah, I know.

Now, you've had quite an experience with something called the time machine.

In Bath, if... You could just share that story.

Well,

it was a few years ago when I started trying to find out what this thing was

about and people's experiences. And maybe I meet somebody with a similar

experience, you know.

And then I was giving lectures for UFO groups.

And I came across this. Well, they rung me up this group over at Cambly and

said, would I give a talk for them? I said, yeah, sure, do that.

So I did.

And then a few weeks later they rang me, and we all got friends, and they said,

we'd like to take you down to Bath to show you the time machine.

And I thought, right.

And I said, Diane, I think we might have hit the jackpot here. These people have

really lost it.

And so I thought, well, we'll have a go.

So we drove down there the first time, and the chap's car actually broke down

the way down there.

And they all thought it was a bad omen or something, you know, these people.

and I just thought, no, your gearbox is gone.

So we didn't make the first trip.

Then the second trip came around, and so we went down there, not knowing what to

expect. Now, if you can imagine a private terrace house, this is the end

house in Bath.

Very, very tiny house.

It was on the left -hand side, and so we went up to the door.

They knocked on the door, and this guy came to the door, and they went in there

pretty fast.

But I didn't, because I didn't know I had to.

And the guy literally pulled me in the door.

Why?

Because when you went in there, the thing opened up to a big massive hall, a

room, which wasn't possible for a small town like that.

Are we talking tardive like here? Yeah, like a tardive. Oh, OK.

And the reason he pulled me through, he said, if you don't do that, you'll be

sick.

It'll just make you sick. So he just whipped me in there.

So... Then I looked all around, very, very curious at the place.

He had lots of antiques in there.

Then he had what he called the healing machine, which was like a table you'd do

operations on.

You've got the pictures of that, haven't you? Yeah, you'd look at people on if

they weren't very well.

And over the top of it was like a big massive bright light.

where he told me there was £250 ,000 worth of precious gemstones in there

big helium lights at the back.

People have since said that it was impossible because those helium lights

probably radiate you. It wasn't healthy.

Worse than going on the sunbed.

So then he was explaining how it worked and I said, where did you get the idea

from? He said, well, I wanted to meet you, he said, because...

I'd read your book and you talk about Orion, etc.

He said, I had an experience, he said, that I met these people from Orion.

I'd been in their ship and they gave me the blueprints of this machine.

And I had to go to Hewlett -Packard to tell them to build this machine.

Well, this was like back in the 60s, the early 60s, that this happened to him.

And I had heard that Hewlett -Packard, when they started, their idea was to

build a time machine.

Then it sort of ended with computers.

So maybe this is part. But they built a computer for him, which he had there.

And he put an audio tape in his computer.

And the most weird things happened.

So he said, but with this machine, this healing machine, he was charging like

£20 an hour. But he was taking more electric than that, I think.

I actually shoved my agent on there because he had migraine.

And we put him on there. And it did help him. It helped him. But he said he'd

had loads and loads of famous people there.

Maggie Thatcher.

But he had a book that they'd all signed. Okay.

Okay. Did you have a peek?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. He had a look, yeah. And they were. They'd all signed the book.

And he said that he had this... The other end of the room was this big dome

in the ceiling, which he said was a time travel machine.

And I thought, well, we'll have a go at that one. There was something unusual

about the dome, wasn't there? Yeah.

I, being a bit curious, asked him if I could use his toilet.

But what I did, I went upstairs over this room to see where the dome came up

the room.

Now, the dome should have gone through the room, I would have thought, at

I don't know, maybe getting on for three feet.

OK. Now, I know the distance between the ceilings is not that, because I worked

on the building.

So how did he hide that?

But the ceiling level downstairs...

It was constant right the way through.

So the ceiling level was as it is.

Now, he got his hand and he went like that and he put it through the dome.

Now, I'm thinking, that's a trick.

He put it actually through the dome of the ceiling?

Yeah.

Then he said, well, I can, on this occasion, I won't use the time machine.

But if you come back and we get ready for it, we can use it.

So I said, well, fair enough.

I was looking all around the place, and it was the most unusual place I've ever

seen. This guy was about 78 years old.

I think his name was Gordon Pringle, something like that, Pringle, something

like that.

He's passed away now. But this machine was keeping him alive because he had

kidney problems.

My friend was on their land, and it was cooking him. He went quite black.

But he said, within 20 minutes of getting off, you'll come to your normal

colour. Okay.

Which he did.

Don't do a nice turn.

Yeah.

And the second time I visited, I went down and I explained it to Lionel

Fanthorpe about this thing, and he wanted to see it.

So I said, I'll get you an invite.

So we all met there, and Lionel, his wife, and one of his daughters.

Sounds a bit like the Famous Five going on an adventure.

Yeah, well, I said, no, I'm not going.

I think now she's... Although she says I think she wished she had it done,

because that was an experience.

So the second time we turned up there, and I took my friend who's a security

person to check the house out, because he said that they tried to blow his

up, and he had a steel front door and reinforced windows.

Every time you went in there, he would pull the blinds, so it was completely

dark in there. Can we just rewind there? Who tried to blow up his house?

Well, he seems to think it was the pharmaceutical people.

And how did they try to do that? Because they sell drugs.

I don't know.

But there was explosions. We checked up and there was explosions in the street

because the people said they'd brought their windows out.

So something did happen, take place there.

So anyway, so my friend is actually checking the place out to see how secure

was, and it was.

And he was curious about this dome in the ceiling, where did it go to, etc.

Who built the dome?

I don't know.

Hewlett -Packard, I suppose.

Because we know Hewlett -Packard built the machine. I don't know. He never

That would have been interesting to know who did the dome.

It's all taken away now.

Perhaps it's gone somewhere in time.

Perhaps they use it on Doctor Who.

Who knows?

Anyway, so we sat round.

Government. The government must have it. Do you think so? Yeah.

Anyway, we sat round underneath this dome.

And he played this music, like the 60s music.

And I thought, no big deal. I ain't going anywhere.

Then the next thing, I'm in Rome.

I'm there.

And, I mean, I'm sure, I don't know, I'm sure that maybe they couldn't see me.

Maybe it was a dream.

But then it would seem so real. But I've been to Rome.

I've been to the places there. So maybe because I've been there, I knew what it

was like. But then I've gone to places I didn't recognise in Rome.

And they were doing some building work there.

And then...

How do you mean? Modern day or old? Old.

Okay.

Then the next thing is that we're sort of all dozy looking at each other, and

asked questions, what happened, and we all said, yeah, we've been to Rome.

All said the same thing. All had been to Rome. Yeah.

I don't know whether... Dino doesn't seem to think he was there for that

experience. I'm not sure, so I can't say whether he did or not, really. Do you

know what the time period was when you were supposed to be there? No.

No. No, I don't know at all, but it was old, you know? Edie? I don't know.

So then we were just sitting there and we thought, we were just talking about

things. Then the chap that owned the place, he said, oh, I think it's time

left now, it's getting on.

Now, we got there from around about 12ish.

Midday? Yeah. Okay. Now we're talking, maybe an hour we spent, but now we're

talking at six o 'clock in the evening.

So where were we for that five hours?

you know, that was gone.

When we came out, it was dark.

We came out, it was dark.

And we felt a little bit tired and a bit groggy, you know.

And coming back home in the drive, he even said, he said, I just don't feel

right, you know. And we said, well, we pulled over into a cafe and had a cup of

tea and sort of dealt with it until we got our senses back to us.

So that happened.

Then I've heard that people have gone down there and have tried to steal

from him.

Oh, that's horrible. Yeah, all sorts of things. And trying to get the idea of

what goes on.

There's another one, another machine my publishers found at the bottom of the

Pyrenees.

What, the same as this one?

No. There's a group of people there.

I forget what they call themselves now, but they're self -sufficient, and they

sell, like, pasta to Harrods and things like that. But it was an insurance guy

that made a load of money and built into this mountain and put this big glass

thing in there.

And introduced this time machine, which apparently was working.

Well, funny enough, that was going to be my next question was, do you know of

any others?

And there was supposed to be one in Russia and one in Sweden.

I mean, it was interesting when my son, when he was working for this company,

and one of the chaps come in and said, he'd just been to Sweden.

And he said, he'd been to this place.

And he said, I saw some strange lights in that guy.

He said, then they came in bigger. And he said, it was like big craft.

He said, we all got frightened. And we went into the hotel and was looking out

the windows. And the people in the hotel said, you have to be frightened.

They're coming all the time. They've come from stars to see us.

And they would go to the village and talk to the children in the village.

And they were blue -eyed with blonde hair as well.

I mean, I was looking back at the time machine here.

If they're...

This chap in Bath had this one in his house, and there's supposed to be others

in the Pyrenees, but if the government or others have something like this, and

it's in the wrong hands, the implications of this are absolutely

things could be taken back.

Well, go back in history or in the future and things have changed.

I mean, you just need to take out one person in a timeline and it alters

everything. It's a bit like the film, isn't it, with the old DeLorean car

into time and back in time and changing things.

Well, they say the ripple effect, I mean, it could be absolutely huge,

it? Just you change one thing in history.

It's gone, yeah.

It's actually quite dangerous.

And how do we know that it hasn't happened?

Something could have happened. When you went to Rome, something could have

happened, couldn't it? Something could be changed.

Yeah, and why did I go to Rome?

I've never wanted to go to Rome.

And then it was just that me and Diane went to Rome prior to that. Why?

Do you know of anybody else who used the time machine in this chap's house that

went anywhere else?

The only story that I heard from the guy that owned it was that he sent somebody

back in time, but when he came back to our time, he was badly bruised and been

beaten up, and he had to take him to hospital.

And they couldn't explain to the hospital what happened, but he knew that

been attacked.

Where? I don't know the story. You wouldn't tell me. He just said, you

it's very dangerous.

Exactly. Well, that's what I was thinking.

What if...

If someone had gone into the time machine, not that I want to put a damper

this because it sounds like a fantastic experience, but they actually died in

their experience, something had happened like this trap.

I mean, that again must have some implications. Well, I'm thinking on that

feeling that I'm there, but these people are ignoring me.

You know, I've got my normal clothes on. That would be questionable, wouldn't

it? Well, yeah. So you're saying they can't see you? Maybe there's two things

here, because he said, if I put this other audio tape on, it's different to

one I'm putting on. So maybe there's one that you actually are there, you know?

Because he was holding back on a load of things.

So what you're saying is like you're just an observer.

Yeah. They can't see you.

It's like you're just being a voyeur, and you can see what is happening at

time.

So it's really like your, I suppose we could say, psychic eye.

Your psychic eye is seeing it, but your physical body isn't necessarily there.

That's quite a scary experience. But for it to happen to six or seven people

with the same story. Yes, well, they've all tuned in on a frequency.

But science is progressing all the time.

And we have no idea really what goes on behind closed doors.

The other one is called Damaha in Italy.

Okay. So that might be worth looking up. I think it's Damaha. I've actually got

a tape of it, but not in use.

But they went there and they said there's lots of copper pipe running

walls, copper, like big thick copper stuff around the walls and that.

There's some sort of an earthy thing, whatever it is, you know. But I think

the ones that we don't know about which are there.

That other motorway, and why they're being used. Apparently the Germans had a

similar thing, or were delving into it, and I saw a programme about that, which

was quite interesting.

And it reminded me of this guy.

I mean, he was 78 years old, and he was quite fit for his age, but then we lost

contact, and unfortunately he's passed away. But where all that stuff's gone, I

just don't know. Well, where there's anything like this, of a new technology,

goes usually into the government's hands.

Probably.

And that's why I didn't understand why the ships were half buried in their own

planet. A third of the ships couldn't be used here. Of course they couldn't.

They were dead inside anyway.

And in that case, the entire planet is dead.

So they were back up, they got there.

And that's, you know, they'll never be used. They'll be there as monuments to

evil culture.

If that's what's happening, we should find out. Not really, because they're

light years away.

Long time, we can never know.

Unless we know the technology. So they actually travel through some sort of a

time walker. They can open doors.

They sit there. Within two days of that going on, they can open doors in the

time walk and escape it.

I don't know.

Lancet had those.

Not like that there. Maybe they had a disc with 12 stones in it.

Two discs there. They were called the Silmarils.

And then the priests held them. And they used to use a sun to shine through.

They're big stuff, every little one, they're big ones.

And they had a limited amount of heat from them, which was in those days

powerful, you know, green magic, Merlin and all that.

And they were in the war apparently, and according to one of the contacts with

Grand Master, I was one of those that blew a latches up or had a good hand in

it. So they say, this is my tennis, I've got to put this right there, so it may

be right, I don't know.

But it took 50 years to be down.

There's stones.

There's stones.

And look under there.

Look underneath that one.

Good grief, that's beautiful, isn't it?

Biggest plate of jewels ever put together in the history of mankind.

In the plate of gold.

That's really beautiful.

That's gold, Tom.

You'll agree.

Yeah.

Wow.

What a million pounds.

Absolutely gorgeous, isn't it?

The colours coming off of there, yeah.

It's only money, Arthur.

Yeah.

It's not, it's energy.

That's it, I mean, what are you, you know, money's not important, that is.

it is. It's amazing what you can do. Yeah.

Well,

me going there to be with Kat, if you look at me, and we've, um, we've played,

we've paid out the houses, Dr Carson and I, it's a good moment, and, um, put the

mic right by the way, kind of thing.

And they took one look and said, oh, come and look at that sort of thing. He

said, oh, yes, you can.

But we, well, which one? That one?

You only don't write, do you?

But I wouldn't mind getting this within a second.

Does it work on the energy field in some way? I don't know what. You don't know,

really. What is it? It's a mix.

Many other things.

Lockham Palace.

Lockham Palace.

Chris Patton.

All of them were in it. Mrs. Patter.

Down in the street.

But it didn't have to be anywhere.

Yeah. Too good.

Above and below.

Can you see it in there?

No, it looks as though you're behind it. Does it? Yeah, come forward.

Well, I am right forward of it. Yeah, come forward more.

Well, I am now two foot in front of it still.

It still looks as though your hands are becoming big. But I can actually feel.

Yeah, you can. It's a wonderful thing.

It's fantastic, isn't it? It really is.

Put your hands under that one.

Yeah, that is... That is something else. That doesn't feel... Yeah, you're going

to have to just... I'll see you.

I'll see you soon, mate.

Get rid of... What's it called?

It's either acrylic or it's...

On Monday evening I was with a guy who is very, he is a healer, and

he's also,

he's a bit of a bad boy and all the rest of it.

And I was talking to him.

There's another friend of mine who makes, he's got a camera, you know the

the ordinary video camera, and they have a program which they use, and they're

trying to look at the aura.

It's like the energy field around you, but using a video camera. I'm sure it

Similar sort of thing, but not quite the same.

It's not the sort of principle, but the idea is to try and see what is around

you. Four years ago, another friend of mine who I met while I was down here,

he came along to understand color.

A computer fan to keep the computer cool.

It's an old computer I put in there over 20 years ago.

And you're working on a new book, aren't you, Terry?

Well, we have been for about the last 20 years.

You're taking it home.

This one is to do, funnily enough, about how you can travel from planets, you

know, and different things that will throw you from one planet to another and

maybe the way that they bend in space. But there was a guy now, I'll tell you

this, there was a guy, I got a phone call from a guy who puts all those

out in space.

and he works for this university in Guildford.

He's very, very clever. And they wanted to do a 3D picture of the Earth, and

he'd done it with mirrors.

You know, he's a clever person.

And I gave a talk once, and I was talking about how you can finish up.

Because the stars are nearer than what we think they are, and they can finish

there quicker, OK?

But we are drifting away from the stars now.

Within years, they're going to be so distant.

So I was explaining... how you can travel.

And if you were to travel out in space, there are things out there like gravity

that will slow you down because of the wind from the planets. It causes the

gravity.

And this guy said, well, I don't think so, you know.

Anyway, so I get a call from this guy called Arthur.

And he said, the guy who works for the BBC, I think he was called Cook or

somebody, has done this report.

And they're wondering why one of the satellites is not moving on, it's

buffeting. But they found out it's buffeting against gravity.

So you would need a magnetic energy to get through that, to get through that,

which these guys from the stars can do.

So he said, he's prepared to send you the report and you can use it in your

book. So I've got his report.

So I can do, if the book comes out, I can do all sorts of things, you know.

There was an airline pilot locally in Crowthorne that I met, was told to keep

quiet, mustn't say anything.

And I happened to be on a small aeroplane with one of my friends.

And she brought him along with us. And she said, this is Captain so -and -so.

Worked for British Airways and worked for somebody else.

And he's had an experience and wants to talk to you.

And his experience was that he was coming into Heathrow.

He said, we were quite a bit out, but that was our course in Heathrow.

He said, and two crafts come across the front of the aeroplane.

He said, and we saw them.

He said, within a few seconds, he said.

The people on the aeroplane could see these things, but they couldn't make out

just what they were.

He said, but we know what they were because we've seen them before.

He said, then they come across the front of us again.

He said, then they come left to right, and then they just shut off.

He said, I had to do a report when I got back, but I was told not to tell

anybody anything.

He said, when I retire in two years' time, here's my card. He said, you come

see me, and if you want to put that in the book, I'll tell you exactly what

happened, times, places, and everything.

Since the book was out, I've had loads of people come forward, loads of

celebrities and loads of people, military people, that told me stories

only convinced me that what happened to me was real, it was true.

It had to be, you know?

So that's the good side of it.

So I can sleep at night not worrying.

Well, you know your truth, don't you?

Yeah.

So, on a final thought, just before we finish, two questions, I guess.

Do you think that we will have mass alien contact soon?

And if you do, do you think it will be like close encounters or will it be like

independency, friend or foe?

So it will be like mashing your potato up?

Or blowing up the White House? Will they come in peace?

What do you think?

Well, the only experience I've had has been peaceful, beneficial.

Somebody said once, well...

If you've been on board a UFO and this happened, why don't you bring something

back? I suppose you go into hospital and have an operation, you don't go around

nicking things, do you?

Under them circumstances, what am I supposed to do? I've brought back an

operation which I'm very grateful for.

That's what I've brought back. You've brought back a new body. Yeah, that's

I've brought back. And you're grateful at that? Yeah.

You can't... I suppose really some people, when they don't believe these

it's very difficult.

But why should I have to explain myself?

Well, you don't have to. I don't have to, do I? You believe it or you don't. I

really don't care.

I'm past that.

I never went into that anyway. Because I'm so convinced all the way through my

life that I didn't have to prove anything to anybody.

I've got all the x -rays and things for my own benefit.

And my blood tests for my own benefit.

You know, that's what really happened.

But at the end of the day...

it's benefited your life and the people around you. It's made it easier for me

to understand.

Exactly. I don't have to go looking.

It happens for a reason, whether you know what the reason is or not.

Maybe. Yeah, maybe. Like I say in the book, I don't think I'm here to save the

world, or they are, but I think they're keeping a very close eye on it.

You know, I mean, when you see, like, bent waters, what happened up there, and

they disarmed all the nuclear warheads, you know, and they were in this country.

We didn't even know they were in this country. Our government didn't even know

they were in this country, you know.

And when you see these, like the things on UFOs, which I watch on the telly

sometimes, and when these guys are around, they're always doing good

You know, apart from the little guys that go around probing you, I don't

And on that probing note, thank you so much, Terry, for your time. It's been

absolutely fascinating, the experiences that you've had, and I'd love to be able

to have some of them myself.

Maybe you will.

I do.

Thanks for taking your time out. Thank you so much.

Cheers.

Hello there and welcome to Gardeners World.

Thanks for joining me. I just want to say one thing to all the people at Edge.

Well done. I think it's a fantastic thing you're all doing.

Now tonight on Gardeners World, we're going to have a special show because

going to have some music.

A good friend of mine, Nick Ashron, who is actually a musician, an award

-winning writer and presenter and artist.

So this is going to be an interesting show.

Nick has made...

Many albums. This one in particular is a really nice collection of his work.

It's called Nick Akron Selections, and it's got different songs from various

albums that he's produced over the years.

And these are some of the different albums that he's done.

He's done it with himself and with his own band known as Elfin Spiral, where he

regularly has guest artists and female artists on there. So it's really

fascinating stuff.

And Nick's book, By the Light of the Star, tells us all about his life,

it's a fascinating life, isn't it, Nick?

Nick, thank you for coming on the show.

Thank you for having me. Really appreciate it, my friend. Pleasure.

Thank you. Now, a little introduction. That cannot do you justice, because your

history, I know, is a remarkable one and very varied.

And before we get into some of the things that you do now, just tell us a

bit about your varied past.

my varied past well i suppose they have to go right back to the very early

beginning of really with the seeds for what i'm doing now um and this

occurred when i was eight years old there i was eight years old and i'm

in a comp and we used to have compulsory religious education classes

Most of the time I used to stare out the window. I just wanted to be in the

trees because I used to spend all my childhood in trees. I loved being in

nature. But my attention was drawn to back into the classroom when they were

talking about an individual that went around healing people and had such an

immense amount of love and compassion.

And something really just triggered inside me that was really profound.

That's what I want to do. At that age? At that age. At eight years old? At

years old, yeah. Interesting, isn't it? It is.

It's almost like, I start the beginning of the book by saying that

it's like we do have an inner knowing, but

we don't actually know what it is we know. And our journey, to a large

is discovering actually what we already know.

But in the process of that, we discover, if you like, how things are not in

order to then find out how things are. And that kind of thing has been how my

journey has been.

And from that early age of eight, obviously I'm thinking, you know, I

any different.

You know, they're talking about a guy that goes down healing and I'm going,

I want to do that.

So how and where?

Now, because the source that was presenting that information was

the church, I thought I'll start going to church.

natural thing to do.

And yet I used to go and I'd look around and I'd think, where are the people

doing the healing?

And I'd actually question either the priests or the reverends and I'd

go up and I'd say to them, where are the people doing healing?

In the straightforward Church of England?

Yeah, yeah, in the Church of England. And I'd just get the response,

no, only Jesus could heal.

That's what they told me. And I'm like puzzled because...

They're all talking about the Bible, which is the tone that they are

that Jesus' words are in, right?

And I recall distinctly being told that Jesus said, well, I do, you can do, and

much more.

So I quote this. I go, well, why does your Bible say that then? Oh, no, only

Jesus can hear. And I was just dismissed. Christ is all and in all,

So...

And because my early childhood was quite unusual in that my father was a

commercial airline pilot.

All right.

This is his jacket.

Sorry? This isn't his jacket. No, it's not his jacket.

We spent most of my sort of early teenage years or childhood and early

years living in different countries.

Right.

The only schooling that was really available was some kind of priest -run

school, be it Catholic or Anglican or whatever.

And, you know, there was still this lack of seeing anybody doing healing.

So by the time I got to sort of about 18, 19, I didn't want anything to do

conventional religion.

Right.

You know, kind of like it didn't resonate with me. You know, like I was

we know things, but... We don't necessarily know what we know, but we

something resonates with us or not. Like a ring of truth.

That's the one.

And it's interesting that you brought that up because that was also something

that was very profound to me when there were people talking about what's the

truth? What's the truth of things? I used to ponder that and I used to go,

how can we ascertain what the truth is?

And I thought in my simple logistical mind as a young that if I want to know

what the truth is, I have to live truthfully.

And as long as I live as truthful to myself and to others, then I'm like

in the vibration of truth.

Therefore, it will resonate with me or not.

if something is presented you have those feelings that that perception then of

this resonance and this frequency to that or or you know is that something

bought later in life well it's almost like i always knew but i didn't really

know what i knew and the journey is really the terms that you're using right

frequency wavelength well yeah they might not been the terms that i used

was more like just i had this this kind of knowing and a sense An intuition.

Yeah, very much an intuition because that's the way I work, very much

intuitively.

Teaching within.

Yeah, yeah.

And it wasn't until I got to the age of about 21, 22 that I was introduced to

people that were actually doing healing. Right.

And they called it spiritual healing.

And I went up to one of the healers and I said, you know, I've been looking for

this for a long, long time.

Can I do it?

I don't know anything about the human anatomy or anything like that.

And the healer said to me, yes, of course you can.

I said, well, what do I do then? And he said, well, put out your intent.

And that has still stuck with me. The power of intent is still very much a key

understanding that I still adhere to. The power of making your intention.

This is something that seems to be fairly widespread in these fields.

For instance, in dowsing.

You know, if you're going to go and douse, there's no point in going out

wondering what it is you're going to find. You supposedly have to go out

and say, I want to find a nice clean water system.

Right, right. You have to put the intention out. And again, that's a very

frequency -led, supposedly, concept, isn't it?

Yeah, I mean, I think in terms of... You're putting out a vibe.

Yeah, the way I think in terms of intention, that is the most powerful

act that we can ever make.

Nothing would manifest in our realities unless we made... Yeah.

There's an intention for it. The will shall be the whole of the law, as Mr.

Crowley would say.

So he basically said, put out your intention to be an instrument to channel

healing energies.

I was like, that's it?

Simple as that? Yeah. And did it work?

And it did.

And, you know, I... So did you go on and heal people?

When the occasion arose of any kind of situation where I knew someone that was

suffering in some kind of way... How would you go and heal somebody?

Let's say I have done a cake right now, what sort of thing would it be?

Well, the way that I did it and the way that I was told to do it was that I

would sit the person down, tell them just to close their eyes and think of

something serene.

not worry I wouldn't necessarily tell them what I'm doing because I didn't

to create a kind of I just said oh I think I can help in some way to sit in

chair and close your eyes and then I would literally make that intent that

healing energy is coming through me and I just allow my hands to pass around the

person I wouldn't touch them I'd be a distance away from them but I would feel

that my hands got very warm

I did notice that.

And then I would, as the healer had explained to me, just go where you feel,

know, so if I felt drawn to a particular area, I'd sit and linger there for a

moment.

And basically that's as simple as it was.

Was it ever not worked?

Not in the sense, it might not have been an immediate.

There might not have been an immediate.

Although... Most people have always expressed some kind of... I mean, one

who had a back problem was convinced that I'd held some big

metal rod, pushed it up against his back.

I didn't feel physical things before. He felt like his back straightened and he

thought, he said, oh, what was that metal rod you put up against my spine? I

went, I didn't even touch it. But what do you think about maybe, you know, what

a psychologist would sit here and say that this is psychosomatic and that

are creating these feelings of a metal thing behind them inside their own mind,

etc. Do you just not care?

Or do you look into that?

I haven't needed, let's say, scientific proof or anything like that in my

journey because experience to me is a big part.

That doesn't mean to say I haven't kept an eye. I have always kept an eye on

what scientific explanations of things, particularly recently with the advent

of quantum physics and what's coming out of that camp, I find fascinating in the

light of...

what my understanding, which has come very much from more spiritually kind of,

if you like, to use the term channeled kind of. Almost as if we're, as a

society, coming full circle back to our ancestors.

Definitely. The science is putting us back that way. Well, you know, science,

some respect, what science said wasn't possible.

Yesterday they're saying it's possible now and so on and so on. I mean, people

have been using certain processes for aeons without needing scientific proof

because they've worked. And then suddenly they find the scientific

When you sit down and you think about how the Greeks and the Egyptians used to

have their healing centers and things, these are very holistic places.

Now, speaking of holistic things, one of the things that you've got into that

I'm fascinated with, and I hope you'll do for us now, is your music.

Your music has been found to be very healing to people, and I think that

is science to a lot of things, and I think that it's very provable that

frequencies can... They did experiments with plants and things like that.

Certain kinds of music, as Hugh Montgomery was on the show recently,

privately, you know, as a PhD in audiology, that certain kinds of music

disturb you as well.

Absolutely. So will you very kindly go and pick up your guitar and give us a

moments of...

All right, I'll do that.

Thank you.

So we're going to listen to a nice little bit of music now from Nick

you ever want to listen to any more of Nick Asheron's stuff, he's got plenty of

CDs out, and he's got a website, nickasheron .com, is that right?

Yes. Yes, nickasheron .com. So there's plenty of music on there I think you can

click and listen to a few bits. So are we ready, Nick?

We are indeed.

Take it away.

It's called Lover's Lullaby.

Hi there, welcome back to Gardens World. Before the break we had the wonderful

music of Nick Asheron, and it certainly prepared the soul for many things, I'm

sure.

I was listening to you, and it brought back some memories from my childhood,

when I was in a little band, which back then we called Mind Machine.

So God knows what we were thinking at the time.

But I distinctly remember I was on the keyboard and we would jam.

I remember being in a loft in Nottingham, watching the sun go down,

on the bass and the guitar stood there with whatever it was they were smoking,

and, you know, I never touched the stuff.

But we were jamming, and the most beautiful thing that I remember about it

that we were all like one.

It was as if we all knew exactly what the next person, next chord the next

person would play, and who would play the little riffs, and whatever. You

just... Strangely knew where to put your fingers on the keyboard. I've had that

a lot when working with other musicians you go into this kind of always like a

Group consciousness if you like where you're totally in tune with everyone and

you just kind of you're improvising and but somehow you managed to go all kind

of Come together in this amazing space. What I find fascinating about it. Of

course is I'm not well known for being mr. Spiritual Yeah, I'm known for me.

Logic and all that all the rest of it.

You know, it's what you mean by the word spiritual though, isn't it?

Absolutely. God, spirituality, all those things you have to define.

But I'm not well known for being spiritual and I would class that

my own mind as a kind of spiritual experience.

You know, like similar experiences I've had in, for instance, Australia where,

you know, I walked out in the morning and there is a kangaroo, seven foot

kangaroo, this far away from me and everybody is going, get me out of the

quickly. And I'm going, I don't need to. I know this kangaroo means no harm.

I have no idea how to say, how to express. I knew.

And I've had similar experiences. I've had one with a brown bear.

I've had one even with a scorpion.

Do not fear the animals because I know that I'm expressing a certain kind of

frequency.

This is similar to the kind of things that you're doing with the healing of

music, isn't it? You're expressing a frequency which resonates with people.

Yeah, and when I made the comment about spiritual, to me, what's... spirituality

means is the understanding that everything is connected that we're all

we are all connected and following a spiritual pathway again to me is with

that awareness and with that understanding is naturally going to

compassion and caring and and being aware of other people's feelings

um it's that connectedness that oneness, and that's what

I like to convey through the music. To me, nature is very, very important,

always been really important to me, still is.

I need to spend frequent times just being at one in the natural environment.

I spent all my childhood, as I said, in trees.

What would you do if, I mean, how would you advise somebody, for instance, who

is...

deeply into the material world, their life is spent 40, 50, 60 hours a week at

the office. They have to drive through the traffic on the way home.

They've got the bills, all those other things.

How would you advise them to go about getting back into some sort of balance

with nature in that way?

Well, apart from making the time to go and spend some time in nature, the other

alternative to that would be

either listening to some music that can create that kind of space, because music

is very powerful for creating that kind of space, even if you're not in it.

And of course meditation too, where you just allow yourself a silence, a space

of stillness within you, and imagine you're in that environment. If you can't

physically get there, at least you can connect with it within your own mind.

Just to me, it's so, so important in terms of nurturing my well -being, which

really important.

I see that our well -being is one of the most fundamental states to be in

because when you're in your well -being, when you're feeling really good about

yourself particularly, that then mirrors itself in your reality.

And spreads outwards to others.

And it's like you increase your vibrations, if you like, when you're in

of feeling good about yourself.

And unfortunately,

most human beings don't feel good about themselves because of the amount of

conditioning, the fear programming that humanity has been subjected to for

thousands of years in variety of different forms and still going on.

When I'm talking to people in the context of the work that I'm doing,

working with guides, which is the psychic art side of things,

the main things that come through are not telling people you know what job

should have or where they should be going out with this girl or whatever

about practical tools that the individual can use that will empower

thus empowering them assisting them in being able to create realities that are

more desirable because there are some very simple understandings of processes

that you can utilize

where you can then start manifesting realities that are more, you know, of

choice, like co -creating your reality.

The interesting thing with that is, though I'm not one that necessarily

have scientific proof of things, I've always kept an eye on what has been

out of the scientific camp, particularly with the quantum physics thing. I

remember when there was a series of scientists who were...

discovered the quark, and it was a bit of an enigma to them, because when they

were trying to ascertain what it did, it did whatever they thought it would do.

And I'm thinking, in my very simplistic way, we're talking about one of the

building blocks of our physical universe being directly affected by thought, and

ancient esoteric teachings have always said, we create our own reality, and I'm

going, well, you know, Here they've actually discovered it.

I think you're right though from the very start in many respects.

The science is important in order to help balance certain things out and to

when certain things may or may not be right.

It's a work in progress anyway itself.

But the experience, the knowledge.

that these things are true you know that that there is a connection between us

all you have to certainly experience it a lot for yourself don't you well this

would be very much you know the line that perhaps shaman or medicine men

take in in introducing

an individual into the understanding of other dimensional realities or what they

might call dream time or whatever, they would have to put them through an

experience because without them having gone through that experience it doesn't

mean anything.

You can't describe, there are certain things you cannot actually put into

Well I could sit here and talk to you all day about this fascinating stuff and

if anybody wants to know more about you and book you for lectures

You're doing a workshop on this kind of stuff, so that's great. If anybody wants

to do that, they go to nickashron .com.

And your books and your DVDs are available on the internet, on Amazon,

kind of places too.

I've also got an Elfin Spiral website, which is elfinspiral .com. E -L -F -I

spiral .com.

Nick, thank you very much.

for coming on. I do appreciate it. Thank you. I'm bringing your wisdom along.

Thank you.

Fascinating stuff about self -help that we're getting there from Nick, who now

has to swap, I'm afraid, for Brian.

We've got Brian Main coming on now, which is also about a lot of self -help

stuff, and it's probably solely about that stuff, actually. And I'm fascinated

by this character and by what he's done.

Brian made millions.

and then lost it all.

He then went and made more money and millions with a nightclub and then lost

all again.

Brian, now you're a successful author, speaker, and

many other things. Do tell us all about this past and what it is that you do

now. What, from the very beginning?

From the... You tell us, whatever you feel happy telling me.

I was born into a travelling thumb fair family.

On both sides of my family and related to circus. On my mum's side to Smart

Circus and my dad's side to Chipperfield. Big names.

Yeah, both the main circus families.

And my family have been in the funfair business for generations. But the year I

was born, my father decided to take a lease on an amusement arcade on the Isle

of Wight.

And so I grew up always having several different homes each year, one on the

Isle of Wight for the summer season, one's travelling around on the fares, so

kept touch with our route, and then a third home, which was our winter base,

just outside of Heathrow Airport.

And that continued right up until I was 18.

And like a lot of fairground people, I left school early. I left school at 13

with no qualifications.

I have dyslexia, so I found this.

reading particularly hard. There are a few enlightened

teachers that knew something was wrong and sent me for special classes and my

parents made a real effort sending me for private education.

I just couldn't seem to get the hang of it and once I left school I made no

effort to practice it and by the age of 18 I'd lost it.

At 18, my ability to read and write was so poor, I couldn't fill out a

checkbook. Really?

I couldn't spell words like 7 or 8 or 12. It was beyond me. I needed to get

somebody else to do that for me. And yet you became a millionaire.

Well, I went on to run the family business.

And my father could never read or write either, and I was desperately

embarrassed about not being able to read and write. But I had some good role

models who were doing well for themselves, even though they were

academically, my father being one. And by the time I was...

About 18, 19, he owned half a dozen different amusement arcades.

And one of them had a big empty space above it, which he didn't know what to

with. And so at 19, I had the bright idea of turning it into a disco.

And I've become, for a little while, the youngest licensee in the UK to hold a

liquor and entertainment license.

Opened up in 1981, which was the crest of the new Romantics wave.

Oh, yeah. I remember it well.

Oh, yeah.

Had a lot of fun, made a lot of money.

And then in the late 80s, early 90s, a lot of change came. Firstly, the

changed. It went from the disco scene in various guises into the rave scene.

We flew a flag for that. It was one of the first rave clubs on the South Coast.

Not really realizing the challenges that would bring us with the authorities.

The economy changed. We opened up a second place at a disastrous time just

before interest rates doubled and people spending power halved.

But the worst thing was me. I just made some really poor decisions and buried my

head in the sand and hoped it would all sort itself out and it didn't. And

around about age 29, I woke up one day and was forced to lift my head from the

sand and it was all gone.

Business was gone and savings were gone and possessions were gone and I ended up

a million pound in debt.

And I moved back into my old bedroom in my parents' house on charity and again

tried to hide from it all.

And then some friends come knocking on the door one day and basically said,

stock.

A million pounds of debt with nothing left to sell, no qualifications, no

work experience. You've always worked for your father. Nothing to put on a CV.

That's if you could put one together.

Because at age 29, you can't read and write properly.

We think you're ideally suited for a career in sales.

So I've become a salesperson for a little while and didn't really enjoy the

selling side, but it was a great blessing because I was introduced to

training, the philosophy.

of positive thinking.

That by altering the attitude or condition of your heart and mind, you

change the circumstances of your life.

And some very simple truths were shared with me. And I remember the trainer at

the front of the room saying, Brian, if you think that you can, you can.

And if you think that you can't, you can't. And I'd heard it before

I now know it's a paraphrase of something Henry Ford said over a hundred

ago. But it just washed past my mind in the past.

But this man put a little bit of science against it, and like Nick was saying,

sometimes it's good to have a little bit of science.

The right brain is connected to intuition, and my intuition was saying,

feels right.

My left brain, and the left brain is connected to ego and fear response, was

saying, yeah, but, yeah, but, yeah, but.

So a little bit of science helped me. You also did a timing thing as well,

hadn't you?

Yeah, the timing, I was looking for some answers.

I learned that when you think positively...

You trigger the release. You spark an electrical impulse in the heart of the

brain cell. It travels out on the brain cell arms, the dendrite arms, and it

triggers the release of a chemical called serotonin, the feel -good

that helps you make a connection between the brain cells. And by thinking

positively and forming these connections through the chemical release, you

activate the whole of your brain, the left side, which is primarily logical

analytical, and the right side, which is more spiritual, creative, intuitive.

By activating the whole of your brain, it helps you to find answers to

And I just become fascinated in that material, that work.

And I set goals and used positive thinking to overcome my dyslexia. It

about a year to teach myself to read well.

And I decided to honor the gift by only reading more information around the

brain, personal development, how we can develop our potential.

And that sort of led me then into psychology, philosophy, and

And everything that I learned that made sense, that felt right, I applied it. I

put it into practice. And little by little, life took off.

And a lot of people want to know how I was making the difference that I was

making to my life. And so I started sharing it with others, just because I

wanted to at first.

And then gradually, I started running seminars and workshops.

And that's been my life for about the last 14 years now.

For those who have stepped forth into the enigmatic and complicated world of

research, they know that it is rife with division.

But here, just like religion, we have another reason for the numerous splits,

the enigma really comes down to the individual human experience.

There are many who have claimed that they have been visited by aliens or

from other dimensions.

The vast majority, like people who see ghosts and apparitions, believe in the

data from experiences they encountered with their very own eyes.

The unconscious mind remains a mystery because we are simply not conscious of

it. We must imagine what it is like inside this huge domain on the other

our daily realities.

Occasionally, people recall their encounters in this strange world in

and more interestingly, lucid dreams, whereby we become conscious of elements

our unconscious world and even interact with them.

If we remain neutral, then we avoid excluding any possibilities that have

emerge in our conscious and unconscious minds.

We avoid putting ourselves into any framed paradigm as in the case of

and logic.

Perhaps we need to abandon any previous notions or ideas about this phenomenon

to gain headway into the unknown.

What are the UFOs?

Are they emanating from ourselves?

Are they here only because we have the capacity to perceive them?

Perhaps they are ancient archetypes that we have forgotten within the sands of

time.

Whatever they are, they are very real to the experiencer. They are real to

countless thousands who encounter them more and more each year as the sightings

continue to multiply.

What are they trying to tell us?

If we can understand the UFOs, perhaps we can better understand ourselves.

Fox Mulder is free of the demands placed upon him by government.

What are his opinions on ancient astronauts, black technology, and the

psychology of belief in UFOs? And last, but not least, aliens.

At the end of the 20th century, many predicted the advent of doom, or the

of Christ.

The 16th century French prophet Nostradamus had spoken of the solar

August 11, 1999.

Could this astronomical phenomena be a sign?

Could it be the end of an era?

It soon became clear that September 11, 2001 has changed our world much more

than August 11, 1999.

But in recent years, the new end date, our meeting with destiny itself, has

moved to December 21, 2012.

What events are predicted to occur during this time?

Climate change, unprecedented hurricanes, and the most violent

experienced dominate the news regularly.

With so many false alarms, is time finally running out?

Though climate change might be man -made, hurricanes and definitely

are clearly out of our hands.

So what is causing this?

Some look towards the sun.

Some scientists even hold the sun responsible for the climate change,

that the global warming is not just happening on this planet, but all

the solar system.

Unlike 1999, December 21, 2012 is indeed the end of something. The Long

Count Calendar, a calendar system used by the Mayan civilization of Central

America.

On that day, the 13th Bakhtun cycle will be completed.

Some Mayan and other Mesoamerican groups, such as the Aztecs, say we live

5th age.

The next age to be born in 2012 will be therefore that of the 6th sun.

Our age started on August 11, 3114 B .C.

But as it is known, that time did not mark the beginning of the world.

Why should we consider 2012 to be the end of the world?

Or is it the birth of a new world?

Over the past 5 ,000 years, civilizations were born and

destroyed.

On the other side of the world were a people who held a calendar that had

that were five millennia long and that new astronomical knowledge we have only

recently been able to confirm as scientifically real.

So on December 21st, 2012,

In the region where the sun is aligning with the heart of the Milky Way, known

as the galactic center, we will encounter a feature known as the dark

In the Mayan creation mythology, this is called the Zibalba Bay, the road to the

underworld.

I mean, we've got a situation today in this country where the mainstream media

is just not getting the truth across.

I'd say I'm awake, and I think you're awake too. Being awake is like knowing

that this is an illusion, you know?

George Bush himself came out and said that there was a spy network operating

inside the United States that was linked with the events of 9 -11.

People need to understand that there is a war, but it's not a war on terror,

it's a war of terror.

And it's against us.

It's against the people of the world, the ordinary people of the world.

This is what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler Youth.

What they're actually doing is reframing people to follow their set of values.

What is actually happening is we are losing our freedoms, we are losing our

right to free movement.

to remain anonymous in front of our governments, to all the things that are

considered basic freedoms historically.

And it all stems from 9 -11. There is a war and we are its victims. And people

need to understand that.

I look at the papers or I look at the news and I know that it's not quite what

it seems. There's more to it.

They are looking for a...

New society with a new form of government, the post -democratic era.

As an ex -military person, we are heading towards a vicious police state.

You speak out about what's actually happening, fraud, corruption, bullying,

get victimised. And we need to do something to stop the slide into a

state. I believe the whole of our society is under an attack.

be in a way just by knowing that this is an illusion, you know?

contact has been established.

UFOs or some of them began to attack our aircraft.

I believe it's a conflict situation which continues to this day to some

That's not to say they're all hostile by any means.

People have been abducted. That's the bottom line.

Probably tens of thousands of people.

We found alien life and here it is. The problem is, but we've been lying to you

about it for 60 years by previously denying it. So that's a constitutional

problem.

I would say I'd had about four encounters with aliens in my life, but

emergency situation was declared.

John Kennedy requested the...

observation of actual alien bodies, which he had learned had been recovered

the military.

And his wish was granted.

It was a top secret mission.

Kennedy saw the bodies. He was taken to Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, and

the bodies were located at a special medical facility at that site.

You need very, very high security currencies to get anywhere near these

programs, which include an alien liaison program.

Contact has been established.

We found alien life and here it is.

I'm going beyond the ancient Egyptian civilization.

And everything is changing now because the evidence is coming out strong, hard,

solid stone evidence.

And in a place where we didn't expect it at all, where I wasn't looking at all.

The centipede of this is a stone serpent.

We call it the stone henry of the devil.

You know, we're realizing that there was a prehistoric culture all over the

place.

Megalithic prehistoric culture.

They were integrated with the machinery of the cycles of nature.

They survived for 3 ,000 years until we brought our own man -made religion,

which didn't make sense at all, and look what happened to Egypt, you know?

We're bankrupt compared to these people who are spending thousands of years

studying and looking and trying to make sense of it from a spiritual point of

view.

This is what is wrong.

And we need to realize that we are creatures that are essentially

I don't care what scientists want to say.

If you're uncomfortable with that, well, that's too bad, because that's what we

are. And we need to wake up again.

Roslyn Chapel was built upon an area that was a noted place of healing from

word go.

I can tell you that when I first went there in the early 1990s that the

impression that I had when I walked through the door was of immense latent

power.

It's a nexus of earth energy and as I found out through hard experimentation,

there is an operable portal between this world and the next inside that chapel.

It wasn't just another building. It was a powerhouse of spirit. It was a

powerful place.

And I think the chapel was built in such proportions that it would take and

harmonize that energy. I think it would amplify. It was acting almost as an

amplifier, a stone -built amplifier.

The chapel is actually moving in time, not in this time, but 0 .1 % in another

time.

I was asked would I like to experience this energy.

I literally came off the floor.

It wasn't feet off the floor, maybe half an inch I actually lifted from the

floor, fell forward.

I was absolutely amazed, completely astounded, I hadn't a clue what had

happened.

You could see the faces on the other side, they wanted to be brought through

this side, this side of reality.

The purpose of the augmented force was to induce a feeling of an easiness or

instability in the listener and if you like introduce the devil into music.

That augmented force was inducing some of them to experience altered states of

consciousness.

Why would Sir William go to all the trouble of introducing this devil's

the wilderness road they come behind them the struggles of the Revolutionary

before them the conquest of a wilderness the journey is long and

arduous but it leads to a land of promise day after day the party follows

unfamiliar trail Bigfoot also known in North America as the

Sasquatch or the Oma

Was the Sasquatch here before the Indians?

Thousands of Indian locations are named after the boss of the mountain, or the

wild man, as the Bigfoot was originally called by the Amerindians.

Indian cultures generally regard the wild man with the greatest respect.

He is viewed as a special kind of being, perhaps because of his seemingly close

relationship to humans.

Many Indian elders regard him as standing on the border between animal

consciousness, giving him a supernatural kind of power.

But as special as he may be, there is no tribe that suggests that he is anything

other than a physical being, living in the same physical dimensions as humans

and other animals.

He eats, he sleeps, gathers and communicates with family members.

It seems that the wild man may indeed be of a varied and widespread clan,

encompassing every continent of the world.

They all have one very distinct trait in common, an exceptionally big human

-like foot.

Our search for this film brings us to the great state of Kentucky, the

state and the home of the Kentucky Derby.

Throughout the last 100 years, there have been many wild man sightings in

Kentucky.

The light from the road, the blue light.

It's getting brighter and brighter and brighter.

Dude, look through here.

Look through there right now. What is it?

You can't see it, but the camera picks it up.

Holy shit. Let me see. Look at that.

Look at that.

What is that?

I don't know.

Oh, here.

Back up. Look at that.

Whoa. I'm going to walk over there.

Can you zoom in on it?

Let's go up there. Come on.

There is a darkness upon the land.

It is a time of oppression.

The people are under a new rule.

The Normans have come.

They have brought with them a new way of life, a new language, and the old ways

are being lost in the mists of time.

But some tales have survived.

The people remember.

A great hero comes to them from the dark woods.

He is the hooded man.

His legend has lived on to this very day.

His memory still shines bright like the May Day sun.

If only we could remember.