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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,260 Hi, Terry. Thank you so much for inviting us here today. 2 00:03:17,180 --> 00:03:20,920 Now, we are going to go on an incredible journey with your life. 3 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:26,760 You have had some amazing experiences since you were a child, basically 4 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,460 connected around extraterrestrials. 5 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:36,100 Now, you call your friends the extraterrestrials, your Orion friends. 6 00:03:36,540 --> 00:03:42,060 But what we'd like to know is really when and how did it all begin for you? 7 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,320 I don't call them my Orion friends. 8 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,780 Oh, you don't? No, it's when I had the book published that the publishers 9 00:03:48,780 --> 00:03:50,980 them my Orion friends. Oh, apologies. OK. 10 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,320 That's all right. 11 00:03:52,660 --> 00:03:57,260 But it all started for me, I suppose, from the time when I could acknowledge 12 00:03:57,260 --> 00:04:03,980 things and realise that, yeah, I'm here. But at a very young age, when 13 00:04:03,980 --> 00:04:10,560 I knew that I could probably, if I sat and concentrated, I could probably... 14 00:04:11,350 --> 00:04:12,850 realised what people were thinking. 15 00:04:13,470 --> 00:04:17,970 And to me, I didn't think that was anything strange, because why should I? 16 00:04:17,970 --> 00:04:19,370 little kid, I wouldn't know that. 17 00:04:20,410 --> 00:04:24,870 And I did know there was things going on in people's lives with sicknesses at a 18 00:04:24,870 --> 00:04:29,690 very young age, and I felt the ability that I might be able to help them as 19 00:04:29,690 --> 00:04:30,690 well. 20 00:04:31,030 --> 00:04:36,150 But as the years went on, I think the most amazing thing was when I had some 21 00:04:36,150 --> 00:04:38,350 back surgery done, which... 22 00:04:38,830 --> 00:04:42,510 It couldn't be done where we are now. It had to have been done outside of this 23 00:04:42,510 --> 00:04:47,730 planet. So that was when it all came home to me that, big time, there's more 24 00:04:47,730 --> 00:04:50,850 this than just a psychic ability or a healing ability. 25 00:04:51,510 --> 00:04:56,470 There's also a real seriousness to it as to where all this stuff's coming from. 26 00:04:58,010 --> 00:04:59,510 I'm not a UFO researcher. 27 00:04:59,890 --> 00:05:03,570 I don't sit in my garden and look up at the stars all night or anything silly 28 00:05:03,570 --> 00:05:04,570 like that. 29 00:05:04,790 --> 00:05:07,790 I listen to a lot of people, what they have to say about the subject. 30 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,240 But I try to distance myself from what they're saying as to what really happens 31 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:12,979 to me. 32 00:05:12,980 --> 00:05:16,920 So when I researched it, because I'm not a UFO researcher, I researched myself. 33 00:05:17,020 --> 00:05:18,540 It was what I thought was happening. 34 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:26,080 And actually took the trouble to get copies of x -rays. So I got the proof. I 35 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,080 got medical reports. 36 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,040 So I got the proof as to what's been happening. 37 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:35,400 So I suppose from sort of 15 or 16 was a bit of a hard time for me when you're 38 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,020 suddenly becoming an adult. 39 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,560 And you've got to deal with things in real life. And when you get friends that 40 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,960 you don't want them to think, it's a bit weird, there's something going on here. 41 00:05:45,140 --> 00:05:50,340 But friends of mine have contacted me since, back from when I was 14 or 15. 42 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,580 There was one incident that some guy came to my home probably about 10 years 43 00:05:55,580 --> 00:06:02,520 ago, because I'm getting on for about 33 now, about 10 years 44 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,120 ago. He turned up and he said, we hadn't seen each other for about 20 years. 45 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:11,680 Okay. And he said, do you remember the time when we was in this particular 46 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:12,819 And I said, yes. 47 00:06:12,820 --> 00:06:15,680 He said, and you went to the corner of the park. He said, and there was like a 48 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,020 greenish mist hanging over the park. And I thought then it had something to do 49 00:06:20,020 --> 00:06:21,280 with the street that ran through the park. 50 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:27,820 And I went across there and then there was a little boy with similar colour 51 00:06:27,820 --> 00:06:33,600 to yours and these big blue eyes and invited me into somewhere, which at the 52 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,960 time it could have been the pavilion. I don't know. 53 00:06:36,780 --> 00:06:39,220 Oh, so you were invited into a building? 54 00:06:39,580 --> 00:06:43,080 Into something, yeah. Oh, into something. But when I went in there, I 55 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,440 recognise it. It was obviously strange, you know. Okay. 56 00:06:45,980 --> 00:06:47,400 It was a building, though. 57 00:06:47,620 --> 00:06:48,760 No, it wasn't a building, no. 58 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:53,080 To me, I was trying to, in my mind, accept it as a building. Okay. Because 59 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,380 never experienced anything like this before. 60 00:06:54,780 --> 00:06:58,020 And so I went inside and it was very clinical. 61 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:04,580 And then he just took a nick out of my shin. 62 00:07:05,250 --> 00:07:09,870 Was this someone the same age as you? Yeah, just the youngster. Might have 63 00:07:09,870 --> 00:07:10,749 been younger than me. 64 00:07:10,750 --> 00:07:12,390 With this beautiful blonde hair. 65 00:07:12,790 --> 00:07:14,710 Can I just ask how they were dressed? 66 00:07:15,850 --> 00:07:17,490 How they were dressed? Well, 67 00:07:19,150 --> 00:07:21,610 yeah, I can remember. Didn't have a shirt and tie on. 68 00:07:22,430 --> 00:07:24,190 Didn't have overalls on. 69 00:07:24,730 --> 00:07:27,870 Sort of a bluey, sort of bluey clothes they had on. 70 00:07:29,050 --> 00:07:30,050 I can't remember. 71 00:07:30,460 --> 00:07:33,280 whether it was trousers or what they had on, but like a bluey, I wouldn't take 72 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,300 that much notice, really. 73 00:07:34,540 --> 00:07:38,640 I was quite sugar to what he would want to sort of nick my shoe. So they took 74 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,240 you into a building, or one person took you into a building? 75 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,520 Yes. And then they took a... I was assuming it was a blood sample. 76 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,860 Okay. Did you not wonder why they were doing that? Of course I did. 77 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:51,300 Did you not object? 78 00:07:51,540 --> 00:07:53,460 No, because I just went on the floor. 79 00:07:54,190 --> 00:07:55,190 In a state of shock, I suppose. 80 00:07:55,490 --> 00:07:59,190 But I did have a feeling that there was no harm in what was happening. Okay. 81 00:07:59,430 --> 00:08:00,229 You know. 82 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:02,230 So you were quite at peace with the situation. 83 00:08:02,450 --> 00:08:05,690 Yeah, and of course then, later years, I can only assume that it was a craft 84 00:08:05,690 --> 00:08:06,870 that I went on. Okay. 85 00:08:07,210 --> 00:08:12,810 Some sort of a, if you like, alien craft. But my granddaughter said to me, 86 00:08:12,930 --> 00:08:17,470 you don't see UFOs, Grandad. How can you call them UFOs when you claim to be on 87 00:08:17,470 --> 00:08:19,010 board these things? So you know what they are. 88 00:08:19,550 --> 00:08:21,870 You know, they're ships from somewhere else. Exactly. 89 00:08:22,250 --> 00:08:26,190 So... That was probably a bit of a wake -up call when I was a kid. 90 00:08:26,730 --> 00:08:31,390 But this is my friend telling me that at the time he remembered it, he didn't go 91 00:08:31,390 --> 00:08:35,250 inside himself. There was two boys. There was Dave and a guy called Roy. 92 00:08:35,929 --> 00:08:39,429 And they said that they felt as though they were frozen at the time. They 93 00:08:39,429 --> 00:08:40,429 couldn't move. 94 00:08:40,789 --> 00:08:45,430 Did you feel like time had stopped or changed or anything like that? No, 95 00:08:45,430 --> 00:08:47,730 I was sort of in a shock. 96 00:08:48,530 --> 00:08:51,270 It's not until you get older and you realise... You look back. 97 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:54,280 Yeah, that you put an explanation to what happened. Okay. 98 00:08:54,540 --> 00:08:59,500 And so he said, but we always thought you were going to harm us. And I said, 99 00:08:59,620 --> 00:09:00,720 there's no reason to harm you. 100 00:09:01,140 --> 00:09:05,140 And he wanted me then to explain what happened, and I told him what my 101 00:09:05,140 --> 00:09:06,200 experience was with that. 102 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:10,480 But why they don't know, I don't know. I don't know. There's no sort of 103 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:11,480 explanation for that. 104 00:09:11,500 --> 00:09:16,400 But that was, let's say, one of the first things that I started thinking 105 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,100 well, what is going on? 106 00:09:18,380 --> 00:09:20,020 Does this happen to other people? 107 00:09:20,460 --> 00:09:25,040 Can't ask the question because people just think you're completely crazy. 108 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:29,800 So it wasn't an illusion. So now somebody's told me that they saw it as 109 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,140 Two people there that saw this thing happen. 110 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:37,420 I got home that evening and I said to my mother that I'd been in the river down 111 00:09:37,420 --> 00:09:39,520 there and I'd caught my chin on a piece of glass. 112 00:09:40,220 --> 00:09:43,600 So you didn't want to tell anyone what happened to you? So I actually made an 113 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,320 excuse. So why should I want to make an excuse? But I did. That's what happened. 114 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,480 But I know my mother knew different. 115 00:09:50,140 --> 00:09:55,860 She knows, and she's still alive, and she knows what went on. But she won't 116 00:09:55,860 --> 00:10:00,000 admit to any of it. Could you... I know it's really gone back in time for you, 117 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:04,980 but can you remember anything about this place that you were taken into where 118 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:09,480 they took a nick of your skin? What was it like? To me, it was like a clinic. 119 00:10:09,980 --> 00:10:10,759 Oh, okay. 120 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:11,760 Very clinical. 121 00:10:12,340 --> 00:10:15,520 That's the only thing. And were there other people there? 122 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:16,860 No, just that one person. 123 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:19,340 It was a person. It wasn't a slut with a little grave. 124 00:10:20,340 --> 00:10:21,299 No grave. 125 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:22,740 No, it was quite human -looking. 126 00:10:23,020 --> 00:10:25,640 Now, you don't believe in the grave of sluts, do you? 127 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,220 Well, I'd have to believe if I saw one, wouldn't I? 128 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,080 Okay. But I haven't experienced that. 129 00:10:31,620 --> 00:10:35,300 And I don't know, I think it's a bit of a myth, and I think that... 130 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:41,360 I can't say too much because I don't want to be thinking that more women seem 131 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,820 have experiences with them than not. 132 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,020 And I don't know why. 133 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:49,680 Well, I've come across this in other cases where I've spoke to people. 134 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:56,880 And what the general consensus is, is because women only produce 135 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:02,420 one egg per month, whereas the male obviously produces a lot of sperm. 136 00:11:04,010 --> 00:11:08,950 less need for them to take the men because people seem to think that they 137 00:11:08,950 --> 00:11:15,110 cross -breeding or making a new population of alien -human 138 00:11:15,110 --> 00:11:20,110 hybrids. We're not really sure what the bottom of it is, but that is why more 139 00:11:20,110 --> 00:11:25,790 women are taken than men because they can get quite a lot from men. That's 140 00:11:25,950 --> 00:11:32,390 you know, it's not very often that happens. But we're not sure why they 141 00:11:32,390 --> 00:11:33,390 particular men. 142 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:39,400 Is it just a lottery, or is there a specific reason that a certain male is 143 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:45,620 taken? Is it because maybe someone in their family, their genetic line has 144 00:11:45,620 --> 00:11:48,300 taken before them, so they want to carry on a certain line? 145 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:50,220 What do you think about that theory? 146 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:55,300 Well, I hear what you say, but I don't really have an interest. I think that 147 00:11:55,300 --> 00:12:00,720 women have their thing every month, and it affects their body big time. 148 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:07,380 And I've known of women that have told me stories about things, but I found out 149 00:12:07,380 --> 00:12:09,980 that they've had miscarriages or upsets in their life. 150 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,860 And it's a way for them to react, because I don't think there's any 151 00:12:14,860 --> 00:12:20,300 proof that little grey aliens have come along and kidnapped somebody and taken 152 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:22,900 them away and probed them or prodded them. I don't... 153 00:12:23,370 --> 00:12:26,750 I can't see why they should do. But they're not always grey, are they? 154 00:12:27,210 --> 00:12:28,210 I don't know. 155 00:12:28,410 --> 00:12:31,190 To me, it's always the grey aliens. 156 00:12:31,690 --> 00:12:34,070 I don't know any other aliens. 157 00:12:34,470 --> 00:12:37,050 I mean, the guys that I talk about, I don't even call them aliens. 158 00:12:37,690 --> 00:12:42,570 And to me, they're not aliens. I think that we've all come from other planets 159 00:12:42,570 --> 00:12:44,450 come onto this Earth. So we're not aliens. 160 00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:47,370 We've been brought here by other planets. 161 00:12:47,570 --> 00:12:49,230 And I think they could do that. 162 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:53,400 They could fetch you here. That technology is so advanced to what ours 163 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,380 do they want to mess around with sperm and eggs and things? 164 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:59,620 Well, this is the question. What is going on? So why do they want a new 165 00:12:59,620 --> 00:13:00,620 generation of what? 166 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:07,720 But if they are coming and taking a nick out of your skin as such, what is the 167 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:08,679 purpose for that? 168 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:15,340 Well, I can only put mine down to that my blood test comes back ever so 169 00:13:15,780 --> 00:13:17,880 Okay? And so does my mother's. 170 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,100 And I got the proof of that. I got the blood test done. 171 00:13:21,340 --> 00:13:23,620 There's something like, is it bubbles in your blood? 172 00:13:23,940 --> 00:13:25,240 Oh, that's another thing. 173 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,340 Like you've been out of space. 174 00:13:27,980 --> 00:13:28,980 Yes, 175 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,360 that's right. Like you've been living in Mexico City for years, or you've been 176 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:34,660 out in space as an astronaut. 177 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,900 So there's that, which I got the blood test done back. 178 00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:43,220 So I can only think that that was done for a purpose when I was young. Like the 179 00:13:43,220 --> 00:13:45,980 experiences I've had, which have been very frightening when I was young, 180 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:52,740 say to you look this you're going to experience these things in life so this 181 00:13:52,740 --> 00:13:55,860 what's going to happen so when i was a kid i used to have some frightening 182 00:13:55,860 --> 00:13:59,540 experiences and i've seen some frightening things you have haven't you 183 00:13:59,540 --> 00:14:04,100 reading your book yeah very unusual things some frightening people as well i 184 00:14:04,100 --> 00:14:08,740 think we all see them but i don't you see i don't talk about anything else 185 00:14:08,740 --> 00:14:13,360 than what happened for me but i don't know and if people are seeing gray 186 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,710 running around or weird things then obviously they've seen them It's not for 187 00:14:17,710 --> 00:14:18,549 to question. 188 00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:21,850 And if they've had implants done well, then they have. 189 00:14:22,150 --> 00:14:25,670 I mean, I don't know. I can't recall anything like that happening to me. 190 00:14:26,110 --> 00:14:29,450 You know, mine's been a different sort of a thing that's been happening over 191 00:14:29,450 --> 00:14:34,170 years. So why is it happening to you? Why is what is happening to you 192 00:14:34,170 --> 00:14:35,170 to you? I don't know. 193 00:14:36,010 --> 00:14:37,970 They haven't told you? No, why should they? 194 00:14:38,330 --> 00:14:42,790 Well, I don't know. They should give you a heads up, I think, at least. No, no. 195 00:14:43,270 --> 00:14:47,230 I think I would probably... realize that what's happening is quite a natural 196 00:14:47,230 --> 00:14:53,370 thing so it's part of my life but part of your life but you're not curious to 197 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:59,370 know why because you you wrote in your book about you have this connection with 198 00:14:59,370 --> 00:15:06,050 with egypt yeah i think it goes back possibly a past life to egypt that you 199 00:15:06,050 --> 00:15:10,120 believe that you were there And it was a connection with the pharaohs, wasn't 200 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,660 it? Well, that was interesting, because that's something that Robert Bovell... 201 00:15:14,660 --> 00:15:17,980 Because you've been reading... Yeah, I went with Robert and Graham Hancock, but 202 00:15:17,980 --> 00:15:24,980 I think that's how Robert worked it out, that maybe I was a pharaoh years and 203 00:15:24,980 --> 00:15:27,000 years ago. A very important one, of course. 204 00:15:27,540 --> 00:15:28,600 Do you know which one? 205 00:15:29,210 --> 00:15:31,110 No, but I always feel very impotent. 206 00:15:32,250 --> 00:15:33,250 Impotent or important? 207 00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:38,690 I was obviously an important pharaoh, of course. 208 00:15:39,450 --> 00:15:43,250 They had a capability, this is what Robert's telling me through his 209 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:49,070 that they could go as a human person into the spirit world if there was a 210 00:15:49,070 --> 00:15:53,470 certain place in Egypt by the pyramids, and they would go into the spirit world. 211 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,140 Do you mean as in actual projecting? 212 00:15:58,460 --> 00:15:59,460 I don't know what that means. 213 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,500 Well, I think the posh word today is remote viewing. 214 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:03,780 That's a lot of crap, isn't it? 215 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,180 Is it? 216 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:08,700 Yeah, it's a lot of rubbish. 217 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,420 Why do you think that? 218 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,660 You see, you're going to find that when you're in a dream state, all weird 219 00:16:15,660 --> 00:16:18,300 things can happen, can't they? You know, in a dream state. 220 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,300 So I don't know with these things. 221 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,320 I'd have to be on some very strong drugs, I think, to do this. 222 00:16:23,710 --> 00:16:28,930 astral projecting well i have to i have to personally say i have astral 223 00:16:28,930 --> 00:16:32,450 projected oh my wife says she's all remote viewed and i know a lot of people 224 00:16:32,450 --> 00:16:37,990 have and it is different to a dream well then okay so i can i can not remote 225 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:44,130 view but um i could i can see things going on Okay. And everybody has been in 226 00:16:44,130 --> 00:16:45,130 different ways, don't they? 227 00:16:45,330 --> 00:16:48,830 I don't put names on the things that happened to me. I just think it's an 228 00:16:48,830 --> 00:16:51,290 thing, an actual occurrence, if you like. 229 00:16:51,790 --> 00:16:55,570 So I don't have to put a box or a tab to it that, oh, I just remote viewed, 230 00:16:55,730 --> 00:17:00,710 because I didn't. I saw something. In the book, I predicted the thing that 231 00:17:00,710 --> 00:17:02,230 happened, the tsunami. 232 00:17:03,010 --> 00:17:06,970 Okay. Yeah. But the publishers wouldn't put the full story, because it would 233 00:17:06,970 --> 00:17:07,970 frighten people. 234 00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:10,109 Okay. Now, to me, that's not remote viewing. 235 00:17:10,990 --> 00:17:11,990 That's... 236 00:17:12,410 --> 00:17:18,589 my computer in my brain waking up like they did years ago and saying look this 237 00:17:18,589 --> 00:17:23,869 is what you're capable of seeing you can see these things that go on but to me 238 00:17:23,869 --> 00:17:27,829 that's not a remote viewing I think there's so many different things that we 239 00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:33,870 to figure out when we get messages or feelings not necessarily everything is a 240 00:17:33,870 --> 00:17:37,050 remote viewing or an astral projection because you usually have to be in a 241 00:17:37,050 --> 00:17:43,440 strange state of a deep consciousness or a meditation to go on an astral 242 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,620 projection but sometimes you just get a flash don't you or a feeling that 243 00:17:47,620 --> 00:17:51,800 something's going to happen and you get a lot of these don't you yes yeah i get 244 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:57,240 nine things um you know i mean the thing in egypt is that i'd get a regular 245 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:03,300 occurrence i mean probably every other week i've seen something and um it would 246 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:06,960 be um standing back from the pyramids and seeing like a big sun coming over 247 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,020 and to emerge me. And I think that's the feeling of going into the spirit world, 248 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:17,220 but not as an actual astral projection, but as actually physically going there 249 00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:21,700 as a human being into the spirit world. So I put the brakes on it, because I 250 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:22,559 don't want to go there. 251 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:28,300 So you actually had an experience, didn't you, in one of the Egyptian 252 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:28,919 didn't you? 253 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:35,180 So did you feel like you were, like in the movie Stargate, actually going to 254 00:18:36,190 --> 00:18:39,710 In the movie Stargate, they are used as, like, transportation machines. 255 00:18:40,030 --> 00:18:44,210 You know, I think that... Is that what you think they are? Well, all the... You 256 00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:46,190 see the comic and all these things. 257 00:18:46,670 --> 00:18:49,190 Why do they put these things? Because obviously they've happened. 258 00:18:49,570 --> 00:18:50,670 Well, exactly. 259 00:18:51,930 --> 00:18:54,270 There's always a different truth in it, maybe. Yeah, yeah. 260 00:18:54,770 --> 00:19:00,090 I think that... I was trying to explain to Robert and Graham that the 261 00:19:00,090 --> 00:19:02,070 sarcophagus is actually... 262 00:19:02,909 --> 00:19:04,870 It's a machine that travels through space. 263 00:19:06,050 --> 00:19:11,030 And you don't need a door in the Pyramid to get this thing in and out, because 264 00:19:11,030 --> 00:19:13,530 when it's up and running, it's transparent anyway. 265 00:19:14,050 --> 00:19:16,370 So the whole thing moves? 266 00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:19,430 No, it just goes like a big jelly. 267 00:19:19,910 --> 00:19:25,470 So things can travel in and out. This thing travels like a superconductor, so 268 00:19:25,470 --> 00:19:26,470 can whiz around the space. 269 00:19:26,590 --> 00:19:30,270 But I think they brought spirits and souls back in this thing, because it's 270 00:19:30,270 --> 00:19:31,199 of granite. 271 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,200 And it was a sealed thing. 272 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,080 Were you not curious to just let go and go? 273 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:37,900 No. 274 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,000 No. Why? 275 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,120 Because something tells me it wouldn't be the thing to do. 276 00:19:41,540 --> 00:19:44,280 Because I think I'd just go and be stone dead on the spot. 277 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,040 And I didn't want that to happen. 278 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,560 Because I think you've got to be dead. 279 00:19:49,140 --> 00:19:51,920 And I think these fairies used to die when they had that experience. They'd go 280 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,100 into the spirit world. That's where you would be. 281 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,960 Which is a far better place, apparently, to be than what it is here. 282 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:58,960 So I've heard. 283 00:20:00,149 --> 00:20:01,230 Sign me up. 284 00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:03,750 That's what the pharaohs were like. 285 00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:06,370 They wanted their body to last longer on this earth. 286 00:20:06,670 --> 00:20:09,530 Because when it rotted away, then they'd probably come back. 287 00:20:09,950 --> 00:20:14,730 Do you know anything of monatomic gold that the pharaohs were supposed to eat, 288 00:20:14,730 --> 00:20:18,030 believe? Well, what they do is powdered gold. 289 00:20:18,270 --> 00:20:24,470 Yeah. And what they would do, yeah, in carrots, there's like the carotene in 290 00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:27,550 carrots. In certain foods, there is this... 291 00:20:28,409 --> 00:20:31,970 And what it would do, it would give you telepathy. 292 00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:35,270 And so you'd be very telepathic. 293 00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:38,690 And that's what the other pharaohs, I don't think, I think before the 294 00:20:38,690 --> 00:20:41,310 I don't think that we used to talk as we're talking. 295 00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:45,270 Because I think, I watched a programme about wolves, and I reckon that wolves 296 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:46,370 talk without a speak. 297 00:20:47,710 --> 00:20:48,710 Sorry, can you repeat that? 298 00:20:48,810 --> 00:20:50,430 Yeah, told us how to speak. 299 00:20:50,930 --> 00:20:54,950 Because of that grunting, because I think we used to grunt a lot. I grunt a 300 00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:55,950 now and sniff a lot. 301 00:20:56,330 --> 00:21:01,390 But that's got something to do with it, because we lost the telepathy. 302 00:21:01,950 --> 00:21:03,670 We didn't have to talk to people. 303 00:21:04,030 --> 00:21:06,070 You know, we could just sort of do this through our minds. 304 00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:47,310 your pharaohs which you believe you're in contact with the the actual threshold 305 00:21:47,310 --> 00:21:54,230 from orion are they did they genetically engineer mankind 306 00:21:54,230 --> 00:22:01,110 are they connected with the uh the anarchy well i don't know i mean um 307 00:22:01,110 --> 00:22:07,270 it's interesting because when i see the program on the crystal skull okay and 308 00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:11,140 that's supposed to be some sort of computer device of of what our brain is 309 00:22:11,140 --> 00:22:12,140 supposed to be or something. 310 00:22:12,340 --> 00:22:15,040 Is this the one... Dove child? 311 00:22:15,460 --> 00:22:16,680 No, no, no. 312 00:22:16,980 --> 00:22:20,560 There's several crystal skulls, but I think there's possibly supposed to be 313 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,940 genuine one. Oh, yes, I know. See, I'm not talking to me, I'm talking to what 314 00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:24,940 you might see on the TV. 315 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,760 Now, and the Anunnaki, I mean, I don't know. I've heard stories about that sort 316 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:31,619 of thing, you know. 317 00:22:31,620 --> 00:22:38,140 But I don't think that we were particularly... Maybe we were modified 318 00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:39,140 atmosphere on this planet. 319 00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:42,470 to be able to breathe on this planet, and things like that. 320 00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:48,170 Maybe there were things done like that, but I think we were human beings before 321 00:22:48,170 --> 00:22:51,350 we come here, but maybe adjusted to suit the planet. 322 00:22:51,730 --> 00:22:56,050 You know, like we get different nationalities, so like the Mayan Indians 323 00:22:56,050 --> 00:23:02,450 come from their planet, the Tibetan monks, and also they've got some 324 00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:06,890 of the bodies of the star people, like the Tibetan monks in one of their 325 00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:08,810 and the Egyptians have got. 326 00:23:09,260 --> 00:23:10,940 They're bodies of the star people. 327 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,260 So they've all got the people there, but you're not going to get to see them, 328 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,600 obviously. But these are the first people to come to the Earth from the 329 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,520 beginning. But, yeah, I think we were probably just adjusted or finely tuned 330 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,680 settle down on this planet, just to hate each other and kill each other and 331 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,820 shoot each other and cause a lot of problems. 332 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,280 But I don't think we've realised yet that we don't need that. 333 00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:35,060 That's not part of it. 334 00:23:35,340 --> 00:23:37,220 So we've got a bit of a journey to go. 335 00:23:37,660 --> 00:23:38,820 What do you know of... 336 00:23:39,629 --> 00:23:45,950 extraterrestrials from wherever actually having bases on here on earth or in the 337 00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:50,990 sea lots of other things to think they they have bases underwater and also 338 00:23:50,990 --> 00:23:56,610 on the moon if you could tell us about what you know about anything who 339 00:23:56,610 --> 00:24:00,350 are here i'll only know what you know because i only know what i've seen on 340 00:24:00,350 --> 00:24:04,530 tv and whether i want to bleed that or not well i just wondered because you 341 00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:10,500 a lot of very interesting contacts who maybe can share things with you in 342 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:12,380 confidence or not in confidence. 343 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:19,780 Do you think that we're actually moving towards some kind of contact, 344 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,300 big contact as such? 345 00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:23,440 I think that's happened. 346 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,860 I think that's happened. 347 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:31,960 We have got contact, but I'm saying the general public too. Yeah, well, you've 348 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,140 only got to look at old churches. 349 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,720 And if you look at the lead light in old churches, and a lot of the churches 350 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,420 have had their UFOs taken away because of different people, like I think one of 351 00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:45,120 the kings of France got a bit of lead and stuff. 352 00:24:46,140 --> 00:24:47,220 So I think that's happened. 353 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,720 And what you're saying is, is that going to happen again? 354 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:51,100 Possibly it will. 355 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:54,340 Because it's happened. Because you're going to look at the religious side of 356 00:24:54,340 --> 00:24:56,220 things, and the Bible's full of UFOs. 357 00:24:56,540 --> 00:24:58,780 And you look at old churches, you look at... 358 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,520 Monuments around the world and in caves, the drawing of UFOs. Well, this is it, 359 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,580 isn't it? It goes back thousands of years, the cave drawings. Yeah, and 360 00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:08,560 people have seen them. Yeah. It happened. 361 00:25:09,220 --> 00:25:11,380 So whether it's going to come around again, why not? 362 00:25:11,780 --> 00:25:13,460 But I couldn't put a date on when. 363 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,520 But I'm sure that people are getting, like, a load of UFOs in Mexico. 364 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:23,100 There must be some contact there. In Sweden, there must be contact there with 365 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:26,880 people. So I think it is happening, but we don't get to hear about it. 366 00:25:27,450 --> 00:25:34,230 You talk about your alien friends, blonde hair, blue eyes, but what about 367 00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:35,610 aliens from other planets? 368 00:25:35,850 --> 00:25:39,630 Do you know of aliens coming from other stars? 369 00:25:39,850 --> 00:25:42,570 No, because over the years I've worked it out. And are they all friendly? 370 00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:48,930 Well, I've only worked it out that, in my mind, through my experience, is that 371 00:25:48,930 --> 00:25:54,530 we've got two spirits and a soul, like some of the native Indians say. So one 372 00:25:54,530 --> 00:25:56,870 our spirits is not particularly here, it's somewhere else. 373 00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:02,260 so that spirit is that the spirit that you see when you're in need to call for 374 00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:09,160 help is that another replica of us somewhere else um so i just think that 375 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,420 the beginning when we came and as things came around that we came from different 376 00:26:13,420 --> 00:26:19,300 styles and we were put here as humans and i think that um we did leave behind 377 00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:26,180 that other spirit um i think um the one lot of indians that like the uh a little 378 00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:30,780 doll a little replica of themselves when they was on another planet i think it's 379 00:26:30,780 --> 00:26:34,080 called the katina doll something like that which was then on another planet 380 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,820 which the dress was completely different that's the way they dressed before 381 00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:42,500 actually that we have a replica and i have heard the connection with orion 382 00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:47,380 so not not just from your phone but from others that we have a body duplicate 383 00:26:47,380 --> 00:26:52,260 it's not like the body snatchers But there is a body duplicate and we are 384 00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:57,800 heading towards some change where that body is going to be becoming the main 385 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,180 body. Do you know anything about that? Well, that could happen. 386 00:27:00,540 --> 00:27:06,660 I mean, the Americans have for years with their rockets and things, they want 387 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:08,260 get out into space. They're trying to get to Orion. 388 00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:11,840 Because they think, I think, they seem to think that that's heaven. 389 00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:13,620 That's where it's actually heaven. 390 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,440 And I heard a story a while back that the Hubble telescope had picked up this 391 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,920 big white city out in space. 392 00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:23,240 One of the newspapers had published it, and they were told to keep quiet about 393 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,240 it. 394 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,000 Can you just say that again? 395 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,080 Yeah, the Hubble telescope picked up a big white city. 396 00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:31,190 Why did he? In faith. 397 00:27:31,410 --> 00:27:32,410 Yeah. Okay. 398 00:27:32,530 --> 00:27:36,510 And the newspapers published it, and it was told not to publish it. 399 00:27:36,770 --> 00:27:39,070 And the Pope finished up with all the information. 400 00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:42,390 Because if you want to know the truth, you just go to the Vatican. 401 00:27:42,610 --> 00:27:47,690 Well, yeah, but they don't give anything. They won't even give us the 402 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:51,490 Bible. They're not going to tell you. It's all closed and locked doors. 403 00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:54,830 They're not going to tell you. So they do know what's going on, you know. 404 00:27:55,170 --> 00:27:57,390 And very controlling people. 405 00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:59,470 Not very nice, is it? 406 00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:03,830 Well, no, because knowledge is power, isn't it? Of course. 407 00:28:04,170 --> 00:28:06,450 And ultimate knowledge is ultimate power. 408 00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:09,790 And it has to come out in the end, which it has to come out eventually. 409 00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:14,070 Well, this is what people seem to think that we are heading towards. 410 00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:16,290 And they seem to think... 411 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,620 Something is going to happen very soon. 412 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:19,879 Well, that's a good thought. 413 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,540 But I've heard this for a few years now, like, you know, the Indies and I. But 414 00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:26,880 I've heard that, you know, they're going to turn up on that doorstep. People 415 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,020 with their placards going down Oxford Street. Yeah, it never happened, did it? 416 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,400 Well, I don't know. 417 00:28:31,540 --> 00:28:35,420 No, because there wasn't a specific date. I think we're coming up to the 418 00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:36,779 Oh, dear. 419 00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:40,700 The Mayan calendar, I think. But you can't predict the end of the world. 420 00:28:42,629 --> 00:28:46,130 Well, people aren't saying it is the end of the world, but what they're saying 421 00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:51,450 is there's supposed to be a huge shift, isn't there? A shift in consciousness or 422 00:28:51,450 --> 00:28:52,450 the way we live. 423 00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:56,210 Do you think it might be something to do with maybe what's happening now with 424 00:28:56,210 --> 00:29:00,870 the American, now they've got their president and things, and things are 425 00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:02,630 round, and I don't know. 426 00:29:03,490 --> 00:29:07,390 I don't put a lot of faith in that. He won't be running America. 427 00:29:07,670 --> 00:29:09,070 The Bush family will. 428 00:29:09,610 --> 00:29:11,970 And Clinton will be running America. Well, they always have, haven't they? 429 00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:12,689 will run it. 430 00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:17,630 And unless he slips up and says something openly, you know, which I hope 431 00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:19,830 do, you know, they're all controlled people. 432 00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:23,730 But it's always the same faces in power, isn't it? Of course. Always the same 433 00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:24,730 faces. 434 00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:29,930 This is where I was going with the ET contact before, because we hear of 435 00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:34,870 Roswell. I mean, Roswell is just, everybody knows about Roswell. But what 436 00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:39,270 the things behind closed doors where there's supposed to have been multiple 437 00:29:39,270 --> 00:29:45,670 crashes of UFOs? But we are supposed to be, one hears, working with 438 00:29:45,670 --> 00:29:49,030 ETs. You know, we have got ET contact. 439 00:29:51,740 --> 00:29:53,540 They are from Orion or from elsewhere. 440 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,900 Have you spoken to Marcus Allen at all? 441 00:29:57,220 --> 00:29:58,580 Michael? Marcus Allen. 442 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,760 Oh, Marcus Allen, no. Yeah, he does talk on maybe some of the technology we've 443 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,380 got that's come from these fresh crafts, like Velcro and things like that. He 444 00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:07,380 does the Nexus magazine. 445 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 446 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,620 And interesting guy. I've given some lectures and he's been there and very 447 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:18,060 interesting to listen to. And then the stuff that you're talking about, maybe 448 00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:21,360 later he would probably know more than I do about that because he's researched 449 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,040 it. But most of what happens to me is what happens to me. 450 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,960 Yes. So I can't really give you proper answers on other things, only my 451 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,160 Have you come across other people who've had similar experiences to you? Never. 452 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,680 Never? No. 453 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:41,280 No, there's nobody that I can say, like I was saying to you earlier, that can 454 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,780 say that their father used to go to a certain place every morning to meet 455 00:30:45,780 --> 00:30:49,100 extraterrestrials, which I found out recently. 456 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,960 Do you think your father was an extraterrestrial? 457 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:59,260 I don't know. There was one lady that I did a TV, and she told me 458 00:30:59,260 --> 00:31:01,680 I was part of an experiment that happened back in the 40s. 459 00:31:02,850 --> 00:31:05,670 Now I've found out the background of this lady. I think she's dreaming. 460 00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:08,330 Unless you've got the real proof. 461 00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:10,850 I've got all the proof of what happened to me happened. 462 00:31:11,550 --> 00:31:14,490 So when I talk about other things, I've got no proof of. It could just be 463 00:31:14,490 --> 00:31:15,710 hearsay, if you like. 464 00:31:16,030 --> 00:31:19,210 And I can't write too much into what other people say about me. Because a lot 465 00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:20,210 people say, well, I'm like you. 466 00:31:20,550 --> 00:31:22,190 No, you're not. You wouldn't want to be like me. 467 00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:24,350 Why are you like me? You're like me that I'm a human being. 468 00:31:24,730 --> 00:31:25,850 But you wouldn't want to be me. 469 00:31:26,390 --> 00:31:29,250 My wife would tell you that. You wouldn't want to be me. 470 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,400 I'm telling you, you just wouldn't. Because all the weird things that happen 471 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,400 me, it's hard to control. 472 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,680 But I've met some people, some famous people, which maybe I can't name names 473 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,680 because of the TV. 474 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,300 No, that's fine. But one particular celebrity who's a comedian, and the 475 00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:50,520 he told me, and he had an experience when he was about seven, and he predicts 476 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,680 things, he heals people, he sees things, but he can't contain it. And he's 477 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,140 permanently on drugs because of it. 478 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:22,220 I did a radio show with Reg Presley, I think it was Capital Radio, and they 479 00:32:22,220 --> 00:32:25,800 said, how do you get these messages? And Reg said, well, they usually contact me 480 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,160 through my mobile phone and I hand it over to Terry so he can talk to them. 481 00:32:29,380 --> 00:32:32,880 And we said, well, it's not nothing like that. 482 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,140 It's just knowing something and acting on what you know. 483 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,520 So I'm not going to get a voice in my head saying, it's 10 o 'clock, it's 484 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,200 time we got out of bed, because I know it isn't. 485 00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:43,820 I want to get up at 11 o 'clock. 486 00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:46,880 But I don't get nothing like that. 487 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,340 I might get some visions, which can happen any time. Yeah. 488 00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:54,960 Some disaster or something happens. Because you have had quite a few, 489 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,560 you? Yeah. Yeah, there's that sort of thing. 490 00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:59,180 But to explain how it really happens, I don't know. 491 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,720 It's just part of me, you know. And to me, it's not weird or anything like 492 00:33:04,980 --> 00:33:08,720 You know, I don't, you know, if I cut myself, it bleeds. Or if I get a cold, I 493 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,720 get a cold. 494 00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:14,610 But the thing on the healing side of it, I don't claim to heal anybody. 495 00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:17,290 I don't claim that. They claim it, not me. 496 00:33:17,850 --> 00:33:22,610 So I don't put, say... But you help people with their healing process. 497 00:33:23,030 --> 00:33:26,390 I think about people, you know. You know, I think about them when they was 498 00:33:26,390 --> 00:33:28,090 and sort of do it that way. 499 00:33:28,290 --> 00:33:29,910 But not everybody, you know. 500 00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:35,370 So do you think that your... Well, you don't call them your around friends. 501 00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:36,370 do you call them then? 502 00:33:36,530 --> 00:33:37,530 I don't call them anything. 503 00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:38,870 They're just part of me. 504 00:33:39,390 --> 00:33:42,070 An extended part of me, I suppose, like my spiritual self. Do you call them your 505 00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:45,590 extraterrestrial? No. You don't call them anything? No, no. 506 00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:48,130 No, nothing at all. 507 00:33:48,550 --> 00:33:52,290 I've got a name on it. But if you have to refer to them, how do you refer to 508 00:33:52,290 --> 00:33:55,810 them? Well, now I'd say it's a spiritual me. 509 00:33:56,590 --> 00:34:00,490 Okay. Another me, like we've said earlier on, like it's a replica of 510 00:34:00,490 --> 00:34:05,830 somewhere else, you know, that can make these things happen. 511 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:14,179 So if you've got contact with Orion, what do you think it's like on 512 00:34:14,179 --> 00:34:15,179 their planet? 513 00:34:15,460 --> 00:34:16,520 I've thought about that. 514 00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:19,560 Yeah, loads of times. Do you know how they dream? What do you think their 515 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,440 buildings are like or how they live? 516 00:34:21,739 --> 00:34:26,480 Do you know how they dream or things? And I think this must be the street that 517 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,540 they live in. You know, it might be somewhere like a nice town or something. 518 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,840 But then I get all... 519 00:34:32,090 --> 00:34:35,230 a bit fed up a few days later because i've been in the car we go somewhere 520 00:34:35,230 --> 00:34:38,750 that's the town that i dreamt about and i think oh god it's not where they live 521 00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:45,449 it's here you know now so i don't know i can only imagine things you know but it 522 00:34:45,449 --> 00:34:49,130 wouldn't be right would it that i'm imagining that and it's not real you 523 00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:53,230 maybe they go around like um like a ghost or something and they go 524 00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:55,540 All the time. 525 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:01,560 Well, you believe, because your back's been healed, that their technology is so 526 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,500 much more advanced. So they wouldn't be driving around in cars and flying around 527 00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:10,140 in planes and using petrol like we do. Maybe it's a very tranquil place that 528 00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:12,600 they just sit there playing cards all day or something. 529 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:19,520 Do you think they're sort of... Well, you said when you seen the boy who took 530 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,700 you into the building that he looked like you. 531 00:35:23,260 --> 00:35:28,100 but would that have just been an image that he would have projected for you? Do 532 00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:32,640 you think they'd be more of like an etheric being, like a lighter type of 533 00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:38,380 Not quite a ghost -like, but not as dense as what a human being is. Well, 534 00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:43,120 one that I did see that came into the bedroom that time was quite a normal 535 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,120 -looking person. 536 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:49,940 But whether there's a trick there, and that was a hologram or something, or 537 00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:52,500 something like that, I don't know, but to me that was real. 538 00:35:53,130 --> 00:35:56,090 But if it was a spiritual thing, maybe there's no body attached. 539 00:35:56,950 --> 00:36:01,250 I mean, I don't know. I don't want to go down that path and start imagining all 540 00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:05,310 sorts of things and driving myself around the bend, you know. I don't think 541 00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:06,129 would be fair to me. 542 00:36:06,130 --> 00:36:08,610 So I try to accept what happens to me happens. 543 00:36:09,590 --> 00:36:15,550 And then not, I think if I knew too much, then it would all go wrong, you 544 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,620 I just try to look at things as I can. Are you happy to have these experiences 545 00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:32,160 all the time? Whether I'm happy or not, I've got them. 546 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,280 Sometimes I'm not. 547 00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:39,640 Could you give us an example when you've not been happy? 548 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,160 If it's not too personal. 549 00:36:41,740 --> 00:36:43,340 Yeah, because it can be embarrassing. 550 00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:50,400 Where I was living before, there was me, Diane, and a friend. 551 00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:54,320 A lady friend of Diane's. And we was watching the television. 552 00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:59,730 I said, oh, look at them poor children. That coach has left the road and gone 553 00:36:59,730 --> 00:37:01,450 into a tree. It's on the news on the telly. 554 00:37:02,110 --> 00:37:04,930 But the news wasn't on the TV, but that's what I could see. 555 00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:07,950 I said, them poor children, some of them have died, you know, it's terrible. 556 00:37:08,410 --> 00:37:11,650 And this lady said, but you're not watching the news, you're watching 557 00:37:11,650 --> 00:37:12,770 programme, so what are you talking about? 558 00:37:13,230 --> 00:37:17,870 I said, I've just seen this coach leave the road and go into a tree. 559 00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:21,970 And she rang me about an hour later and she got the news on. She said, that just 560 00:37:21,970 --> 00:37:23,670 happened. How did you know it happened before it happened? 561 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:31,440 So that then, that does annoy me, to think that why should it be so precise 562 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,620 that moment that I have to blurt it out. 563 00:37:34,420 --> 00:37:37,940 My grandson's very psychic, and I said to him, just don't say anything to 564 00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:38,940 anybody. 565 00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:42,960 Don't tell them anything, don't say anything, just let it go, you know. And 566 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,780 try to do that a lot, but I do, sometimes I think it's important that I 567 00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:53,200 illness in somebody, I would advise them to see a doctor, or, you know, or to 568 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,580 see a specialist about it. 569 00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:59,400 And I've done it on quite a few occasions, and the results come back 570 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,180 thank me that there was something wrong. Well, that's it, you've found 571 00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:05,940 something. But you've got to remember that this might be something, because 572 00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:11,800 have a very sensitive thing to their owners and to other people. I was just 573 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,340 sitting in the barber's the other day, and a dog came up and started licking my 574 00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:15,340 hand because I cut him. 575 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,900 And they're supposed to have an antiseptic in their tongue. 576 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,660 Yeah, I've heard that actually. And one dog's owner kept licking him on his leg, 577 00:38:22,740 --> 00:38:23,860 and he had cancer there. 578 00:38:24,350 --> 00:38:29,130 And they found it. I've heard that dogs can pick up cancerous cells. So maybe 579 00:38:29,130 --> 00:38:33,110 I've got that ability to pick up on people, put it in a different light. 580 00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:34,009 a dog, really. 581 00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:35,010 Yeah, I know. 582 00:38:42,970 --> 00:38:47,970 Now, you've had quite an experience with something called the time machine. 583 00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:51,490 In Bath, if... You could just share that story. 584 00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:52,990 Well, 585 00:38:53,290 --> 00:38:58,690 it was a few years ago when I started trying to find out what this thing was 586 00:38:58,690 --> 00:39:02,950 about and people's experiences. And maybe I meet somebody with a similar 587 00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:03,950 experience, you know. 588 00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:08,130 And then I was giving lectures for UFO groups. 589 00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:12,530 And I came across this. Well, they rung me up this group over at Cambly and 590 00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:14,890 said, would I give a talk for them? I said, yeah, sure, do that. 591 00:39:15,130 --> 00:39:16,130 So I did. 592 00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:19,900 And then a few weeks later they rang me, and we all got friends, and they said, 593 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,140 we'd like to take you down to Bath to show you the time machine. 594 00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:25,700 And I thought, right. 595 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,980 And I said, Diane, I think we might have hit the jackpot here. These people have 596 00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:29,980 really lost it. 597 00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:34,040 And so I thought, well, we'll have a go. 598 00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:41,080 So we drove down there the first time, and the chap's car actually broke down 599 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,038 the way down there. 600 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,100 And they all thought it was a bad omen or something, you know, these people. 601 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,200 and I just thought, no, your gearbox is gone. 602 00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:49,460 So we didn't make the first trip. 603 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,080 Then the second trip came around, and so we went down there, not knowing what to 604 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,600 expect. Now, if you can imagine a private terrace house, this is the end 605 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,480 house in Bath. 606 00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:03,240 Very, very tiny house. 607 00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:07,440 It was on the left -hand side, and so we went up to the door. 608 00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:12,440 They knocked on the door, and this guy came to the door, and they went in there 609 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,440 pretty fast. 610 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,760 But I didn't, because I didn't know I had to. 611 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,720 And the guy literally pulled me in the door. 612 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,240 Why? 613 00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:26,300 Because when you went in there, the thing opened up to a big massive hall, a 614 00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,040 room, which wasn't possible for a small town like that. 615 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,260 Are we talking tardive like here? Yeah, like a tardive. Oh, OK. 616 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,300 And the reason he pulled me through, he said, if you don't do that, you'll be 617 00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:37,300 sick. 618 00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:40,740 It'll just make you sick. So he just whipped me in there. 619 00:40:41,380 --> 00:40:45,940 So... Then I looked all around, very, very curious at the place. 620 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,000 He had lots of antiques in there. 621 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:55,020 Then he had what he called the healing machine, which was like a table you'd do 622 00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:56,020 operations on. 623 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,640 You've got the pictures of that, haven't you? Yeah, you'd look at people on if 624 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:01,538 they weren't very well. 625 00:41:01,540 --> 00:41:06,760 And over the top of it was like a big massive bright light. 626 00:41:07,610 --> 00:41:12,450 where he told me there was £250 ,000 worth of precious gemstones in there 627 00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:13,650 big helium lights at the back. 628 00:41:14,070 --> 00:41:17,670 People have since said that it was impossible because those helium lights 629 00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:19,790 probably radiate you. It wasn't healthy. 630 00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:21,270 Worse than going on the sunbed. 631 00:41:23,330 --> 00:41:27,470 So then he was explaining how it worked and I said, where did you get the idea 632 00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:29,970 from? He said, well, I wanted to meet you, he said, because... 633 00:41:30,810 --> 00:41:33,510 I'd read your book and you talk about Orion, etc. 634 00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:37,270 He said, I had an experience, he said, that I met these people from Orion. 635 00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:40,650 I'd been in their ship and they gave me the blueprints of this machine. 636 00:41:41,350 --> 00:41:45,230 And I had to go to Hewlett -Packard to tell them to build this machine. 637 00:41:45,830 --> 00:41:49,650 Well, this was like back in the 60s, the early 60s, that this happened to him. 638 00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:56,150 And I had heard that Hewlett -Packard, when they started, their idea was to 639 00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:57,150 build a time machine. 640 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,960 Then it sort of ended with computers. 641 00:41:59,420 --> 00:42:04,840 So maybe this is part. But they built a computer for him, which he had there. 642 00:42:05,060 --> 00:42:07,700 And he put an audio tape in his computer. 643 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,500 And the most weird things happened. 644 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,960 So he said, but with this machine, this healing machine, he was charging like 645 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,700 £20 an hour. But he was taking more electric than that, I think. 646 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,340 I actually shoved my agent on there because he had migraine. 647 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,140 And we put him on there. And it did help him. It helped him. But he said he'd 648 00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:29,280 had loads and loads of famous people there. 649 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,520 Maggie Thatcher. 650 00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:34,160 But he had a book that they'd all signed. Okay. 651 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,820 Okay. Did you have a peek? 652 00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:39,460 Yeah. Oh, yeah. He had a look, yeah. And they were. They'd all signed the book. 653 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:47,320 And he said that he had this... The other end of the room was this big dome 654 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,080 in the ceiling, which he said was a time travel machine. 655 00:42:52,810 --> 00:42:55,330 And I thought, well, we'll have a go at that one. There was something unusual 656 00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:56,850 about the dome, wasn't there? Yeah. 657 00:42:57,150 --> 00:43:00,730 I, being a bit curious, asked him if I could use his toilet. 658 00:43:01,410 --> 00:43:05,790 But what I did, I went upstairs over this room to see where the dome came up 659 00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:06,428 the room. 660 00:43:06,430 --> 00:43:09,970 Now, the dome should have gone through the room, I would have thought, at 661 00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:12,130 I don't know, maybe getting on for three feet. 662 00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:16,330 OK. Now, I know the distance between the ceilings is not that, because I worked 663 00:43:16,330 --> 00:43:17,330 on the building. 664 00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:18,730 So how did he hide that? 665 00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:20,970 But the ceiling level downstairs... 666 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,480 It was constant right the way through. 667 00:43:22,780 --> 00:43:24,780 So the ceiling level was as it is. 668 00:43:25,180 --> 00:43:28,120 Now, he got his hand and he went like that and he put it through the dome. 669 00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:31,180 Now, I'm thinking, that's a trick. 670 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,820 He put it actually through the dome of the ceiling? 671 00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:35,100 Yeah. 672 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:41,700 Then he said, well, I can, on this occasion, I won't use the time machine. 673 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,320 But if you come back and we get ready for it, we can use it. 674 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,900 So I said, well, fair enough. 675 00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:51,550 I was looking all around the place, and it was the most unusual place I've ever 676 00:43:51,550 --> 00:43:55,050 seen. This guy was about 78 years old. 677 00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:58,850 I think his name was Gordon Pringle, something like that, Pringle, something 678 00:43:58,850 --> 00:43:59,629 like that. 679 00:43:59,630 --> 00:44:03,250 He's passed away now. But this machine was keeping him alive because he had 680 00:44:03,250 --> 00:44:04,250 kidney problems. 681 00:44:05,570 --> 00:44:09,750 My friend was on their land, and it was cooking him. He went quite black. 682 00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:13,610 But he said, within 20 minutes of getting off, you'll come to your normal 683 00:44:13,610 --> 00:44:14,610 colour. Okay. 684 00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:16,230 Which he did. 685 00:44:17,879 --> 00:44:19,060 Don't do a nice turn. 686 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,320 Yeah. 687 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:27,820 And the second time I visited, I went down and I explained it to Lionel 688 00:44:27,820 --> 00:44:29,800 Fanthorpe about this thing, and he wanted to see it. 689 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,680 So I said, I'll get you an invite. 690 00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:35,360 So we all met there, and Lionel, his wife, and one of his daughters. 691 00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:38,300 Sounds a bit like the Famous Five going on an adventure. 692 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,440 Yeah, well, I said, no, I'm not going. 693 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,540 I think now she's... Although she says I think she wished she had it done, 694 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,740 because that was an experience. 695 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,920 So the second time we turned up there, and I took my friend who's a security 696 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,360 person to check the house out, because he said that they tried to blow his 697 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,560 up, and he had a steel front door and reinforced windows. 698 00:44:57,980 --> 00:45:00,800 Every time you went in there, he would pull the blinds, so it was completely 699 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,260 dark in there. Can we just rewind there? Who tried to blow up his house? 700 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,880 Well, he seems to think it was the pharmaceutical people. 701 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,120 And how did they try to do that? Because they sell drugs. 702 00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:11,140 I don't know. 703 00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:14,650 But there was explosions. We checked up and there was explosions in the street 704 00:45:14,650 --> 00:45:16,510 because the people said they'd brought their windows out. 705 00:45:17,070 --> 00:45:19,050 So something did happen, take place there. 706 00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:26,230 So anyway, so my friend is actually checking the place out to see how secure 707 00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:27,230 was, and it was. 708 00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:31,790 And he was curious about this dome in the ceiling, where did it go to, etc. 709 00:45:32,610 --> 00:45:33,690 Who built the dome? 710 00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:34,970 I don't know. 711 00:45:35,010 --> 00:45:36,090 Hewlett -Packard, I suppose. 712 00:45:36,430 --> 00:45:39,150 Because we know Hewlett -Packard built the machine. I don't know. He never 713 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,820 That would have been interesting to know who did the dome. 714 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,580 It's all taken away now. 715 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,500 Perhaps it's gone somewhere in time. 716 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,480 Perhaps they use it on Doctor Who. 717 00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:50,300 Who knows? 718 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,180 Anyway, so we sat round. 719 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,220 Government. The government must have it. Do you think so? Yeah. 720 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,420 Anyway, we sat round underneath this dome. 721 00:46:00,420 --> 00:46:03,940 And he played this music, like the 60s music. 722 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:08,020 And I thought, no big deal. I ain't going anywhere. 723 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,520 Then the next thing, I'm in Rome. 724 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,880 I'm there. 725 00:46:12,260 --> 00:46:17,520 And, I mean, I'm sure, I don't know, I'm sure that maybe they couldn't see me. 726 00:46:17,780 --> 00:46:18,780 Maybe it was a dream. 727 00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:21,960 But then it would seem so real. But I've been to Rome. 728 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,740 I've been to the places there. So maybe because I've been there, I knew what it 729 00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:30,620 was like. But then I've gone to places I didn't recognise in Rome. 730 00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:32,660 And they were doing some building work there. 731 00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:34,840 And then... 732 00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:37,080 How do you mean? Modern day or old? Old. 733 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,320 Okay. 734 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,520 Then the next thing is that we're sort of all dozy looking at each other, and 735 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,840 asked questions, what happened, and we all said, yeah, we've been to Rome. 736 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,340 All said the same thing. All had been to Rome. Yeah. 737 00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:54,940 I don't know whether... Dino doesn't seem to think he was there for that 738 00:46:54,940 --> 00:46:59,060 experience. I'm not sure, so I can't say whether he did or not, really. Do you 739 00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:01,700 know what the time period was when you were supposed to be there? No. 740 00:47:03,370 --> 00:47:07,930 No. No, I don't know at all, but it was old, you know? Edie? I don't know. 741 00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:14,390 So then we were just sitting there and we thought, we were just talking about 742 00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:19,450 things. Then the chap that owned the place, he said, oh, I think it's time 743 00:47:19,450 --> 00:47:20,450 left now, it's getting on. 744 00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:22,730 Now, we got there from around about 12ish. 745 00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:28,150 Midday? Yeah. Okay. Now we're talking, maybe an hour we spent, but now we're 746 00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:29,410 talking at six o 'clock in the evening. 747 00:47:29,610 --> 00:47:31,330 So where were we for that five hours? 748 00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:33,600 you know, that was gone. 749 00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:35,340 When we came out, it was dark. 750 00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:36,940 We came out, it was dark. 751 00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:39,740 And we felt a little bit tired and a bit groggy, you know. 752 00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:43,000 And coming back home in the drive, he even said, he said, I just don't feel 753 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,440 right, you know. And we said, well, we pulled over into a cafe and had a cup of 754 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,220 tea and sort of dealt with it until we got our senses back to us. 755 00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:51,060 So that happened. 756 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,920 Then I've heard that people have gone down there and have tried to steal 757 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,738 from him. 758 00:47:57,740 --> 00:48:00,940 Oh, that's horrible. Yeah, all sorts of things. And trying to get the idea of 759 00:48:00,940 --> 00:48:01,940 what goes on. 760 00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:06,300 There's another one, another machine my publishers found at the bottom of the 761 00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:07,300 Pyrenees. 762 00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:09,380 What, the same as this one? 763 00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:12,140 No. There's a group of people there. 764 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,920 I forget what they call themselves now, but they're self -sufficient, and they 765 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,320 sell, like, pasta to Harrods and things like that. But it was an insurance guy 766 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,900 that made a load of money and built into this mountain and put this big glass 767 00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:24,900 thing in there. 768 00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:29,590 And introduced this time machine, which apparently was working. 769 00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:34,830 Well, funny enough, that was going to be my next question was, do you know of 770 00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:35,589 any others? 771 00:48:35,590 --> 00:48:39,410 And there was supposed to be one in Russia and one in Sweden. 772 00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:45,990 I mean, it was interesting when my son, when he was working for this company, 773 00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:50,030 and one of the chaps come in and said, he'd just been to Sweden. 774 00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:52,350 And he said, he'd been to this place. 775 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,860 And he said, I saw some strange lights in that guy. 776 00:48:56,180 --> 00:48:58,880 He said, then they came in bigger. And he said, it was like big craft. 777 00:48:59,740 --> 00:49:03,100 He said, we all got frightened. And we went into the hotel and was looking out 778 00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,520 the windows. And the people in the hotel said, you have to be frightened. 779 00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:08,300 They're coming all the time. They've come from stars to see us. 780 00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,940 And they would go to the village and talk to the children in the village. 781 00:49:12,340 --> 00:49:14,620 And they were blue -eyed with blonde hair as well. 782 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,300 I mean, I was looking back at the time machine here. 783 00:49:19,340 --> 00:49:20,340 If they're... 784 00:49:20,570 --> 00:49:24,610 This chap in Bath had this one in his house, and there's supposed to be others 785 00:49:24,610 --> 00:49:30,410 in the Pyrenees, but if the government or others have something like this, and 786 00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:36,850 it's in the wrong hands, the implications of this are absolutely 787 00:49:36,850 --> 00:49:39,230 things could be taken back. 788 00:49:39,790 --> 00:49:43,030 Well, go back in history or in the future and things have changed. 789 00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:47,730 I mean, you just need to take out one person in a timeline and it alters 790 00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:50,830 everything. It's a bit like the film, isn't it, with the old DeLorean car 791 00:49:50,830 --> 00:49:53,230 into time and back in time and changing things. 792 00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:58,690 Well, they say the ripple effect, I mean, it could be absolutely huge, 793 00:49:58,690 --> 00:50:02,170 it? Just you change one thing in history. 794 00:50:02,430 --> 00:50:03,430 It's gone, yeah. 795 00:50:03,630 --> 00:50:04,970 It's actually quite dangerous. 796 00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:07,850 And how do we know that it hasn't happened? 797 00:50:08,110 --> 00:50:12,010 Something could have happened. When you went to Rome, something could have 798 00:50:12,010 --> 00:50:14,330 happened, couldn't it? Something could be changed. 799 00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:16,230 Yeah, and why did I go to Rome? 800 00:50:16,570 --> 00:50:18,010 I've never wanted to go to Rome. 801 00:50:18,250 --> 00:50:23,410 And then it was just that me and Diane went to Rome prior to that. Why? 802 00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:29,750 Do you know of anybody else who used the time machine in this chap's house that 803 00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:30,770 went anywhere else? 804 00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:36,570 The only story that I heard from the guy that owned it was that he sent somebody 805 00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:42,750 back in time, but when he came back to our time, he was badly bruised and been 806 00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:45,010 beaten up, and he had to take him to hospital. 807 00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:50,050 And they couldn't explain to the hospital what happened, but he knew that 808 00:50:50,050 --> 00:50:51,050 been attacked. 809 00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:55,630 Where? I don't know the story. You wouldn't tell me. He just said, you 810 00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:56,730 it's very dangerous. 811 00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:59,490 Exactly. Well, that's what I was thinking. 812 00:50:59,790 --> 00:51:00,790 What if... 813 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,640 If someone had gone into the time machine, not that I want to put a damper 814 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,900 this because it sounds like a fantastic experience, but they actually died in 815 00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:14,160 their experience, something had happened like this trap. 816 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,600 I mean, that again must have some implications. Well, I'm thinking on that 817 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,640 feeling that I'm there, but these people are ignoring me. 818 00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:26,550 You know, I've got my normal clothes on. That would be questionable, wouldn't 819 00:51:26,550 --> 00:51:31,470 it? Well, yeah. So you're saying they can't see you? Maybe there's two things 820 00:51:31,470 --> 00:51:35,550 here, because he said, if I put this other audio tape on, it's different to 821 00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:40,370 one I'm putting on. So maybe there's one that you actually are there, you know? 822 00:51:40,650 --> 00:51:42,450 Because he was holding back on a load of things. 823 00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:45,210 So what you're saying is like you're just an observer. 824 00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:46,910 Yeah. They can't see you. 825 00:51:47,370 --> 00:51:51,050 It's like you're just being a voyeur, and you can see what is happening at 826 00:51:51,050 --> 00:51:52,050 time. 827 00:51:52,270 --> 00:51:56,950 So it's really like your, I suppose we could say, psychic eye. 828 00:51:57,210 --> 00:52:01,750 Your psychic eye is seeing it, but your physical body isn't necessarily there. 829 00:52:02,770 --> 00:52:07,230 That's quite a scary experience. But for it to happen to six or seven people 830 00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:10,930 with the same story. Yes, well, they've all tuned in on a frequency. 831 00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:15,490 But science is progressing all the time. 832 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,140 And we have no idea really what goes on behind closed doors. 833 00:52:20,340 --> 00:52:22,800 The other one is called Damaha in Italy. 834 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,320 Okay. So that might be worth looking up. I think it's Damaha. I've actually got 835 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,060 a tape of it, but not in use. 836 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,940 But they went there and they said there's lots of copper pipe running 837 00:52:33,940 --> 00:52:39,200 walls, copper, like big thick copper stuff around the walls and that. 838 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,260 There's some sort of an earthy thing, whatever it is, you know. But I think 839 00:52:42,260 --> 00:52:44,480 the ones that we don't know about which are there. 840 00:52:45,050 --> 00:52:48,570 That other motorway, and why they're being used. Apparently the Germans had a 841 00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:52,430 similar thing, or were delving into it, and I saw a programme about that, which 842 00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:53,590 was quite interesting. 843 00:52:53,810 --> 00:52:55,330 And it reminded me of this guy. 844 00:52:55,530 --> 00:53:00,690 I mean, he was 78 years old, and he was quite fit for his age, but then we lost 845 00:53:00,690 --> 00:53:05,030 contact, and unfortunately he's passed away. But where all that stuff's gone, I 846 00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:09,830 just don't know. Well, where there's anything like this, of a new technology, 847 00:53:09,830 --> 00:53:12,490 goes usually into the government's hands. 848 00:53:12,910 --> 00:53:13,910 Probably. 849 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,360 And that's why I didn't understand why the ships were half buried in their own 850 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,760 planet. A third of the ships couldn't be used here. Of course they couldn't. 851 00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:41,200 They were dead inside anyway. 852 00:53:41,460 --> 00:53:43,620 And in that case, the entire planet is dead. 853 00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:45,900 So they were back up, they got there. 854 00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:52,000 And that's, you know, they'll never be used. They'll be there as monuments to 855 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,000 evil culture. 856 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,160 If that's what's happening, we should find out. Not really, because they're 857 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,158 light years away. 858 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,560 Long time, we can never know. 859 00:54:00,620 --> 00:54:03,640 Unless we know the technology. So they actually travel through some sort of a 860 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,240 time walker. They can open doors. 861 00:54:05,540 --> 00:54:10,100 They sit there. Within two days of that going on, they can open doors in the 862 00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:11,240 time walk and escape it. 863 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,540 I don't know. 864 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,860 Lancet had those. 865 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,240 Not like that there. Maybe they had a disc with 12 stones in it. 866 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,240 Two discs there. They were called the Silmarils. 867 00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:28,320 And then the priests held them. And they used to use a sun to shine through. 868 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,660 They're big stuff, every little one, they're big ones. 869 00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:35,380 And they had a limited amount of heat from them, which was in those days 870 00:54:35,380 --> 00:54:38,200 powerful, you know, green magic, Merlin and all that. 871 00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:42,980 And they were in the war apparently, and according to one of the contacts with 872 00:54:42,980 --> 00:54:47,120 Grand Master, I was one of those that blew a latches up or had a good hand in 873 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:52,100 it. So they say, this is my tennis, I've got to put this right there, so it may 874 00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:53,100 be right, I don't know. 875 00:54:53,310 --> 00:54:55,330 But it took 50 years to be down. 876 00:54:55,530 --> 00:54:56,530 There's stones. 877 00:54:56,590 --> 00:54:57,590 There's stones. 878 00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:59,670 And look under there. 879 00:54:59,910 --> 00:55:01,010 Look underneath that one. 880 00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:03,950 Good grief, that's beautiful, isn't it? 881 00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:06,810 Biggest plate of jewels ever put together in the history of mankind. 882 00:55:07,350 --> 00:55:08,410 In the plate of gold. 883 00:55:09,830 --> 00:55:10,910 That's really beautiful. 884 00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:12,470 That's gold, Tom. 885 00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:13,770 You'll agree. 886 00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:16,470 Yeah. 887 00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:17,730 Wow. 888 00:55:18,830 --> 00:55:19,970 What a million pounds. 889 00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:24,130 Absolutely gorgeous, isn't it? 890 00:55:24,350 --> 00:55:27,330 The colours coming off of there, yeah. 891 00:55:28,850 --> 00:55:29,850 It's only money, Arthur. 892 00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:31,050 Yeah. 893 00:55:32,550 --> 00:55:33,550 It's not, it's energy. 894 00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:37,130 That's it, I mean, what are you, you know, money's not important, that is. 895 00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:39,030 it is. It's amazing what you can do. Yeah. 896 00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:41,870 Well, 897 00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:45,950 me going there to be with Kat, if you look at me, and we've, um, we've played, 898 00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:50,630 we've paid out the houses, Dr Carson and I, it's a good moment, and, um, put the 899 00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:51,750 mic right by the way, kind of thing. 900 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,800 And they took one look and said, oh, come and look at that sort of thing. He 901 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,800 said, oh, yes, you can. 902 00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,820 But we, well, which one? That one? 903 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,160 You only don't write, do you? 904 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,260 But I wouldn't mind getting this within a second. 905 00:56:09,740 --> 00:56:13,380 Does it work on the energy field in some way? I don't know what. You don't know, 906 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:14,900 really. What is it? It's a mix. 907 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,280 Many other things. 908 00:56:20,330 --> 00:56:21,330 Lockham Palace. 909 00:56:21,590 --> 00:56:22,590 Lockham Palace. 910 00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:24,890 Chris Patton. 911 00:56:25,150 --> 00:56:26,590 All of them were in it. Mrs. Patter. 912 00:56:28,310 --> 00:56:29,690 Down in the street. 913 00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:31,530 But it didn't have to be anywhere. 914 00:56:32,110 --> 00:56:33,690 Yeah. Too good. 915 00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:34,930 Above and below. 916 00:56:36,090 --> 00:56:37,170 Can you see it in there? 917 00:56:37,810 --> 00:56:41,350 No, it looks as though you're behind it. Does it? Yeah, come forward. 918 00:56:41,770 --> 00:56:44,710 Well, I am right forward of it. Yeah, come forward more. 919 00:56:45,070 --> 00:56:47,470 Well, I am now two foot in front of it still. 920 00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:52,100 It still looks as though your hands are becoming big. But I can actually feel. 921 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,220 Yeah, you can. It's a wonderful thing. 922 00:56:55,420 --> 00:56:57,300 It's fantastic, isn't it? It really is. 923 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,080 Put your hands under that one. 924 00:57:02,380 --> 00:57:08,440 Yeah, that is... That is something else. That doesn't feel... Yeah, you're going 925 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:09,500 to have to just... I'll see you. 926 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,120 I'll see you soon, mate. 927 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,340 Get rid of... What's it called? 928 00:57:14,740 --> 00:57:16,120 It's either acrylic or it's... 929 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:37,140 On Monday evening I was with a guy who is very, he is a healer, and 930 00:57:37,140 --> 00:57:38,180 he's also, 931 00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:42,840 he's a bit of a bad boy and all the rest of it. 932 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,320 And I was talking to him. 933 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:51,440 There's another friend of mine who makes, he's got a camera, you know the 934 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:58,500 the ordinary video camera, and they have a program which they use, and they're 935 00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:00,700 trying to look at the aura. 936 00:58:01,020 --> 00:58:06,740 It's like the energy field around you, but using a video camera. I'm sure it 937 00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:11,920 Similar sort of thing, but not quite the same. 938 00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:17,780 It's not the sort of principle, but the idea is to try and see what is around 939 00:58:17,780 --> 00:58:24,780 you. Four years ago, another friend of mine who I met while I was down here, 940 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,880 he came along to understand color. 941 00:58:34,180 --> 00:58:37,960 A computer fan to keep the computer cool. 942 00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:41,800 It's an old computer I put in there over 20 years ago. 943 00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:51,490 And you're working on a new book, aren't you, Terry? 944 00:58:51,830 --> 00:58:54,510 Well, we have been for about the last 20 years. 945 00:58:56,170 --> 00:58:57,650 You're taking it home. 946 00:58:58,190 --> 00:59:03,210 This one is to do, funnily enough, about how you can travel from planets, you 947 00:59:03,210 --> 00:59:08,130 know, and different things that will throw you from one planet to another and 948 00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:12,430 maybe the way that they bend in space. But there was a guy now, I'll tell you 949 00:59:12,430 --> 00:59:15,670 this, there was a guy, I got a phone call from a guy who puts all those 950 00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:16,638 out in space. 951 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,840 and he works for this university in Guildford. 952 00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:23,900 He's very, very clever. And they wanted to do a 3D picture of the Earth, and 953 00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:24,900 he'd done it with mirrors. 954 00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:26,760 You know, he's a clever person. 955 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:32,440 And I gave a talk once, and I was talking about how you can finish up. 956 00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:36,060 Because the stars are nearer than what we think they are, and they can finish 957 00:59:36,060 --> 00:59:37,220 there quicker, OK? 958 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,880 But we are drifting away from the stars now. 959 00:59:41,180 --> 00:59:43,180 Within years, they're going to be so distant. 960 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,350 So I was explaining... how you can travel. 961 00:59:46,930 --> 00:59:52,910 And if you were to travel out in space, there are things out there like gravity 962 00:59:52,910 --> 00:59:57,210 that will slow you down because of the wind from the planets. It causes the 963 00:59:57,210 --> 00:59:58,149 gravity. 964 00:59:58,150 --> 01:00:01,190 And this guy said, well, I don't think so, you know. 965 01:00:01,650 --> 01:00:04,170 Anyway, so I get a call from this guy called Arthur. 966 01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:07,930 And he said, the guy who works for the BBC, I think he was called Cook or 967 01:00:07,930 --> 01:00:09,470 somebody, has done this report. 968 01:00:09,850 --> 01:00:13,270 And they're wondering why one of the satellites is not moving on, it's 969 01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:15,570 buffeting. But they found out it's buffeting against gravity. 970 01:00:16,410 --> 01:00:20,850 So you would need a magnetic energy to get through that, to get through that, 971 01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:23,010 which these guys from the stars can do. 972 01:00:23,690 --> 01:00:27,510 So he said, he's prepared to send you the report and you can use it in your 973 01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:28,510 book. So I've got his report. 974 01:00:29,310 --> 01:00:32,850 So I can do, if the book comes out, I can do all sorts of things, you know. 975 01:00:32,910 --> 01:00:38,350 There was an airline pilot locally in Crowthorne that I met, was told to keep 976 01:00:38,350 --> 01:00:39,650 quiet, mustn't say anything. 977 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,620 And I happened to be on a small aeroplane with one of my friends. 978 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:48,680 And she brought him along with us. And she said, this is Captain so -and -so. 979 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,220 Worked for British Airways and worked for somebody else. 980 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,680 And he's had an experience and wants to talk to you. 981 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,640 And his experience was that he was coming into Heathrow. 982 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,740 He said, we were quite a bit out, but that was our course in Heathrow. 983 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,760 He said, and two crafts come across the front of the aeroplane. 984 01:01:05,260 --> 01:01:06,440 He said, and we saw them. 985 01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:09,320 He said, within a few seconds, he said. 986 01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:14,040 The people on the aeroplane could see these things, but they couldn't make out 987 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,040 just what they were. 988 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,280 He said, but we know what they were because we've seen them before. 989 01:01:17,740 --> 01:01:20,200 He said, then they come across the front of us again. 990 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,960 He said, then they come left to right, and then they just shut off. 991 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:28,500 He said, I had to do a report when I got back, but I was told not to tell 992 01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:29,500 anybody anything. 993 01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,560 He said, when I retire in two years' time, here's my card. He said, you come 994 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,560 see me, and if you want to put that in the book, I'll tell you exactly what 995 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,360 happened, times, places, and everything. 996 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,880 Since the book was out, I've had loads of people come forward, loads of 997 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,980 celebrities and loads of people, military people, that told me stories 998 01:01:48,980 --> 01:01:51,720 only convinced me that what happened to me was real, it was true. 999 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:53,580 It had to be, you know? 1000 01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:55,400 So that's the good side of it. 1001 01:01:56,020 --> 01:01:57,960 So I can sleep at night not worrying. 1002 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,620 Well, you know your truth, don't you? 1003 01:02:00,860 --> 01:02:01,860 Yeah. 1004 01:02:01,900 --> 01:02:07,420 So, on a final thought, just before we finish, two questions, I guess. 1005 01:02:08,170 --> 01:02:12,410 Do you think that we will have mass alien contact soon? 1006 01:02:13,030 --> 01:02:18,450 And if you do, do you think it will be like close encounters or will it be like 1007 01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:20,330 independency, friend or foe? 1008 01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:22,690 So it will be like mashing your potato up? 1009 01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:26,790 Or blowing up the White House? Will they come in peace? 1010 01:02:27,450 --> 01:02:28,630 What do you think? 1011 01:02:29,050 --> 01:02:32,230 Well, the only experience I've had has been peaceful, beneficial. 1012 01:02:32,490 --> 01:02:33,910 Somebody said once, well... 1013 01:02:34,330 --> 01:02:37,930 If you've been on board a UFO and this happened, why don't you bring something 1014 01:02:37,930 --> 01:02:41,270 back? I suppose you go into hospital and have an operation, you don't go around 1015 01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:42,270 nicking things, do you? 1016 01:02:42,490 --> 01:02:47,950 Under them circumstances, what am I supposed to do? I've brought back an 1017 01:02:47,950 --> 01:02:49,470 operation which I'm very grateful for. 1018 01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:52,990 That's what I've brought back. You've brought back a new body. Yeah, that's 1019 01:02:52,990 --> 01:02:55,290 I've brought back. And you're grateful at that? Yeah. 1020 01:02:56,830 --> 01:03:02,090 You can't... I suppose really some people, when they don't believe these 1021 01:03:02,170 --> 01:03:03,170 it's very difficult. 1022 01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:05,170 But why should I have to explain myself? 1023 01:03:05,790 --> 01:03:08,510 Well, you don't have to. I don't have to, do I? You believe it or you don't. I 1024 01:03:08,510 --> 01:03:09,348 really don't care. 1025 01:03:09,350 --> 01:03:10,350 I'm past that. 1026 01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:15,930 I never went into that anyway. Because I'm so convinced all the way through my 1027 01:03:15,930 --> 01:03:17,950 life that I didn't have to prove anything to anybody. 1028 01:03:18,290 --> 01:03:21,190 I've got all the x -rays and things for my own benefit. 1029 01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:23,070 And my blood tests for my own benefit. 1030 01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:25,530 You know, that's what really happened. 1031 01:03:26,550 --> 01:03:27,890 But at the end of the day... 1032 01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:32,460 it's benefited your life and the people around you. It's made it easier for me 1033 01:03:32,460 --> 01:03:33,319 to understand. 1034 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:34,800 Exactly. I don't have to go looking. 1035 01:03:35,180 --> 01:03:38,560 It happens for a reason, whether you know what the reason is or not. 1036 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,140 Maybe. Yeah, maybe. Like I say in the book, I don't think I'm here to save the 1037 01:03:43,140 --> 01:03:45,820 world, or they are, but I think they're keeping a very close eye on it. 1038 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,840 You know, I mean, when you see, like, bent waters, what happened up there, and 1039 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,180 they disarmed all the nuclear warheads, you know, and they were in this country. 1040 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,380 We didn't even know they were in this country. Our government didn't even know 1041 01:03:55,380 --> 01:03:57,340 they were in this country, you know. 1042 01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,620 And when you see these, like the things on UFOs, which I watch on the telly 1043 01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:04,980 sometimes, and when these guys are around, they're always doing good 1044 01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,480 You know, apart from the little guys that go around probing you, I don't 1045 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,880 And on that probing note, thank you so much, Terry, for your time. It's been 1046 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:21,220 absolutely fascinating, the experiences that you've had, and I'd love to be able 1047 01:04:21,220 --> 01:04:22,220 to have some of them myself. 1048 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:23,279 Maybe you will. 1049 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:23,939 I do. 1050 01:04:23,940 --> 01:04:26,580 Thanks for taking your time out. Thank you so much. 1051 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:28,160 Cheers. 1052 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,020 Hello there and welcome to Gardeners World. 1053 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,940 Thanks for joining me. I just want to say one thing to all the people at Edge. 1054 01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:54,820 Well done. I think it's a fantastic thing you're all doing. 1055 01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:59,320 Now tonight on Gardeners World, we're going to have a special show because 1056 01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:00,320 going to have some music. 1057 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,740 A good friend of mine, Nick Ashron, who is actually a musician, an award 1058 01:07:05,740 --> 01:07:10,200 -winning writer and presenter and artist. 1059 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,780 So this is going to be an interesting show. 1060 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,260 Nick has made... 1061 01:07:15,580 --> 01:07:22,000 Many albums. This one in particular is a really nice collection of his work. 1062 01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:26,320 It's called Nick Akron Selections, and it's got different songs from various 1063 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,180 albums that he's produced over the years. 1064 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,020 And these are some of the different albums that he's done. 1065 01:07:31,340 --> 01:07:36,840 He's done it with himself and with his own band known as Elfin Spiral, where he 1066 01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:42,560 regularly has guest artists and female artists on there. So it's really 1067 01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:43,560 fascinating stuff. 1068 01:07:44,220 --> 01:07:50,200 And Nick's book, By the Light of the Star, tells us all about his life, 1069 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,160 it's a fascinating life, isn't it, Nick? 1070 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:54,940 Nick, thank you for coming on the show. 1071 01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,160 Thank you for having me. Really appreciate it, my friend. Pleasure. 1072 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:02,300 Thank you. Now, a little introduction. That cannot do you justice, because your 1073 01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:06,180 history, I know, is a remarkable one and very varied. 1074 01:08:06,420 --> 01:08:10,740 And before we get into some of the things that you do now, just tell us a 1075 01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:13,060 bit about your varied past. 1076 01:08:13,610 --> 01:08:18,090 my varied past well i suppose they have to go right back to the very early 1077 01:08:18,090 --> 01:08:25,029 beginning of really with the seeds for what i'm doing now um and this 1078 01:08:25,029 --> 01:08:31,310 occurred when i was eight years old there i was eight years old and i'm 1079 01:08:31,310 --> 01:08:35,350 in a comp and we used to have compulsory religious education classes 1080 01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:40,109 Most of the time I used to stare out the window. I just wanted to be in the 1081 01:08:40,109 --> 01:08:44,250 trees because I used to spend all my childhood in trees. I loved being in 1082 01:08:44,250 --> 01:08:50,550 nature. But my attention was drawn to back into the classroom when they were 1083 01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:56,529 talking about an individual that went around healing people and had such an 1084 01:08:56,529 --> 01:08:58,290 immense amount of love and compassion. 1085 01:08:58,689 --> 01:09:04,450 And something really just triggered inside me that was really profound. 1086 01:09:06,189 --> 01:09:10,029 That's what I want to do. At that age? At that age. At eight years old? At 1087 01:09:10,029 --> 01:09:12,390 years old, yeah. Interesting, isn't it? It is. 1088 01:09:12,689 --> 01:09:17,630 It's almost like, I start the beginning of the book by saying that 1089 01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:24,490 it's like we do have an inner knowing, but 1090 01:09:24,490 --> 01:09:29,130 we don't actually know what it is we know. And our journey, to a large 1091 01:09:29,210 --> 01:09:31,689 is discovering actually what we already know. 1092 01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:37,520 But in the process of that, we discover, if you like, how things are not in 1093 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,939 order to then find out how things are. And that kind of thing has been how my 1094 01:09:41,939 --> 01:09:42,898 journey has been. 1095 01:09:42,899 --> 01:09:47,779 And from that early age of eight, obviously I'm thinking, you know, I 1096 01:09:47,779 --> 01:09:48,459 any different. 1097 01:09:48,460 --> 01:09:51,060 You know, they're talking about a guy that goes down healing and I'm going, 1098 01:09:51,180 --> 01:09:52,180 I want to do that. 1099 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,060 So how and where? 1100 01:09:55,560 --> 01:10:02,460 Now, because the source that was presenting that information was 1101 01:10:02,460 --> 01:10:05,060 the church, I thought I'll start going to church. 1102 01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:07,550 natural thing to do. 1103 01:10:08,150 --> 01:10:11,930 And yet I used to go and I'd look around and I'd think, where are the people 1104 01:10:11,930 --> 01:10:12,930 doing the healing? 1105 01:10:13,330 --> 01:10:17,690 And I'd actually question either the priests or the reverends and I'd 1106 01:10:17,690 --> 01:10:20,490 go up and I'd say to them, where are the people doing healing? 1107 01:10:21,330 --> 01:10:22,950 In the straightforward Church of England? 1108 01:10:23,410 --> 01:10:26,690 Yeah, yeah, in the Church of England. And I'd just get the response, 1109 01:10:27,390 --> 01:10:29,130 no, only Jesus could heal. 1110 01:10:29,670 --> 01:10:32,310 That's what they told me. And I'm like puzzled because... 1111 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:37,540 They're all talking about the Bible, which is the tone that they are 1112 01:10:37,540 --> 01:10:39,200 that Jesus' words are in, right? 1113 01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:45,940 And I recall distinctly being told that Jesus said, well, I do, you can do, and 1114 01:10:45,940 --> 01:10:46,940 much more. 1115 01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:52,240 So I quote this. I go, well, why does your Bible say that then? Oh, no, only 1116 01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,160 Jesus can hear. And I was just dismissed. Christ is all and in all, 1117 01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,080 So... 1118 01:10:57,309 --> 01:11:02,390 And because my early childhood was quite unusual in that my father was a 1119 01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:03,670 commercial airline pilot. 1120 01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:04,910 All right. 1121 01:11:05,150 --> 01:11:06,590 This is his jacket. 1122 01:11:06,990 --> 01:11:09,070 Sorry? This isn't his jacket. No, it's not his jacket. 1123 01:11:11,370 --> 01:11:16,950 We spent most of my sort of early teenage years or childhood and early 1124 01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:18,470 years living in different countries. 1125 01:11:18,690 --> 01:11:19,608 Right. 1126 01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:23,130 The only schooling that was really available was some kind of priest -run 1127 01:11:23,130 --> 01:11:26,730 school, be it Catholic or Anglican or whatever. 1128 01:11:27,550 --> 01:11:32,950 And, you know, there was still this lack of seeing anybody doing healing. 1129 01:11:33,210 --> 01:11:38,390 So by the time I got to sort of about 18, 19, I didn't want anything to do 1130 01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:40,070 conventional religion. 1131 01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:41,269 Right. 1132 01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:45,370 You know, kind of like it didn't resonate with me. You know, like I was 1133 01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:50,350 we know things, but... We don't necessarily know what we know, but we 1134 01:11:50,350 --> 01:11:52,990 something resonates with us or not. Like a ring of truth. 1135 01:11:53,410 --> 01:11:54,410 That's the one. 1136 01:11:54,590 --> 01:11:59,590 And it's interesting that you brought that up because that was also something 1137 01:11:59,590 --> 01:12:04,370 that was very profound to me when there were people talking about what's the 1138 01:12:04,370 --> 01:12:08,710 truth? What's the truth of things? I used to ponder that and I used to go, 1139 01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:11,930 how can we ascertain what the truth is? 1140 01:12:13,070 --> 01:12:20,030 And I thought in my simple logistical mind as a young that if I want to know 1141 01:12:20,030 --> 01:12:22,950 what the truth is, I have to live truthfully. 1142 01:12:23,970 --> 01:12:30,830 And as long as I live as truthful to myself and to others, then I'm like 1143 01:12:30,830 --> 01:12:32,150 in the vibration of truth. 1144 01:12:32,670 --> 01:12:36,730 Therefore, it will resonate with me or not. 1145 01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,360 if something is presented you have those feelings that that perception then of 1146 01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:47,060 this resonance and this frequency to that or or you know is that something 1147 01:12:47,060 --> 01:12:52,360 bought later in life well it's almost like i always knew but i didn't really 1148 01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:56,940 know what i knew and the journey is really the terms that you're using right 1149 01:12:56,940 --> 01:13:02,780 frequency wavelength well yeah they might not been the terms that i used 1150 01:13:02,780 --> 01:13:08,330 was more like just i had this this kind of knowing and a sense An intuition. 1151 01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:12,470 Yeah, very much an intuition because that's the way I work, very much 1152 01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:13,470 intuitively. 1153 01:13:14,370 --> 01:13:15,370 Teaching within. 1154 01:13:15,850 --> 01:13:16,850 Yeah, yeah. 1155 01:13:17,470 --> 01:13:22,450 And it wasn't until I got to the age of about 21, 22 that I was introduced to 1156 01:13:22,450 --> 01:13:24,810 people that were actually doing healing. Right. 1157 01:13:25,170 --> 01:13:27,230 And they called it spiritual healing. 1158 01:13:28,050 --> 01:13:32,230 And I went up to one of the healers and I said, you know, I've been looking for 1159 01:13:32,230 --> 01:13:33,370 this for a long, long time. 1160 01:13:34,850 --> 01:13:35,870 Can I do it? 1161 01:13:36,700 --> 01:13:40,040 I don't know anything about the human anatomy or anything like that. 1162 01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,060 And the healer said to me, yes, of course you can. 1163 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,460 I said, well, what do I do then? And he said, well, put out your intent. 1164 01:13:48,860 --> 01:13:53,600 And that has still stuck with me. The power of intent is still very much a key 1165 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:59,980 understanding that I still adhere to. The power of making your intention. 1166 01:14:00,180 --> 01:14:04,560 This is something that seems to be fairly widespread in these fields. 1167 01:14:04,780 --> 01:14:06,100 For instance, in dowsing. 1168 01:14:06,650 --> 01:14:09,350 You know, if you're going to go and douse, there's no point in going out 1169 01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:12,710 wondering what it is you're going to find. You supposedly have to go out 1170 01:14:12,710 --> 01:14:15,130 and say, I want to find a nice clean water system. 1171 01:14:15,530 --> 01:14:19,210 Right, right. You have to put the intention out. And again, that's a very 1172 01:14:19,210 --> 01:14:22,670 frequency -led, supposedly, concept, isn't it? 1173 01:14:22,930 --> 01:14:25,150 Yeah, I mean, I think in terms of... You're putting out a vibe. 1174 01:14:25,450 --> 01:14:30,430 Yeah, the way I think in terms of intention, that is the most powerful 1175 01:14:30,430 --> 01:14:31,850 act that we can ever make. 1176 01:14:32,210 --> 01:14:36,050 Nothing would manifest in our realities unless we made... Yeah. 1177 01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:40,780 There's an intention for it. The will shall be the whole of the law, as Mr. 1178 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:41,800 Crowley would say. 1179 01:14:41,980 --> 01:14:46,760 So he basically said, put out your intention to be an instrument to channel 1180 01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:47,760 healing energies. 1181 01:14:47,780 --> 01:14:49,520 I was like, that's it? 1182 01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,020 Simple as that? Yeah. And did it work? 1183 01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:54,320 And it did. 1184 01:14:54,500 --> 01:14:58,580 And, you know, I... So did you go on and heal people? 1185 01:14:59,470 --> 01:15:04,570 When the occasion arose of any kind of situation where I knew someone that was 1186 01:15:04,570 --> 01:15:11,030 suffering in some kind of way... How would you go and heal somebody? 1187 01:15:11,410 --> 01:15:15,770 Let's say I have done a cake right now, what sort of thing would it be? 1188 01:15:16,090 --> 01:15:20,010 Well, the way that I did it and the way that I was told to do it was that I 1189 01:15:20,010 --> 01:15:25,410 would sit the person down, tell them just to close their eyes and think of 1190 01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:26,410 something serene. 1191 01:15:26,780 --> 01:15:30,240 not worry I wouldn't necessarily tell them what I'm doing because I didn't 1192 01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:35,160 to create a kind of I just said oh I think I can help in some way to sit in 1193 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:40,740 chair and close your eyes and then I would literally make that intent that 1194 01:15:40,740 --> 01:15:46,260 healing energy is coming through me and I just allow my hands to pass around the 1195 01:15:46,260 --> 01:15:51,460 person I wouldn't touch them I'd be a distance away from them but I would feel 1196 01:15:51,460 --> 01:15:52,780 that my hands got very warm 1197 01:15:53,580 --> 01:15:54,900 I did notice that. 1198 01:15:55,180 --> 01:16:00,680 And then I would, as the healer had explained to me, just go where you feel, 1199 01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:05,240 know, so if I felt drawn to a particular area, I'd sit and linger there for a 1200 01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:06,240 moment. 1201 01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:10,040 And basically that's as simple as it was. 1202 01:16:10,580 --> 01:16:11,760 Was it ever not worked? 1203 01:16:13,540 --> 01:16:17,140 Not in the sense, it might not have been an immediate. 1204 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:19,560 There might not have been an immediate. 1205 01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,440 Although... Most people have always expressed some kind of... I mean, one 1206 01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:31,140 who had a back problem was convinced that I'd held some big 1207 01:16:31,140 --> 01:16:35,260 metal rod, pushed it up against his back. 1208 01:16:35,530 --> 01:16:39,470 I didn't feel physical things before. He felt like his back straightened and he 1209 01:16:39,470 --> 01:16:44,430 thought, he said, oh, what was that metal rod you put up against my spine? I 1210 01:16:44,430 --> 01:16:48,130 went, I didn't even touch it. But what do you think about maybe, you know, what 1211 01:16:48,130 --> 01:16:51,930 a psychologist would sit here and say that this is psychosomatic and that 1212 01:16:51,930 --> 01:16:56,810 are creating these feelings of a metal thing behind them inside their own mind, 1213 01:16:56,890 --> 01:16:58,850 etc. Do you just not care? 1214 01:17:00,030 --> 01:17:01,430 Or do you look into that? 1215 01:17:03,850 --> 01:17:09,910 I haven't needed, let's say, scientific proof or anything like that in my 1216 01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:15,790 journey because experience to me is a big part. 1217 01:17:16,190 --> 01:17:20,210 That doesn't mean to say I haven't kept an eye. I have always kept an eye on 1218 01:17:20,210 --> 01:17:27,010 what scientific explanations of things, particularly recently with the advent 1219 01:17:27,010 --> 01:17:32,610 of quantum physics and what's coming out of that camp, I find fascinating in the 1220 01:17:32,610 --> 01:17:33,610 light of... 1221 01:17:33,630 --> 01:17:38,010 what my understanding, which has come very much from more spiritually kind of, 1222 01:17:38,010 --> 01:17:42,370 if you like, to use the term channeled kind of. Almost as if we're, as a 1223 01:17:42,370 --> 01:17:45,110 society, coming full circle back to our ancestors. 1224 01:17:45,550 --> 01:17:51,450 Definitely. The science is putting us back that way. Well, you know, science, 1225 01:17:51,450 --> 01:17:54,110 some respect, what science said wasn't possible. 1226 01:17:55,140 --> 01:17:58,800 Yesterday they're saying it's possible now and so on and so on. I mean, people 1227 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:03,480 have been using certain processes for aeons without needing scientific proof 1228 01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:07,180 because they've worked. And then suddenly they find the scientific 1229 01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:10,560 When you sit down and you think about how the Greeks and the Egyptians used to 1230 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,400 have their healing centers and things, these are very holistic places. 1231 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,340 Now, speaking of holistic things, one of the things that you've got into that 1232 01:18:17,340 --> 01:18:22,000 I'm fascinated with, and I hope you'll do for us now, is your music. 1233 01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:26,790 Your music has been found to be very healing to people, and I think that 1234 01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:30,070 is science to a lot of things, and I think that it's very provable that 1235 01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:34,530 frequencies can... They did experiments with plants and things like that. 1236 01:18:35,050 --> 01:18:40,430 Certain kinds of music, as Hugh Montgomery was on the show recently, 1237 01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:44,210 privately, you know, as a PhD in audiology, that certain kinds of music 1238 01:18:44,210 --> 01:18:45,270 disturb you as well. 1239 01:18:45,570 --> 01:18:51,130 Absolutely. So will you very kindly go and pick up your guitar and give us a 1240 01:18:51,130 --> 01:18:52,130 moments of... 1241 01:18:52,580 --> 01:18:54,080 All right, I'll do that. 1242 01:18:54,460 --> 01:18:55,379 Thank you. 1243 01:18:55,380 --> 01:19:00,020 So we're going to listen to a nice little bit of music now from Nick 1244 01:19:00,020 --> 01:19:03,720 you ever want to listen to any more of Nick Asheron's stuff, he's got plenty of 1245 01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:09,020 CDs out, and he's got a website, nickasheron .com, is that right? 1246 01:19:09,420 --> 01:19:14,040 Yes. Yes, nickasheron .com. So there's plenty of music on there I think you can 1247 01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,800 click and listen to a few bits. So are we ready, Nick? 1248 01:19:17,140 --> 01:19:18,119 We are indeed. 1249 01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:19,120 Take it away. 1250 01:19:19,380 --> 01:19:20,660 It's called Lover's Lullaby. 1251 01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,240 Hi there, welcome back to Gardens World. Before the break we had the wonderful 1252 01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:56,840 music of Nick Asheron, and it certainly prepared the soul for many things, I'm 1253 01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:57,840 sure. 1254 01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:03,560 I was listening to you, and it brought back some memories from my childhood, 1255 01:22:03,780 --> 01:22:08,580 when I was in a little band, which back then we called Mind Machine. 1256 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,580 So God knows what we were thinking at the time. 1257 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,380 But I distinctly remember I was on the keyboard and we would jam. 1258 01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:22,480 I remember being in a loft in Nottingham, watching the sun go down, 1259 01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:25,980 on the bass and the guitar stood there with whatever it was they were smoking, 1260 01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:27,600 and, you know, I never touched the stuff. 1261 01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:33,180 But we were jamming, and the most beautiful thing that I remember about it 1262 01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:34,700 that we were all like one. 1263 01:22:35,260 --> 01:22:40,440 It was as if we all knew exactly what the next person, next chord the next 1264 01:22:40,440 --> 01:22:45,280 person would play, and who would play the little riffs, and whatever. You 1265 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:49,640 just... Strangely knew where to put your fingers on the keyboard. I've had that 1266 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:54,160 a lot when working with other musicians you go into this kind of always like a 1267 01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:59,580 Group consciousness if you like where you're totally in tune with everyone and 1268 01:22:59,580 --> 01:23:04,400 you just kind of you're improvising and but somehow you managed to go all kind 1269 01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:09,560 of Come together in this amazing space. What I find fascinating about it. Of 1270 01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:14,300 course is I'm not well known for being mr. Spiritual Yeah, I'm known for me. 1271 01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:16,630 Logic and all that all the rest of it. 1272 01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:19,650 You know, it's what you mean by the word spiritual though, isn't it? 1273 01:23:19,850 --> 01:23:22,990 Absolutely. God, spirituality, all those things you have to define. 1274 01:23:23,250 --> 01:23:27,810 But I'm not well known for being spiritual and I would class that 1275 01:23:27,810 --> 01:23:29,850 my own mind as a kind of spiritual experience. 1276 01:23:30,630 --> 01:23:36,270 You know, like similar experiences I've had in, for instance, Australia where, 1277 01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:40,550 you know, I walked out in the morning and there is a kangaroo, seven foot 1278 01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:44,550 kangaroo, this far away from me and everybody is going, get me out of the 1279 01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:48,220 quickly. And I'm going, I don't need to. I know this kangaroo means no harm. 1280 01:23:48,460 --> 01:23:51,960 I have no idea how to say, how to express. I knew. 1281 01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:54,840 And I've had similar experiences. I've had one with a brown bear. 1282 01:23:55,780 --> 01:23:57,320 I've had one even with a scorpion. 1283 01:23:57,580 --> 01:24:01,600 Do not fear the animals because I know that I'm expressing a certain kind of 1284 01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:02,600 frequency. 1285 01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,000 This is similar to the kind of things that you're doing with the healing of 1286 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:10,040 music, isn't it? You're expressing a frequency which resonates with people. 1287 01:24:10,300 --> 01:24:15,590 Yeah, and when I made the comment about spiritual, to me, what's... spirituality 1288 01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:21,350 means is the understanding that everything is connected that we're all 1289 01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:28,330 we are all connected and following a spiritual pathway again to me is with 1290 01:24:28,330 --> 01:24:32,270 that awareness and with that understanding is naturally going to 1291 01:24:32,270 --> 01:24:38,470 compassion and caring and and being aware of other people's feelings 1292 01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:45,020 um it's that connectedness that oneness, and that's what 1293 01:24:45,020 --> 01:24:49,260 I like to convey through the music. To me, nature is very, very important, 1294 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,660 always been really important to me, still is. 1295 01:24:52,060 --> 01:24:56,360 I need to spend frequent times just being at one in the natural environment. 1296 01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,400 I spent all my childhood, as I said, in trees. 1297 01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,380 What would you do if, I mean, how would you advise somebody, for instance, who 1298 01:25:02,380 --> 01:25:03,380 is... 1299 01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:09,980 deeply into the material world, their life is spent 40, 50, 60 hours a week at 1300 01:25:09,980 --> 01:25:13,040 the office. They have to drive through the traffic on the way home. 1301 01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,020 They've got the bills, all those other things. 1302 01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:21,000 How would you advise them to go about getting back into some sort of balance 1303 01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,000 with nature in that way? 1304 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:28,420 Well, apart from making the time to go and spend some time in nature, the other 1305 01:25:28,420 --> 01:25:30,860 alternative to that would be 1306 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:37,840 either listening to some music that can create that kind of space, because music 1307 01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:42,000 is very powerful for creating that kind of space, even if you're not in it. 1308 01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:49,760 And of course meditation too, where you just allow yourself a silence, a space 1309 01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:54,560 of stillness within you, and imagine you're in that environment. If you can't 1310 01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:58,760 physically get there, at least you can connect with it within your own mind. 1311 01:25:59,480 --> 01:26:04,580 Just to me, it's so, so important in terms of nurturing my well -being, which 1312 01:26:04,580 --> 01:26:05,580 really important. 1313 01:26:05,660 --> 01:26:12,200 I see that our well -being is one of the most fundamental states to be in 1314 01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,640 because when you're in your well -being, when you're feeling really good about 1315 01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,480 yourself particularly, that then mirrors itself in your reality. 1316 01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,640 And spreads outwards to others. 1317 01:26:21,900 --> 01:26:25,980 And it's like you increase your vibrations, if you like, when you're in 1318 01:26:25,980 --> 01:26:27,200 of feeling good about yourself. 1319 01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:28,500 And unfortunately, 1320 01:26:30,089 --> 01:26:34,010 most human beings don't feel good about themselves because of the amount of 1321 01:26:34,010 --> 01:26:38,810 conditioning, the fear programming that humanity has been subjected to for 1322 01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:43,810 thousands of years in variety of different forms and still going on. 1323 01:26:45,410 --> 01:26:52,190 When I'm talking to people in the context of the work that I'm doing, 1324 01:26:52,230 --> 01:26:56,170 working with guides, which is the psychic art side of things, 1325 01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:02,120 the main things that come through are not telling people you know what job 1326 01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:06,320 should have or where they should be going out with this girl or whatever 1327 01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:11,900 about practical tools that the individual can use that will empower 1328 01:27:11,900 --> 01:27:17,480 thus empowering them assisting them in being able to create realities that are 1329 01:27:17,480 --> 01:27:23,080 more desirable because there are some very simple understandings of processes 1330 01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,980 that you can utilize 1331 01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:31,180 where you can then start manifesting realities that are more, you know, of 1332 01:27:31,180 --> 01:27:33,560 choice, like co -creating your reality. 1333 01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:38,920 The interesting thing with that is, though I'm not one that necessarily 1334 01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:44,260 have scientific proof of things, I've always kept an eye on what has been 1335 01:27:44,260 --> 01:27:49,260 out of the scientific camp, particularly with the quantum physics thing. I 1336 01:27:49,260 --> 01:27:53,580 remember when there was a series of scientists who were... 1337 01:27:53,950 --> 01:27:59,430 discovered the quark, and it was a bit of an enigma to them, because when they 1338 01:27:59,430 --> 01:28:05,710 were trying to ascertain what it did, it did whatever they thought it would do. 1339 01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:10,390 And I'm thinking, in my very simplistic way, we're talking about one of the 1340 01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:16,990 building blocks of our physical universe being directly affected by thought, and 1341 01:28:16,990 --> 01:28:21,810 ancient esoteric teachings have always said, we create our own reality, and I'm 1342 01:28:21,810 --> 01:28:25,380 going, well, you know, Here they've actually discovered it. 1343 01:28:26,460 --> 01:28:31,300 I think you're right though from the very start in many respects. 1344 01:28:31,660 --> 01:28:36,540 The science is important in order to help balance certain things out and to 1345 01:28:36,540 --> 01:28:38,600 when certain things may or may not be right. 1346 01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,760 It's a work in progress anyway itself. 1347 01:28:41,460 --> 01:28:43,380 But the experience, the knowledge. 1348 01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:48,480 that these things are true you know that that there is a connection between us 1349 01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:52,800 all you have to certainly experience it a lot for yourself don't you well this 1350 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:57,800 would be very much you know the line that perhaps shaman or medicine men 1351 01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,680 take in in introducing 1352 01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:06,760 an individual into the understanding of other dimensional realities or what they 1353 01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:10,440 might call dream time or whatever, they would have to put them through an 1354 01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:14,060 experience because without them having gone through that experience it doesn't 1355 01:29:14,060 --> 01:29:15,060 mean anything. 1356 01:29:15,140 --> 01:29:18,900 You can't describe, there are certain things you cannot actually put into 1357 01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:23,980 Well I could sit here and talk to you all day about this fascinating stuff and 1358 01:29:23,980 --> 01:29:27,420 if anybody wants to know more about you and book you for lectures 1359 01:29:30,580 --> 01:29:33,640 You're doing a workshop on this kind of stuff, so that's great. If anybody wants 1360 01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,320 to do that, they go to nickashron .com. 1361 01:29:36,780 --> 01:29:41,780 And your books and your DVDs are available on the internet, on Amazon, 1362 01:29:41,780 --> 01:29:42,780 kind of places too. 1363 01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:49,900 I've also got an Elfin Spiral website, which is elfinspiral .com. E -L -F -I 1364 01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,220 spiral .com. 1365 01:29:51,660 --> 01:29:53,000 Nick, thank you very much. 1366 01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:56,120 for coming on. I do appreciate it. Thank you. I'm bringing your wisdom along. 1367 01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:57,400 Thank you. 1368 01:29:58,060 --> 01:30:04,020 Fascinating stuff about self -help that we're getting there from Nick, who now 1369 01:30:04,020 --> 01:30:06,300 has to swap, I'm afraid, for Brian. 1370 01:30:06,580 --> 01:30:12,140 We've got Brian Main coming on now, which is also about a lot of self -help 1371 01:30:12,140 --> 01:30:17,100 stuff, and it's probably solely about that stuff, actually. And I'm fascinated 1372 01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:20,300 by this character and by what he's done. 1373 01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,740 Brian made millions. 1374 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:24,360 and then lost it all. 1375 01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:29,680 He then went and made more money and millions with a nightclub and then lost 1376 01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:30,539 all again. 1377 01:30:30,540 --> 01:30:37,260 Brian, now you're a successful author, speaker, and 1378 01:30:37,260 --> 01:30:41,740 many other things. Do tell us all about this past and what it is that you do 1379 01:30:41,740 --> 01:30:43,120 now. What, from the very beginning? 1380 01:30:43,580 --> 01:30:46,980 From the... You tell us, whatever you feel happy telling me. 1381 01:30:47,860 --> 01:30:51,080 I was born into a travelling thumb fair family. 1382 01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:55,180 On both sides of my family and related to circus. On my mum's side to Smart 1383 01:30:55,180 --> 01:30:57,780 Circus and my dad's side to Chipperfield. Big names. 1384 01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:59,980 Yeah, both the main circus families. 1385 01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:05,600 And my family have been in the funfair business for generations. But the year I 1386 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,940 was born, my father decided to take a lease on an amusement arcade on the Isle 1387 01:31:09,940 --> 01:31:10,938 of Wight. 1388 01:31:10,940 --> 01:31:13,780 And so I grew up always having several different homes each year, one on the 1389 01:31:13,780 --> 01:31:17,560 Isle of Wight for the summer season, one's travelling around on the fares, so 1390 01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,620 kept touch with our route, and then a third home, which was our winter base, 1391 01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:22,340 just outside of Heathrow Airport. 1392 01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,520 And that continued right up until I was 18. 1393 01:31:25,780 --> 01:31:29,880 And like a lot of fairground people, I left school early. I left school at 13 1394 01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:30,880 with no qualifications. 1395 01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,060 I have dyslexia, so I found this. 1396 01:31:33,370 --> 01:31:39,390 reading particularly hard. There are a few enlightened 1397 01:31:39,390 --> 01:31:43,910 teachers that knew something was wrong and sent me for special classes and my 1398 01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:46,410 parents made a real effort sending me for private education. 1399 01:31:46,690 --> 01:31:50,730 I just couldn't seem to get the hang of it and once I left school I made no 1400 01:31:50,730 --> 01:31:53,870 effort to practice it and by the age of 18 I'd lost it. 1401 01:31:54,590 --> 01:31:57,690 At 18, my ability to read and write was so poor, I couldn't fill out a 1402 01:31:57,690 --> 01:31:58,690 checkbook. Really? 1403 01:31:58,790 --> 01:32:02,170 I couldn't spell words like 7 or 8 or 12. It was beyond me. I needed to get 1404 01:32:02,170 --> 01:32:04,850 somebody else to do that for me. And yet you became a millionaire. 1405 01:32:05,150 --> 01:32:07,390 Well, I went on to run the family business. 1406 01:32:07,730 --> 01:32:11,690 And my father could never read or write either, and I was desperately 1407 01:32:11,690 --> 01:32:14,730 embarrassed about not being able to read and write. But I had some good role 1408 01:32:14,730 --> 01:32:18,270 models who were doing well for themselves, even though they were 1409 01:32:18,270 --> 01:32:22,070 academically, my father being one. And by the time I was... 1410 01:32:22,590 --> 01:32:26,550 About 18, 19, he owned half a dozen different amusement arcades. 1411 01:32:26,970 --> 01:32:29,910 And one of them had a big empty space above it, which he didn't know what to 1412 01:32:29,910 --> 01:32:33,950 with. And so at 19, I had the bright idea of turning it into a disco. 1413 01:32:34,530 --> 01:32:37,870 And I've become, for a little while, the youngest licensee in the UK to hold a 1414 01:32:37,870 --> 01:32:38,910 liquor and entertainment license. 1415 01:32:40,190 --> 01:32:44,010 Opened up in 1981, which was the crest of the new Romantics wave. 1416 01:32:44,230 --> 01:32:46,350 Oh, yeah. I remember it well. 1417 01:32:46,570 --> 01:32:47,570 Oh, yeah. 1418 01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:50,030 Had a lot of fun, made a lot of money. 1419 01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:54,980 And then in the late 80s, early 90s, a lot of change came. Firstly, the 1420 01:32:54,980 --> 01:32:59,300 changed. It went from the disco scene in various guises into the rave scene. 1421 01:32:59,660 --> 01:33:02,800 We flew a flag for that. It was one of the first rave clubs on the South Coast. 1422 01:33:02,940 --> 01:33:06,240 Not really realizing the challenges that would bring us with the authorities. 1423 01:33:06,820 --> 01:33:11,800 The economy changed. We opened up a second place at a disastrous time just 1424 01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:14,760 before interest rates doubled and people spending power halved. 1425 01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:19,210 But the worst thing was me. I just made some really poor decisions and buried my 1426 01:33:19,210 --> 01:33:22,790 head in the sand and hoped it would all sort itself out and it didn't. And 1427 01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:27,110 around about age 29, I woke up one day and was forced to lift my head from the 1428 01:33:27,110 --> 01:33:28,110 sand and it was all gone. 1429 01:33:28,290 --> 01:33:32,110 Business was gone and savings were gone and possessions were gone and I ended up 1430 01:33:32,110 --> 01:33:33,110 a million pound in debt. 1431 01:33:34,010 --> 01:33:38,450 And I moved back into my old bedroom in my parents' house on charity and again 1432 01:33:38,450 --> 01:33:39,830 tried to hide from it all. 1433 01:33:40,770 --> 01:33:44,130 And then some friends come knocking on the door one day and basically said, 1434 01:33:44,130 --> 01:33:45,099 stock. 1435 01:33:45,100 --> 01:33:49,140 A million pounds of debt with nothing left to sell, no qualifications, no 1436 01:33:49,140 --> 01:33:52,320 work experience. You've always worked for your father. Nothing to put on a CV. 1437 01:33:52,420 --> 01:33:53,420 That's if you could put one together. 1438 01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,460 Because at age 29, you can't read and write properly. 1439 01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,840 We think you're ideally suited for a career in sales. 1440 01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:06,260 So I've become a salesperson for a little while and didn't really enjoy the 1441 01:34:06,260 --> 01:34:11,740 selling side, but it was a great blessing because I was introduced to 1442 01:34:11,740 --> 01:34:13,080 training, the philosophy. 1443 01:34:13,820 --> 01:34:14,840 of positive thinking. 1444 01:34:15,500 --> 01:34:20,340 That by altering the attitude or condition of your heart and mind, you 1445 01:34:20,340 --> 01:34:22,500 change the circumstances of your life. 1446 01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:27,480 And some very simple truths were shared with me. And I remember the trainer at 1447 01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:29,920 the front of the room saying, Brian, if you think that you can, you can. 1448 01:34:30,480 --> 01:34:34,160 And if you think that you can't, you can't. And I'd heard it before 1449 01:34:34,420 --> 01:34:37,800 I now know it's a paraphrase of something Henry Ford said over a hundred 1450 01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,760 ago. But it just washed past my mind in the past. 1451 01:34:41,630 --> 01:34:44,590 But this man put a little bit of science against it, and like Nick was saying, 1452 01:34:44,630 --> 01:34:46,410 sometimes it's good to have a little bit of science. 1453 01:34:47,470 --> 01:34:50,750 The right brain is connected to intuition, and my intuition was saying, 1454 01:34:50,750 --> 01:34:51,750 feels right. 1455 01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:56,410 My left brain, and the left brain is connected to ego and fear response, was 1456 01:34:56,410 --> 01:34:57,970 saying, yeah, but, yeah, but, yeah, but. 1457 01:34:58,710 --> 01:35:02,310 So a little bit of science helped me. You also did a timing thing as well, 1458 01:35:02,350 --> 01:35:03,350 hadn't you? 1459 01:35:03,470 --> 01:35:06,990 Yeah, the timing, I was looking for some answers. 1460 01:35:08,030 --> 01:35:10,130 I learned that when you think positively... 1461 01:35:10,730 --> 01:35:14,270 You trigger the release. You spark an electrical impulse in the heart of the 1462 01:35:14,270 --> 01:35:17,910 brain cell. It travels out on the brain cell arms, the dendrite arms, and it 1463 01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:21,290 triggers the release of a chemical called serotonin, the feel -good 1464 01:35:21,430 --> 01:35:25,810 that helps you make a connection between the brain cells. And by thinking 1465 01:35:25,810 --> 01:35:29,910 positively and forming these connections through the chemical release, you 1466 01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:34,130 activate the whole of your brain, the left side, which is primarily logical 1467 01:35:34,130 --> 01:35:38,190 analytical, and the right side, which is more spiritual, creative, intuitive. 1468 01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:42,360 By activating the whole of your brain, it helps you to find answers to 1469 01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:46,480 And I just become fascinated in that material, that work. 1470 01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:51,300 And I set goals and used positive thinking to overcome my dyslexia. It 1471 01:35:51,300 --> 01:35:52,960 about a year to teach myself to read well. 1472 01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:59,680 And I decided to honor the gift by only reading more information around the 1473 01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:04,820 brain, personal development, how we can develop our potential. 1474 01:36:05,690 --> 01:36:09,210 And that sort of led me then into psychology, philosophy, and 1475 01:36:09,450 --> 01:36:13,730 And everything that I learned that made sense, that felt right, I applied it. I 1476 01:36:13,730 --> 01:36:16,050 put it into practice. And little by little, life took off. 1477 01:36:16,450 --> 01:36:21,030 And a lot of people want to know how I was making the difference that I was 1478 01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:24,750 making to my life. And so I started sharing it with others, just because I 1479 01:36:24,750 --> 01:36:25,750 wanted to at first. 1480 01:36:26,210 --> 01:36:29,470 And then gradually, I started running seminars and workshops. 1481 01:36:29,850 --> 01:36:33,230 And that's been my life for about the last 14 years now. 1482 01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,980 For those who have stepped forth into the enigmatic and complicated world of 1483 01:36:49,980 --> 01:36:53,320 research, they know that it is rife with division. 1484 01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:05,040 But here, just like religion, we have another reason for the numerous splits, 1485 01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:08,900 the enigma really comes down to the individual human experience. 1486 01:37:13,420 --> 01:37:17,080 There are many who have claimed that they have been visited by aliens or 1487 01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:18,080 from other dimensions. 1488 01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:23,420 The vast majority, like people who see ghosts and apparitions, believe in the 1489 01:37:23,420 --> 01:37:26,680 data from experiences they encountered with their very own eyes. 1490 01:37:33,460 --> 01:37:39,200 The unconscious mind remains a mystery because we are simply not conscious of 1491 01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:44,350 it. We must imagine what it is like inside this huge domain on the other 1492 01:37:44,350 --> 01:37:45,410 our daily realities. 1493 01:37:49,890 --> 01:37:54,090 Occasionally, people recall their encounters in this strange world in 1494 01:37:54,250 --> 01:37:59,850 and more interestingly, lucid dreams, whereby we become conscious of elements 1495 01:37:59,850 --> 01:38:02,510 our unconscious world and even interact with them. 1496 01:38:17,710 --> 01:38:22,370 If we remain neutral, then we avoid excluding any possibilities that have 1497 01:38:22,370 --> 01:38:24,850 emerge in our conscious and unconscious minds. 1498 01:38:25,210 --> 01:38:30,210 We avoid putting ourselves into any framed paradigm as in the case of 1499 01:38:30,210 --> 01:38:31,169 and logic. 1500 01:38:31,170 --> 01:38:36,170 Perhaps we need to abandon any previous notions or ideas about this phenomenon 1501 01:38:36,170 --> 01:38:39,070 to gain headway into the unknown. 1502 01:38:43,130 --> 01:38:45,370 What are the UFOs? 1503 01:38:48,620 --> 01:38:50,220 Are they emanating from ourselves? 1504 01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:55,380 Are they here only because we have the capacity to perceive them? 1505 01:38:56,020 --> 01:39:00,120 Perhaps they are ancient archetypes that we have forgotten within the sands of 1506 01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:01,120 time. 1507 01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:06,680 Whatever they are, they are very real to the experiencer. They are real to 1508 01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:11,340 countless thousands who encounter them more and more each year as the sightings 1509 01:39:11,340 --> 01:39:12,400 continue to multiply. 1510 01:39:13,020 --> 01:39:15,040 What are they trying to tell us? 1511 01:39:49,930 --> 01:39:54,170 If we can understand the UFOs, perhaps we can better understand ourselves. 1512 01:40:20,170 --> 01:40:24,070 Fox Mulder is free of the demands placed upon him by government. 1513 01:40:26,590 --> 01:40:31,750 What are his opinions on ancient astronauts, black technology, and the 1514 01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:37,930 psychology of belief in UFOs? And last, but not least, aliens. 1515 01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:27,440 At the end of the 20th century, many predicted the advent of doom, or the 1516 01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:28,438 of Christ. 1517 01:41:28,440 --> 01:41:34,260 The 16th century French prophet Nostradamus had spoken of the solar 1518 01:41:34,260 --> 01:41:36,060 August 11, 1999. 1519 01:41:37,100 --> 01:41:39,980 Could this astronomical phenomena be a sign? 1520 01:41:40,180 --> 01:41:42,240 Could it be the end of an era? 1521 01:41:42,860 --> 01:41:49,200 It soon became clear that September 11, 2001 has changed our world much more 1522 01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:51,320 than August 11, 1999. 1523 01:41:56,820 --> 01:42:02,740 But in recent years, the new end date, our meeting with destiny itself, has 1524 01:42:02,740 --> 01:42:05,500 moved to December 21, 2012. 1525 01:42:07,380 --> 01:42:10,980 What events are predicted to occur during this time? 1526 01:42:16,750 --> 01:42:21,770 Climate change, unprecedented hurricanes, and the most violent 1527 01:42:21,770 --> 01:42:24,550 experienced dominate the news regularly. 1528 01:42:26,250 --> 01:42:30,990 With so many false alarms, is time finally running out? 1529 01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:38,450 Though climate change might be man -made, hurricanes and definitely 1530 01:42:38,450 --> 01:42:40,130 are clearly out of our hands. 1531 01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:42,010 So what is causing this? 1532 01:42:42,230 --> 01:42:43,990 Some look towards the sun. 1533 01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:48,630 Some scientists even hold the sun responsible for the climate change, 1534 01:42:48,630 --> 01:42:53,330 that the global warming is not just happening on this planet, but all 1535 01:42:53,330 --> 01:42:54,330 the solar system. 1536 01:42:56,450 --> 01:43:03,230 Unlike 1999, December 21, 2012 is indeed the end of something. The Long 1537 01:43:03,230 --> 01:43:07,770 Count Calendar, a calendar system used by the Mayan civilization of Central 1538 01:43:07,770 --> 01:43:08,770 America. 1539 01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:14,740 On that day, the 13th Bakhtun cycle will be completed. 1540 01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:21,880 Some Mayan and other Mesoamerican groups, such as the Aztecs, say we live 1541 01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:22,880 5th age. 1542 01:43:23,060 --> 01:43:28,540 The next age to be born in 2012 will be therefore that of the 6th sun. 1543 01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:35,160 Our age started on August 11, 3114 B .C. 1544 01:43:36,810 --> 01:43:41,250 But as it is known, that time did not mark the beginning of the world. 1545 01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:45,290 Why should we consider 2012 to be the end of the world? 1546 01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:47,870 Or is it the birth of a new world? 1547 01:44:09,070 --> 01:44:15,470 Over the past 5 ,000 years, civilizations were born and 1548 01:44:15,470 --> 01:44:16,470 destroyed. 1549 01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:22,510 On the other side of the world were a people who held a calendar that had 1550 01:44:22,510 --> 01:44:27,090 that were five millennia long and that new astronomical knowledge we have only 1551 01:44:27,090 --> 01:44:30,750 recently been able to confirm as scientifically real. 1552 01:44:32,410 --> 01:44:35,670 So on December 21st, 2012, 1553 01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:40,540 In the region where the sun is aligning with the heart of the Milky Way, known 1554 01:44:40,540 --> 01:44:45,860 as the galactic center, we will encounter a feature known as the dark 1555 01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:52,680 In the Mayan creation mythology, this is called the Zibalba Bay, the road to the 1556 01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:53,680 underworld. 1557 01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:40,600 I mean, we've got a situation today in this country where the mainstream media 1558 01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:42,320 is just not getting the truth across. 1559 01:45:43,660 --> 01:45:47,860 I'd say I'm awake, and I think you're awake too. Being awake is like knowing 1560 01:45:47,860 --> 01:45:49,840 that this is an illusion, you know? 1561 01:45:54,860 --> 01:45:57,920 George Bush himself came out and said that there was a spy network operating 1562 01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:00,920 inside the United States that was linked with the events of 9 -11. 1563 01:46:02,730 --> 01:46:06,350 People need to understand that there is a war, but it's not a war on terror, 1564 01:46:06,490 --> 01:46:07,490 it's a war of terror. 1565 01:46:07,610 --> 01:46:08,690 And it's against us. 1566 01:46:09,470 --> 01:46:12,790 It's against the people of the world, the ordinary people of the world. 1567 01:46:13,990 --> 01:46:17,030 This is what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler Youth. 1568 01:46:18,770 --> 01:46:25,770 What they're actually doing is reframing people to follow their set of values. 1569 01:46:27,170 --> 01:46:30,230 What is actually happening is we are losing our freedoms, we are losing our 1570 01:46:30,230 --> 01:46:31,670 right to free movement. 1571 01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:35,400 to remain anonymous in front of our governments, to all the things that are 1572 01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:36,720 considered basic freedoms historically. 1573 01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:42,320 And it all stems from 9 -11. There is a war and we are its victims. And people 1574 01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:43,320 need to understand that. 1575 01:46:44,420 --> 01:46:49,620 I look at the papers or I look at the news and I know that it's not quite what 1576 01:46:49,620 --> 01:46:51,140 it seems. There's more to it. 1577 01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:59,060 They are looking for a... 1578 01:46:59,660 --> 01:47:05,120 New society with a new form of government, the post -democratic era. 1579 01:47:05,380 --> 01:47:09,860 As an ex -military person, we are heading towards a vicious police state. 1580 01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:18,860 You speak out about what's actually happening, fraud, corruption, bullying, 1581 01:47:18,860 --> 01:47:23,960 get victimised. And we need to do something to stop the slide into a 1582 01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:28,680 state. I believe the whole of our society is under an attack. 1583 01:47:35,950 --> 01:47:39,270 be in a way just by knowing that this is an illusion, you know? 1584 01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:25,180 contact has been established. 1585 01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:38,660 UFOs or some of them began to attack our aircraft. 1586 01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:51,820 I believe it's a conflict situation which continues to this day to some 1587 01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,620 That's not to say they're all hostile by any means. 1588 01:49:03,480 --> 01:49:06,280 People have been abducted. That's the bottom line. 1589 01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,720 Probably tens of thousands of people. 1590 01:49:17,900 --> 01:49:22,500 We found alien life and here it is. The problem is, but we've been lying to you 1591 01:49:22,500 --> 01:49:27,060 about it for 60 years by previously denying it. So that's a constitutional 1592 01:49:27,060 --> 01:49:28,060 problem. 1593 01:49:31,380 --> 01:49:36,200 I would say I'd had about four encounters with aliens in my life, but 1594 01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:37,940 emergency situation was declared. 1595 01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:47,220 John Kennedy requested the... 1596 01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:52,360 observation of actual alien bodies, which he had learned had been recovered 1597 01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:53,360 the military. 1598 01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:55,740 And his wish was granted. 1599 01:50:00,980 --> 01:50:02,780 It was a top secret mission. 1600 01:50:03,300 --> 01:50:08,240 Kennedy saw the bodies. He was taken to Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, and 1601 01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:12,760 the bodies were located at a special medical facility at that site. 1602 01:50:20,590 --> 01:50:25,150 You need very, very high security currencies to get anywhere near these 1603 01:50:25,150 --> 01:50:27,930 programs, which include an alien liaison program. 1604 01:50:28,290 --> 01:50:30,590 Contact has been established. 1605 01:50:32,170 --> 01:50:34,850 We found alien life and here it is. 1606 01:51:25,580 --> 01:51:28,960 I'm going beyond the ancient Egyptian civilization. 1607 01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:34,660 And everything is changing now because the evidence is coming out strong, hard, 1608 01:51:34,860 --> 01:51:36,700 solid stone evidence. 1609 01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:41,700 And in a place where we didn't expect it at all, where I wasn't looking at all. 1610 01:51:45,100 --> 01:51:48,120 The centipede of this is a stone serpent. 1611 01:51:48,860 --> 01:51:51,840 We call it the stone henry of the devil. 1612 01:51:53,710 --> 01:51:56,930 You know, we're realizing that there was a prehistoric culture all over the 1613 01:51:56,930 --> 01:51:57,930 place. 1614 01:51:58,570 --> 01:52:00,350 Megalithic prehistoric culture. 1615 01:52:03,470 --> 01:52:08,050 They were integrated with the machinery of the cycles of nature. 1616 01:52:11,810 --> 01:52:16,950 They survived for 3 ,000 years until we brought our own man -made religion, 1617 01:52:17,090 --> 01:52:19,950 which didn't make sense at all, and look what happened to Egypt, you know? 1618 01:52:24,910 --> 01:52:29,270 We're bankrupt compared to these people who are spending thousands of years 1619 01:52:29,270 --> 01:52:33,630 studying and looking and trying to make sense of it from a spiritual point of 1620 01:52:33,630 --> 01:52:34,549 view. 1621 01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:36,110 This is what is wrong. 1622 01:52:36,590 --> 01:52:42,930 And we need to realize that we are creatures that are essentially 1623 01:52:43,710 --> 01:52:45,770 I don't care what scientists want to say. 1624 01:52:46,230 --> 01:52:49,430 If you're uncomfortable with that, well, that's too bad, because that's what we 1625 01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:52,010 are. And we need to wake up again. 1626 01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:34,640 Roslyn Chapel was built upon an area that was a noted place of healing from 1627 01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:35,640 word go. 1628 01:53:39,020 --> 01:53:45,580 I can tell you that when I first went there in the early 1990s that the 1629 01:53:45,580 --> 01:53:50,240 impression that I had when I walked through the door was of immense latent 1630 01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:51,240 power. 1631 01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:59,400 It's a nexus of earth energy and as I found out through hard experimentation, 1632 01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:04,220 there is an operable portal between this world and the next inside that chapel. 1633 01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:11,520 It wasn't just another building. It was a powerhouse of spirit. It was a 1634 01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:12,520 powerful place. 1635 01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:17,940 And I think the chapel was built in such proportions that it would take and 1636 01:54:17,940 --> 01:54:22,380 harmonize that energy. I think it would amplify. It was acting almost as an 1637 01:54:22,380 --> 01:54:23,920 amplifier, a stone -built amplifier. 1638 01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:32,600 The chapel is actually moving in time, not in this time, but 0 .1 % in another 1639 01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:33,600 time. 1640 01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:48,240 I was asked would I like to experience this energy. 1641 01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:51,840 I literally came off the floor. 1642 01:54:52,140 --> 01:54:55,820 It wasn't feet off the floor, maybe half an inch I actually lifted from the 1643 01:54:55,820 --> 01:54:56,820 floor, fell forward. 1644 01:54:59,260 --> 01:55:02,920 I was absolutely amazed, completely astounded, I hadn't a clue what had 1645 01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:03,920 happened. 1646 01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:09,060 You could see the faces on the other side, they wanted to be brought through 1647 01:55:09,060 --> 01:55:10,840 this side, this side of reality. 1648 01:55:16,500 --> 01:55:22,600 The purpose of the augmented force was to induce a feeling of an easiness or 1649 01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:27,840 instability in the listener and if you like introduce the devil into music. 1650 01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:35,260 That augmented force was inducing some of them to experience altered states of 1651 01:55:35,260 --> 01:55:36,260 consciousness. 1652 01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:49,360 Why would Sir William go to all the trouble of introducing this devil's 1653 01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:40,740 the wilderness road they come behind them the struggles of the Revolutionary 1654 01:56:40,740 --> 01:56:47,240 before them the conquest of a wilderness the journey is long and 1655 01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:53,520 arduous but it leads to a land of promise day after day the party follows 1656 01:56:53,520 --> 01:57:00,300 unfamiliar trail Bigfoot also known in North America as the 1657 01:57:00,300 --> 01:57:02,040 Sasquatch or the Oma 1658 01:57:02,860 --> 01:57:05,480 Was the Sasquatch here before the Indians? 1659 01:57:09,100 --> 01:57:14,060 Thousands of Indian locations are named after the boss of the mountain, or the 1660 01:57:14,060 --> 01:57:18,240 wild man, as the Bigfoot was originally called by the Amerindians. 1661 01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:23,340 Indian cultures generally regard the wild man with the greatest respect. 1662 01:57:23,780 --> 01:57:28,860 He is viewed as a special kind of being, perhaps because of his seemingly close 1663 01:57:28,860 --> 01:57:30,320 relationship to humans. 1664 01:57:31,070 --> 01:57:36,210 Many Indian elders regard him as standing on the border between animal 1665 01:57:36,210 --> 01:57:39,890 consciousness, giving him a supernatural kind of power. 1666 01:57:41,270 --> 01:57:46,350 But as special as he may be, there is no tribe that suggests that he is anything 1667 01:57:46,350 --> 01:57:51,430 other than a physical being, living in the same physical dimensions as humans 1668 01:57:51,430 --> 01:57:52,430 and other animals. 1669 01:57:52,910 --> 01:57:58,790 He eats, he sleeps, gathers and communicates with family members. 1670 01:58:06,990 --> 01:58:11,590 It seems that the wild man may indeed be of a varied and widespread clan, 1671 01:58:11,730 --> 01:58:13,810 encompassing every continent of the world. 1672 01:58:14,030 --> 01:58:20,070 They all have one very distinct trait in common, an exceptionally big human 1673 01:58:20,070 --> 01:58:21,070 -like foot. 1674 01:58:35,340 --> 01:58:40,360 Our search for this film brings us to the great state of Kentucky, the 1675 01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:43,100 state and the home of the Kentucky Derby. 1676 01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:49,260 Throughout the last 100 years, there have been many wild man sightings in 1677 01:58:49,260 --> 01:58:50,260 Kentucky. 1678 01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:22,880 The light from the road, the blue light. 1679 01:59:25,940 --> 01:59:30,960 It's getting brighter and brighter and brighter. 1680 01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:43,860 Dude, look through here. 1681 01:59:44,100 --> 01:59:46,240 Look through there right now. What is it? 1682 01:59:47,850 --> 01:59:50,130 You can't see it, but the camera picks it up. 1683 01:59:51,190 --> 01:59:53,230 Holy shit. Let me see. Look at that. 1684 01:59:53,950 --> 01:59:54,950 Look at that. 1685 01:59:54,990 --> 01:59:55,990 What is that? 1686 01:59:56,050 --> 01:59:57,050 I don't know. 1687 01:59:57,410 --> 01:59:58,409 Oh, here. 1688 01:59:58,410 --> 01:59:59,410 Back up. Look at that. 1689 01:59:59,650 --> 02:00:01,110 Whoa. I'm going to walk over there. 1690 02:00:01,410 --> 02:00:02,530 Can you zoom in on it? 1691 02:00:04,390 --> 02:00:05,430 Let's go up there. Come on. 1692 02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:40,400 There is a darkness upon the land. 1693 02:00:41,260 --> 02:00:43,940 It is a time of oppression. 1694 02:00:44,840 --> 02:00:47,700 The people are under a new rule. 1695 02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,140 The Normans have come. 1696 02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:58,280 They have brought with them a new way of life, a new language, and the old ways 1697 02:00:58,280 --> 02:01:01,540 are being lost in the mists of time. 1698 02:01:02,620 --> 02:01:05,320 But some tales have survived. 1699 02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:08,460 The people remember. 1700 02:01:09,200 --> 02:01:14,200 A great hero comes to them from the dark woods. 1701 02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:18,580 He is the hooded man. 1702 02:02:15,690 --> 02:02:18,230 His legend has lived on to this very day. 1703 02:02:18,950 --> 02:02:23,210 His memory still shines bright like the May Day sun. 1704 02:02:24,170 --> 02:02:26,330 If only we could remember. 153143

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