All language subtitles for The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City – S5E17

Tonight, the explosive three -part Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion

begins.

Crystal8824 on Twitter said, Mary, can
you please explain how a tampon keeps

from having to pee?

Andy, you should try it.

Well, I kind of thought you were going
to wear the necklace for the reunion. I

thought about it because I thought that
would clear up a lot of questions.

I'm friends with Emma, and she said that
nothing was purchased.

I liked you better when you were a
backup dancer with Monica in Jen Shah's

video.

You asserting. Ronald had a miscarriage.
Watch your tone. Okay, all right. Okay,

okay. Angie just called my wife a bitch
twice.

Bitch, bitch.

I wouldn't even say it's an emotional
affair.

So he didn't do it or he did do it?

You're the side chick in Ohio.

I'm getting angry.

This is a load of shit.

I'm sorry you don't like me. I have
enough going on in my life. I don't need

take another Rick.

Can I speak without you yelling?

I want to burn this with Lisa.

Do you want me to read you what Jared
sent me? This is the way that the man

you're in love with talks to women. No,
no, no. I'd like to hear it. Okay. You

little bitch. I guarantee I am twice the
size of any man you've ever been with.

But you say mean stuff about Angie's
face on Twitter. Oh, good. She's piping

Me. You guys have me over so many times.

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City
reunion starts now.

Hola, Andy.

Hey, baby G. Beautiful.

Thank you. It's a pretty set.

Hey, other guy.

Hi, Andy. Hi.

Hey,

you look great.

Thank you.

Hi, Lisa. Hey.

Hey, Bronwyn.

Hi.

Hi. Do you need help arranging this? I'm
going to make sure there's room for

everybody. I'll figure it out.

Okay. I am not going to be able to see
over your sleeve.

Thank you.

Sit right next to Bronwyn.

Oh, beautiful.

We're back at Bezos. Back to Bezos.

From bench warming bench to... Yeah, how
about that?

Wow, you look great, Meredith.

Worth the wait. Hi, everybody.

And if I have all mics here, five
seconds.

Four, three, two, one, go.

Hey everybody, welcome to the Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City Season 5

Reunion. I'm Andy Cohen, joined by a
group of Utah Phoenixes rising from the

ashes of an explosive finale.

And to avoid a repeat of Mexico, I want
to point out up top, we are recording

you all.

Right now. Just in case there was any
confusion.

Hey, Meredith.

Hi. Congratulations on being a bat
mitzvah. Thank you. You are the first

mitzvah that I've seen arrive on a
sleigh.

Me too.

Yes. Heather, congratulations on the new
book. Thank you. It's called Good Time

Girl. Are you giving Lisa a cut for
giving...

It's a good time, girl voice. I've been
on a book tour all week. Okay. All

right. How was your flight, by the way,
Lisa? I'm assuming you didn't fly in

17C. There was no coach, but I am tagged
in pictures every single day of people

either in 17C or in first class.

Okay. Hi, Whitney.

Love your bling today. Are you wearing
Prism jewelry?

I am wearing Prism. This is from my new
collection, Fingered Cross.

Beautiful. Bronwyn, welcome to your
first reunion.

Hi. You're as understated as ever. I
mean, did you expect any different?

No, I didn't. I didn't. I hear that
Rihanna started following you and DM'd

on Instagram. Did she give you any
advice for today?

I'm going to channel Rihanna today.
Really? Oh, okay.

Hey, Mary M. Cosby. Hi, Andy.

Boy, it's a whole new Mary M.

ziplining her way through the season.

Unbelievable. I'm here. You are here.
I'm clocked in. We were all so touched

seeing your powerful journey with Robert
Jr., which we'll get into in a bit. But

how is he doing?

Robert's doing good.

Good. He's doing good. Good. Thank God.

Hey, Angie Kay.

Hi, how are you? I'm great. How are you?
I'm good. I hear.

Through the grapevine, that you and
Brittany showed up in the same dress

tonight. Can you believe it? So, I guess
you won the battle of the dress. I

guess I did, but I'm going to be good
for the economy because I keep my

and don't return them.

So, yeah.

Okay. Now, Lisa and Angie, I'm between
you, so I'm a little worried for my

first of all. And then I think the other
thing is, both of you, I have a hard

time getting your attention sometimes.

And I'm wondering, is there a safe word
that we could come up with that would

help just snap you back?

Besos. Besos.

All right.

OK,

very good.

I'm wondering if anyone in the group
would like to set an intention for the

Is anyone coming into this wanting to
specifically clear

up a relationship or if you have a goal
in mind that I can help you bring across

the finish line? Yeah, I mean, watch.
Obviously, it's my first season. I'm

watching things back. I have a lot of
things I would.

I know more now than I did when we
filmed. So there's a lot of things I'm

willing to start with my own apologies
today and hopefully get them. That's

great.

Anyone else?

I would love to be able to have
conversation with Lisa. I'd like to get

bottom and the root of where the
problems lie.

And I would love to be able to get a
word in. So I'd love to have a

with you.

Okay. We're going to get there.

All right.

What do Lisa and Angie's parenting?

A podcast interview with Whitney and
Heather's loyalty all have in common?

all caused epic drama that ricocheted
through the mountains of Salt Lake City,

unleashing an avalanche of chaos which
threatened to bury old friendships and

new connections alike. Take a look.

Whitney did this podcast.

She's like, Lisa's the new villain.

Did you tell Whitney about our
conversation that you had with me and

You have both vented me. You've said
plenty and she said plenty. It's not

who says plenty. It's about you
repeating what I said. You don't like

not just doing whatever you want me to
do. Call Electra. Wait, isn't that what

you do? Hold on. It's Electra. If I hang
up, it's because I'm a responsible

mother. Raise attention to my child.

My daughter does need me. She needs a
present mother. Like, I don't let her

in game until 2 in the morning.

She said, you know, like, my daughter
needs me, like she's just not in the

playing video games. That's a low blow.

They're saying Whitney is using designs
off of Alibaba and selling them at like

10, 20 times the price and using the
same stock photos.

Like somebody's out to get Whitney. I
said, does this person have a clicker

brand?

And they said yes.

What's the problem?

I did not do that. I did not do that,
Whitney. It's not true. It's not true.

I didn't do it to you!

Hey, Sean, I need an investigation
opened on being accused of doing

did not do. And I want to go the
distance on it. The distance.

Okay. I want to see if we can get
through this. Okay. And I would like to

we could hear each other.

And I would like to see if we could...

Breakthrough. Okay.

Cheyenne from Windsor, Connecticut said,
Whitney, how do you explain Alibaba

having the same stock photos as Prism's
website?

That photo was there for about 48 hours
as a placeholder that was sent from our

vendor. It's not Alibaba. We always do a
photo suit. We hadn't had a chance. My

partner is in Vancouver.

She was doing the photo suit in
Vancouver. That photo was there as a

for a short period of time, and it was
swapped out once we had a model for it.

I do not source from Alibaba. I have a
curated fashion affordable line.

Our biggest complaint was that people
want to buy my jewelry, but they can't

afford it. So I curated fashion pieces
that we tie in like an intention to it

when you receive the box.

We have our custom designs that we do. I
would not tattoo something from

Alibaba. I get what you're talking
about.

Carol from Milburn, New Jersey said,
Lisa, you told your cybersecurity team

go the distance on this. What evidence
were they able to find that proves you

were not involved in planning the story?
I lost my mind when she accused me of

doing something I didn't do. And I feel
like she had told other people, which we

have proof of.

The same situation.

Did they find evidence?

Listen, so I... Did they find evidence?
Yes or no? I told her, I go, show me the

proof, get me the proof. She kept saying
she had proof. You said, I have proof,

I have proof, I have proof. So I'm like,
good, let's get Sean involved. I'm

like, give me the IP addresses,
everything. Sean can work with local

find out exactly where she's coming
from. And? She never gave me proof. She

didn't have any because I didn't do it.
You know who it is. You have his phone

number. I don't have anybody's phone
number.

Your bestie does, so she could give you
that. No, you have his phone number. You

talk to him on the regular. So no
evidence was found. I should send you

bill.

Monique from Boulder said, Angie,
Heather betrayed your trust when she

your video game comment.

Why do you think Heather prioritizes her
friendship with Lisa over her

friendship with you?

Did that make you question your
friendship with Heather?

You know, I know Heather loves me. She's
championed me. But that did make me at

the time question where I stood with
her. And Heather twisted my words. And I

didn't appreciate that. I didn't ever
say she's a bad mom.

I said Angie says something like you're
a bad mom or something. It is a bad mom.

There's a shift in Angie's loyalty and
affection for Lisa. And I've never seen

her go low like that. And he was low.
I've never seen it. With electronics. So

you made it worse when you took it to
her. You made it worse. I never even

thought about it. I know it hurt you. It
hurt you. It totally hurt me. And then

you felt differently about me. No,
because we were friends.

That's like me being a good friend to
her.

I'm going to let it slide.

Everybody's talking at once. She needs a
mute button.

It has to be a back and forth.

I know, but they were talking and I'm
like, hey, just so you know, I gave you

pass. I just literally gave you a pass.
I talked to you all the time on the

phone and I was like, that's a... I did
tell Bronwyn, but I also said, I'm going

to address it with Angie. I don't want
anyone going to Angie with this.

Like, that was a big deal. I said that
to you. I said, I can handle it with

Angie. I don't need to bring it up to
anyone. She should know if you're upset

with her.

Bronwyn, Bronwyn, do you want to be
involved?

Oh, good. She's piping up.

If you want to get big with me, let's
get big. Lisa, I can play, too. Let's

I make mistakes, you made a mistake.

Bronwyn, do you want to be involved? Oh
good, she's piping up!

If you want to get big with me, let's
get big. Lisa, I can play too. Let's go.

I don't, but whatever.

I sat down in Bezos. You were furious
with Angie for repeating a conversation

Whitney, yet you have repeated a
conversation. You've repeated that

to me. What is the standard here?

Conversations are repeatable when it's
that couch.

Well, I asked you not to repeat it to
Angie. You said I'm really upset.

And I said, I'll handle it with Angie. I
can speak for myself.

I guess Angie's upset and like made a
dig at how like I'm a bad mom,

Like, I really want to address this with
Angie. And I was really upset.

Because she is really hurt by this. And
if you said this, you should be prepared

to apologize is what I said to Angie.
Angie, I know you and I know your

relationship with Lisa. And it felt like
a shift.

And I was kind of trying to navigate,
like, this new loyalty and deep, like,

appreciation I had for Lisa. I felt
that. Which is new and fresh.

Lisa and Angie, where do you two stand
today?

You know. It seemed like you got back on
track and then.

We did at the aquarium.

I'm sorry.

I don't want anyone else to come between
us. Me either.

Yeah. And if you've seen the finale, we
then kind of things blew up. I kind of.

wanted to wait till i was here to have
this conversation because you know i

think sometimes when things are done by
text or on phone then everyone has a

different claim to what happened or a
different perception so you said on your

phone via twitter that lisa has a park
city mystery man who pays for her lip

filler i fired back because meredith
started posting that i was a backup

to jen shaw which i still like want to
understand why you said that She's in

jail and I'm sitting here. I was asked
about how I reacted to the scroll and I

answered.

It was an interview. And why do you
think I'm a backup dancer? No, no, no. I

know what the question is. I know what
it was. Lisa, you're inserting yourself.

No, no, no. Hold on, because I want to
go here, but I want to start here.

I'm trying to help. You did a WAP video
with Jen and Monica, and you and Monica

were backup dancers.

You started it with your interview.

They asked me a question about what my
reaction to your scroll was, and I

said... You said I should go back to
being a backup dancer.

Well, I said I liked you better when you
were a backup dancer with Monica and

Jen Shah's WAP video. And let me be
clear, I've been solo since I was six

old, and I'm nobody's backup dancer,
okay? Oh, this is the problem, is that

were a backup dancer in a video and I
said it? I was not a backup dancer.

In Jen's video? I don't even know how to
dance. Was I dancing?

In Jen's video, you were not a backup
dancer.

Does Jen have a music video?

One that day, we made a fun, like, girls
video. Like a TikTok video? Yeah, it

was a TikTok. Okay, but then, so why are
you offended by that? She called me a

backup dancer. You were trying to jab
me, and it was rude.

It's a fact, Angie. It's been all over
the Internet.

What are you talking about? I'm nobody's
backup dancer, hon. You were a backup

dancer in her walk video.

Okay, but this is where the train
started.

I responded, and I just said something
funny of like, yeah, Greeks are great

dancers. That's how I danced my way to
the center. Okay.

Okay, great. All right. Lisa pipes in
and says Mazel Tov. I said Mazel Tov

because I'm also Jewish, and she said
the only scroll I read is the Torah.

Angie, Angie, I am dead serious. She
said the only scroll I read is the

and I thought that was amazing, and I
said Mazel Tov. You didn't see that she

was responding to me because you're not
on Twitter, and you don't know what's

going on. Lisa, you're the queen of
Twitter. You also said on Twitter that

Lisa's G -Wagon was repossessed. I mean,
I don't even know why you'd say that,

and there's a new 2025 Porsche sitting
right next to it, and then there's a new

9. 11 coming. I don't know why my G
wagon would ever get repossessed. Why

you know about her car being repoed? I
heard it at dinner. You heard it at

dinner? Yeah. Okay. Well, you told me
that Bronwyn told you that her G wagon

repossessed.

That's where I heard it at dinner. Why
would you say that? You and I were not

a good place, and somebody sent me a
snarky message. And I said, jokingly to

Angie, somebody sent this to me. I wish
people wouldn't send me this kind of

messy stuff. And I probably should not
have repeated it to her, but I am not

one who tweeted it to the world. Your
beef is with Angie in this regard.

Okay. Well, by the way, speaking of
money, talk to me about one of the most

lavish gifts we've ever seen on the
house rise, that $4 million necklace.

I kind of thought you were going to wear
the necklace to the reunion.

I thought about it because I thought
that would clear up a lot of questions.

What questions?

Uh, whether or not I have it and can
wear it. Right. That was clear that

up. Yeah.

Why are there questions about whether
you have a lot of people tweeted me,

me, message me like questioning what,
like it was rented or what? No. So I

to their vault and picked out a few
pieces and they brought stuff to me and

ended up with, you didn't see the
earrings, but I, not the studs, but I

with a pair of hoop earrings and then
they made me a smaller version of that

necklace that I tried on that day. Yeah.

I don't get it. Yeah.

You don't get what?

I mean, I don't. So why were there
questions?

I think because people felt like, why
would Todd buy such an expensive

Why would we do it on camera? That kind
of a thing. Oh.

Emma said you didn't buy it.

I'm friends with Emma, and she said you
guys didn't buy it, or the hoop

earrings, or the rings, or the necklace.
Yeah, she said that nothing was

purchased.

I'm friends with Emma, and she said you
guys didn't buy it, or the hoop

earrings, or the rings, or the necklace.
Yeah, she said that nothing was

purchased.

And Emma and I will have to take that up
with each other. It's very weird a

jeweler would tell someone else what I
did or didn't buy. Why did you ask?

I didn't ask.

Oh, she reached out to you to tell you
what my husband purchased for me? Yeah,

she said you didn't purchase the things.
Please, she did not call you.

That seems weird. How would I know that
she was working with Emma? That's really

unprofessional of her to do that. I'm
just saying, that's what Emma said. I

don't think she would. I would never
shop with her. Yeah. That's what she

Bad business.

She said nothing was purchased and
you've never purchased anything from

setting the record straight, you didn't
get the $4 million.

You got a lesser, a smaller carrot. Yes.

Diamond necklace from them as well as
earrings. But why would this owner reach

out to you to tell you that Bronwyn
didn't buy anything? Emma's not the

the jewelry. Emma's not the owner. She
works there and she loans Bronwyn

jewelry. She's not ever loaned me
jewelry.

So she called you to say hi, Bronwyn
didn't buy anything? No, she just texted

out of the blue and she said, why does
Bronwyn keep saying they bought the

necklace? They never bought the
necklace.

She texted you out of the blue? Do you
know her?

I haven't talked to her in like probably
two years, but yeah, I know her. Can

you show us your text? That seems weird.

But she shouldn't be saying that. She
sent more than just that, too.

Oh, now she wants to show more things
like that. Okay. Yeah.

The jeweler is saying the hoop that you
had on

were hoops that you told them that you
were sending us a wire for.

You never sent and returned the hoop.

I returned them. You said Todd didn't
like them.

This is really dastardly of her. They
were in plastic or something. Why would

she be messaging you that's out of the
blue if you don't know her? I do know

her. I do know her. I knew her way
before you. You met her at my special

Why would she message this? Yeah, and
she was frustrated with you. So

disgusting. She's frustrated with me.
Yeah, she said she was frustrated with

you. Well, the next time I see you, I'll
be sure to wear both of them.

Yeah, please do. That's disgusting.

I don't know that we'll see each other
anytime soon, but that's disgusting.

Did you read it?

It's, I mean...

Hold on.

It's not great.

What does it say?

She feels a little burned by you.

She feels burned by me.

Yeah. And why does she feel like that's
between you and her?

I'm not going to bring you into it.
Don't bring me into it. You can address

but she said that.

I guess I'll have to, like you went home
and posted the fashion show receipts,

I'll have to go home and post my
jewelry.

Yep. All right, I want to move on.

New housewife Bronwyn Newport may as
well have walked into this group on a

runway, rocking the same heart -shaped
coat owned by Rihanna.

And whether she was decked out in
couture or a full hot dog costume, she

never afraid to be frank with old and
new friends alike. Watch.

Look behind you.

I would expect nothing less.

I met Bronwyn.

At least seven years ago. I love her
love of fashion. She's over the top.

This is couture. It's a hot dog outfit.

That's costume. Not costume.

You know how I feel about my friends
here.

It's a challenge.

The whole, like, do you want to see a
healed Whitney?

I was like, do we practice this in the
mirror at home? I feel very wary of

someone who has such strong, harsh
opinions about people that they're just

meeting for the first time. I went with
Whitney.

And she said you were supportive of her.
I met up with Bronwyn, and she's

awesome, and she was super supportive.

Really? You were team Lisa, and were
saying horrible things about Whitney. I

inviting everybody on a trip this
weekend, and I don't know that you and I

in a place for you to come. And I'm here
to, like, sing for my supper and, like,

earn an invite.

Hey. Hey, Heather. Everybody says they
wish that you were here.

I know, I'm sad.

Feels a little weird I went to the
bathroom when you guys called Heather.

I feel like we're just telling her we
miss her. Heather is talking me for

talking to someone else while I'm trying
to fix it. I don't want to be involved

in it. When it's me and somebody else,
it's my responsibility to work out. But

when it's you and someone else, my ass
better rot your dick like it's my job.

All right.

I want to start with your friendship
with Lisa. You recently said in an

interview that you're on a timeout. When
was the last time the two of you spoke?

It's been probably a month, maybe
longer, a little longer. A month. A

over a month.

Tiffany from Michigan said, Bronwyn, was
it disappointing for you to come on the

show with Lisa's friend to have her turn
on you?

So I think I feel differently now than I
did then. At the time, I definitely did

feel like you were not.

Being a friend to me, I think I've, I
kept thinking something went wrong

Lisa and I. And I think you see me kind
of chasing her almost the whole season.

What went wrong? What's wrong? What's
wrong?

Which you took as me nitpicking you. And
now that I've watched it back and I've

watched the way you are with Angie and
Heather and the things you said in your

confessionals, I don't think anything
went wrong. I think.

I just was unaware that we were not as
close as I thought we were. I think I

Lisa's social friend, and I thought we
were really good friends.

And so I kept expecting really good
friendship out of somebody who just is

somebody who sees me socially.

What's your reaction to that?

I enjoy Bronwyn, but it was definitely
more of a social friendship.

We weren't embedded in each other's
lives. We didn't tell each other our

deepest, darkest secrets.

And I've always... you know, thought
highly of her.

Minerva Piccaro on Twitter said,
Heather, you didn't give Bronwyn a

you regret treating her the way you did
after watching the season? Do you think

you've been unfair to her?

Listen, I got a quick read on Bronwyn
because I thought I knew exactly how she

felt about everyone.

And so when I heard that she gave a
completely different feeling to Whitney,

surprised me, and I don't regret it.
There was more conversation in the car,

yes, I was hard on Whitney. And then
Whitney and I had a conversation, and I

said to Whitney, I didn't leave there
with a great impression after you

out. You told Whitney she was iconic.
And I do have a question for you because

in that moment watching it, And looking
back, it feels like you always say no

one was there for me, and I feel like I
was always there for you.

I was so supportive, and I feel like you
won't claim me publicly as a friend.

That is something I see as I watch back.

I very much was in a place when we were
filming this where I thought Lisa and I

were better friends, and something had
gone wrong, and I was trying to unravel

what went wrong.

More often than not, I placed Lisa on a
higher pedestal than the others. Okay.

If there was an avenue to fix it with
Lisa, I kept running to fix it with Lisa

rather than seeing there were other
friendships here. Do you accept that,

Whitney? I do accept that.

Yeah? Because my relationship with
Bronwyn is completely separate than her

relationship with Lisa. Okay.

Erin from Pennsylvania said, Heather,
you seem offended that Bronwyn wanted to

mend things before Palm Springs.

Can you blame her for not wanting to
invite people she's not in good standing

with? I mean...

It was a move.

It was a couple's trip. And I think I
was never invited.

I was never going to go on that trip.
And it was very clear to me the minute I

walked in her house that I was there to
sing for my supper. And it felt hurtful.

Why would you want to create fractures
in friendships that are like newly

fragile, you know?

Did anybody else watching it think that
I was only there to embarrass Heather or

that I was trying to fix it with her?

Like, I'd love to know. It doesn't
matter what you projected. It matters

happened. Whitney, watching their
conversation, what did you think?

I know Heather so well, so I could see
where Heather's perspective was coming

from. The walls went up right away. But
I also did see Bronwyn trying, so I

think it was just a really sad miss.

But I understand both perspectives.

Okay.

Carolyn from Buffalo, Heather blames
your weight loss on...

You having an edge to you, can you see
how you were giving mean girl energy

season?

Carolyn from Buffalo, Heather, blames
your weight loss on you having an edge

you. Can you see how you were giving
mean girl energy this season?

I mean, that's just an interesting read.
I guess when I was heavier, I was...

more of an underdog and like so it was
okay when i stuck up for myself but

season one heather had a lot more
confidence than this girl here this show

strips you of your ego it strips you of
your confidence and like when i was

heavier i had to fight a lot harder
battles and i was a lot meaner and i

a lot more you know anger and rage than
this season for sure i just feel like

heather is different she she likes
herself more um she pouring more love

herself. I feel like when I first met
Heather five years ago, she was very

She was not happy. She was trying to
climb out of a really deep place that

had been left in from whoever ridiculed
her, whoever tore her down.

And she's different now. Now she's more
self -assured. And if she feels like

she's going to come after somebody.

Now she's more confident to do it. And
you are different. You've always been

very confident.

I've always had a lot more confidence to
show up with no clothes fit.

I'm wearing a stretchy jumpsuit. I'm
next to all of these beautiful women. I

confidence in spades to do this whole
show. Right. Why does it make you

emotional? Because I am happy and I'm
proud of myself. And I don't want that

make me meaner. I don't want it to make
me, you know.

But I am different, but it has nothing
to do with the fact that I took

medication that made me lose weight.

So I want to switch gears for a second.

Tamara from Teanex said, Bronwyn, you
discovered Lisa knows Gwen's paternal

grandparents. Did you intend on sharing
that story on the show?

No. When you held up the phone and I saw
his picture, I could have never

imagined that, like, his family is
Gwen's family.

I literally am like, oh my gosh, I know
his parents.

You knew Gwen's dad?

I knew him very loosely. I'm friends
with his parents.

So you saw the photo and you're like, I
know this, I know this. I knew it

because I used to go to his mother's
house and up the stairs she had a

of him.

Wow.

I can't tell you, I honestly can't tell
you a person other than Gwen I've ever

showed a picture of Gwen's dad to.

I was very clear about that. I've never
showed one to Todd.

It's not part of my life.

You've never shown the picture to Todd.

He's seen it now. Okay. He had not seen
it before, this connection.

Wow. So when you said that I looked like
Gwen, I don't know why I felt like

maybe this was this thing I could share
with you. I could confide in you that

Gwen looks like her dad and how much
that hurts me.

I felt like our friendship was falling
apart and I felt like I was confiding

these big things in you. I was letting
you in in such a huge way with my

daughter in this story.

And your responses did feel like you
were defending them.

It's the after show that you're
referring to.

I knew that this was a super sensitive
situation for Gwen and Bronwyn, but also

for a family that lost their son.

What did you say on the after show?

I had a long conversation with Gwen's
grandmother, and she's like, we're open

meeting her. We're excited.

She's like, the last we were told, you
know.

Bronwyn had a miscarriage, and there was
no child.

And then her son, who passed away, his
wife, reached out to Bronwyn, and she's

like, but we never got to meet.

Gwen. So it was like really upsetting
for them. We filmed the after show

the show airs. So I went off of talking
innocently about my friend Bronwyn and

how I feel for her and Gwen. And I also
feel for another family that it's not

about their house, not about the things
they've accomplished. It's about their

hearts. And that's how I know them. No
matter whose perspective you're going at

it, it's the most sad like thing that
could happen to anyone.

I hurt for all of you guys, though.
That's not really what happened.

What happened?

Lisa, we sat at the foot massage place
and you said that you had spoken to his

mother. I did. And she told you we
thought Bronwyn had a miscarriage.

I thought there is no way that this
person can know I have a child somewhere

someday not come for her. Do they not
know?

No, my dad.

My dad called Gwen's dad and her, I
guess, grandparents and

still waiting for a phone call back.

I think she was told that you had a
miscarriage and she said we didn't hear

differently. And so that's why I'm a
little confused when I hear that your

called them and spoke to them. Left them
a message.

Left them a message.

I asked production not to play those
clips, if possible, because I did not

to out that he had any other details
that would be identifying. I wanted to

very careful what was said on camera
about these people. In the 18 years I've

had Gwen, I have never told a single
person who this person is. I've never

for money. I've never said anything to
them. So I was very careful.

But you and I had a very clear
conversation.

You are entitled to believe your friends
if you want to, but you have been on TV

for a long time, much longer than me.
And you knew what going on the after

and repeating that I faked a
miscarriage. I never said you faked a

And you know how damaging that would be
to me. I didn't think that was damaging

to you. I was telling my daughter. He
has passed away.

Gwen's father has passed away.

You are entitled to believe your friends
if you want to, but you have been on TV

for a long time. And you knew what going
on the after show and repeating that I

faked a miscarriage would do. I never
said you faked a miscarriage. And you

how damaging that would be to me. I
didn't think that was damaging to you. I

telling my daughter.

He has passed away.

Gwen's father has passed away. You know
what?

You know what? I'm in a lose -lose
situation here. I don't understand why

can't. I'm in a lose -lose -lose
situation. I want you to be friends with

if you want to. I've not asked you not
to. But you have to be able to see that

you should not have said a word. I
should have never, ever talked about

wish you didn't bring it to camera. I
wish I would have never brought up their

name. I told you, you're amazing. You
have said things that are horrible. Hold

on, hold on. You have said things that
are horrible.

Hold on.

You want to make me this horrible human
being that I'm not.

Lisa's welcome to believe them if that's
what they want to tell her that's

happened. But I don't understand why you
can't have an ounce of understanding

how painful that was for Gwen and I that
you repeated something like that on

camera. I think that's why she's crying.
And once you repeated it, it went

everywhere. That's why she's crying now
because she didn't realize it. This is a

lose -lose situation. You could at least
start with, I hurt your daughter.

By saying that, because it caused
rumors. And you have been on the show

enough to know what saying that would
do. You knew people would pick it up.

knew people would talk about it. And
even if you didn't think that through

beforehand, you could sit here now and
say, oh, my God.

Yes, me saying that on the after show
did do this. And I don't give a about

anymore, Bronwyn, but I'm sorry it hurt
your daughter. That would be a lie.

So, you know what, where we can start
with, this is where we have a hard time

and where we struggle. You always say,
well, you should say this and Lisa

have said this and Lisa should have done
this.

I don't need options.

I don't need options. This was a very
complicated position for anybody to be

Do you feel badly that Bronwyn and Gwen
were hurt by what you said? Listen, if I

could have just said what I needed to
say, I would have said it. But then

there's time. Okay.

I would never want to hurt Bronwyn or
Gwen. I understand the magnitude of

what I was asked to do. It was a very
heavy weight for two people that are,

like, good people that might have some
great future together.

I feel like they have two very different
experiences, and if they

talked, they could figure it out. She's
not remorseful. She just keeps defending

it.

Bronwyn, at the end of the season, Gwen
still hadn't decided whether to pursue a

relationship with her paternal
grandparents.

Where are things now? What wound up
happening?

That's in Gwen's court now. Lisa gave us
the information when this all came up,

and Gwen has that, and Gwen's 18, and
she wants to handle it the way she wants

to. My take with Gwen is always that I
don't share any detail other than I want

her to make the choice that's best for
her, and I'll support it.

I feel like I've done everything I can
do to make this better between the two

them. I've given Gwen 18 years of
nothing but positive things to say about

dad and his family, and it's her.

She's got to handle it the way she wants
to from here on out.

I guess the million -dollar question is,
Bronwyn and Lisa, is there a path

forward for the two of you?

I still feel like you are saying there's
hurt on both sides.

I see where they're coming from. I still
just don't. She's looking for you to

take up for her a little bit. I don't
see that. And it's fine. You don't have

to. But you have to see how that will
change our relationship if there is

nothing you can see from my vantage
point.

I don't know how I could be friends with
someone and not even be able to.

Hurtful situation. I think she's just
looking for a level of understanding. I

have understanding.

I am so sorry that I up on the daily and
it affected you.

I am so sorry.

And I feel bad for them, too, because
this is a horrible situation for

everybody.

OK, there's a lot of hurt here that is
obviously really deep, and I don't think

we're going to resolve this right now. I
just want to put a pin in it and see

how it develops as the night goes on.

We are back with the ladies of Salt Lake
City and the husbands

have joined us on the reunion stage.
Hey, Justin.

Hey, how you doing, Andy? Did you ever
restock your Vita tequila?

In the process.

Very good. The sun's going up.

Todd, welcome to your first reunion.

Thanks, Andy.

I'm sorry I'm not greeting you in an
inflatable costume. I wish you had.

How do you feel about landing from
business trips and having your wife

at the airport in costume?

Look, it's just fun. Right.

Sean? Welcome to your first reunion. We
didn't have the husbands here last year.

How has your experience been over the
last couple of years? I'm having a great

time, and Angie's doing a great job, and
I'm here to support her as well. That's

nice. Mary, we didn't see Robert Sr.

this season.

Why?

Well, obvious reasons. He does not want
to be a part of this.

He's happy, and he's good with his life,
and he's not wanting nothing to

interrupt it.

Hey, John.

Hey, Andy. How were those parallel
parking skills?

I'm so glad you gave us time to get
here. I've been parking for the last two

hours. That was such a great reveal.

It was such a reveal.

It should have been slower.

And changed things for me with you
forever.

Seth, how you doing?

Great. You have any proof to share
today?

Yeah. His wife does.

I'll leave that to the lawyer.

Okay. All right. Here we go.

For the last five years, the Salt Lake
City husbands have managed to keep their

skis out of their wives' icier moments.
But this season, husbands and couples

were openly taking swipes like they were
authorized users of Todd's Blackguard.

Watch.

You judge a straight man by their wife,
period.

And we crushed it. We outkicked our
coverage.

I'm going to make a different point.

I think they outkicked their coverage.

Why did you choose your husband? I
thought he was hysterically funny.

Are you attracted to him? Because he has
money or because we have an age

difference? That feels like a real low
blow.

It's miserable, but it's beautiful.

It's an analogy for Todd and I's
marriage.

Miserable, but beautiful.

Look, I don't know all that much about
Brahman and Todd's relationship, but it

feels like there's a mild tension there.

The ten years we've been together, I've
never seen you act the way you acted

this weekend.

Frankly, it's not very becoming for you.

Todd's approval means a lot to me.

Todd's approval might mean everything to
me.

When Bronwyn and I started dating, I
have some friends that one of them had

NSA do a background check on Bronwyn.

Oh, yeah, I can be a real snarky.

For sure.

Don't say that.

It just feels like he calls the shots,
he's in charge, and she is grateful to

along for the ride.

Okay. Chris from Knoxville said,
Bronwyn, Todd is obviously very blunt.

Were you concerned about him being on
the show?

I mean, I let Todd be who he wants to
be. And Todd and I have had some really

important conversations as we've watched
each other back.

I would have said before we filmed,
while we filmed, that we had a good

relationship, but we have a much
stronger one now because there are

I've seen from other people's
perspectives that I want to change in

speak to Todd.

And I won't speak for you, but you said
similar things to me.

Absolutely, I feel the same way.

And I think one of the interesting
things is the number of people in this

that, you know, some of them didn't even
know my name and asserted things about

me, which is strange, right? So I think
people have opinions.

And apparently they feel free to share
them.

Doesn't mean they're true.

Bronwyn and I have a very strong
relationship.

We've got ups and downs like everybody.

We have a great time together.

We've experienced so many things over
the last 10 years.

I think a lot of people can be envious
of what we've done together.

I'm curious about the conversations
you've had that have come out about your

behavior on the show or things that
you've seen from each other on the show

you say have made you stronger.

Yeah, I mean, I have a tendency to have
a sarcastic bend to my sense of humor.

And I also think I always want to say
something before somebody else says it

about me. I want to make the joke first.
And a lot of times that comes across

like I'm making a joke at Todd's expense
or at the stability of my marriage's

expense. And it does take its toll to
watch the world think that I'm the one

speaking negatively about my spouse or
my marriage. And Todd didn't deserve

that. Well, that's interesting. And have
you seen anything of yourself that

you've felt like? Sure. I think clearly
I can be gruff. I can be, I think your

viewer said, blunt, maybe too blunt, too
direct.

And I've committed to myself and to
Bronwyn to work on that with her.

I don't mean to be as assertive as I
appeared, but like a ninth grade type of

argument, a playground argument, set me
off a little bit. Not ninth grade. When

she joined the show, was there anything
off limits?

Well, we said a couple of things are off
limits.

Bronwyn's daughter, Gwendolyn, who I've
been with for 10 years.

She's 18. I've been with her the
majority of her life.

So bringing up issues that were very
personal and very sensitive to her was

completely unacceptable to me, almost to
the point of being libelous in what was

asserted. Who brought it up?

Your wife. No, she didn't. Yes, she did.
She didn't. He's talking about the

after show and what was on the after
show. Lisa didn't bring it up.

Bronwyn brought it to the camera.

Okay, I don't want to relitigate this
argument. But Todd, I get where you're

coming from. He's talking about the
after show. Todd, I get where you're

from. Let me be clear about something.

You asserting Ronald had a miscarriage,
which was why... Watch your tone.

I'm not watching my tone. Watch your
tone. No, watch your tone. Okay.

Next week, the reunion continues.

Lisa associated Sean's name with circle
jerks. Yes, I did.

God, I'm never going to get rid of this.

I have been called mentally unstable,
next level psychotic disassociation. Do

you take notes?

I wouldn't even say it's an emotional
affair.

So he didn't do it or he did do it.

So grateful that Robert Jr.

was brave enough to share that.