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We choose to go to the moon.
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We choose to go to the moon.
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We choose to go to the moon in this decade
and do the other things,
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not because they are easy
but because they are hard.
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- Look at that.
- That's beautiful.
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It's gotta be one of the most proud moments
of my life. I guarantee you.
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In the weeks leading up to
any manned space mission,
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the crew and the spacecraft are put
through a series of dress rehearsals,
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each one more like
the real thing than the last.
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The plugs out test is just one of these.
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The crew is wearing full pressure suits,
locked inside the hatch,
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confirming that the spacecraft
can operate under its own power,
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with all the umbilical plugs
connecting it to the ground removed.
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Even for the very first Apollo mission,
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the plugs out test was routine
and hardly considered hazardous.
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For astronauts Gus Grissom,
Ed White and Roger Chaffee,
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it was supposed to be
just another long afternoon,
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spent on their backs inside
the Apollo 1 command module.
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Another test of the complicated vehicle
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that would someday
perhaps take all three of them
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on a voyage from the Earth to the moon.
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OK, Command Pilot, how do you read?
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I read you loud and clear.
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Read me?
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You're pretty garbled here, Gus.
Senior Pilot, can you hear us?
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Yeah, coming through loud and clear.
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OK, Ed, you're worse than Gus.
How about you, Roger?
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OK, pilot reads you five by five.
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Roger, you are just a little bit better.
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- Better than Ed or better than Gus?
- Better than both.
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That's what I always say.
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Gus, what we'd like to do is use
strictly SBAND communication.
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See if we can clear this up.
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Can we get all three of you
in the SBAND mode?
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We're all now in the SBAND.
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That's real clean, Gus.
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Let's try one more
and maybe we can make the run.
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OK. This is the command pilot.
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One, two, three, four, five.
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OK. You're garbled, but I think
maybe we can get through like this.
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Senior Pilot, one more time, please.
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Roger. Senior pilot transmitting.
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One, two, three, four.
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I have senior pilot.
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We're not copying anybody five by.
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We've tried about every mode.
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We never did hear the pilot.
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Pilot hasn't talked yet. How's this?
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One, two, three, four, five.
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OK. You're all coming in about the same.
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Bear with us, because sometimes
we don't get your transmissions.
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OK, S TC.
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If you run into many more communication
problems, we're down. Copy?
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- Steve, I need you at the phone.
- I didn't read you, Chuck, at all.
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I can't read you, Chuck.
Wanna try the phone?
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How are we gonna get to the moon
if we can't talk between three buildings?
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Didn't read you. Can you repeat?
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I can't hear a thing they're saying.
Christ.
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I said, how are we gonna get to the moon if
we can't talk between two or three buildings?
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- OK, that's a little better.
- Give us a count on black-three.
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We're trying to figure out
why you're coming in on black-two.
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You want us to sit by here
till we get this stuff squared away?
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Chuck, I didn't...
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Test countdown hold continues
at T minus ten.
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Apollo 1, how do you read?
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Apollo 1, how do you read?
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I read you fine.
The problem is you're not reading me.
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We're gonna get a new backup system.
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I sent a guy out for a couple
of empty soup cans and some string.
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A lot of string.
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Really getting ridiculous.
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Sounds like we got an open mike.
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- We better find it.
- Fire!
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We got a fire in the cockpit!
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- Did he say fire?
- On the monitor!
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We got a bad fire!
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Hurry up!
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We keeping you from something, Stormy?
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Rick's rehearsal dinner.
I promised not to be late.
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Sure she's never heard that before.
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Control is on the line from the Cape.
There's a fire in the spacecraft.
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Mr Shea, I was just trying the house.
I thought you were going straight home.
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I have a couple of things
I need to look at.
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Mission Control called.
There's a situation.
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They wanted you to come over right away.
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What kind of situation?
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Chris. What's going on?
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We lost the crew.
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There was a fire. The crew is...
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They're dead.
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Jan?
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Hi.
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Would you like a sedative, Betty?
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- Something...
- No, thank you.
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I've important decisions
to make in the next few days.
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I don't wanna be zonked out on pills.
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Better go call Gus's folks.
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Martha, Mike Collins is here.
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Just so you know, Joe,
the suits failed but they...
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The doctors said they didn't burn to death.
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It was the smoke. They were asphyxiated.
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Hello? Anybody home?
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Mom? Dad?
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Could have been any of us in there.
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Hell, it almost was me.
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I was gonna sit in the spacecraft
for the test. Either me or Joe.
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What?
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We'd been having so many problems
with the communication system
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that we thought it might be a good idea
to have somebody in there listening in.
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So up until breakfast this morning,
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Joe Shea and I were gonna flip a coin to see
who got to ride in there with the guys.
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- Where would we sit?
- Not on my lap, that's for damn sure.
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We could fit one person across the cabin
underneath the foot rail.
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Whichever one of us goes in there,
we'll be able to hear what you are hearing.
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Which won't be much.
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- Approximately.
- Approximately?
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We can't patch you into
the cabin comm lines.
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We'd have to run
a separate line through the hatch.
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Then the hatch would have to be open.
That's not gonna work.
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We decided that if we weren't gonna
hear exactly what they were hearing
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that there really wasn't much point.
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Hell, we've been doing that test
since Mercury, Frank.
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So Joe flew back to Houston
and I went out to the pad.
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Don't really know why
I went out there with the guys.
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I usually don't.
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Think I just really wanted
to ride in the spacecraft.
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At least see what it was like
to ride a test out up there.
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But anyway...
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I'm kinda concerned about Joe.
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I saw him up at the tower
but I don't know how he's handling it.
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How are you handling it?
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I'm drunk.
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You know, the thing is,
Frank, that you and I,
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we both know that people die
testing unproved aircraft.
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Happens all the time.
It's not nice and we don't like it...
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but we all knew it'd happen someday.
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No, Deke.
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We all knew it'd happen someday in space.
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It's one thing to die on a mission.
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It's another to die on the pad
during a routine goddamn test.
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Senator Mondale's thoughts are with
the families of these brave Americans.
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That's it. No. That's it for now.
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Seen the Times? Listen to this.
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"The astronauts were badly burned.
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"Rescue workers needed five hours
to remove their bodies."
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I knew this was a waste of money.
Turns out it's a dangerous waste of money.
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For six years, they've been
spending money hand over fist.
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No one's been able to do anything about it.
Until now. We're looking into it.
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I talked to Anderson's office. He wants
to wait until NASA's finished its...
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Its own investigation? For Christ's sake!
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The fox guarding the henhouse!
It'll be a complete...
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...whitewash. They don't like NASA
employees investigating NASA.
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As far as I'm concerned,
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I didn't come here from Langley to put
a good face on this for my employers.
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As a matter of fact,
the way I see it, while we're doing this,
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we're not working for NASA.
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We're working for Gus and Ed and Roger.
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You're each gonna head up a panel or two.
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Max, I want you to go over all the data
that came out of the spacecraft.
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Printouts, voice transmissions, everything.
Pin down the precise sequence of events.
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We're going to have one panel
focusing squarely on the fire.
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How it started, how it spread.
They'll report to Dr Robert Van Dolah
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of the Bureau of Mines
Explosives Research Center.
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Frank, I want you to head up the panel
responsible for dismantling the spacecraft.
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Sorry I'm late. I got a call from Joe Shea.
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Stormy, he had a good idea.
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They're gonna use spacecraft 1 4
as a model for taking apart 12,
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before they remove a screw from 12,
they'll try it out first on 1 4.
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Fine.
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Stormy, we're gonna help them
any way we can.
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I know, but we've also gotta get
the block twos ready to fly.
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Anything else?
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- Do you think they'll try to nail us?
- How can they nail us, Bud? It wasn't our fault.
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We were gonna run an emergency egress test
at the end of the plugs out,
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see how fast they could get out of there.
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How far did Ed manage
to turn the latch handle?
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We don't know. Even if he'd managed
to turn it all the way...
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He never would have gotten out.
It's an inward opening hatch.
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As strong as Ed was,
the pressure from the fire and smoke
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would have been too much
for him to pull against.
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You know what haunts me?
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In a way, if it wasn't for me,
the fire might not have been fatal.
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Why is that?
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The capsules in the Mercury programme
had explosive hatches, right?
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You pull a lever and bam,
you're outta there in a second.
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Remember when Gus's capsule sank
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and everyone said he must have
blown the hatch by accident?
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I was on the review board for that.
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I was the one who found out
Gus was telling the truth.
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The hatch could blow by itself.
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Because of that they decided
not to use an explosive hatch with Apollo.
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Nice irony.
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If I hadn't proved Gus right...
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we might have had an explosive hatch
on this spacecraft,
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in which case, Gus and the boys
would still be alive and well.
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I'm not a big fan of irony.
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Got a bad fire!
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Hurry up! Hurry up!
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Got a bad fire!
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Hurry up! Hurry up!
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I'm going now, Mr Shea.
Is there anything I can get you?
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You believe in time travel, Kathy?
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I mean, if you could go back in time,
what would you do?
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I mean, I'd be on that
spacecraft for the test.
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That's where I'd be.
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Good night, sir.
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Next is TPS4CM183.
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Item 1018. Panel 209 mount, upper right.
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Panel 209 mount, upper right.
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Panel 209 mount, upper right.
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Counter clockwise rotation,
22 pounds torque.
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Counter clockwise rotation,
22 pounds torque.
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Release at 22.5.
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Confirmed as panel 209 mount, upper right.
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Threading's intact. No visible marking.
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22.5. Noted.
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Hold on. I think you're
gonna want to see this.
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It's a socket wrench.
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We found it behind the panel door.
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Must have been left there
by one of the North American workmen.
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No other reasonable explanation for it.
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Socket wrench?
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Did it have anything to do with the fire?
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We haven't finished our
analysis but I'd say no.
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That's a long way away
from where we think that fire started.
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But it still shouldn't have
been there, should it?
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No, sir.
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Well, I think we better hear
what North American has to say.
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Gentlemen, this is off the record.
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I want to thank Stormy
and Joe for coming to talk to us.
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We're writing this report
in the next three weeks
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and we have some questions for you
that might help us clear some things up.
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Stormy, let's start with you.
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- I'm sure you've seen this.
- Yes, I've seen that.
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Leaving that wrench in those wires
was careless and sloppy.
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When we find the person responsible,
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we're going to make our displeasure known
in the strongest possible way.
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But we all know that that wrench
had absolutely nothing to do with the fire.
239
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Stormy, a number of people have told me
Gus wasn't happy with North American.
240
00:23:51,973 --> 00:23:56,808
When he made suggestions or had complaints,
he didn't think he was being listened to.
241
00:23:56,853 --> 00:23:58,844
We listened at first.
242
00:23:58,893 --> 00:24:01,532
But after a while, we
had to stop listening.
243
00:24:01,573 --> 00:24:04,212
The good old days
of Mercury and Gemini are gone.
244
00:24:04,253 --> 00:24:07,325
On Gemini, if you wanted to make
a change in the spacecraft,
245
00:24:07,373 --> 00:24:10,171
all you had to do was
call up old man McDonnell. Right?
246
00:24:10,213 --> 00:24:12,932
Well, you can't do that on Apollo.
You know that.
247
00:24:12,973 --> 00:24:16,283
The smallest change has huge ramifications.
248
00:24:16,333 --> 00:24:19,484
Mercury missions. You launched,
orbited, came back down.
249
00:24:19,533 --> 00:24:22,570
You could hold your breath
through some of those flights.
250
00:24:22,613 --> 00:24:24,490
We're going to the moon now.
251
00:24:24,533 --> 00:24:27,684
So if the accusation is
we haven't done everything
252
00:24:27,733 --> 00:24:31,726
that you astronauts have asked us to do,
all I can say is guilty as charged.
253
00:24:32,733 --> 00:24:35,884
No one's accusing you of anything.
This isn't a court of law.
254
00:24:35,933 --> 00:24:38,493
- You're damn right. It's an ambush!
- Stormy...
255
00:24:38,533 --> 00:24:40,410
You've got questions for Joe and me.
256
00:24:40,453 --> 00:24:43,604
Why do I think there aren't gonna be
many questions for Joe?
257
00:24:43,653 --> 00:24:46,565
Because if you don't have any,
I've got a couple, Joe.
258
00:24:46,613 --> 00:24:49,525
Wanna tell them the real reason
for the wiring problems?
259
00:24:49,573 --> 00:24:51,768
NASA keeps changing mission requirements
260
00:24:51,813 --> 00:24:55,249
and yet you push us
to meet these arbitrary deadlines.
261
00:24:55,293 --> 00:24:58,091
We never made changes
regarding Velcro, Stormy.
262
00:24:58,133 --> 00:24:59,452
What?
263
00:24:59,493 --> 00:25:03,008
There was not supposed to be
more than 500 square inches in the cabin.
264
00:25:03,053 --> 00:25:05,692
You guys had
over 5,000 square inches in there.
265
00:25:05,733 --> 00:25:09,772
- I wasn't aware that was a problem.
- Of course you were aware!
266
00:25:09,813 --> 00:25:11,929
We talked about it last August.
267
00:25:11,973 --> 00:25:14,328
You guys got any other complaints?
268
00:25:14,373 --> 00:25:16,364
No steering wheel?
269
00:25:16,413 --> 00:25:19,530
How about tinted windows,
maybe some power steering?
270
00:25:19,573 --> 00:25:20,972
No problem.
271
00:25:21,013 --> 00:25:23,573
We have a couple of things
before we can take off.
272
00:25:23,613 --> 00:25:26,252
Check the fine print.
There's no warranty on it.
273
00:25:26,293 --> 00:25:28,932
Soon as we signed the pink slip over,
it was yours.
274
00:25:28,973 --> 00:25:31,328
- Caveat emptor, buddy.
- No, it's the Velcro.
275
00:25:31,373 --> 00:25:34,809
It's flammable and there's too much inside.
How did this happen?
276
00:25:34,853 --> 00:25:36,650
Talk to them. They put it there.
277
00:25:36,693 --> 00:25:40,083
Look, Joe, when you get up in zero G,
crap starts floating around,
278
00:25:40,133 --> 00:25:43,523
but put a little on your pen
and on the bulkhead and presto.
279
00:25:43,573 --> 00:25:47,168
OK, then maybe there's just
a few too many bits of it in there.
280
00:25:47,213 --> 00:25:48,965
So wherever Velcro is...
281
00:25:49,013 --> 00:25:53,052
there should be at least four inches
between it and any ignition source.
282
00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:56,051
- Sure. Yeah.
- All right, other than that...
283
00:25:56,093 --> 00:25:59,244
Not one piece of Velcro
or anything flammable
284
00:25:59,293 --> 00:26:02,046
was within four inches
of any ignition source.
285
00:26:02,093 --> 00:26:05,085
Not that it mattered.
A ten-inch gap wasn't enough.
286
00:26:05,133 --> 00:26:07,328
The fire wasn't caused by Velcro!
287
00:26:07,373 --> 00:26:12,845
It was caused by the use of 100%
pure goddamn oxygen under pressure.
288
00:26:12,893 --> 00:26:14,963
North American was given requirements.
289
00:26:15,013 --> 00:26:19,131
One of the requirements was a spacecraft
designed to operate filled with oxygen
290
00:26:19,173 --> 00:26:21,368
and to do so without exploding!
291
00:26:21,413 --> 00:26:26,009
Joe, I think it's time you and your friends
at NASA took a remedial math course.
292
00:26:26,053 --> 00:26:28,851
In space, the cabin was supposed to contain
293
00:26:28,893 --> 00:26:32,044
five pounds per square inch
of pure oxygen, right?
294
00:26:32,093 --> 00:26:35,768
Fine. So we built it to
those specifications.
295
00:26:35,813 --> 00:26:39,692
But you weren't conducting the test in
space. You were doing it at sea level,
296
00:26:39,733 --> 00:26:43,009
where the atmospheric pressure
is already 1 4.8.
297
00:26:43,053 --> 00:26:45,442
That means that in order to simulate
298
00:26:45,493 --> 00:26:48,849
the positive pressure of space flight,
you had to add some psi.
299
00:26:48,893 --> 00:26:51,248
You guys tanked up that spacecraft
300
00:26:51,293 --> 00:26:54,683
with almost 1 7 pounds per square inch
of pure oxygen.
301
00:26:54,733 --> 00:26:58,521
At 1 7 psi pure oxygen, Velcro explodes.
302
00:26:58,573 --> 00:27:02,691
The fact remains, we conducted
over 15,000 hours of manned tests
303
00:27:02,733 --> 00:27:06,282
with pressurized oxygen environments
with nothing going wrong!
304
00:27:06,333 --> 00:27:10,121
- Something did go wrong.
- You said there'd be no ignition sources!
305
00:27:10,173 --> 00:27:14,086
- We begged you not to test at high pressure!
- All right.
306
00:27:16,453 --> 00:27:18,444
All right.
307
00:27:22,093 --> 00:27:24,049
Sorry.
308
00:27:25,333 --> 00:27:28,484
Normally, Velcro is not
much of a fire risk.
309
00:27:28,533 --> 00:27:34,210
This is Velcro in air at sea level,
under intense direct heat.
310
00:27:35,253 --> 00:27:41,044
It'll burn, it'll melt.
It will not support combustion.
311
00:27:43,533 --> 00:27:47,128
This is Velcro in an atmosphere
of 100% oxygen.
312
00:27:56,942 --> 00:27:59,661
As for the spark that started it.
313
00:27:59,702 --> 00:28:03,092
From our fire propagation test
and analysis of the spacecraft,
314
00:28:03,142 --> 00:28:05,781
we believe the fire started down here.
315
00:28:06,462 --> 00:28:09,340
Because of fire damage
in this part of the spacecraft,
316
00:28:09,382 --> 00:28:11,896
we'll never know how the fire started.
317
00:28:11,942 --> 00:28:18,859
Our best guess is that a wire was resting
against the inside of this panel door here.
318
00:28:18,902 --> 00:28:21,462
After the door opened and shut a few times,
319
00:28:21,502 --> 00:28:24,938
the Teflon insulation
became abraded in two spots.
320
00:28:25,742 --> 00:28:29,530
When the current went through the wire,
there was an arc and...
321
00:28:30,422 --> 00:28:32,890
Well, you've heard the rest.
322
00:28:34,622 --> 00:28:38,058
You're saying the fire
was the result of frayed wiring?
323
00:28:38,102 --> 00:28:39,535
Yes.
324
00:28:57,422 --> 00:29:00,061
Disassembly of the Apollo 1
command module
325
00:29:00,102 --> 00:29:02,980
was completed
at the Kennedy Space Center
326
00:29:03,022 --> 00:29:06,173
on March 27, 1 967, during the first shift.
327
00:29:33,702 --> 00:29:37,138
You keep working these hours,
you're gonna have a heart attack.
328
00:29:37,182 --> 00:29:40,811
- Did you read this thing?
- It's 2,300 pages, Stormy.
329
00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:43,092
They're saying it was all our fault.
330
00:29:43,142 --> 00:29:48,500
There's a couple of references that testing
in highly-pressurized oxygen is dangerous.
331
00:29:48,542 --> 00:29:50,533
Other than that, we get our butt kicked.
332
00:29:50,582 --> 00:29:52,538
- We gotta let 'em know...
- We don't.
333
00:29:52,582 --> 00:29:55,301
- We're not just gonna take this?
- Yes, we are.
334
00:29:55,342 --> 00:29:59,255
We have got files filled with memos
begging them not to test like that.
335
00:29:59,302 --> 00:30:02,055
We are going to forget about those files.
336
00:30:02,102 --> 00:30:04,855
We can't blame NASA, Stormy.
337
00:30:04,902 --> 00:30:08,053
We make NASA look bad,
they could cancel the whole programme.
338
00:30:08,102 --> 00:30:12,220
Mondale's looking
for any excuse to shut it down.
339
00:30:12,262 --> 00:30:17,052
This way, we take a few hits
but the programme rolls on.
340
00:30:17,102 --> 00:30:20,572
- With a new contractor.
- It's too late to get a new contractor.
341
00:30:20,622 --> 00:30:23,341
Kennedy promised the moon
by the end of the decade.
342
00:30:23,382 --> 00:30:26,499
They switch contractors now,
they can forget about that.
343
00:30:26,542 --> 00:30:29,932
And if it looks like
they're gonna miss Kennedy's goal,
344
00:30:29,982 --> 00:30:34,419
public sentiment will evaporate
and Congress will pull the plug.
345
00:30:34,462 --> 00:30:36,373
They can't replace us.
346
00:30:37,142 --> 00:30:39,372
We put our cap in our
hands, beg forgiveness
347
00:30:39,422 --> 00:30:44,257
and we promise it will never happen again.
We do not fight back.
348
00:30:47,222 --> 00:30:49,452
And we forget those files exist.
349
00:30:56,422 --> 00:30:58,413
What files?
350
00:31:01,422 --> 00:31:03,378
He must be loving this.
351
00:31:03,422 --> 00:31:05,413
- Who?
- Joe Shea.
352
00:31:05,462 --> 00:31:10,536
I can't believe how he's been able
to skate through all this unscathed.
353
00:31:10,582 --> 00:31:12,573
That's not what I hear, Stormy.
354
00:31:14,342 --> 00:31:20,099
From what I hear,
Joe has been anything but unscathed.
355
00:31:21,102 --> 00:31:24,014
I'm OK. I'm fine.
356
00:31:24,662 --> 00:31:27,813
It's just that we got
a lot of people worried about you.
357
00:31:27,862 --> 00:31:31,571
Yeah? Well. I'm just a little overtired.
That's all.
358
00:31:32,742 --> 00:31:35,461
I know.
Hell, we're all feeling the pressure.
359
00:31:35,502 --> 00:31:39,620
Hear about Ron Tucker? Got up
in the middle of a review board meeting
360
00:31:39,662 --> 00:31:44,133
and started drawing an organizational
chart of heaven on the blackboard.
361
00:31:44,182 --> 00:31:47,333
At the top goes God, who
we'll call Big Daddy.
362
00:31:48,502 --> 00:31:53,337
Ron's eating soft food in a soft room now
but at least he's alive.
363
00:31:53,382 --> 00:31:55,577
Quality control inspector out at the Cape
364
00:31:55,622 --> 00:32:01,060
that drove his whole family
out in front of a train wasn't so lucky.
365
00:32:02,022 --> 00:32:06,140
You don't think
I'm gonna snap like that, do you?
366
00:32:07,022 --> 00:32:09,217
I don't know, Joe.
367
00:32:10,702 --> 00:32:14,012
A lot of people heard
you say that you wished
368
00:32:14,062 --> 00:32:16,257
you'd been in the spacecraft with the guys.
369
00:32:16,302 --> 00:32:18,862
I'm not saying that I wish I was dead.
370
00:32:18,902 --> 00:32:23,020
No. That's not what I'm saying at all.
371
00:32:23,062 --> 00:32:25,371
It's just...
372
00:32:28,902 --> 00:32:32,053
Forget it. What do they want me to do?
373
00:32:32,102 --> 00:32:33,774
- Who?
- The three wise men.
374
00:32:33,822 --> 00:32:35,778
Webb, Seamans, Mueller.
375
00:32:35,822 --> 00:32:40,100
They think I've gone over the edge.
What would they like me to do?
376
00:32:40,142 --> 00:32:44,135
I don't know what they want you to do.
I'll tell you what I think you should do.
377
00:32:44,182 --> 00:32:45,900
I think you should take a break.
378
00:32:45,942 --> 00:32:49,537
Just leave of absence.
A couple of weeks and get some rest.
379
00:32:49,582 --> 00:32:51,379
No. No.
380
00:32:53,222 --> 00:32:54,860
Come on, Joe.
381
00:32:55,902 --> 00:32:59,338
- You said yourself you were overtired.
- I got a lot of work to do.
382
00:32:59,382 --> 00:33:01,577
You see that desk there?
383
00:33:03,262 --> 00:33:08,894
Well, then maybe... I just think maybe
you oughta just talk to somebody.
384
00:33:08,942 --> 00:33:13,413
You know and... maybe see a psychiatrist.
385
00:33:16,702 --> 00:33:18,897
You really do think I've cracked.
386
00:33:18,942 --> 00:33:21,581
It's just to put everybody's mind at ease.
387
00:33:21,622 --> 00:33:24,182
Fine, I'll see a psychiatrist.
I'll see a couple.
388
00:33:24,222 --> 00:33:26,417
Why don't you bring on a whole platoon?
389
00:33:26,462 --> 00:33:30,296
But I'm not leaving the programme
voluntarily till we get to the moon!
390
00:33:34,462 --> 00:33:38,933
Joe, I'm gonna come right to the point.
We got letters from the two psychiatrists.
391
00:33:38,982 --> 00:33:43,772
It seems like you passed
with flying colours.
392
00:33:43,822 --> 00:33:48,976
One of those psychiatrists complained
that seeing you was a waste of his time.
393
00:33:49,022 --> 00:33:53,174
Joe, I don't want you to think
that this reflects on what I think of you.
394
00:33:53,222 --> 00:33:57,340
I honestly feel
you're the most valuable man in NASA today.
395
00:33:57,382 --> 00:34:01,500
And that's why I'm gonna say
what I'm gonna say.
396
00:34:02,702 --> 00:34:08,618
Joe, NASA is about
more than just going to the moon.
397
00:34:08,662 --> 00:34:12,621
We got the space station to think about
and the manned mission to Mars.
398
00:34:12,662 --> 00:34:14,698
I want you to be a part of all of that.
399
00:34:15,422 --> 00:34:20,257
It's time you left the detail work behind,
got involved in making policy.
400
00:34:20,302 --> 00:34:22,372
I want you to join me here in Washington.
401
00:34:22,422 --> 00:34:24,014
You'll be at the highest level.
402
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:27,611
You won't have to report
to anyone except maybe me.
403
00:34:27,662 --> 00:34:29,857
What do you say?
404
00:34:29,902 --> 00:34:32,097
What do I say?
405
00:34:32,142 --> 00:34:33,939
How soon you want me?
406
00:34:33,982 --> 00:34:36,701
- How does now sound?
- That sounds great.
407
00:34:36,742 --> 00:34:39,893
- We got kids in school...
- You don't have to decide right now.
408
00:34:39,942 --> 00:34:42,740
Go back to the hotel,
phone your wife, talk about it.
409
00:34:42,782 --> 00:34:47,094
- I'll call you tomorrow. All right?
- Thanks.
410
00:34:47,702 --> 00:34:49,135
Call you tomorrow.
411
00:35:01,222 --> 00:35:04,134
- Hey, Jim. You talk to Joe?
- Yeah.
412
00:35:04,182 --> 00:35:05,934
Did he bite?
413
00:35:05,982 --> 00:35:08,701
And I feel like a complete and utter heel.
414
00:35:08,742 --> 00:35:12,337
It had to be done. We had to get him
outta the way before the hearings.
415
00:35:12,382 --> 00:35:14,577
- They'd tear him to shreds.
- I don't know.
416
00:35:14,622 --> 00:35:17,659
Maybe the hearings aren't gonna be
as horrible as we think.
417
00:35:17,702 --> 00:35:19,658
I'll see you in the morning.
418
00:35:20,462 --> 00:35:22,578
Going back to your statement, Dr Mueller,
419
00:35:23,062 --> 00:35:26,213
I understood you to say
there were nearly 500 inspectors
420
00:35:26,262 --> 00:35:28,776
in the Apollo programme at the Cape.
421
00:35:29,582 --> 00:35:30,810
Yes.
422
00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:36,653
Now, for the life of me,
I cannot understand, with all those people,
423
00:35:36,702 --> 00:35:40,695
how a socket wrench could have gone
undetected in the capsule
424
00:35:40,742 --> 00:35:43,734
from October until January the 27th.
425
00:35:50,222 --> 00:35:52,941
You're saying it was not
because NASA was in a hurry.
426
00:35:52,982 --> 00:35:56,213
- The contractor is responsible in...
- Wasn't that a failure?
427
00:35:56,262 --> 00:36:00,380
Did you ever consider cancellation
of North American's contract?
428
00:36:00,422 --> 00:36:02,617
Wouldn't you say they were negligent?
429
00:36:02,662 --> 00:36:06,052
Sir, I have not found anyone
at North American or NASA
430
00:36:06,102 --> 00:36:09,014
who would not give anything
to prevent what happened.
431
00:36:09,062 --> 00:36:13,897
But there was negligence on the part
of North American, was there not?
432
00:36:13,942 --> 00:36:16,615
I don't see how you can call
what they did negligence
433
00:36:16,662 --> 00:36:19,699
unless you mean that a company is negligent
434
00:36:19,742 --> 00:36:22,540
if 100% of its work is not done
without a mistake.
435
00:36:22,582 --> 00:36:27,053
As someone with extensive experience
in testing experimental aircraft,
436
00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:30,890
I can tell you that that standard
is just not achievable.
437
00:36:30,942 --> 00:36:36,016
So I don't feel that negligence
is the proper word.
438
00:36:36,062 --> 00:36:38,257
Thank you, Senator.
439
00:36:38,302 --> 00:36:39,815
Senator Mondale.
440
00:36:40,982 --> 00:36:45,612
Well, it seems that my colleagues have
asked all the questions I was going to ask.
441
00:36:48,662 --> 00:36:50,459
Except one.
442
00:36:51,422 --> 00:36:56,018
Now, I have been told, and I would like
to have this set straight if I'm wrong,
443
00:36:56,062 --> 00:37:02,661
that there was a report prepared for NASA
by General Phillips in mid or late 1965,
444
00:37:02,702 --> 00:37:05,853
which very strongly criticized
the Apollo programme
445
00:37:05,902 --> 00:37:11,056
for what were regarded as very serious
inadequacies in terms of quality control.
446
00:37:14,622 --> 00:37:16,897
Would you comment on that?
447
00:37:17,782 --> 00:37:20,421
Was there a Phillips report?
448
00:37:21,342 --> 00:37:23,333
Would you comment on that?
449
00:37:27,422 --> 00:37:29,219
I'm not aware of it, sir.
450
00:37:29,982 --> 00:37:35,579
Is it then your testimony that no such
unusual General Phillips report existed?
451
00:37:35,622 --> 00:37:38,614
Is this rumour unfounded?
452
00:37:39,422 --> 00:37:41,777
That's something we gotta take a look at.
453
00:37:46,182 --> 00:37:47,979
Let us look it up, sir.
454
00:37:48,022 --> 00:37:49,660
Did somebody forget to tell me?
455
00:37:49,702 --> 00:37:52,057
- It was a memo. It wasn't a big deal.
- It is now!
456
00:37:52,102 --> 00:37:55,697
It came out of the Tiger Team audit
from North American. It's old news.
457
00:37:55,742 --> 00:37:57,812
It's still gonna be damaging to us!
458
00:37:57,862 --> 00:38:01,980
"I heard a rumour." Rumour, my foot.
Probably got a copy in his hand.
459
00:38:02,022 --> 00:38:05,059
The reason he didn't throw it
in front of me like Perry Mason
460
00:38:05,102 --> 00:38:08,617
is because he knows the fool thing
is classified!
461
00:38:08,662 --> 00:38:10,857
He's gonna kill us.
462
00:38:10,902 --> 00:38:14,053
We're dead before we even got
off the damn launch pad.
463
00:38:14,102 --> 00:38:16,297
We don't know what Anderson's thinking.
464
00:38:16,342 --> 00:38:18,537
He can steer the committee
any way he wants.
465
00:38:18,582 --> 00:38:21,733
Where were you this morning?
He's got us twisting in the wind.
466
00:38:21,782 --> 00:38:26,173
Clinton Anderson has to worry about getting
re-elected just like everybody else.
467
00:38:27,502 --> 00:38:29,299
Who's left to testify?
468
00:38:29,342 --> 00:38:32,061
Lee Atwood and some of the folks
from North American.
469
00:38:32,102 --> 00:38:34,662
They're gonna get torn
to pieces after lunch.
470
00:38:34,702 --> 00:38:36,738
Then some members of the review board.
471
00:38:37,222 --> 00:38:39,690
- Borman?
- Frank's going at the end.
472
00:38:39,742 --> 00:38:41,653
Good. Everybody loves an astronaut.
473
00:38:41,702 --> 00:38:45,820
Come on. Are you kidding me?
You think he'll paint a rosy picture?
474
00:38:45,862 --> 00:38:49,650
- It could have been him in that spacecraft.
- You're right.
475
00:38:49,702 --> 00:38:51,499
Where you going, Jim?
476
00:38:51,542 --> 00:38:54,739
I'm gonna do the only thing
left for me to do. Beg for mercy.
477
00:38:56,262 --> 00:39:00,892
I'm sorry, Mr Webb, but I've got a
job to do and I'm going to do it.
478
00:39:00,942 --> 00:39:05,413
With all due humility, Senator,
what did we do wrong?
479
00:39:05,462 --> 00:39:09,011
- That's what I'm going to find out.
- No. Why are you so down on us?
480
00:39:09,982 --> 00:39:12,701
You and I are both Democrats.
481
00:39:12,742 --> 00:39:15,256
Going to the moon was Kennedy's dream.
482
00:39:15,302 --> 00:39:18,453
It was one of his dreams.
Jack Kennedy had a lot of dreams.
483
00:39:18,502 --> 00:39:20,572
Do you really want to kill Apollo?
484
00:39:21,262 --> 00:39:24,413
No. I'll tell you what I want, Mr Webb.
485
00:39:24,462 --> 00:39:28,250
I want there to be no American children
going hungry in any of our cities.
486
00:39:28,302 --> 00:39:31,851
I want to do something about our boys
dying halfway around the world.
487
00:39:31,902 --> 00:39:33,699
I want to do a lot of things.
488
00:39:33,742 --> 00:39:38,577
And if getting what I want means
we don't go to the moon, then so be it.
489
00:40:09,382 --> 00:40:12,294
Colonel Borman,
would you have entered the spacecraft
490
00:40:12,342 --> 00:40:15,778
on the morning of the accident
if your turn had been called?
491
00:40:15,822 --> 00:40:17,096
Yes, sir.
492
00:40:17,142 --> 00:40:19,337
Would you have had any hesitancy?
493
00:40:20,262 --> 00:40:22,822
No, sir.
494
00:40:22,862 --> 00:40:25,217
Were there defects in workmanship?
495
00:40:26,062 --> 00:40:27,654
There were.
496
00:40:27,702 --> 00:40:30,421
Did these defects go beyond workmanship?
497
00:40:30,462 --> 00:40:33,374
Yes, sir, there were defects in design.
498
00:40:34,942 --> 00:40:38,730
If you had entered the spacecraft
on that morning,
499
00:40:38,782 --> 00:40:41,854
would you have been motivated
by a desire to take risks?
500
00:40:43,222 --> 00:40:45,019
No, sir.
501
00:40:45,902 --> 00:40:51,693
Sometimes there are romantic, silk-scarf
notions attributed to this business
502
00:40:51,742 --> 00:40:55,132
but we're professionals.
503
00:40:55,182 --> 00:40:58,572
We will accept risk, certainly,
but not undue risk.
504
00:40:58,622 --> 00:41:00,340
Let me rephrase the question.
505
00:41:01,142 --> 00:41:05,454
Knowing what you know now,
would you have entered that spacecraft?
506
00:41:07,222 --> 00:41:09,019
No, sir.
507
00:41:13,222 --> 00:41:18,421
How did Commander Grissom and his crew
feel about the readiness of the vehicle?
508
00:41:18,462 --> 00:41:21,181
I talked to Ed White
shortly before the accident.
509
00:41:22,662 --> 00:41:25,540
He thought they were
over most of their problems.
510
00:41:25,582 --> 00:41:30,975
Didn't Commander Grissom once
hang a lemon on the simulator?
511
00:41:33,342 --> 00:41:35,697
You had to know Gus.
512
00:41:35,742 --> 00:41:38,893
Did Commander Grissom
hang a lemon on the simulator?
513
00:41:38,942 --> 00:41:40,011
Yes, sir.
514
00:41:40,062 --> 00:41:42,781
Tell us about him, Colonel.
515
00:41:43,742 --> 00:41:47,940
Sorry. I have a couple of quick questions.
Would you yield for a minute or two?
516
00:41:48,022 --> 00:41:49,933
- Actually, I...
- Thanks.
517
00:41:53,982 --> 00:41:58,100
Colonel Borman, you just said,
"You had to know Gus."
518
00:41:59,182 --> 00:42:03,300
I think that's been missing in here,
this past two days.
519
00:42:03,342 --> 00:42:06,220
I'd like for the record to contain
at least a little bit
520
00:42:06,262 --> 00:42:11,052
about the men who perished in that fire.
Could you do that for us?
521
00:42:17,142 --> 00:42:21,101
Gus Grissom was the first astronaut
to be asked to fly three times.
522
00:42:21,142 --> 00:42:23,337
Mercury, Gemini and Apollo.
523
00:42:23,382 --> 00:42:25,338
He loved being an astronaut.
524
00:42:26,262 --> 00:42:30,380
Except for the publicity and being
on display that comes with the job.
525
00:42:32,302 --> 00:42:36,773
There are no front windows on the house
he built for Betty in Timber Cove
526
00:42:36,822 --> 00:42:40,212
because he didn't want people looking in.
527
00:42:40,262 --> 00:42:43,732
If that gives you the impression
that Gus was a cranky SOB,
528
00:42:43,782 --> 00:42:46,501
well, he was at times.
529
00:42:47,822 --> 00:42:50,541
But I would have trusted him with my life.
530
00:42:52,782 --> 00:42:57,856
Ed White was a big man for an astronaut.
531
00:42:57,902 --> 00:43:02,339
A shade under six feet.
Exceptional athlete.
532
00:43:02,382 --> 00:43:06,500
As you all know,
Ed was the first American to walk in space.
533
00:43:08,462 --> 00:43:10,817
There was a story going around
534
00:43:10,862 --> 00:43:14,650
that when he was on his space walk,
he stayed out after being ordered in
535
00:43:14,702 --> 00:43:17,262
because he was having such a good time.
536
00:43:18,262 --> 00:43:19,820
It's a funny story
537
00:43:19,862 --> 00:43:23,252
but it would have meant
that Ed White disobeyed an order.
538
00:43:24,902 --> 00:43:26,938
Not gonna happen.
539
00:43:26,982 --> 00:43:28,779
Ed was a West Point man...
540
00:43:28,822 --> 00:43:34,977
and duty, honour, country
weren't just words to him, they were him.
541
00:43:35,022 --> 00:43:37,217
He was one of my closest friends.
542
00:43:38,902 --> 00:43:44,340
Roger Chaffee, I didn't know that well.
He was one of the new guys.
543
00:43:45,822 --> 00:43:48,211
Very energetic, very excited.
544
00:43:49,622 --> 00:43:51,578
I heard a story about him though.
545
00:43:51,622 --> 00:43:54,614
He was out on Long Island
visiting the Grumman facility
546
00:43:54,662 --> 00:43:57,893
where they're building the descent stage
for the lunar module
547
00:43:57,942 --> 00:44:00,581
and he saw a group of men
standing in a corner.
548
00:44:01,662 --> 00:44:07,453
He found out these were the fellows
that make the tools that make the machines.
549
00:44:08,542 --> 00:44:13,013
None of the bigwigs being escorted
through there ever talked to these guys
550
00:44:13,062 --> 00:44:18,056
but Roger went over and made them feel like
the most important part of the programme.
551
00:44:24,782 --> 00:44:28,741
Colonel, this isn't a court of law,
so I can ask you something
552
00:44:28,782 --> 00:44:31,342
that's completely hypothetical.
553
00:44:32,582 --> 00:44:37,451
If we could somehow reach
beyond the wall of death
554
00:44:38,462 --> 00:44:41,374
and talk to Grissom, White and Chaffee,
555
00:44:41,422 --> 00:44:44,573
what do you imagine
they would say about the fire?
556
00:44:45,422 --> 00:44:49,017
I was hoping someone would ask that.
557
00:44:49,062 --> 00:44:52,213
I don't know what Roger or Ed would say
558
00:44:52,262 --> 00:44:56,574
but I can let Gus speak for himself.
559
00:44:56,622 --> 00:44:59,534
Back in January he talked
to a group of reporters.
560
00:44:59,582 --> 00:45:02,813
They asked him about the dangers
involved in going to the moon.
561
00:45:02,862 --> 00:45:05,057
...not delay the programme.
562
00:45:05,102 --> 00:45:08,253
The conquest of space is
worth the risk of life.
563
00:45:08,302 --> 00:45:11,453
Our God-given curiosity
will force us to go there ourselves
564
00:45:11,502 --> 00:45:16,576
because, in the final analysis,
only man can fully evaluate the moon
565
00:45:16,622 --> 00:45:19,534
in terms understandable to other men.
566
00:45:22,222 --> 00:45:24,417
Colonel, at the risk of being gruesome,
567
00:45:24,462 --> 00:45:27,420
we've heard about the fire
from everyone who was there,
568
00:45:27,462 --> 00:45:31,057
everyone except the astronauts
themselves, of course.
569
00:45:32,022 --> 00:45:36,493
Can you tell us what they went through?
What it was like for them?
570
00:45:36,542 --> 00:45:40,251
I can only tell you what we know,
or at least what we think we know.
571
00:45:42,622 --> 00:45:47,059
When it happened they were just
waiting for the test to resume.
572
00:45:56,822 --> 00:46:00,940
How are we gonna get to the moon
if we can't talk between three buildings?
573
00:46:03,982 --> 00:46:06,780
I can't hear a thing you're saying.
Jesus Christ.
574
00:46:06,822 --> 00:46:12,215
I said, how are we gonna get to the moon if
we can't talk between two or three buildings?
575
00:46:17,422 --> 00:46:20,061
They wouldn't have seen
the spark that started the fire
576
00:46:20,102 --> 00:46:23,890
because it was behind a panel door
down below Gus's feet.
577
00:46:23,942 --> 00:46:27,537
Because of the oxygen,
the spark was able to jump out
578
00:46:27,582 --> 00:46:30,301
into the nylon netting under the seats.
579
00:46:30,342 --> 00:46:33,778
Gus probably saw it first
because it was closest to him.
580
00:46:35,222 --> 00:46:37,213
Fire!
581
00:46:37,262 --> 00:46:39,617
We got a fire in the cockpit!
582
00:46:40,422 --> 00:46:44,210
The procedure would have had
Gus push down Ed's headrest
583
00:46:44,262 --> 00:46:47,095
so that Ed could start
turning the latch handle.
584
00:46:50,222 --> 00:46:52,213
We got a bad fire!
585
00:47:10,582 --> 00:47:12,174
We're burning up!
586
00:47:13,142 --> 00:47:16,930
By now the temperature
and the pressure were astronomical.
587
00:47:18,902 --> 00:47:21,097
Let's get out!
588
00:47:50,462 --> 00:47:57,300
Now, it just took me a minute or more
to tell you all that.
589
00:47:58,662 --> 00:48:01,859
In actuality, from the
first mention of the fire
590
00:48:01,902 --> 00:48:05,292
to the rupture of the hull,
only 15 seconds went by.
591
00:48:10,862 --> 00:48:13,774
Colonel, what caused the fire?
592
00:48:13,822 --> 00:48:17,610
I'm not talking about wires and oxygen.
593
00:48:17,662 --> 00:48:21,780
It seems that some people think
that NASA pressured North American
594
00:48:21,822 --> 00:48:24,973
to meet unrealistic and arbitrary deadlines
595
00:48:25,022 --> 00:48:29,379
and that, in turn, North American
allowed safety to be compromised.
596
00:48:30,382 --> 00:48:33,738
I won't deny that there's been
pressure to meet deadlines
597
00:48:33,782 --> 00:48:37,013
but safety has never been
intentionally compromised.
598
00:48:37,062 --> 00:48:38,654
Then what caused the fire?
599
00:48:41,222 --> 00:48:42,814
A failure of imagination.
600
00:48:44,462 --> 00:48:48,057
We've always known there was
the possibility of fire in a spacecraft
601
00:48:48,102 --> 00:48:50,662
but the fear was that it
would happen in space
602
00:48:50,702 --> 00:48:54,615
when you're 180 miles from Terra firma
and the nearest fire station.
603
00:48:54,662 --> 00:48:59,736
That was the worry. No one ever imagined
that it would happen on the ground.
604
00:48:59,782 --> 00:49:04,253
If anyone had, the test would have been
classified as hazardous.
605
00:49:04,302 --> 00:49:07,453
But it wasn't. We just didn't think of it.
606
00:49:09,422 --> 00:49:11,413
Now, whose fault is that?
607
00:49:12,942 --> 00:49:14,933
It's North American's fault.
608
00:49:15,902 --> 00:49:18,257
It's NASA's fault.
609
00:49:18,302 --> 00:49:22,056
It's the fault of every person
who ever worked on Apollo.
610
00:49:23,302 --> 00:49:25,258
It's my fault.
611
00:49:25,302 --> 00:49:27,657
I didn't think the test was hazardous.
612
00:49:28,582 --> 00:49:30,538
No one did.
613
00:49:31,662 --> 00:49:33,653
I wish to God we had.
614
00:49:38,182 --> 00:49:43,814
Before we all go home, is there any statement
you personally would like to make?
615
00:49:45,822 --> 00:49:49,815
I think I'm safe in speaking
for all the astronauts when I say that...
616
00:49:50,862 --> 00:49:54,980
we're confident in our management,
we're confident in our training,
617
00:49:55,022 --> 00:49:57,695
in our engineering and in ourselves.
618
00:49:59,062 --> 00:50:02,657
The real question is, are
you confident in us?
619
00:50:07,302 --> 00:50:09,657
What do you think we should do, Colonel?
620
00:50:11,822 --> 00:50:17,180
I think you should stop this witch-hunt
and let us go to the moon.
621
00:50:20,382 --> 00:50:22,054
Please.
622
00:50:22,622 --> 00:50:25,534
Senator Mondale, back to you.
623
00:50:26,982 --> 00:50:29,177
Thank you, Mr Chairman.
624
00:50:32,782 --> 00:50:34,579
I have nothing further.
625
00:50:35,382 --> 00:50:37,577
Thank you, Colonel.
626
00:50:57,662 --> 00:51:01,655
- Those are beautiful.
- Thank you, dear.
627
00:51:01,702 --> 00:51:04,853
- Who called?
- Lee Atwood.
628
00:51:06,182 --> 00:51:09,777
- He wants to see me.
- On a Sunday?
629
00:51:11,302 --> 00:51:13,258
I think this is it.
630
00:51:26,062 --> 00:51:28,781
I wanted to see it through to the landing.
631
00:51:31,142 --> 00:51:32,939
God damn it.
632
00:51:53,942 --> 00:51:55,933
Mr Shea.
633
00:51:57,142 --> 00:52:00,737
- Yeah?
- There's a Mr Storms to see you.
634
00:52:03,102 --> 00:52:08,495
They said I wouldn't have to report to anyone.
Trouble is there's no one to report to me either.
635
00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:12,137
- What do you do?
- I go to the movies, museums.
636
00:52:12,182 --> 00:52:14,742
There's a lot of damn fine museums
in this town.
637
00:52:14,782 --> 00:52:18,172
- Did you know that?
- I think I've heard that.
638
00:52:18,222 --> 00:52:21,259
- What's next?
- I'm getting out.
639
00:52:21,302 --> 00:52:24,817
Join a company in Boston. How about you?
640
00:52:24,862 --> 00:52:28,013
They moved me over to the brake yard.
I'm still a VP but...
641
00:52:28,062 --> 00:52:31,737
I still talk with my old buddies
at the space division now and then.
642
00:52:31,782 --> 00:52:35,570
They say that
things have really improved since the fire.
643
00:52:35,622 --> 00:52:38,182
Everybody's working together
better than ever.
644
00:52:38,222 --> 00:52:41,134
There's a whole new sense of purpose,
a sense of relief.
645
00:52:41,182 --> 00:52:42,854
Relief?
646
00:52:42,902 --> 00:52:45,462
Everyone knew an accident was inevitable.
647
00:52:45,502 --> 00:52:50,576
I know. I talked to some UPI reporters
a couple of weeks before the fire.
648
00:52:50,622 --> 00:52:55,457
I said to 'em I believed some kind
of accident was probably inevitable.
649
00:52:56,502 --> 00:53:01,337
I also said I thought it would be harder
on those of us on the ground.
650
00:53:01,382 --> 00:53:04,021
The astronauts are dead, God rest them,
651
00:53:04,062 --> 00:53:08,453
but we have to live with the knowledge
we could have done something different.
652
00:53:08,502 --> 00:53:10,857
There's nothing you could have done, Joe.
653
00:53:11,742 --> 00:53:15,337
I could have been
in the cockpit that day, Stormy.
654
00:53:18,182 --> 00:53:23,256
Why is it every time I say that
people assume I mean I wish I were dead?
655
00:53:23,302 --> 00:53:28,296
The fire started on the left side
below Gus's feet, right?
656
00:53:28,342 --> 00:53:30,458
If I'd been on the spacecraft that day,
657
00:53:30,502 --> 00:53:34,814
I would have been lying below the footrest
right there where it started.
658
00:53:34,862 --> 00:53:39,413
I figure I had a 50-50 chance of putting
it out before it got out of control.
659
00:53:39,462 --> 00:53:44,297
My years in flight test, I saw a number
of crews slam into the desert floor.
660
00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:47,019
Too many.
661
00:53:47,062 --> 00:53:50,498
I love those guys and each time
that happened I wanted to die.
662
00:53:51,302 --> 00:53:56,535
But I've learned that
you gotta let go of the what ifs.
663
00:53:56,582 --> 00:53:58,538
They're meaningless.
664
00:53:58,582 --> 00:54:00,573
And they'll kill you.
665
00:54:01,982 --> 00:54:03,973
Yeah.
666
00:54:08,582 --> 00:54:10,937
It really meant a lot
your coming by, Stormy.
667
00:54:10,982 --> 00:54:12,859
I know we didn't always see eye to eye.
668
00:54:18,182 --> 00:54:19,979
I got mine up in the den.
669
00:54:20,022 --> 00:54:22,934
Yeah? I'm thinking about the front hall.
670
00:54:24,582 --> 00:54:27,301
You had to know it was Gus's idea.
671
00:54:34,702 --> 00:54:36,294
Take care.
672
00:54:36,342 --> 00:54:39,652
- Good luck.
- You too.
673
00:54:40,422 --> 00:54:42,219
Goodbye, Joe.
674
00:54:48,782 --> 00:54:51,615
OK, then that leaves
only one very important thing,
675
00:54:51,662 --> 00:54:54,222
which is, of course,
who's paying for dinner.
676
00:54:54,262 --> 00:54:56,253
North American, I guess.
677
00:54:57,062 --> 00:54:59,417
- That didn't take long.
- Wait, gentlemen.
678
00:54:59,462 --> 00:55:03,091
Before we go, Roger, Ed and I
have a little presentation
679
00:55:03,142 --> 00:55:05,451
we'd like to make to Joe and Stormy here.
680
00:55:05,502 --> 00:55:09,859
- Yeah?
- It's just a little something from us.
681
00:55:09,902 --> 00:55:12,541
From us to you.
A little something from the guys.
682
00:55:12,582 --> 00:55:17,212
- Plain brown paper. I'm a little nervous.
- Why am I frightened for my life?
683
00:55:17,262 --> 00:55:19,492
- Because you know us.
- Is it ticking?
684
00:55:19,542 --> 00:55:22,693
Probably designs for the power steering,
I'll bet.
685
00:55:24,742 --> 00:55:27,495
- Look at that.
- That's great.
686
00:55:28,542 --> 00:55:31,375
That's very funny, you guys. Thank you.
687
00:55:31,422 --> 00:55:34,220
- We have absolute faith in you.
- Yeah, right.
688
00:55:36,822 --> 00:55:39,814
- Thank you. That's very nice.
- Very touching
689
00:55:39,862 --> 00:55:44,697
"It isn't that we don't trust you, Joe, but
this time we've decided to go over your head."
690
00:55:52,022 --> 00:55:54,582
I got a call from some woman at NASA, Deke.
691
00:55:54,622 --> 00:55:58,410
They don't wanna call it Apollo 1
any more because it never flew.
692
00:55:58,462 --> 00:56:00,532
They're gonna call it Apollo 20...
693
00:56:00,582 --> 00:56:04,461
204. That was the internal designation.
694
00:56:05,182 --> 00:56:09,141
It's like they already want people
to forget it ever even happened.
695
00:56:12,302 --> 00:56:15,692
This is the reason
we wanted to see you, Deke.
696
00:56:18,742 --> 00:56:20,539
Open it.
697
00:56:25,942 --> 00:56:28,137
It's an astronaut pin.
698
00:56:31,302 --> 00:56:34,897
The guys knew you would never get
into space cos of your heart problem
699
00:56:34,942 --> 00:56:37,661
but they wanted you to know
they considered you
700
00:56:37,702 --> 00:56:40,091
as much of an astronaut as any of them.
701
00:56:42,142 --> 00:56:45,339
They were gonna give that to you
when they got back.
9999
00:00:0,500 --> 00:00:2,00
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