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I'm Richard Rudgley. I've made it my
business to delve into our past to try
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find out what makes us who we are today.
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And I've explored the Dark Ages and
found that our barbarian ancestors were
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mindless savages.
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Now I want to fill in one more critical
piece of the puzzle.
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We think that our lives are shaped by 2
,000 years of Roman and Christian
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tradition.
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But I've never really bought into this.
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For generations before the Romans came
along, we all lived in a very different
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world. And I believe this world still
plays a major part in who we are today.
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This is the world of the painting.
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If you say the word pagan, most people
can conjure up some pretty dark, scary
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and even horrifying images.
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But we were all pagans once.
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So is our pagan inheritance something we
should be ashamed of?
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I don't think so. I think they've had a
bad press.
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The word pagan just means country folk.
It was an insult coined by Romans and
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Christians to discredit those they
displaced, the outsiders who kept
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to their old ways.
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But the Romans and Christians didn't
just stick to insults. They waged a
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propaganda war, bad -mouthing everything
that was important in the pagan world
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by calling it lewd or dangerous.
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So if we're to understand what made
pagans tick, it's those things, the
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dangerous and shocking things that we
have to look at.
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To reveal the truth behind the
headlines, I'm going on a journey across
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Europe. to strip away 2 ,000 years of
propaganda.
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A good starting point is with the laws
passed by the Christians, and many of
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them target our pagan ancestors' close
relationship with the animal world.
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If anyone is dressing in the skin of a
wild animal and putting on the heads of
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beasts, penance for three years, because
this is devilish.
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So why were our pagan forebears dressing
up as animals?
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And what was wrong with it?
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My journey begins at the heart of
English paganism, Sutton Hoo, a burial
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for several generations of Anglo -Saxon
leaders.
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In the 7th century, most of Northern
Europe was still pagan.
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And in 625 AD, King Redwald, pagan
overlord of East Anglia, was buried
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He was buried with all the military
objects important to any warrior king.
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His sword and shield.
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His magnificent helmet.
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But there's something striking in his
grave.
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Everywhere there are pictures of
animals.
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One in particular that still stirs.
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A very basic fear in us.
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The wolf.
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You can see on the pursuit, wolf
flanking this human figure. And also the
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of a dynasty popularly associated with
Sutton, who the Wolfingers, or the
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Wolfingers, if you like, the kin of the
wolf, all combine with local folklore
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and stories about wolves helping people,
protecting people, to give the
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impression that the wolf was a very
important emblem.
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In the modern world, the wolf is still
an important emblem.
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But from Little Red Riding Hood to
American Werewolf in London, we see it
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big bad wolf, the embodiment of evil.
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The evidence at Sutton Hoo suggests
things were different for King Redwald.
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In pagan times, it was much more
ambiguous. The wolf was dangerous, but
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was also important, often something to
aspire to in certain situations.
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Whereas today, few people would aspire
to be a wolf.
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And if you did, you'd be looked at very
strangely.
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They were the sons of kings.
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Sigmundur and Sinfjotli put the skins on
and could not get them off.
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They were transformed into wolves.
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They howled like wolves.
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and both understood the meaning of their
howling.
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Evidence from across Europe shows
warriors dressing up as wolves.
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In the pagan world, this was a way of
taking on the power of the wolf, to make
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yourself a better and more feared
warrior.
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These are replicas of masks. They're
bestial in their appearance.
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And if you like, it's an aid, a visual
aid, not so that they would look like
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wolf. You're not basically dressing up
as a complete wolf to replicate the
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but you are helping your mind achieve
that best you'll stay. Would it be right
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to say that there's a connection here
between these guys imitating wolves and
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acting like wolves and our ideas about
werewolves?
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Possibly. Certainly the origins of that
idea come from these warrior societies
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mimicking animals, and that's clearly
related to part of a wider idea of
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and animals not being as separate as
they eventually become once Christianity
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sets in. And this is what Christianity
stressed, is that humans should be
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distancing themselves from what we can
term as the beast.
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The Christians used the pagans' affinity
with the animal world against them by
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calling them bestial or animalistic.
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This blackened the names of both pagans
and animals.
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Today, we would never identify with a
wolf in a positive way.
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We talk about someone wolfing their food
or being a lone wolf.
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But in the pagan world, there wasn't
this superior attitude.
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Their relationship with wild animals was
a positive thing.
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Dressing up to be like a wolf gave them
power.
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I think the reason for this is because
in pagan times, when they lived much
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closely with a wolf, they understood
this wild power much better, and it was
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something that they tapped into.
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But to us, it's still just a big, bad
wolf in the fairy tale to scare the
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children with. Now, why? I mean, they're
never going to meet a wolf except in
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the zoo.
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It wasn't my idea to do this, but
somehow I got talked into it.
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The production team decided that the way
to try and understand our pagan
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ancestors and their view of the world
was for me to get quite a lot more
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intimate with wolves myself.
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Would you prefer it if I went sort of
closer rather than yourself and sort of
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come up? Whatever you think.
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So with some trepidation, I was about to
find out what it felt like to be a
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pagan. by getting up close and personal.
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So if you sort of get into position,
what you're doing is you're kind of
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bouncing from side to side.
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Sean Ellis has spent the last 15 years
living with wolves and learning how to
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communicate with them.
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For the facial expression, what we look
at is we kind of pull the lips up over
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the front teeth and we kind of stick the
tongue through. That's what we're
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looking for. Lift the lips up over the
front teeth, try and keep the teeth...
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How close is he going to come?
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You'll probably find it'll come quite
close to you. Once we disappear out of
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way and he's got one -on -one, he'll
come quite close and try and take it
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you. He's already there now, licking the
lips. He's going to be quite up for
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this, don't worry.
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It's kind of squeezing them together, if
you can.
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That's it, you're getting there. That's
fine, yeah. As he's looking at me now,
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you turn and run. You'll probably get to
around about here, if you're lucky.
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OK, you should have it by then.
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Play boat.
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Yeah, face them side to side, and then
as soon as he comes in, just turn, run,
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and feed the rabbit in. You can't really
go wrong, mate, anyway, so, okay?
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Tonight, that's going to be you and I.
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Yours is going to be slightly higher
than mine.
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And as I stop, you come in. As you stop,
I'll come in.
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Spending the weekend with the pack made
me start to think that the notion of the
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Big Bad Wolf is as unfounded as the
notion of the Big Bad Pagan.
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When Sean lives with these wolves, they
very quickly start to assign him a rank.
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In the pack, every wolf has a place, and
they work together as a team.
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You would be tested through strength,
maybe even through speed, but it's
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just to place you within their group.
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Well, I think we know where that is.
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Right down there.
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It's kind of pretty near the bottom, if
not right down there. It's not a bad
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place to be, actually. They tend to look
after you very, very well indeed.
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The protection, their family orientation
is second to none.
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So the wolf just isn't the evil
stereotype of Christian fairy tales.
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Of course, Little Red Riding Hood should
have been wary of the wolf, but I now
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understand why pagan warriors would
also, have admired it.
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However, some Christians reported that
our pagan ancestors' passion for animals
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went beyond admiration into areas almost
too shocking to contemplate.
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In the 12th century, a Christian
propagandist called Gerald of Wales was
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travelling in Ireland.
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There, he claimed to witness the pagan
ceremony that beggars believe.
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It's one of the most shocking accounts
I've read in all my time as an
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anthropologist.
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What Gerald described was a man killing
a horse, bathing in its blood,
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and then serving it up as a Jew.
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But before all of this, in full view of
a crowd of people, he had sex with the
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animal.
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Wild sex.
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Bestiality.
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Exhibitionism.
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If this story's true, maybe we should
feel ashamed of our pagan past.
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But did anything like this really
happen?
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The record in Ireland is silent.
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But here in Norfolk, there's the
beginning of a trail to help me unravel
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truth behind this Christian scare story.
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This archaeological warehouse near
Norwich contains over 2000 boxes of
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remains.
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They come from Spong Hill, the largest
Anglo -Saxon cemetery ever excavated in
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Britain.
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These Anglo -Saxons were pagans and
rather than burying their dead, they
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them and put their ashes into urns.
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The decoration on the outside of some of
the urns is the first clue to
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understanding Gerald's story because it
shows that horses were of special
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importance to these people.
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This is one of the urns that was used
for burial.
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And you can see all around here, you can
see the horses.
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Almost as if they're galloping around.
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Fantastic. But what the decoration on
the outside didn't prepare Jackie for
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what she discovered when she examined
the contents of the urn. But what we've
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got here...
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Quite easily identifiable bits of human
bone. For instance, we have fragments of
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mandible, which is very easily
identifiable here. This bone here is far
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and far more robust. It's far thicker,
as you can see, than any of this bone
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here. It's quite a different element.
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And those are fragments of horse bone,
of horse long bone.
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So they were definitely mixed together
in this case? They were mixed together,
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but... You know, the horse is not just
in there by accident. This is a
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deliberate deposit, a deliberate burial
meant to be of that animal.
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Over half the cremation urns from Spong
Hill contain animal remains, and the
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horse is by far the most common of these
animals.
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Why?
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In life, horses were useful and a sign
of wealth and power.
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But the finds here suggest they were
important in death too.
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and combined with something central to
the pagan world, fire.
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Today, we shy away from facing death,
but the Anglo -Saxon cremation pyre
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that the pagans wanted to see the
transformation of the body into ashes.
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You'd see how people would be fascinated
by this. Because they didn't really,
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they didn't understand the chemistry of
it.
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Well, I don't either.
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I'm not sure I do, but...
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You know, looking at that, it is
visually so beautiful. Oh, yeah, you've
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got to look at it, haven't you? And it
looks like it's alive.
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It's hot. It is very, very hot, isn't
it?
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Yeah.
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Pagans believed that the fiery
transformation to ashes was a fast track
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next world.
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We can tell how important this was to
them because when Christians came along
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with a different view of the afterlife,
they labelled cremation as barbaric, and
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infernal. It was banned in Britain soon
after this time and only made legal
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again in the late 19th century.
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Had they seen what was happening at
Spong Hill the Christians would have
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even more shocked because here this
magical transformation had an extra
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The horse bones were not just mingled
with humans in the urns.
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They were actually burnt at the same
time on the pyre.
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In this pagan spectacle, human and
animal were symbolically fused.
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I think this might help explain Gerald's
story of a man having sex with a horse.
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The fusion of man and animal, not in
death, but in life.
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To stand any chance of getting to the
truth behind Gerald's account, we need
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see things as pagans saw them. We need
to get inside their minds.
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The pagan legacy here in Sweden goes
back much earlier than Spong Hill or
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Gerald's tabloid tale, but there's a
fascinating connection between the
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The people who lived here have left a
remarkable legacy, hundreds of stories
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carved in pictures on huge flat rocks.
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These pictures are tantalising clues to
how our pagan ancestors thought.
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Tell me what you see.
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Well, I see a man. Yeah.
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I think, with a sword.
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Yeah, perhaps.
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Well, I guess, and then, dare I say,
he's having sex with a horse.
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Yes, you dare.
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You dare say.
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Perhaps this is his arm, his hand.
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He's got a pretty long arm. Yeah, with a
whip or something, I don't know.
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He's whipping it as well. He's really a
bit strange guy, isn't he? Yes.
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The picture fits Gerald's story pretty
well, but it's the only one that's been
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found in the whole of pagan Europe so
far.
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Gerald the priest told his story in
horror to shock his readers.
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But at Tarnum, we see things from the
pagan point of view. If only we can
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decipher what they mean.
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So if you could help me, just try to
clear the leaves away.
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I promise you, you will see more of the
rubbing. Put the paper out. Today, we
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only see a small proportion of the rock
carvings in what was probably their
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original splendour, coloured in red.
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We'll have to take this.
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Oscar Fredl has gone to great lengths to
catalogue all the pictures.
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Let's have some magic.
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Including ones that are invisible to the
naked eye.
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Oh, see, look at that magic.
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Things are coming out here now.
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This looks like a human figure and maybe
here it's a... Has he got
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an erection?
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Yeah, it's a big one, but we don't know
if it's like... if they actually had
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these.
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Could be some kind of outfit or gear to
put on.
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What do you mean? What kind of gear?
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Like a loose... Like something to put
on, like in a costume.
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So you think this might not be his real
one? It might be a... Yeah, it might be
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a... No, yeah. I'm sure if you see some
of them, they can't be the real one.
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Yeah, they're exaggerating. Yeah,
they're exaggerating.
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A bit of artistic license.
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Although there is only one picture of a
man having sex with a horse, in the
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Tanim area alone there are roughly 150
pictures of men with erect penises or
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strap -on phalluses.
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So what do these pictures tell us about
what people were actually doing?
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Are they dirty Bronze Age cartoons, or
could they be records of real events?
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Oh, this is obviously the main one,
isn't it? Yeah, it is.
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Excavations in front of the rocks have
found evidence of fires and feasting.
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They show Tannum would have been the
site for big community festivals,
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theatrical events.
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So what have we got here, the usual
erect penises? What's going on there?
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but you find people dancing or moving.
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The pictures are scenes from these
performances, like photos of the cast.
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And the man with the big phallus seems
to have been quite a popular character.
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Most people today when they saw a
picture of an erect penis would
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think about sex But do you think that's
the way that they saw it?
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Actually, I don't think that's the way
they saw it. I think it's more of an
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attribute Like a symbol for something
like potency like a show -off
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This big man.
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I wondered if he'd drawn it after the
other one, say, you know, my one's
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than your one, including his axe as
well.
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Might be, but... These pictures are not
pornography.
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Big penises with symbols of power and
being man enough to have sex with a
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horse... ..would be the supreme
expression of male power.
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I was pretty sure that what Gerald saw
was more power trips than sexual
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deviancy, but I still needed proof.
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Here in the gold room in Stockholm are
the status symbols of the pagan elite
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from the Bronze Age to the time of the
Vikings.
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Their jewellery, expensive, intricate,
and often showing humans and animals
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together.
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I'd been promised these enigmatic finds.
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would give me the extra evidence I
needed to prove that what Gerald saw was
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ritual about power rather than proof of
pagan promiscuity.
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They turned out to be some of the
smallest clues I'd ever seen.
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Tiny gold images the size of a
fingernail. And they weren't all they
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Looks like a man and a woman kissing to
me, maybe a husband and wife. This one
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is not quite as clear, but is that the
same?
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Ingmarie Back -Danielson has studied
over 700 of these found across Sweden
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Denmark.
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But how are they going to help me?
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But if you look really closely, you can
actually see that it's not that very
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clear. Is it really a man and a woman?
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I think they're wearing masks.
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They're wearing masks.
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Yes, facial masks.
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Not very human -like at all.
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Almost a bit animal -like.
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So, what do we make of that? I mean,
that's a bit unusual, wearing masks like
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that. I mean, it seems a bit strange to
me. Well, it is strange to us. But you
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had several animal spirits that could
help you in different matters. And you
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donned jewellery or even your clothes
with certain aspects of that animal in
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order to get that animal's power.
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What the pictures show is something
called a sacred marriage, a ceremony in
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which a person mated with a piece of
land to stake their claim to it.
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In these ceremonies, the land would be
represented by a person in an animal
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mask.
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And where these tiny gold stamps were
found hints at not only what these
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ceremonies meant, but also who was
taking part in them.
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for they have all been discovered in the
foundations of royal palaces.
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I think you have to remember that these
items are made of gold and gold is not
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something that every man or woman had
access to. So they were used in order to
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explain the origin of the ruling couple.
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All the evidence I had seen pointed to a
long pagan tradition of theatrical
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spectacles.
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in which humans symbolically mingled and
even mated with animals.
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So although I think Gerald could have
seen a horse being killed, I think the
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show that went on before was just that,
a show.
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Just as the warrior drew strength and
knowledge from the wolf pack, so leaders
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asserted their power by mastering an
animal that represented potency and
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The horse.
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Now, this might sound a million miles
from today, but even in the modern
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horsepower is something we use as a
status symbol.
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A man demonstrating his wealth or sexual
prowess by the type of car he drives is
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directly echoing this pagan power
ritual.
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But we can't all have Ferraris, and what
I'm interested in is the Ford Fiestas
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of the pagan world.
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The normal people, the ones like us.
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And more specifically, the women, who
were often described by Christian
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propagandists as little better than
animals themselves.
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Pagans, the original sexy beasts.
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And pagan women, the wildest sexy beasts
of all.
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Depending on who you read, they spent a
lot of time with their kit off.
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flashed their genitals at cattle, and
weren't averse to pleasuring themselves
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with large stone dildos.
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But how do we separate fact from 2 ,000
years of Christian fiction?
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Here in Sweden there is a long tradition
of open sexuality, and it goes back at
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least to Viking times.
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We know a lot about people's everyday
lives in those days, because we can read
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them in intimate detail in the Viking
Saga.
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So as a little bit of extra research for
the programme, after a hard day's
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filming, I decided to have an early
night.
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What I like about the Norse stories and
poems is they seem to cover the whole
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range of life. I mean, there's stuff
here, for example, about love and sex,
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romance and marriage, which wouldn't be
out of place in a woman's magazine,
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although, of course, this is also great
poetry.
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But there are some things in here that
are pretty surprising.
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There's a story here about a horse's
penis, and everyone has to sing a little
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verse about what they're going to do
with it.
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So what really happened when a few
Viking women got together?
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Here's one part of it. Oh, no, it's...
Ah, here.
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It's, um...
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I've come here to Storholmen to see what
the Vikings got up to.
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If there's any in, that is.
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Hello! Well, in Sweden... Britta and
Mats are a one -off. They don't just
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the sagas, they try to live like them.
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They have left the 21st century, and for
the last decade have been building
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their own 10th century world, based on
what they have read.
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Havamal. or Sayings of the High One, is
a guide for how to live the good life,
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Viking style.
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By following the guidelines set out in
this particular book, Britta and Matt
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believe they have been able to tap into
the minds of our pagan ancestors.
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It's more like guidings, how to live
your life in the best way, how to treat
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other people, how to treat yourself,
actually, and how to make the best out
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things. I do the countdown now. OK, OK.
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Three, two, one. By living by the book,
Britta and Mats have learned not to be
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turned off by seeing life and death in
all its gory detail.
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They make work fun by peppering it with
games and have a few practical ways of
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testing the worth of a partner.
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And I win.
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Yeah.
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It's not much to have. No muscles at
all. It seems pretty obvious stuff, but
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adds up to an interesting bigger
picture.
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of a pagan world where boundaries were
not as defined as they are today, where
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the lines between humans and animals, or
work and play, were blurred.
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Britta's experience has led her to a
pragmatic conclusion about some of the
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lewd stories in the Thargos,
particularly my famous horse penis
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Often when...
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historians or archaeologists should
interpret such things. They say, it's
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mysterious, it's a wreath, it's about
fertilization. And yeah, probably it is.
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But if you were holding a penis in your
hand, it would be a lot of laughing.
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And I think it was like...
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Like party feeling, not like, I'm
holding a penis.
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You don't think it was a serious
symbolic ritual?
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Well, maybe both. When we think back in
time, we tend to separate it as we do.
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Religion here.
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Of course, penis there.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And, you know, handicraft here.
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Yeah, but it was all one part of one
whole.
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Yeah, of course it was.
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Our pagan ancestors, unlike the
Christians who displaced them, didn't
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in terms of opposite, good and evil,
civilized and wild, sacred and profane.
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And this is reflected not only in the
sagas, but in some of the objects they
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left behind.
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These three are just a little selection
of the pagan statuettes that may have
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something to do with sex.
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And if we were to interpret them in our
own way, in a modern way, we'd simply
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say, okay, this is a topless dancer with
a miniskirt, here's a woman flashing
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her boobs, and here's a man sitting down
with an erection.
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But is it really that simple?
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Well, it probably isn't, because I don't
think the pagans would have seen these
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in quite the same light we do today.
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Because for us, Sex is very much
something apart from religion and
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life. It's sort of got its own little
bit at the side. But sex was part of
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life, obviously, but it was also part of
their spiritual life. They didn't cut
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the two apart.
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The fact that pagan women talked about
sex and were portrayed as being sexy
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doesn't automatically mean that they
were the harlots of Christian
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In their world, sexiness was a force for
good.
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Why?
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The answer can be found in the grave of
a young woman across the water in
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Denmark.
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In 1370 BC, a teenage girl was buried in
a tree -trunk coffin.
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A quirk of chemistry has meant that her
clothing has been completely preserved.
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It is the best -kept outfit ever found
by archaeologists, and it provides us
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with a unique opportunity to learn
something about the morals of pagan
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Around her waist is a belt with a large
bronze disc.
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The skirt is made of a row of strings
that would open up as she moved.
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She has nothing on underneath.
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The egg -fed girl makes the Bronze Age
very familiar to us.
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Her outfit would not be out of place on
a young girl today.
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You were the first one to actually put
it on and try doing different things in
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it. Annie Brugger has worn an exact
replica and seen what you can and can't
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in it.
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It is both difficult and revealing to
bend down, so any kind of work in the
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fields would be out.
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But there's one thing you can do in it.
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And that's done.
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So would you let your daughter go out in
this costume on a Saturday night?
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No, indeed not.
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This is a very special costume.
429
00:34:01,010 --> 00:34:06,790
It's not for every young girl. So it
wouldn't be what the typical teenage...
430
00:34:06,810 --> 00:34:07,810
indeed not.
431
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:14,159
A special costume for dancing and even
more special for fertility dancing.
432
00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:19,239
This belt was like the sun and the point
of the dancing was to make the rays of
433
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,500
the sun bounce off it.
434
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:27,460
When she's spinning around, she's
receiving the sun and she's spreading it
435
00:34:27,580 --> 00:34:33,739
And she even put seed out of here and
stamp it down.
436
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,900
The egg -fed girl's outfit is not any
sexy, but seems to draw the gaze
437
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:40,560
deliberately towards her womb.
438
00:34:42,139 --> 00:34:46,520
So was this not just about her
sexuality, but also her fertility.
439
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:54,440
The tree trunk coffin doesn't just
contain a sexy girl. There are other
440
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,438
in here as well.
441
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,380
A cattle hide and pollen, both symbols
of fertility.
442
00:35:00,330 --> 00:35:05,170
and most curiously, a small bag
containing the burnt remains of a child.
443
00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:11,310
One of the reasons why I think we should
think of her as a sexual being, as it
444
00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:15,150
were... At first, it looked like the egg
-fed girl could have been the mother,
445
00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:22,170
but DNA testing has put her age at 15
and the young child at six, so this
446
00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:23,210
highly improbable.
447
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,240
And because the child is cremated,
whilst the egg -fed girl and her outfit
448
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,520
intact, it seems that the child's
presence too is symbolic.
449
00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:38,900
Everything points to the egg -fed girl
being special for the fertility of the
450
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:39,900
whole community.
451
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:44,280
Not because she was promiscuous, but
because she was a virgin.
452
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,800
The point may be that she was sexually
very provocative.
453
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,180
highly sexually charged, but at the same
time virgin, so that she couldn't be
454
00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:55,720
touched. You know, to be virgin is to be
pure, but at the same time it's to have
455
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,600
this dangerous power all locked up
inside you, waiting to explode out, as
456
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,600
were.
457
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,580
Whilst Christians view virginity as good
because sex is bad, pagans saw
458
00:36:07,580 --> 00:36:09,620
virginity as a sexual time bomb.
459
00:36:11,140 --> 00:36:15,120
And in their world, sex, and flaunting
it, was a good thing.
460
00:36:16,330 --> 00:36:20,850
We have to think of the pagan past where
fertility, reproductive capacity is
461
00:36:20,850 --> 00:36:24,710
something which is bound up with the
survival of the community, whether it's
462
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:26,450
people, whether it's crops, whether it's
animals.
463
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:33,310
And so what to us may seem permissive is
again to do with the success of the
464
00:36:33,310 --> 00:36:36,510
community and its sexuality is going to
be the key to that success.
465
00:36:43,820 --> 00:36:48,060
What the egg -fed girl gives us is a
glimpse into a society that treasured
466
00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:53,540
young women and valued the power of
female sexuality just as much as it
467
00:36:53,540 --> 00:36:54,840
the power of its men.
468
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,460
So yes, it's easy to portray pagan women
as a bunch of orgiastic harlots, but
469
00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:03,780
this would be to miss the point.
470
00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:09,400
Just as Gerald of Wales missed the point
when he witnessed the horse ritual.
471
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,160
In sharp contrast to the picture painted
by their Christian rivals, our pagan
472
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,620
ancestors belonged to a highly moral and
spiritual society.
473
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,380
But my rehabilitation of our pagan
ancestors was about to be seriously
474
00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:33,980
challenged by a recent discovery in
Estonia, the death house.
475
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,280
I'm on a journey across northern Europe,
uncovering the truth about our pagan
476
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,280
past.
477
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:45,920
It wasn't all sex, animals and wild
abandon.
478
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:51,780
It seems that wherever the Christians
displaced the pagans, they left a trail
479
00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:52,880
bigotry and propaganda.
480
00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:55,940
But what about when it came to death?
481
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,760
They cut off their stomachs.
482
00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:14,540
and tore out the hearts from their
living bodies.
483
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:20,640
Then they divided the hearts, cooked
them on the fire, and ate them.
484
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,120
I had every horror cliché in my head as
I was driven through the wilds of
485
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,120
Estonia.
486
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,180
I was being taken to a place I'd heard
referred to as the death house.
487
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,720
I felt like I was entering a 70s flasher
movie.
488
00:39:09,230 --> 00:39:13,010
Nearly 2 ,000 years ago, this area was
prime farming land.
489
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:16,890
Antonia was the site of a prosperous
settlement.
490
00:39:19,330 --> 00:39:23,590
But this spot here had something more
surprising in store for archaeologists.
491
00:39:27,790 --> 00:39:29,150
So how old is this?
492
00:39:31,530 --> 00:39:36,870
It's mostly from the 2nd up to the 4th
century AD, this particular
493
00:39:38,670 --> 00:39:40,050
The second to the fourth century.
494
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:49,710
When excavation started, Marika Magi
thought she had found the foundations of
495
00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:51,270
house. I can show you if you want.
496
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:56,930
OK. But when she removed the limestone
floor, she was forced to think again. I
497
00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:58,050
think it was here.
498
00:39:59,950 --> 00:40:02,530
Staring straight at her was the gull of
a woman.
499
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,200
When she dug some more, she found that
the skull was framed in a small stone
500
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,200
box.
501
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,880
As she excavated further to try to find
the rest of the skeleton, she realised
502
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,860
she was standing on the chopped up
remains of more than one person.
503
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:31,300
After collecting the bones together, she
calculated there could be as many as 13
504
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:32,340
people in here.
505
00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:35,190
So what was going on?
506
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:40,450
The bones we found here, they were not
bones of the whole skeleton.
507
00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:45,390
And not only that, but many of them had
been broken intentionally, probably
508
00:40:45,390 --> 00:40:46,510
during the ritual.
509
00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:49,410
And would you like me to show you some
of the bones?
510
00:40:49,630 --> 00:40:55,150
Sure, yeah. Why would they have broken
them? They tried to kill the bones even.
511
00:40:55,490 --> 00:40:56,510
To kill the bones?
512
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:57,990
Make sure they were dead.
513
00:40:58,210 --> 00:41:02,830
To make it absolutely sure the body is
completely destroyed.
514
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:10,360
Next to this house is a series of
mysterious pits, at the bottom of which
515
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,760
fragments of human bone.
516
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,380
It seems the bodies were either being
stored or even cut into pieces here.
517
00:41:18,860 --> 00:41:25,600
The dead bodies can just be buried first
on the ground somewhere else and after
518
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,940
some period, perhaps a year or
something, dug up and cooked, for
519
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,580
Cooked? Yes.
520
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,180
Any particular reason?
521
00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:37,240
For defleshing the bones.
522
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:43,140
Because otherwise it's not very easy,
actually, to cut the flesh off from the
523
00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:47,840
bones. But it must be hard to cook one
of your relatives or something.
524
00:41:48,180 --> 00:41:53,280
It depends how you get on with your
relatives, but for most situations. It
525
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,140
something which was necessary for
entering the other world and very
526
00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:02,240
and probably not as disgusting as it
would be for present people.
527
00:42:03,310 --> 00:42:08,050
In the 21st century, we're really very
squeamish about death and dead bodies.
528
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:10,890
But for these people, death was not the
end.
529
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:19,150
And their belief about what happened
afterwards fundamentally affected their
530
00:42:19,150 --> 00:42:22,050
attitude to the human body, alive or
dead.
531
00:42:26,310 --> 00:42:32,880
Digging up particular bones, defleshing
them and reburying them, was a way of
532
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,300
helping their loved ones get to the next
world.
533
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,180
Our pagan ancestors also believed it
enabled them to revisit this world.
534
00:42:45,340 --> 00:42:49,880
They were comfortable with the idea of
ghosts and spirits in a way that we are
535
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,460
not. They even had a special date in the
calendar when the door between this
536
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:56,920
life and the next was left open.
537
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,580
The Night of the Living Dead was a
joyous occasion, but now it's become the
538
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:04,140
fright night that is Halloween.
539
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,300
After a day in the death house trying to
keep my own squeamishness in check, I
540
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:16,060
decided to treat myself to some well
-earned relaxation.
541
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:22,780
A sauna, Estonian style.
542
00:43:23,420 --> 00:43:26,560
I'd heard they could be pretty racy
places in pagan times.
543
00:43:29,730 --> 00:43:33,510
The bread of love, the bread of joy.
544
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:36,450
I whip you with the wolf's tail.
545
00:43:36,910 --> 00:43:39,010
I whip you with the fox's tail.
546
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:43,450
May the boys love you as much as the
wolf loves the lamb.
547
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,280
Archaeologists believe the smoke sauna
has existed in Estonia for at least 2
548
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,420
,000 years and was the focal point of
pagan life.
549
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:03,740
It was used as a source of hot water and
peace and quiet when a woman gave
550
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:04,740
birth.
551
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:07,640
So it doesn't look much like a modern
sauna.
552
00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:09,660
It's quite different.
553
00:44:10,060 --> 00:44:14,300
And as Ritaime casually mentioned to me
on the way in, it was also in its own
554
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:15,940
way a kind of death house.
555
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,240
Until the last century, it was here that
corpses were laid out before they were
556
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:22,240
buried.
557
00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:24,380
I couldn't wait to get in there.
558
00:44:24,780 --> 00:44:26,180
This is the changing room.
559
00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:29,460
It's a mixed changing room. Is that
normal in the sauna?
560
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Yes, it is normal, because in old times
there was no question if people had
561
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,960
naked bodies.
562
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,460
And it was no problem to go to a sauna
mixed.
563
00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:46,630
I'd learned that pagans had a very
different attitude to the body after
564
00:44:48,450 --> 00:44:52,150
And it was clear also they had a
completely down -to -earth attitude to
565
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:53,230
naked body in life.
566
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:55,630
It was no big deal.
567
00:44:56,430 --> 00:44:57,430
Do you want a towel?
568
00:44:58,030 --> 00:44:59,030
Yes, please.
569
00:44:59,690 --> 00:45:01,350
So what's the temperature going to be
like?
570
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:04,370
It's not that hot, at least not for
Estonians.
571
00:45:05,710 --> 00:45:07,410
Do you think I can't take the heat?
572
00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:08,650
No.
573
00:45:08,810 --> 00:45:12,430
I was just beginning to relax when Rick
brought out the bird twigs.
574
00:45:14,890 --> 00:45:16,770
This is a sledge mower.
575
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:23,870
And the symbolic part of this twig is
that it symbolizes the green power or
576
00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:24,890
power of life.
577
00:45:25,290 --> 00:45:30,570
So it was thought that with the contact
of the body, the body would take over
578
00:45:30,570 --> 00:45:32,270
all this energy that is in there.
579
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,460
And so people would either hit
themselves with this or hit the other
580
00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:41,040
the sauna with this? Yes, and everybody
told thank you for hitting.
581
00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:42,380
Oh, OK.
582
00:45:43,660 --> 00:45:44,660
Thank you.
583
00:45:44,740 --> 00:45:48,660
Is it harder the better, or...? It all
seemed pretty civilised, actually.
584
00:45:49,820 --> 00:45:54,300
And this talk of the power of life
seemed a direct echo of the pagan world,
585
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:59,900
which constantly looked to nature for
strength, for guidance, for prosperity.
586
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:09,710
So this playful sauna ritual between
older and younger women may seem a bit
587
00:46:09,710 --> 00:46:13,910
risque, but seen through pagan eyes,
it's actually just another way of
588
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:15,650
celebrating the power of fertility.
589
00:46:17,090 --> 00:46:21,430
It struck me that the sauna sums up what
pagan life was actually all about.
590
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:26,150
But when Christianity came along, all
that changed.
591
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:31,610
People became animalised in the sense
that...
592
00:46:32,330 --> 00:46:38,870
It was thought that there is some hidden
animal instinct in a person that can
593
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:42,530
just come out without any warning.
594
00:46:48,930 --> 00:46:54,050
The idea that being open about our
bodies and sexuality is a bestial or
595
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:58,350
animalistic thing is the major
disservice that Christianity has done to
596
00:47:04,330 --> 00:47:08,350
It's at the root of a lot of the angst
that we feel in the modern world today.
597
00:47:11,890 --> 00:47:18,890
In fact, the last 2 ,000 years of anti
-pagan propaganda have all
598
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:23,910
been about distancing ourselves from the
animal world, demonising it and
599
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:25,870
suppressing our natural affinity with
it.
600
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,220
But in spite of this, I believe our
pagan past is still very much a part of
601
00:47:33,220 --> 00:47:34,220
we are today.
602
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,380
Scratch the surface and it's there. Our
wild side. Our beast within.
603
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,140
And I think that's a pretty good thing.
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