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Tonight, the dramatic conclusion of the
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City

reunion. Lisa accused you of docking
Jen's house.

You're a fucker with four kids and
single. Why are you driving by Jen's

Jen gave you the black eye.

Tell us how it happened.

Lisa, when was the last time you did
your own makeup?

2019. Lisa, you do know that's
insecurity, right?

What was the initial point of reality,
Vontaze? It was to expose Jen.

You are not a hero in this, Monica.

I'm kind of amazed that you're so
surprised that they're pissed off by

really am.

You are? Because they were such big fans
of the page.

This is ridiculous.

The expressions that Meredith has been
giving me for this reunion.

Are you mad at me? Mad at you? Not at
all. You've been giving me the stink eye

for like two hours.

I'm sitting here. I'm like, she's
quitting the show. She's miserable.

Everything's great.

That's not my language. Usually that
happens at Jersey reunions, not at Salt

Lake City. But here we are.

Anyway. Everybody, we're back in five.

Welcome back. I'm Andy Cohen here with
the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

From a game of kick the housewife off
the wagon to a real mixed bag of a drag

competition. When this group plays
games, they tend to start off warm and

and quickly snowball into something cold
and prickly.

Let's take a look.

Uh -oh. We are doing a drag -inspired
makeup competition.

Take our makeup off?

Yes. No.

This is fucking torture.

My makeup artist is on retainer. I hate
getting dressed up. I hate it.

We definitely know now.

Yeah. It's been confirmed. I have glam
in Monaco. I have glam in Saint -Tropez.

I have glam everywhere I go. This is not
good.

Not a good look.

I don't know. It's bothering me. I don't
like it.

But the one that's the nastiest to
women. So, Monica, you would have to go.

my God. You're so nasty.

No, I'm not. You really... I'm honest.
There's a difference.

That's not honest.

There's not a difference.

You like my voice so much, you like to
use it all the time. I love that. I hate

your voice so much, actually. It's
really twang.

Monica, it was just a game.

No one has ever... It's better than 55
acting like Skype still.

You've got to stop with that. You've got
to be smarter when you argue.

You're not really good at arguing.

Can we just, like, give credit to
Meredith that she shook the butter the

time? She made butter.

She actually made butter.

And she sent me restaurant pictures of
her presenting her homemade butter to be

served to her. I took her to a variety
of restaurants and asked them to plate

and serve it, and they did.

Is it possible to serve this country
butter that I've personally churned?

Didn't it melt on the way to the
restaurant? No.

Monica, why did you take it so
personally when Lisa kicked you off her

Did you expect me to keep you on it? I
didn't expect you to keep me on it. It

was your monologue bullshit that I
didn't like. I'm answering the question.

Lisa, when was the last time you did
your own makeup?

Probably 2019.

You have a...

makeup artist on retainer every day
every day every day no matter where

going no it's not john barlow no matter
where i'm going i have glam every day do

they touch you up throughout the day no
just one one glam and go glam and glam

and go And I'll have it until I die.

Lisa, you do know that's insecurity,
right?

No, it's not insecurity.

It's what I like. She also can't see.
Yeah, you know what? I actually can't

that great.

No,

I literally can't see to do my own
makeup. Like, it would kill me. But I

want to. Like, I told John, I'm like,
I'm going to die with glam and draped in

diamonds. Those are my thing.

Monica, how long have you been
practicing your Lisa Barlow impression?

You nailed it at Pioneer Day.

Shut up.

Honestly. Well, clearly.

You are seriously so obsessed with me
thinking I'm obsessed with you. I'm not.

Your voice is just so easy to do. Oh, my
God.

Like, it's all we hear. All the, Monica,
Monica.

Oh, my God. I barely talked to you.
Like, it's literally just a low voice. I

barely talked to her. And draw your A's
out. Not bad.

It's pretty easy. I like my voice, too.
Yeah. Was that a good impression?

It's close. It's close?

Speaking of impressions, Meredith, you
shut up.

Your Whitney impression.

It creeps me out to get in trouble with
someone else.

Like to me, a bath is for me.

Can you give me a little of it? I don't
know. It's so hard to do it all on the

spot like this.

No, it isn't. I think Meredith is the
best.

It's so easy, Meredith.

Meredith. Is that how I sound?

Yeah.

Oh, my gosh. I don't think that's right.
Oh, God. To me, you do. Angie, I hear

you do a good Meredith impression.

Oh, Lord.

Heather, Leah from West L .A. said,
Heather, Mary dissing your necklace at

Opere No Ski event was classless, but
her body -shaming comments on Watch What

Happens Live about Gucci not making a
size 14 were disgusting.

Mary, did Heather get it right with this
Gucci top and chain necklace?

No. No? I don't think Gucci makes that.

Okay, you think it's a fake?

I do.

I've never seen a core skate in like a
size 14.

Oh!

I haven't looked.

Oh, the horse kitten? Okay, yeah. I
mean, okay.

Mary caused me. Okay.

Of the two of you spoken, since that
comment, if not, Heather, what do you

to say to Mary now about it? Yeah, we've
spoken, and she said she didn't mean it

that way. I was not body shaming her at
all. That didn't even come to my mind.

That was not my point.

I have no reason to do that.

And I think she looks really good,
especially today. I guess she shamed me.

Because she looks great. Oh, that's
nice. That's nice, Mary. Thank you.

before I let you go, I have to say you
were some great comedic relief.

I got a lot to take out.

Good. I'm wondering, what do you think
your future with the group is? I mean,

when you look back on it, would you want
to be a part of it again?

What do you think?

I'm just going to continue being me.

Yeah.

People are willing to open up and accept
me in this group, as a group. Maybe I

would. But as long as that push out,
like Whitney acts like she's terrified

me, which she's not. She's always got
something to say. I was always, in the

beginning, scared of disappointing you.

Disappointed me? How? The fear that you
were feeling isn't fear because I'm not

scared of you.

I was always scared of upsetting you.

Why? How's that would ever develop into
a friendship? Because what comes out of

your mouth after.

What do you mean what comes out of my
mouth after? That means you don't know

If you knew me, like, Meredith, are you
afraid of me? You would say mean things

to me. Monica, are you afraid of me? And
in fact, Mary and I, maybe not on

camera, but we have had words before.

Navigate it, and it's done in two
seconds flat, and we do fine.

So maybe I can give you guys some
lessons on how to navigate, Mary.

Right. Well, Mary, it was great to see
you.

Thank you, Andy. Thank you for coming.
Thank you.

Andy, that was good.

Okay, we're going to let Mary go.

Thank you.

And a bathroom break?

I mean, I guess you could very quickly.
We have this whole Bermuda segment.

I'm very quick. Go, go, go. Are we going
to the restroom? Bye, Mary. Bye.

What are we doing? Are you helping me?

You're so strong. Thank you.

Andy, bye.

Bye.

I'll talk to you. You didn't have to get
up.

Bye, beautiful.

Love you, too.

You got this. You're good.

Thanks.

Coming up next, Monica, we have not
heard your side of the story.

You've been accused of being a troll
account.

that has come after everyone in this
room.

Are you Reality Von Teese?

We are back

with the Real Housewives of Salt Lake
City reunion.

This season, the ladies had their first
international vacation to Bermuda. But

mysterious messages and mafia
allegations quickly turned this girl...

And the most shocking mystery

of all was, and still remains, who is
the real Monica? Let's watch.

About a week ago...

Merida talked to me about how she
believes that Angie is in the Greek

then I started getting DMs about Angie.

Total bullshit.

Here we go again. Monica gets DM'd all
these documents.

It's saying that you're part of a mafia.
And I said, that's Meredith DMing you.

She is constantly threatening my family,
my reputation.

Google my family. There is not a shit on
the Katzen Davis family.

Do you hear me? I'm saying you sent the
DM. You're fucking classless. I'm trying

to process all this because there's a
lot of elements here that aren't adding

up. We absolutely had a conversation
about her being in the mafia.

You told me, Monica.

Meredith, stop lying.

Enough. Stop lying. I'm not lying.
You're lying. Say, I fucked up and we

move on. You fucked up.

Hey, are you kidding me right now?
Monica is not who she says she is. Who

really are is the cyber bully, internet
troll, reality Von Tief.

That's not true. True entirely.

I have your perfect formula.

Resuits, proof, timeline, screenshots,

fucking everything to prove that you are
a fucking bully and a fucking troll and

you do not deserve to be at this table
or anywhere near any of us for the way

you've treated us. I don't think you
understand something about this group.

We are friends and we have been through
this bullshit before.

I ate shit every day for her. I went on
book tour and defended her for the fact

that she gave me a black eye.

I've had to ride hard for her. All of us
covered her. Every single one. We all

did. We're not going to do it again with
you. Your invites rescinded. Pack your

bags and go.

Okay. We have a lot to discuss.

Monica, we have not heard your side of
the story. You've been accused of being

troll account on social media that has
come after

everyone in this room.

Are you Reality Von Teese?

I am part of the page, yeah.

You are? Mm -hmm.

I did not set up the account. I didn't
name the account or open the account.

Were you posting things under that
handle? Yes. Did you post as Reality

Yes. Not all of them, but yes. How long
were you posting under that account

name? It started in 2021.

Okay. So the show was on the air. You
were working for Jen?

No. You had already given your evidence
against Jen at that time.

I don't know if I had given my evidence
yet. I mean, had you given your

statement against Jen at that time? Yes.
You had.

What was the initial point of reality,
Vontaze? Was it to get back at Jen?

It was to expose Jen. It was to expose
Jen.

It was to expose the truth of how she
was treating her employees, and that's

what it was.

And then you started including things
about the other...

Housewives of Salt Lake City? Okay, I
don't feel like that page was made for

talking shit on these ladies. I honestly
feel like that page did not come for

any of them.

Now, do you have documentation of things
that were posted by this account?

That physically hurt me?

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. They're still
up.

They're calling me a tranny twin.

What are you talking about? That's
currently up there right now. You posted

multiple, multiple times. I didn't post
that one.

Manatee. We were sticking up in your
defense. Every person on this couch can

through and give you about 10 personal
examples.

Explain to me how this works.

How what works? The internet?

No.

Explain to me. I just want to know what
level we start at. No, explain to me the

posting, the tagging, because I can't
tell.

I mean, what's been generated by this
page and what's been reposted by this

page? What's the difference?

Actually, why don't you just go to the
Instagram page? So it's Reality Von

2? Because the first one got shut down
for cyberbullying. Okay. That's not why

it got shut down. Why did it get shut
down? Because of the cease and desist

her attorney? No, we didn't care about
that because we knew that we had facts

and we did nothing wrong.

It is facts. It's not her attorney. I
didn't. call her that. We need to make

that very clear. You know what? You did,
because it's posted and it's live on

Instagram right now, so you can... We
were posting Jen saying it. Well, thank

you. Thank you for being a courier of
horrible lies and shit about me, and

you for putting it out there. It wasn't
a lie. It was Jen telling you an awful

name. We were trying to expose how
abusive she was to you. Do you not

that? You are not a hero in this,
Monica.

You are not a hero. I don't care. I'm
fine being the villain in your story,

Heather, because you're the clowns in
mine.

Okay, so here's something.

Y 'all's grandma is still pretending she
can get a black D.

I did not say that. Yes, you did. Yes,
you did. It came straight from your

phone. You did.

That doesn't mean that I wrote it. But
you posted it. It doesn't matter if you

write it. You posted it. Okay, I've
actually. I'm more hurt by the text

exchanged between her. That doesn't even
sound like me. That's not me. It sounds

exactly like you.

That sounds like Jen.

You reposted that over and over and over
and over and over again. Who?

Reality Von Teese reposted it? Can I see
that? Every day I got tagged. Can I see

that? Well, they disappear after 24
hours, but I can show you how many times

tagged me. If they were in our stories,
then they would be in our highlights

because we had like a 500 highlights.
You have your DM from Reality Von Teese.

Post that shit on Whitney. Show me that.
We were tagged.

Every day. I want to see how much. Here
we go.

Watch how simple this is. Yes, because
we wanted you guys to see. I'm not

denying any of that.

It's literally so deceptive to not know
that it was you. Okay, so here's the

thing. I will say that. It's weird. This
is, so reality, Vontaze, this is like.

hundreds of tags that she was tagged for
three years.

It wasn't three years. It was done in
2021.

So it was two years. Wait, look at when
it was started. You can see that when

the Instagram account was started. We
know when it got started because it's

March 2nd.

I'll tell you the exact date. Why did I
give her a platform for it? It's

ridiculous. This is a bully and a troll.

I don't deserve a platform?

Bullies don't deserve a platform.

I want to be crystal clear.

Hold on.

Okay. This is not interesting.

I went through this. I am not interested
in that. I went through this for three

years. Do you think I want to see a
burn? Yes.

Yes. Okay.

I'm not doing it. Okay. Yeah.

Why give her the platform for it? It's
ridiculous. This is a bully and a troll.

Okay. Look.

Oh, Andy.

This is not interesting.

I am not interested in that. I went
through this for three years. Do you

want to see a burn book?

Wow. So is this the worst of what you
did?

You saved it in the scrapbook? Or is
this the meanest thing about it?

It's full of everything.

Okay, let's see. Full of receipts.

Okay, that's me.

Oh, this is cute.

Fucks the other half of New York is
Andy.

Yes, it's a burn book. It's supposed to
be funny. You don't have to take it so

serious, Heather. This girl is the
nastiest skank bitch I've ever met. It's

about herself.

I'm doing myself, okay?

Relax. So you made this up about Lisa
Lee is a materialistic little bitch?

That's like my word picture.

Biatch. What is the purpose of this
book? Because it starts out as a joke.

a joke. You make a joke of the mean
book. But now what I'm seeing is that

Hold on.

You've now posted...

Everything that Reality Von Teese... I
printed off. You printed out their

grid. And what is this supposed to
prove? It's a tranny twin.

Oh, that's... It sounds like in trying
to expose Jen, what you did was hurt all

of them. You did. If...

Hold on. If Jen called her that and you
guys posted it, what you're doing is

perpetuating something mean about her.
Okay, so can I go through this real

quick? Yes. Okay. Tell me how it's
helpful blasting out into the world

about them that is horrible. What if we
retweeted everything your mom said about

you every single day?

Well, I mean, honestly, my mom already
did that, so... Yeah, but you don't see

how it impacts us. It impacts you when
your mom does it. I literally just said

that I know how that hurts you, but I'm
not telling you that wasn't... You guys

aren't listening, so... Well, they are.
They're... I mean... No, they're not.

How were you helping us?

We were trying to get it out how awful
she was. I am sorry that that ended up

hurting you. It's not just me. It hurt
everyone on this couch. I gotta tell you

something.

I'm kind of amazed that you're so
surprised that they're pissed off by

really am.

You are? Because they were such big fans
of the page.

Who was a fan of the page? Who was a fan
of the page? You guys all were. No, we

were not. No, we were not. You called me
a fuckface stink bitch when I

unfollowed. This one's from Angie.

When that was exposed on the page, it
was the best fucking day of my life. So

what? Did you post positive things about
these women?

We did post positive things about the
women. Okay.

We did try and support them. We did say
nice things.

What? Because it's one out of 10 ,000.
You're not a hero.

Based on the things she wrote, she did
not like any of us. So why do you want

be our friend? Why do you want to be
here with us? Because based on

you wrote, you fucking hate us. So
Monica, answer Lisa's question.

Do you want to be their friends or do
you want to be on the show?

I think both can be true, to be
completely honest. You want to be their

Yeah, I genuinely feel bad because
truly... I don't think you do, but

fine. What is wrong with me wanting to
sit on this couch? You don't think I

belong here, right? Because that is what
you have said several times. That's not

a crime. I've never said that.

Guess what? I want you to get the... I
don't feel safe staying at the couch

you. Okay, then leave.

No, you leave. You get the fuck out of
here.

Her plotting to get on the show is not a
crime.

That's not a crime. You going against
all of us is the crime. If you were so

noble in your actions, then why didn't
she tell us all to begin with? Why

she say, I had your backs. I'm here for
you guys. I love you guys. She would

have fled with that. You would have fled
with that. You didn't lead with that.

You got busted and you fucking had to
cover your ass. I did not get busted. I

knew from the jump that this was going
to come out.

If you knew it was going to come out,
why not lead with it? You clearly led

the story about having the affair with
your brother -in -law.

Because when we made this page, we said
to the grave, and it wasn't just me.

There were other people involved.

Wait, let's talk about the involvement
of the page and some of the videos that

got leaked. How did you get those
videos? Because I know how you got those

videos. The same way you knew I was
going to meet Snoop Dogg with my friend.

I work hard so I can have anything I
want. If you're going to judge me, I

you to judge everybody here in this
room. But they're not all like, oh, I'm

getting on a private jet with Snoop
Dogg.

I didn't say that to you. I've never
said that to you.

That's not true, so I never said that to
you. You're making shit up now. You

made that up. Okay, Lisa.

Monica, that never happened. You're
lying.

I know how you got that information.
How? Because she logged in.

into their security system and was
watching them for months. It was my

system. No, I was not. It's not your
security system. Yes, it was. You can

on a dick.

Lisa, what are you accusing her of
doing? You logged into Jen and Cherie's

security system. I didn't log in. It was
mine. You set up Jen's security

cameras. She asked me to put it in my
name, yes.

You had ability to watch Jen in her home
and hear what she was saying, is what

you're saying.

If I wanted to, yeah. So that's how you
found out about the Snoop Dogg thing?

And that's where you got the video of
Jen yelling at Koa. No, I recorded that

my phone.

No, we have it on here. I recorded it on
my phone. You recorded it from the

security system and you don't want to be
sued by my company. You're mad at me

for recording Jen throwing shit at human
beings and you are mad at Jen for doing

it? No. Do you hear yourself? No, you're
disgusting for doing that. Jen's not

here. That's not an issue.

Hey, you guys are all talking at once.
You're all talking at once.

Lisa accused you of kind of stalking
Jen's house and driving by a lot. You

Did you do that? You were stalking Jen.

I did. I stalked Jen. Driving by her
house two or three times.

Oh, my God. You're a mother with four
kids and single. Why are you driving by

Jen's house?

I never fucking hid that shit.

I never hid that shit.

You're sick.

You're sick. You have four kids and
you're in the backseat of your car while

you're doing drive -by. I don't fucking
talk about my kids. I don't ever talk

about yours. Keep my fucking kids out of
your car. How do you define stalking?

How do you define stalking? You did.

How do you define stalking? I think that
stalking is when you are repeatedly

doing things in front of their house.
No.

When you are sitting there over and over
and you are going to her house. I never

did anything to her house. I never put
anything. I didn't step foot anywhere

near it. Nothing.

Oh my God. Driving by someone's house is
not stalking. You don't live by Jen.

when you're 12, not when you're 16, not
when you're 40.

No, not when you're 12. Shut up, Lisa.

Not when you're 40. You have four kids
at home and you're a single mother. Do

you have proof that she stalked you?
Yes, we do. We do.

Okay.

Is this you?

Yeah,

that was one of the times we drove by.

How many videos of her driving by do you
have? Probably 20.

There you go.

We got our binoculars, bitch.

I'm in God.

Driving by Jen's house.

I'm going to hug my whore.

Don't you dare.

I don't need a restraining order for
stuff. Rotten prison, bitch.

We are coming up on the house.

I just fucking saw Jen.

What were you hoping to find on the
drive -by? She wanted to get on the

Andy. This was about Jen. Do you
understand that? Why were you driving by

house? This was when we were in The
Witness.

Well, did the FBI tell you to drive by
her house?

Yeah, and she also owed us money. To do
what?

It's hard for me to believe that.

Catching her drinking and driving?

So they sent you after her instead of
the police?

Absolutely not. She was watched by
several people.

They were watching her for over a decade
as well. And so they sent you to check

to see if she was drinking and driving?

Drinking and driving?

Okay, you guys are assholes.

I'm sorry, it's so funny. This is
exactly why there's a burn book.

Did the FBI tell you to drive by her
house?

Yeah, and she also owed us money. To do
what?

That's hard for me to believe. Catching
her drinking and driving.

Catching her drinking and driving?

Okay,

you guys are assholes.

I'm sorry, it's so funny. I don't
believe that.

mean fucking girl.

But if she's in her house, she's not
drinking or driving. So were you a mole

the FBI then? I wasn't an informant. I
was a witness. Let me ask you a

With all the things the feds had on Jen
Shah, they asked you to go to their

house to see if you could catch her
drinking and driving.

She was defrauding elderly people.

You guys are... It just seems weird. I
don't understand you. Tell me.

Clarify it. It's unbelievable.

She's defrauding the elderly?

How is it unbelievable?

Because it's a liability. Because it
doesn't make sense. It's a liability.

were committed to hurting her like you
were committed to hurting Ozzy. You guys

don't know shit. No, it's not. To put
you on the road for the FBI.

Explain it. Why were you driving by her
house?

I mean, well, we were curious, and also
we were keeping an eye to see if she was

going to drink and drive because that
would be violating her probation.

Were you going to put a light on and
pull her over and then give her a

breathalyzer? How were you going to
know? You call the police when you see

driving around. We don't need a
citizen's arrest from this one,

Why are you coming at me? Why are you
defending a criminal? Wait, is this

at you? How the fuck are you defending
Jen?

We're not.

Yes, you are. I'm not.

No, you are giving me...

I've got nothing illegal.

I've done nothing to you. This is
fucking crazy.

It's illegal to access someone's
security system and watch them. Let me

a question.

If she was driving by her former
employers who was up to no good in

the hope of catching her or adding more
evidence, why do you care?

She wasn't driving by your houses. She
never got my address.

I don't have any.

your address is. I never drove by your
house. If she never stalked you guys,

do you care if she drove by Jen's house?

Like, what do you care?

The capability it would take for a human
being to befriend someone as a fan, to

beg to work for them, to get the chance
to work for them, then to infiltrate

their lives, to become their assistant,
to install cameras in their home, to

watch their security footage, to take
every opportunity to take that, then

it, and then spread it on social media,
that raises a few alarm flags for me and

makes me think, I don't necessarily want
to be their friend. That sounds like I

have an amazing time management skill,
by the way. Because if she did that to

Jen, she will do it to me, and she in
fact has.

So to hire someone that contributed that
and profited off of it.

And then lied about it and then sat here
with a burn book. We dealt with this

for three years. She thinks she's being
iconic.

It's not iconic to be a bully.

You said that you condemn cyberbullying
unequivocally. Yes, she is. And she has

admitted to cyberbullying for three
years. You know exactly what you're

don't know exactly what you're doing.

It's not. And it's not even appropriate
that we're joking about it. This is

ruined. My experience as a housewife,
it's ruined.

Every single one of our experiences as a
housewife, every housewife on every

franchise would say, The only hard part
about this job is the trolls on social

media that are relentless about
ourselves and about our families, about

businesses. And if you could eliminate
that or at least create a gap or at

hold someone accountable, it would
change.

The experience for all of us. And you
would get higher caliber women willing

expose their lives on television. Higher
caliber women. So someone like me

doesn't belong here. That's exactly what
I'm saying. You guys brought her on

knowing that she wanted to fucking take
every single one of us out and nobody

gives a fuck.

No one knew this.

Honestly, she thinks that she's
production new.

Who do you think at production new? The
first time I interviewed, I talked about

it in my home with production.

You told them in casting?

Yeah, the first time. If you said, I run
a burner account, we wouldn't have cast

you. Okay.

I want to ask about the Greek mafia
rumor.

Because it seems, as it played out on
the show, very coincidental that the

two of you had a conversation that day
that you went to lunch and you went to

Meredith's store, not for the first
time.

And you had a conversation about the
rumors relating to Angie.

And then a week or two later, you get a
DM with tax records and accusations

about Angie Kay being in the Greek
mafia. I got a DM that was predominantly

a variety of financial records that all
tied back to things that Monica had told

me coming back from Palm Springs about
Angie.

That I didn't know about prior to that.
Are you accusing her of lying?

So did you have anything to do with the
DM that Meredith got about Angie Kay's

finances? No, but I would admit that.
You told me you had evidence of

you told me on the plane to Palm
Springs.

No.

That's what you said on the plane. You
were going through a litany of things,

and I asked a lot of questions, and one
of them was, do you have evidence of all

this? I didn't have any of the
information, Monica.

And then I kept that information to
myself. You know that she has said that.

This is damning that she got DMs that
related to your conversation. Did you

speak to someone else about the
conversation you had with Meredith?

They just randomly appeared in her.

DM. And did you get the same DM? She
called me. I looked and we had the same

From the same account?

Yes.

I just really need everyone to be
respectful for a minute because this is

business and it's really important that
I have the opportunity to address this.

Basically, what they are accusing me of
is being a schemer and being a fraud.

And I've been working for 30 years. I'm
self -made.

This takes away from my credibility.

It's reckless to my business.

And it feels like it was a takedown.
Like they wanted to ruin me as a

owner. Who's they?

I don't know. Well, here's how I feel.

Monica has been pretending to be my
friend and betrayed me the minute that

could. I never put anything into the
universe. I never repeated anything you

said to me, Monica. I kept it to myself.
Who brought it up on camera for the

first time?

I did.

Can I just say something?

You can't bring something out in front
of the cameras, like the gay rumors and

the thing, and then say, I didn't say
it. I didn't say it because it's you

saying it. I said I didn't start it. But
I absolutely said I repeated it.

I got it, but I'm just trying to say at
some point. You got the information out

there. Okay. And you doubled down on it
and watch what happens live with Andy. I

did. That's what I heard.

Neither of us have ever filed
bankruptcy. I don't know why you're

You kept talking about it. Oh, Angie has
a lien. I had a lien in 30 years. So

were you grateful that I brought it to
you like you said in Bermuda or not? Be

quiet. Are you grateful or not?

Were you grateful or not?

Sounds like she wasn't.

Listen to her. They came after my
business, my marriage, my everything.

Okay. Same thing. You don't have any of
the same things.

I'm not telling you that. I'm not
telling you that.

You don't have a fucking business.

Literally. Oh, yeah. You're discrediting
mine. I have multiple small shots.

Okay, stop.

No, you guys are all. Did they come
after your swaddle business?

Yes. She was like, you have a little
swaddle business. No, I didn't. I said,

you're coming at me.

You're not a businesswoman. Do not come
at me. You take and I give. And that's

the kind of person you are. Everybody
was struggling during COVID. I opened.

surviving and I'm thriving, which is
more than you can fucking say. Well

Thank you. We're sitting in the same.
room on the same day i'm a

loyal

friend i'd rather sit here than sit
there and be a fucking low fucking brow

out of the fucking sewer brown rat

Lowbrow. Lowbrow.

No, she said lowbrow. You're such a
scum.

You are seriously lowbrow. You did this
to her. You did this to her.

You did this to her.

You were glad I told you. You were glad
I told you. No, no, no.

Stop.

Stop.

Stop. Stop.

Stop. Stop.

Heather,

you shocked the world when you claimed
that Jen gave you the black eye.

I mean,

honestly, it was a lot of drinking.

And the next morning I woke up with the
black eye.

I knew I'd gotten it from Jen. I didn't
know how.

But I knew I'd gotten from Jen. She was
the first person I texted.

She came in the room.

She said, did I give that to you? And I
said, don't worry.

I'll cover.

Why was your inclination, I'm going to
cover for her?

I don't know.

I was scared of her, I think. You were
scared of her?

I was scared of her. And were you scared
at that point because she was in legal

trouble? I had been covering for her for
three years. I was not going to stop at

the black eye. I was that in, and I was
too scared to say anything.

I was terrified to say it. I was still
scared to say it at reunion.

I was still scared to say it in Bermuda.

But as I sat there watching this happen
again, I realized that, like,

I was contributing, kind of.

Well, we have some footage to share of
San Diego.

Let's do that.

Oh, no.

So this is Jen coming to your room.

So Jen, she says, thanks for letting me
borrow this.

I say, absolutely.

I did that to you. I can't believe I did
that to you.

I said, don't worry about it. I got you.

She was upset. We were both upset.

Well, Heather, Jen has continued to deny
she gave you the black eye.

Let me just start by saying I'm sorry.
I'm sorry to you. I'm sorry to you

guys. I'm sorry to the network.

I'm sorry to the audience.

I didn't know.

how to navigate it myself.

I knew that it was becoming bigger and
more than I could handle. It was a

horrible situation.

And I had lived through this and I knew
the relentlessness of what would come.

And I lived a lot of that from it. A lot
of reality Vontaze is fixated on the

black eye.

And I don't know how to say other than
like, I was scared.

And I did what I always do. I deflected
with humor. It was in poor taste. It was

horrible. I don't know that it was
humor.

I thought, I mean, we said spider eggs.
I mean, this is the thing.

When lawyers came in, I have to assume
that you then started kind of freaking

out. I started freaking out because I
didn't have the, all I had was that she

had told me she had done it and that I
said I'd cover for her. I don't want to

get anyone in trouble, Jen. But that's
why I need you to, like, help me figure

out if someone wants to.

talk about what really happened last
night.

We need to cover stories, what I'm
saying right now. Like a spider laid

your eyeball.

Or you might have poison in your eye.

I couldn't say how it happened. You went
as far as to lie on your book tour and

say you thought you fell into a bedroom
cabinet.

At another book tour stop, you said
someone may have broken into the house

hit you, but production edited it out.

Because of a non -disparagement clause
between the rental company and

production. These are a billion
theories.

A billion theories. But I would never. I
have to say, it's not funny to accuse

the producers or the production company
of covering up a crime and an assault.

It's not. And that's why I led with, I'm
sorry.

I would have never have come clean if I
didn't.

If this hadn't happened, you know what I
mean? And that makes me sad, too. I

took a lot of hits for the black guy.
Yeah, you did.

Figuratively and literally.

No, you did from the fans, too. Oh, from
the fans? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I didn't go on social media for
six months, and I was too scared to

accuse or say anything otherwise.

I'm still scared.

I don't even want to have to do it now.

Two questions.

Is the grace that you are...

asking of everyone now the same grace
that should be given to her?

I can't answer that question because the
way that I handled it was to

internalize and to, and I'm not going
to, it's not noble.

You accused production,

which is not internalizing it.

I mean, I didn't make an accusation. I
said it could have been, I mean, it was

joke. I said, a good -looking producer.

You know, like, we made jokes about
rough sex. I mean, it was like, it was

clearly an absurd humor. And it wasn't
posted online. It wasn't perpetuated.

It was not like that, Andy. It wasn't.
But to take it on myself and to repress

it and make it my responsibility, I was
the victim, but I was also supposed to

be the person that, like, told on her.
And I didn't have the capacity to do

that.

Look, you lied to production. Bravo.

And even at one point said that maybe a
producer had done it to you, which is

very serious because it puts people's
reputations and jobs at risk.

Did you ever go to her and say, this is
getting bigger than... Yeah, we talked

about it a lot. And what did she say?

She said, unless they can show us the
footage, we deny.

Wow. And did she thank you?

No. She was never my friend. She
pretended to be my friend, and I fell

And I will not fall for a pretend friend
again.

I was a different person then, and I was
worried about the retaliation.

I'm still worried about the retaliation,
but there's been some distance. Of

course.

There's enough distance now, but it's
more than that.

I was a different person when I started
the show.

And the person that would eat that shit
then...

is not going to do it now.

And it was a really pivotal moment for
me in Bermuda. I was sitting there. I

kind of thought that you would say, the
gig is up. I'm sorry. And I

wanted to be here so badly that I did
all of this. But you didn't. You spun

You deflected. And as I sat there
thinking, like, this is familiar to me.

been there before. And I, in fact,
defended this behavior.

And I'm not going to do it again. I
never want to revisit this type of

And if this is part of the job, then
maybe it shouldn't be part of the job.

Well, it shouldn't be part of the job.
But it is. You know it's the worst part

of being a housewife. It is. It's the
social media.

Yes. That is true. It's what I've said
to every single person.

Monica, what do you think after hearing
this from Heather, after what she just

said?

Monica, what do you think after hearing
this from Heather, after what she just

said?

Watching that was really hard.

Watching what? That.

Okay. Her with Jen.

I do think that Heather and I, more than
what I know,

maybe they have gone through it.

Honestly, I think Angie, too.

What about me?

Just let her finish.

No, it's literally about the attack.
Just let her finish. Just let her say

she wants to say. No. You're going to
say what?

Stop. I want her to say it. I'm talking
about physical abuse from Jen Shaw.

Okay, yes. I don't think that you were.
Were you? She almost beat me up on a

van, but maybe that doesn't count.

Okay. I'm talking about physical
contact. Okay.

Remember? She had a drink. Angie had a
drink poured on her. Yes. That to me is

assault. Okay.

And, um.

Heather can eat me all she wants. That's
fine. But you could never deny that she

and I went through that same exact
trauma.

I went about it a different way.

She kept it all in. I blurted it all
out.

And I'm not ever going to take that away
from her. I completely understand the

fear of retaliation. I literally get
phone calls now from people threatening

because I have come out with so much
about Jen and my involvement in the

federal.

And I completely understand where she's
coming from and why she made the

decisions that she did.

To the women, you all seemed shocked
that Heather finally claimed. Who gave

the black eye now that you've had time
to process it?

I'm curious.

What do you think, Whitney?

It just makes me feel terrible.

Like, I get why Heather did it.

It's Stockholm Syndrome.

She put all of us, everything, at risk,
but knowing who Jen Shah is and what

she's capable of, I know why Heather hit
it.

I'm sorry you had to go through all
that.

Last year, I was so upset with Heather.
I was like, you put producers' lives at

risk, their jobs at risk. I was furious
with Heather.

And it's like this, like...

crazy feeling to know like jen did it
and like i feel like you understand yeah

understand and then watching you on the
couch last year i felt like heather's

broken i was broken and like ashamed and
embarrassed of herself and then you

feel like it's your fault yeah it's not
fun but i mean it's been a crazy hug

i think it's been i feel like i've never
want to go through it again i just

never want to go through it again i
never want that around me again ever

Meredith. I just, I understand 100 % why
Heather did not want to come clean with

us. I do. And I understand how hard it
has to be to do that. And I give a lot

grace there. I really do.

You know, I'm so surprised that we are,
all this time

later, still cleaning up the mess of
this person.

Who really had such a chokehold.

On everybody.

On everybody.

If she's watching this, you would say
what to her?

I would say, I'm no longer your bitch.

And I regret believing in you.

I regret turning on my, all of you in
her defense. I regret

fighting her fight. I regret.

It's respecting my children and my
family and my opportunity here.

And I would say, I'm glad that you're in
prison because I might not have had the

guts to do it otherwise.

Well, I think you saying that to her
directly, which you

just did, is a really powerful thing.

And I think, frankly, there's nothing
left to be said about it.

I think you've done it.

Listen, the theme here seems to be that
Jen has made people do things that are

not maybe characteristic of who you
really are. So is there any grace there

to be given to Monica at all? I
appreciate what you said, Monica, and I

that you're right.

But the way that you handled it and the
way that it affected me and the way that

you came in today, it hurt me more. And
it didn't resolve anything for me.

clearer to me and more real to me about
my own boundaries and how far I've come.

I mean, not collectively, how far we've
all come. Because this is the best

season we've ever had. We enjoyed each
other so much.

Enjoyed every minute of it. Like so many
relationships.

Well, you also, I mean, it's great to
see the new relationships bonding. It's

great to see you two together.

I'm so happy Meredith and Lisa have come
together.

Angie, it's great to see you integrate.

And it was so cool watching all the
women celebrate you in Bermuda and you

saying this is the best birthday I've
ever had.

I mean, it really made me cheer at home
watching. I mean, it was really sweet.

It was a great day. So knowing all those
good things that have happened, is it

too insurmountable for you guys to move
on as a group? I guess that's the

question. We may not answer it today.

You all may need a little bit of time.

Whitney, what do you think?

I have to be very careful and protect
boundaries that I've put up with

relationships that are not safe in my
life.

And there has to be a clear line of
trust.

for me to be able to move forward.

And right now, I think I'm even more
confused leaving the reunion.

So I don't trust Monica.

And I don't trust my ability.

Like, I can't put myself in that
situation right now. So I don't have a

answer for you other than no.

That's the only word I can say. And I'm
sorry I can't give you a better answer.

This whole thing is triggering for me
and what I've been through personally in

my life.

And I tend to say the wrong things at
the wrong time, so my answer is just no.

What would Monica have to say to you
guys to make this okay?

Nothing. Nothing. Not after the last
three years. I have to assume that there

was something that she could have come
here and said that you guys might have

said okay. No?

No.

Meredith? I think it's very problematic
to move forward in a situation where

trust has been completely decimated.

I promised you that you wouldn't leave
without feeling like you had said

everything. Is there anything else you
feel like you want to make clear or that

has been misunderstood or... I mean, I
think there's a ton that's been

misunderstood, Bob.

Okay, anything that's... Here we are,
so, you know, is there anything that you

feel strongly that you want to say?

No.

No.

We are back with our remaining moments
of season four of The Real Housewives of

Salt Lake City. Ladies, we're going to
take Whitney's game.

What's your warm and fuzzy and what's
your cold and prickly from the season?

Angie Kay.

My warm and fuzzy was getting to share
Greek Easter and have...

Friends and family come together and
celebrate and share the culture and all

our traditions. And seeing the kids
involved was really super special. And

having my dad and the Greek priest
there.

You know, I think for me, just the, you
know, just all of

it. It was just, it was a lot. It was
something I didn't expect. So just

navigating through that. But came out a
better person.

Whitney. My warm and fuzzy.

It has to be just, this sounds so
cheesy, but that's me. I am just proud.

stronger this year.

And I'm glad I'm not in such a broken
place that I was the year prior.

Yeah,

my prickly was being let down by Monica.

Lisa? I have so many warm and fuzzies.
Like, I love the dynamic change. I love

that I'm better with Meredith. I like
that I have.

A better relationship with Heather, and
I love that Angie's here and Whitney,

and we're all in this good place.

And I have one more warm and fuzzy,
Jack.

Like, just being able to have all that
documented and, like, see his growth and

everything, it's so awesome.

And I'd have to say my prickly is the
way we left Bermuda.

Meredith?

Well, my warm and fuzzy was successfully
turning butter.

Okay. And that's your warm and fuzzy
from the season.

I was going to get you a mason jar and
some heavy cream.

She's going to launch a butter line. I
can feel it. A butter bath?

Meredith Rosenberg's butter bath? Hello,
like a bath butter.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Yes.

It was another merch moment for her.
Well, now that's my warm and fuzzy.

No, my cold and prickly was having an
off -camera conversation where we have

you know.

Way of backtracking.

Heather? My warm and fuzzy was the book
event because I felt understood

and actually Greek Easter and the book
event because it changed my relationship

with Lisa that has been difficult for
three years.

And it was a powerful reset for just
everything in our lives. And I'm just

really, really grateful for that.

And then my cold and prickly was...

You know, the reality of aunties in
Bermuda.

Monica.

I would say that my cold and prickly is
Bermuda and my warm and fuzzy is

Bermuda.

Right. It was like the best of times and
the worst of times.

Will you go back to Bermuda?

No. No?

Just kidding.

No, I would actually like to take my
kids one day. And maybe see the family

without the cameras.

Without your mom interfering.

Maybe.

Okay, well, the season ended on a not
great note. I think we made some good

progress here tonight.

I am hoping that we can toast to some of
the fun times this season.

Bring out the dark and stormies, guys.
Oh, my gosh. No.

Let's fill you up to the bar.

Sprinter van.

Wow, this is a dark and stormy.

Oh, my gosh. How cute.

So cute.

What is in there?

I think it's rum, babe. I didn't drink
it in Bermuda. I don't really drink rum.

Just beware. It's very, very strong. Oh,
look at the cute little... Isn't that

adorable? It's Andy Cohen on the line.

Oh, my God. Okay.

Give us the Greek toast.

Yes. Well, you know, we would just say
tiniyama for your health, and that's

we do before we have a drink.

Tiniyama. Tiniyama.

Tiniyama. Cheers.

Limes up. Thank you all.

Cheers.

Here you go. It's delicious. Taste that.

It's kind of gross. This is not my jam.

Delicious. What is it, ginger?

It's a little strong.

You should have had it in Bermuda.
They're five times more strong.

This has been a long night. I think we
could all use a bath, right? I agree.

Let's take a jacuzzi. In a hot tub.

Thanks for watching, everybody.

I'm Andy Cohen.

Good night.