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Tonight, part two of the Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City reunion.

Did someone get thrown down a staircase
or something?

I went to grab the railing, there was no
railing, and I just... But then you

threatened to sue me. I had a
conversation with Meredith.

She said, do you want a house? You could
take her house.

Meredith, did she say that?

You relentlessly came after me for
supporting Jack in the mission, and you

called me a hypocrite over it. Ugh.

Mary M.

Hi. Let's have a chair.

Oh, I am okay. Yes, you are. Mary down.

Heather. I did like you until I seen
your interview. You start talking about

house. Like Santa.

You get a tour of Mary's house. They're
like making fun.

You called Heather inbred.

I know. So what's worse? My house
comments worse.

What did you think of what the women
discovered about Monica?

I have no idea who the troll account is.

Would you care if that account called
you a dumb bitch?

You called Mary a dumb bitch. That's why
you're speaking up. No one called.

No, I'm saying.

She called you a dumb bitch. You've
never called someone a dumb bitch?

Bitch, I deserve to be here because I've
been on all the thoughts of years. You

fucking crazy brother on our fucking
carport.

She's been in our business. You're
spending your kids' money on a fucking

You're airy sponsored. Are you insane?
You're sending a bad message to your

daughter. Keep my fucking kids out of
your fucking mouth. Fuck off, bitch.

You've talked about mine. You fucking.
Fuck off. Nobody wants you here. Okay,

thank you. Thank you. I'm very well
aware.

Is there any way to make it a little
warmer? It is so cold, and she's, like,

dying. Okay, yeah, can we make it a
little warmer in here? Okay, let's move

Well, in the Housewives universe, we've
seen scuffling sisters, clashing

cousins, and a very controversial step
-grandfather.

But one of the most dramatic family
dynamics we have seen was between Monica

her mom, Linda.

Let's take a look at their rocky road
this season.

Don't say nasty things about me. Like
when you forgot to hang up on me on the

phone the other day. You said, I hate
your fucking guts, you fucking bitch.

The only thing that I can count on with
my mom is that there's nothing to count

on with my mom. I don't know where I
stand with you. You know what I mean?

I'm the only one saying it to your face.

Stop it. Tell her to stop it.

Oh my gosh, that's not nice to talk to
your mother like that.

Is this fucking funny to you? It is
funny to me. You really are a heartless

person. And you can find your own right
now. Deadass.

My mom and I, our relationship is so
volatile.

When I turned 12, my mom, she decided
that she wanted to chase her dreams.

So she dropped me off with a family in
Pennsylvania and went and lived in New

York.

I'm not saying you're a bad mother. What
I'm telling you is Easter at Angie's.

was reliving my abandonment as a child.
I don't care.

I don't care. I'm so sick. I'm so over
it. I know you don't care.

That's the attitude.

Go ahead. Go ahead. Did you just call me
a fucker?

Motherfucker. I called you a
motherfucker.

I'm going to go meet up with my family
today. I haven't seen them in 30 years.

Oh, wow.

It's been so long. That's a long time.

Yeah. Even though my mom and I are not
in a good place right now, that she's

able to help me meet up with my family
in Bermuda, I am grateful for that.

What's going on?

Wait,

what just happened?

All

right.

A lot to unpack there. It was so
heartbreaking seeing that.

happened in Bermuda. Did you get to the
bottom of what happened there? Was it

your mom's involvement that caused your
family to cancel on you? You know, this

is still an unsolved mystery because my
mother and I are not speaking.

Right. How long has it been since you
haven't spoken?

Since the filming wrapped.

Since filming wrapped. And your family
in Bermuda didn't give you a straight

answer about why you couldn't come?

So my mom had messaged production.

And before we all went to Bermuda and
she said, I want to go. And production

said no.

Right. So she was very, very pissed. She
felt like I'm the one that should be

there.

The family remembers me more.

She threw a huge fit.

I was like, did she do this? Because she
was mad that she didn't get to come.

Right. Wow.

Shelby from Raleigh said, Monica, your
relationship with your mom is toxic AF.

You said that when you went to therapy
together, your mom pretended to be a

different person. Why would she do that?

You know, I don't know. I kind of
actually feel like maybe that's a little

common. Like when you go to therapy.

Yeah, you try to present yourself.

Yeah, yeah.

But that, you know, I think we kind of
see it play out in the season where if I

say a traumatic.

All she does is, you know, no, it wasn't
or it didn't happen like that or it was

one time or you this or you that. Yeah,
we saw that. We saw her respond to you

that way. Yeah. You treat me like I'm
still that little tiny girl that you can

fucking shit on and leave here and leave
there and get your dream job and your

date.

I'll sit in the back of a trunk of a car
while you make out with one of your

fucking boy toys.

That happened one time.

It's almost like gaslighting.

Yeah.

When the women threw a birthday brunch
for you in Bermuda, you cried saying it

was your best birthday yet.

Was that up to that point true? I mean,
yeah.

And your dad left when you were four. Is
that right?

Mm -hmm. Do you hear from him?

No. No?

The last time my mom said she saw him
was at our house.

And he wanted us to move to Florida.

Okay. And my mom was like, I'm not
moving to Florida. I'm not leaving

Apparently he walked out the door and...
And you haven't heard from him?

No. And honestly, I don't even know if
at this age I

would want to meet him.

Like, it's so weird, but I would like to
know what he looks like at least.

So when you were 12...

Your mom left?

Yeah. What career did your mom go pursue
when she left you in Pennsylvania?

Television.

She got on TV.

Mm -hmm.

How do you feel about your mom tweeting
about the show every week?

She's retweeting kind of insults about
you.

Yeah. It's got to be rough.

It's honestly worse than I could have
imagined.

Really? Yeah.

I knew that filming was going to be
hard, and I knew that you guys were

see some shit because that is our
relationship.

But what my mom has done after, online,
is, like,

worse. Yeah.

Lisa, I'm curious. You went pretty hard.

on Monica and you two went at each other
about her relationship with her mom,

about her calling her mom Ted Bundy. My
mom was very, very charming, and so was

Ted Bundy. Maybe you're more like your
mom than you think you are. Maybe you're

the exact same person.

Watching the show, did it make you
rethink how you approached her about her

This is like a two -part question. Okay.
So when I, what I observed on Easter

was... Monica's mom being lovely and
charming.

And I said that statement based off of
what I saw and not off of history. I

said I don't live in their house. I
don't know what happens behind closed

You know, fast forward to like actually
watching the show.

I'm like, they definitely have a very
tumultuous relationship. It's sad.

And it's really none of my business.

I appreciate it. I can agree that from.

an outside perspective it would look
like i'm just like a complete to my

mom i think that unless you do know
about our history or even if you've

with it yourself i feel like you can
kind of see what she was doing it was

important to my mother to impress
everyone else and to be there for her

she impressed us she sat down at the
table and it felt like she wanted to be

monica's shoes well i was just gonna say
i mean for someone who left her 12 year

old to go pursue a career in television
do we think your mom was kind of

auditioning to be a housewife a little
bit when i applied to get on the show i

did my final interview yep

The first place I went was to my mom.

And I just laid on her couch and cried.
And I was like, I totally effed up.

Like, I totally bombed it. I don't feel
like I was myself. Like, da -da -da -da

-da. And my mom said, let's say a
prayer.

And then she prayed that she would get
it instead.

She literally said, Lord, if it's not
Monica, let it be me. Somehow just let

be me instead.

Coming up next.

It's apparent that you make a living off
of suing people.

Bitch, I have never sued one person in
my life. There are multiple lawsuits.

Who have I sued? Who the fuck have I
sued?

Pearson's suing me.

She literally said, Lord, if it's not
Monica, let it be me. Somehow just let

be me instead.

So.

Are you still filmed with her after
that?

I am. Why would Rick do that? Honestly,
that is a fair question.

I think I'm so used to it. Yeah, you
are. That it just feels normal.

It does. Has she always had a habit of
sabotaging you when you've had success?

Yeah. So when I actually first started
dating Mike, I was like in love, like

right away. And he came to the house.

And she saw how happy I was. I'm scared
to hear this. And she banned him from

ever being able to visit the house
again. And she said, you will not take

daughter away from me. Wow. You are not
welcome.

So I just think my mom.

I don't know.

Until you have the opportunity to fight.

See it from the outside looking in. You
have no idea how much you're being

manipulated and abused and how toxic it
is until you have the chance to do that.

Yeah. And, you know, even with my own
father, Monica, I took watching.

Yeah. For certain things to trigger in
my brain of.

I can't accept it.

Heather,

you have a complicated relationship with
your mom. Are the two of you speaking

these days?

Just birthday texts, Christmas texts.
Really? Yeah. Wow.

I knew the conditions of my family if I
were to do the show and lead the church.

I mean, I signed up for this division,
and I respect that that's where it's

going to be. Right.

Whitney, it was great seeing your mom at
Bobby's birthday party.

You are so pretty.

That's where you got your good looks
from. I know.

How long were you two estranged, and
when did you start rebuilding?

That makes me cry.

It's been 16 years of us. You know,
there was a good decade where...

And sorry, Mom, because we are in such a
better place now, but I have to speak

the truth.

There was, like, birthdays where my mom
didn't even text me or Christmases. And

that was very hard.

Having a toxic father and then not a
relationship with my mom for us to be

now to work on it and build on it. And,
like, she texts me about the show all

the time, how proud she is of me.

Yeah, and so for her to come to Bobby's
party was huge.

What was it that made her switch?

We finally were able to have a very
honest conversation about my childhood.

Really? And a big factor was removing my
father.

Wow. Side note, are you two back in
touch?

No, it's just not a relationship that
is, I can open that door. I can't.

And he's avoiding me as well.

He is.

Okay.

Monica, I think you and Angie Kay were
tweeting back and forth to each other

about the Greek Easter. Did someone get
thrown down a staircase or something?

What happened?

This was right after the conversation
with my mom. I was going down to the

basement to get my girls to leave, and I
started crying. So my eyes, I couldn't

see. And I've never been to your house
before, so I went to grab the railing.

There was no railing, and I just... I'm
not talking to you.

Literally.

But then you threatened to sue me
online, which

I think we should discuss that.

Angie. Yeah, I'm listening.

Is there anything you don't have a
problem with, with me?

This coming from you, Monica?

Did I sue you? You threatened to sue
her. I said, should I? No, you didn't.

said I should sue you, you fuck.

Oh, and you said you piece of shit.

Well, yes, I did say all of that. And
you were a piece of shit. I was

to what you tweeted first. Yeah, you
threw a shoe and almost hit a toddler. I

didn't throw a shoe. My shoes went
flying. You tell your side and I'll tell

side because I will listen and you
won't. So I'll let you get it out and

follow with the response. Thank you.
Thank you. That's how a grown -up's

But I'm good with children, so I can.

Handle Monica.

I fell down the freaking stairs. One
shoe went flying off.

My other shoe was hanging half on. I
undid it and I threw it down and I said,

want to go home. Okay. And then anything
else happened?

And then I was bloodied and bleeding and
bruised and went upstairs and filmed a

scene with my mom and said, find your
own ride home. And she got an Uber, I

guess production called her an Uber that
she said, I'm not getting in that shit

box because it was a Subaru.

And I just went to urgent care.

May I? Yes, please. Thank you. You might
have a better memory since you didn't

hit your head. So go ahead.

Okay, Monica.

I do have a really good memory of the
day because I had family that left

they felt like it wasn't a safe
environment.

Oh.

It's my turn.

You go online.

You threatened to sue me and then say I
should send you the bill for my head

scan, which you did not pay for.
Production paid the bill. So now you're

the entire Internet.

You started it first with your nasty
-ass tweet, and I responded nasty about

tweet. I want to know what's nasty about
the tweet.

Shut the fuck up about Sean. That was
the tweet, basically.

No. I just want to be clear. And to be
fair, I had a conversation with

and I told her the situation, and she
said...

Do you want our house? You can take our
house.

I did not say you could take anyone's
house.

Oh, let's get you the house. I say that
would be a potential liability,

absolutely. Let's get you the house.
Wow.

I had a conversation with Meredith, and
she said...

Do you want her house? You could take
her house. I did not say you could take

her house. Yes, you did.

Meredith, I said it could be a potential
liability.

Absolutely. It's apparent that you make
a living off of suing people.

I have never sued one person in my life.
There are multiple lawsuits under

several of your names. Who have I sued?
Who the fuck have I sued?

Who have I sued? Are you suing Heather?

No. I responded to her suing me. Yes,

yes. Well, I would have never sued you,
though. I responded to you suing me,

which any person would do in this
system.

Wife, you're bad. Pay your fucking bill.
Pay your bill.

Okay, moving on.

Darcy from Philadelphia said, Lisa, you
told Monica no one wants to be your mom.

Do you regret saying that?

Um, the conversation got misconveyed.
She said, you're not my mom, and I...

Misconveyed? Listen, I rebuttaled as
sophomore as you dished it. You were the

nasty one all season, not me, Monica. I
was not the nasty one all season. Yes,

you were. I was responding to the energy
I was giving. Bitch, you're fucking

ugly. Look at that fucking ugly face.
She called Meredith a trampoline with

eyes.

You were nasty to me all season you can
poke poke poke poke poke it's You

called me a piece of shit. You called me
ugly.

You're nasty to women. You're not I made
one

You can cling to that one comment all
you want. You're not nasty to people.

you nasty to Meredith?

It's none of your business what I was
nasty with. You don't get to throw shit

my face and not touch it. No, you
started it with piece of shit and 1%.

dish it if you can't. You're right. I
was wrong about that. You're not the 1%.

You can't get anywhere with her.

This is why your mom talks to a tree
because you can't. You don't listen. You

just want to dish and dish and dish.
Throw my mom in my face. You're

manipulative. You are so fucking
manipulative. I'm manipulative? You just

it. Here, I'm going to be very direct
with you. I'm going to get very clear

you. You can't get anywhere with you. No
one wants to be my mother.

No one wants to be my mother. I said no
one wants to be your mom, clearly,

because you said I'm not your mom.
Exactly, which is disgusting when your

husband was adopted.

It's not disgusting.

You're seriously such a bitch.

John was not even offended by the
comment. He said, I don't even know what

problem is. Listen, John's not
interested in you, so don't even worry

I don't know what the fuck your problem
is with me. All right.

She's going to tell you in a little bit.
At nasty speaker said, Lisa, what did

you mean when you said during the sound
bath we were dealt the same? deck of

cards in reference to monica i look at
things like the most positive way it's

like hey listen i do i do and from what
i'm saying i don't know anything about

your relationship with your mom i asked
you at the sound bath Do you fucking

hate your mother, and why do you want us
to fucking hate your mother? I asked

you, like, four times. You didn't have
an answer. You'll see. I literally said,

yes, because you didn't know. And now
you've seen. And now you've seen.

the bottom line is, you would not stop.
You said I'm mediocre.

You went after my family. You said nasty
things about my husband, who you don't

even know. What did I say about John?
Oh.

You call him a penis head? Yes, I did.
You're being so rude about him. You're

being so rude about him. Why did you
call John a penis head? Why would you

John a penis head? You're mediocre. Your
business is mediocre.

And then five minutes later, she wanted
to fuck him. I would fuck John and that.

Wow. Wow. Yes. That makes sense.

Blue and Reality tweeted, why does
Monica have so many identities found on

Google? So your maiden name was Fowler?

No, my maiden name is Darnell. Fowler is
my married name.

What's Delgado?

That's my dad's side.

That's your dad's side? Mm -hmm. What's
Garcia?

Garcia is my mother's side.

My mother was born Linda Darnell, Susan
Maria Garcia.

Okay. Okay? When she was growing up, she
was teased for being a Portuguese in

Boston, and she was called spic all the
time, and it stuck with her. I don't

know. So when she became...

Of legal age, she chopped her entire
name off because she was ashamed of it.

Yeah. And just kept Linda Darnell. So
when I was born, I was Linda Darnell.

You were Monica Darnell.

Well, Monica Linda Darnell. Oh, okay.
They had the same name. Oh, okay. Yeah.

But that name means nothing to me. Okay.

So when I was getting a divorce, I
wanted a family name.

Got it. So you have used four names.

I legally have only ever used three.

Okay. Which is the one I was born with.

When I got married and when I got
divorced.

Your mom was confused that you changed
your name so many times.

That's not, why are you calling me that?

I'm sorry.

I don't know what the fuck your name is.
You change every fucking week.

Why would she be confused?

So she definitely brought that up as a
dig because I had confided in her that.

Certain people here were making fun of
the fact that I was using Delgado,

Adriano, Garcia, whatever I was going to
use, because they were saying I was

trying to make myself look more Latina
to get on the show.

Who said that?

You did. I did not say it. Don't look at
me and say I said that. I did not say

that. No, I did not. You know who said
that? You know who said that? Jen. No,

she didn't. Jen Sean did. Jen Sean said
you went by lesbian. Okay, so then you

were repeating what Jen said?

You fake fucking bitch.

Coming up... You say something horrible
to me, and then you don't like something

I say that's, like, not even the same
magnitude, and then you're like, I'm not

talking to Lisa.

You don't say anything to my face. I do
say exactly what I mean to you, to your

face. Okay, well, our relationship has
been done.

Welcome back to the Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City reunion.

Lisa, Jack Barlow was recently seen in
California in his mission garb. So

going on? Did he not go to Colombia? He
bounced on his mission. He's not going.

He's just hanging out with friends,
surfing, doing all the good stuff.

Now, what's happening? The way they put
in their paperwork and the way they

apply for visas. Sometimes visas take a
little longer. But it's a very common

practice. You get your mission called to
a foreign country and the paperwork

comes in later, but they don't want you
to wait.

So they sent him to California
temporarily speaking Spanish.

Jack's the reason his visa took longer
because he had a great six -pack and

a picture on the boat and sent it to the
government as his visa picture, like

thinking it's funny.

And they denied it, so we had to
reapply. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Yes.

His picture that he submitted for his
visa... Was on a boat in Lake Powell.

No, that's not the important part. He
was shirtless.

Says to be the first Mormon missionary
whose visa was rejected due to,

like, shirtless. In his defense, he's
been working out really hard. This is

I needed to be involved. His visa's
here. He's... On his way to Columbia.

And he was so happy. And when is he
going to Columbia? He leaves next week.

wow. Yeah, the week after Thanksgiving.

Wow. So do you get to spend Thanksgiving
with him or no? No, we don't get to see

him. We talk to him once a week.
Actually, today's the day he can call

here. Right. So he sent me the cutest
video message last night and was like,

good luck, mom.

And I just like love talking to him so
much now. I feel like it's changed our

relationship so much because he's
maturing a lot.

And I think there's a lot of gratitude
that's happening.

Echo Does Radio tweeted, I'm still
wondering why friends and family aren't

allowed to visit for the two years that
they're on mission. That's a red flag to

me. Why aren't family visits allowed?
You know, he is focused on doing his

service work. And I think it would be
distracting if we called into his

president and said, hey, we're coming to
Columbia. We would absolutely be able

to see him. But we're respecting Jack's
decision.

that he's like happy doing this, like
he's thriving.

Jerwin from Los Angeles said, Lisa, you
say you support the LGBTQ community, yet

you continue to show your support for
the Mormon church who continue to

fight against the community's rights and
livelihood. How do you support both

without being a hypocrite?

I'm not a hypocrite, and I do support
both. But the thing is, is it's wrong

any Mormon or anyone, nowhere in the
teachings of Christ did it say gays

allowed. I don't live that way. I don't
practice.

that way I also work on building bridges
with the Mormon church in the LGBTQIA

community because I think it's important
like I think it's an antiquated way of

thinking and I think all religions were
not nice to the LGBTQIA community not

just the LDS religion it's true

Here's a really interesting question.
Tiffany from Portland said, Lisa, are

worried at all that when Jack comes
home, he's going to be more Orthodox and

begin to question your Mormon 2 .0
assertion? Not even a little bit. I'm

even a little bit because I consider
myself non -Orthodox.

Jack, when we do talk, he's like excited
when he's like, Mom, imagine when I get

home, I can help you and dad with the
business in Mexico.

And like, I just think he's going to be
him. He's going to be the exact same kid

with. And I think that he will be a
better version of himself. I think that

is learning so many hard life skills
like that. And if he is more orthodox

because he is teaching the teachings of
Christ, I'm fine with that. And if he's

not going to judge his parents, we
didn't raise him to be judgmental of

So what's your reaction to that
question?

I mean, it's complicated. Everything
she's saying is absolutely true. He is

going to learn independence.

He's going to learn frugality. He's
going to learn that he has to wake up

work no matter what. He's going to learn
to work in the rain, in the snow. He's

going to become home fluid in Spanish.

He's going to come home a man.

And I want to warn you, Lisa, I had two
brothers go. I've had cousins go,

stepsons go. They come home weird for a
minute. They come home weird. You know,

Whitney and they come home. Because
they're not used to being like with the

in the normal life. I also think John
and I raised him. so differently, and I

know it's hard to understand because
you're not in our home. It's not weird

bad way. Yeah, we raised him so
differently. Like, John served a

sister served a mission. My brother
served in Bilbao, Spain.

And I just think it's like we had a
different perspective. And when my

came home, I didn't think he was weird.
He just got right back into life and had

a different skill set and spoke Spanish.
So, Heather, why was Jack's mission

triggering to you?

In a million ways. I want to know this.
Right. In a million ways. Even just

watching him read his letter.

Dear Elder Barlow, you are hereby called
to serve as a missionary of the Church

of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints in
the Columbia, Bogota, North Mission.

It's just...

reminds me of what I grew up with and
what I no longer have. Like, seeing all

those celebrations and knowing that I
wasn't there and not welcome for obvious

reasons. Like, I knew why, but it still
didn't help me to not feel hurt and sad,

you know? Well, she thinks the reasons
are different than the intention. To me,

I thought it was mean to, like, rub it
in her face.

And then I also wasn't in, like, the
best place with Heather where I wanted

be like, come share in this. I mean,
Whitney left the church and she was

But also, I mean, she's kind of... at
this moment, kind of a hater towards the

church. Absolutely, yeah. So, like, why
would she include you? Because it was

mostly because Whitney got included, and
she's anti.

You know, she's way more advanced than
me.

Now that you two are good.

You relentlessly came after me for
supporting Jack in the mission, and you

called me a hypocrite over it. Lisa says
she's Mormon, and she's not, and no one

calls her out on it. And I feel like
you, of all people, would know that.

And it's frustrating to me that you're
so scared to upset Lisa that you will

never say what you would say openly and
thousand times to me or to anyone.

What do you think I'm scared of saying?

That, like, there's no way that she's
going to the temple if she's not wearing

her garments and drinking alcohol.

That's just a basic fact.

Do you understand why I had a certain
level of respect of not wanting to talk

about But we talked about it. It was
just me saying, how do you address this?

How do you show up and say
congratulations when there's conflict

saw you call me a hypocrite, I was like,
wow, Heather. No, I was trying my best

to support my friend who has a
completely different belief system than

And I got, I was there. And you
separated it. Yeah, I separated it. If I

word hypocrite, I just wanted to talk
through it because it felt challenging

me for us to say, congratulations, go
get it, go get it. Meanwhile, we're

this can be destructive. This can be
dangerous. And I have deep. progress

my mission. I mean, all of the
intentions are wonderful, but how do I

extrapolate those intentions from what
the ultimate goal of a Mormon missionary

is? And I tried to make that easy for
Heather by not pushing it in your face.

And I didn't understand.

Whitney asked her question.

Yeah. So my question though is like,
looking back at it now, do you feel bad

calling me a hypocrite? Because now you
get it. You have to compartmentalize it.

Yeah, I mean, completely, you have to
just put it aside. I just need to hear

that from you, that you feel bad. You
have to put aside your political and

emotional views and say, I'm a mom
supporting a friend, and I will be here

her if he comes home militantly
Orthodox.

And she's like, what do I do with this?
I'll be like, I'll talk to you. This is

a new thing for me, the grants on the
mission, and I love it. Yeah, it's good.

All right, let's hold there. So we are
going to take a break. Mary M. Cosby is

coming out. Okay.

I'll be at lunch.

I'll see y 'all later.

Yeah.

Oh,

it smells good up here.

Oh.

You look gorgeous. Look at this emerald
green.

Oh, my gosh. Hi.

You look so stunning. How are you? Come
in, come in. Look down.

Have you been watching at all?

No. Oh, man. It's a bloodbath.

Heather and Lisa and Angie are
relentless with me. And they feel like

them wrong? Yes. So they're, like, done
with you?

Correct. Without you saying why or
explaining anything?

I have not explained my situation.

Okay, so that's unacceptable.

Yeah. Yeah, you have a side. You have a
voice. And we're going to hear it.

And, yeah, I got your back.

Let's go there.

I am okay. Yes, you are.

Mary down.

Mary M.

Hi. Hi. How are you? You look beautiful.

All right. Everybody, we're back in
five.

Welcome back and pop the 2003 Dom
Perignon because we're joined by our

old friend, Mary M.

Cosby. Hey, Mary.

Hi, Andy. Great to see you at a reunion.

We missed you. Andy, are you going to
make me pay for that? Okay.

Thank you. Okay, we missed you at your
last reunion.

Mary chose not to join us.

tonight.

Disappointing to say the least.

Why did you not want to be a part of
that?

First of all, how I was treated the
entire season and then how things were

allegedly said that was completely not
true.

I didn't feel comfortable and so I
didn't come.

When you were on Watch What Happens
Live, I asked you why you came back to

show and you said to help you guys out.

I'm wondering if the other women, did
you feel that you needed Mary back this

season to help out?

Yeah, I did. There was some comedic
relief in there. Yeah, that was good.

You're hilarious.

Angie, this is your first year.

Why are you even answering?

Oh, my gosh. Well, she was acturing
nicely about you. Oh, she was?

Yes. She said we needed comedic relief.

Heather, you were saying?

I was just saying, you never know what
you're going to get with Mary Cosby, and

that's kind of fun and makes filming
with her exciting, and so it felt right

that she's back.

Okay.

Mary, you were open to Monica right
away, but you seemed pretty dismissive

Angie from the jump. What was it about
her that set you off?

Well, I just, when I see Angie, it just
made me think of Jen.

Uh -huh.

Serving up banana bread.

Oh, my God. I thought that was Jen.

I mean, she looked like Jen. Jen, they
kind of dressed alike.

They're like the same height.

And it just scared me. I was like, not
Jen again.

And then she kept touching my clothes
with her cake.

Do you remember that cake?

She had cake and she was Mary and she
was touching me. And I was like, oh,

the banana bread. Yeah.

I'm definitely really touching.

Are you eating anything?

No.

Do you want to wait?

There are no plates out here. I'm not
sitting on any of your beautiful things.

Do you want me to help you get this on?
No, I'm good.

Thank you.

Mary, just ask me if I was a yes person.

Did I really?

Yeah. Oh, I'm so sorry. It's okay.

Well, send me the dry cleaning room.

I am touchy.

I'll make sure to have the banana. I'll
rein it in.

Who in this group do you like?

Okay,

so I do like Angie.

Oh, you like Angie? I do. Oh, okay. I do
because Angie can take my toughness.

Oh, okay. She can handle me. I like
Monica.

Yep. She's pretty.

Yep. I think she's a good addition.

And I love Meredith.

Yeah.

I love you. That's probably about it.

Okay. Well, I did like you until I seen
your interview.

What interview?

You start talking about my house, like
Santa.

You get to tour Mary's house and, like,
make it fun.

Oh, my gosh.

Mary's decor is exactly like Mary's
personality. You never quite know what

you're going to get. Green carpet,
Chanel pillows, Dr. Seuss chairs from

Whoville.

But you don't like the reaction to your
house, but... We all are fine with your

reactions to us, and they're not nice. I
don't say anything about you. What do I

say about you?

Not this season, not this season. Okay,
then be quiet. Well, I mean, with all

due, you called Heather inbred. I know,
so what's worse, your house comment or

calling her inbred? Right, well,
that's... Do you think I look inbred?

I do.

I think my house comment's worse.

You do?

I do.

About your decor?

Because she's phony.

Don't come to my house and say, oh, this
is so pretty. Is this a mansion?

I said your house was grand. I said it
has elements that are unique, that are

characteristic. It has huge throne -like
chairs. I was just trying to, I mean,

what I'm saying is I was in my house
before this show. I didn't need this to

like you got your house.

After the show. Who did? After my
business. You both did. And after my

What did she say about the house?

She just said it was like a... You were
proud of me for getting that house,

Mary. You know, they both made fun of
me.

You're welcome to come make fun of my
house. I was just commenting on what I

found. I was excited to be invited.

Give your opinion on my house, too. You
know, it's really interesting because

you say everything to people's faces. I
do. And it's shocking.

Thank you. I mean... I'm saying thank
you because I say it to your face.

What made you wear that necklace?

But sometimes you say...

kind of horrible things to people's
face. Well, they can say it back if they

want to avoid each other's face. Yeah,
but we do, and then you say, I'm not

talking to you anymore. Then that's the
end of the conversation.

Why is she butting in? Because I'm
talking to you. Because it happened to

Because I'm part of this. What happened
to you?

Because, like, you say something
horrible to me, and then you don't like

something I say that's, like, not even
the same magnitude, and then you're

I'm not talking to Lisa.

So, I mean, it's like... I don't know
how she answered herself in that, but...

Well, she's responding as a member of
the group, because I'm saying that you

things to people's face. I know, but I
think that's a good thing to this group.

that you say I say it to their face.

Yeah, and then when we say things to
your face back... You don't say anything

my face. I do say exactly what I mean to
you, to your face.

Okay, well, our relationship has been
done.

Exactly. So what?

So what?

I think that's a good thing to this
group that you say I say it to their

Yeah, and then when you say things to
your face... You don't say anything to

face. I do say exactly what I mean to
you, to your face.

Okay, well, our relationship has been
done.

Exactly. So what?

So what?

Let's talk about Robert Jr. Is he
married or not?

They said they're married, but I still
haven't seen that.

Like... The paperwork.

Why am I hearing rumors that you're
married?

Is it true?

I mean, kind of, yeah.

Does he need to show you the paperwork?

To prove to me that he's married, yeah.

You don't believe him?

I can't even say it. I'm like, get your
girlfriend. I keep calling her

girlfriend, but maybe. Do you think he
felt that he couldn't tell you that he

was married?

Of course, because I was steady telling
him, that is not your wife.

Do you think he's too young?

Yeah, way too young to be married. How
old is he? He's 21 now. Wow. Yeah, he's

young.

How is it living with Robert Jr.

and his wife?

Well, I mean, about three months before
we started filming, she moved in. What

made you think he would be bad in bed?

How is your son, by the way? He's good.
He's always doing his own thing with his

girlfriend. But I heard all this noise,
and I was going upstairs.

What were they doing?

Oh, oh.

I said, oh, my gosh. I said, don't make
my son think he's better than he is.

Stop doing all that. Stop it.

Tell him the truth.

Andy, I didn't think he was bad in bed.
I just told the wife or the girlfriend,

stop pretending.

Because I walk past the room and I hear
all this noise. I hear all this

screaming and all this dramatic.

And I'm like, it's not that serious.

Don't give him a big head and think that
he's just really, you know.

Come on.

Because she was like, ah. It was like a
yell.

And I was like, what's wrong?

And I was like, are they okay?

And then I opened it.

Yeah. That happened. You opened the
door?

Well, kind of.

But I got.

The point before I did?

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, if you got the point, what was
happening? Why didn't you open the door?

left. I left. I was scarred. So you told
her, stop with the histrionics. Be true

to it. Like, if it's like that, then...
But if it's not, don't make him think it

is. Don't be faking it. Okay. Yeah,
that's all. Oh, my God.

So, Whitney, how did you feel about
having Mary back in the mix?

You know, I was nervous.

Whitney's terrified of me. No, no, I was
grateful to have the opportunity to try

to resolve things with her. I did not
like how it ended a season prior.

I felt bad because I wanted the
opportunity to repair that. But you have

realize everything that came out about
you was not what we were saying. It was

in the press, it was in the news.

That's not true.

And like I said, there's a lot of things
that came out about you guys all, and I

never, ever did that, what you guys did
to me, ever.

And I've heard really horrible things
about you. But I've never said it. And I

won't because that's who I am.

Well, to answer your question, I was
grateful to try to have the opportunity

repair with Mary. I don't care, really.

Clark from Atlanta said, Whitney, do you
realize how damaging it was to call

Mary and Robert Sr. predators season
two? Did you mean sexually or that they

engage in predatory behavior for
financial gain at their church?

We, the audience, were left wondering.
Not okay.

Yeah, no. The predator thing for me
probably is just my own trauma with

a high -demand religion, so I apologize
for that. I don't think you're a

predator, Mary. I'm not. And my husband
is neither.

Never, never sexual ever. No.

Whitney, you had some strong feelings.
You tweeted, I cannot sit and listen to

this evil and mean woman talk about
gross.

Just get monotonous trying to give
people chances and you think you're

go back into a crowd of people that's
going to grow.

And they still haven't grown.

I don't have the energy.

I'm exhausted for these people. I need
to see change.

OMFG skull emoji. Tell me how you really
feel.

It's hard because I feel like I've
personally put so much work into myself

the last, I mean, I've spent thousands
of dollars in therapy.

I've been making it a conscious effort
to be a better person.

And so to see you talk about us that
way, to see what you would say in your

confessional. So you're saying what
you're tweeting, calling me, cursing me

calling me names is gross?

Is that what you're saying? Well, I
would have probably honestly never

that had you not gone and tweeted about
me. I didn't tweet anything about you.

I just said you were racist.

I said you're racist, and that's what,
yeah.

Well, I mean, if you tweeted that she's
racist. Yeah, I did. You believe that

Whitney's racist? I do. You do?

100%. I do.

You believe that Whitney's racist? I do.
You do?

100%. I do.

That breaks my heart.

Based on what?

I don't believe that. What they brought
up, what they were brought up in. That's

not true. Their religion, they were
brought up in. Based on the religion?

Mm -hmm.

I believe that they have their beliefs.

Okay. And they have that our color is
cursed by the color of Cain.

And that we will be in a different
heaven, our color, our skin color will

a different heaven, and we'll be the
help.

And that was taught. Is that what
Mormons believe? Heather can vouch for

Mormon, so can somebody ask me?

Mormon doctrine is rooted in racism. No,
it is not. But the Mormon church today

is making efforts on every level to
outreach. But we

have to acknowledge it in order to
change it. Whitney, you want to say

I just want Mary to know.

Because that's a big accusation to make.
And I am no longer a member of the

Mormon church. And that was part of my
process for me. I don't have anything

against the Mormon church.

I don't have anything against the Mormon
church, Heather. Well, you just said

it's a racist church.

That doesn't mean I don't have anything
against them.

That's their religion and that's their
belief. But I don't have anything

them. Personally, I think we would.

which we can just leave them alone
that's and that's fair mary that part's

we're women of white privilege as well
so inherently there are things that we

have to go ahead and preach it whitney
no you've been saying some good things

lately you have to say that i've been
learning mary what i want to know

personally what have i done or said to
you it's not it's not anything you do or

say it's your actions and it's a feeling
and you have to be my color to know it

It's not something that somebody could
teach you. It's not something somebody

can tell you. I just wanted to make
sure. You know what I mean, Andy? I'm

curious. I just want to make sure I have
not personally done or said anything to

you. Okay, well, that's important. Of
that nature.

Has she? No. Okay, thank you.

Mary, you weren't in Bermuda, but after
you watched the finale, what did you

think of what the women discovered about
Monica?

You are a fucking bully and a fucking
troll, and you do not deserve to be at

this table?

Or anywhere near any of us for the way
you've treated us.

I thought it was a little bit over the
top. Like it was a little much with how

they treated her and how they pushed her
out.

Especially no one was reflecting on
themselves and what they went through. I

know that was a little much. Because I
have no idea who, whatever the troll

account is. Would you care if that
account called you a dumb bitch?

I'm just asking. Probably not. Okay. You
wouldn't care? That wouldn't bother

you? Okay. No, I get called everything
on the internet, like Twitter. What if a

good friend called another good friend a
garbage whore who can go fuck herself?

Oh, because you know you called Mary a
dumb bitch. That's why you're speaking

up. No one called.

No, I'm saying, come on. Yeah, get the
audio. Yeah, get the audio from my best

friend, because you fucking bitches have
nothing else. I didn't get anything

from your best friend. Yes, that girl
right there did. I don't know why I

her a snake.

Who? You. Just about you.

This is about you.

No, it's not.

And what you're not going to do is play
one side of something and make it look a

certain way. No one said anything about
marriage.

What is that? Monica, you said it, so
why don't you tell us what it is?

She called you a dumb bitch. No, I did
not. Shut your mouth.

No, I did not. It's your voice. It's
your voice. I was not talking about

Oh, okay. Mary, you're going to dump a
DM from a burner?

about her. And you need to be playing
all of those and the other person's side

of where you got them from.

You know how she snapped on this real
quick because she knew it was Lisa.

Seriously? Stop. Do you see what you
guys are doing right now? What are you

doing right now? What about me calling
someone a dumb bitch?

You've never called someone a dumb
bitch? Ever?

Never? Not with your intentions.

Heather, shut the fuck up.

I want to say something. Yeah.

I feel like.

They should hear her out. I don't think
they're letting her talk.

They're going to have to hear her out
because we haven't discussed this issue

yet. But they're going to because we all
are anxious to hear what she has to

say.

Next week, the dramatic conclusion of
the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City

reunion.

Explain to me how this works.

How what works? The Internet?

No.

I just want to know what level we start
at.

Monica, we have not heard your side of
the story about Bermuda.

Oh, Andy.

This is a burn, but you were stalking
Jen. I did not stalk Jen.

You have four kids at home and you're a
single mother. Do you have proof that

she stalked Jen? Yes, we do.

You set up Jen's security cameras.

Yes. You had ability to watch Jen in her
home and hear what she was saying.

Yeah. You told me you had evidence. No.
Are you accusing her of lying?

I'd rather sit here than sit there and
be a rat out of the fucking sewer.

Is it too insurmountable for you guys to
move on as a group?

Heather can eat me all she wants. That's
fine. But she and I went through that

same exact trauma.

Jen gave you the black eye. Yeah.

Tell us how it happened.