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Coming up on the three -part Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion.

Heather and Lisa, are you two bad
leather?

Well, good leather.

That was the shadiest thing you've ever
said. Really? That's saying something.

You came after my marriage. I didn't
come after anything. Get her a fucking

kennel so I can finish my comments.

You chastise me at your house. You just
can't take criticism. There are so many

things I sweep under the rug to make
sure we're fine. No, I don't. Well, then

say what they are right now.

Monica, you've been accused of being a
troll account.

Oh, I'm not interested. I can't anymore.

You're saying I would steal it because I
have less than you, so I'm going to

steal it so I can, like... She didn't
steal it.

Why are you talking?

Why are you talking, bench -warming
bitch? Shut up!

Your reactions are what the women
discovered.

It was a little much how they picked her
out.

Is there anyone that feels differently
about Monica than when you came in?

Jen gave you the black eye. Yeah.

Tell us how it happened.

Oh, no.

Ew.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Welcome. I felt like I had to lie to
protect her for the fact.

So she gave me a black eye.

For three months you were sat here with
us and not told us the truth.

It's no joke. That's our secret. Clearly
you're the one with the secret.

That's my favorite.

much more to the story. And trust me,
you're all going to want to hear it.

Five minutes, ladies.

Make your way to the stage, please.

Archangel Michael, please protect us.

Watch your step up here. Okay. Hi,
Meredith.

Good to see you. Brought your purse?

I did because I have a lot of notes.
Okay.

Hey, Lisa. I look like a holiday
decoration.

Yeah, you do. Hey, Angie K. Hi, Andy.
How you doing? Hey, Whitney. I thought I

was avoiding the hot seat today. Yeah,
well, here you are.

Someone's got to do it.

Yeah. What?

Hi,

Monica. Hello.

How we doing?

Good to see you. You too.

All right. You guys ready? In five, six,
four, three, start your move. Two, one.

Welcome to the Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City Season 4 reunion.

I'm Andy Cohen, still reeling from an
explosive season and jaw -dropping

that has left us all feeling trapped in
the devil's triangle. And I mean,

this is an acid trip.

I don't know whether to be cold or hot.
Well, I should point out that since your

finale, which took place in Bermuda, You
all as a group really have not been

together or spoken. Is that correct?

That's correct. Yes. I feel like they
have been together. I think they were

together a lot. Yeah. Minus me.

Right. Well, that's what I'm pointing
out.

We have a lot to go through tonight, and
we will get into what happened at the

finale. But before we get into the
season, I also want to mention the Jen

of it all.

She's obviously not here.

And I wonder, how did it feel doing the
show without her? Were you worried as a

group? No. I was worried that the effect
that Jen had had, that people would

want that type of level of drama and
toxicity and just craziness, and that

might tune out if they didn't see it.
But we are excited for the chance to get

free of all of that. We're excited for a
chance to prove ourselves, I think, and

show our friendships without that.

In the mix.

So when we shot last year's reunion, she
was waiting to be sentenced.

Mm -hmm.

I asked whoever was here your reaction
to her guilty plea, and no one really

much of a reaction. I wonder if any of
you do now.

Did you feel betrayed by her?

What's the real tea here?

Well, she was lying to her face up to
the moment that she walked in the

courtroom to plead guilty. She called me
that morning and said, call Meredith.

And I didn't do this, but I have to
plead guilty.

And so even to the moment that she
walked in before the judge, she was

maintaining her innocence and
maintaining that even after she pled

still maintained her innocence so it's
really hard to have a friend that's

telling you i'm innocent and all the
evidence is pointing that she's guilty

we backed her the entire time you know
even when it was rough and she was

at us really hard we backed her a
thousand percent and do you believe her

she is innocent no no i feel like i
always took a stance that i always said

had my speculations and I feel like I
didn't want it to be true, but based on

the evidence and everything, I had a
strong feeling that she was guilty.

Yeah. All the alarm bells. Yeah. And I
feel like I did express that. Yeah.

And I think at times it was hard because
there would be retaliation if we said

or did anything. And yeah, and you could
bring up facts till you're blue in the

face and she just would maintain the
same thing. I didn't do it.

I didn't do it. What would the
retaliation be?

Oh, just social media hatred.

Just attacks, like vicious attacks.

Vicious attacks that ruin your
character, your name, your business,

that. Right. Well, the hardest thing,
too, is I think we've all let her into

homes, into our families, with our
children, our husbands, and she becomes

of your family. So that was a real
betrayal.

Yeah. Yeah.

You know, at the last reunion, it was
just four of you. Yeah.

I think none of us knew where any of
this was going to go. Yeah, I felt that

same. We have a lot to talk about, okay?
So I want to start at the beginning.

This season, new housewife Monica
stepped out of her Range Rover and right

a snowstorm of drama.

Through it all, this newbie was never
afraid to keep it 100 with Salt Lake

City's 1%. Take a look.

Hi, how are you? Nice to meet you. I
know, we've talked before. Yeah.

I remember meeting Monica a few years
ago. She was running an errand for Jen.

So Jen had fired her assistant, and I
stepped in to help her. I became a

with the federal government in her
trial.

Morning. How are you? As a single mom,
my life consists of running my kids

everywhere. This one likes football.

This one likes gymnastics.

This one likes art. You know what I
would like?

Oh, my God.

Five hours of extra sleep.

Just so tone deaf to hear you talk about
money and your successes. Like, the 1

% of people in the world live like you.
Stay away.

Bye, 50 -year -old wannabe.

Monica, you're going to age, too.

Bye. Bye.

50 -year -old wannabe, she wants to be
me. She wishes she could have what I

have. That's why she carries fake
Chanel.

All right.

Do you want to be Lisa?

No. I thought it was really touching and
honest when you cried to your mom

about, you know, worrying about feeling
left out, the labels, buying the purse.

Why was that important for you to share?

You know, it wasn't necessarily about
the bag. Okay. It was about entering

group of women as an outsider looking
in. They look flawless.

Their homes are beautiful.

They're married. Their kids are
successful.

Like you just look at it from the
outside and you're like, what am I

the table? Okay. I'm a whore that's
going through a divorce that has four

and lives in a 3000 square foot home.
This is how I felt. Okay. I'm just, you

know, and I think every single person in
their life at one point in time or

another has felt like I don't belong.

Yeah.

Well, I think that's why it resonated.

So why were you so annoyed by Lisa
carrying on about the $60 ,000 ring? I

to assume if you had lost a $60 ,000
ring, you'd be freaking out about it.

Lisa had every right to be upset about
losing her ring. What I didn't like was

that it was $60 ,000, $60 ,000, $60
,000, $60 ,000, $60 ,000. I only said

price three times.

And so the thing for me, it was
everybody processes things differently.

me, losing that, it's a big deal. Henry
almost died after I had him.

And John gave me that ring because I was
like, I don't know if we're going to be

able to have more kids. I don't know if
we're going to have another kid.

That meant more.

than just a ring that i wear on my
finger every time i look at it it's like

have our two beautiful babies and like
it was so hard that is beautiful i

know that no one's business i didn't
even want to say that i was just

about it because it's to me it's a
symbol i thought you just bought that

no you did not just buy that for me but
it was sentimental i said it was

sentimental i'm really upset

It's sentimental. It's from John. It's a
big deal. I'm so sorry.

I get rings for different things at
different times. That one was special to

and that one was not something we had
just gotten. These are ones I just got.

That is not one, and it was sentimental.

You can ask John if you don't believe me
or if that's even bothering you that I

would say that. At the airport, that's
not what you told me. That's all I'm

saying. I did not say that. I did not
say that. I said I did not say that. I'm

not going to fight you on this.

He just asked what was bothering me, and
it was just the 60 -60 -60 -60.

stressed so for me it's more than just
the ring it's like saying like oh that's

upsetting to me because i lost a ring
and i'm upset about it doesn't mean i'm

not relatable to the middle class it
doesn't mean i think i'm part of the one

percent it doesn't mean i think i'm
better than anyone i wasn't correct

definitely not the one percent you're
right so i got you're you're trying to

me now i'm not okay i actually did
research on what i said one percent is

shaquille o 'neal

you never found it never found never
found it gone there were where do you

the rumors started that you took the
right i mean i think it started over

it did not start over with me i didn't
start it okay No, really. Who do you

think started that rumor? It wasn't me.

It wasn't me.

That's what I... And so many people...
You thought Lisa started that rumor.

I thought Lisa and Heather.

No, that's wrong. You're totally wrong.
Let me ask you this. Why didn't you go

online when you saw all the rumors and
say, I do not think Monica stole that?

I don't think I need to do that. I don't
think that's my job to do that. By the

way, I will say this.

I will say this. Exactly. Thank you. But
I didn't say it out loud. Thank you.

You just admitted it. I didn't say it
out loud. I don't need to defend

that's... You know, Monica, there are
people that, like, watch your behavior

were like... Watch my behavior?

You think I would steal a $60 ,000 ring
from you? It's $58 ,000, just to be

clear. I have a new one. It doesn't feel
the same. I don't think of it the same.

It looks good, but...

I liked my other one, and I want my
other one. Why are you looking at me

you say that? I'm not saying I don't
have your ring. I'm looking over here

because guess what? You are right here.
Let me make this very clear, because

this is actually really damaging, and
actually, it's easy, it's stereotypical,

and it's harder. What's stereotypical?

To accuse me. Go ahead and laugh it up,
Andy. Wait, but why would that be

stereotypical? It's stereotypical, big
mouth. Laugh it up, Monica. Wait, why

would it be stereotypical? I did not
steal your ring. Okay, but wait, why

it be stereotypical? Because you're
saying, like, I would steal it because I

have less than you, so I'm going to
steal it so I can, like... No, because

you stole it. Why are you talking?

Why are you talking, vent warming bitch?
Shut up. Bitch? Yes. Really? You're so

classy, Monica. Stop talking.

I'm not. This doesn't even involve you.
Just like most of the season.

She didn't say you stole it.

Why are you talking?

I never took your ring. I didn't even go
into that bathroom until

like 20, 30 minutes after you had lost
your ring.

We learned early on about your
connection with Jen Shah. Were you two

friends, or how would you describe your
relationship?

I would describe it as we were friends
first, and then I was working for her,

and then enemies, I guess.

So what did you specifically do for her?
What was your job description?

She needed help at the time with,
honestly, her life.

Now, looking back and knowing
everything, I'm like, okay, I get it.

I almost felt like I was just more of a
friend. Like the stuff I would do for

her, like I would go and get her
groceries.

I would make sure that she was on time
to her freaking meetings and whatever.

Was she filming the show at this point?

I think you guys filmed season one.

Okay. Was she paying you?

No. So you were taking time away from
your kids for a job that didn't pay?

Yeah. Why were you doing that? Why?
Yeah.

Honestly. she was my friend she needed
help it didn't start like that we were

friends first and I was like I can help
you until you need somebody so you

didn't have like I had a husband home at
the time and look where it got her and

I'll start out as an assistant and see
where it gets me um no I actually I mean

I would like you to hear something
Monica that you said I would love for

read that Heather

It's just for a little bit of clarity.

Oh, it's an audio recording.

Fucking Kim Kardashian was a fucking
assistant.

And look at that bitch now.

I can fully admit that the whole reason
why I was an assistant and putting up

with that shit was as a stepping stone,
as a learning experience.

So that proves what? That she was doing
it to get on the show?

Were you being her assistant to get on
the show?

I didn't think I would ever end up on
the show, honestly.

But why wouldn't I try to get on the
show?

I was just clarifying that I don't think
you were her friend helping her. I

think that you had an agenda.

Well, you had an agenda.

I didn't. When I met her, I didn't even
know she was on the show.

As this situation went on with her, are
you comfortable saying, yeah,

that you thought, oh, well, maybe I'll
get on the show as a result of it?

Honestly, when I applied to get on the
show, I applied just like everybody else

sitting here.

How did you apply? I didn't apply. I
helped bring the show to Utah, so I

apply. Okay, well, everyone else that
has to apply now. How? You talked to

casting. I emailed the email for
casting.

And said what?

I said, my name is Monica Fowler and
your show sucks and your ratings are

and it's going to get canceled because
you don't have the right cast. Wow.

Wow. Did it suck and the ratings sucked?

That's what I said. I'm being honest.
That's what I said.

A lot of viewers had questions about
your friend at the Secret Service

you that there was an active case
against Jen.

Since that doesn't seem like
information. That is not what he said.

was it? He did not say there was an
active case.

Okay. He said, get away from Jen Shah.
She's going to prison.

And then how did you go from there to
becoming an informant against her?

I talked to the federal investigators.

Did you reach out to them?

I did, yes. And said?

I said, I have information about your
case.

I think that I did the right thing.

Everyone here probably should have done
the right thing, too. We got a lot of

questions from people wanting to know
how the affair with your brother -in

started.

Okay, first of all, I need to start by
saying that that happened over a decade

ago. Okay.

And as far as everybody here, especially
Heather, have had very deep

conversations about that and how painful
that was for me. And you guys were

actually wonderful.

It wasn't about bragging or not taking
accountability.

I don't think taking accountability
means self -shame and self -hating for

rest of my life. I was excommunicated. I
bore the scarlet letter. I still do.

I was rebaptized. I went through the
whole rebaptism process in the church.

cried when she told me about being
excommunicated. And we talked about how

unfair the process is and how she'd come
back. And to get rebaptized in the

Mormon church is a big deal. You have to
take the missionary discussions.

All over. You have to go through the
interview process. You have to get

high up permissions. Your friend said
you read the Bible every day.

Wow.

Are you still in touch with the former
brother -in -law?

No.

Are he and his brother estranged?

So it's brother -in -law, so it's not
like actual brother.

Okay, got it.

That's an important detail.

I mean, it's not. It was still very
shitty. Well, I mean, it was, but a

less shitty, maybe. I mean, give
yourself some grace. Maybe a little less

inbred. It was honestly.

Everyone is hearing about it for the
first time, which is crazy because I'm

reliving it. I'm constantly being called
a whore online, and in my comments,

they're nasty.

It's wild. Relating to the?

My brother -in -law, the situation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's different when

internet comes after you and trolls come
after you with nasty things because I,

too, admitted that I've had an affair
and been called every name in the book.

You think you're over it and then you
get on a show and Instagram takes off

trolls come in. It's hard. The comments
really hurt.

Welcome back.

Well, the Salt Lake City women vowed to
start the year with fresh powder and

fresh starts.

But it didn't take long for this crew to
draw their lines in the snow, landing

several friendships in hot water.

Bath water, to be exact. Take a look.

Whitney, I don't believe that you own
the things you say.

Because we left New York, I thought we
were in a neutral, peaceful zone. And

next thing I'm seeing is that Whitney
did an interview in the press.

She's bad.

It creeps me out to get in a bubble bath
with someone else.

That was a funny joke, Meredith. I'm
sorry that offended you. We don't want

lose brain cells over this. Save your
brain cells.

There are things that are going on that
are a lot fucking deeper than this

nonsense. There are children who are
going to be disabled for the rest of

lives. He's out.

Whenever Meredith is on the spot, this
is what she does. She pulls in some big

thing that she's going through. So it's
someone's sister -in -law's grandson's

three -year -old, and it's a headache,
and it's this and that. Like, when is it

really about... Don't you go there.

You take a sick child who will suffer
for the rest of his life to weaponize

against me? Don't you dare!

Over the last few years, we've had
trouble.

I want progression, especially with
friendships.

There's room always for growth.

With Meredith, I'm not going to go
backwards. I'm going to look forward.

Oh my gosh, Heather's calling me right
now.

Heather. What's up, Lisa Barlow?

I'm with my bestie.

Did you hear the news?

I am so sorry for your loss.

I got you. No.

I got you.

I'm so sorry. How are you? Hi, I'm
Robin.

Hey, guys.

Hi. Oh, my goodness. You brought work,
person.

Okay. Everything is about you.

No, it's not. No, it's not. And I think
that you can. I'm so sorry for you. It

is, Lisa. And I'm always there for you.
Always there for you. Always there for

you. And I just needed you for one
minute to be there for me.

Fuck this.

Fuck this.

I want to, like, forge a new path as
friends.

Well, it's going to be hard for me to
trust you that you really want to be my

friend. I guess you had a conversation
with Heather where I'm self -absorbing.

You're helping me be a better person.
When I was talking to Whitney, she said

she's like helping you be intuitive and
healing.

What the fuck is that?

Why are you meddling in my friend's
business? I'm not.

How is that meddling?

She's spinning this because what she's
doing is it's asking people to be like,

shut the fuck up.

All right.

There's a lot. There's a lot. Wow.

Well, we started off the season with our
two best friend duos back in action.

Meredith and Lisa, where do you two
stand today?

Well, we've had a few bumps along the
road for sure, but we have gotten back

a much better place. Much better place.
I feel like we're building a new

friendship. I feel like we went through
so much, like it's too hard to go back

there and it's like starting over.

So Heather and Whitney, where are you
today?

It was easy to get back to like true
love, you know, but there's still stuff

we're working through.

Yeah, there's many trust issues still. I
think it's the same thing. Our

relationship, it just looks different
now.

Yeah. Meredith, Whitney called you out
for your extraneous excuses.

Watching the show back, did it make you
see it from Whitney's point of view that

when you're backed in a corner, you tend
to deflect?

Actually, quite the opposite. Okay.

Everybody here has...

Their own things they go through.
Whitney lost a friend, and, you know,

obviously horrible and very sad.

And when Lisa approached you, you said,
I'm sorry, I can't talk about this right

now. Lisa cried about her makeup, and I
respected that. I respect people's

feelings, and I feel that mine are not
given the same respect. The rap on you

that you only bring it up when you're
confronted, that they don't know about

In other words, you'll be in the middle
of a fight and you'll say, well.

X is happening or Y is happening. So I
can answer that. You're going through

that with your friend. With my friend, I
found out that morning I was extremely

upset. So I kept trying to push it away
and push it away. And I finally just

reached a breaking point. I'm human.

And so, yes, that's why it came out at
that moment. I was trying to, like, not

deal with it. Do you see, though, how it
can be perceived that way? I hear what

you're saying. I totally can hear you.
Yes, I do see how it could be perceived

that way because most of the women in
this group don't care enough. to bother

asking me but we do i i personally do
care well i feel like i had the

conversation i see both sides in this
too because i feel like in some

i'm like meredith where i'm trying to do
my best and it's not being appreciated

so in that regard i see meredith's side
but i also see like how sometimes it can

look like an excuse so i see both sides
and i think now that we know that like

for you this is important

that you're like, hear me, let's talk
about it. We can revisit it at another

time. I'm not equipped to deal with it
right now or it's going to get ugly. I

think that's fair.

But you see both sides too, right?

You just have to see the perception.

That's fine. You can perceive as you
want, but the reality is I don't need an

excuse. You've all seen me in a
multitude of situations where it's too

know it's not going to get to a positive
outcome, and I'm disengaging. I don't

need an excuse.

Thank you. I'm disengaging. I am not
engaging. Are you serious?

I'm disengaged, sweetie.

Oh, my God.

I have no problem walking out on my own
two feet with no excuse, and you've seen

it a hundred times. So to put it on me
like I'm making up excuses and to

trivialize things that were hurting me
is just, it's not nice. Well, I don't

think that's what we were, yeah, but I
don't.

Ice Queen has a heart, and we learned
that this season. Meredith, putting it

back on you wasn't to hurt you, but
bringing it up was to say, Meredith, do

see what I'm seeing?

And, Whitney, I think the same can be
said for you, too. Like, everybody

processes things in a different way.
Like, when you lost your friend Sherry,

didn't know how to handle it. I do know
that I hugged you as soon as I gave

Heather all of her things and I asked
you, are you okay? And you said you

want to talk about it right now. Look
how far we've come. This is what you

have had.

How are you, by the way? The things that
she vowed never to share.

Are you doing okay?

Are you doing okay? I mean, no, but it's
near.

It feels like it's real.

Are you okay?

I handed her the gift. I gave you a hug
and I asked you how you were doing.

And in fact, in Bermuda, you said, you
asked me how I was doing too many times.

That's what upset me. That's what
triggered me. me. I can tell you our

conversation. So can I?

He said, I'm strong.

And so I was like, do I back off? And he
said, I don't want to talk about it.

I'm okay. Yeah, you kept saying, are you
okay? Are you okay? I did. I kept

checking on you. Like antagonizing me to
not be okay.

But then if I don't say that, then I'm
not checking in on you. So I'm in a zero

win situation.

And you were also clearly triggered by
the fact that I had gifts to give her

from her book signing.

Whitney, I am not wrong. I am not wrong.
I was dancing on eggshells with you and

I care about you. And my intention was
not to hurt you or to be dismissive of

you. Do you see how it looks from my
perspective?

I saw how it looked on the show and I
know how I experienced it because I am

very aware of how... But do you know how
it looks from my perspective?

I was talking to you and Angie
exclusively the days leading it up. And

give you any sign the days leading up
that I was not a friend to you and that

was not attentive to you and that I
didn't care? Yeah, after I called you

my house, you started creating distance.
No, that is absolutely not true. After

you called me out at your house, you
chastised me at your house. I did not

chastise you at your house. You
chastised me over and over again. You

hate criticism.

You need to leave. You need a break.

Are you okay?

No, I'm not okay because I've given you
grace. Like, there are so many things I

sweep under the rug to make sure we're
fine. No, I don't see it. No. Well, then

say what they are right now.

There are so many things I sweep under
the rug to make sure we're fine. No, I

don't see it. No. Well, then say what
they are right now.

Let's air it all out. It's this. I can't
ever have a conversation with you. No,

because you're telling me what happened
when it's on camera. I gave her the

stuff, and as soon as my arms were free,
I hugged you and said to you, are you

okay? And you said you don't want to
talk about it. You gave off the vibe

like, nothing I was going to do was
going to be okay.

Oh, my God.

I was just irritated that...

I had seen you going around the room.

I mean, I think for all of us, we all
have different history. We have

experiences. And if someone says they're
hurting, if someone says something was

traumatizing or upsetting, perhaps the
thing to do is to respect that. And if

you don't understand it, ask questions.

Okay. Andy from Beverly Hills said,
Angie, why were you so quick to forgive

Monica when she was the one spreading
the gay rumors about your husband that

literally made him cry, especially since
your daughter's going to see this in

the future? Yeah, I think at the time I
was really confused because Monica

continued to say she's saying this,
she's saying that. So in the moment, I

really focused on Meredith.

Being the one. And when I went to the
dessert shop, Monica really cried. And,

you know, I'm a very empathetic person.
I felt sorry for her situation with her

mom. I think I gave her a lot of grace.

So I went backwards and put it back on
Meredith.

And that's also why Lisa was hurt. Oh, I
was very hurt. Because, hold on, let me

finish, baby gorgeous.

Because I think we both really knew
where it was stemming from. But I gave

the benefit of the doubt. And I was
wrong.

I did. I did. What are you laughing at?
I'm laughing. because you keep phrasing

it as if I started this rumor. You
started it on national television.

You brought it out on national
television. I said that. I said I

But you waited for the camera. She also
told you I didn't say it to her and you

believed her instead of me.

I think the bottom line is in hindsight,
I regret that I...

really bought and fell for everything
Monica was saying. She's lied a lot

She's lied a lot, you know, last season.
So I've learned my lesson. But in the

moment, I felt sorry for her. And I
really felt like she cared about me as a

friend. And she never was.

So Andy's right.

Estetso from Southern California said,
Angie, how did you feel about Lisa

calling you weak and a liar? I hated it.
It hurt my feelings because Lisa knows

that I'm not weak. She's seen me address
and confront some really tough

situations. I think Lisa also knows that
I'm not a liar. I've been very

forthright as a friend. I'm a loyal
friend. And I think it really takes a

more strength to hold your composure, to
stay quiet and patient and loving and

kind to a friend, knowing that they may
not have the... best response I think

for me why I said that is I felt really
hurt I feel like I look extremely stupid

arguing with her because I had no idea
you guys made up I had no idea on Greek

Easter that she told you Meredith was
not The start of the rumor. She said it

wasn't Meredith. It was me. So I'm going
in there thinking I'm a loyal friend

and I'm being beyond authentic.

And you weren't in the middle of me and
Monica.

Because I said to you, if you're good
with Monica, then I really shouldn't

a beef with Monica. Because my whole
thing is being loyal to you and saying

you said about Sean was wrong.

And I will stand by that every single
day. I think it's a lie and I think it

wrong. I don't think you should have
ever said it because we all know it's

true. And are we friends? Yes. Was I
hurt?

Really badly? Absolutely. Because I'm
like, how are you in the middle? I'm

taking your side.

Yeah. I'm taking your side. And I can
see why Lisa felt this way. But the

line is, you know, I...

Was very hurt that you were that quick
to say I was weak and I was a liar

because you know I'm not any of that,
okay? Well, in the moment, you were

to me because you were withholding
things. And I wasn't. You were

information. I watched our conversation.

I took accountability.

I said there were things I would do
different moving forward.

I was acknowledging everything I could
have done different to grow the human.

Lisa, I felt the conversation was very
one -sided. You didn't really do a lot

self -reflecting in the moment. No,
because you were saying you were playing

both sides. You were not being Monica's
friend. I admit that I wasn't being

forthright. Yeah, or mine.

And that's how I felt. I just want to
say, not sharing with Lisa what Monica

told you about me had a massive, massive
impact on the relationship. Yes, she

saw it, though, when she walked out. Oh,
yes. Whitney,

do you stand by your statement that Lisa
lacks self -awareness and makes every

situation about herself?

I think that from the, well, yes.

No, I do not.

Do I get to defend myself?

But you have already. Honestly. No, I
don't get to defend myself. But I hate

when my intentions are so
misinterpreted. It's like I just speak a

language and I think it's like East
Coast, West Coast.

It's actually when you ignore us after a
confrontation. Like after a

confrontation happens and you don't
respond to the text, you start like

distance. That's when it becomes very
difficult. I do do that. I do do that

because I would rather.

Take a step back, because like I told
you, I'm a fucking bulldog, and I will

come hard.

But as your friend, can you just say, I
need space, I'll talk when I'm ready?

Yeah, I can do that. It's not a problem.

Whitney, do you really think you're
solely responsible for Lisa's growth as

person? No.

Lisa, at dinner on the first night in
Bermuda, what did Whitney mean when she

said no one at the table would
understand your friendship?

I think the biggest point she was trying
to make is it's a real friendship.

And that's why even when Heather asked
me if you're friends, yeah, we're

friends. Yeah, every time she's like, I
love Whitney. We are real friends.

So Heather and Lisa, are you two bad
leather?

Well, good leather.

That's my fruit leather.

That was the sadiest thing you've ever
said. Really? That's saying something.

Oh, my God.

Heather, did anyone bring you an
espresso martini?

You did not bring one in, but I probably
could eat. Does anyone? Can we all have

one? That would be so amazing.

I have one sitting in my green room. No,
I want one. I had two sips and then I

left. I should have brought it down
here. I didn't think about it.

Welcome back. Well, when it comes to the
marriages in this group, Meredith and

Seth weren't the only ones hanging by a
thread. The most scandalous marital

drama this season was the accusation
that behind Angie's giant sunglasses,

was hiding rumors and nastiness about
her family. Watch.

What the frick's the rumor with Angie K?

If I want to go for the jugular and talk
about this shit.

The rumors, the nastiness about her.

I can do that. Do you know what? You
want me to go there with her? I can go

there. Do you know what the rumor is?

The rumor is that Sean likes to fuck
other men.

Gay, straight, whatever.

It's the adultery part of it that's bad.

Electra's going to hear about this. It
kills me.

To think that she would ever think that
I would do something like this.

Whitney, at what point did Justin stop
wearing his wedding ring and why?

You know, it was never really about the
wedding ring itself. It was more about

the pressure I was feeling of the change
in our dynamic because I actually feel

bad. The wedding ring stopped fitting
him.

Okay. And I wasn't made aware of that
until he showed me that it physically

uncomfortable for him.

You know, my man is a big man.

Yeah. After that moment, he started
wearing it on his necklace.

How are the two of you doing?

We're doing much better.

Much better. I think that we've been
married for 14 years.

14 years is a long time. Ups and downs.
And if you look at everything that I've

brought, just in my own trauma into the
marriage, Justin is an incredible human

being. He's a saint. And therapy has
helped a lot.

Lisa, you and Whitney were very close
this season. Were you aware of the

problems she was having with Justin?

No. One time she made a comment at the
roller skating rink that, like, she was

upset with Justin and she quipped at him
quickly.

And that was it. That was the extent of
it. She didn't go into detail, and they

seemed happy and fine.

Hindsight, Andy, it wasn't really about
our relationship.

It was about everything that...

has happened over the last couple of
years. Me going through a lot of trauma

work, like friendships changing.

Like Heather and I's friendship breakup
took a major toll on me in this

situation. And on me and Justin. I've
had a lot on my plate.

And the husbands are the ones we take it
out on. And Justin is a man of few

words. He's not the best communicator.
By the way, you've said that you don't

believe people are meant to be
monogamous. No, I think that it takes

How does that play into your
relationship?

It doesn't play into it. Okay. It wasn't
a tease. I was like, why is Whitney

sitting down here?

The sentiment was that it takes a lot of
work to stay married.

Meredith, you and Seth have seen other
people when you've been separated. Does

that make you appreciate him more?

I mean, in my case, 100%. I don't know
if it always works that way for people,

but in our case,

100%. All right. Monica, news of your
divorce has been in the press recently.

You said at BravoCon it was finalized in
October. How does it feel to be

officially divorced?

I don't know. I mean, I felt we've been
separated for two and a half years.

So it kind of just feels the same,
honestly.

I read that you're going to get $6 ,600
a month in child support.

That has to feel good.

Yeah, I guess.

No? I mean, it's support.

Yeah, it is.

Good support.

In your divorce documents, I guess it
said that your company had zero value.

Could that be true?

Yeah, when COVID hit, I just shut
everything down. Oh, you did?

Mm -hmm. So it's not going right now?

You know, with the show. You should get
it going.

Yeah. I was going to say, I helped you
with a photo shoot. Yeah. And I bought

blankets. No, I want to restart it. You
should. I haven't gotten them yet, but I

ordered them. Manufacturing stopped. I
feel like everyone in the world knows

when COVID happened, everything shut
down. Right. And I pretty much shut

So when they went back on our taxes and
what did you make?

$20, $21, $20. Right. I didn't have any
income. Got it. But it's active now. You

can buy blankets today. Yes.

Got it.

And are people getting them delivered
when they buy them because they were

complaining online that they were not?

I know, because I didn't have enough. I
didn't expect people to buy that much.

So I had to reorder. And I've refunded a
lot of orders, actually.

It was sad seeing Sean.

get emotional about the cheating
allegations.

How are you, Sean, and Elektra doing
after all this has aired and everything?

Doing great.

I think, you know, the big thing is, you
know, there's a couple weeks in there

where you're hearing about it on the
Internet, you're hearing about it in

business because, you know, someone felt
like they should drop that on national

television.

You had never heard this rumor before?
No, and I'm going to be really clear

because I feel like there was a lot of
confusion.

30 years ago when Sean and I first met,
people would say, ooh, that guy's hot or

he has nice legs while he's doing hair.
Is he gay? No, that's his wife over

there. Once it was established that we
were a couple in Salt Lake City, it

wasn't brought up, right? So to have
this suddenly 30 years later that

men bragging about the sex, Sean fucks
men, this has never come up until this

rat came out of the sewer and here it
is.

Don't act like it's the first human
called a rat, Monica.

That's why I'm laughing. It's not funny.
You should come up with something else.

And I was not mean to you at all during
filming. You were mean. You were mean.

You were mean. I was not mean to you,
Angie. You backstabbed me right in front

of my face. How is that different than
you telling her she lays on her back and

spreads her legs? But I'm evil.

You don't talk about my marriage. Don't
touch me. Run away, marriage.

Not me.

Meredith didn't pretend to be my friend.
That's the difference. You pretended to

be my friend.

Meredith, you never elaborated on the
rumors and nastiness in Angie's

but you did dangle that carrot first in
front of Lisa at the restaurant and then

to Whitney at the airport.

What was your motivation in doing so, if
not to get one of them to say the rumor

on camera?

Well, first of all, I didn't say it was
for marriage.

You said, do you want me to talk about
the husband?

Yes, that's right. And the family.

I actually have the exact words if we
would like to go back to it. That's

What I said exactly.

Okay. If I want to go for the jugular
and talk about that, this shit, the

rumors, the nastiness, we can do that.

You know what? You want me to go there
with her husband?

I can go there. Don't fuck with me. Tell
her to fuck off. Okay. Well, that seems

like you're dangling a rumor about a
husband.

Correct. I didn't say in their marriage,
though, did I?

Dismantled. So, I don't know. What is
the difference?

The difference is there could be rumors
pertaining to her husband that have

nothing to do with their marriage. Okay,
so let's just... There are rumors about

everyone. Let's make that clear. Let's
go more globally and say...

You dangled the rumors in front of Lisa
and Whitney. So were you doing it

in order to get someone else to bring
them up on camera?

No. Okay. In front of Lisa, I was having
a reaction to Angie's behavior towards

me after I'd been heavily provoked, had
a couple of drinks, and had some other

very heavy things on my mind. That was
out of anger. Angie, I want to know what

you think.

based on what Monica repeated, you were
threatening rumors that were about my

husband's sexuality.

It's not right to do this to people with
families, with small children, with

businesses. I am a pillar in the
community in Salt Lake City, and I have

had a really incredible reputation.

Because we don't have footage of you.
You, at a minimum, have called me a

I have multiple personality disorder.

I'm a lying bitch. You criticize my
marriage. You criticize my business. You

threaten to take a hit on my family. You
call me a trampoline with eyes. That

was a compliment. An addict that I've
used my son as a pawn to take the heat

me for rumors that I did not spread.

Okay, I can't keep up. Let's do this one
by one. That's why I started rumors

about you, that you made me relevant,
and you threatened me in the cave. Those

are just the two I could think of off
the top of my head.

I do think I activated you.

I have multiple personality disorder.
I'm a lying bitch. You criticized my

marriage. Called me a trampoline with
eyes. You said I was going to get fired.

So that's why I started rumors about
you. That you made me relevant and you

threatened me in the cave. And those are
just the things I could think of off

the top of my head.

This is great. I do think I activated
you.

And you're welcome. Hey, I don't know
what to say about that.

I didn't need your help, Angie. I've
done pretty fine being relevant on my

without you. Look, I didn't say you had
multiple personality disorders. Oh, you

did. Your voice was changing. It's in
the press. I don't really truly believe

that. It was a joke about you having
multiple different voices.

And I would rather call you a trampoline
with eyes. That means you have nice,

tight skin than say that you're wrinkly.
So I would take that as a compliment.

Angie, you screamed, the only one who
spreads their legs outside their

is you.

What exactly were you referring to?

Meredith, I'm going to be honest.

Basically, I was told that you and your
husband were seeing other people, and

that's why that came out. I'm sorry that
I said that. It was basically in

response to...

I think it's really sad for women to
poke and prod at another woman for being

honest about marital problems and to try
to weaponize that against her.

at a later date when they're really
happy. I think it's just shitty.

Meredith, when you bring up other
marriages, I never brought up your

You brought up Lisa's marriage, and then
you said things about mine. So it just

naturally comes back out. That's how
this works. You say one thing, someone

brings up another.

It's like, oh, really, you're saying
this? Well, guess what you said a year

Okay, so don't you want to do better
rather than doing worse? If I want to

-up everything you said about me, it
will go south really fast.

I don't want to. I want to be a better
person for me.

Okay, so if I say something, you're
going to sit there and stay silent?

what happens. I pretty much did until I
lost my temper.

It's a back and forth. All right. Ira
Madison 3 tweeted, Whitney definitely

Monica to be the one to bring the rumor
up on camera in her villain era.

Whitney, how do you respond to that?
It's absolutely not true. One.

This is a very tricky situation because
I never knew about the rumors. I did not

know what they were. The first time I
heard about the rumor was when Lisa came

into my room in Palm Springs and said
Meredith said this about Angie's family.

She's like, I know stuff about their
family.

And I'm like, not this again. Oh, my
God.

First of all, I just want to start by
saying I don't blame Whitney for what

comes out of my mouth. Like, I say what
I want to say, so I don't want her to

get blamed for that.

Thank you for that, Monica. I just want
to say that Monica was determined for

this to come out about me, this alleged
story.

Because she went around to everyone in
this group and said there were rumors

about me in the first week of filming
when I thought that we were friends. She

was determined to come on National. I
literally did not ever tell Whitney that

rumor. This is my marriage. This is my
moment. You have no respect for love and

marriage. You're right. You finally made
it. You finally made it four seasons

later. I made it? Bitch, I... I deserve
to be here because I got all the boxes.

You fucking rain rover under a fucking
carport.

You're running your kids' money on a
fucking purse. You're irresponsible.

And you're sending a bad message to your
daughter.

Fuck off, bitch. You've talked about
mine. Fuck off.

Next week, it's part two of the Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion.

Jack Farlow was recently seen in
California. Did he not go to Columbia?

bounced on his mission. He's not going.

You relentlessly came after me for
supporting Jack in the mission, and you

called me a hypocrite over it.

Lisa accused you of stalking Jen's
house.

Lisa and Angie are relentless with me.
That's unacceptable.

Did you feel that you needed Mary back
this season to help out? There was some

comedic relief in there that was good.

Angie, this is your first year.

Why are you being answering?

Heather, shut the fuck up.

It's reality, Von Tief. You're reality,
Von Tief. It's six people, Lisa. It's

not. You don't know what you're talking
about. Are you serious?