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Previously on The Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City.
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Are we supposed to clap or just like
respect? All aboard the
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Gentshaw Express.
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I think booze and bike rides is what
this group needs right now.
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Well, that I was actually abused, I just
don't remember
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it.
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My siblings, Curtis and Kelly, they're
all on a similar journey, and we're all
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coming together, and I get to see my
brother, Curtis, that I haven't seen in
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years. I wasn't expecting this.
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And I really need it now more than ever,
so thank you.
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It's rumored that one of your,
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that has the jazz ticket, that you've
been involved with.
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Are you crazy?
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Angie told us John, Carlo, and Lisa have
those tickets.
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I've never heard it. You don't think I
would love that information on her?
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You are lying, right? Tell me how.
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Angie told us and you were there. I did
not hear it.
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Thank you for calling me a...
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You liar!
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You called me a liar. God damn you!
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Heather, Heather.
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You!
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Hey,
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please, I'd love to be... Heather, what
happened?
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What is going on?
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This is funny.
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Tonight was supposed to be hot girls and
lingerie, gnawing away at hunks of
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meat. And then Whitney decided to unload
all of these rumors about Lisa giving
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blowies for basketball seats.
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And now she's bragged me into it, and
I'm a liar in lingerie without a stake
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be found.
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Whitney said that I had heard this
nugget about Lisa fucking some guy for
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courtside jazz tickets.
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She's drunk, and she doesn't know what
she's saying.
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Hester didn't even know what I was going
through because I just sit there and
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listen to her.
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She never took the time to even ask me
what I was doing.
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It goes straight to my abuse.
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Like, everyone gives me what they want.
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I'm starting to realize now that because
of the abuse that I suffered as a kid,
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I never learned how to stand up for
myself.
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or how to set boundaries with people.
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And now that I am able to hold a
boundary, other people struggle with it
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they're seeing me show up in a different
way that they weren't expecting.
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I'm really
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hurt by Heather.
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She's the person who knows me the best,
who I'm closest to.
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who I'd expect to be there for me in my
darkest hour, I'm starting to realize
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that maybe Heather doesn't give a f***
about me.
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I am done. I am not done.
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I'm so mad.
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I've never fought with Whitney like
this, ever.
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We have had big disagreements, but she
has never looked at me and called me a
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liar, ever.
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And that's like a pretty big accusation
about a pretty stupid thing.
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Don't call me a liar. You called me a
liar. I never did.
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Look at me. Look at me. If you are too
drunk right now to be cognizant of
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happening, you better be real. And if
you need more validity, find some facts.
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The facts is Angie. Let's call Angie.
Because Angie told me.
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I don't care who Lisa's.
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Meredith, I don't care who you, who Jen,
I don't care.
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I want to come together and support our
friend who's facing, I'm sorry, 50 years
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in prison.
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And guess what this entire evening has
become about?
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You and you and Lisa. And that is not
the purpose of this trip. So get focused
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and realize what this is all about.
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Wait, what?
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That night, Heather, because...
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You lost me.
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Bitch, don't come at me.
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Oh, my God. I am already barely forging
a foundation with Lisa, and the last
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thing I want to do is just lie.
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And your path to truth and friendship
with Lisa is not mine.
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Certainly not if it requires me to lie
or back up bullshit.
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I know I'm making you uncomfortable
right now, but your boo is my thing.
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Because it pushes them up. Because
they're, like, at eye level.
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Thanks for being my friend tonight. I
appreciate, like, the progress we've
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and, like, where we are.
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You don't have to thank me for being
your friend. I want to be your friend.
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show up as your friend. And I'm telling
you as a friend, I have never had a
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conversation with any single person here
about anything about your marriage or
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your extramarital affair. Thank you.
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I'm flying to New York tomorrow night on
the red -eye. Yeah, which is why we
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don't need to talk about this anymore.
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She's leaving for New York to prepare
for the trial of her goddamn life.
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I'm going to bed.
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Love you, love you. I'm going to sleep.
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Let me just leave. I need to call John.
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Thanks for being here for me.
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She doesn't know she can.
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I have brought a professional in.
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Next on stage.
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What's up, pussy?
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This feels wrong.
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I mean, does anybody else feel wrong?
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All right, ladies. No,
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she's an instructor.
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Oh, how rude of me to assume she's going
to perform.
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What'd she do, fly her in?
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From Atlantic City?
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The current Shaw Squad, you got to wear
a lot of hats.
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Okay.
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My makeup artist is also Crystal Pussy.
She is also a twerking instructor.
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Wait, turn around. What is this outfit?
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God damn.
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Wow. I need y 'all to twerk like you
need to make some money to pay your
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Hello, we're on this healing trip for
me, I thought.
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So you know what? Let me bring the
healing crystal pussy to the party.
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Okay, you guys want to go like down
here? Pay your rent. You want to go
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You want to have power? You want to have
life? You want to have a roof over your
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head? Pay that rent.
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Pay that rent. Pay that rent.
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Pay that rent. Pay that rent.
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What?
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Okay. Pay that rent. You're paying that
rent. Yes.
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I don't think I was built to twerk.
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She can twerk everywhere.
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I can squeeze one butt, Chief.
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It is definitely not in my wheelhouse.
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I will not be making rents this month,
and I'm okay with it. Ready? One, two,
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three.
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Good night. Love y 'all.
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Coming up. I realized I was just being
manipulated and used and abused.
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Okay.
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What in the world?
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Heather, no words needed here.
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Bad weather no matter what.
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XOXO, Witten.
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I've come to speak with the emperor.
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Oh.
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Those are cute pajamas.
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Thank you. They look much warmer and
tropical.
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Then the weather is reflecting. Yeah, I
mean. Why is it raining in the desert?
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Do we bring the rain?
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I think our behavior did.
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I woke up to a very visual
representation of how Whitney feels
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friendship right now. She was very upset
last night. She ripped up.
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Our friendship card in my room when I
woke up this morning was shredded.
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Actually, I don't know how I can get her
back.
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She left it for me to find.
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And I'm just like, what the?
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I didn't realize it. Because I just
walked through it last night. I fell
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in a pile of milk dubs.
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That was how that night ended.
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How are you doing this morning?
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How I feel?
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Do you think you can have a talk with
Heather today?
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Yeah, but I'm just... You're hurt.
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I feel completely betrayed.
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I think there's a lot of things going
on. I mean, obviously she's dealing with
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her own emotional stuff right now. I
love her. I would never betray her. I
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never even...
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Speak ill of her.
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I got to go get ready. Okay. To see my
brother.
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Is your sister going to be there?
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I hope so.
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Are you okay to go see him?
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I don't know.
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There are two people in this world that
understand and know what I'm going
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through right now, and that's my half
-brother and sister, Curtis and Kelly.
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Curtis really encouraged me to push
through and come on this trip, so I need
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see them.
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I love you. I hope I get to see you.
Will you keep me posted? Yeah, I'm going
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get there so you can get back before you
go.
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Let me know when you leave and stuff.
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Okay, I will.
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Oh, I need to pack this.
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This reprieve for a couple days, it's
done now. Now it's back to reality. Now
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have to get back and immersed into trial
preparation.
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I just wanted a minute, a few days to
just pretend this was not happening.
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It gives me anxiety because of what I
know the consequences are and what this
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means for me and my family.
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This is what's blowing my mind. This
whole trip was supposed to be about Jen.
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I know.
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This whole trip was supposed to be fun
and instead Whitney sobbing. I recognize
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somehow that this was all like
triggering back to her abuse side of
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I didn't get mad at her. I was hugging
her because I know she is suffering so
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deeply inside right now trying to put
these pieces together.
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Hello. Good morning.
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This entire process is very intense for
me. I'm hopeful that I can
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find... some relief and some comfort in
meeting with Curtis and Kelly and
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continue to connect the dots that I have
forgotten about my childhood.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Welcome. How are you?
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Good. So good.
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Come on out. You're looking good.
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Thank you. Hey.
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Hi, Tanya.
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I've been looking at you so long.
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Your house is amazing.
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Thank you. I wish I was staying at this
house.
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Witty. Uh -oh. Oh, my sissy.
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Curtis and Kelly and I share the same
father. We have different mothers.
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I worry about you not having us with
you, you know?
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That's why I'm here. I wasn't extremely
close to them growing up because when my
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dad divorced their mom and married my
mom and had me and my sister, he really
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just focused his time on our family.
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Like, I saw Curtis and Kelly maybe a
handful of times throughout my
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I'm just so grateful that they're
willing to show up for me now.
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and I can have them a part of my life
now.
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I remember when you were born, I got a
phone call saying, you have a little
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sister, her name's Whitney. And I was
like, who is this?
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Justin and I talk about that a lot. I'm
like, I have an older sister that you've
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never met.
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You've never met Justin?
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No. Justin's cool.
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I'm on like this massive healing
journey.
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I just have this huge gaping wound that
I need to close.
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And I just feel like you both are the
missing link to that.
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I hate that we didn't have a connection
growing up. No, we did. We did.
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I've always felt like we're a lot alike.
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When I went to Utah, before I went on a
mission, I spent some time with you
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there.
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You did?
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Yeah, you probably don't remember that,
but I do. I was in college. I can feel
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things. So when you're saying that, I
know you were around. I know I saw you.
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You know, and I talk to Will a lot about
different memories that I have.
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Yeah.
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And just through this process, I
realized I was just being manipulated
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and abused.
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Like, I just realized even though our
situations are probably different, the
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feeling's the same.
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Well... Curtis Kelly and I's traumas are
all different.
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We share the same feeling of being let
down by this person that we all knew,
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we should have been able to trust.
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I think for me, I realized early that
hurt people hurt other people.
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Yeah. And so if somebody is hurting me,
like, I automatically think, you must be
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hurting. There's two sides to the coin,
right? And we get to choose which side
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we look at. I can't erase the negative.
I can just erase the way I kind of feel
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about it. There's a lot of good that
came from that relationship, and you
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to remember that.
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And I think every time you find that
gratitude, at least in my life, it gets
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out in front of the negative. Yeah.
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I'm telling you, it'll never make sense
to you, okay?
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that's what you need to understand. It
will never make sense. There's never
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going to be a moment where you're like,
okay, I am free, I'm successful, I've
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got it, everything is good. No, because
it's not your wound to heal, and it may
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never happen.
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Do you want it to just disappear and
never feel it? Because it hasn't for me
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yet. It never will.
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No, I just needed to see you both and
hear you say that it's okay that I let
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go. Yeah, no, move on.
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Everybody's got something.
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that they have to deal with.
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So deal with it, but give it a time and
a place.
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You have to, Whitney.
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I don't know what the next steps are to
continue to heal and move on, but I do
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know that I'm going to let go because
this is no longer serving me, and I know
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that Curtis and Kelly are going to be
instrumental in helping me get through
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that.
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I'm super proud of you, Whitney.
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Thank you, Curtis. I'm proud of you,
too.
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Coming up, it is hard to sit there and
listen to lies and you can't talk.
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What is the expression they want you to
have? Just stoic? Blank, probably.
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Blank? Yeah. My lead trial attorney
said, you know, Jen, I'm going to need
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to not get Botox.
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Hi.
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Good morning.
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I've got eggs, bacon, hash browns. So
Jen's leaving soon.
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I'm glad we got a fun girls trip for
her.
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Well, I hope she thinks it was fun.
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It wasn't fun.
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There was nothing fun about it.
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What time did you end up going to bed?
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I slept like three.
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Good morning.
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I still feel awkward about everything.
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I feel like I'm getting to a better
place with Meredith, but I still don't
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what her role was in all of these
rumors.
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I was really upset last night. I called
John. He helped calm me down.
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After having a burrito and some Kit
Kats, I realized this needs to be about
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So I'm going to put all this petty
bullshit aside for a little bit, and
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figure out everything later. Right now,
I need to be here for Jen.
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The heavens are crying because Jen's
leaving.
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Good morning.
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Good morning.
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Oh, hi.
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Cheers to the new day.
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Ben, how are you feeling about
everything?
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I have, like, a full -on anxiety attack
this morning.
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Because I have to, like, actually fly to
New York, and I'm going by myself.
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Are you going through discovery with
them? Are you doing, like, depositions?
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What are you doing? You know, we are
going through another mock trial while
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there.
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This is the first time I will be hearing
our side, the defense side. We did a
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mock trial last week of the prosecution
side.
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And, I mean, I walked out twice, slammed
the door.
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It is hard to sit there and listen to
lies, and you can't talk.
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What is the expression they want you to
have, just stoic? Blank, probably.
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Blank, right? In fact, my lead trial
attorney, Priya, said, you know, Jen,
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going to need you to not get Botox.
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I'm like, what?
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She goes, when we were talking earlier,
you were talking about something very
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emotional, and you're crying, but your
face isn't moving. I need your face to
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move.
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Wait, so you're taking the stand. You're
totally testifying.
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I have no issue testifying. I think it
just depends.
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Like, we don't, you don't know. You
don't know yet, for sure. Yeah.
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We are a month away now.
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That's why this trip was important to me
because I need a little bit of, like,
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reprieve from that and to just, like,
get away.
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What are you doing to calm yourself and
to keep yourself, like... A lot of times
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I'll go just lay down next to Omar.
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Oh. And that calms me down.
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It's really hard for my boys.
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omar to think about that and think of
like not having his mom around it put in
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perspective all of the black things and
things that i have to be grateful for
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that's why i've just tried to like not
take anything for granted anymore
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and celebrate every single day because
what if something happens and i am not
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here to celebrate it next year
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It's overwhelming.
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I'm going to be leaving here probably in
like 45 minutes.
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Oh, hi.
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You look pretty and refreshed.
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Sorry,
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my brother's house took a little bit
longer.
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So, I haven't...
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spoken to Heather or seen her. And
honestly, right now, I want nothing to
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with her.
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Are you all packed?
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Pretty much. And pretty much for me, I
mean, she's not.
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Yeah.
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Do you want a selfie pack?
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Yeah, probably, because, you know, I'm
not very good at making slides at all.
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You know, Jen's been putting on an
amazing, brave face.
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that we're all starting to see her
crack.
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And we don't know what's going to
happen.
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And in a year from now, I don't know if
she's going to be at the same table with
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all of us.
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You have so much stuff in here.
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Now I can see what I can borrow.
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Okay, I'm leaving these games for you
guys to play while I'm gone.
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We're not going to play any games or
have any fun without you. You're going
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be stuck in the house.
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Hair, hair, hair.
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You want hair? I'm here.
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Oh my gosh, it's some hair.
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Okay, you know what? I think I need to
get changed.
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We'll get your bags. We'll get your bag.
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You got this.
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The trip meant a lot to me.
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Come on, group hug, group hug, group
hug, group hug, group hug.
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For women, believe in me, love me, and
support me. And that's what's important
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to me.
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Okay, you're going to miss your plane.
God bless y 'all. Love you. Get in the
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car. Bye, babe. Bye.
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I think that's smart. I'm going to do
the same.
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I'll see you later.
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With everything Jen has going on and her
trial looming over her head, it gives
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perspective on letting things go. I
mean, nothing is bigger than what she
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going on right now within this group.
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That's a lot. That's a lot.
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I don't know if my eyelids can take any
more crying.
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Coming up. The trip got derailed, and it
wasn't me that derailed it. You pushed
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me into the wall.
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And called me a liar. You are up a river
with no paddle. Stop!
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I have no standards. Let's just go.
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Oh, it's raining hard, huh?
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Oh, yes, the rain.
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Hi.
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Thank you.
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Wonderful.
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You guys are going to be right here.
We'll get some waters out for you guys.
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Get all comfortable.
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Thank you.
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We have some photos of 1942 to welcome
you to us.
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Thank you. Here's one for you. Thank
you.
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May I get a Diet Coke, too? Yes, of
course. What are we going to toast to?
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I think everybody should pick just one
word of something meaningful for us all
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to toast to. Okay.
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One word. And I don't know my words, so
someone else can go first. Love. I'll do
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it. Love.
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Peace. Heather.
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Friendship. Okay.
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Honesty.
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Here we go.
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Yes. Cheers.
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Heather and I still have not spoken.
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We are still not good.
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Just because Heather wants to sweep us
under the rug does not mean that last
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night is over.
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We're going there.
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I know that I am not lying, and I know
that she hurt me deeply.
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Thank you for calling me a fucking liar.
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You are too drunk right now to be
talking to someone who wants catnip.
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No, I never want that.
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You ready to put some food in? We would
just order stuff for all of us, please.
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So this is your dad's oldest son?
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No, she's my dad's firstborn. Oh, okay.
Got it. Kelly.
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Oh, you guys have similarity.
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She looks just like my dad. Is this your
sister?
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My sister and brother.
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That's her dad's oldest child.
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She's beautiful. You definitely look
related.
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You know, I lived in Scottsdale for a
year of my life. You did? Wait, what? I
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did. Wait, what? Why is this just coming
up now?
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Because I didn't think about it until
now.
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Her sister had bronchitis, right? My
sister had chronic bronchitis. My father
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used to, like, develop communities
through the Sunbelt States.
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And so we moved here for a year to,
like, dry out my sister's lungs, you
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to be in the dry heat.
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Aw.
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And I always remember...
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That there was this one restaurant that
I loved called Pinnacle Peak.
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And I would always make my father wear a
tie.
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Because they would cut your tie off.
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Because it was the Wild West.
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And your dad would do that? He'd wear a
tie and let him cut it?
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Which is sweet.
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You remember that. And there were a
million times you went to dinner that
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don't remember. You know what I mean?
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Which is why when you have to hold on to
those memories, because they're
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significant. You don't never know what's
going to hit, what's going to imprint,
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you know?
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I need to run to the restroom really
quick.
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I'm glad you're having happy memories.
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Yeah, it was good.
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It was good.
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So, how do you feel about things with
Heather after last night?
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You guys need to talk.
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One, it shocked me. Like, I needed her
in that moment because I was doing
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something very hard for me and speaking
the truth.
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And for her to not back me up, but in
fact call me a liar, that
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crushed me.
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Because he is literally the one person.
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that I thought would never do that to
me.
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Because she knows what I'm going through
and knows that my biggest issue is
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trust, not being heard, being abused,
and being taken advantage of.
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Who's Heather?
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Hello, Heather Gay. What did I miss?
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For her to not back me up, but in fact
call me a liar, that crushed
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me.
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What did I
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miss?
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I was just talking about last night,
like, how
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it's going to vary.
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difficult situation i needed you and you
weren't there for me and in fact you
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hurt me deeply and called me a liar and
told me that i was too
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drunk that i don't remember it when i
know that you know what i'm talking
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like that hurt me because i felt like
you are my girl heather and in a tough
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moment when i needed you i'm unclear on
what was the tough moment that you
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needed me to corroborate a story that
you had heard
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Cassandra, you knew it. All I needed you
to say is... I didn't know that.
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00:31:48,980 --> 00:31:53,440
Heather, let's just be honest and real.
You and I have had many conversations
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about Lisa.
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Absolutely not about blowjobs for
courtside seats. Never once, never, not
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If you want to continue... Guess what?
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If someone says something horrible to me
and I choose to recuse that and not
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remember it and not put it in my bank
and not pull it out to hurt someone,
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is my...
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It is not an indication of my loyalty to
you, my loyalty to them. That is my
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choice. You want to talk about it? You
talk about it. I don't have to sign up
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for every single issue that is important
to you. You did not need me. I did need
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you. That is a lie. You did not need me.
I did need you. Why? Just say, yeah,
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I've heard Lisa gave a blowjob for a
court -side beat.
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If we stop saying that, because that's
really upsetting to me, so I'd
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it if you didn't say that.
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You didn't need me. That's a false idea
in your head. It was supposed to be a
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trip for Jen.
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Why are you coming in screaming and
crying about Lisa's rumors when the real
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drama was our good friend is facing 50
years in prison and was leaving alone on
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a flight?
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Now you're using Jen as your scapegoat
to what's really going on here.
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Jen's not a scapegoat. You arranged this
trip. You wanted to celebrate Jen not
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to work through all of your... personal
issues and your issues and friendship
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with Lisa.
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00:33:12,130 --> 00:33:16,510
You made it about you. I did not make
this about me. The first night was about
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you and you were crying and we talked
all about your childhood abuse. That was
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the first dinner.
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That was all about you. That wasn't
about Jen.
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This is like a huge blow that she isn't
supporting me as her friend and
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supporting me as I'm going through
something hard.
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Like it hurt.
474
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,380
And we're going to die on the cross of
what I've heard about Lisa?
475
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:49,560
I think you have to explain, because
what resonated to me was not about this
476
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,800
that. It's true or false.
477
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:56,400
It's about the position you feel that
you are in. Whether anyone's put you
478
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,200
or not, those are your feelings.
479
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,680
And you need to explain that to Heather.
480
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,960
Heather, what you need to realize is
where my pain is coming from. is because
481
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,540
the one person that was safe to me, you,
that is where my pain is.
482
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,000
Abuse, being taken advantage of, not
having a voice, poor timing, poor
483
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,199
because I have something to say, but no
one listens to me.
484
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:27,380
And I needed you in that moment to just
validate that I was speaking the truth.
485
00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:28,279
That's it.
486
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,820
You hurt me deeply.
487
00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:32,080
You hurt me too.
488
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,080
You came into my room. You ripped stuff.
489
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,139
Knock stuff over. How is that a truth
seeker trying to heal?
490
00:34:39,460 --> 00:34:40,900
I messed up your card.
491
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,340
Okay, how is that a truth seeker? Will
that hurt me?
492
00:34:44,620 --> 00:34:45,620
So we're even.
493
00:34:47,659 --> 00:34:50,980
Well, I'm cleansing a lot of family out
of my life right now.
494
00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:54,480
Okay, well, why don't you be accountable
for stirring up a lot of drama on a
495
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,139
trip that was supposed to be to
celebrate a friend who's facing real
496
00:34:57,139 --> 00:34:58,200
and real issues.
497
00:35:01,220 --> 00:35:03,280
Truth seeker, that's not a true thing.
498
00:35:03,870 --> 00:35:07,290
Not rumors and bullshit that she says is
not true. Oh, my God.
499
00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:18,910
At this point, I think Heather is
completely unaware of how insensitive
500
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:20,250
she's being to Whitney.
501
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:25,990
She's going through a lot. You should be
asking her how she's feeling and how
502
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:29,670
she's doing instead of saying she's
making the trip all about her.
503
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,980
The sensitivity chip? Let's put it back
in, Heather.
504
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:37,760
The chip got derailed, and it wasn't me
that derailed it. You pushed me into the
505
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,100
wall and called me a liar. You are up a
river with no paddle.
506
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,320
Stop!
507
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:48,100
You're not going to put this on me. I'm
not going to put this on you. This is
508
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:50,580
both of us talking about it. This is
what mature adults do.
509
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:54,530
But every time I talk about my feelings,
you say, don't talk about feelings. I
510
00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:58,490
don't want to do this. You only talk
about feelings. That's how you, that's
511
00:35:58,490 --> 00:36:01,830
it's about. You're in charge of the way,
of the dialogue that we all get to
512
00:36:01,830 --> 00:36:04,530
have. What if we want to just have a
fun, light, easy dinner?
513
00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:08,930
Okay, we can do that.
514
00:36:09,330 --> 00:36:12,470
This conversation is unproductive. It's
not going anywhere.
515
00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:16,850
And what I'm processing personally is
more important than worrying about
516
00:36:16,850 --> 00:36:17,850
and I.
517
00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:19,930
It's too much for me to take on right
now.
518
00:36:21,070 --> 00:36:25,130
Okay, guys, we are leaving tomorrow.
519
00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:28,270
Can we just have some fun for a minute?
520
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:30,550
I'm so down for that.
521
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:32,190
Okay. Lisa?
522
00:36:32,850 --> 00:36:34,210
I'm in. Okay.
523
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:36,290
I'm always in.
524
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:40,370
This is here if you guys want to. Thank
you.
525
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:42,830
Thank you. So sweet. Thank you.
526
00:36:43,210 --> 00:36:44,870
This is not Utah.
527
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,400
I'm hungry, though.
528
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,840
Coming up, do you guys think Stewart's
going to testify against her?
529
00:36:56,060 --> 00:37:02,000
Odds are he's definitely not on her
side.
530
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:15,580
Oh, my. Do you have cheesecake left?
531
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:23,970
I have gifts for everybody.
532
00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:26,590
Thank you.
533
00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:29,130
This is for me. Thank you.
534
00:37:29,590 --> 00:37:30,590
Okay.
535
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:34,750
I'm sneak peeking.
536
00:37:34,990 --> 00:37:36,210
Oh, I love this.
537
00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:38,470
FBI. FBI.
538
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:42,030
FBI.
539
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:48,890
If you guys think that I'm
540
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:51,270
feeding evidence to the FBI.
541
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,940
that these women think I'm more powerful
than the FBI, but I think they could
542
00:38:00,940 --> 00:38:03,020
find Jennifer Shaw without my help.
543
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:05,420
Has Jen seen this?
544
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,400
FBI.
545
00:38:09,980 --> 00:38:11,040
I love it.
546
00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:16,400
Yes. Did she die laughing? Yes. With
everything she's facing, she really did
547
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,060
come and just dance and spray rosé.
548
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,660
She literally can compartmentalize. I
couldn't do it.
549
00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:27,760
She's remarkable in that aspect, for
sure.
550
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,100
Watching her strength and how confident
she is in everything, it makes me feel
551
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:36,100
like she's going to have a good outcome.
552
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,640
Well, what is a good outcome?
553
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,460
The quiddle? First day?
554
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:44,800
Proven innocent after a week? I don't
think anything's going to happen first
555
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,800
day.
556
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,580
I know. It's like, I don't even know
what to expect. I mean, that's very
557
00:38:48,580 --> 00:38:52,860
ambitious. Based on everything we're
seeing in the news of her co -defendants
558
00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:53,900
and people that are pleading,
559
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:56,240
Does it make you nervous?
560
00:38:57,580 --> 00:38:59,200
It makes me terrified.
561
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,120
Does she seem terrified?
562
00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:08,620
Yes, at times. And at other times, she
seems completely
563
00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:13,260
compartmentalized, like it's not even
existing.
564
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,660
And when the lines bleed a little bit,
you know, and she's kind of in that
565
00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:20,880
crossover where it's vulnerable and hard
to talk about, that's like what's the
566
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,020
most heartbreaking because it's easier
sometimes to be like, strong and angry
567
00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:27,800
than it is to just be afraid.
568
00:39:28,180 --> 00:39:32,460
I think Jen is scared, and I don't think
she's ever really felt fear before. So
569
00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:35,560
she doesn't know how to talk about it,
and she doesn't know how to express it.
570
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,900
But I think she is afraid.
571
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,320
Is it bad that she's the last one left?
572
00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:43,120
In terms of the trial, yeah.
573
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:45,160
Is she still eligible for a plea deal?
574
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,540
I mean, you can always make a plea deal.
The problem is when you're talking to
575
00:39:49,540 --> 00:39:52,580
the government and asking them to make a
deal, they want to know what you're
576
00:39:52,580 --> 00:39:55,580
giving them in return, and usually it's
for the bigger fish.
577
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,380
Is Jen the big fish?
578
00:39:58,340 --> 00:39:59,340
I don't know.
579
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,460
I have no idea.
580
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,380
Do you guys think Stuart's going to
testify against her?
581
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,820
Stuart actually pled to an additional
charge.
582
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,280
What was that? So, like, he had 70.
583
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,060
Wait, how do you know that? I read it in
the news. Wait a second, wait a second.
584
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,780
If he is pled guilty knowing that he
could serve 30 years, what changes? What
585
00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:25,260
information he furnishes? What type of
testimony he gives? Well, just taking a
586
00:40:25,260 --> 00:40:29,720
guilty plea, they're going to give you
less time because that's ownership of
587
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:34,620
what you did. But him taking the plea
doesn't necessarily mean that that's bad
588
00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:37,140
for Jenna. It could be a good thing
because he's admitting guilt.
589
00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:47,800
Odds are he's definitely not on her
side.
590
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,400
He was so dedicated to their friendship
and so dedicated to her.
591
00:40:56,100 --> 00:41:02,180
I mean, would you ever imagine that he
had it in him to
592
00:41:02,180 --> 00:41:07,980
testify against her?
593
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,900
And can you imagine if she's sitting in
that courtroom and he has to take the
594
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:15,900
witness stand?
595
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,120
Imagine her having to face Stewart and
have him plead guilty to things that
596
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,120
she's innocent of.
597
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:29,040
I cannot fathom that she's taking this
whole thing to trial and doesn't have a
598
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:29,959
good defense.
599
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,780
The conviction rate in the Southern
District of New York is extremely high.
600
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:39,040
is 98%, which is, you know, alarming and
concerning.
601
00:41:40,750 --> 00:41:45,310
Her statistics aren't good here. They
are just not good. And I can't imagine
602
00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:47,110
going through this. I really can't.
603
00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:49,150
I'm going to go to bed.
604
00:41:49,950 --> 00:41:53,050
But I think overall Jen had fun.
605
00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:54,930
I wish she was here.
606
00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:56,650
I miss her already.
607
00:41:58,230 --> 00:42:00,210
I think it meant a lot to her. I do too.
608
00:42:10,090 --> 00:42:12,990
Next. time on The Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City.
609
00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:17,850
Opening ceremonies, bitches!
610
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:21,170
I've actually had a boyfriend for the
past two years.
611
00:42:22,750 --> 00:42:25,570
The judge is pushing the trial out till
July.
612
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:29,710
I'm just tired of people questioning my
innocence.
613
00:42:30,190 --> 00:42:31,190
That time is coming.
614
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,280
I just don't think Heather realizes the
magnitude of what I went through. You
615
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,360
took my pain and weaponized it against
me. It felt like it was all about you.
616
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Hello. What is Angie Harrington doing
here?
617
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,240
It's like stab you in the back, kiss you
in the cheek.
618
00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:49,580
Hey, could we talk?
619
00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:52,320
Let's go over here. Let's talk.
620
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:56,560
Angie, to be honest, I'm not really
interested.
621
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,080
Like, more lies.
622
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,320
Tell me what the lies are that you think
I've said. Oh, there's so many, Angie.
623
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,420
It's too much to count. I'm not really
interested. Sorry.
50154
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