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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,390 --> 00:00:05,070 Previously on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. 2 00:00:05,510 --> 00:00:12,290 Are we supposed to clap or just like respect? All aboard the 3 00:00:12,290 --> 00:00:13,290 Gentshaw Express. 4 00:00:15,710 --> 00:00:19,110 I think booze and bike rides is what this group needs right now. 5 00:00:21,530 --> 00:00:28,190 Well, that I was actually abused, I just don't remember 6 00:00:28,190 --> 00:00:29,190 it. 7 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:34,150 My siblings, Curtis and Kelly, they're all on a similar journey, and we're all 8 00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:38,470 coming together, and I get to see my brother, Curtis, that I haven't seen in 9 00:00:38,470 --> 00:00:40,870 years. I wasn't expecting this. 10 00:00:43,090 --> 00:00:46,070 And I really need it now more than ever, so thank you. 11 00:00:46,970 --> 00:00:53,710 It's rumored that one of your, 12 00:00:53,730 --> 00:00:58,530 that has the jazz ticket, that you've been involved with. 13 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Are you crazy? 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,660 Angie told us John, Carlo, and Lisa have those tickets. 15 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,340 I've never heard it. You don't think I would love that information on her? 16 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,660 You are lying, right? Tell me how. 17 00:01:18,580 --> 00:01:22,980 Angie told us and you were there. I did not hear it. 18 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:26,200 Thank you for calling me a... 19 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,359 You liar! 20 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,280 You called me a liar. God damn you! 21 00:01:29,620 --> 00:01:30,620 Heather, Heather. 22 00:01:31,660 --> 00:01:32,660 You! 23 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:34,600 Hey, 24 00:01:35,420 --> 00:01:39,800 please, I'd love to be... Heather, what happened? 25 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,620 What is going on? 26 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:43,900 This is funny. 27 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:48,700 Tonight was supposed to be hot girls and lingerie, gnawing away at hunks of 28 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:54,400 meat. And then Whitney decided to unload all of these rumors about Lisa giving 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,240 blowies for basketball seats. 30 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:03,520 And now she's bragged me into it, and I'm a liar in lingerie without a stake 31 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:04,520 be found. 32 00:02:07,260 --> 00:02:11,680 Whitney said that I had heard this nugget about Lisa fucking some guy for 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:12,900 courtside jazz tickets. 34 00:02:14,060 --> 00:02:16,280 She's drunk, and she doesn't know what she's saying. 35 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:23,160 Hester didn't even know what I was going through because I just sit there and 36 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,160 listen to her. 37 00:02:24,620 --> 00:02:29,040 She never took the time to even ask me what I was doing. 38 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:32,680 It goes straight to my abuse. 39 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,780 Like, everyone gives me what they want. 40 00:02:37,540 --> 00:02:42,580 I'm starting to realize now that because of the abuse that I suffered as a kid, 41 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,680 I never learned how to stand up for myself. 42 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,920 or how to set boundaries with people. 43 00:02:49,140 --> 00:02:54,940 And now that I am able to hold a boundary, other people struggle with it 44 00:02:54,940 --> 00:02:58,680 they're seeing me show up in a different way that they weren't expecting. 45 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,240 I'm really 46 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:10,160 hurt by Heather. 47 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,620 She's the person who knows me the best, who I'm closest to. 48 00:03:15,370 --> 00:03:20,570 who I'd expect to be there for me in my darkest hour, I'm starting to realize 49 00:03:20,570 --> 00:03:23,570 that maybe Heather doesn't give a f*** about me. 50 00:03:24,050 --> 00:03:26,470 I am done. I am not done. 51 00:03:27,110 --> 00:03:28,110 I'm so mad. 52 00:03:29,290 --> 00:03:34,730 I've never fought with Whitney like this, ever. 53 00:03:35,130 --> 00:03:39,390 We have had big disagreements, but she has never looked at me and called me a 54 00:03:39,390 --> 00:03:40,430 liar, ever. 55 00:03:41,150 --> 00:03:45,630 And that's like a pretty big accusation about a pretty stupid thing. 56 00:03:46,290 --> 00:03:51,170 Don't call me a liar. You called me a liar. I never did. 57 00:03:51,410 --> 00:03:56,250 Look at me. Look at me. If you are too drunk right now to be cognizant of 58 00:03:56,250 --> 00:04:01,450 happening, you better be real. And if you need more validity, find some facts. 59 00:04:01,530 --> 00:04:05,810 The facts is Angie. Let's call Angie. Because Angie told me. 60 00:04:06,110 --> 00:04:07,650 I don't care who Lisa's. 61 00:04:10,380 --> 00:04:14,380 Meredith, I don't care who you, who Jen, I don't care. 62 00:04:14,740 --> 00:04:21,240 I want to come together and support our friend who's facing, I'm sorry, 50 years 63 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,240 in prison. 64 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,780 And guess what this entire evening has become about? 65 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:32,300 You and you and Lisa. And that is not the purpose of this trip. So get focused 66 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:33,920 and realize what this is all about. 67 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:35,960 Wait, what? 68 00:04:36,260 --> 00:04:38,260 That night, Heather, because... 69 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:57,560 You lost me. 70 00:04:58,280 --> 00:04:59,460 Bitch, don't come at me. 71 00:05:01,300 --> 00:05:07,800 Oh, my God. I am already barely forging a foundation with Lisa, and the last 72 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,880 thing I want to do is just lie. 73 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,780 And your path to truth and friendship with Lisa is not mine. 74 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:18,520 Certainly not if it requires me to lie or back up bullshit. 75 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:23,720 I know I'm making you uncomfortable right now, but your boo is my thing. 76 00:05:24,499 --> 00:05:27,880 Because it pushes them up. Because they're, like, at eye level. 77 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,000 Thanks for being my friend tonight. I appreciate, like, the progress we've 78 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,800 and, like, where we are. 79 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,520 You don't have to thank me for being your friend. I want to be your friend. 80 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,100 show up as your friend. And I'm telling you as a friend, I have never had a 81 00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:50,340 conversation with any single person here about anything about your marriage or 82 00:05:50,340 --> 00:05:51,500 your extramarital affair. Thank you. 83 00:05:52,300 --> 00:05:56,200 I'm flying to New York tomorrow night on the red -eye. Yeah, which is why we 84 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,440 don't need to talk about this anymore. 85 00:05:57,660 --> 00:06:01,740 She's leaving for New York to prepare for the trial of her goddamn life. 86 00:06:03,460 --> 00:06:04,460 I'm going to bed. 87 00:06:04,820 --> 00:06:06,500 Love you, love you. I'm going to sleep. 88 00:06:06,980 --> 00:06:09,640 Let me just leave. I need to call John. 89 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,400 Thanks for being here for me. 90 00:06:18,580 --> 00:06:19,740 She doesn't know she can. 91 00:06:30,670 --> 00:06:32,410 I have brought a professional in. 92 00:06:33,730 --> 00:06:35,010 Next on stage. 93 00:06:37,510 --> 00:06:38,510 What's up, pussy? 94 00:06:44,450 --> 00:06:45,870 This feels wrong. 95 00:06:46,910 --> 00:06:49,130 I mean, does anybody else feel wrong? 96 00:06:49,630 --> 00:06:51,410 All right, ladies. No, 97 00:06:52,550 --> 00:06:53,730 she's an instructor. 98 00:06:54,110 --> 00:06:57,570 Oh, how rude of me to assume she's going to perform. 99 00:06:58,150 --> 00:06:59,270 What'd she do, fly her in? 100 00:07:00,010 --> 00:07:01,910 From Atlantic City? 101 00:07:02,270 --> 00:07:04,570 The current Shaw Squad, you got to wear a lot of hats. 102 00:07:04,790 --> 00:07:05,790 Okay. 103 00:07:06,050 --> 00:07:11,970 My makeup artist is also Crystal Pussy. She is also a twerking instructor. 104 00:07:12,530 --> 00:07:14,450 Wait, turn around. What is this outfit? 105 00:07:18,710 --> 00:07:19,810 God damn. 106 00:07:20,110 --> 00:07:25,650 Wow. I need y 'all to twerk like you need to make some money to pay your 107 00:07:25,910 --> 00:07:28,810 Hello, we're on this healing trip for me, I thought. 108 00:07:29,390 --> 00:07:33,850 So you know what? Let me bring the healing crystal pussy to the party. 109 00:07:34,670 --> 00:07:38,230 Okay, you guys want to go like down here? Pay your rent. You want to go 110 00:07:38,270 --> 00:07:41,070 You want to have power? You want to have life? You want to have a roof over your 111 00:07:41,070 --> 00:07:42,470 head? Pay that rent. 112 00:07:42,790 --> 00:07:44,930 Pay that rent. Pay that rent. 113 00:07:45,210 --> 00:07:47,170 Pay that rent. Pay that rent. 114 00:07:47,450 --> 00:07:48,450 What? 115 00:07:49,390 --> 00:07:52,470 Okay. Pay that rent. You're paying that rent. Yes. 116 00:07:57,740 --> 00:08:00,060 I don't think I was built to twerk. 117 00:08:00,420 --> 00:08:02,060 She can twerk everywhere. 118 00:08:02,340 --> 00:08:04,220 I can squeeze one butt, Chief. 119 00:08:04,540 --> 00:08:06,620 It is definitely not in my wheelhouse. 120 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,380 I will not be making rents this month, and I'm okay with it. Ready? One, two, 121 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:14,420 three. 122 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,740 Good night. Love y 'all. 123 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:22,900 Coming up. I realized I was just being manipulated and used and abused. 124 00:08:38,128 --> 00:08:39,128 Okay. 125 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,500 What in the world? 126 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:14,900 Heather, no words needed here. 127 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:17,220 Bad weather no matter what. 128 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,040 XOXO, Witten. 129 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,380 I've come to speak with the emperor. 130 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:26,920 Oh. 131 00:09:28,300 --> 00:09:29,740 Those are cute pajamas. 132 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,600 Thank you. They look much warmer and tropical. 133 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:38,200 Then the weather is reflecting. Yeah, I mean. Why is it raining in the desert? 134 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:39,440 Do we bring the rain? 135 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,520 I think our behavior did. 136 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:02,180 I woke up to a very visual representation of how Whitney feels 137 00:10:02,180 --> 00:10:07,880 friendship right now. She was very upset last night. She ripped up. 138 00:10:08,860 --> 00:10:12,300 Our friendship card in my room when I woke up this morning was shredded. 139 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,060 Actually, I don't know how I can get her back. 140 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:28,140 She left it for me to find. 141 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,280 And I'm just like, what the? 142 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,700 I didn't realize it. Because I just walked through it last night. I fell 143 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:37,000 in a pile of milk dubs. 144 00:10:38,860 --> 00:10:40,780 That was how that night ended. 145 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,040 How are you doing this morning? 146 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:44,800 How I feel? 147 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,540 Do you think you can have a talk with Heather today? 148 00:10:51,820 --> 00:10:55,080 Yeah, but I'm just... You're hurt. 149 00:10:55,300 --> 00:10:56,840 I feel completely betrayed. 150 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:02,200 I think there's a lot of things going on. I mean, obviously she's dealing with 151 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:07,040 her own emotional stuff right now. I love her. I would never betray her. I 152 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,080 never even... 153 00:11:08,590 --> 00:11:09,710 Speak ill of her. 154 00:11:10,010 --> 00:11:12,310 I got to go get ready. Okay. To see my brother. 155 00:11:13,710 --> 00:11:15,150 Is your sister going to be there? 156 00:11:15,530 --> 00:11:16,530 I hope so. 157 00:11:16,710 --> 00:11:18,230 Are you okay to go see him? 158 00:11:19,130 --> 00:11:20,130 I don't know. 159 00:11:21,290 --> 00:11:26,110 There are two people in this world that understand and know what I'm going 160 00:11:26,110 --> 00:11:30,130 through right now, and that's my half -brother and sister, Curtis and Kelly. 161 00:11:30,710 --> 00:11:37,570 Curtis really encouraged me to push through and come on this trip, so I need 162 00:11:37,570 --> 00:11:38,329 see them. 163 00:11:38,330 --> 00:11:42,210 I love you. I hope I get to see you. Will you keep me posted? Yeah, I'm going 164 00:11:42,210 --> 00:11:43,930 get there so you can get back before you go. 165 00:11:44,850 --> 00:11:46,450 Let me know when you leave and stuff. 166 00:11:46,810 --> 00:11:47,810 Okay, I will. 167 00:11:49,630 --> 00:11:51,010 Oh, I need to pack this. 168 00:11:51,510 --> 00:11:56,690 This reprieve for a couple days, it's done now. Now it's back to reality. Now 169 00:11:56,690 --> 00:12:00,870 have to get back and immersed into trial preparation. 170 00:12:01,330 --> 00:12:05,850 I just wanted a minute, a few days to just pretend this was not happening. 171 00:12:06,620 --> 00:12:12,020 It gives me anxiety because of what I know the consequences are and what this 172 00:12:12,020 --> 00:12:13,620 means for me and my family. 173 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:23,740 This is what's blowing my mind. This whole trip was supposed to be about Jen. 174 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:25,280 I know. 175 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,220 This whole trip was supposed to be fun and instead Whitney sobbing. I recognize 176 00:12:31,220 --> 00:12:35,520 somehow that this was all like triggering back to her abuse side of 177 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,540 I didn't get mad at her. I was hugging her because I know she is suffering so 178 00:12:41,540 --> 00:12:45,400 deeply inside right now trying to put these pieces together. 179 00:12:50,220 --> 00:12:51,720 Hello. Good morning. 180 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:04,280 This entire process is very intense for me. I'm hopeful that I can 181 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:10,690 find... some relief and some comfort in meeting with Curtis and Kelly and 182 00:13:10,690 --> 00:13:15,890 continue to connect the dots that I have forgotten about my childhood. 183 00:13:39,180 --> 00:13:40,180 Oh, my gosh. 184 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:43,060 Welcome. How are you? 185 00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:44,860 Good. So good. 186 00:13:45,860 --> 00:13:47,440 Come on out. You're looking good. 187 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:48,760 Thank you. Hey. 188 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,160 Hi, Tanya. 189 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,540 I've been looking at you so long. 190 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:54,760 Your house is amazing. 191 00:13:55,340 --> 00:13:57,500 Thank you. I wish I was staying at this house. 192 00:13:57,740 --> 00:14:00,520 Witty. Uh -oh. Oh, my sissy. 193 00:14:13,610 --> 00:14:16,750 Curtis and Kelly and I share the same father. We have different mothers. 194 00:14:17,070 --> 00:14:19,750 I worry about you not having us with you, you know? 195 00:14:20,510 --> 00:14:24,870 That's why I'm here. I wasn't extremely close to them growing up because when my 196 00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:30,430 dad divorced their mom and married my mom and had me and my sister, he really 197 00:14:30,430 --> 00:14:33,690 just focused his time on our family. 198 00:14:34,290 --> 00:14:37,590 Like, I saw Curtis and Kelly maybe a handful of times throughout my 199 00:14:38,030 --> 00:14:42,010 I'm just so grateful that they're willing to show up for me now. 200 00:14:42,510 --> 00:14:44,350 and I can have them a part of my life now. 201 00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:48,050 I remember when you were born, I got a phone call saying, you have a little 202 00:14:48,050 --> 00:14:50,770 sister, her name's Whitney. And I was like, who is this? 203 00:14:52,030 --> 00:14:55,610 Justin and I talk about that a lot. I'm like, I have an older sister that you've 204 00:14:55,610 --> 00:14:56,409 never met. 205 00:14:56,410 --> 00:14:57,410 You've never met Justin? 206 00:14:57,670 --> 00:14:58,670 No. Justin's cool. 207 00:14:58,850 --> 00:15:02,910 I'm on like this massive healing journey. 208 00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:10,010 I just have this huge gaping wound that I need to close. 209 00:15:11,170 --> 00:15:13,830 And I just feel like you both are the missing link to that. 210 00:15:14,730 --> 00:15:19,070 I hate that we didn't have a connection growing up. No, we did. We did. 211 00:15:19,810 --> 00:15:21,410 I've always felt like we're a lot alike. 212 00:15:23,930 --> 00:15:27,530 When I went to Utah, before I went on a mission, I spent some time with you 213 00:15:27,530 --> 00:15:28,529 there. 214 00:15:28,530 --> 00:15:29,530 You did? 215 00:15:29,890 --> 00:15:33,250 Yeah, you probably don't remember that, but I do. I was in college. I can feel 216 00:15:33,250 --> 00:15:38,310 things. So when you're saying that, I know you were around. I know I saw you. 217 00:15:40,780 --> 00:15:45,180 You know, and I talk to Will a lot about different memories that I have. 218 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:46,500 Yeah. 219 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,580 And just through this process, I realized I was just being manipulated 220 00:15:51,580 --> 00:15:53,560 and abused. 221 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:01,080 Like, I just realized even though our situations are probably different, the 222 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,080 feeling's the same. 223 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,180 Well... Curtis Kelly and I's traumas are all different. 224 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:14,060 We share the same feeling of being let down by this person that we all knew, 225 00:16:14,060 --> 00:16:18,380 we should have been able to trust. 226 00:16:19,940 --> 00:16:25,240 I think for me, I realized early that hurt people hurt other people. 227 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,640 Yeah. And so if somebody is hurting me, like, I automatically think, you must be 228 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:35,360 hurting. There's two sides to the coin, right? And we get to choose which side 229 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,740 we look at. I can't erase the negative. I can just erase the way I kind of feel 230 00:16:39,740 --> 00:16:43,660 about it. There's a lot of good that came from that relationship, and you 231 00:16:43,660 --> 00:16:45,580 to remember that. 232 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,680 And I think every time you find that gratitude, at least in my life, it gets 233 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,860 out in front of the negative. Yeah. 234 00:16:55,980 --> 00:16:58,280 I'm telling you, it'll never make sense to you, okay? 235 00:16:59,530 --> 00:17:01,910 that's what you need to understand. It will never make sense. There's never 236 00:17:01,910 --> 00:17:04,770 going to be a moment where you're like, okay, I am free, I'm successful, I've 237 00:17:04,770 --> 00:17:08,470 got it, everything is good. No, because it's not your wound to heal, and it may 238 00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:09,470 never happen. 239 00:17:10,310 --> 00:17:15,290 Do you want it to just disappear and never feel it? Because it hasn't for me 240 00:17:15,290 --> 00:17:16,290 yet. It never will. 241 00:17:16,810 --> 00:17:23,349 No, I just needed to see you both and hear you say that it's okay that I let 242 00:17:23,349 --> 00:17:24,550 go. Yeah, no, move on. 243 00:17:25,890 --> 00:17:26,910 Everybody's got something. 244 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,320 that they have to deal with. 245 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,620 So deal with it, but give it a time and a place. 246 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:33,960 You have to, Whitney. 247 00:17:34,180 --> 00:17:39,820 I don't know what the next steps are to continue to heal and move on, but I do 248 00:17:39,820 --> 00:17:44,840 know that I'm going to let go because this is no longer serving me, and I know 249 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:49,900 that Curtis and Kelly are going to be instrumental in helping me get through 250 00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:50,900 that. 251 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:52,180 I'm super proud of you, Whitney. 252 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,320 Thank you, Curtis. I'm proud of you, too. 253 00:18:00,670 --> 00:18:06,370 Coming up, it is hard to sit there and listen to lies and you can't talk. 254 00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:09,430 What is the expression they want you to have? Just stoic? Blank, probably. 255 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:13,670 Blank? Yeah. My lead trial attorney said, you know, Jen, I'm going to need 256 00:18:13,670 --> 00:18:16,090 to not get Botox. 257 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,320 Hi. 258 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:38,480 Good morning. 259 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,460 I've got eggs, bacon, hash browns. So Jen's leaving soon. 260 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,580 I'm glad we got a fun girls trip for her. 261 00:18:47,980 --> 00:18:49,380 Well, I hope she thinks it was fun. 262 00:18:49,620 --> 00:18:50,840 It wasn't fun. 263 00:18:51,820 --> 00:18:54,300 There was nothing fun about it. 264 00:18:54,660 --> 00:18:56,200 What time did you end up going to bed? 265 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,480 I slept like three. 266 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:00,880 Good morning. 267 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,760 I still feel awkward about everything. 268 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,600 I feel like I'm getting to a better place with Meredith, but I still don't 269 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,140 what her role was in all of these rumors. 270 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:18,960 I was really upset last night. I called John. He helped calm me down. 271 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,000 After having a burrito and some Kit Kats, I realized this needs to be about 272 00:19:23,540 --> 00:19:27,480 So I'm going to put all this petty bullshit aside for a little bit, and 273 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,060 figure out everything later. Right now, I need to be here for Jen. 274 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,920 The heavens are crying because Jen's leaving. 275 00:19:34,830 --> 00:19:35,769 Good morning. 276 00:19:35,770 --> 00:19:36,770 Good morning. 277 00:19:37,010 --> 00:19:38,010 Oh, hi. 278 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:40,930 Cheers to the new day. 279 00:19:42,650 --> 00:19:44,650 Ben, how are you feeling about everything? 280 00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:48,150 I have, like, a full -on anxiety attack this morning. 281 00:19:50,530 --> 00:19:53,670 Because I have to, like, actually fly to New York, and I'm going by myself. 282 00:19:54,370 --> 00:19:57,150 Are you going through discovery with them? Are you doing, like, depositions? 283 00:19:57,150 --> 00:20:00,710 What are you doing? You know, we are going through another mock trial while 284 00:20:00,710 --> 00:20:01,710 there. 285 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:08,080 This is the first time I will be hearing our side, the defense side. We did a 286 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,000 mock trial last week of the prosecution side. 287 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,120 And, I mean, I walked out twice, slammed the door. 288 00:20:17,060 --> 00:20:22,200 It is hard to sit there and listen to lies, and you can't talk. 289 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,100 What is the expression they want you to have, just stoic? Blank, probably. 290 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:30,050 Blank, right? In fact, my lead trial attorney, Priya, said, you know, Jen, 291 00:20:30,050 --> 00:20:33,170 going to need you to not get Botox. 292 00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:36,530 I'm like, what? 293 00:20:37,150 --> 00:20:40,270 She goes, when we were talking earlier, you were talking about something very 294 00:20:40,270 --> 00:20:44,330 emotional, and you're crying, but your face isn't moving. I need your face to 295 00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:45,330 move. 296 00:20:45,970 --> 00:20:49,550 Wait, so you're taking the stand. You're totally testifying. 297 00:20:50,010 --> 00:20:52,990 I have no issue testifying. I think it just depends. 298 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:55,330 Like, we don't, you don't know. You don't know yet, for sure. Yeah. 299 00:20:55,710 --> 00:20:58,230 We are a month away now. 300 00:21:00,220 --> 00:21:05,140 That's why this trip was important to me because I need a little bit of, like, 301 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,280 reprieve from that and to just, like, get away. 302 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:15,100 What are you doing to calm yourself and to keep yourself, like... A lot of times 303 00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:18,840 I'll go just lay down next to Omar. 304 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,280 Oh. And that calms me down. 305 00:21:26,020 --> 00:21:28,020 It's really hard for my boys. 306 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:35,880 omar to think about that and think of like not having his mom around it put in 307 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,500 perspective all of the black things and things that i have to be grateful for 308 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:46,280 that's why i've just tried to like not take anything for granted anymore 309 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:52,100 and celebrate every single day because what if something happens and i am not 310 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:54,600 here to celebrate it next year 311 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,280 It's overwhelming. 312 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:09,540 I'm going to be leaving here probably in like 45 minutes. 313 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,960 Oh, hi. 314 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,660 You look pretty and refreshed. 315 00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:16,900 Sorry, 316 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,680 my brother's house took a little bit longer. 317 00:22:20,780 --> 00:22:24,680 So, I haven't... 318 00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:30,170 spoken to Heather or seen her. And honestly, right now, I want nothing to 319 00:22:30,170 --> 00:22:31,170 with her. 320 00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:32,990 Are you all packed? 321 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:36,950 Pretty much. And pretty much for me, I mean, she's not. 322 00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:38,510 Yeah. 323 00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:42,190 Do you want a selfie pack? 324 00:22:42,930 --> 00:22:48,050 Yeah, probably, because, you know, I'm not very good at making slides at all. 325 00:22:48,350 --> 00:22:53,630 You know, Jen's been putting on an amazing, brave face. 326 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,780 that we're all starting to see her crack. 327 00:22:56,140 --> 00:22:57,800 And we don't know what's going to happen. 328 00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:01,260 And in a year from now, I don't know if she's going to be at the same table with 329 00:23:01,260 --> 00:23:02,059 all of us. 330 00:23:02,060 --> 00:23:03,740 You have so much stuff in here. 331 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:05,420 Now I can see what I can borrow. 332 00:23:07,020 --> 00:23:10,220 Okay, I'm leaving these games for you guys to play while I'm gone. 333 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,720 We're not going to play any games or have any fun without you. You're going 334 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,720 be stuck in the house. 335 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,080 Hair, hair, hair. 336 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:16,500 You want hair? I'm here. 337 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,720 Oh my gosh, it's some hair. 338 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,400 Okay, you know what? I think I need to get changed. 339 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,680 We'll get your bags. We'll get your bag. 340 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,200 You got this. 341 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,360 The trip meant a lot to me. 342 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,960 Come on, group hug, group hug, group hug, group hug, group hug. 343 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,700 For women, believe in me, love me, and support me. And that's what's important 344 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:45,700 to me. 345 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,180 Okay, you're going to miss your plane. God bless y 'all. Love you. Get in the 346 00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:50,740 car. Bye, babe. Bye. 347 00:24:07,050 --> 00:24:11,290 I think that's smart. I'm going to do the same. 348 00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:29,010 I'll see you later. 349 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:36,060 With everything Jen has going on and her trial looming over her head, it gives 350 00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:40,920 perspective on letting things go. I mean, nothing is bigger than what she 351 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,540 going on right now within this group. 352 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:46,100 That's a lot. That's a lot. 353 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,820 I don't know if my eyelids can take any more crying. 354 00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:58,200 Coming up. The trip got derailed, and it wasn't me that derailed it. You pushed 355 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,200 me into the wall. 356 00:24:59,770 --> 00:25:03,650 And called me a liar. You are up a river with no paddle. Stop! 357 00:25:39,180 --> 00:25:41,220 I have no standards. Let's just go. 358 00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:52,500 Oh, it's raining hard, huh? 359 00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:54,460 Oh, yes, the rain. 360 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:56,360 Hi. 361 00:25:56,700 --> 00:25:58,560 Thank you. 362 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,480 Wonderful. 363 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:05,300 You guys are going to be right here. We'll get some waters out for you guys. 364 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,780 Get all comfortable. 365 00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:09,060 Thank you. 366 00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:16,860 We have some photos of 1942 to welcome you to us. 367 00:26:17,860 --> 00:26:23,520 Thank you. Here's one for you. Thank you. 368 00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:27,940 May I get a Diet Coke, too? Yes, of course. What are we going to toast to? 369 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:35,240 I think everybody should pick just one word of something meaningful for us all 370 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,500 to toast to. Okay. 371 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,700 One word. And I don't know my words, so someone else can go first. Love. I'll do 372 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:42,639 it. Love. 373 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,960 Peace. Heather. 374 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,280 Friendship. Okay. 375 00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:49,780 Honesty. 376 00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:52,900 Here we go. 377 00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:54,600 Yes. Cheers. 378 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,800 Heather and I still have not spoken. 379 00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:05,200 We are still not good. 380 00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:10,350 Just because Heather wants to sweep us under the rug does not mean that last 381 00:27:10,350 --> 00:27:11,350 night is over. 382 00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:12,570 We're going there. 383 00:27:12,930 --> 00:27:17,330 I know that I am not lying, and I know that she hurt me deeply. 384 00:27:18,010 --> 00:27:21,270 Thank you for calling me a fucking liar. 385 00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:25,130 You are too drunk right now to be talking to someone who wants catnip. 386 00:27:25,630 --> 00:27:28,210 No, I never want that. 387 00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:34,190 You ready to put some food in? We would just order stuff for all of us, please. 388 00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:45,180 So this is your dad's oldest son? 389 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,800 No, she's my dad's firstborn. Oh, okay. Got it. Kelly. 390 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,560 Oh, you guys have similarity. 391 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,420 She looks just like my dad. Is this your sister? 392 00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:54,820 My sister and brother. 393 00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:57,160 That's her dad's oldest child. 394 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,400 She's beautiful. You definitely look related. 395 00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:06,420 You know, I lived in Scottsdale for a year of my life. You did? Wait, what? I 396 00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:09,380 did. Wait, what? Why is this just coming up now? 397 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,840 Because I didn't think about it until now. 398 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:20,200 Her sister had bronchitis, right? My sister had chronic bronchitis. My father 399 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,340 used to, like, develop communities through the Sunbelt States. 400 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:28,260 And so we moved here for a year to, like, dry out my sister's lungs, you 401 00:28:28,260 --> 00:28:29,260 to be in the dry heat. 402 00:28:33,660 --> 00:28:34,660 Aw. 403 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,280 And I always remember... 404 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,920 That there was this one restaurant that I loved called Pinnacle Peak. 405 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,060 And I would always make my father wear a tie. 406 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,300 Because they would cut your tie off. 407 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:51,000 Because it was the Wild West. 408 00:28:53,540 --> 00:28:57,560 And your dad would do that? He'd wear a tie and let him cut it? 409 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,640 Which is sweet. 410 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,960 You remember that. And there were a million times you went to dinner that 411 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,260 don't remember. You know what I mean? 412 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,600 Which is why when you have to hold on to those memories, because they're 413 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,900 significant. You don't never know what's going to hit, what's going to imprint, 414 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,120 you know? 415 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,680 I need to run to the restroom really quick. 416 00:29:20,980 --> 00:29:22,960 I'm glad you're having happy memories. 417 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,560 Yeah, it was good. 418 00:29:25,220 --> 00:29:26,220 It was good. 419 00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:31,280 So, how do you feel about things with Heather after last night? 420 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,020 You guys need to talk. 421 00:29:40,620 --> 00:29:47,280 One, it shocked me. Like, I needed her in that moment because I was doing 422 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,420 something very hard for me and speaking the truth. 423 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:58,120 And for her to not back me up, but in fact call me a liar, that 424 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,580 crushed me. 425 00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:02,800 Because he is literally the one person. 426 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,860 that I thought would never do that to me. 427 00:30:06,860 --> 00:30:13,360 Because she knows what I'm going through and knows that my biggest issue is 428 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:19,600 trust, not being heard, being abused, and being taken advantage of. 429 00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:22,300 Who's Heather? 430 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,360 Hello, Heather Gay. What did I miss? 431 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:57,180 For her to not back me up, but in fact call me a liar, that crushed 432 00:30:57,180 --> 00:30:58,180 me. 433 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,180 What did I 434 00:31:01,180 --> 00:31:06,680 miss? 435 00:31:08,380 --> 00:31:13,800 I was just talking about last night, like, how 436 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,920 it's going to vary. 437 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,480 difficult situation i needed you and you weren't there for me and in fact you 438 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:29,380 hurt me deeply and called me a liar and told me that i was too 439 00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:32,880 drunk that i don't remember it when i know that you know what i'm talking 440 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,840 like that hurt me because i felt like you are my girl heather and in a tough 441 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,600 moment when i needed you i'm unclear on what was the tough moment that you 442 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,680 needed me to corroborate a story that you had heard 443 00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:48,940 Cassandra, you knew it. All I needed you to say is... I didn't know that. 444 00:31:48,980 --> 00:31:53,440 Heather, let's just be honest and real. You and I have had many conversations 445 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,440 about Lisa. 446 00:31:55,660 --> 00:32:01,500 Absolutely not about blowjobs for courtside seats. Never once, never, not 447 00:32:01,860 --> 00:32:04,100 If you want to continue... Guess what? 448 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,960 If someone says something horrible to me and I choose to recuse that and not 449 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,460 remember it and not put it in my bank and not pull it out to hurt someone, 450 00:32:12,460 --> 00:32:13,439 is my... 451 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,020 It is not an indication of my loyalty to you, my loyalty to them. That is my 452 00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:22,380 choice. You want to talk about it? You talk about it. I don't have to sign up 453 00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:27,560 for every single issue that is important to you. You did not need me. I did need 454 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,840 you. That is a lie. You did not need me. I did need you. Why? Just say, yeah, 455 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,360 I've heard Lisa gave a blowjob for a court -side beat. 456 00:32:33,580 --> 00:32:40,260 If we stop saying that, because that's really upsetting to me, so I'd 457 00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:41,680 it if you didn't say that. 458 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:48,020 You didn't need me. That's a false idea in your head. It was supposed to be a 459 00:32:48,020 --> 00:32:49,260 trip for Jen. 460 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,900 Why are you coming in screaming and crying about Lisa's rumors when the real 461 00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:58,640 drama was our good friend is facing 50 years in prison and was leaving alone on 462 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,139 a flight? 463 00:32:59,140 --> 00:33:02,880 Now you're using Jen as your scapegoat to what's really going on here. 464 00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:07,760 Jen's not a scapegoat. You arranged this trip. You wanted to celebrate Jen not 465 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,430 to work through all of your... personal issues and your issues and friendship 466 00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:12,129 with Lisa. 467 00:33:12,130 --> 00:33:16,510 You made it about you. I did not make this about me. The first night was about 468 00:33:16,510 --> 00:33:20,170 you and you were crying and we talked all about your childhood abuse. That was 469 00:33:20,170 --> 00:33:20,929 the first dinner. 470 00:33:20,930 --> 00:33:22,930 That was all about you. That wasn't about Jen. 471 00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:31,250 This is like a huge blow that she isn't supporting me as her friend and 472 00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:33,330 supporting me as I'm going through something hard. 473 00:33:34,690 --> 00:33:35,690 Like it hurt. 474 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,380 And we're going to die on the cross of what I've heard about Lisa? 475 00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:49,560 I think you have to explain, because what resonated to me was not about this 476 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,800 that. It's true or false. 477 00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:56,400 It's about the position you feel that you are in. Whether anyone's put you 478 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,200 or not, those are your feelings. 479 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,680 And you need to explain that to Heather. 480 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,960 Heather, what you need to realize is where my pain is coming from. is because 481 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,540 the one person that was safe to me, you, that is where my pain is. 482 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,000 Abuse, being taken advantage of, not having a voice, poor timing, poor 483 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,199 because I have something to say, but no one listens to me. 484 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:27,380 And I needed you in that moment to just validate that I was speaking the truth. 485 00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:28,279 That's it. 486 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,820 You hurt me deeply. 487 00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:32,080 You hurt me too. 488 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,080 You came into my room. You ripped stuff. 489 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,139 Knock stuff over. How is that a truth seeker trying to heal? 490 00:34:39,460 --> 00:34:40,900 I messed up your card. 491 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,340 Okay, how is that a truth seeker? Will that hurt me? 492 00:34:44,620 --> 00:34:45,620 So we're even. 493 00:34:47,659 --> 00:34:50,980 Well, I'm cleansing a lot of family out of my life right now. 494 00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:54,480 Okay, well, why don't you be accountable for stirring up a lot of drama on a 495 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,139 trip that was supposed to be to celebrate a friend who's facing real 496 00:34:57,139 --> 00:34:58,200 and real issues. 497 00:35:01,220 --> 00:35:03,280 Truth seeker, that's not a true thing. 498 00:35:03,870 --> 00:35:07,290 Not rumors and bullshit that she says is not true. Oh, my God. 499 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:18,910 At this point, I think Heather is completely unaware of how insensitive 500 00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:20,250 she's being to Whitney. 501 00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:25,990 She's going through a lot. You should be asking her how she's feeling and how 502 00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:29,670 she's doing instead of saying she's making the trip all about her. 503 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,980 The sensitivity chip? Let's put it back in, Heather. 504 00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:37,760 The chip got derailed, and it wasn't me that derailed it. You pushed me into the 505 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,100 wall and called me a liar. You are up a river with no paddle. 506 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,320 Stop! 507 00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:48,100 You're not going to put this on me. I'm not going to put this on you. This is 508 00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:50,580 both of us talking about it. This is what mature adults do. 509 00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:54,530 But every time I talk about my feelings, you say, don't talk about feelings. I 510 00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:58,490 don't want to do this. You only talk about feelings. That's how you, that's 511 00:35:58,490 --> 00:36:01,830 it's about. You're in charge of the way, of the dialogue that we all get to 512 00:36:01,830 --> 00:36:04,530 have. What if we want to just have a fun, light, easy dinner? 513 00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:08,930 Okay, we can do that. 514 00:36:09,330 --> 00:36:12,470 This conversation is unproductive. It's not going anywhere. 515 00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:16,850 And what I'm processing personally is more important than worrying about 516 00:36:16,850 --> 00:36:17,850 and I. 517 00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:19,930 It's too much for me to take on right now. 518 00:36:21,070 --> 00:36:25,130 Okay, guys, we are leaving tomorrow. 519 00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:28,270 Can we just have some fun for a minute? 520 00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:30,550 I'm so down for that. 521 00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:32,190 Okay. Lisa? 522 00:36:32,850 --> 00:36:34,210 I'm in. Okay. 523 00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:36,290 I'm always in. 524 00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:40,370 This is here if you guys want to. Thank you. 525 00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:42,830 Thank you. So sweet. Thank you. 526 00:36:43,210 --> 00:36:44,870 This is not Utah. 527 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,400 I'm hungry, though. 528 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,840 Coming up, do you guys think Stewart's going to testify against her? 529 00:36:56,060 --> 00:37:02,000 Odds are he's definitely not on her side. 530 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:15,580 Oh, my. Do you have cheesecake left? 531 00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:23,970 I have gifts for everybody. 532 00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:26,590 Thank you. 533 00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:29,130 This is for me. Thank you. 534 00:37:29,590 --> 00:37:30,590 Okay. 535 00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:34,750 I'm sneak peeking. 536 00:37:34,990 --> 00:37:36,210 Oh, I love this. 537 00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:38,470 FBI. FBI. 538 00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:42,030 FBI. 539 00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:48,890 If you guys think that I'm 540 00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:51,270 feeding evidence to the FBI. 541 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,940 that these women think I'm more powerful than the FBI, but I think they could 542 00:38:00,940 --> 00:38:03,020 find Jennifer Shaw without my help. 543 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:05,420 Has Jen seen this? 544 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,400 FBI. 545 00:38:09,980 --> 00:38:11,040 I love it. 546 00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:16,400 Yes. Did she die laughing? Yes. With everything she's facing, she really did 547 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,060 come and just dance and spray rosé. 548 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,660 She literally can compartmentalize. I couldn't do it. 549 00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:27,760 She's remarkable in that aspect, for sure. 550 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,100 Watching her strength and how confident she is in everything, it makes me feel 551 00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:36,100 like she's going to have a good outcome. 552 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,640 Well, what is a good outcome? 553 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,460 The quiddle? First day? 554 00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:44,800 Proven innocent after a week? I don't think anything's going to happen first 555 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,800 day. 556 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,580 I know. It's like, I don't even know what to expect. I mean, that's very 557 00:38:48,580 --> 00:38:52,860 ambitious. Based on everything we're seeing in the news of her co -defendants 558 00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:53,900 and people that are pleading, 559 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:56,240 Does it make you nervous? 560 00:38:57,580 --> 00:38:59,200 It makes me terrified. 561 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,120 Does she seem terrified? 562 00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:08,620 Yes, at times. And at other times, she seems completely 563 00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:13,260 compartmentalized, like it's not even existing. 564 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,660 And when the lines bleed a little bit, you know, and she's kind of in that 565 00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:20,880 crossover where it's vulnerable and hard to talk about, that's like what's the 566 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,020 most heartbreaking because it's easier sometimes to be like, strong and angry 567 00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:27,800 than it is to just be afraid. 568 00:39:28,180 --> 00:39:32,460 I think Jen is scared, and I don't think she's ever really felt fear before. So 569 00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:35,560 she doesn't know how to talk about it, and she doesn't know how to express it. 570 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,900 But I think she is afraid. 571 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,320 Is it bad that she's the last one left? 572 00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:43,120 In terms of the trial, yeah. 573 00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:45,160 Is she still eligible for a plea deal? 574 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,540 I mean, you can always make a plea deal. The problem is when you're talking to 575 00:39:49,540 --> 00:39:52,580 the government and asking them to make a deal, they want to know what you're 576 00:39:52,580 --> 00:39:55,580 giving them in return, and usually it's for the bigger fish. 577 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,380 Is Jen the big fish? 578 00:39:58,340 --> 00:39:59,340 I don't know. 579 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,460 I have no idea. 580 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,380 Do you guys think Stuart's going to testify against her? 581 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,820 Stuart actually pled to an additional charge. 582 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,280 What was that? So, like, he had 70. 583 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,060 Wait, how do you know that? I read it in the news. Wait a second, wait a second. 584 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,780 If he is pled guilty knowing that he could serve 30 years, what changes? What 585 00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:25,260 information he furnishes? What type of testimony he gives? Well, just taking a 586 00:40:25,260 --> 00:40:29,720 guilty plea, they're going to give you less time because that's ownership of 587 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:34,620 what you did. But him taking the plea doesn't necessarily mean that that's bad 588 00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:37,140 for Jenna. It could be a good thing because he's admitting guilt. 589 00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:47,800 Odds are he's definitely not on her side. 590 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,400 He was so dedicated to their friendship and so dedicated to her. 591 00:40:56,100 --> 00:41:02,180 I mean, would you ever imagine that he had it in him to 592 00:41:02,180 --> 00:41:07,980 testify against her? 593 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,900 And can you imagine if she's sitting in that courtroom and he has to take the 594 00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:15,900 witness stand? 595 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,120 Imagine her having to face Stewart and have him plead guilty to things that 596 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,120 she's innocent of. 597 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:29,040 I cannot fathom that she's taking this whole thing to trial and doesn't have a 598 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:29,959 good defense. 599 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,780 The conviction rate in the Southern District of New York is extremely high. 600 00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:39,040 is 98%, which is, you know, alarming and concerning. 601 00:41:40,750 --> 00:41:45,310 Her statistics aren't good here. They are just not good. And I can't imagine 602 00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:47,110 going through this. I really can't. 603 00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:49,150 I'm going to go to bed. 604 00:41:49,950 --> 00:41:53,050 But I think overall Jen had fun. 605 00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:54,930 I wish she was here. 606 00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:56,650 I miss her already. 607 00:41:58,230 --> 00:42:00,210 I think it meant a lot to her. I do too. 608 00:42:10,090 --> 00:42:12,990 Next. time on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. 609 00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:17,850 Opening ceremonies, bitches! 610 00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:21,170 I've actually had a boyfriend for the past two years. 611 00:42:22,750 --> 00:42:25,570 The judge is pushing the trial out till July. 612 00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:29,710 I'm just tired of people questioning my innocence. 613 00:42:30,190 --> 00:42:31,190 That time is coming. 614 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,280 I just don't think Heather realizes the magnitude of what I went through. You 615 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,360 took my pain and weaponized it against me. It felt like it was all about you. 616 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,640 Hello. What is Angie Harrington doing here? 617 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,240 It's like stab you in the back, kiss you in the cheek. 618 00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:49,580 Hey, could we talk? 619 00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:52,320 Let's go over here. Let's talk. 620 00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:56,560 Angie, to be honest, I'm not really interested. 621 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,080 Like, more lies. 622 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,320 Tell me what the lies are that you think I've said. Oh, there's so many, Angie. 623 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,420 It's too much to count. I'm not really interested. Sorry. 50154

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