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(Dance music)
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The blazing saddle? I'm like
what is this, some country bar?
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(Dance Music)
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There's, you know, these
abandoned buildings, and
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You know, you're driving down -
there's not a soul on the
street. Not a soul.
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So I turn and I pull up, and
here's this row of
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These brownstone-like looking
buildings that are, you know,
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More or less dumps. And right in
the middle of it
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Was the Blazing Saddle, you
know. It stuck out. It was
painted this dark purple.
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But it had huge bars on the
windows.
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Blazing Saddle is a community
bar.
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It's also a community home base.
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Every organization comes through
there. Every organization has
had
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Fundraisers through there.
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It's not a gay bar on a Saturday
night - it's a community bar.
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It's a straight bar, it's an
entertainment bar, a drag bar,
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But it's not just a gay bar. And
that's why your documentary
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About “the last gay bar”
couldn't be more true.
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(Music)
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There were no gay people around,
no one that I knew of that was
gay.
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Nobody in the family, nothing
was ever mentioned about it.
It's as if they
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Didn't exist. And of course it
would be awful to even mention
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That they existed at that time.
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I hadn't really met any gay
people. I only - you know - knew
society's reaction to gay
people.
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And I hadn't had much experience
with alcohol,
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So I wasn't going to like have
two or three drinks,
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And so it was a little nerve
wracking.
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To see some of these guys trying
to be ultra-conservative and go,
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Yeah, I seen you at the book
store last week, bitch.
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There's still a time period
when, you know,
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You didn't want to be out.
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And actually at the P & S
Lounge, I think, I remember when
I first was introduced to
somebody
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I said, “Oh I'm Gary.” And he
said, “Oh glad to meet you now
what's your real name?”
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Because everybody in the bar had
a “bar name”.
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You didn't use your real name
and go into the bar.
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There were certain things that
you did not do in gay bars. You
did not take a photograph in a
gay bar.
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Anywhere in this country.
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That was just - I mean -
inappropriate.
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It was, I mean - you would
actually get yelled at if you
pulled a camera out and tried to
take a picture.
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In a gay bar.
That's changed.
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If you're a gay bar in today's
society, if you don't blend with
society,
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Then you're not going to be
around very long.
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You know, we've got straight
people that come in here
religiously
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And love the place, and we love
them.
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Now, yeah, some of those bridal
showers are a real pain in the
ass
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‘Cause all young girls and come
in and think they're gonna take
over.
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No, bitch. Settle down. You know
where you're at?
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I was - June 5, 1949 - delivered
at home
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And my grandmother was kind of
the midwife.
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And I popped out and said,
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“Hello! It's showtime!”
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We were basically a poor family.
Ate a lot of ham and beans, and
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Raccoon and squirrel and rabbit,
and
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Whatever the old man killed, we
ate. But we were happy.
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Well, first of all, I was born
smack in the middle of World War
II
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There was a lot going on and
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In January 1943.
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You know, I had actually a
pretty idyllic childhood.
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Those first few years.
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By the time I graduated high
school in 1962,
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You know, I've hit adolescence
and puberty and
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I've figured out that it looks
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To me like I might be gay.
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You know, I didn't much like
that idea.
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I was growing up in Dubuque,
where the parochial system was
larger than
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The public system of education.
I'd never heard the word "gay".
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In Dubuque.
You know, you try to educate
yourself,
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You go to the public library and
try to find information. There
was nothing there.
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Literally nothing.
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My sex education - like most
parents, you just really don't
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Talk much with your kids.
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Um, they left a book called “The
Encyclopedia of Sex”
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They'd had just about anything
you'd want to know about
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The physical body and what
happened.
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It had one small paragraph on
homosexuality.
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It was still a psychiatric
diagnosis back then.
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So you were mentally ill. And as
I remember,
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It said that you were most
likely could commit suicide
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By the time you were in your
middle 30s. So the only words
you really had to explain to
yourself
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Or that you heard were “faggot”
and “queer”.
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And “homosexual”. And, you know,
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When you're growing up where sex
can't be talked about at all,
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It leaves a lot to the
imagination and
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A lot for exploration.
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I did come out to my family
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My father died quite young, so
he died before I was
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Came out to him, but...
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Actually, the first relative I
came out to was my twin sister,
Joan,
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And she -
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Her attitude was, “Oh thank God,
it all makes so much sense."
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She told me she apologized to
two or three different girls
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In her high school class because
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Nobody could figure out why they
couldn't get my attention.
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And so she was relieved.
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I came out to my mother right
about that same time, and she
only had one question about it.
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She said, “Have you ever been in
love?” And I said yes.
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And she didn't care about
anything else.
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Well, my real dad, he took off
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Right after I was born and I
never really knew him.
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He was very arrogant and never
had a credit card in his life.
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And he wouldn't go to a doctor,
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And he ended up dying of a
ruptured aneurism through the
belly.
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But it was no loss to me because
I didn't know him.
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Well, then I had all the other
step dads.
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The last one, Bill, he was an
old southern hillbilly.
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But the nicest man I had ever
met.
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And when he - on my 40th
birthday he came back to see us
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And he said, “Bob, I knew you
was queer. Doesn't matter.”
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“You're my boy. Anybody wants to
screw with you, they've gotta go
through me."
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The only way that gay people
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I felt back then knew how to
meet other gay people was
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Through a hole in the wall.
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You know, that's how you met
people. And that's what I did
when I first came to Des Moines.
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I went to Merle Hay Mall - it
was close to where the family
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Was bought a home - and went up
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There and went to the restroom
in the bowling alley, and here
was a hole in the wall.
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And I met somebody through it,
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Who in talking with him
afterwards, he said, “Have you
been down to the gay bar?”
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And in my ignorance,
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Said, “What's a gay bar?”
And he says, “Oh, that's where
people
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Like you and I go to.”
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I know I would have been
drafted, so I enlisted in the
Navy post college.
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My ship, the aircraft carrier,
was
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In dry dock in San Francisco for
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Nine or ten months, so
essentially I was living
shipboard, but
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In the city. And I got to know
San Francisco pretty well.
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I was hired at American Can
before I got drafted, and I
worked for them for a couple
three months,
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And I went into personnel and I
said,
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“I've gotta take a two year
leave of absence here."
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So I went home,
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Called my folks,
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Had mom go out and buy me a
bottle of Jack Daniels,
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And I sat out in my 1968
International Scout
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With an 8 track player and
listened to everything
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Johnny Cash ever did, and killed
off the bottle.
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Well, the next morning the old
man says, “Well, we've got to
take you down the draft center."
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“Pop, they ain't gone take me,
I'm too drunk.” “I don't think
they care.”
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They didn't.
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In my senior year of college, we
had the lottery.
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They need more troops.
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Those with low numbers,
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You were most likely to be
drafted right away as soon as
you finished college.
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I drew number thirteen.
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So I knew that I was going to
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Be drafted pretty much as soon
as
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I finished college. I wasn't
going to volunteer.
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I had been on the debate team in
college, and
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I did not support the war.
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I thought we were on the wrong
side to start out with.
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I had two of my shipmates who
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Evidently saw right through my
closet door - my glass closet
door
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Cause the invited me
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To go with them on a weekend in
the city.
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They took me on a tour of gay
bars in San Francisco
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One of them had a wonderful
performance stage across the
front
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For drag shows, and I of course
had never seen a drag show in my
life.
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And I remember specifically this
one act -
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Where this drag queen came out
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In the wonderful white, frilly
dress
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Hair in ringlets and
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Flowers in her hair, and this
big garden swing
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Dropped down from up over stage,
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And the ropes were garlands with
flowers
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And this singer got on that
swing and started swinging,
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And the song of course was “If
you are going to San Francisco,
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You'd better wear some flowers
in your hair”
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Every time I think about that
song, I go right back there to
that bar.
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And watching that singer go back
and forth
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On the stage, singing that song,
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And thinking to myself, “You
know? This isn't bad at all
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These are real people, and
they're all having such a good
time, that there's no reason at
all
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Why this can't be a part of me
too.” I remember having that
revelation
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Which is part of coming out.
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“I can do this. Yes.”
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The day before I was to leave,
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There was a horrible snowstorm.
Well, I decided I was going out.
It didn't make any difference.
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What it was, this was my last
night in Des Moines.
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And I was going to Vietnam, and
maybe I was never coming home.
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So I went out. I went out to a
bar called the Mail Box Lounge.
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It was a new gay bar in town.
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It had just been open a couple
of months. Very few people
there.
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I did meet somebody, though.
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And I went home, and in the
morning I was on the first
flight out of Des Moines.
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And what I didn't know until
many months later when I was out
of the Navy and back to
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Home here was that I had that
experience
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On the weekend of
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June 28, 1969.
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Which meant on the same weekend
the Stonewall Riots were
happening in Greenwich Village.
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I think of myself as a child of
Stonewall, because my coming out
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Coincided with that weekend.
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Well, I went to Fort Polk,
Louisiana.
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And if you're going to go to
Nam, that's the place to go.
Cause there's weeds and stink
and
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Hotter than holy hell, so you're
ready for it.
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Well then I got into a program
with training
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To be a sergeant, the NCO
academy in Fort Benning,
Georgia.
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So I went out there and took
that.
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And then I took recondo training
and a few other
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If it was a school I went to it.
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I don't know if I could do it
now, but I could take a 45
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Blindfolded, field strip it,
I'll put it back together, go
through the manual of arms, and
there you are.
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There's a lot of people in the
military who are also gay.
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And I think that's like any
other situation where you have a
totally male environment.
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There are times you
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Even those who aren't gay
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May want to have a sexual
experience.
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One thing that I always taught
all of my guys -
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Just remember, when we go out
tonight, you're gonna die.
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So if you're prepared for it,
you don't worry about it.
Because you've got no influence
over it at all.
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My goal wasn't really to kill
commies.
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Just go on out, follow me, do
what I tell you to do,
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And I'll bring you back home.
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Well, one night I'm out training
arm mens how to patrol
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And I get a call over the radio
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My other team had been hit.
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And I sat down and listened, and
this one had died,
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That one had died, this one got
his eyes blown out...
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The medic, his eyes have popped
out and he's crawling around
trying to find body parts.
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And I just sat there in the
middle of the field and cried.
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Because the night before, I had
told them
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That road was land mined, don't
go down it.
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Well, they never passed it on to
the other team.
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Came back feeling like
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I didn't stand up to my
principles were.
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And nor in the country were we
treated that way.
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It's different today when you
see us going to various parts of
the world, in Afghanistan
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And Iran and Iraq - they went
over
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As a company, so you had that
sense of camaraderie.
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A Vietnam veteran, you didn't
have that.
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You went over as an individual
and you came home as one.
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I hated it when I land in
California - “Baby killer!”
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And blah blah - that was the
last thing I ever did.
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I would never shoot civilians,
babies,
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The villagers loved me like on
of theirs.
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We had our first
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Cavalry reunion in Minneapolis,
Minnesota.
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And my best “fuck buddy” put it
together
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And I get there, and he says,
“Don't out me! Don't out me!"
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I won't do that!
So I had enough brandy in me, I
went up to the
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First sergeant
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“Did you know back in the day?”
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And he says, “Sergeant
Eikleberry, I know you're as
queer as a three dollar bill,
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But you're the best darn
sergeant that I have ever had.”
40 years of worrying about
something
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Just (shoo).
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And there was a lot of us, but
we had to keep it quiet.
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Just keep you trap shut and your
zipper up -
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Until it's time to take it down.
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I had very special parents.
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And before I left, I had
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Made a peace sign out of
Christmas lights and was going
to put it up at the house.
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My father wouldn't let me.
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And when I came home,
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I noticed the lit peace sign was
on the peak of the house.
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And I said, “When did that go
up?”
And my mother said, “The day you
left."
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“Your father's had it on every
night."
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So that was enough for me.
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I heard about The Loop. So I'm
up driving The Loop, and
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Trying to get a little, and I
see this guy pulling
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A parking lot and I looked at
him and watched him, and he had
that “swoosh”.
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John.
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So I walk in and I'm still in my
BDU's and beret.
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And I walked up to the
bartender,
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And I said, “Is this one of them
queer bars?”
And everybody shut up.
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I was built like a brick
shithouse back then.
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And he said, “Yeah, it's a gay
bar.”
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And I said, “Thank God, Mary,
I'm home.”
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First time I went downtown to
check out the P & S Lounge,
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Which was the iconic gay bar in
Des Moines,
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At the time - You had to park in
this surface parking lot,
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And cross busy 2nd Avenue
without anybody seeing you
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And slipping into the bar.
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Gary summed it up real good one
time -
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People treat us like we're
second class citizens
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And this is how we're supposed
to act.
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So hell, act that way.
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Well, the point of spending any
time in a gay bar is
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To do some cruising.
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I was going out mushroom hunting
and this guy kept cruising me,
and I thought, “Well, looky
here..."
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And all of a sudden I found out
I could have a lot of good sex
out there.
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It was all about sucking dick,
you know.
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