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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,888 --> 00:00:12,343 Elton John, up at Pinewood on... 2 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,220 - ...what's the date? - The 12th of... 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:15,450 Twelfth of March. 4 00:00:15,584 --> 00:00:18,879 It's me, split track, 20... Thirty-frame center track. 5 00:00:19,488 --> 00:00:21,015 There's the tone. 6 00:00:26,783 --> 00:00:27,983 Quiet, please. 7 00:00:43,072 --> 00:00:44,632 Here we go. 8 00:00:50,144 --> 00:00:54,235 It was the spring of 1994 and we were just finishing The Lion King, 9 00:00:54,367 --> 00:00:55,980 which would go on to earn great reviews 10 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,578 and about three-quarters of a billion dollars at the box office. 11 00:00:59,712 --> 00:01:02,540 Not bad for a group of artists who were kicked off the Disney lot 12 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,236 and an art form that was given up for dead just ten years earlier. 13 00:01:11,551 --> 00:01:12,751 I produced The Lion King 14 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,255 and the cast-and-crew premiere was coming up fast. 15 00:01:15,391 --> 00:01:17,356 It was tradition for all of us to get up on-stage 16 00:01:17,376 --> 00:01:18,948 and give warm thank-you speeches. 17 00:01:19,072 --> 00:01:22,684 But this time I decided to film all the speeches instead. 18 00:01:23,808 --> 00:01:25,804 Whenever you're comfortable. You are rolling? 19 00:01:25,824 --> 00:01:27,711 Yeah. Okay. 20 00:01:28,512 --> 00:01:34,109 With all the many varied businesses this company is in, it is clear... 21 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,582 It becomes clearer every day that animation is its soul, heart, 22 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,069 and most of its body parts. 23 00:01:42,367 --> 00:01:45,433 You guys have done an unbelievable job over the last decade, 24 00:01:45,568 --> 00:01:47,575 culminating in Lion King, 25 00:01:47,712 --> 00:01:53,080 in pushing forward the company, the culture and the quality of artistry. 26 00:01:53,216 --> 00:01:58,170 Congratulations from me, from anybody who is not on this tape, 27 00:01:58,304 --> 00:02:01,304 from our board, our shareholders and my children. 28 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,640 Congratulations. 29 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,509 - Thank you. - Thanks, everybody. 30 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,317 Thank you to everybody for another absolutely incredible job 31 00:02:08,448 --> 00:02:11,415 on another marvelous movie on the way to the next great movie. 32 00:02:11,552 --> 00:02:13,452 To an outsider, it looked like a perfect world. 33 00:02:13,472 --> 00:02:14,806 - Thank you. - But backstage, 34 00:02:14,911 --> 00:02:16,570 the tension had reached a peak. 35 00:02:16,704 --> 00:02:17,719 - Thank you. - Okay? 36 00:02:17,856 --> 00:02:19,148 - That was it? - Yeah, perfect. 37 00:02:19,168 --> 00:02:21,580 Even though it was the moment of our greatest success, 38 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,251 the wheels were coming off the car. 39 00:02:24,384 --> 00:02:27,067 This is the story of how we got there. 40 00:02:34,688 --> 00:02:36,215 Let's back up to the early '80s 41 00:02:36,352 --> 00:02:39,254 on the Disney Studio lot in Burbank, California. 42 00:02:39,392 --> 00:02:42,316 The animation band is spreading its holiday cheer to the employees 43 00:02:42,336 --> 00:02:44,857 with banjos and jew's harps, as was the tradition. 44 00:02:45,472 --> 00:02:48,821 And that's me on the right, trying to play "Jingle Bells" on the bass. 45 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,710 Like so many of us, I grew up on a diet of Disney films. 46 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,612 And every four years, I'd make a pilgrimage 47 00:02:53,632 --> 00:02:57,112 to the drive-in theater to see their latest animated masterpiece. 48 00:02:57,247 --> 00:02:59,147 When I was 20, I got a job at the studio 49 00:02:59,167 --> 00:03:01,404 delivering artwork and coffee to the animators 50 00:03:01,536 --> 00:03:04,438 and I felt like I won the lottery. 51 00:03:05,791 --> 00:03:07,580 This was the house that Walt built. 52 00:03:07,711 --> 00:03:11,672 Walt Disney, the toast of Hollywood, the genius behind Disneyland 53 00:03:11,808 --> 00:03:15,103 and the producer behind the first animated feature, Snow White. 54 00:03:16,192 --> 00:03:18,942 By the 1950s, Walt was losing interest in animation 55 00:03:19,072 --> 00:03:21,309 and his attention turned to live-action films, 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,847 the new medium of television, 57 00:03:22,976 --> 00:03:25,179 and building the first theme park, Disneyland, 58 00:03:25,312 --> 00:03:27,581 and planning futuristic cities of tomorrow. 59 00:03:27,808 --> 00:03:31,191 By far, the most important part of our Florida Project, 60 00:03:31,328 --> 00:03:34,459 in fact, the heart of everything we'll be doing in Disney World, 61 00:03:34,591 --> 00:03:39,512 will be our Experimental Prototype City of Tomorrow, Epcot. 62 00:03:39,936 --> 00:03:41,463 Walt died in 1966, 63 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,895 but the studio still made sweet, harmless, animated comedies for kids, 64 00:03:45,024 --> 00:03:49,279 supervised by his master animators, the Nine Old Men, 65 00:03:49,408 --> 00:03:53,019 and produced by Walt's son-in-law, studio head Ron Miller. 66 00:03:53,632 --> 00:03:57,145 I'm Randy Cartwright and this is Ron Miller. 67 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,359 How are you? How are you? 68 00:03:58,496 --> 00:04:01,943 Good to see you. This is Randy. Great way to start the film. 69 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,243 Is this a new...? Your first commercial? Ha, ha. Yup. 70 00:04:05,376 --> 00:04:06,390 What is this for? 71 00:04:06,528 --> 00:04:08,332 - Just home movie. - It's a documentary. 72 00:04:08,352 --> 00:04:11,450 Home movie? Documentary of the animation studio. 73 00:04:11,584 --> 00:04:13,209 Hi, Mom. 74 00:04:16,032 --> 00:04:17,657 Well, we're off to a good start. 75 00:04:17,791 --> 00:04:21,087 Here it is, April 9th, 1980. 76 00:04:21,216 --> 00:04:24,031 This is the past to all you folks out there. 77 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,382 And we're gonna go inside and see what it's like. Come on. 78 00:04:28,512 --> 00:04:30,892 For some reason, the halls of the Disney Animation building 79 00:04:30,912 --> 00:04:34,476 always smelled faintly of swamp coolers and pencil shavings and old linoleum. 80 00:04:34,496 --> 00:04:36,471 This is the infamous Rat's Nest. 81 00:04:36,608 --> 00:04:39,707 Animation had been in this slow downward spiral for a long time, 82 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:41,628 even since Walt Disney was alive. 83 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,215 As veteran animators retired, new kids, 84 00:04:44,352 --> 00:04:47,244 mostly from the Disney-sponsored school, CalArts, filled the hallways. 85 00:04:47,264 --> 00:04:49,336 Why, Ruben, you're from CalArts also. 86 00:04:49,471 --> 00:04:50,998 Right. And who are you? 87 00:04:51,135 --> 00:04:52,183 Me? Yes. 88 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:53,335 I'm John Lasseter. 89 00:04:53,472 --> 00:04:55,532 He's the cameraman. He's leaving in a little while. 90 00:04:55,552 --> 00:04:57,483 Could I show you animation? He's got six days. 91 00:04:57,503 --> 00:04:59,740 Could I show you animation? This is animation. 92 00:04:59,872 --> 00:05:01,563 Could I flip something for you? 93 00:05:01,695 --> 00:05:04,478 This is it. Look at that. Peter Pan. 94 00:05:04,608 --> 00:05:07,096 - Oh, looks up and... Ah. - Weird. 95 00:05:07,232 --> 00:05:09,501 It's better than the magic we're making today, 96 00:05:09,631 --> 00:05:11,737 but we can't help that. 97 00:05:14,431 --> 00:05:18,523 We were full of a lot of pent-up youthful creative energy that had to go somewhere, 98 00:05:18,656 --> 00:05:22,911 so it was channeled into things like long lunches, volleyball games, 99 00:05:23,232 --> 00:05:24,857 the annual caricature show, 100 00:05:24,991 --> 00:05:27,097 and my perennial favorite, the holiday show 101 00:05:27,232 --> 00:05:30,363 that starred Eddie Fisher and Doris Day, for some unknown reason. 102 00:05:30,495 --> 00:05:31,924 I hate Zsa Zsa. 103 00:05:33,568 --> 00:05:37,146 This is one of our animators here. This is Ron Clements. 104 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:40,575 He's working on a scene of the Widow from The Fox and the Hound. 105 00:05:40,703 --> 00:05:44,959 Magically, here is Mr. John-ald Musker. Thank you, thank you. 106 00:05:45,088 --> 00:05:47,576 Another animator here at the magic factory. 107 00:05:48,031 --> 00:05:49,323 - This is Glen Keane. - Keane. 108 00:05:49,343 --> 00:05:50,629 He is a directing animator. 109 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,884 I've been here since 8:00 this morning. 110 00:05:54,528 --> 00:05:56,601 - Hi, Tim. - This is Tim Burton, 111 00:05:56,736 --> 00:05:58,329 another one of our people here. 112 00:05:58,464 --> 00:06:01,147 Ron Miller knew that Walt's guys were retiring fast. 113 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:04,300 He had to raise a new crop of animators, but he was cautious about it. 114 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:05,676 He got burned five years earlier 115 00:06:05,696 --> 00:06:09,458 when he entrusted a charismatic animator named Don Bluth to lead the department. 116 00:06:09,503 --> 00:06:11,576 But Bluth polarized the animators. 117 00:06:11,712 --> 00:06:15,007 Some adored him as the messiah of animation and others... 118 00:06:15,136 --> 00:06:18,485 Well, others thought he was just another Walt wannabe. 119 00:06:19,103 --> 00:06:21,228 Ironically, Bluth himself became disillusioned 120 00:06:21,248 --> 00:06:23,084 with the studio's Animation Department. 121 00:06:23,104 --> 00:06:25,754 So on his birthday in 1979, he resigned 122 00:06:25,888 --> 00:06:29,335 and took half the animators with him to start his own studio. 123 00:06:29,824 --> 00:06:33,533 The bombshell set back the release of The Fox and the Hound by six months 124 00:06:33,664 --> 00:06:36,730 and left Miller and the studio betrayed. 125 00:06:36,864 --> 00:06:39,231 It was this interesting cross-generational thing 126 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,102 where you still had a few of these legendary Disney artists 127 00:06:43,232 --> 00:06:46,079 who were now in their sixties and approaching retirement 128 00:06:46,208 --> 00:06:49,175 and then a bunch of young people in their twenties 129 00:06:49,312 --> 00:06:53,982 who were really, really excited and sort of passionate about this medium. 130 00:06:54,432 --> 00:06:57,693 It was thrilling to learn from the masters. 131 00:06:57,824 --> 00:07:01,686 But there was a feeling like that somehow we could be making better films. 132 00:07:01,824 --> 00:07:03,756 Around that time, the studio did a survey 133 00:07:03,776 --> 00:07:06,623 that revealed a majority of teenage moviegoers 134 00:07:06,751 --> 00:07:08,824 wouldn't be caught dead near a Disney movie. 135 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,848 We were just waiting, waiting for something, anything to happen. 136 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,316 On Monday, we reported that Walt Disney Studios 137 00:07:16,447 --> 00:07:19,500 was on shaky financial ground, because of its troubled Film Division 138 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,804 and weak earnings from the Epcot Center in Florida. 139 00:07:21,824 --> 00:07:24,715 However, since that report, there have been dramatic developments. 140 00:07:24,735 --> 00:07:27,867 In just four days, Disney stock jumped 16 percent, 141 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,139 topping off at around $58 a share. 142 00:07:30,272 --> 00:07:32,279 Analysts attribute the jump to two factors. 143 00:07:32,415 --> 00:07:35,275 Splash, the youth-oriented comedy about a mermaid in Manhattan, 144 00:07:35,295 --> 00:07:39,419 stunned Hollywood by racking up over $6 million in its opening three days. 145 00:07:39,552 --> 00:07:42,519 That's the best opening for any movie in Disney's history. 146 00:07:42,656 --> 00:07:46,398 Another surprise, the resignation of Roy E. Disney as chairman of the board. 147 00:07:46,528 --> 00:07:49,612 He's Walt's nephew and son of Walt's brother, the company's co-founder. 148 00:07:49,632 --> 00:07:55,775 The real heartbeat of this company was, is and will always be the film business. 149 00:07:55,904 --> 00:07:58,806 Because from the film business comes the ideas 150 00:07:58,943 --> 00:08:03,221 that then generate new things in the parks. 151 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,920 New promotions, new... 152 00:08:05,055 --> 00:08:09,790 A kind of a sense of continuing newness about the company in general. 153 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,570 And when that began to fail... 154 00:08:12,704 --> 00:08:17,177 And I actually, somewhere along the line, began hearing things like, 155 00:08:17,312 --> 00:08:20,076 "Well, I don't think they really wanna stay in the movie business, 156 00:08:20,096 --> 00:08:23,708 because it's not doing very well and we don't really even need it anyway." 157 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,347 And that gave me all sorts of problems, because I, you know... 158 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,436 I remember saying at one point, "Well, if you really think that way, 159 00:08:31,456 --> 00:08:33,505 then what you're doing is running a museum." 160 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,301 People always talked about Roy as the idiot nephew. 161 00:08:36,383 --> 00:08:37,627 That was his nickname. 162 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,951 Nothing could be really further from the truth. 163 00:08:40,032 --> 00:08:42,901 He was smart, unassuming and powerful. 164 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,586 You could easily underestimate him, but you did so at your own peril. 165 00:08:47,328 --> 00:08:51,419 In 1984, the corporate raider Saul Steinberg turned his sights on Disney. 166 00:08:51,552 --> 00:08:55,219 He threatened to buy the company, break it up and sell the parts for a profit. 167 00:08:55,264 --> 00:08:59,737 The board countered by paying Steinberg a premium to buy back his shares. 168 00:08:59,872 --> 00:09:01,334 It was greenmail. 169 00:09:02,976 --> 00:09:05,262 For years, Roy and his cousin-in-law, Ron Miller, 170 00:09:05,312 --> 00:09:06,872 sat across the boardroom table. 171 00:09:07,008 --> 00:09:08,568 And now the two were at odds 172 00:09:08,704 --> 00:09:11,355 with how the board was handling the takeover threat. 173 00:09:11,488 --> 00:09:15,285 And we finally came to the conclusion that we can't do anything on the inside, 174 00:09:15,424 --> 00:09:19,166 because I'm the lone voice of dissent on this board. 175 00:09:19,296 --> 00:09:23,190 So I resigned from the board of directors. 176 00:09:23,328 --> 00:09:25,881 And it got enormous amounts of attention. 177 00:09:26,016 --> 00:09:29,878 I had a stack the next morning of phone messages 178 00:09:30,016 --> 00:09:32,220 that probably was three, four inches deep. 179 00:09:32,352 --> 00:09:35,516 One of the messages in that stack was Eisner. 180 00:09:35,647 --> 00:09:36,891 And I had known Michael 181 00:09:37,024 --> 00:09:40,140 because he'd come maybe a year before that on to the board at CalArts. 182 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,581 Michael wasn't an M.B.A. He was an English major. 183 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:43,735 He grew up in New York, 184 00:09:43,872 --> 00:09:47,167 where one of his first jobs was programming kids' television for ABC. 185 00:09:47,296 --> 00:09:50,156 And Michael had an amazing track record coming from Paramount. 186 00:09:50,176 --> 00:09:53,973 He'd had hits, Oscar nominations, Terms of Endearment. 187 00:09:54,112 --> 00:09:58,040 He was a winner when he was hired to come in and run Disney. 188 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,036 He also was a man who liked to blow things up. 189 00:10:02,175 --> 00:10:05,656 It was Frank Wells that gave Roy the idea of making Michael the chairman. 190 00:10:05,792 --> 00:10:08,923 Frank and Roy were classmates at Pomona College in the early '50s. 191 00:10:09,855 --> 00:10:13,151 I thought, you know, Frank's more of a businessman 192 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,069 and Michael is a little nuts. 193 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,318 And the two together kind of in some ways made me think of Walt and my dad. 194 00:10:20,448 --> 00:10:24,343 So we began saying, "How would you two like to take this job?" 195 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,532 There's been a management shake-up in the Magic Kingdom of Disney. 196 00:10:27,552 --> 00:10:29,919 Two Hollywood studio executives have been chosen 197 00:10:30,048 --> 00:10:31,674 to run Walt Disney Productions, 198 00:10:31,808 --> 00:10:34,557 the first time outsiders have been brought in at the top. 199 00:10:34,688 --> 00:10:37,273 The Disney board of directors chose Michael Eisner 200 00:10:37,408 --> 00:10:38,860 of Paramount Pictures as chairman, 201 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,749 and Frank Wells of Warner Bros. as chief operating officer. 202 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,859 The first goal, really, of new management 203 00:10:44,992 --> 00:10:47,196 is gonna be getting back in the movie business 204 00:10:47,328 --> 00:10:49,084 in a very serious way, 205 00:10:49,215 --> 00:10:51,180 in the sense of not only just making movies, 206 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,956 but coming up with new ideas. 207 00:10:53,407 --> 00:10:55,741 Their partnership really made the company special. 208 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,380 There was this perception that Michael was a shoot-from-the-hip, 209 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:59,692 back-of-the-napkin kind of guy, 210 00:10:59,712 --> 00:11:02,761 and Frank was very organized and ran things in an orderly manner. 211 00:11:03,072 --> 00:11:06,188 But in many ways, it was the opposite. Michael was kind of the sane one. 212 00:11:06,208 --> 00:11:08,313 And Frank, he did bold and crazy things, 213 00:11:08,448 --> 00:11:11,116 like swimming oceans, climbing the great summits of the world 214 00:11:11,136 --> 00:11:14,398 and calling at 3 a.m. to ask what Goofy's original name was. 215 00:11:14,527 --> 00:11:18,139 Please welcome my mountain-climbing Disney teammate, Frank Wells. 216 00:11:18,271 --> 00:11:20,716 I figured out from this employee forum what the difference is 217 00:11:20,736 --> 00:11:23,116 between chief operating officer and chief executive officer. 218 00:11:23,136 --> 00:11:25,708 Chief operating officer is in charge of doing dangerous things, 219 00:11:25,728 --> 00:11:28,300 like when I have to fly here with Tinker Bell on a tiny wire. 220 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,687 Chief executive officer, he's in charge of funny. 221 00:11:30,816 --> 00:11:32,016 Frank? 222 00:11:32,096 --> 00:11:33,722 Hi, Michael. 223 00:11:38,464 --> 00:11:41,311 I came back to the company in 1984 224 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,604 and, rather cavalier way at the time, said to Michael, 225 00:11:44,736 --> 00:11:46,924 "Why don't you let me have the Animation Department, 226 00:11:46,944 --> 00:11:50,316 because I may be the only guy right now, with all these new people coming in, 227 00:11:50,336 --> 00:11:53,565 who at least understands the process and knows most of the people." 228 00:11:53,696 --> 00:11:56,346 The state of the art at that moment was kind of waning 229 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,822 and the enthusiasm of the studio itself towards it had not been real strong. 230 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,349 So I just felt a little protective about it. 231 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,869 And I was in John Musker's office. 232 00:12:07,008 --> 00:12:08,588 And I think it was Steve Hulett came in 233 00:12:08,608 --> 00:12:11,542 with the memo saying that Ron Miller had resigned. 234 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:15,389 And we were shocked and it was a huge bombshell to go off. 235 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,356 But I thought it was, you know, terrific news, 236 00:12:17,376 --> 00:12:20,492 that maybe it meant that things were gonna actually get better at the studio. 237 00:12:20,512 --> 00:12:23,820 And John, I think, felt the same way. He seemed pretty excited about it. 238 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,452 But Ron was worried, in a sort of melancholy mood, said, 239 00:12:27,584 --> 00:12:29,308 "It could always get worse." 240 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,060 It was an invasion from Hollywood. 241 00:12:31,136 --> 00:12:33,656 The parking lot was jammed with BMWs and Porsches. 242 00:12:33,792 --> 00:12:36,269 And I remember interior decorators tearing down walls 243 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,775 that hadn't been touched since 1939. 244 00:12:38,911 --> 00:12:41,978 New Berber carpeting replaced decades-old linoleum. 245 00:12:42,112 --> 00:12:44,108 I couldn't figure out what's wrong with linoleum. 246 00:12:44,128 --> 00:12:46,176 I mean, Walt Disney walked on that linoleum. 247 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,476 Even the snack machines were being torn out. 248 00:12:48,607 --> 00:12:50,462 Goodbye, vending machines. 249 00:12:50,592 --> 00:12:53,242 I had no experience with Hollywood at that time. 250 00:12:53,376 --> 00:12:57,751 My experience was with kindly old men with cardigan sweaters. 251 00:12:57,888 --> 00:13:00,506 And they would sit around and pat you on the back. 252 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,244 And here's these guys hollering foul language in the middle of story meetings. 253 00:13:05,376 --> 00:13:08,043 And a splash of cold water, suddenly a wake-up to reality. 254 00:13:08,063 --> 00:13:10,071 You're in the real world here. 255 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,094 Hello. I'm Michael Eisner. 256 00:13:12,224 --> 00:13:14,133 And welcome to The Disney Sunday Movie. 257 00:13:14,272 --> 00:13:17,850 Michael Eisner is the irreverent kid from the Disney generation 258 00:13:17,984 --> 00:13:19,871 who has taken over the toy store. 259 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,622 The money alone is right out of Fantasyland. 260 00:13:22,752 --> 00:13:26,843 His salary and stock options are worth tens of millions of dollars. 261 00:13:26,976 --> 00:13:29,114 He may look every inch the company chairman 262 00:13:29,248 --> 00:13:32,364 when he is taping the introduction to The Disney Sunday Night Movie. 263 00:13:32,384 --> 00:13:36,278 But in fact, he's having more fun than any other boy on the block. 264 00:13:36,416 --> 00:13:38,348 Look, Mickey. Some of our friends are coming. 265 00:13:38,368 --> 00:13:39,612 Hey, Minnie. 266 00:13:39,743 --> 00:13:41,964 So one of the first things that Michael did as CEO 267 00:13:41,984 --> 00:13:44,716 was to bring in Jeffrey Katzenberg, his colleague from Paramount, 268 00:13:44,736 --> 00:13:47,289 to run the Film Division of Disney. 269 00:13:47,423 --> 00:13:49,388 Jeffrey got his start in New York politics, 270 00:13:49,408 --> 00:13:51,709 working in the office of Mayor John Lindsay, 271 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,255 where his affectionate nickname was Squirt. 272 00:13:55,904 --> 00:13:56,919 At Paramount Pictures, 273 00:13:57,056 --> 00:13:59,852 he studied in the shadow of Barry Diller and Michael Eisner. 274 00:13:59,872 --> 00:14:03,516 And there his nickname was the Golden Retriever. 275 00:14:03,648 --> 00:14:05,196 At Disney, he really had no nickname, 276 00:14:05,216 --> 00:14:08,108 because this was the place where he could step out of the shadows 277 00:14:08,128 --> 00:14:09,721 and make his mark on Hollywood. 278 00:14:09,855 --> 00:14:11,276 I sought him out at Paramount. 279 00:14:11,296 --> 00:14:13,532 We'd worked together. He was just fantastic. 280 00:14:13,664 --> 00:14:16,533 He was a worker. He was committed. He was obsessed. 281 00:14:16,672 --> 00:14:18,101 He made relationships. 282 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,502 If we found somebody good, he would lasso him into our company. 283 00:14:21,631 --> 00:14:24,716 He did it at Paramount and he did it at Disney and he did it great. 284 00:14:24,736 --> 00:14:29,111 So I always remember my first day at Disney when I showed up 285 00:14:29,248 --> 00:14:31,419 and I went to Michael's office and he said, 286 00:14:31,552 --> 00:14:33,164 "Come here, I wanna show you something." 287 00:14:33,184 --> 00:14:35,835 And I walked over and he was looking out his window. 288 00:14:35,968 --> 00:14:37,495 And, you know, from his corner, 289 00:14:37,632 --> 00:14:40,763 he pointed down to the Ink and Paint building. 290 00:14:40,896 --> 00:14:42,860 He said, "Do you know what they do down there?" 291 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:43,895 And I said, "No." 292 00:14:44,032 --> 00:14:46,252 He said,"That's where they make the animated movies." 293 00:14:46,272 --> 00:14:49,559 I went,"Really?" He said,"Yes." And he said,"And that's your problem." 294 00:14:50,112 --> 00:14:53,243 The first culture clash happened on a much-anticipated film 295 00:14:53,376 --> 00:14:55,884 that was years in the making and millions over budget, 296 00:14:55,904 --> 00:14:56,918 The Black Cauldron. 297 00:14:57,056 --> 00:14:59,051 He's overwhelmed. He'd be jumping up and down. 298 00:14:59,071 --> 00:15:00,566 Jumping, clapping. He'd be like: 299 00:15:00,704 --> 00:15:04,203 The younger guys were really impatient and anxious to show what they could do, 300 00:15:04,223 --> 00:15:05,996 but they felt like they were being held back 301 00:15:06,016 --> 00:15:07,588 by the remnants of the old guard. 302 00:15:07,904 --> 00:15:11,180 While the older guys thought the kids were brats and should get back to work. 303 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,291 In the case of The Black Cauldron, we started with five books 304 00:15:15,424 --> 00:15:17,228 and had to condense them down into one. 305 00:15:17,248 --> 00:15:19,468 In the first couple of weeks I was at the studio, 306 00:15:19,488 --> 00:15:21,789 I saw The Black Cauldron. 307 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,335 It was a very dark movie and a very troubled movie. 308 00:15:25,472 --> 00:15:29,628 "This is just way, way, way too violent and too scary. 309 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,280 You have to edit some of these things out." 310 00:15:32,415 --> 00:15:34,540 They said, "Well, you can't edit an animated movie." 311 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,561 I said,"Well, of course you can." And they said,"No, you can't." 312 00:15:37,696 --> 00:15:38,940 Hey. No, you don't. 313 00:15:39,072 --> 00:15:40,364 Honestly, you would think that 314 00:15:40,384 --> 00:15:42,156 I was causing World War Three at the studio, 315 00:15:42,176 --> 00:15:45,885 because I literally said,"Well, you get the film and bring it to an edit bay 316 00:15:46,016 --> 00:15:48,236 and I'm gonna show you how you edit an animated movie." 317 00:15:48,256 --> 00:15:49,456 I mean it. 318 00:15:50,112 --> 00:15:53,145 Jeffrey was hands-on, elbows-on, sharp elbows-on. 319 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,899 You never knew if he was gonna hug you or kick you. 320 00:15:56,032 --> 00:16:00,222 He said in an interview around that time, "We've got to wake up Sleeping Beauty." 321 00:16:00,352 --> 00:16:02,924 Then Joe Hale, the producer of The Black Cauldron, was furious. 322 00:16:02,944 --> 00:16:06,457 "Who are these guys?"he said. "Sleeping Beauty is awake." 323 00:16:06,592 --> 00:16:08,926 He was fired not long after. 324 00:16:09,056 --> 00:16:11,511 Black Cauldron cost $44 million to make 325 00:16:11,648 --> 00:16:13,839 and made less than half that at the box office. 326 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,287 And, to add insult to injury, 327 00:16:16,416 --> 00:16:19,416 it was beat out at the box office by The Care Bears Movie. 328 00:16:19,552 --> 00:16:21,243 Oh! 329 00:16:21,375 --> 00:16:24,441 That day, Disney Animation hit bottom. 330 00:16:24,576 --> 00:16:26,845 This is Ron Clements again. Hello. 331 00:16:26,976 --> 00:16:29,529 Explain a little bit about Basil of Baker Street. 332 00:16:29,663 --> 00:16:33,886 Well, Basil of Baker Street is about a little mouse 333 00:16:34,016 --> 00:16:36,252 that is just like Sherlock Holmes. 334 00:16:36,383 --> 00:16:39,383 One of the first things Roy did was he arranged one day 335 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,960 for us to be pitched the storyboards for the entire movie. 336 00:16:44,096 --> 00:16:47,740 It's like going back to what animation really is supposed to be. 337 00:16:47,872 --> 00:16:50,806 And for the better part of three hours, 338 00:16:50,944 --> 00:16:55,995 literally the entire movie was pitched to us. 339 00:16:56,128 --> 00:16:58,284 You go through one storyboard, then they bring another 340 00:16:58,304 --> 00:16:59,884 and you'd sit there for hours and... 341 00:16:59,904 --> 00:17:03,733 I couldn't remember what was in the first storyboard. 342 00:17:03,871 --> 00:17:05,771 It was a very hard process for me to deal with. 343 00:17:05,791 --> 00:17:07,787 I'd been used to dealing in the script area. 344 00:17:07,807 --> 00:17:09,707 So when it was over, we all sort of said, 345 00:17:09,727 --> 00:17:11,516 "Thanks very much," and,"Great job." 346 00:17:11,647 --> 00:17:13,996 And Michael said, "Walk back to my office with me." 347 00:17:14,016 --> 00:17:15,980 So we walked back. On the way back to the office, 348 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,477 he said,"What do you think?" I said,"l have no idea." 349 00:17:19,744 --> 00:17:21,151 And he said, "Neither do I." 350 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,069 I said,"Well, here's the thing. 351 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,680 We have 175 people and we're paying them every day to come to work. 352 00:17:26,816 --> 00:17:29,132 And we're gonna pay them whether they make this movie 353 00:17:29,152 --> 00:17:32,300 or they don't make this movie, so I guess we probably ought to make the movie." 354 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,987 And he says to me, "Well, that's exactly my feeling too." 355 00:17:35,072 --> 00:17:37,676 The live-action business was booming and Jeffrey needed offices 356 00:17:37,696 --> 00:17:41,012 for his new stable of stars, like Bette Midler and Robin Williams. 357 00:17:41,376 --> 00:17:43,580 He wanted the animation building. 358 00:17:43,712 --> 00:17:46,028 The news came down from the head of animation, Roy Disney, 359 00:17:46,048 --> 00:17:47,724 announcing that the animators would have 360 00:17:47,744 --> 00:17:49,792 to move out of the building and off the lot. 361 00:17:49,856 --> 00:17:51,276 What was going on here? I mean, 362 00:17:51,296 --> 00:17:54,092 this was the building where Walt Disney made Cinderella and Peter Pan, 363 00:17:54,112 --> 00:17:55,493 and we were having to vacate? 364 00:17:55,616 --> 00:17:56,950 All there was was this memo. 365 00:17:57,056 --> 00:17:59,161 There was no meeting, no debate, just a memo. 366 00:17:59,392 --> 00:18:01,629 I guess Roy didn't want the confrontation. 367 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,281 On our last day, 200 frightened people, 368 00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:07,263 the remnants of Disney's once great Animation Studio, 369 00:18:07,392 --> 00:18:09,612 gathered on the steps of the old Animation building 370 00:18:09,632 --> 00:18:12,828 for one last photo before we left. 371 00:18:13,568 --> 00:18:16,056 So to carry that forward into the new building, 372 00:18:16,192 --> 00:18:18,712 which was in Glendale, not a great area, 373 00:18:18,847 --> 00:18:22,524 but the building itself was such a gutted wretch of a building, 374 00:18:22,656 --> 00:18:26,747 with just cinder block and torn-up carpet and barbed wire around it 375 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,426 and broken bottles on the crummy little parking lot. 376 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,982 So, Ed, what are you doing nowadays? 377 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:34,787 I'm just emotionally under my desk. 378 00:18:34,912 --> 00:18:37,548 Well, we were all pretty sure that we'd be fired in a week or so, 379 00:18:37,568 --> 00:18:40,521 so we decided to celebrate the apparent end of Disney Animation 380 00:18:40,575 --> 00:18:43,772 with a full-scale reenactment of Apocalypse Now. 381 00:18:58,784 --> 00:19:01,566 We don't have long dark hallways anymore. We got cubicles. 382 00:19:01,695 --> 00:19:04,794 The warehouse was an open plan, so you couldn't really hide. 383 00:19:04,927 --> 00:19:07,787 It opened the place to frequent and spontaneous communications 384 00:19:07,807 --> 00:19:09,498 in the hallways, in the men's room. 385 00:19:09,631 --> 00:19:10,646 Come on in. Come on. 386 00:19:10,784 --> 00:19:11,984 The barriers were down. 387 00:19:12,928 --> 00:19:15,467 After the move, Jeffrey called a meeting of all the animators, 388 00:19:15,487 --> 00:19:17,868 so the crew could air their questions and concerns. 389 00:19:17,888 --> 00:19:20,044 So Jeffrey got up and said, "Give me your best shot. 390 00:19:20,064 --> 00:19:23,084 Hit me in the solar plexus. Ask me anything. I've got rhino skin." 391 00:19:23,104 --> 00:19:26,092 And somebody piped up and said,"We don't think you know what you're doing." 392 00:19:26,112 --> 00:19:28,381 And I said, "Look, I'm here. I'm not going away. 393 00:19:28,512 --> 00:19:33,334 And I'm more than happy to learn and take the time and be educated by you. 394 00:19:33,472 --> 00:19:37,050 The fact is that the last couple of animated movies made 395 00:19:37,184 --> 00:19:38,711 were not particularly good." 396 00:19:38,848 --> 00:19:41,084 The animation meetings were usually scheduled, 397 00:19:41,216 --> 00:19:44,249 a lot of times, at 6:00 in the morning. 398 00:19:44,512 --> 00:19:48,636 And so, yeah, I remember driving to go to those meetings. 399 00:19:48,768 --> 00:19:52,183 And then that sort of strange atmosphere at that time of the morning, 400 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,393 and hardly anyone is awake or around. 401 00:19:54,528 --> 00:19:58,172 He began calling meetings for 8:00 in the morning on Sunday. 402 00:19:58,304 --> 00:20:02,297 And I think it was about the second one, I was just angry. 403 00:20:02,431 --> 00:20:05,214 Because it's just such a total sign of disrespect 404 00:20:05,344 --> 00:20:08,588 for a lot of very talented people who are working their ass off for you. 405 00:20:08,608 --> 00:20:12,186 And I said,"Jeffrey, we gotta have these meetings at some other time, 406 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,801 because I promise you, if you have another one of these things at 8 a.m., 407 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,778 I'm showing up in my pajamas." 408 00:20:19,904 --> 00:20:23,372 - Aren't you proud of it, Mr. Disney? - Why, I'm so proud, I think I'll bust. 409 00:20:23,392 --> 00:20:25,068 I think it was right around the time of... 410 00:20:25,088 --> 00:20:27,374 The Oscars were... It was just around the corner. 411 00:20:27,424 --> 00:20:30,686 And he said,"You know, I'm not interested in the Academy Awards. 412 00:20:30,816 --> 00:20:34,362 I'm interested in the Bank of America awards," you know. 413 00:20:34,496 --> 00:20:36,236 "What the money these things pull in." 414 00:20:36,256 --> 00:20:40,991 And it was just absolutely the worst thing to tell a room full of artists. 415 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:43,454 It was so discouraging. 416 00:20:45,536 --> 00:20:47,259 Jeffrey, one day, he said to me, 417 00:20:47,392 --> 00:20:49,913 "You really need to get your own Jeffrey Katzenberg." 418 00:20:50,048 --> 00:20:52,556 And I began thinking and thinking, "You know, it's right. 419 00:20:52,576 --> 00:20:55,991 I can't do this by myself and I'm not that talented anyway." 420 00:20:56,128 --> 00:20:58,495 So the call I made was to Bob Fitzpatrick, 421 00:20:58,624 --> 00:21:00,910 who was in the Olympic Arts Festival at the time. 422 00:21:01,024 --> 00:21:03,660 He says,"l think I have somebody. I'll send him over to you. 423 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,036 His name is Peter Schneider." 424 00:21:05,056 --> 00:21:07,884 I was living in a small apartment with my wife and baby daughter, 425 00:21:07,904 --> 00:21:10,141 and she said to me, "Go get a job," you know. 426 00:21:10,272 --> 00:21:13,207 I was naive. I had no baggage, no preconceived notions. 427 00:21:13,344 --> 00:21:15,180 I didn't care what had been done in the past. 428 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,909 I knew that I could do no worse than The Black Cauldron. 429 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,940 You know, you can't fall off the first floor. 430 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,956 Peter was given the title of vice president, 431 00:21:22,976 --> 00:21:27,580 which, to the insurgent population of animators, made him the Man. 432 00:21:27,712 --> 00:21:31,804 And the main weapon to fight the Man was the dreaded caricature. 433 00:21:31,936 --> 00:21:34,124 Well, Peter was kind of a scary thing, you know. 434 00:21:34,144 --> 00:21:37,676 A small frame, wiry, and, you know, full of nervous energy. He was like, "Nyah." 435 00:21:37,696 --> 00:21:39,671 He looked like he was about 15 years old. 436 00:21:39,808 --> 00:21:43,103 He had this perpetual smile that everybody caricatured. 437 00:21:43,231 --> 00:21:47,388 It was like this kind of wide-eyed, predatory smile that really worried people. 438 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,829 You'd go into his office, 439 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,595 he would just sit all twisted up like a pretzel. It was odd. 440 00:21:51,615 --> 00:21:54,796 And he had a little button that closed the door behind you when you went in. 441 00:21:54,816 --> 00:21:56,620 When the door closed, you'd kind of look back 442 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,164 and see if there were scratch marks on it or something like that. Ha-ha-ha! 443 00:22:00,255 --> 00:22:02,316 When I got to Animation, I knew I had a hundred days 444 00:22:02,336 --> 00:22:04,605 to change the culture before it changed me. 445 00:22:04,736 --> 00:22:06,213 I was trying to empower people, 446 00:22:06,271 --> 00:22:09,501 to make them feel good about themselves, to value the work. 447 00:22:09,632 --> 00:22:12,236 I brought in some of my own people who'd worked for me in theater. 448 00:22:12,256 --> 00:22:14,677 Kathleen Gavin, Maureen Donley, Tom Schumacher. 449 00:22:14,816 --> 00:22:17,336 - Sticky buns. - Sticky buns. 450 00:22:17,472 --> 00:22:19,196 I brought in Lakers coach Pat Riley 451 00:22:19,328 --> 00:22:21,183 to talk about winning and teamwork. 452 00:22:21,312 --> 00:22:23,660 Peter picked apart every piece of the production process. 453 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,728 Why are we punching time clocks? Why are we making our own paint? 454 00:22:26,848 --> 00:22:29,932 Why can't we update our animation pegs? Why don't we have more computers? 455 00:22:29,952 --> 00:22:31,152 What about training? 456 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,572 It had this feeling of a freight train leaving the station at light speed. 457 00:22:34,592 --> 00:22:36,348 You betterjump on orjump off fast. 458 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,895 Most people got on and it was a wild ride, an exciting time. 459 00:22:40,032 --> 00:22:41,747 There was this team-sport mentality. 460 00:22:42,016 --> 00:22:45,628 You can't play the game unless everybody is firing off on all cylinders. 461 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,908 Even second string, you were hungry to be part of this, to jump into the game. 462 00:22:48,928 --> 00:22:50,892 There was an openness, a permission, almost, 463 00:22:50,912 --> 00:22:54,709 to be critical about anything. Anything but the Marketing Department. 464 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,732 Marketing thought that the title Basil of Baker Street 465 00:22:58,752 --> 00:23:01,324 was a real head-scratcher and they wanted to change it. 466 00:23:01,408 --> 00:23:05,237 So Peter sent off a memo announcing that they were changing the title to: 467 00:23:05,376 --> 00:23:06,783 The Great Mouse Detective. 468 00:23:06,912 --> 00:23:09,611 The resistance was pretty fierce and we all started trying things 469 00:23:09,631 --> 00:23:11,980 to get it to be our way and it wasn't gonna change. 470 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,895 One of the artists got the bright idea to send out a fake memo, in Peter's name, 471 00:23:16,032 --> 00:23:19,229 saying that now all the Disney films will be renamed. 472 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:23,451 From now on, Snow White would become Seven Little Men Help a Girl. 473 00:23:23,584 --> 00:23:27,544 And Pinocchio would be The Wooden Boy Who Became Real. 474 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,265 Peter saw the joke memo as undermining his authority 475 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,669 and demanded to know who wrote the memo. 476 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,896 The artists saw it as good clean fun and kept the author a secret. 477 00:23:36,288 --> 00:23:39,190 They even sent it up to Jeffrey's office for added amusement. 478 00:23:39,328 --> 00:23:40,876 Peter, I think his tires were slashed 479 00:23:40,896 --> 00:23:43,211 or somebody busted his window in his car in the lot. 480 00:23:43,231 --> 00:23:46,580 Some, you know, really mature way to handle the situation. 481 00:23:47,136 --> 00:23:50,070 Peter came in and put us all in the screening room 482 00:23:50,208 --> 00:23:51,898 and just tore us a new one. 483 00:23:52,032 --> 00:23:54,999 That was the fabled triple-veiner that Peter had, 484 00:23:55,136 --> 00:23:58,780 where, I mean, he was, like, levitating and glowing, he was so mad. 485 00:23:58,912 --> 00:24:01,195 I think after that meeting, we all kind of respected him. 486 00:24:01,215 --> 00:24:02,597 What I love is he didn't say, 487 00:24:02,688 --> 00:24:05,022 "Shut up. If you don't like it, there's the gate." 488 00:24:05,055 --> 00:24:06,965 He said, "We're gonna make great films." 489 00:24:07,104 --> 00:24:10,399 And Jeffrey just laughed it off and said, "Don't even worry about it." 490 00:24:10,528 --> 00:24:13,868 And I think that cemented my relationship with Jeffrey, in some weird way, 491 00:24:13,888 --> 00:24:16,108 and also cemented my relationship with the artists. 492 00:24:16,128 --> 00:24:19,641 And as a bonus, the memo even ended up as a category on Jeopardy! 493 00:24:19,776 --> 00:24:21,150 And finally, In Other Words. 494 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,692 In Other Words came about as the result of a big foofaraw 495 00:24:23,712 --> 00:24:25,580 that occurred at the Disney Studios last year 496 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,607 when the employees staged a minor revolt 497 00:24:27,743 --> 00:24:30,173 when they changed the title of Basil of Baker Street 498 00:24:30,208 --> 00:24:31,590 to The Great Mouse Detective. 499 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,055 In Other Words for 300. 500 00:24:33,184 --> 00:24:35,672 "The girl with the see-through shoes." 501 00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:37,150 Marjorie. Who is Cinderella? 502 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,480 Who is Cinderella? Good. 503 00:24:39,871 --> 00:24:42,970 The Great Mouse Detective was released in 1986 to good reviews 504 00:24:43,103 --> 00:24:44,478 and respectable box office. 505 00:24:44,608 --> 00:24:46,747 But there was a new animation threat in town. 506 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,080 Steven Spielberg. 507 00:24:48,192 --> 00:24:50,988 Steven loved the films of Walt Disney, so he jumped into the game, 508 00:24:51,008 --> 00:24:53,212 teaming up with none other than Don Bluth, 509 00:24:53,344 --> 00:24:55,440 the animator who kicked us when we were down. 510 00:24:55,648 --> 00:24:58,201 That year, An American Tail quickly became 511 00:24:58,336 --> 00:25:01,565 the highest-grossing non-Disney animated feature ever, 512 00:25:01,695 --> 00:25:05,973 beating out The Great Mouse Detective by over $22 million. 513 00:25:06,112 --> 00:25:07,967 Oliver... 514 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,076 That's funny. 515 00:25:10,208 --> 00:25:12,923 When I first got there, Oliver and Company was being made. 516 00:25:12,992 --> 00:25:14,007 It had two directors. 517 00:25:14,144 --> 00:25:15,344 This is Rick Rich. Hello. 518 00:25:15,456 --> 00:25:17,757 - This is George Scribner. - I fired Rick Rich, 519 00:25:17,888 --> 00:25:19,116 who was belligerent to me, 520 00:25:19,136 --> 00:25:21,279 and kept George Scribner, who sucked up to me. 521 00:25:21,344 --> 00:25:23,180 It seemed like the right decision at the time. 522 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,818 People who like you get ahead. 523 00:25:25,951 --> 00:25:28,876 Peter brought his theatrical background to the animation business. 524 00:25:28,896 --> 00:25:31,896 He demanded that filmmakers pick their own teams based on talent 525 00:25:31,936 --> 00:25:36,126 and who they wanted to work with, not on some form of institutional seniority. 526 00:25:36,255 --> 00:25:39,671 If you didn't have a strong point of view, you disappeared. 527 00:25:39,936 --> 00:25:42,653 There was creative debate. You had to defend your ideas. 528 00:25:42,784 --> 00:25:45,868 It meant that more drawings went into the trash than went up on the screen. 529 00:25:45,888 --> 00:25:49,434 Throwaway drawings. The drawings we just throw away 530 00:25:49,568 --> 00:25:51,692 - that don't mean anything. - Tore it in half. 531 00:25:51,712 --> 00:25:55,542 These are the ones that we didn't even use. 532 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:02,619 Revisions. Every line a writer changed, 100 drawings go in the trash. 533 00:26:05,824 --> 00:26:08,541 And because the family name is still the franchise, 534 00:26:08,672 --> 00:26:12,021 the company still produces a few of those Disney animated features, 535 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,615 even though they cost a fortune to create. 536 00:26:14,752 --> 00:26:17,141 The new one is an animated version of Oliver Twist, 537 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,655 with Billy Joel and Bette Midler doing the singing and barking and growling. 538 00:26:21,792 --> 00:26:24,988 But the finished film may well require a half-million frames, 539 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:29,876 each one drawn by an artist at a total cost of more than $10 million, 540 00:26:30,015 --> 00:26:32,830 more than it can make back anytime soon. 541 00:26:33,728 --> 00:26:36,030 Can you really afford 542 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,804 to do what you wanna do in animation as much as you wanna do? 543 00:26:39,936 --> 00:26:42,205 The answer is no, but we're doing it anyway. 544 00:26:42,336 --> 00:26:44,671 We have to do it in this company. Have to? 545 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,687 We have to. That is our legacy. 546 00:26:46,912 --> 00:26:49,400 The animation area, the full-length animation, 547 00:26:49,536 --> 00:26:52,251 you have made a promise to do one film a year. Is that it? 548 00:26:52,288 --> 00:26:56,598 Well, Roy made it, so I'm... We jointly made that one. 549 00:26:56,864 --> 00:27:01,981 Yeah, it's our intent to make a new one every year. 550 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,394 Oliver will be the first in that group. 551 00:27:06,528 --> 00:27:10,270 And Little Mermaid, the following year, is on schedule 552 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,629 to be released a year from now. And we think we can do it. 553 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,727 We're accumulating more and more and better artists 554 00:27:16,864 --> 00:27:19,995 and certainly more and more experience as we go. 555 00:27:20,128 --> 00:27:23,543 Helping to feed the coffers in a big way was a machine called the VCR 556 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,135 that could actually play movies from a cassette tape 557 00:27:26,272 --> 00:27:27,930 in your own living room. 558 00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:30,934 The releasing of Pinocchio in video, 559 00:27:31,232 --> 00:27:32,709 Disney was never gonna do that. 560 00:27:32,832 --> 00:27:35,101 I thought that was carved in granite 561 00:27:35,232 --> 00:27:40,469 that they would be held in storage for seven years and then released carefully. 562 00:27:40,608 --> 00:27:42,732 How was the decision made to put them out in video? 563 00:27:42,752 --> 00:27:46,364 I don't think there's been any more careful decision than we have reached. 564 00:27:46,496 --> 00:27:50,490 And we have reached it so far only in respect to the one classic, Pinocchio. 565 00:27:50,624 --> 00:27:52,860 It's out now this summer. It's doing very well. 566 00:27:52,992 --> 00:27:56,524 It's only after that that we'll slowly decide what to do with the rest of it. 567 00:27:56,544 --> 00:28:01,400 And after all, a video release this summer hardly is gonna affect Pinocchio 568 00:28:01,536 --> 00:28:04,394 when it's released theatrically another seven years from now. 569 00:28:05,088 --> 00:28:07,708 Pinocchio went out as a trial balloon and made millions. 570 00:28:07,776 --> 00:28:11,468 It was like a license to print money, since there were no costs for the old titles. 571 00:28:11,488 --> 00:28:14,968 But that immediately upped the ante to get more titles into the pipeline. 572 00:28:15,104 --> 00:28:18,519 So to find these new titles, anybody, artists, secretaries, janitors, 573 00:28:18,656 --> 00:28:21,241 could come in and pitch their ideas in a gong show. 574 00:28:21,375 --> 00:28:22,455 Some ideas, like Pocahontas, 575 00:28:22,591 --> 00:28:25,177 were green-lit from a single drawing and a title. 576 00:28:25,312 --> 00:28:27,564 Others, like Little Mermaid, were gonged at first, 577 00:28:27,584 --> 00:28:30,301 because it was too much like Splash, but came back later. 578 00:28:30,432 --> 00:28:32,908 And there were all sorts of projects being green-lit. 579 00:28:32,928 --> 00:28:35,691 A sequel idea called Rescuers Down Under, set in Australia. 580 00:28:36,256 --> 00:28:38,124 Prince And The Pauper, starring Mickey Mouse. 581 00:28:38,144 --> 00:28:39,421 And an old shelved project 582 00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:44,603 that Walt Disney himself considered back in the 1940s, Beauty and the Beast. 583 00:28:44,736 --> 00:28:47,308 Not only does the ghost of Walt Disney, the creative genius, 584 00:28:47,328 --> 00:28:48,757 keep Eisner awake at night. 585 00:28:48,896 --> 00:28:50,554 When he first came to the company, 586 00:28:50,688 --> 00:28:53,819 he discovered that executives routinely made decisions by asking, 587 00:28:53,952 --> 00:28:55,286 "What would Walt have done?" 588 00:28:55,392 --> 00:28:57,835 To a certain extent, people, somebody, would surely have said, 589 00:28:57,855 --> 00:28:59,596 "Walt probably wouldn't have done that." 590 00:28:59,616 --> 00:29:00,998 We needed to break that cycle 591 00:29:01,087 --> 00:29:04,153 and we needed to get out into the whole town. 592 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,531 The argument that says,"Some dead guy is trying to run your operation." 593 00:29:09,664 --> 00:29:11,071 You can't do that. 594 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,687 I don't think Disney is like the constitution. 595 00:29:13,823 --> 00:29:16,108 I don't think we have to preserve it and put it in glass. 596 00:29:16,128 --> 00:29:19,224 I think it's a growing... And if it's not growing, it's gonna die. 597 00:29:19,296 --> 00:29:20,588 Our name is a fantastic asset 598 00:29:20,608 --> 00:29:23,510 and it represents a terrific man who was very creative. 599 00:29:23,648 --> 00:29:27,510 And I'd hate to be the person who shot himself in the foot and ended it. 600 00:29:27,648 --> 00:29:30,380 I don't wanna leave that legacy. I'd like to keep it going. 601 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,629 But I'd like to add to it. I'd like to have new things. 602 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,134 What do you worry about? 603 00:29:35,264 --> 00:29:36,638 Shooting myself in the foot. 604 00:29:43,808 --> 00:29:48,565 Disney's net profits tripled since 1983 and the stock price is up five-fold. 605 00:29:48,704 --> 00:29:51,895 Disney people are proud to call themselves a Mickey Mouse operation. 606 00:29:51,967 --> 00:29:54,060 According to most analysts, the magic returned 607 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,620 with the appointment of Frank Wells as president of the company 608 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,117 and Michael Eisner as chairman. 609 00:29:58,176 --> 00:30:00,780 Under Eisner and Wells, the new Touchstone Movie Division 610 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,458 became a production powerhouse, 611 00:30:02,592 --> 00:30:05,309 turning out such hits as Down and Out in Beverly Hills, 612 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,229 Ruthless People, The Color of Money, 613 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,978 and what amounts to a farm club for feature filmmakers, 614 00:30:10,111 --> 00:30:11,573 The Disney Sunday Movie. 615 00:30:11,712 --> 00:30:14,462 1987 is off to a promising start with the addition 616 00:30:14,592 --> 00:30:16,829 of the Michael Jackson attraction, Captain EO, 617 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,440 and the DisneylGeorge Lucas collaborative adventure, Star Tours. 618 00:30:20,576 --> 00:30:23,500 The live-action movies, the parks, the merchandise were all on fire, 619 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,764 but Animation, 620 00:30:24,896 --> 00:30:27,547 well, we still seemed like a stepchild. 621 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,804 And I gotta say, I was very nervous about where we were heading, 622 00:30:31,935 --> 00:30:33,845 where was the future of Disney going. 623 00:30:33,984 --> 00:30:38,621 It seemed to be being driven by a maniac at the wheel, 624 00:30:39,296 --> 00:30:44,184 in terms of Jeffrey, with his heavy foot on the accelerator, 625 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,222 driving full speed in a very crowded city. 626 00:30:49,728 --> 00:30:51,353 - Action. - Aaaggh! 627 00:30:51,487 --> 00:30:54,060 An old development project called Who Framed Roger Rabbit 628 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,375 shifted into hyper-drive when Steven Spielberg became interested. 629 00:30:57,503 --> 00:31:00,089 You know, I have been influenced profoundly 630 00:31:00,224 --> 00:31:01,785 by the films of Walt Disney, 631 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,913 especially the films from the '30s, '40s and right through the '50s. 632 00:31:06,048 --> 00:31:11,198 And I really feel that this is a movie that we're making for Walt. 633 00:31:11,647 --> 00:31:13,687 Back to the Future director Robert Zemeckis 634 00:31:13,823 --> 00:31:15,612 was signed to direct Roger Rabbit. 635 00:31:15,743 --> 00:31:18,220 Bob and Steven made up the creative team on the film, 636 00:31:18,304 --> 00:31:20,279 while Jeffrey watched the purse strings. 637 00:31:20,416 --> 00:31:26,232 We always wanted the Disney technique, the beautiful Disney animation, 638 00:31:26,911 --> 00:31:30,556 the great Warner Bros. characterization. 639 00:31:30,688 --> 00:31:31,888 Yes? 640 00:31:31,968 --> 00:31:34,357 And Tex Avery humor. 641 00:31:34,687 --> 00:31:37,022 You know, dynamite-down-your-pants type stuff. 642 00:31:37,152 --> 00:31:39,948 And the rabbit's like... Doesn't wanna go back in and Hoskins... 643 00:31:39,968 --> 00:31:41,561 It was a trifecta of elements 644 00:31:41,696 --> 00:31:44,652 that Bob knew he couldn't get from the Disney Animation Department, 645 00:31:44,672 --> 00:31:46,668 so he turned to animation veteran Richard Williams 646 00:31:46,688 --> 00:31:48,165 to animate the movie in London, 647 00:31:48,288 --> 00:31:51,583 and Peter sent me to London to ride herd on the animation. 648 00:31:51,871 --> 00:31:54,588 It was a real stomach punch for the guys back in Burbank, 649 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,681 but the truth was nobody really thought much of Disney Animation back then. 650 00:31:58,912 --> 00:32:01,532 The combination of Spielberg, Zemeckis and Dick Williams 651 00:32:01,632 --> 00:32:02,679 was like a talent magnet 652 00:32:02,816 --> 00:32:06,591 and animators from all over the world just flocked to the project. 653 00:32:07,296 --> 00:32:09,773 So now there was a unit in Burbank and one in London. 654 00:32:09,824 --> 00:32:13,053 And Peter would travel back and forth to rattle everybody's cage. 655 00:32:13,184 --> 00:32:14,199 When he was in London, 656 00:32:14,336 --> 00:32:17,324 he'd say how great the guys in Burbank were doing on The Little Mermaid. 657 00:32:17,344 --> 00:32:18,358 Then back in Burbank, 658 00:32:18,495 --> 00:32:21,036 he'd brag about how great the guys on Roger Rabbit were doing. 659 00:32:21,056 --> 00:32:23,020 Nobody had attempted a movie like this before, 660 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,327 and the budget just soared. 661 00:32:24,352 --> 00:32:27,167 It got so heated that Jeffrey summoned us all to New York 662 00:32:27,296 --> 00:32:30,535 to tell us that we did not have one more dime to spend on this movie. 663 00:32:30,592 --> 00:32:32,152 No more money. 664 00:32:32,287 --> 00:32:36,076 Then we all took limos, helicopters to the airport to fly Concorde back to London. 665 00:32:36,096 --> 00:32:38,635 He spent all this money on a meeting to tell us we had no money. 666 00:32:38,655 --> 00:32:40,704 Animation... It was a very Hollywood moment. 667 00:32:41,344 --> 00:32:44,440 Back home, Jeffrey was getting beat up by Michael about the costs. 668 00:32:44,512 --> 00:32:47,417 We just had to put a financial box around all this creativity. 669 00:32:47,808 --> 00:32:50,796 And without that, the end result would have been complete chaos. 670 00:32:50,816 --> 00:32:53,533 It created a tremendous amount of friction 671 00:32:53,663 --> 00:32:56,697 and difficulty between Michael and I, 672 00:32:56,832 --> 00:32:59,180 not because he didn't believe in the movie. He did. 673 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,102 Financially it just became so expensive. 674 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,404 And Michael, who is fundamentally conservative, 675 00:33:05,535 --> 00:33:07,957 just got very, very uncomfortable with it. 676 00:33:08,096 --> 00:33:10,747 Cut. Let's do it again. 677 00:33:13,471 --> 00:33:16,505 And I was unable to control it. 678 00:33:19,392 --> 00:33:21,548 Who Framed Roger Rabbit is one of those home runs 679 00:33:21,568 --> 00:33:23,244 that Hollywood hits every once in a while. 680 00:33:23,264 --> 00:33:27,869 It's a movie like 2001 or Close Encounters or especially like E. T. 681 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,334 that's a technical breakthrough and a lot of fun both at the same time. 682 00:33:31,392 --> 00:33:32,651 Roger Rabbit made headlines 683 00:33:32,671 --> 00:33:36,763 and won Oscars for technical innovation and returned just millions to the studio. 684 00:33:36,896 --> 00:33:39,277 The top talent on Roger was shipped back to Burbank 685 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,142 and put to work on Oliver and Company and Little Mermaid. 686 00:33:42,271 --> 00:33:44,972 It was like an injection of fresh, young, international talent 687 00:33:44,992 --> 00:33:47,807 that would pay dividends for years to come. 688 00:33:47,936 --> 00:33:49,675 Six months later, Oliver and Company opened 689 00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:52,827 on the same day as Spielberg's Land Before Time. 690 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,160 Come on. Let's eat him! 691 00:33:54,208 --> 00:33:56,629 Well, by the end of the three or four months, 692 00:33:56,767 --> 00:33:59,102 we'd made 55, 56, 54. 693 00:33:59,776 --> 00:34:02,143 And we beat Land Before Time and it was like... 694 00:34:02,272 --> 00:34:05,568 I think a lot of people were like, "Hey, there's something... 695 00:34:05,696 --> 00:34:07,190 There's something here." 696 00:34:07,456 --> 00:34:10,981 The chaos that Roy ushered in when he hired Michael was starting to pay off 697 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,164 and suddenly everybody was happy to be associated with Toontown. 698 00:34:21,088 --> 00:34:23,990 This is the first fairy tale that Disney has done 699 00:34:24,128 --> 00:34:28,700 Take two. in the last 30 years, three decades. 700 00:34:28,832 --> 00:34:31,287 Why was Mermaid chosen? 701 00:34:31,968 --> 00:34:35,994 Well, I mean, it was chosen because we all went to a lunch 702 00:34:36,127 --> 00:34:39,127 about three or four years ago and all of us... 703 00:34:39,263 --> 00:34:41,163 It was sort of a development-type thing. 704 00:34:41,183 --> 00:34:43,564 And we were supposed to come in with our three ideas. 705 00:34:43,584 --> 00:34:46,828 I don't know if you can use any of this, but this is sort of more the truth than, 706 00:34:46,848 --> 00:34:48,848 you know, what we may wind up saying later. 707 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,702 And basically they wanted to draw on different ideas. 708 00:34:52,832 --> 00:34:55,996 And one of the ideas that Ron brought in was The Little Mermaid. 709 00:34:56,128 --> 00:34:57,843 He had... That was one of his three. 710 00:34:57,952 --> 00:34:59,244 Jeffrey's friend David Geffen 711 00:34:59,264 --> 00:35:02,745 called him about a songwriting team, Howard Ashman and Alan Menken, 712 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,119 that he'd worked with on the off-Broadway hit Little Shop of Horrors. 713 00:35:06,208 --> 00:35:09,161 Peter had worked with them on the same show as company manager, 714 00:35:09,248 --> 00:35:11,931 so he brought them in to work on The Little Mermaid. 715 00:35:12,064 --> 00:35:14,493 Howard was just coming off a terrible disappointment 716 00:35:14,592 --> 00:35:17,341 when his musical Smile crashed and burned on Broadway. 717 00:35:17,472 --> 00:35:19,512 He came to Los Angeles to start over again. 718 00:35:19,648 --> 00:35:22,988 Howard wasn't exactly the first guy who sprang to mind when you said Disney. 719 00:35:23,008 --> 00:35:25,151 He was born into a Jewish family in Baltimore, 720 00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:28,396 where he grew up on-stage in the local Children's Theater Association. 721 00:35:28,416 --> 00:35:32,158 He was gay, edgy, and loved musicals, especially Peter Pan. 722 00:35:32,288 --> 00:35:35,604 When I was approached with an opportunity 723 00:35:35,744 --> 00:35:39,672 to work for Disney, period, I leapt at the... 724 00:35:39,808 --> 00:35:42,828 I said,"What about Animation? What about working in that department?" 725 00:35:42,848 --> 00:35:44,748 That was what I really wanted to do here, 726 00:35:44,768 --> 00:35:47,834 much, much more than anything, really, in live-action. 727 00:35:47,968 --> 00:35:49,836 Because I'm really a musical-theater person 728 00:35:49,856 --> 00:35:53,882 and I do see a very, very strong connection between these two media. 729 00:35:54,016 --> 00:35:56,332 We had this character in the original treatment, the script. 730 00:35:56,352 --> 00:36:00,029 It was a crab character that was kind of... Would be... 731 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,916 Sort of look after the mermaid 732 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,236 and try to keep her out of trouble and watch over her. 733 00:36:04,256 --> 00:36:05,484 He was kind of a crusty, old, 734 00:36:05,504 --> 00:36:07,563 crotchety character The king's right-hand guy 735 00:36:07,583 --> 00:36:10,604 who worked for the king and was like the conductor in the undersea world. 736 00:36:10,624 --> 00:36:12,696 Howard said, "Why not make him Jamaican?" 737 00:36:12,832 --> 00:36:15,385 And our first reaction was, "Jamaican?" 738 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,867 I mean, it was like a total twist on what we were thinking. 739 00:36:17,887 --> 00:36:21,881 He rounds up all of these fish and all of this stuff 740 00:36:22,016 --> 00:36:25,311 to convince Ariel not to try to become human. 741 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,084 And they more or less put on a show for her 742 00:36:29,216 --> 00:36:31,866 by playing all these instruments and themselves. 743 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,942 Okay, we hear it start. 744 00:36:35,648 --> 00:36:37,228 He starts establishing the rhythm. 745 00:36:37,248 --> 00:36:42,779 The clams pick it up, and oysters, and he's beating on lobsters, whatever. 746 00:36:44,063 --> 00:36:45,078 It's all percussive 747 00:36:45,216 --> 00:36:48,445 and it's all the undersea world making the percussion. 748 00:36:55,104 --> 00:36:56,676 There was electricity in the air. 749 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,467 I mean, there was real genius at work and people knew it. 750 00:37:12,576 --> 00:37:14,380 Howard, in a salesmanship way, I think, 751 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,924 trying to treat it sort of a little more off-the-cuff, 752 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,267 but I think he had written all the songs five minutes after he got the treatment, 753 00:37:20,287 --> 00:37:22,220 but said, "Now, here, say you had a song, 754 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,852 say it was called 'Part of Your World.' 755 00:37:23,872 --> 00:37:26,508 It could be anything, but say it was called 'Part of Your World'." 756 00:37:26,528 --> 00:37:29,343 And then he had a... And Alan... 757 00:37:29,472 --> 00:37:33,433 We were in Howard's apartment in Greenwich Village and it was... 758 00:37:33,568 --> 00:37:35,673 Alan came over and played it on the piano. 759 00:37:35,808 --> 00:37:39,386 And Howard sang it right there and it sounded great. 760 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,979 So really try to work with just the intensity. 761 00:37:54,112 --> 00:37:57,854 It's like it's about all that emotion and then not letting it all out. 762 00:37:57,983 --> 00:38:00,951 Not letting it out. Not letting it out, but having it here. 763 00:38:03,968 --> 00:38:06,270 That stuff. Really, it's... 764 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,789 Am I still a little too loud? You're great. 765 00:38:08,928 --> 00:38:10,348 Better that time? You're great. 766 00:38:10,368 --> 00:38:12,559 But you're right, it gets a little bright here. 767 00:38:16,064 --> 00:38:18,236 The intensity is better than... 768 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,028 Is better than noise. Than Ethel Merman, right. 769 00:38:22,048 --> 00:38:24,716 But you're not doing Ethel Merman. It's inner intensity, though. 770 00:38:24,736 --> 00:38:27,485 In almost every musical ever written, 771 00:38:27,616 --> 00:38:30,028 there's a place, it's usually the third song of the evening. 772 00:38:30,048 --> 00:38:33,356 Sometimes it's the second, sometimes it's the fourth, but it's quite early. 773 00:38:33,376 --> 00:38:35,805 And the leading lady usually sits down on something, 774 00:38:35,872 --> 00:38:37,977 sometimes it's a tree stump in Brigadoon, 775 00:38:38,112 --> 00:38:42,302 sometimes it's under the pillars of Covent Garden in My Fair Lady, 776 00:38:42,432 --> 00:38:44,460 or it's a trash can in Little Shop of Horrors. 777 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,412 But the leading lady sits down on something 778 00:38:46,432 --> 00:38:48,799 and sings about what she wants in life 779 00:38:48,928 --> 00:38:50,786 and the audience falls in love with her 780 00:38:50,912 --> 00:38:53,727 and then roots for her to get it for the rest of the night. 781 00:38:59,616 --> 00:39:02,551 I heard "Part of Your World," Jodi Benson singing that, 782 00:39:02,688 --> 00:39:07,161 and it just captivated me. I thought, "l have to do that." 783 00:39:07,296 --> 00:39:10,296 And I went and told those guys, "I really wanna do Ariel." 784 00:39:10,432 --> 00:39:12,254 And they said,"Whoa, I don't know. 785 00:39:12,384 --> 00:39:14,956 This is supposed to be a pretty girl. Can you do that?" 786 00:39:14,976 --> 00:39:18,391 I said,"Look, I have to do Ariel. 787 00:39:18,528 --> 00:39:21,245 I can feel it in my heart." 788 00:39:22,016 --> 00:39:24,733 We were previewing for schoolkids. 789 00:39:24,864 --> 00:39:27,384 And so the kids... 790 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,349 During that screening, a lot of the movie was in black and white. 791 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,412 Certainly "Part of Your World," a lot of it was in story sketches. 792 00:39:34,432 --> 00:39:36,472 And the movie comes up on its feet 793 00:39:36,607 --> 00:39:38,942 and we get to "Part of Your World" 794 00:39:39,072 --> 00:39:40,894 and it's just not connecting. 795 00:39:41,024 --> 00:39:42,224 The audience is restless. 796 00:39:42,336 --> 00:39:44,875 I came out of that and just said, "Don't think this is working." 797 00:39:44,895 --> 00:39:48,441 So Jeffrey was bound and determined to cut "Part of Your World." 798 00:39:48,576 --> 00:39:50,845 It was just like, "Guys, face reality, you know. 799 00:39:50,976 --> 00:39:53,388 It's not working, it's not there. We gotta do something." 800 00:39:53,408 --> 00:39:55,500 And we pleaded our case. He wouldn't listen to us. 801 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,861 Howard pleaded his case. 802 00:39:56,992 --> 00:40:00,058 Howard Ashman said, "Over my dead body. I'll strangle you." 803 00:40:00,192 --> 00:40:03,094 But finally Glen Keane went to Jeffrey and said, 804 00:40:03,232 --> 00:40:05,174 "Jeffrey, you cannot cut this. 805 00:40:05,311 --> 00:40:07,116 You're crazy. This is the heart of the movie. 806 00:40:07,136 --> 00:40:08,477 It's her whole dream. 807 00:40:08,608 --> 00:40:12,107 And to cut that will really gut our emotional involvement with our heroine." 808 00:40:12,127 --> 00:40:14,997 He persuaded me that the issue wasn't the song, 809 00:40:15,136 --> 00:40:18,475 but other things that were not firing up yet in the sort of rhythm of the movie. 810 00:40:18,495 --> 00:40:21,355 And ultimately he was right. Not only did it stay in the movie, 811 00:40:21,375 --> 00:40:24,343 but it's one of the more memorable moments in the movie. 812 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,382 The sparkle is coming back to Sleeping Beauty's castle. 813 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,868 Over the last five years, the Disney Animation Department 814 00:40:29,888 --> 00:40:34,078 has grown from a low of 150 artists to its current level of nearly 550, 815 00:40:34,207 --> 00:40:36,149 doing animation the old-fashioned way, 816 00:40:36,288 --> 00:40:40,084 from character sketch, to pencil test, to ink and paint, to the screen. 817 00:40:40,223 --> 00:40:42,525 What The Little Mermaid represents, I hope, 818 00:40:42,656 --> 00:40:47,707 is kind of a renaissance period for the artists themselves. 819 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,880 Jeffrey started discovering Animation 820 00:40:50,016 --> 00:40:52,524 as a place where he could be artistic, a powerhouse in the editing room, 821 00:40:52,544 --> 00:40:54,603 and where he could be the frontman to the press. 822 00:40:54,623 --> 00:40:56,972 I think he realized something very important to his future. 823 00:40:56,992 --> 00:41:01,946 "I'm good at this. This is fun, it's mine and it doesn't include Michael." 824 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,203 The press on Little Mermaid was just spectacular. 825 00:41:04,223 --> 00:41:07,276 And the box office, well, was even better than Oliver and Company. 826 00:41:07,296 --> 00:41:10,231 And there were loads of toys, books, puzzles and lunch boxes 827 00:41:10,368 --> 00:41:11,961 that just flew off the shelves. 828 00:41:12,096 --> 00:41:14,201 Animation had a big hit on its hands. 829 00:41:15,008 --> 00:41:17,147 Jeffrey and Michael started focusing on, 830 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,509 "Oh, if we have more titles, it'll be better financially." 831 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,201 And I always fought for, 832 00:41:22,336 --> 00:41:25,612 "Can you take some of those resources and put them back into the business?" 833 00:41:25,632 --> 00:41:27,225 Which was where CAPS came from, 834 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,142 CAPS being the Computer Animation Postproduction System. 835 00:41:30,272 --> 00:41:33,292 One of the technology guys, Lem Davis, thought we could use computers 836 00:41:33,312 --> 00:41:37,949 to paint the characters in our films and digitally assemble all the artwork. 837 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,131 That gives us not only the opportunity to do some really good art, 838 00:41:43,264 --> 00:41:46,187 but it also gives us the opportunity to really begin to explore 839 00:41:46,207 --> 00:41:49,306 what these computers and graphics things can do for us 840 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,077 in kind of shorter pieces where we can get really a little crazy. 841 00:41:54,208 --> 00:41:56,908 And I'm looking forward to all of us getting a little crazy. 842 00:41:56,928 --> 00:42:00,091 Roy went to Frank Wells with a proposal to spend $10 million 843 00:42:00,224 --> 00:42:02,613 on a computer system that might not return a dime, 844 00:42:02,752 --> 00:42:05,021 but would revolutionize the look of our films. 845 00:42:05,344 --> 00:42:08,396 So I just walked down the hall and stood there in Frank's doorway. 846 00:42:08,416 --> 00:42:10,476 Frank looks up and says, "What are you doing here?" 847 00:42:10,496 --> 00:42:13,639 And I said,"I'm just here to make sure you sign that check, Frank." 848 00:42:14,016 --> 00:42:16,317 Frank's check was handed to Alvy Ray Smith, 849 00:42:16,448 --> 00:42:18,380 the co-founder of a small computer-graphics firm 850 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,353 that experimented with character animation 851 00:42:20,384 --> 00:42:23,733 and made Listerine commercials on the side to make ends meet. 852 00:42:24,224 --> 00:42:27,126 It was called Pixar. 853 00:42:28,032 --> 00:42:31,348 The CAPS computer was thrown into production on Rescuers Down Under. 854 00:42:31,488 --> 00:42:32,869 It was unchartered territory. 855 00:42:32,895 --> 00:42:36,332 The crew from Disney and Pixar worked around the clock, sleeping on pallets, 856 00:42:36,352 --> 00:42:38,924 nursing those computers with duct tape and chewing gum, 857 00:42:39,007 --> 00:42:41,495 and the deadlines and quotas never stopped. 858 00:42:41,632 --> 00:42:45,429 No, you don't want to hear my thoughts. You don't want to hear my thoughts. 859 00:42:45,568 --> 00:42:48,568 What I remember most of that period was feeling so brokenhearted 860 00:42:48,672 --> 00:42:52,927 that we had attempted to make a feature film using the CAPS system 861 00:42:53,055 --> 00:42:54,892 before anyone had even made a short with it. 862 00:42:54,912 --> 00:42:56,908 We had never tested the system before we committed 863 00:42:56,928 --> 00:42:58,651 to a release date to make a movie. 864 00:42:58,784 --> 00:43:00,213 And it's 3:00 in the morning. 865 00:43:00,352 --> 00:43:03,352 Peter Schneider walks in and looks over at me and goes, 866 00:43:03,488 --> 00:43:06,303 "Well, is it working yet? Is it working yet?" Ha-ha-ha. 867 00:43:06,432 --> 00:43:09,182 And it's like, "Oh, I don't need this pressure." 868 00:43:09,312 --> 00:43:11,116 My first film, Rescuers Down Under, came out. 869 00:43:11,136 --> 00:43:14,846 Phone rings at like 8 in the morning. "Mike?""Yeah.""Jeffrey." 870 00:43:14,976 --> 00:43:16,940 "Yeah. So, what's going on? What's the numbers?" 871 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,348 He said, "Made 5 million. It's over." 872 00:43:19,488 --> 00:43:20,731 "Well, excuse me, what?" 873 00:43:20,864 --> 00:43:22,457 "It's over. Forget it. Move on." 874 00:43:22,592 --> 00:43:24,479 Jeffrey pulled all the TV advertising. 875 00:43:24,608 --> 00:43:29,277 And I said,"Jeffrey, I just can't believe that. You've pulled it? 876 00:43:29,408 --> 00:43:30,980 There's no advertising, nothing?" 877 00:43:31,072 --> 00:43:34,421 And he said,"Tom, the movie just doesn't work. It's over." 878 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,243 And I started to cry on the telephone. 879 00:43:37,376 --> 00:43:40,093 And then he said,"lt's okay. 880 00:43:40,224 --> 00:43:43,006 We're gonna move forward and we'll do something else. 881 00:43:43,136 --> 00:43:44,336 Are you okay?" 882 00:43:44,384 --> 00:43:47,613 I said,"I'm all right." He goes, "Okay, we'll start again tomorrow." 883 00:43:47,744 --> 00:43:49,036 And then he hung up the phone. 884 00:43:49,056 --> 00:43:52,634 Rescuers was the very first digital movie produced in Hollywood. 885 00:43:52,768 --> 00:43:55,864 And without it we would never have achieved what would come later. 886 00:44:00,544 --> 00:44:01,932 Beauty and the Beast was up next 887 00:44:01,952 --> 00:44:05,247 and the budget and schedule were cut way, way back. 888 00:44:05,376 --> 00:44:09,500 We asked Richard Williams to direct the film, but Williams declined 889 00:44:09,632 --> 00:44:12,966 and recommended one of his proteges, Richard Purdum, to direct instead. 890 00:44:13,087 --> 00:44:16,797 Purdum was a very successful commercial director based in the U.K. 891 00:44:16,927 --> 00:44:18,642 - Yeah. - And then the horse rises up 892 00:44:18,688 --> 00:44:19,997 right underneath him. Yeah. 893 00:44:20,128 --> 00:44:22,648 Now he's riding on the rear end of the horse, 894 00:44:22,784 --> 00:44:24,261 hanging on to the horse's tail, 895 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,735 and one of the wolves grabs up right onto the tail, yanks the horse, 896 00:44:27,872 --> 00:44:29,900 and the horse rears up and throws the guy off 897 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,018 and the guy lands on the back of the wolf, riding on the wolf. 898 00:44:33,151 --> 00:44:36,363 It was my first job as producer and I wanted to get everything just right. 899 00:44:36,383 --> 00:44:39,166 So I recruited a commando story team of Disney artists 900 00:44:39,296 --> 00:44:43,322 and we moved to London to set to work on a non-musical version of the story. 901 00:44:43,455 --> 00:44:46,456 After about six months, we took the first 20 minutes of the film 902 00:44:46,528 --> 00:44:47,739 to screen for Jeffrey. 903 00:44:47,872 --> 00:44:49,977 Has my niece given you an answer? 904 00:44:50,112 --> 00:44:55,098 Um, not yet. I think she's playing the coquette with me. 905 00:44:55,231 --> 00:44:56,606 Forgive her. 906 00:44:56,736 --> 00:44:59,180 It wasn't perfect, but what was the worst that could happen? 907 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,508 They weren't gonna scrap it and start over again. That would be just insane. 908 00:45:02,528 --> 00:45:05,627 It didn't work at all for us, so we literally scrapped it, 909 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,428 the first 20 minutes of the movie, and started all over again. 910 00:45:08,448 --> 00:45:11,340 Richard Purdum worked for a few more months on Beauty and the Beast, 911 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,860 and when it became clear that we would never make his version of the movie, 912 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,960 he resigned. 913 00:45:16,095 --> 00:45:19,357 I recruited two young story artists to be the acting directors 914 00:45:19,488 --> 00:45:22,380 and moved the entire project back to the warehouses in Burbank. 915 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,448 The spotlight kind of turned on me and Gary, 916 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,869 which struck us as incredibly odd, because... 917 00:45:27,007 --> 00:45:29,836 The spotlight turned on us like when you turn on the kitchen light 918 00:45:29,856 --> 00:45:32,428 and the roaches are on the floor. We were like, "What?" 919 00:45:33,983 --> 00:45:36,044 We didn't get away in time and they caught us. 920 00:45:36,064 --> 00:45:39,511 So we were made kind of the acting directors of Beauty and the Beast, 921 00:45:39,648 --> 00:45:41,696 which meant... We had to act like directors. 922 00:45:42,048 --> 00:45:45,790 Meanwhile, back in California, Jeffrey threw his annual beach party. 923 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,400 And there was Tom Cruise and Bette Midler and Robin Williams, 924 00:45:49,536 --> 00:45:52,057 all on the beach at Jeffrey's house. 925 00:45:52,192 --> 00:45:54,060 And I remember being there with Howard Ashman, 926 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,895 because after Little Mermaid, Howard asked to go work 927 00:45:57,023 --> 00:45:59,820 on this other thing he was desperate to do for Disney called Aladdin, 928 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,708 at exactly the same time Beauty and the Beast 929 00:46:01,728 --> 00:46:03,371 was sort of falling apart in London. 930 00:46:03,391 --> 00:46:06,075 Jeffrey buttonholed Howard, as only he can, 931 00:46:06,208 --> 00:46:09,036 and convinced Howard to write the songs for Beauty and the Beast 932 00:46:09,056 --> 00:46:10,988 even though Howard didn't really want to. 933 00:46:11,008 --> 00:46:13,048 Well, we got a phone call from our boss. 934 00:46:13,184 --> 00:46:17,276 "We want you to meet with Howard and Alan and the whole creative team 935 00:46:17,408 --> 00:46:20,588 and Beauty and the Beast is gonna become a musical." We couldn't believe it. 936 00:46:20,608 --> 00:46:24,831 So we ended up setting up shop at the Residence Inn, upstate New York, 937 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,380 in Howard's neck of the woods. 938 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,100 And we started hashing stuff out and throwing around ideas. 939 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,186 Initially it was very, very collegial. It was very upbeat. 940 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,400 We were having a lot of fun. 941 00:46:33,536 --> 00:46:35,500 But one of the things that was a sticking point, 942 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,586 something that we didn't agree on, was how to open the movie. 943 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,629 And Howard felt very passionately 944 00:46:40,768 --> 00:46:43,116 that the movie should open with a fully animated prologue 945 00:46:43,136 --> 00:46:47,326 that showed the Beast in his prince form, except he would be a little boy. 946 00:46:47,456 --> 00:46:49,594 He'd be a naughty little boy. 947 00:46:49,728 --> 00:46:53,918 And to Gary and I, we could not get past this Eddie Munster image, 948 00:46:54,048 --> 00:46:58,969 you know, of this hairy little kid in Little Lord Fauntleroy pants. 949 00:46:59,104 --> 00:47:02,748 To Howard, it seemed incredibly moving and tragic. 950 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,374 He was also very opinionated 951 00:47:04,512 --> 00:47:07,196 and very articulate and very intimidating. 952 00:47:07,328 --> 00:47:11,289 And so we were scared of him. It's like, "Okay, we gotta do this." 953 00:47:11,424 --> 00:47:15,647 And so, you know, like the stupid, naive, 26-year-old kid that I was, 954 00:47:15,776 --> 00:47:17,532 I opened the meeting with, 955 00:47:17,663 --> 00:47:22,715 "We think that the little Beast boy is kind of a cheap shot." 956 00:47:23,136 --> 00:47:27,543 And I think the word "cheap" really set Howard off. 957 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,347 And his mouth was a very tight line 958 00:47:29,472 --> 00:47:31,148 and his eyes were getting kind of bigger. 959 00:47:31,168 --> 00:47:33,502 I just saw the clouds darken. 960 00:47:33,631 --> 00:47:35,541 I just saw his face darken. 961 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,536 And he just ripped into us like I've never been ripped into before. 962 00:47:40,672 --> 00:47:44,217 And no one leapt to my defense, may I just add. 963 00:47:45,503 --> 00:47:47,358 Thank you very much. 964 00:47:47,488 --> 00:47:49,462 And the Oscar goes to: 965 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,884 Alan Menken, Howard Ashman 966 00:47:54,016 --> 00:47:56,471 for "Under the Sea" from The Little Mermaid. 967 00:47:56,608 --> 00:48:01,180 Oscar night, we won at least three Oscars between the two of us. 968 00:48:01,312 --> 00:48:04,312 He said,"When we get back to New York, we really have to talk." 969 00:48:04,447 --> 00:48:06,251 And so that was, what, a Monday night. 970 00:48:06,271 --> 00:48:08,792 I think he was back by Thursday morning. 971 00:48:08,928 --> 00:48:10,815 I came in and he just told me. 972 00:48:10,944 --> 00:48:14,588 I said, you know,"What is it?" And he said,"Well, I guess you know." 973 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,720 I didn't, or I didn't let myself. He said,"l guess you know. 974 00:48:18,592 --> 00:48:20,381 I'm HlV-positive." 975 00:48:20,512 --> 00:48:23,480 I think, or he maybe said, "I'm sick," or something. 976 00:48:23,936 --> 00:48:26,619 And I... It was not what I wanted to hear. 977 00:48:31,872 --> 00:48:35,069 It seems like something falls out a little bit there. 978 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,534 On, "sing you off to sleep"? 979 00:48:36,608 --> 00:48:38,561 - Or should I have been up on that? - Yes. 980 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:40,880 You're very strong. 981 00:48:44,063 --> 00:48:46,103 Something needs to take off there... 982 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,716 Well, I know David had felt that it had to build back in. 983 00:48:48,736 --> 00:48:50,403 I mean, I remember you saying that. 984 00:48:50,431 --> 00:48:53,301 That you didn't feel you should jump right into tempo. 985 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,545 Right. Do you want it to get faster sooner? 986 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:56,695 You're asking... No. 987 00:48:56,832 --> 00:48:59,261 He's building into it. This is not a tempo question. 988 00:49:00,224 --> 00:49:01,424 David... I know. 989 00:49:01,472 --> 00:49:05,018 The melody, it's neat. It's really pretty. Oh, good, good. 990 00:49:05,152 --> 00:49:07,020 So you don't have to scream to get over it. 991 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,651 Well, we're separate tracks, aren't we? 992 00:49:08,671 --> 00:49:11,052 True. I just if wonder what you're hearing in your cans... 993 00:49:11,072 --> 00:49:14,618 Yeah, I'll play it up and play it down. 994 00:49:14,752 --> 00:49:16,610 We'll see which is better. Great. Great. 995 00:49:16,703 --> 00:49:22,170 And similarly we should get at least one on this build section. 996 00:49:24,832 --> 00:49:26,764 He was an amazing influence on everybody. 997 00:49:26,784 --> 00:49:28,588 And I don't want to compare him to Walt, 998 00:49:28,608 --> 00:49:33,016 but on the other hand, he had that kind of influence on everybody. 999 00:49:34,016 --> 00:49:37,132 Before Beauty and the Beast was finished, we threw a big dog-and-pony show 1000 00:49:37,152 --> 00:49:39,692 for the New York press where we showed some clips from the film 1001 00:49:39,712 --> 00:49:42,330 and Alan sang some of the songs. 1002 00:49:42,688 --> 00:49:46,103 I don't think we could have ever imagined 1003 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:50,975 a more enraptured reception to the movie and the songs. 1004 00:49:51,104 --> 00:49:54,650 And we all were very excited about the idea of sharing this with Howard. 1005 00:49:54,784 --> 00:49:56,857 We wanted him to hear the news. 1006 00:49:56,992 --> 00:50:00,341 And then we all jumped in a cab and we raced downtown 1007 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,007 to St. Vincent's. 1008 00:50:03,328 --> 00:50:04,940 We rushed from the press presentation, 1009 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,276 which, as rough as it was, was a huge success. 1010 00:50:08,736 --> 00:50:11,051 We were high from it and we came into the cold shock 1011 00:50:11,071 --> 00:50:13,821 of Howard dying in a hospital room. 1012 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,588 His mother pulled back the sheets to show us 1013 00:50:16,608 --> 00:50:19,423 the Beauty and the Beast sweatshirt that he was wearing. 1014 00:50:20,224 --> 00:50:25,461 He was 80 pounds, had lost his sight and barely had a whisper of a voice. 1015 00:50:25,856 --> 00:50:29,172 We shared with him what happened that day and how amazing it was. 1016 00:50:29,311 --> 00:50:31,799 And how he was there in every way. 1017 00:50:32,543 --> 00:50:35,959 Then, when it was time to leave, we said our goodbyes. 1018 00:50:36,096 --> 00:50:38,267 Before I left, I bent over and whispered, 1019 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,953 Beauty and the Beast was gonna be a great success. 1020 00:50:41,088 --> 00:50:43,193 "Who'd have thought it?" l said. 1021 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,000 And Howard lit up and whispered, "l would have." 1022 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,485 Gary Kalkin, who was running Publicity at the time, had a brilliant idea, 1023 00:51:19,616 --> 00:51:24,701 a scary idea, a dangerous idea that perhaps an unfinished 1024 00:51:24,832 --> 00:51:28,694 work-in-progress screening of Beauty and the Beast 1025 00:51:28,831 --> 00:51:31,450 could be a part of the New York Film Festival. 1026 00:51:31,584 --> 00:51:35,610 So we actually screened an unfinished version of the film 1027 00:51:35,744 --> 00:51:38,428 and I think we were all on pins and needles. 1028 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,048 We all were sitting there holding our breath, 1029 00:51:41,184 --> 00:51:43,756 because we didn't know what kind of reaction there would be. 1030 00:51:43,776 --> 00:51:46,875 And there was almost... When the movie ended, 1031 00:51:47,008 --> 00:51:51,515 it was almost a pause where you went, "1001, 1002," 1032 00:51:51,648 --> 00:51:55,576 and then all of a sudden the place just erupted. 1033 00:52:02,272 --> 00:52:08,895 I remember just being absolutely slack-jawed, stunned, knocked over, 1034 00:52:09,024 --> 00:52:11,163 goggle-eyed with astonishment. 1035 00:52:11,296 --> 00:52:14,711 They applauded like they were at a live Broadway show. 1036 00:52:14,848 --> 00:52:18,645 And I had never seen anything like that in my life. 1037 00:52:23,392 --> 00:52:25,727 It was an emotional roller coaster back home. 1038 00:52:25,856 --> 00:52:28,396 Beauty and the Beast had thousands of drawings left to go. 1039 00:52:28,416 --> 00:52:30,668 Aladdin was grinding through intense story changes 1040 00:52:30,688 --> 00:52:33,324 that left three of Howard's songs on the cutting-room floor. 1041 00:52:33,344 --> 00:52:37,272 And Tim Rice was brought in to finish up the lyrics on the new songs. 1042 00:52:37,408 --> 00:52:39,340 The work was intense, the hours were long 1043 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,775 and there was only one thing that could stop it all: margaritas. 1044 00:52:49,952 --> 00:52:53,814 I tried very much to put myself into this character. 1045 00:52:54,304 --> 00:52:56,204 It was a way for everybody to decompress 1046 00:52:56,224 --> 00:52:59,540 after the long hours and hideous meetings with Jeffrey. 1047 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,700 By this time, we spent more time with each other than with our families. 1048 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,508 I mean, this was our family. 1049 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,892 So we'd take a long break, have some chips and salsa, 1050 00:53:06,912 --> 00:53:10,156 and with a little cheerleading from Peter, we'd get back on the horse. 1051 00:53:10,176 --> 00:53:14,006 It's great. This crew is the best crew. It's fabulous. 1052 00:53:14,144 --> 00:53:15,668 - Not very sincere, was it? - No. 1053 00:53:19,776 --> 00:53:20,823 Credit was always an issue, 1054 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,051 and it seemed that everyone was either taking credit 1055 00:53:23,071 --> 00:53:25,036 or not getting credit or not giving credit. 1056 00:53:25,056 --> 00:53:28,536 And the people who really deserved the credit were being overlooked. 1057 00:53:28,768 --> 00:53:31,997 You know, maybe I was more sensitive to that in a way 1058 00:53:32,128 --> 00:53:35,957 than others might have been, just because I went through it with Walt 1059 00:53:36,096 --> 00:53:39,195 and a lot of the guys that worked for him 1060 00:53:39,328 --> 00:53:43,103 and watched watch them be outshone by so much 1061 00:53:43,231 --> 00:53:46,647 and not given the kind of credit that they thought they deserved 1062 00:53:46,784 --> 00:53:48,856 and certainly and in fact that they did. 1063 00:53:49,152 --> 00:53:51,869 It is easy to get out there on the stage of life 1064 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,717 and have people shining flashlights at you, 1065 00:53:54,847 --> 00:53:57,630 and you're going,"Wow, yeah, I'm pretty good, aren't I?" 1066 00:53:58,048 --> 00:53:59,062 And, action. 1067 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,396 Hi, I'm Jeffrey Katzenberg, chairman of the Walt Disney Studios. 1068 00:54:02,527 --> 00:54:05,397 At Disney, when we set out to make an animated feature, 1069 00:54:05,536 --> 00:54:08,503 the first thing we look for is a very special story 1070 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,396 and unforgettable characters. 1071 00:54:10,528 --> 00:54:12,764 And that's just what Beauty and the Beast is, 1072 00:54:12,896 --> 00:54:15,863 a great story with unforgettable characters. 1073 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,015 Cut. 1074 00:54:17,152 --> 00:54:19,596 I didn't care about credit. I didn't care about any of that. 1075 00:54:19,616 --> 00:54:23,194 I had plenty of my own adulation from places I didn't even want it. 1076 00:54:23,328 --> 00:54:24,948 The more Jeffrey promoted himself, 1077 00:54:25,056 --> 00:54:29,595 as long as he promoted himself around an animated movie, I let it happen. 1078 00:54:29,728 --> 00:54:30,775 Roy went nuts. 1079 00:54:30,912 --> 00:54:33,530 Hello, my name is Roy Disney 1080 00:54:33,664 --> 00:54:36,446 and it's my pleasure to introduce the home-video debut 1081 00:54:36,576 --> 00:54:40,122 of one of the greatest triumphs of my uncle Walt's filmmaking career: 1082 00:54:40,256 --> 00:54:42,296 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. 1083 00:54:42,528 --> 00:54:45,561 There's always been that question, ever since Walt died: 1084 00:54:45,696 --> 00:54:47,354 Who's the next Walt Disney? 1085 00:54:47,488 --> 00:54:51,198 The media demands a central charismatic figure. 1086 00:54:51,328 --> 00:54:53,783 And we demand it to sell our product. 1087 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,684 Hello, I'm Michael Eisner, chairman of The Walt Disney Company. 1088 00:54:56,704 --> 00:54:59,038 All of us here at Disney hope you enjoyed the tour 1089 00:54:59,071 --> 00:55:00,428 and that it gave you new insight 1090 00:55:00,448 --> 00:55:02,891 into the magic of motion-picture and television production. 1091 00:55:02,911 --> 00:55:04,780 We hope you come back and see us real soon. 1092 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,255 Whoa, whoa, what is now going on in the studio? 1093 00:55:08,544 --> 00:55:11,195 Frank, of all of us, was the most selfless, 1094 00:55:11,328 --> 00:55:15,518 and so he was able to navigate a course 1095 00:55:15,648 --> 00:55:20,219 between strong and growing personalities and egos. 1096 00:55:20,352 --> 00:55:24,181 And I always found Frank the peacemaker, you know, 1097 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,230 that he was like a marriage counselor. 1098 00:55:26,368 --> 00:55:29,117 He was very much of a mediator. 1099 00:55:29,248 --> 00:55:32,314 He was the person you ran to when you had problems. 1100 00:55:32,448 --> 00:55:34,956 Interesting thing about Frank, he carried in his wallet 1101 00:55:34,976 --> 00:55:38,751 a piece of paper that said, "Humility is the ultimate virtue." 1102 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,405 You get it from the top and you get it from the bottom 1103 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,862 and are often left floating somewhere in the middle 1104 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,902 trying to establish a sense of direction and purpose. 1105 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,593 It was a delicate balancing act that began to wobble 1106 00:55:49,728 --> 00:55:52,411 on the night of the Beauty and the Beast premiere. 1107 00:55:52,704 --> 00:55:55,159 But I am delighted to be the first, 1108 00:55:55,296 --> 00:55:58,711 because I am so enormously proud of all of you 1109 00:55:58,848 --> 00:56:02,459 and what you pulled off, not just Beauty and the Beast, 1110 00:56:02,592 --> 00:56:04,926 but over the last seven years. 1111 00:56:05,055 --> 00:56:08,798 It is absolutely a fabulous change 1112 00:56:08,928 --> 00:56:12,474 from 200 frightened people, seven years ago, 1113 00:56:12,608 --> 00:56:14,700 wondering if they were gonna have a job tomorrow. 1114 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:16,280 At the cast-and-crew screening, 1115 00:56:16,416 --> 00:56:18,475 there's tradition of everybody getting up and speaking 1116 00:56:18,495 --> 00:56:20,163 and saying how great everything is. 1117 00:56:20,288 --> 00:56:25,852 It's now been seven years since I was converted to the faith 1118 00:56:25,984 --> 00:56:28,766 and I've been preaching the gospel of animation ever since. 1119 00:56:30,176 --> 00:56:33,656 Until that night, I don't think I was aware to the extent of the animosity 1120 00:56:33,792 --> 00:56:35,702 between Michael, Roy and Jeffrey. 1121 00:56:35,968 --> 00:56:38,903 Then about 1983, I got a call. 1122 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,593 I was in Middlebury, Vermont, at my son's camp. 1123 00:56:41,728 --> 00:56:44,346 I got a call from Roy Disney, who said, 1124 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,578 "Would you be interested in coming to The Walt Disney Company, 1125 00:56:47,712 --> 00:56:49,474 because I'd like to keep it together. 1126 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,672 It seems that it's gonna be broken apart." 1127 00:56:51,808 --> 00:56:55,637 And I said,"Well, yeah, that sounds like a good idea." 1128 00:56:55,776 --> 00:57:00,566 Yeah, and I was sitting right in the very first row in the corner seat, 1129 00:57:00,704 --> 00:57:03,387 looking up at him, saying, "Announce it, Michael." 1130 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,723 And Michael stood up and said, 1131 00:57:05,856 --> 00:57:09,172 "As part of the reward of this extraordinary growth, 1132 00:57:09,312 --> 00:57:11,068 the amazing things you've all done, 1133 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,153 Frank and I have agreed to build a new Animation Building on the Disney lot." 1134 00:57:16,288 --> 00:57:18,622 It was the first time Jeffrey had ever heard that. 1135 00:57:18,656 --> 00:57:21,972 In the moment, I was enraged by it, because I felt, 1136 00:57:22,111 --> 00:57:24,086 "Wow, what are these guys doing here?" 1137 00:57:24,224 --> 00:57:25,751 It was inappropriate. 1138 00:57:25,888 --> 00:57:28,987 And the subtext to that was much, much deeper 1139 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,277 than just the faux pas of announcing a building, 1140 00:57:33,408 --> 00:57:35,820 you know, without having ever even discussed it with me. 1141 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,964 And it just showed very deep-seated unhappiness 1142 00:57:40,095 --> 00:57:42,746 and competitiveness and ego. 1143 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,221 It was all about respect. 1144 00:57:44,352 --> 00:57:46,252 That night, Jeffrey was looking for the respect 1145 00:57:46,272 --> 00:57:48,107 he thought he'd earned from Roy and Michael, 1146 00:57:48,127 --> 00:57:49,818 and it just wasn't there. 1147 00:57:50,047 --> 00:57:52,940 Lightning has struck twice with Disney's Beauty and the Beast. 1148 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,032 I'm hard-pressed, had to go to the thesaurus 1149 00:57:55,168 --> 00:57:56,940 to find all the applicable adjectives: 1150 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,052 Enchanting, bewitching, captivating, charming... 1151 00:57:59,072 --> 00:58:01,215 Beauty and the Beast opened to huge box office 1152 00:58:01,312 --> 00:58:05,306 and probably the most glowing reviews of any animated feature since Snow White. 1153 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,596 I've seen Beauty and the Beast twice with my children. 1154 00:58:07,616 --> 00:58:10,650 I'm going to be back for more very soon. It's a winner. 1155 00:58:10,784 --> 00:58:12,791 I was amazed how much I enjoyed this movie. 1156 00:58:12,928 --> 00:58:15,432 I had heard reports that it played at the New York Film Festival... 1157 00:58:15,452 --> 00:58:16,844 - Right - ...to a standing ovation, 1158 00:58:16,864 --> 00:58:18,817 ...and I questioned those reports. - I did too. 1159 00:58:18,912 --> 00:58:21,355 I said,"l can't see the New York Film Festival standing up 1160 00:58:21,375 --> 00:58:23,001 and applauding anything." - Yeah. 1161 00:58:23,136 --> 00:58:26,398 Then I saw this movie and I heard it interrupted by applause again. 1162 00:58:27,776 --> 00:58:29,053 And the winner is: 1163 00:58:29,184 --> 00:58:33,112 Before the Oscar nominations came the Golden Globes. 1164 00:58:33,376 --> 00:58:35,067 Beauty and the Beast, 1165 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,648 Walt Disney Pictures, Buena Vista Pictures Distribution. 1166 00:58:39,072 --> 00:58:40,300 When they announced our name, 1167 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,532 I was sitting at what had to have been the furthest table from the stage, 1168 00:58:43,552 --> 00:58:45,919 back with the busboys and the valet-parking guys. 1169 00:58:46,048 --> 00:58:49,757 But this was a validation from Hollywood that we'd never really seen before. 1170 00:58:49,888 --> 00:58:51,448 And maybe, just maybe, 1171 00:58:51,584 --> 00:58:55,359 this meant that animation was no longer at the kids' card table in the kitchen. 1172 00:58:55,488 --> 00:58:58,390 We'd won the Bank of America award for Jeffrey 1173 00:58:58,528 --> 00:59:00,797 and now the Golden Globe for the artists. 1174 00:59:00,928 --> 00:59:02,903 The icing on the cake was yet to come. 1175 00:59:04,992 --> 00:59:06,006 Oh, thank you very much. 1176 00:59:06,143 --> 00:59:09,196 A lot of animators just tossed their hot dogs and popcorn in the air at home. 1177 00:59:09,216 --> 00:59:11,737 So you've made some people very, very happy. 1178 00:59:13,024 --> 00:59:16,023 I'm pleased to announce Good 1179 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,732 that the motion pictures selected 1180 00:59:17,856 --> 00:59:21,882 as the Best Picture nominee of 1991 are: 1181 00:59:22,016 --> 00:59:23,216 Beauty and the Beast, 1182 00:59:24,544 --> 00:59:26,070 Don Hahn, producer. 1183 00:59:26,208 --> 00:59:30,517 Beauty and the Beast got six nominations, including a nomination for Best Picture. 1184 00:59:30,656 --> 00:59:34,430 Now that really sets a record here, because in the history of Disney, 1185 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,495 Disney has only had Best Picture nominees twice, 1186 00:59:37,632 --> 00:59:40,347 once for Mary Poppins and once for the Dead Poets Society. 1187 00:59:40,384 --> 00:59:42,773 So that was a great honor for Beauty and the Beast. 1188 00:59:42,912 --> 00:59:44,972 When we first heard that Beauty was nominated, 1189 00:59:44,992 --> 00:59:48,789 it was like an electrical charge that went through the entire studio. 1190 00:59:48,928 --> 00:59:49,943 I just came unglued. 1191 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,980 I did a dance around the house in my underwear. 1192 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,683 And my phone just rang for the rest of the day. 1193 00:59:54,816 --> 00:59:57,205 Congratulatory messages and telegrams 1194 00:59:57,344 --> 01:00:00,027 and boxes of candy were showing up at my door. 1195 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,436 It was nuts. 1196 01:00:01,567 --> 01:00:02,767 I was queen for a day. 1197 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,979 We came to the Oscars in our rented tuxedos and fancy ball gowns 1198 01:00:06,112 --> 01:00:08,541 and all I could think of was, "How did we get here?" 1199 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,542 And the Oscar goes to: 1200 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,988 The Silence of the Lambs. 1201 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,164 Well, we didn't win that night, but, boy, did we get invited to the ball. 1202 01:00:21,184 --> 01:00:24,086 The next day, it was back to work. 1203 01:00:24,736 --> 01:00:26,143 - Hi there. - Hi, Ron. 1204 01:00:26,272 --> 01:00:29,436 This is Ron Clements, once more. 1205 01:00:29,568 --> 01:00:31,330 He moved out of his tiny little room. 1206 01:00:31,424 --> 01:00:33,612 - What are you working on right now? - Aladdin. 1207 01:00:33,632 --> 01:00:36,204 These are sketches from Aladdin, another Academy Award winner. 1208 01:00:36,224 --> 01:00:39,258 Who knows, you know? You'll know better a few years from now. 1209 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,596 By the time Aladdin came, 1210 01:00:41,728 --> 01:00:47,195 the animation marathon was really beginning to tell on the physical strength, 1211 01:00:47,328 --> 01:00:49,303 I mean, just in terms of endurance. 1212 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,953 Now there was this, "Okay, how are you in the long run? 1213 01:00:53,088 --> 01:00:54,550 Can you keep going?" 1214 01:00:54,688 --> 01:00:58,332 Many of the artists had physical problems with their carpel tunnel syndrome. 1215 01:00:58,463 --> 01:01:03,068 And I remember on one day, it was the Day of Atonement. 1216 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,681 Jeffrey came to the studio and asked everybody to sit down with him 1217 01:01:06,816 --> 01:01:09,467 and just tell him what it was like to work with him. 1218 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,410 And he said, "Just be honest with me." 1219 01:01:11,616 --> 01:01:15,740 People started to share what working at Disney Animation was really like. 1220 01:01:15,872 --> 01:01:17,324 Some people couldn't have a family, 1221 01:01:17,344 --> 01:01:22,265 because they really had no way of being able to raise kids in this kind of pressure. 1222 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,335 For me, holding a coffee cup, my hand would shake, 1223 01:01:25,472 --> 01:01:27,098 was just shaking so badly, 1224 01:01:27,232 --> 01:01:30,047 because I'd been animating the whole night before. 1225 01:01:30,176 --> 01:01:33,853 It was the only time that I had seen Jeffrey with a tear in his eyes 1226 01:01:33,983 --> 01:01:39,166 from just being moved by what he was pushing the artists to do. 1227 01:01:39,296 --> 01:01:43,551 And he said,"This is not right. You have to have a life." 1228 01:01:43,808 --> 01:01:46,197 Nothing changed. In fact, it got busier. 1229 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,420 And it would have been easy to blame Jeffrey or Michael for pushing hard, 1230 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:50,828 because they were, but, you know, 1231 01:01:50,848 --> 01:01:53,196 the truth is that the artists were pushing just as hard. 1232 01:01:53,216 --> 01:01:56,407 The rewards were pouring in, so we all kept trying to top ourselves. 1233 01:01:56,736 --> 01:01:57,963 Suddenly, there were bonuses 1234 01:01:57,983 --> 01:02:01,147 and the parking lot was just full of BMWs and Porsches. 1235 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,572 We were getting a new building 1236 01:02:02,592 --> 01:02:05,772 and people were getting lawyers and agents and appearing on talk shows. 1237 01:02:05,792 --> 01:02:07,307 You always look into somebody's eyes 1238 01:02:07,327 --> 01:02:09,978 and if you're going to make a mistake in the drawing, 1239 01:02:10,111 --> 01:02:11,916 - don't let it be in the eyes. - Right. 1240 01:02:11,936 --> 01:02:13,196 That's where everybody's reading it. 1241 01:02:13,216 --> 01:02:16,794 It's interesting, because that was also, personally as an artist, 1242 01:02:16,927 --> 01:02:18,166 when our salaries went up. 1243 01:02:18,304 --> 01:02:20,278 When everybody became rock stars. 1244 01:02:20,415 --> 01:02:22,717 When it looked like you couldn't stop it. 1245 01:02:22,848 --> 01:02:26,028 Even with the sacrifice, the cold dinners, the nights away from family, 1246 01:02:26,048 --> 01:02:27,575 we were living the dream. 1247 01:02:27,712 --> 01:02:30,133 Raises. More money. Cut that. 1248 01:02:31,072 --> 01:02:34,040 Disney became the place to be for animation. 1249 01:02:34,176 --> 01:02:37,081 Alumni like Tim Burton and Henry Selick returned to the studio 1250 01:02:37,184 --> 01:02:41,014 to make a stop-motion movie, The Nightmare Before Christmas. 1251 01:02:41,152 --> 01:02:43,676 And Peter tried to hire John Lasseter away from Pixar, 1252 01:02:43,711 --> 01:02:47,224 but John insisted on staying with the struggling start-up company. 1253 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,748 So Peter struck a deal with John 1254 01:02:48,768 --> 01:02:51,615 to direct a computer-animated co-production with Disney, 1255 01:02:51,743 --> 01:02:55,005 the first of its kind, a buddy picture called Toy Story. 1256 01:02:55,872 --> 01:02:57,804 There was already a satellite studio in Florida 1257 01:02:57,824 --> 01:03:00,060 and now production started on A Goofy Movie 1258 01:03:00,192 --> 01:03:01,915 at another studio in Paris. 1259 01:03:02,047 --> 01:03:05,356 Rehearsals began on the new Broadway production of Beauty and the Beast. 1260 01:03:05,376 --> 01:03:08,954 Five years earlier, the care and focus was on one picture at a time, 1261 01:03:09,088 --> 01:03:11,422 and now there were five movies and a Broadway show 1262 01:03:11,488 --> 01:03:12,797 in very active production. 1263 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,262 Everybody was spread too thin. 1264 01:03:15,391 --> 01:03:19,483 I don't care what I am. I'm free! 1265 01:03:19,616 --> 01:03:21,885 Offer void where prohibited by law. Ha-ha-ha! 1266 01:03:22,016 --> 01:03:25,693 Master, I don't think you quite realize what you got here. 1267 01:03:25,824 --> 01:03:28,279 Aladdin opened on Thanksgiving weekend, 1992. 1268 01:03:28,672 --> 01:03:31,989 It was the first animated feature to gross over $200 million. 1269 01:03:32,767 --> 01:03:35,102 These movies became the heart and soul, 1270 01:03:35,232 --> 01:03:36,812 once again, of The Walt Disney Company. 1271 01:03:36,832 --> 01:03:40,825 The entire company rallied around them, sold merchandising, 1272 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,676 put them on TV, made specials about them, 1273 01:03:43,808 --> 01:03:46,124 became characters in the park, became rides in the park. 1274 01:03:46,144 --> 01:03:48,381 It was an extraordinarily heady period of time. 1275 01:03:48,512 --> 01:03:51,414 We could do no wrong. Everything we touched turned to gold. 1276 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,949 Every movie was bigger than the last movie. 1277 01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,787 And it was great just to see people... 1278 01:03:55,807 --> 01:03:58,060 The stigma of animation being just a kids' medium 1279 01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,699 kind of get peeled away by these various films. 1280 01:04:15,776 --> 01:04:17,771 While we celebrated the success of Aladdin, 1281 01:04:17,791 --> 01:04:20,061 the next movie was bearing down on us. 1282 01:04:20,192 --> 01:04:24,218 It was a coming-of-age story that everyone called Bambi in Africa. 1283 01:04:24,352 --> 01:04:26,687 I remember having seen a documentary called 1284 01:04:26,848 --> 01:04:29,662 Lions and Hyenas. 1285 01:04:29,792 --> 01:04:32,891 I mean, it was so incredibly powerful and dramatic and intense. 1286 01:04:33,024 --> 01:04:35,774 And I thought, "Wow, if this movie could capture, 1287 01:04:35,904 --> 01:04:39,701 you know, a tenth of the power of this documentary, then it would be terrific. 1288 01:04:41,568 --> 01:04:44,426 He's just saying hello. He's saying hello to you, by the way. 1289 01:04:45,696 --> 01:04:48,543 You notice that they are very contact-oriented. 1290 01:04:48,672 --> 01:04:52,119 He just walked under this man's leg just then. 1291 01:04:52,256 --> 01:04:55,340 And in this case, the yellow caution tape really does mean caution. 1292 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,196 We'd been working on it for a couple of months, 1293 01:04:57,216 --> 01:04:59,223 and then Jeffrey calls a breakfast meeting. 1294 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,070 And in the meeting, we have the whole crew from Pocahontas and Lion King. 1295 01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,248 And Jeffrey says, "Pocahontas is a home run. 1296 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,302 It's West Side Story, it's Romeo and Juliet with American Indians. 1297 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,895 It's a hit. It's got hit written all over it. 1298 01:05:12,032 --> 01:05:15,032 Lion King, on the other hand, is kind of an experiment. 1299 01:05:15,168 --> 01:05:18,583 We don't really know if anybody's gonna really wanna see it." 1300 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,835 And after that meeting, absolutely no one wanted to work on Lion King. 1301 01:05:21,855 --> 01:05:25,717 No one had any faith in that movie, which is, actually... 1302 01:05:25,856 --> 01:05:30,046 If there's a lesson in The Lion King, it's "nobody knows nothing." 1303 01:05:30,176 --> 01:05:33,624 We start with Simba in a secluded glade. He's kind of contemplating life, 1304 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,948 when he looks up and sees the stars and is reminded... 1305 01:05:35,968 --> 01:05:41,183 The kernel of that idea is something that actually originated with me. 1306 01:05:41,311 --> 01:05:45,468 It was really about that moment in each of our lives 1307 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,980 in which we sort of have to grow up and take responsibility. 1308 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,421 We have to take our place in the circle of life. 1309 01:05:50,911 --> 01:05:56,825 It's allegorically a young person born with a future that's to be fulfilled, 1310 01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,927 who has to go through a lot of difficulties to get there, 1311 01:06:00,064 --> 01:06:03,479 and most especially, who has to learn to believe in himself 1312 01:06:03,616 --> 01:06:08,537 before he can become what he is fated to be. 1313 01:06:08,672 --> 01:06:10,604 It became more and more this Shakespearean tale 1314 01:06:10,624 --> 01:06:12,631 about the responsibilities of leadership. 1315 01:06:12,768 --> 01:06:15,965 And in a really strange way, it seemed almost autobiographical, 1316 01:06:16,096 --> 01:06:20,319 all about the brinksmanship that can arise in this competitive male environment. 1317 01:06:20,448 --> 01:06:23,084 I came out of a story meeting and ran right into Frank Wells. 1318 01:06:23,104 --> 01:06:25,388 And he asked me, "How are things going on The Lion King?" 1319 01:06:25,408 --> 01:06:26,608 I said,"Great. 1320 01:06:26,944 --> 01:06:29,333 We're making a movie about ourselves." 1321 01:06:30,432 --> 01:06:32,319 It's a Disney fantasy, your life. 1322 01:06:32,448 --> 01:06:35,244 At the moment. I never thought I would be a CEO of a company. 1323 01:06:35,264 --> 01:06:36,931 I never thought I would run Disney. 1324 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,764 I'd like to freeze everything right now. 1325 01:06:38,784 --> 01:06:42,362 I'd like to just freeze. I'd like to stay my age. I like my age. 1326 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,454 I like my wife's age. I like my children's age. 1327 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,462 I like the way Disney is going. 1328 01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:50,876 This is your big night. 1329 01:06:52,576 --> 01:06:53,591 Yes, it is. 1330 01:06:53,728 --> 01:06:55,735 I'd like to freeze my life right now. 1331 01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,469 It was Easter Sunday, 1994. 1332 01:07:01,888 --> 01:07:04,987 And a single event in Nevada's Ruby Mountains 1333 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,120 would set in motion an unimaginable chain of events. 1334 01:07:08,256 --> 01:07:10,988 The helicopter had flown approximately a mile down the canyon 1335 01:07:11,008 --> 01:07:15,742 before it crashed into a rugged hillside at approximately 7,200 feet. 1336 01:07:15,872 --> 01:07:21,240 This is the only helicopter crash and the first fatality in the company's history. 1337 01:07:31,872 --> 01:07:36,214 There are some griefs that have to be shared. 1338 01:07:36,352 --> 01:07:39,767 Likewise, there are some joys so overwhelming 1339 01:07:39,904 --> 01:07:43,286 that they should be shared as well. 1340 01:07:43,424 --> 01:07:47,254 And while we all give Frank's death and grieve it, 1341 01:07:47,392 --> 01:07:50,261 we all share the joy of having known Frank. 1342 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,499 That is why we are here today, to remember... 1343 01:07:53,632 --> 01:07:56,054 To remember and to celebrate, 1344 01:07:56,192 --> 01:08:00,415 to pay tribute to one man who had magic 1345 01:08:00,544 --> 01:08:04,668 and to share the magic with him through his whole creative life. 1346 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,826 The songs and music you have heard and will hear today 1347 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,757 are not the songs of music of sorrow or of death. 1348 01:08:12,896 --> 01:08:16,191 They are the songs that Frank Wells enjoyed... 1349 01:08:24,736 --> 01:08:27,485 These are the songs that Frank enjoyed during his life. 1350 01:08:27,616 --> 01:08:30,333 I would now like to introduce the man 1351 01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:35,070 who thought up Frank and me for this job, Roy Disney. 1352 01:08:37,792 --> 01:08:39,483 That was it? 1353 01:08:49,024 --> 01:08:50,038 My speaker's off. 1354 01:08:50,175 --> 01:08:55,227 This is a fantastic, wonderful, unbelievable human being. 1355 01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:56,822 Okay? 1356 01:08:59,104 --> 01:09:00,631 Okay. 1357 01:09:00,896 --> 01:09:04,059 Frank was the peacemaker amongst all these tremendous egos. 1358 01:09:04,192 --> 01:09:08,283 And when Frank died, there was no one to talk to. 1359 01:09:08,415 --> 01:09:09,822 Nobody knew what to say. 1360 01:09:09,952 --> 01:09:15,037 It was a very strange quietness that overcame the studio, 1361 01:09:15,168 --> 01:09:17,535 just wondering, "Now what?" 1362 01:09:20,064 --> 01:09:22,398 And that is a little baby cub. 1363 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,375 And he is just the cutest thing. 1364 01:09:25,504 --> 01:09:28,919 And this guy is gonna grow up to be 750 pounds. 1365 01:09:31,776 --> 01:09:33,183 Ever since Frank's death, 1366 01:09:33,312 --> 01:09:36,443 Jeffrey was lobbying for Frank's job as president of the company, 1367 01:09:36,576 --> 01:09:38,380 but Roy wouldn't have anything to do with it. 1368 01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,516 He already felt uncomfortable with the amount of press that Jeffrey was getting. 1369 01:09:41,536 --> 01:09:43,194 I was out front on these movies. 1370 01:09:43,327 --> 01:09:44,822 I was selling the films. 1371 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,986 The more successful they were, the more attention came to me, 1372 01:09:49,216 --> 01:09:52,445 the more I was able to get attention for the films. 1373 01:09:52,768 --> 01:09:55,289 - He's getting restless, so shoot away. - Yeah, okay. 1374 01:09:55,424 --> 01:09:56,733 - That's it. - There we go. 1375 01:09:56,864 --> 01:10:00,923 Great, good. Pancho, good. Pancho. 1376 01:10:01,056 --> 01:10:03,031 At the time, I think many people felt, 1377 01:10:03,168 --> 01:10:06,299 well, am I doing this for me and my own career? 1378 01:10:06,432 --> 01:10:09,977 I think Michael became very competitive with me at some point in this. 1379 01:10:10,111 --> 01:10:12,076 He was uncomfortable with the amount of attention 1380 01:10:12,096 --> 01:10:13,836 and recognition that I was getting for it. 1381 01:10:13,856 --> 01:10:16,703 I think Roy was extremely uptight about it. 1382 01:10:20,224 --> 01:10:23,052 Jeffrey was gonna come in with a reporter from The Wall Street Journal 1383 01:10:23,072 --> 01:10:25,740 and he was gonna follow us around to show how the movie got made. 1384 01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,346 And Jeffrey performed for the journalist 1385 01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:32,342 and we created what looked like a slice of how the movie actually got made. 1386 01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:37,630 And in that article, Jeffrey was proclaimed the guy who was saving Disney Animation. 1387 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,404 I think that was kind of a last-straw kind of a thing for me. 1388 01:10:41,535 --> 01:10:43,194 I was just incensed by that. 1389 01:10:43,328 --> 01:10:47,223 This is the vaunted Walt Disney Company's animation machine in action: 1390 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,971 collaborative, confrontational, extravagant, exacting, 1391 01:10:51,104 --> 01:10:56,286 and under the meddlesome, protective hand of Mr. Katzenberg, wildly successful. 1392 01:10:56,416 --> 01:10:59,732 The studio that invented the animated movie in the 1930s, 1393 01:10:59,872 --> 01:11:03,418 but stumbled badly in the past decades, is back with a vengeance. 1394 01:11:03,552 --> 01:11:06,454 It has produced an unparalleled string of blockbusters, 1395 01:11:06,592 --> 01:11:09,975 from The Little Mermaid to Beauty and the Beast to Aladdin. 1396 01:11:10,112 --> 01:11:13,592 In fact, counting ancillary activities like merchandising, 1397 01:11:13,728 --> 01:11:16,597 video sales and theme-park attractions, 1398 01:11:16,736 --> 01:11:20,184 Disney's animated movies are simply the most successful products 1399 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,687 in the history of the entertainment business. 1400 01:11:24,127 --> 01:11:26,364 It was the president of Walt Disney Studios 1401 01:11:26,496 --> 01:11:29,068 versus the king of the jungle in Las Vegas Sunday night. 1402 01:11:29,088 --> 01:11:32,699 And luckily, Jeffrey Katzenberg can live to laugh about it. 1403 01:11:32,832 --> 01:11:35,071 You know, the final moment that was literally... 1404 01:11:35,104 --> 01:11:36,587 And I knew it, the day it happened 1405 01:11:36,607 --> 01:11:38,507 the straw that broke the camel's back is 1406 01:11:38,527 --> 01:11:41,244 there was an article that Rich Turner wrote 1407 01:11:41,376 --> 01:11:45,270 in The Wall Street Journal about Lion King. 1408 01:11:45,408 --> 01:11:50,394 And it was so interesting, because when I got up in the morning, 1409 01:11:50,528 --> 01:11:52,652 I read the paper, you know, very early in the morning 1410 01:11:52,672 --> 01:11:55,308 and I remember saying to Marilyn before I left for work, I said, 1411 01:11:55,328 --> 01:11:58,011 "Well, this is over. 1412 01:11:58,144 --> 01:12:00,697 This is the nail in my coffin." 1413 01:12:04,768 --> 01:12:07,530 It is now 22 minutes before the hour. I'm over 50 years old 1414 01:12:07,648 --> 01:12:11,641 and every time Disney comes out with a new animated movie, I rush off to see it. 1415 01:12:11,775 --> 01:12:13,996 And all this week, we're gonna be looking at the magic 1416 01:12:14,016 --> 01:12:16,699 that has created the new Disney animated feature. 1417 01:12:16,831 --> 01:12:18,293 It is called The Lion King. 1418 01:12:18,432 --> 01:12:20,099 So you all test this, these things. 1419 01:12:20,128 --> 01:12:22,266 Tell me, give me a little... Give me a taste. 1420 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,123 What is the test on The Lion King? 1421 01:12:24,255 --> 01:12:26,540 First of all, we don't believe in research. I never have. 1422 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:27,607 Really? Never. 1423 01:12:27,743 --> 01:12:31,638 That being said, it's the highest-tested film we have ever had. 1424 01:12:31,776 --> 01:12:33,131 I'm very proud to be part of it. 1425 01:12:33,151 --> 01:12:37,624 And to be proud part of that great tradition of Disney animated features. 1426 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:42,517 Hakuna matata, which of course, in Swahili, means "500 million worldwide." 1427 01:12:42,656 --> 01:12:45,852 Actually, hakuna matata, in Swahili, does mean "no worries." 1428 01:12:45,983 --> 01:12:48,364 And, boy, judging from the success of The Lion King, 1429 01:12:48,384 --> 01:12:51,930 it is safe to say that at this point, Disney Studios, which made the movie, 1430 01:12:52,064 --> 01:12:53,919 has hakuna matata. 1431 01:12:54,048 --> 01:12:55,510 We're live from Los Angeles. 1432 01:12:55,648 --> 01:12:58,844 And here coming up on the red carpet is Matthew Broderick. 1433 01:13:02,176 --> 01:13:04,524 About four years ago, we all decided we were gonna make it, 1434 01:13:04,544 --> 01:13:07,839 and so, you know, you fall in love pretty soon after that. 1435 01:13:07,968 --> 01:13:11,742 So four years ago, I would say, "Well, yeah," but now, it's great. 1436 01:13:11,872 --> 01:13:14,261 By the time The Lion King premiered in Hollywood, 1437 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,204 the press had picked up on the tensions 1438 01:13:16,224 --> 01:13:19,901 and Jeffrey waved off all interviews on the red carpet. 1439 01:13:21,408 --> 01:13:24,375 I had lunch with Michael and, you know, he said to me, 1440 01:13:24,512 --> 01:13:27,895 "I'm not interested in having you take this job. 1441 01:13:28,032 --> 01:13:31,261 Even though I said I was and promised you that you were, 1442 01:13:31,392 --> 01:13:32,669 I've changed my mind." 1443 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,444 And I said to him,"Fine, I understand. 1444 01:13:34,464 --> 01:13:37,195 But, you know, in changing your mind and deciding to do it, 1445 01:13:37,215 --> 01:13:40,030 you know, it really says to me I have no future here." 1446 01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,324 Jeffrey was a very good executive. He just played it wrong. 1447 01:13:43,456 --> 01:13:46,456 Had he been happy to stay at the studio, stay in his job, 1448 01:13:46,592 --> 01:13:50,269 not push everybody against the wall at a moment when somebody had died, 1449 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:55,670 he would have gotten the job, had he just had the patience to wait. 1450 01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,296 Whenever you're comfortable. You are rolling? 1451 01:14:05,344 --> 01:14:07,254 Yeah. Okay. 1452 01:14:07,904 --> 01:14:12,443 With all the many varied businesses this company is in, it is... 1453 01:14:12,576 --> 01:14:15,576 The cast-and-crew premiere was coming up fast. 1454 01:14:15,712 --> 01:14:17,740 It was tradition for all of us to get up on-stage 1455 01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,516 and give warm thank-you speeches. 1456 01:14:19,648 --> 01:14:22,188 But this time, I decided to film all the speeches instead 1457 01:14:22,208 --> 01:14:24,826 an unbelievable job over the last decade, 1458 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,710 culminating in Lion King, and pushing forward... 1459 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,936 Soon after, Michael complained of chest pains 1460 01:14:30,015 --> 01:14:31,307 and was rushed to the hospital 1461 01:14:31,327 --> 01:14:34,589 where he underwent quadruple bypass surgery. 1462 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,702 All right, I gotta just... Mind on other things. 1463 01:14:44,192 --> 01:14:47,672 Ten years after he ushered Frank and Michael into the company, 1464 01:14:47,808 --> 01:14:49,979 and with Animation at the height of success, 1465 01:14:50,112 --> 01:14:52,000 the wheels were coming off the car. 1466 01:14:52,128 --> 01:14:53,502 You're not rolling, I hope. 1467 01:14:55,264 --> 01:14:56,758 Anytime. 1468 01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,575 Well, I just wanna personally say thank you to everybody 1469 01:15:00,704 --> 01:15:04,119 for another absolutely incredible job on another marvelous movie 1470 01:15:04,256 --> 01:15:06,907 on the way to the next great movie. 1471 01:15:11,456 --> 01:15:15,384 Ten years ago, when we arrived here at Disney 1472 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,836 and Roy took Michael and I in hand 1473 01:15:18,975 --> 01:15:22,074 over to the second floor of the Animation Building, 1474 01:15:22,207 --> 01:15:26,485 and with Ron and John, walked us through those initial storyboards 1475 01:15:26,624 --> 01:15:30,104 for The Great Mouse Detective, 1476 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,662 there's not a chance in the world 1477 01:15:33,792 --> 01:15:37,305 that with all the imagination I could muster 1478 01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:43,670 that I could envision ten years later being here 1479 01:15:44,191 --> 01:15:50,935 and having the kinds of movies, collaboration and pride 1480 01:15:51,072 --> 01:15:56,985 that I feel having been a part of this extraordinary team 1481 01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,324 called Disney Feature Animation. 1482 01:15:59,456 --> 01:16:06,842 For me, it is what makes coming to work every day so special. 1483 01:16:06,975 --> 01:16:12,245 And to all of you, I'm not sure I can ever tell you how much it means 1484 01:16:12,383 --> 01:16:15,100 and how much I love being part of your family. 1485 01:16:15,232 --> 01:16:20,829 And how proud I am to have been a part of these movies with the best in the world. 1486 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,160 Thank you. 1487 01:16:22,272 --> 01:16:25,621 After the opening of The Lion King, he resigned. 1488 01:16:27,168 --> 01:16:29,786 Go to any institution, any university, 1489 01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,862 any hospital, any corporation, 1490 01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,007 any home, any house. You know what? 1491 01:16:34,144 --> 01:16:38,203 The human condition overshadows bricks and mortar every time. 1492 01:16:38,336 --> 01:16:42,046 And it's about fear and envy and jealousy and comfort 1493 01:16:42,176 --> 01:16:44,729 and love and hate and accomplishment. 1494 01:16:44,864 --> 01:16:46,555 Every institution has it. 1495 01:16:46,687 --> 01:16:49,371 Were we a bunch of artistic, emotional people 1496 01:16:49,504 --> 01:16:52,268 running around, screaming and crying and ranting and raving? 1497 01:16:52,288 --> 01:16:56,663 No, it was an organized group of people working together, saying, 1498 01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,588 "Let's put on a show." 1499 01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,931 After all that drama, the late nights, the cold pizza, the bruised egos 1500 01:17:01,951 --> 01:17:03,740 and all those hours away from family, 1501 01:17:03,871 --> 01:17:06,348 in the end, nobody will remember who did what to who, 1502 01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:11,069 but they will remember the characters who leapt from a pencil onto the screen 1503 01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,363 and into the hearts of the audience, and that's how it should be. 1504 01:17:14,496 --> 01:17:20,027 I just don't think anything is quite as magical as a Disney cartoon fairy tale. 1505 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:21,818 There's just nothing like that. 1506 01:18:06,015 --> 01:18:08,055 And now the grand finale. 1507 01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:20,612 Hello, out there. Hi, how are you? 1508 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,200 Hi. Hello. 1509 01:18:23,392 --> 01:18:24,472 Hello. Hi. 1510 01:18:24,607 --> 01:18:25,622 Hi, and... 1511 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,167 Oh, hi. 1512 01:18:27,296 --> 01:18:28,637 Hi. 1513 01:18:29,376 --> 01:18:30,576 Hi. Hello. 1514 01:18:30,688 --> 01:18:32,117 - Hi. - Can you say hi? 1515 01:18:33,151 --> 01:18:34,962 Hello, this is simply not good enough. 1516 01:18:39,648 --> 01:18:41,623 - Linda, do you have enough air? - Yeah? 1517 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,865 Try me. Just it feels great to be here. 1518 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,571 We were both riotously drunk and we were thrown in jail. 1519 01:18:46,591 --> 01:18:48,347 Game! 1520 01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:51,775 Okay, Goofy, let's see what you got. Oh! 1521 01:18:54,784 --> 01:18:56,922 I knew something was up. 1522 01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:01,560 Hello. Hi. 1523 01:19:01,695 --> 01:19:03,157 Hello. Hi, Mom. 1524 01:19:03,296 --> 01:19:04,758 Hi. 1525 01:19:09,824 --> 01:19:11,897 Let me out of here. Let me out. 1526 01:19:12,032 --> 01:19:16,734 Hi. We're going 130 kilometers per hour here 1527 01:19:16,864 --> 01:19:19,863 through the French countryside and I'm not wearing any pants. 1528 01:19:21,408 --> 01:19:22,684 Disney, number one. 1529 01:19:28,927 --> 01:19:31,099 I love it here! 1530 01:19:31,232 --> 01:19:33,337 - And I wanna... - All right. 1531 01:19:38,208 --> 01:19:40,281 Okay, ready? Burgess Meredith first? 1532 01:19:53,216 --> 01:19:54,416 Come on, Aladdin. 1533 01:19:56,608 --> 01:19:58,751 I don't know what I'm saying. Just go with me! 1534 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,243 I'm kind of a little self-conscious. 1535 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,205 It's about time it's coming out. 1536 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,069 See here. 1537 01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:12,400 Oh, my breast. 1538 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:18,841 Roger has no weak spots. 1539 01:20:18,976 --> 01:20:21,878 I started in 1945. Yes, I called you the kiss-ass of cleanup. 1540 01:20:22,016 --> 01:20:23,510 Oh, dear, I've said too much. 1541 01:20:23,647 --> 01:20:26,135 I'm gonna ask you a question before I continue. 1542 01:20:26,272 --> 01:20:29,338 Am I allowed to mention Jeffrey Katzenberg? 1543 01:20:31,712 --> 01:20:33,332 Tell him just to put a sweater on. 1544 01:21:46,432 --> 01:21:48,537 I'm stuck for the rest of it. 130400

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