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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:53:48,098 --> 00:53:49,366 Well , it was kind of like, 2 00:53:49,467 --> 00:53:53,504 being as the Beatles got me really reWed up for music, 3 00:53:53,604 --> 00:53:55,639 and it was just a magical time, I mean, 4 00:53:55,739 --> 00:53:59,543 I try to tell my kids, it's like going to bed tonight in one world, 5 00:53:59,643 --> 00:54:03,214 and waking up the ne morning in a completely different world. 6 00:54:03,314 --> 00:54:06,016 Cos it was like, the Beatles were... 7 00:54:06,116 --> 00:54:08,586 We'd had the war and then there was the Beatles. 8 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,423 The mania was amazing. 9 00:54:12,523 --> 00:54:15,926 And they set a fire off in me which has never gone out. 10 00:54:16,026 --> 00:54:17,127 All the Paul McCartney, 11 00:54:17,228 --> 00:54:21,065 but I didn't really think about what a great bass player he was. 12 00:54:21,165 --> 00:54:24,835 It was just like the Beatles as a band. 13 00:54:26,003 --> 00:54:27,304 Then when I went to see Cream , 14 00:54:27,404 --> 00:54:31,208 I went to see it mainly for Eric Clapton, and I saw... 15 00:54:31,308 --> 00:54:34,144 I'd never heard of Jack Bruce and when he started playing bass 16 00:54:34,245 --> 00:54:37,047 I thought, "What the. . .?" It just blew me away. 17 00:54:37,147 --> 00:54:42,019 About the most obvious ones were the Beatles, for me. 18 00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:47,191 But I was brought up where my parents played a lot of American ja 19 00:54:47,291 --> 00:54:49,059 every Saturday night. 20 00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:50,661 So, growing up as a child, 21 00:54:50,761 --> 00:54:53,764 every Saturday night the family would have a party, 22 00:54:53,864 --> 00:54:57,701 and that's when all the big band ja records would come out. 23 00:54:57,801 --> 00:55:01,005 The big guy for me is Gene Krupa. Still is. 24 00:55:01,105 --> 00:55:03,707 That's it. Gene Krupa. 25 00:55:03,807 --> 00:55:07,411 My first influence was the Shadows. 26 00:55:07,511 --> 00:55:09,713 And I think the Shadows 27 00:55:09,813 --> 00:55:13,250 were an influence to a lot of people from my generation. 28 00:55:13,350 --> 00:55:15,019 Guitar players, anyway. 29 00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:18,222 Because they were like one of the few instrumental bands in England 30 00:55:18,322 --> 00:55:22,059 that you could try and copy, if you like. 31 00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,328 So they sort of started me off. 32 00:55:26,096 --> 00:55:29,733 And then affer that, I got into more... 33 00:55:29,833 --> 00:55:33,270 the blues players and ja players. 34 00:55:38,509 --> 00:55:43,847 We'd never been to America, so we went on the. . . with the Paranoid album . 35 00:55:43,948 --> 00:55:45,783 Took us to America and opened up, 36 00:55:45,883 --> 00:55:49,587 just fulfilled everything we'd ever dreamt of 37 00:55:49,687 --> 00:55:52,122 and all our ambitions. 38 00:55:52,222 --> 00:55:55,092 We had three seats on one side, three seats on the other, 39 00:55:55,192 --> 00:55:57,161 flying the Atlantic to New York. 40 00:55:57,261 --> 00:56:02,132 Steve Winwood was playing a drum on the opposite side of the plane. 41 00:56:02,232 --> 00:56:04,735 And Jim Capaldi was in the seat ne to me. 42 00:56:04,835 --> 00:56:09,306 He said, "Man, you guys are going to kill in the States." 43 00:56:09,406 --> 00:56:12,309 It was a great experience because... 44 00:56:12,409 --> 00:56:17,181 I'll never forget, as I'm going through Kennedy Airport, 45 00:56:17,281 --> 00:56:21,385 that warm evening, and experiencing jetlag for the first time. 46 00:56:21,485 --> 00:56:24,655 It's like you're dead, you go to sleep, 47 00:56:24,755 --> 00:56:26,790 wake up four days later and it's still dark. 48 00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:29,226 And you go, "What's all this about?" 49 00:56:29,326 --> 00:56:32,663 We arrived in New York, went to New York, it's, you know. 50 00:56:32,763 --> 00:56:34,865 Our first gig was in New York. 51 00:56:34,965 --> 00:56:37,868 In fact, our first several gigs were in New York. 52 00:56:37,968 --> 00:56:39,970 And... 53 00:56:40,070 --> 00:56:43,841 And the PAs and the equipment that we'd brought 54 00:56:43,941 --> 00:56:45,909 were totally unsuitable for America. 55 00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:49,980 We didn't know that it was different electricity over here, 56 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,451 and we'd all brought our gear with our suitcases and stuff. 57 00:56:54,551 --> 00:56:57,955 I can't believe it now, that we actually took big column speakers 58 00:56:58,055 --> 00:57:01,225 in a plastic, like a plastic cover on them , 59 00:57:01,325 --> 00:57:03,127 travelling on the plane. 60 00:57:03,227 --> 00:57:06,130 So when they come off the chute, of course you know, 61 00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:08,065 no protection whatsoever. 62 00:57:08,165 --> 00:57:10,801 So all the naivety started all over again. 63 00:57:10,901 --> 00:57:11,869 We were these huge, 64 00:57:11,969 --> 00:57:15,339 for a second we were these huge giants back in England, you know, 65 00:57:15,439 --> 00:57:18,776 walking amidst the clouds or what have you, 66 00:57:18,876 --> 00:57:21,278 and in America we were back in a club. 67 00:57:21,378 --> 00:57:23,447 The first gig was bloody awful . 68 00:57:23,547 --> 00:57:27,184 We played at this place called Ungano's Club in New York. 69 00:57:27,751 --> 00:57:32,222 It was the worst dump I've ever seen. 70 00:57:32,322 --> 00:57:35,993 The roadie we had at that time, he plugged the gear in and it all blew up 71 00:57:36,093 --> 00:57:39,697 cos he didn't realise it was a different mains. 72 00:57:39,797 --> 00:57:44,535 We had to borrow some amps and stuff for that night. 73 00:57:44,635 --> 00:57:47,104 And we went on, 74 00:57:47,204 --> 00:57:49,740 and we like, did the set, and everybody was just like... 75 00:57:51,041 --> 00:57:53,310 Completely like no response. 76 00:57:53,410 --> 00:57:56,146 Then we found out, later, that we were auditioning 77 00:57:56,246 --> 00:58:01,518 for all the promoters and agents and everybody in America. 78 00:58:01,618 --> 00:58:04,822 And we were wondering why the audience looked so weird to us. 79 00:58:04,922 --> 00:58:08,492 They were all suits and short hair and everything. 80 00:58:09,693 --> 00:58:14,765 And nobody had told us that we had to audition first. 81 00:58:14,865 --> 00:58:20,704 So from that then, we played a couple of the university shows. 82 00:58:20,804 --> 00:58:25,142 We'd never been in a college basketball stadium before, 83 00:58:25,242 --> 00:58:27,044 at the university. 84 00:58:27,144 --> 00:58:29,613 We were looking around, going, "Oh my God." 85 00:58:29,713 --> 00:58:31,882 And the acoustics were absolutely awful , 86 00:58:31,982 --> 00:58:34,718 and the equipment that we had was completely inadequate. 87 00:58:34,818 --> 00:58:37,488 We had a lot to learn and very quickly. 88 00:58:37,588 --> 00:58:38,856 Then we got a break 89 00:58:38,956 --> 00:58:43,393 and we played the Eastown Theater. 90 00:58:43,494 --> 00:58:47,264 And the Fillmore East, which was so different, we couldn't believe it, 91 00:58:47,364 --> 00:58:49,366 and we'd actually got a monitor system, 92 00:58:49,466 --> 00:58:52,402 and we'd never used a monitor system in our lives. 93 00:58:52,503 --> 00:58:55,005 And it was like, "Oh God, this is great." 94 00:58:55,105 --> 00:58:57,207 And there we are, with our poxy PA, 95 00:58:57,307 --> 00:59:02,646 which didn't even go any further than a few yards, there, 96 00:59:02,746 --> 00:59:06,850 and there's all the sound, so we just used all their stuff. 97 00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:09,086 And it was great. 98 00:59:09,186 --> 00:59:12,856 So that was, then we were in, and we went down really well . 99 00:59:12,956 --> 00:59:18,195 Then, I don't know how, but word just like spread like wildfire, 100 00:59:18,295 --> 00:59:20,230 and we were there for, I think, 101 00:59:20,330 --> 00:59:23,333 originally we were supposed to be in America for two weeks 102 00:59:23,433 --> 00:59:25,202 and it ended up being three months. 103 00:59:30,407 --> 00:59:33,477 Well , the Black Sabbath story, for Warner Brothers, 104 00:59:33,577 --> 00:59:36,780 Warner Brothers was loaded with terrific acts, 105 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,416 but the Black Sabbath story was unique unto itself 106 00:59:39,516 --> 00:59:42,553 in that there were never any returns. 107 00:59:42,653 --> 00:59:44,721 When you sell a ton of records 108 00:59:44,822 --> 00:59:48,559 and what is unsold gets returned. 109 00:59:48,659 --> 00:59:51,094 And we'd never have returns on Black Sabbath records. 110 00:59:51,195 --> 00:59:54,031 I got to our production people and say, "What's the story?" 111 00:59:54,131 --> 00:59:57,935 They say we have to make more records, more albums, more tapes. 112 00:59:58,035 --> 01:00:02,406 That carried through their entire career with us. 113 01:00:02,506 --> 01:00:06,076 They never returned a record, they just kept selling, 114 01:00:06,176 --> 01:00:09,913 and, big numbers, obviously. 115 01:00:10,013 --> 01:00:14,618 And the fact that the first album got to number 1 2 on the charts 116 01:00:14,718 --> 01:00:15,652 was amazing, 117 01:00:15,752 --> 01:00:21,658 because the air play for this band, at the normal great exposure stations, 118 01:00:21,758 --> 01:00:23,560 was not there. 119 01:00:23,660 --> 01:00:26,330 They made it on who they were 120 01:00:26,430 --> 01:00:29,433 and what the quality of the music on those albums was. 121 01:00:34,638 --> 01:00:39,009 All the riffs I'd done, I always tried to make them big and powerful 122 01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:42,846 because we were only a three-piece, musically. 123 01:00:42,946 --> 01:00:48,051 Oy never played an instrument so we had to make it as big as we could. 124 01:00:49,486 --> 01:00:54,658 And so, that was it, really. 125 01:00:54,758 --> 01:00:57,394 That was the approach on all the songs, was to try... 126 01:00:57,494 --> 01:01:00,464 Also songs like War Pigs or whatever, you'd have to, 127 01:01:00,564 --> 01:01:05,502 I'd let the boffom note ring to make it bigger. 128 01:01:50,380 --> 01:01:53,750 And it goes through the three stages of that beginning part 129 01:01:53,850 --> 01:01:57,220 where I'm hitting the open string as well to make it a bigger sound. 130 01:01:57,321 --> 01:02:00,691 And then it goes, the other part, where it goes... 131 01:02:00,791 --> 01:02:02,960 That's sort of where the vocal starts. 132 01:02:03,060 --> 01:02:05,929 Then we do a section of doing that with Oy, 133 01:02:07,297 --> 01:02:10,133 and then back into the instrumental part again. 134 01:02:19,443 --> 01:02:21,611 Then it goes into another section. 135 01:02:31,288 --> 01:02:32,956 Then a vocal bit. 136 01:02:40,130 --> 01:02:41,631 Then a break. 137 01:02:51,208 --> 01:02:52,876 Vocal . 138 01:03:01,818 --> 01:03:03,353 Then it breaks down into... 139 01:03:18,668 --> 01:03:22,539 Then into the solo, which, again, was hitting the bottom string 140 01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:25,108 to make it sound fuller. 141 01:03:45,562 --> 01:03:47,297 My approach to solos is, 142 01:03:47,397 --> 01:03:51,334 I go and sit down and play and capture them in so many 143 01:03:51,435 --> 01:03:56,106 otherwise it either gets worse, or it very rarely gets beffer, 144 01:03:56,206 --> 01:03:58,075 but I try and do it in so many. 145 01:04:01,745 --> 01:04:06,249 And just listen to it and then start playing, 146 01:04:06,349 --> 01:04:07,784 and try and get the feel of it 147 01:04:07,884 --> 01:04:10,887 without, sort of, geffing it to working stuff out. 148 01:04:10,987 --> 01:04:12,089 If you start working... 149 01:04:12,189 --> 01:04:15,325 I've never been one for, "Sit down and work out a solo". 150 01:04:15,425 --> 01:04:18,795 I can't do that. I've never been able to do that properly. 151 01:04:18,895 --> 01:04:21,665 So I just tend to go in and just sort of jam with it. 152 01:04:21,765 --> 01:04:26,136 If a part, if I'm playing a part, say if I do six takes or whatever, 153 01:04:26,236 --> 01:04:28,805 and there's a part that I thought, "I like that part," 154 01:04:28,905 --> 01:04:32,242 then I'll keep that and then try another one. 155 01:04:32,342 --> 01:04:36,213 Songs like War Pigs and that. The solo became part of the theme. 156 01:04:36,313 --> 01:04:41,785 So you'd end up keeping that because it was a part of the song. 157 01:04:41,885 --> 01:04:47,557 But some of the others would be just, you'd try different things. 158 01:04:47,657 --> 01:04:51,328 Some of the other songs, Paranoid tended to be one of the solos I kept 159 01:04:51,428 --> 01:04:54,364 and done it more or less the same. 160 01:05:17,954 --> 01:05:21,858 That's basically it, really, and there's not much else to it. 161 01:05:22,959 --> 01:05:26,263 Electric Funeral was sort of a... 162 01:05:26,363 --> 01:05:27,764 I'd done it on a wah-wah. 163 01:05:27,864 --> 01:05:29,799 Again, it was the riff first, 164 01:05:31,168 --> 01:05:35,939 and then, the music first and then the melody came afferwards. 165 01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:39,676 But, basically, Oy followed the riff which sort of went with it, 166 01:05:39,776 --> 01:05:43,180 again, like Iron Man, the same sort of thing. 167 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:47,117 It seemed to be the right sort of approach for it, I think. 168 01:05:47,217 --> 01:05:50,587 But this one was a bit different cos, as I say, we used a wah-wah on it 169 01:05:50,687 --> 01:05:54,991 and it just sort of made it sound a liffle bit different. 170 01:05:55,091 --> 01:05:57,894 It sort of went like this. 171 01:06:15,011 --> 01:06:18,114 And then where Oy come in singing, I dropped the level down 172 01:06:18,215 --> 01:06:20,217 and just used the wah-wah slowly. 173 01:06:58,421 --> 01:06:59,623 I couldn't keep a day job. 174 01:06:59,723 --> 01:07:03,059 I hated the fact that this is it for the rest of my life. 175 01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:04,461 I thought, "I'm not going to." 176 01:07:04,561 --> 01:07:07,197 I remember my mother geffing me a job, for instance, 177 01:07:07,297 --> 01:07:10,700 at the Lucas car plant, tuning car horns. 178 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,570 I believe that was my first musical job. 179 01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:17,173 And I said to one of the guys in his soundproof room, 180 01:07:17,274 --> 01:07:19,009 "How long have you been doing this?" 181 01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:22,345 And he goes, "35 years and I get my gold watch." 182 01:07:22,445 --> 01:07:24,481 I thought to myself, I remember thinking, 183 01:07:24,581 --> 01:07:26,283 "I don't want a gold watch that bad, 184 01:07:26,383 --> 01:07:29,486 "but if I did, I'd break a jeweller's window." 185 01:07:29,586 --> 01:07:33,056 But I just couldn't stand it, and it was a good way to be with the lads, 186 01:07:33,156 --> 01:07:36,660 travel around Europe, meet women, have beer, have sex, 187 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,295 all the rest of it, you know. 188 01:07:38,395 --> 01:07:40,964 It was just, have fun while you're still ... 189 01:07:41,064 --> 01:07:42,599 you ain't got no wife, no kids. 190 01:07:42,699 --> 01:07:45,035 We were four lads plus a roadie 191 01:07:45,135 --> 01:07:48,171 driving around Europe in a transit van. 192 01:07:53,376 --> 01:07:54,944 This is a track called Paranoid. 193 01:07:55,045 --> 01:07:57,080 That was the one that did it for them , 194 01:07:57,180 --> 01:08:00,850 and, again, it came, started with Tony's guitar riff. 195 01:08:00,950 --> 01:08:02,852 Basically, Tony came up with the riff, 196 01:08:02,952 --> 01:08:06,389 and the bass is just nailing down what Tony does. 197 01:08:06,489 --> 01:08:10,760 Which is so distinctive at the front. Should we have another listen to that? 198 01:08:28,578 --> 01:08:32,015 This is a track where Geezer is following the guitar all the way through. 199 01:09:10,220 --> 01:09:14,858 Yeah, the bass is really providing, just broadening out the guitar sound. 200 01:09:14,958 --> 01:09:19,229 And on the solo they used a tone generator on the, 201 01:09:19,329 --> 01:09:22,799 actually playing on the solo to make it sound odd. 202 01:09:22,899 --> 01:09:24,134 And it did sound odd. 203 01:09:29,406 --> 01:09:32,709 I played it like that and got this sound on it, 204 01:09:35,145 --> 01:09:39,682 which was weird, but that was a Rodger Bain idea or... 205 01:09:42,819 --> 01:09:43,987 Tom Allom . 206 01:09:48,057 --> 01:09:53,496 Solo with vile ring modulator on it. 207 01:10:01,271 --> 01:10:02,605 Grim ! 208 01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:19,722 And the original vocal again with the original backing. 209 01:10:56,125 --> 01:10:58,027 "You're all insane! " 210 01:11:08,171 --> 01:11:10,106 Short and sweet. 211 01:11:10,206 --> 01:11:12,909 I've played it with a bunch of different guys. 212 01:11:13,009 --> 01:11:14,878 I had some great drummers, 213 01:11:14,978 --> 01:11:18,414 some great bass players, some great guitar players. 214 01:11:18,515 --> 01:11:21,417 Nobody, I don't know why, it's like, 215 01:11:21,518 --> 01:11:24,921 it's like puffing this pair of shoes on a different guy. 216 01:11:25,021 --> 01:11:27,891 It just doesn't fit the same, it doesn't feel the same. 217 01:11:27,991 --> 01:11:30,293 It's a "version of'. 218 01:11:30,393 --> 01:11:34,397 When I went back with Black Sabbath for the reunion, it was like... 219 01:11:34,497 --> 01:11:38,301 Thank God. This is the only band, for me, that can play this stuff. 220 01:11:43,506 --> 01:11:45,308 I always wanted to back the riff up, 221 01:11:45,408 --> 01:11:49,445 to make it deeper and heavier, 222 01:11:49,546 --> 01:11:54,751 so I'd like play along to the same thing that Tony was playing 223 01:11:54,851 --> 01:11:59,022 and then go off on his middle eights or the choruses or whatever. 224 01:12:00,089 --> 01:12:02,892 Then, when the riff came back in, play that with Tony. 225 01:13:31,147 --> 01:13:35,618 A lot of the riffs are so, like, strong you can't really get off them. 226 01:13:35,718 --> 01:13:38,187 Especially Iron Man. 227 01:13:38,287 --> 01:13:41,257 We'd opened N . I . B. with the bass on the first album 228 01:13:41,357 --> 01:13:44,227 and we wanted something to open, 229 01:13:44,327 --> 01:13:47,263 for the bass to open with on the Paranoid album as well . 230 01:13:47,363 --> 01:13:51,334 So Hand Of Doom was a good riff, doomy riff for the bass. 231 01:13:51,434 --> 01:13:53,236 That's how we came up with it. 232 01:15:35,905 --> 01:15:39,408 There was no casseffe decks or anything to record anything on back then. 233 01:15:39,509 --> 01:15:41,644 We couldn't afford anything like that. 234 01:15:41,744 --> 01:15:45,314 So everything that we ever did was in our heads. 235 01:15:45,414 --> 01:15:48,184 So you'd be thinking of stuff 236 01:15:48,284 --> 01:15:50,386 and you might have ten riffs going on. 237 01:15:50,486 --> 01:15:54,290 In your mind you go, "If I put that riff with that riff." 238 01:15:54,390 --> 01:16:00,263 And sometimes the song would just go from beginning to end in one session, 239 01:16:00,363 --> 01:16:04,801 but other times you'd get one piece and you keep working and working, 240 01:16:04,901 --> 01:16:07,637 you might not come up with anything, then a week later, 241 01:16:07,737 --> 01:16:12,175 you might come up with something that will go with that one, 242 01:16:12,275 --> 01:16:15,778 and piece it together like that, like a jigsaw pule. 243 01:17:03,092 --> 01:17:06,195 Of course it was Tony mainly that come out with the major riff 244 01:17:06,295 --> 01:17:08,798 and everybody'd put in bits around that. 245 01:17:09,799 --> 01:17:12,401 And without any one of us, it wouldn't have been the same. 246 01:17:12,501 --> 01:17:17,707 So we all , you know, got credits for it. 247 01:17:22,912 --> 01:17:26,015 This was the first time I'd heard drums played 248 01:17:26,115 --> 01:17:28,718 where it wasn't like a regular beat. 249 01:17:28,818 --> 01:17:30,586 It was actually, listening to it, 250 01:17:30,686 --> 01:17:33,923 and this ne track, Rat Salad, will illustrate it, 251 01:17:34,023 --> 01:17:39,629 in the same way that Tony's got a lot of ja in what he plays, 252 01:17:39,729 --> 01:17:44,200 Bill's technique reminds me of a lot of ja drummers that I've heard. 253 01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:48,704 And the solo on this ne track does illustrate that very well. 254 01:17:48,804 --> 01:17:53,409 And it's not just playing a regular beat, it's using the toms 255 01:17:53,509 --> 01:17:59,415 in between the riffs and in between the bass lines that drives it so well. 256 01:17:59,515 --> 01:18:01,617 Technically very good, actually. 257 01:18:04,954 --> 01:18:06,589 Keeping time 258 01:18:06,689 --> 01:18:10,293 when you're not playing a steady beat 259 01:18:10,393 --> 01:18:12,161 is a different technique. 260 01:18:14,997 --> 01:18:20,002 He's playing more in the style of, perhaps, a Ginger Baker, in a way, 261 01:18:21,037 --> 01:18:24,140 much more fluent. 262 01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,910 Of course, Keith Moon did it brilliantly. 263 01:18:28,010 --> 01:18:30,713 He could only play with one band. 264 01:18:30,813 --> 01:18:36,052 I suspect that, actually, Bill could probably have slotted into other bands 265 01:18:36,152 --> 01:18:38,254 with his ability on drums. 266 01:18:38,354 --> 01:18:42,792 But, anyway, this ne track actually does show him off eremely well . 267 01:18:42,892 --> 01:18:47,530 It also illustrates how few takes that we had to do 268 01:18:47,630 --> 01:18:49,098 to complete this album , 269 01:18:49,198 --> 01:18:52,868 because you hear me saying "take two" just before this. 270 01:18:52,969 --> 01:18:55,104 If he only did two takes of this liffle lot, 271 01:18:55,204 --> 01:18:57,106 then he was doing preffy well . 272 01:18:57,206 --> 01:18:58,541 Shall we have a listen? 273 01:19:06,315 --> 01:19:07,984 Take two. 274 01:19:35,277 --> 01:19:39,215 Kind of interesting to have a listen to Geezer and Tony 275 01:19:39,315 --> 01:19:41,584 just on their own in this ne passage. 276 01:19:54,830 --> 01:19:59,502 Geezer's driving the rhythm with his line, while Tony's weaving around it. 277 01:20:23,559 --> 01:20:25,361 Now we have the solo. 278 01:21:18,247 --> 01:21:20,950 This is exactly the same as the finished mix, 279 01:21:21,050 --> 01:21:24,420 they were just a couple of double-tracked guitar parts. 280 01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,789 Other than that, this was it. 281 01:21:26,889 --> 01:21:28,390 Second take. 282 01:21:34,063 --> 01:21:36,699 That, again, came out of 283 01:21:36,799 --> 01:21:41,770 when we used to do these ridiculous, eight three-quarter hour spots 284 01:21:41,871 --> 01:21:44,673 when we were on in Europe. 285 01:21:44,773 --> 01:21:49,712 And Bill used to fill out a whole 45 minutes 286 01:21:49,812 --> 01:21:55,684 doing a drum solo just to pass, get rid of, like, that 45 minutes. 287 01:21:55,784 --> 01:21:59,255 Me and Oy would probably be up at the bar getting pissed 288 01:21:59,355 --> 01:22:03,692 and me and Tony would just do that quick intro to Rat Salad 289 01:22:03,792 --> 01:22:07,830 and then go off, and we'd be at the bar or smoking dope or something, 290 01:22:07,930 --> 01:22:09,999 or off with some tart, 291 01:22:10,099 --> 01:22:15,137 and just leave Bill to it. 292 01:22:15,237 --> 01:22:19,942 Bill wanted to get a drum solo in on the album , so that's what. 293 01:22:20,042 --> 01:22:22,311 We did what we do on stage. 294 01:22:23,445 --> 01:22:25,915 I've no idea where the title came from . 295 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,589 On Saturday nights, my mum would play the piano 296 01:22:33,689 --> 01:22:35,691 and my dad would sing. 297 01:22:37,593 --> 01:22:42,364 And the guy that played the drums, he lived about four houses down, 298 01:22:42,464 --> 01:22:45,067 so he'd bring his, what was then called "traps", 299 01:22:45,167 --> 01:22:47,636 he'd bring his traps around the house. 300 01:22:47,736 --> 01:22:50,539 Of course, he'd be too drunk to take them home, 301 01:22:50,639 --> 01:22:54,610 so on Sunday mornings, when everybody else was asleep with a hangover, 302 01:22:54,710 --> 01:22:56,579 I used to come sneaking down 303 01:22:56,679 --> 01:22:58,948 and I'd touch the hi-hats and touch the cymbals, 304 01:22:59,048 --> 01:23:00,549 just like a kid, man. 305 01:23:00,649 --> 01:23:03,819 To me, it was just like, "Oh my God. This is incredible." 306 01:23:03,919 --> 01:23:05,154 I was just fascinated. 307 01:23:05,254 --> 01:23:09,124 We were talking about, like just the regular triplet, 308 01:23:09,225 --> 01:23:14,863 and in the song, Hand Of Doom , 309 01:23:14,964 --> 01:23:16,599 I'm doing something like that. 310 01:23:16,699 --> 01:23:20,569 Before I do it and show you the different interpretations, 311 01:23:20,669 --> 01:23:24,640 I have to give credit to the other musicians in Birmingham at the time 312 01:23:24,740 --> 01:23:28,444 that were using this very similar type of thing. 313 01:23:28,544 --> 01:23:30,646 So it's basically a... 314 01:23:36,452 --> 01:23:38,454 That's preffy much what it is. 315 01:23:38,554 --> 01:23:41,423 But when you add a few other things into it, 316 01:23:41,523 --> 01:23:45,694 an example of that, put this into the conte of Hand Of Doom , 317 01:23:45,794 --> 01:23:49,932 there's a part where Oy's singing with, the band's playing... 318 01:23:53,002 --> 01:23:57,873 There's a lot of work that I'm puffing in there, including these. 319 01:24:07,416 --> 01:24:09,551 So it's kind of like... 320 01:24:15,758 --> 01:24:17,126 Sort of like so, 321 01:24:17,226 --> 01:24:20,529 and most drummers, probably, will know that paffern, 322 01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:22,731 and a lot of people will know that, 323 01:24:22,831 --> 01:24:27,002 but to bring that into a more complex, 324 01:24:27,102 --> 01:24:30,072 taking the triplet and bringing in far more complexity 325 01:24:30,172 --> 01:24:31,840 can be used... 326 01:24:45,587 --> 01:24:50,025 Which is what we, you know, how we drive and so on and so forth. 327 01:24:50,125 --> 01:24:54,863 In Electric Funeral , there's a couple of things that I really... 328 01:24:54,963 --> 01:24:58,167 Well, I enjoyed playing, obviously played all the songs, 329 01:24:58,267 --> 01:25:02,071 but there was one particular thing where we go up tempo 330 01:25:02,171 --> 01:25:04,707 and it's in the part where Tony played... 331 01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:13,248 I blat and I come in so, I'll play you kind of where I went with that. 332 01:25:23,292 --> 01:25:27,396 So that's the, that's it in its simplest form , 333 01:25:27,496 --> 01:25:32,501 but where I like to go is to add more fills in. 334 01:25:32,601 --> 01:25:36,472 And, again, it comes under the heading of "nearly triplets", I guess. 335 01:25:36,572 --> 01:25:37,773 So we're going... 336 01:26:01,597 --> 01:26:03,065 It wasn't, it's not too, 337 01:26:03,165 --> 01:26:06,568 it's not too far away from where those bass drums were going then. 338 01:26:06,668 --> 01:26:09,371 It's not too far away from ... 339 01:26:39,201 --> 01:26:42,871 One of my favourite songs to play on stage is still Fairies Wear Boots. 340 01:26:42,971 --> 01:26:45,674 And, again, 341 01:26:45,774 --> 01:26:48,243 it's very powerfully played. 342 01:26:48,343 --> 01:26:52,147 But it certainly has its roots, again, in ja. 343 01:26:53,348 --> 01:26:55,017 I can try and give an example. 344 01:26:55,117 --> 01:26:58,253 I'll just go to the up tempo part. 345 01:26:58,353 --> 01:27:00,689 So imagine that we've just played the... 346 01:27:04,092 --> 01:27:06,028 And then we're going into the... 347 01:27:08,063 --> 01:27:12,134 So it would be, two, three, and... 348 01:27:51,740 --> 01:27:55,944 It's what reminds me of the ja in it, 349 01:27:56,044 --> 01:27:58,213 is the going, the... 350 01:28:02,117 --> 01:28:05,187 Going into those parts. 351 01:28:05,287 --> 01:28:08,757 I kind of wish Tony was here right now so we could play it together. 352 01:28:10,826 --> 01:28:13,629 But it's like, it's almost like, 353 01:28:13,729 --> 01:28:17,733 it's almost, it really is like swing, with power. 354 01:28:17,833 --> 01:28:20,536 And I can't say enough about 355 01:28:20,636 --> 01:28:23,539 coming back to the shuffles 356 01:28:23,639 --> 01:28:26,808 and a lot, I'll give credit to 357 01:28:26,909 --> 01:28:31,346 the blues music that was - and especially English blues music - 358 01:28:31,446 --> 01:28:34,483 that was so dominant during the mid-'60s. 359 01:28:39,688 --> 01:28:41,323 The ne one's Planet Caravan, 360 01:28:41,423 --> 01:28:45,160 so this is their sort of psychedelic ballad thing. 361 01:28:46,528 --> 01:28:50,699 Bill Ward sits on a stool and plays bongos. 362 01:28:52,901 --> 01:28:55,637 Tony's playing a nice, gentle liffle guitar part. 363 01:28:55,737 --> 01:28:57,139 Very sweet. 364 01:28:59,441 --> 01:29:02,177 There's a funny liffle synthy thing in there, 365 01:29:02,277 --> 01:29:06,782 we've got a guide vocal from. . . from Oy, 366 01:29:06,882 --> 01:29:12,254 which is, again, preffy much the final melody, but totally different lyrics. 367 01:29:12,354 --> 01:29:16,325 And then there's a surprise performance later on in the track 368 01:29:16,425 --> 01:29:18,594 which we'll come to in a bit, 369 01:29:19,595 --> 01:29:24,166 on an instrument hitherto unheard on heayv metal . 370 01:29:24,266 --> 01:29:25,267 Basically. 371 01:29:25,367 --> 01:29:27,903 And this is sort of how it went, really. 372 01:30:36,838 --> 01:30:39,908 That's not actually a keyboard. This is not a keyboard, at all . 373 01:30:42,844 --> 01:30:45,213 It's a knob. 374 01:30:45,313 --> 01:30:48,316 With a different frequency on each click. 375 01:30:49,384 --> 01:30:51,486 So, I think it's Rodger, 376 01:30:53,722 --> 01:30:55,691 just turning the knob. 377 01:30:57,893 --> 01:31:00,862 Notice, it's the same notes going up and down. 378 01:31:10,872 --> 01:31:14,209 And I think the finished thing, 379 01:31:15,277 --> 01:31:17,446 with a nice liffle reverb on it, and an echo. 380 01:31:42,037 --> 01:31:44,873 I think we've got Tony's solo coming up now. 381 01:32:12,768 --> 01:32:17,439 Again, very much the ja influence in his playing. 382 01:32:38,627 --> 01:32:40,929 Mystery instrument coming in, I think, now. 383 01:32:43,665 --> 01:32:45,167 What's that? 384 01:32:48,036 --> 01:32:50,405 Well , it's a piano. 385 01:33:06,788 --> 01:33:09,624 Prizes offered for guessing who was playing that. 386 01:33:11,927 --> 01:33:13,528 That was the engineer. 387 01:33:16,765 --> 01:33:18,366 Yours truly. 388 01:33:18,466 --> 01:33:20,302 I think... 389 01:33:21,403 --> 01:33:23,705 Possibly my only instrumental performance 390 01:33:23,805 --> 01:33:25,507 on any record I've ever recorded. 391 01:33:30,545 --> 01:33:35,383 But it seemed to work with the other things 392 01:33:35,483 --> 01:33:37,619 that were happening at the time. 393 01:33:40,222 --> 01:33:43,925 Then, basically, it just fades out from here. 394 01:33:44,025 --> 01:33:47,329 So it's, lyrically, a short song. 395 01:34:03,845 --> 01:34:08,116 Well , it's actually amazing to have these boxes here on the console 396 01:34:08,216 --> 01:34:09,684 ne to me here, 397 01:34:09,784 --> 01:34:15,457 because it's my handwriting on them , here they are, 398 01:34:15,557 --> 01:34:18,960 proof that it was done 4-track. One-inch, 4-track. 399 01:34:19,060 --> 01:34:20,228 Lovely stuff. 400 01:34:20,328 --> 01:34:23,999 They've survived the 39 intervening years. 401 01:34:24,099 --> 01:34:27,802 Sadly, we've only got these 4-track tapes, 402 01:34:27,903 --> 01:34:31,006 which are the original 4-track tapes. 403 01:34:31,106 --> 01:34:35,176 And it would have been nice if we'd had the, 404 01:34:35,277 --> 01:34:38,246 whether they were 8-track or 1 6-track tapes from Island. 405 01:34:38,346 --> 01:34:42,817 But the fact is, we don't have them but we can hear, 406 01:34:42,918 --> 01:34:46,855 by comparing what's on these 4-track tapes to the final mixes, 407 01:34:46,955 --> 01:34:48,823 how liffle was actually done at Island. 408 01:34:48,924 --> 01:34:52,193 The vocals obviously being the important thing, were done there, 409 01:34:52,294 --> 01:34:55,563 but, I think... 410 01:34:55,664 --> 01:34:58,366 I think every one of Tony's guitar solos 411 01:34:58,466 --> 01:35:01,169 was present on these original 4-tracks. 412 01:35:01,269 --> 01:35:03,071 He just doubled some of them 413 01:35:03,171 --> 01:35:06,808 and then doubled up most of the rhythm guitar parts. 414 01:35:06,908 --> 01:35:09,010 We had a few effects go on here and there, 415 01:35:09,110 --> 01:35:10,845 a bit of reverb here and there, 416 01:35:10,946 --> 01:35:14,749 but really, preffy much all of the album's siffing here ne to us now, 417 01:35:14,849 --> 01:35:15,917 which is nice. 418 01:35:16,618 --> 01:35:21,456 And inside here, there's some other session log sheets 419 01:35:21,556 --> 01:35:24,592 which refer to three of the tracks on here. 420 01:35:24,693 --> 01:35:27,896 "Take one. Doom . Hand Of Doom . Master." 421 01:35:27,996 --> 01:35:29,731 So that was first take. 422 01:35:29,831 --> 01:35:33,568 "Iron Man." Oh, we had to do three takes of that. Big deal . 423 01:35:33,668 --> 01:35:34,869 For the master, and then, 424 01:35:34,970 --> 01:35:38,506 as you heard me say before Rat Salad on the original thing, "Take two." 425 01:35:38,606 --> 01:35:40,709 There we are, "Take two. Master." 426 01:35:40,809 --> 01:35:44,145 So they didn't mess around. I mean, they were well rehearsed 427 01:35:44,245 --> 01:35:47,615 and this thing went down like a dose of salts, it was wonderful . 428 01:35:47,716 --> 01:35:49,951 But it really is lovely to see these boxes again. 429 01:35:50,051 --> 01:35:53,521 It's a bit of a, bit of a blast, actually. 430 01:35:53,621 --> 01:35:56,291 When you said you had them , I didn't totally believe you, 431 01:35:56,391 --> 01:35:57,392 but there it is. 36245

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