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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Buried alive, in total darkness,
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with no way to escape.
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Invisible forces
with demonic intent
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that control your mind and body.
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And ordinary objects
with supernatural powers
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that leave a trail
of death and destruction.
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Fear. It's a universal emotion,
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human emotion, that is often
essential to our very survival.
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Our biological drive
to stay safe is designed
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to help protect us from danger,
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both real and imagined.
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We might be startled
or even amused at times
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by loud noises, dark places,
or confined spaces,
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but what happens
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when the stuff of nightmares
is not a dream,
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but instead,
a terrifying reality?
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Well, that is what
we'll try and find out.
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SHATNER:
All over the world,
various cultures
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practice a period of mourning
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between the time
of a person's death
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and when they're
finally laid to rest.
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This is a time to pay respects,
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to process one's loss,
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and in some cases,
to quell the fear
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that the dearly departed
might still be alive,
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and prematurely placed
six feet under.
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MARK P. DONNELLY:
The fear of being buried alive
was a fairly common fear
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up until 20th century
medical practices
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meant fewer people were,
in fact, buried alive.
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It was most common
in 18th and 19th century
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Europe and America,
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mostly due to
the medical practices
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and the burial practices
at the time.
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This was when medical diagnoses
could get things wrong,
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and people were,
in fact, buried alive,
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and stories of that
became sensationalized,
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and therefore,
the panic would spread.
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JOSEPH LAYCOCK:
In the 19th century,
the great fear
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of being buried alive
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was partly because
this was the age of cholera.
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Cholera causes severe diarrhea,
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which can deplete all
the electrolytes in your body
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and, in extreme cases,
can induce a coma.
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So, sometimes,
people appear dead,
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and they're actually in
this sort of vegetative state,
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and they can come out of it.
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But if you bury them,
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then you've buried them alive,
and that is a terrible death.
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SHATNER:
Historically,
the thought of being trapped
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in a wooden box,
beneath thousands of pounds
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of dirt,
with no possibility of escape,
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was so widespread, that this
fear was actually given a name.
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It's called taphephobia.
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Taphephobia
is the idea of simply just
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the fear of being buried alive.
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Edgar Allan Poe, who wrote
about premature burial
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was terrified
of being buried alive.
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Frédéric Chopin,
the composer, wanted to be
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stabbed in the heart
and bled out to make sure
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that he was dead when doctors
believed that he was.
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And even George Washington was
so afraid of being buried alive
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that he had written in his will
that his body had to remain
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in bed for three days
after they thought he was dead
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to make sure
that he didn't come back.
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KEITH EGGENER:
It was estimated by the 1890s
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that some two percent of people
being buried were buried alive.
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Now, this is a gross
exaggeration, no doubt,
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but it was believed at the time.
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Enough so, that organizations
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like the London Association
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for the Prevention
of Premature Burial
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was founded in 1896.
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And they lobbied parliament
for greater diligence
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on the part of doctors
to make sure that doctors
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were verifying death.
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SHATNER:
Despite doctors' best efforts,
it was simply difficult
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at the time to determine whether
a person was alive or dead.
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And so, in order
to ease people's minds,
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authorities in Europe were
forced to take drastic measures.
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Within this storied city, lies
the Vienna Central Cemetery,
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the second largest cemetery
in the entire world.
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In the heart of the cemetery
stands a small building
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that today houses a museum.
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But in the 19th century, it was
referred to as a Leichenhaus.
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The Leichenhaus was
a kind of mortuary where
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corpses were kept for a period,
typically about three days,
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and watched over by attendants
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to make sure that
a person was truly dead
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and wouldn't be buried alive
in a state of coma or catalepsy.
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SHATNER:
In modern times,
it may sound a little disturbing
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to hear that doctors
once stabbed their patients
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in order to determine
whether they were alive or dead.
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But the truth is that
the hysteria
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about being buried alive
was so prevalent
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that an entire industry
sprang up to help calm
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such fears by producing
bizarre contraptions
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that were known
as safety coffins.
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LAYCOCK:
If you were afraid
of being buried alive,
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the solution
was the safety coffin.
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And this began
very simply with a bell
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tied to a string that went down
under the earth into the coffin.
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And if you were buried alive,
and you woke up in a coffin,
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you could pull that string,
the bell would ring,
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and hopefully, somebody would
hear it and come dig you out.
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And this tradition is where
we get the expression
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"saved by the bell."
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And if you had more money,
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safety coffins
could get more elaborate.
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They could add air tubes,
they could add windows,
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so you would have some lights
inside the-the coffin.
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And there were even cases
of people buried
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with a key in their pocket,
so they could unlock the casket
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from the inside,
if this happens.
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EGGENER:
There were loads of patents
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taken up
for these safety coffins.
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And they would
include devices like
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little flags
that could be raised.
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Sometimes
safety coffins included
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food or water,
they would have breathing tubes,
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they might even
include periscopes.
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One of the best-known ones,
really, belonged to
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a doctor named Timothy Clark
from Vermont.
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He came up with
his own safety coffin device.
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He had a set of stone stairs
installed next to his grave
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that could be opened up
by a concrete block
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that was sitting beside it.
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That way, anyone could
get down to rescue him
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if he needed to be rescued.
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But the real kicker
to the whole thing
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was that he had
a glass window installed
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directly over his face,
set into the stone.
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However, he died in 1893,
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and the doctors
did not make a mistake.
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He really was dead.
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SHATNER:
Safety coffins may seem like
a quaint fad from a bygone era
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that has no relevance
in our world today.
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But believe it or not, there
have been some recent cases
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in which people appear to have
been mistakenly buried alive.
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Being buried alive
is very, very rare, uh,
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at least in our own time,
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but it does still
occasionally happen.
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As recently as 2018,
there was a case in Brazil
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where a woman
woke up in her grave,
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and is thought to have survived
for 11 days there.
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TAYLOR:
Being buried alive
doesn't happen nearly as often
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as it used to,
but if you think about it,
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waking up in a coffin
would be probably one of
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the most terrifying things
that could ever happen to you.
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SHATNER:
The very idea that a small
mistake due to negligence
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or misdiagnosis
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could cause one
to be buried alive
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is a terrifying thought.
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But it's often what we can't see
that instills fear the most.
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Like in the case
of an ancient predator
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who still lurks
beneath the ocean's surface
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with a frightening history
of hunting for human flesh.
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SHATNER:
25-year-old Charles Vansant
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is swimming
in the brisk Atlantic waters
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off the coast
of this resort community...
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...when he's suddenly attacked
by a massive shark.
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Lifeguards pull Vansant
from the water
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and see that his left thigh
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has been stripped of its flesh
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by a massive set
of razor-sharp jaws.
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CAPUZZO:
The story is that
they had to almost
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wrestle him away from the shark.
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As they pulled him ashore with
the shark following him still,
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his father, who was a doctor,
operated on him
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or tried to save his life, but
he died of a flesh wound
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to a bite on his thigh,
actually,
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and, uh, loss of blood.
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SHATNER:
The gory death
of Charles Vansant
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was the first recorded fatal
shark attack in U.S. history.
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And then, on July 6th,
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a mere five days
after Vansant was killed,
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there was another attack
along the Jersey Shore.
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Charles Bruder,
who's a 27-year-old
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Swiss native
who was in the Army,
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went for a swim,
and 1,200 feet out,
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in the middle of the day,
was attacked
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and bitten by what
appeared to be about
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an eight or nine foot
great white shark.
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Severed his legs
and a part of his torso.
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By the time
the lifeguards got out there,
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there was hardly anything
to lift into the boat.
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SHATNER:
This second deadly attack
was widely reported
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in newspapers across the country
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and set off a nationwide panic.
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Many people believed
it was no longer safe
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to swim in the ocean off
the coast of New Jersey,
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and several beaches
were closed by the authorities.
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The public reaction
was hysterical.
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There were calls all the way up
to President Wilson.
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Woodrow Wilson
had a cabinet meeting
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and talked to the early men
who founded the Coast Guard
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about eradicating all the sharks
on the east coast.
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Bounties were given
by towns and cities
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and anybody that could kill
any shark could get $100.
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You had fisherman going out,
catching and killing sharks.
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And it wasn't
just in New Jersey.
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It was all up and down
the Eastern Seaboard
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and even infiltrated
into the coastal states;
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Texas, Louisiana,
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and as far as the Pacific coast
of North America.
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SHATNER:
Less than one week
after Charles Bruder was killed,
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on July 12th,
three more people were attacked
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by what many witnesses claimed
was an eight or nine-foot shark.
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Curiously, all five
of these incidents took place
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along a 50-mile stretch
off the coast of New Jersey.
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Because of their proximity,
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and the similarities
between eyewitness accounts,
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many began to wonder
whether the horrific attacks
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could have been the work
of a single killer shark.
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The New Jersey attacks
are so strange
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'cause sharks don't kill people
with any kind of regularity,
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and nobody witnesses it
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with any kind of regularity
when it happens.
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But the concept of a rogue shark
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that kills or injures one person
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and that gets a taste
for human flesh
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and goes after another
like a serial killer,
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the Jersey Shore
may be the best evidence
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we have
that that's ever happened.
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SHATNER:
On July 14th, 1916,
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two weeks after
the first fatal attack,
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a taxidermist
named Michael Schleisser
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caught a seven and a half-foot,
325 pound great white shark
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off the northern end
of the Jersey Shore.
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After cutting open its stomach,
authorities found what appeared
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to be partially digested
human remains.
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There are many
who believe that this
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great white shark was
responsible for all five attacks
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that took place,
four of which were fatal.
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Fatal shark attacks on humans
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are seldom
predatory for feeding.
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So what was going on that would
cause a series of five attacks
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over a 11-day period?
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What was behind all of this?
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People panicked.
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No one wanted
to go in the ocean.
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So, its effect on individuals,
citizens, was enormous.
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And it was something that,
to this day,
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still has an effect on us.
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SHATNER:
The 1916 Jersey Shore attacks
helped to popularize
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the notion of sharks
as deadly man-eaters.
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More than 50 years later,
the killings inspired
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the 1974 novel Jaws
by Peter Benchley,
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which became the basis
of the blockbuster film
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made by Steven Spielberg
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that terrorized
generations of beachgoers.
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But despite
their bad reputation,
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the truth is that
sharks rarely kill humans.
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According to statistics gathered
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by the International Shark
Attack File, on average,
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there are only five fatal shark
attacks worldwide per year.
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So why does the belief
persist that some sharks
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are a serious threat to humans?
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NIALL McCANN:
Sharks, unsurprisingly,
have terrified people
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forever because
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sharks live an enormous amount
of their life out of sight.
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Unlike terrestrial species
that we can see,
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sharks live underwater,
and the only time
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that we really interact
with sharks
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is when they come to the
surface, and that tends to be
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in antagonistic circumstances
with people.
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Traditional island cultures
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have had multiple deities
that have shark appearance,
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and that comes from
an inherent fear
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that we are at risk of sharks.
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They have this power
of life or death over us.
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TOK THOMPSON:
Sharks are apex predators.
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The idea that sharks
can be celebrated in a culture
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might seem a bit odd.
After all, they do kill people.
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But there's a couple of things
to consider.
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One is that they are recognized
as apex predators,
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and this is something
that people often aspire to.
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Also, the idea that
these are apex predators
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and you'd better
understand them.
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COLLIER:
Over the years, sharks,
especially white sharks,
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have been portrayed as killers.
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Unfortunately, people
are killed from time to time.
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It has been postulated
that white shark's hunting
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have similarities
into the tactics
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utilized by serial killers.
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Serial killers use what is
referred to as an anchor point,
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which is where
they will sit and watch
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and pick their victim.
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White sharks do the same thing.
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White sharks
like to hunt stealth,
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where the intended victim
can't see them.
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CORBIN MAXEY:
A lot of people often
look at sharks and think
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that there's nothing going on,
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but great whites
are intelligent animals.
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We've watched
great whites attack seals.
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And you'll find
the older great whites
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will pick out specific
individuals, usually young ones.
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It's very methodical.
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So, it is 100% possible
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that some sharks
like the taste of people.
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SHATNER:
Are there certain sharks
that specifically
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and methodically hunt people?
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Some marine biologists
have suggested it's possible.
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But if this theory is true,
then what's even more disturbing
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is that a killer shark
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may keep stalking people
for a very long, long time.
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Great whites can live
to be 80-plus years old.
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There's some accounts
of specimens being over 100.
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They study their subjects
just like a serial killer.
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They learn from their mistakes
just like a serial killer.
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That's terrifying.
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SHATNER:
Coming face to face
with a predator
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like a great white shark would
be terrifying, to say the least.
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Just imagining an encounter
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with a dangerous creature
can trigger our primal fear
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of being overtaken by something
much stronger than us.
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Like in the case
of a powerful presence
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that can possess the human soul.
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SHATNER:
Anneliese Michel,
a 20-year-old student
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at the University of Würzburg,
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claims that she's hearing
disembodied voices...
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...and seeing visions
of the Devil.
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Before long,
her family comes to believe
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that Anneliese suffers from
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a condition
that defies understanding.
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Demonic possession.
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Anneliese Michel
was indeed tormented
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by a possessing something.
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She spoke in a horrendously
growly voice.
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(indistinct, growly gibberish)
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PICKNETT:
Her eyes seemed to go black,
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and she had a great aversion
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to holy statues,
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which there were
a great many in the house
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because they were
very pious Catholics.
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And she was taken to a doctor,
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who said she might be epileptic,
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um, and she was taken
to a psychiatrist,
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and nothing changed in her life.
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In fact, she was getting
worse and worse.
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BADER:
Her family believed from
the beginning she was possessed.
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The Catholic Church
accepted that framework
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and engaged in the exorcism.
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Ultimately, Anneliese Michel
died of starvation
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and dehydration over the course
of numerous exorcisms.
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This was a case
where that belief
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directly led to her death.
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What we cannot say for certain
is what was really going on.
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I can't say that she for sure
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was not possessed
or for sure was.
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SHATNER:
The story of Anneliese Michel
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is perhaps the best-known case
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of an alleged
demonic possession.
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But what happened to her?
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Was she actually
possessed by demons?
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And if so, how does one identify
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when a person's mind and body
have been taken over by Satan?
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RICHARD GALLAGHER:
During the course of my career,
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I've witnessed a number of cases
of possession in my life, but
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I definitely started
as a skeptic.
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I certainly never thought
I would see anything
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sort of paranormal or diabolic.
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A priest who, I guess,
knew I was Catholic--
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I don't exactly know
how he got my name--
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but he came to my office when I
was at Cornell medical college.
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And he said, "Dr. Gallagher,
I'd like you to, uh,
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"evaluate someone for me
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who I think
has a demonic attack."
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And I said "Well,
with all due respect, Father,
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"you know, I'm an
academic psychiatrist,
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and I'm pretty skeptical
of those sort of things."
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And I remember
what he said to me, he said,
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"You're the perfect man
for the job
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because we want somebody
who's skeptical."
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Of course, in the years since,
you know, 25-plus years,
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I've seen so much
that I'm not a skeptic anymore.
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There are very strict criteria
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which clearly have to be present
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to distinguish the case
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from a psychiatric
or a medical disorder.
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You have to see something
that is inexplicable
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in terms of purely
materialist science.
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Things that could not possibly
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manifest in somebody who
doesn't have a diabolic attack.
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The first case sent to me
was a woman who claimed
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that she would be lying in bed,
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and she would be pummeled
by invisible forces.
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She and her husband
were convinced that
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she was attacked by demons.
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So, we did a number
of medical tests on her
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because she had bruises
all over her body.
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And at the end
of my evaluations--
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and she was a very sane,
lovely woman--
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I said to the priest,
"Look, this doesn't seem like
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a medical or psychiatric case,
it doesn't seem possible."
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SHATNER:
Mysterious bruises
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inflicted by invisible forces?
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While that may sound
like something
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out of a Hollywood horror movie,
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the truth is that
accounts of possession
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have been recorded
for thousands of years.
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Any scholar can tell you
cases of demonic possession
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go all the way back
to the Bible.
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When Jesus had to cast
the demon out of a man
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into a herd of swine,
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who then ran off of a cliff
and into the water.
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Very famous story in the Bible.
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And stories
of demonic possession,
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they are not confined
to Christianity.
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The idea of possession
is inherently tied to the idea
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of Satan and demons,
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and is an attempt by Satan
to take over your personality
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to ultimately control you.
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Satan's end game,
according to the Bible,
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is to draw as many people
away from Christ as possible.
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So, his endgame
is to get as many people
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to move from God to him.
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So, his ultimate role
is as a tempter.
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The film The Exorcist
is believed to have really
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brought attention
to the idea of possession,
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but it's not that those ideas
started with The Exorcist.
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Those ideas spread
with The Exorcist.
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MONSIGNOR STEPHEN ROSSETTI:
The Exorcist was actually based
on a real case.
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It was a 12-year-old boy
who was possessed, not a girl.
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How did he get possessed?
Using a Ouija board for months.
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Start doing something occult,
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that creates an inner
vulnerability to evil.
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You're using magic that
does not come from the Lord.
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You might not know this,
but you're actually invoking
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the powers of Satan,
whether you believe it or not.
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GALLAGHER:
Most people who are possessed,
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in a sense,
they've invited it in,
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wittingly or unwittingly.
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Possession is
the most dramatic attack
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of a demon upon a human being.
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And in a way...
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...spiritual warfare should be
a concern of everybody.
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That we're all
sort of in a battle
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in our own souls
between goodness and evil.
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It's frightening
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to think that a person can be
controlled by an evil entity.
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And while it's difficult
to determine
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if possession is a spiritual
or a psychological phenomenon,
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perhaps even more terrifying
is the biological aberration
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that can turn the deceased
into the walking dead.
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SHATNER:
In this small village,
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Angelina Narcisse
was going about her day
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when she was approached by a man
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claiming to be her brother,
Clairvius.
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It may sound like
a heartwarming tale of reunion,
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but there was just one problem.
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Clairvius Narcisse
had been dead and buried
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for nearly 20 years.
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DONNELLY:
Clairvius was a Haitian man
born in 1922.
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In the year 1962,
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he went to, uh, a hospital.
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His symptoms
had been a severe fever,
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fatigue, and he'd been
coughing up blood.
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His heart stopped,
and he stopped breathing,
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and was declared dead
and buried.
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20 years later,
a man claiming to be Clairvius
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showed up at his village
and approached his family.
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In many respects,
his story did check out.
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He beared a physical resemblance
to the deceased.
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He went by a nickname
that was only known to him
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and his sister when they
were very little kids.
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And so, he was able
to relate certain details
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of his former life
that seemed to add up.
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SHATNER:
But if Clairvius Narcisse
died and was buried,
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then how on Earth was he alive
and able to track down
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his sister
almost 20 years later?
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Well, according to Clairvius,
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the reason he was not
lying dead in his grave
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was that a voodoo priest
had transformed him
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into a zombie.
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In Haiti,
a zombie is an individual
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who's had their soul
stolen by sorcery,
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causing them to be sort of
flung into a perpetual, uh,
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place of purgatory through
this incredible transition
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of death, rebirth,
and return to the living,
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induced by the folk poison
known as a pudzombie.
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It was a plethora
of ingredients,
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including various plants
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and the toxin from a fish.
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It selectively blocks
sodium channels and nerves,
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bringing on paralysis
until the moment of death.
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And yet, critically,
if you get through that,
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you have nothing to worry about.
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This fascinating poison
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had made people
appear to be dead.
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In Haitian folklore
specifically,
492
00:27:08,083 --> 00:27:10,667
the zombie is-is not a villain,
but a victim.
493
00:27:10,833 --> 00:27:14,833
In these cases,
people are turned into zombies
494
00:27:15,042 --> 00:27:18,333
and forced to work on
sugarcane plantations in Haiti
495
00:27:18,458 --> 00:27:21,000
and elsewhere in the Caribbean,
but primarily Haiti.
496
00:27:21,125 --> 00:27:23,792
And this has been a legend
going back
497
00:27:23,958 --> 00:27:26,625
many, many, many years,
centuries, in some cases.
498
00:27:26,792 --> 00:27:28,208
Certainly since the slave trade.
499
00:27:28,417 --> 00:27:31,083
And it was all considered
to be just sort of a legend
500
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:34,833
until 1980, when
Clairvius Narcisse emerged.
501
00:27:35,958 --> 00:27:38,625
He told the story, it made
huge news, as you can imagine,
502
00:27:38,792 --> 00:27:40,708
because this is
a first-person account
503
00:27:40,875 --> 00:27:42,667
of somebody who's
a former zombie, right?
504
00:27:42,875 --> 00:27:45,000
So, this is wild. This is crazy.
505
00:27:45,917 --> 00:27:48,667
According to Clairvius, um,
506
00:27:48,875 --> 00:27:51,625
he had been paralyzed
by a voodoo priest.
507
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:55,250
This was a result
of being drugged, um,
508
00:27:55,417 --> 00:27:59,833
and this paste mixture
that he was forced to consume
509
00:28:00,042 --> 00:28:03,042
kept him
in this deathlike toper.
510
00:28:04,125 --> 00:28:06,625
Narcisse was buried,
511
00:28:06,833 --> 00:28:11,625
and the priest then
dug him up from his grave
512
00:28:11,792 --> 00:28:16,667
and enslaved him on a sugarcane
plantation for 20 years.
513
00:28:16,875 --> 00:28:20,208
DAVIS:
From the Haitian point of view,
the fate of a zombie
514
00:28:20,375 --> 00:28:23,792
is said to be to become
an indentured servant.
515
00:28:23,917 --> 00:28:26,500
And losing your soul,
losing your identity,
516
00:28:26,625 --> 00:28:27,875
your personal autonomy,
517
00:28:28,042 --> 00:28:32,417
combined to make this
a fate worse than death.
518
00:28:32,542 --> 00:28:36,375
SHATNER:
The story of Clairvius Narcisse
being buried and then revived
519
00:28:36,542 --> 00:28:40,875
as an undead zombie
made headlines around the world.
520
00:28:41,042 --> 00:28:44,167
Numerous experts investigated
the case in hopes
521
00:28:44,333 --> 00:28:48,125
of shedding light
on what exactly took place.
522
00:28:48,292 --> 00:28:52,167
The first question
on everyone's mind was whether
523
00:28:52,375 --> 00:28:56,167
Clairvius had only appeared to
be dead because he was drugged
524
00:28:56,375 --> 00:29:00,167
or if there was some truth
to the idea
525
00:29:00,375 --> 00:29:02,625
that he actually died
526
00:29:02,792 --> 00:29:06,333
and was then revived
by the power of voodoo.
527
00:29:07,333 --> 00:29:11,792
What made the case of Narcisse
unique was one single thing.
528
00:29:11,917 --> 00:29:14,042
He had been pronounced dead
529
00:29:14,208 --> 00:29:18,167
in an American-directed
philanthropic institution,
530
00:29:18,375 --> 00:29:19,875
the Schweitzer Hospital.
531
00:29:20,042 --> 00:29:23,875
And his family members
had witnessed the death
532
00:29:24,042 --> 00:29:27,333
and authenticated it
at the time.
533
00:29:27,542 --> 00:29:30,250
So, all these lines of evidence
534
00:29:30,375 --> 00:29:34,625
led scientists to go public
in the 1980s
535
00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:36,792
saying they felt
they had found the first
536
00:29:36,958 --> 00:29:40,375
medically verifiable instance
of zombification.
537
00:29:42,167 --> 00:29:46,375
DONNELLY:
The doctors who had initially
declared Narcisse dead
538
00:29:46,542 --> 00:29:50,125
were no longer at the hospital
20 years later when he returned.
539
00:29:50,292 --> 00:29:53,833
However, many doctors
looked into, um, his case,
540
00:29:54,042 --> 00:29:56,792
and did tests and proved
that it was, in fact, him.
541
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,250
Why the premature diagnosis
542
00:30:00,375 --> 00:30:03,167
and why he was buried
prematurely is unknown,
543
00:30:03,292 --> 00:30:07,333
and where he was
for 20 years is unknown,
544
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:10,750
but there are photos of him
sitting on his own gravestone.
545
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:17,208
SHATNER:
There are many theories as to
what caused Clairvius Narcisse
546
00:30:17,375 --> 00:30:21,167
to be declared dead and then
seemingly brought back to life.
547
00:30:21,333 --> 00:30:23,875
Ultimately, what happened to him
remains a mystery,
548
00:30:24,042 --> 00:30:26,667
but many Haitians are convinced
549
00:30:26,792 --> 00:30:29,292
that Clairvius did, in fact,
550
00:30:29,458 --> 00:30:32,458
rise from the grave.
551
00:30:33,708 --> 00:30:37,083
And for some,
his story is a reminder
552
00:30:37,208 --> 00:30:39,667
that the distinction
between the living and the dead
553
00:30:39,792 --> 00:30:43,292
may not be as clear-cut
as we commonly think.
554
00:30:44,375 --> 00:30:47,125
DONNELLY:
When we imagine zombies
in the 21st century,
555
00:30:47,250 --> 00:30:49,792
we tend to imagine
the dead rising
556
00:30:49,917 --> 00:30:52,125
from the grave
to prey upon the living.
557
00:30:52,292 --> 00:30:56,458
That is not the case
in Haitian voodoo practices.
558
00:30:56,667 --> 00:30:58,292
Zombification in voodoo
559
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:00,750
was not something
that was done to the dead.
560
00:31:00,917 --> 00:31:02,667
It was something
that was done to the living.
561
00:31:02,875 --> 00:31:05,208
It was turning the living into
562
00:31:05,375 --> 00:31:08,875
a fugue-like state,
a deathlike state,
563
00:31:09,042 --> 00:31:12,292
um, but they were not
reanimated corpses.
564
00:31:12,458 --> 00:31:16,167
DAVIS:
Narcisse never doubted
that he'd become a zombie.
565
00:31:16,333 --> 00:31:19,417
In Haiti,
a zombie is a complete pariah,
566
00:31:19,542 --> 00:31:22,750
who walks the edge between
life and death and will do so
567
00:31:22,958 --> 00:31:24,958
for the rest of their existence.
568
00:31:25,083 --> 00:31:30,000
And so, this idea
that a person could be
569
00:31:30,208 --> 00:31:34,000
brought back to life
fills all of us with mystery
570
00:31:34,125 --> 00:31:36,542
and trepidation and dread.
571
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:40,333
SHATNER:
The prospect that any of us
could become a reanimated
572
00:31:40,542 --> 00:31:44,125
husk of our former selves
is a haunting image.
573
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:47,792
But just how one joins the ranks
574
00:31:47,958 --> 00:31:49,542
of the walking dead
is debatable.
575
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:53,083
Is it a biological response?
576
00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:55,625
A psychological phenomenon?
577
00:31:56,208 --> 00:31:59,792
Or could there really be
something to the power
578
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,542
of a deadly curse?
579
00:32:09,542 --> 00:32:13,375
SHATNER:
Just outside the city,
on a normal suburban street
580
00:32:13,542 --> 00:32:15,167
in an ordinary neighborhood
581
00:32:15,333 --> 00:32:19,167
is the home
of Greg and Dana Newkirk.
582
00:32:19,333 --> 00:32:22,250
From the outside, their home
is not much different
583
00:32:22,458 --> 00:32:23,875
from any other house
on the block.
584
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,833
-Get some fork action going on.
-Yeah.
585
00:32:26,917 --> 00:32:32,417
SHATNER:
But inside, it contains
something quite extraordinary.
586
00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:36,167
Because there is a room
in the basement that is filled
587
00:32:36,333 --> 00:32:38,667
with a collection
of strange objects,
588
00:32:38,833 --> 00:32:42,000
sent by people
from all over the world,
589
00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:45,708
that are believed to be cursed.
590
00:32:46,708 --> 00:32:51,000
Greg and I lead normal lives,
and we go about our life
591
00:32:51,125 --> 00:32:52,958
the same way
that everyone else does.
592
00:32:53,083 --> 00:32:58,042
We just happen to be caretakers
for very strange objects.
593
00:32:58,208 --> 00:33:00,333
The way that we got started
collecting cursed objects
594
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:01,667
was complete accident.
595
00:33:02,708 --> 00:33:05,500
It wasn't something
that we had set out to do.
596
00:33:05,667 --> 00:33:08,833
Never would have imagined
myself doing this.
597
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,708
We were just interested
in-in general weirdness.
598
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:17,333
My wife and I investigate
all manner of high strangeness,
599
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:22,875
and we were both very interested
in the idea of cursed objects.
600
00:33:23,042 --> 00:33:25,542
We slowly gained
a reputation as being
601
00:33:25,708 --> 00:33:27,583
particularly good people
for this.
602
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:31,042
And so, anytime anyone had
a problem with an artifact,
603
00:33:31,208 --> 00:33:32,750
they would come to us and say,
604
00:33:32,958 --> 00:33:34,125
"I don't know
what to do with this.
605
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:36,417
"This thing
is affecting my life.
606
00:33:36,583 --> 00:33:38,000
"Will you just
take it off my hands?
607
00:33:38,167 --> 00:33:39,417
"It'd be easier
to just give it to you
608
00:33:39,583 --> 00:33:40,583
and let you deal with it."
609
00:33:40,792 --> 00:33:42,333
So, we built up this collection
610
00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:44,208
of very bizarre things.
611
00:33:45,833 --> 00:33:48,833
SHATNER:
Visitors to the Newkirk's home
are given ample warning
612
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,667
that the basement is filled
with objects that are cursed.
613
00:33:53,833 --> 00:33:57,167
We have a lot of haunted robes.
614
00:33:57,375 --> 00:34:00,750
SHATNER:
But curiously, every day,
the Newkirks receive requests
615
00:34:00,917 --> 00:34:05,292
from people who are eager
to view their cursed collection.
616
00:34:05,458 --> 00:34:07,083
JASON W. OCKER:
You'd think with cursed objects,
617
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:10,958
you want to avoid them,
but there is a draw to them.
618
00:34:11,125 --> 00:34:13,083
When an object
is said to be cursed,
619
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:15,083
another word you could use
is "special." It's special.
620
00:34:15,208 --> 00:34:17,000
If this chair is cursed,
621
00:34:17,167 --> 00:34:19,458
it's different from
every other chair in the world.
622
00:34:19,667 --> 00:34:21,667
And that makes it unique.
That makes it interesting.
623
00:34:21,833 --> 00:34:23,833
And that draws our attention
every single time.
624
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,792
And the fact that
that specialness
625
00:34:25,917 --> 00:34:27,500
is that it hurts people--
626
00:34:27,667 --> 00:34:29,167
that appeals
to a certain macabre streak
627
00:34:29,292 --> 00:34:31,167
that we all have
as human beings.
628
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:37,208
DANA:
People think of cursed objects
as being kind of fun and spooky.
629
00:34:37,375 --> 00:34:40,333
But working with them,
it feels a lot less
630
00:34:40,542 --> 00:34:43,417
about that and a lot more
about that kind of heavy
631
00:34:43,583 --> 00:34:46,500
responsibility to keep
some of these objects with us
632
00:34:46,708 --> 00:34:50,333
under lock and key and maybe
out of the wrong hands.
633
00:34:50,417 --> 00:34:52,667
And maybe in a place
that's safer, not only
634
00:34:52,875 --> 00:34:54,583
for everyone else,
but for them.
635
00:34:56,292 --> 00:34:58,542
SHATNER:
The Newkirk's collection
includes several objects
636
00:34:58,750 --> 00:35:02,000
that are considered to have
the power to inflict harm
637
00:35:02,167 --> 00:35:04,458
on anyone who comes near them.
638
00:35:05,458 --> 00:35:08,792
This is the cursed deer skull.
639
00:35:08,917 --> 00:35:10,542
We drove down
to Nashville to pick up
640
00:35:10,708 --> 00:35:14,500
from a woman who saw this
in an antique store and
641
00:35:14,667 --> 00:35:17,958
took it back to her office
and almost immediately,
642
00:35:18,083 --> 00:35:20,333
her employees
started getting sick.
643
00:35:20,542 --> 00:35:22,208
One of her employees
was hit by a car.
644
00:35:22,375 --> 00:35:26,167
And then the wall
that this was hanging on
645
00:35:26,333 --> 00:35:28,708
actually fell down and took
half of the building with it.
646
00:35:30,417 --> 00:35:33,458
DANA:
There are certain objects
specifically in our museum that,
647
00:35:33,625 --> 00:35:35,792
without people knowing
why they feel
648
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,875
the way that they feel,
649
00:35:38,042 --> 00:35:41,667
they will definitely have
heart palpitations, anxiety.
650
00:35:41,833 --> 00:35:45,917
We've had people almost faint.
We've had people throw up.
651
00:35:46,042 --> 00:35:48,167
We've had people dry heave.
652
00:35:48,250 --> 00:35:50,375
People have very visceral,
physical reactions
653
00:35:50,583 --> 00:35:52,750
to being around
some of the objects.
654
00:35:55,792 --> 00:35:58,625
SHATNER:
Among the cursed objects
in the Newkirks' collection
655
00:35:58,792 --> 00:36:03,833
is a deadly ring that is claimed
to kill anyone who wears it,
656
00:36:04,042 --> 00:36:07,583
a Bible used during
a failed exorcism,
657
00:36:07,708 --> 00:36:13,000
and a doll that is believed to
spread illness wherever it goes.
658
00:36:14,042 --> 00:36:17,292
But of all the cursed objects
the Newkirks have come across,
659
00:36:17,417 --> 00:36:20,458
there is one
that is so harrowing
660
00:36:20,625 --> 00:36:22,583
they refused to keep it
in their collection.
661
00:36:22,792 --> 00:36:28,542
It is an unsettling wooden
effigy known as the Crone.
662
00:36:28,708 --> 00:36:31,500
DANA:
The Crone really is
the definition of
663
00:36:31,708 --> 00:36:33,500
kind of a cursed object.
664
00:36:33,667 --> 00:36:36,167
It is a carved statue
of a woman.
665
00:36:36,375 --> 00:36:38,833
Someone at some point in time
666
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,208
took this object and attached
the noose and the nails.
667
00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:46,625
It was given to us
by some hikers who found it
668
00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:50,375
in the Catskills
off the beaten path in a cave.
669
00:36:51,333 --> 00:36:54,292
They took it home
and initially started
670
00:36:54,417 --> 00:36:56,333
to experience
really frightening things.
671
00:36:56,417 --> 00:36:58,333
Their animals
were behaving strangely,
672
00:36:58,542 --> 00:37:01,125
they were finding wet footprints
on the ground,
673
00:37:01,292 --> 00:37:03,500
and they didn't know what to do.
674
00:37:03,708 --> 00:37:05,917
Someone who we had
worked with previously
675
00:37:06,083 --> 00:37:07,417
put them in contact with us,
676
00:37:07,583 --> 00:37:10,333
and after, you know,
having some communication
677
00:37:10,542 --> 00:37:12,708
with them, they-they sent
the Crone to us.
678
00:37:13,875 --> 00:37:16,792
GREG:
People who would get near
the Crone,
679
00:37:16,875 --> 00:37:19,750
they would be just
overwhelmed with anxiety.
680
00:37:21,042 --> 00:37:23,917
This guy came
all the way from Canada
681
00:37:24,083 --> 00:37:26,292
to come and see the Crone.
682
00:37:26,458 --> 00:37:28,750
He begged us
to take it out of the box.
683
00:37:30,083 --> 00:37:32,292
Almost immediately,
684
00:37:32,458 --> 00:37:34,208
his eyes roll up
in the back of his head,
685
00:37:34,375 --> 00:37:36,500
and he starts to bleed
from his mouth,
686
00:37:37,167 --> 00:37:38,667
and he has a violent seizure
687
00:37:38,833 --> 00:37:41,667
and he has to be taken out
by the paramedics.
688
00:37:41,875 --> 00:37:43,417
And that's when Dana and I
looked at each other,
689
00:37:43,583 --> 00:37:45,250
and we said, "We have to do
something about this."
690
00:37:50,167 --> 00:37:51,542
SHATNER:
The Catskill Mountains.
691
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:54,542
October 2018.
692
00:37:54,708 --> 00:37:57,667
After a string
of frightening incidents,
693
00:37:57,875 --> 00:38:00,333
Greg and Dana Newkirk
are convinced
694
00:38:00,542 --> 00:38:02,500
that a strange object
in their possession,
695
00:38:02,667 --> 00:38:06,958
known as the Crone, is cursed.
696
00:38:08,708 --> 00:38:10,708
So they've traveled
to this remote region
697
00:38:10,875 --> 00:38:15,667
of Upstate New York to free
themselves of the evil object.
698
00:38:17,583 --> 00:38:19,500
The Crone is one
of the objects that
699
00:38:19,667 --> 00:38:21,708
does fall into that very small
category of objects
700
00:38:21,917 --> 00:38:24,417
that we didn't feel like
we could handle.
701
00:38:25,625 --> 00:38:27,583
It got to a point
where the Crone was just
702
00:38:27,792 --> 00:38:30,292
too dangerous for even us
to take care of.
703
00:38:30,458 --> 00:38:33,042
And what we wanted to do was
704
00:38:33,208 --> 00:38:37,958
bring her back to the Catskills,
which is where she's from.
705
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,500
SHATNER:
To remove the Crone's curse,
the Newkirks' plan
706
00:38:43,708 --> 00:38:46,625
was to return to the area
where it was originally found
707
00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:49,500
by two hikers many years before.
708
00:38:49,667 --> 00:38:53,125
At which point,
they would remove the nails
709
00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:56,708
embedded in the Crone
in a cleansing ritual.
710
00:38:57,708 --> 00:38:59,333
DANA:
We wanted to bring her back,
711
00:38:59,458 --> 00:39:02,333
and every time a nail
was pulled out,
712
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,833
the intention was that
we were pulling
713
00:39:05,042 --> 00:39:06,458
that curse out of the object.
714
00:39:08,292 --> 00:39:12,167
We hiked into the woods
for miles,
715
00:39:12,292 --> 00:39:15,500
and I set up a circle.
716
00:39:15,708 --> 00:39:18,958
The idea of setting up a circle
was basically just to create
717
00:39:19,125 --> 00:39:22,000
an energetic space
for containing this ritual.
718
00:39:23,208 --> 00:39:24,958
And the whole time
we were doing this,
719
00:39:25,125 --> 00:39:26,708
we were hearing footsteps...
720
00:39:28,542 --> 00:39:31,458
...and strange sounds
that weren't animals
721
00:39:31,625 --> 00:39:34,292
around our circle,
722
00:39:34,458 --> 00:39:36,750
but we couldn't see anything.
723
00:39:38,333 --> 00:39:40,125
GREG:
We were absolutely terrified,
724
00:39:40,292 --> 00:39:42,333
but we start
performing the ritual.
725
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:44,167
I pull the nails out.
726
00:39:44,333 --> 00:39:46,375
As soon as that happens,
727
00:39:46,542 --> 00:39:50,792
we feel this almost
electric pop in the air.
728
00:39:52,458 --> 00:39:54,500
When we were done, every coyote
729
00:39:54,708 --> 00:39:56,375
on the mountain
just started howling.
730
00:39:57,417 --> 00:39:59,167
And the ritual was finished,
731
00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:02,792
and what we were looking at
was just a block of wood.
732
00:40:02,917 --> 00:40:05,083
And we just kind of knew
that we had done
733
00:40:05,250 --> 00:40:07,083
what we went there to do.
734
00:40:08,917 --> 00:40:12,167
Scholars of religion have
long known the power of ritual,
735
00:40:12,375 --> 00:40:13,917
that when a group of people
get together
736
00:40:14,042 --> 00:40:16,000
and engage
in the same set of actions,
737
00:40:16,208 --> 00:40:19,292
believing that there's a
supernatural origin behind them,
738
00:40:19,458 --> 00:40:20,917
that brings people together.
739
00:40:21,125 --> 00:40:25,167
And so, special movements
that you need to go through,
740
00:40:25,375 --> 00:40:29,292
special sayings or songs
that you need to do,
741
00:40:29,417 --> 00:40:32,333
it's incredibly powerful
phenomena
742
00:40:32,542 --> 00:40:34,792
that can help rid us
of the devil
743
00:40:34,917 --> 00:40:38,042
or whatever other force
has cursed us.
744
00:40:39,042 --> 00:40:42,125
SHATNER:
Is it possible
that ritually cleansing
745
00:40:42,250 --> 00:40:44,792
the Crone removed its curse?
746
00:40:44,958 --> 00:40:47,167
Perhaps.
747
00:40:47,375 --> 00:40:49,625
But of course,
it all depends on whether
748
00:40:49,792 --> 00:40:53,625
you believe curses are real
in the first place.
749
00:40:53,792 --> 00:40:56,167
Whether you believe
in cursed objects
750
00:40:56,375 --> 00:40:57,667
or don't believe
in cursed objects,
751
00:40:57,792 --> 00:40:59,833
they can still have
a power over you.
752
00:41:01,417 --> 00:41:02,917
What that power is,
753
00:41:03,125 --> 00:41:06,417
to what extent that is,
how it's kind of comes out,
754
00:41:06,583 --> 00:41:08,708
who knows.
755
00:41:08,917 --> 00:41:11,292
But they're still
powerful objects,
756
00:41:11,417 --> 00:41:12,458
no matter how you look at it.
757
00:41:13,833 --> 00:41:15,875
GREG:
For people who
don't believe in curses,
758
00:41:16,042 --> 00:41:19,500
what I would say is keep
believing they're not real.
759
00:41:19,667 --> 00:41:23,000
That's the best defense
you have against a curse,
760
00:41:23,125 --> 00:41:25,000
is to not feed it.
761
00:41:26,333 --> 00:41:29,167
So, what do you think?
762
00:41:29,375 --> 00:41:33,542
Is there good reason we should
take heed of our primal fears
763
00:41:33,708 --> 00:41:37,208
and follow intuition
when our heart starts to race
764
00:41:37,417 --> 00:41:40,083
and we tremble
and thoughts turn to dread
765
00:41:40,292 --> 00:41:41,958
and impending danger?
766
00:41:42,167 --> 00:41:44,750
There are good reasons
for our body and mind
767
00:41:44,917 --> 00:41:48,000
to protect us
from obvious risks,
768
00:41:48,167 --> 00:41:51,750
but exactly why we've become
frightened of dark entities,
769
00:41:51,958 --> 00:41:56,167
unseen evil, and unholy objects
770
00:41:56,333 --> 00:42:00,667
may be better left unexplained.
771
00:42:00,833 --> 00:42:02,500
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