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All right, today's show truly is a

warning sign for every parent watching.

We're going to meet these seemingly

innocent 16-year-old identical twins.

But in reality, they're not innocent.

They're violent. They're destructive.

And in fact, they're downright

dangerous, especially to each other.

Now, the moment we heard the extent and

frequency of the twins violence, we

accelerated our process to get the whole

family here. I feel they're in dire

straits. So, we got them here before

something serious happened. Take a look.

Our 16-year-old identical twins are out

of control. Drew and Dallas fight daily.

I hit your door and you go, "Right, try

that again." My brother and I, we fight

probably a couple times a day.

No, you no. Get out of here. Get away

from me. Dallas talks to me like I'm a

piece of trash. I egg him on because uh

he's asking for it. And then I said no.

And then you started flipping your

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Drew and Dallas have done damage to our

home. That's Dallas's door. Bunch of

holes in his walls in here. It's pretty

much a mess. They've ruined their

furniture. Graffiti their bedrooms. Boys

smoke marijuana for breakfast, lunch,

and dinner.

9:00 comes every single morning. My

brother's busting down my door if it's

locked. Hey, will you smoke me a bull? I

got to go to work. I was standing by his

door. He was jump. I'm going to knock

you the out. And he's up in my face

yelling, screaming at me. So I just hit

him with a right hook and dropped him

onto my stuff.

Drew and Dallas were both charged with

domestic violence. I told the police,

"Arest him and take them away." Every

day he'd go in my room, steal my pot,

and it got to a point where you I bought

a $40 lock from my door. Within two

hours, he had jumped through my door,

busted the whole door down, knocked

himself out, cut his ear in half. Our

house is a time bomb, ready to explode.

I feel like they may come in my room in

the middle of the night and beat me in

the head with a hammer. I can't take it

anymore.

You say the twins have broken bones.

They've broken teeth. I mean, there one

of them got his teeth knocked out the

other day, right? Yes. Yeah. They've

graffitied their room. They They've

knocked holes in the door. This is their

room. It's escalated to this. This is

their room at home. Yes. Okay. So, where

have y'all been? What have you been

doing about it? We called the police. I

said, "Take them away. I I can't handle

this." Are they in charge? You get in

the middle of them, you're going to get

knocked down and nothing's going to

happen. Our police don't take them away.

So, they're in charge. Stop in. They're

in charge of our house right now. Okay.

And you say you fear they could come in

in the middle of the night and smash

your head in with a hammer. Well, you

know, that's that's an example of a

thought that has crossed my mind. Yeah.

And I thought, "Wow, it's got this bad

to where that thought entered my mind."

You say that the twins smoke marijuana

for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. They

do. Yes. And you know this because you

told this to us. I've told them a

million times that get that crap out of

my out of my house. But you you realize

that they're how old? 16. They'll be 17

next month. And they drink.

Mhm. And you know it. And you say you

know it. Mhm. So are do you worry about

being charged with contributing to the

delinquency of a minor? Yes, I do. I do.

You need to be. I know that. We are. So

they got high on mushrooms, you said.

And and Drew ran naked around the house

and around the neighborhood. Had to go

to the ER for IV fluids. Uh, Dallas

drank a fifth of Bikardi and got hit by

a truck.

Then you get a text from Drew. Dallas

knocked my teeth out. So you call the

cops. You say just take him to jail. You

say, Drew's broken his hand twice. Both

in fights

and had surgery twice on both broken

hands. And you say, "Our house is a time

bomb." And I admit to giving the twins

what they want to keep the peace. I

have. What do I do? They refuse

counseling. The police will not step in.

What do I do? We thought about running

away. We text each other last week from

work and said, "Let's get in the car.

We've got a few hundred. Let's change

our appearance. Let's just go start

over. That's how bad it is. It might

sound funny, but I'm desperate. I don't

know what to do, and I can't get any

help." So, there's drug paraphernalia

all over the house. They don't They

smoke it with their bedroom shut and the

doors there. the door open or they jump

out their bedroom. Well, problem solved

then. Yeah, we were gone. We were gone

and they made marijuana brownies not too

long ago and he came home and said,

"Wow, someone made brownies." And he ate

one.

You caught Drew in your bed having sex

with a girl. Yes. And so what do they

say when you say this is not okay? What

are you doing? Get out. We confronted

them both right then and right there.

Get out. and she got up and left. Bye.

Do dealers come to the house?

Not that I know of. Uh, ask your

husband. Yes, they have.

You're indignant. I don't know. At this

point, I'm pretty desperate.

It sounds to me like you'd say, "Well,

just wait a second. I'll get Drew or

I'll get Dallas." Oh, heavens, no. And

I'll say, "This is my house. This is not

fine. leave my house

now. And they don't. They just look at

me like, "Come on, let's go." Then what

do you do? I grab the phone and say,

"I'm gonna call the cops." And they

leave. Well, I tell you what, we're

going to hear what the twins have to say

about all this. Take a look.

I think the main problem in my household

is Drew's anger problems. He comes in,

"Give me that. Give me that." Rips it

out of my hand. I truly don't think I'm

a angry person. Drew threatened to kill

me. He's threatened to stomp me. He's

threatened to break every single thing I

have. The last time I broke my hand, my

brother and I had got into an argument

and I ended up punching him in the back

of the head. I think he's jealous of me,

but I also think that's not my problem.

I feel that since he started hanging out

with his best friend, his attitude

rubbed off on him. He thinks everything

is a competition between me and him.

I've been in a lot of fights. My brother

was just the one who was there with me,

you know, getting my back. He thinks

that I can beat his ass. I don't want to

beat his ass. I know I can. When Dallas

drinks, he drinks to get drunk. My

brother calls me, "Hey, dude. You think

you could bring me my stuff?" And I

drove up to where he was. And sure

enough, here comes my brother stumbling

down the middle of the road. He just

freaked out and he started punching the

side of my truck. I'm yelling, "I told

you, let me in this freaking cab." So, I

left and I I went straight home. I ended

up having to walk home and got hit by a

truck. That was partially my brother's

fault. If my brother didn't have his

anger problems, he would have drove me

home that night. The violence and anger

has just got to end. I'm afraid that

Drew or Dallas are going to end up dead.

You get in fights with each other.

You're wrecking cars, smoking

dope, putting graffiti in your room,

ignoring your parents. What the hell are

you thinking? All right. When I get home

from work, you know, first thing they

tell me to do, pick up the clothes. you

know, that maybe they had washed for me,

you know, so they're sitting out in the

living room. They wanted me to go hang

them up, but they're hounding me. Get

your clo get your clothes done. I need

to eat something, take a shower, then

I'm going to do it, you know. But is it

still there the next morning? A lot of

times sometimes, but it's because

honestly, are we talking about whether

he picks up his t-shirt or not? Is that

what we're here to talk about? Honest to

God, I mean, come on, guys. You can't be

that clueless.

We're really going to spend time talking

about whether he picked me because

that's what he wants to do. Like they

they nag me when I get home about

picking up my stuff. So, Dr. Phil, let's

spend some time talking about that. So,

we don't spend time talking about the

fact that I violently attack my brother,

that I knock doors down throughout the

house, I painted graffiti in my room,

wrecked the car, do drugs illegally

every day. Let's talk about picking up

my t-shirt so we don't have to talk

about that stuff. Come on. Do you not

see deflection here when it happens?

Yes. You

just Let's not talk about picking up

your t-shirt. Let's talk about you

smoking dope every day all day. Okay.

All right. Let's talk about that. What's

your theory about how that's okay? I do

it because it's my choice. I mean,

someday I'll move on and I'll It isn't

your choice. You're 16. It's illegal.

It's against the law. Okay. Then whose

choice is it? My parents. They tell You

know, they tell me I can't smoke. Okay.

That's right. because they're your

parents and they're responsible for you

and it's against the law. Okay.

I mean, not to be disrespectful, but you

know how many people are out there

smoking anyways? Do you know how many

people are sitting in that chair right

now? Yeah. You. Yeah. So, I don't care

about everybody out on the street. I'm

talking about you and you. Okay. So, I'm

I'm waiting for your theory about how

it's okay. I'm going to do it because I

like it. Yeah. Because we want to. I

choose to sit in my room and smoke

marijuana. Do you guys see what you're

doing to us? The marijuana isn't what

makes you my house. That usually is

because you invade his privacy and break

his door down or enter his room to get

what you want. I He's still asleep and

he's not a morning guy. He's like me.

You know, I don't want to be hassled or

talked to a lot the second I climb out

of bed. Let me get my bearings here

because I'm just no country boy and I I

don't move as fast as everybody else

here.

We're talking about the

fact that he's not a morning person,

right? And he should respect that. And

let me talk let me let me be sure I got

it down right here because what actually

happened that you boil down to now you

need to know he's not a morning person

is that you got up that morning and you

wanted some dope and you didn't have any

and it was in his room. So you go

banging on the door and break the door

down to get in and then you knock his

teeth out because of that. But that's

not how it goes. He's just not mourning

people. You're right about that.

Well, you we we put everything together.

It doesn't happen like that. My bong was

out in the cold shed that I didn't want

to walk out to. I had my own marijuana,

so I walked in his room and grabbed it.

Oh, well that quietly. Okay. Well, that

explains it. I didn't knock his door

down. And I did not knock, you know. So

you had no choice but to go get his off

the shelf.

Okay. Well, now I get it.

So you knock his teeth out. Yeah. It

didn't happen that way. Um let's see.

When we when I got my teeth knocked out

that morning, let's see. I I went in his

bedroom or No, I had already been

punched. I already been punched because

he told me he was going to knock me the

out. So I told him to do it. Okay. And

then he did it. He punched me in the

face and I made fun of him. Hang on a

second. Hang on a second. Now, you may

not respect their house, but you will

respect mine. And do not use that

language in front of my audience. You

understand? You want to try me? That's

the easy way to do it. You don't

disrespect these

people. You got it. I got it. All we're

going to take a break. Teresa says the

twins refuse to go to counseling. Dan

says he isn't good at punishing. So,

we're going to find about all the

mistakes the parents may be making, and

I'm going to show you how to make sure

you're not setting yourself up to wind

up right here in this circumstance.

I've got Drew in the act more than once

in my house. Last year, I was having sex

on their bed and he comes walking down

the hall. The door was open. I came home

and Drew and his girlfriend were

actually in my bed going at it. Didn't

even hear him come in. I told him to get

up, get all the sheets and blankets off

the bed, and get him in the washer. Now,

well, that was Dan talking about the

time he caught his teenage son in the

master bedroom with a girl. He and his

wife, Teresa, say, "These kids are just

out of control. They don't know what to

do. I'm here with all of them, twins,

Drew and Dallas." Why his bed? Um

because I had a bunk bed at the time and

I really I couldn't, you know, I didn't

like to hit my back on the metal

bars and she didn't like to either.

Okay. Why do you object to your brother

having friends? I don't like the kid he

hangs out with. And the kid starts

coming over every single day, staying

the night every single day, eating our

food for lunch, breakfast, dinner. And

it's okay because he drives Dallas

around a little bit. Does he like your

friends? Um, Dallas, I don't have

friends. Why do you not have friends?

I don't know. I don't like to go hang

out with people. You do, too. You're

overwhelming for your friends. And you

want friends, and you want him to be

your best friend. That's the problem.

I want him. I know you want him. He

doesn't want you. Do you not? That's why

counseling. Do you not like your

brother?

I like my brother. It's your anger,

Drew, that gets him. Oh, please, mother.

Please. I yell at him when he's calling

me. He eggs me on. I'm sorry. I have bad

mouth. Yes.

You know, I don't have anger problems. I

let it out when I need to or when I when

it's I feel it's it's an expression.

It's not an emotion for me. It's an

expression. I show that I'm angry

because he's he's made it that way for

me. How he does that to me. He's hurt

you. Yeah. He makes me shake and freak

out

like how much anger he makes me have. I

can't control it. He's like, he's the

ticking time bomb with his attitude.

What is it like? Um, I don't know.

Instantly come to my room. Hey, smoke me

out right now. I got to go to work.

Smoke me out right now. It's like, no,

I'm not going to smoke you out. If you

want to smoke, get your own stuff, you

know? And then, and then if since I said

no, then he's going to start throwing a

flip. Like, fine, you're never smoking

my stuff. You're never touching this

again. You know, I don't know. And it,

you know, I'm not. So, you're fighting

over drugs. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes

smoking pot doesn't bring me down at

all. I mean, I I'm moving on. I I've got

my job in school. I've never missed a

credit.

3.5 or above student since I've been in

elementary school. You know, big deal. I

smoke a little pot. Don't bug me about

it. It's on my own

time. Leave me alone. Why are you

crying?

I'm not proud of being a pot smoker. I

don't want all my friends to watch this

TV show and see me crying and talking

about how much spot I smoke. I'm not

proud of it. Why do you do it? Cuz I

like it. I might not be proud of it, but

you know, that's why I try not to do it

around some people, you know.

I don't know. I wouldn't be up here

smoking. You know, I didn't bring stuff

with me in California. How about you?

What? I just feel

hurt being here talking about our

problems.

I like to walk past my problems and just

ignore them like they're not there.

Do you care at all what

impact your choices and behaviors are

having on your parents? Do you care at

all? No, I don't feel my choices have an

impact on them unless maybe I hit a

fence like this guy did or something

that may cost him money. Me smoking pot

and not getting caught by the law or

anything that doesn't affect them. I'm

talking about the fact that they are so

stressed out to the point that they just

want to run away that it's eating them

alive. The house is chaotic. Would you

agree the house is chaotic? Yeah, it's

the screaming and yelling, not the

violence. I don't before him hitting me.

When was the last time that happened? I

don't know. Yeah, I couldn't tell you.

We're the same age. He looks like me.

Have has the same friends as me. You

live with You live with yourself. But

this is this is like Tell me you

wouldn't hate that.

No, I I I do not want to live with Dr.

Phil. I

All right, we're going to take a break.

Next. Whenever you have one member of

family who's out of control, they impact

everybody. They affect all the other

members of the family.

I can't be treated this way anymore. I

don't know how much longer my wife can

take it. I cannot have my house wrecked

any longer. I seem to have lost control

of my house and I need help getting it

back.

Well, we're talking with Dan and Teresa

who say they've just lost control of

their 16-year-old twins, Drew and

Dallas. And you guys say we just do what

we want to do because we want to do it

and it's nobody's business but ours,

right? Mhm. You know, you can go to jail

for illegal drugs, right? Yeah, but I

plan on quitting that one day. I mean, I

may do it now, but I'm not in jail, am

I? I'm on Dr. Phil. Yeah. I need you to

quit now. All right. I've got a timeline

of the twins behavior because you say

this stuff just happens ever so often.

But in 2006, you vandalized an empty

house. Mhm. Okay. So, you were how old

at that time? I was in sixth grade. No.

Sixth and seventh grade. It was a

neighbor's house, right? And he he made

you mad. That neighbor whitewashed me.

And you know what? He moved and you know

what? I thought that was payback. So you

went and vandalized his house. Yeah.

See, you say that like Yes, of course I

did. I didn't like him. So I went and

destroyed I know it was wrong. I know it

was wrong and it was I don't go out with

graffiti anymore. It's a crime. Yeah. Do

I do it anymore? No. I don't know. Yeah.

When was the last time? 2007. Drew

breaks his hand fighting a kid at camp,

right? Kid punched me in the face. I

warned him if he if he did it again, I'd

beat his ass and he did it again. So 08,

you you guys start smoking pot in '08,

right? So it's been three, four years or

was it before that? 08's when we first

started and then we quit for two years

until 9th grade summer. 2010, Dan

catches Drew having sex in his bed. June

11, Dallas charged with reckless driving

and hit and run. You left the scene.

Yeah. Why? Um I mean it was my first

wreck. I didn't I didn't know what to

do. I just left. I mean, it was wrong,

but you know, next time I won't. So, you

lose your license and there's $10,000 in

fees and damages. Yeah. You know, I'm I

know. I know. I put them out of some

money for now. You know, they're getting

it back slowly. So, you destroyed the

fender on the car. And then in August of

11, you back into a moving car. $2,700

in damages. Then you break your hand

punching Dallas. That's the second time

you broke your hand. Yeah. No, you

didn't break your hand punching me. Yes.

No, you didn't. Yeah, I did. I had to

have pins put in Dallas. Maybe. No,

Dallas. I punched you in the back of the

head when you were on the ground and I

had pins put in my hand. Surgery. That's

obviously a broken hand. All right,

then. Then all right. Yeah, then you

broke your hand. Well, don't get in a

fight about it now. Then September 11,

Dallas and Drew get high from illegal

mushrooms. Drew, you have to go to the

hospital, right? New Year's Eve, 2011,

Drew gets driven home by someone who

didn't even have a driver's license.

January, Dallas knocks out a boy in gym

class. Yeah. So then you've broken down

his bedroom door twice, right? Yeah. And

then you got hit by a truck. Yeah. And

then you're admitted to the hospital for

alcohol poisoning. I went to the

hospital because I got hit by a truck.

No. No, that's not. You were

unresponsive. They took me to shallow

breathing. Dallas, you were shallow

breathing. It was shallow breathing

because I got hit by a truck. No. I was

walking home. I was completely fine that

night. I might I might have killed a

fist and had too much alcohol. But did I

get alcohol poisoning? No.

You did. Am I ever going to drink that

much again? No. But are you ever going

to drink again? Yeah. We'll see. You

just told me you were fine. I said we'll

see. You said you may have killed a

fifth. Yeah, I I killed a fifth of

vodka. Yes. 151 proof. And how much does

it weigh? 130. No, actually it wasn't

151 proof. It was 80 proof. Well, I'm

just saying

Dan and I were gone to a funeral and

while we were gone, Drew and Dallas ate

an overdose of

hallucinogenic mushrooms. He was

completely gone. My heart rate dropped

to like 41 beats per second or

something. I'm I'm holding him, shake

his face, get him looking at eye

contact. He's Dan and I drove 7 hours

back home straight to the hospital. We

found Drew in the hospital bed.

Well, that was Drew in Dallas talking

about the night Drew went to the

hospital after taking illegal drugs.

These were mushrooms. Now, their

parents, Dan and Teresa, say they're

actually afraid to live in the same

house at this point because the twins

are so violent and out of control that

they've actually thought about just

running away. Do Do you all get that all

of this affects your your family? And I,

you know, I've got I wanted to show you

something here. And I

I've you know, you guys think I you just

do what you want to do cuz you want to

do it. And you think that's just me.

That's just me. I'm just out here and

that's just me. But what you don't

understand is your relationship with

each other. Then two of you are

together. But then when you two start

fighting, it creates absolute

chaos in the house. Every member of the

house is is affected. Everybody's

moving. This one affects this one. This

one affects this one. This one affects

this one. And what you get is absolute

chaos. And that's what your house is

like, right? Yes. And you two think,

well, no, it's just us. We can get out

here and just do what we want to do. But

that's just simply not right. Everybody

affects everybody

else. And you wind up with chaos, which

is exactly what you've got here. Nobody

in a family can move without affecting

the other people in the

family. Everything interacts. Do you all

get what I'm saying? Oh yes. And you

enable these kids. I mean both of you

allow them to smoke pot. You have made

the decision that that's okay. You make

empty threats. You you say yourself

you're not good at it. You're not good

at punishing. You threaten to take the

keys and the cell phone, but you never

do. They know you don't. I have, but it

gets worse with people yelling

and pissed off and we get I don't know.

I get tired of listening to it. And so

you cave it. I'll cave. I cave cuz

someone's going to get hurt and I'm

going to spend the whole night at the

hospital again. I work. I don't have

time to spend at the dentist and the

hospitals. Hey, they're your kids. I

don't know what to do. It has to stop.

They think it doesn't have any effect on

you. This just no problem. They're fine.

and they do what they want to do. It's

their life. They do it. Do y'all have

y'all ever heard the word empathy? We

went over the definition of that in

health like a couple weeks ago. In

health a couple weeks ago. Empathy is

like a feeling of you can feel what

someone else is feeling or something

like that. Isn't it that's close? It

means you have the

ability, the

sensitivity, the maturity to say I can

understand and relate to how they feel.

And it means if your mother is

frantic and just so overroought and

upset because of whatever it might be.

If you were empathetic with her, you

could understand how she

felt. And with that comes a measure of

caring that you care what the impact is

on your mother or your father. If you

had empathy for your

brother, you would know that there are

certain things that really hurt him. I

have empath empathy for everybody. I

know what hurts and and so if you but if

you did unless you're just trying to be

mean and hurtful. That's exactly what it

is. Then you wouldn't do things that

would would cause pain in somebody that

you love and care about. Yeah. I do it

because he's hurt me. Oh, come I don't

know giving him back. Yeah. Yeah. So,

that's a very reactive mode. That's not

a very mature mode. You know, a a mature

mode might be to sit down and have a

conversation where you said, "Look, when

you do this, it it really hurts me. So,

I'm going to ask you not to do that. And

if there are things that I do that hurt

you, then I want you to tell me. And

we're going to try to be more mature and

grow in this relationship." So it

doesn't get to the point where we're so

frustrated, so angry that we just, you

know, just want to knock the door down

or want to hit each other or call each

other names. And one thing we know is

that your brains aren't through growing

yet. They'll grow until you're 25. And

the last part of it that grows is the

part that helps you predict the

consequences of your actions. And you

there are certain things you can't see

which is why you have to rely on your

parents to do that. If you knew what I

knew about smoking as much dope as

you're smoking at your age, you would

probably throw up right now. Well, I

because it changes the neurology in your

brain. And I know you don't believe

that. Yeah, I know. But I have a

bachelor's, master's, and PhD.

And I spent an awful lot of time on

brain and central nervous system and I

do know that and I do read the research.

I do know the studies and you're just

wrong. Yeah. You know, it's just I'll be

happy to. I am wrong. Big deal. I'm

sorry. What' you say? Said I am wrong.

Big deal. Well, it is a big deal. See,

this is this is where the part comes in

where it's hard for you to understand

the consequences of your choices. You

say big deal. It isn't a big deal to you

right now, but it can be a big deal to

you later when you go,

"Wow, I I wish I hadn't done some of the

things that I've done." We're all in

that situation at some point or another.

You just hope that somebody's there to

contain you and and move you forward.

Well, I'm back with Teresa, Dan, Drew,

and Dallas, and I'm I'm really curious.

Do you think you have any responsibility

in the fact that this family is chaotic?

Um, no, I don't. He points to my anger

problems. So, it's just if we could calm

him down. Yeah. I think I think if he

didn't flip out about every little

thing, there'd be nothing wrong with us.

But using a little thing, you guys want

to do an experiment with me? Yeah. Okay.

I want you guys to stand right here and

face each other. Stand right here.

You're here. You're good. You're right

here. Want you face each other. Okay.

Now, I want you to look each other in

the eye and don't look away. And Drew, I

want you to tell your brother what you

say to yourself after he has called you

names and pushed you away. I want you to

tell him what you think and feel. It

hurts me.

I don't like it at all and I want it to

stop.

Tell him how it hurts you.

First kid to ever punch me in the face

made that name up and I don't like it.

Makes me think of

that. Dallas, look at him. Is that what

you want him to feel? I mean, do you

want him to go say, "Okay, I remember

now that kid bullied me and hurt me, and

now my brother's doing it." I mean, is

that is that your goal? Is that what you

want him to feel? Um, when I say, "Yeah,

that's how I want him to feel." Mhm. Cuz

I think he deserves it. What you mean

when I say it?

How do you want him to feel about

himself overall? I think he should feel

good about himself.

Be proud of yourself.

You ever done anything to him you're

sorry for? You ever sorry for hurting

his feelings? No.

Just don't care. Cuz at the time he

deserves it.

Um I don't feel I hurt his feelings. I

feel he hurt heard himself. Doesn't

matter what other people think about

you.

I know.

So why do you let the name bug you? It

doesn't bug me. It hurts me on the

inside. And there's nothing I can do

about it. The subject, I don't know how

many times I've displayed it to you. The

subject hurts me.

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Do you care that this is painful for

him? Why would I care?

Because he's experiencing pain when he

talks about it. I'm I'm experiencing

pain. I didn't ask about you. I asked

you about him. Oh,

yeah.

Um I don't know. Do you wish he was

happy and self-confident instead

of vulnerable and and painful? Yeah. I

wish he was confident about himself and

wasn't so jealous of my friends. Doesn't

matter how many friends I have and how

many friends you have. I'm not jealous

of your friends. It pisses me off when

people tell me that cuz I'm not. Okay. I

have my

own. I don't only have one friend. I

have one friend that I enjoy to go over

to his house. The rest of them I hate. I

don't like people.

So you disrespect my friends. I don't

like them. So they disrespect me in my

own household. They your attitude, how

you treat me, they think they can.

Well, you know, sometimes when I got my

friends in my room out, it doesn't

matter if I stay out.

I'm still the pe your piece of brother.

Yeah.

Well, because you know why you are?

Because you're throwing a fit the whole

time my friends are over. No, I'm not.

Yeah, you are

jealous. True. You're jealous. I'm not

jealous. You want Dallas to

yourself. You do. You do. I don't want

his friend staying the night every night

cuz there's no need. You want to be with

him all the time. No, I'd like to see my

brother alone every once in a while.

Okay, I'm getting ready to send you guys

off. Do you have any questions for me?

Um, like to get your autograph after the

show. Get your autograph after.

AJ, if you would take these two for me,

please. Let them spend some time

together.

You have any questions for me? Can you

help them?

No, I I can't I I can't help them. Can

you help us? I can help this family.

Yeah. But the the problem is not them.

And real real seriously, I want y'all to

hear what I'm saying now. Um, it's not

too late for these boys. They're both

intelligent

and they're both

articulate and they're both damaged.

Drew is in a lot of pain and it

expresses in anger, but it's just below

the surface and he wants more than

anything to be accepted by his brother.

But his

brother is kind of moving away from him

because he finds his brother to be kind

of needy. Yes. And he has kind of a cool

and aloof way of dealing with

things. Um, you know, are you sorry when

you say things that you know hurt your

brother? Yeah.

Yeah. He's being honest. He's just

telling you that at that point I'm being

honest. The biggest problem those boys

have got is you.

And I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be ugly

or rude. The time for you to have

intervened with these boys and made

certain that you got them to respect

authority and respect boundaries and

respect

themselves was when they were three,

four, and five years old. And two things

need to happen. I I think they are on

the cusp of serious problems in their

lives. And I what I would do is I would

take the opportunity to put both of them

in separate schools somewhere away from

the two of you and away from each other

at this point. I would put them in a

residential therapeutic school at this

point.

And while they were

gone, I would work the two of you so

hard on redefining your definition of

parenting and boundaries and, you know,

setting a a an environment for these

kids to return to that you would do as

much work as they did while they were

gone. You have allowed this to advance

to the point that it is now beyond the

ability to fix in the home. Mhm. They've

got to go outside the home and they're

very likely to resist that and I'm

willing to make that available to you,

but the parents have to be out of the

loop. That's the only way that it that

it works. They need to be in a highly

structured controlled environment. If

not, I would predict both of them are

going to wind up in prison. Yes. Because

they have no respect for boundaries.

They have no respect for authorities.

And this is our gift to your family. But

you you have to do the work while

they're gone. When they get there, the

success rate is incredibly high. And

when they're gone, you got to figure out

how we're going to have to completely

redefine this. We're more than happy to

do that. Dr. Bill, do you have a story

or a question for me? Click the link in

the description and tell me what in the

world is going on.