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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:03,100 [woman on TV] Playboy is looking for a pinup girl. 2 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:05,260 [Crystal Kahl] If you think of who is going to be in layboy, 3 00:00:05,260 --> 00:00:07,800 well, Lesia. Perfect. 4 00:00:09,460 --> 00:00:13,460 [Kimbyrleigha Morse] Lesia Kahl went from an unknown waitress 5 00:00:13,460 --> 00:00:17,330 to a Playboy ensation overnight. 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,700 But posing nude for Playboy can put a target on your back. 7 00:00:24,700 --> 00:00:27,400 [Jason Shanks] Lesia's boyfriend had a surprise waiting, 8 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:29,660 but she never showed up. 9 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:32,560 [Sgt. JJ Coughlin] As soon as I walked in the room, 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,860 I knew it was a double murder. 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,160 How could someone look at her and do this? 12 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:42,460 Something's not adding up here at all. 13 00:00:44,260 --> 00:00:46,260 What a hot [bleep] mess. 14 00:00:47,260 --> 00:00:48,900 [screaming] 15 00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:04,360 [JJ] In 1985, I was a police officer 16 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,660 assigned to the Homicide Division 17 00:01:07,660 --> 00:01:09,860 of the Dallas Police Department. 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,560 I had to be at work at 7:00 a.m., 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:14,700 so I was in bed. 20 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:17,200 But we had a pager. 21 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:21,000 And, you know, when that pager went off, 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,800 you knew that your sleep was over for the night 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,260 because you were going on an adventure. 24 00:01:29,460 --> 00:01:30,900 It was a little after midnight 25 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:33,560 when we got called to the scene 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,660 to investigate a murder. 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,560 [Jason] Two murder victims in a home 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,960 in that upscale, affluent neighborhood, 29 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:44,800 yeah, that was-- that's very out of place. 30 00:01:47,260 --> 00:01:51,560 In my career, I was the lead detective on 196 murders. 31 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,360 I found them in every kind of condition. 32 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,700 As soon as we looked around the house, 33 00:01:56,700 --> 00:02:00,160 we find two people, a man and a woman, 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,260 both bloodied and beat and obviously deceased. 35 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,060 There's blood everywhere. 36 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,960 There wasn't the, as I call, 37 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,200 the odor of death on the scene, 38 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,000 so we knew that it had just happened. 39 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:23,900 But we did determine that the female 40 00:02:23,900 --> 00:02:28,000 that was found in that house was a layboy model. 41 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,830 Lesia Kahl. 42 00:02:32,260 --> 00:02:36,360 [Jason] Lesia had just appeared in the layboy issue 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,260 that featured Texas girls. 44 00:02:44,260 --> 00:02:46,260 [Holly Madison] Playboy was always looking for the type of girl 45 00:02:46,260 --> 00:02:49,460 from a small town who could just jump off of the page. 46 00:02:50,660 --> 00:02:53,700 They wanted somebody who was beautiful, fresh-faced, 47 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:55,160 that would make the reader feel like 48 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,360 they could possibly meet this girl. 49 00:02:58,860 --> 00:03:02,260 So layboy would scout places like universities, 50 00:03:02,260 --> 00:03:04,860 upscale bars, things like that, 51 00:03:04,860 --> 00:03:08,660 to find women that might not hear about it otherwise. 52 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,960 So the whole process for the Girls of Texas 53 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,560 started in the early part of 1984. 54 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,000 Playboy ent looking for new talent. 55 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,660 Someone like Lesia Kahl. 56 00:03:27,260 --> 00:03:28,700 [Crystal] Lesia was beautiful. 57 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:31,760 Lesia and I were very close. 58 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,100 We were a big family, five children. 59 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:37,800 Lesia was the oldest. 60 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,800 I was number two. 61 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,400 With my dad being in the Air Force, 62 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,000 we moved a lot. 63 00:03:45,260 --> 00:03:48,100 I remember I was going into the eighth grade 64 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:50,160 and she was going into the ninth grade. 65 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,860 And one of these girls said, 66 00:03:53,860 --> 00:03:57,200 "Here comes your sister, the bitch." 67 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:03,100 And she said, "Nobody talks to my sister that way." 68 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,560 That was so cool. 69 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:08,760 She was a badass. 70 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,760 After high school, 71 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,060 our parents got orders to go to Germany. 72 00:04:18,060 --> 00:04:19,700 Lesia and I didn't want to go. 73 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,260 That's when I moved out to Dallas. 74 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:25,860 I just wanted Lesia to come with me. 75 00:04:26,660 --> 00:04:30,900 And she did. She arrived early '83. 76 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:39,400 This was the first time that we were both in a city-city. 77 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,260 We were in the nightlife. 78 00:04:43,260 --> 00:04:48,760 [Christina Hughes Babb] The vibe in Dallas in the '80s was very sexually charged. 79 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,660 It was always crazy 80 00:04:51,660 --> 00:04:55,060 with people being out until the sun came up. 81 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,160 Pretty much everybody in the country was excited about Texas girls. 82 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,360 The Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders were just starting out, 83 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,360 and I think that was part of the kind of hype 84 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,860 that was going on. 85 00:05:11,300 --> 00:05:15,660 And, of course, Dallas as one of the most popular shows. 86 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:18,100 [Holly] Dallas was a huge show in the '80s. 87 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:20,400 The sets were like so over-the-top, 88 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,800 like fantasy upscale. 89 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,560 The hair was big, there was a lot of makeup, 90 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,960 so it was very much high glamor in the '80s. 91 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,400 [Sunny Abercrombie] Confetti was the nightclub. 92 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,400 There would be a queue around the building 93 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,660 every night to get in. 94 00:05:39,860 --> 00:05:42,760 So Lesia gets a job as a waitress there. 95 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,860 [Sunny] I was a coworker and a really good friend of Lesia, 96 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:50,000 and we did a lot of fun things together, 97 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,260 had some crazy nights at that nightclub. 98 00:05:53,260 --> 00:05:55,160 It was just a really, really fun place 99 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,800 to be girls in the skimpy outfits. 100 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,860 You would go on the stage and you would perform. 101 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:02,660 So you've got to be kind of an outgoing person. 102 00:06:02,660 --> 00:06:05,000 And she just exuded something special. 103 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:06,900 And the guys loved her. 104 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,400 [Crystal] Around spring of 1984, Lesia's been here a year, 105 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,060 she's working at Confetti's, and there's an ad that says, 106 00:06:22,060 --> 00:06:24,800 "Playboy agazine is coming to Texas 107 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,800 and is looking for some models." 108 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,300 [woman on TV] Playboy is looking for a pinup girl. 109 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:33,600 [Holly] So around that time, Playboy increased their cross-country searches 110 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,560 to open up opportunities for women from smaller cities 111 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,100 to go be met in person and submit themselves. 112 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:43,660 But also it was great publicity for the brand. 113 00:06:44,860 --> 00:06:49,560 Playboy s huge. It is a dream for so many women. 114 00:06:50,660 --> 00:06:51,800 If you will, come right over here. 115 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,160 I'm gonna show you how to pose. 116 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,560 You wanna tilt your head. 117 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,760 [David] I was with layboy as a photographer 118 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,900 from the late '70s up through 2003 or 2004. 119 00:07:01,900 --> 00:07:03,960 So around 23, 24 years. 120 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,460 I want you to drop your chin down just a touch. 121 00:07:05,460 --> 00:07:06,660 Right there. Hold it. 122 00:07:07,700 --> 00:07:09,500 [Holly] I never met David personally, 123 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:11,300 but I've seen his name everywhere. 124 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:12,500 He was a regular at Playboy. 125 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:13,960 He shot so many things. 126 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,060 Um, lean into this way a little bit. 127 00:07:16,060 --> 00:07:17,360 [David] When I came on board, 128 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,700 another photographer had been going out 129 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:21,760 to the various big college conferences, 130 00:07:22,660 --> 00:07:24,900 doing these college girl pictorials, 131 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,260 and it became very popular. 132 00:07:28,660 --> 00:07:31,700 So that's where they started thinking in terms of 133 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:35,060 using either identities or jobs 134 00:07:35,060 --> 00:07:37,800 as a premise for the pictorials themselves. 135 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:42,000 And I was sent to several cities. 136 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,860 And we'd set up camp in a really nice hotel, 137 00:07:44,860 --> 00:07:46,360 and then I would see girls. 138 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,160 And it was just an amazing way to meet these potential models 139 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,260 that ended up being either pictorial girls or a playmate. 140 00:07:58,260 --> 00:08:00,760 My very first experience trying out for Playboy 141 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,760 was when I was in college in Portland, Oregon. 142 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,500 Playboy was searching for a special playmate 143 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:09,100 for the year 2000 issue. 144 00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:10,860 I called ahead and found out, you know, 145 00:08:10,860 --> 00:08:13,460 I needed to bring a bikini and go down there. 146 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:16,260 So that's what I did. 147 00:08:16,260 --> 00:08:18,600 And I didn't get into the magazine that way. 148 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,260 I didn't appear in the magazine 149 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:24,260 until I had already been living 150 00:08:24,260 --> 00:08:26,160 at the Playboy Mansion for several years, 151 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,360 and we started doing a reality show. 152 00:08:29,660 --> 00:08:30,760 But back in the '80s, 153 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,700 people either had to mail their photos in 154 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:36,330 or they had to show up for a casting. 155 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,200 [David] They sent me out to do the Girls of Texas 156 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,600 in the early part of 1984. 157 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,400 [Crystal] If you think of who is going to be in layboy, 158 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,760 someone sophisticated, classy, grace. 159 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,260 Well, Lesia. Perfect. 160 00:08:58,260 --> 00:09:00,260 This is perfect. 161 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:05,760 There's an advertisement for a big casting 162 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,400 at the DoubleTree Hotel. 163 00:09:11,500 --> 00:09:14,860 And I thought, "I'm going to the DoubleTree Hotel 164 00:09:14,860 --> 00:09:17,960 to pick up pamphlets and flyers for Lesia." 165 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,100 And I was going to take them to her and go, 166 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:20,400 "You have got to do this." 167 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,400 I'm a loan processor. 168 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,360 It was very important to me to always look professional. 169 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,460 So I walk in, the other women in there 170 00:09:30,460 --> 00:09:32,100 were not dressed like me at all. 171 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,200 I'm in this dress, buttoned up to here. 172 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,260 This lady comes to me and she says, 173 00:09:39,260 --> 00:09:40,800 "Can you come back here, please?" 174 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,160 And then we go into one of the suites. 175 00:09:43,860 --> 00:09:45,100 She looks me up and down. 176 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:49,160 And then comes back with two swimsuits 177 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:52,060 and asked me to put one on. 178 00:09:52,900 --> 00:09:55,560 When Crystal came in to get the information 179 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:57,760 for her sister, Lesia, 180 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,400 I thought she was very attractive, 181 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,100 and I immediately knew that I could photograph her. 182 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,100 [Crystal] The photographer that was in there, he goes, 183 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:09,260 "I just want to take a couple of Polaroids of you." 184 00:10:10,660 --> 00:10:13,000 I've never done anything like that before. 185 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,560 But, Playboy, their reputation was great. 186 00:10:17,460 --> 00:10:18,800 And so I did it. 187 00:10:21,260 --> 00:10:23,760 Crystal kept talking about her sister. 188 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,000 And I go, "Look, I'm sure your sister is wonderful. 189 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,260 I can't wait to meet her." 190 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:29,800 And I said, "Come back with your sister 191 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,500 I can do an interview with both of you." 192 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,400 I thought it would be really cool 193 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,600 to have sisters in the pictorial. 194 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,900 I needed to get to Lesia fast 195 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:40,960 because she'd be working tomorrow. 196 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,560 She needs to get the night off. 197 00:10:44,460 --> 00:10:45,560 I go to see her and go, 198 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:48,100 "Lesia, I got to tell you about this." 199 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:51,560 And she was definitely interested. 200 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,500 [David] When Lesia walked into the room, 201 00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:58,100 she had a great look. 202 00:10:58,100 --> 00:11:01,000 Dark hair, smoky eyes. 203 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,560 Very sexy. 204 00:11:04,060 --> 00:11:06,500 And I'm just like, "Okay, this girl is hot." 205 00:11:12,260 --> 00:11:15,760 And so I called both Lesia and Crystal. 206 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,560 [Holly] It was rare for sisters to pose for layboy. 207 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:22,200 It was definitely appealing to Playboy 208 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,260 to publish anything kind of unexpected. 209 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,600 [Crystal] They had us both come in together 210 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,200 just to share the plan, 211 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,900 to prepare for our shoots. 212 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,660 We had no idea what was about to happen. 213 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,360 Crystal and Lesia were exactly the type of women 214 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,700 that Playboy iked. 215 00:11:52,700 --> 00:11:54,800 They were fresh-faced, 216 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,700 they had the girl-next-door look, 217 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:59,260 they had voluptuous figures. 218 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:01,130 They were really the whole package. 219 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:06,100 [David] Because they each had such a strong look, 220 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:09,760 I didn't want to lessen the strength of their photograph 221 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,060 by putting them together as a sister act. 222 00:12:12,060 --> 00:12:14,000 So I photographed them separately. 223 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,300 They want to send me to the mountains. 224 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,860 [David] When we did the shot of Crystal, 225 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,760 she's up in the rocks, 226 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,800 and she's got on kind of this army green outfit, 227 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,200 kind of thing. 228 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,660 You've got the vista in the background, 229 00:12:28,660 --> 00:12:30,660 and all this kind of stuff. It's really cool. 230 00:12:31,900 --> 00:12:33,760 The difference in their looks 231 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,000 made it a little more intriguing, 232 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,000 as well as the fact that they're both attractive 233 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,560 in different ways. 234 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,700 Lesia, they knew exactly where they wanted her. 235 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:47,860 Southfork Ranch, 236 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:50,460 where allas was filmed. 237 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,800 The show Dallas was so huge in the '80s. 238 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,200 So he says photos were actually shot 239 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,300 at the ranch where they filmed allas. 240 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:02,000 So they were very much with the Texas theme. 241 00:13:04,460 --> 00:13:05,960 [David] When I got to the location 242 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,260 and I saw this old-style bathtub... 243 00:13:10,460 --> 00:13:13,400 And Lesia had this insanely nice body. 244 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,860 Gorgeous boobs, gorgeous legs, everything. 245 00:13:17,260 --> 00:13:18,700 And so I told her, I said, 246 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:21,500 "You know what? I think I just want to photograph you nude in the tub." 247 00:13:21,500 --> 00:13:24,100 And she's like, "Yeah!" She was like all for it. 248 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:28,400 So off she goes into the tub, 249 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:32,360 and I just went, "Oh, my gosh, this thing looks great." 250 00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:36,960 I thought, "Wow, this girl's got playmate potential." 251 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,060 I mean, she was born to be there. 252 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:51,200 It's end of June, maybe early July of 1984. 253 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,860 And the magazine comes out early January 1985. 254 00:13:57,860 --> 00:14:00,060 Lesia was probably already picturing in her head 255 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,560 this was a huge opportunity to her. 256 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:05,300 Huge. 257 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,160 She was going to be someone. 258 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:11,000 This is an exciting time. 259 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,360 The magazine had not come out yet, 260 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,360 but after the layboy shoot, 261 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,260 Lesia could not contain her excitement. 262 00:14:17,260 --> 00:14:19,100 And she was telling everyone, "You know what? 263 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:20,400 I'm going to be in Playboy." 264 00:14:22,460 --> 00:14:25,360 [Sunny] When she told us about that, I'm not the only one 265 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,060 that thought Lesia will be a hit in Playboy. 266 00:14:29,060 --> 00:14:33,200 [David] In a way, she was a little bit like a brunette Dorothy Stratten, 267 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,460 one of those ladies that had this kind of spark 268 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:40,100 that everybody saw and just went, "Wow!" 269 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,000 [Crystal] Lesia has a lot of admirers, 270 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,360 but she didn't have any boyfriends. 271 00:14:47,660 --> 00:14:50,800 And then she met this guy Joey D'Amato. 272 00:14:53,260 --> 00:14:56,460 [Sunny] Joey was actually a bartender at Confetti. 273 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:57,760 Everybody got along with Joey. 274 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,500 Joey got along with everyone else. 275 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:03,860 He was a nice-looking guy, pretty normal. 276 00:15:03,860 --> 00:15:06,460 And I think that was part of, probably, 277 00:15:06,460 --> 00:15:08,100 Lesia's appeal with him. 278 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:10,700 He was just this guy who thought she was beautiful 279 00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:13,560 but was kind and caring, and not... 280 00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:15,360 after something. 281 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:21,260 [Crystal] Joey was as close as Lesia could come 282 00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:22,760 to being in a relationship. 283 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,000 However, she's going to be in layboy. 284 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,260 She's not going to commit to anything completely. 285 00:15:31,260 --> 00:15:32,760 [Holly] Lesia's photo could have definitely 286 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,600 led to more opportunities for her within layboy, 287 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,800 especially if she had the standout photo 288 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,300 of that pictorial. 289 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:43,760 [Kimbyrleigha] Lesia has a fire in her now. 290 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,900 She wants to go as far as she can 291 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:47,300 in this newfound career. 292 00:15:47,300 --> 00:15:49,660 And now she can actually do something about it. 293 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,000 [Christina] So Joey is spending all this time at Confetti's. 294 00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:01,860 He is with Lesia, 295 00:16:01,860 --> 00:16:05,160 but that was also when he strikes up 296 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,900 a friendship with Koby Sandovsky. 297 00:16:10,460 --> 00:16:12,360 [Kimbyrleigha] Koby is known around town. 298 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,500 He is the local go-to for your party favors, 299 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:17,700 cocaine. 300 00:16:19,660 --> 00:16:23,800 It was in the mid-'80s and there was a lot of cocaine. 301 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,860 There was a lot of cocaine at the time. 302 00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:28,100 [Sunny] But it wasn't one of these scenes 303 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:29,860 where people were just blatantly doing drugs, 304 00:16:29,860 --> 00:16:31,460 you know, on the bar or whatever. 305 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:33,660 It was more of kind of 306 00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:35,760 a behind the scenes kind of thing. 307 00:16:37,860 --> 00:16:39,660 [Kimbyrleigha] Lesia and Joey, they liked to have fun. 308 00:16:39,660 --> 00:16:41,300 They liked to party. 309 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:44,160 So it doesn't faze Lesia that he's hanging out with Koby. 310 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,460 [Crystal] He was good to her. 311 00:16:48,660 --> 00:16:51,960 They were seeing each other pretty regularly. 312 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,460 And then the magazine comes out. 313 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,560 January 8, 1985, 314 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,600 the Playboy agazine spread hits the newsstands. 315 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,600 [woman] There you go. Appreciate it, everyone. 316 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,560 [Kimbyrleigha] And usually it is the cover girl 317 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,560 that gets all the attention. 318 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,160 But, this time, it was Lesia. 319 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,460 And everyone is talking about the girl in the red tub. 320 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,560 [Holly] Lesia's photo is really sexy. 321 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,060 She's in this bright red bathtub 322 00:17:21,060 --> 00:17:22,460 in a bubble bath. 323 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,160 She's very fit. 324 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,360 She's got the tan lines, perfect '80s makeup. 325 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:29,900 Lesia definitely had the qualities 326 00:17:29,900 --> 00:17:31,400 Playboy as looking for. 327 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,460 Playboy eported that they nearly doubled their sales that month. 328 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:44,560 [Kimbyrleigha] Lesia Kahl went from an unknown waitress 329 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,860 to a Playboy odel sensation overnight. 330 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,000 [David] It does make them a celebrity of sorts. 331 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,100 She is the girl in the red tub. 332 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:57,760 What a title. 333 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,000 And I'm sure she probably relished in it, too. 334 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,160 I mean, knowing her, she probably loved that. 335 00:18:05,660 --> 00:18:07,000 [Crystal] I'm in the magazine, 336 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,960 but I'm moving away from the attention, 337 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,260 everything going on. 338 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,000 But Lesia's liking this attention. 339 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:16,900 She's doing well in it. 340 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,300 She's seeing Joey. 341 00:18:19,300 --> 00:18:22,560 She's truly living her best life. 342 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,000 [Holly] There's so many different ways a boyfriend or husband 343 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,160 could react to their significant other 344 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,060 posing for Playboy. 345 00:18:30,060 --> 00:18:31,500 Some people love it, 346 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:33,260 and they're super-excited about it. 347 00:18:35,460 --> 00:18:39,630 For Joey, he's feeling a lot of pressure. 348 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:47,260 I am sure Joey feels like he needs to make a grand gesture 349 00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:51,860 in order to stay the boyfriend of his beautiful girlfriend. 350 00:18:56,860 --> 00:18:59,360 [Crystal] Lesia's birthday is in February. 351 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:01,560 I was like, "That's my girl. I want to take care of her. 352 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:02,660 We're gonna have a party." 353 00:19:03,860 --> 00:19:05,760 [Kimbyrleigha] Joey wants to go all out, 354 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,730 surprise her, and make it a big night to remember. 355 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,460 [Crystal] Her birthday was Tuesday, February 26. 356 00:19:14,460 --> 00:19:17,000 Her big party was Wednesday night, February 27th, 357 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:18,860 and I couldn't go. 358 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:21,660 But it was very important to him 359 00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:23,100 to give this to her. 360 00:19:24,860 --> 00:19:27,060 [Kimbyrleigha] While Lesia is getting a bunch of attention 361 00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:29,400 for her photo shoot in Playboy, 362 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,760 Crystal actually got married. 363 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,730 She's laying low while Lesia's living it up. 364 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,060 Friends are waiting for Lesia to arrive 365 00:19:41,060 --> 00:19:43,500 and they're waiting and waiting, 366 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:45,100 and she's still not there. 367 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:47,800 [Sunny] People were concerned 368 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,900 because she was pretty punctual. 369 00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:51,700 People thought maybe they got in an accident 370 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:55,000 or that maybe they had to stop and run an errand, 371 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,500 maybe go pick up some more booze. 372 00:19:57,500 --> 00:20:00,100 The wait was pretty tense and pretty serious. 373 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,500 And they never showed up. 374 00:20:13,660 --> 00:20:14,860 [Kimbyrleigha] It's late at night, 375 00:20:14,860 --> 00:20:16,000 and John Hudgens 376 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,860 goes to his friend Jeffrey Licker's house. 377 00:20:18,860 --> 00:20:20,160 [knocking at door] 378 00:20:20,660 --> 00:20:21,560 He's knocking on the door. 379 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,760 He's getting no answer. 380 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,960 He decides to let himself in. 381 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,300 [Jason] He looks around the house 382 00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:31,300 when he comes across a gruesome discovery. 383 00:20:33,460 --> 00:20:36,100 He found two bodies in an upstairs bedroom. 384 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:44,200 So he went downstairs and called 911. 385 00:20:46,660 --> 00:20:50,300 At 1:45 a.m., investigators arrive at the house 386 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:51,360 on Blackbird Lane. 387 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:56,260 John Hudgens directs them upstairs. 388 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,060 As soon as I walked in the room 389 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:04,000 and saw what I saw, 390 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,700 I knew it wasn't like a murder-suicide. 391 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:10,000 I knew it was a double murder. 392 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,160 [Kimbyrleigha] The two victims had blunt force trauma to their heads. 393 00:21:22,260 --> 00:21:25,000 Their heads are covered with plastic bags. 394 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,260 There's blood everywhere. This is a violent scene. 395 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,000 One of the first questions that investigators always have 396 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,200 is "Who are these people? 397 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,600 And what were they doing here?" 398 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,200 The 911 caller says that he's friends 399 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,800 with the homeowner, Jeffrey Licker. 400 00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:46,760 And he determined by looking at the body 401 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,860 that it was absolutely not Jeffrey Licker. 402 00:21:51,260 --> 00:21:53,160 [JJ] He didn't know who those people were, 403 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,260 and he had been in that house a lot of times 404 00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:57,660 and knew who's supposed to be there 405 00:21:57,660 --> 00:21:59,300 and it's not them. 406 00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:05,300 [Jason] Police investigators did find identification on the male victim. 407 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:09,760 [JJ] We were able to identify him as Koby Sandovsky 408 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,460 through his driver's license. 409 00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:15,660 We had an Israeli identification card. 410 00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:18,260 But beyond that, there wasn't a lot of information 411 00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:19,400 about him. 412 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,260 [Jason] Most ladies, when they go out, 413 00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:24,500 they carry a purse with them. 414 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:26,360 [Christina] The police find a wallet, 415 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,400 and that wallet belongs to Lesia Kahl. 416 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,260 [Crystal] It was Thursday night, 417 00:22:39,860 --> 00:22:41,060 and the phone rings. 418 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,200 My husband answers it and it was a police officer. 419 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,760 And I knew before he even told me. 420 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,400 I could feel it. I could see it. 421 00:22:54,860 --> 00:22:58,260 While he's talking, I started hearing this loud sound. 422 00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:03,760 It sounded like somebody screaming like a child. 423 00:23:05,060 --> 00:23:06,760 And then I realized it was me. 424 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,800 And I was just looking at him, saying... 425 00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:15,360 "No, no, it couldn't be." 426 00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:17,800 Lesia couldn't be gone. 427 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,500 There's no way she could be gone. 428 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:23,100 Who could have done this? 429 00:23:27,660 --> 00:23:29,960 You never know how hard a task will be 430 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,400 until you start trying. 431 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,500 At the scene, we understand that 432 00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:38,000 the homeowner is Jeff Licker. 433 00:23:39,660 --> 00:23:42,900 Since one of the victims is not the homeowner, 434 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:43,960 where is he at? 435 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,660 Mr. Licker was an attorney. 436 00:23:46,660 --> 00:23:48,400 He was a prominent tax attorney, uh, 437 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,660 in Dallas back at the time. 438 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,760 [Christina] Jeffrey Licker is 29 years old 439 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,560 and he is known to let his friends 440 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,360 kind of come and go from his house 441 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:02,260 as needed. 442 00:24:02,260 --> 00:24:04,460 They know how to get in and out, 443 00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:07,630 and he frequently has guests. 444 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,260 [Kimbyrleigha] Police found a lot of cocaine, 445 00:24:13,260 --> 00:24:16,660 so they knew this was a place that people go to have fun, 446 00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:18,460 do coke, hang out. 447 00:24:18,460 --> 00:24:19,700 It was a party house. 448 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,130 [Jason] At that point, 449 00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:24,260 any kind of narrative could be possible. 450 00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:25,760 You know, is he on the run? 451 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,460 Is he not-- is he unaware? 452 00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:28,660 Was he a murder victim himself? 453 00:24:28,660 --> 00:24:29,900 There's just so much they don't know 454 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:31,060 about Licker at this point. 455 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,860 But with no definite way of getting a hold of him, 456 00:24:34,860 --> 00:24:38,560 police shift their focus to any additional information 457 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,160 that they can find there at the scene. 458 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,400 There was a car out front of the house 459 00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:48,230 registered to Koby Sandovsky. 460 00:24:50,660 --> 00:24:53,460 And they also found a phone in the car. 461 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,800 In the '80s, we didn't have cell phones, 462 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,300 and a select few had car phones. 463 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:08,260 Usually those were wealthier people or drug dealers. 464 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:11,660 [Jason] So officers decide, 465 00:25:11,660 --> 00:25:13,300 Well, let's call this last called number. 466 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,260 And so they dial the phone 467 00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:19,400 and Lesia's boyfriend, Joey D'Amato, answers it. 468 00:25:21,860 --> 00:25:23,060 [Kimbyrleigha] So police ask him, 469 00:25:23,060 --> 00:25:25,760 "Who called you from this number and when?" 470 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,000 And Joey tells them, 471 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,730 "My girlfriend, Lesia, called me around 9:30 p.m." 472 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,760 [Christina] Joey has been waiting up all night 473 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,260 just wondering what the heck has happened to Lesia. 474 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:47,660 When Lesia just didn't show up for the birthday party, 475 00:25:47,660 --> 00:25:50,500 there was time for probably a million things 476 00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:52,660 to go through Joey's head. 477 00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:55,260 Part of him was thinking that something bad 478 00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:56,460 had happened to her. 479 00:25:58,460 --> 00:26:01,300 [JJ] We tell him that we've found a couple of people 480 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:03,460 that have been killed, 481 00:26:03,460 --> 00:26:05,300 and we're doing an investigation. 482 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,260 He confirmed to us that when he talked to Lesia, 483 00:26:09,260 --> 00:26:11,500 she said she was waiting on Koby. 484 00:26:13,660 --> 00:26:15,400 [Jason] Joey said that he was waiting on her 485 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,860 to get to this surprise party, but she never showed up. 486 00:26:18,860 --> 00:26:20,960 And that Koby was giving her a ride. 487 00:26:22,660 --> 00:26:24,260 So police are asking Joey, 488 00:26:24,260 --> 00:26:26,860 "What is her relationship to Koby?" 489 00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:29,500 Joey explains that Koby hangs out at Confetti's, 490 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:30,660 where Lesia worked. 491 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:36,460 And apparently he was a low-level drug dealer, 492 00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:37,860 uh, in the Dallas area. 493 00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:41,700 Lesia was a cocktail waitress, 494 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,660 and she had just appeared in layboy. 495 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,300 [Holly] Posing nude for layboy 496 00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:49,760 can put a target on your back, 497 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,260 and that can get very dangerous. 498 00:26:58,260 --> 00:27:00,200 [Holly] I first heard about Lesia's story 499 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,360 when someone reached out to me in my social media comments. 500 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:07,000 I was fascinated by it. 501 00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:09,360 She was young, beautiful. 502 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,660 Her life was about to get so exciting. 503 00:27:13,660 --> 00:27:17,560 [Crystal] When the magazine came out, it never crossed my mind 504 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,660 that our safety could be at risk 505 00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:25,600 with this being in public like we now were. 506 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,800 It never even occurred to me. 507 00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:30,460 [David] I was devastated. 508 00:27:30,460 --> 00:27:32,700 I never thought of it as someone targeting her. 509 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,860 I thought, "Oh, my God, how could this happen?" 510 00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:40,000 [Crystal] When something like that happens, 511 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000 your mind goes everywhere, 512 00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:46,360 and Joey was the closest person I knew 513 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,260 that she was with. 514 00:27:52,660 --> 00:27:56,000 [Jason] The police invite Joey to come down to the station 515 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,360 and, uh, talk about the situation there. 516 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,300 They describe him as being very cooperative. 517 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:03,260 He's answering all their questions. 518 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,430 Apparently he was-- uh, 519 00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:08,260 he was pretty heartbroke over the death of his girlfriend. 520 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:10,700 So he was-- he was very cooperative 521 00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:12,000 with law enforcement at that point. 522 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,530 Joey was her number one. 523 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,260 But I had never heard the name Koby. 524 00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:25,500 And Joey has sent him 525 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:29,000 to go pick up Lesia for her party. 526 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,460 Where did that come from? 527 00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:36,160 Why didn't Joey go get her and then walk in with her? 528 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:40,200 Isn't that usually how a surprise party works? 529 00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:42,860 [Sunny] Koby was like a shadow person 530 00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:46,500 because I saw him on a few rare occasions. 531 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:47,860 I never spoke a word to him. 532 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,400 And it was very, very shocking 533 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,430 that Koby was with her that night. 534 00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:56,900 [Jason] At the police station, Joey said, 535 00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:59,360 "Well, I was throwing a surprise party for her, 536 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:02,460 but I didn't have a ride for Lesia. 537 00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:04,400 So I called my friend Koby and said, 538 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,960 'Hey, could you give her a ride?' 539 00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:09,260 Koby said, 'Sure, of course I can. 540 00:29:09,260 --> 00:29:11,000 But I do need to make a stop first.'" 541 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,660 And Joey admits that Koby is a low-level drug dealer. 542 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,800 So now police are asking Joey, 543 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,260 "Why is it that you chose to have him 544 00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:24,460 give your girlfriend a ride somewhere? 545 00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:26,660 Why did you put her safety in his hands?" 546 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,800 [Kimbyrleigha] Police are interested to know 547 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,360 what their relationship was like at this point. 548 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,660 And Joey admits, 549 00:29:38,660 --> 00:29:41,860 "Yes, Lesia's been getting a lot of attention lately. 550 00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:45,160 I mean, she's got a layboy spread out on newsstands." 551 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,100 And, yeah, they've had some disagreements, 552 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:49,460 and he's been a little insecure. 553 00:29:51,460 --> 00:29:53,560 But Joey is Lesia's boyfriend. 554 00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:56,060 He was planning the party. 555 00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:58,360 He couldn't run around and bring Lesia there. 556 00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:00,700 Koby is one of his friends. 557 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:02,960 They party together, they hang out together. 558 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,660 It just made sense to him. 559 00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:11,760 [JJ] I'm not really suspicious of anyone 560 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,560 until I can start putting things together. 561 00:30:16,460 --> 00:30:19,400 Joey was cooperative as to what he knew 562 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,860 and what was going on and the information he had. 563 00:30:23,060 --> 00:30:26,060 [Sunny] There was a lot of talk about how odd it was 564 00:30:26,060 --> 00:30:29,700 that Koby was the one who gave her the ride. 565 00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:32,060 I think Joey probably regretted that 566 00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:33,800 and probably still regrets that. 567 00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:38,600 As you confirm things, you realize, 568 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,800 okay, Joey is probably, you know, being honest. 569 00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:46,760 But from talking to the 911 caller, 570 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,560 we learned that the homeowner, 571 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,160 Jeff Licker's not probably, you know, 572 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,660 a goody two-shoes. 573 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,360 Now the focus was definitely on Jeff Licker. 574 00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:59,100 Talk to him. 575 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,000 Two people ended up dead in your house. 576 00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:05,660 Why are they there and you're not there? 577 00:31:07,460 --> 00:31:10,100 [Kimbyrleigha] So investigators start reaching out to more people 578 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:11,360 who knew Jeffrey Licker. 579 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,460 And they find out that Koby 580 00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:17,060 is an associate of Jeffrey Licker. 581 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,000 Jeffrey Licker was very addicted to cocaine. 582 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000 And Koby was his drug dealer. 583 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,100 But police are not able to locate him yet. 584 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:38,460 [Jason] And then at about 1:30 p.m., 585 00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:40,560 a man walks into the Dallas police station 586 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,760 and says, "Hey, I have some information 587 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,800 on your homicide from last night." 588 00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:51,160 And he introduces himself as 29-year-old Jeffrey Licker. 589 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,460 [JJ] He's trying to figure out what's going on 590 00:31:57,460 --> 00:32:00,100 with the double homicide last night, 591 00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:02,260 and he wants to talk to somebody. 592 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,260 [Jason] Licker proceeds to tell them 593 00:32:05,260 --> 00:32:07,660 that he had been out all night drinking 594 00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,860 and that he had recently heard about 595 00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:12,860 the double homicide on the radio. 596 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,860 And decided, "I better go to the police station 597 00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:18,760 and talk to them and find out what's going on 598 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,760 and see if there's any help I can give them." 599 00:32:22,660 --> 00:32:25,000 [JJ] I think Jeff came to the police station 600 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,600 to distance himself from any activity 601 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,260 and say he wasn't involved. 602 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:33,860 So Jeff starts telling us some things 603 00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:35,860 that we know aren't right, 604 00:32:35,860 --> 00:32:38,100 like he didn't know who the people were in the house. 605 00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:42,060 And we confront him with that. 606 00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:45,860 And then Jeff started to provide more information 607 00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:46,860 that was truthful. 608 00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:51,800 Licker finally admits he knows Sandovsky. 609 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:57,660 While they're interviewing Licker, 610 00:32:57,660 --> 00:33:00,360 he gives the police a full written statement. 611 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,060 As far as I know, no one else has ever gotten 612 00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:07,360 a voluntary statement from a lawyer. 613 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,400 [Jason] You know, granted he's a tax attorney, 614 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,600 he's not a criminal attorney. 615 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,460 But you would think that attorney 101 is, you know, 616 00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:20,760 you don't talk to the police without representation. 617 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,060 Uh, so that's kind of shocking. 618 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,760 [JJ] According to Jeff, Koby had stolen a safe from him 619 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,260 with money and drugs in it, 620 00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:35,060 and Jeff wanted to collect what was owed from that theft. 621 00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:40,560 [Jason] He had Sandovsky come over 622 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,560 under the ruse of he was going to buy some more drugs. 623 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,000 And when Sandovsky got there, he had a surprise waiting. 624 00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:54,560 He had hired two individuals, 625 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,160 to collect the debt from Sandovsky 626 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,700 from Sandovsky previously stealing his safe. 627 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,260 [JJ] So Jeff's story was that he hired them, 628 00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:07,600 but he told the two men that, you know, 629 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,800 he did not want Koby injured in any way. 630 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,760 According to Licker, he also sees Lesia come in. 631 00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:17,660 [Kimbyrleigha] He doesn't know Lesia, 632 00:34:17,660 --> 00:34:20,730 but he does recognize her from the Playboy agazine. 633 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,660 Then Jeffrey tells investigators 634 00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:26,560 he left his house at 10:00 p.m. 635 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,600 and he went out drinking. 636 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,300 So they want to know, 637 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:32,500 "What did you see? What did you do? 638 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:33,960 What were you doing?" 639 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,000 And why hasn't he said anything about it? 640 00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:41,300 [JJ] The statement itself is not everything, 641 00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:45,300 but it implicates him in hiring the actors 642 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,430 that caused the death of Koby and Lesia. 643 00:34:50,860 --> 00:34:53,600 [Kimbyrleigha] Police have this man who's coming in here 644 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,560 saying that he admittedly had two men hired, 645 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,860 essentially hit men, even though he says, 646 00:35:00,860 --> 00:35:02,900 "Oh, they weren't supposed to harm Koby," 647 00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:05,060 and he doesn't think that anything bad's happening. 648 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,000 Something's not adding up here at all. 649 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,160 [Crystal] As we were learning and finding out the facts 650 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,660 of what happened, 651 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,460 what a hot [bleep] mess. 652 00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:21,760 [screaming] 653 00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:28,860 [Crystal] I had to call my parents. 654 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,400 And my mom was already crying. 655 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,860 She knew. 656 00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:36,660 She just-- she just knew 657 00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:39,500 that something had happened to one of us 658 00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:42,560 and she-- and she knew instinctively it was Lesia. 659 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:44,760 They had to get here. 660 00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:50,600 Playboy omehow had reached out to me, 661 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,360 and they wanted to give something to my parents. 662 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,100 And I remember they got a $500 gift certificate 663 00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,760 just to take care of the food while they were here. 664 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,500 The rest I almost don't remember. 665 00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,000 I was really messed up. 666 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,260 [Kimbyrleigha] In his statement, 667 00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:09,360 Jeffrey Licker lets police know 668 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,600 that the two men hired 669 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,100 are Raymond Hackman and Joel Arnold. 670 00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:18,660 [Christina] Police track down two freight workers, 671 00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:21,060 Raymond Hackman and Joel Arnold. 672 00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:26,260 Once Hackman and Arnold are brought in, 673 00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:28,300 they know they're in trouble. 674 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,560 [Kimbyrleigha] Raymond Hackman was not talking, 675 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,400 but Joel Arnold gives a written statement. 676 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,800 And it's a lot different from the one police got 677 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,360 from Jeffrey Licker. 678 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,360 In his statement, Joel Arnold says that they were hired 679 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,760 by Jeffrey Licker to either collect the debt, 680 00:36:48,260 --> 00:36:50,200 or to kill Koby. 681 00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:55,860 [JJ] And he says that Jeff Licker 682 00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:58,700 promised to give them $5,000 to do it. 683 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,900 [Kimbyrleigha] Licker also said that, once Koby was taken care of, 684 00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:05,260 there was a girl out in the car 685 00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:07,360 that they needed to take care of, too. 686 00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:12,600 They saw Jeffrey Licker leave the house and return, 687 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,600 bringing Lesia Kahl upstairs. 688 00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:18,260 And apparently they were going to get an extra $1,500 689 00:37:18,260 --> 00:37:19,600 to kill her, too. 690 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,460 [Crystal] I remember when I heard, 691 00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:31,760 the feeling was 692 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,560 how could someone look at her and-- 693 00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:36,360 and do this? 694 00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:41,100 Lesia had been bludgeoned... 695 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,360 to death 696 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,560 with a hammer. 697 00:37:47,260 --> 00:37:48,360 They got a trash bag 698 00:37:49,260 --> 00:37:51,000 and put it over her head. 699 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,800 Yanked a lamp out of the wall and strangled her with it. 700 00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:03,360 And that's how... 701 00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:06,560 that's how she died. 702 00:38:11,860 --> 00:38:15,960 [David] It sickens me knowing that happened to her. 703 00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:18,600 It's-- it's just... 704 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,860 Anyway... I mean, she was someone special. 705 00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:27,860 And she had all this potential to go way beyond that. 706 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,800 And it was taken away from us. 707 00:38:33,260 --> 00:38:35,100 [Holly] When Lesia's story broke, 708 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:38,560 Playboy ust wanted to stay as far away from it as possible. 709 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,400 The philosophy was kind of, 710 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,960 if you don't say anything, 711 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,000 you know, you won't add fuel to the fire. 712 00:38:47,460 --> 00:38:50,660 [JJ] Based on the evidence and voluntary statements 713 00:38:50,660 --> 00:38:53,360 from two of the three defendants 714 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,060 we were able to put together warrants 715 00:38:56,060 --> 00:38:58,560 for the arrest of Jeff Licker, 716 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,760 Joel Arnold and Raymond Hackman 717 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,560 for the deaths of Koby Sandovsky 718 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,260 and Lesia Kahl. 719 00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:11,760 This case never went to court. It all got pled out. 720 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,300 Joel Arnold and Raymond Hackman 721 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:17,800 both were sentenced to 30 years for killing Koby 722 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,400 and life sentences for killing Lesia. 723 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,500 [Kimbyrleigha] Jeffrey Licker is convicted on two counts of murder, 724 00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,160 and he's given ten years in prison 725 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,100 and ten years' probation. 726 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,100 But I really don't think someone 727 00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:33,760 who orchestrated a crime like this 728 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,760 should be given such a light sentence. 729 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:42,900 [Sunny] "Oh, I just thought they were going to hurt him." 730 00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:45,000 No. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. 731 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,860 If you told those guys to hurt him, 732 00:39:46,860 --> 00:39:48,400 they would have hurt him. 733 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,760 They would have punched him in the nose and said, you know, 734 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,860 "Give me your drugs. Don't come back," or whatever. 735 00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:58,260 [Crystal] We needed to make Jeffrey Licker be held responsible, 736 00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:00,300 so we had a civil trial. 737 00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:01,760 And to hit him where we could. 738 00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:05,100 [Kimbyrleigha] Two years after Lesia's murder, 739 00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:07,460 her parents won a wrongful death lawsuit 740 00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:08,860 against Jeffrey Licker, 741 00:40:08,860 --> 00:40:12,700 and they were awarded $9.3 million from him 742 00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:14,560 and his homeowner's insurance. 743 00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:20,460 [Sunny] Joey was inconsolable. 744 00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:23,300 We had people saying, "I heard what happened," 745 00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:25,700 and Joey would hear that and he would just fall apart. 746 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:33,060 Forty years have gone by, but when we talk about this, 747 00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:35,760 it still, um... 748 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,360 just makes me so sad for what she could have been. 749 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,100 I think in the layboy world, she probably would have risen, 750 00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:45,260 but I think she had more in her than that. 751 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,060 And it's so sad because 752 00:40:47,060 --> 00:40:50,000 she never got to show the rest of the world 753 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,800 what a really wonderful person she is. 754 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:55,900 [Crystal] I love her. 755 00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:57,660 I love her. 756 00:40:58,500 --> 00:40:59,500 I miss her. 757 00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:03,430 I want her to come back. 758 00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:10,460 Even in my dreams, I... I want that again. 759 00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:14,000 [Holly] Lesia's story really affected me 760 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,460 because she was a young woman 761 00:41:15,460 --> 00:41:17,660 with such a bright future ahead of her. 762 00:41:17,660 --> 00:41:19,660 Of course, I can relate to her story. 763 00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:21,560 She could have gone on to do anything, 764 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,460 and she had all of that stolen from her 765 00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:26,300 strictly from being in the wrong place 766 00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:27,960 at the wrong time. 55672

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