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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,507 --> 00:00:08,340 Narrator: Tonight... 2 00:00:08,342 --> 00:00:10,943 I just miss her, and I love her. 3 00:00:10,945 --> 00:00:14,980 ...A young woman is found dead on her bedroom floor. 4 00:00:14,982 --> 00:00:18,450 The way she was laying there just wasn't natural. 5 00:00:18,452 --> 00:00:21,787 Her battered body indicates a struggle took place... 6 00:00:21,789 --> 00:00:24,089 Clumps of hair right in the entrance way. 7 00:00:24,091 --> 00:00:27,826 Narrator: ...And yet, police can't say if it's murder. 8 00:00:27,828 --> 00:00:30,496 Levasseur: How does something violent happen to her 9 00:00:30,498 --> 00:00:32,931 Without a single person hearing anything? 10 00:00:32,933 --> 00:00:34,266 I hope that's what you can figure out. 11 00:00:34,268 --> 00:00:37,803 Was devan's death an accident... 12 00:00:37,805 --> 00:00:40,005 So if somebody's falling unconscious, 13 00:00:40,007 --> 00:00:41,140 Then we'd expect bruising. 14 00:00:41,142 --> 00:00:44,143 ...Or is there a killer walking free? 15 00:00:44,145 --> 00:00:46,078 Do you feel like you have an idea 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,113 Who may have been involved with her death? 17 00:00:48,115 --> 00:00:50,482 Private investigator derrick levasseur... 18 00:00:50,484 --> 00:00:52,684 I know this isn't easy to talk about. 19 00:00:52,686 --> 00:00:54,820 ...Journeys to seattle, washington, 20 00:00:54,822 --> 00:00:57,355 To help police solve the mystery 21 00:00:57,357 --> 00:01:00,259 Of what happened to devan schmidt. 22 00:01:00,261 --> 00:01:02,528 As a homicide investigator, 23 00:01:02,530 --> 00:01:05,664 You lose a little piece of your heart with all your victims. 24 00:01:05,666 --> 00:01:08,667 ♪ 25 00:01:08,669 --> 00:01:11,670 -- Captions by vitac -- www.Vitac.Com 26 00:01:11,672 --> 00:01:14,706 Captions paid for by discovery communications 27 00:01:18,412 --> 00:01:20,712 Levasseur: So, we're here in seattle, 28 00:01:20,714 --> 00:01:22,314 And we're looking into the death of devan schmidt. 29 00:01:22,316 --> 00:01:23,315 ♪ 30 00:01:23,317 --> 00:01:24,850 She was a vibrant young woman. 31 00:01:24,852 --> 00:01:27,019 It seemed like she had her whole life ahead of her. 32 00:01:27,021 --> 00:01:28,520 And from everything I've heard, 33 00:01:28,522 --> 00:01:31,356 She was well-liked by everyone she came across, 34 00:01:31,358 --> 00:01:32,658 Which is just one of the things 35 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:35,661 That make the circumstances of her death so shocking. 36 00:01:35,663 --> 00:01:37,663 ♪ 37 00:01:37,665 --> 00:01:40,332 Devan was 29 years old when she moved to seattle 38 00:01:40,334 --> 00:01:42,968 To start the next chapter of her life. 39 00:01:42,970 --> 00:01:44,837 Then, just six months later, 40 00:01:44,839 --> 00:01:48,340 In the early-morning hours of may 2, 2015, 41 00:01:48,342 --> 00:01:52,010 Devan was found dead on her bedroom floor, 42 00:01:52,012 --> 00:01:54,847 Her body severely bruised. 43 00:01:54,849 --> 00:01:56,849 After reviewing the crime scene, 44 00:01:56,851 --> 00:02:01,253 The medical examiner noted signs of quote "homicidal violence." 45 00:02:01,255 --> 00:02:05,224 But what makes this case so tricky is what he found next. 46 00:02:05,226 --> 00:02:07,726 Devan's toxicology reports came back positive 47 00:02:07,728 --> 00:02:10,963 For large amounts cocaine in her blood and stomach. 48 00:02:10,965 --> 00:02:12,397 And because of that, 49 00:02:12,399 --> 00:02:15,868 Both the cause and manner of death were ruled "undetermined," 50 00:02:15,870 --> 00:02:18,103 Which left a giant question hanging. 51 00:02:18,105 --> 00:02:21,406 Was this an accidental overdose or was this a homicide? 52 00:02:21,408 --> 00:02:23,742 Did someone intentionally cause harm to devan 53 00:02:23,744 --> 00:02:25,577 That resulted in her death? 54 00:02:25,579 --> 00:02:28,947 It's been over three years without a definitive answer, 55 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:31,250 Which means if this was a homicide, 56 00:02:31,252 --> 00:02:33,986 Devan's killer could still be out there. 57 00:02:33,988 --> 00:02:37,389 I need to dig deeper into the circumstances 58 00:02:37,391 --> 00:02:39,124 Leading up to devan's death. 59 00:02:39,126 --> 00:02:43,162 ♪ 60 00:02:44,698 --> 00:02:47,232 Levasseur: How you doing, lia? 61 00:02:47,234 --> 00:02:48,834 Surviving. 62 00:02:48,836 --> 00:02:50,936 Understandable. 63 00:02:50,938 --> 00:02:53,372 Let's talk about devan first as a person. 64 00:02:53,374 --> 00:02:54,540 Tell me about her. 65 00:02:55,576 --> 00:02:57,309 Amazing. 66 00:02:57,311 --> 00:02:59,578 Beautiful. 67 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:01,480 Fun. 68 00:03:01,482 --> 00:03:03,448 She loved adventure. 69 00:03:03,450 --> 00:03:06,685 She was just such a free spirit. 70 00:03:06,687 --> 00:03:11,790 You know, we just had so much fun together all the time. 71 00:03:11,792 --> 00:03:13,158 My baby sister. 72 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,661 ♪ 73 00:03:15,663 --> 00:03:18,964 Just her loss has been truly devastating 74 00:03:18,966 --> 00:03:21,066 To myself and our family. 75 00:03:21,068 --> 00:03:23,635 Did she give you any inclination, 76 00:03:23,637 --> 00:03:25,637 Any idea of what her plans were that evening? 77 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,472 She was heading home, 78 00:03:27,474 --> 00:03:30,642 That she might hang out with some friends, 79 00:03:30,644 --> 00:03:33,812 And she was gonna give me a call. 80 00:03:33,814 --> 00:03:35,614 The next day or that night? 81 00:03:35,616 --> 00:03:38,050 She was supposed to call me that night. 82 00:03:38,052 --> 00:03:40,452 But that was okay that she didn't 83 00:03:40,454 --> 00:03:43,255 'cause I knew that she may get together with some friends. 84 00:03:43,257 --> 00:03:45,624 But when I didn't hear from her in the morning, 85 00:03:45,626 --> 00:03:47,659 That's when I got concerned. 86 00:03:47,661 --> 00:03:51,296 So I had, you know, tried calling her. 87 00:03:51,298 --> 00:03:52,464 No answer. 88 00:03:52,466 --> 00:03:54,933 Sent her a message, and unfortunately, 89 00:03:54,935 --> 00:03:58,470 I had said to my sister, "hey, you brat. 90 00:03:58,472 --> 00:04:01,807 You know, please let me know that you're okay. 91 00:04:01,809 --> 00:04:04,343 I need to know that you're alive." 92 00:04:04,345 --> 00:04:07,412 Later on that evening, 93 00:04:07,414 --> 00:04:12,584 That's when the detective called me, and... 94 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:14,086 ♪ 95 00:04:14,088 --> 00:04:16,521 [ voice breaking ] ...That's when our life changed. 96 00:04:16,523 --> 00:04:18,190 ♪ 97 00:04:18,192 --> 00:04:19,424 Sorry. 98 00:04:19,426 --> 00:04:21,260 Take your time. 99 00:04:21,262 --> 00:04:23,161 ♪ 100 00:04:23,163 --> 00:04:26,098 When you first learned of her death, 101 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:28,567 Did he describe it as she was killed? 102 00:04:28,569 --> 00:04:29,935 He asked me, 103 00:04:29,937 --> 00:04:33,872 "could I think of anyone who may have wanted to hurt her?" 104 00:04:33,874 --> 00:04:36,008 I couldn't understand 105 00:04:36,010 --> 00:04:38,944 Even where that question was coming from, like... 106 00:04:38,946 --> 00:04:42,047 What have you learned about the chain of events 107 00:04:42,049 --> 00:04:44,616 That took place that night before devan was found? 108 00:04:44,618 --> 00:04:45,951 Who was she with? 109 00:04:45,953 --> 00:04:51,523 It's my understanding that my sister was hanging out 110 00:04:51,525 --> 00:04:55,193 At her apartment with her two friends 111 00:04:55,195 --> 00:04:57,029 K.T. And dominique 112 00:04:57,031 --> 00:05:00,699 And the friend that they brought along, erick sims. 113 00:05:00,701 --> 00:05:03,702 And I know that the girls were drinking wine 114 00:05:03,704 --> 00:05:06,405 And that the guys were having some beers 115 00:05:06,407 --> 00:05:10,942 And they were using some cocaine recreational. 116 00:05:10,944 --> 00:05:14,479 My sister was by no means a drug addict. 117 00:05:14,481 --> 00:05:16,615 I mean, anybody who knew her, 118 00:05:16,617 --> 00:05:18,283 Her employers, everybody. 119 00:05:18,285 --> 00:05:20,519 That was never an issue. 120 00:05:20,521 --> 00:05:22,654 As far as you know, 121 00:05:22,656 --> 00:05:26,258 How did they eventually end the night? 122 00:05:26,260 --> 00:05:28,260 Or I should say, end that morning? 123 00:05:28,262 --> 00:05:33,265 Erick ended up leaving before anyone else did, 124 00:05:33,267 --> 00:05:39,071 Probably 10 minutes before k.T. And dominique had left. 125 00:05:39,073 --> 00:05:40,572 Shortly after, 126 00:05:40,574 --> 00:05:45,610 My sister had sent a text message to k.T. Stating that, 127 00:05:45,612 --> 00:05:47,679 "your friend is back. 128 00:05:47,681 --> 00:05:49,181 What the hell? 129 00:05:49,183 --> 00:05:51,149 How do I get rid of him?" 130 00:05:51,151 --> 00:05:52,784 Meaning erick? 131 00:05:52,786 --> 00:05:53,952 Correct. 132 00:05:53,954 --> 00:05:56,922 Interesting. What was k.T.'s response? 133 00:05:56,924 --> 00:06:00,325 "do you want me to come back and get rid of him?" 134 00:06:00,327 --> 00:06:02,494 And my sister's response was, 135 00:06:02,496 --> 00:06:04,162 "you know what? Don't worry about it. 136 00:06:04,164 --> 00:06:05,897 I got this." 137 00:06:05,899 --> 00:06:10,369 And that was the last anyone heard from her. 138 00:06:10,371 --> 00:06:12,371 So you believe at some point, 139 00:06:12,373 --> 00:06:15,407 Erick sims and your sister came in contact again? 140 00:06:15,409 --> 00:06:17,676 Absolutely. That's my belief. Yes. 141 00:06:17,678 --> 00:06:18,877 So you believe that erick sims 142 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:20,512 Was the last person to see your sister alive? 143 00:06:20,514 --> 00:06:21,780 Absolutely, I believe that. 144 00:06:21,782 --> 00:06:23,348 I got to ask the obvious question -- 145 00:06:23,350 --> 00:06:25,183 Do you think that erick sims is responsible 146 00:06:25,185 --> 00:06:26,852 For your sister's murder? 147 00:06:26,854 --> 00:06:29,654 My personal belief -- absolutely. 148 00:06:29,656 --> 00:06:31,156 Absolutely. 149 00:06:31,158 --> 00:06:33,692 The cause of death was ruled undetermined. 150 00:06:33,694 --> 00:06:36,528 What was your take on that? 151 00:06:36,530 --> 00:06:39,331 We were absolutely shocked. 152 00:06:39,333 --> 00:06:44,102 I'm hoping to bring some exposure, like, 153 00:06:44,104 --> 00:06:48,473 Showing that my sister was murdered. 154 00:06:48,475 --> 00:06:51,843 ♪ 155 00:06:51,845 --> 00:06:54,780 Lia has good reason to believe her sister was killed. 156 00:06:54,782 --> 00:06:57,516 In fact, devan's death was initially investigated 157 00:06:57,518 --> 00:06:59,084 As a homicide. 158 00:06:59,086 --> 00:07:00,819 How's it going? 159 00:07:00,821 --> 00:07:02,754 Nice to see you. 160 00:07:02,756 --> 00:07:06,892 Detective james cooper is the lead investigator on the case. 161 00:07:06,894 --> 00:07:09,528 Because it's still an open investigation, 162 00:07:09,530 --> 00:07:12,631 I know there are some things he won't be able to talk about. 163 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:14,966 So I'm going to stick to the broader topics 164 00:07:14,968 --> 00:07:17,402 Like his first impression of the crime scene. 165 00:07:17,404 --> 00:07:18,804 When I arrived there, 166 00:07:18,806 --> 00:07:20,739 The scene was already cordoned off. 167 00:07:20,741 --> 00:07:22,407 Patrol officers were already outside, 168 00:07:22,409 --> 00:07:24,943 No one was inside, the building had been cleared, 169 00:07:24,945 --> 00:07:27,078 And my partner and I were the first ones 170 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,747 To go in there once it was cleared. 171 00:07:28,749 --> 00:07:30,749 And as soon as I looked at it, 172 00:07:30,751 --> 00:07:33,585 I immediately went outside, looked at my sergeant like, 173 00:07:33,587 --> 00:07:35,620 "we need to get csi out here. 174 00:07:35,622 --> 00:07:38,223 This is something bad." 175 00:07:38,225 --> 00:07:40,859 And I believed it was a homicide. 176 00:07:40,861 --> 00:07:46,398 The way she was laying there just wasn't natural, okay? 177 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,367 But despite detective cooper's belief, 178 00:07:49,369 --> 00:07:52,871 The medical examiner ultimately labelled the death undetermined 179 00:07:52,873 --> 00:07:54,573 After toxicology reports noted 180 00:07:54,575 --> 00:07:58,610 Unusually large amounts of cocaine in devan's system. 181 00:07:58,612 --> 00:08:01,546 Were you surprised when the medical examiner came back 182 00:08:01,548 --> 00:08:02,647 With his findings? 183 00:08:02,649 --> 00:08:04,716 I've been on the department 30 years. 184 00:08:04,718 --> 00:08:07,319 I know what an overdose looks like. 185 00:08:07,321 --> 00:08:09,321 That was not an overdose. 186 00:08:09,323 --> 00:08:11,523 In king county, 187 00:08:11,525 --> 00:08:14,793 To have a case move forward as a homicide, 188 00:08:14,795 --> 00:08:16,995 The medical examiner's office 189 00:08:16,997 --> 00:08:21,299 Has to rule it a "homicide" or "death by homicidal means." 190 00:08:21,301 --> 00:08:24,269 If we don't have that tag, we can't take it anywhere. 191 00:08:24,271 --> 00:08:27,806 So I've kept the case and just hoping someday that, 192 00:08:27,808 --> 00:08:30,976 You know, someone else can look at that autopsy report 193 00:08:30,978 --> 00:08:33,278 And maybe shed new light on it. 194 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,146 Do you feel like you have an idea 195 00:08:35,148 --> 00:08:37,015 Who may have been involved with her death? 196 00:08:37,017 --> 00:08:38,517 ♪ 197 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:40,318 You know, at this time, 198 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,387 All I can tell you is it's an open investigation. 199 00:08:42,389 --> 00:08:46,291 But I'm always open for any new information, 200 00:08:46,293 --> 00:08:49,027 Any new technique, any new idea. 201 00:08:49,029 --> 00:08:52,631 And if it sheds light on the case, I'm in. 202 00:08:52,633 --> 00:08:54,132 People are like, 203 00:08:54,134 --> 00:08:56,635 "why do you still hold on to this case? 204 00:08:56,637 --> 00:08:58,270 It's undetermined." 205 00:08:58,272 --> 00:09:02,741 Someone lost their life here, you know, it's important. 206 00:09:02,743 --> 00:09:08,213 ♪ 207 00:09:08,215 --> 00:09:11,583 With detective cooper unable to share any of his files, 208 00:09:11,585 --> 00:09:15,554 Devan's sister lia has provided information key to this case, 209 00:09:15,556 --> 00:09:18,924 Including crime-scene photos and the medical-examiner's report. 210 00:09:18,926 --> 00:09:22,561 I have a clear shot of almost the entire bedroom. 211 00:09:22,563 --> 00:09:24,896 She's faceup and her underwear are off. 212 00:09:24,898 --> 00:09:27,165 But what stands out to me immediately 213 00:09:27,167 --> 00:09:32,370 Is she has significant bruising to her hip area, both sides. 214 00:09:32,372 --> 00:09:36,007 I would expect that to be found if she was facedown. 215 00:09:36,009 --> 00:09:39,210 We have some clumps of hair that appears to be 216 00:09:39,212 --> 00:09:42,347 The same color of her hair right in the entrance way. 217 00:09:42,349 --> 00:09:45,850 These injuries look like someone who had been in a fight. 218 00:09:45,852 --> 00:09:48,219 Alright, here's the opinion that was rendered 219 00:09:48,221 --> 00:09:49,721 By the associate medical examiner 220 00:09:49,723 --> 00:09:51,222 And the chief medical examiner. 221 00:09:51,224 --> 00:09:53,925 "an asphyxia cannot be ruled out. 222 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:56,461 The unusually high level of drugs in her blood 223 00:09:56,463 --> 00:09:59,798 Also remain unexplained and may have contributed to her death." 224 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,434 This is what detective cooper was talking about. 225 00:10:02,436 --> 00:10:03,602 This is the problem. 226 00:10:03,604 --> 00:10:05,837 You can't charge someone with a murder 227 00:10:05,839 --> 00:10:07,238 If you have an autopsy report 228 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,341 That says her manner of death is undetermined. 229 00:10:09,343 --> 00:10:10,609 That's the roadblock. 230 00:10:10,611 --> 00:10:15,714 Detective cooper told me himself that he would be willing 231 00:10:15,716 --> 00:10:18,383 To listen to another medical examiner 232 00:10:18,385 --> 00:10:20,885 If they did in fact come to another conclusion. 233 00:10:20,887 --> 00:10:24,255 So I'm gonna send it out to someone that I respect 234 00:10:24,257 --> 00:10:27,959 And see if they come to the same conclusion as these individuals. 235 00:10:27,961 --> 00:10:30,395 If they come back with the same opinion, 236 00:10:30,397 --> 00:10:32,263 We have nothing else to do here. 237 00:10:32,265 --> 00:10:33,264 ♪ 238 00:10:33,266 --> 00:10:35,333 Narrator: Coming up... 239 00:10:35,335 --> 00:10:36,568 Go ahead. Say what you want to say. 240 00:10:36,570 --> 00:10:37,969 You know, now looking back, 241 00:10:37,971 --> 00:10:39,838 I really don't think it was accidental. 242 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,039 And later... 243 00:10:41,041 --> 00:10:42,941 I told you from my first meet, 244 00:10:42,943 --> 00:10:44,843 Something bad happened to devan schmidt that night. 245 00:10:44,845 --> 00:10:47,879 And even if I got an answer, it will stay with me forever. 246 00:10:47,881 --> 00:10:50,348 ♪ 247 00:10:56,923 --> 00:10:59,758 ♪ 248 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,361 Levasseur: Despite clear signs of quote "homicidal violence" 249 00:11:03,363 --> 00:11:04,996 And even possible asphyxia, 250 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:08,500 Detectives haven't been able to pursue devan schmidt's case 251 00:11:08,502 --> 00:11:10,502 Because the original medical examiner 252 00:11:10,504 --> 00:11:12,971 Ruled her death undetermined. 253 00:11:12,973 --> 00:11:14,839 So I reached out to a pathologist 254 00:11:14,841 --> 00:11:16,174 That I've worked with before 255 00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:17,976 To take another look at the autopsy. 256 00:11:17,978 --> 00:11:19,678 But before I meet with her, 257 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:23,348 I want to make sure I have as much information as possible. 258 00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:26,718 ♪ 259 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,254 Alright, right now, I'm on my way over 260 00:11:29,256 --> 00:11:32,691 To where devan schmidt was last living before her death. 261 00:11:32,693 --> 00:11:33,692 ♪ 262 00:11:33,694 --> 00:11:34,959 From what I've heard, 263 00:11:34,961 --> 00:11:37,395 Devan was living in a duplex with multiple roommates. 264 00:11:37,397 --> 00:11:40,398 I'm hoping someone heard or saw something 265 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,467 That could help with my investigation. 266 00:11:42,469 --> 00:11:44,402 Alright, there it is right there, red door. 267 00:11:44,404 --> 00:11:46,004 So, you actually can see here, right? 268 00:11:46,006 --> 00:11:47,072 Like, it's a duplex. 269 00:11:47,074 --> 00:11:48,506 At the time, 270 00:11:48,508 --> 00:11:51,710 Devan was staying on the right side of this duplex. 271 00:11:51,712 --> 00:11:55,380 ♪ 272 00:11:57,851 --> 00:12:00,418 No one was home on her side of the building. 273 00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:03,722 But I'm hoping a neighbor will be willing to talk with me. 274 00:12:03,724 --> 00:12:07,092 So, you were here when everything went down next door? 275 00:12:08,695 --> 00:12:11,529 Mm-hmm. 276 00:12:11,531 --> 00:12:12,564 Mm-hmm. 277 00:12:17,537 --> 00:12:19,971 Devan's neighbor said he didn't hear anything 278 00:12:19,973 --> 00:12:21,206 The night of her death 279 00:12:21,208 --> 00:12:23,908 And that none of her roommates still live there. 280 00:12:23,910 --> 00:12:27,445 But he did tell me about her living situation. 281 00:12:27,447 --> 00:12:30,582 He said that devan's roommates lived upstairs, 282 00:12:30,584 --> 00:12:33,418 While she lived downstairs in a basement apartment 283 00:12:33,420 --> 00:12:35,820 That had its own entrance. 284 00:12:35,822 --> 00:12:37,021 I'm just gonna... 285 00:12:37,023 --> 00:12:40,057 [ grunts ] okay. 286 00:12:40,059 --> 00:12:42,427 Can you guys get a shot of this? 287 00:12:42,429 --> 00:12:44,763 You can see right here. There you go. 288 00:12:44,765 --> 00:12:46,798 Alright, so we got the door right here. 289 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,767 You can see a window down there, too. 290 00:12:48,769 --> 00:12:50,201 See the window? 291 00:12:50,203 --> 00:12:54,439 Looks like maybe that might have been her bedroom. 292 00:12:54,441 --> 00:12:56,274 And you got a similar layout over here. 293 00:12:56,276 --> 00:12:58,309 But if people were back here that night, 294 00:12:58,311 --> 00:13:01,079 You wouldn't really be able to see them from the street. 295 00:13:01,081 --> 00:13:03,348 You're pretty protected. You can't see anyone. 296 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:04,849 Okay, alright. That's good. 297 00:13:04,851 --> 00:13:08,620 Devan's neighbor went on to tell me that one of her roommates, 298 00:13:08,622 --> 00:13:12,056 A man named jesse marshall, still lives in the area. 299 00:13:12,058 --> 00:13:13,758 I have to track him down. 300 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:19,430 ♪ 301 00:13:19,432 --> 00:13:23,434 Not only did jesse live upstairs from devan, 302 00:13:23,436 --> 00:13:28,640 But according to reports, he was the man who found her body. 303 00:13:28,642 --> 00:13:30,375 Jesse. 304 00:13:30,377 --> 00:13:33,144 I know this isn't something that's easy to talk about. 305 00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:35,146 I'm trying to figure out what happened to devan, 306 00:13:35,148 --> 00:13:37,315 And I know that you were living with her 307 00:13:37,317 --> 00:13:38,883 At the time that this all went down. 308 00:13:38,885 --> 00:13:40,151 And you guys were living -- 309 00:13:40,153 --> 00:13:42,053 You were living upstairs with your girlfriend? 310 00:13:42,055 --> 00:13:43,621 At the time, yeah. Okay. 311 00:13:43,623 --> 00:13:45,023 Walk me through that morning. 312 00:13:45,025 --> 00:13:46,524 Sure. Take me right through it. 313 00:13:46,526 --> 00:13:47,926 I mean, it was may 2nd, 314 00:13:47,928 --> 00:13:52,263 And I noticed the back door was flung wide open. 315 00:13:52,265 --> 00:13:53,464 Not normal. 316 00:13:53,466 --> 00:13:54,933 Not normal. No. No. 317 00:13:54,935 --> 00:13:56,034 And I kind of went, 318 00:13:56,036 --> 00:13:57,902 Took two steps downstairs like, "hey, devan." 319 00:13:57,904 --> 00:14:00,805 And then I went down the stairs, 320 00:14:00,807 --> 00:14:05,710 And that's when I saw her feet in the doorway. 321 00:14:05,712 --> 00:14:10,315 And I just remember, like, a big, like, fat fly, 322 00:14:10,317 --> 00:14:13,885 Like, flying, like, figure 8 and... 323 00:14:13,887 --> 00:14:18,356 It immediately just, like, didn't feel...Good. 324 00:14:18,358 --> 00:14:20,091 ♪ 325 00:14:20,093 --> 00:14:23,761 And so I went down and I touched her hip. 326 00:14:23,763 --> 00:14:27,899 She didn't feel cold, but she didn't feel warm. 327 00:14:27,901 --> 00:14:31,469 And so that's when I, like, you know, "devan. 328 00:14:31,471 --> 00:14:32,537 Hey, girl." 329 00:14:32,539 --> 00:14:35,173 You know, tried to wake her and nothing. 330 00:14:35,175 --> 00:14:38,209 And then I just jumped up and ran up the stairs 331 00:14:38,211 --> 00:14:40,178 And I was like, "somebody call 911. 332 00:14:40,180 --> 00:14:42,714 I think devan's dead." 333 00:14:42,716 --> 00:14:45,183 And then... 334 00:14:45,185 --> 00:14:49,687 They asked me if they could walk me through cpr. 335 00:14:49,689 --> 00:14:54,092 So I kept them on the phone until they arrived. 336 00:14:54,094 --> 00:14:56,694 I'm just giving her cpr. 337 00:14:56,696 --> 00:15:00,031 I was just, like, really invested at that point. 338 00:15:00,033 --> 00:15:02,800 You know, hoping that the light would come back on. 339 00:15:02,802 --> 00:15:06,104 And like, you know, just, like, looking at her eyes, 340 00:15:06,106 --> 00:15:08,773 Just hoping that, "come on," you know? 341 00:15:08,775 --> 00:15:13,444 And I just kept on going till the medics arrived 342 00:15:13,446 --> 00:15:15,580 And then they tapped me out. 343 00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:19,117 I want to talk a little bit more detail about devan 344 00:15:19,119 --> 00:15:21,019 And the condition of her body when you found her 345 00:15:21,021 --> 00:15:22,353 Because it's extremely important. 346 00:15:22,355 --> 00:15:24,088 Okay. 347 00:15:24,090 --> 00:15:27,392 When you walked downstairs, you said you saw her feet. 348 00:15:27,394 --> 00:15:28,760 Was she facedown? 349 00:15:28,762 --> 00:15:30,395 Was she facing the floor? 350 00:15:30,397 --> 00:15:31,663 What the was the con-- 351 00:15:31,665 --> 00:15:32,897 She was faceup and -- 352 00:15:32,899 --> 00:15:34,332 Wait, she was faceup? 353 00:15:34,334 --> 00:15:35,466 She was faceup. 354 00:15:35,468 --> 00:15:37,769 You didn't flip her over to resuscitate her? 355 00:15:37,771 --> 00:15:39,771 She was faceup when you found her? 356 00:15:39,773 --> 00:15:41,272 Yes. For sure. 357 00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:42,273 Okay. Okay. 358 00:15:42,275 --> 00:15:44,275 By the looks of her, 359 00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:46,277 It looked like she could've just laid down 360 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:48,613 And passed out but with her eyes open. 361 00:15:48,615 --> 00:15:50,114 I mean, she was just, like, laying there. 362 00:15:50,116 --> 00:15:52,150 I definitely thought that it could've been 363 00:15:52,152 --> 00:15:53,952 A bad reaction from a drug overdose. 364 00:15:53,954 --> 00:15:56,187 Like, I couldn't wrap my mind around 365 00:15:56,189 --> 00:15:58,656 What had really happened for a long time. 366 00:15:58,658 --> 00:15:59,824 Right. I mean, listen. 367 00:15:59,826 --> 00:16:00,892 The way I look at it, 368 00:16:00,894 --> 00:16:02,460 We could have an accidental death 369 00:16:02,462 --> 00:16:05,396 Or we could have a situation where an individual -- 370 00:16:05,398 --> 00:16:07,165 Go ahead. Say what you want to say. 371 00:16:07,167 --> 00:16:08,333 Well, I just don't -- 372 00:16:08,335 --> 00:16:10,501 Like, I mean, I don't think it was accidental. 373 00:16:10,503 --> 00:16:11,970 You know, now, looking back, 374 00:16:11,972 --> 00:16:13,838 I really don't think it was accidental. 375 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,041 I definitely think that there was foul play involved. 376 00:16:18,178 --> 00:16:20,478 Did anyone at any point hear anything, 377 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,847 Like a stumble or some type of struggle 378 00:16:22,849 --> 00:16:25,350 That happened between her and another individual? 379 00:16:25,352 --> 00:16:26,651 I mean, we all talked 380 00:16:26,653 --> 00:16:28,419 And they didn't hear anything like that. 381 00:16:28,421 --> 00:16:29,487 No one did. 382 00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:32,790 How does something violent happen to her 383 00:16:32,792 --> 00:16:35,360 Without a single person hearing anything? 384 00:16:35,362 --> 00:16:38,229 I hope that's what you can figure out. 385 00:16:38,231 --> 00:16:39,297 I don't know. 386 00:16:39,299 --> 00:16:44,669 ♪ 387 00:16:44,671 --> 00:16:47,005 So far, everyone I've spoken to 388 00:16:47,007 --> 00:16:49,507 Seems to think devan's death was a homicide. 389 00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:52,677 But that doesn't change the fact that the medical examiner 390 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:56,848 Ultimately ruled her cause and manner of death as undetermined. 391 00:16:56,850 --> 00:16:58,282 With that in mind, 392 00:16:58,284 --> 00:17:01,953 I'm ready to meet with my own expert, dr. Kanthi de alwis. 393 00:17:01,955 --> 00:17:03,421 As a pathologist 394 00:17:03,423 --> 00:17:05,890 With the honolulu medical examiner's office 395 00:17:05,892 --> 00:17:07,058 For over 30 years, 396 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:09,293 Most recently as a chief medical examiner, 397 00:17:09,295 --> 00:17:12,597 Dr. De alwis has performed over 10,000 autopsies 398 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:15,733 And acted as expert witness in roughly 1,000 trials. 399 00:17:15,735 --> 00:17:18,436 Can we break it down, the autopsy report, 400 00:17:18,438 --> 00:17:19,604 Into two different sections? 401 00:17:19,606 --> 00:17:21,739 I think it'll be easier for me to interpret. 402 00:17:21,741 --> 00:17:23,975 First, I want to start with devan's injuries. 403 00:17:23,977 --> 00:17:26,077 Could you go over the more significant ones? 404 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:27,078 Yes. 405 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,913 ♪ 406 00:17:28,915 --> 00:17:32,917 The medical examiner described an injury 407 00:17:32,919 --> 00:17:36,821 To her left side of the neck 408 00:17:36,823 --> 00:17:39,557 And that was inside the soft tissues, 409 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:40,825 Inside the neck. 410 00:17:40,827 --> 00:17:43,728 Not just on the skin or on the surface, 411 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:45,730 Way inside the tissue. 412 00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:48,332 And that was consistent with 413 00:17:48,334 --> 00:17:51,335 A compressive force to that area. 414 00:17:51,337 --> 00:17:53,438 Then she also had -- 415 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,741 Inside her lip, there was an injury, 416 00:17:56,743 --> 00:17:59,911 Which was consistent with the lip area 417 00:17:59,913 --> 00:18:02,380 Getting compressed against the teeth. 418 00:18:02,382 --> 00:18:05,483 In addition, there was bruising 419 00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:08,553 To the top part of her hips 420 00:18:08,555 --> 00:18:11,689 On both sides, not one side, 421 00:18:11,691 --> 00:18:13,758 As well as over her knees. 422 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,462 This was extensive bruising, not just a small bruise, 423 00:18:17,464 --> 00:18:20,665 As well as the top of her feet. 424 00:18:20,667 --> 00:18:22,800 And these are not consistent 425 00:18:22,802 --> 00:18:26,137 With just somebody falling and hitting the floor. 426 00:18:26,139 --> 00:18:29,440 These are consistent with a forceful compression 427 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:30,942 While she's facedown. 428 00:18:30,944 --> 00:18:33,244 So all of these injuries together 429 00:18:33,246 --> 00:18:36,447 Are indicative of someone who is laying facedown. 430 00:18:36,449 --> 00:18:37,582 Yes. 431 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:38,616 Well, then how do you explain in the photos, 432 00:18:38,618 --> 00:18:39,984 She was faceup when she was found. 433 00:18:39,986 --> 00:18:41,152 How would explain that? 434 00:18:41,154 --> 00:18:42,720 The body has been moved. 435 00:18:42,722 --> 00:18:45,123 That's interesting. 436 00:18:45,125 --> 00:18:49,460 In my opinion, her body has been moved 437 00:18:49,462 --> 00:18:52,630 After she sustained these injuries 438 00:18:52,632 --> 00:18:54,532 That were significant. 439 00:18:54,534 --> 00:18:56,534 Dr. De alwis tells me 440 00:18:56,536 --> 00:18:58,970 That because of the injuries to devan's neck, 441 00:18:58,972 --> 00:19:02,173 She can't rule out that devan had been choked. 442 00:19:02,175 --> 00:19:04,242 Doctor, what we've talked about so far 443 00:19:04,244 --> 00:19:07,011 Paints a picture of foul play being involved somehow. 444 00:19:07,013 --> 00:19:08,946 And yet, we have a medical examiner 445 00:19:08,948 --> 00:19:11,249 Who ruled the manner of death undetermined. 446 00:19:11,251 --> 00:19:12,583 Correct. 447 00:19:12,585 --> 00:19:15,620 I can see that because she had cocaine in her blood, 448 00:19:15,622 --> 00:19:17,655 As well as in her stomach. 449 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:18,956 For me, 450 00:19:18,958 --> 00:19:21,058 It was one of the strangest aspects of the this case. 451 00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:22,994 While the medical examiner found 452 00:19:22,996 --> 00:19:25,696 3.1 milligrams of cocaine in devan's blood, 453 00:19:25,698 --> 00:19:27,865 Which you would expect to find in someone 454 00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:29,867 After a night of using the drug, 455 00:19:29,869 --> 00:19:33,371 They also found over 50 milligrams of unabsorbed cocaine 456 00:19:33,373 --> 00:19:35,406 In her stomach. 457 00:19:35,408 --> 00:19:37,275 So, this is a high level of cocaine, 458 00:19:37,277 --> 00:19:40,044 But she hasn't had time 459 00:19:40,046 --> 00:19:43,381 To get all this cocaine absorbed into the blood. 460 00:19:43,383 --> 00:19:46,684 Because had all this cocaine been absorbed, 461 00:19:46,686 --> 00:19:50,755 The level in blood could have been much higher than 3.1. 462 00:19:50,757 --> 00:19:52,723 Is it fair to say 463 00:19:52,725 --> 00:19:55,693 That cocaine couldn't have caused her death, then? 464 00:19:55,695 --> 00:19:57,695 I cannot rule that out at this point. 465 00:19:57,697 --> 00:19:59,564 We have to take the whole picture 466 00:19:59,566 --> 00:20:01,832 Of all the other injuries and the cocaine. 467 00:20:01,834 --> 00:20:04,702 So I need to know more information -- 468 00:20:04,704 --> 00:20:07,171 How was her mind-set that night? 469 00:20:07,173 --> 00:20:09,574 Has she ever had any suicidal intent 470 00:20:09,576 --> 00:20:11,442 Or prior suicide attempts? 471 00:20:11,444 --> 00:20:14,045 Or was she in a psychotic state 472 00:20:14,047 --> 00:20:15,846 With this high level of cocaine, 473 00:20:15,848 --> 00:20:19,283 Where she was banging her head all over the place 474 00:20:19,285 --> 00:20:22,486 Or banging her body in that excited delirium? 475 00:20:22,488 --> 00:20:24,589 Right. And that can happen. 476 00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:29,026 Dr. De alwis made it pretty clear what we'd need 477 00:20:29,028 --> 00:20:32,597 In order to come to any sort of resolution with the case. 478 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:35,533 If I have any chance of getting the answers the she asked for, 479 00:20:35,535 --> 00:20:38,202 I need to find at least one of the three people 480 00:20:38,204 --> 00:20:42,773 Partying with devan that night, her last night alive. 481 00:20:42,775 --> 00:20:44,108 Narrator: Coming up... 482 00:20:44,110 --> 00:20:46,711 The reason he went back to devan's house 483 00:20:46,713 --> 00:20:49,046 Was to ask if she had more cocaine. 484 00:20:49,048 --> 00:20:50,114 ♪ 485 00:20:50,116 --> 00:20:51,249 That's what he said. 486 00:20:51,251 --> 00:20:52,750 That doesn't make sense. 487 00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:55,186 ♪ 488 00:21:01,828 --> 00:21:05,062 ♪ 489 00:21:05,064 --> 00:21:06,998 Levasseur: Devan schmidt was found dead 490 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,734 On the morning of may 2, 2015. 491 00:21:09,736 --> 00:21:11,202 Was she murdered, 492 00:21:11,204 --> 00:21:14,805 Or did she die from an overdose after partying with friends? 493 00:21:14,807 --> 00:21:18,843 ♪ 494 00:21:18,845 --> 00:21:21,012 After reviewing the autopsy, 495 00:21:21,014 --> 00:21:23,514 My own pathologist had a lot of questions 496 00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:25,850 About what really happened that morning. 497 00:21:25,852 --> 00:21:27,852 The only way to get those answers 498 00:21:27,854 --> 00:21:29,854 Is to get one of the other three people 499 00:21:29,856 --> 00:21:34,225 Who were at the house with devan that morning to talk to me. 500 00:21:34,227 --> 00:21:37,828 I still haven't had any luck finding dominique or k.T., 501 00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:39,497 But after repeated calls, 502 00:21:39,499 --> 00:21:42,566 One of my team members was able to talk to erick sims, 503 00:21:42,568 --> 00:21:44,835 The man devan's sister thinks 504 00:21:44,837 --> 00:21:46,470 Had something to do with her death. 505 00:21:46,472 --> 00:21:48,739 Yeah, tell me. Fill me in. What did he have to say? 506 00:21:48,741 --> 00:21:51,142 Woman: He actually had a lot to say. 507 00:21:51,144 --> 00:21:53,411 In erick sims' version of events, 508 00:21:53,413 --> 00:21:56,580 He actually believes that devan took her own life. 509 00:21:56,582 --> 00:21:58,516 ♪ 510 00:21:58,518 --> 00:22:01,252 Sims told us that at some point 511 00:22:01,254 --> 00:22:03,254 While they were partying that night, 512 00:22:03,256 --> 00:22:07,058 He and devan decided to go get cigarettes. 513 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:09,360 But then, on the way to the store, 514 00:22:09,362 --> 00:22:11,696 She had him stop at a nearby lake. 515 00:22:11,698 --> 00:22:15,399 Once they were there, erick said devan took off her clothes, 516 00:22:15,401 --> 00:22:18,336 Jumped in, and invited him to do the same. 517 00:22:18,338 --> 00:22:21,472 They then swam out to a dock, at which point, 518 00:22:21,474 --> 00:22:23,908 Devan suddenly became despondent, 519 00:22:23,910 --> 00:22:26,744 Telling him that she just wanted to get away from it all. 520 00:22:26,746 --> 00:22:29,613 After that, he said she kissed him. 521 00:22:29,615 --> 00:22:31,615 ♪ 522 00:22:31,617 --> 00:22:35,920 Then they proceeded to go back to the party, 523 00:22:35,922 --> 00:22:38,055 To devan's place, until the morning, 524 00:22:38,057 --> 00:22:40,191 When they all decided to part ways. 525 00:22:40,193 --> 00:22:42,893 Erick admits that he went back to the apartment 526 00:22:42,895 --> 00:22:45,129 After k.T. And dominique left 527 00:22:45,131 --> 00:22:48,566 But that it was to see if devan had any more cocaine. 528 00:22:48,568 --> 00:22:52,636 He says she never answered the door, so he left. 529 00:22:52,638 --> 00:22:56,707 ♪ 530 00:22:56,709 --> 00:22:59,243 Erick said he'd be able to meet in a few days, 531 00:22:59,245 --> 00:23:04,148 Which means I still have time to try and corroborate his story 532 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:07,852 Before asking him about it face-to-face. 533 00:23:07,854 --> 00:23:10,654 [ birds cawing ] 534 00:23:10,656 --> 00:23:17,027 ♪ 535 00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:20,297 We're about a mile away from where devan lived, 536 00:23:20,299 --> 00:23:23,267 And according to erick sims, him and devan left the house, 537 00:23:23,269 --> 00:23:25,970 They came down here, they went skinny-dipping, 538 00:23:25,972 --> 00:23:27,605 They swam out to one of these two docks, 539 00:23:27,607 --> 00:23:29,840 And according to him, they kissed. 540 00:23:29,842 --> 00:23:32,476 The problem with that is all we have 541 00:23:32,478 --> 00:23:34,311 Is erick sims' statement over a phone, 542 00:23:34,313 --> 00:23:36,947 And I'm not willing to go just off that. 543 00:23:36,949 --> 00:23:38,449 ♪ 544 00:23:38,451 --> 00:23:40,985 We have to talk to one of the two other people 545 00:23:40,987 --> 00:23:42,553 That were at the party that night. 546 00:23:42,555 --> 00:23:44,922 We got to find dominique or k.T. 547 00:23:44,924 --> 00:23:52,296 ♪ 548 00:23:52,298 --> 00:23:54,799 My associate frank asked to meet with me 549 00:23:54,801 --> 00:23:57,435 Because he had some important information to share. 550 00:23:57,437 --> 00:23:59,303 Because of the nature of his work, 551 00:23:59,305 --> 00:24:00,304 We need to hide his identity. 552 00:24:00,306 --> 00:24:01,405 Levasseur: What's up, brother? 553 00:24:01,407 --> 00:24:02,540 Frank: Hey, derrick. How are you? 554 00:24:02,542 --> 00:24:03,874 You tell me. What do you got? 555 00:24:03,876 --> 00:24:06,043 Been working all day. We got dominique for you. 556 00:24:06,045 --> 00:24:07,545 She's agreed to meet with you. 557 00:24:07,547 --> 00:24:09,213 On the hook, willing to talk? 558 00:24:09,215 --> 00:24:10,781 100%. On camera? 559 00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:12,716 On camera. I'm there. 560 00:24:12,718 --> 00:24:13,918 I'm good. That's number-one priority. 561 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,985 She puts me inside the apartment 562 00:24:14,987 --> 00:24:16,020 The night of the incident. 563 00:24:16,022 --> 00:24:17,121 There's no way I'm not gonna be there. 564 00:24:17,123 --> 00:24:18,689 Was that it? No. 565 00:24:18,691 --> 00:24:21,892 The other thing I got is erick sims' criminal record. 566 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:25,196 This guy's been arrested 27 times. 567 00:24:25,198 --> 00:24:27,097 He had delivery charges of narcotics, 568 00:24:27,099 --> 00:24:30,100 Gun charge, domestic violence. 569 00:24:30,102 --> 00:24:32,236 So this guy's been in the system? 570 00:24:32,238 --> 00:24:34,271 Yes. This guy made a living selling drugs. 571 00:24:34,273 --> 00:24:36,073 Yeah, look at it. Right here. Right. 572 00:24:36,075 --> 00:24:37,675 "substance manufacture and intent to deliver." 573 00:24:37,677 --> 00:24:38,709 Right. 574 00:24:38,711 --> 00:24:40,911 "guilty plea." holy [bleep] 575 00:24:40,913 --> 00:24:42,012 And he actually -- 576 00:24:42,014 --> 00:24:43,881 It looks like he has an assault in 2016, too. 577 00:24:43,883 --> 00:24:44,882 Yep. 578 00:24:44,884 --> 00:24:45,983 Well, listen. 579 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:46,984 I'll head over to meet dominique right now, 580 00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:48,419 If you want to text me the address. 581 00:24:48,421 --> 00:24:50,554 I don't want her waiting or having a chance to change her mind. 582 00:24:50,556 --> 00:24:52,189 Alright, I'll text you. Alright, brother. Thanks. 583 00:24:52,191 --> 00:24:59,663 ♪ 584 00:25:04,637 --> 00:25:05,870 Hi. Come in? 585 00:25:05,872 --> 00:25:07,304 Hello. Come in. 586 00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:10,107 I met devan. I worked at club. 587 00:25:10,109 --> 00:25:12,610 She started working shortly after me, 588 00:25:12,612 --> 00:25:15,779 And just one of those people, like, a kindred spirit. 589 00:25:15,781 --> 00:25:19,083 We were inseparable from the time we met. 590 00:25:19,085 --> 00:25:20,784 Talk about the evening 591 00:25:20,786 --> 00:25:23,020 Leading up to this whole ordeal that took place. 592 00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:26,757 My boyfriend at the time, k.T., and I went over 593 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:30,327 With erick sims, who was a friend of k.T.'s, 594 00:25:30,329 --> 00:25:34,265 And I remember all of us sitting around. 595 00:25:34,267 --> 00:25:36,267 I remember there being cocaine. 596 00:25:36,269 --> 00:25:37,935 We were listening to music, chatting. 597 00:25:37,937 --> 00:25:40,804 Cocaine makes you talk fast and about everything, 598 00:25:40,806 --> 00:25:44,108 So that was kind of the theme of the night. 599 00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:46,810 Devan and erick left at some point. 600 00:25:46,812 --> 00:25:49,847 I can't remember what they had left for, 601 00:25:49,849 --> 00:25:51,615 Cigarettes or something. 602 00:25:51,617 --> 00:25:53,384 When she came back, she told me 603 00:25:53,386 --> 00:25:55,286 That they had gone to lake washington 604 00:25:55,288 --> 00:25:56,353 And skinny-dipped 605 00:25:56,355 --> 00:25:58,455 And that she had made out with this guy, 606 00:25:58,457 --> 00:26:02,026 And we didn't really discuss it too much further. 607 00:26:02,028 --> 00:26:04,662 The guys had come back in from smoking or whatever, 608 00:26:04,664 --> 00:26:06,030 And we weren't alone. 609 00:26:06,032 --> 00:26:08,299 Something I figured we'd talk about later. 610 00:26:08,301 --> 00:26:10,668 And the next morning, 611 00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:13,203 It was probably around 7:00 a.M., 612 00:26:13,205 --> 00:26:14,905 So we ended up leaving. 613 00:26:14,907 --> 00:26:16,840 I got a phone call from devan 614 00:26:16,842 --> 00:26:19,009 Probably 10 minutes after I left, 615 00:26:19,011 --> 00:26:22,012 And she had told me that erick had come back to her house 616 00:26:22,014 --> 00:26:23,647 And was like, "what do I do? 617 00:26:23,649 --> 00:26:25,349 Like, I want him out of here." 618 00:26:25,351 --> 00:26:26,717 I want to make sure I have it right. 619 00:26:26,719 --> 00:26:27,851 She called you or texted you? 620 00:26:27,853 --> 00:26:28,819 She called. 621 00:26:28,821 --> 00:26:30,154 I had read somewhere 622 00:26:30,156 --> 00:26:33,223 That there was a text message that allegedly said, 623 00:26:33,225 --> 00:26:35,059 "hey, your boy's back. How do I get rid of him?" 624 00:26:35,061 --> 00:26:36,327 But what it sounds like to me, 625 00:26:36,329 --> 00:26:38,362 That in all actuality, it was a phone call. 626 00:26:38,364 --> 00:26:39,897 It was a phone call. She definitely called. 627 00:26:39,899 --> 00:26:41,465 Did she sound scared or frightened? 628 00:26:41,467 --> 00:26:43,133 She didn't sound scared or frightened. 629 00:26:43,135 --> 00:26:45,669 And we asked her if she wanted us to come back, 630 00:26:45,671 --> 00:26:47,037 And she said no, she's fine. 631 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,706 I didn't talk to her after that. 632 00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:50,341 We had tried to call her a couple times, 633 00:26:50,343 --> 00:26:51,742 And she didn't answer. 634 00:26:51,744 --> 00:26:54,712 When you left that morning, what was devan's condition? 635 00:26:54,714 --> 00:26:56,146 Was she coherent? Was she awake? Oh, yeah. 636 00:26:56,148 --> 00:26:57,348 She was cheery. 637 00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:59,550 She was dancing around in the grass. 638 00:26:59,552 --> 00:27:01,652 Like, just being her normal self. 639 00:27:01,654 --> 00:27:03,921 Who, from what you understand, 640 00:27:03,923 --> 00:27:06,390 Brought the cocaine to her house that night? 641 00:27:06,392 --> 00:27:07,391 Erick sims. 642 00:27:07,393 --> 00:27:09,193 Erick sims brought the cocaine? 643 00:27:09,195 --> 00:27:10,394 Mm-hmm. 644 00:27:10,396 --> 00:27:11,962 Erick was usually the one that supplied the cocaine 645 00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:14,732 Anytime that we spent time with him. 646 00:27:14,734 --> 00:27:16,900 Is it safe to say he was a -- is he just someone 647 00:27:16,902 --> 00:27:18,569 Who always got it for himself recreationally 648 00:27:18,571 --> 00:27:19,570 Or was he a dealer? 649 00:27:19,572 --> 00:27:21,805 Mm, I would say a dealer. 650 00:27:21,807 --> 00:27:23,440 ♪ 651 00:27:23,442 --> 00:27:25,075 The reason I ask you that 652 00:27:25,077 --> 00:27:28,479 Is because we actually made contact with erick sims, 653 00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:31,081 And he said that the reason 654 00:27:31,083 --> 00:27:33,417 He went back to devan's house 655 00:27:33,419 --> 00:27:35,586 Was to ask her if she had more cocaine. 656 00:27:35,588 --> 00:27:38,522 Hmm, yeah, that's weird. 657 00:27:38,524 --> 00:27:40,057 That's what he said. 658 00:27:40,059 --> 00:27:43,794 That doesn't make sense. 659 00:27:43,796 --> 00:27:47,231 He was very descriptive about what happened at the lake. 660 00:27:47,233 --> 00:27:49,233 She took her clothes off first. 661 00:27:49,235 --> 00:27:51,368 She actually called him into the lake, 662 00:27:51,370 --> 00:27:52,736 Said, "hey, you know. 663 00:27:52,738 --> 00:27:53,871 Come on in with me." 664 00:27:53,873 --> 00:27:55,873 She started swimming out to a dock. 665 00:27:55,875 --> 00:27:57,641 When they got out to the dock, 666 00:27:57,643 --> 00:27:59,243 She started talking a little weird to him. 667 00:27:59,245 --> 00:28:02,646 She said, you know, "listen, I just want disappear." 668 00:28:02,648 --> 00:28:04,982 Does that sound like the mind-set that devan was in? 669 00:28:04,984 --> 00:28:09,019 Mm, she never mentioned anything like that to me. 670 00:28:10,456 --> 00:28:11,789 And he does acknowledge, you know -- 671 00:28:11,791 --> 00:28:13,524 And this was another question that I had for you, 672 00:28:13,526 --> 00:28:14,958 But you've already kind of answered it, 673 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,695 Which is, you know, he said she kissed him. 674 00:28:17,697 --> 00:28:18,996 Mm-hmm. 675 00:28:18,998 --> 00:28:20,297 And I have no reason not to believe that at this point. 676 00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:21,632 I don't, either. 677 00:28:21,634 --> 00:28:24,134 Why are you getting a little emotional right there? 678 00:28:24,136 --> 00:28:26,003 [ chuckles ] 679 00:28:26,005 --> 00:28:27,771 It's just emotional. 680 00:28:27,773 --> 00:28:29,139 And that, too. 681 00:28:29,141 --> 00:28:31,141 If she said something like that, 682 00:28:31,143 --> 00:28:34,011 I don't -- I don't -- I don't know what to think. 683 00:28:34,013 --> 00:28:35,813 Is it possible that's how she was really feeling? 684 00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:37,314 I hope not. 685 00:28:37,316 --> 00:28:39,483 She never gave me any reason 686 00:28:39,485 --> 00:28:42,019 To think she felt that way. 687 00:28:42,021 --> 00:28:44,221 Knowing what you know now, 688 00:28:44,223 --> 00:28:45,823 What do you think happened that night? 689 00:28:45,825 --> 00:28:47,291 I don't really know. 690 00:28:47,293 --> 00:28:51,161 I don't want to accuse somebody of something so horrible, 691 00:28:51,163 --> 00:28:53,864 You know, if that's not a true thing, 692 00:28:53,866 --> 00:28:56,633 But to me, if I had to point a finger, 693 00:28:56,635 --> 00:29:00,037 I feel like erick is responsible at least in some way. 694 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:01,772 ♪ 695 00:29:01,774 --> 00:29:03,607 Narrator: Coming up... 696 00:29:03,609 --> 00:29:04,842 If she fell on her on own, 697 00:29:04,844 --> 00:29:06,343 What would you expect to see when she fell? 698 00:29:06,345 --> 00:29:08,545 She would likely reach out her hand, 699 00:29:08,547 --> 00:29:10,581 Or she would reach out her foot. 700 00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:12,616 So we would actually expect a far different injury pattern. 701 00:29:12,618 --> 00:29:16,353 ♪ 702 00:29:22,928 --> 00:29:26,130 ♪ 703 00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:29,099 Levasseur: Devan schmidt spent the last few hours of her life 704 00:29:29,101 --> 00:29:31,101 Hanging out with three other people -- 705 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:34,772 A man named k.T., k.T.'s friend erick sims, 706 00:29:34,774 --> 00:29:37,975 And devan's best friend, dominique dixon. 707 00:29:37,977 --> 00:29:40,577 I'm still waiting to have my sit-down 708 00:29:40,579 --> 00:29:43,046 With person of interest erick sims. 709 00:29:43,048 --> 00:29:47,017 Based on the holes dominique poked in his previous statement, 710 00:29:47,019 --> 00:29:49,620 I have a lot of questions to ask him. 711 00:29:49,622 --> 00:29:51,155 But then... 712 00:29:51,157 --> 00:29:54,091 "I am not interested in your program. 713 00:29:54,093 --> 00:29:58,695 I don't want to be contacted by you or any of your associates." 714 00:29:58,697 --> 00:29:59,863 Uh... 715 00:29:59,865 --> 00:30:02,866 "I will get legal assistance to enforce that." 716 00:30:02,868 --> 00:30:05,936 Really? Well, that's a change of heart. 717 00:30:05,938 --> 00:30:08,839 Erick's about-face seems potentially suspicious 718 00:30:08,841 --> 00:30:11,441 And leaves a lot of unanswered questions. 719 00:30:11,443 --> 00:30:16,146 But there was one part of his story I could try to verify. 720 00:30:16,148 --> 00:30:18,448 Earlier, erick had indicated 721 00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:20,417 That devan had taken her own life, 722 00:30:20,419 --> 00:30:22,786 But could that explain the massive bruising 723 00:30:22,788 --> 00:30:24,154 She had on her body? 724 00:30:24,156 --> 00:30:27,591 My own expert pathologist wondered if devan's injuries 725 00:30:27,593 --> 00:30:29,259 Could have been self-inflicted 726 00:30:29,261 --> 00:30:32,496 While she was in the throes of a violent cocaine delirium. 727 00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:34,731 I need to see if it was even possible 728 00:30:34,733 --> 00:30:37,768 For devan to cause those types of injuries to herself. 729 00:30:37,770 --> 00:30:38,802 Hey, guys. 730 00:30:38,804 --> 00:30:40,204 Hello. How's it going? 731 00:30:40,206 --> 00:30:41,238 Nice to meet you. 732 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,273 So I'm meeting with dr. Rami hashish 733 00:30:43,275 --> 00:30:44,575 And his team 734 00:30:44,577 --> 00:30:47,177 At the university of washington's biomechanics lab. 735 00:30:47,179 --> 00:30:48,946 I know you guys had a chance 736 00:30:48,948 --> 00:30:52,282 To look at devan schmidt's autopsy report, the photos. 737 00:30:52,284 --> 00:30:54,318 What was your first impressions? 738 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,686 What stood out to you? 739 00:30:55,688 --> 00:30:57,321 What really stood out 740 00:30:57,323 --> 00:31:00,958 Was the marked bruising on the front of the body. 741 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,259 So specifically, 742 00:31:02,261 --> 00:31:04,628 There was bruising right here 743 00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:08,065 At the top of the hips around the iliac crest. 744 00:31:08,067 --> 00:31:10,667 And this is a small spinal model, 745 00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:12,169 So this is the iliac crest. 746 00:31:12,171 --> 00:31:14,705 And these two points are referred to 747 00:31:14,707 --> 00:31:17,341 As the anterior superior iliac spines. 748 00:31:17,343 --> 00:31:20,510 So there was really bruising along these two regions 749 00:31:20,512 --> 00:31:22,346 And that's evident right here. 750 00:31:22,348 --> 00:31:23,480 Okay. 751 00:31:23,482 --> 00:31:25,682 There was also bruising on the patellas, 752 00:31:25,684 --> 00:31:27,584 Or the kneecaps, right here. 753 00:31:27,586 --> 00:31:28,919 Mm-hmm. 754 00:31:28,921 --> 00:31:31,521 And then there was also bruising on the tops of the feet 755 00:31:31,523 --> 00:31:33,824 Or what's referred to as the dorsum of the foot 756 00:31:33,826 --> 00:31:36,894 And that's right here. 757 00:31:36,896 --> 00:31:38,495 One of the theories surrounding her death 758 00:31:38,497 --> 00:31:41,665 Is that this was an overdose and it was an accident, 759 00:31:41,667 --> 00:31:44,735 But she just naturally fell to the ground on her own. 760 00:31:44,737 --> 00:31:46,403 So we can examine that. 761 00:31:46,405 --> 00:31:48,438 So, what we have here on the ground 762 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,207 Is essentially a pressure mat. 763 00:31:50,209 --> 00:31:51,742 And, amanda, do you mind 764 00:31:51,744 --> 00:31:54,778 If you actually lay down on the pressure mat? 765 00:31:54,780 --> 00:31:57,381 Okay, so, this box here on the screen 766 00:31:57,383 --> 00:32:00,083 Represents that pressure mat. 767 00:32:00,085 --> 00:32:01,285 And as it becomes more pinkish, 768 00:32:01,287 --> 00:32:02,419 That would indicate 769 00:32:02,421 --> 00:32:04,721 That there's more pressure being applied. 770 00:32:04,723 --> 00:32:07,024 Just simply laying down 771 00:32:07,026 --> 00:32:09,559 In this prone-stomach position, 772 00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:11,895 There's not that much pressure 773 00:32:11,897 --> 00:32:13,297 Being applied to the hips. 774 00:32:13,299 --> 00:32:16,566 Otherwise, we would see this pressure map start to heat up. 775 00:32:16,568 --> 00:32:17,601 Okay. 776 00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:19,102 So, now what I'm going to do 777 00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:21,071 Is I'm gonna apply an external pressure, 778 00:32:21,073 --> 00:32:23,407 An external force to amanda's back 779 00:32:23,409 --> 00:32:24,908 So we can actually see 780 00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:27,077 If there's any alteration of pressure 781 00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,413 And how that actually is reflected. 782 00:32:29,415 --> 00:32:30,781 Okay. Okay. 783 00:32:30,783 --> 00:32:32,749 So, amanda, do you mind if I press down on your back? 784 00:32:32,751 --> 00:32:33,750 No. Go ahead. 785 00:32:33,752 --> 00:32:35,552 Okay. 786 00:32:35,554 --> 00:32:37,955 Okay, yeah. 787 00:32:37,957 --> 00:32:41,224 And I'm applying pressure specifically to her back, 788 00:32:41,226 --> 00:32:43,560 Which is essentially being directed 789 00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,729 To her anterior hips touching into the ground. 790 00:32:45,731 --> 00:32:48,565 The amount of pressure which I applied 791 00:32:48,567 --> 00:32:51,568 Is approximately about 40 pounds of force. 792 00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:52,703 Okay. 793 00:32:52,705 --> 00:32:54,738 Based on what you just showed me here, 794 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:57,240 For her to naturally lay down on her own, 795 00:32:57,242 --> 00:32:59,276 That force would not have been replicated. 796 00:32:59,278 --> 00:33:00,277 Is that fair to say? 797 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:01,812 That's fair to say. 798 00:33:01,814 --> 00:33:03,113 If she had been standing 799 00:33:03,115 --> 00:33:04,948 And abruptly fell for whatever reason, 800 00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:06,850 Whether it was an overdose, she tripped, 801 00:33:06,852 --> 00:33:08,952 Whatever it may be -- if she fell on her own, 802 00:33:08,954 --> 00:33:11,154 What would you expect to see when she fell? 803 00:33:11,156 --> 00:33:12,656 So, if she's conscious, 804 00:33:12,658 --> 00:33:15,025 She would likely reach out her hand, 805 00:33:15,027 --> 00:33:18,628 Or she would reach out her foot to kind of prevent the fall. 806 00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:20,163 Perhaps both. Right. 807 00:33:20,165 --> 00:33:21,598 So for instance, actually, 808 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,767 When people fall with an outstretched arm, 809 00:33:23,769 --> 00:33:25,302 It's called a foosh fracture -- 810 00:33:25,304 --> 00:33:26,703 Fallen with an outstretched hand. 811 00:33:26,705 --> 00:33:28,839 So we'd actually expect a far different injury pattern. 812 00:33:28,841 --> 00:33:29,840 Okay. 813 00:33:29,842 --> 00:33:31,441 So if somebody's falling unconscious, 814 00:33:31,443 --> 00:33:34,878 Then we would expect potentially more impact to the face, 815 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,980 The nose perhaps, the forehead. 816 00:33:36,982 --> 00:33:38,382 And we would expect bruising, 817 00:33:38,384 --> 00:33:40,317 Potentially even more severe injuries. 818 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:42,486 Right, and we know that that was not the case with devan. 819 00:33:42,488 --> 00:33:45,422 The only injury to her face was a minor cut inside her lip. 820 00:33:45,424 --> 00:33:46,423 That was it. 821 00:33:46,425 --> 00:33:47,624 Yes. 822 00:33:47,626 --> 00:33:49,659 And I want to touch on specifically 823 00:33:49,661 --> 00:33:51,128 The knees and the toes. 824 00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:53,463 What would cause those types of injuries, 825 00:33:53,465 --> 00:33:55,032 That type of bruising? 826 00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:56,633 Well, it's not necessarily just the toes. 827 00:33:56,635 --> 00:33:59,636 It's actually the top of the dorsum of the foot. 828 00:33:59,638 --> 00:34:02,039 So for the guys like me, 829 00:34:02,041 --> 00:34:03,673 This is the top of the foot here? 830 00:34:03,675 --> 00:34:05,409 Yeah, that's the dorsum of the foot. 831 00:34:05,411 --> 00:34:07,711 Okay, so this top area, which would not probably -- 832 00:34:07,713 --> 00:34:09,713 Even here, it's not really coming in contact. 833 00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:10,881 Exactly. Exactly. Okay. 834 00:34:10,883 --> 00:34:12,783 But if we go back to the pressure mat, 835 00:34:12,785 --> 00:34:14,651 And we look at this. 836 00:34:14,653 --> 00:34:18,055 If I press down here, we can now see 837 00:34:18,057 --> 00:34:21,992 That there is contact with the dorsum of the foot 838 00:34:21,994 --> 00:34:23,760 With the pressure mat 839 00:34:23,762 --> 00:34:25,395 And there actually being a pressure applied to it. 840 00:34:25,397 --> 00:34:27,664 So she couldn't have created that bruising 841 00:34:27,666 --> 00:34:29,566 To the top of her foot on her own? 842 00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:31,201 By just applying a static -- 843 00:34:31,203 --> 00:34:32,669 By her just doing it? 844 00:34:32,671 --> 00:34:34,004 If she was kicking. 845 00:34:34,006 --> 00:34:35,205 Is she was kicking. 846 00:34:35,207 --> 00:34:36,873 Correct. I gotcha. Okay. 847 00:34:36,875 --> 00:34:38,542 And then you have to ask the question -- 848 00:34:38,544 --> 00:34:39,676 If she were alone, 849 00:34:39,678 --> 00:34:41,278 Why would she be kicking her feet up and down 850 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,746 While she's laying on the ground? 851 00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:44,548 Rami, this is your field of expertise, 852 00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:46,116 So I have to ask you, 853 00:34:46,118 --> 00:34:48,452 What do you think happened to devan? 854 00:34:48,454 --> 00:34:52,355 ♪ 855 00:34:52,357 --> 00:34:54,357 It's finally time to meet back up 856 00:34:54,359 --> 00:34:57,360 With my expert pathologist and tell her what I found. 857 00:34:57,362 --> 00:35:00,564 You asked me to get you some more information about devan, 858 00:35:00,566 --> 00:35:02,432 Her history, and not only her history, 859 00:35:02,434 --> 00:35:04,067 But also if I could find out 860 00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:06,103 What happened the night of her death. 861 00:35:06,105 --> 00:35:08,371 I was able to contact one of her best friends, 862 00:35:08,373 --> 00:35:09,406 Dominique dixon. 863 00:35:09,408 --> 00:35:11,575 She was actually the woman with her 864 00:35:11,577 --> 00:35:13,276 The night before she died. 865 00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:15,846 So that whole night, they were together. 866 00:35:15,848 --> 00:35:16,947 Couple things. 867 00:35:16,949 --> 00:35:19,950 First off, she admitted that her and devan 868 00:35:19,952 --> 00:35:22,352 Had used cocaine recreationally. 869 00:35:22,354 --> 00:35:23,987 They were all drinking alcohol, 870 00:35:23,989 --> 00:35:25,489 They were all doing cocaine. 871 00:35:25,491 --> 00:35:27,724 Talk about suicidal tendencies, 872 00:35:27,726 --> 00:35:29,459 Any history of depression, 873 00:35:29,461 --> 00:35:31,261 Dominique said, "never saw it." 874 00:35:31,263 --> 00:35:32,696 Devan was a happy girl. 875 00:35:32,698 --> 00:35:34,731 She was always the life of the party. 876 00:35:34,733 --> 00:35:36,399 She got along with everyone. 877 00:35:36,401 --> 00:35:38,034 No suicidal tendencies? 878 00:35:38,036 --> 00:35:39,402 No prior attempts? 879 00:35:39,404 --> 00:35:40,604 Nothing. 880 00:35:40,606 --> 00:35:42,539 Is there a plausible scenario 881 00:35:42,541 --> 00:35:45,675 Where either this was some type of natural occurrence 882 00:35:45,677 --> 00:35:48,111 Or an accident where it was self-inflicted? 883 00:35:48,113 --> 00:35:50,113 It happened while she was alone? 884 00:35:50,115 --> 00:35:51,915 Is it possible? 885 00:35:51,917 --> 00:35:54,951 And I went to a doctor who specializes in biomechanics, 886 00:35:54,953 --> 00:35:57,087 A dr. Rami hashish. 887 00:35:57,089 --> 00:35:59,923 I want to show you this and just get your opinion on it. 888 00:35:59,925 --> 00:36:01,124 Okay, very good. 889 00:36:01,126 --> 00:36:02,726 So, now what I'm going to do 890 00:36:02,728 --> 00:36:05,195 Is I'm gonna apply an external pressure, 891 00:36:05,197 --> 00:36:07,564 An external force to amanda's back. 892 00:36:07,566 --> 00:36:08,665 Okay. 893 00:36:08,667 --> 00:36:10,834 Okay, yeah. 894 00:36:10,836 --> 00:36:13,837 As I press down on amanda's back, 895 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:16,907 We can see those two respective regions 896 00:36:16,909 --> 00:36:19,543 And those represent the pressure 897 00:36:19,545 --> 00:36:22,546 Essentially being applied at her hips. 898 00:36:22,548 --> 00:36:23,613 You're gonna see. 899 00:36:23,615 --> 00:36:25,382 Okay, so that is possible? 900 00:36:25,384 --> 00:36:27,017 This is totally fascinating. 901 00:36:27,019 --> 00:36:28,685 Absolutely fascinating. 902 00:36:28,687 --> 00:36:31,821 Rami, this is your field of expertise, 903 00:36:31,823 --> 00:36:32,956 So I have to ask you, 904 00:36:32,958 --> 00:36:35,192 What do you think happened to devan? 905 00:36:35,194 --> 00:36:36,326 In a case like this, 906 00:36:36,328 --> 00:36:38,228 I speak with a reasonable degree 907 00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:40,497 Of scientific or biomechanical certainty. 908 00:36:40,499 --> 00:36:42,465 It's more likely than not 909 00:36:42,467 --> 00:36:45,335 That an external force was applied to her, 910 00:36:45,337 --> 00:36:49,673 Which would likely result in the bruising to her hips. 911 00:36:49,675 --> 00:36:51,675 Is it more than likely 912 00:36:51,677 --> 00:36:54,177 That this pressure was applied by another human being? 913 00:36:54,179 --> 00:36:55,745 With information presently available, 914 00:36:55,747 --> 00:36:57,180 Yes, that seems to be the case. 915 00:36:59,418 --> 00:37:02,252 This is absolutely fascinating. 916 00:37:02,254 --> 00:37:05,422 The information you gave me and having seen this, 917 00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:07,390 She was on cocaine, 918 00:37:07,392 --> 00:37:10,594 Her body was in that compromised state 919 00:37:10,596 --> 00:37:13,730 Of needing a lot oxygen to the brain, 920 00:37:13,732 --> 00:37:16,866 And then she gets asphyxiated 921 00:37:16,868 --> 00:37:20,570 When another person was on top of her, 922 00:37:20,572 --> 00:37:22,906 Restraining her, 923 00:37:22,908 --> 00:37:25,375 As well as applying pressure to her neck. 924 00:37:25,377 --> 00:37:28,912 And everything corroborates that this was a homicide. 925 00:37:28,914 --> 00:37:31,881 Would you be willing to testify to that in court? 926 00:37:31,883 --> 00:37:33,416 Yes. 927 00:37:33,418 --> 00:37:35,585 Narrator: Coming up... 928 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:37,487 Although the amount cocaine in her system 929 00:37:37,489 --> 00:37:40,056 Could have potentially killed her at some point, 930 00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:41,891 It was still in her stomach. 931 00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:45,362 So in my opinion, the drugs are irrelevant. 932 00:37:45,364 --> 00:37:47,697 ♪ 933 00:37:54,439 --> 00:37:58,441 ♪ 934 00:37:58,443 --> 00:38:00,810 Levasseur: For three years, the big hold up 935 00:38:00,812 --> 00:38:03,513 With the investigation into devan schmidt's death 936 00:38:03,515 --> 00:38:06,516 Has been determining how she really died. 937 00:38:06,518 --> 00:38:09,352 I've consulted with the experts, I've looked at all the evidence, 938 00:38:09,354 --> 00:38:11,521 And I think I figured out what happened to devan schmidt 939 00:38:11,523 --> 00:38:13,657 In her apartment the night she was killed. 940 00:38:13,659 --> 00:38:15,325 Although I don't know at the moment 941 00:38:15,327 --> 00:38:17,193 Exactly what the motive might have been, 942 00:38:17,195 --> 00:38:21,531 It's clear to me that someone somehow got into her room, 943 00:38:21,533 --> 00:38:23,466 Physically attacked her, 944 00:38:23,468 --> 00:38:26,369 And pinned her facedown to the floor, 945 00:38:26,371 --> 00:38:30,307 Resulting in the bruises on her hips, feet, and legs. 946 00:38:30,309 --> 00:38:32,342 Then I believe her attacker 947 00:38:32,344 --> 00:38:35,078 Used his arm to choke devan from behind. 948 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,513 Listen, it's completely possible 949 00:38:36,515 --> 00:38:39,082 That detective cooper already came to the same conclusion, 950 00:38:39,084 --> 00:38:40,517 But I got some additional information 951 00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:42,352 That I want to share with him. 952 00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:43,520 James. 953 00:38:43,522 --> 00:38:45,522 What I really wanted to focus on 954 00:38:45,524 --> 00:38:47,457 Was what appeared to be the roadblock 955 00:38:47,459 --> 00:38:49,659 In this investigation from your standpoint. 956 00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:50,727 That's true. 957 00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:53,196 And from reading the autopsy report, 958 00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:54,964 This appeared to be a homicide, 959 00:38:54,966 --> 00:38:57,667 But because of the amount of cocaine in the stomach, 960 00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:59,669 The medical examiner couldn't get there 961 00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:02,072 And that's why he ruled that the cause of death 962 00:39:02,074 --> 00:39:03,640 And manner of death was undetermined. 963 00:39:03,642 --> 00:39:04,641 That's true. 964 00:39:04,643 --> 00:39:06,576 And in my opinion, 965 00:39:06,578 --> 00:39:08,311 Based on the experts I spoke with, 966 00:39:08,313 --> 00:39:10,547 Although the amount of cocaine in her system 967 00:39:10,549 --> 00:39:13,283 Could have potentially killed her at some point, 968 00:39:13,285 --> 00:39:15,518 It didn't have enough time in her body 969 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,720 To actually do that. 970 00:39:16,722 --> 00:39:17,887 That's correct. 971 00:39:17,889 --> 00:39:19,989 It was still in her stomach. 972 00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:23,026 So in my opinion, the drugs are irrelevant. 973 00:39:23,028 --> 00:39:24,461 I'm not gonna argue that. 974 00:39:24,463 --> 00:39:25,562 Okay. 975 00:39:25,564 --> 00:39:28,098 I brought in dr. De alwis to come in here 976 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:30,233 And re-examine the autopsy report 977 00:39:30,235 --> 00:39:31,868 And the crime-scene photos. 978 00:39:31,870 --> 00:39:34,604 She's done over 10,000 autopsies 979 00:39:34,606 --> 00:39:36,740 And has testified in multiple occasions 980 00:39:36,742 --> 00:39:39,576 As an expert witness in forensic pathology. 981 00:39:39,578 --> 00:39:42,245 So with the totality of everything that she had, 982 00:39:42,247 --> 00:39:45,148 Including the drugs, she told me confidently 983 00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:48,385 That she would rule the manner of death in this case 984 00:39:48,387 --> 00:39:49,552 As a homicide. 985 00:39:49,554 --> 00:39:52,188 And she also told me that she would have no problem 986 00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:54,891 Testifying in court to her findings 987 00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:57,260 If she was called on to do so. 988 00:39:57,262 --> 00:39:59,829 I very much would be appreciative 989 00:39:59,831 --> 00:40:03,600 To talk to this doctor about devan and devan's death. 990 00:40:03,602 --> 00:40:05,735 I'll set that up. Yeah. 991 00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:08,471 What you told me, inside, I'm pretty happy about it. 992 00:40:08,473 --> 00:40:11,808 You've given me more information that I can expand on 993 00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:13,376 With this investigation. 994 00:40:13,378 --> 00:40:15,478 When I talk to devan's sister, 995 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,447 I can relay to her that 996 00:40:17,449 --> 00:40:19,816 I have more things to work on, 997 00:40:19,818 --> 00:40:21,217 And I thank you. 998 00:40:21,219 --> 00:40:22,518 I have people telling me, 999 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,421 "why are you putting effort into this case?" 1000 00:40:24,423 --> 00:40:26,423 Like I told you from my first meet, 1001 00:40:26,425 --> 00:40:29,058 Something bad happened to devan schmidt that night, 1002 00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:31,728 And it'll stay with me forever. 1003 00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:33,730 And even if I got an answer, 1004 00:40:33,732 --> 00:40:35,932 It'll stay with me forever. 1005 00:40:35,934 --> 00:40:38,901 As a homicide investigator... 1006 00:40:38,903 --> 00:40:40,403 ♪ 1007 00:40:40,405 --> 00:40:42,739 ...You lose a little piece of your heart 1008 00:40:42,741 --> 00:40:44,307 With all your victims. 1009 00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:46,042 ♪ 1010 00:40:46,044 --> 00:40:49,045 Someone hurt a nice person. 1011 00:40:49,047 --> 00:40:50,713 It ain't right. 1012 00:40:50,715 --> 00:40:53,883 I'm handing off my findings to authorities, 1013 00:40:53,885 --> 00:40:55,418 But there's still one more person 1014 00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:59,022 I want to speak to before leaving seattle. 1015 00:40:59,024 --> 00:41:01,791 Lia, thank you for meeting with me again. 1016 00:41:01,793 --> 00:41:03,960 Based on the witness testimony, 1017 00:41:03,962 --> 00:41:06,996 Based on the experts that I spoke with, 1018 00:41:06,998 --> 00:41:07,997 I do believe 1019 00:41:07,999 --> 00:41:10,133 That erick sims did make contact 1020 00:41:10,135 --> 00:41:11,801 With your sister that morning 1021 00:41:11,803 --> 00:41:14,804 And he was the last person with her. 1022 00:41:14,806 --> 00:41:17,474 And in my opinion, I believe 1023 00:41:17,476 --> 00:41:20,477 Erick sims is the strongest person of interest in this case, 1024 00:41:20,479 --> 00:41:23,179 And he has a lot of questions he needs to answer. 1025 00:41:23,181 --> 00:41:26,616 And for the sake and the integrity of the investigation, 1026 00:41:26,618 --> 00:41:28,785 There's not much more I can say, 1027 00:41:28,787 --> 00:41:29,986 But I can tell you 1028 00:41:29,988 --> 00:41:32,655 I believe your sister's death was a homicide. 1029 00:41:32,657 --> 00:41:34,157 ♪ 1030 00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,125 Thank you. 1031 00:41:36,127 --> 00:41:41,631 Like, we've known this, but just to have it validated 1032 00:41:41,633 --> 00:41:43,466 And for you guys to come in 1033 00:41:43,468 --> 00:41:45,969 And try and help bring awareness 1034 00:41:45,971 --> 00:41:48,304 And bring some... 1035 00:41:48,306 --> 00:41:50,807 Type of justification for my sister 1036 00:41:50,809 --> 00:41:54,777 In a small way right now is huge. 1037 00:41:54,779 --> 00:41:57,547 I do believe there's new life in this case, 1038 00:41:57,549 --> 00:42:00,316 And all the information that we were able to gather 1039 00:42:00,318 --> 00:42:02,018 Is now in the hands of the people 1040 00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:03,553 That can do something about it. 1041 00:42:03,555 --> 00:42:05,855 We are so thankful. 1042 00:42:05,857 --> 00:42:09,325 I will never stop fighting for her. 1043 00:42:09,327 --> 00:42:12,428 ♪ 1044 00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:15,698 I just miss her, and I love her. 1045 00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:16,699 ♪ 1046 00:42:16,701 --> 00:42:18,201 Give me a hug. 1047 00:42:18,203 --> 00:42:22,705 ♪ 1048 00:42:30,882 --> 00:42:33,049 From the beginning, it was obvious what was 1049 00:42:33,051 --> 00:42:36,386 Holding off the investigation into devan's death. 1050 00:42:36,388 --> 00:42:39,822 I've connected authorities with both the pathologist 1051 00:42:39,824 --> 00:42:42,926 And the biomechanical doctor that I met with, 1052 00:42:42,928 --> 00:42:45,862 And I believe police now have what they need 1053 00:42:45,864 --> 00:42:49,032 To see this case through. 1054 00:42:49,034 --> 00:42:51,534 Hopefully, it's just a matter of time 1055 00:42:51,536 --> 00:42:56,172 Before devan can finally rest in peace. 1056 00:42:56,174 --> 00:42:59,175 ♪ 92485

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