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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 - Synced and corrected by chamallow - - www.addic7ed.com - 2 00:00:09,618 --> 00:00:11,402 In the criminal justice system, 3 00:00:11,446 --> 00:00:13,650 the people are represented by two separate, 4 00:00:13,651 --> 00:00:15,232 yet equally important groups: 5 00:00:15,276 --> 00:00:17,060 the police, who investigate crime, 6 00:00:17,104 --> 00:00:19,845 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 7 00:00:19,889 --> 00:00:21,760 These are their stories. 8 00:00:22,892 --> 00:00:24,720 Thanks, Professor. 9 00:00:24,763 --> 00:00:27,070 I'll let my team know the good news 10 00:00:27,114 --> 00:00:30,682 and we'll have a business plan ready for you by next week. 11 00:00:30,726 --> 00:00:32,031 Talk soon. 12 00:00:55,229 --> 00:00:57,753 DOA's a Hudson grad student named Emily Wade. 13 00:00:57,796 --> 00:01:00,582 - 27, two in the chest. - Witnesses? 14 00:01:00,625 --> 00:01:02,671 Just the classmate who found her. 15 00:01:02,714 --> 00:01:04,629 Didn't see anything, but she was pretty shaken up. 16 00:01:04,673 --> 00:01:06,240 Said she was the most intelligent 17 00:01:06,283 --> 00:01:08,285 and driven woman she'd ever met. 18 00:01:08,329 --> 00:01:10,070 Where is this classmate now? 19 00:01:10,113 --> 00:01:12,202 EMTs are treating her for shock. 20 00:01:12,246 --> 00:01:13,420 Evidence of a break-in? 21 00:01:13,464 --> 00:01:15,988 No, looks like it all went down outside. 22 00:01:16,032 --> 00:01:17,599 - Cameras? - Afraid not. 23 00:01:17,642 --> 00:01:20,384 Off-campus housing. Security's pretty lax. 24 00:01:20,428 --> 00:01:22,212 All right, let's see what footage we can find 25 00:01:22,256 --> 00:01:24,432 from businesses and traffic cams, huh? 26 00:01:24,475 --> 00:01:27,348 I'd ballpark time of death as 9:30. 27 00:01:27,390 --> 00:01:28,652 Any indication of assault? 28 00:01:28,697 --> 00:01:30,525 No. But some blood splatter. 29 00:01:30,568 --> 00:01:31,874 Means the shooter was point blank. 30 00:01:31,917 --> 00:01:33,049 I'll check inside. 31 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:34,094 Probably got hit with some droplets. 32 00:01:34,137 --> 00:01:35,530 Yup. 33 00:01:39,011 --> 00:01:41,491 "Thinking of you." 34 00:01:41,536 --> 00:01:43,364 Doesn't say who it's from or where it's from. 35 00:01:43,407 --> 00:01:46,454 Can you bag that? Thanks. 36 00:01:46,497 --> 00:01:48,630 You already check this? 37 00:01:50,021 --> 00:01:52,547 Cell phone still here. 38 00:01:52,590 --> 00:01:55,463 Wallet, credit cards, money. 39 00:01:55,506 --> 00:01:57,465 Doesn't look like anyone tossed the place. 40 00:01:57,508 --> 00:01:59,728 There's jewelry still along the nightstand. 41 00:01:59,771 --> 00:02:01,730 So it's not a robbery, not an assault. 42 00:02:01,773 --> 00:02:02,861 Double tap to the chest. 43 00:02:02,905 --> 00:02:04,167 Starting to feel like an execution. 44 00:02:04,211 --> 00:02:06,343 - The question is why. - Sad. 45 00:02:06,387 --> 00:02:08,780 Seems like she was going places too. 46 00:02:08,824 --> 00:02:10,651 Too bad she'll never get there now. 47 00:03:01,311 --> 00:03:03,618 I was dropping off a statistics outline 48 00:03:03,661 --> 00:03:06,316 Em had loaned me. Saw this van speeding off. 49 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,752 What'd the van look like? 50 00:03:07,796 --> 00:03:10,538 Uh, blue. Green stripe down the side. 51 00:03:10,581 --> 00:03:13,018 You get a look at the plates or the driver? 52 00:03:13,062 --> 00:03:14,629 Sorry. No. 53 00:03:14,672 --> 00:03:17,066 How well did you know the victim? 54 00:03:17,109 --> 00:03:18,720 We were study partners. 55 00:03:18,763 --> 00:03:22,245 Can you think of anybody she had a problem with? 56 00:03:23,638 --> 00:03:25,248 Yeah. 57 00:03:25,292 --> 00:03:26,771 We'd get drinks at this place 58 00:03:26,815 --> 00:03:29,252 in Dumbo on Wednesdays called Ewing's. 59 00:03:29,296 --> 00:03:31,036 She didn't want to go last week. 60 00:03:31,079 --> 00:03:34,126 Said she was fighting with one of the bartenders. 61 00:03:34,170 --> 00:03:35,258 You know what the issue was about? 62 00:03:35,302 --> 00:03:36,912 No. 63 00:03:36,954 --> 00:03:40,437 But he apparently followed her to the library the other day. 64 00:03:47,270 --> 00:03:48,880 Sorry, guys, not open till five. 65 00:03:48,924 --> 00:03:51,055 Nathan Brae. 66 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:52,319 Who's asking? 67 00:03:52,362 --> 00:03:53,450 We're New York City detectives. 68 00:03:53,494 --> 00:03:55,060 We need a word. 69 00:04:10,772 --> 00:04:12,252 Give me your hands. Give me your hands. 70 00:04:12,295 --> 00:04:14,210 I didn't do anything wrong. 71 00:04:18,301 --> 00:04:19,346 I only ran because I had coke on me. 72 00:04:19,389 --> 00:04:20,651 I didn't want to get in trouble. 73 00:04:20,695 --> 00:04:22,784 Good instincts, so unless you start talking, 74 00:04:22,827 --> 00:04:24,568 we're gonna charge you with possession. 75 00:04:24,612 --> 00:04:27,397 What's your beef with Emily Wade? 76 00:04:27,441 --> 00:04:29,356 I was dating her friend, Alli. 77 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:30,748 It was going good, too, 78 00:04:30,792 --> 00:04:32,794 until she dumped me out of the blue last week. 79 00:04:32,837 --> 00:04:35,013 Turns out Emily's been dissing me all over the place. 80 00:04:35,057 --> 00:04:37,064 - I was pissed. - Is that why you followed her to the library? 81 00:04:37,065 --> 00:04:40,932 Yeah. I told her to stay the hell out of my life 82 00:04:40,976 --> 00:04:42,717 and then some muscle-head gets in between us 83 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,327 and tells me to back off, so I did. 84 00:04:44,371 --> 00:04:46,503 And you didn't go back to her place later that evening, 85 00:04:46,547 --> 00:04:48,070 - try to finish the conversation? - No. 86 00:04:48,113 --> 00:04:49,898 There's no point, you know? 87 00:04:49,941 --> 00:04:51,595 - So where were you? - What do you mean? 88 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:54,424 - Why do you care? - Because Emily Wade is dead. 89 00:04:56,339 --> 00:04:59,821 Nathan Brae's alibi checks out. Nothing on canvass either. 90 00:04:59,864 --> 00:05:01,649 Any next of kin we can talk to? 91 00:05:01,692 --> 00:05:02,867 Nobody even to notify. 92 00:05:02,911 --> 00:05:04,478 Her parents died when she was five. 93 00:05:04,521 --> 00:05:05,783 She was raised in foster care. 94 00:05:05,827 --> 00:05:08,220 So what about this mysterious blue van? 95 00:05:08,264 --> 00:05:09,961 Snake eyes. 96 00:05:10,005 --> 00:05:12,355 Got something here, Lieutenant. 97 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:14,966 This is last Wednesday afternoon 98 00:05:15,010 --> 00:05:17,795 outside Drummond Library. 99 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,363 There's our boy, giving her the what for. 100 00:05:20,407 --> 00:05:23,714 The argument doesn't get very far. 101 00:05:23,758 --> 00:05:27,762 Huh, looks like our Good Samaritan's no random bystander. 102 00:05:27,805 --> 00:05:29,546 Any chance we can get an ID? 103 00:05:29,590 --> 00:05:31,461 I already sent the image to FIS. 104 00:05:31,505 --> 00:05:33,681 This is what they just sent back. 105 00:05:33,724 --> 00:05:36,379 Bobby Gorman, 28, ex-Marine. 106 00:05:36,423 --> 00:05:39,513 Any recent contact with Emily? 107 00:05:39,556 --> 00:05:42,167 Lot of romantic back and forth. 108 00:05:42,211 --> 00:05:43,517 Whoa. 109 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,476 Punctuated by a nasty DM he sent early yesterday 110 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,349 accusing her of cheating on him. 111 00:05:49,392 --> 00:05:52,308 "I'm so angry, I could kill you." 112 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:55,355 We got an address on this charmer? 113 00:05:55,398 --> 00:05:57,661 - Sheepshead Bay. - All right, guys. 114 00:05:57,705 --> 00:06:00,360 Dust off your E-ZPass. You're going to Brooklyn. 115 00:06:06,975 --> 00:06:10,457 I found out about Emily on Citizen. 116 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:12,372 I can't believe she's gone. 117 00:06:12,415 --> 00:06:14,199 Were you two together? 118 00:06:14,243 --> 00:06:15,679 For a few months. 119 00:06:15,723 --> 00:06:19,161 - How was it going? - Ups and downs. 120 00:06:19,204 --> 00:06:21,468 But I saw a future there. 121 00:06:21,511 --> 00:06:23,818 Let's talk about those downs then, huh? 122 00:06:23,861 --> 00:06:27,343 Like you threatening to kill her. 123 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:29,432 What? You think I did this? 124 00:06:29,476 --> 00:06:30,651 We think you need to explain why 125 00:06:30,694 --> 00:06:34,176 you were sending her threatening texts. 126 00:06:34,219 --> 00:06:35,830 I felt terrible about that. 127 00:06:35,873 --> 00:06:38,267 - I was just venting. - About what? 128 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:40,487 All she did was study. 129 00:06:40,530 --> 00:06:42,183 Barely had any time for me. 130 00:06:42,227 --> 00:06:44,186 So I showed up at her place on Thursday 131 00:06:44,229 --> 00:06:46,449 to surprise her with Knicks tickets, 132 00:06:46,493 --> 00:06:49,844 but she was on her way out, all dressed up. 133 00:06:49,887 --> 00:06:53,543 She claimed she had a family issue to deal with. 134 00:06:53,587 --> 00:06:55,850 You go by her place last night for any reason? 135 00:06:55,893 --> 00:06:58,461 No. 136 00:06:58,505 --> 00:07:02,160 Look, I didn't kill her. 137 00:07:02,204 --> 00:07:04,902 I loved her. 138 00:07:07,775 --> 00:07:11,256 Key card to Gorman's loft confirms his alibi. 139 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:13,041 So where are we with 140 00:07:13,084 --> 00:07:16,261 the unspecified family issues that he alluded to? 141 00:07:16,305 --> 00:07:18,220 Still looking for the family. 142 00:07:18,263 --> 00:07:21,397 All right, so let's work back from the time of the murder. 143 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:23,747 What was Emily doing that day? Where was she? 144 00:07:23,791 --> 00:07:25,619 - Who was she with? - Already on it. 145 00:07:25,662 --> 00:07:27,229 I pulled Emily's financials. 146 00:07:27,272 --> 00:07:31,233 Found an Uber charge the day of the murder at 4:14 p.m. 147 00:07:31,276 --> 00:07:33,365 - Hmm. - Where'd she go? 148 00:07:37,848 --> 00:07:41,417 Yes, I met with the poor soul 149 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:43,593 - day before yesterday. - About what? 150 00:07:43,637 --> 00:07:46,291 Her foster brother, Lonnie, is a member here. 151 00:07:46,335 --> 00:07:48,511 She was worried about him. 152 00:07:48,555 --> 00:07:51,209 What was she worried about, Pastor Butler? 153 00:07:51,253 --> 00:07:54,909 Uh, it's Pastor Mike, and no offense, Detectives, 154 00:07:54,952 --> 00:07:58,608 but I take my parishioners' privacy very seriously. 155 00:07:58,652 --> 00:08:01,742 We understand, but Emily was murdered shortly after 156 00:08:01,785 --> 00:08:04,048 she left here, so you have to understand 157 00:08:04,092 --> 00:08:08,357 that we need to know why she was so concerned about him. 158 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,294 Yes. 159 00:08:10,838 --> 00:08:13,101 He'd been asking her for money. 160 00:08:13,144 --> 00:08:15,451 She was worried about the direction his life was taking. 161 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:17,758 What direction are we talking about? 162 00:08:17,801 --> 00:08:20,761 She asked that I motivate him to find a job. 163 00:08:20,804 --> 00:08:24,329 I told her I would do my best and she left. 164 00:08:24,373 --> 00:08:26,854 Excuse me for a second. Reverend Sherman. 165 00:08:28,899 --> 00:08:31,336 Liturgy looks perfect, Henry. Thank you. 166 00:08:33,687 --> 00:08:35,471 Lord's work is never done. 167 00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:36,864 Speaking of the Lord's work... 168 00:08:36,907 --> 00:08:38,561 it's been a minute since I was an altar boy, 169 00:08:38,605 --> 00:08:42,609 but why would Emily think career advice 170 00:08:42,652 --> 00:08:44,872 is something that's in your portfolio? 171 00:08:44,915 --> 00:08:49,180 The success of our flock glorifies God, 172 00:08:49,224 --> 00:08:51,922 so part of our work is to guide them to milk and honey. 173 00:08:51,966 --> 00:08:55,012 As Jesus said, "I came that they may have life 174 00:08:55,056 --> 00:08:56,753 and have it abundantly." 175 00:08:56,797 --> 00:08:58,625 And that's your thing? Abundance? 176 00:08:58,668 --> 00:09:02,803 Yes. My congregation is very generous. 177 00:09:02,846 --> 00:09:04,761 - Thank you for your time. - Thank you. 178 00:09:04,805 --> 00:09:07,459 We'll let you know if there's any follow-up. 179 00:09:10,462 --> 00:09:13,814 - Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. - Tell me how you really feel. 180 00:09:13,857 --> 00:09:16,294 Don't tell me you didn't see that fancy, schmancy suit 181 00:09:16,338 --> 00:09:17,687 and $10,000 watch. 182 00:09:17,731 --> 00:09:19,994 He's bleeding that congregation dry. 183 00:09:20,037 --> 00:09:21,648 It's a little more complicated than that. 184 00:09:21,691 --> 00:09:24,302 A guy like that... he takes, but he also gives. 185 00:09:24,346 --> 00:09:26,348 How so? 186 00:09:26,391 --> 00:09:28,611 Some of these folks are having trouble finding a job, 187 00:09:28,655 --> 00:09:30,961 paying rent, even harder time staying positive. 188 00:09:31,005 --> 00:09:32,484 No different from any church I know. 189 00:09:32,528 --> 00:09:33,703 Yeah, but Pastor Mike 190 00:09:33,747 --> 00:09:35,400 fills a void for people who feel hopeless. 191 00:09:35,444 --> 00:09:37,968 He's modeling success 192 00:09:38,012 --> 00:09:39,927 so that his congregation has something to aspire to. 193 00:09:39,970 --> 00:09:42,538 - Not my idea of religion. - Not mine either. 194 00:09:42,582 --> 00:09:45,236 But religion is whatever works for you, right? 195 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,848 So some people think it's the body of Christ 196 00:09:47,891 --> 00:09:49,197 being represented by a wafer. 197 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,678 Some people think it's ponying up so the pastor 198 00:09:51,721 --> 00:09:53,680 - can wear a Rolex. - I am not buying it. 199 00:09:53,723 --> 00:09:57,031 He's not selling it to you. 200 00:09:57,074 --> 00:09:58,554 Prosperity means something different 201 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:01,470 when you grow up poor and Black, Frank. 202 00:10:01,513 --> 00:10:03,559 Fair enough. 203 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:05,126 Let's check with Emily's foster brother. 204 00:10:05,169 --> 00:10:06,780 See what he knows. 205 00:10:06,823 --> 00:10:09,783 Emily and I spent five years in this group home in Canarsie. 206 00:10:09,826 --> 00:10:12,568 The only thing we got out of that place was each other. 207 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:16,485 She was my big sis. 208 00:10:16,528 --> 00:10:18,835 - Sorry for your loss, Lonnie. - Yeah. 209 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:20,402 We're trying to piece together 210 00:10:20,445 --> 00:10:22,056 Emily's movements two days ago. 211 00:10:22,099 --> 00:10:23,927 When was the last time you saw her? 212 00:10:25,755 --> 00:10:29,498 I went by her place about lunch. 213 00:10:29,541 --> 00:10:32,153 Now, would you say that was a social call or something else? 214 00:10:34,372 --> 00:10:36,157 I needed her to float me rent. 215 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,680 Oh, you were having money problems? 216 00:10:37,724 --> 00:10:41,249 I got laid off a month ago. 217 00:10:41,292 --> 00:10:42,946 Savings are a little light. 218 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:46,950 I mean, I couldn't imagine how that conversation might go 219 00:10:46,994 --> 00:10:50,562 between me and my sister if I was asking her to pay my rent. 220 00:10:50,606 --> 00:10:53,435 You guys didn't fight or argue, did you? 221 00:10:53,478 --> 00:10:56,699 No, she was happy to do it. 222 00:10:56,743 --> 00:10:59,615 She even had the money wired to my landlord. 223 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:00,964 How much money we talking about? 224 00:11:01,008 --> 00:11:02,662 Two grand. 225 00:11:04,098 --> 00:11:06,709 Yeah, well, the brother's story checks out. 226 00:11:06,753 --> 00:11:08,798 Then let's follow the money trail. 227 00:11:08,842 --> 00:11:11,801 Communication just finished the work up on her device. 228 00:11:11,845 --> 00:11:14,717 GPS puts her at the corner of 11th and Avenue C 229 00:11:14,761 --> 00:11:17,067 right after eight on the night of the murder. 230 00:11:17,111 --> 00:11:19,287 The address is a match for a pawn shop 231 00:11:19,330 --> 00:11:20,854 called Sid's Jewelry and Loans. 232 00:11:20,897 --> 00:11:23,117 There ought to be security cams on that street, right? 233 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,509 Searching now. 234 00:11:24,553 --> 00:11:26,947 Pawn shop's got them on front and back. 235 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:28,644 This is at 8:20. 236 00:11:28,688 --> 00:11:30,124 That looks like Emily. 237 00:11:30,167 --> 00:11:32,648 Hey, can you get in tighter on that guy? 238 00:11:32,692 --> 00:11:35,129 Yes, but you never see his face. 239 00:11:35,172 --> 00:11:38,219 All right, well, fast forward on the tape. 240 00:11:38,262 --> 00:11:40,961 - This is 8:32. - She hawks something, 241 00:11:41,004 --> 00:11:43,137 and then an hour later, she's dead. 242 00:11:43,180 --> 00:11:45,748 GPS confirms her next stop was home. 243 00:11:48,011 --> 00:11:50,361 Freeze that. 244 00:11:50,405 --> 00:11:53,843 Yeah, blue van, green pinstripe. 245 00:11:53,887 --> 00:11:55,932 Got a shot of the driver too. 246 00:11:55,976 --> 00:11:58,630 Can't make out details, but it looks like a Black male 247 00:11:58,674 --> 00:12:02,069 wearing the same New York logo hat as the guy on the street. 248 00:12:02,112 --> 00:12:04,375 Could fit the bill of the van leaving the murder scene. 249 00:12:04,419 --> 00:12:05,812 Can you pull up the registration? 250 00:12:05,855 --> 00:12:08,553 Plate comes back to Ruben Grandy, 251 00:12:08,597 --> 00:12:10,164 Astoria. 252 00:12:10,207 --> 00:12:11,643 He's got priors for armed robbery. 253 00:12:11,687 --> 00:12:13,254 All right, bring him in. 254 00:12:22,611 --> 00:12:24,178 Police! Show me your hands. 255 00:12:24,221 --> 00:12:25,657 - Show me your hands. - Don't move! 256 00:12:25,701 --> 00:12:27,355 Take it easy, fellas. 257 00:12:27,398 --> 00:12:29,879 - Who else is here? - Nobody, I swear to God. 258 00:12:29,923 --> 00:12:31,402 - All rooms clear. - Clear. 259 00:12:31,446 --> 00:12:33,709 - Let's go. - All right, keep your hands up 260 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,624 and stand up for me. Let's go. 261 00:12:35,667 --> 00:12:36,799 All right, but I'ma need my crutches. 262 00:12:36,843 --> 00:12:38,627 I got a broken leg. 263 00:12:48,115 --> 00:12:51,292 I told you, I was playing poker here with some friends. 264 00:12:51,335 --> 00:12:54,121 - Where's your van? - Gave it away a few weeks ago. 265 00:12:54,164 --> 00:12:56,558 - To who? - My church. First Harmony. 266 00:12:56,601 --> 00:12:58,821 Cast won't come off till summer, so I can't drive. 267 00:12:58,865 --> 00:13:00,780 I was happy to send it their way too. 268 00:13:00,823 --> 00:13:03,391 - And why's that? - Guy that runs the church, 269 00:13:03,434 --> 00:13:06,829 Pastor Mike, he's a good man. 270 00:13:06,873 --> 00:13:09,310 Found me a job when I got out of Sing Sing. 271 00:13:09,353 --> 00:13:11,834 So Pastor Mike is the one driving the van now. 272 00:13:11,878 --> 00:13:14,532 No, he gave it to the vice pastor, 273 00:13:14,576 --> 00:13:16,839 Reverend Sherman. 274 00:13:16,883 --> 00:13:19,755 Yes, I was driving Ruben's van. 275 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:21,583 My car is in the shop. 276 00:13:21,626 --> 00:13:23,106 Where'd you go after you left the church? 277 00:13:23,150 --> 00:13:24,804 Home. 278 00:13:24,847 --> 00:13:27,415 You have any interaction with Emily Wade couple nights ago? 279 00:13:27,458 --> 00:13:29,678 - Who? - Emily Wade. 280 00:13:29,721 --> 00:13:31,898 Her brother's Lonnie Ballard. He's a congregant. 281 00:13:31,941 --> 00:13:34,683 Mm. 282 00:13:34,726 --> 00:13:36,032 Before I say anything else, 283 00:13:36,076 --> 00:13:37,773 I need to know why you're asking that. 284 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:39,427 That van was used in the commission 285 00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:41,821 of the murder of Emily Wade. 286 00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:43,257 You accusing me of something? 287 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:45,172 You stop by a pawn shop that night around 8:30, 288 00:13:45,215 --> 00:13:48,915 - maybe one on 11th and Avenue C? - No. 289 00:13:48,958 --> 00:13:50,655 So you're saying you went straight home 290 00:13:50,699 --> 00:13:52,005 from First Harmony and you never left. 291 00:13:52,048 --> 00:13:54,877 - Is that right, Henry? - It's Reverend Sherman. 292 00:13:54,921 --> 00:13:56,966 You'd do well to remember who you're talking to. 293 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,712 We know exactly who we're talking to. 294 00:14:03,755 --> 00:14:05,714 An ex-con with a rap sheet as long as my arm 295 00:14:05,757 --> 00:14:07,890 and a seven-year stint in Fishkill. 296 00:14:07,934 --> 00:14:09,936 And now, all of a sudden, you're a man of the cloth? 297 00:14:09,979 --> 00:14:12,025 - Meaning what? - Meaning you're no bishop, 298 00:14:12,068 --> 00:14:14,288 so you need to account for your whereabouts two nights ago. 299 00:14:14,331 --> 00:14:17,595 The only one I need to account to is God. 300 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:19,641 And I won't stand here and be insulted... 301 00:14:19,684 --> 00:14:22,260 - Hey. - For devoting my life to the almighty. 302 00:14:22,261 --> 00:14:23,830 - Calm down. - You can see yourselves out. 303 00:14:23,831 --> 00:14:26,126 You're on parole. You're not going anywhere. 304 00:14:26,169 --> 00:14:28,302 - Hey, hey. Wait. - Yo, take your hands off of me. 305 00:14:28,345 --> 00:14:30,304 Hey, Henry. 306 00:14:30,347 --> 00:14:32,349 We got a church too. 307 00:14:32,393 --> 00:14:34,699 And putting hands on my partner, 308 00:14:34,743 --> 00:14:36,788 that's a sin. 309 00:14:38,312 --> 00:14:40,662 - Let's try this again. - I already told you. 310 00:14:40,705 --> 00:14:42,969 I was at the church until six then I went home. 311 00:14:43,012 --> 00:14:44,927 How do you explain the fact that you were seen 312 00:14:44,971 --> 00:14:46,973 in that van driving away from the church? 313 00:14:47,016 --> 00:14:49,889 That same van was spotted a few hours later 314 00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:51,716 fleeing the scene of Emily's shooting. 315 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,066 Someone else had to be driving it. 316 00:14:53,109 --> 00:14:54,937 Somebody else is driving your van? 317 00:14:54,981 --> 00:14:57,679 Yeah, I left the keys on the front tire when I parked it. 318 00:14:57,722 --> 00:14:59,202 And why would you do that? 319 00:14:59,246 --> 00:15:01,335 So parishioners in need of transportation can use it. 320 00:15:01,378 --> 00:15:04,294 You got callers for possession and burglary. 321 00:15:04,338 --> 00:15:07,515 Maybe you're using again. Maybe you're hard up for cash 322 00:15:07,558 --> 00:15:09,212 and you saw Emily as an easy target. 323 00:15:09,256 --> 00:15:10,648 - You're wrong. - I don't think I am. 324 00:15:10,692 --> 00:15:13,956 I'm searching your van. 325 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,045 - You okay with all this? - With what? 326 00:15:16,089 --> 00:15:17,351 End of the day, 327 00:15:17,394 --> 00:15:20,745 you got to decide whose side you're really on. 328 00:15:20,789 --> 00:15:22,834 I've already decided, brother. 329 00:15:22,878 --> 00:15:25,533 I'm on God's side. 330 00:15:25,576 --> 00:15:28,057 Turns out, he doesn't like murder. 331 00:15:29,798 --> 00:15:32,844 There's a baseball cap with a New York logo on it 332 00:15:32,888 --> 00:15:35,717 and there's blood on the armrest. 333 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,675 Blood. 334 00:15:37,719 --> 00:15:39,721 - You want to explain that? - I'm not talking. 335 00:15:39,764 --> 00:15:41,114 Well, maybe you'll talk to a jury. 336 00:15:41,157 --> 00:15:43,116 You're under arrest for the murder of Emily Wade. 337 00:15:46,771 --> 00:15:49,296 Calling docket ending in 2129. 338 00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:50,906 People versus Henry Sherman 339 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:53,387 charged with murder in the second degree. 340 00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:54,954 How does the defendant plead? 341 00:15:54,997 --> 00:15:56,999 Not guilty, Your Honor. 342 00:15:57,043 --> 00:15:58,958 I'll hear the people on bail. 343 00:15:59,001 --> 00:16:00,263 We're seeking remand. 344 00:16:00,307 --> 00:16:02,700 The defendant stalked the victim, 345 00:16:02,744 --> 00:16:07,183 followed her home, then shot her to death during a botched robbery. 346 00:16:07,227 --> 00:16:08,880 Evidence is substantial. 347 00:16:08,924 --> 00:16:10,926 We found the victim's blood in a van 348 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:12,754 that the defendant had control over... 349 00:16:12,797 --> 00:16:15,800 the same van seen leaving the victim's apartment 350 00:16:15,844 --> 00:16:18,107 - shortly after the murder. - Mr. Gale. 351 00:16:18,151 --> 00:16:21,589 My client is a highly respected member of the clergy. 352 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:23,025 With a lengthy criminal record. 353 00:16:23,069 --> 00:16:26,507 Who's lived an exemplary life since finding God. 354 00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:29,597 There's no eye witnesses, no gun, 355 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,207 no evidence of motive. 356 00:16:31,251 --> 00:16:35,342 No one can put my client behind the wheel of that van 357 00:16:35,385 --> 00:16:37,257 at the time of the murder. 358 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:40,086 An argument you're free to make at trial, Mr. Gale. 359 00:16:40,129 --> 00:16:42,262 Bail is set at $1 million. 360 00:16:45,743 --> 00:16:50,009 Case is solid, but our motive is still weak. 361 00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:52,968 Why on Earth would this man kill Emily Wade? 362 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,405 Does it matter? If we can prove he shot her, 363 00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:57,320 his motive's irrelevant. 364 00:16:57,364 --> 00:16:59,931 My mentor taught me that. 365 00:16:59,975 --> 00:17:02,064 Yes, but he also taught you 366 00:17:02,108 --> 00:17:04,980 juries hate cases that don't make sense. 367 00:17:05,023 --> 00:17:07,852 You're right. He did. 368 00:17:07,896 --> 00:17:10,986 So let's dig deeper. 369 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:14,381 Find a credible reason why Sherman wanted to kill Emily. 370 00:17:14,424 --> 00:17:18,037 Scour his texts, email, phone records, financials. 371 00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:24,652 Mm-hmm. 372 00:17:24,694 --> 00:17:28,263 - A V12. - Gentlemen. 373 00:17:28,308 --> 00:17:30,049 Pastor Mike. 374 00:17:30,092 --> 00:17:31,876 Nice ride. You got a minute? 375 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,488 I'd love to chat, but I'm late. 376 00:17:34,531 --> 00:17:36,620 One of my oldest and dearest congregants is quite ill. 377 00:17:36,664 --> 00:17:39,623 I'm heading over to the hospital to pray with him. 378 00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:41,321 Help him find peace before he passes. 379 00:17:41,364 --> 00:17:43,497 Oh, that's fantastic, so this won't take long. 380 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:44,672 We just have a few questions. 381 00:17:44,715 --> 00:17:46,065 Sorry, I can't. Not now. 382 00:17:46,108 --> 00:17:48,197 Oh, you misunderstand my kindness here. 383 00:17:48,241 --> 00:17:51,505 I'm not asking. I'm telling. 384 00:17:51,548 --> 00:17:53,333 You're telling? 385 00:17:53,376 --> 00:17:55,030 No, you don't get to tell me a damn thing. 386 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:57,163 Sure I do. For starters, I'm telling you 387 00:17:57,206 --> 00:17:58,947 that we know that vice Pastor Sherman 388 00:17:58,990 --> 00:18:03,778 deposited a $50,000 check a day after Emily Wade was shot. 389 00:18:03,821 --> 00:18:05,519 So? 390 00:18:05,562 --> 00:18:08,043 So we want to know what the check was for. 391 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,958 - It's a private matter. - Private? 392 00:18:10,001 --> 00:18:12,091 Sherman was charged with murder, 393 00:18:12,134 --> 00:18:15,398 so anything he has said or done is now a public matter. 394 00:18:17,183 --> 00:18:19,794 I'm done talking, so you can either arrest me 395 00:18:19,837 --> 00:18:22,188 or step out of my way. 396 00:18:29,151 --> 00:18:30,979 Good day. 397 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:44,079 Does your pastor drive a Bentley? 398 00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:46,429 I don't go to church enough to know. 399 00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:55,569 A superseding indictment for first-degree murder. 400 00:18:55,612 --> 00:18:58,485 - On what basis? - Murder for hire. 401 00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:02,793 Pastor Mike paid your client to kill Emily Wade. 402 00:19:02,837 --> 00:19:04,447 Is this a joke? 403 00:19:04,491 --> 00:19:06,797 Here are 50,000 reasons it's not. 404 00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:11,933 So he makes a $50,000 deposit. 405 00:19:11,976 --> 00:19:14,240 - Who cares? - I'm guessing the jury might 406 00:19:14,283 --> 00:19:16,111 since it was the day after the murder 407 00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:17,591 from a First Harmony account. 408 00:19:17,634 --> 00:19:21,203 And phone logs show Mr. Sherman called Pastor Mike 409 00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:24,598 just before and after Emily Wade was shot to death. 410 00:19:24,641 --> 00:19:26,774 Look, if we're right, and we are, 411 00:19:26,817 --> 00:19:29,646 you would be wise to cooperate. 412 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:32,867 Tell us what really happened, or there's a very good chance 413 00:19:32,910 --> 00:19:36,436 you'll die in prison. 414 00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:39,221 I've got nothing to say. 415 00:19:39,265 --> 00:19:43,399 You feel obligation to Pastor Mike 416 00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:45,662 because he took you in, 417 00:19:45,706 --> 00:19:48,012 he gave you a job, a purpose. 418 00:19:48,056 --> 00:19:51,581 But what he really did is use you. 419 00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:56,020 That's why you're here taking the rap and he's not. 420 00:19:58,806 --> 00:20:01,765 Murder two, 15 years. 421 00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:05,334 I'm not a rat. 422 00:20:14,517 --> 00:20:17,216 Hold on. Wait. 423 00:20:23,178 --> 00:20:26,616 How about man one, ten years flat? 424 00:20:26,660 --> 00:20:29,663 We're listening. 425 00:20:29,706 --> 00:20:32,448 Pastor Mike was nervous. 426 00:20:32,492 --> 00:20:35,016 Said that Emily was a problem. 427 00:20:35,059 --> 00:20:37,148 That we needed to shut her ass up. 428 00:20:37,192 --> 00:20:40,804 What did he mean by that? 429 00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:43,851 He wanted me to kill her. 430 00:20:46,810 --> 00:20:48,682 Why would he want to do that? 431 00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:53,034 She told Pastor Mike she was gonna call the police 432 00:20:53,077 --> 00:20:55,950 if he didn't return her brother's donation. 433 00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:58,300 Let them know what's really going on in the church. 434 00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:02,043 - Is that some sort of secret? - No. 435 00:21:02,086 --> 00:21:04,872 But Pastor Mike doesn't like paying taxes 436 00:21:04,915 --> 00:21:09,311 or going to jail, so he panicked. 437 00:21:09,355 --> 00:21:11,618 Okay. 438 00:21:11,661 --> 00:21:13,054 Yeah, we got a deal, 439 00:21:13,097 --> 00:21:15,970 assuming your story checks out, of course. 440 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:24,413 Did you give or donate money to Pastor Mike? 441 00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:26,546 Yes. 442 00:21:26,589 --> 00:21:28,112 $40,000. 443 00:21:28,156 --> 00:21:31,333 - Did Emily know about this? - Yes. 444 00:21:31,377 --> 00:21:33,379 I told her that day I asked her to help me pay the rent. 445 00:21:33,422 --> 00:21:37,165 Well, when she heard about the donation, was she upset? 446 00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:41,343 Did she tell you she was going to go get your money back? 447 00:21:41,387 --> 00:21:44,346 She was upset. She thought I was an idiot. 448 00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:46,261 But she didn't think like I did. 449 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:50,352 She's not a believer like me. 450 00:21:50,396 --> 00:21:53,312 Wait. 451 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:56,619 You think Pastor Mike has something to do with her murder? 452 00:21:56,663 --> 00:21:58,099 That is correct. 453 00:21:58,142 --> 00:22:00,231 When she found out you gave him that money, 454 00:22:00,275 --> 00:22:03,713 she stormed over to the church and demanded he give it back. 455 00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:06,020 Or she would inform the police about his antics. 456 00:22:06,063 --> 00:22:07,543 What do you mean antics? 457 00:22:07,587 --> 00:22:11,620 Buying houses and boats with his congregants' hard-earned cash. 458 00:22:11,621 --> 00:22:14,507 You're wrong. The money we give helps with prosperity. 459 00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:16,117 It's part of the gospel. 460 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,858 I know this is hard for you to hear... 461 00:22:17,901 --> 00:22:19,947 Pastor Mike would never hurt Emily. 462 00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:21,427 He's a healer. 463 00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:26,083 I mean, if it wasn't for him, I'd probably be dead. 464 00:22:26,127 --> 00:22:27,998 I mean, he got me off heroin. 465 00:22:31,611 --> 00:22:33,613 And with all due respect, 466 00:22:33,656 --> 00:22:37,138 that has nothing to do with your sister's case. 467 00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:43,536 I think I've had enough. 468 00:22:43,579 --> 00:22:46,147 Please leave. 469 00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:48,323 Now. 470 00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:53,502 Let me get this straight. 471 00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:56,375 You want to go after a pillar of the community, 472 00:22:56,418 --> 00:22:58,812 a clergyman, 473 00:22:58,855 --> 00:23:00,683 on the word of a convicted felon 474 00:23:00,727 --> 00:23:02,468 with every reason to trade up. 475 00:23:02,511 --> 00:23:05,384 We believe Henry Sherman is telling the truth. 476 00:23:05,427 --> 00:23:08,038 The victim's brother confirmed the crux of his story. 477 00:23:08,082 --> 00:23:10,954 That's great, but Sherman is still the felon 478 00:23:10,998 --> 00:23:13,870 with a fantastic motive to lie his ass off. 479 00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:16,264 We're talking about a religious leader 480 00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:19,615 who orchestrated someone's murder to cover up his scheme. 481 00:23:19,659 --> 00:23:22,313 If we don't at least try to hold someone like that 482 00:23:22,357 --> 00:23:24,925 accountable, we're in the wrong line of work. 483 00:23:29,233 --> 00:23:32,672 Put Pastor Mike on trial, not his church. 484 00:23:32,715 --> 00:23:36,415 If you lose religious jurors, you won't have a prayer. 485 00:23:39,287 --> 00:23:42,769 ♪ Gonna lay down my burden ♪ 486 00:23:42,812 --> 00:23:45,206 ♪ Down by the riverside ♪ 487 00:23:45,249 --> 00:23:49,993 - ♪ Study war no more ♪ - Yes. 488 00:23:50,037 --> 00:23:51,691 Lord. 489 00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:54,215 - They live. - Yes. 490 00:23:54,258 --> 00:23:57,044 - Praise the Lord. - Yeah! 491 00:23:57,087 --> 00:23:58,915 Thank you, choir, for lifting our spirits 492 00:23:58,959 --> 00:24:00,743 on the winds of your song. Amen? 493 00:24:00,787 --> 00:24:02,353 - Amen. - Amen? 494 00:24:02,397 --> 00:24:03,964 Amen. 495 00:24:04,007 --> 00:24:07,707 I want to talk about the importance of your financial support. 496 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:10,057 What you give your church will come back to you tenfold. 497 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,016 - Yes. - Detectives. 498 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:15,018 You're interrupting our service. 499 00:24:15,062 --> 00:24:17,238 Pastor, we need a word. 500 00:24:17,281 --> 00:24:20,023 - You're gonna have to wait. - Justice waits for no man. 501 00:24:21,677 --> 00:24:26,160 You're under arrest for the murder of Emily Wade. 502 00:24:31,644 --> 00:24:35,691 Fear not, my children. God has a plan. 503 00:24:35,735 --> 00:24:37,388 The righteous shall prevail. 504 00:24:41,436 --> 00:24:42,829 This is ludicrous. 505 00:24:42,872 --> 00:24:44,483 Do you seriously think 506 00:24:44,526 --> 00:24:46,397 that I'm involved in this young woman's death? 507 00:24:46,441 --> 00:24:47,573 We do. 508 00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:50,227 Because Reverend Sherman made up a story. 509 00:24:50,271 --> 00:24:52,665 He seemed pretty credible. 510 00:24:52,708 --> 00:24:56,364 Evidence supports it too. 511 00:24:56,407 --> 00:24:59,846 I suppose the darkness from within was just 512 00:24:59,889 --> 00:25:01,238 too much for him to overcome. 513 00:25:01,282 --> 00:25:03,502 Yeah, that may be true, but right now, 514 00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:06,940 you need to help yourself and tell us what happened. 515 00:25:11,901 --> 00:25:14,338 I'm done talking. 516 00:25:14,382 --> 00:25:16,253 I want a lawyer. 517 00:25:16,297 --> 00:25:19,256 Reverend Sherman can say whatever he wants, 518 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,216 but the truth will prevail. 519 00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:29,745 After Emily Wade left First Harmony, 520 00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:32,879 did you have occasion to confer with Pastor Mike? 521 00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:35,272 - I did. - And what did he tell you 522 00:25:35,316 --> 00:25:37,536 about the conversation that he'd had with her? 523 00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:49,939 - We didn't talk about her. We talked about his sermon. 524 00:25:49,983 --> 00:25:52,463 He didn't tell you that Ms. Wade 525 00:25:52,507 --> 00:25:54,248 wanted her brother's money back 526 00:25:54,291 --> 00:25:56,206 or she was gonna go to the police? 527 00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:57,643 - No. - He didn't tell you 528 00:25:57,686 --> 00:26:00,036 that she would destroy everything you'd built, 529 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,778 - so you had to shut her up? - No. 530 00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:11,439 Mr. Sherman, did you or did you not tell me 531 00:26:11,482 --> 00:26:14,747 Pastor Mike paid you to kill Emily Wade. 532 00:26:14,790 --> 00:26:17,097 I did tell you that, 533 00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:18,925 and I was lying because I wanted a deal. 534 00:26:20,404 --> 00:26:22,319 Quiet or I'll clear the gallery. 535 00:26:22,363 --> 00:26:26,454 The truth is you're lying now out of some misguided 536 00:26:26,497 --> 00:26:28,151 sense of loyalty to your boss, aren't you? 537 00:26:28,195 --> 00:26:30,719 I'm not lying. I'm telling the truth. 538 00:26:30,763 --> 00:26:32,547 Sir, I remind you that if you violate the terms 539 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:34,462 - of your plea agreement... - Objection. 540 00:26:34,505 --> 00:26:37,334 - Asked and answered. - I agree. 541 00:26:37,378 --> 00:26:42,039 Mr. Price, the witness' testimony is very clear. 542 00:26:45,691 --> 00:26:47,780 Nothing further. 543 00:26:47,823 --> 00:26:49,303 Mr. Dressler? 544 00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:50,957 No questions, Your Honor. 545 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,916 The People request a brief recess. 546 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,657 We're adjourned until tomorrow. 547 00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:09,497 Rikers' Visitor Log shows Pastor Mike's attorney 548 00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:11,455 went to visit Sherman in jail yesterday. 549 00:27:11,499 --> 00:27:15,111 Less than 24 hours later, Sherman sandbags us. 550 00:27:15,155 --> 00:27:16,678 It's witness tampering. 551 00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:18,811 No doubt. 552 00:27:18,854 --> 00:27:20,769 But that's too hard to prove. 553 00:27:20,813 --> 00:27:22,641 We'll just have to make the case without him. 554 00:27:27,776 --> 00:27:30,953 We were looking at calls coming into Pastor Mike 555 00:27:30,997 --> 00:27:32,999 the day of the murder, right? 556 00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:34,348 Yeah, I'm not following. 557 00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:36,916 We know Sherman called Pastor Mike 558 00:27:36,959 --> 00:27:38,657 right after he killed Emily. 559 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:41,703 But according to this call log, Pastor Mike called someone else 560 00:27:41,747 --> 00:27:44,837 as soon as that conversation was finished. 561 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,056 Let's find out who he called and what he said. 562 00:27:52,061 --> 00:27:54,368 As Senior Pastor of First Harmony, 563 00:27:54,411 --> 00:27:57,414 I don't have day-to-day involvement. 564 00:27:57,458 --> 00:28:01,854 I function strictly in an advisory capacity now. 565 00:28:01,897 --> 00:28:04,683 Yes, but that capacity includes 566 00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:07,120 the provision of counsel to Pastor Mike, doesn't it? 567 00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:08,556 It does. 568 00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:12,081 Does he typically call you in the evening? 569 00:28:12,125 --> 00:28:16,390 - He does not. - But he did call you December 14th at night. 570 00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:17,957 What did you two talk about? 571 00:28:19,915 --> 00:28:21,743 I'm a preacher. 572 00:28:21,787 --> 00:28:24,267 Conversations with my congregants are 573 00:28:24,311 --> 00:28:26,748 meant to be confidential. 574 00:28:26,792 --> 00:28:28,968 A woman was murdered. 575 00:28:29,011 --> 00:28:30,883 Doesn't that trump confidentiality? 576 00:28:34,277 --> 00:28:38,629 He called me on that night as his clergyman. 577 00:28:38,673 --> 00:28:42,633 He wanted to unburden his soul, 578 00:28:42,677 --> 00:28:46,507 which means the nature of that conversation 579 00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:50,903 is protected under the laws of the State of New York. 580 00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:55,603 So just so I'm clear... 581 00:28:55,646 --> 00:28:59,781 you're okay if a murderer walks free? 582 00:29:06,962 --> 00:29:11,967 I'm not talking, fellas. Simple as that. 583 00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:24,893 Bryant is the whole ballgame. He has to testify. 584 00:29:24,937 --> 00:29:29,289 But he's a clergyman. And he's right about the law. 585 00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:31,900 His conversation with the defendant is privileged. 586 00:29:31,944 --> 00:29:35,730 Unless that privilege is in service of a crime or fraud. 587 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:37,297 You're on dangerous ground, Nolan. 588 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,429 To prove that, you have to attack the church. 589 00:29:39,473 --> 00:29:41,083 I thought we agreed 590 00:29:41,127 --> 00:29:43,825 that we would make the case about the man not the religion. 591 00:29:43,869 --> 00:29:45,087 I'm not going after religion. 592 00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:47,960 I'm going after a single corrupt preacher. 593 00:29:48,003 --> 00:29:49,744 It'll read as blasphemy. 594 00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:51,659 Delegitimizing First Harmony 595 00:29:51,702 --> 00:29:54,183 is the only way to convict Pastor Mike. 596 00:29:54,227 --> 00:29:56,055 Otherwise, we may as well drop the charges. 597 00:29:56,098 --> 00:29:59,449 If we lose this case, all people will remember 598 00:29:59,493 --> 00:30:01,756 is an over-zealous prosecutor 599 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,628 who vilified a church for no good reason. 600 00:30:04,672 --> 00:30:07,327 And that's all I'm going to remember too. 601 00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:13,768 The mere suggestion this trial should devolve into 602 00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:17,206 a referendum on the legitimacy of First Harmony is outrageous. 603 00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:19,905 I take the point. Mr. Price? 604 00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:24,126 The People are aware of the sensitivities at play here. 605 00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:26,259 But we're only questioning that legitimacy 606 00:30:26,302 --> 00:30:29,436 for the limited purposes of a privilege inquiry. 607 00:30:29,479 --> 00:30:32,308 The phone call between Pastor Mike and Pastor Bryant 608 00:30:32,352 --> 00:30:35,616 was obviously for the purpose of seeking spiritual advice. 609 00:30:35,659 --> 00:30:37,313 Presumptively for that purpose, 610 00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:39,881 a presumption that can be overcome 611 00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:43,798 if we establish that the church is a corrupt enterprise. 612 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:45,931 I share your concerns, Mr. Dressler, 613 00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:48,281 but this is a murder trial. 614 00:30:48,324 --> 00:30:49,900 So I'm gonna grant the People 615 00:30:49,901 --> 00:30:53,416 a limited opportunity to demonstrate fraud. 616 00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:56,332 And the defense will have the chance to rebut. 617 00:31:02,077 --> 00:31:06,908 Mr. Conley, how much did you donate to First Harmony? 618 00:31:06,952 --> 00:31:09,519 $61,000 over three years. 619 00:31:09,563 --> 00:31:10,869 And during that time, 620 00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,741 did you experience any financial setbacks? 621 00:31:13,784 --> 00:31:16,744 Yes. I lost my home, my car. 622 00:31:16,787 --> 00:31:18,398 Couldn't even pay the storage facility, 623 00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:19,878 so they sold my stuff. 624 00:31:19,921 --> 00:31:23,229 And yet you continued donating to First Harmony, right? 625 00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:24,665 - Yes. - Why? 626 00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:26,841 Because Pastor Mike told me if I stopped giving, 627 00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:29,322 it could jeopardize my relationship with God. 628 00:31:29,365 --> 00:31:32,238 The money you donated... do you know where it went? 629 00:31:32,281 --> 00:31:34,327 Yeah. His Tesla. 630 00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:37,591 His mansion in Armonk. His catamaran. 631 00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:40,681 What Pastor needs a catamaran? 632 00:31:40,724 --> 00:31:42,901 Nothing further. 633 00:31:46,426 --> 00:31:48,950 Mr. Conley, 634 00:31:48,994 --> 00:31:51,735 are you currently a member of Gamblers Anonymous? 635 00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:55,478 Yes. 636 00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:57,959 And how much money have you lost gambling 637 00:31:58,003 --> 00:31:59,439 the past three years? 638 00:31:59,482 --> 00:32:01,180 I don't remember. 639 00:32:01,223 --> 00:32:04,661 Nearly $200,000. Is that right? 640 00:32:04,705 --> 00:32:06,446 I guess. 641 00:32:06,489 --> 00:32:08,622 So First Harmony isn't the real cause 642 00:32:08,665 --> 00:32:10,798 of your financial woes, is it? 643 00:32:10,841 --> 00:32:12,234 Doesn't matter. 644 00:32:12,278 --> 00:32:14,541 That man over there stole from me. 645 00:32:21,113 --> 00:32:23,942 Mr. Ballard, you're a recovering heroin addict. 646 00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:25,726 - Is that right? - Recovered. 647 00:32:25,769 --> 00:32:27,293 That's amazing. 648 00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:30,383 And to what do you attribute your recovery? 649 00:32:30,426 --> 00:32:31,993 Pastor Mike. 650 00:32:32,037 --> 00:32:35,127 He got me into a facility, paid for the program. 651 00:32:35,170 --> 00:32:36,911 Visited me every day for six weeks 652 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,391 to make sure I was doing the work. 653 00:32:38,434 --> 00:32:40,697 Were you employed as a sales rep 654 00:32:40,741 --> 00:32:42,656 for Shearing Pharmaceuticals? 655 00:32:42,699 --> 00:32:45,006 Yes, for four years. 656 00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:46,616 I just got laid off. 657 00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:49,402 I'm sorry about that. And who got you that job? 658 00:32:49,445 --> 00:32:51,143 Pastor Mike. 659 00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:52,796 There's been testimony about 660 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,321 Pastor Mike's extravagant lifestyle. 661 00:32:55,364 --> 00:32:56,975 Are you familiar with how he lives? 662 00:32:57,018 --> 00:32:58,237 Of course. 663 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,543 And it's a blessing to the congregation. 664 00:33:00,587 --> 00:33:03,111 Do you believe First Harmony defrauded you in any way? 665 00:33:03,155 --> 00:33:05,592 No. As Pastor Mike likes to say, 666 00:33:05,635 --> 00:33:08,682 "When we invest in the church, we invest in ourselves." 667 00:33:08,725 --> 00:33:10,423 And I'm living proof that's true. 668 00:33:10,466 --> 00:33:12,033 Thank you. 669 00:33:14,688 --> 00:33:15,950 Mr. Ballard, 670 00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:18,387 I'm very sorry about the loss of your sister. 671 00:33:18,431 --> 00:33:20,911 Thank you. 672 00:33:20,955 --> 00:33:25,786 Until a short time ago, what was your net worth? 673 00:33:25,829 --> 00:33:27,788 About $40,000. 674 00:33:27,831 --> 00:33:29,833 What's your net worth now? 675 00:33:29,877 --> 00:33:32,706 - Less than that. - In fact, it is zero. 676 00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:36,753 Because you donated every cent you had to First Harmony. 677 00:33:36,797 --> 00:33:38,146 I'll make more. 678 00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:40,975 How much have you given First Harmony 679 00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:43,499 over the past four years? 680 00:33:43,543 --> 00:33:44,805 I don't remember. 681 00:33:44,848 --> 00:33:48,765 Does almost $90,000 sound right? 682 00:33:48,809 --> 00:33:53,031 I donated because that's the right thing to do. 683 00:33:53,074 --> 00:33:55,120 I owe Pastor Mike. I owe him. 684 00:33:55,163 --> 00:33:59,515 Well, isn't it possible that the man you say you owe 685 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,604 turned you into a productive citizen 686 00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:04,694 in order to milk you of everything you earned? 687 00:34:04,738 --> 00:34:07,567 No. Donating to your church is the right thing to do. 688 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:09,612 Pastor Mike deserves every penny I gave him. 689 00:34:09,656 --> 00:34:11,527 Oh, you gave Pastor Mike your money? 690 00:34:11,571 --> 00:34:14,139 No, no, I meant I... I gave it to First Harm... 691 00:34:14,181 --> 00:34:16,010 this man is trying to fool me! 692 00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:17,751 No, sir. 693 00:34:17,793 --> 00:34:21,710 I am not the one fooling you. 694 00:34:21,755 --> 00:34:24,062 Nothing further. 695 00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:32,460 The parishioners who donated 696 00:34:32,505 --> 00:34:34,681 did so knowing that Pastor Mike was spending at least 697 00:34:34,724 --> 00:34:37,161 some of the money on himself. 698 00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:39,728 No one was threatened or coerced. 699 00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:44,125 They donated for inspiration, which is exactly what they got. 700 00:34:44,168 --> 00:34:49,348 Pastor Mike's success was a beacon to his parish, 701 00:34:49,391 --> 00:34:52,132 which is all that the prosperity gospel entails. 702 00:34:52,177 --> 00:34:54,483 You get the benefit of your bargain, 703 00:34:54,527 --> 00:34:58,052 it can't be fraud. 704 00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:01,142 Mr. Price? 705 00:35:01,186 --> 00:35:06,930 Fraud needn't be a function of deceit or coercion. 706 00:35:06,974 --> 00:35:08,628 It can also be manipulation 707 00:35:08,671 --> 00:35:11,239 by a person in a position of trust, 708 00:35:11,283 --> 00:35:15,156 such as a pastor who tells his flock 709 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,507 that their relationship with God will be compromised 710 00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:21,684 if they don't give money to the church. 711 00:35:21,728 --> 00:35:24,209 These donations were part of a shameless money grab 712 00:35:24,252 --> 00:35:27,212 by a charismatic and manipulative figure 713 00:35:27,255 --> 00:35:30,084 in a position of control and power. 714 00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:33,914 The defendant concealed these cash contributions from the IRS 715 00:35:33,957 --> 00:35:35,916 and used the money he received 716 00:35:35,959 --> 00:35:38,397 to finance his opulent lifestyle. 717 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,141 That is not religion. That's fraud. 718 00:35:51,061 --> 00:35:54,500 I agree with Mr. Price. 719 00:35:54,543 --> 00:35:59,244 And since the defense did not rebut his claims, 720 00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:02,638 I am vitiating the clergy privilege. 721 00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:18,219 Mr. Price. 722 00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:20,003 - Why you doing this? - Excuse me? 723 00:36:20,047 --> 00:36:22,180 Trying to destroy my church. 724 00:36:22,223 --> 00:36:24,660 No, I can assure you, that is not my objective. 725 00:36:24,704 --> 00:36:26,619 You're acting like we don't know what we're doing, 726 00:36:26,662 --> 00:36:28,925 that Pastor Mike is trying to defraud us. 727 00:36:28,969 --> 00:36:31,450 That's not what's going on here. 728 00:36:31,493 --> 00:36:34,100 We know what we're doing. We want to give him our money. 729 00:36:34,243 --> 00:36:37,804 That is your choice. I... I don't really care. 730 00:36:37,847 --> 00:36:39,980 I'm simply trying to present the facts to the jury 731 00:36:40,023 --> 00:36:41,895 so they know what really happened... 732 00:36:41,938 --> 00:36:44,245 so they know who really killed Emily, your sister. 733 00:36:44,289 --> 00:36:45,942 I-I would've thought that's something 734 00:36:45,986 --> 00:36:47,117 you might be interested in as well. 735 00:36:47,261 --> 00:36:49,132 Don't do that. 736 00:36:49,176 --> 00:36:53,136 Don't you dare suggest that I don't love my sister Emily. 737 00:36:53,180 --> 00:36:56,357 I do. More than anything. 738 00:36:56,401 --> 00:36:57,532 But she's gone. 739 00:36:57,576 --> 00:36:59,534 Ain't nothing we can do about that. 740 00:36:59,578 --> 00:37:00,927 And nothing you could do to convince me 741 00:37:00,970 --> 00:37:02,624 that Pastor Mike is involved. 742 00:37:02,668 --> 00:37:05,148 - I won't bother trying. - Wait, wait. 743 00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:10,850 I'm just scared. 744 00:37:10,893 --> 00:37:15,158 If you destroy Pastor Mike and my church... 745 00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:20,729 I'm left with absolutely nothing. 746 00:37:25,647 --> 00:37:27,519 Please. 747 00:37:41,489 --> 00:37:43,970 Pastor Mike Butler 748 00:37:44,013 --> 00:37:47,843 called you at 9:14 on the evening of Emily Wade's murder. 749 00:37:49,845 --> 00:37:52,718 - He did. - And what did he tell you? 750 00:37:59,638 --> 00:38:03,903 He told me he wanted to pray with me 751 00:38:03,946 --> 00:38:07,385 because he had transgressed. 752 00:38:10,866 --> 00:38:15,741 Did he tell you exactly what the transgression was? 753 00:38:15,784 --> 00:38:18,308 This is not right. 754 00:38:18,352 --> 00:38:21,268 That conversation was sacred. 755 00:38:21,311 --> 00:38:22,443 Pastor Bryant... 756 00:38:22,487 --> 00:38:25,577 Only God should know the contents. 757 00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:29,494 Will the court please instruct the witness to answer? 758 00:38:29,537 --> 00:38:32,235 Pastor Bryant, the court has ruled 759 00:38:32,279 --> 00:38:34,237 clergy privilege does not apply here. 760 00:38:34,281 --> 00:38:35,891 - Oh. - If you don't answer, 761 00:38:35,935 --> 00:38:37,545 I will have to hold you in contempt. 762 00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:39,286 Do you understand that? 763 00:38:43,072 --> 00:38:44,291 Yes. 764 00:38:44,334 --> 00:38:47,947 Ask your question again, Mr. Price. 765 00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:51,080 I'll make it a simple yes or no question. 766 00:38:51,124 --> 00:38:53,996 Did the defendant tell you 767 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,305 that he had instructed Mr. Sherman to kill Emily Wade? 768 00:39:04,093 --> 00:39:05,443 Yes. 769 00:39:21,546 --> 00:39:24,810 Nothing further. 770 00:39:24,853 --> 00:39:27,073 Then we are adjourned for the day. 771 00:39:31,991 --> 00:39:34,036 Man one, 20 max. 772 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,909 Murder two, 20 to life. 773 00:39:42,567 --> 00:39:45,439 I'll start drafting the plea agreement. 774 00:39:45,483 --> 00:39:49,399 I'll, um, talk to Emily's brother, 775 00:39:49,443 --> 00:39:51,793 let him know the case is over. 776 00:40:02,325 --> 00:40:03,762 Lonnie? 777 00:40:03,805 --> 00:40:06,808 It's Nolan Price from the DA's office. 778 00:40:08,723 --> 00:40:11,900 Hello, Lonnie? 779 00:40:23,477 --> 00:40:26,306 Oh, no. Lonnie? 780 00:40:26,349 --> 00:40:29,004 Lonnie. 781 00:40:29,048 --> 00:40:31,311 Lonnie? Lonnie? 782 00:40:31,354 --> 00:40:32,834 Lonnie? Oh, God. 783 00:40:36,838 --> 00:40:39,493 Yeah, I-I need an ambulance. 784 00:40:39,537 --> 00:40:41,930 435 Warshaw, Queens. Apartment 4B. 785 00:40:41,974 --> 00:40:44,672 He's overdosed. I need help right away. 786 00:40:46,456 --> 00:40:49,982 Lonnie? Lonnie, stay with me. 787 00:40:57,686 --> 00:41:02,686 - Synced and corrected by chamallow - - www.addic7ed.com - 59128

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