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In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented
by two separate,
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yet equally important groups:
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the police, who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Thanks, Professor.
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I'll let my team know the good news
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and we'll have a business plan
ready for you by next week.
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Talk soon.
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DOA's a Hudson grad
student named Emily Wade.
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- 27, two in the chest.
- Witnesses?
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Just the classmate who found her.
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Didn't see anything, but
she was pretty shaken up.
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Said she was the most intelligent
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and driven woman she'd ever met.
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Where is this classmate now?
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EMTs are treating her for shock.
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Evidence of a break-in?
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No, looks like it all went down outside.
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- Cameras?
- Afraid not.
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Off-campus housing.
Security's pretty lax.
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All right, let's see
what footage we can find
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from businesses and traffic cams, huh?
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I'd ballpark time of death as 9:30.
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Any indication of assault?
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No. But some blood splatter.
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Means the shooter was point blank.
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I'll check inside.
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Probably got hit with some droplets.
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Yup.
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"Thinking of you."
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Doesn't say who it's
from or where it's from.
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Can you bag that? Thanks.
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You already check this?
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Cell phone still here.
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Wallet, credit cards, money.
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Doesn't look like
anyone tossed the place.
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There's jewelry still
along the nightstand.
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So it's not a robbery, not an assault.
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Double tap to the chest.
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Starting to feel like an execution.
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- The question is why.
- Sad.
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Seems like she was going places too.
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Too bad she'll never get there now.
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I was dropping off a statistics outline
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Em had loaned me. Saw
this van speeding off.
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What'd the van look like?
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Uh, blue. Green stripe down the side.
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You get a look at the
plates or the driver?
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Sorry. No.
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How well did you know the victim?
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We were study partners.
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Can you think of anybody
she had a problem with?
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Yeah.
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We'd get drinks at this place
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in Dumbo on Wednesdays called Ewing's.
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She didn't want to go last week.
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Said she was fighting
with one of the bartenders.
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You know what the issue was about?
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No.
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But he apparently followed her
to the library the other day.
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Sorry, guys, not open till five.
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Nathan Brae.
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Who's asking?
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We're New York City detectives.
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We need a word.
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Give me your hands. Give me your hands.
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I didn't do anything wrong.
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I only ran because I had coke on me.
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I didn't want to get in trouble.
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Good instincts, so
unless you start talking,
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we're gonna charge you with possession.
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What's your beef with Emily Wade?
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I was dating her friend, Alli.
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It was going good, too,
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until she dumped me out
of the blue last week.
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Turns out Emily's been
dissing me all over the place.
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- I was pissed.
- Is that why you followed her to the library?
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Yeah. I told her to stay
the hell out of my life
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and then some muscle-head
gets in between us
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and tells me to back off, so I did.
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And you didn't go back to
her place later that evening,
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- try to finish the conversation?
- No.
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There's no point, you know?
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- So where were you?
- What do you mean?
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- Why do you care?
- Because Emily Wade is dead.
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Nathan Brae's alibi checks
out. Nothing on canvass either.
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Any next of kin we can talk to?
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Nobody even to notify.
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Her parents died when she was five.
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She was raised in foster care.
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So what about this mysterious blue van?
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Snake eyes.
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Got something here, Lieutenant.
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This is last Wednesday afternoon
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outside Drummond Library.
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There's our boy,
giving her the what for.
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The argument doesn't get very far.
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Huh, looks like our Good
Samaritan's no random bystander.
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Any chance we can get an ID?
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I already sent the image to FIS.
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This is what they just sent back.
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Bobby Gorman, 28, ex-Marine.
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Any recent contact with Emily?
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Lot of romantic back and forth.
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Whoa.
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Punctuated by a nasty DM
he sent early yesterday
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accusing her of cheating on him.
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"I'm so angry, I could kill you."
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We got an address on this charmer?
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- Sheepshead Bay.
- All right, guys.
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Dust off your E-ZPass.
You're going to Brooklyn.
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I found out about Emily on Citizen.
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I can't believe she's gone.
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Were you two together?
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For a few months.
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- How was it going?
- Ups and downs.
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But I saw a future there.
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Let's talk about those downs then, huh?
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Like you threatening to kill her.
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What? You think I did this?
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We think you need to explain why
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you were sending her threatening texts.
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I felt terrible about that.
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- I was just venting.
- About what?
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All she did was study.
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Barely had any time for me.
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So I showed up at her place on Thursday
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to surprise her with Knicks tickets,
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but she was on her way
out, all dressed up.
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She claimed she had a
family issue to deal with.
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You go by her place last
night for any reason?
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No.
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Look, I didn't kill her.
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I loved her.
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Key card to Gorman's
loft confirms his alibi.
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So where are we with
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the unspecified family
issues that he alluded to?
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Still looking for the family.
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All right, so let's work back
from the time of the murder.
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What was Emily doing
that day? Where was she?
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- Who was she with?
- Already on it.
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I pulled Emily's financials.
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Found an Uber charge the day
of the murder at 4:14 p.m.
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- Hmm.
- Where'd she go?
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Yes, I met with the poor soul
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- day before yesterday.
- About what?
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Her foster brother,
Lonnie, is a member here.
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She was worried about him.
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What was she worried
about, Pastor Butler?
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Uh, it's Pastor Mike, and
no offense, Detectives,
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but I take my parishioners'
privacy very seriously.
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We understand, but Emily
was murdered shortly after
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she left here, so you have to understand
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that we need to know why she
was so concerned about him.
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Yes.
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He'd been asking her for money.
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She was worried about the
direction his life was taking.
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What direction are we talking about?
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She asked that I motivate
him to find a job.
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I told her I would do
my best and she left.
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Excuse me for a second.
Reverend Sherman.
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Liturgy looks perfect, Henry. Thank you.
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Lord's work is never done.
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Speaking of the Lord's work...
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it's been a minute
since I was an altar boy,
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but why would Emily think career advice
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is something that's in your portfolio?
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The success of our flock glorifies God,
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so part of our work is to
guide them to milk and honey.
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As Jesus said, "I came
that they may have life
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and have it abundantly."
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And that's your thing? Abundance?
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Yes. My congregation is very generous.
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- Thank you for your time.
- Thank you.
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We'll let you know if
there's any follow-up.
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- Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.
- Tell me how you really feel.
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Don't tell me you didn't
see that fancy, schmancy suit
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and $10,000 watch.
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He's bleeding that congregation dry.
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It's a little more
complicated than that.
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A guy like that... he
takes, but he also gives.
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How so?
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Some of these folks are
having trouble finding a job,
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paying rent, even harder
time staying positive.
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No different from any church I know.
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Yeah, but Pastor Mike
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fills a void for people
who feel hopeless.
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He's modeling success
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so that his congregation
has something to aspire to.
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- Not my idea of religion.
- Not mine either.
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But religion is whatever
works for you, right?
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So some people think
it's the body of Christ
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being represented by a wafer.
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Some people think it's
ponying up so the pastor
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- can wear a Rolex.
- I am not buying it.
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He's not selling it to you.
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Prosperity means something different
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when you grow up poor and Black, Frank.
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Fair enough.
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Let's check with Emily's foster brother.
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See what he knows.
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Emily and I spent five years
in this group home in Canarsie.
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The only thing we got out
of that place was each other.
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She was my big sis.
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- Sorry for your loss, Lonnie.
- Yeah.
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We're trying to piece together
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Emily's movements two days ago.
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When was the last time you saw her?
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I went by her place about lunch.
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Now, would you say that was a
social call or something else?
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I needed her to float me rent.
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Oh, you were having money problems?
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I got laid off a month ago.
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Savings are a little light.
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I mean, I couldn't imagine
how that conversation might go
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between me and my sister if I
was asking her to pay my rent.
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You guys didn't fight or argue, did you?
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No, she was happy to do it.
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She even had the money
wired to my landlord.
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How much money we talking about?
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Two grand.
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Yeah, well, the brother's
story checks out.
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Then let's follow the money trail.
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Communication just finished
the work up on her device.
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GPS puts her at the
corner of 11th and Avenue C
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right after eight on
the night of the murder.
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The address is a match for a pawn shop
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called Sid's Jewelry and Loans.
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There ought to be security
cams on that street, right?
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Searching now.
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Pawn shop's got them on front and back.
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This is at 8:20.
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That looks like Emily.
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Hey, can you get in tighter on that guy?
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Yes, but you never see his face.
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All right, well, fast
forward on the tape.
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- This is 8:32.
- She hawks something,
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and then an hour later, she's dead.
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GPS confirms her next stop was home.
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Freeze that.
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Yeah, blue van, green pinstripe.
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Got a shot of the driver too.
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Can't make out details, but
it looks like a Black male
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wearing the same New York logo
hat as the guy on the street.
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Could fit the bill of the
van leaving the murder scene.
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Can you pull up the registration?
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Plate comes back to Ruben Grandy,
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Astoria.
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He's got priors for armed robbery.
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All right, bring him in.
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Police! Show me your hands.
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- Show me your hands.
- Don't move!
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00:12:25,701 --> 00:12:27,355
Take it easy, fellas.
257
00:12:27,398 --> 00:12:29,879
- Who else is here?
- Nobody, I swear to God.
258
00:12:29,923 --> 00:12:31,402
- All rooms clear.
- Clear.
259
00:12:31,446 --> 00:12:33,709
- Let's go.
- All right, keep your hands up
260
00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,624
and stand up for me. Let's go.
261
00:12:35,667 --> 00:12:36,799
All right, but I'ma need my crutches.
262
00:12:36,843 --> 00:12:38,627
I got a broken leg.
263
00:12:48,115 --> 00:12:51,292
I told you, I was playing
poker here with some friends.
264
00:12:51,335 --> 00:12:54,121
- Where's your van?
- Gave it away a few weeks ago.
265
00:12:54,164 --> 00:12:56,558
- To who?
- My church. First Harmony.
266
00:12:56,601 --> 00:12:58,821
Cast won't come off till
summer, so I can't drive.
267
00:12:58,865 --> 00:13:00,780
I was happy to send it their way too.
268
00:13:00,823 --> 00:13:03,391
- And why's that?
- Guy that runs the church,
269
00:13:03,434 --> 00:13:06,829
Pastor Mike, he's a good man.
270
00:13:06,873 --> 00:13:09,310
Found me a job when I
got out of Sing Sing.
271
00:13:09,353 --> 00:13:11,834
So Pastor Mike is the
one driving the van now.
272
00:13:11,878 --> 00:13:14,532
No, he gave it to the vice pastor,
273
00:13:14,576 --> 00:13:16,839
Reverend Sherman.
274
00:13:16,883 --> 00:13:19,755
Yes, I was driving Ruben's van.
275
00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:21,583
My car is in the shop.
276
00:13:21,626 --> 00:13:23,106
Where'd you go after
you left the church?
277
00:13:23,150 --> 00:13:24,804
Home.
278
00:13:24,847 --> 00:13:27,415
You have any interaction with
Emily Wade couple nights ago?
279
00:13:27,458 --> 00:13:29,678
- Who?
- Emily Wade.
280
00:13:29,721 --> 00:13:31,898
Her brother's Lonnie
Ballard. He's a congregant.
281
00:13:31,941 --> 00:13:34,683
Mm.
282
00:13:34,726 --> 00:13:36,032
Before I say anything else,
283
00:13:36,076 --> 00:13:37,773
I need to know why you're asking that.
284
00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:39,427
That van was used in the commission
285
00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:41,821
of the murder of Emily Wade.
286
00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:43,257
You accusing me of something?
287
00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:45,172
You stop by a pawn shop
that night around 8:30,
288
00:13:45,215 --> 00:13:48,915
- maybe one on 11th and Avenue C?
- No.
289
00:13:48,958 --> 00:13:50,655
So you're saying you went straight home
290
00:13:50,699 --> 00:13:52,005
from First Harmony and you never left.
291
00:13:52,048 --> 00:13:54,877
- Is that right, Henry?
- It's Reverend Sherman.
292
00:13:54,921 --> 00:13:56,966
You'd do well to remember
who you're talking to.
293
00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,712
We know exactly who we're talking to.
294
00:14:03,755 --> 00:14:05,714
An ex-con with a rap
sheet as long as my arm
295
00:14:05,757 --> 00:14:07,890
and a seven-year stint in Fishkill.
296
00:14:07,934 --> 00:14:09,936
And now, all of a sudden,
you're a man of the cloth?
297
00:14:09,979 --> 00:14:12,025
- Meaning what?
- Meaning you're no bishop,
298
00:14:12,068 --> 00:14:14,288
so you need to account for
your whereabouts two nights ago.
299
00:14:14,331 --> 00:14:17,595
The only one I need
to account to is God.
300
00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:19,641
And I won't stand
here and be insulted...
301
00:14:19,684 --> 00:14:22,260
- Hey.
- For devoting my life to the almighty.
302
00:14:22,261 --> 00:14:23,830
- Calm down.
- You can see yourselves out.
303
00:14:23,831 --> 00:14:26,126
You're on parole. You're
not going anywhere.
304
00:14:26,169 --> 00:14:28,302
- Hey, hey. Wait.
- Yo, take your hands off of me.
305
00:14:28,345 --> 00:14:30,304
Hey, Henry.
306
00:14:30,347 --> 00:14:32,349
We got a church too.
307
00:14:32,393 --> 00:14:34,699
And putting hands on my partner,
308
00:14:34,743 --> 00:14:36,788
that's a sin.
309
00:14:38,312 --> 00:14:40,662
- Let's try this again.
- I already told you.
310
00:14:40,705 --> 00:14:42,969
I was at the church until
six then I went home.
311
00:14:43,012 --> 00:14:44,927
How do you explain the
fact that you were seen
312
00:14:44,971 --> 00:14:46,973
in that van driving
away from the church?
313
00:14:47,016 --> 00:14:49,889
That same van was
spotted a few hours later
314
00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:51,716
fleeing the scene of Emily's shooting.
315
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,066
Someone else had to be driving it.
316
00:14:53,109 --> 00:14:54,937
Somebody else is driving your van?
317
00:14:54,981 --> 00:14:57,679
Yeah, I left the keys on the
front tire when I parked it.
318
00:14:57,722 --> 00:14:59,202
And why would you do that?
319
00:14:59,246 --> 00:15:01,335
So parishioners in need of
transportation can use it.
320
00:15:01,378 --> 00:15:04,294
You got callers for
possession and burglary.
321
00:15:04,338 --> 00:15:07,515
Maybe you're using again.
Maybe you're hard up for cash
322
00:15:07,558 --> 00:15:09,212
and you saw Emily as an easy target.
323
00:15:09,256 --> 00:15:10,648
- You're wrong.
- I don't think I am.
324
00:15:10,692 --> 00:15:13,956
I'm searching your van.
325
00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,045
- You okay with all this?
- With what?
326
00:15:16,089 --> 00:15:17,351
End of the day,
327
00:15:17,394 --> 00:15:20,745
you got to decide whose
side you're really on.
328
00:15:20,789 --> 00:15:22,834
I've already decided, brother.
329
00:15:22,878 --> 00:15:25,533
I'm on God's side.
330
00:15:25,576 --> 00:15:28,057
Turns out, he doesn't like murder.
331
00:15:29,798 --> 00:15:32,844
There's a baseball cap
with a New York logo on it
332
00:15:32,888 --> 00:15:35,717
and there's blood on the armrest.
333
00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,675
Blood.
334
00:15:37,719 --> 00:15:39,721
- You want to explain that?
- I'm not talking.
335
00:15:39,764 --> 00:15:41,114
Well, maybe you'll talk to a jury.
336
00:15:41,157 --> 00:15:43,116
You're under arrest for
the murder of Emily Wade.
337
00:15:46,771 --> 00:15:49,296
Calling docket ending in 2129.
338
00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:50,906
People versus Henry Sherman
339
00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:53,387
charged with murder
in the second degree.
340
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:54,954
How does the defendant plead?
341
00:15:54,997 --> 00:15:56,999
Not guilty, Your Honor.
342
00:15:57,043 --> 00:15:58,958
I'll hear the people on bail.
343
00:15:59,001 --> 00:16:00,263
We're seeking remand.
344
00:16:00,307 --> 00:16:02,700
The defendant stalked the victim,
345
00:16:02,744 --> 00:16:07,183
followed her home, then shot her
to death during a botched robbery.
346
00:16:07,227 --> 00:16:08,880
Evidence is substantial.
347
00:16:08,924 --> 00:16:10,926
We found the victim's blood in a van
348
00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:12,754
that the defendant had control over...
349
00:16:12,797 --> 00:16:15,800
the same van seen leaving
the victim's apartment
350
00:16:15,844 --> 00:16:18,107
- shortly after the murder.
- Mr. Gale.
351
00:16:18,151 --> 00:16:21,589
My client is a highly
respected member of the clergy.
352
00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:23,025
With a lengthy criminal record.
353
00:16:23,069 --> 00:16:26,507
Who's lived an exemplary
life since finding God.
354
00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:29,597
There's no eye witnesses, no gun,
355
00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,207
no evidence of motive.
356
00:16:31,251 --> 00:16:35,342
No one can put my client
behind the wheel of that van
357
00:16:35,385 --> 00:16:37,257
at the time of the murder.
358
00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:40,086
An argument you're free
to make at trial, Mr. Gale.
359
00:16:40,129 --> 00:16:42,262
Bail is set at $1 million.
360
00:16:45,743 --> 00:16:50,009
Case is solid, but our
motive is still weak.
361
00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:52,968
Why on Earth would this
man kill Emily Wade?
362
00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,405
Does it matter? If we
can prove he shot her,
363
00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:57,320
his motive's irrelevant.
364
00:16:57,364 --> 00:16:59,931
My mentor taught me that.
365
00:16:59,975 --> 00:17:02,064
Yes, but he also taught you
366
00:17:02,108 --> 00:17:04,980
juries hate cases that don't make sense.
367
00:17:05,023 --> 00:17:07,852
You're right. He did.
368
00:17:07,896 --> 00:17:10,986
So let's dig deeper.
369
00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:14,381
Find a credible reason why
Sherman wanted to kill Emily.
370
00:17:14,424 --> 00:17:18,037
Scour his texts, email,
phone records, financials.
371
00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:24,652
Mm-hmm.
372
00:17:24,694 --> 00:17:28,263
- A V12.
- Gentlemen.
373
00:17:28,308 --> 00:17:30,049
Pastor Mike.
374
00:17:30,092 --> 00:17:31,876
Nice ride. You got a minute?
375
00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,488
I'd love to chat, but I'm late.
376
00:17:34,531 --> 00:17:36,620
One of my oldest and dearest
congregants is quite ill.
377
00:17:36,664 --> 00:17:39,623
I'm heading over to the
hospital to pray with him.
378
00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:41,321
Help him find peace before he passes.
379
00:17:41,364 --> 00:17:43,497
Oh, that's fantastic,
so this won't take long.
380
00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:44,672
We just have a few questions.
381
00:17:44,715 --> 00:17:46,065
Sorry, I can't. Not now.
382
00:17:46,108 --> 00:17:48,197
Oh, you misunderstand my kindness here.
383
00:17:48,241 --> 00:17:51,505
I'm not asking. I'm telling.
384
00:17:51,548 --> 00:17:53,333
You're telling?
385
00:17:53,376 --> 00:17:55,030
No, you don't get to
tell me a damn thing.
386
00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:57,163
Sure I do. For starters, I'm telling you
387
00:17:57,206 --> 00:17:58,947
that we know that vice Pastor Sherman
388
00:17:58,990 --> 00:18:03,778
deposited a $50,000 check a
day after Emily Wade was shot.
389
00:18:03,821 --> 00:18:05,519
So?
390
00:18:05,562 --> 00:18:08,043
So we want to know
what the check was for.
391
00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,958
- It's a private matter.
- Private?
392
00:18:10,001 --> 00:18:12,091
Sherman was charged with murder,
393
00:18:12,134 --> 00:18:15,398
so anything he has said or
done is now a public matter.
394
00:18:17,183 --> 00:18:19,794
I'm done talking, so
you can either arrest me
395
00:18:19,837 --> 00:18:22,188
or step out of my way.
396
00:18:29,151 --> 00:18:30,979
Good day.
397
00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:44,079
Does your pastor drive a Bentley?
398
00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:46,429
I don't go to church enough to know.
399
00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:55,569
A superseding indictment
for first-degree murder.
400
00:18:55,612 --> 00:18:58,485
- On what basis?
- Murder for hire.
401
00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:02,793
Pastor Mike paid your
client to kill Emily Wade.
402
00:19:02,837 --> 00:19:04,447
Is this a joke?
403
00:19:04,491 --> 00:19:06,797
Here are 50,000 reasons it's not.
404
00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:11,933
So he makes a $50,000 deposit.
405
00:19:11,976 --> 00:19:14,240
- Who cares?
- I'm guessing the jury might
406
00:19:14,283 --> 00:19:16,111
since it was the day after the murder
407
00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:17,591
from a First Harmony account.
408
00:19:17,634 --> 00:19:21,203
And phone logs show Mr.
Sherman called Pastor Mike
409
00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:24,598
just before and after Emily
Wade was shot to death.
410
00:19:24,641 --> 00:19:26,774
Look, if we're right, and we are,
411
00:19:26,817 --> 00:19:29,646
you would be wise to cooperate.
412
00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:32,867
Tell us what really happened,
or there's a very good chance
413
00:19:32,910 --> 00:19:36,436
you'll die in prison.
414
00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:39,221
I've got nothing to say.
415
00:19:39,265 --> 00:19:43,399
You feel obligation to Pastor Mike
416
00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:45,662
because he took you in,
417
00:19:45,706 --> 00:19:48,012
he gave you a job, a purpose.
418
00:19:48,056 --> 00:19:51,581
But what he really did is use you.
419
00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:56,020
That's why you're here
taking the rap and he's not.
420
00:19:58,806 --> 00:20:01,765
Murder two, 15 years.
421
00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:05,334
I'm not a rat.
422
00:20:14,517 --> 00:20:17,216
Hold on. Wait.
423
00:20:23,178 --> 00:20:26,616
How about man one, ten years flat?
424
00:20:26,660 --> 00:20:29,663
We're listening.
425
00:20:29,706 --> 00:20:32,448
Pastor Mike was nervous.
426
00:20:32,492 --> 00:20:35,016
Said that Emily was a problem.
427
00:20:35,059 --> 00:20:37,148
That we needed to shut her ass up.
428
00:20:37,192 --> 00:20:40,804
What did he mean by that?
429
00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:43,851
He wanted me to kill her.
430
00:20:46,810 --> 00:20:48,682
Why would he want to do that?
431
00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:53,034
She told Pastor Mike she
was gonna call the police
432
00:20:53,077 --> 00:20:55,950
if he didn't return
her brother's donation.
433
00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:58,300
Let them know what's really
going on in the church.
434
00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:02,043
- Is that some sort of secret?
- No.
435
00:21:02,086 --> 00:21:04,872
But Pastor Mike doesn't
like paying taxes
436
00:21:04,915 --> 00:21:09,311
or going to jail, so he panicked.
437
00:21:09,355 --> 00:21:11,618
Okay.
438
00:21:11,661 --> 00:21:13,054
Yeah, we got a deal,
439
00:21:13,097 --> 00:21:15,970
assuming your story
checks out, of course.
440
00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:24,413
Did you give or donate
money to Pastor Mike?
441
00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:26,546
Yes.
442
00:21:26,589 --> 00:21:28,112
$40,000.
443
00:21:28,156 --> 00:21:31,333
- Did Emily know about this?
- Yes.
444
00:21:31,377 --> 00:21:33,379
I told her that day I asked
her to help me pay the rent.
445
00:21:33,422 --> 00:21:37,165
Well, when she heard about
the donation, was she upset?
446
00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:41,343
Did she tell you she was going
to go get your money back?
447
00:21:41,387 --> 00:21:44,346
She was upset. She
thought I was an idiot.
448
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:46,261
But she didn't think like I did.
449
00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:50,352
She's not a believer like me.
450
00:21:50,396 --> 00:21:53,312
Wait.
451
00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:56,619
You think Pastor Mike has
something to do with her murder?
452
00:21:56,663 --> 00:21:58,099
That is correct.
453
00:21:58,142 --> 00:22:00,231
When she found out you
gave him that money,
454
00:22:00,275 --> 00:22:03,713
she stormed over to the church
and demanded he give it back.
455
00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:06,020
Or she would inform the
police about his antics.
456
00:22:06,063 --> 00:22:07,543
What do you mean antics?
457
00:22:07,587 --> 00:22:11,620
Buying houses and boats with his
congregants' hard-earned cash.
458
00:22:11,621 --> 00:22:14,507
You're wrong. The money we
give helps with prosperity.
459
00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:16,117
It's part of the gospel.
460
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,858
I know this is hard for you to hear...
461
00:22:17,901 --> 00:22:19,947
Pastor Mike would never hurt Emily.
462
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:21,427
He's a healer.
463
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:26,083
I mean, if it wasn't for
him, I'd probably be dead.
464
00:22:26,127 --> 00:22:27,998
I mean, he got me off heroin.
465
00:22:31,611 --> 00:22:33,613
And with all due respect,
466
00:22:33,656 --> 00:22:37,138
that has nothing to do
with your sister's case.
467
00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:43,536
I think I've had enough.
468
00:22:43,579 --> 00:22:46,147
Please leave.
469
00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:48,323
Now.
470
00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:53,502
Let me get this straight.
471
00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:56,375
You want to go after a
pillar of the community,
472
00:22:56,418 --> 00:22:58,812
a clergyman,
473
00:22:58,855 --> 00:23:00,683
on the word of a convicted felon
474
00:23:00,727 --> 00:23:02,468
with every reason to trade up.
475
00:23:02,511 --> 00:23:05,384
We believe Henry Sherman
is telling the truth.
476
00:23:05,427 --> 00:23:08,038
The victim's brother confirmed
the crux of his story.
477
00:23:08,082 --> 00:23:10,954
That's great, but
Sherman is still the felon
478
00:23:10,998 --> 00:23:13,870
with a fantastic motive
to lie his ass off.
479
00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:16,264
We're talking about a religious leader
480
00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:19,615
who orchestrated someone's
murder to cover up his scheme.
481
00:23:19,659 --> 00:23:22,313
If we don't at least try
to hold someone like that
482
00:23:22,357 --> 00:23:24,925
accountable, we're in
the wrong line of work.
483
00:23:29,233 --> 00:23:32,672
Put Pastor Mike on
trial, not his church.
484
00:23:32,715 --> 00:23:36,415
If you lose religious jurors,
you won't have a prayer.
485
00:23:39,287 --> 00:23:42,769
♪ Gonna lay down my burden ♪
486
00:23:42,812 --> 00:23:45,206
♪ Down by the riverside ♪
487
00:23:45,249 --> 00:23:49,993
- ♪ Study war no more ♪
- Yes.
488
00:23:50,037 --> 00:23:51,691
Lord.
489
00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:54,215
- They live.
- Yes.
490
00:23:54,258 --> 00:23:57,044
- Praise the Lord.
- Yeah!
491
00:23:57,087 --> 00:23:58,915
Thank you, choir, for
lifting our spirits
492
00:23:58,959 --> 00:24:00,743
on the winds of your song. Amen?
493
00:24:00,787 --> 00:24:02,353
- Amen.
- Amen?
494
00:24:02,397 --> 00:24:03,964
Amen.
495
00:24:04,007 --> 00:24:07,707
I want to talk about the importance
of your financial support.
496
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:10,057
What you give your church
will come back to you tenfold.
497
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,016
- Yes.
- Detectives.
498
00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:15,018
You're interrupting our service.
499
00:24:15,062 --> 00:24:17,238
Pastor, we need a word.
500
00:24:17,281 --> 00:24:20,023
- You're gonna have to wait.
- Justice waits for no man.
501
00:24:21,677 --> 00:24:26,160
You're under arrest for
the murder of Emily Wade.
502
00:24:31,644 --> 00:24:35,691
Fear not, my children. God has a plan.
503
00:24:35,735 --> 00:24:37,388
The righteous shall prevail.
504
00:24:41,436 --> 00:24:42,829
This is ludicrous.
505
00:24:42,872 --> 00:24:44,483
Do you seriously think
506
00:24:44,526 --> 00:24:46,397
that I'm involved in
this young woman's death?
507
00:24:46,441 --> 00:24:47,573
We do.
508
00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:50,227
Because Reverend
Sherman made up a story.
509
00:24:50,271 --> 00:24:52,665
He seemed pretty credible.
510
00:24:52,708 --> 00:24:56,364
Evidence supports it too.
511
00:24:56,407 --> 00:24:59,846
I suppose the darkness
from within was just
512
00:24:59,889 --> 00:25:01,238
too much for him to overcome.
513
00:25:01,282 --> 00:25:03,502
Yeah, that may be true, but right now,
514
00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:06,940
you need to help yourself
and tell us what happened.
515
00:25:11,901 --> 00:25:14,338
I'm done talking.
516
00:25:14,382 --> 00:25:16,253
I want a lawyer.
517
00:25:16,297 --> 00:25:19,256
Reverend Sherman can
say whatever he wants,
518
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,216
but the truth will prevail.
519
00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:29,745
After Emily Wade left First Harmony,
520
00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:32,879
did you have occasion to
confer with Pastor Mike?
521
00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:35,272
- I did.
- And what did he tell you
522
00:25:35,316 --> 00:25:37,536
about the conversation
that he'd had with her?
523
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:49,939
- We didn't talk about her.
We talked about his sermon.
524
00:25:49,983 --> 00:25:52,463
He didn't tell you that Ms. Wade
525
00:25:52,507 --> 00:25:54,248
wanted her brother's money back
526
00:25:54,291 --> 00:25:56,206
or she was gonna go to the police?
527
00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:57,643
- No.
- He didn't tell you
528
00:25:57,686 --> 00:26:00,036
that she would destroy
everything you'd built,
529
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,778
- so you had to shut her up?
- No.
530
00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:11,439
Mr. Sherman, did you
or did you not tell me
531
00:26:11,482 --> 00:26:14,747
Pastor Mike paid you to kill Emily Wade.
532
00:26:14,790 --> 00:26:17,097
I did tell you that,
533
00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:18,925
and I was lying because I wanted a deal.
534
00:26:20,404 --> 00:26:22,319
Quiet or I'll clear the gallery.
535
00:26:22,363 --> 00:26:26,454
The truth is you're lying
now out of some misguided
536
00:26:26,497 --> 00:26:28,151
sense of loyalty to
your boss, aren't you?
537
00:26:28,195 --> 00:26:30,719
I'm not lying. I'm telling the truth.
538
00:26:30,763 --> 00:26:32,547
Sir, I remind you that
if you violate the terms
539
00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:34,462
- of your plea agreement...
- Objection.
540
00:26:34,505 --> 00:26:37,334
- Asked and answered.
- I agree.
541
00:26:37,378 --> 00:26:42,039
Mr. Price, the witness'
testimony is very clear.
542
00:26:45,691 --> 00:26:47,780
Nothing further.
543
00:26:47,823 --> 00:26:49,303
Mr. Dressler?
544
00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:50,957
No questions, Your Honor.
545
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,916
The People request a brief recess.
546
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,657
We're adjourned until tomorrow.
547
00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:09,497
Rikers' Visitor Log shows
Pastor Mike's attorney
548
00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:11,455
went to visit Sherman in jail yesterday.
549
00:27:11,499 --> 00:27:15,111
Less than 24 hours later,
Sherman sandbags us.
550
00:27:15,155 --> 00:27:16,678
It's witness tampering.
551
00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:18,811
No doubt.
552
00:27:18,854 --> 00:27:20,769
But that's too hard to prove.
553
00:27:20,813 --> 00:27:22,641
We'll just have to make
the case without him.
554
00:27:27,776 --> 00:27:30,953
We were looking at calls
coming into Pastor Mike
555
00:27:30,997 --> 00:27:32,999
the day of the murder, right?
556
00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:34,348
Yeah, I'm not following.
557
00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:36,916
We know Sherman called Pastor Mike
558
00:27:36,959 --> 00:27:38,657
right after he killed Emily.
559
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:41,703
But according to this call log,
Pastor Mike called someone else
560
00:27:41,747 --> 00:27:44,837
as soon as that
conversation was finished.
561
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,056
Let's find out who he
called and what he said.
562
00:27:52,061 --> 00:27:54,368
As Senior Pastor of First Harmony,
563
00:27:54,411 --> 00:27:57,414
I don't have
day-to-day involvement.
564
00:27:57,458 --> 00:28:01,854
I function strictly in
an advisory capacity now.
565
00:28:01,897 --> 00:28:04,683
Yes, but that capacity includes
566
00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:07,120
the provision of counsel
to Pastor Mike, doesn't it?
567
00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:08,556
It does.
568
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:12,081
Does he typically call
you in the evening?
569
00:28:12,125 --> 00:28:16,390
- He does not.
- But he did call you December 14th at night.
570
00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:17,957
What did you two talk about?
571
00:28:19,915 --> 00:28:21,743
I'm a preacher.
572
00:28:21,787 --> 00:28:24,267
Conversations with my congregants are
573
00:28:24,311 --> 00:28:26,748
meant to be confidential.
574
00:28:26,792 --> 00:28:28,968
A woman was murdered.
575
00:28:29,011 --> 00:28:30,883
Doesn't that trump confidentiality?
576
00:28:34,277 --> 00:28:38,629
He called me on that
night as his clergyman.
577
00:28:38,673 --> 00:28:42,633
He wanted to unburden his soul,
578
00:28:42,677 --> 00:28:46,507
which means the nature
of that conversation
579
00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:50,903
is protected under the laws
of the State of New York.
580
00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:55,603
So just so I'm clear...
581
00:28:55,646 --> 00:28:59,781
you're okay if a murderer walks free?
582
00:29:06,962 --> 00:29:11,967
I'm not talking, fellas. Simple as that.
583
00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:24,893
Bryant is the whole
ballgame. He has to testify.
584
00:29:24,937 --> 00:29:29,289
But he's a clergyman. And
he's right about the law.
585
00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:31,900
His conversation with the
defendant is privileged.
586
00:29:31,944 --> 00:29:35,730
Unless that privilege is in
service of a crime or fraud.
587
00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:37,297
You're on dangerous ground, Nolan.
588
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,429
To prove that, you have
to attack the church.
589
00:29:39,473 --> 00:29:41,083
I thought we agreed
590
00:29:41,127 --> 00:29:43,825
that we would make the case
about the man not the religion.
591
00:29:43,869 --> 00:29:45,087
I'm not going after religion.
592
00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:47,960
I'm going after a
single corrupt preacher.
593
00:29:48,003 --> 00:29:49,744
It'll read as blasphemy.
594
00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:51,659
Delegitimizing First Harmony
595
00:29:51,702 --> 00:29:54,183
is the only way to convict Pastor Mike.
596
00:29:54,227 --> 00:29:56,055
Otherwise, we may as
well drop the charges.
597
00:29:56,098 --> 00:29:59,449
If we lose this case,
all people will remember
598
00:29:59,493 --> 00:30:01,756
is an over-zealous prosecutor
599
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,628
who vilified a church
for no good reason.
600
00:30:04,672 --> 00:30:07,327
And that's all I'm
going to remember too.
601
00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:13,768
The mere suggestion this
trial should devolve into
602
00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:17,206
a referendum on the legitimacy
of First Harmony is outrageous.
603
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:19,905
I take the point. Mr. Price?
604
00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:24,126
The People are aware of the
sensitivities at play here.
605
00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:26,259
But we're only
questioning that legitimacy
606
00:30:26,302 --> 00:30:29,436
for the limited purposes
of a privilege inquiry.
607
00:30:29,479 --> 00:30:32,308
The phone call between
Pastor Mike and Pastor Bryant
608
00:30:32,352 --> 00:30:35,616
was obviously for the purpose
of seeking spiritual advice.
609
00:30:35,659 --> 00:30:37,313
Presumptively for that purpose,
610
00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:39,881
a presumption that can be overcome
611
00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:43,798
if we establish that the
church is a corrupt enterprise.
612
00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:45,931
I share your concerns, Mr. Dressler,
613
00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:48,281
but this is a murder trial.
614
00:30:48,324 --> 00:30:49,900
So I'm gonna grant the People
615
00:30:49,901 --> 00:30:53,416
a limited opportunity
to demonstrate fraud.
616
00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:56,332
And the defense will
have the chance to rebut.
617
00:31:02,077 --> 00:31:06,908
Mr. Conley, how much did
you donate to First Harmony?
618
00:31:06,952 --> 00:31:09,519
$61,000 over three years.
619
00:31:09,563 --> 00:31:10,869
And during that time,
620
00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,741
did you experience
any financial setbacks?
621
00:31:13,784 --> 00:31:16,744
Yes. I lost my home, my car.
622
00:31:16,787 --> 00:31:18,398
Couldn't even pay the storage facility,
623
00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:19,878
so they sold my stuff.
624
00:31:19,921 --> 00:31:23,229
And yet you continued donating
to First Harmony, right?
625
00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:24,665
- Yes.
- Why?
626
00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:26,841
Because Pastor Mike told
me if I stopped giving,
627
00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:29,322
it could jeopardize my
relationship with God.
628
00:31:29,365 --> 00:31:32,238
The money you donated...
do you know where it went?
629
00:31:32,281 --> 00:31:34,327
Yeah. His Tesla.
630
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:37,591
His mansion in Armonk. His catamaran.
631
00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:40,681
What Pastor needs a catamaran?
632
00:31:40,724 --> 00:31:42,901
Nothing further.
633
00:31:46,426 --> 00:31:48,950
Mr. Conley,
634
00:31:48,994 --> 00:31:51,735
are you currently a member
of Gamblers Anonymous?
635
00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:55,478
Yes.
636
00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:57,959
And how much money
have you lost gambling
637
00:31:58,003 --> 00:31:59,439
the past three years?
638
00:31:59,482 --> 00:32:01,180
I don't remember.
639
00:32:01,223 --> 00:32:04,661
Nearly $200,000. Is that right?
640
00:32:04,705 --> 00:32:06,446
I guess.
641
00:32:06,489 --> 00:32:08,622
So First Harmony isn't the real cause
642
00:32:08,665 --> 00:32:10,798
of your financial woes, is it?
643
00:32:10,841 --> 00:32:12,234
Doesn't matter.
644
00:32:12,278 --> 00:32:14,541
That man over there stole from me.
645
00:32:21,113 --> 00:32:23,942
Mr. Ballard, you're a
recovering heroin addict.
646
00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:25,726
- Is that right?
- Recovered.
647
00:32:25,769 --> 00:32:27,293
That's amazing.
648
00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:30,383
And to what do you
attribute your recovery?
649
00:32:30,426 --> 00:32:31,993
Pastor Mike.
650
00:32:32,037 --> 00:32:35,127
He got me into a facility,
paid for the program.
651
00:32:35,170 --> 00:32:36,911
Visited me every day for six weeks
652
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,391
to make sure I was doing the work.
653
00:32:38,434 --> 00:32:40,697
Were you employed as a sales rep
654
00:32:40,741 --> 00:32:42,656
for Shearing Pharmaceuticals?
655
00:32:42,699 --> 00:32:45,006
Yes, for four years.
656
00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:46,616
I just got laid off.
657
00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:49,402
I'm sorry about that.
And who got you that job?
658
00:32:49,445 --> 00:32:51,143
Pastor Mike.
659
00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:52,796
There's been testimony about
660
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,321
Pastor Mike's extravagant lifestyle.
661
00:32:55,364 --> 00:32:56,975
Are you familiar with how he lives?
662
00:32:57,018 --> 00:32:58,237
Of course.
663
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,543
And it's a blessing to the congregation.
664
00:33:00,587 --> 00:33:03,111
Do you believe First Harmony
defrauded you in any way?
665
00:33:03,155 --> 00:33:05,592
No. As Pastor Mike likes to say,
666
00:33:05,635 --> 00:33:08,682
"When we invest in the church,
we invest in ourselves."
667
00:33:08,725 --> 00:33:10,423
And I'm living proof that's true.
668
00:33:10,466 --> 00:33:12,033
Thank you.
669
00:33:14,688 --> 00:33:15,950
Mr. Ballard,
670
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:18,387
I'm very sorry about
the loss of your sister.
671
00:33:18,431 --> 00:33:20,911
Thank you.
672
00:33:20,955 --> 00:33:25,786
Until a short time ago,
what was your net worth?
673
00:33:25,829 --> 00:33:27,788
About $40,000.
674
00:33:27,831 --> 00:33:29,833
What's your net worth now?
675
00:33:29,877 --> 00:33:32,706
- Less than that.
- In fact, it is zero.
676
00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:36,753
Because you donated every
cent you had to First Harmony.
677
00:33:36,797 --> 00:33:38,146
I'll make more.
678
00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:40,975
How much have you given First Harmony
679
00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:43,499
over the past four years?
680
00:33:43,543 --> 00:33:44,805
I don't remember.
681
00:33:44,848 --> 00:33:48,765
Does almost $90,000 sound right?
682
00:33:48,809 --> 00:33:53,031
I donated because that's
the right thing to do.
683
00:33:53,074 --> 00:33:55,120
I owe Pastor Mike. I owe him.
684
00:33:55,163 --> 00:33:59,515
Well, isn't it possible
that the man you say you owe
685
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,604
turned you into a productive citizen
686
00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:04,694
in order to milk you of
everything you earned?
687
00:34:04,738 --> 00:34:07,567
No. Donating to your church
is the right thing to do.
688
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:09,612
Pastor Mike deserves
every penny I gave him.
689
00:34:09,656 --> 00:34:11,527
Oh, you gave Pastor Mike your money?
690
00:34:11,571 --> 00:34:14,139
No, no, I meant I... I
gave it to First Harm...
691
00:34:14,181 --> 00:34:16,010
this man is trying to fool me!
692
00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:17,751
No, sir.
693
00:34:17,793 --> 00:34:21,710
I am not the one fooling you.
694
00:34:21,755 --> 00:34:24,062
Nothing further.
695
00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:32,460
The parishioners who donated
696
00:34:32,505 --> 00:34:34,681
did so knowing that Pastor
Mike was spending at least
697
00:34:34,724 --> 00:34:37,161
some of the money on himself.
698
00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:39,728
No one was threatened or coerced.
699
00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:44,125
They donated for inspiration,
which is exactly what they got.
700
00:34:44,168 --> 00:34:49,348
Pastor Mike's success was
a beacon to his parish,
701
00:34:49,391 --> 00:34:52,132
which is all that the
prosperity gospel entails.
702
00:34:52,177 --> 00:34:54,483
You get the benefit of your bargain,
703
00:34:54,527 --> 00:34:58,052
it can't be fraud.
704
00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:01,142
Mr. Price?
705
00:35:01,186 --> 00:35:06,930
Fraud needn't be a function
of deceit or coercion.
706
00:35:06,974 --> 00:35:08,628
It can also be manipulation
707
00:35:08,671 --> 00:35:11,239
by a person in a position of trust,
708
00:35:11,283 --> 00:35:15,156
such as a pastor who tells his flock
709
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,507
that their relationship
with God will be compromised
710
00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:21,684
if they don't give money to the church.
711
00:35:21,728 --> 00:35:24,209
These donations were part
of a shameless money grab
712
00:35:24,252 --> 00:35:27,212
by a charismatic and manipulative figure
713
00:35:27,255 --> 00:35:30,084
in a position of control and power.
714
00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:33,914
The defendant concealed these
cash contributions from the IRS
715
00:35:33,957 --> 00:35:35,916
and used the money he received
716
00:35:35,959 --> 00:35:38,397
to finance his opulent lifestyle.
717
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,141
That is not religion. That's fraud.
718
00:35:51,061 --> 00:35:54,500
I agree with Mr. Price.
719
00:35:54,543 --> 00:35:59,244
And since the defense
did not rebut his claims,
720
00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:02,638
I am vitiating the clergy privilege.
721
00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:18,219
Mr. Price.
722
00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:20,003
- Why you doing this?
- Excuse me?
723
00:36:20,047 --> 00:36:22,180
Trying to destroy my church.
724
00:36:22,223 --> 00:36:24,660
No, I can assure you,
that is not my objective.
725
00:36:24,704 --> 00:36:26,619
You're acting like we
don't know what we're doing,
726
00:36:26,662 --> 00:36:28,925
that Pastor Mike is
trying to defraud us.
727
00:36:28,969 --> 00:36:31,450
That's not what's going on here.
728
00:36:31,493 --> 00:36:34,100
We know what we're doing. We
want to give him our money.
729
00:36:34,243 --> 00:36:37,804
That is your choice.
I... I don't really care.
730
00:36:37,847 --> 00:36:39,980
I'm simply trying to
present the facts to the jury
731
00:36:40,023 --> 00:36:41,895
so they know what really happened...
732
00:36:41,938 --> 00:36:44,245
so they know who really
killed Emily, your sister.
733
00:36:44,289 --> 00:36:45,942
I-I would've thought that's something
734
00:36:45,986 --> 00:36:47,117
you might be interested in as well.
735
00:36:47,261 --> 00:36:49,132
Don't do that.
736
00:36:49,176 --> 00:36:53,136
Don't you dare suggest that
I don't love my sister Emily.
737
00:36:53,180 --> 00:36:56,357
I do. More than anything.
738
00:36:56,401 --> 00:36:57,532
But she's gone.
739
00:36:57,576 --> 00:36:59,534
Ain't nothing we can do about that.
740
00:36:59,578 --> 00:37:00,927
And nothing you could do to convince me
741
00:37:00,970 --> 00:37:02,624
that Pastor Mike is involved.
742
00:37:02,668 --> 00:37:05,148
- I won't bother trying.
- Wait, wait.
743
00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:10,850
I'm just scared.
744
00:37:10,893 --> 00:37:15,158
If you destroy Pastor
Mike and my church...
745
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:20,729
I'm left with absolutely nothing.
746
00:37:25,647 --> 00:37:27,519
Please.
747
00:37:41,489 --> 00:37:43,970
Pastor Mike Butler
748
00:37:44,013 --> 00:37:47,843
called you at 9:14 on the
evening of Emily Wade's murder.
749
00:37:49,845 --> 00:37:52,718
- He did.
- And what did he tell you?
750
00:37:59,638 --> 00:38:03,903
He told me he wanted to pray with me
751
00:38:03,946 --> 00:38:07,385
because he had transgressed.
752
00:38:10,866 --> 00:38:15,741
Did he tell you exactly
what the transgression was?
753
00:38:15,784 --> 00:38:18,308
This is not right.
754
00:38:18,352 --> 00:38:21,268
That conversation was sacred.
755
00:38:21,311 --> 00:38:22,443
Pastor Bryant...
756
00:38:22,487 --> 00:38:25,577
Only God should know the contents.
757
00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:29,494
Will the court please
instruct the witness to answer?
758
00:38:29,537 --> 00:38:32,235
Pastor Bryant, the court has ruled
759
00:38:32,279 --> 00:38:34,237
clergy privilege does not apply here.
760
00:38:34,281 --> 00:38:35,891
- Oh.
- If you don't answer,
761
00:38:35,935 --> 00:38:37,545
I will have to hold you in contempt.
762
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:39,286
Do you understand that?
763
00:38:43,072 --> 00:38:44,291
Yes.
764
00:38:44,334 --> 00:38:47,947
Ask your question again, Mr. Price.
765
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:51,080
I'll make it a simple
yes or no question.
766
00:38:51,124 --> 00:38:53,996
Did the defendant tell you
767
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,305
that he had instructed Mr.
Sherman to kill Emily Wade?
768
00:39:04,093 --> 00:39:05,443
Yes.
769
00:39:21,546 --> 00:39:24,810
Nothing further.
770
00:39:24,853 --> 00:39:27,073
Then we are adjourned for the day.
771
00:39:31,991 --> 00:39:34,036
Man one, 20 max.
772
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,909
Murder two, 20 to life.
773
00:39:42,567 --> 00:39:45,439
I'll start drafting the plea agreement.
774
00:39:45,483 --> 00:39:49,399
I'll, um, talk to Emily's brother,
775
00:39:49,443 --> 00:39:51,793
let him know the case is over.
776
00:40:02,325 --> 00:40:03,762
Lonnie?
777
00:40:03,805 --> 00:40:06,808
It's Nolan Price from the DA's office.
778
00:40:08,723 --> 00:40:11,900
Hello, Lonnie?
779
00:40:23,477 --> 00:40:26,306
Oh, no. Lonnie?
780
00:40:26,349 --> 00:40:29,004
Lonnie.
781
00:40:29,048 --> 00:40:31,311
Lonnie? Lonnie?
782
00:40:31,354 --> 00:40:32,834
Lonnie? Oh, God.
783
00:40:36,838 --> 00:40:39,493
Yeah, I-I need an ambulance.
784
00:40:39,537 --> 00:40:41,930
435 Warshaw, Queens. Apartment 4B.
785
00:40:41,974 --> 00:40:44,672
He's overdosed. I need help right away.
786
00:40:46,456 --> 00:40:49,982
Lonnie? Lonnie, stay with me.
787
00:40:57,686 --> 00:41:02,686
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