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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,923 --> 00:00:08,341 -The things he did to those kids, 2 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:11,094 he's confessed to it twice now. 3 00:00:11,469 --> 00:00:14,097 There is also the matter of my co-counsel. 4 00:00:14,139 --> 00:00:15,807 We're gonna need a real nuts-and-bolts guy 5 00:00:15,849 --> 00:00:18,518 to keep shoveling off the shit Kunkle throws our way. 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,770 There is a petition to remand my client 7 00:00:20,812 --> 00:00:23,773 to the psychiatric hospices of Cermak Hospital. 8 00:00:23,815 --> 00:00:26,443 All we ask is that he be held in emergency custody 9 00:00:26,484 --> 00:00:28,403 for psychiatric evaluation. -[John scoffs] 10 00:00:29,154 --> 00:00:30,363 -The court agrees. 11 00:00:30,405 --> 00:00:35,160 [indistinct chattering] 12 00:00:35,201 --> 00:00:38,580 -I told cops, you did nothing! 13 00:00:38,621 --> 00:00:40,206 Where is he? 14 00:00:40,415 --> 00:00:41,583 Where is my boy? 15 00:00:41,875 --> 00:00:44,544 -Parents reported the boys missing. 16 00:00:44,586 --> 00:00:46,254 CPD kept doing nothing. 17 00:00:46,296 --> 00:00:47,714 -Medical and dental records 18 00:00:47,756 --> 00:00:51,217 will be required to identify the deceased. 19 00:00:51,259 --> 00:00:55,555 John: They dumped some of them, off the side. Right here. 20 00:00:55,597 --> 00:00:57,682 -Goddamn fairies. 21 00:00:57,724 --> 00:00:59,809 Faggots brought it on themselves. 22 00:01:00,101 --> 00:01:01,728 Elizabeth: He wasn't like that. 23 00:01:01,770 --> 00:01:03,813 Not like what they're saying like those other boys. 24 00:01:03,855 --> 00:01:05,273 He wasn't like that. 25 00:01:05,315 --> 00:01:08,193 He was-- He was better than what they're saying! 26 00:01:08,526 --> 00:01:11,446 [chattering indistinctly] 27 00:01:11,488 --> 00:01:14,491 [cameras rolling, shutters clicking] 28 00:01:22,791 --> 00:01:25,794 [soft somber music playing] 29 00:01:40,433 --> 00:01:43,436 [footsteps approaching] 30 00:01:52,195 --> 00:01:55,156 -I can do this. I, I can... 31 00:01:55,365 --> 00:01:58,159 -I have to. Thank you. 32 00:01:59,911 --> 00:02:01,162 -You don't. 33 00:02:04,541 --> 00:02:05,709 [clears throat] 34 00:02:06,334 --> 00:02:07,836 These are the X-rays. 35 00:02:08,503 --> 00:02:11,840 Um, one shows that root canal he had that year. 36 00:02:13,675 --> 00:02:14,884 -His infection. 37 00:02:14,926 --> 00:02:16,970 -The other's for the gold crown. 38 00:02:17,012 --> 00:02:19,639 I have earlier images, but I-- 39 00:02:19,681 --> 00:02:21,433 I don't think they'll need them. 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,399 Molds I took of his teeth. 41 00:02:30,984 --> 00:02:33,695 I made models, uh, a couple of years ago. 42 00:02:34,529 --> 00:02:36,364 In, in case-- 43 00:02:36,698 --> 00:02:38,533 Well, after he disappeared. 44 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:42,412 In case... 45 00:02:47,375 --> 00:02:50,378 [somber music continues] 46 00:02:58,345 --> 00:03:01,348 [wind rustling] 47 00:03:06,519 --> 00:03:08,521 [bird cawing in distance] 48 00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:15,737 [soft music playing] 49 00:03:31,419 --> 00:03:33,713 -No. No, no, no, no. 50 00:03:34,089 --> 00:03:35,548 No, no, no. 51 00:03:36,466 --> 00:03:40,261 No. No. No, no, no. 52 00:03:43,431 --> 00:03:46,559 [panting] 53 00:03:49,813 --> 00:03:52,399 [dog whimpering] 54 00:04:02,617 --> 00:04:06,579 -This case is gonna be built by digging through case law. 55 00:04:06,621 --> 00:04:08,456 It's actually extremely exciting. 56 00:04:08,498 --> 00:04:09,791 -Fucking tedious. 57 00:04:11,001 --> 00:04:14,004 -All right. Be straight with me. 58 00:04:15,005 --> 00:04:17,424 What did Gacy confess to police? 59 00:04:18,842 --> 00:04:21,428 -All of it. All the murders. 60 00:04:21,469 --> 00:04:22,470 Thirty-two of 'em. 61 00:04:22,762 --> 00:04:23,972 If it's even the right number. 62 00:04:24,014 --> 00:04:25,515 -How the hell'd you let that happen? 63 00:04:26,349 --> 00:04:27,600 -My team meet him. 64 00:04:31,146 --> 00:04:32,856 -You get a copy of the confession from police? 65 00:04:32,897 --> 00:04:34,315 Did Gacy sign it? 66 00:04:34,607 --> 00:04:36,609 -Nope. Nothing to sign, Bob. 67 00:04:36,651 --> 00:04:38,903 Police didn't have him write it down or record it. 68 00:04:38,945 --> 00:04:41,531 He just kept talking like a fucking looney tune. 69 00:04:41,573 --> 00:04:43,116 Des Plaines just jotted down notes. 70 00:04:43,158 --> 00:04:44,576 -Oh, hang on a minute. 71 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:47,871 You're saying all I got is some notes? 72 00:04:52,625 --> 00:04:54,044 -Confession didn't happen. 73 00:04:54,336 --> 00:04:55,795 -They could've said whatever they wanted. 74 00:04:55,837 --> 00:04:57,088 -Holy shit. -When they got-- 75 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:59,007 They got nothing to prove Gacy said anything. 76 00:04:59,049 --> 00:05:00,884 Plus, you said he was distressed. 77 00:05:00,925 --> 00:05:03,595 You said taking pills, he's drinking heavily 78 00:05:03,636 --> 00:05:06,723 could be improper exertion of influence. 79 00:05:06,765 --> 00:05:09,017 Right now, all they got evidence of 80 00:05:09,059 --> 00:05:12,020 is that Gacy was illegally operating a graveyard. 81 00:05:13,855 --> 00:05:15,023 -[scoffs] 82 00:05:15,190 --> 00:05:16,900 I mean, we still gotta build up a defense. 83 00:05:16,941 --> 00:05:18,109 Insanity is the way to go. 84 00:05:18,151 --> 00:05:19,486 -No other way. 85 00:05:19,527 --> 00:05:21,071 -I mean, look. The good news is 86 00:05:21,112 --> 00:05:22,947 half the shrinks in the country are begging for a crack at him. 87 00:05:22,989 --> 00:05:25,658 He's like the fucking Mona Lisa to these people. 88 00:05:26,368 --> 00:05:28,161 -Prosecution's entitled to run their own tests 89 00:05:28,203 --> 00:05:29,287 with their own professionals, 90 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:30,705 but I think we worry about that later. 91 00:05:31,414 --> 00:05:32,999 -[sighs] 92 00:05:33,708 --> 00:05:34,918 I mean, 93 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,546 there isn't a world where he's anything 94 00:05:38,588 --> 00:05:40,423 but fucking crazy, right? 95 00:05:41,091 --> 00:05:43,093 [***] 96 00:05:43,677 --> 00:05:47,138 Lt. Kozenczak: Gacy. G-A-C-Y. 97 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:51,434 Any reports on his sentencing, incarceration, 98 00:05:51,476 --> 00:05:53,436 and his release from Anamosa State? 99 00:05:53,687 --> 00:05:54,813 Yes. Thank you. 100 00:05:54,854 --> 00:05:57,482 Fax it over as soon as possible. Thank you. 101 00:05:58,817 --> 00:06:01,820 [indistinct chattering, vehicles honking horns] 102 00:06:04,072 --> 00:06:05,615 Lt. Kozenczak: Appreciate your time, Frank. 103 00:06:05,657 --> 00:06:08,451 -Yeah. Helluva way to start your tenure as Chief of Detectives. 104 00:06:08,493 --> 00:06:11,413 They're, uh, calling it the "Crime of a Century." 105 00:06:11,454 --> 00:06:12,747 [Frank chuckles] 106 00:06:12,789 --> 00:06:16,167 -Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know? -Yeah. I do. 107 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:17,544 So how can I help? 108 00:06:17,585 --> 00:06:21,047 -Our investigation recovered Gacy's company payroll. 109 00:06:21,089 --> 00:06:23,174 And Detective Tovar here 110 00:06:23,216 --> 00:06:25,885 was looking into some of the employees listed. 111 00:06:25,927 --> 00:06:29,556 A few of them were reported missing to your division 112 00:06:29,597 --> 00:06:30,765 around the same time. 113 00:06:30,807 --> 00:06:32,851 We're hoping to get some clarification on 114 00:06:32,892 --> 00:06:37,814 what was known about Gacy and when it was known by CPD. 115 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,734 -God, I think it's fair to say nothing was on here, Joe. 116 00:06:40,775 --> 00:06:42,610 Otherwise, we'd intervened. 117 00:06:42,652 --> 00:06:46,573 Det. Tovar: I'm sorry. You guys dropped the ball. 118 00:06:48,074 --> 00:06:51,161 You know that. We know that. Let's just-- 119 00:06:51,202 --> 00:06:53,663 Let's just get this straight here. It's our ass, too. 120 00:06:53,705 --> 00:06:55,874 -We're not trying to pin anything on Chicago... 121 00:06:55,915 --> 00:06:57,167 -It sounds like it. 122 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:59,127 -Help us understand this. 123 00:06:59,169 --> 00:07:02,672 A man convicted of sodomizing a teen boy 124 00:07:02,714 --> 00:07:04,799 is paroled early to Chicago. 125 00:07:05,133 --> 00:07:07,135 And then his teenage, male employees 126 00:07:07,177 --> 00:07:08,970 start disappearing from the area. 127 00:07:09,012 --> 00:07:11,139 And nobody in your department looks into the guy? 128 00:07:11,806 --> 00:07:14,017 Nobody taps our officers, lets us know 129 00:07:14,059 --> 00:07:15,977 there might be somebody in our neighborhood hurting kids? 130 00:07:16,019 --> 00:07:19,814 -The families, they're gonna want an explanation. 131 00:07:20,607 --> 00:07:22,233 And what we are trying to say is that 132 00:07:22,275 --> 00:07:25,028 we are more than willing to be the first line of defense 133 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:28,198 if you can help us fill in these gaps. 134 00:07:30,533 --> 00:07:31,951 -You, uh, you know 135 00:07:31,993 --> 00:07:34,704 we don't treat every missing kid as a homicide, right? 136 00:07:34,746 --> 00:07:36,664 Teenagers, especially. 137 00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:41,795 Last year in Chicago, 19,000 kids go missing, 18,000 return, 138 00:07:41,836 --> 00:07:44,297 and blow off a little steam, they come home. 139 00:07:44,339 --> 00:07:45,840 -Except the thousand who don't. 140 00:07:45,882 --> 00:07:49,052 -The Szyc kid, I understand. There's no direct link to Gacy. 141 00:07:50,178 --> 00:07:51,888 Then you have Butkovich's father, 142 00:07:51,930 --> 00:07:53,973 and then the parents of the other missing employee... 143 00:07:54,015 --> 00:07:55,642 -Yeah. Greg Godzik. 144 00:07:55,684 --> 00:07:56,810 Yeah, we looked into it. 145 00:07:56,851 --> 00:07:58,520 -Both families. 146 00:07:58,561 --> 00:07:59,979 We have both families 147 00:08:00,021 --> 00:08:03,858 saying that they were calling CPD, nonstop. 148 00:08:04,067 --> 00:08:05,151 Mentioning Gacy. 149 00:08:05,193 --> 00:08:07,904 -Yeah. I-- I've read the reports, Joe. 150 00:08:09,698 --> 00:08:11,783 We visited Gacy, oh yeah. Looked into him. 151 00:08:11,825 --> 00:08:12,701 Det. Tovar: Sometimes. 152 00:08:12,742 --> 00:08:15,161 -But these weren't kids. 153 00:08:15,370 --> 00:08:16,996 They're teenagers. 154 00:08:17,038 --> 00:08:18,957 And no known violence had occurred. 155 00:08:18,998 --> 00:08:21,292 No record of foul play. 156 00:08:21,334 --> 00:08:23,003 No reason... Det. Tovar: We were told-- 157 00:08:23,044 --> 00:08:25,005 ...to request Gacy's record whatsoever. 158 00:08:25,046 --> 00:08:27,799 -We were told by both families that they were adamant to CPD 159 00:08:27,841 --> 00:08:29,634 that Gacy has something to do with it. 160 00:08:30,385 --> 00:08:32,012 Nobody thought the two missing persons 161 00:08:32,053 --> 00:08:33,763 linked to the same man was odd? 162 00:08:34,097 --> 00:08:36,099 It was just chalked up to coincidence. 163 00:08:39,602 --> 00:08:42,063 -This isn't Des Plaines. It's Chicago. 164 00:08:42,105 --> 00:08:43,606 It's a fucking sprawl. 165 00:08:43,898 --> 00:08:47,777 Butkovich was from Police Area Six, north side. 166 00:08:48,236 --> 00:08:51,197 The Godziks are from Area Five, northwest side. 167 00:08:51,239 --> 00:08:55,744 So you got Marko Butkovich calling Area Six about his son. 168 00:08:55,785 --> 00:08:58,246 You got the Godziks calling Area Five about theirs. 169 00:08:58,288 --> 00:09:00,874 Sure. Both reports mentioned a man named Gacy, 170 00:09:00,915 --> 00:09:02,709 but how are two different officers 171 00:09:02,751 --> 00:09:06,129 in two different locations supposed to know that? 172 00:09:06,171 --> 00:09:08,631 -When I was at vice, we shared whatever information we had. 173 00:09:08,673 --> 00:09:11,593 -Vice? Yeah. That's why you're such a fucking asshole. 174 00:09:11,885 --> 00:09:13,970 Vice is where we sent cowboys and mutts 175 00:09:14,012 --> 00:09:15,305 who can't be fucking muzzled. 176 00:09:17,932 --> 00:09:19,184 You know, part of being a leader 177 00:09:19,225 --> 00:09:21,102 is controlling your subordinate, Joe. 178 00:09:27,817 --> 00:09:29,986 -I'm sitting on potentially dozens of bodies 179 00:09:30,028 --> 00:09:31,780 that need to be identified, 180 00:09:33,114 --> 00:09:34,783 and I've run out of road. 181 00:09:35,408 --> 00:09:38,912 Files on every missing kid that fits Gacy's M.O., 182 00:09:38,953 --> 00:09:40,288 that would be a great help. 183 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:42,832 Plus, anything you have on Gacy himself. 184 00:09:43,041 --> 00:09:44,751 -Well, there's a system. 185 00:09:44,793 --> 00:09:46,753 Lotta paperwork, gonna take some time. 186 00:09:46,795 --> 00:09:48,672 Weeks, months... -Uh-hmm. 187 00:09:48,713 --> 00:09:50,173 I understand the system. 188 00:09:50,215 --> 00:09:53,635 I would consider it a favor for whatever that is worth. 189 00:09:53,843 --> 00:09:55,887 -Ship all the files for every missing kid 190 00:09:55,929 --> 00:09:58,098 from 1970 to now over to Des Plaines. 191 00:09:58,139 --> 00:09:59,391 Well, you got it. 192 00:10:01,309 --> 00:10:06,648 But you'll see, most of these kids are just troubled. 193 00:10:09,818 --> 00:10:11,403 [siren wailing in distance] 194 00:10:11,444 --> 00:10:13,655 [indistinct chattering] 195 00:10:19,411 --> 00:10:22,414 [upbeat music playing in car] 196 00:10:30,171 --> 00:10:31,172 singer: * Well, I've been * * lookin' real hard... * 197 00:10:31,214 --> 00:10:32,716 -Where are you two headed? 198 00:10:32,757 --> 00:10:33,758 * ...and I'm tryin' * * to find a job * 199 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,176 * But it just keeps... * 200 00:10:35,218 --> 00:10:37,137 -You wanna take us? -* Gettin' tougher every day * 201 00:10:37,178 --> 00:10:40,056 * But I got to do my part * -Hop in. 202 00:10:40,098 --> 00:10:41,850 * ...'cause I know * * in my heart I got... * 203 00:10:41,891 --> 00:10:45,020 * ...to please * * my sweet baby, yeah * 204 00:10:45,061 --> 00:10:47,397 * Well, I ain't superstitious * 205 00:10:47,439 --> 00:10:49,232 * And I don't get suspicious * 206 00:10:49,274 --> 00:10:52,902 * But my woman * * is a friend of mine * 207 00:10:52,944 --> 00:10:54,904 * And I know that it's true * 208 00:10:54,946 --> 00:10:56,865 * That all the things * * that I do * 209 00:10:56,906 --> 00:11:00,869 * Will come back to me * * in my sweet time * 210 00:11:00,910 --> 00:11:03,747 * So keep on rock'n me * * baby * 211 00:11:04,456 --> 00:11:07,459 * Keep on rock'n me * * baby * 212 00:11:08,335 --> 00:11:09,252 * Keep on... * 213 00:11:10,503 --> 00:11:12,339 Maryjane: You don't wanna rent some skates? 214 00:11:12,380 --> 00:11:13,506 Come out here? 215 00:11:13,548 --> 00:11:15,258 Danny: Don't have enough cash. 216 00:11:17,052 --> 00:11:18,219 Maryjane: It's Billy, right? 217 00:11:20,221 --> 00:11:21,890 You got a fancy car, too? 218 00:11:22,182 --> 00:11:24,434 -Uh, no. -[chuckles] 219 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:28,021 Beth: How can you afford to fill that thing up with gas 220 00:11:28,063 --> 00:11:29,356 if you can't afford to skate? 221 00:11:29,397 --> 00:11:31,066 Danny: Maybe that's why I can't afford to, honey. 222 00:11:31,107 --> 00:11:32,150 You think of that? 223 00:11:32,901 --> 00:11:34,819 -I'm sorry. Danny has a sharp tongue, 224 00:11:34,861 --> 00:11:36,363 and he thinks it's a gift. 225 00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:39,491 [indistinct chattering] 226 00:11:39,532 --> 00:11:42,077 [man laughing in distance] 227 00:11:42,327 --> 00:11:43,745 -What's your gift? 228 00:11:44,454 --> 00:11:47,165 -[chuckles] Outrunning cops. 229 00:11:50,043 --> 00:11:51,127 -Can I come with you? 230 00:11:51,169 --> 00:11:53,505 [music playing in distance] 231 00:11:53,546 --> 00:11:54,464 Please? 232 00:11:58,134 --> 00:11:59,260 -You from Chicago? 233 00:11:59,302 --> 00:12:01,930 -Yeah. But, uh, my family, 234 00:12:01,971 --> 00:12:03,223 we lived away for a while, 235 00:12:03,264 --> 00:12:06,101 but I missed the city, so I came back. 236 00:12:08,186 --> 00:12:10,021 -What was that your friend was saying? 237 00:12:10,063 --> 00:12:11,106 About you and cops? 238 00:12:12,065 --> 00:12:14,234 -He's trying to embarrass me. singer: * All my friends * 239 00:12:14,275 --> 00:12:16,111 * They tell me don't... * 240 00:12:16,152 --> 00:12:17,529 -Who'd you steal that car from? 241 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:21,950 * But I've been * * around in the world... * 242 00:12:24,119 --> 00:12:26,246 -If I tell you, will you go to dinner with me? 243 00:12:26,287 --> 00:12:28,248 * Why? Why, oh, why? * 244 00:12:28,289 --> 00:12:31,292 [people laughing and chattering] 245 00:12:36,131 --> 00:12:38,008 John: I'm happy to have you on the team. 246 00:12:38,550 --> 00:12:41,261 That's a helluva 'stache you got on you. 247 00:12:41,302 --> 00:12:42,429 You do somethin' with it? 248 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:44,305 Put somethin' in it to make it so full? 249 00:12:45,140 --> 00:12:46,933 Bob: Soap and water. 250 00:12:46,975 --> 00:12:48,893 -Hah. Good on you. 251 00:12:48,935 --> 00:12:50,562 Sam: All right. Here she is. 252 00:12:51,479 --> 00:12:54,941 Lot of very accomplished, intelligent psychiatrists 253 00:12:54,983 --> 00:12:56,401 wanted to meet with you, John. 254 00:12:56,443 --> 00:12:58,278 Fought for it even. 255 00:12:58,653 --> 00:13:02,449 Dr. Deborah Healy is the best out of California. 256 00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:04,951 Flew out here just to see you. 257 00:13:04,993 --> 00:13:05,952 -Oh. 258 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,163 All right then. 259 00:13:09,164 --> 00:13:10,832 You're the lucky winner. 260 00:13:10,874 --> 00:13:12,250 Step right up, head-shrinker. 261 00:13:12,542 --> 00:13:14,085 -It's good to meet you. 262 00:13:14,878 --> 00:13:16,087 [loud metal clang] 263 00:13:17,047 --> 00:13:19,007 -I'm not being rude. Just... 264 00:13:19,215 --> 00:13:21,217 -You're not gonna try anything, are you? 265 00:13:21,259 --> 00:13:24,971 -[chuckles] I've always had a thing for blondes. 266 00:13:25,221 --> 00:13:27,182 -I suppose that's a no then. 267 00:13:35,565 --> 00:13:36,566 John: There you go. 268 00:13:37,317 --> 00:13:38,401 [sighs] 269 00:13:41,154 --> 00:13:42,489 That's better. 270 00:13:42,530 --> 00:13:44,032 Sam: Before Bob and I go, 271 00:13:44,074 --> 00:13:47,118 we just wanna make sure that you understand the prosecution 272 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,538 will make use of this evaluation. Okay? 273 00:13:50,580 --> 00:13:54,459 Everything you say will be on the record. 274 00:13:54,501 --> 00:13:55,919 -Yeah, yeah, yeah. 275 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,545 I'm happy to talk to whoever, 276 00:13:57,962 --> 00:14:00,548 get the story straight, you know? 277 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:02,425 Put the blame where it belongs. 278 00:14:02,634 --> 00:14:05,011 [prison door alarm in distance] 279 00:14:05,053 --> 00:14:07,931 Sam: All right. Have fun. 280 00:14:08,973 --> 00:14:11,976 [eerie music playing] 281 00:14:16,731 --> 00:14:18,233 -So, 282 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,445 what do you want to know? 283 00:14:29,494 --> 00:14:31,371 Dr. Healy: A good childhood then. 284 00:14:31,413 --> 00:14:34,457 -I loved my father. And he loved me. 285 00:14:34,499 --> 00:14:36,251 He was just from the old-school. 286 00:14:36,584 --> 00:14:39,087 A strong man. Strong views. 287 00:14:39,587 --> 00:14:42,048 Guess you could call him somethin' of a disciplinarian. 288 00:14:42,090 --> 00:14:45,093 [unsettling music playing] 289 00:14:47,137 --> 00:14:48,722 -Fair to say that he beat you? 290 00:14:48,763 --> 00:14:50,432 -[chuckles softly] 291 00:14:51,599 --> 00:14:52,976 John: Put it this way. 292 00:14:53,018 --> 00:14:55,562 Pop liked his drink, liked his sports, 293 00:14:55,603 --> 00:14:58,023 liked his son actin' like a man. 294 00:14:58,064 --> 00:15:01,443 But I liked gardening, baking with my ma. 295 00:15:01,484 --> 00:15:04,195 I was sickly. Couldn't throw a ball. 296 00:15:04,738 --> 00:15:07,240 And the things I liked... 297 00:15:07,282 --> 00:15:10,285 [unsettling music continues] 298 00:15:12,203 --> 00:15:14,748 Dr. Healy: You like wearing the panties? 299 00:15:14,789 --> 00:15:17,250 Maybe enjoyed dressing like a woman? 300 00:15:17,292 --> 00:15:20,587 -[groans] Hell no. 301 00:15:20,628 --> 00:15:22,088 God. No. 302 00:15:22,130 --> 00:15:23,590 The feel is all. 303 00:15:23,631 --> 00:15:25,467 I stole 'em for the feel. 304 00:15:27,427 --> 00:15:30,430 [unsettling music playing] 305 00:15:41,691 --> 00:15:45,195 Dr. Healy: You buried them? Under the house? 306 00:15:45,236 --> 00:15:47,697 Why not borrow the panties? 307 00:15:47,739 --> 00:15:49,574 Return them to the drawer? 308 00:15:49,616 --> 00:15:52,327 -There was no putting them back 309 00:15:53,078 --> 00:15:57,123 because I'd use them for, uh, for private sex. 310 00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:01,503 -"Private sex"? Masturbation? 311 00:16:02,337 --> 00:16:04,089 -Boys will be boys. 312 00:16:07,258 --> 00:16:10,095 This is your typical Oedipus complex. 313 00:16:11,763 --> 00:16:13,139 Jesus Christ. 314 00:16:13,181 --> 00:16:14,391 Let me explain it to you. 315 00:16:14,432 --> 00:16:16,643 It's an obsession with the mother. 316 00:16:16,685 --> 00:16:19,312 It's a competition with the father, yada yada. 317 00:16:19,354 --> 00:16:20,480 I know all about this stuff 318 00:16:20,522 --> 00:16:22,065 'cause I read lots of books in psychology. 319 00:16:22,107 --> 00:16:23,650 I could recommend some to you. 320 00:16:24,484 --> 00:16:26,361 -That's very kind. 321 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:30,365 -I can pretend to be a virgin if it's ruinin' your fun. 322 00:16:30,407 --> 00:16:32,450 Give you the feelin' you're poppin' my head cherry? 323 00:16:32,492 --> 00:16:34,327 -No need to pretend. 324 00:16:34,369 --> 00:16:37,706 It's good to talk to someone so knowledgeable. 325 00:16:40,083 --> 00:16:41,292 May I ask, John. 326 00:16:41,334 --> 00:16:44,254 Your mother caught you. Were you punished? 327 00:16:44,295 --> 00:16:45,547 [ominous music plays] 328 00:16:46,381 --> 00:16:47,507 -Yeah. 329 00:16:47,757 --> 00:16:48,800 And the old man never quit 330 00:16:48,842 --> 00:16:50,635 tryin' to beat the sissy out of me. 331 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:54,848 But I got older. Got tired of it. 332 00:16:54,889 --> 00:16:56,683 Always dealing with him. 333 00:16:56,725 --> 00:16:59,185 Like a different person when he was drinking. 334 00:16:59,436 --> 00:17:03,773 And this one night, he wrestled me to the ground. 335 00:17:04,733 --> 00:17:06,192 He was drunk. 336 00:17:06,234 --> 00:17:08,194 He was cursing at me, beating on me, 337 00:17:08,236 --> 00:17:09,779 but I managed to get on top of him 338 00:17:09,821 --> 00:17:12,657 and hold him down. All right? 339 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:13,992 And he was screaming at me. 340 00:17:14,034 --> 00:17:17,328 "Hit me!" He was saying, "Hit me! Come on. Hit me!" 341 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:19,581 Calling me a coward. "Hit me, you coward!" 342 00:17:19,622 --> 00:17:21,124 -Did you hit him? 343 00:17:25,503 --> 00:17:27,213 -I only held him down. 344 00:17:27,255 --> 00:17:29,382 Just held him there. 345 00:17:31,843 --> 00:17:34,846 [***] 346 00:17:35,388 --> 00:17:37,140 Told him, "I love you. 347 00:17:39,934 --> 00:17:42,103 I won't hit you. I love you." 348 00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:50,111 I took off that night. 349 00:17:51,154 --> 00:17:54,240 John: I figured if I left and made somethin' of myself, 350 00:17:54,282 --> 00:17:55,450 I'd come back 351 00:17:55,492 --> 00:17:57,619 and he'd have a reason to be proud of me. 352 00:17:57,660 --> 00:17:58,828 [dramatic music playing] 353 00:17:58,870 --> 00:18:00,872 I made my way to Sin City. 354 00:18:00,914 --> 00:18:02,582 It sounded so neat. 355 00:18:02,624 --> 00:18:04,626 [chuckles] -What was your plan? 356 00:18:04,668 --> 00:18:06,378 -Oh, I didn't have one. 357 00:18:06,836 --> 00:18:09,589 No. I just focused on trying to find work, 358 00:18:09,631 --> 00:18:12,425 and it was a lot harder than I figured. 359 00:18:12,467 --> 00:18:15,679 I tried banks, schools, casinos. 360 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,847 Nobody would hire me because I was underage. 361 00:18:17,889 --> 00:18:19,265 I almost tucked tail, turned around, 362 00:18:19,307 --> 00:18:22,560 went back home, but then, a miracle. 363 00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:24,187 [dramatic music playing] 364 00:18:24,229 --> 00:18:25,730 John: They were lookin' for a janitor. 365 00:18:26,064 --> 00:18:28,566 I met the mortician, Ben. 366 00:18:28,608 --> 00:18:30,610 He seemed real hesitant at first, 367 00:18:30,652 --> 00:18:32,320 but I told him that not everything in life 368 00:18:32,362 --> 00:18:33,905 is about a diploma. 369 00:18:33,947 --> 00:18:36,408 Sometimes it's about passion, and drive, 370 00:18:36,449 --> 00:18:37,659 and a way with people. 371 00:18:37,701 --> 00:18:39,786 I didn't need some fancy diploma. 372 00:18:39,828 --> 00:18:42,205 I had people skills. 373 00:18:42,247 --> 00:18:44,582 And he saw that. He hired me on the spot. 374 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:46,292 Janitor/night watchman. 375 00:18:46,334 --> 00:18:47,752 [dramatic music continues] 376 00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:49,671 Yeah, I was just a teenager movin' up in the world. 377 00:18:49,713 --> 00:18:52,465 I was so, so damn excited. 378 00:18:53,299 --> 00:18:57,303 [***] 379 00:19:00,223 --> 00:19:01,641 He even gave me a cot, 380 00:19:01,683 --> 00:19:03,852 let me sleep right next to where he did the embalming. 381 00:19:05,687 --> 00:19:06,896 So he believed in me. 382 00:19:06,938 --> 00:19:08,440 Understood I was a hard worker. 383 00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:10,692 I was working the night shift, 7:00 to 7:00. 384 00:19:11,443 --> 00:19:12,819 Also, 385 00:19:12,861 --> 00:19:16,865 I got a chance to learn some, watching him work. 386 00:19:17,198 --> 00:19:20,410 [dramatic music rises] 387 00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:25,457 [music ends] 388 00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:03,661 Dr. Healy: John? 389 00:20:05,455 --> 00:20:06,539 John? 390 00:20:08,291 --> 00:20:09,417 John? 391 00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:13,755 Everything okay? 392 00:20:17,592 --> 00:20:21,680 -Yeah. Yeah, just a nice memory. 393 00:20:31,106 --> 00:20:32,565 [indistinct chattering, laughing] 394 00:20:32,607 --> 00:20:34,818 -It was my grandfather's. Billy: Oh, that's nice. 395 00:20:34,859 --> 00:20:37,696 -You're gonna steal it? -[laughs] 396 00:20:39,072 --> 00:20:41,032 -You don't look like a thief. 397 00:20:41,074 --> 00:20:42,242 -Uh, okay. 398 00:20:42,283 --> 00:20:44,661 What does a-- What does a thief look like? 399 00:20:45,995 --> 00:20:49,708 -You dress well, and you're polite. 400 00:20:49,958 --> 00:20:51,543 -[laughs] Well, that-- Yeah, okay. 401 00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:53,294 Thank you. -[chuckles] 402 00:20:53,336 --> 00:20:55,046 -That's my mom. She's, uh, 403 00:20:55,088 --> 00:20:59,384 always on me about taking pride in my appearance. 404 00:20:59,843 --> 00:21:01,845 She taught me how to iron, how to crease my clothes. 405 00:21:01,886 --> 00:21:04,472 -Hmm. Where is she? 406 00:21:04,514 --> 00:21:07,350 -Uh, Ohio with my siblings. 407 00:21:08,018 --> 00:21:09,769 -How many are you? 408 00:21:10,478 --> 00:21:11,813 -Uh, five. 409 00:21:12,355 --> 00:21:14,816 And I'm the oldest, so, uh, 410 00:21:14,858 --> 00:21:16,651 you know, I kind of raised them. 411 00:21:16,985 --> 00:21:19,779 My, uh, my mom was always working. 412 00:21:20,363 --> 00:21:22,782 And so, uh, every day after school, 413 00:21:22,824 --> 00:21:24,492 I was alone with them when they were little, you know? 414 00:21:24,534 --> 00:21:25,952 So they'd always be tugging on me 415 00:21:25,994 --> 00:21:27,454 and asking me for stuff, 416 00:21:27,495 --> 00:21:30,957 like toys and candy and chips, whatever. 417 00:21:30,999 --> 00:21:34,127 And, and I felt bad 'cause I didn't have any money. 418 00:21:34,169 --> 00:21:38,089 So, so I started stealing the stuff they were asking for. 419 00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:42,344 I realized it was pretty easy. I was good at it. 420 00:21:44,888 --> 00:21:46,890 -You ever worry you'll get caught? 421 00:21:48,391 --> 00:21:50,060 -Yeah, I've been caught a few times. 422 00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:53,938 My mom made a point not to bail me out, 423 00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:55,732 but you learn from it. 424 00:21:55,982 --> 00:21:58,777 You figure out what to do to not get caught the next time. 425 00:21:59,194 --> 00:22:02,822 What matters is you make it home at the end of the night. 426 00:22:03,114 --> 00:22:06,409 [soft piano music playing] 427 00:22:06,451 --> 00:22:08,828 -I feel like you've lived so much. 428 00:22:10,622 --> 00:22:11,956 -We'll, you're a girl. 429 00:22:12,207 --> 00:22:15,669 When you're a girl, everybody helps you, 430 00:22:15,710 --> 00:22:17,545 get you back on track. 431 00:22:18,046 --> 00:22:21,132 If you're in trouble, people assume the best of you. 432 00:22:21,174 --> 00:22:24,928 If you're a guy, they assume the worst. 433 00:22:26,096 --> 00:22:29,599 Be told to man up, figure it out. 434 00:22:31,935 --> 00:22:33,812 -I've never thought of it like that. 435 00:22:34,896 --> 00:22:37,691 -It's okay. I figured it out. 436 00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:41,736 I got a place, I got nice clothes, I can eat. 437 00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:43,822 Take out a pretty girl. 438 00:22:48,618 --> 00:22:49,911 Okay. You ready? 439 00:22:51,955 --> 00:22:53,081 -For what? 440 00:22:54,082 --> 00:22:55,625 -It's time to dash. 441 00:22:58,545 --> 00:22:59,754 -No. 442 00:23:00,422 --> 00:23:02,215 -But now I'm kind of giving away the gambit, 443 00:23:02,257 --> 00:23:04,217 come on, we gotta go. -Right. 444 00:23:04,259 --> 00:23:05,468 [chuckles] 445 00:23:19,983 --> 00:23:21,526 -You didn't hold your tongue downtown, 446 00:23:21,568 --> 00:23:22,569 why are you doing it now? 447 00:23:23,945 --> 00:23:25,030 -It's nothing. 448 00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:26,781 -Stop lookin' at me like that. 449 00:23:30,618 --> 00:23:32,746 -I just didn't know you were such a kiss-ass is all. 450 00:23:32,787 --> 00:23:33,955 -Okay. 451 00:23:35,707 --> 00:23:38,001 CPD didn't kill those kids and neither did you. 452 00:23:38,043 --> 00:23:40,462 So put down your pitchfork and your cross 453 00:23:40,503 --> 00:23:41,796 and start flipping through the pages, 454 00:23:41,838 --> 00:23:43,590 you son of a bitch. -Why are you defending them? 455 00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:45,216 -It's a massive department. 456 00:23:45,258 --> 00:23:47,677 This was not on purpose. It wasn't malicious. 457 00:23:47,719 --> 00:23:49,095 Gacy fell through the cracks. 458 00:23:49,137 --> 00:23:51,181 -Timmons said it himself. You heard him. 459 00:23:51,598 --> 00:23:53,933 He told us that we're gonna go through all these files, 460 00:23:53,975 --> 00:23:55,560 and we're gonna see that all these kids were troubled. 461 00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:57,520 -[chuckles] Yeah, they're troubled. 462 00:23:57,562 --> 00:24:00,774 Drugs, runaways, gangs, delinquents. 463 00:24:00,815 --> 00:24:02,108 Timmons was right. -Exactly. 464 00:24:02,150 --> 00:24:04,819 That's my fucking point. -Finally, a fucking point. 465 00:24:04,861 --> 00:24:08,490 -All right. Police Area 73 doesn't communicate 466 00:24:08,531 --> 00:24:10,867 with Police Area 773, fine. 467 00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:12,369 But how about this? 468 00:24:12,410 --> 00:24:14,662 How many pages are in each of those files, give or take? 469 00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:18,500 -I don't know. Couple. 470 00:24:18,541 --> 00:24:20,001 -That's what I'm saying. 471 00:24:20,377 --> 00:24:22,504 There's fucking nothing in here. 472 00:24:23,129 --> 00:24:28,009 Two pages. Two pages. Three pages. 473 00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:32,639 Most of these are just the initial missing persons report. 474 00:24:32,681 --> 00:24:33,848 There's no field interviews, 475 00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:35,100 there's no contact with the person 476 00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:36,142 that reported them missing. 477 00:24:36,184 --> 00:24:37,310 Chicago didn't follow up. 478 00:24:37,352 --> 00:24:38,520 This? 479 00:24:39,145 --> 00:24:41,523 You would really not have to give a fuck 480 00:24:41,564 --> 00:24:43,024 to wind up with one page. 481 00:24:45,902 --> 00:24:47,612 But you don't get it. 482 00:24:47,654 --> 00:24:49,072 And it's not your fault that you don't get it. 483 00:24:49,114 --> 00:24:50,699 You're not in the muck. 484 00:24:51,366 --> 00:24:53,118 You didn't have Marko Butkovich's spit 485 00:24:53,159 --> 00:24:55,578 all over your face, all right? 486 00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:56,996 -You're making this personal. 487 00:24:57,038 --> 00:24:58,623 -Well, fuck yeah, I am. 488 00:24:59,708 --> 00:25:01,084 And that's not my fault. 489 00:25:01,126 --> 00:25:02,043 [knocking on door] 490 00:25:02,085 --> 00:25:03,211 rookie cop: Sorry. 491 00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:05,005 -What? 492 00:25:05,046 --> 00:25:06,131 -Body we ID'd? 493 00:25:06,172 --> 00:25:09,009 Godzik? Mom's here. 494 00:25:09,050 --> 00:25:11,720 Wants to talk to somebody. 495 00:25:12,721 --> 00:25:15,598 She's got her kid's dental records and teeth. 496 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:19,227 Lt. Kozenczak: I can go do this. 497 00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:22,814 Det. Tovar: No. It's not your job. 498 00:25:23,273 --> 00:25:26,276 [sorrowful music playing] 499 00:25:40,874 --> 00:25:43,877 [inaudible] 500 00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:10,820 -Now, when you came home, how did-- 501 00:26:16,326 --> 00:26:18,244 Excuse me for a moment. 502 00:26:24,334 --> 00:26:28,129 Sorry. I know I have another pen somewhere. 503 00:26:33,009 --> 00:26:35,011 Yes. Vegas. 504 00:26:35,512 --> 00:26:38,765 How did your family react when you came home? 505 00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:42,018 -This is a mess. 506 00:26:46,856 --> 00:26:49,401 -Is it bothering you? 507 00:26:49,442 --> 00:26:52,362 -Better question is, why isn't it bothering you? 508 00:26:53,780 --> 00:26:55,240 If cleanliness is godliness, 509 00:26:55,281 --> 00:26:57,242 you're a goddamn heathen, aren't you? 510 00:26:58,284 --> 00:26:59,744 -[chuckles] 511 00:27:01,371 --> 00:27:02,956 [ominous music playing] 512 00:27:02,997 --> 00:27:04,874 -You're not gonna tidy up? 513 00:27:06,084 --> 00:27:07,335 Clean it. 514 00:27:09,087 --> 00:27:10,296 [music rises] 515 00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:11,423 [yells] Clean it! 516 00:27:11,756 --> 00:27:14,968 [ominous music playing] 517 00:27:22,225 --> 00:27:25,228 [ominous music continues] 518 00:27:35,155 --> 00:27:36,448 The jacket. 519 00:27:39,242 --> 00:27:40,410 [music fades] 520 00:27:40,452 --> 00:27:41,786 [sighs] 521 00:27:48,376 --> 00:27:50,086 Ma forgave me. 522 00:27:50,337 --> 00:27:54,049 And Pop felt it was time to move out, find a girl. 523 00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:55,342 And he wasn't wrong. 524 00:27:56,259 --> 00:27:58,803 I wanted to show him that I could do okay for myself 525 00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:00,221 on my own. 526 00:28:00,263 --> 00:28:02,932 I found a job at a men's clothing store not too far, 527 00:28:02,974 --> 00:28:04,225 in Springfield. 528 00:28:05,018 --> 00:28:07,354 And that's where I met my first wife. 529 00:28:07,395 --> 00:28:10,398 [dramatic music playing] 530 00:28:11,441 --> 00:28:13,193 [John speaking indistinct] 531 00:28:18,406 --> 00:28:21,159 John: Had such a nice, warm feeling with Marlynn. 532 00:28:21,785 --> 00:28:24,579 I always wanted to be a father, a family man, 533 00:28:24,621 --> 00:28:26,122 and I finally was. 534 00:28:27,457 --> 00:28:29,793 [indistinct] 535 00:28:32,087 --> 00:28:33,296 I loved the kids. 536 00:28:33,338 --> 00:28:35,090 It's hard being away from them. 537 00:28:35,131 --> 00:28:37,926 -You, you were away often? -Oh. 538 00:28:37,967 --> 00:28:41,221 Well, my father-in-law put me in charge of his restaurants. 539 00:28:42,138 --> 00:28:45,141 Dr. Healy: So he clearly liked you, respected you? 540 00:28:45,183 --> 00:28:47,268 John: No, I don't know about that. 541 00:28:47,310 --> 00:28:49,854 I think he just wanted what was best for his little girl. 542 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,274 -Was your father-in-law difficult to impress? 543 00:28:53,316 --> 00:28:56,861 -He was demanding. He didn't approve of me easy. 544 00:28:57,445 --> 00:29:00,365 -So you inherited another father figure 545 00:29:00,407 --> 00:29:02,242 whose approval you couldn't earn? 546 00:29:02,283 --> 00:29:04,411 -[laughs] No, no. 547 00:29:04,452 --> 00:29:06,496 No, my father-in-law was tough on me, 548 00:29:06,538 --> 00:29:07,956 but, uh-- 549 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:11,501 Shit. 550 00:29:12,877 --> 00:29:14,212 You're real good. 551 00:29:17,048 --> 00:29:19,175 Well, whatever it was with him, 552 00:29:19,217 --> 00:29:20,343 it helped with my dad. 553 00:29:22,512 --> 00:29:24,639 'Cause Ma told him how well I was doin' 554 00:29:24,681 --> 00:29:27,225 and he just had to come see it for himself. 555 00:29:27,267 --> 00:29:31,271 [***] 556 00:29:50,165 --> 00:29:52,292 He was proud of me that day. 557 00:29:52,625 --> 00:29:54,336 I know he was. 558 00:29:54,669 --> 00:29:56,212 Because he told me so. 559 00:29:56,254 --> 00:29:58,381 We were sitting there splittin' a bucket of biscuits 560 00:29:58,423 --> 00:30:00,383 and he looked me dead in the eye, 561 00:30:00,425 --> 00:30:03,470 and he says, "I was wrong about you, John. 562 00:30:03,511 --> 00:30:05,305 Good wife, good kids, good job. 563 00:30:05,347 --> 00:30:09,267 You done good." Just like that. 564 00:30:10,226 --> 00:30:11,644 [inaudible] 565 00:30:11,686 --> 00:30:13,396 "You done good." 566 00:30:14,606 --> 00:30:15,690 [music playing on radio] 567 00:30:15,732 --> 00:30:17,525 John: Was on top of the world. 568 00:30:17,817 --> 00:30:20,528 Around that time is when I got hooked up with the Jaycees. 569 00:30:22,489 --> 00:30:26,910 singer: * Loneliness and sorrow * 570 00:30:27,118 --> 00:30:28,244 -The social club? 571 00:30:28,286 --> 00:30:31,373 -Social club? Jaycees is about politics. 572 00:30:31,414 --> 00:30:34,709 Means for young men to get into a network of professionals. 573 00:30:34,751 --> 00:30:37,045 You wind up meetin' important people, 574 00:30:37,087 --> 00:30:38,922 organizin' charitable events together. 575 00:30:38,963 --> 00:30:40,548 -You have a love for politics. 576 00:30:40,590 --> 00:30:42,384 -Politics is about power. 577 00:30:42,425 --> 00:30:44,386 Power depends on consent. 578 00:30:44,427 --> 00:30:45,595 That's a quote from 579 00:30:45,637 --> 00:30:48,223 "Main Currents in Modern Political Thought." 580 00:30:48,932 --> 00:30:52,519 Lotta folks don't know that's all politics is. 581 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,563 The feelin' of bein' important, that people trust you. 582 00:30:55,772 --> 00:30:57,607 -And you like power. 583 00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:00,110 -Don't you? 584 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:04,698 You sittin' there, 585 00:31:05,365 --> 00:31:07,617 jottin' whatever you're jottin'. 586 00:31:10,036 --> 00:31:12,163 Judgin' me when you don't even know me? 587 00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:18,503 At one point, the head of our chapter, 588 00:31:18,545 --> 00:31:21,131 he asked me personally for my help recruitin' new members. 589 00:31:21,172 --> 00:31:22,632 That's how much they trusted me. 590 00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:27,303 After a while, I got this notion to start showin' films 591 00:31:27,345 --> 00:31:29,264 after our meetings to draw interest. 592 00:31:29,305 --> 00:31:33,268 [indistinct chattering, laughing] 593 00:31:45,238 --> 00:31:48,450 all: Whoa! 594 00:31:49,284 --> 00:31:50,285 man 1: Let's go! 595 00:31:50,827 --> 00:31:51,786 man 2: Yeah! 596 00:31:51,828 --> 00:31:54,164 all: Woo-hoo! 597 00:31:54,205 --> 00:31:55,665 [clapping, cheering] 598 00:31:55,707 --> 00:31:57,584 John: Membership tripled. 599 00:31:58,126 --> 00:32:00,003 [laughs] 600 00:32:00,795 --> 00:32:02,297 You like stag films? 601 00:32:02,339 --> 00:32:04,049 -Never seen one. 602 00:32:04,090 --> 00:32:05,759 -[laughs] Oh, my God. 603 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,135 Yeah? 604 00:32:08,178 --> 00:32:10,096 Okay. Uh-huh. 605 00:32:10,138 --> 00:32:12,182 You can't bullshit a bullshitter. 606 00:32:15,769 --> 00:32:19,314 Anyway, everybody agreed there was no harm in it, 607 00:32:19,356 --> 00:32:21,149 and it kind of snowballed, 608 00:32:21,191 --> 00:32:23,443 and this idea of wife swapping came up. 609 00:32:23,818 --> 00:32:25,653 Even got Marlynn into it. 610 00:32:25,695 --> 00:32:27,238 And all of a sudden, 611 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,324 I could fuck whoever I wanted. 612 00:32:29,866 --> 00:32:31,659 Even other men's wives. 613 00:32:31,701 --> 00:32:34,329 That's just how powerful I was. 614 00:32:34,371 --> 00:32:37,290 Plus, I had good standin' in the community, 615 00:32:37,332 --> 00:32:39,334 so I thought I might as well 616 00:32:39,376 --> 00:32:41,628 run for president of the Waterloo Jaycees. 617 00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:44,673 [***] 618 00:32:45,507 --> 00:32:47,801 And that's how I met Don Vorhees. 619 00:32:48,343 --> 00:32:50,303 Local politician. 620 00:32:50,345 --> 00:32:53,056 Offered to be my campaign manager. 621 00:32:53,098 --> 00:32:56,059 [soft music playing] 622 00:32:56,101 --> 00:32:59,104 [indistinct chattering] 623 00:33:00,397 --> 00:33:01,773 [inaudible] 624 00:33:01,815 --> 00:33:04,317 Met him and his son. 625 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:07,362 [ominous instrumental music playing] 626 00:33:19,874 --> 00:33:22,335 One day I was drivin', right? 627 00:33:22,377 --> 00:33:23,545 Just goin' about my day. 628 00:33:23,586 --> 00:33:26,381 I saw his son, Don Jr., hitchhikin'. 629 00:33:26,423 --> 00:33:27,799 I give him a ride. 630 00:33:28,174 --> 00:33:30,135 Pickin' him up that day. 631 00:33:30,635 --> 00:33:34,222 Probably the worst mistake of my life. 632 00:33:34,264 --> 00:33:36,850 Marlynn was out of town visiting her mother at the time 633 00:33:36,891 --> 00:33:41,271 and Don Sr. was a nice guy, I thought. 634 00:33:41,521 --> 00:33:44,107 So I assumed that his son was a nice kid. 635 00:33:46,317 --> 00:33:48,278 I was dumb and stupid. 636 00:33:52,574 --> 00:33:54,451 Pop always said that to me, 637 00:33:54,492 --> 00:33:56,661 that I shouldn't be so dumb and stupid. 638 00:33:56,703 --> 00:33:59,247 "Don't be so dumb and stupid, John Wayne." 639 00:34:00,832 --> 00:34:02,334 I should have listened. 640 00:34:02,375 --> 00:34:05,378 [ominous music playing] 641 00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:27,317 [inaudible] 642 00:34:29,486 --> 00:34:31,821 [***] 643 00:34:33,782 --> 00:34:35,742 Because I'm gullible like that. 644 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,329 That's my fault. I just, I, I trust too easy. 645 00:34:39,662 --> 00:34:42,832 -You feel this boy took advantage of your good nature? 646 00:34:42,874 --> 00:34:44,876 -Kid ruined my life. 647 00:34:44,918 --> 00:34:47,962 Just when things were going perfect with my family, my pops. 648 00:34:48,004 --> 00:34:51,341 And for what? He wanted it, I wanted it. 649 00:34:51,383 --> 00:34:53,927 -Are you saying it was a consensual relationship? 650 00:34:53,968 --> 00:34:56,304 -Damn right it was. -He was a teenager. 651 00:34:56,346 --> 00:34:57,847 You were a man. 652 00:34:58,682 --> 00:35:01,768 -Okay. See, you don't understand. 653 00:35:01,810 --> 00:35:03,311 You don't understand at all. 654 00:35:03,353 --> 00:35:04,813 He and I had an agreement. 655 00:35:04,854 --> 00:35:06,648 I didn't force him to do anything. 656 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:09,317 He asked for money and I paid him. 657 00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:10,985 Then he wanted more. 658 00:35:11,027 --> 00:35:13,655 I says no, he starts talking about telling his father, 659 00:35:13,697 --> 00:35:14,698 and that is blackmail. 660 00:35:14,739 --> 00:35:16,825 Pure and simple, that is blackmail. 661 00:35:17,075 --> 00:35:19,828 And this is a fairy trait too, you know. 662 00:35:20,036 --> 00:35:22,539 Lyin', flippin', changing their word. 663 00:35:22,580 --> 00:35:24,624 One moment this is okay, the next it isn't. 664 00:35:24,666 --> 00:35:27,293 Or there isn't enough money anymore. They're liars. 665 00:35:27,335 --> 00:35:30,213 -You speak with great disdain for fairies. 666 00:35:30,255 --> 00:35:31,923 You hate them. Why? 667 00:35:31,965 --> 00:35:33,425 -They're weak. 668 00:35:33,466 --> 00:35:36,553 -You feel as though you're a different kind of homosexual? 669 00:35:39,723 --> 00:35:42,225 -You've been listenin' to a word that I've said? 670 00:35:42,851 --> 00:35:44,436 I'm not a homosexual. 671 00:35:44,686 --> 00:35:47,814 -Sorry, it's only that you're telling me you seek out men. 672 00:35:47,856 --> 00:35:49,232 -I'm not a fuckin' fairy. 673 00:35:49,274 --> 00:35:51,693 -But you spend money to have sex with them. 674 00:35:51,735 --> 00:35:54,571 -[bangs table] Christ's sake! This is ridiculous. 675 00:35:55,572 --> 00:35:57,240 You are not listenin'. 676 00:35:57,782 --> 00:35:59,743 How can you get an accurate account of my mind 677 00:35:59,784 --> 00:36:02,412 when you're not listenin' to a thing that I'm tellin' you? 678 00:36:02,454 --> 00:36:03,788 This is sloppy. 679 00:36:04,205 --> 00:36:05,540 I'm gonna get on Sam about this. 680 00:36:05,582 --> 00:36:06,916 You're a woman for cryin' out loud. 681 00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:08,418 You can't understand how complicated 682 00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:10,253 gettin' off can be for a guy. 683 00:36:10,962 --> 00:36:13,715 They need a boy psychiatrist, a male psychiatrist in here. 684 00:36:13,757 --> 00:36:15,925 -I apologize. I was wrong. 685 00:36:16,468 --> 00:36:18,595 Wrong to assume you're homosexual. 686 00:36:18,636 --> 00:36:21,681 That's-- That it's not what you said to me. 687 00:36:26,311 --> 00:36:27,604 -[exhales sharply] 688 00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:29,939 I'm not mad. 689 00:36:31,983 --> 00:36:33,818 I'm not mad at you, Deb. 690 00:36:33,860 --> 00:36:35,653 I'm sorry I lost it a bit. 691 00:36:36,321 --> 00:36:37,572 I'm trying to tell you, you don't-- 692 00:36:37,614 --> 00:36:39,449 You don't seem to understand me. 693 00:36:40,825 --> 00:36:42,035 And everybody's getting this wrong. 694 00:36:42,077 --> 00:36:43,578 Everyone's getting me wrong. 695 00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:45,622 -That's frustrating. -It is. 696 00:36:45,663 --> 00:36:47,332 And the thing is, 697 00:36:47,374 --> 00:36:49,626 I'm not the monster image that's being portrayed in the papers. 698 00:36:49,668 --> 00:36:51,002 There's no truth to it. 699 00:36:51,628 --> 00:36:54,422 I was the one taken advantage of. 700 00:36:54,631 --> 00:36:57,759 And that's what all the lawyers and the cops are missing. 701 00:36:57,801 --> 00:37:01,721 Everyone's got this tunnel vision for these guys 702 00:37:01,763 --> 00:37:03,973 that I was dealing with, labeling them "victims" 703 00:37:04,015 --> 00:37:06,351 like they were altar boys or something. 704 00:37:06,393 --> 00:37:07,977 The focus has all been on them. 705 00:37:08,019 --> 00:37:09,521 -But what was done to you? 706 00:37:09,562 --> 00:37:13,066 -Exactly. Exactly. 707 00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:15,318 And what I don't understand is, 708 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,779 why are you the first person to ask me that, Deb? 709 00:37:19,989 --> 00:37:23,618 "Oh, oh, please don't help Mr. Gacy. 710 00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:26,788 He's been blowing and jerking and molesting me." 711 00:37:28,998 --> 00:37:31,042 The court was a joke. 712 00:37:31,084 --> 00:37:33,378 Do you know that when the sentencing report 713 00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:35,046 came back from Iowa State Hospital, 714 00:37:35,088 --> 00:37:37,757 they recommended that I be given probation? 715 00:37:38,758 --> 00:37:40,093 Probation. 716 00:37:40,135 --> 00:37:42,345 Was never supposed to go to prison. 717 00:37:42,804 --> 00:37:45,015 Then they sentence me to ten years. 718 00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:48,810 You know, 719 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,105 I don't even think my pops was surprised. 720 00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:55,567 It was like he expected it. 721 00:37:58,028 --> 00:38:00,947 Said something about how he had to work twice as hard now, 722 00:38:01,656 --> 00:38:04,075 to wipe out the blot on his good name. 723 00:38:09,456 --> 00:38:11,041 I was the blot. 724 00:38:18,381 --> 00:38:21,217 [indistinct chattering] 725 00:38:24,846 --> 00:38:26,848 Det. Fanholm: Nice of you to join us. 726 00:38:28,016 --> 00:38:29,392 -All right. Let's go. 727 00:38:29,434 --> 00:38:31,394 Let's make the most out of the last hours of the day. 728 00:38:32,479 --> 00:38:33,480 I'll help. 729 00:38:35,523 --> 00:38:38,735 [plane flying overhead] 730 00:38:41,988 --> 00:38:45,033 -It wasn't a jab. I'd take any excuse not to be here. 731 00:38:46,993 --> 00:38:49,871 -Yeah, believe it or not, I'd rather been here instead. 732 00:38:49,913 --> 00:38:51,331 -Yeah, pretty easy day, really. 733 00:38:51,373 --> 00:38:52,874 One kid still had his shoes on, 734 00:38:52,916 --> 00:38:54,959 so he didn't spill any bones anywhere. 735 00:39:03,009 --> 00:39:04,427 -How was your Christmas? 736 00:39:07,889 --> 00:39:10,100 -Got a couple of Dandyburgers. 737 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,268 Got a little drunk. 738 00:39:13,603 --> 00:39:15,313 Passed a lot out. 739 00:39:15,355 --> 00:39:17,023 How about yourself? 740 00:39:21,152 --> 00:39:23,029 -I wasn't my best. 741 00:39:24,906 --> 00:39:25,990 -Yeah? 742 00:39:28,451 --> 00:39:30,453 -I couldn't really talk much 743 00:39:32,330 --> 00:39:34,082 and they all noticed. 744 00:39:36,126 --> 00:39:40,380 [birds chirping in distance] 745 00:39:40,422 --> 00:39:43,133 -Growing up, all I wanted was to push a black and white, 746 00:39:43,174 --> 00:39:45,969 catch bad guys, you know, like in the movies. 747 00:39:46,302 --> 00:39:48,013 [chuckles] 748 00:39:48,054 --> 00:39:51,141 -Yeah. How's that working out for you? 749 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,561 -I'm digging fucking bodies up out of a floor. 750 00:39:59,149 --> 00:40:00,984 -So pretty fucking good, huh? 751 00:40:04,487 --> 00:40:07,991 -Yeah. Pretty fucking good. 752 00:40:16,291 --> 00:40:18,293 [exhales deeply] 753 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,142 Dr. Healy: I imagine prison was 754 00:40:34,184 --> 00:40:37,354 quite a shocking experience for you, 755 00:40:37,395 --> 00:40:40,065 given that you'd never have been in legal trouble before. 756 00:40:41,232 --> 00:40:42,567 -I was terrified. 757 00:40:43,151 --> 00:40:45,236 Worried someone was gonna rape me. 758 00:40:45,528 --> 00:40:48,531 But I did everything I could to make the best of a bad situation 759 00:40:48,573 --> 00:40:51,034 and restore honor to my dad's name. 760 00:40:51,576 --> 00:40:56,247 After a while, things ended up being fine. 761 00:40:56,289 --> 00:40:58,500 There's this, this one older fella 762 00:40:59,376 --> 00:41:01,211 a few cells down from me. 763 00:41:01,544 --> 00:41:03,380 He's a real talented painter. 764 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,926 I'm better than him but, he was still good. 765 00:41:07,967 --> 00:41:10,095 And I asked him if he would paint 766 00:41:10,136 --> 00:41:13,098 my father's portrait from a photo that I'd brought in. 767 00:41:13,765 --> 00:41:15,392 I wanted to gift it to him. 768 00:41:18,436 --> 00:41:21,356 He took his sweet-ass time. 769 00:41:21,398 --> 00:41:24,484 Had to keep on him. Fucking artist. 770 00:41:25,402 --> 00:41:27,404 Took him three months to finish. 771 00:41:27,654 --> 00:41:30,365 My old man died before I could give it to him. 772 00:41:31,574 --> 00:41:33,910 Christmas Day, '69. 773 00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:39,374 -How'd you feel when you found out he passed? 774 00:41:41,584 --> 00:41:45,505 -Like I killed him. The shame of it killed him. 775 00:41:45,922 --> 00:41:48,508 -His death profoundly affected you. 776 00:41:50,385 --> 00:41:52,095 -He was my dad. 777 00:41:52,554 --> 00:41:54,556 -How did you deal with it? 778 00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:59,060 -What? I'm not sure. 779 00:41:59,102 --> 00:42:03,356 Uh, I mean, that's life? 780 00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:05,608 Shit happens? 781 00:42:08,570 --> 00:42:11,322 I got let out a little while later. Paroled. 782 00:42:11,573 --> 00:42:13,491 -Early. Remarkably early. 783 00:42:13,533 --> 00:42:15,243 -Yeah. They knew I didn't belong there. 784 00:42:15,285 --> 00:42:16,703 Was a model inmate. 785 00:42:16,745 --> 00:42:19,039 They studied me like you're doing now. 786 00:42:19,372 --> 00:42:21,374 Doctors, parole board. 787 00:42:22,167 --> 00:42:24,586 They found me to be a near-perfect case 788 00:42:24,627 --> 00:42:26,254 of rehabilitation. 789 00:42:26,296 --> 00:42:28,256 Figured I benefited society. 790 00:42:28,298 --> 00:42:30,550 Let me out after 18 months. 791 00:42:30,967 --> 00:42:35,138 And that says everything you need to know right there. 792 00:42:35,722 --> 00:42:38,725 [***] 793 00:42:41,644 --> 00:42:43,355 John: I just wish I could've made him proud of me 794 00:42:43,396 --> 00:42:44,522 one more time. 795 00:42:46,524 --> 00:42:49,527 [birds chirping in distance] 796 00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:01,122 Never saw Marlynn or my kids after that. 797 00:43:02,123 --> 00:43:03,792 -Why? -She took them. 798 00:43:03,833 --> 00:43:05,168 Nothing I could do. 799 00:43:05,752 --> 00:43:08,296 -It's fairly commonplace in a divorce, 800 00:43:08,338 --> 00:43:10,423 fathers work something out, 801 00:43:10,465 --> 00:43:14,010 arrange to see their kids on holidays, what have you. 802 00:43:14,386 --> 00:43:17,514 Even incarcerated people still see their children. 803 00:43:17,847 --> 00:43:20,141 Did Marlynn prevent you from seeing them 804 00:43:20,183 --> 00:43:21,351 or did you stay away? 805 00:43:21,601 --> 00:43:23,728 -Uh, it just boils down to she took them from me. 806 00:43:23,770 --> 00:43:27,065 -I only ask because you were so invested in being a father. 807 00:43:27,691 --> 00:43:28,858 -I don't understand. 808 00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:31,486 -Just go back to that time, in your mind, 809 00:43:31,528 --> 00:43:34,155 to how you felt when you were released. 810 00:43:34,197 --> 00:43:36,533 I mean, your kids were quite young. 811 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,078 You'd only been away a year and a half. 812 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,663 You didn't reach out. Why? 813 00:43:41,705 --> 00:43:43,081 -See, you're going in circles now. 814 00:43:43,123 --> 00:43:45,250 -Did some part of you feel relieved they were gone? 815 00:43:45,291 --> 00:43:46,501 -Okay. We're not going into that. 816 00:43:46,543 --> 00:43:48,169 -Knowing you had this proclivity for young men, 817 00:43:48,211 --> 00:43:49,546 did you feel it was for the best? 818 00:43:49,587 --> 00:43:51,381 -No, we're not going into it. 819 00:43:51,881 --> 00:43:53,174 I was a family man. 820 00:43:53,216 --> 00:43:54,342 A happily married one. I just-- 821 00:43:54,384 --> 00:43:55,719 I couldn't have the kids. 822 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,512 I was supposed to stay near my mother. 823 00:43:57,554 --> 00:43:58,722 My mother. 824 00:43:58,763 --> 00:44:00,432 That's what the parole recommendation was, 825 00:44:00,473 --> 00:44:01,474 so that's what I did. 826 00:44:01,516 --> 00:44:03,226 I did what I was told. 827 00:44:03,768 --> 00:44:06,354 Now, I could tell you about that part if you want 828 00:44:06,396 --> 00:44:07,522 but you have to stop it with this. 829 00:44:07,564 --> 00:44:09,149 You gotta knock it off. 830 00:44:13,403 --> 00:44:15,405 -It's right around this time, 831 00:44:15,447 --> 00:44:17,240 by your own admission, 832 00:44:17,824 --> 00:44:20,368 that you murdered the first young man. 833 00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:21,745 -Self-defense. 834 00:44:22,704 --> 00:44:24,289 -Will you tell me about it? 835 00:44:26,499 --> 00:44:28,710 -Greyhound Bus Boy. 836 00:44:28,752 --> 00:44:30,628 -Is that what you call him? 837 00:44:31,755 --> 00:44:33,840 Did this boy have a name? 838 00:44:38,511 --> 00:44:42,557 -He must have. I'm sure he did. 839 00:44:50,523 --> 00:44:52,359 -Pervasive narcissism. 840 00:44:53,151 --> 00:44:56,529 Personality disorder with obsessive-compulsive, 841 00:44:56,571 --> 00:44:59,449 antisocial and hypomanic qualities. 842 00:44:59,657 --> 00:45:02,535 All compounded by alcohol and drugs. 843 00:45:02,577 --> 00:45:04,829 Grandiose sense of self-importance. 844 00:45:04,871 --> 00:45:07,874 Possibly borderline psychopathic personality 845 00:45:07,916 --> 00:45:10,835 with episodes of paranoid schizophrenia. 846 00:45:10,877 --> 00:45:12,754 Psycho-sexual conflicts, 847 00:45:12,796 --> 00:45:15,799 a pronounced feeling of masculine inadequacy, 848 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,592 an alarming lack of empathy, 849 00:45:17,634 --> 00:45:19,260 ego disintegration, 850 00:45:19,302 --> 00:45:22,514 expressions of very hostile, dangerous impulses. 851 00:45:27,936 --> 00:45:32,148 -So? He's crazy, right? [chuckles] 852 00:45:32,816 --> 00:45:34,526 -I've never seen anything like it. 853 00:45:35,276 --> 00:45:36,319 Like him. 854 00:45:36,653 --> 00:45:38,321 I hope to never again. 855 00:45:42,617 --> 00:45:44,619 -[inhales deeply] 856 00:45:47,497 --> 00:45:49,165 Was there anything in what he told you 857 00:45:49,207 --> 00:45:53,169 that could explain why he did this? 858 00:45:53,211 --> 00:45:55,463 -Did he say why? No. 859 00:45:55,505 --> 00:45:57,799 But, uh, I think he was killing off 860 00:45:57,841 --> 00:46:00,510 bits and pieces of himself that he hated, 861 00:46:00,552 --> 00:46:02,470 that his father hated. 862 00:46:02,512 --> 00:46:05,181 Specifically, his homosexuality. 863 00:46:05,515 --> 00:46:07,642 -We have to prove Gacy has a condition. 864 00:46:07,684 --> 00:46:09,728 Loses control, loses his grip on reality, 865 00:46:09,769 --> 00:46:13,189 prevents him from understanding what he's doing is illegal. 866 00:46:13,231 --> 00:46:15,525 Does this evaluation support that? 867 00:46:17,861 --> 00:46:20,947 -When you consider his various delusions, 868 00:46:20,989 --> 00:46:22,365 psychotic episodes, 869 00:46:22,407 --> 00:46:26,578 his complete lack of emotional control under duress, 870 00:46:27,537 --> 00:46:29,497 I'd say it's entirely possible. 871 00:46:29,706 --> 00:46:31,332 -And you'll testify to that? 872 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,715 -[inhales deeply] I moved up my flight. 873 00:46:38,757 --> 00:46:40,675 Headed back this evening. Sam: Great. [groans] 874 00:46:40,717 --> 00:46:42,844 -Obviously, I'll file my findings. 875 00:46:42,886 --> 00:46:45,680 Make myself available as you need me. 876 00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:49,225 O'Hare has a bar, right? 877 00:46:49,726 --> 00:46:51,603 -Gate 38. -[Bob scoffs] 878 00:46:51,644 --> 00:46:52,687 -Great. 879 00:46:54,356 --> 00:46:56,232 -Take care. -You too. 880 00:47:05,742 --> 00:47:06,826 -We are going with this. 881 00:47:06,868 --> 00:47:09,662 Every interview, every piece of press 882 00:47:09,704 --> 00:47:11,039 that mentions John Wayne Gacy 883 00:47:11,081 --> 00:47:13,541 has got to include the word psychotic. 884 00:47:13,583 --> 00:47:15,377 We drive home how unstable he is. 885 00:47:15,418 --> 00:47:17,587 -John Gacy, face of insanity. 886 00:47:17,629 --> 00:47:19,255 That's how we win. 887 00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:22,342 [depressing music playing] 888 00:47:22,384 --> 00:47:23,760 -[sniffles] 889 00:47:24,135 --> 00:47:27,597 Is it a win if we win? 890 00:47:30,725 --> 00:47:31,685 -[sighs] 891 00:47:31,726 --> 00:47:34,813 [people chattering indistinctly] 892 00:47:57,002 --> 00:47:58,628 Eugenia: Excuse me. 893 00:48:00,505 --> 00:48:02,424 You're Elizabeth Piest. 894 00:48:03,591 --> 00:48:05,427 -Yes? -I saw you on TV. 895 00:48:05,468 --> 00:48:06,803 Robert's mother? 896 00:48:07,554 --> 00:48:10,056 I'm Eugenia Godzik, 897 00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:12,726 Greg's mother. 898 00:48:18,356 --> 00:48:19,691 I-- Uh, 899 00:48:21,776 --> 00:48:23,445 I needed to see it. 900 00:48:24,112 --> 00:48:26,072 Doesn't seem real. -Hmm. 901 00:48:26,489 --> 00:48:29,993 -The whole time, he was in there, 902 00:48:30,827 --> 00:48:32,579 twenty minutes away 903 00:48:33,788 --> 00:48:37,000 every day for two years. -Hmm. 904 00:48:39,377 --> 00:48:40,879 -Can you make sense of it? 905 00:48:44,591 --> 00:48:46,468 -I went looking for Rob 906 00:48:47,761 --> 00:48:49,804 down by the river the other day. 907 00:48:50,764 --> 00:48:52,807 That's where he... 908 00:48:55,143 --> 00:48:57,979 threw him into the river. 909 00:49:00,690 --> 00:49:03,068 I don't know why I thought I'd find Rob, 910 00:49:04,527 --> 00:49:07,113 but it was frozen. 911 00:49:08,782 --> 00:49:11,701 I have to wait till spring to find my boy. 912 00:49:13,995 --> 00:49:14,996 -[exhales sharply] 913 00:49:15,038 --> 00:49:18,375 The kind of-- How a man-- 914 00:49:19,042 --> 00:49:21,586 The kind of evil that man is. 915 00:49:24,881 --> 00:49:27,050 I spoke to him. 916 00:49:27,092 --> 00:49:28,718 -To Gacy? 917 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,553 -Begged him for help. 918 00:49:31,054 --> 00:49:33,765 He was Greg's boss at the time. 919 00:49:33,807 --> 00:49:36,101 -[inhales deeply] [exhales sharply] 920 00:49:36,142 --> 00:49:38,895 -I called to ask him if he'd seen my son 921 00:49:40,063 --> 00:49:41,940 and he told me Greg had left a message 922 00:49:41,981 --> 00:49:43,149 on his answering machine 923 00:49:43,191 --> 00:49:46,194 days after I had reported him missing, 924 00:49:46,236 --> 00:49:48,405 that he was probably fine. 925 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,992 When I asked him to play the message for me, 926 00:49:55,954 --> 00:49:57,872 he said he'd erased it. 927 00:49:59,582 --> 00:50:01,543 -That's... [breathes shakily] -Cruel. 928 00:50:03,169 --> 00:50:08,174 [people chattering indistinctly] 929 00:50:11,678 --> 00:50:17,142 My husband and I called Chicago Police so often. 930 00:50:17,183 --> 00:50:18,852 Kept telling me to trust them. 931 00:50:18,893 --> 00:50:21,646 [mournful music playing] 932 00:50:21,688 --> 00:50:24,899 They weren't trying like I was trying. 933 00:50:24,941 --> 00:50:27,485 I spoke to every halfway house, 934 00:50:28,111 --> 00:50:31,197 every group dealing with runaways, 935 00:50:31,865 --> 00:50:34,993 even hired a private detective to do their job. 936 00:50:39,873 --> 00:50:42,083 All they could do was give us 937 00:50:42,125 --> 00:50:44,627 Greg's bones in a bag 938 00:50:47,797 --> 00:50:49,632 and apologize. 939 00:50:53,219 --> 00:50:56,222 [***] 940 00:51:09,152 --> 00:51:12,155 [sorrowful music playing] 941 00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:32,842 -I love you. 942 00:51:38,181 --> 00:51:39,641 Billy? 943 00:51:39,683 --> 00:51:41,976 -[Billy inhales deeply] 944 00:51:42,018 --> 00:51:44,187 This is fucked. 945 00:51:44,229 --> 00:51:46,731 -What? -This is just fucked. 946 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,900 -Why? -Because I'm not a-- 947 00:51:48,942 --> 00:51:49,984 I'm not-- 948 00:51:51,653 --> 00:51:53,530 I'm not a good person like you. 949 00:51:53,905 --> 00:51:55,156 -Yes, you are. 950 00:51:55,198 --> 00:51:57,867 -I've done really fucked up things in my life. 951 00:51:57,909 --> 00:51:59,244 -I don't care. 952 00:51:59,285 --> 00:52:01,162 -I'm trying to tell you that you should care, okay? 953 00:52:01,204 --> 00:52:02,789 Me and Danny, we, 954 00:52:04,791 --> 00:52:07,627 we, we nearly killed a guy one time 955 00:52:08,169 --> 00:52:10,130 for his TV. Like... 956 00:52:10,839 --> 00:52:12,007 -Billy... 957 00:52:12,048 --> 00:52:13,717 -You're not for me, okay? 958 00:52:13,758 --> 00:52:14,884 And, and that's okay. 959 00:52:14,926 --> 00:52:16,094 You know, there's, there's, there's an-- 960 00:52:16,136 --> 00:52:18,179 There's a good guy out there for you, 961 00:52:18,221 --> 00:52:19,848 a guy with-- You know, 962 00:52:19,889 --> 00:52:21,141 he's got a good job and, 963 00:52:21,182 --> 00:52:22,851 and he's not doing fucked up shit all the time. 964 00:52:22,892 --> 00:52:24,352 And-- Um, and he's, 965 00:52:24,394 --> 00:52:26,271 he's a guy that you can be really proud of. 966 00:52:27,981 --> 00:52:30,108 -So shut the hell up and be him. 967 00:52:31,901 --> 00:52:33,319 Be that guy. 968 00:52:34,404 --> 00:52:36,322 Get a real job. 969 00:52:36,364 --> 00:52:38,867 Bag groceries, I don't care. 970 00:52:39,409 --> 00:52:42,704 Whatever it is, I'll be proud of you just for trying. 971 00:52:47,250 --> 00:52:49,252 I know who you are. 972 00:52:51,171 --> 00:52:52,881 I'm for you, 973 00:52:54,257 --> 00:52:56,217 so I'm not going anywhere. 974 00:52:59,387 --> 00:53:00,722 -[sniffles] 975 00:53:04,351 --> 00:53:07,103 [***] 976 00:53:08,104 --> 00:53:10,857 [dialing phone number] 977 00:53:12,442 --> 00:53:14,652 [line ringing] 978 00:53:14,694 --> 00:53:15,695 [pick up tone] 979 00:53:15,737 --> 00:53:16,988 Frank [on phone]: Hello? 980 00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:21,409 -Commander. Kozenczak, Des Plaines. 981 00:53:21,451 --> 00:53:22,952 -[Frank sighs] It's late. 982 00:53:22,994 --> 00:53:25,080 Lt. Kozenczak: Been doing some digging. 983 00:53:25,121 --> 00:53:26,581 A year ago, 984 00:53:26,623 --> 00:53:30,418 Robert Donnelly is walking from college to the bus stop. 985 00:53:30,460 --> 00:53:32,754 Gacy pulls over, pretends to be a cop, 986 00:53:32,796 --> 00:53:35,924 cuffs him, takes him to his house, 987 00:53:35,965 --> 00:53:39,094 he sodomizes him, he pisses on him. 988 00:53:39,135 --> 00:53:41,638 He forces him to play Russian roulette. 989 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,223 He takes him into the bathtub 990 00:53:43,264 --> 00:53:47,102 and he drowns him over and over until he loses consciousness. 991 00:53:47,143 --> 00:53:50,105 Donnelly begs Gacy to kill him. Frank: Chief... 992 00:53:50,146 --> 00:53:52,941 -State's Attorney's office declines to prosecute. 993 00:53:55,026 --> 00:53:57,320 They called it homosexual horseplay. 994 00:53:58,905 --> 00:54:00,657 Now three months later, 995 00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:03,785 Gacy attacks Jeffrey Rignall. 996 00:54:04,911 --> 00:54:06,246 Same outcome. 997 00:54:06,788 --> 00:54:10,333 That and the two missing employees 998 00:54:10,375 --> 00:54:12,210 that you and I talked about, 999 00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:14,963 it's not a fuck up. 1000 00:54:15,672 --> 00:54:20,051 It's not a miscommunication, an oversight. 1001 00:54:23,847 --> 00:54:25,181 That's a scandal. 1002 00:54:26,349 --> 00:54:28,018 Ten days, 1003 00:54:28,893 --> 00:54:33,148 we had Gacy tailed and in custody in ten fucking days. 1004 00:54:33,189 --> 00:54:35,900 Chicago had ten years. 1005 00:54:35,942 --> 00:54:37,277 Frank: You finished? 1006 00:54:37,610 --> 00:54:40,071 Your boy, Rob Piest? 1007 00:54:40,113 --> 00:54:41,948 You know why you launched a thousand ships 1008 00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:43,408 looking for that boy? 1009 00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:44,993 Makes me wonder. 1010 00:54:45,035 --> 00:54:46,703 What if he'd been a runaway, 1011 00:54:46,745 --> 00:54:49,289 a thug, a queer, an addict? 1012 00:54:49,622 --> 00:54:52,208 How many days would it have taken you then? 1013 00:54:54,044 --> 00:54:56,046 [disconnect tone] 1014 00:55:00,425 --> 00:55:02,052 [slams the receiver] 1015 00:55:05,305 --> 00:55:07,349 [phone ringing] 1016 00:55:07,390 --> 00:55:09,309 -Hello? Billy [on phone]: Don't be mad. 1017 00:55:09,517 --> 00:55:11,895 -What? Where are you? 1018 00:55:11,936 --> 00:55:13,104 -I know I'm late. I'm sorry. 1019 00:55:13,146 --> 00:55:15,523 But I got the best reason in the world. 1020 00:55:15,565 --> 00:55:19,110 I think I got a job, a real job. 1021 00:55:19,152 --> 00:55:21,029 -Serious? -Yeah. 1022 00:55:21,071 --> 00:55:22,947 Your fiance's got a job. 1023 00:55:22,989 --> 00:55:25,992 -[chuckles] I'm, I'm so proud of you. 1024 00:55:26,034 --> 00:55:27,369 We should celebrate. 1025 00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:29,079 -I gotta sign some of the stuff for this guy but, 1026 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,790 but I'll be there really soon. I love you. 1027 00:55:31,831 --> 00:55:34,834 [song playing on radio] 1028 00:55:36,211 --> 00:55:39,923 singer: * Only, only * 1029 00:55:42,801 --> 00:55:47,806 * Only tonight * 1030 00:55:50,266 --> 00:55:56,231 * All the ladies, stay inside * 1031 00:55:56,439 --> 00:55:59,776 * Time may freeze * 1032 00:55:59,818 --> 00:56:03,196 * A world could cry * 1033 00:56:03,446 --> 00:56:06,408 * All this night * 1034 00:56:06,449 --> 00:56:09,911 * Running loud * 1035 00:56:09,953 --> 00:56:16,167 * I hear the whispers * * and I hear the shouts * 1036 00:56:16,459 --> 00:56:22,799 * And though they * * never cry for help * 1037 00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:26,344 [song fades] 1038 00:56:27,137 --> 00:56:31,141 [dark music playing] 1039 00:56:41,484 --> 00:56:42,819 -[grunts] 1040 00:56:56,291 --> 00:57:00,295 [mournful music playing] 1041 00:57:14,267 --> 00:57:17,270 [inaudible] 1042 00:57:19,230 --> 00:57:22,233 [mournful music continues] 1043 00:57:33,495 --> 00:57:37,290 [indistinct chattering] 1044 00:57:38,041 --> 00:57:39,376 John: [chuckles] 1045 00:57:40,460 --> 00:57:45,006 You, you just looked so nice. 1046 00:57:47,133 --> 00:57:50,136 [***] 1047 00:57:59,562 --> 00:58:02,023 -I talked to him. I called him up to find out 1048 00:58:02,065 --> 00:58:05,694 if my Gregory called and he said he did, 1049 00:58:05,735 --> 00:58:08,196 and that he was gonna come to work. And... 1050 00:58:08,238 --> 00:58:09,531 And I says, "Well, did he ever come?" 1051 00:58:09,572 --> 00:58:11,282 He says, "No." And I says, 1052 00:58:11,324 --> 00:58:12,951 "How do you know it was Gregory?" 1053 00:58:12,992 --> 00:58:15,036 And he says because he had him on his, 1054 00:58:15,078 --> 00:58:17,038 uh, tape, you know. 1055 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,456 And I asked him if he... 1056 00:58:18,498 --> 00:58:20,375 you know, if he could play it back. 1057 00:58:20,417 --> 00:58:22,419 He said, no. He erased it. So I wouldn't know. 1058 00:58:22,711 --> 00:58:25,922 [sorrowful music playing] 1059 00:58:39,269 --> 00:58:43,273 [dramatic music playing] 75417

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