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As a journalist, you are consumed by two
questions constantly.
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How to tell a story, but perhaps more
crucially, why to tell a story.
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Imagine a country.
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Nice weather, let's give it a nice
weather.
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Nice weather for England, anyway.
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Imagine the people in this country
believe they are living in a democracy.
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Believe in their own freedom.
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But they are being abused.
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By a power so every day they don't know
to look for it. A treacherous
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combination of press, the police and
politicians that hide in plain sight.
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Imagine a country where that concealment
was... Imagine a country where, where
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the news organisations... Shit.
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Imagine an old, deleted, florid
mountain.
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My name is Mick Davies.
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I'm a journalist, and this is a story
that ends in seven major police
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investigations, nearly 40 convictions,
and some of the most powerful people in
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this country being brought to their
knees.
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Two grand, two grand, two grand.
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My name is Nick Davis.
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I'm a journalist.
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Morning. This all started with Stuart
Cutler. Hello.
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This is the most troubling story I've
ever written.
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A story about the abuse of power and the
concealment of truth.
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Hi. Hi. Nick Davis for the Today
programme.
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I'm Nathan.
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British journalism is floppy and morally
bankrupt.
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That is the claim of the journalist Nick
Davies, who's written a book that shows
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how often newspapers use illegal methods
for getting their stories.
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It's called Flat Earth News, and Nick
Davies joins us now. Good morning.
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Hi. You say...
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sloppy, because newspapers use press
releases rather than getting their own
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stories, and morally bankrupt because of
the illegality involved.
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Really, the root that binds together all
the different themes is that the logic
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of journalism has been overwhelmed by
the logic of commercialism. Journalists
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longer have the time or the resources to
do their jobs properly. Instead,
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they're just passive processors of
unchecked, second -hand material. Okay,
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you also, you go much further in
suggesting that there has been
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criminality involved, and that's
generally accepted within the press.
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principally that involves hiring private
investigators.
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They hire private investigators to get
your bank statements, your credit card
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statements, your itemised phone bills,
your tax record, even your health
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these creatures are getting. All of that
is illegal.
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Okay, we're joined by John Mullen, who
is the editor of The Independent on
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Sunday, and Stuart Cutner, who's
managing editor of News of the World.
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Mullen, do you recognise this?
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Well, I ploughed my way through the
first half of the book, not the second
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so far. And no one can deny that life in
journalism is much harder than maybe it
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was 20, 30 years ago. But to say that
journalism as a whole is a passive
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processor of news, I think that's
erroneous. Stuart Kupner. Yes, I'll tell
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what I think. I think, frankly...
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Listening to Nick Davis, I thought he
was speaking from a newsroom on another
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planet. It is totally unrecognisable to
me. Many years in newspapers in Fleet
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Street, now, of course, at the News of
the World. So what did he say that was
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wrong?
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Well, he talks about, if you like,
shortcuts.
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PR interest, commercial interest. I have
to tell you, none of my News of the
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World journalists would recognize that
at all. But what about the way these
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people get the stories and access to
personal information?
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Well, if it happens, it...
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Shouldn't happen. It happened once at
the News of the World. The reporter was
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fired. He went to prison. The editor
resigned. And while Nick is talking
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all this, I notice he doesn't mention
the Guardian's own act of criminality
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the Guardian forged the signature of a
cabinet minister. OK, I don't want to go
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into detail of the story. I think the
fact that Nick Davis... You may not want
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to go into detail, but Nick makes a
broad brush sweeping attack on our
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profession, which I happen to believe.
is an honourable profession.
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You
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hear
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that?
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I wish I hadn't.
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You're too kind.
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I did say appearing on the Today program
to attack journalism wasn't exactly the
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most sensible idea.
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Listen, before I go home, I wanted to
talk to you about something else. Good
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thing was you weren't representing the
Guardian.
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You were talking about your book.
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My book. Oh, Kuttner did have a good go
at trying to besmirch us through you.
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I want out.
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Do you know anything about baking
competitions?
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I want to know how many people cheat at
baking competitions.
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Round number.
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Exactly the sort of thing the Guardian
should be investigating.
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I don't mean out altogether.
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I'd like to go to Brussels.
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Investigate a whole new horizon.
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Something well -paid.
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Naturally. That will allow me to
commute. The kids are old enough now to
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to... I need you here.
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Sadiq Khan.
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Bugged. Forty -year convention.
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Briefed. And why?
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Keep the Americans happy.
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Needs a good journalist.
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I'm not good.
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Nobody likes me. Oh, come on.
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I like you.
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Some of the time.
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And I'm sure there are a few others who
also... Please.
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Self -pity is not a redeeming quality.
We'll talk tomorrow.
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I'm freelance.
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Precisely. I don't need to talk to you
tomorrow.
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You're freelance with more or less a
sole employer. I say you should talk to
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tomorrow.
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We've all been roasted by Stuart bloody
Cutler.
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Bye.
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Let me explain. Alan is, um... Well, we
grew up together in journalism, that is,
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and he has always understood... Sorry.
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Yep. Nick Davis.
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Who's this?
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My name is... Redacted. Sorry. We'll
call him Mr. Apollo because, um... Well,
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actually, because he is... It doesn't
matter.
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How did you get this number?
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Listen, Kuttner made a mistake.
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Well, I know several chief amongst them
appearing on the Today program.
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He said it happened once.
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It happened once. It happened once upon
the news of the world. The reporter was
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fired. He went to prison. The editor
resigned.
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You're talking about phone hacking.
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Nick, your book only scratched the
surface.
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We have to meet face to face somewhere
absolutely discreet. I think you'll like
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what I have.
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Where and when?
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In the beginning, it was next to
nothing.
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Two men were arrested for hacking phones
in 2006.
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A private investigator, Glenn Mulcair.
The sentences
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they received were short. The attention
they got limited.
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But the crime was unusual.
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They had discovered they could access
other people's voicemail messages.
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And they spent months eavesdropping on
three of Prince William's staff at
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Clarence House.
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How? They didn't say.
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Why?
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for the discovery of private
information.
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It was the start of the next six years
of my life.
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To be clear, I've never told anyone who
Mr. Apollo is, so some guesses have been
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made.
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Bye again.
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No, sorry, it's not you.
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Come on.
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Hi. You coming in or...
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Nice. Choice of room.
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Just to check, is the Guardian paying?
Because if so, I'd implore you to stay
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away from that minibar.
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Mulcair, in the trial, he said he'd
hacked other... Five non -royals. I
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remember, yes.
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Um, L. McPherson, Sky Andrew, Max
Clifford.
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He's a liar.
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Kuttner's a liar.
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And one of the five is suing them.
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Which one?
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That five is just the tip of the
iceberg.
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Hacking phones at the news of the world
has been endemic.
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Endemic?
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They pick up their leads by intercepting
voicemails.
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And only then do they get photographs
and quotes so as to lay a false trail,
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pretend they found the story through
legitimate means.
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They've hacked thousands.
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Yeah.
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Dial a number.
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Someone who's likely to not answer.
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This is Alan Rusbridger.
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That's your phone, my friend.
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The editor of The Guardian.
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Press 9.
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Please enter your four -digit PIN. Now
enter 1, 2, 3, 4.
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That's the factory setting.
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Welcome to your voicemail. You have one
new message.
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Alan, it's Mummy.
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I'm just calling about Jill Wyatt. She
won Best Sponge again, and I'm sure she
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changed it. I don't want to hear this.
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It's that easy.
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Doesn't even need a Glenn Mulcair most
of the time.
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You're saying this is widespread.
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Glenn's main job was that when it got
tricky, unlike with your Alan, was to
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the mobile phone companies into
resetting the celebrity's PIN code to
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original factory setting.
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One, two, three, four.
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It's Alan.
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Please. Who is this?
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Hi, yeah, it's Nick.
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Listen, change the voicemail settings on
your phone.
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And how do I do that?
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Ask a young person. I've got to go. Bye.
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Who is suing?
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The person who is, is currently trying
to get Scotland Yard to hand over
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evidence they collected and did nothing
with when they arrested Mulcair.
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It's evidence that could burn, fuck and
destroy everything.
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Twice over.
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You won't tell me which one of the five
it is, will you?
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I will tell you, but you're missing two
names.
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Gordon Taylor.
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and Simon Hughes.
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Will you go on the record?
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If you dig, it comes from you. I can...
I can confirm things,
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but... It's just another story of
journos banging
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badly.
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You're not interested?
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It's interesting, but... You should talk
to someone else.
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Do you realize I could lose my job just
by talking to you? Don't worry, this
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conversation never happened. No, no, no,
that's not my point, Nick. Think.
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Think who edited the paper.
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Think about where he sits now.
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You're talking about Andy Coulson.
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Stop him.
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Mind the gap.
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Stand clear of the doors, please.
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Andy Coulson, a rapid ascent journalist.
From a local reporter to showbiz at the
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Sun, he was made editor of News of the
World in 2003.
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Even after he resigned in 2007 over the
original phone hacking case, it was seen
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as honourable. Him carrying the can for
the one rogue reporter.
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Not me really, Gov.
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But if he is, if this is Indemnit, he's
David Cameron's communications director.
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For him to be involved in widespread
criminality.
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Not a bad idea.
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I'm not late.
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It would be fine if you were to be a bit
late.
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You don't need to be worried.
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Are they ready?
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They are ready.
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Kids!
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You okay?
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Kids! Ooh, you're anxious to go then.
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Sorry, how are you, etc?
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I'm fine, etc.
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You all right?
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Never better.
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Really? I heard you on the radio.
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That sort of performance helped sales.
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Oh, I would doubt it.
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I'm, um, I am worried about... I'm not
going to reveal my child's name.
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Let's call him Beans.
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He comes home, locks himself in his
room.
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I have tried to talk to him, but...
Avoid all questions.
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So, do we bring the score?
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Let's get the details, make sure he
wants the help.
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Oh, you sound like a journalist.
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Let me try.
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Let me try.
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Got a new recipe.
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Okay, Dad. Stuffed tomato thing.
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Yeah, no, it's good.
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Call you when it's ready. It's Turkish.
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Yep. So, I met someone today.
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A source.
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He was pissed off with what Cutler said
on the radio.
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Okay. Hacking was endemic, he said, at
News of the World. And someone is now
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suing Scotland Yard for information on
what was hacked.
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Now, no, I know it's one of either Elm
and Person.
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Simon Hughes, Gordon Taylor, Sky Andrew
or Max Clifford, but I don't know which
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one. What do you think?
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Do I dig?
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Trying to find out who it is. If I find
them, we might get some evidence that
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proves foul play was a bit more
widespread.
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Imagine what it does to Andy Coulson.
He's about to have keys to 10 Downing
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Street. Did Cameron even do a fit and
proper person test on him?
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Did he even look into Coulson's past?
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That's a good angle.
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But another tabloids behaving badly
story.
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I said the same thing.
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And who wants to kick a bee's nest?
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Murdoch, you know.
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This sauce.
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Has he got under your skin?
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No, I just wanted to talk it out with
someone.
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You.
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Oh, always grateful to be your sounding
board.
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Go home, Alan.
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Who says I'm in the office?
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We'll always have Brussels.
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Bye.
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It's creepy when you do that.
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Stare at me like that.
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How are you?
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Why are you asking?
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If there ever is anything you need to
discuss... Yes, Dad, I know.
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I never much liked school.
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Not being bullied.
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I always saw school as a necessity.
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Why does everyone always think I'm being
bullied? Not a virtue.
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There was a guy who used to hit us.
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Another kid?
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Actually, a teacher.
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He used to... God, he used to really
scare me. I never used to do well.
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Well, I never used to do well with fear,
but also the thing I remember most
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clearly.
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Rage.
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I heard you on the radio.
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I listen to the Today programme.
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Mum makes us listen to or read
everything you do.
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You have an impressive dad.
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And she says that, like, he may be a
total dick, but he's impressive.
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You know the story of the dung beetle.
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Oh, God.
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Really, again?
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If you want to fly free... First you
have to eat a lot of shit.
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Sometimes you have to ignore bullies.
Not being bullies. Sometimes you have to
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puncture them. I'm not that. There's
always a way to... There's always a
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when the wanker, when they suddenly seem
vulnerable, when they are, you have to
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clamp your pincers onto them as hard as
possible. Do not let go.
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Tomatoes in the oven. Very intense.
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They're Turkish.
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Thank you very much.
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You stupid child.
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You stupid disappointment.
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It won't surprise you to know we didn't
get the right to use their mouth head.
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Or this one.
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Hi, it's Nick Davies.
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You still have that contact at Scotland
Yard?
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No, sorry, mate.
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Really cannot begin a ball without one.
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You know how that is. But Andy Coulson
will soon be sitting in Downing Street.
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Yeah, and Murdoch's already sitting on
Downing Street.
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Yes, I appreciate that. I understand. If
I could get some evidence of this...
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No. No.
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No. All right, thanks. Bye.
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Oh, hi. Thanks for coming back. Do you
have the number for name redacted?
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Yeah.
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Okay, great.
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Zero.
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7 -7 -0 -0 -9 -0 -0 -9 -5 -4.
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Got that. Thank you.
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Hi, I'm wondering whether I could speak
to whoever represents Elle McPherson.
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No, no, I'm not a fan. No, I'm wondering
whether she's currently suing the News
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of the World.
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Is that Max?
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Hi, it's Nick Davies. We met at the
Orwell Prize.
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I'm actually after a bit of insight.
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Well, no, give me a chance.
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Detective Buzz Aldrin?
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Not his real name.
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My name is Nick Davis. I'm a Guardian
journalist.
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I believe you were looking into the
Clive Goodman case. I'm very busy, Mr.
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Davis. I followed your work, Buzz. I
know how principled you are. I think you
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know that what is happening here is
acutely in the public interest. And if
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all dealt with in behind -stairs deals,
it'll help no one. I can't talk to
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journalists. Don't have to talk.
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All I need to know is which of the five
non -royal names in the Clive Goodman
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case is now suing the paper.
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Cough.
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That's all I ask. Cough when I hit the
right name. You are very, very
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persistent. Because what I understand is
that those five names represent...
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Thousands, thousands of people who've
had their privacy stolen by this
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newspaper. Please.
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L. McPherson.
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Simon Hughes.
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Gordon Taylor.
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Thank you.
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You did the right thing.
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Sorry, excuse me. Charlotte Harris, Nick
Davis of The Guardian. I believe you
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represent Gordon Taylor. I'm June Court.
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I understand that he's suing News of the
World for breach of privacy. Mr. Davis,
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whether or not Mr. Taylor is my client,
I have no interest in talking to any
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press. Sorry.
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These so -called journalists bring our
whole industry into disrepute. I'm very
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persistent.
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Well, can you tell me then about John
Hewison?
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He's also a claimant, is he not?
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And the interesting thing is, if you ask
the public who those two are, they
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might know Taylor. They wouldn't know
Hewson because he's a lawyer, like you.
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He's entrusted with the secrets of
others, in the secrets of sports stars,
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his case, which makes him interesting to
the news of the world.
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This is a news operation which is trying
to undermine the confidentiality that
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crucially underlies your profession. If
you want to fight it, well, you're a
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tiger, but they're lions.
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The Guardian's a lion, too.
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What if I'm neither a lion nor a tiger?
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What if I am a walrus?
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Walruses can be fierce.
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And what if you're a... See, I'm trying
to think of an annoying animal.
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Is Mr. Taylor settled?
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What evidence do you have? Are there
other claimants?
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I'm sure you must be looking to engage
more clients.
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Privacy cases like this can sometimes...
What did Max Mosley get?
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£60 ,000.
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And costs. Line enough up. You could
have a class action suit worth a lot of
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money. You were doing well.
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Reasonably well.
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Until you bought money into it.
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I can't talk to you about specific
cases, but I can tell you... I can tell
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that there is so much more to come.
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Yep. You've got the name.
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Mr. Apollo, you're back.
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Are you watching me?
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I take it you're still interested in
this case, then?
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Deere is in the fireplace, the lion of
the light.
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What the fuck are you doing?
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Sorry, I had a tendency to make jokes. I
was trying to be a Russian spy.
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I could be spotted at any moment. Do you
know the risks?
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I do, sorry.
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So you found the lawyer?
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This is some kind of a test. Do I get a
prize at the end of it?
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Do you know how much they're settling
for? No.
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£400 ,000 in damages, another £300 ,000
in legal expenses, and their associates
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are getting £140 ,000 in damages, plus
they're legal.
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The whole package comes in at just over
a million pounds.
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Now, that's a lot, even for News
International to stomach.
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But...
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Max Mosley, with their cute hymn of
being a Nazi at an orgy, all he got was
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,000 pounds, yes.
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Now you're getting it.
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Look, I need... I need paperwork or
audio recordings, some sort of hard
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evidence.
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I don't even have to publish it. I just
need to be able to show the Guardian.
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The preliminary hearings in 2007, the
public record. That's not enough.
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Right.
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You work it out. Can I use it? Nope. I
need to be able to use it.
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Summarize it?
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Yes. Show it to your editor?
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Yes. Quote from it?
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No.
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Can I have your number?
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Be careful, Nick.
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This could get nasty.
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I have a piece on MPs' expenses I want
you to have a look at. Okay.
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Want some gingerbread?
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My mother made it, it's not very good. I
have a little.
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How long did that take you to get?
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Maybe too long.
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And you've never mentioned it?
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They're paying up millions to cover this
up. This is a story.
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Nick, newspapers reporting on
newspapers... But the editor of that
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about to enter government.
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If Andy Coulson was completed in hacking
phones as an editor...
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Imagine what it might do to enemies of
the government.
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Show me what you have.
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I can choke.
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Print out of an email.
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Ross Hindley at News of the World to
shadowmen at yahoo .co .uk. It's Glenn
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Mulcair's email.
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His email was shadowmen.
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It says transcript for Neville.
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Wednesday, 29th of June, 2005.
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I can read.
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And Neville is? Neville Felbeck, chief
reporter at News of the World.
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There are transcripts of 35 voicemail
messages which have been left on the
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phones of Gordon Taylor and a colleague.
It wasn't just Clive Goodman.
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And then there's this.
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Greg Miskew, assistant editor.
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Approving a payment of £7 ,000, two
-mile care, for a story on Gordon
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And the police have access to all of
this and more.
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Can we use this?
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No.
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Can we get your Mr Apollo to speak on
the record?
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How long have we known each other?
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I've no idea.
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I had no interest in trying to work that
out. It'll make me feel old. Nearly 30
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years.
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This is it, Alan.
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There is an industry making huge profits
from evading people's private lives,
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and Rupert Murdoch's bullying tabloids
have explicitly encouraged it and are
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buying it.
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This matter.
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Good. Okay.
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I'll let you know when I've got
something.
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Thanks, Adam.
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You may think you lead a private life,
but the Guardian has uncovered evidence
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to suggest otherwise.
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This strange story began in 2006 with
the arrest of two men, the News of the
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World royal editor Clive Goodman and a
private investigator, Glenn Mulcair.
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The men pled guilty to phone hacking
charges and served prison sentences.
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Following an investigation, the paper
told the world that hacking was the work
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of one rogue reporter.
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The story should have ended there, but
it didn't.
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From the beginning on, newspapers have
prospered for one reason.
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Giving readers the news they want.
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Shit,
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shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit,
shit, shit.
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Keep it simple.
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Rupert Murdoch's News Group newspapers
had paid out more than £1 million to
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settle legal cases that threatened to
reveal evidence of his journalist's
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repeated involvement in the use of
criminal methods to get stories.
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Payments secured secrecy over out -of
-court settlements in three cases that
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threatened to expose evidence of Murdoch
journalists using private
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investigators. To illegally hack into
the mobile phone messages of numerous
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public figures.
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Cabinet ministers, MPs, actors and
sports stars were all targets of private
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investigators. Are you sure we can
safely list all those groups?
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We already have evidence of actors,
Elmick Thurston, sports stars, Sky
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MPs then? I have an invoice recording a
payment to a private investigator
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showing John Prescott had been targeted.
It's likely hacking.
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This article has no named sources, no
evidence on the record.
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Anna thinks we have enough. I do too.
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And we haven't got right of reply.
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It's a declaration of bloody war.
Murdoch and Brooks, they have nuclear
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Right now they do, but we can neuter
their nuclear weapons with this. If we
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Fleet Street will fall in behind us, the
police soon after. And they have, when
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they find the information they already
have. Information they don't know they
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have. The Met we're talking about.
489
00:30:21,780 --> 00:30:24,080
Look, once we public, they'll be forced
to act.
490
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:25,860
Can we name Coulson?
491
00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:28,540
Now you're worried I haven't gone far
enough.
492
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,680
That makes it more in the public
interest if we can name him.
493
00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:36,220
I did ring Conservative HQ right to
reply, Jill. I asked about the Gordon
494
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:39,640
settlement. His office replied it didn't
ring any bells. There'd be nothing that
495
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,400
directly linked them. I agree.
496
00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:48,820
But we can say that he was the editor in
place when journalists for whom he
497
00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:50,780
was responsible, etc., etc., etc. That's
good.
498
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,320
That's good.
499
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,840
Yes?
500
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,040
I'm uneasy.
501
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:01,420
But if you're sure...
502
00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:06,070
I am.
503
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:12,250
It reads well.
504
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:20,190
Okay.
505
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,200
At half past five in the afternoon on
Wednesday, 8th July 2009, we posted my
506
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,620
news story on the Guardian website.
507
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:37,620
As it ran, the Guardian news desk asked
a reporter, Caroline Davies, to call
508
00:31:37,620 --> 00:31:40,760
John Prescott, ex -deputy prime
minister, to get a quote.
509
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,300
I told him the gist of the story and he
said, Fucking hell!
510
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:49,420
You'd have thought the police in the
committing of a criminal offence, as
511
00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:52,460
clearly it is against anyone, and
particularly you'd have thought a
512
00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:55,580
member. They would have come and told me
about it, and I wouldn't have asked
513
00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:59,940
them, what are you going to do about it?
The press got ruled, but the house fell
514
00:31:59,940 --> 00:32:00,940
silent.
515
00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:03,460
Anyone?
516
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,320
Anyone?
517
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:17,680
And Fleet Street, well... Fleet Street
518
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,720
essentially... Did their best to ignore
the story. Ask any journalist what a
519
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,380
great story depends on. They'll say the
same thing.
520
00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:27,600
A new angle.
521
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,980
One at least journalists can get behind.
522
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,280
We are reliant on our own profession to
follow up on stories so they have
523
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,940
impact. To make a story newsworthy
requires multiple news outlets.
524
00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:40,400
But on this one, crickets.
525
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,640
My company couldn't have settled the
legal action at the Guardian Climbs if
526
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,200
had done out of none about it.
527
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:51,550
I tried to get this out as wide as
possible. I talked on radio stations, TV
528
00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:55,510
shows. I took constant calls from agents
of public figures asking, am I on that
529
00:32:55,510 --> 00:32:57,230
list? I slept about four hours.
530
00:32:57,490 --> 00:33:01,950
And then at five in the afternoon, I was
surprised to hear that John Yates,
531
00:33:02,150 --> 00:33:06,250
assistant commissioner at Scotland Yard,
was preparing to make a statement.
532
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:07,950
Good afternoon.
533
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:12,670
I was not involved in the original case
and clearly come at this with an
534
00:33:12,670 --> 00:33:13,670
independent mind.
535
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:18,130
In my opinion, what I've seen is a most
careful investigation, by very
536
00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:19,770
experienced detectives.
537
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:24,830
He proceeded to gently demolish our
work. We suggested there were thousands
538
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:29,530
victims. Their potential targets may
have run into hundreds of people, but
539
00:33:29,530 --> 00:33:33,730
inquiry showed that they only used the
tactic against a far smaller number of
540
00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:38,010
individuals. And since no additional
evidence has come to light, I can see no
541
00:33:38,010 --> 00:33:39,470
reason to reopen the inquiry.
542
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:41,810
Thank you. That's all for today.
543
00:33:55,030 --> 00:34:02,030
That was Assistant
544
00:34:02,030 --> 00:34:04,910
Commissioner John Yates speaking in
response to...
545
00:34:04,910 --> 00:34:09,530
What is that?
546
00:34:10,989 --> 00:34:12,489
The police haven't backed out.
547
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:15,770
And Kistana's conducting a review.
548
00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:19,730
He was director of public prosecutions
then. But he doesn't consider there was
549
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:24,230
anything inappropriate in the
prosecutions undertaken in this case. We
550
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:28,909
squashed. We need to speak to your Mr.
Apollo. We need to get him on the
551
00:34:29,130 --> 00:34:33,370
He... He can contact me. I can't contact
him. Nick.
552
00:34:35,889 --> 00:34:39,110
Our colleagues upstairs are gravely
concerned.
553
00:34:39,870 --> 00:34:44,750
Is it possible you were set up? No, this
is right. I've used no named sources,
554
00:34:44,949 --> 00:34:47,610
no quotes from documents we should never
have published.
555
00:34:49,230 --> 00:34:53,770
And Murdoch has set his attack dogs on
us in the Commons. They're briefing that
556
00:34:53,770 --> 00:34:55,070
we can't back up our story.
557
00:34:55,489 --> 00:34:58,750
And now the CMS Select Committee want to
see us urgently.
558
00:34:59,910 --> 00:35:01,390
That doesn't sound great.
559
00:35:02,090 --> 00:35:06,210
They want to barbecue you, Nick. And
Johnny Yates has given them permission.
560
00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:13,620
I'm sorry. I've read the runes wrong
here.
561
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:17,260
Guardian are putting together a
statement.
562
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,480
What kind of statement?
563
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:20,400
I'll know when I see it.
564
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,200
I feel like I'm having a heart attack.
565
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:27,700
Why is everybody doing this?
566
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:58,060
My mother was a strong character,
intelligent, forceful, imaginative,
567
00:35:58,260 --> 00:36:03,240
as she believed, in domestic drudgery.
She had a furious temper.
568
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,300
This wasn't the 1950s toxic ideal of
spare the rod and spoil the child. This
569
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:09,560
mad beatings.
570
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:15,160
She came after us with a black -eyed
fury, armed with whatever weapon she had
571
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,820
hand, a dog lead, a slipper, a riding
crop, a rope.
572
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,620
Are you ready to say you're sorry?
573
00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:26,380
No.
574
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,960
I've been working as a journalist for a
couple of decades thinking I was
575
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,420
interested in criminal justice and
social problems when I saw that I was
576
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:43,160
drawn to stories again and again with
the same theme.
577
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,760
A deep -seated urge to hit back at
anybody at all.
578
00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:54,160
Who takes power and abuses it. Stupid
child.
579
00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:41,960
So I tried hitting him back.
580
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,600
Why?
581
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,280
Seizing rage.
582
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,820
I thought he looked vulnerable.
583
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:51,300
Oh.
584
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Didn't work.
585
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:55,960
No.
586
00:37:57,900 --> 00:37:58,920
He looked terrible.
587
00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:03,460
What happened to you?
588
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,100
You're asking me or him?
589
00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:10,910
Okay, so I need to... To take you to
your mum's tonight.
590
00:38:11,230 --> 00:38:13,970
Um, she says she'd call if you are.
591
00:38:14,290 --> 00:38:15,430
Yeah, sure, I don't mind.
592
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:29,410
It's been a day of statements and
counter -statements in the phone hacking
593
00:38:29,410 --> 00:38:34,570
affair, with News International angrily
refuting all the allegations made by the
594
00:38:34,570 --> 00:38:38,920
Guardian. With the editor and the
reporter due to appear at the Media
595
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,720
Committee, certain publications are
claiming a leftist agenda against the
596
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:48,020
of the World by The Guardian, and
calling for legal action to be taken
597
00:38:48,020 --> 00:38:52,820
the organisation if they can't back up
the furious claims made against
598
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:53,820
paper.
599
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,960
Bye.
600
00:39:05,290 --> 00:39:06,290
See you, kids. Bye, kids.
601
00:39:07,330 --> 00:39:09,930
Oh, come on. I'm fine, Mum. I'm fine.
602
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:11,150
It's my fault.
603
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:12,830
Sorry, bad advice.
604
00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:15,490
Coffee?
605
00:39:15,970 --> 00:39:16,970
Oh.
606
00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:19,530
Thanks for sussing in Monday. I'm sorry.
607
00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:22,310
Nick. Yeah. Have you eaten?
608
00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:24,790
When? In the last day.
609
00:39:25,350 --> 00:39:30,890
I'm just a bit tired. I'm not really at
my best. I need to think and...
610
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:37,100
House of Commons Select Committee want
to see us tomorrow.
611
00:39:37,780 --> 00:39:40,980
And the Guardian have got this message
that their PR have written that is...
612
00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:43,700
that is just... All right. Okay.
613
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:46,720
You look worse than he does.
614
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,640
Nice. I didn't tell him to fight back.
615
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:50,940
I can't do this myself.
616
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:52,180
Come on. Eat someone.
617
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:53,300
Eat.
618
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:54,940
All right.
619
00:39:56,340 --> 00:39:57,340
Come on.
620
00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:59,660
Sit down.
621
00:40:00,020 --> 00:40:01,020
Sit down.
622
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,120
People okay?
623
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,860
How do I make it better?
624
00:40:11,660 --> 00:40:14,160
Well, we will talk to the school.
625
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,380
You think they'll do better?
626
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,560
Good to go.
627
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,980
Things have changed, you know. Teachers,
parents, they're not allowed to do.
628
00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:28,340
Systems, right?
629
00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:31,420
I thought about her.
630
00:40:32,860 --> 00:40:34,440
Earlier today, I was reading this.
631
00:40:36,740 --> 00:40:38,680
Paper magic over apologetics.
632
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:43,500
PR nonsense. I thought about all the
times I'd gone to her and apologised and
633
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:47,440
all the times that I... And then my son
gets a face like that.
634
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,880
OK.
635
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,700
I'm going to make the safe route. You're
staying here tonight.
636
00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:58,980
And I'll just put this suit on.
637
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,820
to read that statement, a retraction at
this time.
638
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,520
You're asking me to say I was wrong.
639
00:41:38,780 --> 00:41:43,640
If we can't get Mr Apollo on the record,
then we need to make a retraction.
640
00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:46,540
You know getting him on the record is
impossible.
641
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:51,020
Then I'm afraid you'll have to make that
statement to the select committee
642
00:41:51,020 --> 00:41:54,700
tomorrow. If you make me read it out, I
won't come.
643
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,480
If you don't come...
644
00:42:30,830 --> 00:42:34,230
Carl Bernstein, one of the great
reporters who exposed the Watergate
645
00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:41,070
said, I think all good reporting is the
same thing. The best attainable version
646
00:42:41,070 --> 00:42:42,070
of the truth.
647
00:42:42,370 --> 00:42:45,770
The best attainable version of the
truth.
648
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:48,370
The best attainable. So no matter what
you've got...
649
00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:15,070
Morning. Hi. Does this printer scanner
thing still work?
650
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:17,130
Yeah, that one does.
651
00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:21,270
Coffee? And do you have some black paper
and some glue and some scissors?
652
00:43:21,850 --> 00:43:23,850
Oh, you're making me a collage, Nick.
653
00:43:24,110 --> 00:43:26,450
Might need the kid to be quite late for
school.
654
00:43:27,090 --> 00:43:28,090
Right. Why?
655
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:36,870
Okay, so these are emails written to a
journalist, that's Neville, with
656
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:38,250
transcriptions of...
657
00:43:38,650 --> 00:43:40,490
A man called Gordon Taylor's voicemail
messages.
658
00:43:40,690 --> 00:43:43,170
What I need you to do is to block out
all the sections which are clearly
659
00:43:43,170 --> 00:43:46,130
transcribed from those voicemails. Leave
everything else visible.
660
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:48,190
You should be able to tell which bits
are which, but if there ain't doubts,
661
00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:52,150
ask. May I ask, why aren't you doing
this at the Guardian with some sort of
662
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:53,150
vague professionalism?
663
00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:54,250
Alan can't know.
664
00:43:55,050 --> 00:43:56,190
Your editor can't know.
665
00:43:57,550 --> 00:43:58,970
Because I can't have him tell anyone
else.
666
00:43:59,450 --> 00:44:01,070
Oh, yeah. That man is gossip.
667
00:44:01,470 --> 00:44:04,190
If Fleet Street can't know about this,
as far as they know, I'm walking naked
668
00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:05,210
into that committee room.
669
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:07,830
I was just trying to protect my editor
and my newspaper.
670
00:44:08,589 --> 00:44:09,589
And you.
671
00:44:11,050 --> 00:44:13,410
What sort of danger are you putting
yourself in here?
672
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:48,080
Nick. How are you, Alan?
673
00:44:49,060 --> 00:44:50,940
I'm fine. A bit tired.
674
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:53,200
Something interrupted my sleep last
night.
675
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:54,520
I hate it when that happens.
676
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,560
I hate all of this.
677
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:01,500
Sorry if I've made your life difficult.
678
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:03,680
My life.
679
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,440
This is bigger than me.
680
00:45:07,060 --> 00:45:10,200
Could have brought down the whole
Guardian newspaper with this one.
681
00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:12,380
What a way to go.
682
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,240
I mean, consider the glory.
683
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,540
I, Nick Davis, have destroyed, utterly
destroyed,
684
00:45:22,780 --> 00:45:26,700
close to 200 years of journalistic
endeavour.
685
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,560
You're an absolute god.
686
00:45:31,140 --> 00:45:33,680
God, I can't even think what you are.
You're awful.
687
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:37,500
You know what?
688
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,840
Peter Preston told me when I took over
the editor's desk.
689
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,200
Mein Helder, that you knew?
690
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,360
Don't join the club.
691
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,320
He had to make adjustments to the paper
after the move from Manchester, and he
692
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,360
didn't... He wouldn't be part of the
media cabal.
693
00:45:54,940 --> 00:45:57,160
He liked being on the edge of Fleet
Street.
694
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,040
He considered it part of our DNA.
695
00:46:01,620 --> 00:46:04,080
Last night in bed, I realised something.
696
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,320
What you've done...
697
00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:11,670
Bringing us here is in the line of great
guardian coups.
698
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:16,730
But I do want to keep the newspaper I've
been entrusted with alive.
699
00:46:18,450 --> 00:46:19,830
Are you reading the statement?
700
00:46:20,330 --> 00:46:21,330
No.
701
00:46:22,690 --> 00:46:24,170
But I do have things to say.
702
00:46:27,590 --> 00:46:32,230
If you go too far, I will squeeze your
leg and you will stop.
703
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:35,150
I've got a paper to protect.
704
00:46:36,970 --> 00:46:39,710
And you, be sure to protect yourself.
705
00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:42,870
Tune hats on.
706
00:46:43,650 --> 00:46:45,230
Thank you for joining us, gentlemen.
707
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:50,350
Now, we have a lot of questions, so I'll
try to keep opening statements short.
708
00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:52,930
I'd like to keep this whole experience
quite short, if I may.
709
00:46:54,670 --> 00:46:57,670
But I do have... There's a lot for me to
say.
710
00:47:01,470 --> 00:47:05,650
I'd like to start by showing you, first
of all, copies of an email.
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