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kill her this is the perfect

kill her this is the perfect

kill her this is the perfect place yes I've got everything

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[Music]

[Music] awesome that CAU by Denny right behind

awesome that CAU by Denny right behind

awesome that CAU by Denny right behind us that did you see that yes oh my God

us that did you see that yes oh my God

us that did you see that yes oh my God I'm just

I'm just

I'm just about he's not

back do you feel like grunge is an empty

back do you feel like grunge is an empty

back do you feel like grunge is an empty word I mean there's nothing to it yes

word I mean there's nothing to it yes

word I mean there's nothing to it yes yeah it's an empty word nothing to it

nothing to it nothing to grunge nothing

nothing to it nothing to grunge nothing

nothing to it nothing to grunge nothing to

to

to grunge one might say that Tad was the

grunge one might say that Tad was the

grunge one might say that Tad was the pioneer of this inventure of

pioneer of this inventure of

pioneer of this inventure of this in some ways they're the

this in some ways they're the

this in some ways they're the quintessential grunge

band there were the combination of

band there were the combination of

band there were the combination of musical Ingenuity musical fluidity a

musical Ingenuity musical fluidity a

musical Ingenuity musical fluidity a sense of humor a sense of style but I

sense of humor a sense of style but I

sense of humor a sense of style but I mean they really were as charismatic a

mean they really were as charismatic a

mean they really were as charismatic a band as any that were ever on

subpop like Tad the band they kind of

subpop like Tad the band they kind of

subpop like Tad the band they kind of took on this character like there's Tad

took on this character like there's Tad

took on this character like there's Tad the person and then there's t a d

the person and then there's t a d

the person and then there's t a d capital letters

capital letters

capital letters [Music]

[Music]

[Music] Tad hello people my name is Gary and I

Tad hello people my name is Gary and I

Tad hello people my name is Gary and I play washboard

play washboard

play washboard my name is Kurt I play Bas t i play with

my name is Kurt I play Bas t i play with

my name is Kurt I play Bas t i play with [Music]

[Music]

[Music] myself all the musicians were really

myself all the musicians were really

myself all the musicians were really skilled had quite sophisticated approach

skilled had quite sophisticated approach

skilled had quite sophisticated approach to their instruments at one point they

to their instruments at one point they

to their instruments at one point they were the favorite horse coming out of

were the favorite horse coming out of

were the favorite horse coming out of Seattle without Tad to me there'd be

Seattle without Tad to me there'd be

Seattle without Tad to me there'd be like a black hole or a gap it's like

like a black hole or a gap it's like

like a black hole or a gap it's like well where was like that really intense

well where was like that really intense

well where was like that really intense the raw of the raw they were the heav

the raw of the raw they were the heav

the raw of the raw they were the heav and the meanest and the darkest sounding

and the meanest and the darkest sounding

and the meanest and the darkest sounding band of the scene and I think that

band of the scene and I think that

band of the scene and I think that influenced a lot of

people I think of the Tad band I think

people I think of the Tad band I think

people I think of the Tad band I think of smoking pot smoke

pot like if their dressing room

pot like if their dressing room

pot like if their dressing room wasn't a smoky

wasn't a smoky

wasn't a smoky Haze I think the

bombs he's a real Miracle band a garage

bombs he's a real Miracle band a garage

bombs he's a real Miracle band a garage band that never grew

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[Music]

[Music] up it wasn't just because they were

up it wasn't just because they were

up it wasn't just because they were weird looking it was also because they

weird looking it was also because they

weird looking it was also because they were a good

were a good

were a good band

band

band shut

shut

shut shut shut

shut shut

shut shut [Music]

that's a cut there just take it back to

that's a cut there just take it back to

that's a cut there just take it back to the

the

the beginning

beginning

beginning action uh it was late 88 early '89 um

action uh it was late 88 early '89 um

action uh it was late 88 early '89 um and there was this this Regional sound

and there was this this Regional sound

and there was this this Regional sound in the air and we we felt like we were

in the air and we we felt like we were

in the air and we we felt like we were we were we were part of of of of the

we were we were part of of of of the

we were we were part of of of of the select group of people that were allowed

select group of people that were allowed

select group of people that were allowed to document it there wasn't a lot of you

to document it there wasn't a lot of you

to document it there wasn't a lot of you know National acts coming through or

know National acts coming through or

know National acts coming through or like a lot of good Indie acts coming

like a lot of good Indie acts coming

like a lot of good Indie acts coming through as much as later years so it was

through as much as later years so it was

through as much as later years so it was kind of like an isolated area where

kind of like an isolated area where

kind of like an isolated area where these people were coming up with music

these people were coming up with music

these people were coming up with music and uh they're mostly influencing each

and uh they're mostly influencing each

and uh they're mostly influencing each other not being too self-conscious about

other not being too self-conscious about

other not being too self-conscious about what they were doing that was the best

what they were doing that was the best

what they were doing that was the best thing about it was bands wanted to just

thing about it was bands wanted to just

thing about it was bands wanted to just they had a very clear artistic vision

they had a very clear artistic vision

they had a very clear artistic vision and that's what they wanted to pursue it

and that's what they wanted to pursue it

and that's what they wanted to pursue it wasn't like trying to think of what

wasn't like trying to think of what

wasn't like trying to think of what would get them signed or what would get

would get them signed or what would get

would get them signed or what would get them attention or what the fans would

them attention or what the fans would

them attention or what the fans would like it was more about what you know

like it was more about what you know

like it was more about what you know people were very much doing the music

people were very much doing the music

people were very much doing the music that they wanted to be doing making the

that they wanted to be doing making the

that they wanted to be doing making the records that they wanted to make

records that they wanted to make

records that they wanted to make commercial considerations hadn't really

commercial considerations hadn't really

commercial considerations hadn't really come into the picture yet there wasn't

come into the picture yet there wasn't

come into the picture yet there wasn't any inkling of any kind of idea like I'm

any inkling of any kind of idea like I'm

any inkling of any kind of idea like I'm going to get rich and famous from doing

going to get rich and famous from doing

going to get rich and famous from doing this there was

this there was

this there was no concept of it being a career it was

no concept of it being a career it was

no concept of it being a career it was just like here and now in the moment

just like here and now in the moment

just like here and now in the moment this is what we're doing I don't care if

this is what we're doing I don't care if

this is what we're doing I don't care if it's going to fall apart tomorrow I

it's going to fall apart tomorrow I

it's going to fall apart tomorrow I don't remember yesterday this is what

don't remember yesterday this is what

don't remember yesterday this is what we're doing

we're doing

we're doing now yeah it was great I I just remember

now yeah it was great I I just remember

now yeah it was great I I just remember it being vibrant exciting and Incredibly

it being vibrant exciting and Incredibly

it being vibrant exciting and Incredibly supportive and collaborative every all

supportive and collaborative every all

supportive and collaborative every all these bands are checking out everyone

these bands are checking out everyone

these bands are checking out everyone else's show and their tapes it didn't

else's show and their tapes it didn't

else's show and their tapes it didn't seem like there were any kind of like

seem like there were any kind of like

seem like there were any kind of like Petty rivalries or animosities people

Petty rivalries or animosities people

Petty rivalries or animosities people would come together and and it was a a

would come together and and it was a a

would come together and and it was a a positive

positive

positive supportive situation scene that made

supportive situation scene that made

supportive situation scene that made things a lot of

things a lot of

things a lot of [Music]

[Music]

[Music] fun all of a sudden you'd go to a you

fun all of a sudden you'd go to a you

fun all of a sudden you'd go to a you know a tad show and there would

know a tad show and there would

know a tad show and there would be hundreds of people there and hardly

be hundreds of people there and hardly

be hundreds of people there and hardly anyone that I knew man the sense of

anyone that I knew man the sense of

anyone that I knew man the sense of family

family

family or at least like familiarity was

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gone the whole grunge scene was really

gone the whole grunge scene was really

gone the whole grunge scene was really just an

just an

just an extension of rock and roll hype that has

extension of rock and roll hype that has

extension of rock and roll hype that has been going on since you know the colonel

been going on since you know the colonel

been going on since you know the colonel and Elvis Presley and even before that

and Elvis Presley and even before that

and Elvis Presley and even before that into one one word grunge it's like all

into one one word grunge it's like all

into one one word grunge it's like all new wave bands sound alike or all rock

new wave bands sound alike or all rock

new wave bands sound alike or all rock band sound alike and then uh one day the

band sound alike and then uh one day the

band sound alike and then uh one day the devil came and said uh you know we'll

devil came and said uh you know we'll

devil came and said uh you know we'll pay you guys more money and Play Satan

pay you guys more money and Play Satan

pay you guys more money and Play Satan Rock so we began to play sat satanic

Rock so we began to play sat satanic

Rock so we began to play sat satanic rock music and

rock music and

rock music and uh uh you know it's something we do but

uh uh you know it's something we do but

uh uh you know it's something we do but it's not like uh you we don't take it

it's not like uh you we don't take it

it's not like uh you we don't take it home with us we just leave it at the

office yes you wanted the best and you

office yes you wanted the best and you

office yes you wanted the best and you got it the hottest bed in the land

got it the hottest bed in the land

got it the hottest bed in the land [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] hey it was this one word that that kind

hey it was this one word that that kind

hey it was this one word that that kind of summed it all up and that's heavy

of summed it all up and that's heavy

of summed it all up and that's heavy we're here to destroy your

we're here to destroy your

we're here to destroy your hearing yeah Tad was the biggest thing I

hearing yeah Tad was the biggest thing I

hearing yeah Tad was the biggest thing I ever heard in in in my life because you

ever heard in in in my life because you

ever heard in in in my life because you know I'm I'm from fville Arkansas

know I'm I'm from fville Arkansas

know I'm I'm from fville Arkansas originally you know when I you know

originally you know when I you know

originally you know when I you know Black Sabbath Leonard skinnard and Black

Black Sabbath Leonard skinnard and Black

Black Sabbath Leonard skinnard and Black Sabbath you know there was there was

Sabbath you know there was there was

Sabbath you know there was there was nothing nothing you know remotely heavy

nothing nothing you know remotely heavy

nothing nothing you know remotely heavy it was just always you know like Garage

it was just always you know like Garage

it was just always you know like Garage Band Here Garage Band punk rock band

Band Here Garage Band punk rock band

Band Here Garage Band punk rock band here punk rock band hardcore band none

here punk rock band hardcore band none

here punk rock band hardcore band none of it was even close to the first time

of it was even close to the first time

of it was even close to the first time that I actually got to see those guys

that I actually got to see those guys

that I actually got to see those guys play Behemoth that was like the I was

play Behemoth that was like the I was

play Behemoth that was like the I was like well you know clearly this is what

like well you know clearly this is what

like well you know clearly this is what you want to be hearing and I and I was

you want to be hearing and I and I was

you want to be hearing and I and I was convinced that Tad was the best band out

convinced that Tad was the best band out

convinced that Tad was the best band out of all the bands I was getting to see at

of all the bands I was getting to see at

of all the bands I was getting to see at the off round Tad was just pretty much

the off round Tad was just pretty much

the off round Tad was just pretty much balls the wall kind of angst

I remember seeing Tad at a show at one

I remember seeing Tad at a show at one

I remember seeing Tad at a show at one of the clubs in Piner square and the

of the clubs in Piner square and the

of the clubs in Piner square and the sound was literally so heavy that I I

sound was literally so heavy that I I

sound was literally so heavy that I I felt like I was having a heart attack or

felt like I was having a heart attack or

felt like I was having a heart attack or something um because I it it it you know

something um because I it it it you know

something um because I it it it you know made your chest cavity actually be T is

made your chest cavity actually be T is

made your chest cavity actually be T is so loud and just so heavy we would play

so loud and just so heavy we would play

so loud and just so heavy we would play so loud that I would like almost pass

so loud that I would like almost pass

so loud that I would like almost pass out

out

out [Music]

you see a guy that big moving around

you see a guy that big moving around

you see a guy that big moving around that much and there's skinny ass little

that much and there's skinny ass little

that much and there's skinny ass little 18-year-olds that cannot rock that hard

18-year-olds that cannot rock that hard

18-year-olds that cannot rock that hard not only that but you put in between it

not only that but you put in between it

not only that but you put in between it the onstage banter I mean the guy is

the onstage banter I mean the guy is

the onstage banter I mean the guy is quick you know so it's like almost

quick you know so it's like almost

quick you know so it's like almost seeing you get badass Rock and standup

seeing you get badass Rock and standup

seeing you get badass Rock and standup comedy allinone I extremely fat and

comedy allinone I extremely fat and

comedy allinone I extremely fat and overweight and you're not I'm pissed off

overweight and you're not I'm pissed off

overweight and you're not I'm pissed off godamn

godamn

godamn it hey I'm told you're supposed to take

it hey I'm told you're supposed to take

it hey I'm told you're supposed to take care of my microphone needs

care of my microphone needs

care of my microphone needs tonight they're all

tonight they're all

tonight they're all up but I mean it really I do you guys

up but I mean it really I do you guys

up but I mean it really I do you guys don't know me I really mean you all

don't know me I really mean you all

don't know me I really mean you all of you you

you know you had kurtt Danielson who

you know you had kurtt Danielson who

you know you had kurtt Danielson who like would headbang through the entire

like would headbang through the entire

like would headbang through the entire set to see somebody who would do that

set to see somebody who would do that

set to see somebody who would do that with such intensity I mean you kind of

with such intensity I mean you kind of

with such intensity I mean you kind of thought that he was he may be having

thought that he was he may be having

thought that he was he may be having some kind of seizure Tad was this big

some kind of seizure Tad was this big

some kind of seizure Tad was this big guy dwarfing his guitar and have this

guy dwarfing his guitar and have this

guy dwarfing his guitar and have this huge guy jumping out and into a crowd

huge guy jumping out and into a crowd

huge guy jumping out and into a crowd and the crowd like mill the show he uh

and the crowd like mill the show he uh

and the crowd like mill the show he uh he stage dived and crushed a few people

it was uh something that people are

it was uh something that people are

it was uh something that people are probably telling their children at this

probably telling their children at this

probably telling their children at this moment and the legend will be passed on

moment and the legend will be passed on

moment and the legend will be passed on to their children and so forth well I

to their children and so forth well I

to their children and so forth well I just remember once in Portland when tad

just remember once in Portland when tad

just remember once in Portland when tad just ran backwards and he ran

just ran backwards and he ran

just ran backwards and he ran into his guitar stack all thing just

into his guitar stack all thing just

into his guitar stack all thing just went

went

went flying and he went kind of flying too

flying and he went kind of flying too

flying and he went kind of flying too and that just freaked me out man and

and that just freaked me out man and

and that just freaked me out man and just to see Tad like wailing around and

just to see Tad like wailing around and

just to see Tad like wailing around and his guitar is like un you know like not

his guitar is like un you know like not

his guitar is like un you know like not strapped and he's still will to jump in

strapped and he's still will to jump in

strapped and he's still will to jump in the crowd or something if you listen to

the crowd or something if you listen to

the crowd or something if you listen to Tad and you didn't have a visual image

Tad and you didn't have a visual image

Tad and you didn't have a visual image for them you would think these are you

for them you would think these are you

for them you would think these are you know this is the Seattle version of

know this is the Seattle version of

know this is the Seattle version of Sonic Youth in some ways these are

Sonic Youth in some ways these are

Sonic Youth in some ways these are sophisticated hipsters creating this

sophisticated hipsters creating this

sophisticated hipsters creating this very deep and sophisticated sound it was

very deep and sophisticated sound it was

very deep and sophisticated sound it was like well this is great and this what

like well this is great and this what

like well this is great and this what Tad's doing this is great it's like he's

Tad's doing this is great it's like he's

Tad's doing this is great it's like he's totally you know like pushing envelope

totally you know like pushing envelope

totally you know like pushing envelope this is you know about as anti- Radio

this is you know about as anti- Radio

this is you know about as anti- Radio Rock as you're going to get which it was

Rock as you're going to get which it was

Rock as you're going to get which it was like was cool cuz that's where we're all

like was cool cuz that's where we're all

like was cool cuz that's where we're all like oh this is you know I want to be

like oh this is you know I want to be

like oh this is you know I want to be anti- Radio Rock I want to do this

anti- Radio Rock I want to do this

anti- Radio Rock I want to do this [Music]

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[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

stuff I had uh gotten a tax return from

stuff I had uh gotten a tax return from

stuff I had uh gotten a tax return from uh

uh

uh 1986 I took my whole tax return in I

1986 I took my whole tax return in I

1986 I took my whole tax return in I come from being a drummer in a band that

come from being a drummer in a band that

come from being a drummer in a band that was my main

was my main

was my main instrument and I I bought a guitar and

instrument and I I bought a guitar and

instrument and I I bought a guitar and wanted to play guitar and I had this

wanted to play guitar and I had this

wanted to play guitar and I had this little champ amp which is right there um

little champ amp which is right there um

little champ amp which is right there um and I played that and came up with these

and I played that and came up with these

and I played that and came up with these ideas and uh and I I just wanted to try

ideas and uh and I I just wanted to try

ideas and uh and I I just wanted to try it out and see how it would sound and

it out and see how it would sound and

it out and see how it would sound and went into a a studio called reciprocal

went into a a studio called reciprocal

went into a a studio called reciprocal with uh Jack and Dino there was no click

with uh Jack and Dino there was no click

with uh Jack and Dino there was no click tracks he did the drum track and then he

tracks he did the drum track and then he

tracks he did the drum track and then he came in and overdubbed the guitar car

came in and overdubbed the guitar car

came in and overdubbed the guitar car overdubbed some bass and then did the

overdubbed some bass and then did the

overdubbed some bass and then did the vocals and that became his first 7 in on

vocals and that became his first 7 in on

vocals and that became his first 7 in on the subpop

the subpop

the subpop label some food I got to move some got

label some food I got to move some got

label some food I got to move some got to chame the Beast I got to chame the

to chame the Beast I got to chame the

to chame the Beast I got to chame the Beast got to rock in my hand I remember

Beast got to rock in my hand I remember

Beast got to rock in my hand I remember taking it to work that the next day a

taking it to work that the next day a

taking it to work that the next day a cassette of it I worked with Tad uh at

cassette of it I worked with Tad uh at

cassette of it I worked with Tad uh at musac at ' 87 until the spring of ' 88 I

musac at ' 87 until the spring of ' 88 I

musac at ' 87 until the spring of ' 88 I was working in the cartridge cleaning

was working in the cartridge cleaning

was working in the cartridge cleaning room that's my first job there and I was

room that's my first job there and I was

room that's my first job there and I was working with Mark arm it was a totally

working with Mark arm it was a totally

working with Mark arm it was a totally loud room and we'd be cranking like you

loud room and we'd be cranking like you

loud room and we'd be cranking like you know the Butthole Surfers or scratch

know the Butthole Surfers or scratch

know the Butthole Surfers or scratch acid or the first dinosaur record you

acid or the first dinosaur record you

acid or the first dinosaur record you know and I remember one day like pad

know and I remember one day like pad

know and I remember one day like pad came in with this these songs that he'

came in with this these songs that he'

came in with this these songs that he' recorded Bruce pavic came in and he had

recorded Bruce pavic came in and he had

recorded Bruce pavic came in and he had this crazy look on his face like you

this crazy look on his face like you

this crazy look on his face like you know what's this you know and then he

know what's this you know and then he

know what's this you know and then he like walked out of the room like his

like walked out of the room like his

like walked out of the room like his mind was blown and then he came back a

mind was blown and then he came back a

mind was blown and then he came back a little later he said we start talking

little later he said we start talking

little later he said we start talking about you I said man maybe uh we could

about you I said man maybe uh we could

about you I said man maybe uh we could put something out and he goes yeah I'd

put something out and he goes yeah I'd

put something out and he goes yeah I'd love to put it out a single Bruce was

love to put it out a single Bruce was

love to put it out a single Bruce was Bor away and he played it for

[Applause]

me I thought it was amazing and

me I thought it was amazing and

me I thought it was amazing and here's the one interesting thing every

here's the one interesting thing every

here's the one interesting thing every band had established itself as a as Al

band had established itself as a as Al

band had established itself as a as Al live a per Performing artist in many

live a per Performing artist in many

live a per Performing artist in many cases years before they recorded Tad was

cases years before they recorded Tad was

cases years before they recorded Tad was a recording artist years before there

a recording artist years before there

a recording artist years before there was a band Tad there was the guy Tad the

was a band Tad there was the guy Tad the

was a band Tad there was the guy Tad the response to that single was so good that

response to that single was so good that

response to that single was so good that he said well you know maybe I should

he said well you know maybe I should

he said well you know maybe I should actually get another drummer and get a

actually get another drummer and get a

actually get another drummer and get a bass player and get a guitarist and and

bass player and get a guitarist and and

bass player and get a guitarist and and have a band

told me that he was uh recording a

told me that he was uh recording a

told me that he was uh recording a single uh with Jack and Dino uh at

single uh with Jack and Dino uh at

single uh with Jack and Dino uh at reciprocal and uh did I want to come

reciprocal and uh did I want to come

reciprocal and uh did I want to come down and check out what he was working

down and check out what he was working

down and check out what he was working on and I was like yeah yeah I was like

on and I was like yeah yeah I was like

on and I was like yeah yeah I was like really Blown Away with what Tad was

really Blown Away with what Tad was

really Blown Away with what Tad was doing all by himself I mean he was

doing all by himself I mean he was

doing all by himself I mean he was playing all the instruments writing all

playing all the instruments writing all

playing all the instruments writing all the stuff and it was really impressive

the stuff and it was really impressive

the stuff and it was really impressive the band I was in bundle of His used to

the band I was in bundle of His used to

the band I was in bundle of His used to play gigs with with h hour which is a

play gigs with with h hour which is a

play gigs with with h hour which is a band that Tad used to play drums for and

band that Tad used to play drums for and

band that Tad used to play drums for and uh that's when Tad and I met I didn't

uh that's when Tad and I met I didn't

uh that's when Tad and I met I didn't realize it at the time but but Tad was

realize it at the time but but Tad was

realize it at the time but but Tad was planning on switching to guitar and

planning on switching to guitar and

planning on switching to guitar and quitting the drums and H hour broke up

quitting the drums and H hour broke up

quitting the drums and H hour broke up uh over that issue and others perhaps

uh over that issue and others perhaps

uh over that issue and others perhaps Kurt and I got along really well and we

Kurt and I got along really well and we

Kurt and I got along really well and we shared similar humor and uh so that's

shared similar humor and uh so that's

shared similar humor and uh so that's kind of how it started there and I I had

kind of how it started there and I I had

kind of how it started there and I I had always been a fan of a drummer who was

always been a fan of a drummer who was

always been a fan of a drummer who was playing a band called death and taxes at

playing a band called death and taxes at

playing a band called death and taxes at the time and that wound up being Steve

the time and that wound up being Steve

the time and that wound up being Steve weed our keyboard had just moved to

weed our keyboard had just moved to

weed our keyboard had just moved to Califor

Califor

Califor and uh we were like wow what do we do

and uh we were like wow what do we do

and uh we were like wow what do we do now so Tad you know he talked to sub pop

now so Tad you know he talked to sub pop

now so Tad you know he talked to sub pop and he got to single out and stuff so I

and he got to single out and stuff so I

and he got to single out and stuff so I was like okay that sounds cool let's do

was like okay that sounds cool let's do

was like okay that sounds cool let's do it you know so and uh Kurt knew about a

it you know so and uh Kurt knew about a

it you know so and uh Kurt knew about a guy that was playing guitar Gary had

guy that was playing guitar Gary had

guy that was playing guitar Gary had been uh in a band with Jonathan paman

been uh in a band with Jonathan paman

been uh in a band with Jonathan paman and so I called up John and I I had seen

and so I called up John and I I had seen

and so I called up John and I I had seen Gary play with John before in in a band

Gary play with John before in in a band

Gary play with John before in in a band they had a band together called the tree

they had a band together called the tree

they had a band together called the tree climbers and I was just blown away by

climbers and I was just blown away by

climbers and I was just blown away by his guitar playing

his guitar playing

his guitar playing so we asked Gary to come in and I said

so we asked Gary to come in and I said

so we asked Gary to come in and I said well why don't we just get these two

well why don't we just get these two

well why don't we just get these two guys together and we'll start seeing how

guys together and we'll start seeing how

guys together and we'll start seeing how it works and uh that's what became the

it works and uh that's what became the

it works and uh that's what became the first incarnation of Tad when the band

first incarnation of Tad when the band

first incarnation of Tad when the band got together for example we encouraged

got together for example we encouraged

got together for example we encouraged them just to call the band Tad versus

them just to call the band Tad versus

them just to call the band Tad versus any other name because uh Tad had such

any other name because uh Tad had such

any other name because uh Tad had such uh pronounced personality and such a

uh pronounced personality and such a

uh pronounced personality and such a presence that we we felt that the media

presence that we we felt that the media

presence that we we felt that the media would warm up to T

would warm up to T

would warm up to T how do you feel about what happened to

how do you feel about what happened to

how do you feel about what happened to Seattle what happened to it a hype Oh I

Seattle what happened to it a hype Oh I

Seattle what happened to it a hype Oh I thought you me blew up or something

thought you me blew up or something

thought you me blew up or something earthquake oh my God uh the hype well it

earthquake oh my God uh the hype well it

earthquake oh my God uh the hype well it it's just that nothing but hype Seattle

it's just that nothing but hype Seattle

it's just that nothing but hype Seattle was was a nice friendly little college

was was a nice friendly little college

was was a nice friendly little college town uh you know a maritime City a port

town uh you know a maritime City a port

town uh you know a maritime City a port city right on the water very nice rains

city right on the water very nice rains

city right on the water very nice rains a little bit too much but uh there a few

a little bit too much but uh there a few

a little bit too much but uh there a few rock bands uh just like in any other

rock bands uh just like in any other

rock bands uh just like in any other City but then there was a record label

subpop Bruce and I went into business on

subpop Bruce and I went into business on

subpop Bruce and I went into business on a full-time basis over at 1932 1 Avenue

a full-time basis over at 1932 1 Avenue

a full-time basis over at 1932 1 Avenue which is where our first office was on

which is where our first office was on

which is where our first office was on April 1st 1988 April Fool's Day so we've

April 1st 1988 April Fool's Day so we've

April 1st 1988 April Fool's Day so we've always used that as being kind of the

always used that as being kind of the

always used that as being kind of the beginning of the company we felt there

beginning of the company we felt there

beginning of the company we felt there was a certain Vibe going on in the city

was a certain Vibe going on in the city

was a certain Vibe going on in the city all these groups were playing a kind of

all these groups were playing a kind of

all these groups were playing a kind of a

a

a sludger grung he Punk metal sound uh

sludger grung he Punk metal sound uh

sludger grung he Punk metal sound uh that was super

that was super

that was super [Music]

powerful she come to

powerful she come to

powerful she come to house so as a label we were trying to

house so as a label we were trying to

house so as a label we were trying to capture the essence of that scene we

capture the essence of that scene we

capture the essence of that scene we weren't sure how long that sound was

weren't sure how long that sound was

weren't sure how long that sound was going to last or where it was going to

going to last or where it was going to

going to last or where it was going to go but we wanted to document it because

go but we wanted to document it because

go but we wanted to document it because we thought there was there was a

we thought there was there was a

we thought there was there was a definite scene there in the sound

[Applause]

they knew what they wanted they had a

they knew what they wanted they had a

they knew what they wanted they had a concept for the label both

concept for the label both

concept for the label both visually uh in terms of live photographs

visually uh in terms of live photographs

visually uh in terms of live photographs and graphics and sonically with with

and graphics and sonically with with

and graphics and sonically with with with a kind of regional sound they they

with a kind of regional sound they they

with a kind of regional sound they they felt it and saw it developing as well

felt it and saw it developing as well

felt it and saw it developing as well and they wanted to document it and it

and they wanted to document it and it

and they wanted to document it and it was like recognizing a chemical reaction

was like recognizing a chemical reaction

was like recognizing a chemical reaction occurring keep in mind these are two

occurring keep in mind these are two

occurring keep in mind these are two guys that you know went to a community

guys that you know went to a community

guys that you know went to a community colleges and one of them you know his

colleges and one of them you know his

colleges and one of them you know his degree was basically smoking pot and

degree was basically smoking pot and

degree was basically smoking pot and spinning records you know all of a

spinning records you know all of a

spinning records you know all of a sudden their passion and their what

sudden their passion and their what

sudden their passion and their what where their heart lies is becoming a

where their heart lies is becoming a

where their heart lies is becoming a business

business

business in our own modest way we were trying to

in our own modest way we were trying to

in our own modest way we were trying to recreate something that that would

recreate something that that would

recreate something that that would stimulate people's imagination because

stimulate people's imagination because

stimulate people's imagination because there are hundreds of thousands of bands

there are hundreds of thousands of bands

there are hundreds of thousands of bands out there and there always are millions

out there and there always are millions

out there and there always are millions of bands and the way that you're going

of bands and the way that you're going

of bands and the way that you're going to make a distinction is by of course

to make a distinction is by of course

to make a distinction is by of course first and foremost making music that

first and foremost making music that

first and foremost making music that people care about but they also want to

people care about but they also want to

people care about but they also want to care about the people who are making the

care about the people who are making the

care about the people who are making the music and that you know you create a a a

music and that you know you create a a a

music and that you know you create a a a mythology if you just say hey you know

mythology if you just say hey you know

mythology if you just say hey you know we're a rock band from Seattle and we

we're a rock band from Seattle and we

we're a rock band from Seattle and we practice a lot in our garage and we have

practice a lot in our garage and we have

practice a lot in our garage and we have you know we work at Kinkos and you know

you know we work at Kinkos and you know

you know we work at Kinkos and you know we hate our day jobs and we want to be

we hate our day jobs and we want to be

we hate our day jobs and we want to be rock stars it's

rock stars it's

rock stars it's like you know that man you know you

like you know that man you know you

like you know that man you know you and everybody else you know but you want

and everybody else you know but you want

and everybody else you know but you want to like create this whole sense that you

to like create this whole sense that you

to like create this whole sense that you know this is we're an invading horde and

know this is we're an invading horde and

know this is we're an invading horde and you know we live on mountains and we eat

you know we live on mountains and we eat

you know we live on mountains and we eat raw flesh and we going to come and rape

raw flesh and we going to come and rape

raw flesh and we going to come and rape your

your

your children they played the roll to a

children they played the roll to a

children they played the roll to a te we're from Seattle

te we're from Seattle

te we're from Seattle [Music]

[Music]

[Music] Washington we we play rock and roll punk

Washington we we play rock and roll punk

Washington we we play rock and roll punk rock rock and roll don't be shy don't

rock rock and roll don't be shy don't

rock rock and roll don't be shy don't piss me off and whatever you do stand

piss me off and whatever you do stand

piss me off and whatever you do stand back because we're going to blow your

back because we're going to blow your

back because we're going to blow your nuts off if you got any

nuts off if you got any

nuts off if you got any [Music]

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] not only did you have an incredibly

not only did you have an incredibly

not only did you have an incredibly heavy sound but Tad was kind of an icon

heavy sound but Tad was kind of an icon

heavy sound but Tad was kind of an icon of heaviness and uh visually lent uh

of heaviness and uh visually lent uh

of heaviness and uh visually lent uh another level of intensity to the

another level of intensity to the

another level of intensity to the [Music]

[Music]

[Music] music just this giant dude with a full

music just this giant dude with a full

music just this giant dude with a full beard reflecto Shades some kind of crazy

beard reflecto Shades some kind of crazy

beard reflecto Shades some kind of crazy trucker hat an ed Gan t-shirt and he

trucker hat an ed Gan t-shirt and he

trucker hat an ed Gan t-shirt and he looked like somebody you know he looked

looked like somebody you know he looked

looked like somebody you know he looked like like a he looked like a trucker or

like like a he looked like a trucker or

like like a he looked like a trucker or like some kind of scary serial killer

like some kind of scary serial killer

like some kind of scary serial killer and you know Kurt Danielson looked

and you know Kurt Danielson looked

and you know Kurt Danielson looked exactly the same you know like Ju Just

exactly the same you know like Ju Just

exactly the same you know like Ju Just as scary he looked like some kind of

as scary he looked like some kind of

as scary he looked like some kind of crazy redneck Lumberjack or something

crazy redneck Lumberjack or something

crazy redneck Lumberjack or something and they just looked dangerous and there

and they just looked dangerous and there

and they just looked dangerous and there was nothing cute about them they were

was nothing cute about them they were

was nothing cute about them they were really really scary looking band I hope

really really scary looking band I hope

really really scary looking band I hope I didn't offend any of your college YY

I didn't offend any of your college YY

I didn't offend any of your college YY types and Kan your mother says your turn

types and Kan your mother says your turn

types and Kan your mother says your turn up turns into a casserole at midnight

up turns into a casserole at midnight

up turns into a casserole at midnight your turns into a pumpkin at

your turns into a pumpkin at

your turns into a pumpkin at one and you better not go home with Bill

one and you better not go home with Bill

one and you better not go home with Bill I'm going to spank

I'm going to spank

I'm going to spank your in reality you know he was so

your in reality you know he was so

your in reality you know he was so different from the character that was

different from the character that was

different from the character that was being concocted I mean I I I remember

being concocted I mean I I I remember

being concocted I mean I I I remember going out uh taking some pictures on the

going out uh taking some pictures on the

going out uh taking some pictures on the set of their wood goblins

set of their wood goblins

set of their wood goblins video and I had to show Tad how to like

video and I had to show Tad how to like

video and I had to show Tad how to like you know start up the chainsaw we all

you know start up the chainsaw we all

you know start up the chainsaw we all knew that that's not really Tad who Tad

knew that that's not really Tad who Tad

knew that that's not really Tad who Tad is but of course you know the label and

is but of course you know the label and

is but of course you know the label and the band to a degree you know wanted to

the band to a degree you know wanted to

the band to a degree you know wanted to play that

play that

play that up I think the guys in subpop thought

up I think the guys in subpop thought

up I think the guys in subpop thought this was cute it pissed me off and all

this was cute it pissed me off and all

this was cute it pissed me off and all the interviews we did for that year or

the interviews we did for that year or

the interviews we did for that year or afterwards I would always make a point

afterwards I would always make a point

afterwards I would always make a point the band sound guard make a point of

the band sound guard make a point of

the band sound guard make a point of saying this guy is like brilliant and

saying this guy is like brilliant and

saying this guy is like brilliant and he's like smart as hell and the whole

he's like smart as hell and the whole

he's like smart as hell and the whole band is smart as hell but the

band is smart as hell but the

band is smart as hell but the initial Mark I think the initial

initial Mark I think the initial

initial Mark I think the initial single had like on the label Tad

single had like on the label Tad

single had like on the label Tad scrawling you know like backward letters

scrawling you know like backward letters

scrawling you know like backward letters Hi my name is Tad trying to Market this

Hi my name is Tad trying to Market this

Hi my name is Tad trying to Market this sort of uh you know folky Savant sort of

sort of uh you know folky Savant sort of

sort of uh you know folky Savant sort of character you know kind of huge

character you know kind of huge

character you know kind of huge monster of a man who somehow makes his

monster of a man who somehow makes his

monster of a man who somehow makes his beautiful music people give too much

beautiful music people give too much

beautiful music people give too much emphasis on the personal story which is

emphasis on the personal story which is

emphasis on the personal story which is important with folk artists and and in

important with folk artists and and in

important with folk artists and and in popular culture But ultimately you know

popular culture But ultimately you know

popular culture But ultimately you know who does the work stand on its own is it

who does the work stand on its own is it

who does the work stand on its own is it beautiful we definitely wanted to be

beautiful we definitely wanted to be

beautiful we definitely wanted to be exploited there was no question about it

exploited there was no question about it

exploited there was no question about it um and there we didn't have many

um and there we didn't have many

um and there we didn't have many Scruples about how it was done uh so

Scruples about how it was done uh so

Scruples about how it was done uh so long as it succeeded later perhaps we

long as it succeeded later perhaps we

long as it succeeded later perhaps we had some regrets that that we were boxed

had some regrets that that we were boxed

had some regrets that that we were boxed into this this grunge category and not

into this this grunge category and not

into this this grunge category and not only that that we're always being

only that that we're always being

only that that we're always being referred do as this band that was headed

referred do as this band that was headed

referred do as this band that was headed by a 300 lb ex butcher etc etc etc and

by a 300 lb ex butcher etc etc etc and

by a 300 lb ex butcher etc etc etc and we felt like uh that people came to see

we felt like uh that people came to see

we felt like uh that people came to see us for those reasons instead of the fact

us for those reasons instead of the fact

us for those reasons instead of the fact that we had songs that were worth

that we had songs that were worth

that we had songs that were worth listening to I think a lot of the Bands

listening to I think a lot of the Bands

listening to I think a lot of the Bands you know Nirvana and to a lesser degree

you know Nirvana and to a lesser degree

you know Nirvana and to a lesser degree Tad sort of resented it just hype you

Tad sort of resented it just hype you

Tad sort of resented it just hype you know and that hype I I've got to say

know and that hype I I've got to say

know and that hype I I've got to say helped Propel all of the Bands I don't

helped Propel all of the Bands I don't

helped Propel all of the Bands I don't it's by no means

it's by no means

it's by no means solely responsible I think as the years

solely responsible I think as the years

solely responsible I think as the years went by he came to

went by he came to

went by he came to appreciate you know that there's a

appreciate you know that there's a

appreciate you know that there's a certain

certain

certain Artistry in in the

Artistry in in the

Artistry in in the creation of the mythology this is hate

creation of the mythology this is hate

creation of the mythology this is hate number 17 is where he appeared and um at

number 17 is where he appeared and um at

number 17 is where he appeared and um at the time the TV show The Simpsons

the time the TV show The Simpsons

the time the TV show The Simpsons started having a lot of celebrity guest

started having a lot of celebrity guest

started having a lot of celebrity guest stars so I thought it'd be funny since I

stars so I thought it'd be funny since I

stars so I thought it'd be funny since I just did this lowly cruddy comic book to

just did this lowly cruddy comic book to

just did this lowly cruddy comic book to do the same to have a celebrity gu star

do the same to have a celebrity gu star

do the same to have a celebrity gu star so I I um wrote Tad into this one story

so I I um wrote Tad into this one story

so I I um wrote Tad into this one story and uh the idea behind it was um the

and uh the idea behind it was um the

and uh the idea behind it was um the main character in the comic uh in in in

main character in the comic uh in in in

main character in the comic uh in in in hey buddy Bradley he had this friend

hey buddy Bradley he had this friend

hey buddy Bradley he had this friend named stinky and stinky is the type of

named stinky and stinky is the type of

named stinky and stinky is the type of guy that even though the average person

guy that even though the average person

guy that even though the average person never heard of Ted you know to stinky

never heard of Ted you know to stinky

never heard of Ted you know to stinky that would be like meeting a God you

that would be like meeting a God you

that would be like meeting a God you know it's like oh my God it's it's Tad I

know it's like oh my God it's it's Tad I

know it's like oh my God it's it's Tad I can't believe it and the other thing

can't believe it and the other thing

can't believe it and the other thing that was very funny is because Tad had

that was very funny is because Tad had

that was very funny is because Tad had used to have this reputation of being a

used to have this reputation of being a

used to have this reputation of being a wild guy or a party animal a lot of

wild guy or a party animal a lot of

wild guy or a party animal a lot of people like younger people would always

people like younger people would always

people like younger people would always say I want to party with Tad that'd be a

say I want to party with Tad that'd be a

say I want to party with Tad that'd be a phrase that I used to hear a lot or like

phrase that I used to hear a lot or like

phrase that I used to hear a lot or like people would always ask me did you party

people would always ask me did you party

people would always ask me did you party with Tad I hear it's awesome to party

with Tad I hear it's awesome to party

with Tad I hear it's awesome to party with Tad I want to party with Tad and so

with Tad I want to party with Tad and so

with Tad I want to party with Tad and so I thought it'd be funny to have this

I thought it'd be funny to have this

I thought it'd be funny to have this character stinky meet him and say we're

character stinky meet him and say we're

character stinky meet him and say we're going to party with

going to party with

going to party with Dad so that's how that came about and of

Dad so that's how that came about and of

Dad so that's how that came about and of course as soon as the comic came out uh

course as soon as the comic came out uh

course as soon as the comic came out uh more people than not said who the hell

more people than not said who the hell

more people than not said who the hell is Dad

it's

Tad and it's totally

Tad and it's totally

Tad and it's totally heavy Tad available at awesome record

heavy Tad available at awesome record

heavy Tad available at awesome record stores near you on subpop the uh first

stores near you on subpop the uh first

stores near you on subpop the uh first official Tad release on

official Tad release on

official Tad release on subpop

subpop

subpop was the uh

the album called God's

balls and we thought it was you know

balls and we thought it was you know

balls and we thought it was you know cocky enough too and you know somewhat

shocking the band really had like a

shocking the band really had like a

shocking the band really had like a great sense of humor I remember um Ted

great sense of humor I remember um Ted

great sense of humor I remember um Ted coming in going this is the heaviest

coming in going this is the heaviest

coming in going this is the heaviest album title we could come up with was

album title we could come up with was

album title we could come up with was God's balls was just Kurt Danielson had

God's balls was just Kurt Danielson had

God's balls was just Kurt Danielson had a porno video that he saw and it was uh

a porno video that he saw and it was uh

a porno video that he saw and it was uh some priest getting a from a nun

some priest getting a from a nun

some priest getting a from a nun he would scream God's balls God's balls

he would scream God's balls God's balls

he would scream God's balls God's balls that feels good God's balls that feels

that feels good God's balls that feels

that feels good God's balls that feels good I thought God that's a great line

good I thought God that's a great line

good I thought God that's a great line and uh so I kept it in mind and when we

and uh so I kept it in mind and when we

and uh so I kept it in mind and when we were in the studio recording I I just

were in the studio recording I I just

were in the studio recording I I just mentioned it to to indino I said that's

mentioned it to to indino I said that's

mentioned it to to indino I said that's the title you have to use that title

the title you have to use that title

the title you have to use that title we'd make jokes about that and we always

we'd make jokes about that and we always

we'd make jokes about that and we always were making jokes about porno movies

were making jokes about porno movies

were making jokes about porno movies so that's where the title came from no

so that's where the title came from no

so that's where the title came from no know that the sgm really liked it that

know that the sgm really liked it that

know that the sgm really liked it that was

was

was a Seattle gay newspaper they really

a Seattle gay newspaper they really

a Seattle gay newspaper they really liked

liked

liked it

it

it my S

R

don't you

don't you

don't you will

will

will my I believe that John was was there uh

my I believe that John was was there uh

my I believe that John was was there uh for this particular session and I

for this particular session and I

for this particular session and I remember seeing him in the control room

remember seeing him in the control room

remember seeing him in the control room banging his

banging his

banging his head so I was really pleased to see a

head so I was really pleased to see a

head so I was really pleased to see a friend getting into the music Kurt had

friend getting into the music Kurt had

friend getting into the music Kurt had really good

really good

really good lyrics and we had good ideas that we

lyrics and we had good ideas that we

lyrics and we had good ideas that we just like we wanted to hammer uh just a

just like we wanted to hammer uh just a

just like we wanted to hammer uh just a riff you know and uh have a have a

riff you know and uh have a have a

riff you know and uh have a have a Groove to it too that was our main thing

Groove to it too that was our main thing

Groove to it too that was our main thing I think that's really what set us apart

I think that's really what set us apart

I think that's really what set us apart from a lot of bands the rest of the

from a lot of bands the rest of the

from a lot of bands the rest of the subpop crowd was was all about the

subpop crowd was was all about the

subpop crowd was was all about the keep it simple keep it basic keep it

keep it simple keep it basic keep it

keep it simple keep it basic keep it rocking sort of thing and Tad's thing

rocking sort of thing and Tad's thing

rocking sort of thing and Tad's thing was always to try and go a little

was always to try and go a little

was always to try and go a little further you know let's play around with

further you know let's play around with

further you know let's play around with Melody experiment with arrangements and

Melody experiment with arrangements and

Melody experiment with arrangements and still keep it brutal Kurt and I when we

still keep it brutal Kurt and I when we

still keep it brutal Kurt and I when we started playing together we decided that

started playing together we decided that

started playing together we decided that we wanted to we want to be as low and

we wanted to we want to be as low and

we wanted to we want to be as low and and and nasty we were going for the

and and nasty we were going for the

and and nasty we were going for the brown note you know and we used to make

brown note you know and we used to make

brown note you know and we used to make jokes about that you know like what

jokes about that you know like what

jokes about that you know like what happened to your concer last night well

happened to your concer last night well

happened to your concer last night well three people their pants and here

three people their pants and here

three people their pants and here we were uh working working together as a

we were uh working working together as a

we were uh working working together as a band uh after meeting only two weeks

band uh after meeting only two weeks

band uh after meeting only two weeks before and having only practiced a few

before and having only practiced a few

before and having only practiced a few times and boom the stuff just came

times and boom the stuff just came

times and boom the stuff just came [Music]

[Music]

[Music] out on bris pav just really wanted to to

out on bris pav just really wanted to to

out on bris pav just really wanted to to feature Tad and you know his sort of

feature Tad and you know his sort of

feature Tad and you know his sort of almost like a mug shot kind of of thing

almost like a mug shot kind of of thing

almost like a mug shot kind of of thing and uh really play up the personality of

and uh really play up the personality of

and uh really play up the personality of of this individual I remember my mom

of this individual I remember my mom

of this individual I remember my mom when I showed her the record when she

when I showed her the record when she

when I showed her the record when she was still alive she goes she saw the

was still alive she goes she saw the

was still alive she goes she saw the picture and she saw me smiling she goes

picture and she saw me smiling she goes

picture and she saw me smiling she goes oh you look so good and then she saw the

oh you look so good and then she saw the

oh you look so good and then she saw the title she say oh Dad how could you why

title she say oh Dad how could you why

title she say oh Dad how could you why why did you name the record that and it

why did you name the record that and it

why did you name the record that and it was disappointing for reason but then

was disappointing for reason but then

was disappointing for reason but then she'd go back and like well you're

she'd go back and like well you're

she'd go back and like well you're smiling that looks good that's nice nice

smiling that looks good that's nice nice

smiling that looks good that's nice nice boy

boy

boy uh this is

uh this is

uh this is [Music]

Tad there was always a a really great

Tad there was always a a really great

Tad there was always a a really great crowd reaction at Tad

crowd reaction at Tad

crowd reaction at Tad gigs I think Tad was really the really

gigs I think Tad was really the really

gigs I think Tad was really the really good at at working up the audience

good at at working up the audience

good at at working up the audience actually some of the the best photos I

actually some of the the best photos I

actually some of the the best photos I got were of Kurt the bass player and

got were of Kurt the bass player and

got were of Kurt the bass player and he's actually featured in my book touch

he's actually featured in my book touch

he's actually featured in my book touch bam sick there's a double page spread

bam sick there's a double page spread

bam sick there's a double page spread one where he's smoking out of a bong and

one where he's smoking out of a bong and

one where he's smoking out of a bong and then the other where later that evening

then the other where later that evening

then the other where later that evening he's he's on stage he had an amazing

he's he's on stage he had an amazing

he's he's on stage he had an amazing presence you know as far as being a bass

presence you know as far as being a bass

presence you know as far as being a bass player goes I know that Tad and Kurt

player goes I know that Tad and Kurt

player goes I know that Tad and Kurt were kind of always the core of the band

were kind of always the core of the band

were kind of always the core of the band and those guys seemed closer than

and those guys seemed closer than

and those guys seemed closer than anybody else funny as and very well

anybody else funny as and very well

anybody else funny as and very well read highly educated and uh great

read highly educated and uh great

read highly educated and uh great songwriter he was uh getting an English

songwriter he was uh getting an English

songwriter he was uh getting an English degree and he was very focused on

degree and he was very focused on

degree and he was very focused on becoming a poet so you know he used to

becoming a poet so you know he used to

becoming a poet so you know he used to kind of hang out at this uh this is kind

kind of hang out at this uh this is kind

kind of hang out at this uh this is kind of before espresso blew up really huge

of before espresso blew up really huge

of before espresso blew up really huge this coffee shop called the Allegro

this coffee shop called the Allegro

this coffee shop called the Allegro drinking espresso hanging out with a

drinking espresso hanging out with a

drinking espresso hanging out with a bnch bunch of beatnik types you know

bnch bunch of beatnik types you know

bnch bunch of beatnik types you know he'd wore like a beret on occasion like

he'd wore like a beret on occasion like

he'd wore like a beret on occasion like Kurt Danielson went from this guy who

Kurt Danielson went from this guy who

Kurt Danielson went from this guy who was like sipping APR so going to poetry

was like sipping APR so going to poetry

was like sipping APR so going to poetry readings uh you know very nice very nice

readings uh you know very nice very nice

readings uh you know very nice very nice wearing a beret to

wearing a beret to

wearing a beret to uh this guy who made this t-shirt hand

uh this guy who made this t-shirt hand

uh this guy who made this t-shirt hand scrolled in giant letters stinky

scrolled in giant letters stinky

scrolled in giant letters stinky stinks stinky stinks on it and

stinks stinky stinks on it and

stinks stinky stinks on it and it's like dude you are as politically

it's like dude you are as politically

it's like dude you are as politically incorrect as any human being I have ever

incorrect as any human being I have ever

incorrect as any human being I have ever met it was like he just tossed his uh

met it was like he just tossed his uh

met it was like he just tossed his uh balir and Ry books out the window and

balir and Ry books out the window and

balir and Ry books out the window and said it if somebody in 1989 said

said it if somebody in 1989 said

said it if somebody in 1989 said yeah I know Kurt I'm buddies with Kurt

yeah I know Kurt I'm buddies with Kurt

yeah I know Kurt I'm buddies with Kurt it was Kurt Danielson not Kurt

it was Kurt Danielson not Kurt

it was Kurt Danielson not Kurt Cobain you ready Kurt Danielson was a

Cobain you ready Kurt Danielson was a

Cobain you ready Kurt Danielson was a very popular musician a friendly guy had

very popular musician a friendly guy had

very popular musician a friendly guy had been in a number of bands very talented

been in a number of bands very talented

been in a number of bands very talented musician had a great amount of respect

musician had a great amount of respect

musician had a great amount of respect and when people said Kurt's got a new

and when people said Kurt's got a new

and when people said Kurt's got a new band they were talking about Danielson

band they were talking about Danielson

band they were talking about Danielson and not Cobain

and not Cobain

and not Cobain [Music]

that was the best and most effective

that was the best and most effective

that was the best and most effective Sonic representation of the way that the

Sonic representation of the way that the

Sonic representation of the way that the Tad band sound actually sounded live and

Tad band sound actually sounded live and

Tad band sound actually sounded live and uh I think Steve Albini just completely

uh I think Steve Albini just completely

uh I think Steve Albini just completely understood the

understood the

understood the band we were tired when we came back we

band we were tired when we came back we

band we were tired when we came back we put a lot into it we poured ourselves

put a lot into it we poured ourselves

put a lot into it we poured ourselves into it and you know we did this EP you

into it and you know we did this EP you

into it and you know we did this EP you eight seven songs in 3 days recording

eight seven songs in 3 days recording

eight seven songs in 3 days recording and mixing it was it was like the

and mixing it was it was like the

and mixing it was it was like the recording of an accident of a car

recording of an accident of a car

recording of an accident of a car accident nothing rehearsed it was just a

accident nothing rehearsed it was just a

accident nothing rehearsed it was just a collision and it was on tape when we got

collision and it was on tape when we got

collision and it was on tape when we got you know the rough mixes of that I this

you know the rough mixes of that I this

you know the rough mixes of that I this is back in the age of cassette tapes I I

is back in the age of cassette tapes I I

is back in the age of cassette tapes I I wore that tape down in like two weeks I

wore that tape down in like two weeks I

wore that tape down in like two weeks I had listen to it over and over and over

had listen to it over and over and over

had listen to it over and over and over and

and

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over she got a to be she's got an A to

over she got a to be she's got an A to

over she got a to be she's got an A to she's blower

she 2

she 2

she 2 [Music]

well the name of my Kurt Cobain

well the name of my Kurt Cobain

well the name of my Kurt Cobain biography heavier than Heaven comes from

biography heavier than Heaven comes from

biography heavier than Heaven comes from a line that I liked that I discovered uh

a line that I liked that I discovered uh

a line that I liked that I discovered uh was what English journalists had

was what English journalists had

was what English journalists had nicknamed the tour of Tad and Nirvana

nicknamed the tour of Tad and Nirvana

nicknamed the tour of Tad and Nirvana that went through England early in their

that went through England early in their

that went through England early in their careers they called it the heavier than

careers they called it the heavier than

careers they called it the heavier than Heaven tour and that name came both from

Heaven tour and that name came both from

Heaven tour and that name came both from the fact that the sound of the bands was

the fact that the sound of the bands was

the fact that the sound of the bands was very very heavy it came from Tad's girth

very very heavy it came from Tad's girth

very very heavy it came from Tad's girth this was a heavy band and it also came

this was a heavy band and it also came

this was a heavy band and it also came from the sort of ethereal sound that

from the sort of ethereal sound that

from the sort of ethereal sound that that some of I think Kurt Cobain's

that some of I think Kurt Cobain's

that some of I think Kurt Cobain's songwriting was already starting to

songwriting was already starting to

songwriting was already starting to approach that tour with Tad was the tour

approach that tour with Tad was the tour

approach that tour with Tad was the tour you know these were the neutron bomb

you know these were the neutron bomb

you know these were the neutron bomb bands of of Seattle

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it was good cuz we'd seen these guys

it was good cuz we'd seen these guys

it was good cuz we'd seen these guys play and they they became good friends

play and they they became good friends

play and they they became good friends here on state side and then we're going

here on state side and then we're going

here on state side and then we're going over to Europe together on a

over to Europe together on a

over to Europe together on a co-headlining tour as a band you get to

co-headlining tour as a band you get to

co-headlining tour as a band you get to know your fellow band members and if you

know your fellow band members and if you

know your fellow band members and if you go out with with another band then you

go out with with another band then you

go out with with another band then you get to know them just as if they were in

get to know them just as if they were in

get to know them just as if they were in your band too especially since we were

your band too especially since we were

your band too especially since we were sharing the same van both bands were in

sharing the same van both bands were in

sharing the same van both bands were in this Euro van and they have the tall you

this Euro van and they have the tall you

this Euro van and they have the tall you know luggage area we had all our

know luggage area we had all our

know luggage area we had all our t-shirts all our gear all of us plus our

t-shirts all our gear all of us plus our

t-shirts all our gear all of us plus our sound man plus our driver all crammed in

sound man plus our driver all crammed in

sound man plus our driver all crammed in the same Fiat van the same standard Fiat

the same Fiat van the same standard Fiat

the same Fiat van the same standard Fiat van everybody tours in you know a big

van everybody tours in you know a big

van everybody tours in you know a big guy and uh Nova solich is a tall guy and

guy and uh Nova solich is a tall guy and

guy and uh Nova solich is a tall guy and I remember seeing him all hunched up

I remember seeing him all hunched up

I remember seeing him all hunched up like in a seat like this wherever cuz

like in a seat like this wherever cuz

like in a seat like this wherever cuz they're small seats you know so we were

they're small seats you know so we were

they're small seats you know so we were all just crammed in this van there was

all just crammed in this van there was

all just crammed in this van there was really any room to even move the stories

really any room to even move the stories

really any room to even move the stories that people told me it was literally

that people told me it was literally

that people told me it was literally like the joking they say a Chinese fire

like the joking they say a Chinese fire

like the joking they say a Chinese fire drill if somebody had to go to the

drill if somebody had to go to the

drill if somebody had to go to the bathroom they had to unpack all the the

bathroom they had to unpack all the the

bathroom they had to unpack all the the gear maybe I might have had the best

gear maybe I might have had the best

gear maybe I might have had the best luck being the smallest of everybody

luck being the smallest of everybody

luck being the smallest of everybody there it was it was it was quite an

there it was it was it was quite an

there it was it was it was quite an experience it was a lot of work we were

experience it was a lot of work we were

experience it was a lot of work we were young and naive and we didn't care that

young and naive and we didn't care that

young and naive and we didn't care that we wanted to work our asses off we we

we wanted to work our asses off we we

we wanted to work our asses off we we wanted to sacrifice ourselves for the

wanted to sacrifice ourselves for the

wanted to sacrifice ourselves for the music we believed in and this was a

music we believed in and this was a

music we believed in and this was a chance to do it and I remembering

chance to do it and I remembering

chance to do it and I remembering playing in the UK with Nirvana and it's

playing in the UK with Nirvana and it's

playing in the UK with Nirvana and it's just just complete mehem kids dropping

just just complete mehem kids dropping

just just complete mehem kids dropping down from the the rafters one after the

down from the the rafters one after the

down from the the rafters one after the other just floating off the stages just

other just floating off the stages just

other just floating off the stages just like constantly didn't know what to make

like constantly didn't know what to make

like constantly didn't know what to make of it at the time like wow this was

of it at the time like wow this was

of it at the time like wow this was pretty bizarre

because we have hindsight you know

because we have hindsight you know

because we have hindsight you know Nirvana went and became huge everyone

Nirvana went and became huge everyone

Nirvana went and became huge everyone thinks that that tour and many of those

thinks that that tour and many of those

thinks that that tour and many of those early shows that all anyone talked about

early shows that all anyone talked about

early shows that all anyone talked about Was Nirvana and that's not true at all

Was Nirvana and that's not true at all

Was Nirvana and that's not true at all Tad got just as much ink and attention

Tad got just as much ink and attention

Tad got just as much ink and attention as Nirvana did you know on that that

as Nirvana did you know on that that

as Nirvana did you know on that that tour they were truly co-headliners it

tour they were truly co-headliners it

tour they were truly co-headliners it wasn't that Nirvana was even bigger than

wasn't that Nirvana was even bigger than

wasn't that Nirvana was even bigger than Tad there was one person that you could

Tad there was one person that you could

Tad there was one person that you could pull out and go okay we wanted to do a

pull out and go okay we wanted to do a

pull out and go okay we wanted to do a photo shoot with this guy because he

photo shoot with this guy because he

photo shoot with this guy because he embodies the this kind of Northwest

embodies the this kind of Northwest

embodies the this kind of Northwest Americana I think the British audience

Americana I think the British audience

Americana I think the British audience was getting really fed up with the the

was getting really fed up with the the

was getting really fed up with the the lightness of a lot of the Indie British

lightness of a lot of the Indie British

lightness of a lot of the Indie British pop that was coming out what was really

pop that was coming out what was really

pop that was coming out what was really fun is you know we were switching off

fun is you know we were switching off

fun is you know we were switching off night after night there you know one

night after night there you know one

night after night there you know one night Tad would headline then and then

night Tad would headline then and then

night Tad would headline then and then the next night we would and then just go

the next night we would and then just go

the next night we would and then just go back and forth I remember it took

back and forth I remember it took

back and forth I remember it took Nirvana took us a about a week or so a

Nirvana took us a about a week or so a

Nirvana took us a about a week or so a couple weeks into the tour to finally

couple weeks into the tour to finally

couple weeks into the tour to finally kind of find our groove and start

kind of find our groove and start

kind of find our groove and start playing well like just making the

playing well like just making the

playing well like just making the transition it took a while to get up to

transition it took a while to get up to

transition it took a while to get up to get up to speed but then we started

get up to speed but then we started

get up to speed but then we started playing well and see we would open for

playing well and see we would open for

playing well and see we would open for Tad in the UK because Tad were in the

Tad in the UK because Tad were in the

Tad in the UK because Tad were in the music newspapers and so we were like the

music newspapers and so we were like the

music newspapers and so we were like the opening act and we had lots of great

opening act and we had lots of great

opening act and we had lots of great conversations we came we became Brothers

conversations we came we became Brothers

conversations we came we became Brothers I remember you know uh Kurt telling me

I remember you know uh Kurt telling me

I remember you know uh Kurt telling me the stories of that tour and and he lit

the stories of that tour and and he lit

the stories of that tour and and he lit up like you never saw him lit up he

up like you never saw him lit up he

up like you never saw him lit up he described so wonderfully when Tad also

described so wonderfully when Tad also

described so wonderfully when Tad also was vomiting a lot and and Cobain became

was vomiting a lot and and Cobain became

was vomiting a lot and and Cobain became just fascinated with it Kurt would

just fascinated with it Kurt would

just fascinated with it Kurt would always light up during that time and

always light up during that time and

always light up during that time and like get up from laying down you know

like get up from laying down you know

like get up from laying down you know laying down backstage and hold the

laying down backstage and hold the

laying down backstage and hold the bucket for me and laugh he enjoyed them

bucket for me and laugh he enjoyed them

bucket for me and laugh he enjoyed them more than anybody else did certainly I

more than anybody else did certainly I

more than anybody else did certainly I think more than Dad

think more than Dad

think more than Dad did we great it you know like how was

did we great it you know like how was

did we great it you know like how was that one well I'd say you know on chunk

that one well I'd say you know on chunk

that one well I'd say you know on chunk wise it was a seven and and he says

wise it was a seven and and he says

wise it was a seven and and he says you're you got tears coming out of your

you're you got tears coming out of your

you're you got tears coming out of your eyes I'd say that's good one for

eyes I'd say that's good one for

eyes I'd say that's good one for velocity and Kurt had a great amount of

velocity and Kurt had a great amount of

velocity and Kurt had a great amount of respect for Tad and for everybody in

respect for Tad and for everybody in

respect for Tad and for everybody in that band Tad as I ride in heavier than

that band Tad as I ride in heavier than

that band Tad as I ride in heavier than heaven in some ways became Kurt's Muse

heaven in some ways became Kurt's Muse

heaven in some ways became Kurt's Muse for a couple of months he wrote you know

for a couple of months he wrote you know

for a couple of months he wrote you know a couple of songs about Tad at least

a couple of songs about Tad at least

a couple of songs about Tad at least about the weird bodily fluids

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they rejected Uh Wood goblins because

they rejected Uh Wood goblins because

they rejected Uh Wood goblins because according to them it was too

according to them it was too

according to them it was too ugly which was we we kind of thought

ugly which was we we kind of thought

ugly which was we we kind of thought kind of

kind of

kind of cool being too ugly for MTV during the

cool being too ugly for MTV during the

cool being too ugly for MTV during the era of uh Cherry Pie and skidrow and

era of uh Cherry Pie and skidrow and

era of uh Cherry Pie and skidrow and like that I don't know it's kind of

like that I don't know it's kind of

like that I don't know it's kind of cool

they aired a later video claiming

they aired a later video claiming

they aired a later video claiming claiming that that uh they had been uh

claiming that that uh they had been uh

claiming that that uh they had been uh criticized for not airing Tad videos but

criticized for not airing Tad videos but

criticized for not airing Tad videos but that's not true cuz we're going to air

that's not true cuz we're going to air

that's not true cuz we're going to air one right now and then they aired a

one right now and then they aired a

one right now and then they aired a later one that was not nearly as heavy

later one that was not nearly as heavy

later one that was not nearly as heavy or as

or as

or as [Music]

ugly and my boss was like yeah Tad Tad

ugly and my boss was like yeah Tad Tad

ugly and my boss was like yeah Tad Tad ripped out the urinal out of the wall

ripped out the urinal out of the wall

ripped out the urinal out of the wall damn it and I was like somebody ripped a

damn it and I was like somebody ripped a

damn it and I was like somebody ripped a Ural out of a wall and I was like Tad

Ural out of a wall and I was like Tad

Ural out of a wall and I was like Tad who's Tad does he work here he's the

who's Tad does he work here he's the

who's Tad does he work here he's the rock Lord and Master he really is

rock Lord and Master he really is

rock Lord and Master he really is everybody respects him as a musician

everybody respects him as a musician

everybody respects him as a musician he's a a musical genius um he studied

he's a a musical genius um he studied

he's a a musical genius um he studied classical percussion and mastered uh

classical percussion and mastered uh

classical percussion and mastered uh musical Theory so that when uh it came

musical Theory so that when uh it came

musical Theory so that when uh it came to playing Rock drums it was like

to playing Rock drums it was like

to playing Rock drums it was like stealing candy from a baby people who

stealing candy from a baby people who

stealing candy from a baby people who are fans of the band and don't know him

are fans of the band and don't know him

are fans of the band and don't know him at all they'd be might be surprised to

at all they'd be might be surprised to

at all they'd be might be surprised to know that he is hardly the scary insane

know that he is hardly the scary insane

know that he is hardly the scary insane guy that he portrays himself to be and

guy that he portrays himself to be and

guy that he portrays himself to be and he's like one of the sweetest funniest

he's like one of the sweetest funniest

he's like one of the sweetest funniest kindest people I've ever met when I

kindest people I've ever met when I

kindest people I've ever met when I finally got to meet him he he said

finally got to meet him he he said

finally got to meet him he he said something like um hi my name is

something like um hi my name is

something like um hi my name is uh Thomas Doyle nice to meet you and he

uh Thomas Doyle nice to meet you and he

uh Thomas Doyle nice to meet you and he was like the nicest dude I ever met in

was like the nicest dude I ever met in

was like the nicest dude I ever met in my life I couldn't imagine that he was

my life I couldn't imagine that he was

my life I couldn't imagine that he was the urinal Destroyer you know that I

the urinal Destroyer you know that I

the urinal Destroyer you know that I heard about well when Ted comes at you

heard about well when Ted comes at you

heard about well when Ted comes at you and speaks to you for the first time uh

and speaks to you for the first time uh

and speaks to you for the first time uh and you don't know what to expect if

and you don't know what to expect if

and you don't know what to expect if he's angry he's really tells you what's

he's angry he's really tells you what's

he's angry he's really tells you what's on his mind but the big thing about Ted

on his mind but the big thing about Ted

on his mind but the big thing about Ted is he's a Huggy Bear he's a real

is he's a Huggy Bear he's a real

is he's a Huggy Bear he's a real pussycat and if you get to know Ted you

pussycat and if you get to know Ted you

pussycat and if you get to know Ted you basically you're running you're dealing

basically you're running you're dealing

basically you're running you're dealing with one of the nicest guys you'll ever

with one of the nicest guys you'll ever

with one of the nicest guys you'll ever me in your life I can't think of one

me in your life I can't think of one

me in your life I can't think of one person and I'm not saying this as simply

person and I'm not saying this as simply

person and I'm not saying this as simply as a bump but in 20 years I can't think

as a bump but in 20 years I can't think

as a bump but in 20 years I can't think of anyone who had uh had a personal

of anyone who had uh had a personal

of anyone who had uh had a personal criticism with a guy he was someone that

criticism with a guy he was someone that

criticism with a guy he was someone that everyone always loved and every band had

everyone always loved and every band had

everyone always loved and every band had had its you

had its you

had its you know I might have been that guy for a

know I might have been that guy for a

know I might have been that guy for a bit who knows I think our band kind kind

bit who knows I think our band kind kind

bit who knows I think our band kind kind of rotated the you know but T

of rotated the you know but T

of rotated the you know but T Tad wasn't that many people will cite

Tad wasn't that many people will cite

Tad wasn't that many people will cite 8way Santa as being

8way Santa as being

8way Santa as being you know the defining record and in many

you know the defining record and in many

you know the defining record and in many ways it really was it was very versatile

ways it really was it was very versatile

ways it really was it was very versatile some amazing memorable songs on

some amazing memorable songs on

some amazing memorable songs on the record working with Butch fig you

the record working with Butch fig you

the record working with Butch fig you know this is ahead of his recording

know this is ahead of his recording

know this is ahead of his recording never

mind so it's a great sounding record the

mind so it's a great sounding record the

mind so it's a great sounding record the band's very confident you know there was

band's very confident you know there was

band's very confident you know there was a lot of um internal distress during the

a lot of um internal distress during the

a lot of um internal distress during the recording of that record I know that

recording of that record I know that

recording of that record I know that that's that record led to the

that's that record led to the

that's that record led to the ultimate you know fragmenting of the of

ultimate you know fragmenting of the of

ultimate you know fragmenting of the of Tad mock

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[Applause] one we knew we had some really good

one we knew we had some really good

one we knew we had some really good songs and we really gotten our legs

songs and we really gotten our legs

songs and we really gotten our legs together and we knew how each other were

together and we knew how each other were

together and we knew how each other were playing and this was Steve's last record

playing and this was Steve's last record

playing and this was Steve's last record he

he

he uh was I think not fully satisfied with

uh was I think not fully satisfied with

uh was I think not fully satisfied with the Direction the band was going in but

the Direction the band was going in but

the Direction the band was going in but I don't think he really knew what

I don't think he really knew what

I don't think he really knew what direction he wanted to go in himself he

direction he wanted to go in himself he

direction he wanted to go in himself he was not uh cooperative and didn't want

was not uh cooperative and didn't want

was not uh cooperative and didn't want to play at certain times of the day and

to play at certain times of the day and

to play at certain times of the day and it actually came down to a point where

it actually came down to a point where

it actually came down to a point where we had to get we had to get some things

we had to get we had to get some things

we had to get we had to get some things done and I said okay Steve I'm going to

done and I said okay Steve I'm going to

done and I said okay Steve I'm going to play drums then Tad had a

play drums then Tad had a

play drums then Tad had a very uh set idea of how he wanted the

very uh set idea of how he wanted the

very uh set idea of how he wanted the drums to be he really wanted Steve to

drums to be he really wanted Steve to

drums to be he really wanted Steve to just to lay down a solid foundation and

just to lay down a solid foundation and

just to lay down a solid foundation and that was it and there was a bit of a

that was it and there was a bit of a

that was it and there was a bit of a disagreement over this and um so Steve

disagreement over this and um so Steve

disagreement over this and um so Steve retired to the uh upstairs office and I

retired to the uh upstairs office and I

retired to the uh upstairs office and I think he drank maybe 14 beers and he

think he drank maybe 14 beers and he

think he drank maybe 14 beers and he came down and one take he played the the

came down and one take he played the the

came down and one take he played the the the drum part perfectly just the way Tad

the drum part perfectly just the way Tad

the drum part perfectly just the way Tad wanted

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[Music] drumming on the rest of the record is

drumming on the rest of the record is

drumming on the rest of the record is phenomenal just perfect uh but from that

phenomenal just perfect uh but from that

phenomenal just perfect uh but from that point onward he felt like he he was

point onward he felt like he he was

point onward he felt like he he was being told what to do and no longer was

being told what to do and no longer was

being told what to do and no longer was it a spontaneous natural thing and there

it a spontaneous natural thing and there

it a spontaneous natural thing and there was a bit of resentment and I think that

was a bit of resentment and I think that

was a bit of resentment and I think that was what contributed to his

decision man got no style he one in

decision man got no style he one in

decision man got no style he one in quite a while well we just got done um

quite a while well we just got done um

quite a while well we just got done um recording it in Madison and uh I I

recording it in Madison and uh I I

recording it in Madison and uh I I pretty much made my mind up at that

pretty much made my mind up at that

pretty much made my mind up at that point don't remember why but when we got

point don't remember why but when we got

point don't remember why but when we got back I did you know take the picture in

back I did you know take the picture in

back I did you know take the picture in the back of the album that the PE fair

the back of the album that the PE fair

the back of the album that the PE fair and that was it I'm done yeah little

and that was it I'm done yeah little

and that was it I'm done yeah little Vans and stuff and I mean I just miss

Vans and stuff and I mean I just miss

Vans and stuff and I mean I just miss Tom too much I guess if you're out on

Tom too much I guess if you're out on

Tom too much I guess if you're out on the road and you're away from home and

the road and you're away from home and

the road and you're away from home and you know you don't have the same bed

you know you don't have the same bed

you know you don't have the same bed every night you know the Comforts that

every night you know the Comforts that

every night you know the Comforts that most people enjoy it can get to you for

most people enjoy it can get to you for

most people enjoy it can get to you for that record I mean we we we'd been

that record I mean we we we'd been

that record I mean we we we'd been playing together and that's you know

playing together and that's you know

playing together and that's you know we're starting to get that you know that

we're starting to get that you know that

we're starting to get that you know that psychic thing that was happening the

psychic thing that was happening the

psychic thing that was happening the unspoken musical feel we're riding

unspoken musical feel we're riding

unspoken musical feel we're riding together as a unit it it was really a

together as a unit it it was really a

together as a unit it it was really a good special time for the band and it

good special time for the band and it

good special time for the band and it was uh before a lot of the uh craziness

was uh before a lot of the uh craziness

was uh before a lot of the uh craziness went on with the major label Feeding

went on with the major label Feeding

went on with the major label Feeding Frenzy in Seattle

Frenzy in Seattle

Frenzy in Seattle and uh it was good and it was innocent

and uh it was good and it was innocent

and uh it was good and it was innocent and it was honest and

and it was honest and

and it was honest and pure and

pure and

pure and uh it was

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[Music]

[Music] fun if you better leave me

fun if you better leave me

fun if you better leave me alone if you better get away

alone if you better get away

alone if you better get away better lick my

better lick my

better lick my wounds hope will die

wounds hope will die

wounds hope will die someday and you better give me a shot

someday and you better give me a shot

someday and you better give me a shot and you better say your

and you better say your

and you better say your spells and you better give me a lot and

spells and you better give me a lot and

spells and you better give me a lot and you better not ever

you better not ever

you better not ever tell but you can never Escape my voice

tell but you can never Escape my voice

tell but you can never Escape my voice and you can never Escape your choice you

and you can never Escape your choice you

and you can never Escape your choice you can never escape a

can never escape a

can never escape a back cuz you know there ain't no way

back cuz you know there ain't no way

back cuz you know there ain't no way back

back

back back no way

back no way

back no way back don't

back don't

back don't back don't

back we wanted to go out and promote

back we wanted to go out and promote

back we wanted to go out and promote that record uh right away but we

that record uh right away but we

that record uh right away but we couldn't because we didn't have a

couldn't because we didn't have a

couldn't because we didn't have a drummer

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so we did touring with him for 8way

so we did touring with him for 8way

so we did touring with him for 8way Santa please welcome

Santa please welcome

Santa please welcome [Applause]

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Tad

Tad

Tad yeah

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[Music] I

I

I yeah all

yeah all

yeah all [Music]

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[Music] well I think I lost my life I think I

well I think I lost my life I think I

well I think I lost my life I think I lost I think I lost

lost I think I lost

lost I think I lost tonight lost my

way yeah

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intense excitement that's what it's all

about well you know what I think we

about well you know what I think we

about well you know what I think we we're going to head over to uh Boise

we're going to head over to uh Boise

we're going to head over to uh Boise Idaho I

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[Applause] my I

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man that's

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[Music] beautiful I've enjoying one of my

beautiful I've enjoying one of my

beautiful I've enjoying one of my pastimes which is drinking in

pastimes which is drinking in

pastimes which is drinking in bed bottle

bed bottle

bed bottle here cup

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here

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[Music] we just hit the road we got to the venue

we just hit the road we got to the venue

we just hit the road we got to the venue and there was a phone call from our

and there was a phone call from our

and there was a phone call from our attorney and I I just knew it was bad

attorney and I I just knew it was bad

attorney and I I just knew it was bad news when you get a phone call from your

news when you get a phone call from your

news when you get a phone call from your attorney generally it's not good news

attorney generally it's not good news

attorney generally it's not good news and um and sure enough uh he said uh

and um and sure enough uh he said uh

and um and sure enough uh he said uh look you know that photograph that's on

look you know that photograph that's on

look you know that photograph that's on the cover those people

the cover those people

the cover those people um they they saw it and they're suing

um they they saw it and they're suing

um they they saw it and they're suing you

over to a friend's house and uh they

over to a friend's house and uh they

over to a friend's house and uh they they had been to a thrift store and they

they had been to a thrift store and they

they had been to a thrift store and they had a photo album they just bought the

had a photo album they just bought the

had a photo album they just bought the photo album so they could put photos in

photo album so they could put photos in

photo album so they could put photos in it but they already had photos in them

it but they already had photos in them

it but they already had photos in them we turned the page to this one shot and

we turned the page to this one shot and

we turned the page to this one shot and it was this woman and this

it was this woman and this

it was this woman and this man and the guy looked like he was in

man and the guy looked like he was in

man and the guy looked like he was in Nazareth you know he had the full-on big

Nazareth you know he had the full-on big

Nazareth you know he had the full-on big handlebar mustache and long hair and

handlebar mustache and long hair and

handlebar mustache and long hair and they're just both cooked to the gills

they're just both cooked to the gills

they're just both cooked to the gills they're both stoned you could tell they

they're both stoned you could tell they

they're both stoned you could tell they had that kind of I'd look to him and and

had that kind of I'd look to him and and

had that kind of I'd look to him and and the woman wasn't she was wearing a

the woman wasn't she was wearing a

the woman wasn't she was wearing a bandana for a bra and he was holding her

bandana for a bra and he was holding her

bandana for a bra and he was holding her and they were just grinning ear to

and they were just grinning ear to

and they were just grinning ear to ear took that photo and we showed it to

ear took that photo and we showed it to

ear took that photo and we showed it to Bruce and much like that look he saw

Bruce and much like that look he saw

Bruce and much like that look he saw when I played in The Single for the

when I played in The Single for the

when I played in The Single for the first time he's

first time he's

first time he's like oh my God this is awesome and he

like oh my God this is awesome and he

like oh my God this is awesome and he says can I take this and he took it and

says can I take this and he took it and

says can I take this and he took it and he had somebody do some enhan color

he had somebody do some enhan color

he had somebody do some enhan color enhancements and he to this day it's one

enhancements and he to this day it's one

enhancements and he to this day it's one of my favorite covers ever in the

of my favorite covers ever in the

of my favorite covers ever in the history of uh subpop little did we know

history of uh subpop little did we know

history of uh subpop little did we know though we should have considered it at

though we should have considered it at

though we should have considered it at the time this

the time this

the time this couple though they had split up they

couple though they had split up they

couple though they had split up they still were in the Seattle area and they

still were in the Seattle area and they

still were in the Seattle area and they went into Tower Records one of them went

went into Tower Records one of them went

went into Tower Records one of them went into Tower Records do you have this

into Tower Records do you have this

into Tower Records do you have this record and the clerk was like yeah we

record and the clerk was like yeah we

record and the clerk was like yeah we got like 20 or 30 of them right over

got like 20 or 30 of them right over

got like 20 or 30 of them right over here and this is not at a time of CDs

here and this is not at a time of CDs

here and this is not at a time of CDs this is still vinyl still quite

this is still vinyl still quite

this is still vinyl still quite prominent so this is Big Picture she's

prominent so this is Big Picture she's

prominent so this is Big Picture she's is like freaking out oh my God this is a

is like freaking out oh my God this is a

is like freaking out oh my God this is a part of my past I don't want to remember

part of my past I don't want to remember

part of my past I don't want to remember you go what the you know except

you go what the you know except

you go what the you know except they didn't say what the I think it

they didn't say what the I think it

they didn't say what the I think it they have become Born Again

they have become Born Again

they have become Born Again Christians so they were saying like what

Christians so they were saying like what

Christians so they were saying like what thy we had built up this head of

thy we had built up this head of

thy we had built up this head of steam and we finally get a story it was

steam and we finally get a story it was

steam and we finally get a story it was just the wrong story because at that

just the wrong story because at that

just the wrong story because at that point in time the bigger the record

point in time the bigger the record

point in time the bigger the record became the more damages they could sue

became the more damages they could sue

became the more damages they could sue us for so we're suddenly place where

us for so we're suddenly place where

us for so we're suddenly place where we're trying to no no no no no it's

we're trying to no no no no no it's

we're trying to no no no no no it's really it's a small record and uh it's

really it's a small record and uh it's

really it's a small record and uh it's going to stay a small record and they

going to stay a small record and they

going to stay a small record and they thought oh we're going to be

thought oh we're going to be

thought oh we're going to be millionaires after this or something

millionaires after this or something

millionaires after this or something like that I I have no idea what they

like that I I have no idea what they

like that I I have no idea what they thought typically when records are

thought typically when records are

thought typically when records are released they're going to do most of

released they're going to do most of

released they're going to do most of their sales in the first four to six

their sales in the first four to six

their sales in the first four to six weeks so to have your record pulled two

weeks so to have your record pulled two

weeks so to have your record pulled two weeks into it um that really it I think

weeks into it um that really it I think

weeks into it um that really it I think it it hurt Ted's career a bit and we had

it it hurt Ted's career a bit and we had

it it hurt Ted's career a bit and we had to re-engineer the artwork and get

to re-engineer the artwork and get

to re-engineer the artwork and get something back out and it was it was

something back out and it was it was

something back out and it was it was pretty challenging this is a big deal

pretty challenging this is a big deal

pretty challenging this is a big deal record this is a record where we were

record this is a record where we were

record this is a record where we were going to break Tad also at that time we

going to break Tad also at that time we

going to break Tad also at that time we released a CD single

released a CD single

released a CD single [Music]

[Music]

[Music] Jack

Jack

Jack Jack

Jack

Jack [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] Jack Jack

Jack Jack

Jack Jack [Music]

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[Music]

[Music] there was a particular employee who we

there was a particular employee who we

there was a particular employee who we let

let

let go who I remember just being hateful and

go who I remember just being hateful and

go who I remember just being hateful and I swear to God though I cannot prove it

I swear to God though I cannot prove it

I swear to God though I cannot prove it to this day that this particular

to this day that this particular

to this day that this particular employee made aware that we had

employee made aware that we had

employee made aware that we had infringed on their logo for the Jack

infringed on their logo for the Jack

infringed on their logo for the Jack single where we basically used the logo

single where we basically used the logo

single where we basically used the logo only we put Tad in the middle of the

only we put Tad in the middle of the

only we put Tad in the middle of the logo ex employee who was pissed off at

logo ex employee who was pissed off at

logo ex employee who was pissed off at the company otherwise we probably would

the company otherwise we probably would

the company otherwise we probably would have gotten away with it as our way of

have gotten away with it as our way of

have gotten away with it as our way of saying shouldn't have fired me Bros was

saying shouldn't have fired me Bros was

saying shouldn't have fired me Bros was not too stoked thinking that uh their

not too stoked thinking that uh their

not too stoked thinking that uh their name of their product would be involved

name of their product would be involved

name of their product would be involved in uh the possibility of drunk driving

in uh the possibility of drunk driving

in uh the possibility of drunk driving and so we heard from Council

and so we heard from Council

and so we heard from Council and they were like you know we're going

and they were like you know we're going

and they were like you know we're going to sue you for millions of

to sue you for millions of

to sue you for millions of dollars you know you're get out

dollars you know you're get out

dollars you know you're get out of the business go back to being a fry

of the business go back to being a fry

of the business go back to being a fry cook get out of our Lives get out of our

cook get out of our Lives get out of our

cook get out of our Lives get out of our face we're going to kill you crush you

face we're going to kill you crush you

face we're going to kill you crush you Etc the label still hadn't sold Nirvana

Etc the label still hadn't sold Nirvana

Etc the label still hadn't sold Nirvana or anything or maybe was about to but

or anything or maybe was about to but

or anything or maybe was about to but that's a lot of money to put out there

that's a lot of money to put out there

that's a lot of money to put out there and I think it really it really made it

and I think it really it really made it

and I think it really it really made it hard to get a second win to the record

hard to get a second win to the record

hard to get a second win to the record even though the record it was

even though the record it was

even though the record it was [Music]

amazing controversy sells if you have

amazing controversy sells if you have

amazing controversy sells if you have distribution unfortunately what Tad

distribution unfortunately what Tad

distribution unfortunately what Tad suffered from was controversy without

suffered from was controversy without

suffered from was controversy without distribution so suddenly you had all

distribution so suddenly you had all

distribution so suddenly you had all these people talking about this record

these people talking about this record

these people talking about this record that had pissed

that had pissed

that had pissed off um but that record couldn't be found

off um but that record couldn't be found

off um but that record couldn't be found anywhere and you know that was a very

anywhere and you know that was a very

anywhere and you know that was a very unfortunate incident I think over time

unfortunate incident I think over time

unfortunate incident I think over time it was more just a nuisance in in in

it was more just a nuisance in in in

it was more just a nuisance in in in retrospect you know

retrospect you know

retrospect you know because here was this like punk rock

because here was this like punk rock

because here was this like punk rock band SL metal band not out to like mess

band SL metal band not out to like mess

band SL metal band not out to like mess up anybody's life or anything you know

up anybody's life or anything you know

up anybody's life or anything you know we're just out doing what we do and

we're just out doing what we do and

we're just out doing what we do and having fun doing it and all of a sudden

having fun doing it and all of a sudden

having fun doing it and all of a sudden we got all these

we got all these

we got all these weird chain of events

weird chain of events

weird chain of events happening it was really bizarre kind of

happening it was really bizarre kind of

happening it was really bizarre kind of comic looking back at it but at the time

comic looking back at it but at the time

comic looking back at it but at the time frustrating as

frustrating as

frustrating as hell P loves me this I know cuz Bruce

hell P loves me this I know cuz Bruce

hell P loves me this I know cuz Bruce pav told me

so the are weak and they are strong yes

so the are weak and they are strong yes

so the are weak and they are strong yes pman loves

pman loves

pman loves me yes pman loves

me yes pman loves

me yes pman loves me yes pman loves me you know why now

me yes pman loves me you know why now

me yes pman loves me you know why now cuz Bruce pavit told me so

by this time there had been so much uh

by this time there had been so much uh

by this time there had been so much uh frustration uh and so much uh ranker and

frustration uh and so much uh ranker and

frustration uh and so much uh ranker and and bitter feeling uh that was really

and bitter feeling uh that was really

and bitter feeling uh that was really nobody's fault um but it it had to find

nobody's fault um but it it had to find

nobody's fault um but it it had to find a Target somewhere and generally bands

a Target somewhere and generally bands

a Target somewhere and generally bands rail against their labels so and a tried

rail against their labels so and a tried

rail against their labels so and a tried and true tradition and we did the same

and true tradition and we did the same

and true tradition and we did the same we would have been happy to stay with

we would have been happy to stay with

we would have been happy to stay with sub pop had they

sub pop had they

sub pop had they been had they appeared to be financially

been had they appeared to be financially

been had they appeared to be financially solvent but it was getting to be like

solvent but it was getting to be like

solvent but it was getting to be like they were owing so much money to so many

they were owing so much money to so many

they were owing so much money to so many different people around town to the

different people around town to the

different people around town to the bands we just saw it as a way of like

bands we just saw it as a way of like

bands we just saw it as a way of like saving our friendships with Bruce and

saving our friendships with Bruce and

saving our friendships with Bruce and Jonathan like well maybe we'll just like

Jonathan like well maybe we'll just like

Jonathan like well maybe we'll just like remove this sort

remove this sort

remove this sort of you know back away from the business

of you know back away from the business

of you know back away from the business side of things it's tough to be in a

side of things it's tough to be in a

side of things it's tough to be in a place where you're dealing with friends

place where you're dealing with friends

place where you're dealing with friends and having to talk about money you know

and having to talk about money you know

and having to talk about money you know especially when you want the best for

especially when you want the best for

especially when you want the best for your friends and you're just not able to

your friends and you're just not able to

your friends and you're just not able to do any more than you're able to do at a

do any more than you're able to do at a

do any more than you're able to do at a certain time you know at the time you

certain time you know at the time you

certain time you know at the time you know I felt a little

know I felt a little

know I felt a little indignant but even at the time I kind of

indignant but even at the time I kind of

indignant but even at the time I kind of went all right you know it's like we

went all right you know it's like we

went all right you know it's like we didn't have our stuff together we wanted

didn't have our stuff together we wanted

didn't have our stuff together we wanted to see if we could do something

to see if we could do something

to see if we could do something different you know and there was

different you know and there was

different you know and there was interest out there we had people

interest out there we had people

interest out there we had people knocking on our door you know wanting to

knocking on our door you know wanting to

knocking on our door you know wanting to to develop us the first thing was uh RCA

to develop us the first thing was uh RCA

to develop us the first thing was uh RCA BMG you know biggest record company in

BMG you know biggest record company in

BMG you know biggest record company in the world was interested partly what

the world was interested partly what

the world was interested partly what happened in our favor was like that

happened in our favor was like that

happened in our favor was like that Nirvana record was was blowing up big

Nirvana record was was blowing up big

Nirvana record was was blowing up big and this the Pearl Jam record was

and this the Pearl Jam record was

and this the Pearl Jam record was bubbling under at that point

and the people in the industry realized

and the people in the industry realized

and the people in the industry realized they had no idea what was going

they had no idea what was going

they had no idea what was going on all of a sudden you know it was like

on all of a sudden you know it was like

on all of a sudden you know it was like up a few months previous to that they

up a few months previous to that they

up a few months previous to that they could just sell Michael Jackson and Paul

could just sell Michael Jackson and Paul

could just sell Michael Jackson and Paul Abdul and CC Music Factory a lot of

Abdul and CC Music Factory a lot of

Abdul and CC Music Factory a lot of people were investing huge amounts of

people were investing huge amounts of

people were investing huge amounts of money into these bands

money into these bands

money into these bands thinking this is you know the next

thinking this is you know the next

thinking this is you know the next musical Revolution we're starting to

musical Revolution we're starting to

musical Revolution we're starting to realize that although we're having fun

realize that although we're having fun

realize that although we're having fun this could be a possibility of not

this could be a possibility of not

this could be a possibility of not having to work a day job ever again for

having to work a day job ever again for

having to work a day job ever again for a while that was our Dream really I mean

a while that was our Dream really I mean

a while that was our Dream really I mean we didn't plan on making a lot of money

we didn't plan on making a lot of money

we didn't plan on making a lot of money or or being rock stars the idea was to

or or being rock stars the idea was to

or or being rock stars the idea was to to play music for a living that's all I

to play music for a living that's all I

to play music for a living that's all I ever asked for that's all I ever wanted

ever asked for that's all I ever wanted

ever asked for that's all I ever wanted you know we were really leery of major

you know we were really leery of major

you know we were really leery of major labels you know I'd grown up through

labels you know I'd grown up through

labels you know I'd grown up through punk rock and hardcore and and you know

punk rock and hardcore and and you know

punk rock and hardcore and and you know major labels were nothing but evil they

major labels were nothing but evil they

major labels were nothing but evil they had it all like neatly packaged and

had it all like neatly packaged and

had it all like neatly packaged and defined and they knew what kind of thing

defined and they knew what kind of thing

defined and they knew what kind of thing was going to sell to the kids and all of

was going to sell to the kids and all of

was going to sell to the kids and all of a sudden they didn't know anymore so

a sudden they didn't know anymore so

a sudden they didn't know anymore so they let us when we signed War repri

they let us when we signed War repri

they let us when we signed War repri they let us

they let us

they let us do whatever the we wanted we

do whatever the we wanted we

do whatever the we wanted we recorded in the same house Studio that

recorded in the same house Studio that

recorded in the same house Studio that we recorded the previous record with a

we recorded the previous record with a

we recorded the previous record with a subpop all the rest of that money we

subpop all the rest of that money we

subpop all the rest of that money we kept you know that's how come I have

kept you know that's how come I have

kept you know that's how come I have this house there wasn't any pressure to

this house there wasn't any pressure to

this house there wasn't any pressure to to come up with anything you know Earth

to come up with anything you know Earth

to come up with anything you know Earth shattering or there was no delusions

shattering or there was no delusions

shattering or there was no delusions that we're going to sell billions of

that we're going to sell billions of

that we're going to sell billions of Records we always had the the attitude

Records we always had the the attitude

Records we always had the the attitude that we wanted to play our music and if

that we wanted to play our music and if

that we wanted to play our music and if somebody wanted to help us achieve that

somebody wanted to help us achieve that

somebody wanted to help us achieve that goal with their money and Financial

goal with their money and Financial

goal with their money and Financial backing and their press and their their

backing and their press and their their

backing and their press and their their radio

radio

radio expertise we're into it rusp never heard

expertise we're into it rusp never heard

expertise we're into it rusp never heard do the same thing up with the bike yeah

do the same thing up with the bike yeah

do the same thing up with the bike yeah yeah yeah yeah that's nice another

yeah yeah yeah that's nice another

yeah yeah yeah that's nice another one another one good

one another one good

one another one good it lift up the bike cross up we had uh

it lift up the bike cross up we had uh

it lift up the bike cross up we had uh Josh on drums and so we were kind of a

Josh on drums and so we were kind of a

Josh on drums and so we were kind of a new band we felt like a new Incarnation

new band we felt like a new Incarnation

new band we felt like a new Incarnation we had new blood and Josh was a few

we had new blood and Josh was a few

we had new blood and Josh was a few years younger than the rest of us in the

years younger than the rest of us in the

years younger than the rest of us in the beginning of ' 92 I just gotten out of

beginning of ' 92 I just gotten out of

beginning of ' 92 I just gotten out of the uh the accused I did this little

the uh the accused I did this little

the uh the accused I did this little demo at

demo at

demo at reciprocal um with Jack with just me

reciprocal um with Jack with just me

reciprocal um with Jack with just me playing the drums and it's like a little

playing the drums and it's like a little

playing the drums and it's like a little five minute or a little like 30 second

five minute or a little like 30 second

five minute or a little like 30 second clip then a few weeks later I got a call

clip then a few weeks later I got a call

clip then a few weeks later I got a call from Kurt Danielson asking you know do

from Kurt Danielson asking you know do

from Kurt Danielson asking you know do you want to come try out for the band

you want to come try out for the band

you want to come try out for the band you know real Snappy could play

you know real Snappy could play

you know real Snappy could play Lightning Fast and he played hard as

Lightning Fast and he played hard as

Lightning Fast and he played hard as hell I've never played with a drummer

hell I've never played with a drummer

hell I've never played with a drummer that played as hard as he does he was

that played as hard as he does he was

that played as hard as he does he was breaking regularly and that was

breaking regularly and that was

breaking regularly and that was really

really

really [Music]

[Music]

[Music] fun for this record we wanted to do

fun for this record we wanted to do

fun for this record we wanted to do something different um and we'd been

something different um and we'd been

something different um and we'd been friends with Jay Mascus from Dinosaur Jr

friends with Jay Mascus from Dinosaur Jr

friends with Jay Mascus from Dinosaur Jr ever since we played with those guys at

ever since we played with those guys at

ever since we played with those guys at the central in Seattle in 88 we had a

the central in Seattle in 88 we had a

the central in Seattle in 88 we had a major record deal and all this you know

major record deal and all this you know

major record deal and all this you know like a budget we were there for you know

like a budget we were there for you know

like a budget we were there for you know 2 weeks I went to the bank and uh and

2 weeks I went to the bank and uh and

2 weeks I went to the bank and uh and got a wire for 40 Grand yeah caring

got a wire for 40 Grand yeah caring

got a wire for 40 Grand yeah caring around a roll of fat cash was was a

around a roll of fat cash was was a

around a roll of fat cash was was a pleasure we spent it well a nothing but

pleasure we spent it well a nothing but

pleasure we spent it well a nothing but rock and

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roll Jay had a lot of good input

roll Jay had a lot of good input

roll Jay had a lot of good input most of the time Jay just sat with his

most of the time Jay just sat with his

most of the time Jay just sat with his sunglasses in the back in the couch and

sunglasses in the back in the couch and

sunglasses in the back in the couch and I swear to God most of the time he was

I swear to God most of the time he was

I swear to God most of the time he was taking naps because he had the

taking naps because he had the

taking naps because he had the sunglasses on he couldn't tell what his

sunglasses on he couldn't tell what his

sunglasses on he couldn't tell what his eyes were doing

eyes were doing

eyes were doing [Music]

[Music]

[Music] more riffing and uh my vocals were

more riffing and uh my vocals were

more riffing and uh my vocals were getting better

getting better

getting better [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] even though it was for a major label

even though it was for a major label

even though it was for a major label nobody was breathing down our neck

nobody was breathing down our neck

nobody was breathing down our neck nobody came out to watch us or or or to

nobody came out to watch us or or or to

nobody came out to watch us or or or to to to be a watchdog or or to to make

to to be a watchdog or or to to make

to to be a watchdog or or to to make sure that we were weren't blowing the

sure that we were weren't blowing the

sure that we were weren't blowing the company money on cocaine or nothing like

company money on cocaine or nothing like

company money on cocaine or nothing like that the last hours of the session how

that the last hours of the session how

that the last hours of the session how do you feel there

do you feel there

do you feel there [Applause]

bud I don't think it's quite as bad as

bud I don't think it's quite as bad as

bud I don't think it's quite as bad as Gary portrays it to me that's one of my

Gary portrays it to me that's one of my

Gary portrays it to me that's one of my favorite records too I mean that one was

favorite records too I mean that one was

favorite records too I mean that one was like really turning point that was we

like really turning point that was we

like really turning point that was we started to go more into the the metal

started to go more into the the metal

started to go more into the the metal edge of that one our our chops were much

edge of that one our our chops were much

edge of that one our our chops were much better

too

late too late we're out with uh sound

late too late we're out with uh sound

late too late we're out with uh sound garden Allison Chains during that record

garden Allison Chains during that record

garden Allison Chains during that record you know we went out with really well

you know we went out with really well

you know we went out with really well known bands at the time you know and uh

known bands at the time you know and uh

known bands at the time you know and uh we're we were holding our

we're we were holding our

we're we were holding our own

own

own yeah hi back there's a rave that follows

yeah hi back there's a rave that follows

yeah hi back there's a rave that follows us wherever we go

Yeah

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[Music]

[Music] Boy take di de for

Boy take di de for

Boy take di de for yourself take di for your soul dick dick

yourself take di for your soul dick dick

yourself take di for your soul dick dick di like a fish dick Di

Jo made me get up and take that thing

Jo made me get up and take that thing

Jo made me get up and take that thing out of your hand and crack you over the

out of your hand and crack you over the

out of your hand and crack you over the head with

it what are you doing oh man I wish I

it what are you doing oh man I wish I

it what are you doing oh man I wish I [Music]

knews all right I did it I did it all

knews all right I did it I did it all

knews all right I did it I did it all it's great to be able to be up

it's great to be able to be up

it's great to be able to be up there and sound louder than God

there and sound louder than God

there and sound louder than God you know for few minutes

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[Music]

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I can't live down there the mayonnaise

I can't live down there the mayonnaise

I can't live down there the mayonnaise in the hair don't

in the hair don't

in the hair don't you oh you're

sick come on Ted right now bring that

sick come on Ted right now bring that

sick come on Ted right now bring that camera follow

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me what are you

me what are you

me what are you doing Kur are you encouraging this kind

doing Kur are you encouraging this kind

doing Kur are you encouraging this kind of behavior like I think it's good clean

of behavior like I think it's good clean

of behavior like I think it's good clean fun for kids today that you're

fun for kids today that you're

fun for kids today that you're garbage GS usually we check out our

garbage GS usually we check out our

garbage GS usually we check out our dressing room though it's like let's go

dressing room though it's like let's go

dressing room though it's like let's go over and see Tad and it's walking in you

over and see Tad and it's walking in you

over and see Tad and it's walking in you know somewhere in Canada or in Germany

know somewhere in Canada or in Germany

know somewhere in Canada or in Germany and and Tad and Josh and Kirk just

and and Tad and Josh and Kirk just

and and Tad and Josh and Kirk just sitting there just kind of that sort of

sitting there just kind of that sort of

sitting there just kind of that sort of well inv vied you know vacuous sort of

well inv vied you know vacuous sort of

well inv vied you know vacuous sort of stare glare there would have been a

stare glare there would have been a

stare glare there would have been a whole lot more fun if they were somehow

whole lot more fun if they were somehow

whole lot more fun if they were somehow responsive in in some kind I mean I mean

responsive in in some kind I mean I mean

responsive in in some kind I mean I mean Prett Gary was a blast cuz he was alert

Prett Gary was a blast cuz he was alert

Prett Gary was a blast cuz he was alert you know he knew what was going on the

you know he knew what was going on the

you know he knew what was going on the other guys are sort of like a wall of

other guys are sort of like a wall of

other guys are sort of like a wall of vacancy but it was amusing because

vacancy but it was amusing because

vacancy but it was amusing because they'd all walk out there and they you

they'd all walk out there and they you

they'd all walk out there and they you know and just blow

doors I'm still on drugs

doors I'm still on drugs

doors I'm still on drugs [Music]

[Music]

[Music] foring

foring

foring actually guy the green suit he's a

actually guy the green suit he's a

actually guy the green suit he's a liar he's an imp

liar he's an imp

liar he's an imp [Music]

I I just stay home and uh work on Taxi

I I just stay home and uh work on Taxi

I I just stay home and uh work on Taxi dermy projects uh I stuff badgers for a

dermy projects uh I stuff badgers for a

dermy projects uh I stuff badgers for a living I I mean we make money at this at

living I I mean we make money at this at

living I I mean we make money at this at the band but uh when during the lean

the band but uh when during the lean

the band but uh when during the lean times uh I sell a few stuffed Badgers on

times uh I sell a few stuffed Badgers on

times uh I sell a few stuffed Badgers on the side and make ends meat Ian you see

the side and make ends meat Ian you see

the side and make ends meat Ian you see the Press killed

the Press killed

the Press killed it well the Badgers were killed uh

it well the Badgers were killed uh

it well the Badgers were killed uh strangled but I'm talking

strangled but I'm talking

strangled but I'm talking about oh excuse me misunderstood

about oh excuse me misunderstood

about oh excuse me misunderstood there don't skip

there don't skip

there don't skip Mar the

Mar the

Mar the M all the

leapy no want to speak out loud no

leapy no want to speak out loud no

leapy no want to speak out loud no movement in the trees no love more Le

movement in the trees no love more Le

movement in the trees no love more Le saw the falling all the

live I got to

live I got to

live I got to know I

know I

know I got just want

all I'm got

all I'm got

all I'm got alone I got

alone I got

alone I got alone just

one MTV interview sat you got it

you can hold on to my back or something

you can hold on to my back or something

you can hold on to my back or something if you want hold my shirt with contacts

if you want hold my shirt with contacts

if you want hold my shirt with contacts I'm going to be yeah you just hurting

I'm going to be yeah you just hurting

I'm going to be yeah you just hurting tonight and

tonight and

tonight and then where I go to the bottom and then

then where I go to the bottom and then

then where I go to the bottom and then when I shoot out of the top you snap the

when I shoot out of the top you snap the

when I shoot out of the top you snap the picture but don't be too specific

picture but don't be too specific

picture but don't be too specific specific about the words cuz we're not

specific about the words cuz we're not

specific about the words cuz we're not sure what song I can just go habba Hab

sure what song I can just go habba Hab

sure what song I can just go habba Hab Hab habba that's good best muscle

why were we dropped it was never

why were we dropped it was never

why were we dropped it was never explained never clarified there's uh

explained never clarified there's uh

explained never clarified there's uh this

poster Tad it's heavy it's been

poster Tad it's heavy it's been

poster Tad it's heavy it's been claimed that this is the

claimed that this is the

claimed that this is the reason the labels were under a lot of

reason the labels were under a lot of

reason the labels were under a lot of pressure to clean up their act and start

pressure to clean up their act and start

pressure to clean up their act and start putting warning labels on records you

putting warning labels on records you

putting warning labels on records you know questionable material we had had

know questionable material we had had

know questionable material we had had nothing to do with this poster uh it it

nothing to do with this poster uh it it

nothing to do with this poster uh it it was just the brainchild of somebody who

was just the brainchild of somebody who

was just the brainchild of somebody who who was working for the promotional

who was working for the promotional

who was working for the promotional company that promoted the tour but we

company that promoted the tour but we

company that promoted the tour but we loved it we thought it was a great idea

loved it we thought it was a great idea

loved it we thought it was a great idea and beautifully executed that was a

and beautifully executed that was a

and beautifully executed that was a communication error between from what I

communication error between from what I

communication error between from what I understand between management and the

understand between management and the

understand between management and the label perhaps uh a

label perhaps uh a

label perhaps uh a butterfly uh moved its wings in

butterfly uh moved its wings in

butterfly uh moved its wings in Patagonia and that INF infuenced

Patagonia and that INF infuenced

Patagonia and that INF infuenced somebody at Giant I and a decision was

somebody at Giant I and a decision was

somebody at Giant I and a decision was made and we were dropped I I don't know

made and we were dropped I I don't know

made and we were dropped I I don't know could be anything um the fact is is that

could be anything um the fact is is that

could be anything um the fact is is that nobody ever explained it to

nobody ever explained it to

nobody ever explained it to us they cut off tour support and we

us they cut off tour support and we

us they cut off tour support and we stuck in Europe they pulled the the

stuck in Europe they pulled the the

stuck in Europe they pulled the the carpet out from under that one we felt

carpet out from under that one we felt

carpet out from under that one we felt like a curse was kind of like following

like a curse was kind of like following

like a curse was kind of like following the band like a a dark

the band like a a dark

the band like a a dark cloud hovering over us all the time and

cloud hovering over us all the time and

cloud hovering over us all the time and uh that we couldn't escape it and no

uh that we couldn't escape it and no

uh that we couldn't escape it and no matter what we did that it was cursed

matter what we did that it was cursed

matter what we did that it was cursed and we're just starting to get the

and we're just starting to get the

and we're just starting to get the feeling like what the hell is going on

feeling like what the hell is going on

feeling like what the hell is going on you know it's like you know we're

you know it's like you know we're

you know it's like you know we're starting to feel like

jinxed yeah he knows his though

jinxed yeah he knows his though

jinxed yeah he knows his though doesn't

[Applause]

he we've been together for quite quite a

he we've been together for quite quite a

he we've been together for quite quite a while and there was just some tension in

while and there was just some tension in

while and there was just some tension in the band I can't really explain it

the band I can't really explain it

the band I can't really explain it except for by saying that well I think

except for by saying that well I think

except for by saying that well I think musically we're just kind of like Kurt

musically we're just kind of like Kurt

musically we're just kind of like Kurt and I were wanting to head in a

and I were wanting to head in a

and I were wanting to head in a different direction and I don't know if

different direction and I don't know if

different direction and I don't know if Gary really was suited to that he

Gary really was suited to that he

Gary really was suited to that he probably was I don't think there

probably was I don't think there

probably was I don't think there was a strange division going on it

was a strange division going on it

was a strange division going on it wasn't like Gary did anything that

wasn't like Gary did anything that

wasn't like Gary did anything that warranted being kicked out out it wasn't

warranted being kicked out out it wasn't

warranted being kicked out out it wasn't like uh he quit in a in a fury and and

like uh he quit in a in a fury and and

like uh he quit in a in a fury and and Gary was probably the most sane guy out

Gary was probably the most sane guy out

Gary was probably the most sane guy out of us at the time there's a lot

of us at the time there's a lot

of us at the time there's a lot of not good drugs going

of not good drugs going

of not good drugs going on and uh I was personally I can speak

on and uh I was personally I can speak

on and uh I was personally I can speak for myself I was not the healthiest of

for myself I was not the healthiest of

for myself I was not the healthiest of mind and body and spirit at the time ktk

mind and body and spirit at the time ktk

mind and body and spirit at the time ktk kind of lost you

kind of lost you

kind of lost you know uh touch with being grounded and so

know uh touch with being grounded and so

know uh touch with being grounded and so did I I was right there with him on that

did I I was right there with him on that

did I I was right there with him on that Gary would have beers and stuff but he

Gary would have beers and stuff but he

Gary would have beers and stuff but he wasn't he wasn't really he wasn't into

wasn't he wasn't really he wasn't into

wasn't he wasn't really he wasn't into smoking Po and and doing drugs and stuff

smoking Po and and doing drugs and stuff

smoking Po and and doing drugs and stuff he was really a Gary is a good person

he was really a Gary is a good person

he was really a Gary is a good person it's a really important and strong role

it's a really important and strong role

it's a really important and strong role that Gary provided everyone knew that

that Gary provided everyone knew that

that Gary provided everyone knew that everyone in the other bands in the music

everyone in the other bands in the music

everyone in the other bands in the music Community knew that Gary keeps those

Community knew that Gary keeps those

Community knew that Gary keeps those guys sane and he's the guy who know you

guys sane and he's the guy who know you

guys sane and he's the guy who know you know who who directs him and keeps him f

know who who directs him and keeps him f

know who who directs him and keeps him f Focus uh I tend to sort of blame myself

Focus uh I tend to sort of blame myself

Focus uh I tend to sort of blame myself that maybe if IID worked harder uh could

that maybe if IID worked harder uh could

that maybe if IID worked harder uh could have smoed things over and and gotten

have smoed things over and and gotten

have smoed things over and and gotten things together um and and I really

things together um and and I really

things together um and and I really regret it uh it's one of those things

regret it uh it's one of those things

regret it uh it's one of those things that you you can't fix you you can't

that you you can't fix you you can't

that you you can't fix you you can't turn back the clock I wish it hadn't

turn back the clock I wish it hadn't

turn back the clock I wish it hadn't have happened I wish that that somehow

have happened I wish that that somehow

have happened I wish that that somehow we could have kept Gary in the band and

we could have kept Gary in the band and

we could have kept Gary in the band and and that he was a part of that infrared

and that he was a part of that infrared

and that he was a part of that infrared writing Hood

[Music]

recording well infrared Riding Hood was

recording well infrared Riding Hood was

recording well infrared Riding Hood was uh the first record that we went as a

uh the first record that we went as a

uh the first record that we went as a three-piece that record was worth things

three-piece that record was worth things

three-piece that record was worth things kind of got I'm surprised that some of

kind of got I'm surprised that some of

kind of got I'm surprised that some of us made it through that people were

us made it through that people were

us made it through that people were getting whacked out of their

getting whacked out of their

getting whacked out of their minds oh man what's up Ben

minds oh man what's up Ben

minds oh man what's up Ben busted right the infrared sessions were

busted right the infrared sessions were

busted right the infrared sessions were uh quite interesting me because their

uh quite interesting me because their

uh quite interesting me because their manager Johnny Z actually flew out from

manager Johnny Z actually flew out from

manager Johnny Z actually flew out from New York and spent some time with us in

New York and spent some time with us in

New York and spent some time with us in the studio Josh wanted to add some

the studio Josh wanted to add some

the studio Josh wanted to add some industrial sounds to one of the songs so

industrial sounds to one of the songs so

industrial sounds to one of the songs so uh in those days you know I I also

uh in those days you know I I also

uh in those days you know I I also managed Ministry Al jensson and and they

managed Ministry Al jensson and and they

managed Ministry Al jensson and and they just like some of the effects that

just like some of the effects that

just like some of the effects that Ministry used etc etc so instead of

Ministry used etc etc so instead of

Ministry used etc etc so instead of sampling it they they wanted to get real

sampling it they they wanted to get real

sampling it they they wanted to get real sound so we're banging on stuff and

sound so we're banging on stuff and

sound so we're banging on stuff and keeping a beat and I think they gave me

keeping a beat and I think they gave me

keeping a beat and I think they gave me a pipe to play

[Music]

[Applause]

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] really good drummer psychopath from hell

really good drummer psychopath from hell

really good drummer psychopath from hell man he was a real psycho but he's a

man he was a real psycho but he's a

man he was a real psycho but he's a great guy see cuz Tad was into that he

great guy see cuz Tad was into that he

great guy see cuz Tad was into that he was like I was like what do you think if

was like I was like what do you think if

was like I was like what do you think if I get these pieces of metal and I smash

I get these pieces of metal and I smash

I get these pieces of metal and I smash them wasn't just like we're like banging

them wasn't just like we're like banging

them wasn't just like we're like banging on and oh that's great you know it

on and oh that's great you know it

on and oh that's great you know it was it had a method to it and there was

was it had a method to it and there was

was it had a method to it and there was a a desired end effect that we were

a a desired end effect that we were

a a desired end effect that we were going for the way we wrote that record

going for the way we wrote that record

going for the way we wrote that record was a direct result

was a direct result

was a direct result of not wanting to

of not wanting to

of not wanting to be

be

be overly analytic about the music it

overly analytic about the music it

overly analytic about the music it started off with the first song the way

started off with the first song the way

started off with the first song the way we wrote that record Kurt had that bass

we wrote that record Kurt had that bass

we wrote that record Kurt had that bass RI that

went and I just started playing the

went and I just started playing the

went and I just started playing the drums and that whole record was written

drums and that whole record was written

drums and that whole record was written like that somebody just started playing

like that somebody just started playing

like that somebody just started playing a riff and we wrote and we not once we

a riff and we wrote and we not once we

a riff and we wrote and we not once we never went okay this goes four times how

never went okay this goes four times how

never went okay this goes four times how okay how many times are we going to do

okay how many times are we going to do

okay how many times are we going to do this when are we going to change that

this when are we going to change that

this when are we going to change that nothing was said nobody does that you

nothing was said nobody does that you

nothing was said nobody does that you know nobody makes a record and doesn't

know nobody makes a record and doesn't

know nobody makes a record and doesn't talk about how many times you're going

talk about how many times you're going

talk about how many times you're going to do this part we're going to put this

to do this part we're going to put this

to do this part we're going to put this change I've got this riff nobody said

change I've got this riff nobody said

change I've got this riff nobody said anything there was can you imagine what

anything there was can you imagine what

anything there was can you imagine what I'm saying it's like that's how together

I'm saying it's like that's how together

I'm saying it's like that's how together uh we were at that point and we just

uh we were at that point and we just

uh we were at that point and we just went in and did that record and and it

went in and did that record and and it

went in and did that record and and it really was that and I thought that that

really was that and I thought that that

really was that and I thought that that record was so great because we did that

record was so great because we did that

record was so great because we did that and that meant how tight we

[Music]

were there's kind of a pop aesthetic

were there's kind of a pop aesthetic

were there's kind of a pop aesthetic behind this record uh a lot of the songs

behind this record uh a lot of the songs

behind this record uh a lot of the songs are very catchy kind of Alla eight-way

are very catchy kind of Alla eight-way

are very catchy kind of Alla eight-way Santa but there's also some some some

Santa but there's also some some some

Santa but there's also some some some very heavy happening too you know

very heavy happening too you know

very heavy happening too you know the stuff that Tad was doing uh near the

the stuff that Tad was doing uh near the

the stuff that Tad was doing uh near the end of their career was the best Tad

end of their career was the best Tad

end of their career was the best Tad stuff of

stuff of

stuff of [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] all I want to

all I want to

all I want to go bring it

back

back

back sometimes sometimes

sometimes sometimes

sometimes sometimes [Music]

let

yourself

yourself

yourself fre try not feel

fre try not feel

fre try not feel inside that I couldn't

inside that I couldn't

inside that I couldn't hide but I did forget to

hide but I did forget to

hide but I did forget to smile Separates

Me I'm my body

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] oh

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the I was always amazed I mean how the

the I was always amazed I mean how the

the I was always amazed I mean how the do you go and make a record and get

do you go and make a record and get

do you go and make a record and get that gacked out of your mind and

that gacked out of your mind and

that gacked out of your mind and actually have anything come out and then

actually have anything come out and then

actually have anything come out and then you hear infrared and it's a brilliant

you hear infrared and it's a brilliant

you hear infrared and it's a brilliant record

uh basically the a anr rep loved them

uh basically the a anr rep loved them

uh basically the a anr rep loved them and thought Ted was the next big thing

and thought Ted was the next big thing

and thought Ted was the next big thing and they hired Ted because they signed

and they hired Ted because they signed

and they hired Ted because they signed Ted because of it the anr person got

Ted because of it the anr person got

Ted because of it the anr person got fired and all of her bands got dropped

fired and all of her bands got dropped

fired and all of her bands got dropped literally the week the record was going

literally the week the record was going

literally the week the record was going to the stores they were trying to find

to the stores they were trying to find

to the stores they were trying to find who to talk to about

who to talk to about

who to talk to about us and they they called up and they and

us and they they called up and they and

us and they they called up and they and they said which band you know and that's

they said which band you know and that's

they said which band you know and that's kind of a bad sign at that point you

kind of a bad sign at that point you

kind of a bad sign at that point you know well we don't know who you should

know well we don't know who you should

know well we don't know who you should talk to about that you know and when an

talk to about that you know and when an

talk to about that you know and when an anr person gets terminated at a major

anr person gets terminated at a major

anr person gets terminated at a major label all of their bands get act

label all of their bands get act

label all of their bands get act regardless of quality nobody's even

regardless of quality nobody's even

regardless of quality nobody's even listening to the music at that point

listening to the music at that point

listening to the music at that point it's strictly a matter of bureaucratic

it's strictly a matter of bureaucratic

it's strictly a matter of bureaucratic musical chairs shifting and the bands

musical chairs shifting and the bands

musical chairs shifting and the bands are often the unwitting victims of this

are often the unwitting victims of this

are often the unwitting victims of this and it it has nothing to do with music

and it it has nothing to do with music

and it it has nothing to do with music music uh chances are nobody even

music uh chances are nobody even

music uh chances are nobody even listened to the Tad record we found out

listened to the Tad record we found out

listened to the Tad record we found out in retrospect that a whole whopping 650

in retrospect that a whole whopping 650

in retrospect that a whole whopping 650 bucks was spent on Advertising for

bucks was spent on Advertising for

bucks was spent on Advertising for infrared Riding Hood the label just

infrared Riding Hood the label just

infrared Riding Hood the label just writes off the money it's a loss they

writes off the money it's a loss they

writes off the money it's a loss they deducted from their taxes or whatever

deducted from their taxes or whatever

deducted from their taxes or whatever they do so infrared writing Hood as far

they do so infrared writing Hood as far

they do so infrared writing Hood as far as I can see just became a tax loss for

as I can see just became a tax loss for

as I can see just became a tax loss for somebody and uh the record showing up in

somebody and uh the record showing up in

somebody and uh the record showing up in the record of the month

the record of the month

the record of the month club you know buy 10 disc for 5 cents

club you know buy 10 disc for 5 cents

club you know buy 10 disc for 5 cents the 11th it's the 11th our record's out

the 11th it's the 11th our record's out

the 11th it's the 11th our record's out and you know what shut up one

and you know what shut up one

and you know what shut up one bit of advertising out there for us the

bit of advertising out there for us the

bit of advertising out there for us the record label said they were going to do

record label said they were going to do

record label said they were going to do it they up up number one

it they up up number one

it they up up number one strike

strike

strike one does anybody care I don't think

one does anybody care I don't think

one does anybody care I don't think so they basically just wanted the band

so they basically just wanted the band

so they basically just wanted the band to go away at a lecture they really

to go away at a lecture they really

to go away at a lecture they really wanted tar to go away they were scared

wanted tar to go away they were scared

wanted tar to go away they were scared of tar they didn't know what to make of

of tar they didn't know what to make of

of tar they didn't know what to make of them somewhere there's a warehouse full

them somewhere there's a warehouse full

them somewhere there's a warehouse full of those records I I don't know where it

of those records I I don't know where it

of those records I I don't know where it is that was pretty much the end of Tad's

is that was pretty much the end of Tad's

is that was pretty much the end of Tad's label career they do this thing where

label career they do this thing where

label career they do this thing where it's like well you know we won't give it

it's like well you know we won't give it

it's like well you know we won't give it to you so you could do something with it

to you so you could do something with it

to you so you could do something with it we're just going to it's like a little

we're just going to it's like a little

we're just going to it's like a little kid that uh you know um that you don't

kid that uh you know um that you don't

kid that uh you know um that you don't want to play Legos his way so he's going

want to play Legos his way so he's going

want to play Legos his way so he's going to grab all of his Legos and go home and

to grab all of his Legos and go home and

to grab all of his Legos and go home and you when we got dropped from giant

you when we got dropped from giant

you when we got dropped from giant Josh bounced back like the rest of us

Josh bounced back like the rest of us

Josh bounced back like the rest of us did but when we got dropped to second

did but when we got dropped to second

did but when we got dropped to second time uh you know it was a little too

time uh you know it was a little too

time uh you know it was a little too much and I think it was a little too

much and I think it was a little too

much and I think it was a little too much for all of us um but I think he

much for all of us um but I think he

much for all of us um but I think he reacted the quickest I think it's

reacted the quickest I think it's

reacted the quickest I think it's because you know I wasn't the healthiest

because you know I wasn't the healthiest

because you know I wasn't the healthiest person so I just decided to just to just

person so I just decided to just to just

person so I just decided to just to just walk away from it instead of deal with

walk away from it instead of deal with

walk away from it instead of deal with it I'm a lot different person now than

it I'm a lot different person now than

it I'm a lot different person now than that I deal with my problems you know

that I deal with my problems you know

that I deal with my problems you know instead of run from them but back then I

instead of run from them but back then I

instead of run from them but back then I I did a lot of that I would just run

I did a lot of that I would just run

I did a lot of that I would just run from problems and I I attribute that to

from problems and I I attribute that to

from problems and I I attribute that to you know substance abuse we were on a

you know substance abuse we were on a

you know substance abuse we were on a constant roller coaster ride emotionally

constant roller coaster ride emotionally

constant roller coaster ride emotionally psychologically physically why not

psychologically physically why not

psychologically physically why not destroy

destroy

destroy guitars why not light off

guitars why not light off

guitars why not light off explosives why

explosives why

explosives why not destroy television sets why not uh

not destroy television sets why not uh

not destroy television sets why not uh do this why not do that I mean it seemed

do this why not do that I mean it seemed

do this why not do that I mean it seemed like we had nothing to lose I mean uh

like we had nothing to lose I mean uh

like we had nothing to lose I mean uh when you've lost everything already what

when you've lost everything already what

when you've lost everything already what else have you got to

else have you got to

else have you got to lose nothing I I was locked up in a room

lose nothing I I was locked up in a room

lose nothing I I was locked up in a room that I was renting in West Seattle and

that I was renting in West Seattle and

that I was renting in West Seattle and I'd never go out I I can say that uh

I'd never go out I I can say that uh

I'd never go out I I can say that uh when it came to drug abuse uh I I took

when it came to drug abuse uh I I took

when it came to drug abuse uh I I took it very seriously and uh explored it

it very seriously and uh explored it

it very seriously and uh explored it very thoroughly backstage every every

very thoroughly backstage every every

very thoroughly backstage every every night you get a a bottle of hard liquor

night you get a a bottle of hard liquor

night you get a a bottle of hard liquor and a case of beer and as you gain in

and a case of beer and as you gain in

and a case of beer and as you gain in popularity you get to order what you

popularity you get to order what you

popularity you get to order what you want backstage and and so there's more

want backstage and and so there's more

want backstage and and so there's more and more booze all the time and

and more booze all the time and

and more booze all the time and uh eventually uh you you need something

uh eventually uh you you need something

uh eventually uh you you need something to get over those hangovers with and so

to get over those hangovers with and so

to get over those hangovers with and so so something

so something

so something else always enters the picture I liked

else always enters the picture I liked

else always enters the picture I liked Coke a lot and I found that I couldn't

Coke a lot and I found that I couldn't

Coke a lot and I found that I couldn't afford it that much so I went for the

afford it that much so I went for the

afford it that much so I went for the cheaper version of that which was

cheaper version of that which was

cheaper version of that which was crystal meth and glass I was taking cash

crystal meth and glass I was taking cash

crystal meth and glass I was taking cash advances on my credit card to go buy

advances on my credit card to go buy

advances on my credit card to go buy more and I'd only leave at night you

more and I'd only leave at night you

more and I'd only leave at night you know I was becoming a

know I was becoming a

know I was becoming a essentially a addicted vampire I had a

essentially a addicted vampire I had a

essentially a addicted vampire I had a police scanner that I bought that I'd

police scanner that I bought that I'd

police scanner that I bought that I'd listen to because I was sure they were

listen to because I was sure they were

listen to because I was sure they were coming after me someday that's how far

coming after me someday that's how far

coming after me someday that's how far it went you know it's it's part of the

it went you know it's it's part of the

it went you know it's it's part of the side of the Seattle music scene that

side of the Seattle music scene that

side of the Seattle music scene that isn't talked about that isn't So

isn't talked about that isn't So

isn't talked about that isn't So Glamorous Isn't So Glorious doesn't look

Glamorous Isn't So Glorious doesn't look

Glamorous Isn't So Glorious doesn't look so good on camera um and you know cost a

so good on camera um and you know cost a

so good on camera um and you know cost a lot of bands the chance of success and

lot of bands the chance of success and

lot of bands the chance of success and cost a number of people their lives when

cost a number of people their lives when

cost a number of people their lives when you've been together for for 10 or 12

you've been together for for 10 or 12

you've been together for for 10 or 12 years years uh you begin to know each

years years uh you begin to know each

years years uh you begin to know each other on a level that is akin to how a

other on a level that is akin to how a

other on a level that is akin to how a husband and wife know each other you

husband and wife know each other you

husband and wife know each other you know you can second guess that person

know you can second guess that person

know you can second guess that person you know their worst side you know their

you know their worst side you know their

you know their worst side you know their best side uh and you might be a bit sick

best side uh and you might be a bit sick

best side uh and you might be a bit sick of that person

of that person

of that person too he's a lifelong friend and that

too he's a lifelong friend and that

too he's a lifelong friend and that that's never going to change we've gone

that's never going to change we've gone

that's never going to change we've gone through a lot together and shared a lot

through a lot together and shared a lot

through a lot together and shared a lot of things together triumphs as well as

of things together triumphs as well as

of things together triumphs as well as defeats so that that brings you together

defeats so that that brings you together

defeats so that that brings you together you know

you know

you know we're

Team

Team

Team hello all

hello all

hello all right what's

right what's

right what's up Kurt what are you

up Kurt what are you

up Kurt what are you doing come on in man son of again

doing come on in man son of again

doing come on in man son of again you were kidding this is a big surprise

you were kidding this is a big surprise

you were kidding this is a big surprise look at you what are you

doing coming to visit

you all dressed

you all dressed

you all dressed up people can be in bands and that all

up people can be in bands and that all

up people can be in bands and that all they have in common is this uh musical

they have in common is this uh musical

they have in common is this uh musical Vision but you know I I think that's

Vision but you know I I think that's

Vision but you know I I think that's where we went a little step further you

where we went a little step further you

where we went a little step further you know we we love being around each other

know we we love being around each other

know we we love being around each other you know

they're Legends absolutely and they're

they're Legends absolutely and they're

they're Legends absolutely and they're part of a very vital scene and I think

part of a very vital scene and I think

part of a very vital scene and I think they are just in my mind always going to

they are just in my mind always going to

they are just in my mind always going to be seen as as part of the most happening

be seen as as part of the most happening

be seen as as part of the most happening scene that uh s's experienced before

scene that uh s's experienced before

scene that uh s's experienced before since what Tad accomplished was

since what Tad accomplished was

since what Tad accomplished was certainly Head and Shoulders above what

certainly Head and Shoulders above what

certainly Head and Shoulders above what 95% of rock bands accomplished

95% of rock bands accomplished

95% of rock bands accomplished he wasn't selling records because of

he wasn't selling records because of

he wasn't selling records because of image he was selling records because of

image he was selling records because of

image he was selling records because of content whether anybody makes it in this

content whether anybody makes it in this

content whether anybody makes it in this business is largely dependent on factors

business is largely dependent on factors

business is largely dependent on factors that have nothing to do with music

that have nothing to do with music

that have nothing to do with music nothing whatsoever to do with music and

nothing whatsoever to do with music and

nothing whatsoever to do with music and a big chunk of it is luck and um random

a big chunk of it is luck and um random

a big chunk of it is luck and um random factors did not operate in their favor

factors did not operate in their favor

factors did not operate in their favor so I think there still is a life to this

so I think there still is a life to this

so I think there still is a life to this music

music

music um but you know Tad's story

um but you know Tad's story

um but you know Tad's story unfortunately and sadly is always going

unfortunately and sadly is always going

unfortunately and sadly is always going to be a story of uh what could have been

to be a story of uh what could have been

to be a story of uh what could have been as opposed to what was and that's going

as opposed to what was and that's going

as opposed to what was and that's going to be part of their

legacy the thing I'm most proud about

legacy the thing I'm most proud about

legacy the thing I'm most proud about the music is that we always stuck to

the music is that we always stuck to

the music is that we always stuck to what we believed in and we weren't

what we believed in and we weren't

what we believed in and we weren't shifting what we were doing to appease

shifting what we were doing to appease

shifting what we were doing to appease anybody or to look good you know we we

anybody or to look good you know we we

anybody or to look good you know we we let it all hang out right from the

let it all hang out right from the

let it all hang out right from the beginning you

know and and just being being full of

know and and just being being full of

know and and just being being full of integrity and uh and and keeping the

integrity and uh and and keeping the

integrity and uh and and keeping the course and doing what we had no choice

course and doing what we had no choice

course and doing what we had no choice in doing because we wanted to do it and

in doing because we wanted to do it and

in doing because we wanted to do it and that's what we were you at the time it's

that's what we were you at the time it's

that's what we were you at the time it's right I like to think that uh you know

right I like to think that uh you know

right I like to think that uh you know the music's going to live on and that

the music's going to live on and that

the music's going to live on and that hopefully it won't come to a point where

hopefully it won't come to a point where

hopefully it won't come to a point where we have to die for people to figure that

we have to die for people to figure that

we have to die for people to figure that out

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