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I wish there was a bomb that would just
kill them all.

All Israelis?

All Israelis.

of the founder of the organization, Paul
LaRudy. The rumor gets around that I'm

anti -Semitic. He published something on
an anti -Semitic website.

She went to his house in California, and
there he reveals to her the great

secret behind his activities.

I'm trying to find this. I'm not some
relative.

LaRudy calls on someone who is defined
as the best Hamas in Europe.

Whatever you do, don't stay alone with
me.

Okay,

so we have... Okay, maybe first.

I've never really been afraid of the
people I was going to meet in this line

work. I was always more scared of not
doing a good job and to disappoint my

employers.

This was overall a greater fear, and it
truly affected me when I felt like I

didn't do my best.

You have

to

try? No.

No?

You are too hard.

How are you to drive with us?

I tried before the... I don't know.

When did you, uh, when did you put them?

I didn't have any sense.

You didn't have enough?

I didn't have enough.

You didn't have enough for a life? I
didn't have enough for a life.

Really? For a life?

I didn't have enough.

He was very outspoken about his direct
hatred for Israel and the fact that he

wasn't working for...

the destruction of the state of Israel.

Many times to Gaza, many times to Syria,
and I was also with Marmara in 2010.

So you were on the ship with Paul
Kaluri?

Yes. I was with him all together.

He's a fan of mine. Wow.

Marmara is a special story.

Yes.

See,

here in the corner,

before is church, now is mosque. Here is
mosque.

You can see from this side.

Hashtulah and Abu Rashid go and get
close to the area where the Hamas

are located. It is clear that not only
the struggle against Palestine is

them, but also the spread of Islam in
Europe and the ease in which it happens.

There is a place like this to come and
buy, in the description,

either churches or Christian schools,
and take them to a mosque.

Why? Because it was like a replacement
for her gun.

In the

end,

if we think of these people as people
whose every action is terror,

and the murder of innocent people, we
are true to them.

We need to understand that these people
are working within an ideology that the

Islam needs to exist all over the world,
so to put an end to it is still on the

way. These are people who truly believe
in a religious belief in their ultimate

goal.

It wasn't what I had expected to see,
because instead of an office, we've just

entered a Middle Eastern supermarket.

It seemed a bit strange. I mean, I took
a big risk, but all for this?

This only works here in Syria. In
Palestine, it comes in Syria.

Abu Rashid presents his activity in
Syria. There he entered the Palestinian

refugee camps, also during the civil
war.

I got to Syria one, two, three, four,
five, six, seven times.

I'm just thinking, like, where can you
get this much money from?

I take money from people here, Raja.

The money coming if you take the news.

But not the news, the information.

Thanks for the tour.

I'm very impressed.

No,

I'm super happy.

She's a woman.

She certainly has a role here, somehow.

It went through his head.

I have no doubt about it.

He didn't just throw her there, I have
three cars, and I have this, and I have

that, and I know this, and I was in the
2010s, eight years ago.

He didn't just throw her all this
nonsense, all this nonsense.

He has a purpose.

a flirty person. I'm not, like, someone
who approaches guys and, like, plays on

sex appeal or something.

Like, that's not what I've been doing.
That's not how I act. And I don't care

someone wants to invite me for dinner,
but, like, for example, if someone would

touch me, that would be overstepping a
line.

Hi.

Hi.

As we sat in his office, one of his
people came in.

And they started to talk about money.

He did fundraising campaigns with
different mosques that he was visiting.

And they were counting the money.

A good thing?

Yeah.

You work together with many Palestinian
organizations?

Yes.

I have office in Gaza.

We collect money from here and send to
our office there.

How much donations do you get in a year?

Two million euros. Two million euros?

Wow. Are all donations?

Yes.

Amin went to put the money somewhere
safe, so I immediately started to look

through the thing.

I knew he could come back at any minute,
but I just couldn't miss such an

opportunity.

I quickly managed to take some pictures
of his notebook.

where it listed all the donations that
he collected from the mosque, which he

keeps outside of the computer.

I think I heard his footsteps nearby.

If he would have catched me snooping
around, that would not be good.

And then I took some more pictures of
his computer screen.

You don't mind that I've been coffee?

No, no.

Okay.

That was a great achievement, really.

Rotterdam was a great part of the
project, and we got a lot done.

It's basically a comparison of how much
money passes through every square in

Europe and where it goes.

The media says it happens.

As soon as Ashtula shows up with Abu
Rashid in Rotterdam, surprising news

from the Masjid. The Masjid leader chose
to join the last and most dramatic part

of the party, from the top of Palermo to
the final destination, the Gaza Strip.

There they really chose in a pinch who
would come.

To me, it's absolutely crazy that they
kicked someone out.

And they take me, who was literally
trying to expose them and said, maybe

just have a bad judgment. I don't know.
But it was very lucky.

I didn't think it would happen.

real excitement in the air. It actually
felt like we're going to break the

bookshelves that caused the freeze.

I find myself hearing from the boats as
if I'm one of them.

As days go by, I'm not bothered by the
fact that I'm not a real person,

that I'm just an observer trying to fit
in.

This is so bad because they truly like
me and I can see myself as part of them.

I can understand where their motivation
comes from and why it's so important to

them.

People need something to care about and
a group to be part of. And for that,

this is perfect.

Definitely a lot of drawing.

Personalities are people who want to use
this to have something to put on a

political resume.

My name is Afan Yeh from Malaysia.

You get some kind of legitimacy to do a
project like this.

In 1991,

I joined the Israeli Air Force.

All my projects I've done, they've
always been Israelis.

so much during the training, it was hard
to keep a straight face and keep it

seriously.

They did this kind of role play where
the other team members, they came in

dressed with, like, stockings with masks
on their face and pretended to hit

people.

He's not going to hit you with his arm
because he doesn't want to hurt himself.

He's going to hit you with his weapon.

Another question about the situation
where an Israeli drone trooper falls

overboard.

You say ideally let him sink.

Maybe it's like punishment from that to
just be quiet and let it hit him. But I

think the result would be something that
we would have to endure.

But it would rescue them.

I'm not surprised that they have these
opinions, and I'm sure they have a lot

more radical opinions as well, that
they're not telling to people.

Some of them, as a principle, would
never help someone who was injured if

were Israeli.

What we do is, we allocate you to an
Israeli lawyer for Gabi Lansky. Right?

We've done this before, so you don't
need to worry about that.

I hear the voice of my great father.
After two days of preparations in which

MSAT activists continue to silence
themselves and to repeat the journey on

social media, comes the big day in which
the MSAT goes out to its last and most

significant part, from Palermo in Sicily
to the Gaza Strip.

If this year's Freedom Float still
succeeds in breaking the illegal

Gaza, it will be the first boat to do so
in many years, with the aim of keeping

the blockade lifted for good.

And the mission across the Gaza Strip is
on its way.

Why did you take the phone with you?

It was against all advice.

Because everything was necessary to have
it with me.

I just want to be able to call my family
when I get there.

Mythics happen, and it was just
unfortunate that there was no, like,

for an event like that.

You

know

it's

very easy and comfortable to be out on
the sea for a day and then you reach the

port again.

but it's not as fun to be out for two
weeks.

12 people in a very limited amount of
space.

It gets hard very fast.

You need to tend to the boat 24 -7. You
can't really take a break from it. But

then in addition, we didn't have enough
water or food, and the boat was not

working properly.

The radar was broken, and we didn't have
an engine. So if there's no wind,

you're not moving.

The stressful flow situation, which put
us in a lot of danger.

It was a badly planned mission.

People became a lot more tense as we
approached Israel.

The board has made a decision that
everyone needs to throw their cell

the ocean.

And I didn't want to do that. Fuck you,
don't touch my phone.

I pretended that I didn't know what they
were talking about.

So one of the guys there got pissed off
because he thought I was hiding my

phone.

So he went through my stuff.

And I don't think I anticipated that
that would happen.

We found my satellite phone, and then
obviously to have a $2 ,000

satellite phone with you and not telling
people is weird.

For me to be in the middle of the
Mediterranean on a boat with 11 people

who think that I'm buying on them and
they're finding my stuff, yeah,

that's dangerous.

People started to act silly on the boat.

They took my electronic devices and
threw them into the water.

And then they decided they wanted to
toss me off the boat.

That would be a threatening situation.

That was when I understood that now
you're alone here, there's no one here

save you.

You better watch your back.

The only option was to try to work with
the people who were there.

So I told them I needed this phone in
order to contact my dad who was in the

hospital.

And I gave a once -in -a -lifetime
performance.

It's not that they completely bought it,
but it was enough to put some doubt in

their mind.

First, they forced me to stay on the
deck of the boat in the sun until some

the other crew members got angry due to
the way that they treated me.

I think some people were still on my
side and then some of them definitely

thought that I was having bad
intentions.

At this point, I was really waiting for
the Israeli soldiers to come.

And I knew that once we're there in
Israel, I'll be safe.

They talk to you on the radio and they
say that you have to turn around or

you'll get subject to a rat.

No one seemed very excited. It was just
like a thing to get it done with.

And then they come up with five or six
boats, I'm not sure how many.

Jonathan.

Jonathan.

And then once we're surrounded, they
come with like a loud speaker and they

that you've entered a closed military
zone.

Please sit down and be calm. We're going
to take control of this ship.

They didn't even raise their voice, you
know. It was very, very calm and very

professional in general.

It was definitely a relief to see them
and to know that from now on, if

something happens, then I'll be safe.

They made sure that we had water and
food and that we were treated with some

kind of respect.

After that, we spent three days at a
deportation facility.

I remember how great I actually slept
there. It was the first good sleep I had

in a long time, and it was the first
shower I had in over two weeks.

They served us schnitzel there, which I
had. Some of the other people didn't

want to eat it because it wasn't vegan.

For the prison guards, I was just
another naive and brainwashed activist.

And I could never just tell anyone that
I actually wasn't one of them.

I think after three days, I was
deported.

And then you're out of the country and
you get a 10 -year entry ban.

Now, we did take care of all those who
need to be one of us, but still,

it up in the interior from the red mark
on the doorstep is something that takes

more than two days.

There were crises and problems.

I agreed to join something that I think
was a badly planned and pretty dangerous

mission, just to do something beneficial
for Israel.

And then after, I didn't hear anything
from them, and I was also banned from

entering again.

I had enough integrity to know that I
was being treated badly.

What do you think can happen?

I was there now four hours in the
Knesset with the minister, with the

member. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.

It's going to work. I'm going to fix it.

It was very frustrating not to be able
to come back again.

You know, I have so many things that
this comes down to.

I understand.

I understand.

Very important.

What started as a one -time mission
brought excitement and interest in my

And living in Israel was a major part of
that.

She flew to London to meet Hamas's
mastermind in England, the person she

her campaign, Zahir Birawi.

I wanted to see that my cover story
wasn't compromised.

Because they said that right now
everyone's phones needs to go away

committee in Sweden has decided.

Obviously, they had told him what
happened on the boat.

They did a recording.

Where is that? Why did they put it in
there?

I don't know. I'm not a media person.

I'm not sure. I did the video. I asked
specifically about this. He said she did

not do this.

I did.

I recorded it.

If you see this message, the crew and
the boat has been captured and we've

kidnapped.

I wanted to know what was your feeling
after the interview.

It seems that it was just a quick update
to the president and today's

president has been released.

No, no even interview.

Well, he was visibly upset about the
fact that the Sotiria, in general, not

regarding me, but that the whole project
was not as intense.

That it barely got any attention in the
media.

That the crew on board were having
disagreements.

It seemed like the energy went more into
internal conflict instead of actually

working for a cause.

Anyways, Zahra decided to trust me once
again, and he even offered me to

continue working with him.

Well, how would they let me in?

Maybe with the flotilla or with the fly.

Maybe I would be free. Well, our mission
is kind of that the occupation will be

over by that time. So, yeah, that's the
goal.

I mean, he seemed happy to meet me. He
didn't really have the same insight in

what happened compared to Birawi.

Sorry, we are finished, but the people
will give you some gifts.

Come with me.

I don't have a gift.

Yes, but you are Rawad in Palestine.

We fight with Israel and Marina.

I was

surprised that after all

that happened, no one suspected anything
anymore.

Thank you for your support for the
Palestinian people.

Sure. It's not easy.

No. The sea and the soldiers there in
Israel.

Yeah.

It was an experience. I think you do a
great thing. Thank you. Thank you very

much. Thank you for that. Thank you for
your support in supporting our

issues, our idea.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I got some kind of car for something.

So that was nice of them, but also like,
you know, wrong person to praise as a

hero.

Everyone believed me and I could have
gone back to work, but I realized that

something inside me had changed.

I left Rotterdam.

And probably after that, I started to
process

whatever happened there.

All these lies that this job required me
to tell was taking a heavy toll.

It was time to come out of the shadows
and get back to being myself.

My trust on you now.

And you do a very, very important job
for us. Thank you.

Obviously,

you become something more than just a
normal boss and a normal employee.

So I think we developed like a close
relationship where, you know, that you

the best for their interests and they
take care of my interests and my safety

and my protection.

I have to find a way.

That I can become a good Israeli
citizen.

I want to live there. Come on. I want my
children to be Israeli.

You need to find the right guy to do the
children with him.

Yeah. He'll come. Don't worry.

You can hear and I help you to find the
right guy.

Okay, great. Thank you. Sounds good.

Great. Bye. Have a good night.

Bye. Bye.

Would I do it again?

If I was in the same position, I would
gladly do everything over again.

I'm even a bit sad that my undercover
work has to end now and I will

miss it or at least miss part of it.

I think it's for the best that this is
not a lifelong achievement because it

could have made me very lonely.

For the time being, I had a really great
experience, and I did something which

provided meaning to my life.

What can Israel do with the material
that it has collected? We begin.

Good evening, Ruth.

Good evening. Thanks for having me.

Tell us, how do you feel? How are you?
It feels good. It feels like closure.

We're finally done. At a lot of points,
I didn't think that this day would

actually happen, but here we are, and
I'm really happy about it.

After three years in the mission, is
there any reaction, friends, family?

I appreciate all of the praise I've been
getting from friends and family.

But apart from that, I'm not diving into
whatever is being said about me.

And that's just because I want to be
able to just do normal things and live

life. And be in this really good spot
that I feel where I am right now.

Do you feel safe today? The armed
bodyguard here outside the studio.

He's not as dangerous as he looks.

But yes, there are certain measures in
place that I'm happy that people took

care of.

And that's probably just something I'll
have to live with for a bit.

Those people from Hamas and ISM can do
something, can harm you?

I'm not the one to tell. I can't say
yes. I can't say no. I mean, they can

for sure. And I can do my best to be
safe.

And I try not to think about and
worrying too much because, you know, I

have peace of mind. I want to be happy
and feel good.

Let's talk about the mission. You came
to study in Israel and suddenly you're a

spy. Well, a good example is that, like,
most of the time I'm not in a dangerous

place. I'm just sitting in a chair
drinking coffee somewhere.

But then something happens, and that
becomes, like, a little snippet of my

that we can see.

But, like, to summarize three years,
it's hard because there's so many, like,

different faces and different emotions
and different people I've met.

It's hard to make, like, an accurate...

view of it also for me and i try not to
like dwell too much on the past like

this is where we are now this is what
we've done and like now i'm ready for

the next step whatever that is you're
answering like a spy by the way thank

thank you can you share with us those
your feelings in those moments on the

boat then that they want to throw you to
the sea i think that

like certain dangerous or risky moments
i don't really remember them super

clearly because i was probably pretty
stressed but i've noticed that i'm good

making decisions and staying calm also
in stressful situations and like i i

enjoy excitement like i enjoy being on
the edge sometimes maybe you wouldn't

think that about me because i look like
any you know like basic girl that you

meet whatever but um it makes you feel
alive it makes you feel like you value

life more tell me you decided to throw
the satellite phone in the

laptop and at that moment you you said
that's it that's it i'm it's true i'm

gonna be dead

No, I don't think that I thought that,
but then again, I have a hard time

recalling it.

I think that I thought, okay, let's find
out a way to get out of this. It's just

going to have to happen a bit quicker
than it normally would happen.

And it managed. Like, you know, I'm here
today and these people are sitting in

their crusty sofa somewhere writing
angry Facebook posts.

So I guess we got out of it.

Who is the most dangerous guy in Hamas
that you met? We see here Amin Abu

Zahra Birawi, but who do you consider
the most dangerous one for us, the

Israelis? Usually, or oftentimes, I
don't know what actually happened until

afterwards when I get the background
facts.

But Zahra Birawi, very influential,

very resourceful person.

I wouldn't say that I'm worried, but
he's not stupid, no.

How do you expect that he will react if
you act already?

I hope that they will not react as much
at all and go

on with their life and considering what
they're actually doing.

They're not a nice guy.

I don't think anyone... There's no one
who's good or bad, you know?

There's people with certain ideals and
visions that I don't agree with. That

there's no...

There's no evil people. There's no one I
hate. And I can fully understand most

of the people that I met, why they think
the way they do, although I think that

they're wrong and I think that they're
dangerous and that they're promoting a

dangerous and harmful ideology.

What was the most shocking information
that you brought from them? It's about

hatred, anti -Semitism, money that
they're stealing from the Palestinian

What exactly?

the most shocking information that you
brought?

I think it's a combination of many
people having very strong opinions, but

being very blissfully unaware of other
things. The fact that they pinpoint

certain ideas, but then turn a blind eye
to, let's say, other...

parts of what they would call the
occupation they don't criticize the the

palestinian authority they don't
criticize the gaza authorities they

criticize egypt it's always about israel
and the fact that so many of them think

that all of israel is one evil entity
and everyone needs to die everyone needs

to be gone everyone is a professor um
and it's very it's very like extreme and

sad to see people who live today in the
modern age who are all information is

available to us, but they're still so
uninformed and so naive and very, very

caught up on like a mindset where it's
black and white, where you have a

perpetrator and you have a victim, where
it's not like that.

I think you realize that when you spend
some time here.

You wasn't afraid as a woman to be
inside of, you know, men's and males'

society? I wouldn't say afraid, more
like... very annoyed always but that's

it is in many countries also in europe
you also always need to be careful as a

woman you can never expect to be treated
the same way as a woman as you someone

would treat a man but like for sure
there's a lot of like toxic masculine

culture in the areas where i've been in
the west bank and it's uh it's like

it's ongoing it doesn't stop like you
will be absolutely sexually harassed and

maybe your your organization teammates
won't even take it seriously even though

they're a part of it as well um it's
very it's very blatant very very out

You know, Gilad operates you and
sometimes we as a crew.

And sometimes he puts you to do things
that you refuse to do.

I think if he did so and I said no, he
managed to convince me either way.

the way he is. So he can say no.

So I can say no first, but then he will
find a way to argue in a way that I'll

eventually say yes. But I will.

I would do everything again for him if
he asked me, absolutely.

Yes, I have a lot of respect for him.

Do you feel proud to serve the Israelis,
or you didn't change your views towards

the Israeli conflict, or you just watch
it and you're not taking a side?

No, of course I'm taking a side, but I'm
not taking... I think it's important

to know that I'm not taking exactly the
side of, let's say, you or Gilad,

because our...

Political ideologies are not aligned,
but they're aligned enough that I can do

some good work with it. But, no, we're
different. We have our disagreements as

well, but I think that's necessary in
order to get a new end to whatever we've

done. You know, I'm not, and have ever
been, his puppet, and I've never,

like, I'll bring what's out there. I'll
bring him the truth. I won't always

bring him what exactly he wants.

And I think that's, like, an important
point to make.

What's next? You want to stay in Israel?
What's your dream?

What's tomorrow?

Well, tomorrow, I don't, yeah, it's hard
to envision, but I'll stay here. You

won't get rid of me as easily.

I feel like I have more things to do
here. This is where my network is.

I love being here, and this is where I
see myself.

So you're not afraid to stay in Israel,
to be Israeli, and you want to be

Israeli?

If it's possible, yes.

Then we'll try that. Yeah.

Absolutely. It sounds good.

And what if Gilad will offer you another
mission?

I think he always wants the best for me
and he knows my capabilities. So if he

offers something, I'll probably say yes.

Okay. Ruth, thank you very much. Thank
you. Take care. You're very brave. Thank

you. And hope all your dreams will come
true. Thanks. Glad to be here.

Good evening, I'm Lior Ackerman, a
former member of the Shabak, a senior

researcher at the State University of
Reichmann. Good evening.

We're editing the video here. Look,
there's a intelligence agency here,

an investigation, how do you see this?

It's hard for me to know what's going on
today, in real time, in the

intelligence agency.

Shabak collects information completely
about what's happening in the area

That means, how do I anticipate a
terrorist operation in the area, or a

political change for no reason? Shabak
knows how to track them, we see the

And with very high success.

Mossad is doing the same thing outside
of the borders of Israel.

It could be that there is some kind of
activity here that fell between the two.

On the one hand, the Hamas activists are
not really direct terrorists, but in

the war on awareness.

And no one sees in it, perhaps, some
kind of war that really requires the

mobilization of these organizations.

Yes. Someone has to do in this country,
someone with shoes, to decide on a

strategy of whether we...

We are looking, searching, and finding
our enemies also outside the state, and

how we are fighting it.

And by the way, one note, the whole
issue of war against money, terrorist

is a very, very serious war. Very
controversial, right.

To our regret, a large part of it was
carried out in recent years by civilian

factors, which are outside the
government at all, and not by the

factors of the State of Israel. I think
the State of Israel will do it right,

that it will deal with it officially.

And because of that, you're stopping
funds.

I don't know how much money is being
spent here, but for the protection of

for the peace in Gaza, hundreds of
millions, up to almost two billion

year are spent on a terror attack,
officially, by the world.

That's right. As you see, behind every
Haruri statue, there's a Birawi statue,

and I'm referring, of course, to two of
our figures, one of which is, possibly,

legitimate, and one less.

Gil Adach, good evening.

Director, up to here.

Listen, what an action you've made.

And what is the agenda?

What is the agenda for this day, for
tomorrow?

Claims, creation of corruption.

There are a lot of things that are a
claim against Hamas, even in the United

States.

Or that claim against you.

There are a lot of things that are a
claim against you. In three years of the

operation, which everyone is filming,
you have a video of 3 ,000 hours.

There are a lot of anecdotes from the
clear ideology of hating Jews through

complete operations.

But in the end, if I look at it as
something on the macro level, We

that the Hamas has the military and the
human rights organizations. It's the

Hamas. It's the Hamas for everything
that matters. It gets supplies, it gets

aid, it gets aid in order to advance the
Hamas agendas.

I can explain exactly why.

I mean, as soon as Israel connects the
narrative in the international arena,

which is Satan, which is the IDF, they
are the terrorists.

Now, if you come and kill people like
that, you are no longer a terrorist

organization. You are a free fighter.

And there are many, many campaigns that
are working to advance this agenda. For

example, the seven steps that we all
heard started on March 30, 2018.

Their initiative was not in Gaza.

Who initiated them? He sat in London.
London, Turkey. I don't know. Why did

youth's movement start in Turkey?
Exactly. So a person sits in London,

seven steps.

But how can you explain the European and
American side of this? That's the

question. Only if you're a friend of the
European Union, you know what it is.

It's legitimate.

How do you explain it?

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A little religious issues at the
university, and thank you. You can stop

That's exactly what I want to talk
about.

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

This separation between the state and
the state... That's not true. The state

the one that separates us. I don't know
if Israel does that, but Israel

ignores... After the attack of Abu
Shihadeh in Iraq, he says, it's not a

terrorist organization. It's not a
terrorist organization. It's not a

organization. It's not a terrorist
organization.

It's not a terrorist organization.

But Hamas is not there.

It still defines itself as an
organization that is Jewish, that

state of Israel, as well as Palestine
and all the rest of the Middle East.

Terror. And therefore, for us, for
Israel, it is forbidden to make this

separation in any case between the state
and the state.

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What changed?

What changed?

He changed his attitude in Europe.

He has a lot of support. By the way, the
Palestinian Authority doesn't exist

here. It's also an interesting thing to
see. Gilad, there is no Palestinian

Authority. There is no Palestinian
Authority in Europe.

Today, the only representatives of the
Palestinians in Europe are Hamas. They

say Palestinians, but in the whole world
it's Gaza, isn't it? That's right. And

they say it. It's also recorded, by the
way.

When we sent the girl to establish an
ISM branch in Gaza, they actually sent

to Yif Eksafim, a man who is not known
on the networks. I assume that the

organizations know him.

But he told her two interesting things.
One, he told her, I received $233

million from Qatar for this activity.

That's the amount of $233 million from
Qatar.

He says, it's a lot of money.

He tells her, no, for the Qataris it's
not a lot of money.

The second thing, he tells her, we're
here, we're saying that we're

Palestinians, the Palestinian Authority,
we're actually Hamas. The Europeans

don't understand the difference.

That is, there's a mechanism here,
Qatar, Qatar money, that activates Hamas

Europe, that activates human rights
organizations.

And all of this acts against the state
of Israel. What do you think about

waiting, perhaps in the current
administration, to stop foreign money

institutions, which can also harm your
institution?

I don't think it's about Israeli
organizations. I'm talking about

American organizations.

I think there's a bit of confusion here
between two things. There are Israeli

organizations that operate here under
the cover of foreign governments. Like

Bezalem, Shovrim, Shetikai, Eshdin. The
one who is behind them is the government

of Ireland and the government of
Germany.

This is a government.

This is one thing.

We are talking about organizations that
operate in Europe and in the United

States that send help here. At any given
moment, there are 100 -200 European

activists. Their organization is known
in the United States and in Europe. It

not an Israeli organization.

Now, their money, as we said, comes from
Qatar and from Hamas in Europe.

Okay, so these are two different things.

So, yes, from an Israeli perspective, to
my taste, what can be done, and the

time has come, after the development
that we see in terrorist organizations,

time has come to establish a unity.

or to define in one of the bodies a
single person who will take care of

organizations as an accomplice to
terror.

And then there will be people who, these
are their criteria, when they wake up

in the morning, they will be tested.

Did you succeed in investigating? Did
you not succeed in investigating?

Did you succeed in stopping the money?

And so on.

The last question, in the course of
these things, will it make the struggle

easier here, that head to head against
Hamas without money outside?

First of all, I think we need to
define...

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Both against what is happening in Gaza
and against what is happening in other

places. We have to understand that in
the State of Israel there are many

partners for this.

Many. Today in the Middle East there is
Saudi Arabia, Israel, Jordan.

The United States, the Americans, even
if they allow such activity to happen,

but the moment you give them proof, it
cuts.

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to present these people as terrorists,
and to explain that from our point of

view, they are prisoners of war,
prisoners of war, and to start putting

on the countries to wait for this
activity.

Thank you very much, Lior Akerman, Gil
Adach, before we separate, there is

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