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In the criminal justice
system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate,
yet equally important groups:
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the police,
who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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I heard the good news.
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I still can't believe it.
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And thank you so much
for writing that letter.
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It means the world to me.
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He's a great kid.
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Princeton's lucky to get him.
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No, I mean that.
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Really?
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He doesn't even nod hello?
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I mean, here we are, working
on a Saturday to make him rich.
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He doesn't even say hello?
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You're missing the point.
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We're here to make
ourselves rich.
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We're using him,
just like he's using us.
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The lady over there
saw the body,
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called 911.
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- Did she see anything else?
- No, sir. Just the body.
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Any other
potential witnesses?
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No, sir.
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That's a lot of rage.
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Those are
some very deep wounds.
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Thinking maybe a pipe
or maybe a bat?
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Got an ID?
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We didn't touch him.
We were waiting for you guys.
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His wedding band
and watch are still on him.
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Got a wallet.
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Jon Geller, Higson Capital.
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Geller.
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I know that name.
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Wall Street guy, right?
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He's kind of a legend.
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Can you bag that?
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Yes, ma'am.
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Probably on his way
to his beach house
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or someplace fabulous.
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Yeah, but once in a while,
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it's not so good
to be a legend.
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Cause of death was--
you guessed it--
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blunt force trauma.
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Pretty vicious attack.
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10, possibly 11, blows
to the head and face
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with a heavy object.
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Any idea what kind?
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No, but based on the wounds,
something with a sharp
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and thin edge to it,
like a crowbar.
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Anything else?
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Found some third-party DNA
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under Geller's nails.
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Figures.
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The guy's been
scratching and clawing
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his entire life, right?
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Are you sure?
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He's not the only Jon Geller
in New York.
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Yeah, we're sure.
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Um, I'm very sorry.
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We just need to ask you
a few questions.
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Were you aware of his plans
for the day?
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Uh, he was heading
out to Long Island
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to play golf with a client.
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Was he driving?
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No, no, no.
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He was--he was taking
his helicopter.
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He stopped by the office first.
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Was there anything unusual
happening lately?
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Anyone harassing him,
stalking him, threatening him?
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- Oh.
- Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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I got you. OK, all right.
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Take a seat. Take a seat.
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OK, breathe.
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OK, just breathe.
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According to
the video surveillance
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we just watched,
you guys met with Geller
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earlier this morning?
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Uh, correct.
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And how long
did you guys meet for?
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About ten minutes,
maybe less.
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What'd you talk about?
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Business.
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Did he seem upset or agitated
or everything seemed normal?
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Uh, both.
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What does that mean?
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Jon's normal state of being--
at work, anyway--
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was being agitated, so both.
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That your impression as well?
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Yeah, more or less.
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He was a little more agitated
than usual.
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Why is that?
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Because the deal we were
working on hasn't closed yet.
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He thought we weren't
working hard enough.
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Did he mention anything
about his plans for the day,
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where he was going,
who he was meeting with?
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No.
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To your knowledge, was anyone
harassing or threatening him?
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No.
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Is there anything
you can tell us
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that you think
might be helpful?
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He was carrying a putter.
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He just had it custom made.
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He said it was going
to change his life.
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Good chance that new putter
was the murder weapon.
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Really changed
the guy's life too.
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Excuse me.
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Are you the assistant
for Mr. Geller?
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Yes, I heard what happened,
and I rushed over.
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I wanted to see
if I could help with anything.
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What time did you arrive?
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About ten minutes ago.
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Did you happen to talk with
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or text Mr. Geller
this morning?
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Yes, we texted around 8:30.
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About what?
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His flight to Bridgehampton.
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Was he traveling alone?
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No.
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I was waiting for him
at the helipad.
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I just thought
he was running late
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or got caught
on an early morning Zoom.
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So I left and got a coffee.
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And you and Mr. Geller were
heading to Long Island
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to play golf?
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Is that right?
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Yes.
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Which course?
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Um, the one he belongs to.
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It's private.
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You don't know
the name of it?
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No.
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Let me remind you
that we're investigating
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a homicide here, OK?
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So anything that you say
is actually--
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Sorry.
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We weren't going out
to play golf.
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We were gonna spend
the weekend together.
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Just the two of you?
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We were dating.
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So was this
a serious thing or--
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Yes.
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Did Mr. Geller's wife know?
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Jon said he was gonna
tell her about us,
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ask for a divorce.
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But he didn't wanna hurt her.
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Did you actually see Jon
this morning?
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Speak to him?
- No.
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He told me to meet him
at the helipad at 10:00.
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Any altercations?
Any arguments?
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Well, last night,
Jon and his wife
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got into an argument
over the phone.
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It sounded pretty heated.
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You know what it was about?
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Not really.
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But I heard Jon say,
this is happening,
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whether you like it or not.
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And then he just sort of
stormed off,
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told me he'd meet me
at the helipad.
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And that was it.
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That was the last time
I saw him.
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Do you think it's possible
that Geller told her
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about you and the divorce?
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Yeah.
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He said he was going to.
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Wait, you don't think that--
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Wait, you're telling me
that Jon was--
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he was dating a man?
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Yeah.
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His name is Matt Thomas.
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I find that
very hard to believe.
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We're just telling you
what we know.
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This man was meeting Jon
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at the East End helipad
yesterday morning.
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And he also says he heard
Jon having an argument with you
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the night before he was killed.
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What are you talking about?
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They were out at a bar,
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and he heard Jon say,
this is happening,
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whether you like it or not.
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Was he asking you
for a divorce?
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A divorce?
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No.
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We were arguing
about our son, Shane.
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Jon wanted him
to repeat the sixth grade.
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He thought it would give him
a tactical advantage,
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you know, him being older
than other kids.
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And I thought it was overkill.
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That's what we were
arguing about.
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Did you find the person
who killed my dad?
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No, not yet, but we are
doing everything we can,
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I promise you.
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Shane, honey,
please go up to your room, OK?
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Mrs. Geller,
I apologize in advance,
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but where were you
yesterday morning at 9:45 a.m.?
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Well, I had a Pilates class
in the West Village.
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I know
we asked you this earlier,
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but can you think of anyone
that was harassing
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or threatening your husband?
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There's this one guy at work.
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He was threatening to sue Jon
for a lot of money.
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You all right?
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Yeah.
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I was thinking
about Geller's wife.
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Dead bodies I can handle,
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but telling innocent people
secrets about their loved ones?
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Not my favorite.
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Yeah, I get it.
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Part of the deal,
though, right?
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Talking with perfect strangers
on the worst day of their life,
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asking them personal questions,
telling them things
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they never knew
about their loved ones.
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Hell of a job.
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Sorry to bother you,
Mr. Addis.
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I'm sort of
in the middle of something.
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Eh, this won't take long.
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We want to know why you were
threatening to sue Geller.
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Excuse me.
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Jon led me to believe
that I was going to be
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named CEO when he retired.
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Told me that, like,
five or six times.
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But he appointed
somebody else instead?
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Carter Getzelman.
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Good guy.
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We went to business school
together.
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But I was still upset.
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I've had lots of lucrative
offers over the past few years,
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and every time I got one,
Jon persuaded me to stay,
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told me I was going to run
the firm when he retired.
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But I never actually sued him.
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Why is that?
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We talked it out
and renegotiated
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my employment contract
for the better.
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How come
you didn't tell us this
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last time we spoke?
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Well, you never asked.
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I'm pretty sure we did.
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Huh.
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I lied. Habit.
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Excuse me?
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Three rules of Wall Street--
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never admit defeat,
never use your own money,
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and never tell the truth.
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- Are you trying to be funny?
- Mm, a little.
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Knock it off.
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I didn't kill Jon Geller.
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That's ridiculous.
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Truth is, I liked him
and respected him.
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He taught me a lot
and made me rich too.
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You happen to exit
the building that day
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after Geller left?
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I went for a quick lunch
around 1:00.
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Got a receipt?
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Paid in cash.
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Didn't know
you could still do that.
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Ooh.
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Guys, I need to take this.
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Addis.
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These Wall Street dudes are
so proud of being ruthless.
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I'm not sure if this
Addis guy is as OK
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as he suggests
at being passed over.
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Only thing
more intoxicating than money
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is power, right?
- Yeah.
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And how about that video?
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There's footage of him
leaving the building
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at 12:49 p.m.
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Nothing before that?
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No, but I'm guessing
there's a back exit.
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For all we know, he could have
snuck out and snuck back in.
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DNA results are in.
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OK.
273
00:11:37,174 --> 00:11:39,567
This is just officially
getting ridiculous.
274
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Yes, it is,
but we need to talk.
275
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And why is that?
276
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Because your DNA matches
the DNA found
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under Geller's fingernails.
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00:11:45,226 --> 00:11:46,313
That's impossible.
279
00:11:46,314 --> 00:11:47,662
No, it's not impossible
at all.
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We borrowed
some of the coffee cups
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from the conference room.
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Turns out the saliva--
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00:11:51,188 --> 00:11:52,972
I don't drink coffee.
284
00:11:52,973 --> 00:11:54,408
Never have.
285
00:11:54,409 --> 00:11:56,976
So if the cups you borrowed
had coffee in them,
286
00:11:56,977 --> 00:11:58,368
it wasn't me.
287
00:11:58,369 --> 00:12:00,327
This is my stimulant of choice.
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00:12:05,246 --> 00:12:06,594
Nick Rossi.
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00:12:06,595 --> 00:12:07,900
What's going on?
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00:12:07,901 --> 00:12:09,075
Can you give me that cup
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00:12:09,076 --> 00:12:10,337
and put your hands
behind your back?
292
00:12:10,338 --> 00:12:11,512
Why?
293
00:12:11,513 --> 00:12:12,687
Because you're under arrest
294
00:12:12,688 --> 00:12:14,036
for the murder of Jon Geller.
295
00:12:14,037 --> 00:12:15,559
What?
296
00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:16,952
We found your DNA under
Jon Geller's fingernails.
297
00:12:16,953 --> 00:12:18,562
People who commit murder
shouldn't leave
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00:12:18,563 --> 00:12:20,347
half-empty coffee cups
lying around.
299
00:12:28,791 --> 00:12:31,533
We just found your DNA
under Geller's fingernails.
300
00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:35,231
And a patrol officer
just found the putter,
301
00:12:35,232 --> 00:12:38,539
the one that you used to smash
Geller's skull, in a dumpster.
302
00:12:38,540 --> 00:12:39,888
So I'm guessing we're gonna
find your fingerprints
303
00:12:39,889 --> 00:12:42,369
all over that too.
304
00:12:42,370 --> 00:12:44,980
And if that wasn't enough,
we've got video
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00:12:44,981 --> 00:12:47,504
of you leaving the office
the morning of the murder
306
00:12:47,505 --> 00:12:50,986
at 8:48 a.m.
307
00:12:50,987 --> 00:12:54,207
You don't return until 11:17.
308
00:12:54,208 --> 00:12:56,863
So what happened, huh?
309
00:12:57,602 --> 00:13:00,867
Why'd you attack this guy?
310
00:13:01,128 --> 00:13:03,520
You know, I looked at your bio.
311
00:13:03,521 --> 00:13:05,522
You graduated
top of your class at Fordham.
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00:13:05,523 --> 00:13:07,481
You played lacrosse.
You got a clean record.
313
00:13:07,482 --> 00:13:10,876
I mean,
you seem like a good kid.
314
00:13:10,877 --> 00:13:14,227
But good kids don't
kill people.
315
00:13:14,228 --> 00:13:16,446
Not without a reason, right?
316
00:13:16,447 --> 00:13:19,537
A good reason?
317
00:13:19,842 --> 00:13:21,800
You know, Nick,
believe it or not,
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00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:23,932
I actually am trying
to help you here,
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00:13:23,933 --> 00:13:25,586
but I can't do that
320
00:13:25,587 --> 00:13:28,632
if you don't tell me
your side of the story.
321
00:13:28,633 --> 00:13:30,634
So just start at the beginning.
322
00:13:30,635 --> 00:13:32,027
What did Geller say?
What did Geller do?
323
00:13:32,028 --> 00:13:33,855
He is the most disrespectful
human being
324
00:13:33,856 --> 00:13:35,074
I've ever met.
325
00:13:35,075 --> 00:13:37,424
He treats people like--
he acts like--
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00:13:37,425 --> 00:13:41,081
he acts like he owns you.
327
00:13:41,298 --> 00:13:44,518
That must be
very hard to deal with.
328
00:13:44,519 --> 00:13:46,172
I know if someone treated me
that way day after day--
329
00:13:46,173 --> 00:13:47,913
I'm done talking.
330
00:13:47,914 --> 00:13:50,481
I want a lawyer.
331
00:13:55,051 --> 00:13:57,096
Thanks for doing this.
332
00:13:57,097 --> 00:13:59,708
Please.
333
00:14:02,667 --> 00:14:05,321
The evidence against
Mr. Rossi is strong.
334
00:14:05,322 --> 00:14:08,281
It's clear
that he killed Mr. Geller.
335
00:14:08,282 --> 00:14:12,154
What I'm trying
to understand is why.
336
00:14:12,155 --> 00:14:14,504
Was there anything going on
between these two?
337
00:14:14,505 --> 00:14:16,332
Anything unusual?
338
00:14:16,333 --> 00:14:18,813
Anything unrelated to work?
339
00:14:18,814 --> 00:14:20,859
Not that I'm aware of.
340
00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:22,686
But they definitely weren't
romantically involved,
341
00:14:22,687 --> 00:14:24,384
if that's what
you're suggesting.
342
00:14:24,385 --> 00:14:26,865
And what made Rossi,
who is seemingly
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00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:29,868
a normal,
law-abiding young man,
344
00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:33,611
commit such a violent act?
345
00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:39,312
The defendant worked
with Jon Geller for five years.
346
00:14:39,313 --> 00:14:42,358
He was paid
quite handsomely as well.
347
00:14:42,359 --> 00:14:48,016
Last year, his total
compensation was $745,000.
348
00:14:48,017 --> 00:14:51,150
That's not bad for someone
who just turned 27.
349
00:14:51,151 --> 00:14:55,806
And yet, the defendant
despised John Geller.
350
00:14:55,807 --> 00:14:58,418
He thought
he was disrespectful,
351
00:14:58,419 --> 00:14:59,985
dismissive, abusive.
352
00:14:59,986 --> 00:15:02,248
And for the most part,
he'd been able
353
00:15:02,249 --> 00:15:04,903
to keep this disdain in check
354
00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:08,036
and carry out
his professional obligations.
355
00:15:08,037 --> 00:15:11,126
But on July 19th,
356
00:15:11,127 --> 00:15:14,086
on a crisp, sunny
Saturday morning,
357
00:15:14,087 --> 00:15:16,653
something triggered him
358
00:15:16,654 --> 00:15:20,744
to viciously attack
and kill Jon Geller.
359
00:15:20,745 --> 00:15:24,574
To be honest, we don't know
the reason for this attack,
360
00:15:24,575 --> 00:15:26,794
but we do know
the evidence will show
361
00:15:26,795 --> 00:15:28,752
the defendant confronted
Mr. Geller
362
00:15:28,753 --> 00:15:30,450
near the East End helipad
363
00:15:30,451 --> 00:15:33,888
and beat him to death
364
00:15:33,889 --> 00:15:36,064
with a golf club.
365
00:15:36,065 --> 00:15:38,893
The defendant may look
like just another
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00:15:38,894 --> 00:15:42,418
clean-cut
former lacrosse player
367
00:15:42,419 --> 00:15:44,116
trying to make it big
on Wall Street.
368
00:15:44,117 --> 00:15:46,422
And for the most part, he was,
369
00:15:46,423 --> 00:15:49,338
until the morning of July 19th, anyway.
370
00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:53,821
On that day, he turned
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00:15:53,822 --> 00:15:59,436
into a vengeful
and cold-blooded killer.
372
00:16:04,398 --> 00:16:08,618
You've all heard
of Battered Wife Syndrome--
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00:16:08,619 --> 00:16:12,057
or Abused Person Syndrome,
374
00:16:12,058 --> 00:16:14,973
as they say here in New York.
375
00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:20,630
Nick Rossi was a victim
of something very similar,
376
00:16:20,631 --> 00:16:22,676
Battered Banker Syndrome.
377
00:16:22,677 --> 00:16:24,243
The victims
of this abuse suffer
378
00:16:24,244 --> 00:16:27,637
the same debilitating
and disturbing
379
00:16:27,638 --> 00:16:30,510
psychological trauma
as those who suffer
380
00:16:30,511 --> 00:16:32,207
from Abused Person Syndrome.
381
00:16:32,208 --> 00:16:35,515
Jon Geller mentally tortured
382
00:16:35,516 --> 00:16:38,692
and abused Nick Rossi
for years.
383
00:16:38,693 --> 00:16:42,696
The abuse was so extreme
and its effect on Mr. Rossi
384
00:16:42,697 --> 00:16:45,612
so profound
that Mr. Rossi truly believed
385
00:16:45,613 --> 00:16:47,875
the only way
to extricate himself
386
00:16:47,876 --> 00:16:50,617
from this abusive relationship
387
00:16:50,618 --> 00:16:55,144
was to kill the man
abusing him.
388
00:16:57,625 --> 00:17:01,497
"Battered Banker Syndrome"
is neither a legal concept
389
00:17:01,498 --> 00:17:03,195
nor a psychological condition.
390
00:17:03,196 --> 00:17:06,154
It is a made-up buzzword.
391
00:17:06,155 --> 00:17:09,201
It's a clever phrase
the defense invented
392
00:17:09,202 --> 00:17:11,812
with the goal of blaming
Mr. Geller for his own death.
393
00:17:11,813 --> 00:17:13,683
They're--they're trying
to put Geller on trial
394
00:17:13,684 --> 00:17:15,163
instead of the person
who killed him.
395
00:17:15,164 --> 00:17:17,209
This is nothing more
than a thinly veiled attempt
396
00:17:17,210 --> 00:17:19,733
to goad the jury
into ignoring the law.
397
00:17:19,734 --> 00:17:22,388
There's nothing veiled about
what we're trying to do here.
398
00:17:22,389 --> 00:17:26,566
We want people to understand
just how degrading
399
00:17:26,567 --> 00:17:30,004
and stressful it was
to work for Jon Geller.
400
00:17:30,005 --> 00:17:33,138
And this
Battered Banker thing?
401
00:17:33,139 --> 00:17:35,531
Is merely a variation
of a well-known condition.
402
00:17:35,532 --> 00:17:37,403
In many ways,
it's the exact same thing.
403
00:17:37,404 --> 00:17:40,710
The psychological consequences
of an abusive employer
404
00:17:40,711 --> 00:17:42,930
to an employee are akin
405
00:17:42,931 --> 00:17:44,975
to those of an abusive husband
to his wife.
406
00:17:44,976 --> 00:17:46,586
Except for the fact
that bosses
407
00:17:46,587 --> 00:17:48,501
aren't named in the statute.
408
00:17:48,502 --> 00:17:50,590
This law is meant
to address children,
409
00:17:50,591 --> 00:17:51,808
wives, domestic partners.
410
00:17:51,809 --> 00:17:53,245
Or persons who are
or have been
411
00:17:53,246 --> 00:17:54,811
in an intimate relationship.
412
00:17:54,812 --> 00:17:57,031
Correct, intimate,
not professional.
413
00:17:57,032 --> 00:17:58,685
Well, when you spend
100 hours a week together
414
00:17:58,686 --> 00:17:59,990
in an office building--
415
00:17:59,991 --> 00:18:01,818
No, no, no. That is ridiculous.
416
00:18:01,819 --> 00:18:03,603
If the legislature
wanted to include
417
00:18:03,604 --> 00:18:05,866
employers in the statute,
they would have done so.
418
00:18:05,867 --> 00:18:08,999
Furthermore,
there's no evidence whatsoever
419
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,132
that Geller was ever
physically abusive.
420
00:18:11,133 --> 00:18:12,655
That's not true.
421
00:18:12,656 --> 00:18:14,266
Geller was constantly
threatening to harm my client.
422
00:18:14,267 --> 00:18:15,745
No, it was all hyperbole--
423
00:18:15,746 --> 00:18:18,008
Ah, a threat is a threat.
424
00:18:18,009 --> 00:18:19,445
That's a fair point.
425
00:18:19,446 --> 00:18:21,838
But the facts don't
even remotely support
426
00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:23,057
a claim of self-defense.
427
00:18:23,058 --> 00:18:24,580
The defendant followed Geller
428
00:18:24,581 --> 00:18:25,668
to the East End helipad.
429
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:28,193
He pursued the victim.
430
00:18:28,194 --> 00:18:29,629
I understand.
431
00:18:29,630 --> 00:18:31,500
And if you're right,
and if the facts are
432
00:18:31,501 --> 00:18:34,155
as clear as you suggest,
the jury will see that.
433
00:18:34,156 --> 00:18:36,331
But Mr. Damaso is
free to present
434
00:18:36,332 --> 00:18:38,594
the defense he wants,
flaws and all.
435
00:18:38,595 --> 00:18:40,901
Your Honor,
they are inventing a narrative
436
00:18:40,902 --> 00:18:43,599
for the sole purpose
of confusing the jury.
437
00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,253
Pretty sure
that's Mr. Damaso's job.
438
00:18:56,831 --> 00:18:58,440
Mr. Addis,
could you please describe
439
00:18:58,441 --> 00:18:59,615
your general impression
440
00:18:59,616 --> 00:19:00,660
of the relationship
between Mr. Geller
441
00:19:00,661 --> 00:19:01,878
and the defendant?
442
00:19:01,879 --> 00:19:04,098
My general impression is,
443
00:19:04,099 --> 00:19:05,839
they really didn't have
a relationship.
444
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,148
I'm not sure Jon even knew
Nick's first name.
445
00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:12,019
And what was
your general impression
446
00:19:12,020 --> 00:19:14,587
of the defendant's opinion
of Mr. Geller?
447
00:19:14,588 --> 00:19:16,589
Well, he hated him
with a passion.
448
00:19:16,590 --> 00:19:17,981
Why do you say that?
449
00:19:17,982 --> 00:19:19,200
Because he told me
all the time.
450
00:19:19,201 --> 00:19:20,201
Geller drove him crazy.
451
00:19:20,202 --> 00:19:22,334
Can you be more specific?
452
00:19:22,335 --> 00:19:25,424
Geller was all about
business, money.
453
00:19:25,425 --> 00:19:26,555
Two and twenty.
454
00:19:26,556 --> 00:19:28,035
What does that mean?
455
00:19:28,036 --> 00:19:30,080
We get 2% of the assets
under management
456
00:19:30,081 --> 00:19:31,212
and 20% of the profits.
457
00:19:31,213 --> 00:19:33,171
That's all
that Geller focused on,
458
00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:36,174
growing our assets
and increasing our profits.
459
00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:39,612
He had absolutely no interest
in anything else,
460
00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:41,179
no empathy for employees,
461
00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:43,485
no interest in
people's personal lives.
462
00:19:43,486 --> 00:19:44,965
But everyone knew that.
463
00:19:44,966 --> 00:19:46,271
That was the bargain
we all made.
464
00:19:46,272 --> 00:19:48,621
Work like a dog,
be treated like crap,
465
00:19:48,622 --> 00:19:51,319
get rich by 35.
466
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,408
But Nick didn't seem
to comprehend that.
467
00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:54,975
He never quite figured out
468
00:19:54,976 --> 00:19:56,629
that he'd made a deal
with the devil.
469
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:58,239
Did the defendant ever say
that he intended
470
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,372
to inflict harm
upon Mr. Geller?
471
00:20:00,373 --> 00:20:02,200
- Yes.
- When was this?
472
00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:05,203
About a week or so
before Geller was killed.
473
00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:06,421
What did he say?
474
00:20:06,422 --> 00:20:08,597
He was tired of Geller
disrespecting him.
475
00:20:08,598 --> 00:20:11,296
Said if he kept it up,
he was going to beat his ass.
476
00:20:11,297 --> 00:20:14,124
To be honest,
I just thought he was venting.
477
00:20:14,125 --> 00:20:15,604
Can you please describe
what happened
478
00:20:15,605 --> 00:20:17,606
on the morning of July 19th?
479
00:20:17,607 --> 00:20:19,739
Nick and I were working,
trying to close a deal
480
00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:21,219
we'd been working on
for months.
481
00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:23,221
And Geller stopped by,
carrying this new putter
482
00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:26,441
he had custom built,
and he was pissed.
483
00:20:26,442 --> 00:20:29,488
He said that we needed
to close the deal this week,
484
00:20:29,489 --> 00:20:31,446
or we'd both be fired.
485
00:20:31,447 --> 00:20:32,752
And then what happened?
486
00:20:32,753 --> 00:20:36,843
He left, said he was off
to the Hamptons.
487
00:20:36,844 --> 00:20:38,888
How did the defendant react?
488
00:20:38,889 --> 00:20:41,239
He just kept complaining
about Geller.
489
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,849
And then
about 15 minutes later,
490
00:20:42,850 --> 00:20:45,199
he just walked out.
491
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,374
Did he tell you
where he was going?
492
00:20:46,375 --> 00:20:47,854
No.
493
00:20:47,855 --> 00:20:50,248
I just assumed that he had hit
his breaking point,
494
00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:51,510
that he quit.
495
00:20:51,511 --> 00:20:52,946
Happens a lot.
496
00:20:52,947 --> 00:20:55,471
Nothing further.
497
00:20:56,777 --> 00:20:59,692
If Mr. Rossi wanted
to go home
498
00:20:59,693 --> 00:21:03,739
and take a nap
on the morning of July 19th,
499
00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:05,393
Mr. Geller would have
fired him, correct?
500
00:21:05,394 --> 00:21:07,134
Yes, absolutely.
501
00:21:07,135 --> 00:21:09,702
If Nick Rossi were ill
502
00:21:09,703 --> 00:21:13,096
and left the office
to see a doctor,
503
00:21:13,097 --> 00:21:14,750
Geller would have fired him
for that as well, correct?
504
00:21:14,751 --> 00:21:17,144
No, Geller wasn't that crazy.
505
00:21:17,145 --> 00:21:19,102
He probably would have
just tortured him
506
00:21:19,103 --> 00:21:21,148
a little bit down the road.
507
00:21:21,149 --> 00:21:24,456
Look, this business
isn't for everyone.
508
00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:26,980
But if you sign up for it,
if you're lucky enough
509
00:21:26,981 --> 00:21:29,156
to get one of the coveted
few seats of the table,
510
00:21:29,157 --> 00:21:30,679
you don't get to be soft.
511
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,986
You have to be prepared
to do whatever it takes--
512
00:21:32,987 --> 00:21:34,161
working through illnesses,
513
00:21:34,162 --> 00:21:37,033
birthday dinners,
friends' weddings.
514
00:21:37,034 --> 00:21:40,123
If you don't want to do that
or you can't do that,
515
00:21:40,124 --> 00:21:41,908
then get a job
whipping up cappuccinos
516
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:45,433
at a café in the West Village.
517
00:21:45,434 --> 00:21:48,742
Nothing further.
518
00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:51,439
There were several
lacerations to the scalp,
519
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,443
including a linear laceration
measuring 13 centimeters
520
00:21:55,444 --> 00:21:59,404
on the left temporal region
and a stellate laceration
521
00:21:59,405 --> 00:22:02,798
with surrounding abrasions
on the right parietal region.
522
00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:04,974
Multiple skull fractures
were identified
523
00:22:04,975 --> 00:22:06,280
on the left frontal lobe,
524
00:22:06,281 --> 00:22:08,369
as well as evidence
of cerebral contusions
525
00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:10,589
and subarachnoid hemorrhage.
526
00:22:10,590 --> 00:22:11,807
Does the medical report state
527
00:22:11,808 --> 00:22:13,940
how many times
Mr. Geller was struck?
528
00:22:13,941 --> 00:22:15,637
Yes.
529
00:22:15,638 --> 00:22:18,161
Based on an examination
of the decedent's injuries,
530
00:22:18,162 --> 00:22:20,468
the decedent was struck
at least 10,
531
00:22:20,469 --> 00:22:23,428
possibly 11 times
with violent force.
532
00:22:23,429 --> 00:22:25,821
Is there a reason
why the medical examiner
533
00:22:25,822 --> 00:22:27,432
wasn't more exact?
534
00:22:27,433 --> 00:22:29,434
Sometimes when the violence
is so severe,
535
00:22:29,435 --> 00:22:31,349
it's just impossible
for the medical examiner
536
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,438
to determine
exactly how many blows
537
00:22:33,439 --> 00:22:36,136
were administered with any
real degree of certainty.
538
00:22:36,137 --> 00:22:38,747
In other words,
this attack was so violent,
539
00:22:38,748 --> 00:22:39,792
it is impossible
for the medical--
540
00:22:39,793 --> 00:22:40,880
Objection.
541
00:22:40,881 --> 00:22:42,926
Sustained.
542
00:22:43,144 --> 00:22:44,623
Nothing further.
543
00:22:44,624 --> 00:22:46,973
No questions.
544
00:22:46,974 --> 00:22:48,453
People rest.
545
00:22:50,891 --> 00:22:52,587
Photos seemed
to do the trick.
546
00:22:52,588 --> 00:22:55,373
The jury was horrified,
in a good way.
547
00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:56,809
I just need
to keep reminding them
548
00:22:56,810 --> 00:22:59,420
that Geller was the victim,
not Rossi,
549
00:22:59,421 --> 00:23:01,509
and that having a bad boss
doesn't give you
550
00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:02,945
the right to commit murder.
551
00:23:02,946 --> 00:23:04,382
Yeah.
552
00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,340
The problem is,
people hate bad bosses,
553
00:23:06,341 --> 00:23:08,995
and lots of people have them,
which means
554
00:23:08,996 --> 00:23:11,737
some or even most of the jury
have them.
555
00:23:11,738 --> 00:23:14,740
That may be true,
but that's a good thing too.
556
00:23:14,741 --> 00:23:16,176
Why is that?
557
00:23:16,177 --> 00:23:18,221
Well, none of the jurors
killed their bad boss.
558
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,442
You didn't know my husband.
You don't know--
559
00:23:21,443 --> 00:23:23,096
And you don't know my son.
560
00:23:23,097 --> 00:23:24,227
Why didn't he just quit?
561
00:23:24,228 --> 00:23:25,533
He didn't have to bash
his face in!
562
00:23:25,534 --> 00:23:27,187
Your husband treated him
like dirt!
563
00:23:27,188 --> 00:23:28,449
Didn't let him come
to my wedding.
564
00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:29,668
My wedding!
- OK, OK.
565
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:30,973
- That's what he--
- OK, OK. Calm down.
566
00:23:30,974 --> 00:23:32,279
- Stop talking to me!
- Screw your wedding!
567
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,367
Everyone, back up, now.
568
00:23:33,368 --> 00:23:35,936
At least you have
your husband!
569
00:23:36,502 --> 00:23:38,546
I know
you're just doing your job,
570
00:23:38,547 --> 00:23:40,722
but you're on the wrong end
of this one.
571
00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:42,637
A man can only be pushed
so far.
572
00:23:42,638 --> 00:23:45,424
Let's go.
Time to leave.
573
00:23:51,908 --> 00:23:53,387
Dr. Morley, did you have
the opportunity
574
00:23:53,388 --> 00:23:55,084
to examine Mr. Rossi?
575
00:23:55,085 --> 00:23:56,172
I did.
576
00:23:56,173 --> 00:23:58,131
And what were
your observations?
577
00:23:58,132 --> 00:24:00,350
That he is, in essence,
experiencing the same level
578
00:24:00,351 --> 00:24:03,702
of fear, stress,
helplessness, and anger
579
00:24:03,703 --> 00:24:07,532
that abused wives or domestic
partners tend to suffer.
580
00:24:07,533 --> 00:24:09,969
Would it be reasonable
for someone suffering
581
00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:12,406
this kind of abuse to believe
582
00:24:12,407 --> 00:24:13,886
they were in
imminent fear of death?
583
00:24:13,887 --> 00:24:15,017
Yes.
584
00:24:15,018 --> 00:24:16,802
Would it be reasonable
for someone
585
00:24:16,803 --> 00:24:20,545
suffering from this condition
to believe the only way
586
00:24:20,546 --> 00:24:23,243
to end the abusive behavior
was to kill the abuser?
587
00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:25,724
Yes, absolutely.
588
00:24:25,725 --> 00:24:27,465
Nothing further.
589
00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:30,816
There is no condition
or--or illness
590
00:24:30,817 --> 00:24:32,948
in the Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual
591
00:24:32,949 --> 00:24:35,037
of Mental Disorders called
Battered Banker Syndrome.
592
00:24:35,038 --> 00:24:36,343
Correct.
593
00:24:36,344 --> 00:24:38,519
And most cases
of Abused Person Syndrome
594
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,827
are a result of abusive
intimate relationships.
595
00:24:41,828 --> 00:24:43,089
The victim typically lives with
596
00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:44,699
or is sexually involved
with the abuser.
597
00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:46,135
- Yes.
- And to be clear,
598
00:24:46,136 --> 00:24:48,224
in your examination
of the defendant,
599
00:24:48,225 --> 00:24:50,792
he never once mentioned
that--that he was
600
00:24:50,793 --> 00:24:52,794
intimately or sexually involved
with Mr. Geller.
601
00:24:52,795 --> 00:24:54,013
He did not.
602
00:24:54,014 --> 00:24:55,231
He didn't live
with Mr. Geller?
603
00:24:55,232 --> 00:24:56,276
That's correct.
604
00:24:56,277 --> 00:24:57,712
And Mr. Geller never
605
00:24:57,713 --> 00:24:59,758
put his hands
on the defendant, either.
606
00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:01,194
No.
607
00:25:01,195 --> 00:25:04,285
OK. Thank you.
608
00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:08,244
On the morning of July 19th,
did you hear Jon Geller
609
00:25:08,245 --> 00:25:09,811
arguing with Nick Rossi?
610
00:25:09,812 --> 00:25:11,030
Yes.
611
00:25:11,031 --> 00:25:13,380
What was the basis
of the argument?
612
00:25:13,381 --> 00:25:16,078
Geller was pissed the McKenna
deal hadn't closed yet.
613
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:18,341
He was worried
the interest rate might spike
614
00:25:18,342 --> 00:25:19,952
and kill the projected IRR.
615
00:25:19,953 --> 00:25:22,476
Meaning what?
He'd make less money?
616
00:25:22,477 --> 00:25:23,825
Yes.
617
00:25:23,826 --> 00:25:25,653
Did you hear the exact words
Mr. Geller said
618
00:25:25,654 --> 00:25:27,394
to Mr. Rossi?
- Yes.
619
00:25:27,395 --> 00:25:30,049
I was standing in the hallway
near the coffee room.
620
00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:33,226
And I heard Geller
screaming at Nick.
621
00:25:33,227 --> 00:25:34,967
He said something like,
622
00:25:34,968 --> 00:25:38,666
"Do not leave this office
until the deal is closed.
623
00:25:38,667 --> 00:25:41,539
"If you so much as take
a walk around the block,
624
00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:42,844
"I will fire you.
625
00:25:42,845 --> 00:25:44,367
"No, wait. That's too kind.
626
00:25:44,368 --> 00:25:47,414
"I will literally beat you
with a baseball bat
627
00:25:47,415 --> 00:25:49,634
and watch you bleed to death."
628
00:25:49,635 --> 00:25:52,941
Have you seen
or heard Mr. Geller
629
00:25:52,942 --> 00:25:56,902
verbally attack Nick Rossi
before that incident?
630
00:25:56,903 --> 00:25:58,599
Yes, several times.
631
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,122
How would you characterize
632
00:26:00,123 --> 00:26:02,429
the nature
of these verbal attacks?
633
00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:05,824
As sadistic.
634
00:26:05,825 --> 00:26:09,436
I think Geller enjoyed
berating Nick.
635
00:26:09,437 --> 00:26:11,264
I once heard him say,
"You are probably
636
00:26:11,265 --> 00:26:14,746
the dumbest associate
I've ever hired."
637
00:26:14,747 --> 00:26:16,835
Can you recall
any other verbal abuse?
638
00:26:16,836 --> 00:26:20,360
About a month ago,
Geller was really upset
639
00:26:20,361 --> 00:26:23,102
and started attacking
Nick's Italian heritage.
640
00:26:23,103 --> 00:26:27,236
It was so outrageous,
I just started recording.
641
00:26:27,237 --> 00:26:29,064
Your Honor, I'd like
to introduce this video
642
00:26:29,065 --> 00:26:33,287
as Defense Exhibit 22.
643
00:26:33,504 --> 00:26:34,896
I can't believe
I actually hired you.
644
00:26:34,897 --> 00:26:36,550
I don't know
what I was thinking.
645
00:26:36,551 --> 00:26:37,812
And I swear to God,
646
00:26:37,813 --> 00:26:39,509
if you don't somehow
647
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:41,729
get smarter, a lot smarter,
648
00:26:41,730 --> 00:26:43,905
I'm gonna throw your dumb ass
out on the street,
649
00:26:43,906 --> 00:26:45,341
and you're going to be
pouring concrete
650
00:26:45,342 --> 00:26:47,213
with your paisans
from Brooklyn.
651
00:26:47,214 --> 00:26:48,649
- I'm sorry. I'll do better.
- No, no, no.
652
00:26:48,650 --> 00:26:50,738
You don't get to apologize
or make mistakes.
653
00:26:50,739 --> 00:26:51,957
That's not how it works.
654
00:26:51,958 --> 00:26:54,089
You either get it right,
or get out!
655
00:26:54,090 --> 00:26:55,874
And I'm serious.
656
00:26:55,875 --> 00:26:58,224
You screw up one more time,
657
00:26:58,225 --> 00:26:59,965
you're gone--
658
00:26:59,966 --> 00:27:02,402
from here, from Wall Street.
659
00:27:02,403 --> 00:27:06,014
Oh, I'll blow your ass up
at every firm in this city.
660
00:27:09,802 --> 00:27:12,107
So what happened
after the video ended?
661
00:27:12,108 --> 00:27:14,632
Geller walked back to his
office like nothing happened.
662
00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:16,764
In fact,
he was kind of smiling,
663
00:27:16,765 --> 00:27:20,638
like he was proud of his rant.
664
00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:23,336
And what about Nick?
665
00:27:23,337 --> 00:27:25,294
Nick started crying.
666
00:27:25,295 --> 00:27:27,166
It was difficult to watch.
667
00:27:27,167 --> 00:27:28,950
Nothing further.
668
00:27:32,433 --> 00:27:33,738
No questions.
669
00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:35,174
The witness is excused.
670
00:27:35,175 --> 00:27:37,611
The defense calls Ron Moffit.
671
00:27:37,612 --> 00:27:39,613
Your Honor,
can we meet in chambers?
672
00:27:39,614 --> 00:27:42,007
There is nothing
Mr. Moffit can testify to
673
00:27:42,008 --> 00:27:45,314
that is remotely relevant
to this case.
674
00:27:45,315 --> 00:27:47,012
Really?
675
00:27:47,013 --> 00:27:49,536
You don't think the fact
that Mr. Moffit's son
676
00:27:49,537 --> 00:27:51,669
died at his desk
while working for Geller
677
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:53,018
is relevant
to this current case?
678
00:27:53,019 --> 00:27:54,933
It literally couldn't be
more relevant.
679
00:27:54,934 --> 00:27:56,543
It establishes
the reasonableness
680
00:27:56,544 --> 00:27:59,241
of Mr. Rossi's fear
of imminent death.
681
00:27:59,242 --> 00:28:01,766
Can you be more specific?
682
00:28:01,767 --> 00:28:04,116
Geller abused
this young man, Ted Moffit.
683
00:28:04,117 --> 00:28:05,683
He abused Rossi the same way.
684
00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:08,120
And that kid wound up dead--
685
00:28:08,121 --> 00:28:10,949
died at his desk
after working 72 hours
686
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:14,257
because Geller refused
to let him leave.
687
00:28:14,867 --> 00:28:17,303
Sounds relevant to me.
688
00:28:17,304 --> 00:28:20,437
Call your witness.
689
00:28:22,483 --> 00:28:26,399
When was the last time
you talked to your son?
690
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,183
The day before he passed.
691
00:28:28,184 --> 00:28:29,750
Was he sick?
692
00:28:29,751 --> 00:28:32,013
Yeah, he had the flu.
693
00:28:32,014 --> 00:28:34,755
I told him to stay home
and get some rest.
694
00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:38,759
He said that was not an option.
695
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,630
What do you mean by that?
696
00:28:40,631 --> 00:28:43,503
Ted said they were working
on some important transaction,
697
00:28:43,504 --> 00:28:45,418
and he needed to be
in the office.
698
00:28:45,419 --> 00:28:48,160
I said, I don't care
how big a damn deal that was.
699
00:28:48,161 --> 00:28:51,163
You need to stay home
and get in bed.
700
00:28:51,164 --> 00:28:53,121
And how did he respond?
701
00:28:53,122 --> 00:28:56,734
That if he stayed home,
Geller would have him fired.
702
00:28:56,735 --> 00:29:01,129
So he went to the office.
703
00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:03,218
He worked all night,
704
00:29:03,219 --> 00:29:07,005
and he passed the next night
at his desk.
705
00:29:07,006 --> 00:29:08,267
Thank you.
706
00:29:08,268 --> 00:29:10,052
Nothing further.
707
00:29:15,057 --> 00:29:17,406
Mr. Moffit,
708
00:29:17,407 --> 00:29:20,279
Mr. Geller didn't
force your son
709
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,237
to go to work that day.
710
00:29:22,238 --> 00:29:25,458
If Ted had listened
to your advice
711
00:29:25,459 --> 00:29:27,199
and stayed at home,
712
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,810
no one from Higson Capital
would have come
713
00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:31,638
to his apartment
and dragged him to the office.
714
00:29:31,639 --> 00:29:33,248
No, of course not.
715
00:29:33,249 --> 00:29:35,033
But he would have been fired.
716
00:29:35,034 --> 00:29:36,991
According to Ted.
717
00:29:36,992 --> 00:29:38,688
He may have believed
that he would have been fired,
718
00:29:38,689 --> 00:29:40,908
but there's no evidence
of that.
719
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:42,867
That was simply
Ted's impression.
720
00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:45,434
All I can say
is that Ted didn't think
721
00:29:45,435 --> 00:29:48,829
he could stay home that day,
even with the flu.
722
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:53,094
Ted also had a pre-existing
heart condition as well,
723
00:29:53,095 --> 00:29:55,488
arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy.
724
00:29:55,489 --> 00:29:56,924
That's correct.
725
00:29:56,925 --> 00:29:59,535
An autopsy was conducted
following Ted's death?
726
00:29:59,536 --> 00:30:00,710
Yes.
727
00:30:00,711 --> 00:30:02,103
And the official
cause of death was
728
00:30:02,104 --> 00:30:04,105
determined to be
sudden cardiac arrest.
729
00:30:04,106 --> 00:30:05,454
Yes.
730
00:30:05,455 --> 00:30:08,849
So from
a medical perspective,
731
00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:10,633
Mr. Geller had
absolutely nothing
732
00:30:10,634 --> 00:30:13,636
to do with your son's death.
733
00:30:13,637 --> 00:30:15,464
What?
734
00:30:15,465 --> 00:30:18,163
Well, he didn't
choke him to death.
735
00:30:18,164 --> 00:30:21,644
He didn't stick
a damn knife in his chest.
736
00:30:21,645 --> 00:30:25,648
But Geller contributed
to his death.
737
00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:29,522
All that stress,
all that pressure,
738
00:30:29,523 --> 00:30:33,221
plus the lack of sleep,
739
00:30:33,222 --> 00:30:35,876
that is what caused
Ted's heart to malfunction.
740
00:30:35,877 --> 00:30:38,139
That's your belief, sir.
741
00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:40,881
But the medical examiner
did not find any evidence--
742
00:30:40,882 --> 00:30:43,362
I don't care about
the damn medical examiner.
743
00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:48,323
If it weren't for Jon Geller,
my son would still be alive.
744
00:30:48,324 --> 00:30:50,282
I guarantee that.
745
00:30:54,026 --> 00:30:55,635
Nothing further.
746
00:31:07,735 --> 00:31:09,605
Can you please tell the jury
what happened
747
00:31:09,606 --> 00:31:12,086
on the morning of July 19th?
748
00:31:12,087 --> 00:31:15,698
I was working on this deal
day after day,
749
00:31:15,699 --> 00:31:17,309
trying to--
we were trying to buy
750
00:31:17,310 --> 00:31:19,833
this luxury goods company
called McKenna.
751
00:31:19,834 --> 00:31:21,879
When you say day after day,
what do you mean?
752
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,141
It means
I didn't leave the office
753
00:31:23,142 --> 00:31:25,056
for three straight days.
754
00:31:25,057 --> 00:31:27,275
Not even at night?
755
00:31:27,276 --> 00:31:28,537
No.
756
00:31:28,538 --> 00:31:30,931
I slept in my office.
757
00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:33,978
Can you describe
your--your state of mind?
758
00:31:33,979 --> 00:31:37,503
I felt like I was trapped,
759
00:31:37,504 --> 00:31:40,201
like I couldn't leave
the building.
760
00:31:40,202 --> 00:31:43,074
I literally felt like
I was gonna die like Ted.
761
00:31:43,075 --> 00:31:46,078
And that scared me.
762
00:31:46,774 --> 00:31:49,297
I was the one
who found Ted's body.
763
00:31:49,298 --> 00:31:51,343
At first,
I thought he was sleeping,
764
00:31:51,344 --> 00:31:54,824
but he was dead.
765
00:31:54,825 --> 00:32:00,308
If you felt this way,
why didn't you just quit?
766
00:32:00,309 --> 00:32:02,267
I thought about it
all the time,
767
00:32:02,268 --> 00:32:04,399
but I couldn't do it.
768
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,402
I needed to stick it out, succeed.
769
00:32:07,403 --> 00:32:10,101
Even though
Geller was verbally
770
00:32:10,102 --> 00:32:11,450
and mentally abusing you.
771
00:32:11,451 --> 00:32:12,930
- Objection.
- Sustained.
772
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:14,322
I'll rephrase--
773
00:32:14,323 --> 00:32:18,022
even though you were miserable
and felt trapped.
774
00:32:18,023 --> 00:32:19,240
Yes.
775
00:32:19,241 --> 00:32:20,938
Look, I know
it doesn't make any sense,
776
00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:24,376
but I didn't think
quitting was an option.
777
00:32:24,377 --> 00:32:26,117
Not for a guy like me, anyway.
778
00:32:26,118 --> 00:32:27,161
What do you mean by that?
779
00:32:27,162 --> 00:32:28,771
I didn't go to Harvard.
780
00:32:28,772 --> 00:32:31,513
I don't have an MBA.
781
00:32:31,514 --> 00:32:34,603
I kind of snuck in through
the back door, you know?
782
00:32:34,604 --> 00:32:38,999
I wanted to prove myself
and prove that I belonged.
783
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,958
If I quit,
my career would be over.
784
00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:43,047
Other firms would think
that I couldn't hack it
785
00:32:43,048 --> 00:32:45,745
or that I got pushed out.
786
00:32:45,746 --> 00:32:50,271
Rich kids with perfect résumés
get to quit.
787
00:32:50,272 --> 00:32:52,970
Blue collar kids
who went to Fordham don't.
788
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:57,757
So I sucked it up,
no matter how bad it got.
789
00:32:57,758 --> 00:33:00,238
When you left the office
790
00:33:00,239 --> 00:33:03,981
the morning of July 19th,
791
00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:06,374
what were you trying
to accomplish?
792
00:33:06,375 --> 00:33:07,636
What do you mean?
793
00:33:07,637 --> 00:33:10,770
What was your objective,
your goal?
794
00:33:10,771 --> 00:33:14,817
My goal was to free myself
of Geller's chokehold.
795
00:33:14,818 --> 00:33:17,777
Can you be more specific?
796
00:33:17,778 --> 00:33:19,866
I felt like
he was suffocating me.
797
00:33:19,867 --> 00:33:21,433
I couldn't breathe.
798
00:33:21,434 --> 00:33:23,957
I couldn't think.
799
00:33:23,958 --> 00:33:26,438
My heart was racing.
800
00:33:26,439 --> 00:33:29,136
Like I said,
I thought I was gonna die.
801
00:33:29,137 --> 00:33:32,052
So that morning,
when I left the office,
802
00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:34,837
my purpose was
to kill Jon Geller
803
00:33:34,838 --> 00:33:36,448
because I knew
that if I didn't,
804
00:33:36,449 --> 00:33:39,408
I would have ended up dead.
805
00:33:41,628 --> 00:33:43,281
Your Honor, it's almost 5:00.
806
00:33:43,282 --> 00:33:44,673
Can we adjourn for the day?
807
00:33:44,674 --> 00:33:46,501
Yes, good idea.
808
00:33:46,502 --> 00:33:47,633
We'll see you all
tomorrow morning.
809
00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:56,772
So you want me to testify
as a rebuttal witness.
810
00:33:56,773 --> 00:33:59,340
I need you to help establish
Rossi's state of mind,
811
00:33:59,341 --> 00:34:01,908
his general demeanor
on the morning of the murder.
812
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:03,562
Why?
813
00:34:03,563 --> 00:34:05,346
Because Rossi just told
the jury that he felt like
814
00:34:05,347 --> 00:34:07,131
he was on the verge of death
that morning.
815
00:34:07,132 --> 00:34:09,089
He couldn't breathe.
His heart was racing.
816
00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:11,613
And he was very convincing too.
817
00:34:11,614 --> 00:34:14,312
Yeah, well,
I'm not sure I can do that.
818
00:34:15,488 --> 00:34:17,141
Well, what do you mean?
819
00:34:17,142 --> 00:34:18,881
You were there.
You were with Rossi.
820
00:34:18,882 --> 00:34:21,362
Oh, yes,
but I've had time to reflect.
821
00:34:21,363 --> 00:34:23,277
And I'm starting to relate more
822
00:34:23,278 --> 00:34:27,020
to Rossi's point of view
on all this.
823
00:34:27,021 --> 00:34:28,152
What the hell
are you talking about?
824
00:34:28,153 --> 00:34:29,762
Jon Geller
and his number two,
825
00:34:29,763 --> 00:34:31,372
Carter Getzelman,
created a hostile
826
00:34:31,373 --> 00:34:32,678
and poisonous work environment.
827
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,680
They constantly
and systematically
828
00:34:34,681 --> 00:34:37,291
degraded employees,
made unreasonable
829
00:34:37,292 --> 00:34:40,120
and unhealthy demands
of their time.
830
00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:42,340
I don't wanna say anything
on the record
831
00:34:42,341 --> 00:34:46,606
that might appear to support
this type of behavior.
832
00:34:48,521 --> 00:34:50,957
You son of a bitch.
833
00:34:50,958 --> 00:34:52,437
Excuse me?
834
00:34:52,438 --> 00:34:54,265
You're using this trial
835
00:34:54,266 --> 00:34:57,355
to take out the new CEO,
Getzelman.
836
00:34:57,356 --> 00:34:58,617
No.
837
00:34:58,618 --> 00:34:59,835
I'm trying to do
the right thing.
838
00:34:59,836 --> 00:35:01,359
Uh, no.
839
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,838
No, no, no.
840
00:35:02,839 --> 00:35:06,842
No, the right thing
is to tell the truth,
841
00:35:06,843 --> 00:35:08,975
is to get justice
for Jon Geller,
842
00:35:08,976 --> 00:35:13,110
not to exploit his murder
for personal gain.
843
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:17,026
You said that you liked him,
that you respected--
844
00:35:17,027 --> 00:35:18,550
that he made you rich.
845
00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:21,118
He did.
846
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,860
Just not rich enough.
847
00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:31,867
Hope it's worth it.
848
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,914
I knew Geller was
a shark, but--
849
00:35:34,915 --> 00:35:37,003
It's all just a game
to these guys.
850
00:35:37,004 --> 00:35:40,659
They see a pathway to more
money or power, they take it.
851
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:42,530
Hell of a way to live,
852
00:35:42,531 --> 00:35:44,358
if you exclude
the Hamptons houses
853
00:35:44,359 --> 00:35:47,013
and the private jets.
854
00:35:47,014 --> 00:35:49,189
I need to make it clear
on cross
855
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:52,801
that Geller's so-called threats
were hollow.
856
00:35:52,802 --> 00:35:56,065
They were just bluster
and hyperbole,
857
00:35:56,066 --> 00:35:58,981
and that no matter how
disrespectful Geller could be
858
00:35:58,982 --> 00:36:01,854
or how helpless Rossi felt,
859
00:36:01,855 --> 00:36:03,856
it didn't justify murder.
860
00:36:03,857 --> 00:36:06,293
The simple truth is,
Rossi got tired
861
00:36:06,294 --> 00:36:10,689
of Geller degrading him,
and he snapped.
862
00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:12,386
If that's what you believe,
863
00:36:12,387 --> 00:36:15,172
shouldn't we be considering
a lesser charge?
864
00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:16,303
Excuse me?
865
00:36:16,304 --> 00:36:17,783
You just said he snapped.
866
00:36:17,784 --> 00:36:19,263
If that's what you think,
then--
867
00:36:19,264 --> 00:36:20,699
Yeah, yeah, he snapped,
868
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:23,919
but it was
a cold-blooded attack,
869
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,792
based on--on rage, anger, hate.
870
00:36:26,793 --> 00:36:31,013
Yeah, yeah, sure, but he was
in a tough situation.
871
00:36:31,014 --> 00:36:32,493
What do you mean?
872
00:36:32,494 --> 00:36:33,799
He knew
he didn't fit in, right?
873
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,844
That he was
different than most,
874
00:36:35,845 --> 00:36:38,107
if not all,
the other associates.
875
00:36:38,108 --> 00:36:41,547
Pretty sure they call that
imposter syndrome.
876
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,417
I get it.
877
00:36:43,418 --> 00:36:46,681
And it's understandable
for someone
878
00:36:46,682 --> 00:36:50,990
to have doubts
about his or her status
879
00:36:50,991 --> 00:36:52,339
or sense of belonging
880
00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:54,298
within a highly competitive
organization,
881
00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:56,213
but it obviously doesn't
justify murder.
882
00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,911
Oh, no.
No, of course not.
883
00:36:58,912 --> 00:37:01,130
I'm just saying
it explains the--
884
00:37:01,131 --> 00:37:04,003
the anger and stress.
885
00:37:04,004 --> 00:37:05,918
You know, it's not easy
to work at a place
886
00:37:05,919 --> 00:37:09,051
filled with really smart,
really driven people
887
00:37:09,052 --> 00:37:10,357
who all went
to the best schools
888
00:37:10,358 --> 00:37:13,099
when you're just a regular Joe.
889
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:18,974
You know, you try really hard
to fit in and be one of them.
890
00:37:18,975 --> 00:37:23,763
But deep down,
you know you're not.
891
00:37:25,634 --> 00:37:29,115
I understand
how difficult that might be
892
00:37:29,116 --> 00:37:34,425
and that it's easy
for someone in that situation
893
00:37:34,426 --> 00:37:38,690
to feel insecure at times.
894
00:37:38,691 --> 00:37:42,389
But once again, it has
nothing to do with this case.
895
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:46,045
It doesn't matter that
Rossi seems like a decent guy
896
00:37:46,046 --> 00:37:48,134
and that he was
trying hard to fit in
897
00:37:48,135 --> 00:37:52,007
or that he was being
overworked and disrespected.
898
00:37:52,008 --> 00:37:53,182
That's the job.
899
00:37:53,183 --> 00:37:56,229
That's what he signed up for.
900
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:58,623
Well, what can I say?
901
00:37:58,624 --> 00:38:00,886
I like to root
for the underdog.
902
00:38:00,887 --> 00:38:02,409
I know.
903
00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:05,412
But unfortunately,
prosecuting decent people
904
00:38:05,413 --> 00:38:09,242
who do horrible things,
people like Rossi,
905
00:38:09,243 --> 00:38:10,591
that's part of our job.
906
00:38:10,592 --> 00:38:13,029
That is what we signed up for.
907
00:38:17,643 --> 00:38:20,601
When you accepted the offer
to join Higson Capital,
908
00:38:20,602 --> 00:38:22,299
you knew that you'd be
required to work
909
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,083
incredibly long hours, correct?
910
00:38:24,084 --> 00:38:25,432
Yes.
911
00:38:25,433 --> 00:38:27,391
And that you would be asked
to work weekends
912
00:38:27,392 --> 00:38:29,393
and even through the night,
on occasion?
913
00:38:29,394 --> 00:38:30,829
Yes.
914
00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:33,311
But that wasn't the problem.
915
00:38:33,528 --> 00:38:34,746
I don't know what you mean.
916
00:38:34,747 --> 00:38:38,271
Well, the problem was
Jon Geller.
917
00:38:38,272 --> 00:38:39,359
You despised him.
918
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,840
You thought he was an elitist?
919
00:38:41,841 --> 00:38:43,581
Yes to both questions.
920
00:38:43,582 --> 00:38:46,801
It's hard
921
00:38:46,802 --> 00:38:49,630
to work at a place like Higson,
922
00:38:49,631 --> 00:38:52,198
a place that is filled
with really smart,
923
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,679
really driven people who all
went to the best schools
924
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,072
when you're just a regular Joe.
925
00:38:57,073 --> 00:38:58,204
It is.
926
00:38:58,205 --> 00:38:59,684
You try really hard to fit in
927
00:38:59,685 --> 00:39:02,339
and to be one of them,
but you knew that you weren't.
928
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:04,993
And you knew
the second you screwed up,
929
00:39:04,994 --> 00:39:07,213
Geller was going to kick
your ass to the curb.
930
00:39:07,214 --> 00:39:08,693
I suppose.
931
00:39:08,694 --> 00:39:11,652
And you hated Geller
for making you feel that way.
932
00:39:11,653 --> 00:39:13,132
That's not true.
933
00:39:13,133 --> 00:39:16,614
You didn't suffer
from Battered Banker Syndrome.
934
00:39:16,615 --> 00:39:19,878
You suffered
from imposter syndrome.
935
00:39:19,879 --> 00:39:21,445
I don't know what that means.
936
00:39:21,446 --> 00:39:24,535
It means
you knew you didn't belong.
937
00:39:24,536 --> 00:39:27,102
You knew your peers were
more accomplished than you,
938
00:39:27,103 --> 00:39:29,191
and you knew that Geller knew.
939
00:39:29,192 --> 00:39:30,976
Is there a question here?
940
00:39:30,977 --> 00:39:32,238
Get to the point, Mr. Price.
941
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,370
You didn't kill Jon Geller
942
00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:34,936
because you were afraid
for your life.
943
00:39:34,937 --> 00:39:36,416
You killed Jon Geller
because he made you feel
944
00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:38,592
inadequate, small, weak.
945
00:39:38,593 --> 00:39:41,334
You resented his wealth,
his pedigree.
946
00:39:41,335 --> 00:39:42,509
I resented his arrogance.
947
00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:43,989
And that's why
you killed him, right?
948
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:45,251
Because he was arrogant.
949
00:39:45,252 --> 00:39:46,905
Because he saw
right through your façade.
950
00:39:46,906 --> 00:39:48,123
He thought he was a king,
951
00:39:48,124 --> 00:39:49,690
that he could say
whatever he wanted.
952
00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:51,039
And that pissed you off!
953
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,476
- Yes!
- Your Honor, a brief recess.
954
00:39:52,477 --> 00:39:54,086
- So you killed--
- Your Honor--
955
00:39:54,087 --> 00:39:56,044
You didn't need
to kill Jon Geller.
956
00:39:56,045 --> 00:39:57,350
You wanted to kill him.
957
00:39:57,351 --> 00:39:58,656
You're damn right I did!
958
00:39:58,657 --> 00:40:01,398
And that son of a bitch
got what he deserved!
959
00:40:25,684 --> 00:40:27,554
That might have been
the quickest
960
00:40:27,555 --> 00:40:29,426
jury deliberation ever.
961
00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,515
He confessed on the stand.
962
00:40:31,516 --> 00:40:33,081
Yeah.
963
00:40:33,082 --> 00:40:36,084
I still feel bad for him, though.
964
00:40:36,085 --> 00:40:37,695
Not me.
965
00:40:37,696 --> 00:40:38,913
Really?
966
00:40:38,914 --> 00:40:41,917
Not even a little?
967
00:40:42,135 --> 00:40:47,095
Well, I aspire to be
as coldhearted as you someday.
968
00:40:47,096 --> 00:40:49,837
Good luck.
969
00:40:49,838 --> 00:40:54,800
Look, I know
you were just venting earlier.
970
00:40:55,148 --> 00:40:57,584
But you are no impostor, Sam.
971
00:40:57,585 --> 00:40:58,890
And if I make you
feel that way--
972
00:40:58,891 --> 00:41:00,195
No.
973
00:41:00,196 --> 00:41:03,198
No, you don't.
974
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:08,770
It's just, uh, the way
I see the world, I suppose.
70155
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