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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:14,830 --> 00:01:19,430 So, knowing what you know now, would you still get cursed? 2 00:01:20,670 --> 00:01:22,170 That's a good question. 3 00:01:23,370 --> 00:01:26,150 Honestly, I don't know. 4 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,300 You're literally begging the devil just to prove to you that God's real. 5 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,360 There's evil people. There's evil energy. 6 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,760 And if you're playing around with that, you'd be lucky to make it out alive. 7 00:01:43,820 --> 00:01:44,920 This is going to be fun. 8 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:51,500 Y 'all better not call me at 2 o 'clock in the morning talking about this man's 9 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:53,080 dick. I don't want to hear that. 10 00:02:12,460 --> 00:02:16,160 in an age of staggering advances in science and technology. 11 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:22,220 To our predecessors of just a few hundred years ago, much of the world 12 00:02:22,220 --> 00:02:25,100 would be indistinguishable from magic. 13 00:02:25,980 --> 00:02:31,180 But we might not be so far removed from the old world of gobs and superstition 14 00:02:31,180 --> 00:02:32,620 as we might think. 15 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:39,200 80 % of people in the US identify as either religious or spiritual. 16 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,900 Three out of four Americans believe in some form of the paranormal and similar 17 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:46,560 figures are reflected globally. 18 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:53,160 Is belief in the supernatural simply a remnant of an evolutionary trait? 19 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:59,280 Or is there a deeper and more profound truth to the nature of consciousness 20 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:00,800 we've yet to uncover? 21 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,800 I've been making documentary films now for more than 20 years. 22 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:16,940 It's a career that brought me to the US over a decade ago, where I met my wife 23 00:03:16,940 --> 00:03:20,240 and now have a happy little family with two cats. 24 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:27,960 In my work, I've been lucky enough to film in some exotic and often remote 25 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,520 places around the globe. 26 00:03:32,620 --> 00:03:37,640 Something that caught my imagination is that everywhere I've travelled, lying 27 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,910 just below the surface, of our seemingly modern world. 28 00:03:41,570 --> 00:03:46,190 There's a persistent undercurrent of belief in the spirit world. 29 00:03:49,250 --> 00:03:54,970 I can't help wondering why are we so hardwired to believe in the 30 00:03:55,750 --> 00:03:58,170 Surely it's all superstition. 31 00:03:59,090 --> 00:04:02,110 That's when I stumbled on an unusual idea. 32 00:04:03,050 --> 00:04:09,270 What would happen if I willingly asked someone to put a curse On me. 33 00:04:17,130 --> 00:04:18,009 Hey, babe. 34 00:04:18,010 --> 00:04:19,310 Hey. How are you? 35 00:04:19,829 --> 00:04:20,629 I'm good. 36 00:04:20,630 --> 00:04:21,990 Found anyone to curse you yet? 37 00:04:23,810 --> 00:04:24,810 No. 38 00:04:25,170 --> 00:04:28,710 Ever since I met you, I've known that you're curious about this kind of stuff 39 00:04:28,710 --> 00:04:33,230 and you're always wanting to explore the unknown. 40 00:04:33,910 --> 00:04:34,930 What kind of curse? 41 00:04:35,290 --> 00:04:36,850 What would it be supposed to do? 42 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:40,010 That's a really good question. I don't know what type of curse either. 43 00:04:40,410 --> 00:04:43,550 You get to choose or they just do something bad and then you find out what 44 00:04:43,550 --> 00:04:44,109 going to be. 45 00:04:44,110 --> 00:04:48,290 I don't know. I mean, and will anyone curse me? Because I'm guessing it's 46 00:04:48,290 --> 00:04:50,910 probably a first for people I'm going to speak to. 47 00:04:51,630 --> 00:04:55,050 And then there's a question, well, how much do I believe? 48 00:04:55,330 --> 00:04:59,590 You want to believe. I'm a skeptic, but you're the molder to my scully. You want 49 00:04:59,590 --> 00:05:00,590 to believe. 50 00:05:01,270 --> 00:05:02,270 I do. 51 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,200 So when I moved to the U .S., I pretty much came here with two suitcases, one 52 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,680 with clothes and one with this case of memories, basically full of old 53 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,880 photographs that I have of me and my rock climbing days. 54 00:05:17,260 --> 00:05:19,540 What really got me was finding this. 55 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:26,160 I got this book when I was around 10 or 11 years old, and I was obsessed with 56 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,920 this. It's called The Unexplained, Mysteries of the Mind, Science, and 57 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:36,450 Time. It has all sorts of things in it from the history of Stonehenge, even 58 00:05:36,450 --> 00:05:40,150 of the UFO stuff is being talked about in Congress right now, so it's a real 59 00:05:40,150 --> 00:05:45,650 topic. But what really excited me and really captured my imagination when I 60 00:05:45,650 --> 00:05:51,190 a kid was this, In Search of the Sixth Sense, ESP, Extrasensory Powers. 61 00:05:52,230 --> 00:05:54,150 To me, this was magic. 62 00:05:54,690 --> 00:05:56,710 I see references to Dr. 63 00:05:57,050 --> 00:05:58,790 Ryan of the Ryan Research Center. 64 00:05:59,450 --> 00:06:04,290 And what's wild for me is that in just a few weeks, I'm going to be going to the 65 00:06:04,290 --> 00:06:05,350 research center myself. 66 00:06:05,850 --> 00:06:10,750 And I don't know that 10 -year -old me could have ever imagined that I'd be 67 00:06:10,750 --> 00:06:11,750 doing this. 68 00:06:12,750 --> 00:06:16,870 So I think the fact that I saved this book as one of my most important 69 00:06:16,870 --> 00:06:22,290 from when I was a child says something about me and I guess why I'm doing any 70 00:06:22,290 --> 00:06:23,290 this at all. 71 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:34,600 It may sound surprising, but this sprawling city of angels is considered 72 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,380 the best cities in the country to be a witch. 73 00:06:38,660 --> 00:06:45,480 With many practicing covens, healers, tarot readers, and magical stores for 74 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,400 all manner of witchy supplies. 75 00:06:52,180 --> 00:06:57,420 And I've made contact with the well -known coven here in the hope that they 76 00:06:57,420 --> 00:07:00,480 introduce me to their world of magic. 77 00:07:02,620 --> 00:07:05,260 So tell me, what is this space and where are we? 78 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,800 This is our temple up here. This is where we do our rituals. 79 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:16,240 And it is also, it has to double as a classroom because of the space that we 80 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,000 have in this. Actually, it's a good space for that. This is probably going 81 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,000 sound crazy. 82 00:07:21,460 --> 00:07:26,880 I am interested in finding a curse, dark magic, a heck. 83 00:07:27,660 --> 00:07:28,760 To put on myself. 84 00:07:29,660 --> 00:07:32,220 So you're looking... To curse himself. 85 00:07:32,540 --> 00:07:33,540 To be cursed. 86 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,300 We could curse you with stupidity, but we think you've got that down. 87 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,400 Well, because that's a dangerous idea. 88 00:07:40,700 --> 00:07:45,740 I mean, once something like that hits you, undoing it could take a lot more 89 00:07:45,740 --> 00:07:49,100 you think. And sometimes when you're in the throes of something like that, you 90 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:54,720 don't even realize that you are. You're pulling into action a spirit that's 91 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:55,720 going to stalk you. 92 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,680 Why did you choose that as the thing that you want to see manifest? Do you 93 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:02,680 like that's... 94 00:08:02,970 --> 00:08:03,970 The only real magic? 95 00:08:04,130 --> 00:08:07,090 Do you feel like that's the strongest way to experience magic? 96 00:08:07,450 --> 00:08:11,450 I think it's that. I think it's the strongest way to experience. Going into 97 00:08:11,450 --> 00:08:16,970 this, maybe I wondered if magic was more in the mind of the believer, and so 98 00:08:16,970 --> 00:08:20,970 therefore I felt that maybe it wouldn't affect me if I personally didn't believe 99 00:08:20,970 --> 00:08:21,589 in it. 100 00:08:21,590 --> 00:08:24,690 Well, the problem is, just from our conversations today, I mean, we're 101 00:08:24,690 --> 00:08:26,850 conversation, and you're getting a different perspective. 102 00:08:27,330 --> 00:08:30,450 Reality, this is exciting to get more windows and doors in it. 103 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,640 to where a year from now you may be dealing with a curse and you're 104 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:35,720 engaged in that universe. 105 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:38,600 You completely have a sense of it's real. 106 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,159 And then it can really take you down. 107 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,500 Well, I've certainly got a lot to think about before I go further on this 108 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:50,980 journey. But I would love to see what your spellcrafting looks like. Could we 109 00:08:50,980 --> 00:08:56,780 perhaps do something that can help me on my journey to find magic in some way? 110 00:08:57,260 --> 00:09:02,780 I mean, magic in some way is to say to open a spirit for the encounter of 111 00:09:03,260 --> 00:09:04,420 And that we can do. 112 00:09:04,620 --> 00:09:06,200 Preferably without you having to be cursed. 113 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,420 Yes, seriously, do it. 114 00:09:08,780 --> 00:09:12,260 You suddenly become a doorway into the realm of magic, you could get in 115 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,500 Well, basically we're going to do a witch's letter. And this is your witch's 116 00:09:19,500 --> 00:09:20,780 letter, so I'm going to ask you to participate. 117 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:26,930 Okay. I'm going to ask you to get a very clear idea of that state of wonder, a 118 00:09:26,930 --> 00:09:31,370 changing reality that suddenly opens its doors to you. And at the end, I'm 119 00:09:31,370 --> 00:09:35,410 probably going to ask you to then dump your breath into the last knot. 120 00:09:35,610 --> 00:09:36,610 Okay. Okay? 121 00:09:36,710 --> 00:09:37,710 There we go. 122 00:09:48,810 --> 00:09:51,630 This cauldron of witchery is consecrated to the old way. 123 00:09:52,030 --> 00:09:53,770 We shall embark upon Athabel. 124 00:09:56,730 --> 00:10:02,950 I conjure by the nod of one, to begin the witch's ladder, our work be done. 125 00:10:06,410 --> 00:10:13,050 I conjure by the nod of two, that it gets its mark and strikes true. 126 00:10:15,910 --> 00:10:17,290 Witch -wise, starting up. 127 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,840 It's a good sign for work. 128 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,980 Conjure by the knot of three, as we show will. 129 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,580 Conjure by the knot of four. Yes. 130 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,600 To open wide the flaming wheel. Conjure by the knot of five. 131 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,800 That spell shall live. 132 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,720 Conjure by the knot of six. Conjure by the knot of seven. That is a spell in 133 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,440 stars. It be written on earth that it is in heaven. 134 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,320 Conjure by the knot of eight. Let it be fulfilled by the hand of fate. 135 00:10:46,860 --> 00:10:50,960 The conjurer by the nod of mine, this spell is mine, this spell is mine. 136 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,600 By witch's breath thou will shall be, by witch's breath thou will shall be, and 137 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,680 through the flames I set you free. 138 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,059 It's done. 139 00:11:03,060 --> 00:11:04,340 Done. It's a short spell. 140 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:15,700 There are many forms of witchcraft. In actual fact, if you have a room full of 141 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:18,360 witches, you're probably going to have more opinions than the number of people 142 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,240 in a room because everybody has a very personal approach to it. 143 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,900 My understanding of witchcraft, a commonality that we share, is that we 144 00:11:25,900 --> 00:11:31,380 a relationship with the invisible world, with the realms of spirit, and that 145 00:11:31,380 --> 00:11:34,900 would include the realms of divine spirits, how the people would call the 146 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,860 We're all working outside of the construct of organized religion. 147 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,180 So we're not mediating to spirit through priesthood, we're having our own 148 00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:48,400 personal direct relationship, which effectively means we're heretics. 149 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:58,080 If witchcraft is to be believed, the witch's ladder spell will open doors for 150 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,060 to experience an encounter with magic. 151 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:07,080 And despite the warnings, I still have my sights set on finding a curse. 152 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,000 So I'm heading to a city famous. 153 00:12:10,540 --> 00:12:12,860 for its history of voodoo. 154 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,940 Celebrated for its festivals and nightlife, New Orleans is just as well 155 00:12:24,940 --> 00:12:27,540 for its long association with magic. 156 00:12:28,420 --> 00:12:33,240 And I'm hoping I've come to the right place in search of a curse. 157 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:38,720 But it's hard to separate the myths of voodoo from its authentic practice. 158 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,520 So first, I'm seeking out an expert to find out just what is voodoo. 159 00:12:45,770 --> 00:12:47,770 That's the question, right? What does voodoo mean? 160 00:12:48,730 --> 00:12:52,630 And some people say it means spirit or divinity, deity. 161 00:12:53,590 --> 00:12:58,310 We have a concept called ashe, which is the divine, sacred energy of things. 162 00:12:58,410 --> 00:13:03,910 Everything has ashe. The chair has ashe. The crossroads as a space has ashe. And 163 00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:08,630 we celebrate the ashe in ourselves and also outside in the wild world where we 164 00:13:08,630 --> 00:13:13,070 find it. To me, that's what voodoo really is. It's sort of an understanding 165 00:13:13,070 --> 00:13:14,070 everything is interconnected. 166 00:13:16,590 --> 00:13:21,930 Too many misconceptions about voodoo. I mean, I think people hopefully are 167 00:13:21,930 --> 00:13:25,310 coming to terms with things like, you know, that it's not all negative, that 168 00:13:25,310 --> 00:13:29,250 it's bad, that it's dark. I think people understand that voodoo dolls aren't 169 00:13:29,250 --> 00:13:32,290 really a thing. They understand that zombies aren't really a thing. 170 00:13:32,750 --> 00:13:38,450 On the other hand, it also does have things that are very centered on curses 171 00:13:38,450 --> 00:13:41,570 hexes and what people would think of as negative magic. 172 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,900 But what I say to people is, if you knew your partner or your child was getting 173 00:13:46,900 --> 00:13:50,800 hurt, would you retaliate? Would you just sit there and do nothing? 174 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,320 You know, you're going to try and resist and stop them from getting hurt with 175 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,620 whatever you have at your disposal. 176 00:13:57,060 --> 00:13:58,700 And we have this very powerful magic. 177 00:14:07,730 --> 00:14:12,510 Witchcraft, like all religions, is complex and oftentimes contradictory. 178 00:14:13,530 --> 00:14:17,330 And I now know curses are practiced in this tradition. 179 00:14:18,350 --> 00:14:23,470 So I've reached out to a well -known voodoo priest in the hope that they 180 00:14:23,470 --> 00:14:26,870 be receptive to my search for dark magic. 181 00:14:29,330 --> 00:14:30,330 Greetings, welcome. 182 00:14:30,750 --> 00:14:31,649 Thank you. 183 00:14:31,650 --> 00:14:33,750 Wash your hands for me and come on in. 184 00:14:34,070 --> 00:14:35,150 Okay, absolutely. 185 00:14:36,010 --> 00:14:37,850 It's a bit of a blessing. Thank you. 186 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:43,010 And a slick way to get some sanitizer on you. And welcome to the house of the 187 00:14:43,010 --> 00:14:44,610 divine friend. Thank you so much. 188 00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:46,310 This is my sacred space. 189 00:14:46,730 --> 00:14:51,730 This is my ministry room, if you will. You see Santeria in this room. You see 190 00:14:51,730 --> 00:14:52,770 Lukumi in this room. 191 00:14:53,090 --> 00:14:57,810 You see Ifa in this room. And certainly you see Voodoo present in this room. 192 00:14:58,010 --> 00:15:00,630 One piece that I've noticed is this piece down here. 193 00:15:00,870 --> 00:15:03,370 Can you tell me a little bit about that? You need to be careful with that. 194 00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:04,750 Stand up. 195 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:10,720 Okay. This is a spirit devil. It's a warrior, if you will. So he handles all 196 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:15,060 bad things that I can't do in the spirit realm. And each of those nails 197 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:20,660 represent a successful mission for which this deity has operated in. This piece 198 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:24,120 has done some powerful things for me. 199 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,840 And so I keep people away from it. 200 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,040 Can you tell me the sorts of things that people come to you looking for? They 201 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,100 look to be blessed. They look to be cleansed. They look to be protected. 202 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,280 I channel the ancestors. 203 00:15:40,540 --> 00:15:43,500 I channel Loa, Arisha, deities. 204 00:15:44,140 --> 00:15:50,960 And certainly I need the head of the client to be active in the ritual. 205 00:15:51,420 --> 00:15:56,820 So I can't do something to you, you know, that you're not willing to accept. 206 00:15:57,390 --> 00:16:03,850 This might sound an unusual request, but I'm interested in finding a curse, a 207 00:16:03,850 --> 00:16:05,010 hex in some way. 208 00:16:05,210 --> 00:16:11,910 Not to visually prove anything on camera, but personally prove to myself 209 00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:13,010 can experience something. 210 00:16:13,410 --> 00:16:14,930 Makes no sense to me at all. 211 00:16:16,270 --> 00:16:19,730 You're looking for a curse to validate what? 212 00:16:20,410 --> 00:16:24,350 And so a positive thing, a blessing. 213 00:16:25,550 --> 00:16:29,150 A miraculous thing won't do that for you. It has to be a curse. 214 00:16:29,390 --> 00:16:33,750 A positive thing feels like it could just be something that happens on day to 215 00:16:33,750 --> 00:16:38,110 day, whereas something more like a curse might be more out of the unusual and 216 00:16:38,110 --> 00:16:41,870 something that would validate for my own personal belief. 217 00:16:42,170 --> 00:16:45,130 As a black man in America, I feel the exact opposite. 218 00:16:46,770 --> 00:16:50,430 I deal with the curse every day. I go through hell every day. 219 00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:54,130 People are calling me and contacting me for help who are... 220 00:16:54,520 --> 00:17:00,240 cursed every day the norm is to be cursed and so it sounds 221 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:07,140 without being disrespectful almost entitled it's a good point 222 00:17:07,140 --> 00:17:11,339 and i don't mean to make light of it at all i feel like i'm looking for 223 00:17:11,339 --> 00:17:18,000 something harsh so that it can grab my attention and give me some 224 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,420 understanding of what it is that may be beyond this materialistic world 225 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,540 I can't tell you how dangerous that is. 226 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,360 And what you're opening yourself up to, losing everything. 227 00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:37,160 Oh my, I'm about to sound like an evangelical Christian. 228 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,540 You're literally begging the devil to knock on your door just to prove to you 229 00:17:42,540 --> 00:17:43,540 that God's real. 230 00:17:44,340 --> 00:17:50,240 There are rules to our universe. And even before it comes out of our mouth, 231 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,820 got to be in our consciousness. 232 00:17:53,860 --> 00:17:56,920 So the universe has already heard your request. 233 00:17:57,300 --> 00:18:01,200 The position that you see the world from is not something it's very easy for me 234 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,960 to be able to see. We need to experience things for ourselves. 235 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,060 And that's what I'm doing. I'm looking for a personal experience. 236 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:14,780 My fear at this point is that the wheels are in motion. 237 00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:20,280 Because it doesn't matter what you tell me, you've already released that. And I 238 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,220 can only accept that you... 239 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,320 Absolutely believe what you're saying. 240 00:18:26,260 --> 00:18:27,260 Scarcely. 241 00:18:28,860 --> 00:18:32,040 A curse could end your life. Then what are you proving? 242 00:18:33,460 --> 00:18:37,540 I'm dead now, but wow, now I know that there's something really beyond this. 243 00:18:39,620 --> 00:18:40,620 Oof. 244 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:46,200 Y 'all better not call me at 2 o 'clock in the morning talking about this man is 245 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,420 dead. I don't want to hear that. 246 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,160 I don't want to hear that. 247 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,900 We're having a tough, little bit of a tough time out here. 248 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:31,240 I'm struggling to convince anyone of my 249 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,360 meaning and my intention. 250 00:19:35,780 --> 00:19:37,260 What's happening when you talk to them? 251 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:43,100 Well, there's been a lot of pushback in terms of, you know, making me consider 252 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:47,220 how much more fortunate I am than a lot of other people in the world. 253 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,960 Yeah, I mean, I guess I can get why if you just, you know, say it's like a 254 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:51,960 personal journey. 255 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,980 The journey I'm on does kind of sound like buzzwords to people, you know? I 256 00:19:54,980 --> 00:19:58,320 think I need to find a better way to articulate why it's important to me. 257 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:00,440 Because it is sincere. 258 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:05,280 And I think that if I go out there and say, hey, I'm looking for a blessing, 259 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:11,380 I walk down the street and I find a $10 note, I feel like that won't change my 260 00:20:11,380 --> 00:20:13,720 mind, won't be the validation that I'm looking for. 261 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:17,600 Are you nervous at all that if you do find someone who's willing to curse you, 262 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,540 like, what that will actually be like? 263 00:20:19,940 --> 00:20:21,300 You know, I don't know what. 264 00:20:21,550 --> 00:20:23,650 to believe about any of this stuff anymore. 265 00:20:24,210 --> 00:20:30,390 I think at the beginning of this, maybe I was more skeptical as the days have 266 00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:31,390 gone on. 267 00:20:31,710 --> 00:20:33,350 I'm not sure what I think anymore. 268 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:42,870 Should I really be concerned about being cursed? 269 00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:47,530 And is there any actual evidence that magic could be real? 270 00:20:48,940 --> 00:20:53,000 Thankfully, there are those who are studying the science of this phenomena. 271 00:20:53,920 --> 00:21:00,560 Founded 50 years ago by Apollo 14 astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the 272 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,400 Noetic Sciences is one of the leading centers for the investigation into the 273 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,280 power of human consciousness. 274 00:21:07,860 --> 00:21:13,200 What we study are exceptional experiences. That's our euphemism. 275 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:18,820 But that means mystical experience, psychic experience, and other kinds of 276 00:21:18,820 --> 00:21:20,000 transformative experiences. 277 00:21:20,460 --> 00:21:24,340 What are the goals of the Institute of Noetic Sciences? 278 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:30,140 We have a working hypothesis that all minds are interconnected. 279 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:36,440 And so part of the goal is to test ideas that would either confirm or deny that 280 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,440 hypothesis. 281 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,960 Mostly we end up confirming it. 282 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,780 And of course, this is part of the esoteric traditions that go back as far 283 00:21:44,780 --> 00:21:46,000 humanity goes. 284 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:52,200 And we're trying to apply the tools of science to better understand what 285 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,540 apparently the ancients knew quite well. 286 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:59,660 So I'm particularly interested in the idea of force of will magic. 287 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:05,540 And does thought intention really affect the world around us? So in the 288 00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:11,370 laboratory... That kind of experiment is thought about as a mind -matter 289 00:22:11,370 --> 00:22:12,370 interaction. 290 00:22:12,650 --> 00:22:18,170 Is the mind able to change something that is physically measurable at a 291 00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:19,170 distance? 292 00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:21,070 Well, the answer is yes. 293 00:22:21,530 --> 00:22:28,110 The largest single class of studies involves random physical 294 00:22:28,110 --> 00:22:31,310 systems. We're talking about electronic random number generators. 295 00:22:31,570 --> 00:22:34,650 So you ask somebody, while the bits are being created, 296 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:42,340 to simply will more ones to come up or more zeros to come up. And so after 50 297 00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:47,280 or more years of doing experiments as part of a laboratory test, that works. 298 00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:51,980 So we take all of that and we then address the question of, well, does 299 00:22:51,980 --> 00:22:52,579 will work? 300 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:57,040 In the real world, I would say the affirmations, magic spells and all the 301 00:22:57,060 --> 00:23:03,300 they do work, but usually they don't work at anywhere near the same speed. 302 00:23:03,870 --> 00:23:05,310 as what we see in the laboratory. 303 00:23:06,430 --> 00:23:11,910 Traditional witchcraft practitioners believe their spell crafting can affect 304 00:23:11,910 --> 00:23:12,910 world around us. 305 00:23:13,290 --> 00:23:19,070 And now scientists are finding evidence that the human mind can affect digital 306 00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:20,750 systems in the lab. 307 00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:25,530 One of the largest experiments on the subject was conducted by the Global 308 00:23:25,530 --> 00:23:26,590 Consciousness Project. 309 00:23:27,420 --> 00:23:32,820 The group placed random number generators around densely populated 310 00:23:32,820 --> 00:23:37,280 if the thoughts and emotions of large groups of people could skew the 311 00:23:37,540 --> 00:23:44,120 readings away from a 50 -50 chance of being a 1 or a 0, especially during 312 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:45,260 major world events. 313 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:57,610 The data recorded on these machines around the events of September 11th 314 00:23:57,610 --> 00:24:03,830 significant deviations that for many suggest evidence of a unified field of 315 00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:04,930 human consciousness. 316 00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:11,730 I've asked magical practitioners if they would in some way give me a negative 317 00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:14,810 spell or that could be a curse or a hex. 318 00:24:15,030 --> 00:24:20,050 What's the likelihood from some of your experience that whether I believe or not 319 00:24:20,050 --> 00:24:22,150 I could still be affected in some way? 320 00:24:22,450 --> 00:24:26,090 You could still be affected purely for psychological reasons. 321 00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:32,150 That once your unconscious has the notion that somebody's putting a curse 322 00:24:32,150 --> 00:24:34,970 you, it could do serious damage. 323 00:24:35,410 --> 00:24:39,670 And that can push your physiology. It can do all kinds of interesting things. 324 00:24:39,850 --> 00:24:44,830 And if I found somebody who did want the harm using this method, I would walk 325 00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:45,830 away fast. 326 00:24:46,270 --> 00:24:47,730 Because what else are they thinking? 327 00:24:48,270 --> 00:24:50,870 I just don't want to be around people like that. 328 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,140 My search for dark magic in New Orleans isn't over yet. 329 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:05,580 I've made contact with a practitioner who actively practices negative magic 330 00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:08,300 what he sees are many legitimate reasons. 331 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:16,160 Hi, Elias. Hello. Good to meet you. Good to meet you too. Yeah, absolutely. 332 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:17,660 Wow, this story is incredible. 333 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,380 Thank you. New Orleans is known very much for voodoo, but what... 334 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,600 Is your practice? 335 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:29,260 I practice hoodoo and witchcraft. I have a couple of other associations to other 336 00:25:29,260 --> 00:25:33,060 traditions, but people call me all types of things. They call me conjureman. 337 00:25:33,140 --> 00:25:34,320 They call me a witch. 338 00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:36,300 They call me a magician. 339 00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:37,760 They call me a priest. 340 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:39,380 To me, it's the same thing. 341 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,300 I'm interested in finding out about the world of curses. 342 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:45,360 Sure, we could definitely have a conversation about curses. 343 00:25:45,580 --> 00:25:46,580 All right, where do we start? 344 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:49,520 We start right now with the reading. Okay, great. Let's do it. 345 00:25:52,810 --> 00:25:56,550 Why a curse and not something else? 346 00:25:56,790 --> 00:25:58,570 It's hard to explain. 347 00:25:58,970 --> 00:26:05,270 I feel like I want to push the boundaries of my own experience as far 348 00:26:05,270 --> 00:26:06,109 take them. 349 00:26:06,110 --> 00:26:09,010 Does that make sense in terms of... 350 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:14,320 Do practitioners such as yourself, do you push boundaries for your own 351 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,620 experience? Yeah, I do understand it. I think that you're making agreements. 352 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:26,240 You're saying in exchange for more knowledge and insight of these esoteric 353 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,280 spiritual concepts, I'm willing to put myself in the face of danger, which to 354 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,200 is partly brave, partly stupid. 355 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,560 That's kind of like the best. 356 00:26:36,270 --> 00:26:41,810 Best things in life kind of come from that kind of mix of stepping out without 357 00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:44,410 feeling like you fully have a net. 358 00:26:46,150 --> 00:26:48,290 So tarot cards are just a tool. 359 00:26:48,750 --> 00:26:51,730 Really what I'm doing is speaking to spirit. 360 00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:57,230 I'm asking specifically about any work that we may do, how that would affect 361 00:26:57,230 --> 00:26:58,230 you. 362 00:26:58,290 --> 00:27:02,370 So wherever the magician card comes up in the reading is where magic enters the 363 00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:04,190 picture, where magic enters the chat, right? 364 00:27:05,649 --> 00:27:09,970 So anyone who has eyes to see and understands even a little bit of art can 365 00:27:09,970 --> 00:27:13,410 how the colors change a little bit here and how the mood has changed after the 366 00:27:13,410 --> 00:27:14,410 work is done. 367 00:27:14,650 --> 00:27:18,030 So we're going from the magician card to the three of pentacles, the hangman, 368 00:27:18,090 --> 00:27:21,850 and then the shadow self. It looks like you have a relatively positive life. 369 00:27:22,090 --> 00:27:25,010 It looks like you have a lot of love and a lot of opportunity. 370 00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:31,970 You are going to cause a little bit of damage to that. 371 00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:34,150 You'll get what you want, though. 372 00:27:35,050 --> 00:27:38,790 You'll get an experience, and you'll get your questions answered. 373 00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:42,490 You'll be represented as the emperor moving forward. 374 00:27:43,030 --> 00:27:48,470 What I see is transformation, your idea of yourself changing, but I think the 375 00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:53,590 crux of what the cards are saying, you're opening a door that you are 376 00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:58,090 consciously saying you want to be negative, down a negative path, to 377 00:27:58,090 --> 00:28:00,530 what's behind it, and you're going to find that, and it's going to have 378 00:28:00,530 --> 00:28:03,930 detrimental effects on things that are already positive around you. Right. 379 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,100 And I'm sorry, but that's what this... Yeah, that's what the cards say. 380 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:13,040 With the cards as they are right now, and if I would still like to move ahead 381 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:18,440 with the casting, are you still open to the idea of doing it? 382 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,480 Yeah. 383 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:22,140 But now it's more into painting. 384 00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:40,470 So today we're going to be doing creation of a charm to be effectively a 385 00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:45,470 We're going to be first tying you to one of these coffin nails. 386 00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:51,150 So some of your hair, we're going to tie it to the coffin nail. This should slow 387 00:28:51,150 --> 00:28:54,850 you down a little bit, making it more difficult for you to accomplish things 388 00:28:54,850 --> 00:29:00,350 that you hope to accomplish, and then repelling people who could otherwise be 389 00:29:00,350 --> 00:29:01,990 assistance to you away from you. 390 00:29:04,309 --> 00:29:08,670 So, that was fun? Okay. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. 391 00:29:14,290 --> 00:29:17,410 Ancestors, those who sacrifice, bless what intends for our very existence, I 392 00:29:17,410 --> 00:29:21,410 calling you. We are asking you to be here with us. We are asking for your 393 00:29:21,450 --> 00:29:25,590 your wisdom, your direction, your insight in our lives. Yet again, 394 00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:29,780 Those who sacrifice blood, sweat, and tears for our very existence, we are 395 00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:32,820 calling you. We are asking you to be here with us. 396 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,800 Nothing to worry about. 397 00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:41,180 Don't scare you too bad yet. 398 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,160 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord 399 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,820 thy God, who observe. 400 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,040 to do all his commandments and his statutes, which I command thee this day, 401 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,260 all these cursers shall come upon thee and overtake thee. 402 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,020 The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption and with a fever and with an 403 00:30:02,020 --> 00:30:05,760 inflammation and with an extreme burning, and they shall pursue thee 404 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,980 perish. And thou, well, we don't want all that, do we? 405 00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:16,030 The Lord shall make the rain of the land powder and the dust from heaven shall 406 00:30:16,030 --> 00:30:19,010 come down upon thee until thou be destroyed. 407 00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:23,090 The Lord shall smite thee in the knees and in the legs. 408 00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:27,570 Moreover, all these curses shall come upon thee and shall pursue thee and 409 00:30:27,570 --> 00:30:29,010 overtake thee till thou be destroyed. 410 00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:34,090 He shall put forth a yoke of iron upon thy neck until he have destroyed thee. 411 00:30:38,530 --> 00:30:41,290 And so says he has asked for this. 412 00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:46,970 In favor of his experience, his desire to know and to learn and to grow in his 413 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:49,470 own spiritual practice, I ask that you give this to him. 414 00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:54,210 But you did ask for this. I did ask for this, yes. 415 00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:58,030 Even if you didn't wear this, it's still connected to you. 416 00:31:01,270 --> 00:31:04,030 And this is doom oil. 417 00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:06,610 Doom oil is death unto my enemy. 418 00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:09,670 It comes from a pot called an nganga. 419 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,260 And then Ganga's African necromancy. 420 00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:19,000 So first comes nightmares, random feelings of dread, confusion, 421 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,600 fogginess of the mind. 422 00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:27,100 And then comes sickness, inability to sleep. 423 00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:28,860 And then comes loss. 424 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,060 You're going to have to catch it somewhere along this process. 425 00:31:33,380 --> 00:31:34,720 Before it gets too far. 426 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,500 And if you don't do what's required. 427 00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:40,400 Everything that's spoken is what's intended. 428 00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:10,100 There you go. 429 00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:15,480 So, we've done it. 430 00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:17,060 Mm -hmm. 431 00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:19,340 Feels heavier than I thought. 432 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,660 Wonderful. It's going to feel heavier and heavier and heavier and heavier, 433 00:32:22,660 --> 00:32:25,060 iron around your neck, like it was said. 434 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,040 If you really want to see if it works, then don't take it off. 435 00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:34,080 This is going to be fun. 436 00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:36,660 How do you feel after doing this? 437 00:32:46,620 --> 00:32:48,580 That must be quite seductive. It is. 438 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,320 But that's the power you're calling on. 439 00:32:51,780 --> 00:32:52,780 The devil, right? 440 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,240 Quite seductive. 441 00:32:58,420 --> 00:32:59,420 And now it's with you. 442 00:33:25,450 --> 00:33:29,250 So a curse can happen to a person, whether they believe it or even know 443 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:32,750 it, because the magic is affecting the quality of spirit in their world. 444 00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:38,290 If you don't have a strong sense of self -identity, no strong sense of 445 00:33:38,290 --> 00:33:42,750 personality, rather you simply follow the energy around you as it presents, 446 00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:46,090 it doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not, you're going to feel that 447 00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:49,630 quality of spirit that's being manipulated around you, and it's going 448 00:33:49,630 --> 00:33:51,350 you down a path that's going to be negative. 449 00:33:51,820 --> 00:33:57,720 I think there's a danger of doing something that is harmful to you, 450 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,740 those around you who might not be protected. 451 00:34:00,260 --> 00:34:03,900 There are, as I said, there's evil people, there's evil energies in the 452 00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,540 universe. And if you're playing around with that and you don't know what you're 453 00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:09,280 doing, then you'd be lucky to make it out alive. 454 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,420 So have you ever seen or experienced the effects of dark magic? 455 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,940 Oh yeah, when they broke into my house. 456 00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:17,960 One person. 457 00:34:18,620 --> 00:34:20,699 I knew exactly who the person was. 458 00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:25,909 While I'm gone, he pushes the air conditioning in and breaks into my 459 00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:30,250 But then he went to the altars. That was the mistake. 460 00:34:30,650 --> 00:34:35,690 And he stole very expensive liquor off the altars, consecrated items off the 461 00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:40,310 altars. I immediately called every elder that I knew in town. 462 00:34:41,409 --> 00:34:42,989 This isn't about retribution. 463 00:34:43,989 --> 00:34:47,170 This isn't about my desire to want to do some kind of dark magic. 464 00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:49,650 I cannot protect him. 465 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,199 He violated my shrine. 466 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,880 I can't protect him. 467 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,420 You've got to get him to bring that back. 468 00:34:58,340 --> 00:34:59,740 Seven days later, he's dead. 469 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,600 Okay, Leon, you can hear me? 470 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,880 Great. 471 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,260 You can go ahead and open the shutter. 472 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:19,440 For the last few months, I've heard from those who practice magic. 473 00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:25,010 Now I'm meeting with parapsychologists whose research into mind over matter 474 00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:28,490 includes the study of spiritual healers. 475 00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:35,030 I want to know how might spiritual healing occur and should I be worried 476 00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:37,030 the opposite, dark magic. 477 00:35:37,610 --> 00:35:41,870 After all, I'm now officially a cursed man. 478 00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:50,400 When I was a kid, My family was very open to the type of phenomena that we 479 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,840 here, different sorts of healing. My mother was a healer. It was a family 480 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,538 of thing. 481 00:35:55,540 --> 00:35:59,540 And then when I was in my 20s, I found out the Ryan Research Center existed. 482 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:05,380 It was a place where they had scientifically studied ESP, PK, and 483 00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:07,120 phenomena that I was interested in. 484 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,520 Well, a lot of years later, in 2009, I joined a research team and started 485 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,520 working here. 486 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:17,300 When people think of the term parapsychology, they think of a lot of 487 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:22,620 things. Many people think of Bigfoot or Loch Ness Monster or, you know, chasing 488 00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:27,060 down UFOs. Those are very interesting topics, but not what we study in 489 00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:28,060 parapsychology. 490 00:36:28,580 --> 00:36:32,480 Parapsychology is actually a science that studies five very specific 491 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,280 One being telepathy, mind -to -mind communication. 492 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,020 Another, clairvoyance, getting information about objects or events that 493 00:36:42,020 --> 00:36:46,780 hidden. Third area is precognition, getting information through time. 494 00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:51,500 We group them together and call them ESP or extrasensory perception. 495 00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:58,320 In addition to ESP, we also study psychokinesis, mind -matter interaction. 496 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,260 The fifth area is survival studies. 497 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,720 Survival studies includes everything from near -death experiences, out -of 498 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,920 experiences, past lives, or reincarnation. So those are the five 499 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:11,960 parapsychologists study. 500 00:37:15,310 --> 00:37:21,130 This is a photo multiplier, too, that measures really low levels of light. 501 00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:27,830 People naturally produce very low levels of light in the ultraviolet range. 502 00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:32,770 And so what we're looking for in here is to see if when people are doing 503 00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:38,530 healing, meditation, martial arts, or any sort of psi activity, whether 504 00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:42,650 any change in the light level from them. And so that's what this machine is 505 00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:43,650 designed to do. 506 00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:49,320 We take people who say they're healers. We don't test to make sure they're 507 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,860 healers. People do that in other labs. People who do medical work are doing 508 00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:56,960 that. What we do here is we're trying to say, what is the mechanism behind 509 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,860 healing? All right, Liam, we've got a great baseline. 510 00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:02,140 Do you want to go ahead and start your meditation now? 511 00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:15,570 So you can see we started the active session, and we had one spike that went 512 00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:19,490 to 12 from the baseline, which was under 7 beforehand. 513 00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:23,870 We just had one spike that went up to 12. That's a nice difference, but we'd 514 00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:27,510 like to see a little bit more than just one. So we'd like to see if we get any 515 00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:29,730 more of those throughout the active session here. 516 00:38:30,110 --> 00:38:33,330 The baseline is typically about 12 to 20 photons a second. 517 00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:35,930 We see that number jump up to 80. 518 00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:38,090 It's four times the baseline. 519 00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:40,110 Statistically, very large. 520 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,100 But we also see people go into the hundreds, into the thousands. 521 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,600 You don't need statistics to figure this out. There's something unusual going on 522 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,600 in the lab there. 523 00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:54,080 Well, it was pretty much a flat baseline throughout. 524 00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:56,900 Okay. But there was a slight variation. 525 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,240 And if you look at the graph over here, you can see as soon as you started, we 526 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:03,178 saw this jump. 527 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:04,220 up to 11 or 12. 528 00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:09,360 Now, normally we would want to see multiple jumps like this. So I wouldn't 529 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,980 consider this a really strong indication, but it's a start. 530 00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:19,380 If this bioenergy, if this ultraviolet light that comes from people is being 531 00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:24,620 used as a carrier wave to transfer information between people and allow 532 00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:29,140 to occur in another person, perhaps that's what we're finding in our lab. 533 00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:33,510 This is where we are right now looking at healing in the field of 534 00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:34,510 parapsychology. 535 00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:42,710 If people have this ability to heal, do you think that people have the ability 536 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:46,910 to do the opposite of that and put a curse on someone, for example, and make 537 00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:47,910 them ill? 538 00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:53,510 I don't understand. Why would you let someone hurt you purposely? 539 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,520 Anyone who is able to affect someone in a healthy way may also be able to affect 540 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,040 them in a negative way as well and hurt their health. 541 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,620 No one wants to put themselves in harm's way. Why would you actually let someone 542 00:40:06,620 --> 00:40:08,400 do that? That would be a dangerous thing. 543 00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:11,580 I know you have something else in mind here. Yeah. 544 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:18,080 Well, you know, I'll put the cards on the table now. I have been around people 545 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,060 who have suggested they have that ability. Of course. And I have. 546 00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:24,840 I'll have them potentially do that to me. 547 00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:28,580 Okay. 548 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,200 How you feeling? 549 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,180 I'm in the middle of that right now. 550 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,520 Okay. 551 00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:36,240 If you need some help, let me know. 552 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,560 I'm not kidding. 553 00:40:47,780 --> 00:40:53,060 Several weeks after Elias put a curse on me and I started to get some pretty 554 00:40:53,060 --> 00:40:59,720 unsettling dreams, the most recent really shook me up and left me feeling 555 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:01,740 anxious all day. 556 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,220 I think I need to get some advice on the dangers of what I'm potentially doing 557 00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:22,340 to my psyche. 558 00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:26,940 I noticed you're not wearing the curse around your neck right now. 559 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,440 So I was told that it's at its strongest when I'm wearing it around my neck. But 560 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,620 either way, it's attached to me and doing its work regardless. 561 00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:41,340 Within about three to four weeks of going through that experience, I did 562 00:41:41,340 --> 00:41:43,980 to have some very bad dreams. 563 00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:49,690 more violent, more sinister. 564 00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:56,590 I had a dream in which I was being held captive or something was going to 565 00:41:56,590 --> 00:42:01,750 was going to torture 566 00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:06,650 my cat and make me watch it. 567 00:42:08,430 --> 00:42:11,910 The only way to stop this from happening would be if I had 568 00:42:14,830 --> 00:42:19,690 tried to put my cat to sleep to stop him suffering. 569 00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:28,390 And that dream really, really got to me. 570 00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:29,689 I'll bet. 571 00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:30,690 Yeah. 572 00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:38,230 That was one of the moments, particularly when I felt maybe this 573 00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:39,230 is getting to me. 574 00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:46,210 For me, seeking out something like They're seeking out curses. What are the 575 00:42:46,210 --> 00:42:48,970 potential psychological dangers for me? 576 00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:52,130 Well, I think some of them you've experienced already. 577 00:42:53,470 --> 00:43:00,090 Anxiety and some fear that's come up. I think those are natural, normal 578 00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:01,110 suggestions. 579 00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:05,870 They bypass the rational mind. 580 00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:11,510 They go right to the subconscious, bypass the rational mind, and then they 581 00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:16,850 influence not only your expectations and your perceptions, but your behaviors 582 00:43:16,850 --> 00:43:19,170 without you being aware of it. 583 00:43:19,450 --> 00:43:25,170 In my estimation, the danger is that then it just takes over and everything 584 00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:28,350 becomes a negative. Everything becomes a problem. 585 00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:33,570 And what you did was you went out and said, I'm going to lean into the 586 00:43:33,570 --> 00:43:34,570 right now. 587 00:43:34,780 --> 00:43:41,560 And so how far do you take that? At what point is there enough anxiety for you, 588 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:48,440 enough bad dreams for you, enough things for you to make a choice to lean into 589 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,440 the positive? 590 00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:57,640 As upsetting as they may have been, I don't think my violent nightmares are 591 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,300 enough to convince me of the existence of magic just yet. 592 00:44:03,370 --> 00:44:05,170 So I've decided to go further. 593 00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:10,970 I'm seeking out another curse from a place known for some of the oldest 594 00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:13,470 teachings of magic in the world. 595 00:44:16,810 --> 00:44:21,970 Perhaps this is tempting fate, but I keep my curse with me as I travel to a 596 00:44:21,970 --> 00:44:25,910 place known as the Land of Black Magic. 597 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,720 I'm traveling to the village of Mayang in the very northeast of India. 598 00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:42,080 Perched on the banks of the vast Brahmaputra river, Mayang's traditional 599 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:49,080 life shrouds its rich history of magic, witchcraft, and even human sacrifice. 600 00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:56,460 Its unbroken lineage of magical teachings have passed on through the 601 00:44:56,460 --> 00:44:58,160 for hundreds of years. 602 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:06,700 Today, It's illegal to perform dark magic, and the practices are shrouded in 603 00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:07,700 secrecy. 604 00:45:09,580 --> 00:45:14,620 Luckily, I have an old friend who's a seasoned journalist here in India, and 605 00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:19,540 he's agreed to help me find some of India's elusive magic practitioners. 606 00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:29,040 Mayang is not a small place. It must be maybe in the 50, 60, 70 square 607 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,040 kilometers area. 608 00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:36,880 And Muang is pretty much the epicenter of all black magic in 609 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,000 this country. 610 00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:45,560 So this place where we are at here today is a temple which has been around here 611 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,760 for hundreds of years now. 612 00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:53,200 And it's a primary location where people come to cleanse themselves of any black 613 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,460 magic that's been carried out on them. How difficult is it going to be to see 614 00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:59,360 some black magic practice for ourselves? 615 00:46:00,170 --> 00:46:05,750 It's banned by Indian law. It's very difficult. People are very scared to 616 00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:07,950 talk about it. Forget, begin showing you. 617 00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:09,930 It's not going to be an easy task. 618 00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:15,310 The practitioner here, he helps remove the black magic on you. So if somebody 619 00:46:15,310 --> 00:46:20,030 may cast a spell on you, he removes all of those spirits. He says he'll be able 620 00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:21,150 to clean that out for you. 621 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:28,300 Tara Baba is one of India's mystical tantric practitioners who are said to 622 00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:33,740 the ability to weave together both our physical and supernatural worlds. 623 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:40,560 I'm hoping to learn more about the power of this ancient practice before I seek 624 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,840 out a dark magic experience. 625 00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:53,020 There are a lot of wild animals here. 626 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,800 This is a tiger, this is a bull, and I don't know, there are thousands of 627 00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,800 forests. There are snakes. 628 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,920 There are a lot of big snakes here. They come here and sit here from time to 629 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,460 time. All animals are my friends. They are your friends. 630 00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:10,080 In our Hindu, there are three mantras. 631 00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:12,360 Tantra, mantra, yantra. 632 00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:14,260 And I have the knowledge of all three. 633 00:47:16,780 --> 00:47:17,900 If someone does tantra, 634 00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:33,530 So this is possession of a jinn. 635 00:47:59,569 --> 00:48:04,470 I'm shaken by the theme of a real life exorcism. 636 00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:12,210 Whether or not it's evil spirit or simply belief through the power of 637 00:48:12,210 --> 00:48:18,580 suggestion, either way, I'm reminded just how fragile and susceptible our 638 00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:24,060 can be to these dangers, especially if we go looking for them. 639 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,420 The spiritual practice of Tantra is of course much more than witchcraft. 640 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,640 First recorded in the 6th century, Its teachings suggest everything in this 641 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:52,180 material world is interconnected and infused with divine feminine power. 642 00:48:53,820 --> 00:49:00,100 My obsession with finding dark magic seems aligned with an important tantric 643 00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:06,020 principle that by actively engaging with our spiritual obstacles such as desire 644 00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:12,460 and fear we can learn to overcome them and become interwoven physically and 645 00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:15,670 spiritually. with all that surrounds us. 646 00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:24,570 Tonight is an important Hindu festival, and at temples across the country, there 647 00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:28,050 will be large celebrations in honor of Lord Ganesha. 648 00:49:28,890 --> 00:49:33,410 It's an important opportunity to find some local magic practitioners. 649 00:49:34,450 --> 00:49:39,290 To help me navigate the festival, I'm meeting with local guide and wildlife 650 00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:41,150 photographer, Champak. 651 00:50:00,439 --> 00:50:06,240 As the evening celebrations get underway, our team makes an important 652 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:11,620 with this secretive tantric who agreed to perform a dark magic ritual. 653 00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:14,250 but only in the remote jungle. 654 00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:20,550 The local tantrics have advised us not to venture into the wild with this 655 00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:21,630 unknown practitioner. 656 00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:27,630 But my time here is running short, and I'm determined to experience a dark 657 00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:29,270 ritual for myself. 658 00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:36,420 So basically, I'm worried about the safety issues first because we don't 659 00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:40,900 about him as we already spoke about it. He was speaking about the goddess 660 00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:47,720 Chinnamasta. So she is the goddess of black magic. Right. And you don't know 661 00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:54,220 dangerous she is. She might just slit off your head if she is angry. Okay. 662 00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:55,300 yours, and I... 663 00:50:55,530 --> 00:50:57,250 Will not be able to do anything. 664 00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:58,530 It's like, whoa. 665 00:50:59,450 --> 00:51:01,790 That's what he said. Yeah, that's what he said. 666 00:51:02,090 --> 00:51:03,090 Will there be weapons? 667 00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:07,510 Oh, of course there'll be weapons because they use swords. 668 00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:09,730 Definitely they'll be there. 669 00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:11,990 I guess that's new information. 670 00:51:12,370 --> 00:51:17,290 The path is really, you know, dangerous and full of wild animals. 671 00:51:17,550 --> 00:51:22,580 And also the ceremony he does, like the prayers he does, is always at... At 672 00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:24,140 night. Then we can't come back down? 673 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,760 No. Seems very isolated. 674 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,360 Very isolated in the jungle. And he was talking about all the, you know, 675 00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:36,720 encounters with deities and dangerous, you know, demons, spirits and all, 676 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,160 right? Right. 677 00:51:38,420 --> 00:51:39,359 So we don't know. 678 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,240 Right. I guess we sleep on it and just see what we can do because I don't want 679 00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,220 to go home and not get it, but I'm certainly not going to put anyone at 680 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,440 Yeah. Yeah. 681 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:04,200 India's spiritual devotees awaken early to begin their daily prayers. 682 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,380 It's the place where both life and death is celebrated. 683 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:21,420 This is our final day here, our last chance to find authentic magic. 684 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:30,240 So despite the warnings, my crew and I have decided to meet the tantric, 685 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:36,060 to take us to his place of spiritual practice, deep in the jungle mountain. 686 00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:45,840 With packed supplies, we begin the mile and a half ascent to a cave where he 687 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,620 will call upon his goddess, Chinnamasta. 688 00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:55,170 It seems fitting that my journey to find light from the dark has led me to 689 00:52:55,170 --> 00:53:01,510 Chinnamatta, the goddess of both life and death, of destruction 690 00:53:01,510 --> 00:53:06,530 and recreation, the goddess of contradictions. 691 00:53:09,610 --> 00:53:14,270 As we near our destination, we cross a ring of brush fires. 692 00:53:15,390 --> 00:53:18,730 I'm told they won't burn much past the dry leaves. 693 00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:23,050 Maybe it's just the curse already attached to me. 694 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,640 But I can't help but feel that our options for escape are being choked off. 695 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,740 The tantrics prepare the sacred space with offerings to the gods as we await. 696 00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:54,150 nightfall. 697 00:53:55,010 --> 00:54:00,310 Tonight, the tantric here is going to try and invoke the spirit of 698 00:54:00,410 --> 00:54:02,750 Yes. And that spirit is going to judge upon us. 699 00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:05,870 Right. After sunset, he will do his work. 700 00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:12,530 According to him, Ma may appear here or Ma may talk with us. 701 00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:15,470 What happens? I don't know, but let's see. 702 00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:26,240 As the night finally draws closer, The Tantric focuses his mind ready for 703 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:27,320 tonight's ritual. 704 00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:34,580 Before I have a chance to question the choices that have led me here, I'm 705 00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:36,400 summoned into the sacred space. 706 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:46,220 Never before has my fate been so literally in the 707 00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:47,600 hands of the God. 708 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,520 Close your eyes. 709 00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:55,380 Remember God with your heart. 710 00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:57,780 God will talk to you here. 711 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,280 Ma! Ma! 712 00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,218 You're good. 713 00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:01,640 You're relaxed. 714 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,160 I relax this body? 715 00:56:04,460 --> 00:56:05,460 Yes. 716 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,000 You're relaxed. 717 00:56:14,380 --> 00:56:20,080 I'm not sure what I was expecting. 718 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,340 Perhaps the goddess herself would rise from the flames. 719 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,200 But real magic isn't. They'd show trick. 720 00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:33,200 How much feel this body? 721 00:56:33,460 --> 00:56:34,620 I feel good. I feel strong. 722 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:35,880 Strong? Yes. 723 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,320 Very strong? 724 00:56:37,620 --> 00:56:38,840 Yes, I do. 725 00:57:08,749 --> 00:57:15,030 There have been times in my life when I found clues that we may all be connected 726 00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:21,270 universally and spiritually in a way that's hard to intellectually define. 727 00:57:22,270 --> 00:57:26,580 I'm starting to realize that my search isn't for a curve. 728 00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:33,960 I'm looking for a door, for a gateway to the divine, something that 729 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,400 I've experienced before. 730 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:50,840 There was one big event in my life. I had a big climbing accident. 731 00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,300 Yeah, I know you told me about that before. 732 00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:58,520 So I was climbing a big route back home in the UK. 733 00:57:58,820 --> 00:58:02,260 I got right to the top, and then my foot got stuck in the rock. 734 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:08,360 I realized I hadn't placed enough gear in the rock as I went up. 735 00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:13,620 What that means is I would probably hit the ground if I fell off. It was terror, 736 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,660 absolute terror, because I had to get my foot out of the rock that was stuck. 737 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,580 And the minute my foot came out, my hand came away. 738 00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:23,100 And I fell. 739 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,400 I just remember putting my hands over my eyes. I just remember thinking, I'm 740 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,100 going to die and I just don't want to see it when it happens. 741 00:58:32,860 --> 00:58:34,840 This is where it gets strange. 742 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:40,080 I went from the most fear I've ever had in my life 743 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:46,340 to feeling an incredible, incredible 744 00:58:46,340 --> 00:58:48,640 sense of bliss. 745 00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:52,240 I felt so... 746 00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:59,800 at peace in a way that was just incredible just it it to this day it 747 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:06,120 no sense by luck i didn't hit the ground and i was like i'm alive 748 00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:12,840 i felt like i touched something that wasn't on our 749 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:18,440 normal natural level and i don't know what that is i don't know what it was 750 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:24,940 it it bugs me it bugs me that It makes me feel like there's stuff I don't 751 00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:28,760 understand or I'm not prepared to look into. I know this won't make sense to 752 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,880 most people. Like, why would you do this? 753 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:36,900 I almost want to experience the darkness to know that there is a light. 754 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,160 And I think that's what I'm looking for. 755 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:05,040 I now know that if I want to prove to myself that my climbing fall experience 756 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:11,860 was real, I can't be afraid to put myself in danger. So I'm seeking out the 757 01:00:11,860 --> 01:00:13,980 dangerous magic I can find. 758 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:21,260 I've come to Catamaco in southern Mexico, a beautiful and deeply spiritual 759 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:27,760 Ironically, it's most famous not for its revered Catholic church, but as a mecca 760 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,120 for witchcraft. 761 01:00:32,330 --> 01:00:36,950 The city's rich tradition of shamanism dates back to the ancient Olmec 762 01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:42,230 civilization, and it's still home to many male and female witches known as 763 01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:43,790 brujos and brujas. 764 01:00:45,050 --> 01:00:51,510 Every year a festival is held along the shores of Lake Catamaco, a gathering of 765 01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:53,630 the area's many witchcraft practitioners. 766 01:00:54,990 --> 01:00:59,650 Crowds in their thousands will come to see the spectacularly dressed shamans 767 01:00:59,650 --> 01:01:01,390 parade through the city. 768 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:11,320 A celebration of their deeply respected magical practice and history. 769 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,960 And for many visitors, it's a chance to meet with the Brujos to seek out a 770 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:24,080 magical spell in search of better health, fortune, or maybe something more 771 01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,080 nefarious. 772 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,680 And of course, I'm here to meet one of the Brujos. 773 01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:36,320 still seeking a spiritual experience through the power of dark magic. 774 01:01:59,310 --> 01:02:04,350 Mi nombre es Juan Rosario Toto, mayor conocido como el hermano Juan. 775 01:02:05,370 --> 01:02:09,990 Mi oficio es ser chamán y sacerdote negro, que es brujo. 776 01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:16,570 Cuando el paciente viene entrando al consultorio, ya sabemos qué trae de 777 01:02:16,570 --> 01:02:17,570 problema. 778 01:02:18,430 --> 01:02:22,810 Más bien somos como adivino, porque lo traemos de sangre, de genes. 779 01:02:23,330 --> 01:02:26,210 Es un don que traemos, sabemos visualizar bien. 780 01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:31,060 the moment that the person is going through. 781 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:36,260 It's like driving a white line. All the amulets, everything that is of light, 782 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,620 that is a shaman. 783 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:44,240 The black priest is because we have already mixed the sanatism, the dark 784 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,240 rituals. 785 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:54,180 I suffered from alcoholism from the age of 13 to 17, 18 years, more or less. 786 01:02:55,460 --> 01:03:02,160 Yo elegí a él a mis 17 años en mi vida personal porque a mí me sacó de 787 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,880 una adicción que yo padecía, que era alcoholismo. 788 01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:11,960 Le pedí mucho a él y me llegó el momento que dejé de beber. 789 01:03:12,420 --> 01:03:16,980 Para mí fue mi Dios, o ha sido mi Dios, y mi creencia, ¿no? 790 01:03:17,540 --> 01:03:22,380 Pero él es un ángel también, de oscuridad, pero es un ángel. 791 01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:25,560 Que ve por las necesidades del ser humano también. 792 01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:39,940 Hola. Hola, hola. 793 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:41,560 Tome asiento. 794 01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:43,060 Bienvenido. 795 01:03:43,420 --> 01:03:44,480 Igualmente, igualmente. 796 01:03:44,980 --> 01:03:51,800 In the Christian religion, they say that Satan is a negative and evil person. 797 01:03:52,460 --> 01:03:54,620 Why is it that you feel that that's not the case? 798 01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:20,320 So I'm looking for something of an unusual request. I'm looking for someone 799 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,620 put a curse on me. 800 01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:24,440 Is that something that you could do? 801 01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:57,040 What are the potential things that could happen to me once I make this request? 802 01:05:05,550 --> 01:05:11,590 Puede suceder desde un quebranto económico, divorcio, accidentes, pero 803 01:05:11,590 --> 01:05:17,650 lo que quieres vivir, yo te voy a guiar y te voy a presentar con Satán para que 804 01:05:17,650 --> 01:05:21,350 tú puedas pedir y que te cumpla lo que deseas personalmente. 805 01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:22,710 Muchas gracias. 806 01:05:33,130 --> 01:05:38,950 I already have one curse attached to me, but something in my gut is telling me 807 01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:41,330 there's still more to experience. 808 01:05:42,250 --> 01:05:46,310 So tonight, Juan has invited me to a satanic black mass. 809 01:05:47,050 --> 01:05:52,590 I'm told this is the first step in making a pact with the devil. 810 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,900 Buenas noches a todos ustedes. 811 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,200 Bienvenidos. 812 01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,560 Pero sobre todo no estamos aquí por curiosidad. 813 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:17,100 Puedo sentir que a cada uno de ustedes trae ciertas losas en su vida 814 01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:18,100 personal. 815 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,620 Los problemas que nos acechan día a día. 816 01:06:24,060 --> 01:06:27,820 Desde salud, problemas económicos, 817 01:06:29,070 --> 01:06:32,290 Pero para eso estamos aquí, para eso nos dimos cita hasta el día de hoy. 818 01:06:33,710 --> 01:06:37,170 Señor Satan, Lucifer, te doy gracias. 819 01:06:37,770 --> 01:06:39,870 En este momento abrimos este portal. 820 01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:45,730 Pido humildemente para que escuches a cada uno de los visitantes, porque 821 01:06:45,730 --> 01:06:48,310 derecho de tener paz y felicidad y abundancia. 822 01:06:49,210 --> 01:06:50,210 Y así será. 823 01:07:17,740 --> 01:07:22,700 Los invito a cada uno de ustedes a hacer una purificación de cuerpo y alma y 824 01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:23,700 espíritu. 825 01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:28,720 En este momento, Señor Satán, todos tus problemas se han desaparecido. 826 01:07:29,260 --> 01:07:33,640 En este momento, Señor Satán, resuelve todas las angustias y dolores en el 827 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,880 Oh, Señor Satán, que todo lo que llegue en su vida se cumpla. 828 01:07:41,740 --> 01:07:46,360 Presentamos a este hermano que viene de tan lejos por un propósito. 829 01:07:46,810 --> 01:07:48,390 Que tu propósito se cumpla. 830 01:07:48,830 --> 01:07:50,170 Que así sea, hermano. 831 01:07:54,730 --> 01:07:58,770 Que todo dolor sea quebrantado esta noche. 832 01:07:59,430 --> 01:08:03,170 No lo dejes todo, Señor de la oscuridad. 833 01:08:06,270 --> 01:08:11,550 Oh, Señor Satán, no abandones este tu discípulo. 834 01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:14,310 Cúralos con tu poder. 835 01:08:15,740 --> 01:08:17,220 Libera los de todo peligro. 836 01:08:21,060 --> 01:08:23,260 Señor Lucifer, con tu fuego purifica. 837 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:25,840 Purificanos, Padre. 838 01:09:11,020 --> 01:09:14,300 So tonight was pretty intense to see and be a part of. 839 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:19,300 It's hard to talk about the emotion, the sense of the feeling you get, the 840 01:09:19,300 --> 01:09:23,120 energy level that you get when you're in an environment like that. 841 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:29,439 The music, the smoke, the fire, the drums, it's all building up inside of 842 01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,620 and it creates a really powerful energy. 843 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:37,380 And I can see why that puts you in a state of mind that could make you more 844 01:09:37,380 --> 01:09:38,859 susceptible to believing. 845 01:09:39,819 --> 01:09:44,899 Or some would argue that it puts you in a state of mind more open to receive and 846 01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:46,800 to connect with the spirit world. 847 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:54,540 So tonight, in theory, I opened up this dialogue, this conversation with Satan. 848 01:09:55,020 --> 01:09:56,860 But that's just the first part. 849 01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,640 Tomorrow we're going to Satan's cave. 850 01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:05,000 Juan says it's where he has a more powerful and direct connection with the 851 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,000 spirit world. 852 01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:11,700 And there I'm going to enter into a pact with Satan to put this curse upon me. 853 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:18,720 I think how this one is different and how the game has changed is that in this 854 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:23,280 scenario I have to write down exactly what it is I want to occur. 855 01:10:23,940 --> 01:10:29,340 So I'm not asking to test somebody else's power. I'm actually requesting a 856 01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:30,580 upon myself. 857 01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:35,720 I'm entering a pact with Satan to request the negative thing. 858 01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:40,180 An illness, an injury, or even death? 859 01:10:42,260 --> 01:10:47,560 I want to give this a serious attempt at experiencing something supernatural. 860 01:10:48,780 --> 01:10:53,960 But is it supernatural, or am I just using my own mind against myself? 861 01:10:55,460 --> 01:10:58,900 I have to think very carefully about what I write in this pact. 862 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,920 What I'm requesting is so extreme that I don't even want to share it with 863 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:04,920 anyone. 864 01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:10,940 because there may be some very real consequences to what I'm doing and 865 01:11:10,940 --> 01:11:15,240 magical or psychological I guess I'll have to wait and see 866 01:11:58,470 --> 01:12:04,570 Vas a vivir una experiencia de quebranto de tu vida que jamás la has vivido. 867 01:12:05,450 --> 01:12:10,970 En este momento te presento ante el Señor Satán para que pidas la 868 01:12:10,970 --> 01:12:12,750 que quieres vivir. 869 01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:17,890 Si pides un quebranto de tu vida, Él te lo va a cumplir. 870 01:12:18,690 --> 01:12:21,490 Esto es de mucha seriedad, de mucho respeto. 871 01:12:22,770 --> 01:12:26,370 Oh, mi Señor Satán, pido permiso. 872 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:33,560 Y aquí tu discípulo, escucha en este momento su ruego de este 873 01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:38,420 hermano, que ahora pertenece a ti por el momento, no lo abandones. 874 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:40,440 ¿Quieres sentir tu poder? 875 01:12:40,940 --> 01:12:42,780 Él te sirve más vivo que muerto. 876 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:45,240 No lo abandones. 877 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,940 Te viene a pedir para vivir una experiencia de su vida propia. 878 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:56,240 Es una ofrenda que él va a salir de su corazón y él sabe lo que él te prometió. 879 01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:10,220 Satan, this is my request to you and I humbly offer it to you. 880 01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:39,870 Bien. Que así sea, que así va a ser, mi señor. 881 01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:44,130 Que sus propósitos se cumplan de lo que él quiere vivir. 882 01:13:46,270 --> 01:13:47,270 Mi tatán. 883 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,940 Do you see a correlation or any connection between the power of 884 01:14:15,940 --> 01:14:21,640 magic? Certainly after being in Mexico and making that request 885 01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:28,600 on myself, I do wonder if that even took 886 01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:29,880 the dreams up another level. 887 01:14:31,420 --> 01:14:37,440 Certainly I feel the idea of me looking over my shoulder and being more wary of 888 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:38,440 situations. 889 01:14:38,830 --> 01:14:43,950 has definitely ramped up. The feeling that maybe you just need to be a bit 890 01:14:43,950 --> 01:14:45,190 cautious right now. 891 01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:47,370 Do you regret having done it? 892 01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:56,110 I genuinely have one big fear that I may have 893 01:14:56,110 --> 01:14:58,730 done some physical damage to myself. 894 01:14:59,190 --> 01:15:04,790 We know that science has proved things like the placebo and nocebo effect and 895 01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:10,330 our minds can have physical effects on our body when we believe. 896 01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:16,370 My feelings about regret might be different if I was to find out that my 897 01:15:16,370 --> 01:15:19,370 results show up a problem that I didn't have six months ago. 898 01:15:27,310 --> 01:15:31,110 The mountain biking is definitely one of my biggest passions in life. 899 01:15:31,390 --> 01:15:36,550 There really is nothing like getting down the trails, shredding, having fun. 900 01:15:37,530 --> 01:15:42,390 And I've got to admit, since going to New Orleans, getting a car, and then 901 01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:47,470 coming out of the cave in Mexico, it's put me off riding and that's been 902 01:15:47,470 --> 01:15:51,110 me down. So I've decided to put that behind me right now. 903 01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:55,530 I've got to get out on the trails, have some fun, and just stop thinking about 904 01:15:55,530 --> 01:15:56,530 all that stuff, you know? 905 01:16:38,629 --> 01:16:43,970 The hospital x -ray showed nothing was broken, thankfully, but I had a pretty 906 01:16:43,970 --> 01:16:45,530 deep cut that needed stitches. 907 01:16:46,130 --> 01:16:51,310 The swelling to the knee was pretty extensive and took five or six weeks to 908 01:16:51,310 --> 01:16:53,150 and get myself walking properly again. 909 01:16:53,850 --> 01:16:58,050 Even when I tried to get away from it, my mind's haunted by curses. 910 01:16:59,330 --> 01:17:02,390 Where your attention goes, your energy flows. 911 01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,540 and I fear I'm becoming a danger to myself. 912 01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:19,880 What is strange, though, is I checked out the footage from Elias' curse, and 913 01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,380 where he got specific shocked me. 914 01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,640 The Lord shall smite thee in the knees and in the legs. 915 01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:33,660 Is magic real, and if so, where does it come from? 916 01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:41,120 Magic is the fact that you are an animate creature existing currently 917 01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,640 who is conscious enough to ask the question. 918 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:48,820 That is magic. So, yes, magic is as real as that. 919 01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,440 It's not wrong to go out and seek experiences. 920 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,960 There is value in it, but you have to be careful. 921 01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,340 Because all those things are true. 922 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,380 All those things are very, very true. 923 01:18:22,700 --> 01:18:27,320 paranoid all the time even sitting in traffic I keep thinking that every car 924 01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:31,880 going to hit me every time the phone rings I think that something bad has 925 01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:36,200 happened and it's just this constant sense of dread 926 01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:43,080 maybe it's connected to my 927 01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:49,180 lack of sleep but I have this physical feeling that something bad is coming 928 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,580 How long do you want to remain the cursed man? 929 01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:05,640 I think I've had enough. 930 01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,600 Was it the dreams where you said, I've had enough, exactly? 931 01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,100 Or was it the accident or the anxiety? 932 01:19:14,700 --> 01:19:19,180 As the odd little things that are more physical are happening, it's chipping 933 01:19:19,180 --> 01:19:21,660 away at the armor of it's all in your mind. 934 01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:28,740 And I feel like if I don't try and maybe undo this some way, whether or not 935 01:19:28,740 --> 01:19:30,160 magic is real or not, 936 01:19:30,990 --> 01:19:34,870 I might be finding and forming some real negative habits. 937 01:19:35,150 --> 01:19:41,810 So what has stopped you so far from releasing yourself from them? 938 01:19:42,090 --> 01:19:46,130 I don't know whether or not it's going to be as easy to do as just that. 939 01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:53,270 I think now I'm in a tricky position where if I perhaps didn't 940 01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:57,790 believe in magic and yet somehow it's got into my subconscious. 941 01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:03,300 that now I'm actually going to have to believe in order to get myself out of 942 01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:04,300 there. 943 01:20:11,380 --> 01:20:18,140 Despite your warnings, I have found not one, but 944 01:20:18,140 --> 01:20:22,740 two people who were prepared to put a curse on me. 945 01:20:23,380 --> 01:20:26,120 See, this is why they wonder about us, Bruce. They think we're crazy. 946 01:20:26,380 --> 01:20:27,660 I can't imagine why. 947 01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:33,100 And I feel like I'm getting a laundry list of things that are starting to go 948 01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:38,960 wrong. I have brought with me a couple of clips from the things that have been 949 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:39,960 done to me. 950 01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:45,640 We're going to be first tying you to one of these coffin nails. 951 01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:50,400 So some of your hair. The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption and with a 952 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:54,640 fever. with an inflammation and with an extreme burning, and they shall pursue 953 01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:55,900 thee until thou perish. 954 01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:00,080 The Lord shall smite thee in the knees and in the legs, 955 01:21:00,140 --> 01:21:06,560 and he shall put forth a yoke of iron upon thy neck 956 01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,700 until he hath destroyed thee. 957 01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:10,640 Wow. 958 01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:11,920 Damn, dude. 959 01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:15,500 So that was about six months ago now, and there's certainly been some things 960 01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:16,478 happening to me. 961 01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:17,780 Dude, it's not happening in your dreams? 962 01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:21,750 Yeah. that I'm having pretty severe nightmares now, actually. 963 01:21:21,970 --> 01:21:24,110 You haven't lost any limbs or anything since, though, right? 964 01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:26,070 No. 965 01:21:26,350 --> 01:21:31,170 About five, six weeks after that happened to my knee, 966 01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:35,270 I had to have stitches in the knee. 967 01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:38,570 That's nasty. It doesn't stop at the knee, though. It goes on. 968 01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:41,870 If you don't cut this short, this can get really bad. It's going to start to 969 01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:42,870 very physical. 970 01:21:43,150 --> 01:21:49,010 Perhaps I should have stopped there. I found a brujo in Mexico who aligns his 971 01:21:49,010 --> 01:21:50,910 work specifically with Satan. 972 01:21:51,190 --> 01:21:55,650 He told me that I had to write down the request, and I would petition that 973 01:21:55,650 --> 01:21:57,870 request to Satan at a very special place. 974 01:21:58,290 --> 01:22:00,830 I did that. It was bound in blood. 975 01:22:01,190 --> 01:22:03,410 Binding with blood doesn't make it easy to undo. 976 01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:13,770 Satan, 977 01:22:14,890 --> 01:22:20,330 this is my request to you, and I humbly offer it to you, and I thank you for it. 978 01:22:23,670 --> 01:22:29,670 We marked it. 979 01:22:32,670 --> 01:22:39,030 This one is something that you got marked and you got, and you petitioned, 980 01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:43,260 For a life, not just a curse, but this is going to be your life from now on, 981 01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:46,860 basically what I was hearing. The problem here is you're approaching it 982 01:22:46,860 --> 01:22:50,340 party trick, and so therefore that very action is disrespectful. 983 01:22:50,660 --> 01:22:56,320 And for that, you may get a slap or we may have a fight on our hands. To be 984 01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:00,320 honest, just so you know, going into trying to undo this, you're going to 985 01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:05,320 to find faith in this in order to undo it. You're going to be the key to 986 01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:06,320 it. Okay. 987 01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:35,930 Okay, you ready? I am. All right, come with me. 988 01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:40,990 One is thine. 989 01:23:43,330 --> 01:23:44,330 Three for thee. 990 01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:47,410 Nine is mine. 991 01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:55,050 One for the Lamb. 992 01:23:55,790 --> 01:23:56,790 And one for you. 993 01:23:58,910 --> 01:23:59,910 One for thine. 994 01:24:01,810 --> 01:24:05,970 Three for thee, and nine is mine. 995 01:24:06,330 --> 01:24:11,790 And as each person comes in, you're going to give them one coin each. 996 01:24:12,690 --> 01:24:17,630 Three for thee, and nine is mine. 997 01:24:37,049 --> 01:24:38,410 We are 998 01:24:38,410 --> 01:24:46,750 grouped 999 01:24:46,750 --> 01:24:52,610 here together to close contracts for Liam's legitimate reasons. 1000 01:24:52,830 --> 01:24:54,170 I think he was a fool. 1001 01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:56,130 But we're here to undo it. 1002 01:25:01,390 --> 01:25:04,890 I call upon my gods. 1003 01:25:07,050 --> 01:25:11,850 Hear the blood in my veins. Know the oaths I have made on the ancient altars. 1004 01:25:12,530 --> 01:25:18,290 I call to the watchers. Black spirits and white, red spirits and gray. 1005 01:25:18,630 --> 01:25:20,770 Mingle, mingle, mingle who may. 1006 01:25:21,070 --> 01:25:23,150 Tata -ta -ta -ta round and about. 1007 01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:25,590 A world within and a world without. 1008 01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:28,390 A world within and a world without. 1009 01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:32,290 The good stay in and the ill stay out. 1010 01:25:37,580 --> 01:25:40,540 Two curses have been placed upon Liam. 1011 01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:45,080 The first was made to be undone. 1012 01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:50,560 In the service of Liam, I now in this moment 1013 01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:55,460 sever this curse. 1014 01:25:56,340 --> 01:25:57,680 Bow tight. 1015 01:26:09,870 --> 01:26:11,290 Unravel and clean. 1016 01:26:11,690 --> 01:26:12,690 Take it apart. 1017 01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:18,370 Shred it. Get it all broken up. Take the fickle. Cut some threads. Cut the 1018 01:26:18,370 --> 01:26:21,730 fabric. Get it removed, severed. 1019 01:26:23,290 --> 01:26:26,110 Give blessing to the one that served you. 1020 01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:29,410 Know that it has done its job. 1021 01:26:34,410 --> 01:26:38,570 Thank you for giving me this experience, but I'm glad that it ended. This is 1022 01:26:38,570 --> 01:26:40,270 over, and it is done. 1023 01:26:46,930 --> 01:26:48,250 The next one is harder. 1024 01:26:51,290 --> 01:26:52,290 Covent red. 1025 01:27:07,050 --> 01:27:13,810 I call to you, fallen angel, the contract now, he asks, be brought to 1026 01:27:13,810 --> 01:27:14,810 close. 1027 01:27:15,310 --> 01:27:21,790 The knowledge he has gleaned, he knows to be true, and through this work that 1028 01:27:21,790 --> 01:27:28,250 is doing, he will share this knowledge with the world. For this, he asks that 1029 01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:32,710 the recognition of this pact be completed and laid down. 1030 01:27:33,070 --> 01:27:34,330 Look into the mirror. 1031 01:27:34,810 --> 01:27:36,510 And speak to that completion. 1032 01:27:37,770 --> 01:27:39,410 Do you know it to be true, Liam? 1033 01:27:40,150 --> 01:27:41,970 Yes, I know this to be true. 1034 01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:43,850 I recognize the power. 1035 01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:45,830 I have had enough. 1036 01:27:46,290 --> 01:27:47,249 You are ready. 1037 01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:52,550 I am ready. This is completely over. It is done. I am finished with this. 1038 01:27:52,770 --> 01:27:57,550 Do you see that day that you were in that cave and you made this pact? 1039 01:27:58,010 --> 01:27:59,490 Yes. Push. 1040 01:28:00,470 --> 01:28:01,470 Push. 1041 01:28:01,770 --> 01:28:02,870 You feel the pact? 1042 01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:08,140 Yes, I feel it. You see him before you. I can see it, yes. I felt that energy. 1043 01:28:08,300 --> 01:28:09,279 Do you feel it now? 1044 01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,580 I can feel it, yes. Now sever them, tethers. 1045 01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:14,640 Sever them one by one. Rip them to shreds. 1046 01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,820 I have severed these tethers. I have severed these bindings. With honor and 1047 01:28:18,820 --> 01:28:20,520 respect. With honor and respect. 1048 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,380 Feel it, all that is bound in you. Now be bound within that mirror. 1049 01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:26,200 Use your breath. 1050 01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:29,360 Again. 1051 01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:30,560 Roar! 1052 01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,180 Roar! Roar! 1053 01:28:38,060 --> 01:28:39,060 What's that? 1054 01:28:40,180 --> 01:28:41,180 Into it! 1055 01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:42,920 And seal! 1056 01:28:47,060 --> 01:28:48,060 Yes! 1057 01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:52,540 Done? 1058 01:28:54,020 --> 01:28:55,060 Done. Put it in. 1059 01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:57,760 Hands upon the rim of the cauldron. 1060 01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:05,200 That done. 1061 01:29:17,169 --> 01:29:19,490 There is no other contract. 1062 01:29:19,950 --> 01:29:23,650 Everything has been laid down. Now shred this and put it in. 1063 01:29:24,910 --> 01:29:26,190 Contract is done. 1064 01:29:27,950 --> 01:29:31,410 All honor and respect. I return what you gave me. 1065 01:29:48,860 --> 01:29:50,220 Which is, use your eyes. 1066 01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:51,840 Let the sight be true. 1067 01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:55,380 Ah, there it went. 1068 01:29:58,020 --> 01:29:59,020 It's done. 1069 01:30:00,740 --> 01:30:01,740 Everyone okay? 1070 01:30:02,820 --> 01:30:03,820 Done? 1071 01:30:04,060 --> 01:30:05,060 Done, done, and done. 1072 01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,640 Liam, stand up. 1073 01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:12,540 Head bowed, hands out. 1074 01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:16,960 And the root. 1075 01:31:21,390 --> 01:31:25,050 It's been six months since I got cursed. 1076 01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:26,590 Six months? 1077 01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:29,870 I've now been cleansed. How do you feel? 1078 01:31:30,190 --> 01:31:31,650 I'm feeling much better. 1079 01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:32,910 Really? Yeah. 1080 01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:34,730 I'm starting to sleep better. 1081 01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:36,030 That's good. 1082 01:31:36,910 --> 01:31:41,630 This is the one thing I think has been weighing on my mind a little bit. I 1083 01:31:41,630 --> 01:31:48,510 finally got the results from my doctor's checkup, my blood work, and I haven't 1084 01:31:48,510 --> 01:31:49,510 opened it yet. 1085 01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:53,450 I'm a little nervous right now. Are you really? 1086 01:31:53,690 --> 01:31:54,690 Yeah. 1087 01:31:55,870 --> 01:31:59,930 Okay. So we screened for some cancers that are in my family. 1088 01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:11,730 And the screenings are normal. 1089 01:32:12,750 --> 01:32:13,750 That's good. 1090 01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:15,270 So how do you feel? 1091 01:32:16,130 --> 01:32:17,830 I mean, honestly, that's a real relief. 1092 01:32:18,990 --> 01:32:20,230 You were right about that. 1093 01:32:22,809 --> 01:32:25,850 Yeah. I didn't know it was weighing on you that much. 1094 01:32:26,130 --> 01:32:33,090 Yeah, you know, with the dreams and everything, I suddenly felt scared of 1095 01:32:33,090 --> 01:32:37,870 what I might have done and what that would mean for you and us. 1096 01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:41,150 I was beginning to worry that I might have made a big mistake. 1097 01:32:44,630 --> 01:32:45,630 You're okay. 1098 01:32:45,730 --> 01:32:47,250 Yeah, it's all good. 1099 01:32:47,530 --> 01:32:48,530 Yay. 1100 01:32:49,530 --> 01:32:50,530 There's no... 1101 01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:51,669 Nothing bad. 1102 01:32:51,670 --> 01:32:52,670 Good. 1103 01:33:00,590 --> 01:33:05,070 I think magic is definitely real. I don't know if it's quantifiable. That's 1104 01:33:05,070 --> 01:33:07,450 different thing. And then what are we measuring it with? 1105 01:33:10,570 --> 01:33:11,770 demonstrable, it's effective. 1106 01:33:12,290 --> 01:33:16,710 In a way, I almost want to define it the same way I would define culture, like 1107 01:33:16,710 --> 01:33:19,230 that complex whole that makes up a person. 1108 01:33:19,550 --> 01:33:24,310 The root of magic is the ability to wield free will. We use our free will to 1109 01:33:24,310 --> 01:33:28,850 bring about specific change in the future through actions today. 1110 01:33:29,330 --> 01:33:34,390 So our relationship to divine spirits is a lot more dynamic than most people 1111 01:33:34,390 --> 01:33:36,450 have in other religious systems. 1112 01:33:37,740 --> 01:33:40,260 Hay personas que piensan que la brujería es mala. 1113 01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:45,440 Realmente visitar a un chamán es reencontrarte con nuestros miedos. 1114 01:33:45,980 --> 01:33:48,820 ¿Qué hacemos nosotros? Es liberar todo eso. 1115 01:33:49,100 --> 01:33:55,240 De sus miedos, de sus pesadillas, de sus obstáculos negativos. Es cuestión de fe 1116 01:33:55,240 --> 01:34:01,480 nada más. La fe va a contar mucho en el ser humano para que su éxito... Can we 1117 01:34:01,480 --> 01:34:02,480 do what have we? 1118 01:34:02,970 --> 01:34:05,090 Done things that are pretty incredible, absolutely. 1119 01:34:05,410 --> 01:34:09,410 But I don't have a magic wand. I'm not going to fix your life overnight, 1120 01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:12,110 particularly if you're not invested. 1121 01:34:12,410 --> 01:34:17,310 They're not considering their role, their accountability, their 1122 01:34:17,310 --> 01:34:21,250 in the life that's manifesting for them. 1123 01:34:21,690 --> 01:34:27,190 So what would I say to people who think that it's evil? Go back and challenge 1124 01:34:27,190 --> 01:34:31,870 every thought that's been pushed on you as a person. 1125 01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:38,040 Your mind is your reality, and so whatever you decide to let in and what 1126 01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:42,020 decide to let go of will then shape the world around you. 1127 01:34:48,620 --> 01:34:55,240 I went searching for the secrets of magic, and I found that our minds shape 1128 01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:59,780 reality in ways that are perhaps still beyond our understanding. 1129 01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:08,040 Maybe I just want to believe that that kind of sounds like magic to me. 1130 01:37:36,140 --> 01:37:37,140 you 96702

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