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Oh my goodness, Heidi, the one and only, and

Javi.

I got to say goodbye.

Yeah, me too.

Wow. It's been a while. I'm so happy to see you guys. I'm happy to see you too.

It's always a pleasure to have you guys around. Seriously.

Javi, you look different.

When you opened the door, I seriously thought, I was like,

I feel like your face when

you walked out of your house and saw us was like...

I don't even realize when people have these reactions anymore. It takes me a

second to connect with one. Yeah.

You still got it, man. You're still

killing it. You're still killing it.

No, I don't think many guys can support both of you.

You're just like a lucky motherfucker.

Well, my face doesn't have anything to do with that.

You feel like a friend of yours?

Yeah. Oh,

yeah? Thank you.

She's absolutely gorgeous. Oh, my goodness.

You're just something else, Heidi.

I'm glad that you can say that while I'm in my comfort zone.

You guys need to get a room.

We all need a room. We're about to get a room anyway.

Right. I'm going to help a little bit with that.

Help us out a little bit. That's right. Just a little bit of help.

And a lot of pleasure.

Right. So, I got to ask, guys.

How's it going?

How's everything with the lifestyle?

Oh, my gosh.

Shoot. Everything with the lifestyle?

I thought it was been, I mean, incredible, honestly.

I really don't have any other, I feel like, feelings. And I

might have mentioned this before, but when I got into the lifestyle, I felt

getting into it, and I might have mentioned this before, but getting into

you know, Jerry and I are from a very conservative area in Tennessee.

There's absolutely, like...

much diversity and where we're from and so we really didn't have any kind of

experiences I mean whether with diverse people or cultures or even just

jumping into the lifestyle I mean so it was very for me it was very I

knew I liked it and I knew that I wanted to be a part of it but I it was still

very intimidating to me so I couldn't imagine

I don't know, I just couldn't imagine how other people might feel. Like, kind

of, how do you bring that up to your partner that you might want to jump

but you don't know how they're going to receive what you want, you know? And I

think that it worked out with us perfectly because Gary didn't just come

and say, hey, I want to see fuck a BBC, you know? I mean, I feel like it was

like we watched porn together and we...

Kind of explore, like, well, what do you like?

And then it kind of progressed and matured from there. And then eventually

day he was like, I think it would be hard to watch you with another guy.

And I initially was like, what if he's just telling me that to try to, like,

fuck somebody up?

I mean, it wasn't, it's not that I thought that about you, but I thought,

if? I don't think that's unfair.

to gather from that. Or a question to have.

I don't think I'll jump to any conclusion. I'll definitely ask that

own head.

Exactly. Just like you said, the last three years have been such an

incredible experience.

You guys are still thriving.

and virtually driving in a positive way, right?

Absolutely. So I'm definitely really happy for you guys. Oh, thank you.

And I'm always, always happy to see you guys. Hell yeah.

We're just as happy to be here.

I feel like, and that's the thing about the lifestyle is it's broad.

I mean, that's how we met you. Yeah. And our friendship has been amazing. We've

done a lot of really fun, cool stuff, had great adventures together, and

never been any hard feelings, or even to me, there's not been any awkward

situations. Not that that doesn't happen in the lifestyle, because it does,

but... We're just lucky.

I feel like we've been very lucky. And I feel like our experiences...

In the lifestyle and us making kind of a, we had a discussion before we ever

anything, you know, is at any point either party feels any kind of way

good about it. We can just say the word and we will get out of it and there will

be no questions asked by either party. You know, like you feel safe in saying I

don't feel good or whatever.

100%.

Um, one, another question.

Um, so, how comfortable are you guys getting now in the cup holding scenario?

That's a good question. That's one that I feel like a lot of people have

wondered. Um, for me, I feel like getting

into the cup holding stuff, so, I guess as it started,

between us, everybody's journey is different.

But for us, it was kind of, we wanted to do like the sad vixen type, like he

wants to kind of just be a warrior and watch and not really even participate,

but just kind of be there, maybe be in the room or even be standing from

and watching.

That's how it started.

And then when we started trying to meet with other people,

It feels like every other couple, if you're not a single male, all the other

couples it felt like were very strict, which is completely fine, but I just

like the males don't tend to be as comfortable maybe in their sexuality,

that might be an unfair statement to make, but that's how I felt.

And we didn't think that was even hot cuckolding. I feel like at first we

didn't. In that sense, especially like the humiliation component.

And, but of course, as we continue to have these experiences and grow more

comfortable, I feel like Jerry's been a lot, very open and very, you know,

understanding and just kind of leaned into it with me. And we both leaned into

it together. And now I feel like, I mean, that's to me. He's invested more

Yeah, it's one of the most.

Fun experiences that I've had with him here, you know. Exactly, too. It's very

cool. It's super hot. Yeah. It's a super arrived factor to it. And Jerry, what

would you say about that?

What's your take on that? Yeah, honey. Well,

first I would say that she's definitely right about the other subject

beforehand, the acceptance and where we came from.

Probably not even as much as she said.

Probably even less than that.

The other thing about the cuckolding question would be that initially I would

say if we didn't like cuckolding, it was because we didn't understand it. Yes,

yes. I would say that I probably would have liked or both would have liked

cuckolding as a term more when we first started if it didn't. Because when you

type that in, it tends to be really extreme stuff. Extreme.

Like, girl walking in there and her husband on a leash.

Which is fine, yeah.

But that's a step that some people might have to work up to.

Or might not ever get to, which is cool, too.

I feel like I've gone from, if step one was there, I've come a long way.

But, you know, I don't know.

It's been a journey. It's been a journey. I would say it's a lot more

comfortable being in that position of walking.

I mean, literally. And I think it's just the erotic factor in all of that,

right? It's hard to see something that, like, to see something that you like or

that you treasure being pleasured. Like, I don't need feeling happy. So, like,

it brings you that satisfaction also in return.

of also the visualized aspect of it.

Intimacy, too. Yeah, it's very, very raw. It's super hot to be all together

being in each party is able to get something out of it in a positive way

and in a very sexual way.

It's really cool.

Well, I think it's been fun and it's been all good experiences, but I think

not only love for the people that we've met, And for them not being forceful

and, you know, wanting one thing or the other or whatever.

Judgmental. Yeah. Any of that. All of the above. That's right.

Here's another question for you guys. Okay.

I think it's more toward Heidi. So, what really got you into BBC?

Oh, gosh, I'm glad you asked. That's a really good question.

And that's one, too, I feel like I get asked all the time.

So I think, again, in healthcare terms,

multifactorial etiology or multifactorial, you know, there's

to what got me into BBC.

And initially, well,

I wouldn't even say initially. So, like, growing up again, grew up in a super

-duper conservative, almost strictly white area.

There's a lot of that negative stigma that surrounds you. Yeah, yeah. That

people need to grow up around. And so you started from that point on.

Yeah, like, I feel like, I mean, not that my parents said this to me, but I

like I almost grew up to think.

Oh, you're not supposed to, like, have sex with people that have different skin

colors. Which is so crazy. But that's literally how I felt like it was.

Yeah. And so that was that. And then, of course, I met Jerry. And we fell in

love and got married. And that was all, of course, before the lifestyle.

And then once we decided to actually jump into the lifestyle.

We literally fell ass backwards into it.

I just was turned on by it, and I always thought it would be really hot to see

someone else take control of half her.

Because it's really wrong.

And that's exactly where the other fetish comes from. The BBC thing that

talking about.

Because it's this thing that you're not supposed to have. It's the apple you're

not supposed to eat. You weren't drawn to it, though.

Because it's taboo.

Yeah, it's taboo.

Back in the earlier days, obese people were very appealing,

super attractive.

And now it's the opposite.

They create a different stigma.

Right. Whatever is the rarity, it seems like what we tend to have.

gravitate to I agree with that so we made a decision we had kind of started

experimenting watching porn together and talking to each other very lightly

about things that turned us on and again you know keeping in mind that we grew

up very conservatively that was kind of that by itself to me was kind of the

jump out of comfort the comfort zone but in a good way exactly and I think we

both

it helped us grow together just that much.

And then once he approached me and said, hey, you know, I feel like I'd like to

watch you with somebody and kind of helped me out for how I received that.

we're basically just sending each other like these sexy gifts back and forth

while we were working.

I remember that. I was a brewer. I do too.

I do too.

Yeah. There's no jealousy aspect to it too.

Like you cannot be a jealous person.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, you can't be a jealous person to be with somebody like her. You can't.

You go to the wall.

I'm telling you, man, if I didn't laugh at it, I would be in jail all the time.

But my point is, you know, you can't. That would be one of my biggest things

I were somebody trying to get into this lifestyle or was curious about it.

As a guy's perspective, coming from a man's perspective, you have to be okay

with letting go of her for that little amount of time or whatever. And if you

can't enjoy that, it's not for you. It's not for you. It's true. If you go to

Walmart and the person looking at your significant other...

If that bothers you or gets under your skin, an amount that it's hard for you

control, I think everybody has a little bit of jealousy.

Nobody wants. Everybody wants their own, you know. Right. It's a feeling.

Right. But I think that people, certain people can control it better than

others. And if it's something that just turns, you know, you in fire when it

happens, it's not for you. We all write it differently.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean, it's like.

The brain works completely differently depending on the individual.

Yeah. So that factor as well, some people are able to handle jealousy

from a different angle than the majority of the population.

Right. So, you know, it's something that you are able to enjoy instead of feel

mad and enraged about. And in return, you get, you know.

you get to let her also have fun in the process.

Absolutely. Your first experience, I think, is going to make or break,

Absolutely. It could.

Hopefully not.

Right. You know, but I think it has a strong potential.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I do think it does carry that risk. You know, and that's

thing about the last call is you're taking a big risk, but you're also

potentially going to have an even bigger reward.

Exactly. Exactly.

So it's a gamble.

And he's like, you know, are you ready for this? Like, are you actually ready

meet someone else and take this next step?

And I was like,

I mean, I kind of feel like they're not offering me anything that my marriage is

not offering me.

Jeremiah's handsome. He's fit. He's hung.

I mean. I found him. I found him.

But that's when, and I think it might have even been your idea, like, well,

about if we, like, extend our reach, and maybe, like, let's just target, you

know, like, put that in the question, like, are there interracial, like,

we did, I think maybe we had started watching some interracial porn, maybe.

I think that's exactly right. But it was the perfect, like, recipe, like, I was

kind of questioning things, like, you know, it's really going to be great.

Yeah, and then...

does this guy really, or is he going to let me do this? I feel like that

would be logical things for any human mind to go through because unfortunately

today it's a rare thing for non -monogamous relationships.

I think that it's become the staple that isn't necessarily something that's in

our genes.

To be monogamous? To be monogamous.

Especially for men.

Oh yeah, for men it's all laughing.

You know, you're trying to spread your seed as far in line as you can, you

But I guess I'm just saying it's, I think it's more natural that people give

credit. Yeah.

Exactly.

But going back to your question.

So those were the questions I had. Like, you know, is this going to be worth it

for me to just step outside of the marriage for something that I feel like

already got?

And that's when we kind of started watching the interracial stuff, and he

suggested, well, what about if we extend that reach?

And that's when we met the first guy, and he was very experienced in the

lifestyle. I mean, he was like 20 years older than me, I think.

But he looked good, and he was so damn respectful.

but also, like, naughty.

But he always makes sure to include Jeremiah, even if...

even if Jeremiah wasn't there, you know, like later on, hey, how are you doing?

Just checking in, you know, just little stuff like you do.

And that to me was like, okay, this is a good guy. Like he's not just trying to

come in and fuck shit up. No.

This is like rule.

Yeah, there's no rule.

You've got to navigate it yourself.

Yeah, we got really lucky in that.

Going about it that way was reassuring to me. Exactly. It wasn't something that

was necessary for him to contact me and make me feel better. Yeah. But it did.

Him texting me and including me. Yeah. Even if I wasn't going to be there with

him. Thinking about that aspect of it. Exactly.

That contact was huge. All right.

I think that it's a, all of that led to

you even appreciating more like the clone trials.

Yeah. the size and the I don't know just like that difference

and it was more even right and I think that's what also makes a black male want

to be with a white woman because of all of those elements too so it's very right

not only the fact that he's offered someone beautiful but also all those

elements in total so in that

I don't think that's anything to be ashamed of either, because it's not

fault what environment you grew up in, you know what I mean? Absolutely.

And I think that, I don't know, I just think that... I think that that's one

thing about the lockdown is that I think a lot of people have that thing. Yeah.

Absolutely. That's good. That's awesome.

That's good.

It's a good community to be in. It really is.

As long as there's no drama.

Right, right.

Everybody looks out for each other. Exactly.

How does it feel to be a hotline? A hotline?

Oh, that's a good question.

How do I answer that?

So, sometimes it feels very surreal because...

I'm just a regular ass person.

At the end of the day, I work a full -time job and I pay my taxes and we have

our mortgage payment.

But also, too, we have this, like, what feels like an alternate life.

Yeah, like a whole alternate persona.

Even though it's us and we still act like ourselves. But to me, like, we're

already taking it.

big risk and we're happy you know we jumped in we took the risk together and

we're happy and it's been nothing but good and it brought us even closer

together we've met amazing people along the way in

all of these making these decisions

probably brought you more happiness and knowing that it doesn't affect

you what other people think right like yeah yeah i mean and i think too

as a couple and and where we were kind of raised the thing that helped us that

was a huge growth that happened in our relationship like for the first time i

feel like at least in my life i'm gonna do this thing that makes me happy no

matter what

judgment I get or what other people say about me. Like, I'm going to make this

decision for myself and stick to it because it makes me happy. And it

us together.

Perfect. And it made us happy together.

You know what? I love interviewing you guys. We did a long -ass interview.

But it was super fun.

That was a badass interview.

People love to know.

You know, about, you know, the fans and stuff.

I love to do things with people that I create with and stuff like that. And you

guys are my friends. And I love making, you know, getting to know you guys and

also the fans get to know you. Yeah. It was cool interviewing you guys. Now,

talking about you guys being here.

I was telling you guys to get a room.

Because we were looking at each other like.

Two pieces of, you know, yummy, yummy, right?

Yummy, yummy.

And then I was saying... You still have that, you know?

Yeah. I haven't even been in the interview, so I'm going to... Yeah, get

here.

Oh, it's so good to see you.

So I was saying that since you guys were looking at each other, yummy, yummy, I

told you guys to get a room.

Which I happen to have.

Oh, I think JD might be thinking about some extracurricular activities.

Well, I was thinking.

I think I have a pretty good idea.

You think we should play now?

He's like,

I'm not trying to waste your time.

Let me give you this idea.

What I was thinking was, well, at least I got a room.

You guys can get it, and I will be happy to help.

Ooh, calm down. Are you down, babe?

Very down. Very down.

Ooh, all right.

Every time, I absolutely start.

Oh, my God.

Thank you. Oh,

my God. And to make you feel any better, I cherish her every day. Aw.

I can't believe you.

Oh, believe me.

Establishing anything is difficult.

Oh, my God. I love it. Well, let me get changed then. Okay, let's do this. All

right.

So,

I've got my PJs on.

Oh, my God. Thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, thank you, I am.

This, um, this little, I don't know, I was going to say world, but really it's

more of a church.

It's still, like, it's still, come on, fill it.

Mmm.

Wow, that's good.

Under that filthy rug. Yeah, you want to see what's under it?

Mmm.

Mmm.

So... You know how you said that you would help us out earlier?

I was thinking maybe we could do that.

Now, what do you think?

How do you think I can help you?

I think you just take these down a little bit.

We are alright.

We're not supposed to be here.

Yeah, fuck you really did. Are you? Fuck.

No,

it's perfect.

I feel a lot of rain.

Right? Like, it's so loud.

Yeah, I think it's sexy.

Yeah. It's so cute. Oh my god, thank you. It's fucking gorgeous.

Yeah,

I think it would be hot to fucking move a little bit from your door.

What is the lineup?

The Power Hour.

Yeah, that's what I need.

I hope you don't mind, but I

asked him if he would like to help us out with what we were doing earlier.

I don't want me anymore after this.

We'll see about that.

Oh, my God.

Are you okay?

Are you okay?

Are you okay?

You're not on me.

Oh my god.

I don't know if this is going to be able to handle it.

Okay.

um um

Getting that pussy ready for me?

I feel so good.

That really killed me.

Thank you.

It's really, really beautiful.

I think you'll like it too.

I do.

Bye.

Oh, look at that.

um um

Do you want to come on up, baby?

Fuuu -

it out.

I don't like it. I don't like it.

Oh.

I love

it.

You did

a

great job.

You got it nice and wet.

It's absolutely my pleasure.

It's stretching my pussy out so much.

I love fucking your wife.

I really love fucking your wife.

She's so sexy taking these big dicks.

But I love it.

Where did that go?

Oh, my God.

Fuck.

Oh,

thank you, baby.

Oh, my God.

Thank you.

Oh, fuck.

Oh, this looks great.

Oh, my God. I love it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Me too. I like it when mommy's out with me.

Fuck yeah.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god. It's so good, babe.

I'm not gonna fit in there.

No, it's just gonna fall out.

Fuck yeah.

Yeah.

Oh.

Fuck yeah.

I can't.

That's true.