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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:15,655 --> 00:00:19,793 Take this thing on, uh, homosexuality. 4 00:00:19,896 --> 00:00:21,896 I think the view we take here 5 00:00:21,965 --> 00:00:24,793 is that there's no place for the state 6 00:00:24,896 --> 00:00:26,896 in the bedrooms of the nation. 7 00:00:34,137 --> 00:00:36,103 I think for those of us 8 00:00:36,241 --> 00:00:39,517 who grew up in the '50s and '60s, 9 00:00:39,620 --> 00:00:43,620 it's hard to communicate what it was like 10 00:00:43,724 --> 00:00:45,103 to begin to suspect 11 00:00:45,206 --> 00:00:49,620 that you might be part of this category of subhumans 12 00:00:49,758 --> 00:00:52,103 that was really the most shameful, 13 00:00:52,206 --> 00:00:57,620 disgusting kind of thing that anybody could possibly be. 14 00:01:00,827 --> 00:01:03,034 We were invisible. 15 00:01:04,310 --> 00:01:07,827 The straight world wanted us to be invisible. 16 00:01:13,379 --> 00:01:15,620 Being gay was an abomination. 17 00:01:15,724 --> 00:01:17,034 It was a sin. 18 00:01:17,172 --> 00:01:20,103 It was a form of spiritual corruption. 19 00:01:22,724 --> 00:01:24,896 We paraded in secret. 20 00:01:27,965 --> 00:01:29,724 And then we were paraded... 21 00:01:30,758 --> 00:01:34,965 through prison corridors and the courts. 22 00:01:35,034 --> 00:01:37,758 Homosexuality was essentially illegal. 23 00:01:38,793 --> 00:01:42,965 You could get 8 years in prison or a mental institution. 24 00:01:45,137 --> 00:01:48,758 Fascists! 25 00:01:51,862 --> 00:01:55,862 We have crucial moments where the state would attack us. 26 00:01:55,965 --> 00:01:58,896 Gay rights now! Gay rights now! 27 00:01:59,034 --> 00:02:01,931 We were forced to respond. There was no choice. 28 00:02:03,172 --> 00:02:07,137 Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! 29 00:02:08,896 --> 00:02:10,793 As young activists, we had a vision. 30 00:02:10,896 --> 00:02:14,137 We wanted a world that was free of homophobia. 31 00:02:15,724 --> 00:02:17,620 It's just a really beautiful thing 32 00:02:17,724 --> 00:02:20,793 to think about the idea of all of the people 33 00:02:20,931 --> 00:02:24,275 who have stepped off of the sidewalk and into the road. 34 00:02:31,862 --> 00:02:34,586 This is that genealogy of resistance. 35 00:03:00,793 --> 00:03:02,896 I worked really hard at not recognizing 36 00:03:02,965 --> 00:03:05,172 that I was attracted to people of my same sex 37 00:03:05,310 --> 00:03:06,655 for a long, long time, 38 00:03:06,793 --> 00:03:08,137 even though at a certain level, 39 00:03:08,241 --> 00:03:10,137 I think I knew it. 40 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,655 I remember the song Downtown. 41 00:03:18,034 --> 00:03:19,655 And hearing that in Beaverton. 42 00:03:19,758 --> 00:03:21,206 And, like, Beaverton had a downtown. 43 00:03:21,310 --> 00:03:25,103 It was the IGA, the post office and the drugstore, right? 44 00:03:25,172 --> 00:03:26,068 That was the downtown. 45 00:03:26,137 --> 00:03:28,034 But this idea that there might be this place 46 00:03:28,172 --> 00:03:31,034 where you could go downtown where you could be different. 47 00:03:32,793 --> 00:03:36,034 I wanted to go downtown but didn't know why. 48 00:03:36,172 --> 00:03:39,931 ♪ When you're alone and life is making you lonely ♪ 49 00:03:40,034 --> 00:03:43,965 ♪ You can always go downtown ♪ 50 00:03:45,793 --> 00:03:48,655 Toronto is a very gay city. 51 00:03:48,793 --> 00:03:51,275 Yonge Street just seemed to be 52 00:03:51,379 --> 00:03:53,965 one of the gayest streets in the world. 53 00:03:54,103 --> 00:03:56,000 ♪ Downtown ♪ 54 00:03:56,103 --> 00:03:59,689 ♪ Just listen to the music, all the traffic in the city ♪ 55 00:03:59,793 --> 00:04:01,758 ♪ Linger on the sidewalk ♪ 56 00:04:01,896 --> 00:04:03,862 ♪ All the neon signs are pretty ♪ 57 00:04:03,965 --> 00:04:05,896 Going back to the 1950s, 58 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,724 bars in Toronto hosted these drag balls for Halloween. 59 00:04:09,862 --> 00:04:12,793 So on Halloween night, they would host these events, 60 00:04:12,896 --> 00:04:15,379 these pageants where drag queens would show up. 61 00:04:15,517 --> 00:04:16,689 They would be judged. 62 00:04:16,793 --> 00:04:18,172 They would win awards and prizes. 63 00:04:18,241 --> 00:04:22,896 And it was just sort of this celebratory kind of atmosphere. 64 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,344 One of the big reasons is because it was the only day 65 00:04:26,413 --> 00:04:29,137 that, legally, you could get dressed up. 66 00:04:29,206 --> 00:04:30,793 Halloween. 67 00:04:30,896 --> 00:04:32,413 So we would... 68 00:04:32,551 --> 00:04:34,862 That's when we really pushed it. 69 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,034 The hot spot was St. Charles Tavern. 70 00:04:41,241 --> 00:04:42,793 By the 1970s, 71 00:04:42,896 --> 00:04:46,310 the drag balls attracted a more hostile crowd. 72 00:04:46,379 --> 00:04:48,310 Holy mackerel! 73 00:04:48,379 --> 00:04:50,034 Look at that! 74 00:04:50,137 --> 00:04:52,034 It was a very brave thing to do. 75 00:04:52,137 --> 00:04:55,310 You know, drag queens were at the sharp end, even back then. 76 00:04:55,379 --> 00:04:59,931 But there was a kind of great defiance and bravery. 77 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,137 They didn't care. You know, ink, egg, spit... 78 00:05:07,275 --> 00:05:11,034 The woman came running up to me as I'm going in, 79 00:05:11,137 --> 00:05:13,275 spit on me like a truck driver. 80 00:05:13,379 --> 00:05:15,551 "Fucking faggot!" 81 00:05:18,862 --> 00:05:22,206 And the police would stand there: "Get that one! 82 00:05:22,310 --> 00:05:23,965 You missed that one!" 83 00:05:24,068 --> 00:05:25,103 Laughing. 84 00:05:30,103 --> 00:05:34,793 It's comforting to know that there were people before. 85 00:05:34,896 --> 00:05:38,482 Yeah, they paved the way for people like me, 86 00:05:38,586 --> 00:05:41,310 as Michelle Ross did and others. 87 00:05:53,275 --> 00:05:55,827 "Who's that amazing woman on stage?" 88 00:05:55,931 --> 00:05:58,862 And of course, it was a drag queen. 89 00:05:58,965 --> 00:06:01,000 But impeccable and flawless. 90 00:06:01,103 --> 00:06:02,965 And this was Michelle Ross. 91 00:06:03,034 --> 00:06:04,931 Michelle Ross, 92 00:06:05,034 --> 00:06:10,517 a legendary Black queer Canadian of Jamaican heritage. 93 00:06:10,655 --> 00:06:13,068 When you walked into a club on Yonge Street 94 00:06:13,172 --> 00:06:15,206 where Michelle was performing, 95 00:06:15,310 --> 00:06:19,172 you knew that a particular kind of Black life 96 00:06:19,275 --> 00:06:20,965 was being made present. 97 00:06:22,034 --> 00:06:24,482 The majesty of her gowns. 98 00:06:27,275 --> 00:06:30,206 I feel grateful when I see those photographs, 99 00:06:30,344 --> 00:06:34,482 and I also feel like those people need to be honoured and remembered 100 00:06:34,586 --> 00:06:37,137 because they were trailblazers. 101 00:06:42,344 --> 00:06:44,482 We made a point. 102 00:06:44,551 --> 00:06:47,275 "We're here, we're queer. 103 00:06:47,344 --> 00:06:49,413 We're in your face." 104 00:07:02,448 --> 00:07:06,448 My name is Jeanine Maes. I'm 83 years old. 105 00:07:06,551 --> 00:07:09,275 I am one of the last women 106 00:07:09,379 --> 00:07:13,413 that was locked up in a psychiatric hospital 107 00:07:13,517 --> 00:07:15,931 for lesbianism. 108 00:07:16,034 --> 00:07:19,413 It happened in Saint-Jean-de-Dieu 109 00:07:19,517 --> 00:07:23,482 in Montréal 1962. 110 00:07:25,586 --> 00:07:28,379 The door closed behind me. 111 00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:30,758 I saw the bars on the windows. 112 00:07:30,827 --> 00:07:34,448 My husband and my psychiatrist decided they were going to cure me. 113 00:07:34,551 --> 00:07:40,620 Because at that time, being homosexual wasn't just illegal, 114 00:07:40,724 --> 00:07:44,000 it was considered a mental illness. 115 00:07:46,448 --> 00:07:51,655 They didn't have a lesbian wing, so they sent me to the schizophrenic wing. 116 00:07:51,793 --> 00:07:55,448 And that's when the nightmare began. 117 00:07:57,482 --> 00:08:03,517 Every day, except on weekends, I had to see my psychiatrist. 118 00:08:03,655 --> 00:08:06,517 He was looking for the problem in my head. 119 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:08,827 But that's not all. 120 00:08:08,931 --> 00:08:15,172 The gynecologists were looking for the problem in my vagina. 121 00:08:15,241 --> 00:08:19,896 They were both looking for what was wrong, but nothing was wrong. 122 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,172 I was very comfortable in my skin. 123 00:08:22,275 --> 00:08:25,137 I had discovered I was a lesbian, that I liked women. 124 00:08:25,206 --> 00:08:29,344 I didn't understand their attitude at all. 125 00:08:31,241 --> 00:08:34,896 And that was the second blow: she never came back. 126 00:08:35,034 --> 00:08:38,034 He stole my daughter and gave her to his mother, 127 00:08:38,137 --> 00:08:40,344 because for him, she was his child. 128 00:08:40,448 --> 00:08:44,482 He didn't want her to be raised by lesbians. 129 00:08:44,551 --> 00:08:47,586 So he gave her to his mother in France. 130 00:08:47,689 --> 00:08:52,413 I told him I wouldn't let that happen, I'd take him to court. 131 00:08:52,482 --> 00:08:54,379 She was my child. 132 00:08:54,482 --> 00:08:58,689 I went to see three different lawyers. 133 00:08:58,793 --> 00:09:00,689 They all said the same thing: 134 00:09:00,793 --> 00:09:04,551 Don't try it, it'll cost a fortune, and it won't work. 135 00:09:04,655 --> 00:09:06,689 You won't get her back. 136 00:09:06,793 --> 00:09:10,344 Because you're a lesbian, and she's a girl. 137 00:09:22,517 --> 00:09:26,724 The view we take here is that there's no place for the state 138 00:09:26,827 --> 00:09:29,103 in the bedrooms of the nation. 139 00:09:29,241 --> 00:09:30,448 And I think that, you know, 140 00:09:30,586 --> 00:09:32,482 what's done in private between adults 141 00:09:32,586 --> 00:09:34,310 doesn't concern the criminal code. 142 00:09:34,413 --> 00:09:37,379 When it becomes public, this is a different matter. 143 00:09:37,448 --> 00:09:38,620 In December 1967, 144 00:09:38,724 --> 00:09:43,172 Pierre Elliot Trudeau's government introduced this bill 145 00:09:43,275 --> 00:09:44,551 that has been labelled 146 00:09:44,655 --> 00:09:47,551 the decriminalization of homosexuality in Canada. 147 00:09:47,620 --> 00:09:50,586 What it actually did was to say that 148 00:09:50,689 --> 00:09:55,310 if two people, both of whom were over 21, 149 00:09:55,379 --> 00:09:57,103 had sex... 150 00:09:58,241 --> 00:10:00,758 in private and nobody saw it, 151 00:10:00,862 --> 00:10:03,551 then the police wouldn't arrest you 152 00:10:03,655 --> 00:10:05,068 and you wouldn't go to jail. 153 00:10:05,206 --> 00:10:07,517 You won't be charged criminally 154 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:09,724 for gross indecency or buggery 155 00:10:09,827 --> 00:10:12,206 as long as there's only two of you 156 00:10:12,275 --> 00:10:14,344 and it's in private, right? 157 00:10:14,413 --> 00:10:19,275 Well, I was 17, and so I would have been a criminal. 158 00:10:19,413 --> 00:10:21,793 It didn't deal with any kind of civil rights. 159 00:10:21,931 --> 00:10:24,482 I mean, you could still be fired from your job, 160 00:10:24,586 --> 00:10:26,275 thrown out of your apartment, 161 00:10:26,379 --> 00:10:28,758 refused service in a restaurant if you wanted 162 00:10:28,862 --> 00:10:31,275 if they thought that you looked gay, right? 163 00:10:38,689 --> 00:10:41,482 But I think that Bill C-150 164 00:10:41,586 --> 00:10:46,413 actually dramatically changed the conversation. 165 00:10:47,448 --> 00:10:50,758 From something that was the love that dare not speak its name, 166 00:10:50,862 --> 00:10:53,517 it suddenly became something everybody had to talk about. 167 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:54,793 It was on television. 168 00:11:01,655 --> 00:11:04,620 At first it was very hard for me. 169 00:11:05,689 --> 00:11:08,310 Because so many people were against me. 170 00:11:08,448 --> 00:11:10,724 I developed a guilt complex. 171 00:11:11,931 --> 00:11:13,827 They told me I was bestial. 172 00:11:13,931 --> 00:11:17,517 That two women having sex was disgusting. 173 00:11:17,655 --> 00:11:23,379 Heterosexuals would often insult me loudly, to my face, in public. 174 00:11:23,482 --> 00:11:24,965 It was really awful. 175 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,241 At that point, I got depressed. 176 00:11:28,310 --> 00:11:32,344 I was the first who dared say, 177 00:11:32,482 --> 00:11:35,482 officially and on television, 178 00:11:35,586 --> 00:11:40,655 that I was a lesbian and why I was a lesbian. 179 00:11:41,793 --> 00:11:43,310 Are you abnormal? 180 00:11:43,413 --> 00:11:47,413 I don't consider myself abnormal, not at all. Not at all. 181 00:11:47,517 --> 00:11:49,172 I am like everyone else. 182 00:11:50,241 --> 00:11:52,862 Of course, I wasn't cured. I hadn't changed. 183 00:11:52,965 --> 00:11:57,793 Rather, I was absolutely convinced that this was the life I wanted to lead. 184 00:11:57,931 --> 00:12:03,413 I think I was queer from birth, 185 00:12:03,551 --> 00:12:09,206 in that, you know, like, I was a sissy. 186 00:12:09,310 --> 00:12:11,689 I loved dressing up in my mom's clothes. 187 00:12:11,793 --> 00:12:13,724 In fact, one of my earliest memories 188 00:12:13,862 --> 00:12:15,724 is wearing my cousin's wedding dress. 189 00:12:15,827 --> 00:12:17,344 My father worked all the time. 190 00:12:17,448 --> 00:12:18,551 In the evening, 191 00:12:18,655 --> 00:12:20,793 he would come home and go and sit on the back porch, 192 00:12:20,896 --> 00:12:22,241 and it was my duty to bring him 193 00:12:22,379 --> 00:12:23,758 what was called "the evening news," 194 00:12:23,862 --> 00:12:25,482 which was the evening paper. 195 00:12:25,586 --> 00:12:29,551 And I remember reading about gay activists in 1969 196 00:12:29,689 --> 00:12:31,689 and the Stonewall riots then, 197 00:12:31,827 --> 00:12:34,517 and thinking somehow, that was me. 198 00:12:34,586 --> 00:12:36,931 Gay, gay all the way! 199 00:12:38,931 --> 00:12:42,758 Think of those early organizations were called Gay Liberation Fronts. 200 00:12:42,862 --> 00:12:44,206 That was named after 201 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:46,379 the National Liberation Front in Vietnam. 202 00:12:46,482 --> 00:12:48,482 We had women's liberation, 203 00:12:48,551 --> 00:12:51,724 Black liberation, Chicano liberation. 204 00:12:52,758 --> 00:12:56,689 And we saw ourselves part of a much broader movement 205 00:12:56,793 --> 00:13:00,827 for deep social change. 206 00:13:10,551 --> 00:13:15,655 We were overwhelmingly male, overwhelmingly white. 207 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,586 So it was kind of a working class or middle class 208 00:13:21,689 --> 00:13:25,241 upwardly mobile group of young white men 209 00:13:25,344 --> 00:13:29,034 who felt that we were going to change the world. 210 00:13:36,724 --> 00:13:40,931 Gay liberation, for me, was the place where 211 00:13:41,034 --> 00:13:46,620 I could express the truth about my sexuality. 212 00:13:47,724 --> 00:13:50,551 Discrimination became more a reality 213 00:13:50,620 --> 00:13:55,413 as gay people emerged from the closet in larger numbers. 214 00:13:56,896 --> 00:14:01,310 And we wanted to organize people 215 00:14:01,413 --> 00:14:04,724 in opposition to that discrimination, 216 00:14:04,827 --> 00:14:08,344 in part to bring them out in even greater numbers, 217 00:14:08,482 --> 00:14:10,896 knowing that that was a necessary precondition 218 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,000 for the creation of the gay community. 219 00:14:17,827 --> 00:14:22,965 In 1971, Toronto Gay Action decided 220 00:14:23,034 --> 00:14:28,551 to organize the first national protest march in Ottawa... 221 00:14:29,586 --> 00:14:34,000 and to, as the substance of the march, 222 00:14:34,068 --> 00:14:38,310 to write a document listing all of our grievances 223 00:14:38,413 --> 00:14:40,758 against the federal government. 224 00:14:42,827 --> 00:14:47,586 When you're attempting to build a political movement, 225 00:14:47,689 --> 00:14:50,448 you have to get your act together 226 00:14:50,551 --> 00:14:52,655 and spell everything out. 227 00:14:52,758 --> 00:14:56,689 One of the beauties of the We Demand document 228 00:14:56,793 --> 00:15:00,310 is that we saw it as so incredibly utopian. 229 00:15:00,413 --> 00:15:02,724 We didn't think we had a hope in hell 230 00:15:02,827 --> 00:15:05,137 of ever winning any of those demands. 231 00:15:17,413 --> 00:15:20,724 I made a lot of the signs, you know. 232 00:15:20,793 --> 00:15:25,482 But we didn't know much about making protest signs 233 00:15:25,586 --> 00:15:28,586 that would survive rainstorms. 234 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,551 So I think about 50% of them disintegrated almost instantly. 235 00:15:39,103 --> 00:15:44,586 I mean, I was running around trying to take photos, 236 00:15:44,689 --> 00:15:49,068 because I realized they would be of historical importance. 237 00:15:50,965 --> 00:15:53,827 Canadian homosexuals are having their careers ruined, 238 00:15:53,896 --> 00:15:55,724 being kicked out of their churches, 239 00:15:55,793 --> 00:15:57,724 having their children taken away from them 240 00:15:57,793 --> 00:16:00,758 and being assaulted in the streets of our own city. 241 00:16:00,862 --> 00:16:03,172 What have we done to deserve this? 242 00:16:03,310 --> 00:16:05,620 Love, that's all we have done. 243 00:16:05,689 --> 00:16:08,586 All we want to do is love persons of the same sex 244 00:16:08,689 --> 00:16:11,655 and live our lives we decide for ourselves. 245 00:16:11,758 --> 00:16:15,586 They were basically civil-rights-style demands. 246 00:16:15,655 --> 00:16:17,827 They were forcefully made, 247 00:16:17,931 --> 00:16:20,586 and it really set an agenda 248 00:16:20,655 --> 00:16:25,206 that put this whole question of gay sexuality on the map. 249 00:16:28,793 --> 00:16:31,931 "Today marks a turning point in our history. 250 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,103 "No longer are we going to petition others 251 00:16:34,206 --> 00:16:35,827 "to give us our rights as gifts. 252 00:16:35,931 --> 00:16:38,448 "We're here to demand them as equal citizens 253 00:16:38,586 --> 00:16:39,689 "on our own terms. 254 00:16:41,241 --> 00:16:43,724 "Homosexual women and men in Canada 255 00:16:43,827 --> 00:16:47,931 "are fed up with being the butt of other people's jokes. 256 00:16:49,137 --> 00:16:52,103 "We are fed up with the lack of basic respect 257 00:16:52,172 --> 00:16:53,793 "due to all human beings. 258 00:16:56,931 --> 00:17:00,241 "We're fed up with having to hide to preserve our jobs. 259 00:17:03,137 --> 00:17:05,068 "We're fed up with having to hide 260 00:17:05,172 --> 00:17:06,758 "to preserve our own freedom. 261 00:17:09,103 --> 00:17:11,758 "We're fed up with the genocide of gays, 262 00:17:11,862 --> 00:17:13,586 "fostered by psychiatrists, 263 00:17:13,689 --> 00:17:15,896 "using medieval tortures to destroy us. 264 00:17:18,172 --> 00:17:21,482 "We're fed up with being discriminated against 265 00:17:21,586 --> 00:17:23,931 "in employment, housing and the courts. 266 00:17:26,172 --> 00:17:29,137 "We're fed up with being arrested and harassed 267 00:17:29,206 --> 00:17:32,000 "by police forces paid for by our own taxes. 268 00:17:33,931 --> 00:17:35,655 "In fact, we're fed up 269 00:17:35,758 --> 00:17:38,793 with paying the price of other people's hangups." 270 00:17:43,793 --> 00:17:46,724 "There's no homosexual problem in Canada. 271 00:17:46,827 --> 00:17:48,551 "There's a heterosexual problem. 272 00:17:50,931 --> 00:17:54,034 "Two million homosexual men and women in Canada 273 00:17:54,137 --> 00:17:55,103 "are watching us. 274 00:17:55,206 --> 00:17:57,586 "We're going to show them that it can be done. 275 00:17:57,689 --> 00:17:59,965 "We can go anywhere we choose as homosexuals 276 00:18:00,068 --> 00:18:03,068 "and as Canadian citizens with full civil rights. 277 00:18:03,172 --> 00:18:05,689 "Gay is proud and gay is good. 278 00:18:05,758 --> 00:18:08,137 Let's say it wherever we go." 279 00:18:12,827 --> 00:18:15,931 I suggested the most important thing we could do 280 00:18:16,068 --> 00:18:18,724 to build the movement and build community 281 00:18:18,793 --> 00:18:21,000 was to start a newspaper of our own. 282 00:18:24,068 --> 00:18:26,724 There was silence in the media, 283 00:18:26,793 --> 00:18:28,206 the mainstream media, 284 00:18:28,275 --> 00:18:30,965 around homosexuality in general. 285 00:18:31,068 --> 00:18:33,620 So I think the conclusion was: 286 00:18:33,724 --> 00:18:35,620 "We need to have our own newspaper 287 00:18:35,724 --> 00:18:38,206 where we can write what we want to write." 288 00:18:54,896 --> 00:18:56,965 And I think that became an important thing 289 00:18:57,103 --> 00:18:58,275 that there really was a place 290 00:18:58,379 --> 00:19:00,793 where you could actually look at something 291 00:19:00,862 --> 00:19:01,896 written by queer people. 292 00:19:06,896 --> 00:19:08,655 For a Canadian publication, 293 00:19:08,758 --> 00:19:11,068 the Body Politic was pretty unique 294 00:19:11,172 --> 00:19:16,034 because it had achieved a reputation internationally... 295 00:19:17,103 --> 00:19:22,000 which very few Canadian periodicals have done. 296 00:19:23,103 --> 00:19:25,172 Chris Bearchell was the only woman 297 00:19:25,275 --> 00:19:28,137 on the editorial collective of the Body Politic. 298 00:19:28,241 --> 00:19:31,689 She was this feisty little dyke 299 00:19:31,827 --> 00:19:34,827 who made sure that feminism was on the agenda 300 00:19:34,965 --> 00:19:37,896 and made sure that gay liberation 301 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,931 was on the agenda for feminists. 302 00:19:47,862 --> 00:19:49,827 All of us on the initial collective, 303 00:19:49,896 --> 00:19:52,000 we would sell the newspaper on the street. 304 00:19:52,103 --> 00:19:55,379 I mean, I can remember going out with a bundle of 100 papers 305 00:19:55,517 --> 00:19:57,000 and selling them all. 306 00:19:57,103 --> 00:19:59,655 Yeah, there was lots of reaction. 307 00:19:59,724 --> 00:20:02,000 I mean, I have to say I was pretty cute. 308 00:20:02,068 --> 00:20:05,068 You know, I was 21 and wearing a gay pride T-shirt and so on. 309 00:20:05,172 --> 00:20:07,793 And they'd all say, "Oh, I don't want your paper, 310 00:20:07,896 --> 00:20:08,724 but I'll take you," 311 00:20:08,827 --> 00:20:10,034 and all this kind of stuff. 312 00:20:10,172 --> 00:20:12,689 You know, lots of cruisy stuff going on. 313 00:20:12,793 --> 00:20:14,068 I'd say: "Oh yeah, well, you know, 314 00:20:14,172 --> 00:20:15,827 I cost more than 25 cents, ha-ha." 315 00:20:23,206 --> 00:20:25,000 The Body Politic, you know, 316 00:20:25,103 --> 00:20:27,034 had to decide what kind of covers, 317 00:20:27,137 --> 00:20:30,275 what kind of art on the covers would be used. 318 00:20:31,793 --> 00:20:34,758 We began to cover stories we'd heard 319 00:20:34,862 --> 00:20:38,034 of people being arrested in washrooms, 320 00:20:38,137 --> 00:20:41,206 you know, people being thrown out of apartments 321 00:20:41,344 --> 00:20:43,310 because they were queer. 322 00:20:44,517 --> 00:20:47,172 One of them would be Douglas Wilson, 323 00:20:47,275 --> 00:20:49,310 who was a teacher in Saskatchewan. 324 00:20:49,413 --> 00:20:52,103 He was fired because he was openly gay. 325 00:20:53,379 --> 00:20:55,137 Really at the time, 326 00:20:55,241 --> 00:20:57,931 the Body Politic was globally recognized 327 00:20:58,068 --> 00:21:02,275 as being one of the leaders in terms of debates, discourses, 328 00:21:02,413 --> 00:21:04,724 fights, theories, 329 00:21:04,793 --> 00:21:09,206 development of a rigorous queer liberation theory. 330 00:21:09,310 --> 00:21:10,310 There was this sense of: 331 00:21:10,413 --> 00:21:14,137 "I'm getting this amazing immersion and education 332 00:21:14,275 --> 00:21:17,137 in what gay liberation can look like." 333 00:21:21,310 --> 00:21:24,068 People growing up in small towns and so on 334 00:21:24,172 --> 00:21:26,965 say that they saw the Body Politic in the library, 335 00:21:27,068 --> 00:21:28,241 and they couldn't believe it. 336 00:21:28,344 --> 00:21:31,344 You know, they couldn't believe that such a thing existed. 337 00:21:31,448 --> 00:21:33,137 I found the Body Politic. 338 00:21:33,241 --> 00:21:35,137 Who knew the Cedarbrae Public Library 339 00:21:35,275 --> 00:21:37,137 was so progressive to have all of this. 340 00:21:37,275 --> 00:21:39,793 That where I was there feeling isolated, 341 00:21:39,896 --> 00:21:42,379 it gave me a space to sort of find myself. 342 00:21:42,482 --> 00:21:44,275 And so, the Body Politic 343 00:21:44,413 --> 00:21:49,344 actually located queerness and gayness in Toronto. 344 00:21:49,448 --> 00:21:51,413 So I knew, you know, 345 00:21:51,482 --> 00:21:56,413 not far from where I was sitting in Cedarbrae Public Library, 346 00:21:56,482 --> 00:21:59,000 that there was a whole community. 347 00:22:09,206 --> 00:22:12,551 I started buying the Body Politic on the sly, 348 00:22:12,655 --> 00:22:15,068 and I started reading the paper 349 00:22:15,206 --> 00:22:19,413 and found that there was going to be this Gay Pride march. 350 00:22:36,344 --> 00:22:37,448 It started at Allan Gardens. 351 00:22:37,517 --> 00:22:40,000 And I remember hiding sort of behind the bushes 352 00:22:40,068 --> 00:22:42,517 and kind of watching these people as they formed up. 353 00:22:42,620 --> 00:22:44,862 Then as they began to pick up things to go, 354 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,310 I thought: "This is the moment." 355 00:22:46,379 --> 00:22:48,793 And so I walked over and picked up a sign that said, 356 00:22:48,862 --> 00:22:51,000 you know, "Gay Liberation Now," or something. 357 00:22:53,448 --> 00:22:56,137 I had a bullhorn at the front of the parade 358 00:22:56,206 --> 00:22:57,827 and was calling out the chants. 359 00:22:57,965 --> 00:23:01,413 We were all pumped and excited and chanting: 360 00:23:01,517 --> 00:23:03,034 "Two, four, six, eight, 361 00:23:03,103 --> 00:23:04,965 gay is just as good as straight." 362 00:23:15,344 --> 00:23:17,379 And the advantage of having so few people 363 00:23:17,448 --> 00:23:20,275 was that I was recognized as a new face in the crowd, 364 00:23:20,379 --> 00:23:22,068 picked up, taken home, had sex with, 365 00:23:22,206 --> 00:23:24,034 given a stack of gay liberation literature 366 00:23:24,103 --> 00:23:26,413 and told to come back for more when I finished reading. 367 00:23:26,551 --> 00:23:28,310 And I read. 368 00:23:31,482 --> 00:23:36,620 I saw this very masculine, handsome young guy on the side there. 369 00:23:36,724 --> 00:23:39,137 And so I asked him if I could hold his hand. 370 00:23:40,448 --> 00:23:43,551 To pull him into the march, really. 371 00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:48,068 So we held hands, and then we became... 372 00:23:50,103 --> 00:23:52,068 very close for a year. 373 00:23:52,137 --> 00:23:54,275 And that was very lovely. 374 00:23:54,413 --> 00:23:58,586 And that helped Tim evolve into... 375 00:23:59,620 --> 00:24:03,586 perhaps the most important single gay activist in Canada. 376 00:24:03,655 --> 00:24:05,689 That's how I see it. 377 00:24:05,827 --> 00:24:09,379 So in that way, if I played a positive role, 378 00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:11,068 I'm proud of that. 379 00:24:20,379 --> 00:24:24,517 Jearld Moldenhauer provides an invaluable record 380 00:24:24,655 --> 00:24:26,310 of those early days, 381 00:24:26,379 --> 00:24:30,000 both in photographs and in the Super 8 footage. 382 00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:34,068 Jearld is a remarkable archivist. 383 00:24:39,724 --> 00:24:42,310 Why it's important to document history? 384 00:24:42,413 --> 00:24:45,586 It shows real live human beings in their situation 385 00:24:45,689 --> 00:24:47,620 trying to change their society. 386 00:24:47,724 --> 00:24:51,620 When people see that, you know, especially as time goes by, 387 00:24:51,689 --> 00:24:55,310 and they look back and they see what those people did, 388 00:24:55,379 --> 00:24:59,206 that they took a stand, they participated, 389 00:24:59,344 --> 00:25:01,724 and that's how change occurs. 390 00:25:07,517 --> 00:25:11,068 This was a joyous, in-your-face, profoundly political event 391 00:25:11,206 --> 00:25:14,413 because it was not OK to be out back then. 392 00:25:21,551 --> 00:25:26,413 We were very young and committed to resisting, rebellion 393 00:25:26,517 --> 00:25:30,206 and being out to everyone. 394 00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:31,586 That was new. 395 00:26:07,344 --> 00:26:10,448 Do you understand, those of you who are not gay, 396 00:26:10,551 --> 00:26:13,586 how we have been violated since the very beginning of time? 397 00:26:13,655 --> 00:26:16,758 Do you understand that they violated us during the Inquisition 398 00:26:16,862 --> 00:26:19,482 by burning millions of us as witches at the stake 399 00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:22,034 because we were interested in herbal medicine 400 00:26:22,137 --> 00:26:23,758 or that we spoke out with the truth? 401 00:26:23,827 --> 00:26:26,310 Do you know how men got the name "faggot," 402 00:26:26,413 --> 00:26:28,758 for any of you guys that still use the word "faggot"? 403 00:26:28,827 --> 00:26:31,310 Because they were tied to the witches, 404 00:26:31,413 --> 00:26:33,137 doused with gasoline and lit on fire. 405 00:26:33,241 --> 00:26:35,103 And that's how they got the name "faggot". 406 00:26:35,172 --> 00:26:37,448 They were used as a wood to burn the women. 407 00:26:37,517 --> 00:26:39,413 My name is Robin Tyler. 408 00:26:39,517 --> 00:26:42,310 And I knew I was born a lesbian when my mother delivered me 409 00:26:42,413 --> 00:26:44,310 and the doctor hit me, and I hit him back. 410 00:26:44,413 --> 00:26:48,655 I was the first out gay or lesbian comic. 411 00:26:48,758 --> 00:26:51,206 I've also been an activist all of my life, 412 00:26:51,310 --> 00:26:52,655 including here in Winnipeg. 413 00:26:55,689 --> 00:26:57,620 I never came out of the closet. 414 00:26:57,724 --> 00:26:59,517 I was never in the closet. 415 00:26:59,655 --> 00:27:02,862 I remember falling in love with Sheri Bernstein 416 00:27:02,965 --> 00:27:05,827 at the Banff School of Fine Arts, you know, 417 00:27:05,896 --> 00:27:08,310 and picking up a book called The Ladder. 418 00:27:08,379 --> 00:27:10,689 And it was: "If you're a woman, you love another woman, 419 00:27:10,827 --> 00:27:11,827 "what you are is a lesbian. 420 00:27:11,931 --> 00:27:14,379 If it feels right to you, it is right." 421 00:27:18,413 --> 00:27:20,793 I ran down the Banff School of Fine Arts screaming: 422 00:27:20,896 --> 00:27:22,586 "I'm a lesbian, I'm a lesbian, hooray!" 423 00:27:22,724 --> 00:27:25,586 And my teacher, who was just like this Maggie Smith 424 00:27:25,689 --> 00:27:26,965 in The Prime of Jean Brodie, 425 00:27:27,034 --> 00:27:28,137 came out and said: 426 00:27:28,241 --> 00:27:30,448 "There, there, dear, we're all thespians. 427 00:27:30,551 --> 00:27:32,103 That's why we're here, right?" 428 00:27:32,206 --> 00:27:33,793 So I couldn't even come out when I came out. 429 00:27:33,896 --> 00:27:36,655 I remember being on a work crew with a woman 430 00:27:36,724 --> 00:27:41,620 that, um, wore blue jeans, and she had an army jacket, 431 00:27:41,689 --> 00:27:43,758 and she was a poet, 432 00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:45,448 and she was yummy. 433 00:27:45,551 --> 00:27:49,517 And I said to her: "Can I kiss you? I must kiss you." 434 00:27:49,620 --> 00:27:50,724 And she said yes. 435 00:27:50,827 --> 00:27:52,310 I remember thinking, 436 00:27:52,413 --> 00:27:55,379 as we were in bed having wild sex for the first time, 437 00:27:55,448 --> 00:27:59,896 it's like: "OK, I'm a nice Catholic girl from, you know, northern prairies, 438 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,413 and this is worth going to hell for." 439 00:28:08,137 --> 00:28:10,862 I come from a very repressed family 440 00:28:10,965 --> 00:28:14,862 in a small town in British Columbia, in Kelowna. 441 00:28:14,931 --> 00:28:16,517 It was very tiny. 442 00:28:16,586 --> 00:28:18,551 It was very conservative. 443 00:28:19,758 --> 00:28:22,344 I used to have these reoccurring nightmares 444 00:28:22,448 --> 00:28:25,448 that these beautiful women turned into witches 445 00:28:25,551 --> 00:28:26,827 and they were trying to get me. 446 00:28:26,931 --> 00:28:28,689 And I would run and run, and I would panic, 447 00:28:28,758 --> 00:28:30,137 and I would wake up. 448 00:28:30,275 --> 00:28:32,586 And it was kind of like this terror nightmare. 449 00:28:32,655 --> 00:28:35,034 And I thought: "Oh my God, lesbians are witches. 450 00:28:35,137 --> 00:28:36,965 "Clearly, like, it's bad. 451 00:28:37,103 --> 00:28:39,620 It's a bad thing that I'm feeling this." 452 00:28:39,724 --> 00:28:43,793 And I guess one day, I actually analyzed it differently. 453 00:28:43,896 --> 00:28:45,448 And I thought: "It's just... 454 00:28:45,551 --> 00:28:47,413 "It's what I'm afraid of, 455 00:28:47,482 --> 00:28:49,448 because it's going to change my life." 456 00:28:49,551 --> 00:28:52,310 ♪ My fear has turned to anger ♪ 457 00:28:52,448 --> 00:28:55,413 ♪ As my anger's turned into rage ♪ 458 00:28:55,517 --> 00:28:57,862 ♪ And I won't live my life in a cage ♪ 459 00:28:57,965 --> 00:29:00,310 ♪ So we're gonna fight back ♪ 460 00:29:00,448 --> 00:29:01,655 ♪ In large numbers ♪ 461 00:29:01,793 --> 00:29:03,482 ♪ Fight back ♪ 462 00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:05,310 ♪ I can't make it alone ♪ 463 00:29:05,448 --> 00:29:07,379 ♪ Fight back ♪ 464 00:29:07,517 --> 00:29:08,689 ♪ In large numbers ♪ 465 00:29:08,827 --> 00:29:11,275 ♪ Together we can make a safe home ♪ 466 00:29:11,517 --> 00:29:14,448 ♪ Together we can make a safe home ♪ 467 00:29:14,551 --> 00:29:17,103 Two, four, six, eight, 468 00:29:17,206 --> 00:29:19,551 lesbians are really great! 469 00:29:20,793 --> 00:29:24,689 Lesbian organizations were popping up all over the country. 470 00:29:24,793 --> 00:29:28,655 And it really was a time when we needed to separate from gay men. 471 00:29:28,758 --> 00:29:31,000 Because what we were fighting for 472 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:34,896 felt very different as women and as feminists. 473 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,482 ♪♪ Angry young woman ♪ 474 00:29:36,551 --> 00:29:38,344 ♪ I've been around ♪ 475 00:29:38,482 --> 00:29:39,551 ♪ Angry young woman ♪ 476 00:29:39,655 --> 00:29:41,000 ♪ I'll bust up the town ♪ 477 00:29:41,137 --> 00:29:42,827 ♪ Angry young woman ♪ 478 00:29:42,931 --> 00:29:44,620 ♪ They call me a dyke ♪ 479 00:29:44,724 --> 00:29:46,000 ♪ I don't know much about it ♪ 480 00:29:46,206 --> 00:29:49,551 ♪ I just know what I like ♪ 481 00:29:49,689 --> 00:29:53,413 This is a time that requires that we be on the street. 482 00:29:53,517 --> 00:29:56,793 This is a time that requires us to be visible. 483 00:29:56,896 --> 00:30:00,862 This is a time that requires us to take up space. 484 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,793 And we did. 485 00:30:02,896 --> 00:30:06,034 ♪ A motorbike with whistles ♪ 486 00:30:06,172 --> 00:30:08,000 ♪ Hey, you want a ride? ♪ 487 00:30:08,068 --> 00:30:11,482 ♪ You don't understand when I say no, it's no ♪ 488 00:30:11,586 --> 00:30:15,896 I believe that we began to build in 1977. 489 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,137 Now, originally, when we were trying to figure out 490 00:30:19,206 --> 00:30:21,586 what to call ourselves, actually, 491 00:30:21,689 --> 00:30:24,448 the first idea was the Toronto Organization of Lesbians. 492 00:30:24,517 --> 00:30:27,793 But we didn't like the acronym, which was TOOL. 493 00:30:27,862 --> 00:30:30,551 So we flipped it 494 00:30:30,655 --> 00:30:33,827 and decided it would be the Lesbian Organization of Toronto, 495 00:30:33,931 --> 00:30:35,793 LOOT. 496 00:30:38,862 --> 00:30:40,344 And we found this house. 497 00:30:40,448 --> 00:30:43,965 It was a little ramshackle, but that was OK. 498 00:30:44,068 --> 00:30:45,758 Women started coming in, 499 00:30:45,862 --> 00:30:50,000 and we started seeing that we weren't alone. 500 00:30:52,862 --> 00:30:56,000 Just the notion that we could be out there, 501 00:30:56,103 --> 00:31:00,862 we could be together, we could celebrate, 502 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,586 we could flirt, we could, you know, find a new lover, 503 00:31:05,689 --> 00:31:08,413 we could find a new friend, 504 00:31:08,551 --> 00:31:10,379 we could go out afterwards, 505 00:31:10,448 --> 00:31:13,379 we could go home afterwards with somebody. 506 00:31:13,482 --> 00:31:17,517 All of that was just, uh, oh, it was so luscious. 507 00:31:17,620 --> 00:31:20,896 ♪ I just know what I like ♪ 508 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,551 I knew what a lesbian was. 509 00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:28,068 That still wasn't really what I felt comfortable with. 510 00:31:28,172 --> 00:31:32,586 And after going there for about, I guess, 3 or 4 days, 511 00:31:32,689 --> 00:31:35,827 I heard the word "dyke," and I asked what that meant. 512 00:31:35,931 --> 00:31:37,103 And they said: 513 00:31:37,206 --> 00:31:40,413 "Oh, you know, "that's somebody who is politically active, 514 00:31:40,551 --> 00:31:41,931 and they like to kick ass." 515 00:31:42,068 --> 00:31:43,620 And I said: "Well, that's me." 516 00:31:49,137 --> 00:31:52,103 When it was my shift on the phone lines 517 00:31:52,241 --> 00:31:54,413 and young women would call up, 518 00:31:54,551 --> 00:31:57,793 and they would hear my accent, my Trini accent, 519 00:31:57,931 --> 00:32:01,000 they would say: "Oh, you sound like my mother," 520 00:32:01,137 --> 00:32:04,517 or, "You sound like my aunt, but I was born here. 521 00:32:04,655 --> 00:32:06,172 Can I come down and meet you?" 522 00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:07,965 I don't know how I ended up there. 523 00:32:08,068 --> 00:32:09,482 Somebody took me there, 524 00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:13,137 but I ended up playing some of my first gigs at LOOT. 525 00:32:13,241 --> 00:32:15,034 And I was so bad. 526 00:32:15,137 --> 00:32:16,827 Oh my God, I was so bad. 527 00:32:16,931 --> 00:32:20,620 But they were so supportive, and it gave me... 528 00:32:20,689 --> 00:32:24,137 Just watching these women talking together, 529 00:32:24,275 --> 00:32:25,655 you know, I was a little... 530 00:32:25,758 --> 00:32:28,068 I was a little baby dyke at that point, right? 531 00:32:28,172 --> 00:32:30,931 I was still fresh and new in this world, 532 00:32:31,034 --> 00:32:33,620 and I didn't know... 533 00:32:35,586 --> 00:32:37,620 how I was going to evolve. 534 00:32:37,689 --> 00:32:42,000 But I knew that these women were going to be a piece of it. 535 00:32:57,827 --> 00:33:02,103 I have been blacklisted for exercising the right of a mother 536 00:33:02,206 --> 00:33:04,724 to defend her children and all children 537 00:33:04,827 --> 00:33:07,862 against their being recruited by homosexuals. 538 00:33:07,965 --> 00:33:10,724 Anita Bryant was coming to town. 539 00:33:10,827 --> 00:33:12,551 And we knew she was dangerous. 540 00:33:12,655 --> 00:33:14,103 We knew she was having an impact, 541 00:33:14,206 --> 00:33:15,896 especially in the United States. 542 00:33:16,034 --> 00:33:18,689 And there were many of us who really can't stand it 543 00:33:18,793 --> 00:33:20,172 when anybody in the United States 544 00:33:20,241 --> 00:33:22,758 has any kind of influence over our politics here. 545 00:33:22,862 --> 00:33:24,655 She was going around the US 546 00:33:24,724 --> 00:33:27,655 campaigning against human rights for queers, 547 00:33:27,758 --> 00:33:30,931 in particular, human rights for queer teachers. 548 00:33:31,034 --> 00:33:33,965 Would you welcome, please, Bob and Anita Bryant-Green. 549 00:33:34,068 --> 00:33:35,551 God bless you. 550 00:33:36,793 --> 00:33:39,034 Anita Bryant was very dangerous. 551 00:33:39,172 --> 00:33:41,172 The first thing was her hair was very stiff. 552 00:33:41,241 --> 00:33:43,551 So if you bumped into her, you could get wounded. 553 00:33:43,689 --> 00:33:44,896 Do you know what I mean? 554 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,689 There was so much hairspray that it was a helmet that she wore. 555 00:33:48,793 --> 00:33:51,862 But she was also dangerous because it wasn't her. 556 00:33:51,965 --> 00:33:54,896 It was really a huge right-wing factory. 557 00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:57,655 The war goes on to save our children 558 00:33:57,724 --> 00:34:00,103 because the seed of sexual sickness 559 00:34:00,206 --> 00:34:02,275 that germinated in Dade County 560 00:34:02,379 --> 00:34:05,137 has already been transplanted by misguided liberals 561 00:34:05,275 --> 00:34:06,896 in the US Congress. 562 00:34:06,965 --> 00:34:11,655 700 lesbians, gay men and feminists 563 00:34:11,758 --> 00:34:15,103 went up on a very cold, cold, 564 00:34:15,206 --> 00:34:19,000 chilly, blistering-cold night 565 00:34:19,103 --> 00:34:21,965 and marched and protested against her speaking. 566 00:34:22,068 --> 00:34:23,896 Hey, hey, ho, ho! 567 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,896 Anita Bryant's gotta go! 568 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,896 Hey, hey, ho, ho! Anita Bryant's gotta go! 569 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,655 The presence of Anita Bryant in Canada 570 00:34:31,758 --> 00:34:34,689 galvanized queer activists. 571 00:34:34,793 --> 00:34:36,137 There we were, 572 00:34:36,275 --> 00:34:41,103 furious with this right-wing backlash. 573 00:34:41,206 --> 00:34:45,862 And it also kind of connected us to, 574 00:34:45,965 --> 00:34:48,827 especially lesbian feminists like myself, 575 00:34:48,965 --> 00:34:50,034 to gay liberationists 576 00:34:50,137 --> 00:34:53,000 in a way that we hadn't been connected before. 577 00:34:53,103 --> 00:34:57,344 Gay rights now! Gay rights now! 578 00:34:57,482 --> 00:35:02,137 Gay rights now! Gay rights now! 579 00:35:02,241 --> 00:35:04,241 Gay rights now! 580 00:35:06,137 --> 00:35:08,724 Even as we were having leaps of visibility 581 00:35:08,827 --> 00:35:11,551 and extraordinary gains in the public sphere, 582 00:35:11,689 --> 00:35:14,206 and as a community, were exerting ourselves 583 00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:16,724 and expressing our agency. 584 00:35:16,862 --> 00:35:19,137 And it wasn't just through the protests 585 00:35:19,206 --> 00:35:20,931 or through the pride parades, 586 00:35:21,034 --> 00:35:24,275 but it was through all the day-to-day changes 587 00:35:24,379 --> 00:35:25,724 that were occurring 588 00:35:25,827 --> 00:35:27,689 that was making queer visible, 589 00:35:27,827 --> 00:35:29,931 but equally making queer vulnerable 590 00:35:30,034 --> 00:35:33,172 to that sort of backlash or that sort of attack. 591 00:35:47,137 --> 00:35:51,344 In 1976, Montreal hosted the Olympics. 592 00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:58,068 This was Mayor Jean Drapeau's major event for him. 593 00:35:58,206 --> 00:36:02,206 He made sure that the city was, quote unquote, cleaned up. 594 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:04,068 So there were a lot of arrests. 595 00:36:04,137 --> 00:36:05,724 A lot of arrests of gay people, 596 00:36:05,793 --> 00:36:08,793 a lot of arrests of street workers, sex workers. 597 00:36:08,931 --> 00:36:12,034 And that continued into 1977. 598 00:36:13,965 --> 00:36:15,310 We went to this place-- 599 00:36:15,448 --> 00:36:18,068 it was relatively new-- called Truxx. 600 00:36:18,172 --> 00:36:21,241 And it was on an upper floor. 601 00:36:21,344 --> 00:36:23,068 And it was kind of dark. 602 00:36:23,137 --> 00:36:27,103 And it was just people sitting around, 603 00:36:27,206 --> 00:36:28,931 talking and drinking beer. 604 00:36:29,034 --> 00:36:31,241 And I remember shortly before all hell broke loose, 605 00:36:31,344 --> 00:36:32,965 Warick saying: 606 00:36:33,068 --> 00:36:34,965 "This is really boring. Let's go somewhere else." 607 00:36:37,896 --> 00:36:41,517 The police showed up suddenly. 608 00:36:46,275 --> 00:36:50,241 They were carrying long guns. 609 00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:55,206 They harassed us, hitting us on the legs. 610 00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:05,310 And then they loaded us into vans. 611 00:37:05,379 --> 00:37:07,517 I remember sitting in this paddy wagon. 612 00:37:07,620 --> 00:37:09,000 There was a lot of distress, 613 00:37:09,103 --> 00:37:11,517 because there were people, for instance, married men. 614 00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:13,068 There were people who weren't out. 615 00:37:13,206 --> 00:37:15,862 There was one guy who had some kind of immigration problem 616 00:37:15,965 --> 00:37:17,172 that he was really worried about. 617 00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:18,482 There was a lot of anguish. 618 00:37:21,206 --> 00:37:26,482 The police forced us into a physical inspection, 619 00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:31,448 including our sexual parts. 620 00:37:31,551 --> 00:37:35,103 This was an operation among the 3 police forces. 621 00:37:35,172 --> 00:37:40,068 They treated it as if this was a major crime scene, 622 00:37:40,172 --> 00:37:42,344 which of course it never was. 623 00:37:43,379 --> 00:37:47,827 In the meantime, gay rights activists 624 00:37:47,896 --> 00:37:51,862 were planning a protest for the next day. 625 00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:58,137 Over 2,000 people showed up. 626 00:38:10,241 --> 00:38:12,241 It was like being on the crest of a wave. 627 00:38:12,379 --> 00:38:14,379 It wasn't like we started the wave. 628 00:38:14,448 --> 00:38:17,517 The wave was there and carried us with it, 629 00:38:17,586 --> 00:38:20,379 and we were just there manifesting. 630 00:38:22,172 --> 00:38:25,620 We decided that, no more slinking away into the night. 631 00:38:27,344 --> 00:38:30,034 The defence would be one of identification. 632 00:38:30,137 --> 00:38:32,172 What happened would be 633 00:38:32,275 --> 00:38:36,448 that they would call a policeman to the stand, the prosecution. 634 00:38:36,586 --> 00:38:38,586 "Can you identify the accused?" 635 00:38:38,724 --> 00:38:41,275 Well, in those days, if I may say so, 636 00:38:41,413 --> 00:38:43,344 a lot of gay people, you know, 637 00:38:43,448 --> 00:38:46,379 were dressed and looked very much alike. 638 00:38:47,586 --> 00:38:49,413 And so how would the policeman 639 00:38:49,551 --> 00:38:51,379 remember that particular accused? 640 00:38:51,448 --> 00:38:53,517 Could not point them out in the courtroom. 641 00:38:53,586 --> 00:38:56,310 And the case collapsed. 642 00:38:56,413 --> 00:38:57,724 In the meantime, 643 00:38:57,827 --> 00:39:01,137 me and my friends in the organization were asked to write a brief 644 00:39:01,275 --> 00:39:03,172 to the Minister of Justice. 645 00:39:03,310 --> 00:39:05,413 Well, above all, I asked them 646 00:39:05,482 --> 00:39:11,172 to include in the Charter of Freedoms for the Quebec population 647 00:39:11,310 --> 00:39:16,551 a clause stating that sexual orientation 648 00:39:16,655 --> 00:39:20,137 is not grounds for discrimination. 649 00:39:20,275 --> 00:39:22,931 It was the first such amendment, 650 00:39:23,034 --> 00:39:26,517 first protection at the provincial level 651 00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:29,310 or state level in North America. 652 00:39:29,413 --> 00:39:34,655 And was a major, major, major milestone for gay civil rights. 653 00:39:34,758 --> 00:39:37,206 Quebec has become the first province 654 00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:40,137 to make discrimination against homosexuals illegal. 655 00:39:40,241 --> 00:39:43,586 Saskatchewan and Ontario are considering a similar law. 656 00:39:52,586 --> 00:39:55,137 Human rights have to be codified. 657 00:39:55,241 --> 00:39:59,344 They have to be made as broad, as wide, as widely understood, 658 00:39:59,482 --> 00:40:02,379 as widely protected as possible 659 00:40:02,482 --> 00:40:05,241 for everyone in our Canadian society 660 00:40:05,344 --> 00:40:08,448 and, in this case, for one of our more beleaguered minorities, 661 00:40:08,517 --> 00:40:11,275 for the gay and lesbian people of Canada. 662 00:40:15,275 --> 00:40:17,344 The gains of the community 663 00:40:17,448 --> 00:40:21,275 were being noticed by our community's enemies. 664 00:40:21,379 --> 00:40:25,137 And our community's enemies, they were galvanized, 665 00:40:25,241 --> 00:40:28,413 and they fought back against our progress. 666 00:40:41,586 --> 00:40:44,379 There were a lot of debates within the Body Politic. 667 00:40:44,482 --> 00:40:46,482 And one of them was the idea 668 00:40:46,586 --> 00:40:49,103 that gay men's sexuality shouldn't be policed. 669 00:40:50,206 --> 00:40:51,413 And at the same time, 670 00:40:51,517 --> 00:40:56,551 I was very clear that I did not want to fall into the trap 671 00:40:56,655 --> 00:41:00,137 of, uh, supporting a moralistic view 672 00:41:00,241 --> 00:41:03,379 around sexuality and representation. 673 00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:08,482 Gerald Hannon was my best friend. 674 00:41:08,586 --> 00:41:11,448 Gerald, I think, became one of the most important activists 675 00:41:11,517 --> 00:41:12,758 in the country. 676 00:41:12,862 --> 00:41:16,137 And one of the reasons is that he was such a good writer. 677 00:41:21,206 --> 00:41:23,724 Gerald Hannon had written a number of articles 678 00:41:23,827 --> 00:41:24,827 about youth sexuality. 679 00:41:24,896 --> 00:41:27,344 The law had been partially changed 680 00:41:27,448 --> 00:41:31,724 to allow sex between men in private at 21. 681 00:41:31,827 --> 00:41:33,413 So that's quite old. 682 00:41:33,551 --> 00:41:36,620 But, I mean, for heterosexuals, it was something like 16. 683 00:41:36,724 --> 00:41:38,068 It was about, 684 00:41:38,172 --> 00:41:41,379 when do young people have a right to sexuality? 685 00:41:41,482 --> 00:41:43,448 When can they choose to be sexual? 686 00:41:45,586 --> 00:41:48,413 We were about to publish another article in the series 687 00:41:48,551 --> 00:41:51,344 when the Emanuel Jaques murder happened. 688 00:41:52,379 --> 00:41:55,034 Emanuel, the shoeshine boy. 689 00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:59,137 He was about a 12-year-old boy and his brother. 690 00:41:59,206 --> 00:42:01,103 Everybody got to know of them. 691 00:42:01,241 --> 00:42:02,620 Like, they just loved them. 692 00:42:02,758 --> 00:42:05,310 Even if their shoes were clean, 693 00:42:05,413 --> 00:42:07,620 give the kid a few bucks and that. 694 00:42:07,758 --> 00:42:12,137 The media decided to sort of conflate this 695 00:42:12,275 --> 00:42:14,137 as being a gay crime. 696 00:42:14,275 --> 00:42:16,137 Clean up Yonge Street! 697 00:42:16,241 --> 00:42:20,448 Clean up Yonge Street! Clean up Yonge Street! 698 00:42:20,551 --> 00:42:24,586 That lit the bomb everywhere, with the police and everything. 699 00:42:24,689 --> 00:42:29,275 Because then, we were all murderers and pedophiles. 700 00:42:36,586 --> 00:42:39,448 Any premeditated murders should be 701 00:42:39,551 --> 00:42:41,551 pained with the same pain! 702 00:42:49,344 --> 00:42:53,241 The decision to publish the article Men Loving Boys Loving Men 703 00:42:53,344 --> 00:42:54,655 was not taken lightly, 704 00:42:54,758 --> 00:42:56,482 and we all had differing opinions. 705 00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:59,517 I was not certain that this was the right time to do it. 706 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,724 There's no time is right. 707 00:43:03,827 --> 00:43:05,758 And in an introduction, we said that. 708 00:43:05,827 --> 00:43:07,793 And we published the article. 709 00:43:07,896 --> 00:43:11,310 We had different ideas about what sexual liberation was. 710 00:43:11,413 --> 00:43:16,482 And I understood, in particular regarding the article Men Loving Boys Loving Men, 711 00:43:16,551 --> 00:43:20,551 that Gerald Hannon was interested in pushing boundaries. 712 00:43:20,655 --> 00:43:23,896 All these debates were very personal and very intense. 713 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,344 And people came from very different histories. 714 00:43:28,448 --> 00:43:32,379 Like, a white gay male notion of liberation 715 00:43:32,482 --> 00:43:35,827 had a very different inflection than a feminist. 716 00:43:35,965 --> 00:43:37,517 We had different histories. 717 00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:40,689 It was controversial, but we felt it needed to be addressed. 718 00:43:40,793 --> 00:43:43,655 It led to the Toronto Sun in particular, Claire Hoy, 719 00:43:43,758 --> 00:43:47,379 going on and on about, you know, how horrible homosexuals were, 720 00:43:47,482 --> 00:43:48,586 molesting children, 721 00:43:48,689 --> 00:43:51,620 and calling for some kind of reaction from the police. 722 00:43:51,724 --> 00:43:54,379 And it's not the sort of thing 723 00:43:54,482 --> 00:43:56,655 that I want the homosexual groups 724 00:43:56,793 --> 00:43:58,551 to get into the schools, 725 00:43:58,655 --> 00:44:01,448 which is really the main area where they want to get in, 726 00:44:01,586 --> 00:44:03,448 and they'll tell you this themselves, 727 00:44:03,586 --> 00:44:06,344 and preach their gospel of homosexuality 728 00:44:06,448 --> 00:44:07,655 to impressionable kids. 729 00:44:07,724 --> 00:44:09,379 I don't want that to happen. 730 00:44:09,448 --> 00:44:12,482 We had never ever in a million years 731 00:44:12,586 --> 00:44:16,448 thought there would be, you know, the police coming in 732 00:44:16,586 --> 00:44:20,448 and raiding the office, and then laying charges. 733 00:44:22,586 --> 00:44:26,586 That was a very traumatic night. 734 00:44:26,724 --> 00:44:28,517 It was late. 735 00:44:28,586 --> 00:44:29,758 They just walked in the door. 736 00:44:29,862 --> 00:44:32,241 They showed us the search warrants. 737 00:44:32,344 --> 00:44:34,827 They took the subscription lists. 738 00:44:34,896 --> 00:44:36,551 But that's what scared us, 739 00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:38,310 was that they now had a list, 740 00:44:38,448 --> 00:44:42,551 you know, addresses of a whole bunch of queer people across the country. 741 00:44:48,862 --> 00:44:50,689 We were in an old warehouse, 742 00:44:50,793 --> 00:44:54,275 so it was like an old industrial elevator 743 00:44:54,379 --> 00:44:56,517 that kind of slowly descended. 744 00:44:57,551 --> 00:45:02,896 And that was my image of these boxes slowly descending. 745 00:45:07,586 --> 00:45:11,517 But that night was a pretty seismic moment for me 746 00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:14,482 in terms of my sense of police and what they could do. 747 00:45:14,586 --> 00:45:17,034 It seemed obvious that the goal 748 00:45:17,137 --> 00:45:19,379 was to put it out of business 749 00:45:19,482 --> 00:45:22,586 and therefore achieve a suppression 750 00:45:22,655 --> 00:45:24,344 of the exchange of ideas 751 00:45:24,482 --> 00:45:27,689 within the gay and lesbian movement. 752 00:45:27,793 --> 00:45:30,586 So ultimately, it would be instrumental 753 00:45:30,689 --> 00:45:33,034 in destroying the gay movement. 754 00:45:38,034 --> 00:45:41,517 We were charged with the use of the mails 755 00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:45,310 to transmit immoral, indecent and scurrilous literature. 756 00:45:45,413 --> 00:45:46,965 We were acquitted the first time. 757 00:45:47,103 --> 00:45:49,000 It went to an appeal court, 758 00:45:49,103 --> 00:45:52,000 and we were acquitted the second time. 759 00:45:54,068 --> 00:45:56,241 This was a censorship trial. 760 00:45:56,310 --> 00:45:59,793 We won, and I think the message to the state 761 00:45:59,896 --> 00:46:01,724 was that we would not be censored 762 00:46:01,827 --> 00:46:04,517 and that freedom of the press was important. 763 00:46:29,724 --> 00:46:33,793 Operation Soap began in August 1980 764 00:46:33,862 --> 00:46:36,724 by sending 3 undercover agents 765 00:46:36,862 --> 00:46:40,551 into the various bathhouses across the city. 766 00:46:44,758 --> 00:46:47,724 The police were already going into the bathhouses before then. 767 00:46:47,827 --> 00:46:52,896 They raided the Barracks bathhouse in December 1978. 768 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,965 It was an ordinary night. 769 00:46:55,068 --> 00:46:56,758 All of a sudden, 770 00:46:56,862 --> 00:47:00,758 this kind of crowd that were a little boisterous came in. 771 00:47:00,896 --> 00:47:02,758 And as soon as I buzzed the door, 772 00:47:02,862 --> 00:47:06,862 all of a sudden, there's a whole burst of them going through 773 00:47:06,931 --> 00:47:09,448 when they hadn't actually been signed in. 774 00:47:14,034 --> 00:47:17,448 Operation Soap really was a perfect storm 775 00:47:17,586 --> 00:47:19,758 that hit in the early 1980s. 776 00:47:19,862 --> 00:47:22,586 They had four bathhouses in their targets: 777 00:47:22,689 --> 00:47:25,758 the Richmond Street Health Emporium, the Barracks, 778 00:47:25,827 --> 00:47:30,103 the Club Baths and the Romans Health Spa. 779 00:47:31,827 --> 00:47:34,482 Any act that would take place in private 780 00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:36,827 would be covered under the 1969 reform, 781 00:47:36,931 --> 00:47:39,724 and so the men couldn't be charged. 782 00:47:39,793 --> 00:47:41,620 So, the bedrooms of the nation. 783 00:47:41,724 --> 00:47:43,655 Public is defined as any place 784 00:47:43,758 --> 00:47:46,965 where more than two people are present or taking part. 785 00:47:47,103 --> 00:47:48,724 So the bath houses, 786 00:47:48,827 --> 00:47:51,862 because there were lots of people around, 787 00:47:51,931 --> 00:47:53,034 and in some cases, 788 00:47:53,103 --> 00:47:55,793 men were having sex with more than just one person, 789 00:47:55,931 --> 00:47:57,931 these places were considered public. 790 00:48:04,344 --> 00:48:07,000 The door came off its hinges 791 00:48:07,137 --> 00:48:10,862 and flew onto the bed where I was sleeping. 792 00:48:11,965 --> 00:48:16,862 With a policeman screaming at me to get up and get out. 793 00:48:18,965 --> 00:48:23,379 I remember the police insulting us, calling us "faggots." 794 00:48:23,482 --> 00:48:26,931 And I thought to myself: "I'm not doing anything wrong." 795 00:48:27,034 --> 00:48:31,034 Whatever officer, he put his head in and he yelled out: 796 00:48:31,137 --> 00:48:35,172 "You're lucky there's no gas in the showers." 797 00:48:37,655 --> 00:48:40,965 They called this investigation Operation Soap 798 00:48:41,068 --> 00:48:43,896 because they wanted to clean up the city. 799 00:48:44,034 --> 00:48:48,000 It was really meant to morally judge the queers 800 00:48:48,103 --> 00:48:51,241 and to condemn that sex as being dirty 801 00:48:51,379 --> 00:48:52,896 and somehow a threat. 802 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,068 You know, I was one of 36 men who were actually found guilty 803 00:48:58,172 --> 00:49:00,931 out of 288 who were charged. 804 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,724 As a result of that night, two men took their own lives. 805 00:49:08,931 --> 00:49:12,827 This was one of the largest mass arrests in Canadian history. 806 00:49:12,931 --> 00:49:16,172 We see this sort of trajectory that our community was on 807 00:49:16,275 --> 00:49:17,896 toward human rights, 808 00:49:17,965 --> 00:49:20,551 but also toward sexual liberation 809 00:49:20,655 --> 00:49:23,862 and this reaction, this violent reaction 810 00:49:23,965 --> 00:49:28,034 that comes from, you know, the moral reformers in the city, 811 00:49:28,103 --> 00:49:30,793 but also from the Toronto police, 812 00:49:30,896 --> 00:49:34,310 to try to, you know, push us back into the closet. 813 00:49:34,448 --> 00:49:36,275 Gay rights now! 814 00:49:39,344 --> 00:49:42,724 The next night, thousands poured into the streets. 815 00:49:42,793 --> 00:49:46,068 That was a real experience for people in a demonstration. 816 00:49:46,137 --> 00:49:47,931 It had never been like that before. 817 00:49:48,068 --> 00:49:50,862 Gays fight back! Gays fight back! 818 00:49:50,965 --> 00:49:54,068 As we walked up towards Yonge and Wellesley, 819 00:49:54,172 --> 00:49:59,103 you could see more and more queers and lesbians and drag... 820 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,758 coming out. 821 00:50:01,827 --> 00:50:05,793 And by the time we got to Yonge and Wellesley, it felt enormous. 822 00:50:05,896 --> 00:50:07,793 Gays fight back! 823 00:50:07,931 --> 00:50:10,689 Gays fight back! Gays fight back! 824 00:50:12,275 --> 00:50:15,793 We expected 300 people. I think we got 3,000. 825 00:50:15,931 --> 00:50:17,689 That gives you the courage to carry on. 826 00:50:17,793 --> 00:50:20,034 There are people behind you. You're not alone. 827 00:50:20,137 --> 00:50:22,068 All of these things are really important 828 00:50:22,137 --> 00:50:24,137 in terms of the development of the movement. 829 00:50:24,275 --> 00:50:27,965 Chris got up, and she starts with: 830 00:50:28,068 --> 00:50:30,241 "No more shit. No more shit." 831 00:50:30,310 --> 00:50:33,931 No more shit! No more shit! 832 00:50:34,034 --> 00:50:35,620 No more shit! 833 00:50:35,724 --> 00:50:38,137 We're overflowing out onto Yonge Street 834 00:50:38,241 --> 00:50:42,034 in the opposite direction to where we'd intended to go, 835 00:50:42,137 --> 00:50:43,931 to head down toward 52 Division, 836 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,137 where so many of them had been processed the night before. 837 00:50:50,344 --> 00:50:51,827 So the major slogan 838 00:50:51,931 --> 00:50:55,103 that had spontaneously emerged in the crowd was: 839 00:50:55,241 --> 00:50:56,103 "Fuck you, 52." 840 00:50:56,241 --> 00:50:58,793 Fuck you, 52! Fuck you, 52! 841 00:50:58,931 --> 00:51:01,275 They were responsible for the raids. 842 00:51:01,379 --> 00:51:02,689 And so, "Fuck You, 52," 843 00:51:02,793 --> 00:51:05,000 became a real focus for the anger, 844 00:51:05,137 --> 00:51:08,344 because that's where this thing had started. 845 00:51:08,448 --> 00:51:12,862 No more shit! No more shit! No more shit! 846 00:51:14,241 --> 00:51:18,172 Don't be afraid of violence and anger! 847 00:51:18,275 --> 00:51:21,379 Protect yourself and keep fighting! 848 00:51:23,103 --> 00:51:26,689 It felt frightening to be in the protest. 849 00:51:26,827 --> 00:51:29,379 You didn't know what kind of level of violence 850 00:51:29,517 --> 00:51:30,689 was going to take place. 851 00:51:30,793 --> 00:51:34,034 Everyone who chose to be on that street at that time 852 00:51:34,137 --> 00:51:38,689 had to kind of dig into a level of courage. 853 00:51:39,793 --> 00:51:42,034 You'd think that something 854 00:51:42,137 --> 00:51:45,896 that had required so much police person power... 855 00:51:48,344 --> 00:51:51,103 would have to have some sort of political support 856 00:51:51,206 --> 00:51:53,000 from farther up. 857 00:51:55,551 --> 00:51:58,931 And then, almost as spontaneously, 858 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,551 people said: "Queen's Park." 859 00:52:22,137 --> 00:52:25,068 There were a series of other demonstrations that took place 860 00:52:25,172 --> 00:52:28,482 over that winter and spring right into June. 861 00:52:34,103 --> 00:52:36,724 One of the most important moments was when Lemona Johnson, 862 00:52:36,827 --> 00:52:38,448 who was the widow of Albert Johnson, 863 00:52:38,551 --> 00:52:41,344 who had been gunned down by the police 864 00:52:41,448 --> 00:52:44,758 in his own home in front of his kids, 865 00:52:44,896 --> 00:52:46,275 I think a year before, 866 00:52:46,379 --> 00:52:48,068 she actually spoke. 867 00:52:48,172 --> 00:52:50,241 A Jamaican immigrant talking about 868 00:52:50,344 --> 00:52:52,931 what was happening to the Black community. 869 00:52:53,034 --> 00:52:57,344 Raids and arrests of members of this Toronto gay community 870 00:52:57,413 --> 00:53:02,758 is a further indication that the police force of this city 871 00:53:02,827 --> 00:53:07,137 is lacking in discipline and proper supervision. 872 00:53:12,931 --> 00:53:15,310 The police force in this city 873 00:53:15,448 --> 00:53:20,172 is being used as a political tool by politicians. 874 00:53:28,965 --> 00:53:30,517 The outcome of this 875 00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:32,344 extraordinary grassroots response 876 00:53:32,448 --> 00:53:34,000 was 80% acquittals, 877 00:53:34,103 --> 00:53:37,482 unprecedented in terms of activism and fighting back. 878 00:53:39,931 --> 00:53:42,000 This truly was our Stonewall. 879 00:53:46,275 --> 00:53:48,103 We were particularly shaped 880 00:53:48,206 --> 00:53:51,206 by the police attacks on our community, 881 00:53:51,310 --> 00:53:54,172 not uniquely, but profoundly. 882 00:53:54,310 --> 00:53:57,310 And that opened up doors to solidarity 883 00:53:57,413 --> 00:54:00,379 and working together with Black community, 884 00:54:00,482 --> 00:54:03,586 with other communities who suffered at the hands of police. 885 00:54:03,689 --> 00:54:06,068 This was truly a game changer. 886 00:54:13,413 --> 00:54:15,896 I came out in the early '80s, 887 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,137 at a time when the Black community 888 00:54:18,206 --> 00:54:22,034 was really organizing around police violence. 889 00:54:23,206 --> 00:54:24,344 As young activists, 890 00:54:24,448 --> 00:54:27,413 we had a vision for the kind of world we wanted to live in 891 00:54:27,551 --> 00:54:30,344 and really took it seriously that it was our responsibility 892 00:54:30,448 --> 00:54:32,517 to create that world. 893 00:54:32,586 --> 00:54:36,068 And so, we wanted a world that was free of homophobia. 894 00:54:36,172 --> 00:54:39,896 We wanted a world where Black queer people will be seen 895 00:54:40,034 --> 00:54:42,206 and recognized within Black struggle. 896 00:54:42,344 --> 00:54:44,620 And we also wanted a world where, 897 00:54:44,724 --> 00:54:47,034 within the larger queer community, 898 00:54:47,172 --> 00:54:50,241 issues of race and racism will be addressed. 899 00:54:50,344 --> 00:54:51,379 As we did this work, 900 00:54:51,517 --> 00:54:54,068 more and more, we were hearing from young Black people 901 00:54:54,172 --> 00:54:55,965 that they didn't have any place to go, 902 00:54:56,068 --> 00:54:59,034 that they didn't know where to show up. 903 00:54:59,137 --> 00:55:02,965 Dewson House was very much about the energy 904 00:55:03,068 --> 00:55:05,620 of the women who lived in that house, 905 00:55:05,758 --> 00:55:08,206 the women who owned the house. 906 00:55:08,275 --> 00:55:11,344 So there was Makeda, and then her partner Stephanie. 907 00:55:11,448 --> 00:55:15,310 Dewson House, I think for many of us, was ground zero. 908 00:55:15,448 --> 00:55:19,000 It is where not only we developed our politics 909 00:55:19,103 --> 00:55:20,275 around being queer, 910 00:55:20,379 --> 00:55:22,931 it was a place where people came to party. 911 00:55:23,068 --> 00:55:24,689 It's the place where Black lesbians 912 00:55:24,793 --> 00:55:26,137 who lived in Scarborough, 913 00:55:26,241 --> 00:55:28,448 who were closeted from Monday to Friday in their jobs 914 00:55:28,551 --> 00:55:29,965 and then their families 915 00:55:30,103 --> 00:55:31,275 on a Friday or Saturday night 916 00:55:31,379 --> 00:55:32,862 can come downtown to Dewson House 917 00:55:32,931 --> 00:55:34,482 and know that they would be welcome. 918 00:55:35,758 --> 00:55:37,586 You know, it was in the front room 919 00:55:37,655 --> 00:55:39,310 that I first heard Nina Simone, right? 920 00:55:39,448 --> 00:55:43,965 It was in that space where I first danced with another man. 921 00:55:44,068 --> 00:55:46,517 You know, it was in that space 922 00:55:46,620 --> 00:55:49,448 that Blackness and queerness 923 00:55:49,551 --> 00:55:53,068 and Caribbean-ness was normalized. 924 00:55:56,758 --> 00:55:59,448 I put an ad in the Body Politic 925 00:55:59,551 --> 00:56:02,551 for people who were interested in starting a group. 926 00:56:03,586 --> 00:56:07,172 And that was the beginning, for me, of Gay Asians Toronto. 927 00:56:09,724 --> 00:56:13,137 It was the first organization that was, 928 00:56:13,241 --> 00:56:18,137 you know, specifically looking at people who were not white. 929 00:56:19,344 --> 00:56:21,620 You know: "If you're white, you're all right. 930 00:56:21,724 --> 00:56:23,482 If you're brown, turn around." 931 00:56:25,517 --> 00:56:30,241 There just was no space for people of colour. 932 00:56:30,344 --> 00:56:33,758 At least that was my experience of it. 933 00:56:35,379 --> 00:56:38,620 In the summer of '82, they were actually trying to look for 934 00:56:38,724 --> 00:56:41,000 someone from Gay Asians Toronto 935 00:56:41,137 --> 00:56:43,689 to be a speaker at the Pride parade. 936 00:56:47,517 --> 00:56:50,551 And the parade went through Chinatown. 937 00:56:50,689 --> 00:56:53,344 And of course, as Gay Asians Toronto, 938 00:56:53,448 --> 00:56:56,206 we recruited in Chinatown. 939 00:56:56,344 --> 00:56:58,655 We put up posters in Chinatown. 940 00:56:58,758 --> 00:57:03,068 That was really very affirming for me, 941 00:57:03,172 --> 00:57:04,793 to be marching in a parade 942 00:57:04,896 --> 00:57:09,586 where people all around you were cheering you, you know. 943 00:57:09,689 --> 00:57:12,413 And so like: "Hello, here I am!" 944 00:57:16,379 --> 00:57:20,517 For most of them who hasn't really come out, like myself, 945 00:57:20,620 --> 00:57:23,275 it was really a groundbreaking thing. 946 00:57:23,379 --> 00:57:26,068 And I think that was actually the first time 947 00:57:26,206 --> 00:57:30,068 that I feel really proud of my own community. 948 00:57:30,172 --> 00:57:34,724 To have that courage to break through those barriers. 949 00:57:56,344 --> 00:58:00,172 The '70s and early '80s were a time of enormous growth 950 00:58:00,241 --> 00:58:02,758 and organization in queer communities. 951 00:58:02,827 --> 00:58:07,310 And then out of left field, people started getting sick. 952 00:58:09,827 --> 00:58:12,310 Strange cancers were occurring 953 00:58:12,448 --> 00:58:15,482 in otherwise healthy young gay men. 954 00:58:17,931 --> 00:58:20,172 I was brought in to do support services, 955 00:58:20,275 --> 00:58:22,034 which was basically helping 956 00:58:22,137 --> 00:58:24,413 really young, scared gay men die. 957 00:58:24,482 --> 00:58:26,172 That was basically the job. 958 00:58:32,379 --> 00:58:33,517 I had no idea. 959 00:58:33,620 --> 00:58:36,586 I thought for sure if they could send a man to the moon, 960 00:58:36,689 --> 00:58:39,482 they would have AIDS done by September. 961 00:58:39,586 --> 00:58:43,310 I spent my next 30 years working in HIV and AIDS. 962 00:58:45,448 --> 00:58:47,379 Some people thought it was poppers, right? 963 00:58:47,482 --> 00:58:48,517 Or they didn't like poppers. 964 00:58:48,655 --> 00:58:49,827 Other people said it was, like, 965 00:58:49,965 --> 00:58:51,655 too much sex, drugs and rock and roll, 966 00:58:51,758 --> 00:58:53,275 just too much sex in general. 967 00:58:53,344 --> 00:58:56,241 Right? Christian fundamentalists said it was God's retaliation, 968 00:58:56,310 --> 00:58:59,586 God's punishment for sinfulness, right? 969 00:58:59,689 --> 00:59:02,655 The reaction to the pandemic, the AIDS pandemic, 970 00:59:02,758 --> 00:59:06,620 by the straight world was shocking in that context. 971 00:59:06,724 --> 00:59:09,344 The fact that they didn't care, 972 00:59:09,413 --> 00:59:13,448 even openly on some areas of the religious right, 973 00:59:13,551 --> 00:59:16,206 and others almost celebrated it. 974 00:59:16,310 --> 00:59:19,206 We were dealing with end stage of AIDS 975 00:59:19,344 --> 00:59:21,344 of our friends, our lovers, 976 00:59:21,448 --> 00:59:24,551 whether they were Indigenous or non-Indigenous. 977 00:59:24,655 --> 00:59:29,379 So it was that stigma, that fear of AIDS, 978 00:59:29,482 --> 00:59:32,551 the isolation and the segregation. 979 00:59:32,655 --> 00:59:34,724 And we were going to palliative care wards. 980 00:59:34,827 --> 00:59:37,551 You know, we were arranging funerals 981 00:59:37,689 --> 00:59:39,448 or cremations for our friends 982 00:59:39,551 --> 00:59:43,965 without any support from our families or their families. 983 00:59:44,068 --> 00:59:47,344 It was that toxic combination 984 00:59:47,448 --> 00:59:53,413 of political negligence and criminal indifference. 985 00:59:53,551 --> 00:59:55,896 Finally, I bid you pray for the dying... 986 00:59:56,965 --> 00:59:59,758 for those who have to die alone... 987 01:00:02,931 --> 01:00:05,413 for those who are afraid to die... 988 01:00:06,758 --> 01:00:08,862 and for those who cannot wait to die. 989 01:00:08,965 --> 01:00:10,655 I mean, that was a real wake-up 990 01:00:10,758 --> 01:00:13,551 for those of us who had already been infected at that point, 991 01:00:13,689 --> 01:00:15,344 but also in the gay community, 992 01:00:15,448 --> 01:00:17,517 that they were willing to just sit around 993 01:00:17,620 --> 01:00:19,344 and wait for us to die off, 994 01:00:19,413 --> 01:00:23,448 and then straight people and the world would be safe. 995 01:00:23,551 --> 01:00:25,344 The food was left outside my door. 996 01:00:25,448 --> 01:00:28,241 I had to get out of my bed to get the food. 997 01:00:28,379 --> 01:00:29,689 Almost nobody came in, 998 01:00:29,793 --> 01:00:33,655 and if they came in, they were in masks and gowns and gloves 999 01:00:33,758 --> 01:00:38,241 and spent as little time as they could in the room. 1000 01:00:42,379 --> 01:00:46,551 The nurses, the orderlies, the doctors, 1001 01:00:46,655 --> 01:00:50,379 all of them treated me like I was a leper 1002 01:00:50,482 --> 01:00:52,551 back in the biblical times. 1003 01:00:57,482 --> 01:01:00,344 I remember the first time sitting there getting a call 1004 01:01:00,448 --> 01:01:01,448 from somebody who says: 1005 01:01:01,551 --> 01:01:02,724 "I can't bury my lover. 1006 01:01:02,793 --> 01:01:04,965 No funeral home will take his body." 1007 01:01:08,862 --> 01:01:10,413 And so we said: 1008 01:01:10,482 --> 01:01:13,758 "We need an organization that takes on those issues." 1009 01:01:13,862 --> 01:01:15,655 And we could speak truth to power. 1010 01:01:15,758 --> 01:01:17,413 We could say what needed to be said. 1011 01:01:17,517 --> 01:01:19,620 - What do we want? - AIDS action! 1012 01:01:19,758 --> 01:01:20,758 - When do we want it? - Now! 1013 01:01:20,862 --> 01:01:22,482 - What do we want? - AIDS action! 1014 01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:24,448 - When do we want it? - Now! 1015 01:01:24,551 --> 01:01:26,620 - What do we want? - AIDS action! 1016 01:01:26,758 --> 01:01:28,586 - When do we want it? - Now! 1017 01:01:28,655 --> 01:01:30,586 - What do we want? - AIDS action! 1018 01:01:30,655 --> 01:01:32,379 - When do we want it? - Now! 1019 01:01:32,448 --> 01:01:34,586 - What do we want? - AIDS action! 1020 01:01:34,655 --> 01:01:36,586 - When do we want it? - Now! 1021 01:01:36,655 --> 01:01:38,482 - What do we want? - AIDS action! 1022 01:01:38,620 --> 01:01:40,586 - When do we want it? - Now! 1023 01:01:40,689 --> 01:01:44,551 In 1989, the AIDS conference was scheduled for Montreal, 1024 01:01:44,655 --> 01:01:46,413 the first time in Canada. 1025 01:01:47,724 --> 01:01:50,034 And AIDS Action Now and Act Up New York 1026 01:01:50,137 --> 01:01:52,724 and a smaller group called Réaction Sida 1027 01:01:52,827 --> 01:01:56,931 decided that we needed to have an impact at this conference. 1028 01:01:58,655 --> 01:02:01,172 Not victims, not patients, 1029 01:02:01,275 --> 01:02:02,517 but people living with AIDS. 1030 01:02:02,655 --> 01:02:07,482 Not victims. Not patients. But people living with AIDS. 1031 01:02:07,586 --> 01:02:08,827 At this point, 1032 01:02:08,896 --> 01:02:11,931 these conferences were medical and scientific conferences. 1033 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,551 And if people with HIV appeared at all, 1034 01:02:14,655 --> 01:02:17,758 we appeared as kind of specimens and patients 1035 01:02:17,862 --> 01:02:19,034 and nothing much else. 1036 01:02:19,137 --> 01:02:21,482 And we decided that it was important 1037 01:02:21,551 --> 01:02:22,689 for our voices to be heard 1038 01:02:22,827 --> 01:02:26,344 as part of this political project that we were engaged in, 1039 01:02:26,482 --> 01:02:28,862 because nobody else was concerned 1040 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,827 with accessing experimental treatments. 1041 01:02:31,931 --> 01:02:36,068 History will recall, Mulroney did nothing at all. 1042 01:02:36,206 --> 01:02:40,448 History will recall, Mulroney did nothing at all. 1043 01:02:40,551 --> 01:02:42,551 We were out. 1044 01:02:42,655 --> 01:02:45,793 We had a group of maybe 200 people outside 1045 01:02:45,896 --> 01:02:47,655 in this demonstration. 1046 01:02:47,758 --> 01:02:49,689 And all of a sudden, I heard this ruckus behind me 1047 01:02:49,793 --> 01:02:51,724 and turned around to see what was going on, 1048 01:02:51,827 --> 01:02:53,034 and it was the Act Up guys, 1049 01:02:53,103 --> 01:02:56,793 who just had barged through the main gates to the Palais. 1050 01:02:59,068 --> 01:03:02,448 And so, all of a sudden, the entire crowd, 1051 01:03:02,586 --> 01:03:04,689 who didn't know what else to do, 1052 01:03:04,793 --> 01:03:08,103 decided: "Well, we better follow them, right?" 1053 01:03:08,206 --> 01:03:10,620 Silence equals death! 1054 01:03:12,137 --> 01:03:14,517 And we seized the stage. 1055 01:03:14,620 --> 01:03:17,758 We die, major profits! 1056 01:03:17,862 --> 01:03:23,068 We die, major profits! 1057 01:03:23,137 --> 01:03:27,448 This government has been criminally negligent. 1058 01:03:28,896 --> 01:03:31,689 People with AIDS have died in this country 1059 01:03:31,793 --> 01:03:34,137 without care and without treatment. 1060 01:03:36,137 --> 01:03:39,724 We got the message across to the conference organizers 1061 01:03:39,827 --> 01:03:42,000 that these conferences could not continue 1062 01:03:42,103 --> 01:03:44,862 unless people with AIDS were front and centre. 1063 01:03:44,931 --> 01:03:50,931 Release the drugs, stop the profiteering. 1064 01:03:51,034 --> 01:03:58,068 Release the drugs, stop the profiteering. 1065 01:04:08,206 --> 01:04:11,551 As AIDS progressed and as more and more people got ill, 1066 01:04:11,655 --> 01:04:13,000 then we began to see 1067 01:04:13,137 --> 01:04:17,758 that this was a kind of a sense of community loss, 1068 01:04:17,862 --> 01:04:21,206 communal loss that needed to be represented in some way. 1069 01:04:21,310 --> 01:04:23,517 And Michael Lynch formed a group 1070 01:04:23,655 --> 01:04:26,517 to put together an AIDS memorial. 1071 01:04:39,793 --> 01:04:42,482 It was very important to kind of mark the number of people 1072 01:04:42,620 --> 01:04:43,517 who were dying. 1073 01:04:43,655 --> 01:04:46,206 So this was an extraordinary thing to see. 1074 01:04:54,965 --> 01:04:56,827 I had an uncle who was gay. 1075 01:04:56,965 --> 01:05:00,724 I was 11 years old when he died. 1076 01:05:00,827 --> 01:05:03,103 What I grieve the most, actually, 1077 01:05:03,241 --> 01:05:05,000 is not having that gay uncle, 1078 01:05:05,103 --> 01:05:09,620 that gay mentor sort of take me through my teenage years, 1079 01:05:09,724 --> 01:05:11,965 my coming of age, moving to Toronto, 1080 01:05:12,068 --> 01:05:14,724 finding myself in our gay community. 1081 01:05:14,827 --> 01:05:17,068 I think I would have really benefited 1082 01:05:17,172 --> 01:05:19,241 had he still been around. 1083 01:05:21,862 --> 01:05:23,724 Sometimes I would go to Pride, 1084 01:05:23,827 --> 01:05:26,034 and it would feel like the universe 1085 01:05:26,103 --> 01:05:27,965 was Swiss cheese with holes in it, 1086 01:05:28,068 --> 01:05:31,551 like I would see the people who weren't there. 1087 01:05:31,655 --> 01:05:33,931 And there was a point where, maybe three years, 1088 01:05:34,034 --> 01:05:35,172 I couldn't go to Pride events 1089 01:05:35,241 --> 01:05:37,103 'cause I would only see the ghosts. 1090 01:05:43,724 --> 01:05:47,068 But I had this fantasy when I was a baby lesbian 1091 01:05:47,172 --> 01:05:49,206 about, you know, getting old with these guys 1092 01:05:49,275 --> 01:05:50,310 and the guys in my world. 1093 01:05:50,413 --> 01:05:51,931 And we'd have an old folks home, 1094 01:05:52,068 --> 01:05:54,655 and we'd have, you know, cute little people to take care of us 1095 01:05:54,724 --> 01:05:56,103 wearing French maid's outfits. 1096 01:05:56,206 --> 01:05:57,724 I don't know what I thought. 1097 01:05:57,827 --> 01:05:58,965 But it would be a community 1098 01:05:59,068 --> 01:06:02,068 that was growing old and growing grey together. 1099 01:06:03,517 --> 01:06:06,827 And all those people that I went dancing with when I came out, 1100 01:06:06,965 --> 01:06:08,172 they're dead. 1101 01:06:08,310 --> 01:06:09,965 Not just one or two. 1102 01:06:10,068 --> 01:06:12,000 They're all dead. 1103 01:06:12,103 --> 01:06:14,172 All dead. 1104 01:06:20,172 --> 01:06:23,344 Ultimately, the AIDS epidemic 1105 01:06:23,482 --> 01:06:26,896 decimated a significant number 1106 01:06:26,965 --> 01:06:30,551 of the most important leaders 1107 01:06:30,655 --> 01:06:35,103 of the gay movement here in Canada. 1108 01:06:38,896 --> 01:06:44,034 People I knew very well and was very close to and respected 1109 01:06:44,172 --> 01:06:49,034 and knew how powerful they had been in their contributions. 1110 01:06:49,137 --> 01:06:53,172 And many of them are forgotten, totally forgotten today. 1111 01:07:28,034 --> 01:07:31,862 When I ran for public office, of course, I realized 1112 01:07:31,965 --> 01:07:36,000 that it would be unthinkable for me at that point. 1113 01:07:36,103 --> 01:07:37,793 I squashed it. 1114 01:07:37,862 --> 01:07:40,655 But I was also absolutely determined 1115 01:07:40,724 --> 01:07:43,965 that while I at that point couldn't come out, 1116 01:07:44,068 --> 01:07:46,862 that I would do everything in my power 1117 01:07:46,965 --> 01:07:48,068 to fight for a world 1118 01:07:48,206 --> 01:07:51,689 in which people like me felt totally comfortable and free 1119 01:07:51,758 --> 01:07:54,034 to be who we are and to love who we love 1120 01:07:54,172 --> 01:07:56,827 and to have sex with who we wanted to have sex with. 1121 01:07:56,931 --> 01:07:59,034 And so from the time I was elected, I spoke out. 1122 01:07:59,137 --> 01:08:00,931 I want to ask the minister, 1123 01:08:01,068 --> 01:08:02,172 does he stand by the promise 1124 01:08:02,275 --> 01:08:05,310 that was made by his predecessor as Minister of Justice? 1125 01:08:05,448 --> 01:08:08,068 And if so, when will he finally move 1126 01:08:08,172 --> 01:08:11,379 to make equality a reality for Canadian gays and lesbians? 1127 01:08:11,482 --> 01:08:14,275 In '81, I moved an amendment to the Constitution of Canada 1128 01:08:14,413 --> 01:08:17,275 to include sexual orientation in the Charter of Rights, 1129 01:08:17,379 --> 01:08:19,310 which was kind of revolutionary back then. 1130 01:08:19,448 --> 01:08:21,551 Of course, my amendment was defeated 22 to 2, 1131 01:08:21,620 --> 01:08:23,137 crashing defeat. 1132 01:08:23,241 --> 01:08:28,413 Madam Speaker, this is not an amendment on sexual orientation. 1133 01:08:28,482 --> 01:08:32,931 This is an amendment on sexual deviation. 1134 01:08:33,034 --> 01:08:38,310 I am afraid that our society is becoming overly permissive. 1135 01:08:38,448 --> 01:08:43,068 We're at a point where sodomites, pedophiles, people who practice bestiality 1136 01:08:43,172 --> 01:08:45,517 are becoming our children's guardians. 1137 01:08:45,586 --> 01:08:47,103 I mean, really! 1138 01:08:47,206 --> 01:08:50,000 If they want to stay in the bedrooms of the nation, 1139 01:08:50,103 --> 01:08:52,206 let them stay in the bedrooms of the nation, 1140 01:08:52,275 --> 01:08:54,827 but Madam Speaker, never let us allow them 1141 01:08:54,931 --> 01:08:57,275 into our armed forces, our RCMP, 1142 01:08:57,379 --> 01:09:01,862 and we will work with them so they can stay silent. 1143 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,172 Three years later, 1144 01:09:03,275 --> 01:09:06,034 a parliamentary committee was established to hold hearings. 1145 01:09:06,137 --> 01:09:08,241 And I went to the prime minister then, 1146 01:09:08,344 --> 01:09:09,896 Brian Mulroney, and I said: 1147 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,793 "Look, you're gonna hold hearings on this section. 1148 01:09:12,896 --> 01:09:15,896 "Sexual orientation isn't in Section 15, 1149 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,034 "but I have a private member's bill 1150 01:09:19,137 --> 01:09:22,000 "to include sexual orientation in human rights legislation. 1151 01:09:22,103 --> 01:09:23,931 "I want you to let the committee, 1152 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,172 "as part of its hearings across the country, 1153 01:09:27,275 --> 01:09:30,206 deal with the issue of sexual orientation as well." 1154 01:09:30,344 --> 01:09:32,034 On March 4th of 1986, 1155 01:09:32,137 --> 01:09:34,482 John Crosby stood up in the House of Commons 1156 01:09:34,551 --> 01:09:36,241 and said the government accepts 1157 01:09:36,344 --> 01:09:38,310 the recommendations of the committee. 1158 01:09:38,413 --> 01:09:41,517 "The government will take whatever measures are necessary 1159 01:09:41,620 --> 01:09:43,137 "to ensure that sexual orientation 1160 01:09:43,241 --> 01:09:46,034 "is a prohibited ground of discrimination 1161 01:09:46,172 --> 01:09:49,620 in relation to all areas of federal jurisdiction." 1162 01:09:49,689 --> 01:09:51,172 This was 1986. 1163 01:09:51,275 --> 01:09:54,827 We were the only country in the world, in the world, 1164 01:09:54,965 --> 01:09:57,000 which actually had a constitution 1165 01:09:57,103 --> 01:10:00,310 that prohibited discrimination based on sexual orientation. 1166 01:10:00,413 --> 01:10:01,344 Good evening. 1167 01:10:01,448 --> 01:10:03,448 Never before in Canadian history 1168 01:10:03,551 --> 01:10:05,827 has a politician publicly declared 1169 01:10:05,931 --> 01:10:07,862 that he or she is a homosexual. 1170 01:10:07,965 --> 01:10:10,310 It has always been something whispered about, 1171 01:10:10,413 --> 01:10:11,931 a rumour, an innuendo. 1172 01:10:12,034 --> 01:10:14,241 But now, veteran MP Svend Robinson 1173 01:10:14,344 --> 01:10:17,379 has decided to break that political taboo. 1174 01:10:17,517 --> 01:10:19,586 What I'm telling Canadians, Barbara, 1175 01:10:19,689 --> 01:10:21,482 is that I'm a member of Parliament 1176 01:10:21,586 --> 01:10:23,000 who happens to be gay. 1177 01:10:23,103 --> 01:10:27,000 I'm, I suppose, saying, "So what?" to that. 1178 01:10:27,103 --> 01:10:28,137 But I'm also using this 1179 01:10:28,206 --> 01:10:30,310 as hopefully a means of telling Canadians 1180 01:10:30,413 --> 01:10:33,862 that there are many other gays and lesbians in this country 1181 01:10:33,965 --> 01:10:35,517 who are not able to live up to 1182 01:10:35,620 --> 01:10:37,586 their full potential as human beings, 1183 01:10:37,689 --> 01:10:39,344 who are subject to discrimination, 1184 01:10:39,448 --> 01:10:41,034 who can lose their jobs, 1185 01:10:41,137 --> 01:10:42,931 who can be thrown out of their homes, 1186 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,000 who can be the subject of violence. 1187 01:10:45,103 --> 01:10:48,137 And I guess it's a plea for understanding, for acceptance, 1188 01:10:48,241 --> 01:10:50,827 and for laws which will say that we as a society 1189 01:10:50,965 --> 01:10:53,172 don't tolerate this kind of discrimination. 1190 01:10:53,275 --> 01:10:56,827 I flew home to my constituency, as I did almost every weekend. 1191 01:10:56,931 --> 01:10:58,517 And Saturday morning, went into my office, 1192 01:10:58,620 --> 01:11:00,344 and it had been completely smashed to bits. 1193 01:11:00,448 --> 01:11:04,586 The windows smashed, hate literature there and so on. 1194 01:11:06,689 --> 01:11:08,413 I mean, I had death threats. 1195 01:11:08,517 --> 01:11:12,275 I had a bullet fired through my office window. 1196 01:11:13,724 --> 01:11:17,103 And it was a big, big reason for me coming out, 1197 01:11:17,206 --> 01:11:20,413 was to try to fight that hatred and to say to people: 1198 01:11:20,517 --> 01:11:25,586 "Yes, maybe you're gay, but that's a gift. 1199 01:11:25,689 --> 01:11:29,206 And nobody should take that away from you." 1200 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,965 In the early '80s, I was living in Winnipeg. 1201 01:11:52,068 --> 01:11:55,241 I had returned from Vancouver in 1983, 1202 01:11:55,379 --> 01:11:58,379 primarily because we had learned, you know, 1203 01:11:58,448 --> 01:12:01,517 the Indigenous gay men living in Vancouver, 1204 01:12:01,620 --> 01:12:03,620 that HIV was transmitted by a virus. 1205 01:12:03,689 --> 01:12:08,310 So I thought I could outrun HIV by coming back to Winnipeg. 1206 01:12:11,586 --> 01:12:17,379 When I came to the city, I met other youth, 1207 01:12:17,482 --> 01:12:21,103 young people that were struggling with their sexuality 1208 01:12:21,206 --> 01:12:23,448 and struggling trying to find themselves. 1209 01:12:23,551 --> 01:12:27,482 But I knew that if I stayed here and I hung out here 1210 01:12:27,620 --> 01:12:29,448 and I met enough people, 1211 01:12:29,517 --> 01:12:33,379 I would figure out what it was to be gay. 1212 01:12:36,172 --> 01:12:39,965 I have four names, but two are only public. 1213 01:12:40,068 --> 01:12:42,137 Only two of them are public. 1214 01:12:43,482 --> 01:12:46,448 ...is the woman that sits at the centre of Four Directions. 1215 01:12:46,551 --> 01:12:47,586 And... 1216 01:12:49,448 --> 01:12:53,000 ...is a second name that I carry. 1217 01:12:53,137 --> 01:12:57,586 And it means you're a helper. 1218 01:12:57,655 --> 01:12:59,275 I'm a helper. 1219 01:12:59,379 --> 01:13:05,068 My job is to help people, to help Mother Earth... 1220 01:13:06,551 --> 01:13:08,655 all creatures that are living. 1221 01:13:08,724 --> 01:13:11,344 I grew up in a little village in Northern Manitoba 1222 01:13:11,448 --> 01:13:12,344 called Cormorant. 1223 01:13:12,448 --> 01:13:13,586 Very early on, 1224 01:13:13,724 --> 01:13:17,448 I knew about 5, that I was different. 1225 01:13:17,551 --> 01:13:20,137 I was sort of magical in some way. 1226 01:13:24,275 --> 01:13:28,172 In 1990, we decided that we were going to host 1227 01:13:28,241 --> 01:13:29,689 a gathering in Winnipeg. 1228 01:13:29,827 --> 01:13:32,344 When we went to that land... 1229 01:13:32,413 --> 01:13:34,344 It's beautiful, beautiful land. 1230 01:13:35,689 --> 01:13:39,620 It was not gonna be a mainstream gathering, 1231 01:13:39,724 --> 01:13:42,620 a conference or anything like that. 1232 01:13:42,724 --> 01:13:45,551 It was going to be a gathering of nations. 1233 01:13:54,482 --> 01:13:56,034 Not too tight, you know. 1234 01:14:14,896 --> 01:14:17,448 We wanted to have ceremony 1235 01:14:17,586 --> 01:14:23,413 as the main part of what we were going to do. 1236 01:14:29,586 --> 01:14:34,551 A red-tailed hawk was flying above us in Beausejour. 1237 01:14:34,655 --> 01:14:36,344 It was a very hot day. 1238 01:14:37,689 --> 01:14:41,689 And to me, that was the sign. 1239 01:14:41,758 --> 01:14:45,482 That hawk revealed itself. 1240 01:14:53,689 --> 01:14:55,758 Myra came and told us... 1241 01:14:55,862 --> 01:14:58,448 While we were in a sharing circle, 1242 01:14:58,586 --> 01:14:59,482 she came and told us 1243 01:14:59,620 --> 01:15:01,862 that she had had this vision given to her, 1244 01:15:01,965 --> 01:15:04,310 and she was given this name 1245 01:15:04,413 --> 01:15:08,172 of who we were as gay and lesbian people. 1246 01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:11,310 They gave me the words Niizh manidoowag. 1247 01:15:11,413 --> 01:15:13,551 Niizh meaning two. 1248 01:15:14,655 --> 01:15:17,448 Manidoowag meaning spirit. 1249 01:15:17,551 --> 01:15:19,793 Manidoo would be one spirit. 1250 01:15:19,862 --> 01:15:21,758 Manidoowag is more than one. 1251 01:15:22,931 --> 01:15:26,206 So Niizh manidoowag is what they shared with me. 1252 01:15:27,448 --> 01:15:28,931 And... 1253 01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:36,344 they spoke with me in a way that was gentle and calm. 1254 01:15:37,827 --> 01:15:41,413 But it was also with a certain strictness 1255 01:15:41,517 --> 01:15:44,586 that you don't fool around with this. 1256 01:15:44,689 --> 01:15:46,413 You don't play with this. 1257 01:15:46,482 --> 01:15:48,655 This is sacred. 1258 01:15:52,862 --> 01:15:57,689 We opened a portal into the spiritual world 1259 01:15:57,793 --> 01:16:00,620 because we had followed those instructions 1260 01:16:00,724 --> 01:16:03,413 by our elders and our knowledge keepers 1261 01:16:03,551 --> 01:16:07,413 of how to petition the spiritual world for what we need. 1262 01:16:07,551 --> 01:16:11,586 And out of that portal came a name, Two-Spirit People. 1263 01:16:13,689 --> 01:16:14,793 That name went everywhere, 1264 01:16:14,931 --> 01:16:17,448 because everybody heard what she had visioned. 1265 01:16:19,551 --> 01:16:22,000 Naming or renaming or self-naming 1266 01:16:22,103 --> 01:16:23,827 is an act of liberation. 1267 01:16:43,896 --> 01:16:45,965 I felt strange sometimes. 1268 01:16:46,068 --> 01:16:48,241 Not only because of being gay, 1269 01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:51,275 but because of who I was, my background. 1270 01:16:52,586 --> 01:16:54,482 There was something missing. 1271 01:16:54,586 --> 01:16:56,793 I needed other Latinos there with me. 1272 01:16:58,620 --> 01:17:01,034 I would go to parties, and I'd see Samuel. 1273 01:17:01,137 --> 01:17:02,724 And Samuel was already out. 1274 01:17:02,862 --> 01:17:05,689 Samuel was the gayest Latino there was. 1275 01:17:05,793 --> 01:17:11,344 There was no way that we were going to be part of something 1276 01:17:11,448 --> 01:17:13,275 that we didn't belong to. 1277 01:17:13,379 --> 01:17:16,827 So we needed to create our own moment, 1278 01:17:16,931 --> 01:17:19,482 our own movement. 1279 01:17:21,965 --> 01:17:25,448 What was clearly needed is to have a group. 1280 01:17:25,517 --> 01:17:28,448 And then HOLA started. 1281 01:17:28,551 --> 01:17:29,862 At that time, 1282 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,000 it's when the immigration explodes. 1283 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,655 Homophobia is intense in Latin America. 1284 01:17:38,724 --> 01:17:41,758 It's a crime in some of those countries to be gay. 1285 01:17:41,827 --> 01:17:44,379 So, many people were fleeing. 1286 01:17:46,034 --> 01:17:49,620 And say, if your friend had arrived here, 1287 01:17:49,724 --> 01:17:53,344 the board of volunteers will help people, 1288 01:17:53,448 --> 01:17:55,862 go pick people up at the airport... 1289 01:17:57,724 --> 01:18:02,034 you know, give them shelter, you know, give them clothing, 1290 01:18:02,137 --> 01:18:03,896 winter coats, whatever, food, 1291 01:18:04,034 --> 01:18:07,689 take them to, you know, a lawyer, 1292 01:18:07,793 --> 01:18:10,827 help them go all the way to immigration. 1293 01:18:10,931 --> 01:18:13,827 Chabuka went to immigration a few times. 1294 01:18:13,931 --> 01:18:14,862 I went there. 1295 01:18:16,724 --> 01:18:21,586 In drag, I went to immigration to help people. 1296 01:18:28,103 --> 01:18:31,379 Marching with Grupo HOLA, the first time... 1297 01:18:34,068 --> 01:18:36,620 We were apprehensive. 1298 01:18:36,724 --> 01:18:38,827 We were, of course, afraid. 1299 01:18:39,965 --> 01:18:41,655 But it was time. 1300 01:18:41,758 --> 01:18:44,586 Laugh, enjoy 1301 01:18:44,689 --> 01:18:47,517 Life is beautiful 1302 01:18:47,620 --> 01:18:50,586 Live, sing. 1303 01:19:04,137 --> 01:19:06,482 There was a lot of us. 1304 01:19:06,586 --> 01:19:08,827 And there was solidarity. 1305 01:19:08,965 --> 01:19:11,206 There was care. 1306 01:19:11,310 --> 01:19:13,482 There was laughter. There was fun. 1307 01:19:13,586 --> 01:19:16,931 There was love. There was camaraderie. 1308 01:19:19,034 --> 01:19:22,517 My heart was beating, marching. 1309 01:19:22,620 --> 01:19:24,482 And it was emotional, uh... 1310 01:19:34,344 --> 01:19:36,551 Just to be free... 1311 01:19:37,862 --> 01:19:40,862 and just be ourselves. 1312 01:20:13,724 --> 01:20:15,965 When I started doing my parties, 1313 01:20:16,068 --> 01:20:18,827 it was right in the middle of the whole AIDS crisis. 1314 01:20:18,931 --> 01:20:23,068 My primary goal was to try and make sex positive 1315 01:20:23,172 --> 01:20:26,206 and good and sexy. 1316 01:20:27,655 --> 01:20:31,655 I went to the party, from what I remember, two times. 1317 01:20:31,758 --> 01:20:34,482 I just remember it was very underground. 1318 01:20:34,551 --> 01:20:37,724 You know, we were in a special place. 1319 01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,758 It was a space that was free of prejudice, 1320 01:20:42,827 --> 01:20:43,827 free of judgment. 1321 01:20:43,896 --> 01:20:47,068 We could just dance and feel beautiful. 1322 01:20:49,275 --> 01:20:51,793 Nicolas tapped me on the shoulder and said: 1323 01:20:51,862 --> 01:20:54,689 "Listen, I think we're gonna be raided." 1324 01:20:54,793 --> 01:20:58,655 We just, you know, got our stuff together and ran out the door, 1325 01:20:58,758 --> 01:21:01,931 ran out the window, jumped out the window and hid. 1326 01:21:04,206 --> 01:21:06,241 They basically came in, 1327 01:21:06,379 --> 01:21:09,000 a bunch of them with flashlights. 1328 01:21:09,068 --> 01:21:12,172 A lot of the policemen had removed their badges, 1329 01:21:12,241 --> 01:21:14,896 which is definitely a warning sign. 1330 01:21:19,206 --> 01:21:22,586 People reacted very quickly. 1331 01:21:22,724 --> 01:21:26,068 Go away, fascist cops! 1332 01:21:27,241 --> 01:21:30,758 There was a big protest outside of the police station, 1333 01:21:30,862 --> 01:21:34,103 the ones that were responsible for the raid. 1334 01:21:34,206 --> 01:21:35,724 - Pas de violence! - No! 1335 01:21:35,827 --> 01:21:37,103 - Pas de violence! - No! 1336 01:21:37,206 --> 01:21:39,206 - Pas de violence! - No! 1337 01:21:40,724 --> 01:21:43,103 The police, they taunted people. 1338 01:21:43,241 --> 01:21:44,931 They used their batons 1339 01:21:45,034 --> 01:21:48,034 and made reference to, like, dicks, 1340 01:21:48,137 --> 01:21:50,862 and they would say: "Come suck my dick." 1341 01:21:50,965 --> 01:21:53,793 We're here, we're queer, and so are some of you! 1342 01:21:53,896 --> 01:21:56,517 We're here, we're queer, and so are some of you! 1343 01:21:56,586 --> 01:21:59,793 We're here, we're queer, and so are some of you! 1344 01:21:59,896 --> 01:22:02,896 We're here, we're queer, and so are some of you! 1345 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,068 We're here, we're queer, and so are some of you! 1346 01:22:06,137 --> 01:22:07,689 We're here, we're queer... 1347 01:22:07,793 --> 01:22:09,896 Pas de violence! 1348 01:22:51,344 --> 01:22:53,275 Fascist! 1349 01:22:59,413 --> 01:23:04,413 Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame! 1350 01:23:10,793 --> 01:23:12,206 Shame, shame, shame! 1351 01:23:12,344 --> 01:23:15,965 I remember my friend standing in front of the crowd 1352 01:23:16,068 --> 01:23:18,172 and crying and showing his bruises and saying: 1353 01:23:18,275 --> 01:23:20,068 "Look at what they did to me." 1354 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,241 Every social movement is like this. 1355 01:23:25,379 --> 01:23:28,206 People get brutalized by the police. 1356 01:23:29,310 --> 01:23:32,068 Sex Garage was about the activism 1357 01:23:32,172 --> 01:23:33,344 that came out of it. 1358 01:23:33,413 --> 01:23:35,068 As marginalized people, 1359 01:23:35,206 --> 01:23:38,206 we wouldn't take that shit anymore. 1360 01:23:38,344 --> 01:23:41,206 The 1990 raid on the Sex Garage 1361 01:23:41,310 --> 01:23:46,517 really set the precedent for establishing Pride in Montreal. 1362 01:23:47,896 --> 01:23:50,000 This is seen as this major turning point 1363 01:23:50,103 --> 01:23:52,965 in the history of the city for the queer community, 1364 01:23:53,034 --> 01:23:56,034 and it really revealed to our community 1365 01:23:56,172 --> 01:23:58,241 that the fight wasn't over. 1366 01:24:08,413 --> 01:24:10,172 Officer! 1367 01:24:13,793 --> 01:24:18,310 I remember walking up Church Street 1368 01:24:18,413 --> 01:24:22,103 sometime in the mid to late 1990s, 1369 01:24:22,241 --> 01:24:24,172 seeing the police at Pride 1370 01:24:24,275 --> 01:24:28,275 and being, like, really taken aback. 1371 01:24:28,379 --> 01:24:30,793 I was, like, just really taken aback by it, 1372 01:24:30,931 --> 01:24:33,068 and I was like: "What is happening?" 1373 01:24:41,413 --> 01:24:43,482 It's about to come to an end. 1374 01:24:43,586 --> 01:24:45,793 They're going to take it over. 1375 01:24:45,931 --> 01:24:48,379 Pride is going to morph into something 1376 01:24:48,482 --> 01:24:51,241 that we will soon not be able to recognize. 1377 01:25:00,137 --> 01:25:05,172 What we saw is a simultaneous policing 1378 01:25:05,310 --> 01:25:10,034 of what queer life and possibility 1379 01:25:10,172 --> 01:25:12,206 and expression should look like. 1380 01:25:16,275 --> 01:25:18,206 Folks that were not Black, queer, and trans 1381 01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:20,172 were not thinking that police were an issue. 1382 01:25:20,275 --> 01:25:23,000 There were a lot of people who felt safe around police. 1383 01:25:23,103 --> 01:25:25,000 And because they felt safe around police, 1384 01:25:25,137 --> 01:25:26,896 "We won't listen to you Black folks 1385 01:25:27,034 --> 01:25:29,034 when you're talking about police issues," right? 1386 01:25:29,137 --> 01:25:31,344 So there was often... Folks felt that erasure. 1387 01:25:31,448 --> 01:25:33,000 Folks were really upset 1388 01:25:33,103 --> 01:25:37,413 and folks wanted somebody to say something. 1389 01:25:46,241 --> 01:25:47,965 Sumaya's life matters! 1390 01:25:48,034 --> 01:25:49,344 Sumaya's life matters! 1391 01:25:49,448 --> 01:25:51,172 Philando's life matters! 1392 01:25:51,275 --> 01:25:53,482 Black Lives Matter, they were the honoured group. 1393 01:25:53,586 --> 01:25:55,862 They were leading the parade that year. 1394 01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,448 Black lives matter! 1395 01:25:57,551 --> 01:25:59,344 It was the first pride 1396 01:25:59,448 --> 01:26:02,172 that a prime minister was marching in the parade. 1397 01:26:02,241 --> 01:26:06,034 And so Justin Trudeau was marching in his linen outfit, 1398 01:26:06,103 --> 01:26:07,482 and he was ready to go. 1399 01:26:07,586 --> 01:26:10,413 And everything had to move smoothly. 1400 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,172 There were snipers on the roof. 1401 01:26:15,241 --> 01:26:17,379 The level of, like, police presence 1402 01:26:17,482 --> 01:26:19,068 was at an all-time high. 1403 01:26:23,275 --> 01:26:26,896 I was part of the Black Lives Matter contingent 1404 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,586 who marched at the front of the parade. 1405 01:26:33,758 --> 01:26:36,620 So many young Black people 1406 01:26:36,724 --> 01:26:40,275 just in all of their full glory. 1407 01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:43,965 We had to do a lot of work behind the scenes 1408 01:26:44,068 --> 01:26:45,103 to be like: "Trust us, y'all. 1409 01:26:45,241 --> 01:26:46,896 We're not just going to, we're not..." 1410 01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,206 We were like: "No, if we're going to do this, 1411 01:26:49,310 --> 01:26:50,482 it's gonna be an action." 1412 01:26:50,586 --> 01:26:52,931 ide Toronto! 1413 01:26:53,034 --> 01:26:58,206 We are calling you out for your anti-Blackness! 1414 01:26:58,275 --> 01:27:00,172 Your anti-Indigeneity! 1415 01:27:00,275 --> 01:27:03,000 We will not be moved! 1416 01:27:03,137 --> 01:27:07,137 I don't think we have much to be proud about. 1417 01:27:07,241 --> 01:27:10,482 I don't think this is a cause for celebration! 1418 01:27:10,586 --> 01:27:13,241 Garbage! Assholes. Racist bastards! 1419 01:27:13,310 --> 01:27:15,034 Oh, boo! 1420 01:27:15,137 --> 01:27:18,310 The only time I've ever heard this 1421 01:27:18,379 --> 01:27:22,448 was from a community who should understand what it feels like to be oppressed. 1422 01:27:22,551 --> 01:27:25,586 We fought for you. We threw bricks for you. 1423 01:27:25,689 --> 01:27:27,413 We got locked up for you! 1424 01:27:27,482 --> 01:27:29,448 And so we created the demands, 1425 01:27:29,517 --> 01:27:33,551 and it was deliberate that we chose 8 demands about Pride 1426 01:27:33,655 --> 01:27:35,344 and one about the police, 1427 01:27:35,482 --> 01:27:36,517 because let's be honest, 1428 01:27:36,620 --> 01:27:38,586 people were going to focus on the one. 1429 01:27:38,655 --> 01:27:41,517 Everyone in this space, sit down! 1430 01:27:41,620 --> 01:27:44,137 Stopping the parade for us 1431 01:27:44,241 --> 01:27:46,275 didn't mean Pride would not happen. 1432 01:27:46,344 --> 01:27:48,344 In fact, it would bring back Pride 1433 01:27:48,482 --> 01:27:50,310 to its roots of direct action, 1434 01:27:50,448 --> 01:27:53,310 of spontaneous action, of people-led action. 1435 01:28:06,379 --> 01:28:09,206 It started out that Prides 1436 01:28:09,310 --> 01:28:11,448 were a way of winning visibility 1437 01:28:11,551 --> 01:28:14,068 for fairly concrete demands. 1438 01:28:14,206 --> 01:28:15,689 The first pride that I went to 1439 01:28:15,758 --> 01:28:18,793 was calling for the inclusion of sexual orientation 1440 01:28:18,896 --> 01:28:20,379 in the human rights code. 1441 01:28:23,241 --> 01:28:25,068 When you look at Pride, 1442 01:28:25,172 --> 01:28:27,206 you really see what we fought for. 1443 01:28:32,586 --> 01:28:34,172 Who we became. 1444 01:28:40,517 --> 01:28:43,517 How we grew as a community. 1445 01:28:58,620 --> 01:29:01,620 And what we lost along the way. 1446 01:29:05,655 --> 01:29:08,586 Watching that evolution over decades... 1447 01:29:08,689 --> 01:29:11,724 Inevitably, we would see that collision 1448 01:29:11,827 --> 01:29:16,206 around conservative politics, conservative assimilationist, 1449 01:29:16,275 --> 01:29:20,241 and the sort of community-based liberation politics. 1450 01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:35,793 If you're a trans high school student 1451 01:29:35,896 --> 01:29:38,620 or you're a queer racialized person, 1452 01:29:38,724 --> 01:29:42,310 you might not have access to these victories, 1453 01:29:42,413 --> 01:29:44,379 these gains that we've made. 1454 01:29:44,482 --> 01:29:45,620 You may not. 1455 01:29:45,724 --> 01:29:48,310 The kind of work that we should be doing 1456 01:29:48,448 --> 01:29:50,793 has to do with broadening out the notion 1457 01:29:50,896 --> 01:29:52,724 of what our movement is about. 1458 01:30:09,275 --> 01:30:13,275 Right now, the debate is about trans youth. 1459 01:30:13,379 --> 01:30:16,724 I follow it closely because I was a trans youth. 1460 01:30:16,793 --> 01:30:21,344 I can't believe somebody would oppose what I was doing. 1461 01:30:21,448 --> 01:30:23,724 For me, it was completely the opposite. 1462 01:30:23,827 --> 01:30:26,206 My family supported me. 1463 01:30:28,379 --> 01:30:33,310 I first came out as a young queer kid. 1464 01:30:33,413 --> 01:30:35,793 And then when I got to be a little bit older, 1465 01:30:35,896 --> 01:30:38,275 I realized there was a bit more going on. 1466 01:30:38,379 --> 01:30:40,517 I wanted to be able to look in the mirror 1467 01:30:40,620 --> 01:30:42,137 and see myself looking back. 1468 01:30:42,275 --> 01:30:43,793 That was so important to me. 1469 01:30:45,241 --> 01:30:48,241 So there I was, realizing that I was trans, 1470 01:30:48,344 --> 01:30:49,620 and so I came out again. 1471 01:30:49,689 --> 01:30:53,586 I think that for some of us, there is... 1472 01:30:55,344 --> 01:30:58,344 a sense of being at home everywhere you go. 1473 01:30:58,482 --> 01:31:01,689 For some of us, everywhere is your living room. 1474 01:31:01,793 --> 01:31:03,275 And for the rest of us, 1475 01:31:03,379 --> 01:31:05,689 unfortunately, that's not the case. 1476 01:31:05,758 --> 01:31:09,344 Leave our kids alone! 1477 01:31:24,586 --> 01:31:27,931 Protect trans kids! 1478 01:31:31,413 --> 01:31:34,413 Protect trans kids! Protect trans kids! 1479 01:31:37,344 --> 01:31:38,551 It is a time to stand up, 1480 01:31:38,655 --> 01:31:41,517 and I'm really proud of those youth around the world 1481 01:31:41,620 --> 01:31:44,620 who are standing up to this patriarchy, 1482 01:31:44,724 --> 01:31:46,586 to this fascism. 1483 01:31:46,689 --> 01:31:51,344 Love is louder! 1484 01:31:51,448 --> 01:31:54,758 I'm thinking about the young who, if the laws change, 1485 01:31:54,862 --> 01:31:58,758 if their rights are once again taken away... 1486 01:31:59,827 --> 01:32:01,620 I won't be here to see it. 1487 01:32:01,758 --> 01:32:04,758 It could happen. I hope it doesn't. 1488 01:32:04,862 --> 01:32:10,724 I don't want them to go through what I went through. No. No. 1489 01:32:10,827 --> 01:32:14,275 Protect trans kids! 1490 01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:22,793 My granddaughter is also homosexual. 1491 01:32:22,931 --> 01:32:25,551 She will suffer if the times change. 1492 01:32:25,655 --> 01:32:28,310 Do you think a boy is a girl? 1493 01:32:28,413 --> 01:32:30,758 What does it matter to you? 1494 01:32:35,758 --> 01:32:39,758 It's like we did 3 steps forward, 1495 01:32:39,862 --> 01:32:44,793 and now this million for children 1496 01:32:44,896 --> 01:32:47,793 is bringing us so far behind. 1497 01:32:49,551 --> 01:32:52,586 The same people who wouldn't visit their sons 1498 01:32:52,655 --> 01:32:54,448 when they were dying from AIDS 1499 01:32:54,586 --> 01:32:57,724 are back forming committees to protect their children, 1500 01:32:57,793 --> 01:32:59,586 to ban books. 1501 01:33:01,172 --> 01:33:03,689 And the backlash is upon us. 1502 01:33:06,689 --> 01:33:10,482 History matters because of what it can do for us today. 1503 01:33:12,137 --> 01:33:16,068 The fights maybe are in very different places 1504 01:33:16,172 --> 01:33:18,551 than they were 50 years ago, 1505 01:33:18,689 --> 01:33:23,758 but the necessity to fight is as urgent now as it was then. 1506 01:33:31,482 --> 01:33:33,862 Phobia is about not knowing. 1507 01:33:34,931 --> 01:33:39,827 Hate is about not knowing anything about real life. 1508 01:33:41,586 --> 01:33:44,931 If Niizh manidoowag could spread like wildfire, 1509 01:33:45,034 --> 01:33:47,482 why can't peace, love and respect? 1510 01:33:48,655 --> 01:33:50,724 That's my question to the world. 1511 01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,551 Love is louder! 1512 01:34:18,241 --> 01:34:20,137 Closed Captions: MELS 111944

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