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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:07,215 --> 00:00:12,303 [quiet, ominous music fades in] 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:14,180 --> 00:00:15,265 [dramatic note plays] 5 00:00:16,057 --> 00:00:20,186 [woman] February of 2005. I will never forget that day. 6 00:00:21,229 --> 00:00:26,067 I was 26, and I was so sick of the snow and the ice in Michigan. 7 00:00:27,402 --> 00:00:29,112 I was substitute teaching. 8 00:00:29,195 --> 00:00:32,407 I didn't like driving in the snow, so I'd stayed home. 9 00:00:33,908 --> 00:00:36,870 Like around noon, I'm just kind of waking up, 10 00:00:36,953 --> 00:00:39,497 and I looked outside my blinds, 11 00:00:39,581 --> 00:00:42,709 and there's this odd car parked behind the apartment. 12 00:00:42,792 --> 00:00:44,169 And it wouldn't leave. 13 00:00:45,170 --> 00:00:47,422 All of a sudden, there was a knock at my door. 14 00:00:47,505 --> 00:00:48,590 [knocking echoes] 15 00:00:48,673 --> 00:00:51,676 Dad had ingrained in me "stranger danger." 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,762 Make them prove to you who they are. 17 00:00:53,845 --> 00:00:55,722 [door opens] 18 00:00:55,805 --> 00:00:58,683 And so I cracked the door, and I put my foot in it. 19 00:00:58,767 --> 00:01:01,269 I'm like, "Well, maybe I can stop him from coming in." 20 00:01:01,352 --> 00:01:03,480 He's like, "I need to question you." 21 00:01:03,563 --> 00:01:05,899 So I'm like, "What is going on?" 22 00:01:06,399 --> 00:01:08,651 He's like, "Have you heard of BTK?" 23 00:01:08,735 --> 00:01:10,403 [intense music playing] 24 00:01:10,487 --> 00:01:14,240 An individual who has the uncontrollable desire to kill. 25 00:01:16,284 --> 00:01:18,328 [anchor] A community in shock over the arrest 26 00:01:18,411 --> 00:01:21,247 of the suspected so-called BTK killer. 27 00:01:21,998 --> 00:01:25,502 [man] BTK. Bind, torture, and kill. 28 00:01:26,169 --> 00:01:29,005 And then he goes, "Your dad is BTK." 29 00:01:30,256 --> 00:01:32,133 -[anchor 1] Dennis Rader. -[anchor 2] Dennis Rader. 30 00:01:32,217 --> 00:01:33,885 [man] Dennis L. Rader. 31 00:01:33,968 --> 00:01:37,472 [reporter 1] 59 years old, Rader is married with two children. 32 00:01:37,555 --> 00:01:41,142 He was an active member of Christ Lutheran Church, a Scout leader, 33 00:01:41,226 --> 00:01:45,313 and worked for the suburban community of Park City as a compliance officer. 34 00:01:45,396 --> 00:01:48,358 [reporter 2] The seemingly ordinary family man who's accused of killing 35 00:01:48,441 --> 00:01:51,444 at least ten people over the last three decades. 36 00:01:52,237 --> 00:01:56,533 [reporter 3] For years, police in Wichita, Kansas, say Dennis Rader lived and killed 37 00:01:56,616 --> 00:01:58,785 among his friends and neighbors. 38 00:01:58,868 --> 00:02:02,705 He was doing all the things that every other dad was doing. 39 00:02:04,749 --> 00:02:05,917 A sexual sadist. 40 00:02:06,709 --> 00:02:08,837 To kill was the thrill. 41 00:02:10,046 --> 00:02:12,841 Can you imagine finding out that your father 42 00:02:12,924 --> 00:02:15,635 is one of the most evil people on Earth? 43 00:02:15,718 --> 00:02:18,555 [woman] I don't know who my father is, what he was hiding. 44 00:02:18,638 --> 00:02:20,723 Was he using my family to hide? 45 00:02:20,807 --> 00:02:22,976 Was he using us that whole time? 46 00:02:25,061 --> 00:02:29,732 It's hard to know who I am if every moment in my life was a lie. 47 00:02:43,580 --> 00:02:45,665 [somber music playing] 48 00:02:45,748 --> 00:02:48,001 [woman] I would have sworn a year ago 49 00:02:48,084 --> 00:02:51,212 that my father had just murdered ten people. 50 00:02:51,296 --> 00:02:55,133 I'd been told from the get-go by the FBI, the detectives, 51 00:02:55,216 --> 00:02:57,844 "Oh, just the ten. Just the ten. It was just the ten." 52 00:02:59,721 --> 00:03:03,600 We've got a possible twist in the case involving the notorious BTK killer. 53 00:03:03,683 --> 00:03:07,395 [reporter 2] This morning, authorities say the notorious BTK killer 54 00:03:07,478 --> 00:03:10,648 who terrorized people in Kansas during the 1970s 55 00:03:10,732 --> 00:03:14,652 could be linked to two more unsolved cases in other states. 56 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,530 And I was like, "What is going on?" 57 00:03:17,614 --> 00:03:19,782 And the next thing I know, 58 00:03:19,866 --> 00:03:22,577 the police called me to talk about it. 59 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:33,046 I know him better than anyone probably in the world. 60 00:03:33,129 --> 00:03:36,174 Investigators can go in with all their knowledge and all their evidence, 61 00:03:36,257 --> 00:03:39,677 but I'm the one that can, like, crack his codes and crack him. 62 00:03:40,637 --> 00:03:43,097 If my father has committed more murders, 63 00:03:43,181 --> 00:03:44,599 it's important to know, 64 00:03:44,682 --> 00:03:49,103 because it gives answers to the families that have been waiting for decades. 65 00:03:49,938 --> 00:03:53,191 Those families deserve answers, and the truth is the truth. 66 00:03:54,734 --> 00:03:59,656 But the counterargument is… like, my life has value too, 67 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:02,659 and to what level do I sacrifice? 68 00:04:02,742 --> 00:04:07,413 And what level do I put myself through trauma to try to help? 69 00:04:08,957 --> 00:04:11,376 [intriguing music playing] 70 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,260 My father was arrested in '05, and I was 26. 71 00:04:20,343 --> 00:04:24,472 We had everybody from Oprah to Larry King trying to interview us, Diane Sawyer, 72 00:04:24,555 --> 00:04:26,307 and my family just said no. 73 00:04:26,391 --> 00:04:28,184 So we had declined everything. 74 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:32,689 I'm checking all the boxes right. I'm cooking, I'm raising kids, 75 00:04:32,772 --> 00:04:35,733 stay-at-home mom, leading women's ministry. 76 00:04:35,817 --> 00:04:37,944 You would say, "Hey, she's doing great." 77 00:04:38,027 --> 00:04:42,365 But the truth was that I was dying inside. They just didn't know I was hiding. 78 00:04:42,448 --> 00:04:45,994 I spent almost ten years rotting inside after he was arrested, 79 00:04:46,077 --> 00:04:49,414 not being able to speak, not thinking I was allowed to speak, you know, 80 00:04:49,497 --> 00:04:53,835 the Midwest code, you don't ever air your dirty laundry publicly. 81 00:04:53,918 --> 00:04:57,213 You just keep it inside, and you look appropriate on the outside. 82 00:04:57,297 --> 00:04:58,756 That's how I was raised. 83 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:03,094 And then in September of '14, I was headed to bed, 84 00:05:03,177 --> 00:05:06,514 and Darian, my husband at the time, 85 00:05:06,597 --> 00:05:10,518 he goes, "Hey, Stephen King was on, like, a morning TV show." 86 00:05:10,601 --> 00:05:12,228 "He was talking about your parents 87 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:17,066 because he wrote a short story and made a movie called The Good Marriage." 88 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:20,403 -Tell us about this. I mean, Dennis Rader… -[King] Mm-hmm. 89 00:05:20,486 --> 00:05:23,781 …the guy who's this real-life sort of model. 90 00:05:23,865 --> 00:05:28,703 He was a prototype for, uh, the guy in my… in my story, 91 00:05:28,786 --> 00:05:33,458 and, uh, he murdered ten people, two of them were children, 92 00:05:33,541 --> 00:05:38,338 and he had a long marriage, two kids of his own, and his wife said, 93 00:05:38,421 --> 00:05:40,423 after he was caught, 94 00:05:40,506 --> 00:05:42,425 uh, that she… she never knew. 95 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,347 And I'm sitting up in bed, I'm upset, I'm crying, I'm out of the bed, 96 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:50,892 walking back and forth, you know, just really upset. 97 00:05:50,975 --> 00:05:54,854 Like, even upset at my husband and upset at Stephen King and just, like, 98 00:05:54,937 --> 00:05:57,565 wishing none of this was happening. 99 00:05:57,648 --> 00:05:59,108 I had been silent for so long, 100 00:05:59,192 --> 00:06:01,778 and there was so much stuff that needed to come out. 101 00:06:04,822 --> 00:06:09,827 My first interview ever, you know, I just spilled my guts for, like, 40 minutes 102 00:06:09,911 --> 00:06:13,915 about who I was… who my dad was… 103 00:06:13,998 --> 00:06:18,586 my mom, my life married, what the last ten years have been like. 104 00:06:18,669 --> 00:06:22,382 And I was headline news, like, by that night, 105 00:06:22,465 --> 00:06:25,009 and then international news by the next day. 106 00:06:25,510 --> 00:06:28,137 [man] Kerri, thank you for taking some time to come on the program. 107 00:06:28,221 --> 00:06:29,347 Thank you for having me. 108 00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:32,934 When the FBI agent notified me, I was, like, holding onto the wall. 109 00:06:33,017 --> 00:06:34,727 Everything I cared for was gone. 110 00:06:34,811 --> 00:06:38,272 I was killing myself internalizing this and not talking about it. 111 00:06:41,359 --> 00:06:43,986 I wasn't thinking it was that big of a deal. 112 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:45,738 I wasn't watching my mouth. 113 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:52,203 I had upset a lot of people with the words just… coming out of me. 114 00:06:53,246 --> 00:06:56,624 And I just was, like, upset that 115 00:06:56,707 --> 00:07:01,045 he had decided to use our… my parents for inspiration. 116 00:07:04,715 --> 00:07:07,802 I'm going to always love my dad. I mean, he's my dad. 117 00:07:08,344 --> 00:07:10,388 But I hadn't really gotten into 118 00:07:10,471 --> 00:07:13,724 what my father had done as BTK. I hadn't gone into the crimes. 119 00:07:13,808 --> 00:07:16,644 And I was in therapy, and it was getting all really mixed up. 120 00:07:17,228 --> 00:07:20,815 Was he using my family to hide? Did he really love my mom? 121 00:07:20,898 --> 00:07:24,318 Did he really love us, or was he using us that whole time? 122 00:07:25,778 --> 00:07:29,282 I kind of went and grabbed everything and researched my own life 123 00:07:29,365 --> 00:07:32,535 and researched my dad's life to be able to talk about it. 124 00:07:33,953 --> 00:07:35,705 It was all just a big, jumbled mess. 125 00:07:37,165 --> 00:07:39,417 [disturbing music playing] 126 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:41,169 [police siren wailing] 127 00:07:42,086 --> 00:07:46,340 In 1974, my dad destroyed four members of a seven-member family. 128 00:07:47,383 --> 00:07:51,345 A few months before that, he had been laid off from Cessna. 129 00:07:51,971 --> 00:07:53,514 And he really liked that job. 130 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:58,269 And so he said when he got laid off in the fall of 1973, he got depressed. 131 00:07:58,352 --> 00:08:00,396 And moody and bored. 132 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,941 And he said, you know, "Idle hands make for devil's work." 133 00:08:04,609 --> 00:08:08,738 And he started thinking about bad things and putting those into action. 134 00:08:17,622 --> 00:08:20,917 [Richard LaMunyon] In 1974, I was a bureau captain 135 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,960 for the Wichita Police Department. 136 00:08:23,044 --> 00:08:27,173 Our police chief retired, and there was a nationwide search 137 00:08:27,256 --> 00:08:28,883 for a new police chief. 138 00:08:28,966 --> 00:08:32,386 And I thought, "Well, what the heck. I think I'll put in for it." 139 00:08:32,470 --> 00:08:35,181 "I won't get it, but I'll put in for it." 140 00:08:35,264 --> 00:08:37,767 [suspenseful music playing] 141 00:08:37,850 --> 00:08:40,770 I think there was 110 applicants or something. 142 00:08:40,853 --> 00:08:42,313 I ended up with the job. 143 00:08:43,648 --> 00:08:47,193 [Larry Hatteberg] Wichita was a very calm, Midwestern city. 144 00:08:47,276 --> 00:08:49,278 People go about their business. 145 00:08:49,362 --> 00:08:50,738 And Wichita, at that time, 146 00:08:50,821 --> 00:08:53,533 you didn't lock your doors, you didn't lock your car. 147 00:08:53,616 --> 00:08:57,161 It was just a very calm, wonderful place to live. 148 00:09:00,122 --> 00:09:03,251 [LaMunyon] Some of the things that I did when I first became the chief, 149 00:09:03,334 --> 00:09:07,588 there were some major cases that were going on that had happened in the past. 150 00:09:09,715 --> 00:09:11,759 Of course, when I became chief, 151 00:09:11,842 --> 00:09:15,304 the possibility of a serial killer didn't enter my mind. 152 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:19,141 -[indistinct chatter on police radio] -[sirens wailing] 153 00:09:19,225 --> 00:09:23,396 [reporter] The bodies of Joseph Otero, his wife Julie, their daughter Josephine, 154 00:09:23,479 --> 00:09:27,441 and their son Joseph II were discovered in their East Wichita home. 155 00:09:28,359 --> 00:09:32,738 [Hatteberg] In 1974, I was just a photojournalist at KAKE Television, 156 00:09:32,822 --> 00:09:35,408 and I was sent to a house. 157 00:09:35,491 --> 00:09:37,577 We knew that there had been a homicide there. 158 00:09:37,660 --> 00:09:40,121 We didn't know how many. We didn't have details on it. 159 00:09:42,081 --> 00:09:45,084 I noticed that nobody was talking. 160 00:09:45,167 --> 00:09:47,003 The detectives had clammed up. 161 00:09:49,005 --> 00:09:51,549 [LaMunyon] Older boy, Charlie, was coming home from school, 162 00:09:51,632 --> 00:09:55,261 and he walked in and found this horrendous scene. 163 00:09:55,344 --> 00:09:58,639 His parents murdered, his brother and sister murdered, 164 00:09:59,140 --> 00:10:01,183 and he completely lost it. 165 00:10:03,561 --> 00:10:05,855 He tried to untie them, 166 00:10:05,938 --> 00:10:08,691 and then he ran next door to seek help. 167 00:10:10,192 --> 00:10:13,571 Traumatic… for him. It would have been for anyone. 168 00:10:17,241 --> 00:10:20,703 [man] This is a very bizarre case for this area of the country. 169 00:10:20,786 --> 00:10:22,663 I think it's the worst one that I've seen 170 00:10:22,747 --> 00:10:25,374 in the 30 years that I've been involved in homicide work. 171 00:10:25,458 --> 00:10:27,335 And we're not going to give up on it. 172 00:10:27,418 --> 00:10:31,005 It was just a horrible, terrible murder. 173 00:10:31,088 --> 00:10:34,842 How could anybody… anybody kill a child? 174 00:10:36,093 --> 00:10:37,595 That didn't happen here. 175 00:10:40,222 --> 00:10:42,308 [sirens, police radio chatter] 176 00:10:42,391 --> 00:10:45,353 [LaMunyon] I was briefed in the Otero case 177 00:10:45,436 --> 00:10:48,898 from the command staff in investigations. 178 00:10:49,857 --> 00:10:54,737 The direction that they were taking was that because of the nature of the crime, 179 00:10:54,820 --> 00:10:57,990 they thought it was some kind of a revenge crime, 180 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:00,826 or perhaps some kind of a drug-related thing. 181 00:11:01,702 --> 00:11:06,832 But then again, the other investigators were looking at the sexual aspect of it. 182 00:11:06,916 --> 00:11:10,211 Keep in mind, there's not just one or two investigators on this. 183 00:11:10,294 --> 00:11:14,090 There are several, and they're going in several different directions 184 00:11:14,173 --> 00:11:16,258 to try to solve this thing. 185 00:11:17,718 --> 00:11:20,221 [turn signal clicking] 186 00:11:20,304 --> 00:11:22,306 [Rawson sighs dejectedly] 187 00:11:24,308 --> 00:11:28,437 It's depressing to see Wichita just run down in places. 188 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:31,482 You know, like it's just… It's always been run down in places, 189 00:11:31,565 --> 00:11:33,275 but it's just depressing as hell. 190 00:11:35,319 --> 00:11:37,446 It is not pleasant to go to Wichita. 191 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:40,241 I mean, it is high levels of PTSD. 192 00:11:45,162 --> 00:11:47,915 Something will instantly hit me, and I'll go… 193 00:11:47,998 --> 00:11:50,835 I will… go into trauma world. 194 00:11:52,253 --> 00:11:56,006 I totally forgot that I used to hike, ride bikes, 195 00:11:56,090 --> 00:11:59,802 and, um, hike along this ditch with Dad. 196 00:12:01,178 --> 00:12:02,763 Dad taught me the back roads, 197 00:12:02,847 --> 00:12:05,474 and how to drive those instead of the highway. 198 00:12:06,809 --> 00:12:10,730 He actually had more patience and was calmer and cooler about it than my mom. 199 00:12:10,813 --> 00:12:12,648 My mom would, like, freak out. 200 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:16,193 He was pretty fun to hang out with, because he would let you, like, 201 00:12:16,277 --> 00:12:18,446 do what you wanted, and get into trouble, 202 00:12:18,529 --> 00:12:20,364 and get dirty, and he didn't care. 203 00:12:25,161 --> 00:12:28,831 This is Christ Lutheran Church, here at 53rd and Hillside. 204 00:12:30,249 --> 00:12:33,252 Mom and Dad met at church in August of '70. 205 00:12:35,379 --> 00:12:38,215 It was like love at first sight for both of them. 206 00:12:38,299 --> 00:12:41,260 And they got married, like, nine months later. 207 00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:47,183 Probably my earliest memories are when I was, like, two or three. 208 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:51,604 My house was a three-bedroom house. We had a big garden growing up. 209 00:12:51,687 --> 00:12:54,774 Dad built us this massive treehouse on stilts. 210 00:12:55,441 --> 00:12:57,943 We used to camp out in the treehouse. 211 00:12:59,487 --> 00:13:02,239 We helped with yard work. He taught me how to garden, 212 00:13:02,323 --> 00:13:03,532 how to plant flowers. 213 00:13:03,616 --> 00:13:06,160 He took me to the hardware store 214 00:13:06,243 --> 00:13:09,455 every Saturday to get stuff when we were building the treehouse. 215 00:13:10,456 --> 00:13:13,083 My dad never treated me like a girl. 216 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:16,879 He treated me like a tomboy and let me do whatever he was doing. 217 00:13:17,713 --> 00:13:20,508 So as soon as I was walking, I was right there by him. 218 00:13:22,885 --> 00:13:24,595 [Andrea Rogers] Kerri and I are the same age, 219 00:13:24,678 --> 00:13:26,680 so we went through school together. 220 00:13:26,764 --> 00:13:28,849 She was from the same neighborhood. 221 00:13:28,933 --> 00:13:32,561 So we did Halloweens together. We did soccer team together. 222 00:13:32,645 --> 00:13:34,188 We did everything. 223 00:13:35,231 --> 00:13:39,235 It was a very small community, small town, so you knew everybody. 224 00:13:40,611 --> 00:13:44,782 Growing up with the Raders, they were like every other family. 225 00:13:45,366 --> 00:13:48,410 I mean, he did all the things that all the dads did. 226 00:13:48,994 --> 00:13:51,622 We called him the dogcatcher of Park City. 227 00:13:52,623 --> 00:13:54,792 [pensive music playing] 228 00:13:54,875 --> 00:13:56,377 [Rader] We've been tracking 'em down. 229 00:13:56,460 --> 00:13:58,879 The dogs are somewhat territorial as well as vicious, 230 00:13:58,963 --> 00:14:02,424 and we've been trying to round them up and corral them as best as we can, 231 00:14:02,508 --> 00:14:05,469 working with the reporting parties of where the sheep were killed. 232 00:14:07,179 --> 00:14:08,848 [Rogers] He didn't just do dog catching. 233 00:14:08,931 --> 00:14:13,227 He also did, like, violations for if your weeds are too high or whatever. 234 00:14:15,646 --> 00:14:19,817 If somebody got a violation in Park City, we would always make a joke like, "Oh, 235 00:14:20,317 --> 00:14:22,111 Dennis had his little ruler out again." 236 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,490 [Rawson] My father, on the outside, 237 00:14:26,574 --> 00:14:30,119 looked like a very well-behaved, mild-mannered man. 238 00:14:30,202 --> 00:14:32,288 But there's these moments of Dad. 239 00:14:32,997 --> 00:14:35,583 Something will trigger him, and he can flip on a dime, 240 00:14:35,666 --> 00:14:37,126 and it can be dangerous. 241 00:14:37,751 --> 00:14:39,545 And as a kid, you just knew, 242 00:14:39,628 --> 00:14:43,507 "I better not have my shoes out because I'm gonna get yelled at about my shoes." 243 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:46,552 So you just knew not to sit in Dad's chair at the kitchen table. 244 00:14:46,635 --> 00:14:48,429 You knew to let him get lunch first. 245 00:14:48,512 --> 00:14:51,473 You let him choose what activities you were gonna do, 246 00:14:51,557 --> 00:14:53,559 what movies, where you were going… 247 00:14:54,101 --> 00:14:56,145 Like, a lot of control, right? 248 00:14:57,938 --> 00:15:02,276 And now you realize, like, who my father is, what he was hiding… 249 00:15:05,404 --> 00:15:09,116 -[intriguing music playing] -[traffic passing] 250 00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:11,035 [typing, office chatter] 251 00:15:11,619 --> 00:15:14,330 [Bill Hirschman] The Wichita Eagle was a daily newspaper. 252 00:15:14,955 --> 00:15:18,417 We had about 125 people working in the newsroom. 253 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:20,961 That would include photojournalists, that would include 254 00:15:21,045 --> 00:15:22,880 sports, business, whatever. 255 00:15:24,048 --> 00:15:25,466 Virtually everybody. 256 00:15:26,091 --> 00:15:27,301 It was exciting. 257 00:15:29,219 --> 00:15:32,765 Otero was talked about for a long time, because 258 00:15:33,390 --> 00:15:37,686 you didn't have four people killed, including children, before. 259 00:15:38,854 --> 00:15:41,857 I should point out that there's a lot of stuff about this 260 00:15:41,941 --> 00:15:44,151 that wasn't known until later. 261 00:15:45,444 --> 00:15:47,571 The police would say, "This was vicious," 262 00:15:47,655 --> 00:15:50,282 or "This is what they did," or "They tied this one up." 263 00:15:50,991 --> 00:15:53,535 But there's so much that was not known. 264 00:15:54,662 --> 00:15:57,581 We knew it was horrible, but we didn't know how horrible. 265 00:15:59,458 --> 00:16:03,671 [LaMunyon] We had to keep certain things in the investigation secret. 266 00:16:03,754 --> 00:16:07,216 In other words, we didn't want the community to know some of the details. 267 00:16:08,342 --> 00:16:10,594 And then, in October of '74, 268 00:16:10,678 --> 00:16:13,973 the department arrested the Sebring brothers. 269 00:16:14,056 --> 00:16:16,850 These guys were pedophiles, is what they were. 270 00:16:16,934 --> 00:16:21,855 They admitted, once they got in, that they had killed the Otero family. 271 00:16:22,898 --> 00:16:25,275 Well, of course, this was major news, 272 00:16:26,193 --> 00:16:29,405 and it was drawing a lot of attention from the news media. 273 00:16:29,488 --> 00:16:30,948 And that prompted the letter. 274 00:16:31,031 --> 00:16:32,908 [dramatic music playing] 275 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:35,077 [Hatteberg] The Wichita Eagle gets this letter. 276 00:16:36,161 --> 00:16:38,706 Someone came forward and says, "Hey." 277 00:16:38,789 --> 00:16:40,916 "The three guys in jail you have didn't do it." 278 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,127 "And the reason I know is…" 279 00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:44,545 Basically, "I did it." 280 00:16:46,046 --> 00:16:48,757 [LaMunyon] The details that were depicted in that 281 00:16:48,841 --> 00:16:50,926 clearly indicated 282 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:54,430 that the person that wrote the letter was the person that committed the crime. 283 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:58,267 At the time, he was seeking identity. 284 00:17:00,269 --> 00:17:02,938 The letter said, and I quote, 285 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:08,110 "I write this letter to you for the sake of the taxpayer, as well as your time." 286 00:17:08,193 --> 00:17:10,612 "Those three dudes you have in custody, 287 00:17:10,696 --> 00:17:13,449 they know nothing at all. I did it all by myself." 288 00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:18,912 And then he starts to talk about each person he killed. 289 00:17:19,913 --> 00:17:24,585 "Bondage, hand-tied with blind cord." 290 00:17:24,668 --> 00:17:29,381 "Feet and lower knees, upper knees, and waist with a clothesline cord, 291 00:17:29,465 --> 00:17:31,300 all one length." 292 00:17:32,634 --> 00:17:34,762 "Death, strangulation." 293 00:17:36,638 --> 00:17:38,849 The police department had to have cold chills 294 00:17:38,932 --> 00:17:41,518 because they have pictures of what it was like. 295 00:17:43,312 --> 00:17:47,608 He's describing it totally, 100% accurately. 296 00:17:48,484 --> 00:17:50,569 He added a PS to his note. 297 00:17:51,195 --> 00:17:56,950 "PS. Since sex criminals do not change their MO or by nature cannot do so, 298 00:17:57,034 --> 00:17:58,452 I will not change mine." 299 00:17:58,535 --> 00:18:00,913 "The code words for me will be 300 00:18:00,996 --> 00:18:04,041 bind them, torture them, kill them." 301 00:18:04,625 --> 00:18:08,837 "B.T.K. You'll see he's at it again." 302 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:12,466 "They will be on the next victim." 303 00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:15,094 [music intensifies] 304 00:18:15,177 --> 00:18:18,639 Of course, keep in mind you're not dealing with a, quote, "normal" criminal. 305 00:18:18,722 --> 00:18:22,351 You're dealing with a person who is perverted, a person that is sick. 306 00:18:22,434 --> 00:18:25,854 And with all probability, assuming that the person is still alive, 307 00:18:25,938 --> 00:18:27,397 that person is gonna kill again. 308 00:18:28,816 --> 00:18:33,028 We had profilers from the FBI that was providing us information. 309 00:18:33,904 --> 00:18:37,866 And what we were being told was, "If he's not killing here, 310 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:40,994 he's killing someone else… somewhere else." 311 00:18:41,912 --> 00:18:45,791 And so we put out an alert to other departments 312 00:18:45,874 --> 00:18:49,002 and we sent detectives to several different places 313 00:18:49,086 --> 00:18:53,340 to see if we had some kind of a killer that was hitting other places. 314 00:18:53,423 --> 00:18:56,301 And we could never put those together at all. 315 00:18:57,511 --> 00:19:02,641 And our conclusion was that the reason we couldn't find this individual 316 00:19:02,724 --> 00:19:04,309 is that he's one of us. 317 00:19:04,393 --> 00:19:07,312 [indistinct chatter on radio] 318 00:19:07,396 --> 00:19:11,733 Now we have someone, locally, that we need to concentrate on 319 00:19:11,817 --> 00:19:13,485 and we need to identify. 320 00:19:25,414 --> 00:19:28,667 Shirley Vian was a single mother. 321 00:19:29,293 --> 00:19:30,919 She had three children. 322 00:19:31,628 --> 00:19:36,508 She was home ill at the time and was not feeling well. 323 00:19:36,592 --> 00:19:40,387 So Shirley had sent her six-year-old out to the store. 324 00:19:41,388 --> 00:19:45,225 And then on his way back, he's confronted with this man 325 00:19:45,309 --> 00:19:46,560 with a briefcase, 326 00:19:46,643 --> 00:19:49,062 and a discussion between them took place. 327 00:19:49,563 --> 00:19:52,441 And as a result of that discussion, whatever that was, 328 00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:56,486 the man gained entry into the house. 329 00:19:58,739 --> 00:20:02,743 The assailant locks the three children in the bathroom. 330 00:20:03,410 --> 00:20:08,832 They recognized that he's doing something terrible to their mother. 331 00:20:09,666 --> 00:20:12,502 So as a result of that, they're able to escape 332 00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:15,589 through the window of the bathroom 333 00:20:15,672 --> 00:20:18,050 in order to scream and seek for help. 334 00:20:19,426 --> 00:20:22,304 Once the assailant ran out of the house, 335 00:20:22,387 --> 00:20:27,851 the kids go back in and, of course, they find their mother dead on the bed. 336 00:20:28,435 --> 00:20:32,064 [somber music playing] 337 00:20:32,147 --> 00:20:35,150 [indistinct chatter over police radio] 338 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:40,447 When this case came in, the investigators informed me 339 00:20:40,530 --> 00:20:44,284 that after viewing the scene, that they believed 340 00:20:44,368 --> 00:20:48,163 that this could be connected to the Otero case 341 00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:52,376 because of the way the scene was left. 342 00:20:53,418 --> 00:20:57,589 [man] Twenty-six-year-old Shirley Vian was found with a plastic bag over her head 343 00:20:57,673 --> 00:21:00,008 and a cord looped around her neck. 344 00:21:00,092 --> 00:21:03,262 Her children, who were locked in a bathroom, told police 345 00:21:03,345 --> 00:21:06,932 the attacker was a dark-haired man in his late thirties or forties. 346 00:21:09,142 --> 00:21:14,189 At the time, it was decided not to make a direct correlation between them 347 00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:16,775 until it could be determined for sure. 348 00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:25,867 [suspenseful music playing] 349 00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:30,747 [man on phone] You will find a homicide at… [static] …South Pershing. 350 00:21:31,331 --> 00:21:32,249 Nancy Fox. 351 00:21:33,041 --> 00:21:34,584 [operator] 43 South Pershing? 352 00:21:34,668 --> 00:21:35,794 [man] That is correct. 353 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:40,465 [reporter] 25-year-old Nancy Jo Fox 354 00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:43,385 was found dead in her Pershing Street apartment. 355 00:21:43,468 --> 00:21:45,429 She had been bound and strangled. 356 00:21:45,512 --> 00:21:48,473 The slaying was reported by a man in a phone booth. 357 00:21:48,557 --> 00:21:51,518 Police theorized the caller was the murderer. 358 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:56,732 [announcer] If you recognize that voice, call 268-4156. 359 00:21:58,442 --> 00:22:02,362 [LaMunyon] With the Nancy Fox case, the phone line had been cut, 360 00:22:02,446 --> 00:22:04,448 similar to the Otero case. 361 00:22:06,825 --> 00:22:10,829 Based on the evidence that we had, it was clear in our mind, at that point, 362 00:22:10,912 --> 00:22:14,750 that the Otero case, the Shirley Vian case, 363 00:22:14,833 --> 00:22:16,960 and the Nancy Fox case 364 00:22:17,044 --> 00:22:19,504 were a result of the same individual. 365 00:22:20,088 --> 00:22:22,841 And that set the investigation off 366 00:22:24,259 --> 00:22:25,969 for a serial killer. 367 00:22:32,309 --> 00:22:34,227 [gloomy music playing] 368 00:22:34,311 --> 00:22:37,105 [LaMunyon] On February 10th, 1978, 369 00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:40,984 I received a call from Larry Hatteberg asking me to come over 370 00:22:41,068 --> 00:22:44,613 and look at a letter that they'd received at KAKE Television. 371 00:22:45,739 --> 00:22:48,742 [Hatteberg] The receptionist who sorted our mail 372 00:22:48,825 --> 00:22:50,994 found this letter from BTK. 373 00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:57,334 And she brought it back into the newsroom and she handed it to me. 374 00:22:57,417 --> 00:22:59,461 I opened it, I looked at it, 375 00:22:59,544 --> 00:23:02,756 and I thought, "Oh my God, here we go." 376 00:23:03,715 --> 00:23:06,218 We confront the chief of police. 377 00:23:06,301 --> 00:23:08,470 We say, "We've got this letter." 378 00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:10,138 "And here's the letter." 379 00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:15,102 "In return, we would like you to come and be on our newscast tonight." 380 00:23:15,185 --> 00:23:17,646 And I thought he was going to say no. 381 00:23:17,729 --> 00:23:20,482 And he called in the chief of detectives. 382 00:23:20,565 --> 00:23:22,734 They conversed for about 20 minutes. 383 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:25,070 And then they come out, and he says, 384 00:23:25,153 --> 00:23:28,156 "Okay, I will be on your newscast tonight." 385 00:23:28,657 --> 00:23:31,451 With us right now is Chief of Police Richard LaMunyon. 386 00:23:31,535 --> 00:23:33,286 I have a couple of questions, Chief. 387 00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:36,248 How can you be sure that the BTK letter is authentic? 388 00:23:36,331 --> 00:23:39,418 There's absolutely no question that the only person 389 00:23:39,501 --> 00:23:43,839 who would have the type of information that was included in the letter 390 00:23:43,922 --> 00:23:46,091 would have to be the killer himself. 391 00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:50,053 [anchor] BTK began today's letter with a question. 392 00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:53,473 "How many do I have to kill before I get a name in the paper 393 00:23:53,557 --> 00:23:55,350 or some national attention?" 394 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,895 BTK claims to have strangled a total of seven women. 395 00:23:58,979 --> 00:24:02,190 He provided a list of his victims, beginning with the number five, 396 00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:05,902 where he wrote, "You guess the motive and the victim." 397 00:24:07,612 --> 00:24:12,117 This was the first time that anyone outside the police department 398 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,245 was made aware that there was a connection 399 00:24:15,328 --> 00:24:19,499 between the Otero murders, the Vian murder, and the Fox murders, 400 00:24:19,583 --> 00:24:23,587 and a seventh murder that hadn't been identified. 401 00:24:24,337 --> 00:24:26,465 [LaMunyon] We have an obligation to the community 402 00:24:26,548 --> 00:24:29,050 to figure out who this new victim was. 403 00:24:29,134 --> 00:24:32,304 Any way that we could keep him communicating with us, 404 00:24:32,387 --> 00:24:35,765 hopefully, would give us the opportunity to put together 405 00:24:35,849 --> 00:24:40,061 enough evidence to get some answers and find out who this individual was. 406 00:24:42,022 --> 00:24:43,940 [Hatteberg] I always felt that Richard LaMunyon 407 00:24:44,024 --> 00:24:47,777 was the finest police chief that Wichita had ever had. 408 00:24:48,278 --> 00:24:51,490 Richard LaMunyon was one of those police chiefs who, 409 00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:57,704 when he got on a mission to find a criminal, he didn't let go. 410 00:24:57,787 --> 00:25:01,082 He was like a dog, and he had the information in his teeth, 411 00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:04,628 and he wasn't gonna let anybody else derail him from his mission. 412 00:25:05,337 --> 00:25:07,422 [anchor] This morning, Police Chief Richard LaMunyon 413 00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:09,799 met with detectives working on the case. 414 00:25:09,883 --> 00:25:12,761 Police frankly admit that they have lots of tips to check, 415 00:25:12,844 --> 00:25:15,096 but nothing to indicate a major break in the case. 416 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:18,225 Tonight, LaMunyon will gather with a group of experts to study 417 00:25:18,308 --> 00:25:20,727 all the available evidence in the investigation. 418 00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:23,939 [man] In the letter to KAKE, BTK talked about killing seven people, 419 00:25:24,022 --> 00:25:26,691 but he did not name one of his victims. 420 00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:29,694 There have been many unsolved homicides over the years, 421 00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:33,281 and police aren't sure who the seventh BTK victim was. 422 00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:37,077 Several sources in the department, however, think it was Kathryn Bright. 423 00:25:42,457 --> 00:25:44,876 [LaMunyon] In April 1978, 424 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,587 a man named Kevin Bright 425 00:25:47,671 --> 00:25:51,591 was shot in the head, and ran outside, 426 00:25:51,675 --> 00:25:55,262 yelling that there was a man in the house 427 00:25:55,345 --> 00:25:59,391 that had shot him, and that his sister, Kathryn, was in there, 428 00:26:00,141 --> 00:26:03,019 and that he had come in to rob them. 429 00:26:04,396 --> 00:26:08,233 Kathryn Bright's brother, Kevin, had witnessed part of the murder, 430 00:26:08,316 --> 00:26:12,445 and he was able to tell police, to some degree, what happened. 431 00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:17,784 [LaMunyon] We found Kathryn Bright, stabbed, in her house. 432 00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:22,956 Kathryn was a college student at Wichita State University. 433 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:24,624 She normally came home alone. 434 00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:27,919 In this particular case, she came home with her brother, Kevin, 435 00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:29,421 in the middle of the day. 436 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,094 The assailant was in the house, already waiting on her. 437 00:26:36,803 --> 00:26:39,180 Based on what Kevin told us, 438 00:26:39,264 --> 00:26:40,974 once they entered the house, 439 00:26:41,057 --> 00:26:45,937 the person in there had a gun on Kevin 440 00:26:46,021 --> 00:26:49,774 and instructed him to tie his sister, Kathryn, up. 441 00:26:50,358 --> 00:26:51,776 He did so… 442 00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:55,864 And then Kevin was taken to another room. 443 00:26:56,823 --> 00:27:00,035 And he attempted to put a nylon on Kevin's neck, 444 00:27:00,118 --> 00:27:03,455 and that's when a fight ensued, and Kevin was shot. 445 00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:07,834 He fell to the floor and played dead. 446 00:27:10,712 --> 00:27:13,798 Kevin was taken to the hospital with head wounds. 447 00:27:13,882 --> 00:27:18,637 We worked with him in an effort to identify the assailant. 448 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:22,265 Kevin's description was pretty generic. 449 00:27:22,349 --> 00:27:25,769 He was a Caucasian male, perhaps around 30, 450 00:27:25,852 --> 00:27:28,063 normal, 180 pounds… 451 00:27:28,146 --> 00:27:30,565 Basically, he just couldn't help us. 452 00:27:34,527 --> 00:27:39,157 [Hirschman] Remember that it was only until BTK said, "Yes, I did all these," 453 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,410 that the demand that something get done about it, 454 00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:44,162 you know, quintupled. 455 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:46,956 And the feeling that he is still here, 456 00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:52,420 and that he is still working, and for all I know, he lives next door… 457 00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:54,172 Which, as it turned out, he did. 458 00:28:02,806 --> 00:28:04,599 Man, this street is beat up. 459 00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:09,813 My best friend lived there. 460 00:28:11,481 --> 00:28:12,732 I'd babysit people there. 461 00:28:12,816 --> 00:28:16,277 My babysitter lived on the other side, there, so this is it. 462 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:22,784 This is where I grew up. 463 00:28:22,867 --> 00:28:25,662 They leveled it, so it wouldn't be torn apart 464 00:28:25,745 --> 00:28:29,249 by people selling it on eBay piece by piece. 465 00:28:31,584 --> 00:28:35,588 There was just a lot that happened when I… after I spoke up in the media, 466 00:28:35,672 --> 00:28:39,217 and it was like Wichita kind of became this enemy territory. 467 00:28:40,051 --> 00:28:43,304 So the first time I had gone back to my yard was in '15. 468 00:28:43,388 --> 00:28:47,308 I mean, I hadn't been in my yard in that lot in ten years. 469 00:28:47,392 --> 00:28:50,228 I mean, on one hand, I can tell you like a million memories, 470 00:28:50,311 --> 00:28:53,106 and what I did in this tree, and what I did in that tree. 471 00:28:54,524 --> 00:28:57,569 So this is where Dad and I gardened all the time. 472 00:28:57,652 --> 00:29:01,698 He had every kind of vegetable. Then there was a flower garden here. 473 00:29:05,785 --> 00:29:08,288 So all of this to here was garden. 474 00:29:08,913 --> 00:29:11,040 There was a path here that came up. 475 00:29:11,833 --> 00:29:13,960 There was a walking path back here. 476 00:29:14,627 --> 00:29:18,631 And Dad planted grapes in here, which was crazy. 477 00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:20,550 They were gross and sour. 478 00:29:20,633 --> 00:29:24,387 You almost can see… I think you can see some of the vines still in there. 479 00:29:24,471 --> 00:29:27,348 The grapes was one of his crazier ideas. 480 00:29:29,058 --> 00:29:31,269 Um… Oh, is she taking photos? 481 00:29:31,352 --> 00:29:33,354 [uneasy music playing] 482 00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:37,358 Can somebody tell me if she's taking photos? 483 00:29:37,442 --> 00:29:38,485 [producer] No, she is not. 484 00:29:41,404 --> 00:29:43,823 [Rawson] It's really hard to be there because it… 485 00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:47,577 Like, it takes me back to those places, right? 486 00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:50,830 So even if everything was good in my yard, you're still right there 487 00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:53,333 by that house where everything wasn't always good, 488 00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:55,460 where you're right there where Dad was. 489 00:29:56,461 --> 00:29:58,880 I mean, even today I can talk about it 490 00:29:58,963 --> 00:30:01,841 down to the detail of what my father has done. 491 00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:04,135 My father has done what we know. 492 00:30:04,677 --> 00:30:08,264 But to actually believe it, it still goes in and out now. 493 00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:11,017 Like, it's like, "Dad is BTK." 494 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:12,560 "Oh, what? Huh?" 495 00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:15,313 It's like it doesn't come all the way home still. 496 00:30:17,106 --> 00:30:20,485 That's another thing. People push back on it, they're like, "Wait." 497 00:30:20,568 --> 00:30:22,946 Like, "Why is she saying in one moment, 498 00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:26,115 like, she's a victim, and then why is she crying, 499 00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:27,534 or why is she upset?" 500 00:30:28,117 --> 00:30:31,913 "And then the next minute she's talking about how great life is." And I'm like, 501 00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:34,082 because that's what my life was. 502 00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:36,626 Like, it was mainly good, 503 00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:40,004 with, like, these flashes of bad. 504 00:30:40,588 --> 00:30:42,924 You know, and we just, we didn't understand, 505 00:30:43,007 --> 00:30:47,303 like, underneath that flash was this whole iceberg of bad. 506 00:30:58,773 --> 00:31:02,819 I mean, if you look at it, it's abandoned. It's like, "What happened to my family?" 507 00:31:02,902 --> 00:31:05,905 Like, the fence is all rotted and torn down. 508 00:31:05,989 --> 00:31:08,408 I don't even know why it's back there. 509 00:31:08,491 --> 00:31:10,618 It's just all decayed and gross. 510 00:31:13,329 --> 00:31:15,164 Our family, um, imploded. 511 00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:17,250 You know, it took a long time. 512 00:31:17,959 --> 00:31:21,546 But the, um, trauma of my father imploded us, 513 00:31:21,629 --> 00:31:23,631 and so here we are. 514 00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:26,968 [somber music playing] 515 00:31:29,762 --> 00:31:33,182 [woman] You guys don't have any respect for other people's privacy. 516 00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:35,018 She don't live here no more. 517 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:39,397 She doesn't have to go through this on a daily basis. 518 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,024 You understand that? 519 00:31:45,653 --> 00:31:49,365 [Hatteberg] Kerri Rawson got a gig she didn't sign up for. 520 00:31:51,534 --> 00:31:56,289 Everywhere she goes, when people understand that BTK was her father, 521 00:31:56,372 --> 00:31:58,917 then she becomes BTK's daughter. 522 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,543 How do you outlive that? 523 00:32:03,713 --> 00:32:08,676 I've been hiding everything about my father, my life, the abuse, the trauma, 524 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,597 because some public will absolutely, 525 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,309 like, treat you terrible for being the kid of a serial killer. 526 00:32:16,392 --> 00:32:19,562 Like, "What were you hiding? Why didn't you know?" 527 00:32:19,646 --> 00:32:22,357 "Why didn't you expose him to the world?" 528 00:32:22,857 --> 00:32:25,777 I was waiting, really, for somebody to come along 529 00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:28,154 and give me a chance to help or talk. 530 00:32:30,365 --> 00:32:34,702 Like, Osage County is having me consult on this investigation. 531 00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:38,873 It's not like I've chosen this. 532 00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:42,794 Like, it's what I have been given. It's my life. 533 00:32:42,877 --> 00:32:45,380 And you have to choose what to do with it. 534 00:32:50,218 --> 00:32:52,470 You ready to dig into this stuff? 535 00:32:52,553 --> 00:32:54,055 Uh, always, never. 536 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,768 I think one of the things that's gonna help with some of these answers 537 00:32:58,851 --> 00:33:01,813 is getting you back up in this area 538 00:33:01,896 --> 00:33:03,690 to see what your memories are. 539 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:06,359 And that helps us understand 540 00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:09,737 and clarify the picture of where your dad may have been 541 00:33:09,821 --> 00:33:13,616 or where he really didn't have any activity that you're aware of. 542 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:16,703 [quiet, tense music playing] 543 00:33:17,328 --> 00:33:22,709 [Rawson] So, in the public, from '74 through '79, 544 00:33:23,793 --> 00:33:27,588 there were these communications being dropped in Wichita from BTK, 545 00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:30,466 um, to the newspaper and the police, 546 00:33:30,550 --> 00:33:31,801 news stations. 547 00:33:32,552 --> 00:33:34,470 Weird letters, poems, 548 00:33:35,179 --> 00:33:37,974 somebody claiming to have murdered seven people. 549 00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:44,981 This was all happening, really, before I was born or right when I was little. 550 00:33:45,773 --> 00:33:48,818 So, the last letter was sent in '79. 551 00:33:48,901 --> 00:33:52,447 Later, I found out it was the night of my first birthday. 552 00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:55,241 My dad had a first birthday party for me 553 00:33:55,324 --> 00:33:58,786 and then went out in the summer in a jean jacket and sent a communication. 554 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:03,541 And that was the last BTK communication for a long time. 555 00:34:06,377 --> 00:34:11,716 He said later on that having kids slowed down his murders. 556 00:34:11,799 --> 00:34:15,928 Dad said he got busy raising kids. Well, I think he got busy chasing me. 557 00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:19,098 [sinister music playing] 558 00:34:27,815 --> 00:34:32,737 So, I have photos here, and it's all, like, just a mix of years. 559 00:34:33,529 --> 00:34:37,950 Like, one of the things I really enjoyed with my dad was going to the Grand Canyon, 560 00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:41,454 and so we went in '86, just the rim, 561 00:34:41,537 --> 00:34:45,333 and then in '95, we spent a week on the rim. 562 00:34:45,416 --> 00:34:47,376 It was snowing, and it was cold, 563 00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:50,922 and I actually slept in a tent next to my dad because I was cold. 564 00:34:51,005 --> 00:34:53,299 I was glad to have him because he was warm. 565 00:34:57,512 --> 00:34:59,889 We took these amazing family vacations. 566 00:35:01,682 --> 00:35:03,309 We camped and hiked a ton, 567 00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:06,062 did a lot of fishing and camping in Kansas, 568 00:35:06,145 --> 00:35:10,733 hiked up in Colorado, up around Durango. The reservoir's up there. 569 00:35:10,817 --> 00:35:14,445 We would do day hikes, and we would fish for trout, 570 00:35:14,529 --> 00:35:17,949 and we did traveling in, like, Yellowstone 571 00:35:18,032 --> 00:35:20,326 and the Tetons, and all of that. 572 00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:24,914 I mean, when you're looking at these photos, 573 00:35:24,997 --> 00:35:27,250 like, you just see a normal family, right? 574 00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:32,380 My father just flew under the radar. 575 00:35:33,381 --> 00:35:34,966 And they didn't find him for 31 years 576 00:35:35,049 --> 00:35:37,760 because he was literally right under their noses. 577 00:35:39,512 --> 00:35:41,931 They weren't looking for somebody like my father, 578 00:35:42,014 --> 00:35:44,767 the everyday man that actually does have a family. 579 00:35:48,604 --> 00:35:50,898 [Hatteberg] The Otero murder was in 1974. 580 00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:55,153 There was the Otero murder, then another murder, then another murder, 581 00:35:55,236 --> 00:36:00,116 then some other murders, and, I mean, it was just… building onto itself. 582 00:36:01,534 --> 00:36:03,703 And then… nothing. 583 00:36:03,786 --> 00:36:06,956 [unsettling music playing] 584 00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:13,379 [man] Thirty years ago today, 15-year-old Charlie Otero comes home from school 585 00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:17,800 to find his entire family murdered, and so begins the most infamous 586 00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:21,220 unsolved serial killing spree in Wichita history. 587 00:36:23,347 --> 00:36:25,933 [Hatteberg] The newspaper did a 30th anniversary story. 588 00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:28,436 Thirty years ago, the Otero family was killed, 589 00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,771 then subsequent killings over that. 590 00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:33,399 But we haven't heard from BTK since then. 591 00:36:34,775 --> 00:36:36,485 No one knew what had happened to him. 592 00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:39,405 There were lots of theories, and I remember the theories were 593 00:36:39,488 --> 00:36:42,533 that A, he was incarcerated for another crime, 594 00:36:42,617 --> 00:36:44,243 B, he had died, 595 00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:48,915 or he had just left the country, or left the area, never to be seen again. 596 00:36:50,124 --> 00:36:52,960 When I first started here in the Wichita market 597 00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:54,921 in 1984 as an anchor, 598 00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:59,467 BTK was like this, "Oh, by the way, there's this thing called BTK." 599 00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:03,888 "He killed in the '70s, and everything's all right now." 600 00:37:03,971 --> 00:37:06,349 "And he's either dead or in prison." 601 00:37:06,432 --> 00:37:09,393 And… that's what it was, a legend. 602 00:37:10,311 --> 00:37:12,688 No one thought twice about BTK. 603 00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:14,690 He wasn't on anyone's lips. 604 00:37:15,274 --> 00:37:18,236 And that's the reason why he reappeared. 605 00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:21,656 [man] This is a breaking news alert from KAKE On Your Side. 606 00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:25,534 Good evening, everyone. The serial killer who terrorized Wichita for years 607 00:37:25,618 --> 00:37:27,370 is causing new fears tonight. 608 00:37:27,453 --> 00:37:30,790 Police now say it appears BTK is back in Wichita. 609 00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:34,085 [Peters] And the way he reappeared 610 00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:38,881 was so incredibly shocking. 611 00:37:39,382 --> 00:37:42,260 He sent the Wichita newspaper 612 00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:46,347 a driver's license from a killing 613 00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:50,643 that nobody even knew he was a part of. 614 00:37:51,644 --> 00:37:53,396 [police siren wailing] 615 00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:56,399 [Ken Landwehr] A letter received by KAKE TV was turned over to us 616 00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:57,608 last Wednesday. 617 00:37:57,692 --> 00:38:01,112 We're proceeding on the possibility that this letter is from BTK, 618 00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:04,573 and we have turned this letter over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 619 00:38:05,616 --> 00:38:09,078 After BTK sent that letter, my boss came to me and said, 620 00:38:09,161 --> 00:38:13,332 "Hey, we've been invited to participate. You want to go?" 621 00:38:13,416 --> 00:38:15,334 And I said, "Well, absolutely, absolutely." 622 00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:18,587 [reporter] BTK claims in the letter that 623 00:38:18,671 --> 00:38:21,132 Vicki Wegerle was his eighth victim. 624 00:38:21,215 --> 00:38:24,635 She was found strangled in her home in September 1986, 625 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,014 years after BTK's last known contact. 626 00:38:29,807 --> 00:38:34,228 [Lundin] That letter included photographs taken at a crime scene. 627 00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:37,481 The crime scene was of the victim, Vicki Wegerle. 628 00:38:38,524 --> 00:38:40,651 And she was murdered in her home. 629 00:38:42,361 --> 00:38:47,825 The thing about her murder is that when the emergency services crew arrived, 630 00:38:47,908 --> 00:38:52,413 the ambulance transported her from there in an attempt to save her life 631 00:38:52,496 --> 00:38:54,957 before any police detectives 632 00:38:55,041 --> 00:38:57,501 or any photographs could be taken at the crime scene. 633 00:38:57,585 --> 00:39:01,380 There were no police photographs of that crime scene. 634 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:05,301 But these photographs BTK sent us 635 00:39:05,384 --> 00:39:08,179 clearly show that victim 636 00:39:08,262 --> 00:39:11,349 in her home, basically dead. 637 00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:16,145 And so we knew, whoever this was, he was the real deal. 638 00:39:16,228 --> 00:39:17,855 He was, in fact, BTK. 639 00:39:20,024 --> 00:39:22,068 Can you imagine 640 00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:26,280 how he was overjoyed by this headline? 641 00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:32,078 That was his goal, to get the publicity. 642 00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:33,871 He got it. 643 00:39:33,954 --> 00:39:36,665 [tense music playing] 644 00:39:36,749 --> 00:39:41,420 We were just as much in shock 645 00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:45,174 as the average person on the street. 646 00:39:45,758 --> 00:39:47,885 Everyone in the media, 647 00:39:47,968 --> 00:39:52,765 and to a certain extent, police officers, were like, "What?" 648 00:39:52,848 --> 00:39:54,517 Just as everyone in Wichita, 649 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,772 KAKE employees were hoping BTK was an old story, just an old case. 650 00:39:59,855 --> 00:40:04,235 But now that police say BTK is back, old fears return. 651 00:40:04,318 --> 00:40:07,988 Stephen Relford was five years old when BTK murdered his mother, 652 00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:12,284 but what may be worse is that he and his two siblings had to hear it all. 653 00:40:12,368 --> 00:40:14,036 I still go through it today. 654 00:40:14,537 --> 00:40:16,288 -[Peters] You do? -Yes, ma'am. 655 00:40:16,372 --> 00:40:18,124 [Peters] What do you go through? 656 00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:21,335 I'm the one that opened the door to some [bleep]. 657 00:40:22,878 --> 00:40:24,630 Let him in, you know. 658 00:40:25,297 --> 00:40:26,715 You never forget that. 659 00:40:28,384 --> 00:40:32,596 It was one of the most shocking revelations of my career. 660 00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:34,765 And the worst part was 661 00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:39,478 what was he gonna do next to get publicity? 662 00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:46,402 [Lundin] As soon as this started to hit the media, 663 00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:48,654 the phone was ringing off the hook, 664 00:40:48,737 --> 00:40:50,614 emails were coming in. 665 00:40:50,698 --> 00:40:52,700 There were leads coming in, 666 00:40:52,783 --> 00:40:55,953 people suggesting who they believe BTK might be, 667 00:40:56,036 --> 00:40:57,955 or whatever kind of tips. 668 00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:00,624 And you can't work all those. 669 00:41:00,708 --> 00:41:02,960 I mean, you can't handle each and every one. 670 00:41:04,336 --> 00:41:08,466 But which one do you decide not to work? Is that the one that's gonna be the one? 671 00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:10,426 It's very, very difficult. 672 00:41:10,509 --> 00:41:12,470 [Glen Horn] Well, let me tell you what we got here. 673 00:41:12,553 --> 00:41:15,139 Let's see. We got a very suspicious letter that was sent to us. 674 00:41:15,222 --> 00:41:17,558 The outside from a Thomas B. King. 675 00:41:19,351 --> 00:41:25,107 The second communication he sent, after he resurfaced, was to KAKE TV. 676 00:41:25,191 --> 00:41:26,567 Yes, I'm Mr. Glen Horn. 677 00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:29,945 [Peters] And it was "The BTK Story," 678 00:41:30,029 --> 00:41:33,949 the book he wanted to write about himself. 679 00:41:34,033 --> 00:41:37,912 And then it said, "Chapter one, chapter two, chapter three, chapter four." 680 00:41:38,662 --> 00:41:42,750 [Horn] "The BTK story. A serial killer is born. Dawn. Fetish. Fantasy world." 681 00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:47,588 "The search begins. BTK's haunts. PJs. MO-ID-RUSE. Hits. Treasured memories." 682 00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:50,382 "Final curtain call. Dusk. Will there be more?" 683 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:53,219 [Peters] The 13th chapter. 684 00:41:54,136 --> 00:41:55,888 "Will there be more?" 685 00:41:58,974 --> 00:42:04,230 Nobody knew whether he wanted publicity that badly 686 00:42:05,189 --> 00:42:06,732 that he would kill again. 687 00:42:07,316 --> 00:42:08,776 [dramatic music playing] 688 00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:11,070 [Lundin] The FBI, the Behavioral Sciences Unit, 689 00:42:11,153 --> 00:42:13,906 gave us instruction right from the start. They said, 690 00:42:13,989 --> 00:42:18,160 "Your best chances of catching BTK are if you can keep him communicating." 691 00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:21,163 "Make him… feel comfortable 692 00:42:21,247 --> 00:42:23,040 in communicating with you." 693 00:42:23,123 --> 00:42:27,920 And after that, we began to receive communications about every month 694 00:42:28,003 --> 00:42:29,171 or six weeks. 695 00:42:29,255 --> 00:42:30,422 [reporter] Just last week, 696 00:42:30,506 --> 00:42:33,968 three packages were sent to a local TV station containing jewelry, 697 00:42:34,051 --> 00:42:35,928 perhaps from a victim. 698 00:42:36,011 --> 00:42:37,763 [woman] It was in the UPS box. 699 00:42:37,846 --> 00:42:41,308 The UPS man opened an envelope that contained pictures 700 00:42:41,392 --> 00:42:42,893 and a letter from BTK. 701 00:42:43,978 --> 00:42:46,564 [reporter] Now he seemed to dare them to come find him, 702 00:42:46,647 --> 00:42:50,776 teasing them with cryptic clues that may be true or may be not. 703 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:00,786 We knew he was watching us because he would write things 704 00:43:00,869 --> 00:43:04,748 that indicated that he was watching us on a nightly basis. 705 00:43:04,832 --> 00:43:08,002 I had mentioned, during the ten o'clock news, 706 00:43:08,502 --> 00:43:10,254 Jeff and I both have a cold. 707 00:43:10,838 --> 00:43:12,673 We got the crud or something. 708 00:43:12,756 --> 00:43:15,593 Two days later, we get a letter 709 00:43:15,676 --> 00:43:19,388 and it said, "I hope Susan's and Jeff's cold gets better." 710 00:43:21,223 --> 00:43:22,433 I still 711 00:43:23,642 --> 00:43:25,477 get the same… 712 00:43:26,895 --> 00:43:31,066 complete feeling of fear in my body 713 00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:32,735 when I talk about it. 714 00:43:33,235 --> 00:43:38,699 This is one of the most challenging cases that I've ever been involved with. 715 00:43:39,783 --> 00:43:44,788 Uh, and I find that the individual doing this would be interesting to talk to. 716 00:43:53,672 --> 00:43:58,844 [indistinct office chatter] 717 00:44:02,014 --> 00:44:04,350 [man] This one is a postcard, not a letter. 718 00:44:04,933 --> 00:44:06,268 [Horn] It says… 719 00:44:06,352 --> 00:44:11,815 "Between 69th North and 77th North on Seneca." 720 00:44:11,899 --> 00:44:14,401 "Contents Post Toasties box." 721 00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:16,737 "PJ Little Mex and Doll." 722 00:44:17,696 --> 00:44:20,991 "Let me know somehow if you or Wichita PD receive this." 723 00:44:21,742 --> 00:44:23,869 [Peters] So in this particular communication, 724 00:44:23,952 --> 00:44:26,664 he gives another clue to the police department. 725 00:44:26,747 --> 00:44:30,542 There's a Post Toasties box on this corner. 726 00:44:32,294 --> 00:44:35,297 Right away, we sent a reporter and a photographer out there. 727 00:44:36,799 --> 00:44:39,677 It was way out on a country road under a stop sign. 728 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,262 And we got all kinds of footage. 729 00:44:44,181 --> 00:44:46,934 [reporter] Lieutenant Ken Landwehr and Detective Kelly Otis arrive 730 00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:50,813 a short time later, and investigators spend hours at the scene. 731 00:44:50,896 --> 00:44:53,357 Police have asked us not to reveal the location 732 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,734 until they have time to investigate. 733 00:44:56,944 --> 00:44:59,238 [Peters] The police came and got the cereal box. 734 00:44:59,321 --> 00:45:01,281 They're the ones who opened it up. 735 00:45:01,865 --> 00:45:04,410 And inside was a Barbie doll 736 00:45:05,327 --> 00:45:07,037 with a noose around its neck. 737 00:45:10,833 --> 00:45:13,711 [Lundin] Through his cereal box communications, 738 00:45:13,794 --> 00:45:17,798 he expressed his desire to communicate with us through floppy disks. 739 00:45:17,881 --> 00:45:22,928 And, uh, he was concerned that we might be able to track him down. 740 00:45:23,011 --> 00:45:25,806 And he said, "Will it identify me?" 741 00:45:25,889 --> 00:45:29,810 And then he said something very interesting. He said, "Be honest." 742 00:45:32,938 --> 00:45:37,943 And then after that, he directed us to make our reply through the newspaper, 743 00:45:38,026 --> 00:45:40,320 and say, "Rex, it will be okay." 744 00:45:41,113 --> 00:45:44,575 Kenny Landwehr placed the ad, just like BTK had asked. 745 00:45:44,658 --> 00:45:46,910 And he followed up and sent us a disk. 746 00:45:48,537 --> 00:45:53,834 The metadata indicated it had been used at the Park City Public Library, 747 00:45:53,917 --> 00:45:55,461 Christ Lutheran Church… 748 00:45:55,544 --> 00:45:57,212 And then a username. 749 00:45:57,296 --> 00:45:59,548 And the name was simply "Dennis." 750 00:46:00,632 --> 00:46:05,053 Within minutes, cross-checking the two organizations that was listed 751 00:46:05,137 --> 00:46:07,973 showed that a person by the name of Dennis Rader 752 00:46:08,056 --> 00:46:12,060 was the Congregational President of Christ Lutheran Church. 753 00:46:14,438 --> 00:46:18,692 The IT people of Wichita PD were just, you know, they were thrilled. 754 00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:20,736 [intriguing music playing] 755 00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:23,864 And eventually, they came up with an address in Park City, 756 00:46:23,947 --> 00:46:25,407 just outside of Wichita. 757 00:46:26,408 --> 00:46:29,495 I was ready. I was like, "This is it. Let's go get him." 758 00:46:29,578 --> 00:46:33,707 But Kenny Landwehr said, "We need to know absolutely that this is BTK." 759 00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:35,167 "We need to get his DNA." 760 00:46:36,627 --> 00:46:40,464 I noticed that his daughter had attended Kansas State University. 761 00:46:40,547 --> 00:46:43,467 And I knew from having attended the university, 762 00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:47,805 that, if you're a student there, and you have any kind of medical issue, 763 00:46:47,888 --> 00:46:50,307 you're gonna go through Lafine Student Health Center. 764 00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:53,560 And I said, "I'm gonna stop in and see if they have anything." 765 00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:57,898 Records indicate while she was a student here, she had a pap smear. 766 00:46:57,981 --> 00:46:59,858 They surrendered the sample to me. 767 00:46:59,942 --> 00:47:02,444 I submitted it for DNA analysis. 768 00:47:02,528 --> 00:47:04,905 And eventually, I got a phone call. 769 00:47:04,988 --> 00:47:08,242 "It is the offspring of your BTK." 770 00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:12,204 So the first phone call I made was to Kenny Landwehr. 771 00:47:12,287 --> 00:47:13,413 "Kenny, it's him." 772 00:47:13,914 --> 00:47:16,792 "Oh. All right. We'll see you first thing in the morning." 773 00:47:17,793 --> 00:47:19,795 [suspenseful music playing] 774 00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:28,262 [indistinct chatter on police radio] 775 00:47:30,764 --> 00:47:34,643 That morning, the newsroom started picking up monitor traffic 776 00:47:34,726 --> 00:47:38,105 from the police department, and our assignment folks said, 777 00:47:38,188 --> 00:47:40,482 "Something's going down in Park City." 778 00:47:40,566 --> 00:47:43,652 "Don't know what, but somebody needs to get up there." 779 00:47:43,735 --> 00:47:45,946 [man on radio] Cab 6, this is checkmate 1-6, over. 780 00:47:46,029 --> 00:47:48,824 [Lundin] We knew that Dennis Rader worked for the city of Park City 781 00:47:48,907 --> 00:47:51,910 and that he leaves and goes home for lunch every day. 782 00:47:51,994 --> 00:47:56,540 And so we set up on a road adjacent to his home 783 00:47:56,623 --> 00:47:59,084 and waited for him to drive around. 784 00:48:01,962 --> 00:48:05,674 When he went by us, the marked car pulled out behind him, 785 00:48:05,757 --> 00:48:09,136 flipped on his emergency lights, and got him to pull over. 786 00:48:09,219 --> 00:48:11,388 [siren wailing] 787 00:48:11,471 --> 00:48:14,725 In my mind, I was thinking, "He's going to know this is the end." 788 00:48:14,808 --> 00:48:17,477 "And I think he's gonna want to go out in a blaze of glory." 789 00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:19,104 And I didn't want that. 790 00:48:20,188 --> 00:48:23,483 And I pulled up by the uniform marked car, 791 00:48:23,567 --> 00:48:28,113 and I got to Dennis Rader's truck just at the time he was opening the door 792 00:48:28,196 --> 00:48:30,073 and starting to get out. 793 00:48:30,157 --> 00:48:32,159 I just grabbed him and… 794 00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:35,412 just spun him around, took him straight down to the concrete. 795 00:48:39,207 --> 00:48:43,503 At that point, I was joined by several other members of the task force. 796 00:48:43,587 --> 00:48:47,007 -[helicopter blades whirring] -[sirens blaring] 797 00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:49,426 And we get him handcuffed, pick him up, 798 00:48:49,509 --> 00:48:52,471 and I'm standing there, still got a hold of him, 799 00:48:52,554 --> 00:48:55,432 and he turns to me and looks at me and says, 800 00:48:55,515 --> 00:48:58,852 "Would you mind telling my wife I won't be home for lunch?" 801 00:48:58,936 --> 00:49:00,479 "I assume you know where I live." 802 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,857 [siren wails] 803 00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:10,906 [Rawson] My father was arrested in '05, and I was 26. 804 00:49:10,989 --> 00:49:14,701 And, you know, the whole world just upended on me and my husband. 805 00:49:14,785 --> 00:49:16,161 We had been married 18 months. 806 00:49:16,244 --> 00:49:19,414 We were really just kids living in Michigan, alone, no family. 807 00:49:20,123 --> 00:49:23,418 And we had one interview with the FBI that first weekend, 808 00:49:23,502 --> 00:49:27,172 and then it was like… "See you later. You're on your own." 809 00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:33,136 I was extremely mad. I was mad about the DNA. 810 00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:35,263 I thought it was an invasion of my privacy. 811 00:49:35,347 --> 00:49:37,557 I was embarrassed about the pap smear. 812 00:49:37,641 --> 00:49:42,020 Like, I was already mad at the police. I was mad at the FBI. 813 00:49:42,104 --> 00:49:43,730 I was mad at everybody. 814 00:49:43,814 --> 00:49:45,607 It was just… Our lives were just gone. 815 00:49:45,691 --> 00:49:48,235 Upheaval, totally insane. I was just mad at everybody. 816 00:49:50,195 --> 00:49:54,324 [Lundin] After the arrest, I got assigned to execute the search warrant 817 00:49:54,408 --> 00:49:57,744 of the house that Dennis Rader lived in with his wife. 818 00:49:58,328 --> 00:50:01,289 When I walked in the door, the first thing I was confronted with 819 00:50:01,373 --> 00:50:04,793 was pictures on the wall, above the couch, 820 00:50:04,876 --> 00:50:09,840 that showed him and the family attending K-State functions, 821 00:50:09,923 --> 00:50:13,468 KSU functions, football games, whatever. All kinds of things. 822 00:50:13,552 --> 00:50:16,388 And I was like… And I was like, "Oh wow." 823 00:50:17,055 --> 00:50:19,182 The stuff that we found in the house 824 00:50:19,266 --> 00:50:22,144 just kind of created more questions in my mind. 825 00:50:23,103 --> 00:50:25,605 For example, as you enter the front door, 826 00:50:26,148 --> 00:50:27,774 is a… like a coat closet. 827 00:50:28,525 --> 00:50:30,485 But on the… on the shelf, 828 00:50:30,569 --> 00:50:33,113 right above the coats, was a kill kit. 829 00:50:34,156 --> 00:50:38,326 It was a little bag that had pre-knotted ropes, uh, a bandana. 830 00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:42,080 There were handcuffs, a .32 auto pistol. 831 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,708 [indistinct police radio chatter] 832 00:50:44,791 --> 00:50:48,045 The shed out back had some interesting things in there. 833 00:50:48,128 --> 00:50:52,340 Some trophies, jewelry. Things that had touched their skin. 834 00:50:52,424 --> 00:50:54,718 Clothing, underwear in particular. 835 00:50:54,801 --> 00:50:56,178 He kept all of it. 836 00:50:57,429 --> 00:51:00,640 Stuff that obviously could have been used, 837 00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:04,019 might have been used in torturing some of his victims. 838 00:51:10,567 --> 00:51:13,445 As an investigator, I found it very, very disturbing. 839 00:51:13,528 --> 00:51:17,657 And I thought, "Boy, this is really giving us a look at his mind." 840 00:51:18,867 --> 00:51:21,620 This is the hot spot, drawing hundreds out here 841 00:51:21,703 --> 00:51:23,705 just to come by and see the scene. 842 00:51:23,789 --> 00:51:27,167 Park City, a small community where everyone knows everyone else, 843 00:51:27,250 --> 00:51:28,710 or so they thought. 844 00:51:31,379 --> 00:51:35,592 [Lundin] I talked to his wife, and she was in absolute denial. 845 00:51:35,675 --> 00:51:36,635 She said, "Oh no." 846 00:51:36,718 --> 00:51:39,513 She was very nice, very cordial. She didn't scream at us. 847 00:51:39,596 --> 00:51:41,890 She said, "Oh no. You've got the wrong person." 848 00:51:41,973 --> 00:51:45,477 And while we were talking with her, Kerri called in. 849 00:51:46,436 --> 00:51:49,564 We didn't get a hold of my mom until later that day. 850 00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:52,317 And she was a mess. She was like me. 851 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,736 Her and I just couldn't compute together. 852 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,656 She told Kerri, she said, "You know your father." 853 00:51:57,739 --> 00:52:01,576 "You know this is not right. This is a… This has been a horrible mistake." 854 00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:04,246 "That is… He is not a killer." 855 00:52:04,329 --> 00:52:05,455 "This is not him." 856 00:52:07,666 --> 00:52:10,168 I didn't think I was gonna make it through that night. 857 00:52:13,505 --> 00:52:15,507 I mean, you're two people 858 00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:19,302 who live together, interact together, 859 00:52:19,845 --> 00:52:22,681 share a lot of things in common. 860 00:52:22,764 --> 00:52:25,183 Do I think she… she knew anything? 861 00:52:25,767 --> 00:52:28,019 No. Um… 862 00:52:28,103 --> 00:52:30,397 Probably as close as she ever came 863 00:52:31,231 --> 00:52:32,149 was… 864 00:52:32,232 --> 00:52:35,193 They were sitting watching television, 865 00:52:35,277 --> 00:52:37,195 and one of the media outlets 866 00:52:37,279 --> 00:52:39,614 was reading one of the communications. 867 00:52:39,698 --> 00:52:43,743 And after the news feature was over, 868 00:52:43,827 --> 00:52:46,079 she said, "That BTK guy, 869 00:52:46,663 --> 00:52:48,623 he writes just like you do." 870 00:52:49,541 --> 00:52:51,543 And he… 871 00:52:52,627 --> 00:52:54,880 He did not say anything, 872 00:52:54,963 --> 00:52:58,758 but I got the distinct impression down deep in my gut, 873 00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:00,343 had she pursued that, 874 00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:03,638 he'd have gotten rid of her. 875 00:53:08,268 --> 00:53:10,604 -[man] Dennis, I have a question to ask. -[Rader] Mm-hmm? 876 00:53:10,687 --> 00:53:13,190 [man] How do you think we came to come to talk to you? 877 00:53:14,399 --> 00:53:15,567 Well, I don't know. 878 00:53:16,943 --> 00:53:20,238 Well, as a suspect, I assume you have something on me. 879 00:53:20,322 --> 00:53:21,823 [man] Aren't you curious what it is? 880 00:53:21,907 --> 00:53:22,908 Well, yeah. 881 00:53:24,868 --> 00:53:26,536 [man] Want us to share that with you? 882 00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:29,331 [Lundin] His initial interview was with Kenny Landwehr 883 00:53:29,414 --> 00:53:32,626 and one of the behavioral scientists from the FBI. 884 00:53:33,793 --> 00:53:36,087 Kenny basically laid out, 885 00:53:36,171 --> 00:53:39,674 you know, all the damning evidence that we had against him. 886 00:53:40,258 --> 00:53:42,469 -[Landwehr] Do you know what that is? -A floppy. 887 00:53:42,552 --> 00:53:43,678 [Landwehr] Yeah. 888 00:53:43,762 --> 00:53:48,308 And I mean the reasons why there are a whole… a whole lot of money 889 00:53:48,391 --> 00:53:51,645 used on computer forensic people is for kiddie porn. 890 00:53:51,728 --> 00:53:53,772 -Pardon? No, no. -[Landwehr] It's kiddie porn. 891 00:53:53,855 --> 00:53:57,025 And so the FBI and locals 892 00:53:57,817 --> 00:53:59,152 got really good 893 00:53:59,236 --> 00:54:01,029 at looking at people's disks 894 00:54:01,112 --> 00:54:03,490 and being able to track those down. 895 00:54:03,573 --> 00:54:05,659 -That's interesting. -So if we get… 896 00:54:05,742 --> 00:54:10,205 So if we receive something like that, then we can go in there 897 00:54:10,288 --> 00:54:15,377 and we can find that it came from Christ Lutheran Church. 898 00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:18,505 Then we can go to some of those computers and find out 899 00:54:18,588 --> 00:54:21,758 that the person that was logged onto that would be Dennis. 900 00:54:22,550 --> 00:54:25,679 [Lundin] And when it came to the DNA, he knew that was it. 901 00:54:25,762 --> 00:54:27,681 Kenny Landwehr told him, you know, he said, 902 00:54:27,764 --> 00:54:30,267 "We got your DNA match through your daughter." 903 00:54:30,350 --> 00:54:33,019 [Landwehr] Things have occurred medically with your children. 904 00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:35,897 And I can take those samples. I can test those. 905 00:54:35,981 --> 00:54:39,901 And I know that BTK is the father of your children. 906 00:54:39,985 --> 00:54:41,695 That's what brings me to you. 907 00:54:41,778 --> 00:54:42,862 [Rader] Wow. 908 00:54:42,946 --> 00:54:45,824 And I think that just… That really sunk him. 909 00:54:45,907 --> 00:54:46,908 You could tell. 910 00:54:46,992 --> 00:54:50,745 He said, "Dennis." He said, "Tell us, tell us who you are." 911 00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:52,497 [man] Why don't you just say it? 912 00:54:53,081 --> 00:54:54,541 Guess you guys know… 913 00:54:55,083 --> 00:54:57,252 -[Landwehr] What else? -[man] Say it, say who you are. 914 00:54:57,335 --> 00:54:58,295 BTK. 915 00:54:58,378 --> 00:54:59,462 [man] You're BTK. 916 00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:06,678 Once he was able to say that, to law enforcement, 917 00:55:06,761 --> 00:55:10,724 I mean, the floodgates just opened, and he talked about every crime. 918 00:55:10,807 --> 00:55:12,517 Two crimes that we 919 00:55:13,476 --> 00:55:15,854 hadn't previously linked to him. 920 00:55:16,646 --> 00:55:18,315 That was project "Dogside." 921 00:55:19,441 --> 00:55:21,359 That's the code name for her. 922 00:55:21,943 --> 00:55:25,196 I basically had some free time in the evening. 923 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,407 I killed her on a Friday night. 924 00:55:28,742 --> 00:55:34,372 [reporter] January 19th, 1991. Dolores D. Davis abducted from her home. 925 00:55:34,456 --> 00:55:36,666 Her body was found 13 days later 926 00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:39,336 under a bridge in Northern Sedgwick County. 927 00:55:40,754 --> 00:55:42,380 Well, I proceeded to tie her up, 928 00:55:42,464 --> 00:55:45,300 and then I think she realized that that was gonna go bad. 929 00:55:45,383 --> 00:55:47,052 She said, "Don't kill me, don't kill me." 930 00:55:47,135 --> 00:55:49,971 And I slipped the pantyhose over her head and strangled her. 931 00:55:51,389 --> 00:55:54,100 Took her up there, dropped her off 932 00:55:55,226 --> 00:55:56,353 under the bridge. 933 00:55:58,229 --> 00:55:59,939 [Rawson] January of '91… 934 00:56:00,899 --> 00:56:04,778 Now my mom is really sick, and she's in the hospital 935 00:56:04,861 --> 00:56:07,238 for like ten or 12 days with pneumonia. 936 00:56:07,322 --> 00:56:10,700 And Dad's all stressed out because he's out of work. 937 00:56:11,534 --> 00:56:13,953 We don't have enough money. He's trying to cook for us. 938 00:56:15,622 --> 00:56:17,874 He couldn't cook. He made weird eggs. 939 00:56:21,753 --> 00:56:24,339 Not long after that, he murdered Mrs. Davis. 940 00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:31,221 He put her body in the back of our station wagon. 941 00:56:34,057 --> 00:56:37,644 He then gave me that station wagon to drive in high school. 942 00:56:39,771 --> 00:56:42,399 I just… I was like, "No, that's not okay." 943 00:56:42,482 --> 00:56:43,400 [chuckles ruefully] 944 00:56:43,483 --> 00:56:46,403 Thinking that Mrs. Davis had been in that vehicle. 945 00:56:49,489 --> 00:56:52,700 [Landwehr] I have been assigned the investigation of Marine Hedge. 946 00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:54,661 And, uh… 947 00:56:55,912 --> 00:56:59,999 I'd kinda like to know… how did you get drawn to her? 948 00:57:00,708 --> 00:57:02,502 [Rader] Well, as I explained to the other guys, 949 00:57:02,585 --> 00:57:04,879 I had a whole bunch of these going on all the time. 950 00:57:04,963 --> 00:57:07,632 I call them projects. She was "Project Flower." 951 00:57:07,715 --> 00:57:09,384 No, cookie, "Project Cookie." 952 00:57:10,885 --> 00:57:13,430 [ominous music playing] 953 00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:17,058 [Rawson] I remember when I was six, 954 00:57:17,142 --> 00:57:19,769 our neighbor, Mrs. Hedge, had gone missing. 955 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,899 They found her body a couple weeks later, and that she was found strangled. 956 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,901 [Rader] Uh, I did this 957 00:57:27,402 --> 00:57:29,070 on a Scout thing. 958 00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:31,281 It's a good cover for a guy like me. 959 00:57:31,364 --> 00:57:34,200 You go out and camp out and slip away. 960 00:57:34,284 --> 00:57:36,786 I parked my car at the bowling alley. 961 00:57:37,996 --> 00:57:41,374 I got my bowling bag, and I buy a beer. 962 00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:44,544 I cut the phone lines, pop this real quiet like, 963 00:57:44,627 --> 00:57:45,962 and creep in here. 964 00:57:48,381 --> 00:57:50,967 [Rawson] My dad's hit kit from Hedge's murder, 965 00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:54,429 it was a maroon bowling bag, old with a white stripe. 966 00:57:55,722 --> 00:57:58,641 Dad didn't bowl. We only went bowling a few times. 967 00:57:59,225 --> 00:58:02,061 You know, why is my mom not being… like, saying, 968 00:58:02,145 --> 00:58:04,939 "Hey, why do you have a bowling bag all of a sudden?" 969 00:58:06,649 --> 00:58:11,571 But where it gets crazy is that after he murdered Mrs. Hedge in her bed, 970 00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:14,657 he carried her out in a blanket, 971 00:58:15,241 --> 00:58:18,369 put her in her car, in the trunk, 972 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:23,541 took her to Christ Lutheran Church, where we go to church. 973 00:58:23,625 --> 00:58:26,419 And then he undresses her, changes her clothes, 974 00:58:27,504 --> 00:58:32,050 and he takes photographs while he does bondage on her dead body. 975 00:58:33,468 --> 00:58:36,971 [man] So you'd already decided that you wanted to take her to the church. 976 00:58:37,055 --> 00:58:40,600 Whether alive or dead, she was going to that church. 977 00:58:41,351 --> 00:58:45,688 Basically, I was trying to work toward the BTK lair, 978 00:58:45,772 --> 00:58:48,316 the home, the torture chamber thing. 979 00:58:48,942 --> 00:58:52,111 That's what I was working towards in my fantasy world. 980 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,243 [Rawson] When I was a kid, I remember one Sunday, 981 00:58:58,326 --> 00:59:00,620 I'm at Christ Lutheran Church, 982 00:59:00,703 --> 00:59:03,164 and I'm climbing these really tall, 983 00:59:03,248 --> 00:59:06,626 narrow pine trees that I always climbed at church. 984 00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:12,257 When they found Mrs. Hedge a few weeks later, 985 00:59:12,340 --> 00:59:15,718 they found some weird, long pine needles next to her body. 986 00:59:16,469 --> 00:59:20,265 And they didn't know where they came from, because pines are pretty rare in Kansas. 987 00:59:20,348 --> 00:59:22,850 To have a pine tree here, you've had to plant it. 988 00:59:25,019 --> 00:59:28,856 Those pine needles came from those pine trees I climbed at church. 989 00:59:37,031 --> 00:59:41,661 [Lundin] It was clear to me that he was very proud of these killings. 990 00:59:41,744 --> 00:59:43,162 He wished… 991 00:59:43,746 --> 00:59:47,125 He wished out loud to us that there were more. 992 00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:51,713 He told us. He said, "If I was a lone wolf, 993 00:59:51,796 --> 00:59:56,718 without all my social obligations, family, church, work…" 994 00:59:57,260 --> 00:59:59,387 He said, "If I didn't have to do all that, 995 01:00:00,305 --> 01:00:02,557 there would have been a lot more murders." 996 01:00:06,102 --> 01:00:07,979 The national media is starting to gather here, 997 01:00:08,062 --> 01:00:10,398 and we're getting people from Good Morning America, 998 01:00:10,481 --> 01:00:12,025 from CNN, Dateline, Primetime Live. 999 01:00:12,108 --> 01:00:15,653 They will all be converging on Wichita as the day progresses, 1000 01:00:15,737 --> 01:00:19,240 because this story is a story of national proportions. 1001 01:00:19,324 --> 01:00:21,618 [people murmuring] 1002 01:00:21,701 --> 01:00:23,953 [applause] 1003 01:00:24,037 --> 01:00:29,917 Of course, everyone's covering it live, and the Wichita police chief says… 1004 01:00:30,585 --> 01:00:33,963 The bottom line… BTK is arrested. 1005 01:00:34,464 --> 01:00:37,425 [cheers and applause] 1006 01:00:38,843 --> 01:00:40,595 [Peters] A cheer went up in the crowd. 1007 01:00:40,678 --> 01:00:43,514 There was a crowd there at that news conference. 1008 01:00:45,975 --> 01:00:50,188 And the national media was there going, "Who are these people cheering?" 1009 01:00:50,271 --> 01:00:54,025 But they didn't understand the relief we felt 1010 01:00:54,108 --> 01:00:56,444 that he was finally captured. 1011 01:00:57,528 --> 01:01:00,990 [reporter] For the city of Wichita, its police and its victims, 1012 01:01:01,074 --> 01:01:05,453 relief today after authorities arrested 59-year-old Dennis Rader. 1013 01:01:05,536 --> 01:01:08,539 It's kind of unbelievable, but it's good. It's good. 1014 01:01:09,248 --> 01:01:11,209 So we'll get rid of it all. 1015 01:01:11,292 --> 01:01:14,712 It'll all come out in the end, and he'll get… what's due him. 1016 01:01:14,796 --> 01:01:16,506 [man] It was a law enforcement team effort. 1017 01:01:16,589 --> 01:01:18,508 [Peters] What do you think about the fact that 1018 01:01:18,591 --> 01:01:21,427 he's lived in this community for all these years? 1019 01:01:23,179 --> 01:01:25,139 Living, breathing, working. 1020 01:01:26,933 --> 01:01:29,310 He's a smart, stupid son of a bitch. 1021 01:01:30,812 --> 01:01:31,896 It's all right. 1022 01:01:33,731 --> 01:01:36,984 I remember my brother calling me, um, the morning of the press conference. 1023 01:01:37,068 --> 01:01:41,114 He said, "They're saying that it's the Park City dogcatcher." 1024 01:01:41,197 --> 01:01:44,742 And I remember going, "What?" 1025 01:01:44,826 --> 01:01:49,038 I mean, "Park City dogcatcher"? There's only one Park City dogcatcher. 1026 01:01:50,331 --> 01:01:51,874 That's Kerri's dad. 1027 01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:57,672 I'll never forget my dad going, "There's no way it was Dennis." 1028 01:01:57,755 --> 01:01:59,966 And then I was glued to the television. 1029 01:02:00,758 --> 01:02:03,553 [Peters] Neighbors who I've talked to remember the people 1030 01:02:03,636 --> 01:02:06,514 who lived at the house where the police converged on. 1031 01:02:06,597 --> 01:02:11,269 It's terrifying. My parents called me. My dad was just about in tears. 1032 01:02:11,352 --> 01:02:14,856 Just the thought that… I'm a single mom with my two kids in this house, 1033 01:02:14,939 --> 01:02:16,983 and this man's been in my house several times. 1034 01:02:17,066 --> 01:02:19,736 I was totally, totally, totally shocked 1035 01:02:19,819 --> 01:02:21,612 that it could be anyone from this congregation 1036 01:02:21,696 --> 01:02:22,947 or anyone that I knew. 1037 01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:27,410 During the time that I have known Dennis, I can say that there is nothing 1038 01:02:27,493 --> 01:02:32,123 in our conversations that would even tend to lead to these accusations. 1039 01:02:32,665 --> 01:02:34,250 He was a great Scout leader. 1040 01:02:34,751 --> 01:02:38,045 You know, it's just as he got older and his kids got older and moved out, 1041 01:02:38,129 --> 01:02:40,006 he'd just kind of gotten a little weird. 1042 01:02:40,548 --> 01:02:45,595 I think the biggest shock for Wichita was that he was just a regular guy. 1043 01:02:45,678 --> 01:02:48,389 Had a job, you know, went to his work every day. 1044 01:02:48,473 --> 01:02:51,100 He had a family, had a wife, he had two kids. 1045 01:02:51,809 --> 01:02:53,603 And he's a serial killer? 1046 01:02:53,686 --> 01:02:57,190 Everybody wanted an interview with Paula or Kerri or her brother. 1047 01:02:57,273 --> 01:02:58,858 Everybody wanted that. 1048 01:03:01,903 --> 01:03:03,196 Of course, they're saying, 1049 01:03:03,279 --> 01:03:05,615 "How did you not know? How did they not know?" 1050 01:03:05,698 --> 01:03:08,409 And I remember being very, very protective of them, 1051 01:03:08,493 --> 01:03:10,453 that… they didn't know. 1052 01:03:10,536 --> 01:03:11,704 None of us knew. 1053 01:03:12,955 --> 01:03:15,500 He didn't just fool his family. 1054 01:03:15,583 --> 01:03:17,293 He fooled a church. 1055 01:03:18,336 --> 01:03:20,546 He fooled an entire city. 1056 01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:23,132 He literally fooled everybody. 1057 01:03:25,468 --> 01:03:30,473 [solemn music playing] 1058 01:03:32,266 --> 01:03:33,309 [igniter clicks] 1059 01:03:38,231 --> 01:03:42,819 [Rawson] That first weekend, after my, um… father was arrested, 1060 01:03:43,486 --> 01:03:46,697 you know… like, my mom was not well at all. 1061 01:03:46,781 --> 01:03:48,407 She was in shock. I was in shock. 1062 01:03:48,491 --> 01:03:50,535 Um, my grandparents were there. 1063 01:03:50,618 --> 01:03:52,161 My cousins were there. 1064 01:03:52,829 --> 01:03:55,957 My aunt ran out and got Kentucky Fried Chicken, 1065 01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,292 like, with all the fixings. 1066 01:03:58,793 --> 01:04:00,628 And we all just, like, sat around and ate. 1067 01:04:00,711 --> 01:04:03,172 And to me, it felt like being at a funeral. 1068 01:04:03,756 --> 01:04:05,758 [eerie music playing] 1069 01:04:06,759 --> 01:04:09,470 And you're just sitting down, and you're just having a meal. 1070 01:04:09,554 --> 01:04:12,348 And, like, even in that moment, you're laughing a little bit, 1071 01:04:12,431 --> 01:04:14,433 or you're crying at the same time. 1072 01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:15,977 You're sharing stories. 1073 01:04:16,561 --> 01:04:21,315 You know, and my mom said, really quickly then, she goes, 1074 01:04:21,399 --> 01:04:24,944 "It feels like your father has died and that we're gathered here 1075 01:04:25,027 --> 01:04:26,445 after his funeral." 1076 01:04:27,071 --> 01:04:28,865 And I said, "Yeah, I know, Mom." 1077 01:04:29,949 --> 01:04:32,285 [melancholy music playing] 1078 01:04:32,368 --> 01:04:34,579 And then my mom, the first night, 1079 01:04:34,662 --> 01:04:37,498 she was, like, crying, and she wanted me to sleep in her bed. 1080 01:04:37,582 --> 01:04:40,501 And I was like, I couldn't. I couldn't handle it. It was too much. 1081 01:04:41,043 --> 01:04:43,796 I was still shaking and still completely severed. 1082 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,674 And I just… it was too much. I could not. And I, like… 1083 01:04:47,592 --> 01:04:50,636 literally had to leave my mom, alone. 1084 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,265 I just… I just… It was too much. I just couldn't do it. 1085 01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:03,733 The relationship with my mother is not existent at this moment. 1086 01:05:03,816 --> 01:05:05,318 It is estranged. 1087 01:05:05,985 --> 01:05:09,071 Um, we were good growing up, 1088 01:05:09,155 --> 01:05:13,743 and, um… good after the arrest. 1089 01:05:15,161 --> 01:05:16,412 But I toed the line. 1090 01:05:18,831 --> 01:05:22,835 You don't talk about it. You just pull yourself up and go to work. 1091 01:05:23,753 --> 01:05:25,087 You don't tell people. 1092 01:05:28,215 --> 01:05:30,384 I'm the only one that's public of my family. 1093 01:05:33,304 --> 01:05:37,058 I don't know. It's frustrating as hell because, 1094 01:05:38,351 --> 01:05:41,646 like, Dad is still alive. He's still my father, right? 1095 01:05:41,729 --> 01:05:45,024 So for my mom, she can divorce him. 1096 01:05:45,107 --> 01:05:47,318 She can cut him off. She has that power. 1097 01:05:47,401 --> 01:05:49,278 Separate her life, try to move on. 1098 01:05:49,862 --> 01:05:52,281 For me and my brother, we don't have that. 1099 01:05:52,365 --> 01:05:54,867 He's always my dad, right? I look like him. 1100 01:05:55,534 --> 01:05:56,744 So for me, 1101 01:05:56,827 --> 01:05:58,913 I never thought of my dad as dead. 1102 01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:06,295 Early on, I… The pastor said he thought it would help 1103 01:06:06,379 --> 01:06:09,465 if we would write my dad and say what we needed to say. 1104 01:06:10,841 --> 01:06:15,096 So I started writing letters to my father in March of '05. 1105 01:06:15,805 --> 01:06:18,599 "Dad, hello. I am physically doing okay." 1106 01:06:18,683 --> 01:06:20,643 "I am safe and home in Michigan." 1107 01:06:21,394 --> 01:06:23,688 "The media was reporting I turned you in." 1108 01:06:23,771 --> 01:06:24,855 "That's not true." 1109 01:06:24,939 --> 01:06:29,193 "I didn't know anything like everyone else until the FBI knocked on my door." 1110 01:06:29,777 --> 01:06:32,363 "I tried to tell them what a great man you are, 1111 01:06:32,446 --> 01:06:33,906 what a wonderful dad you are, 1112 01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:36,951 how they totally had screwed up and arrested the wrong guy." 1113 01:06:37,034 --> 01:06:39,829 "I tried. We all did, but they didn't listen." 1114 01:06:40,746 --> 01:06:43,290 "We don't know who that other man is, 1115 01:06:43,374 --> 01:06:47,044 but we love the husband and father and man we know with all our hearts." 1116 01:06:48,212 --> 01:06:50,631 "I was wondering if something happened to you as a boy 1117 01:06:50,715 --> 01:06:52,842 and if you wanted to open up and talk about it." 1118 01:06:52,925 --> 01:06:55,594 "I'm so sorry if something did happen to you." 1119 01:06:55,678 --> 01:06:59,432 "You should know it's not your fault if something happened when you were little." 1120 01:06:59,515 --> 01:07:03,728 "Someday we would like answers if you're able to give them or have them yourself." 1121 01:07:04,687 --> 01:07:09,233 I was trying to be really careful in my letter, and not express anger, 1122 01:07:09,316 --> 01:07:12,903 not express too much emotion, let him know I still loved him. 1123 01:07:15,573 --> 01:07:18,701 He returned my letter March 26, 2005. 1124 01:07:19,326 --> 01:07:22,538 "Dear Kerri, happy belated Easter wish." 1125 01:07:22,621 --> 01:07:24,290 "Thank you so much for your letter." 1126 01:07:24,373 --> 01:07:26,751 "I was overjoyed with emotions and happiness." 1127 01:07:26,834 --> 01:07:28,002 "I was beginning to think 1128 01:07:28,085 --> 01:07:30,379 no family members were going to write to me." 1129 01:07:31,172 --> 01:07:32,548 "Your letter was very sincere, 1130 01:07:32,631 --> 01:07:35,885 and I can tell it came from a very loving and understanding daughter." 1131 01:07:35,968 --> 01:07:38,095 "Arraignment is on April 19." 1132 01:07:38,179 --> 01:07:41,682 "We talked about a plea for insanity, but I don't know whether 1133 01:07:41,766 --> 01:07:46,145 the state hospital or the prison will be the best in the long run." 1134 01:07:48,606 --> 01:07:50,733 He was wavering back and forth, 1135 01:07:50,816 --> 01:07:52,985 and we didn't understand what was going on. 1136 01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:55,404 Like, you know what they have on you. 1137 01:07:55,488 --> 01:07:57,615 You did it. Just, you know, man up. 1138 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,534 You know, it was frustrating, so frustrating. 1139 01:08:01,410 --> 01:08:03,454 We didn't want to go through trial. 1140 01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:08,959 But then in June of '05, my dad pled guilty, 1141 01:08:09,585 --> 01:08:14,131 and that was the first time we had addressed it square in the face. 1142 01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:19,095 [reporter] It's difficult to believe that this is the man who authorities say 1143 01:08:19,178 --> 01:08:23,516 terrorized the city of Wichita, Kansas, since 1974. 1144 01:08:23,599 --> 01:08:26,393 But Rader is charged with ten counts of murder 1145 01:08:26,477 --> 01:08:30,022 in the cases that have come to be known as BTK. 1146 01:08:30,898 --> 01:08:33,984 [reporter 2] In the courtroom, families of some of BTK's victims 1147 01:08:34,068 --> 01:08:38,697 got their first real look at the man police believe killed their loved ones. 1148 01:08:39,198 --> 01:08:40,407 [bailiff] Please rise. 1149 01:08:42,993 --> 01:08:47,706 [Peters] Dennis Rader's preliminary hearing was in June of 2005. 1150 01:08:48,374 --> 01:08:51,544 And he pled guilty. We go, "Okay, good, now we can go home." 1151 01:08:51,627 --> 01:08:52,920 No way. 1152 01:08:55,172 --> 01:08:59,093 Dennis Rader went into detail 1153 01:08:59,176 --> 01:09:01,720 of each murder. 1154 01:09:01,804 --> 01:09:06,517 [judge] I want you to tell me in your own words why you believe you're guilty. 1155 01:09:07,184 --> 01:09:09,228 We will start off with count number one. 1156 01:09:09,979 --> 01:09:12,439 I had never strangled anyone before, 1157 01:09:12,523 --> 01:09:15,359 so I didn't know how much pressure you had to put on a person 1158 01:09:15,442 --> 01:09:16,819 or how long it would take. 1159 01:09:16,902 --> 01:09:20,030 She was fighting. I was basically losing control. 1160 01:09:20,114 --> 01:09:24,493 The strangulation wasn't working on her, and I used a knife on her. 1161 01:09:24,577 --> 01:09:27,621 Got her a glass of water, comforted her a little bit, 1162 01:09:27,705 --> 01:09:30,457 and then I went ahead and tied her up, and then, 1163 01:09:30,541 --> 01:09:33,043 put a bag over her head and strangled her. 1164 01:09:33,127 --> 01:09:36,338 [reporter] It was like this for 45 terrible minutes. 1165 01:09:36,422 --> 01:09:38,716 60-year-old Dennis Rader calmly, 1166 01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:42,887 even clinically, detailing the ten murders he says he committed. 1167 01:09:43,762 --> 01:09:46,557 We stayed away from court. We didn't want to be in there. 1168 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,309 We couldn't handle the media. 1169 01:09:48,392 --> 01:09:51,437 We wanted the families to have that time in court. 1170 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,441 We didn't want to cause a disruption. We just really could not handle it. 1171 01:09:56,692 --> 01:10:00,863 It was really, really hard to hear him take a guilty, 1172 01:10:00,946 --> 01:10:02,865 and hearing it in his own words. 1173 01:10:02,948 --> 01:10:04,783 If you read much about serial killers, 1174 01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,578 they go through what they call different phases. 1175 01:10:07,661 --> 01:10:10,789 That's one of the phases they go through as a trolling stage. 1176 01:10:10,873 --> 01:10:13,209 Basically, you're looking for a victim at that time. 1177 01:10:13,292 --> 01:10:16,587 But once you lock in on a certain person, then you become a stalking, 1178 01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:20,132 and that might be several of them, but you really home in on that person. 1179 01:10:20,716 --> 01:10:22,051 That's… That's the victim. 1180 01:10:22,968 --> 01:10:24,970 [judge] All right, is that correct? 1181 01:10:25,554 --> 01:10:28,432 All of these incidents, these ten counts, 1182 01:10:28,515 --> 01:10:32,811 occurred because you wanted to satisfy a sexual fantasy, is that correct? 1183 01:10:33,437 --> 01:10:34,855 Yes. Mm-hmm. 1184 01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,858 All right, you may be seated, Mr. Rader. 1185 01:10:40,361 --> 01:10:43,906 That's Dennis Rader describing ten brutal homicides 1186 01:10:43,989 --> 01:10:45,574 like it was a job. 1187 01:10:45,658 --> 01:10:48,327 You're right. It was like it was just a job for him, 1188 01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:51,330 and he was just going through the motions of his job. 1189 01:10:51,413 --> 01:10:54,083 My co-anchor and I were like, 1190 01:10:54,792 --> 01:10:56,502 "This is not happening." 1191 01:10:56,585 --> 01:11:00,172 Can you imagine being his daughter or son or wife that day? 1192 01:11:01,882 --> 01:11:05,511 [Rawson] A lot of the stuff that came out, I disassociated from it. 1193 01:11:06,595 --> 01:11:09,098 It was a disaster. It was… There was just… 1194 01:11:09,682 --> 01:11:13,060 I could not handle it. You know, I just could not handle it. 1195 01:11:14,103 --> 01:11:15,145 [bailiff] All rise. 1196 01:11:15,896 --> 01:11:19,692 [Peters] It promises to be an emotional few days in a Kansas courtroom. 1197 01:11:19,775 --> 01:11:22,027 Formal sentencing gets underway this morning 1198 01:11:22,111 --> 01:11:23,946 for serial killer Dennis Rader. 1199 01:11:24,029 --> 01:11:28,117 [reporter] The proceedings have blanketed Wichita, a town of 350,000, 1200 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,412 where many have never known life without BTK. 1201 01:11:31,996 --> 01:11:34,373 [Peters] The district attorney, Nola Foulston, 1202 01:11:34,456 --> 01:11:37,501 had every intention during that sentencing hearing 1203 01:11:37,584 --> 01:11:42,840 to humiliate Dennis Rader to the nth degree. 1204 01:11:42,923 --> 01:11:44,258 [Foulston] What is that, sir? 1205 01:11:44,341 --> 01:11:47,886 This is a plastic, uh, mask. 1206 01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:52,224 [Lundin] Several search warrants were executed around the city of Wichita. 1207 01:11:52,308 --> 01:11:55,686 Dennis Rader said, "You'll find the mother lode in my office, 1208 01:11:55,769 --> 01:11:57,187 in my file cabinet." 1209 01:11:57,771 --> 01:12:01,942 It was an unlocked file cabinet, so he felt obviously very secure 1210 01:12:02,026 --> 01:12:04,153 in maintaining these things here. 1211 01:12:04,236 --> 01:12:06,322 There was a lot of photography, 1212 01:12:06,405 --> 01:12:10,326 pictures that he had taken over a span of time, 1213 01:12:10,409 --> 01:12:11,952 and a lot of drawings. 1214 01:12:13,329 --> 01:12:17,666 He had everything identified, dates, alphabetized. 1215 01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:20,669 There was a cross-reference so he could find stuff easily. 1216 01:12:20,753 --> 01:12:24,923 He basically created kind of a worksheet 1217 01:12:25,007 --> 01:12:26,967 of his projects. 1218 01:12:27,051 --> 01:12:29,803 [man] These are devices that he took photos of. 1219 01:12:30,387 --> 01:12:34,058 [Rawson] When I was writing my dad, Dad told us worse stuff was coming, 1220 01:12:34,141 --> 01:12:36,518 and I was like, "What could be worse than murder?" 1221 01:12:36,602 --> 01:12:38,103 [Foulston] Oh, there are more of these? 1222 01:12:38,187 --> 01:12:40,189 He had hundreds, if not thousands of those. 1223 01:12:40,272 --> 01:12:43,609 [Peters] The district attorney showed pictures of Dennis Rader 1224 01:12:43,692 --> 01:12:46,612 with nylon stocking over his own head, 1225 01:12:46,695 --> 01:12:51,533 and she wanted to show the world what a sick human being this was. 1226 01:12:52,618 --> 01:12:55,954 All of a sudden, it's coming out about my dad in bondage 1227 01:12:56,038 --> 01:13:00,250 and naked in my grandparents' basement, dressed up in victim's clothing. 1228 01:13:00,751 --> 01:13:03,670 And it's just like a never-ending show of hell. 1229 01:13:12,388 --> 01:13:15,349 [Peters] The prosecutors are laying out the horrifying details. 1230 01:13:15,432 --> 01:13:18,685 Some of the victim's families are right there in court reliving the nightmare, 1231 01:13:18,769 --> 01:13:22,272 and today those families will get to confront Rader himself. 1232 01:13:26,985 --> 01:13:30,614 Despite Dennis Rader's efforts to destroy my family, we survived, 1233 01:13:30,697 --> 01:13:33,033 stronger and closer now more than ever. 1234 01:13:33,117 --> 01:13:35,953 Our love for each other was forged with pain and loss. 1235 01:13:36,036 --> 01:13:38,956 As far as I'm concerned, when it is all done, 1236 01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:42,126 Dennis Rader has failed in his effort to kill the Oteros. 1237 01:13:42,835 --> 01:13:46,547 Although we have never met, you have seen my face before. 1238 01:13:47,172 --> 01:13:50,134 It is the same face you murdered over 30 years ago, 1239 01:13:50,217 --> 01:13:52,803 the face of my mother, Julia Otero. 1240 01:13:53,762 --> 01:13:57,099 The pain and suffering that he has caused our family 1241 01:13:57,182 --> 01:14:00,602 and the loss of such a beautiful young lady at 21, 1242 01:14:01,311 --> 01:14:04,398 he's got to go on and live his life, 31 years now, 1243 01:14:04,481 --> 01:14:07,067 with raising a family and children. 1244 01:14:08,569 --> 01:14:11,238 I cannot begin to explain to you. 1245 01:14:11,321 --> 01:14:15,492 There are not words to make you understand what losing Nancy… 1246 01:14:15,576 --> 01:14:18,245 [sobbing] …has meant to me and my family. 1247 01:14:19,496 --> 01:14:22,875 I lost a friend, a confidant. 1248 01:14:23,500 --> 01:14:26,170 My children will never have an aunt, 1249 01:14:26,253 --> 01:14:28,255 and I'll never have another sister. 1250 01:14:28,338 --> 01:14:31,842 It's been almost 19 years now that my brother and I 1251 01:14:31,925 --> 01:14:34,761 had the most important woman in our lives taken from us. 1252 01:14:34,845 --> 01:14:36,680 [sniffles] 1253 01:14:36,763 --> 01:14:40,684 It's not fair that we had so little time with her. 1254 01:14:43,061 --> 01:14:47,733 [Rodney Hook] Uh… I would only ask that the court provide the maximum sentence 1255 01:14:48,233 --> 01:14:51,570 allowed by law to this monster. 1256 01:14:53,155 --> 01:14:55,407 I haven't… Um… 1257 01:14:58,619 --> 01:15:00,621 prepared for this statement, but… 1258 01:15:01,955 --> 01:15:03,290 you know, 1259 01:15:03,373 --> 01:15:07,503 I'd just like for him to suffer for the rest of his life. 1260 01:15:09,505 --> 01:15:10,589 And, 1261 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,050 you know, I don't… 1262 01:15:17,179 --> 01:15:18,805 Uh, that's all. 1263 01:15:18,889 --> 01:15:20,891 [emotional music playing] 1264 01:15:22,142 --> 01:15:25,437 Speaking for my mother with us in spirit, for my own family, 1265 01:15:25,521 --> 01:15:28,524 and I hope for the entire family of survivors here today, 1266 01:15:28,607 --> 01:15:32,277 we dedicate this day to the memories of those who cannot be with us. 1267 01:15:32,361 --> 01:15:35,697 Today we will each silently remember a father, 1268 01:15:35,781 --> 01:15:37,449 a brother, 1269 01:15:37,533 --> 01:15:38,617 a wife, 1270 01:15:39,368 --> 01:15:40,827 a mother, 1271 01:15:40,911 --> 01:15:42,037 a sister, 1272 01:15:43,121 --> 01:15:45,707 a daughter, a grandmother. 1273 01:15:47,125 --> 01:15:49,753 While you agonize over the reality 1274 01:15:49,836 --> 01:15:53,423 that your last victims were ironically your own family, 1275 01:15:54,049 --> 01:15:56,385 we will embrace the new family we now have, 1276 01:15:56,468 --> 01:15:59,054 with whom we will always share a common bond 1277 01:15:59,137 --> 01:16:01,640 forged from the pain of adversity and loss. 1278 01:16:04,434 --> 01:16:07,813 [Peters] The victims' families were incredible. 1279 01:16:07,896 --> 01:16:11,191 When the judge gave Dennis Rader a chance to talk, 1280 01:16:11,275 --> 01:16:16,321 they did not want to make Dennis Rader feel like he won. 1281 01:16:16,405 --> 01:16:19,992 Mr. Rader, do you desire to say anything on your own behalf, 1282 01:16:20,075 --> 01:16:22,369 in mitigation of punishment? 1283 01:16:22,452 --> 01:16:25,914 And so, the victims' families walked out of the courtroom. 1284 01:16:28,375 --> 01:16:31,670 [Rader] Your Honor, Sedgwick County, the victims. 1285 01:16:32,754 --> 01:16:35,299 I do realize that the crimes I've committed… 1286 01:16:38,885 --> 01:16:40,637 Should I continue, or… 1287 01:16:40,721 --> 01:16:41,597 Okay. 1288 01:16:42,889 --> 01:16:46,184 [Rawson] After the victims' statements, they let him talk. 1289 01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:48,437 He's now got a shot to apologize 1290 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,899 or say something meaningful or, you know, say that he regretted everything. 1291 01:16:52,983 --> 01:16:55,527 And instead he gets up, and he thanks everybody. 1292 01:16:55,611 --> 01:16:57,696 So he thanks the police, he thanks the DA, 1293 01:16:57,779 --> 01:17:00,866 he thanks the victims' families, he thanks the judge. 1294 01:17:00,949 --> 01:17:03,201 It's, like, the most bizarre thing. 1295 01:17:03,785 --> 01:17:05,954 [judge] Mr. Rader, would you please stand? 1296 01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:10,334 Sir, based upon your plea, 1297 01:17:10,417 --> 01:17:14,630 which occurred on the 27th day of June 2005 before this court, 1298 01:17:14,713 --> 01:17:17,215 I once again adjudge you guilty. 1299 01:17:18,091 --> 01:17:21,928 [Rawson] The judge sentenced him to 175 years in prison, 1300 01:17:22,012 --> 01:17:26,016 and that is the last time that man has been outside of walls. 1301 01:17:36,777 --> 01:17:39,029 [vehicle approaching] 1302 01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:46,995 [intriguing music playing] 1303 01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:50,791 After my dad was arrested, I hadn't talked about any of this stuff. 1304 01:17:50,874 --> 01:17:55,462 I hadn't… I hadn't addressed any of it for, like, ten years almost. 1305 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,966 When people were like, "Tell me about your life or your father," 1306 01:18:00,050 --> 01:18:02,427 or, you know, just in casual conversation, 1307 01:18:02,511 --> 01:18:06,390 I would say I'm estranged from my father, or at the most I'd say my dad is in jail. 1308 01:18:06,473 --> 01:18:09,935 I was following the Midwest code. Don't talk about the bad things. 1309 01:18:10,018 --> 01:18:12,979 And then that night I found out about Stephen King… 1310 01:18:13,647 --> 01:18:18,110 Like, when I… when that reporter called me from the Eagle, 1311 01:18:18,944 --> 01:18:21,279 it was like the first time somebody had given me permission 1312 01:18:21,363 --> 01:18:23,156 to just talk, to just let it out. 1313 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,660 And as soon as somebody said, "No, it's okay, you can talk about it," 1314 01:18:26,743 --> 01:18:30,247 it was like I let it… it got out of me, and then I started healing. 1315 01:18:31,748 --> 01:18:34,251 In 2015, I started learning how to write. 1316 01:18:34,751 --> 01:18:37,087 It took me four years to write my first book, 1317 01:18:37,170 --> 01:18:42,259 and then it became a national bestseller in, um, 2019. 1318 01:18:42,801 --> 01:18:46,471 You are an incredibly courageous person for writing this, for getting out there. 1319 01:18:46,555 --> 01:18:50,225 I've been through hell and I'm still here. So my message is hold on. 1320 01:18:50,308 --> 01:18:53,019 Hope's just around the corner. Don't ever give up. 1321 01:18:55,063 --> 01:18:57,899 When I'm sitting, like, here… 1322 01:18:58,817 --> 01:18:59,693 [exhales] 1323 01:19:00,694 --> 01:19:03,530 like, I'm surrounded by stuff like my dad, 1324 01:19:03,613 --> 01:19:07,033 like, photos of my dad, my book with my dad. 1325 01:19:07,826 --> 01:19:10,203 I mean, a lot of who I am now, 1326 01:19:10,287 --> 01:19:14,499 and my identity, is unfortunately wrapped into my father. 1327 01:19:15,834 --> 01:19:21,798 I've had some problems on Facebook, and I've had, like, people email me 1328 01:19:21,882 --> 01:19:25,010 and Instagram message me, text me, 1329 01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:27,888 stalk me, threaten to kill me, 1330 01:19:27,971 --> 01:19:32,267 say things like they wish my dad had left an 11th victim, which is me. 1331 01:19:33,894 --> 01:19:36,354 My trauma therapist said, recently, like, 1332 01:19:36,438 --> 01:19:39,816 "What would happen if you just walked away from all of this?" 1333 01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:42,736 And I said it would be peaceful. 1334 01:19:43,820 --> 01:19:48,158 But, like, my reality is my career is now tied into all of this. 1335 01:19:58,084 --> 01:19:59,961 [Reed] If you look at this and look at that, 1336 01:20:00,045 --> 01:20:02,798 that's, you know, this pertains to an unsolved homicide. 1337 01:20:02,881 --> 01:20:03,924 Um… 1338 01:20:05,467 --> 01:20:07,677 That's why I wanted to visit with him about that. 1339 01:20:08,178 --> 01:20:10,555 [Rawson] "26-year-old mother who disappeared Saturday 1340 01:20:10,639 --> 01:20:13,600 while out to dry her laundry may have fallen victim to foul play." 1341 01:20:14,392 --> 01:20:16,436 Uh, "Denise Rathburn, 25, 1342 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:20,023 left her home between 3 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. Saturday, 1343 01:20:20,106 --> 01:20:22,484 pushing a baby carriage full of wet laundry." 1344 01:20:22,567 --> 01:20:23,819 "She did not return." 1345 01:20:26,029 --> 01:20:28,073 How are you feeling about this area? 1346 01:20:28,156 --> 01:20:30,200 We used to drive bikes over there. 1347 01:20:30,283 --> 01:20:31,701 We would ride bikes over there. 1348 01:20:31,785 --> 01:20:34,120 -So we can go look and all of that. -Mm-hmm. 1349 01:20:34,871 --> 01:20:37,666 We had a sit-down. I got in my dad's records. 1350 01:20:37,749 --> 01:20:40,710 He had these little spiral notebooks, and he would recreate notes, 1351 01:20:40,794 --> 01:20:44,756 and his projects, which were, like, stalkings and sometimes murders 1352 01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:48,134 and breakings and enterings. He's got, like, at least 70 or 80 of them. 1353 01:20:48,218 --> 01:20:51,346 And they're just… they just let me go. 1354 01:20:51,429 --> 01:20:55,225 Like, that stuff had been in existence in evidence since '05, 1355 01:20:55,308 --> 01:20:57,644 but nobody had ever let me in, right? 1356 01:20:57,727 --> 01:21:02,357 Specific location things where we can actually drive and physically look. 1357 01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:05,861 [Rawson] I'm reading through my dad's notes, and he has a notation, 1358 01:21:05,944 --> 01:21:07,863 '81 for the year 1981. 1359 01:21:07,946 --> 01:21:10,866 I would have been… two, three. 1360 01:21:10,949 --> 01:21:17,038 In all caps, he has "Kerri/B and D," which is bondage/game. 1361 01:21:18,081 --> 01:21:21,293 And I see that, and I'm like, "What the holy crap?" 1362 01:21:22,419 --> 01:21:26,423 And then there's another one… right after that 1363 01:21:26,506 --> 01:21:29,843 that says, "Kids/bath/S," 1364 01:21:29,926 --> 01:21:31,761 and that's for sex for my dad. 1365 01:21:32,596 --> 01:21:37,309 So I'm like, "Did dad molest me in the bath when I was, like, three?" 1366 01:21:38,268 --> 01:21:41,688 And what is… why… Why is my name on a bondage game? 1367 01:21:42,856 --> 01:21:48,194 And so I am, like, just full spinning at this point. Really, really confused. 1368 01:21:50,113 --> 01:21:52,657 Maybe dad had been practicing in my room. 1369 01:21:52,741 --> 01:21:54,409 Was he practicing on me? 1370 01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,415 I had night terrors and issues in my bedroom growing up. 1371 01:22:05,795 --> 01:22:08,465 Part of that night terror stuff, 1372 01:22:09,132 --> 01:22:13,845 wetting the bed, scared of the dark, terrified in my bed, 1373 01:22:13,929 --> 01:22:17,015 had to do with something with, like, a bad man in the house. 1374 01:22:17,933 --> 01:22:20,060 But it was like a home invasion thing. 1375 01:22:21,519 --> 01:22:23,313 That's what he did to victims. 1376 01:22:23,980 --> 01:22:26,316 I never knew where that came from. 1377 01:22:28,944 --> 01:22:30,737 I think my subconscious was trying 1378 01:22:30,820 --> 01:22:33,281 to get it out of me since I was a little girl. 1379 01:22:35,825 --> 01:22:38,453 Saying, "Hey, there's a bad man in my house." 1380 01:22:42,624 --> 01:22:47,754 Seeing my name in his own handwriting, in his project notes, it's just a lot. 1381 01:22:47,837 --> 01:22:50,048 The only person talking to me, really… 1382 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,218 or the only people talking to me is Osage County. 1383 01:22:53,927 --> 01:22:57,055 So of course I'm going to get pulled into their narratives, right? 1384 01:22:57,931 --> 01:23:00,058 We're trying to figure out, "Did he do any more?" 1385 01:23:00,141 --> 01:23:02,268 I… I don't know if he did any more. 1386 01:23:06,606 --> 01:23:09,401 Everybody and their dog wants a piece of me. 1387 01:23:09,484 --> 01:23:13,863 "Can we write your dad? Can you get us in to your dad?" 1388 01:23:14,406 --> 01:23:18,910 There's very few people I can trust at this point that want to get to know me 1389 01:23:19,661 --> 01:23:23,039 because it's all… It's all around my dad. 1390 01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:25,208 Then I get trolled on Twitter, 1391 01:23:25,291 --> 01:23:27,794 and people are like, "You're nothing without your dad." 1392 01:23:27,877 --> 01:23:30,088 "You have no life and no career." 1393 01:23:30,672 --> 01:23:32,465 So I'm upset today. 1394 01:23:33,425 --> 01:23:36,720 Like, frustrated and angry and sad, 1395 01:23:36,803 --> 01:23:38,596 and wanting to give up, 1396 01:23:39,264 --> 01:23:42,058 and just… run away. 1397 01:23:44,519 --> 01:23:47,647 I was feeling really bad about all of this, and my therapist said, 1398 01:23:47,731 --> 01:23:50,191 "You know what, law enforcement's just looking into things, 1399 01:23:50,275 --> 01:23:52,402 and they're asking questions, and that's okay." 1400 01:23:52,485 --> 01:23:54,612 Like, "That's their job. It's okay." 1401 01:23:54,696 --> 01:23:57,282 It really helps me when somebody says it's okay. 1402 01:24:02,203 --> 01:24:06,416 They asked for me to go in and see my dad in prison to find out, 1403 01:24:07,292 --> 01:24:10,128 did he commit any more crimes? Are there any more murders? 1404 01:24:11,129 --> 01:24:13,173 If my father has committed more murders, 1405 01:24:13,256 --> 01:24:15,467 then we really do need to get to the bottom of the truth, 1406 01:24:15,550 --> 01:24:18,303 and we need to get to it before my father passes away. 1407 01:24:19,763 --> 01:24:21,431 They could tell I was anxious. 1408 01:24:21,514 --> 01:24:23,975 I mean, I hadn't seen him for 18 and a half years, 1409 01:24:24,059 --> 01:24:26,853 but they're not getting in to see my father without me. 1410 01:24:27,645 --> 01:24:30,565 So… no, I was not done with Dad. 1411 01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:39,908 I had worked for days for things to talk to my dad about. 1412 01:24:39,991 --> 01:24:41,326 Law enforcement was with me. 1413 01:24:41,409 --> 01:24:43,620 They said, "You can't bring the sexual abuse up." 1414 01:24:44,579 --> 01:24:46,623 "It's gonna cause him to shut down." 1415 01:24:49,292 --> 01:24:51,211 When we got to the prison, 1416 01:24:51,294 --> 01:24:53,963 you have to go by, like, this inner watchtower, 1417 01:24:54,047 --> 01:24:58,468 and you go through a series of, like, locked doors. 1418 01:24:59,010 --> 01:25:02,430 And I go in with two investigators, a male and a female. 1419 01:25:05,016 --> 01:25:06,810 You know, he's frail. 1420 01:25:06,893 --> 01:25:08,603 He's in a wheelchair. 1421 01:25:08,686 --> 01:25:12,232 And he was literally, like, crying, so happy to see me. 1422 01:25:12,774 --> 01:25:15,652 Like, just over the moon to get to see his kid. 1423 01:25:16,486 --> 01:25:20,115 He's only, like, three or four feet across from me at a table. 1424 01:25:20,824 --> 01:25:24,119 And then I'm in there for a couple… two, three hours, 1425 01:25:24,202 --> 01:25:28,289 asking him questions about everything that's going on. 1426 01:25:30,583 --> 01:25:32,585 I said, "There's a series of missing women." 1427 01:25:32,669 --> 01:25:35,296 "There's these cases that look like they could be you." 1428 01:25:35,380 --> 01:25:39,134 "They match your MO, or they're close enough to it, or timeframes." 1429 01:25:39,217 --> 01:25:41,261 And he goes, "What are you talking about?" 1430 01:25:41,845 --> 01:25:43,638 And he said, "Can't we just reminisce?" 1431 01:25:43,721 --> 01:25:47,183 "Can't we just have a father-daughter? Can't we just have memories?" 1432 01:25:47,267 --> 01:25:49,352 And I was like, "Dad, that's not why I'm here." 1433 01:25:51,312 --> 01:25:53,565 He's dodging things, saying he's forgetting things, 1434 01:25:53,648 --> 01:25:55,233 but then he has this really sharp memory. 1435 01:25:55,316 --> 01:25:56,901 Deny, deny, deny. 1436 01:25:56,985 --> 01:25:58,486 He's completely innocent, 1437 01:25:58,570 --> 01:26:01,239 that he's a saint, other than for all the other things he did. 1438 01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:05,827 He said, "Oh, you know, I just… It was just the ten." 1439 01:26:06,703 --> 01:26:08,872 And he turned on a dime. 1440 01:26:09,581 --> 01:26:11,875 He was angry about the investigation. 1441 01:26:11,958 --> 01:26:15,128 He was angry about the media. He thought things were wrapping up. 1442 01:26:15,211 --> 01:26:16,671 You know, he was just angry. 1443 01:26:18,298 --> 01:26:22,093 So I shouldn't have done this. I ended up asking my dad 1444 01:26:22,177 --> 01:26:24,262 about the notation in his journal. 1445 01:26:24,345 --> 01:26:27,640 I said, "Dad, what does 'Kerri Bondage game' mean?" 1446 01:26:27,724 --> 01:26:31,227 And my dad goes, "That was just a fantasy. I never touched the family." 1447 01:26:32,312 --> 01:26:36,691 He goes, "You're just making stuff up about me now to be, like, famous." 1448 01:26:36,774 --> 01:26:38,318 My PTSD just went… 1449 01:26:38,401 --> 01:26:39,444 [imitates explosion] 1450 01:26:42,197 --> 01:26:43,573 -[dog barks] -Everything closed in. 1451 01:26:43,656 --> 01:26:45,366 I couldn't see. I couldn't think. 1452 01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:47,577 I was like, "That's it. I'm done. I don't care." 1453 01:26:47,660 --> 01:26:51,206 And it was just, like, a blast of, like, 45 years of anger 1454 01:26:51,289 --> 01:26:52,999 and everything at my dad. 1455 01:26:55,001 --> 01:26:57,503 I'm just, like, completely off script. 1456 01:26:57,587 --> 01:27:00,590 And I just nail him about everything, about Mrs. Hedge, 1457 01:27:00,673 --> 01:27:03,009 the pine needles, about being six 1458 01:27:03,092 --> 01:27:05,553 and putting me in the back of that Oldsmobile 1459 01:27:05,637 --> 01:27:07,639 that later he put Mrs. Davis's body in. 1460 01:27:08,389 --> 01:27:11,309 I'm just nailing him with all this stuff that had been inside me. 1461 01:27:12,477 --> 01:27:16,356 It's just a big, huge ball of trauma, and I'm just ramming him with it. 1462 01:27:17,732 --> 01:27:20,860 It was like I was back in my house with that man coming home, 1463 01:27:20,944 --> 01:27:23,738 walking in that door, and you didn't know who was coming home. 1464 01:27:23,821 --> 01:27:26,908 Is Dad coming home? Is angry man coming home? 1465 01:27:26,991 --> 01:27:29,202 [unsettling music playing] 1466 01:27:31,829 --> 01:27:35,166 I was upset, and he's like, "Kerri, Kerri, you brought this on yourself." 1467 01:27:35,250 --> 01:27:37,669 [thunder crashing] 1468 01:27:40,088 --> 01:27:44,550 And he was literally, like, gaslighting me, manipulating me, 1469 01:27:44,634 --> 01:27:47,762 lying to me, five feet from me. 1470 01:27:50,348 --> 01:27:52,141 It was like I wasn't talking to my dad. 1471 01:27:52,225 --> 01:27:54,811 It was like I was talking to, like, a subhuman. 1472 01:27:55,979 --> 01:27:58,731 And so when everybody talks about him being a psychopath 1473 01:27:58,815 --> 01:28:01,734 and a narcissist and not wanting to be around him, 1474 01:28:02,735 --> 01:28:06,948 I had still been able to find humanity in him, and then I wasn't able to. 1475 01:28:10,201 --> 01:28:13,830 I don't ever want to go anywhere near that person again. 1476 01:28:13,913 --> 01:28:16,332 That's not my dad. I don't know who that is. 1477 01:28:22,130 --> 01:28:25,258 [somber music playing] 1478 01:28:38,187 --> 01:28:41,691 I'll grieve those memories and that girl and that family. 1479 01:28:42,442 --> 01:28:43,901 I lost all of it. 1480 01:28:44,902 --> 01:28:48,906 But I just didn't really want to give him any of me anymore, 1481 01:28:48,990 --> 01:28:52,076 and I really didn't want any of it in my life. 1482 01:28:55,788 --> 01:28:59,500 I started building space between me and this really… 1483 01:28:59,584 --> 01:29:02,920 nastiness right over here in my father. 1484 01:29:03,421 --> 01:29:08,676 It was a decision to separate myself from, you know, vileness. 1485 01:29:10,053 --> 01:29:11,804 How many years has it been since? 1486 01:29:11,888 --> 01:29:14,223 -What is that? Since high school. -Twent… twen… 1487 01:29:14,307 --> 01:29:15,767 -[Rawson] Ninety-six? -I can't math. 1488 01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:16,809 I can't either. 1489 01:29:16,893 --> 01:29:19,228 [Sheffield] I know. I remember it's been, like, 25… 1490 01:29:19,312 --> 01:29:20,521 [Rawson] Twenty-seven. 1491 01:29:20,605 --> 01:29:21,689 [Rogers] No! 1492 01:29:21,773 --> 01:29:25,485 Twenty-seven since high school, and 26 since our freshman year. 1493 01:29:25,568 --> 01:29:26,402 [laughs] 1494 01:29:26,486 --> 01:29:28,321 Yeah, it's bad. It's really bad. 1495 01:29:28,404 --> 01:29:31,908 Because then you add that to how old you were, and you're like, "No." 1496 01:29:31,991 --> 01:29:33,910 [Rogers] You didn't make it to the reunion. 1497 01:29:33,993 --> 01:29:37,121 Oh God, I'm not going to no reunion. Are you kidding me? 1498 01:29:37,205 --> 01:29:40,208 They'd be, "What was it like growing up with him? You look like him." 1499 01:29:40,291 --> 01:29:43,961 -You guys know my mom. I look like my mom. -[Sheffield] That's what I would've said. 1500 01:29:44,045 --> 01:29:47,799 And nobody knows what my mom looks like, so I'm like, "I look like my mom. Stop." 1501 01:29:47,882 --> 01:29:49,926 Anybody that knows me 1502 01:29:50,009 --> 01:29:53,888 before Dad's arrest know me as Kerri and my family that way. 1503 01:29:53,971 --> 01:29:55,390 Right? And they respect that. 1504 01:29:56,891 --> 01:30:01,229 Andrea, I've known her since kindergarten. 1505 01:30:01,938 --> 01:30:04,899 Rita I've known since middle school. 1506 01:30:06,109 --> 01:30:08,903 And they still just see me as who I am. 1507 01:30:09,529 --> 01:30:12,949 [Rogers] I was talking to my husband the other day, and I said, 1508 01:30:13,032 --> 01:30:15,701 "At the end of the day, what I wish for Kerri 1509 01:30:15,785 --> 01:30:18,579 is that you find peace, 1510 01:30:18,663 --> 01:30:21,624 but able to live your life without this black cloud." 1511 01:30:21,707 --> 01:30:23,501 -[Sheffield] You deserve it. -Yeah, you do. 1512 01:30:23,584 --> 01:30:24,752 You absolutely do. 1513 01:30:24,836 --> 01:30:25,753 I know. 1514 01:30:27,004 --> 01:30:30,258 I've learned to build boundaries. I've learned to speak up. 1515 01:30:30,341 --> 01:30:34,303 I've become a public figure, you know, to advocate for crime victims 1516 01:30:34,387 --> 01:30:37,306 and trauma victims and survivors, 1517 01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:42,311 and lend my voice, you know, not just for people that have been through what I have, 1518 01:30:42,395 --> 01:30:44,397 but families like mine and… 1519 01:30:45,231 --> 01:30:46,816 you know, other victims. 1520 01:30:47,650 --> 01:30:50,987 I'm just going to keep trying to use my voice and speak up, 1521 01:30:51,070 --> 01:30:54,157 advocate for other families when needed. 1522 01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,868 [indistinct affectionate muttering] 1523 01:30:57,577 --> 01:31:01,038 Every freaking headline for the last ten years has said, 1524 01:31:01,122 --> 01:31:03,082 "BTK's daughter, BTK's daughter." 1525 01:31:03,166 --> 01:31:08,796 One got it right and said, "Kerri Rawson, daughter of Dennis Rader, the BTK killer." 1526 01:31:10,173 --> 01:31:14,552 I want to be identified like… Kerri Rawson. 1527 01:31:17,346 --> 01:31:20,850 On a bigger level, I guess that that's how I'm identified, 1528 01:31:20,933 --> 01:31:22,768 but I'm so much more than that. 1529 01:31:22,852 --> 01:31:24,854 Good girl. That's a good girl. 1530 01:31:24,937 --> 01:31:28,900 I'm a mom, so I spend time with my kids and we go to the beach. 1531 01:31:28,983 --> 01:31:32,236 I like to read and watch TV and… like anybody, 1532 01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,448 and just chill out, so I'm just a normal person. 1533 01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:41,078 And most days, I don't even really think about who my dad is. 1534 01:31:41,162 --> 01:31:42,580 I don't think about him. 1535 01:31:43,164 --> 01:31:46,000 Come on, let's go get a drink. Good girl. 1536 01:31:48,169 --> 01:31:49,212 I'm just me. 1537 01:31:50,922 --> 01:31:52,924 [quiet, bittersweet music playing] 1538 01:33:10,668 --> 01:33:12,670 [music ends] 125108

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