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[ominous music]
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Stephen King is just quite hard
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to adapt, right,
because 90% of his books
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take place in someone's head.
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And it's not just
someone's head,
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but it's like their backstory.
It's their mother.
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It's how they grew up.
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It's this like interesting
story about these pair of pants
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they're wearing and
why they're important.
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And that's why we love
to read Stephen King.
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But you can't do that
in a 90-minute movie.
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It doesn't translate.
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It doesn't work.
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And so all of these
people, God bless them,
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who chose to adapt Stephen
King, that's a tough job, right?
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And there's some that I think
really work and some that don't.
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You could do a whole season of
just the King and all the work
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in film that his writing
has inspired from the stuff
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at the very bottom that is
still kind of wonderful...
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and I'd love to watch the
Graveyard Shifts of the world...
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all the way up to
cinema classics.
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What are the must see
Stephen King adaptations?
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[classical music]
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JOE HILL: The very best
Stephen King adaptations
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are not horror films.
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The very best of them would
be Shawshank Redemption
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and Stand By Me...
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You guys want to
go see a dead body?
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...which aren't scary pictures.
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They have scares in
them, but they're
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clearly not horror films.
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Why did he have to die, Chris?
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Why did Danny have to die?
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One of the reasons that
Shawshank and Stand By Me were
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so effective is
because the filmmakers
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were free to focus on the rich
inner lives of those characters.
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Hope is a dangerous thing.
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Hope can drive a man insane.
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JOE HILL:... whereas
with the horror films,
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they always find
themselves in competition
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with the scares on the page.
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I'm coming for you, Rachel.
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And that is a competition
they are almost always destined
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to lose that it's
always going to be more
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frightening on the page
and in the reader's
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imagination than anything they
can possibly get on the screen.
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BOY 1: Georgie.
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BOY 2: Bill.
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[ominous music]
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[muffled speech]
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Of the horror films there's
no doubt that the best of them
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is Andy and Barbara Muschietti's
take on It chapter 1.
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I think It chapter 1 is and
what the Muschietti has put
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on the screen was
better than anything
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De Palma managed, anything
that Kubrick managed.
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[ominous music]
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Part one is a masterpiece.
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I think everything works
so well in that movie.
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And it's also so much love
for Stephen King that...
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[ominous music]
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...that's a book that
changed my life.
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And when I watched the movie,
I was like so relieved.
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It's like, oh, he nailed it.
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Stan, we all have to go.
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That's a fantastic
adaptation because it stayed so
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close to the source material.
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No.
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No.
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It felt like the book.
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You know, I got that feeling
of the struggles of being a kid
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and how you're going
to figure that out...
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Boop, boop, boop, boop.
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[laughs]
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...the monster kind of being
representative of all of that.
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[laughter]
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One of the reasons the film
is so effective and so powerful
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is that we sense
that the Muschietti's
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care about those kids.
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Stay cool, Ben
from social class.
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Yeah.
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You too, Beverly.
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Think tough new
kid on the block.
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JOE HILL: They respect
and love those kids.
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And that compassion for Bev and
Bill and Ben and Stan and Eddie
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run so deep that we can't
help but be swept up by it
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and care for them as well.
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And so when they're
put in mortal danger,
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we feel it very deeply.
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That seems like one of
the main elements you need
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for a successful adaptation
is taking a little bit of time
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to build that world and to
put those characters forward.
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I'm not afraid of you.
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You can't just
lead with the action.
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You can't lead with the horror.
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You have to lead with the
protagonist and the world
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around them.
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Oh, The Mist, oh, the movie that
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will never leave your brain.
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Oh, the way you feel
the cold wetness
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of what that mist must have
felt like and that almost like
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got in my mouth.
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It tasted sort of moldy.
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What's it, daddy?
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Mist.
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Yeah, it's the darkest
of all adaptations,
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[laughs] the one
in which humanity
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gets to really show its colors.
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The Mist mostly takes
place in a supermarket.
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There is a big storm, all these
people go to the supermarket
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to get supplies.
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And during that time,
a mist rolls in.
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Something in the mist.
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Something in the
mist to John Lee.
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And monsters come
out of the mist.
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[screaming]
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But the thing that's scary about
the movie is not the monsters,
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it's the people.
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Well, it is this kind of
hubris that brought the wrath
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of God in the first place.
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This kind of pride
and defiance of...
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[bangs]
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You know so much
about this community
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so quickly because they
are both specific point
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of view characters and
universal stereotypes.
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So you can immediately
click in, but then
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King has created
such specific voices
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for every single character.
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And the adaptation honors
that in a beautiful way.
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Well, if you need a friend.
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I have a friend, God up above.
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I talk to him every day.
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The story is about human
dynamics, what happens to people
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when they're under pressure.
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Shut up you miserable buzzard.
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You old bitch!
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No, no, no, no, no.
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But who are you?
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Are you the crazy lady
in the supermarket?
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Or are you the hero who's going
to try to actually help people?
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Douse the lights.
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[screaming]
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Look out!
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Look out!
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Frank had always been very
much a formalist as a filmmaker.
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His movies were
very studio style.
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They were very elegant and
precise and well thought out.
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After he had done a
pilot for a TV show,
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he completely changed his
philosophy about filmmaking.
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Glass is going to give.
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[glass shattering]
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And The Mist is very by
the pants, a lot of handheld
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and a lot of CG
that's very realistic
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looking, especially considering
the year that it came out.
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At the very
beginning of the movie,
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there is a woman who is like,
I have to go find my family.
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I can't...
I can't stay here.
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I got to get home to my kids.
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[ominous music]
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And she leaves.
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And you just assume that these
monsters just ate her right up.
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But instead they're
in the car at the end,
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and they realize these
monsters are everywhere.
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There's nothing they're
going to be able to do.
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So he takes the gun.
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He kills everyone in the car.
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[gunshots]
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And then he realizes
there's no bullets
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left for him to kill himself.
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[screaming]
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[bangs]
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So he gets out of the
car ready to sacrifice
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himself to the monsters...
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[ominous music]
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...only to have the military
pull up at that exact moment
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with the woman who
left in the opening.
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She made it.
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She made it through the end.
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She had the best
idea the whole time.
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And it is so dark.
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The ending of The Mist is
such a powerful and ballsy
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change to do because
the novella has
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a completely different ending.
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They just keep going.
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And there's some
sort of hope, and
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Darabont was like, fuck hope.
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[chuckles]
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[screaming]
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To put your protagonist
in that state in the end
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the movie there was
probably the cruelest thing
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in the history of horror films.
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But it was honest.
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You don't have much
faith in humanity, do you?
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None whatsoever.
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Gerald's Game was something
I wanted to make for years.
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As soon as I read it,
I thought this is going
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to be a hard movie to make.
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Nobody's going to want
to make this movie
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because it's basically 90
minutes of a naked woman chained
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to a bed.
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And how do you make that happen?
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And if I couldn't do it, I'm
glad that Mike Flanagan could
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because I just think he's one
of the best guys out there.
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Gerald's Game was
a feat of filmmaking.
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Jessie and Gerald go to
this house to try to like
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spice up their marriage.
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And in doing so, Gerald
handcuffs her to the bed.
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This is good.
You'll like this.
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It's not working for her.
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Daddy's going to
get what Daddy wants.
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Fucking stop it!
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Uncuff me now.
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And he gets angry
about this and starts
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talking about how badly
their marriage is going
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and during that
has a heart attack
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and falls on top of her dead.
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So now she's alone
in this House...
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Gerald
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BREA GRANT:... with her
dead husband on top of her.
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Gerald.
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And the entire movie takes
place with her handcuffed
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and trying to get out
of these handcuffs...
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No!
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Somebody help!
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BREA GRANT:... while
her husband is taunting
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her from beyond the grave.
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You can pull to
your wrists break,
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you're not getting
out of those cuffs.
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He is dead, but
yet sticks around
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because he is a shitty husband.
[laughs]
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[classical music]
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Gerald's Game is
probably one of the best
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adaptations of taking
an unfilmable story
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and bringing it to screen.
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Mike Flanagan did an incredible
job because in the book,
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the voices in her head
are multiple characters.
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And narrowing that down to
just one version of her talking
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to herself...
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He put you in those handcuffs
way before Gerald did.
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...is a brilliant solution
because otherwise you kind
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of get lost in the character
drama, and that's not
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what it's about, right?
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Jesus.
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It's about the need to
survive and distilling it down
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to that moment of survival...
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The last thing I want is to have
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to take you to
the emergency room
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and have your finger sewn back,
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...which then blows everything
up like a nuclear bomb
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as we're all sitting
there with our hands
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over our eyes just not wanting
to watch that degloving...
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[moaning]
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Gerald's Game is some of the
only horror movie gore that has
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ever made me feel lightheaded.
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[ripping]
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[crying]
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The scene where she
degloves herself
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to get out of the
handcuffs, I genuinely
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felt nauseous and dizzy.
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And that just not
happened to me.
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I watch horror
movies for a living.
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But for some reason, that
scene really got to me.
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It's disgusting.
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[crying]
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And Carla Gugino, chef's kiss.
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Carla Gugino is one of
the most underappreciated
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actresses of our generation.
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She approached that part with
such a relentless bravery.
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At every turn, there was a lack
of vanity or a lack of fear.
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She just dove in and
ripped herself apart.
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I mean, just to be handcuffed to
a bed not even for three days,
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but for shooting days.
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I think it was 16
days in that position.
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So the physical demands
of the role aside,
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the emotional demands of
that role playing both sides
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of the character and
dealing with the trauma
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she was dealing with as
the character, flawless.
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[suspenseful music]
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[rumbling]
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Girl, I don't have the balls
to wear anything like that.
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Don't I wish.
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Just give me a beer.
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[suspenseful music]
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Holy old Jesus!
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And now, may the Lord
bless you and keep you.
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May the Lord make his
face to shine upon you.
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So give us your report, Craig.
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Tell us how much
money you made for us.
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I ain't taking the rap on this.
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I locked this place
up every night.
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It's not my fault if
every pervert, weirdo...
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Don't talk to me.
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Go talk to someone in charge.
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[rumbling]
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On the day of my judgment
when I stand before God
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and he asks me why did I kill
one of his true miracles,
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what am I going to say?
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MICK GARRIS: When you're
adapting Stephen King,
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you got to realize
that the story is
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the most important
thing and the people
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are the most important things.
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So many people just use
it as a jumping off point.
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I ain't never seen
me flick a show.
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But King's books and
stories are very cinematic.
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Paul Sheldon: I guess it was
kind of a miracle you finding me.
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No, it wasn't a miracle at all.
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In a way, I was following you.
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You were following me?
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Well, it wasn't
any secret to me.
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You were staying at the
Silver Creek seeing as how I'm
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your number one fan and all.
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Don't move now.
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I wouldn't want
to hurt this neck.
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Misery feels like a
really strong adaptation.
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It actually felt a
lot like the book
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and like a lot of the
best King adaptations.
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It also has the directors
eye on it, stank on it.
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James Caan is driving along
one day in this blizzard,
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and he gets in a wreck.
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[bangs]
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And thank God, Kathy Bates,
Annie, she finds him.
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And she takes him
back to her house.
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And she's going to nurse
him back to health,
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but it turns out that
she's also a big fan.
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How weird?
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Oh, Paul, I've read
everything of yours.
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The misery novels, I know them
all by heart, all eight of them.
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I don't think there's
ever been a movie that
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sort of centered on a
frumpy sort of character
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like that becoming
the main character
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and the killer and the film.
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It was really scary at the time.
335
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A character like Kathy Bates
was always sort of like the MPC.
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They were just someone
in the background.
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Right.
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Misery really put that type
of character in the foreground.
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Kathy Bates was
terrifying in that movie.
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They just cheated us.
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This isn't fair.
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He didn't get out of
the Cockadoodie car.
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The performance that
Kathy Bates gives,
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there's nothing like it.
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There's never been
anything like it.
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There will never be
anything like that
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in the pantheon of horror.
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She's so exquisite.
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When you first came here, I only
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loved the writer
part of Paul Sheldon,
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but now I know I love
the rest of him, too.
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I have this gun.
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[clicking]
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Sometimes I think
about using it.
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As a writer myself,
the idea of being
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held hostage by a superfan
is already so terrifying.
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But wow, she is basically
the portrait of the superfan
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you never want to meet.
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You did it.
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You did it.
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You murdered my misery.
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Hey.
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[clattering]
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She ends up having a
say in his new manuscript.
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And her say is that
she does not like it,
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and he needs to rewrite it.
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And it becomes this horrible
fan versus creator movie.
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You're going to write a new
novel, your greatest achievement
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ever Misery's Return.
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Misery's return?
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I know you didn't mean
it when you killed her,
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and now you'll make it right.
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KATE SIEGEL: There's
something about the marriage
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of the filmmaker and the
source material in Misery
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that just radiates
through your body.
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The slow burn of the obsession
and the realization of what
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the author is going through, I
mean, when she brings the sledge
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hammer out to smash his
ankles, I don't think there's
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a person in the world
who doesn't tense up.
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Kathy, please.
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[screaming]
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It's just a
perfectly paced film.
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Almost done, just one more.
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In the novel, she
chops his foot off.
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[screaming]
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00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:30,840
And I think this was so
much harder to watch.
387
00:18:30,930 --> 00:18:32,760
God, I love you.
388
00:18:37,890 --> 00:18:40,940
And Cujo, my God, I read
the book in like one day.
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[suspenseful music]
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And I think he wrote
it in two or three.
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What are you growling at?
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Such an intense movie,
it's so brilliant because it
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doesn't need to go big.
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It's just the simplest thing.
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[growling]
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I talk to writing students all
the time about the brilliance
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of a story like Cujo, which
you could just characterize
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as a mother and son
trapped in a car
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while a dog is barking
outside, right?
400
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,020
[growling]
401
00:19:16,110 --> 00:19:18,980
[screaming]
402
00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:22,160
In the novel, Stephen King is
a master of characterization.
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So you're in the car.
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You have no choice but to care.
405
00:19:25,460 --> 00:19:29,030
The film, you don't have that
interiority, but what you do
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have is some
really, really great
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performances,
including a child actor
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I used to watch on soap operas.
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[mumbling]
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00:19:37,170 --> 00:19:39,430
Oh, there's no monsters.
411
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,870
I knew that kid from one
of my favorite soap operas.
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00:19:41,910 --> 00:19:45,050
So I knew he was a great
actor, but not that great.
413
00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:47,220
So he really is
kind of the heart
414
00:19:47,310 --> 00:19:50,400
and soul of this horrible
situation that is so mundane.
415
00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:52,800
[crying]
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00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,060
[bangs]
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00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:57,410
The car won't start.
418
00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:59,370
We've all been in
that situation,
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00:19:59,450 --> 00:20:00,980
but we haven't
been in a situation
420
00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:03,110
where there's a rabid,
really monstrous
421
00:20:03,150 --> 00:20:08,330
dog trying to get inside
and trying to savage you.
422
00:20:08,420 --> 00:20:10,070
[screaming]
423
00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:13,030
[growling]
424
00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:18,950
That ending in the novel
spoiler, if you haven't read it,
425
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,080
the little boy dies.
426
00:20:20,170 --> 00:20:22,350
He's the cost of
the mother's secrets
427
00:20:22,430 --> 00:20:24,570
and the mother's
mistakes in some ways.
428
00:20:24,650 --> 00:20:28,740
And I wondered, are they going
to do that in the movie version?
429
00:20:28,830 --> 00:20:33,050
Could we sit through a two-hour
movie where the little boy dies?
430
00:20:33,140 --> 00:20:34,320
Well, absolutely not.
431
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,230
[crying]
432
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:39,710
Baby.
433
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,670
So I'm not surprised they
changed that ending one bit.
434
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,060
[glass shattering]
435
00:20:49,550 --> 00:20:50,590
I hate to be that guy.
436
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:51,850
There is this... I
do have this one
437
00:20:51,940 --> 00:20:55,810
tiny pet peeve about
the fact that, you know,
438
00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:57,080
people say that dog was scary.
439
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,560
It's just like Cujo.
440
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,120
And the film is called Cujo,
and everyone in the film
441
00:21:01,210 --> 00:21:02,390
calls the dog Cujo.
442
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:04,870
[growling]
443
00:21:09,570 --> 00:21:13,220
In the book, it's made
clear that the dog's name
444
00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:16,710
is actually pronounced
Cujo, that it's
445
00:21:16,790 --> 00:21:18,880
a Spanish pronunciation.
446
00:21:18,970 --> 00:21:20,620
But I guess it's too
late to fix that one.
447
00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:21,520
[growling]
448
00:21:21,540 --> 00:21:22,970
[gunshots]
449
00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:25,100
It's the tiniest
little thing, but even
450
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:26,580
my dad calls the dog Cujo.
451
00:21:26,670 --> 00:21:28,670
[ominous music]
452
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,060
Cujo.
453
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,590
Christine was one of
the first ones I read.
454
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,510
And I remember it as a ghost
story, as a possession story.
455
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,600
That's an aspect that Carpenter
completely dropped in the movie.
456
00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:49,870
He kind of changed the nature
of the menace, and it works.
457
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,780
And it works partly
because he builds Christine
458
00:21:52,830 --> 00:21:54,790
like she is a proper character.
459
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:56,920
The very fact that I would
say she instead of it
460
00:21:57,010 --> 00:22:00,620
instinctively makes you
see that this is a person.
461
00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:03,100
And he films her like a person.
462
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:05,410
[screaming]
463
00:22:07,540 --> 00:22:12,890
It's a John Carpenter
film, and it looks it.
464
00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:16,850
It is the most beautifully
shot atmospheric
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of the Stephen King films.
- Come on.
466
00:22:18,290 --> 00:22:19,280
Get it, man.
467
00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:25,380
Christine follows
this nerdy student
468
00:22:25,470 --> 00:22:27,820
at this school, this
social outcast who doesn't
469
00:22:27,910 --> 00:22:29,080
have a lot going for him.
470
00:22:29,170 --> 00:22:31,150
Stop the car. Stop the car.
Stop the car. Go back.
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00:22:31,170 --> 00:22:32,260
Go back.
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00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:33,960
One day he's driving
with his friend,
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and out of the corner of his
eye spots this rusty junker
474
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out in the middle of the yard.
475
00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:44,100
It's the only thing
he's ever wanted,
476
00:22:44,180 --> 00:22:45,840
and he's not going to
be talked out of it.
477
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,840
So he throws the
money down immediately
478
00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:49,710
to purchase this vehicle.
479
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,150
And that becomes his life.
480
00:22:51,230 --> 00:22:54,150
That becomes his passion.
481
00:22:54,190 --> 00:22:56,980
He restores this car to how
we saw it come off the line
482
00:22:57,070 --> 00:22:58,110
at the beginning of the film.
483
00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:04,120
Everyone starts kind
of looking at him
484
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,680
and getting jealous of the car.
485
00:23:05,770 --> 00:23:08,640
The girl he's with starts
getting jealous of the car.
486
00:23:08,730 --> 00:23:13,210
[ROBERT & JOHNNY, "WE BELONG
TOGETHER"] You're mine
487
00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:21,050
And we belong together
488
00:23:21,130 --> 00:23:25,490
Yes we belong together
489
00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:29,010
These bullies
that he had who had
490
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:31,800
threatened his life before
in this violent way try
491
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:32,910
to take the car out.
492
00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:35,710
[bangs]
493
00:23:38,670 --> 00:23:39,940
It's a love story.
494
00:23:40,020 --> 00:23:41,940
It's a love story between
a boy and his car.
495
00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:46,030
And it's a love story that has
weird moments of, you know,
496
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,730
that moment where he
says, OK, show me.
497
00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:49,550
And the car rebuilds itself.
498
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,250
And he's just there watching.
499
00:23:51,340 --> 00:23:53,120
And even the lighting
and the way it's filmed,
500
00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:55,340
it all looks like
a girl stripping.
501
00:23:55,390 --> 00:23:58,000
It looks like something
that's supposed to be teasing
502
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,000
and a little bit
sexual, which is
503
00:24:00,090 --> 00:24:04,000
such an interesting idea for
a piece of junk essentially.
504
00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:05,830
[upbeat music]
505
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,360
[engine roaring]
506
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,140
We watch the car,
and these amazing shots
507
00:24:13,230 --> 00:24:16,890
get revenge against the
people that attacked it.
508
00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:19,760
[screaming]
509
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,800
[clattering]
510
00:24:22,890 --> 00:24:28,940
There's this incredible scene
of the car after killing several
511
00:24:29,030 --> 00:24:30,900
of these bullies in
this gas station,
512
00:24:30,990 --> 00:24:32,810
making the entire thing explode.
513
00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:35,600
And this huge plume
of fire chases
514
00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:39,260
down the final leader
of these bullies
515
00:24:39,340 --> 00:24:41,610
completely just in a blaze.
516
00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:44,910
And it's just this incredible,
beautiful shot that
517
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,650
looks like something
out of like,
518
00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:51,310
you know, any slasher film
of this terrifying monster
519
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,010
coming after this potential
victim, but it's a car.
520
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:55,950
Please.
521
00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:58,800
[engine roaring]
522
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,230
[crashing]
523
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,800
It's played so straight that you
524
00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:08,980
kind of forget how outlandish
the subject matter is.
525
00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:12,770
John Carpenter really
puts us all into this.
526
00:25:12,850 --> 00:25:14,640
AXELLLE CAROLYN: I don't
think that Carpenter
527
00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:17,160
was very happy with it
at the end of the day.
528
00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:19,380
It's a little miracle
that something
529
00:25:19,470 --> 00:25:23,170
so elegant for
the subject matter
530
00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:25,740
would come out from
a filmmaker who
531
00:25:25,780 --> 00:25:28,870
didn't have full confidence in
what he was doing, I suppose.
532
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,310
It's a real testimony to
his technical abilities
533
00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:35,880
and to his instinct
to find what's going
534
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:36,990
to make it work on screen.
535
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:39,660
[suspenseful music]
536
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,990
I want you to feel
this on my nose.
537
00:25:59,550 --> 00:26:00,860
Why you look at?
538
00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:11,040
You're the one who looks like
he could use a vacation, Doc.
539
00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:18,570
Well, you were
having a bad dream.
540
00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:20,400
You must have been a
real wowser by the sound.
541
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,930
I'm in the mood
for some music, '80s.
542
00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:34,190
I'll make that happen.
543
00:26:43,420 --> 00:26:44,950
You want me to sign it for you?
544
00:26:45,030 --> 00:26:45,970
No.
545
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:47,080
I didn't like the ending.
546
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,910
[rumbling]
547
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,610
TOM HOLLAND: When Stephen
first appeared on the scene,
548
00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:02,050
horror was minuscule.
549
00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:05,580
[ominous music]
550
00:27:05,660 --> 00:27:09,140
Stephen single-handedly
popularized horror
551
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:10,360
as America understands it.
552
00:27:10,450 --> 00:27:11,260
Bill.
553
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,840
[ominous music]
554
00:27:13,930 --> 00:27:15,720
I will fear no evil.
555
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,940
And he did it that way by
writing about people like you
556
00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:22,290
and me, middle-class people,
lower middle-class people,
557
00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:23,590
whatever, working people.
558
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,770
And he made it real and made
you feel like, oh my gosh,
559
00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:34,390
this could be happening to me.
560
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:36,260
The meiosis is
the Stephen King's
561
00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:38,350
name blots out everybody else.
562
00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:42,610
The pluses of it are that
there's some terrific material
563
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:43,570
to choose from.
564
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:49,180
I got offered Thinner.
565
00:27:49,270 --> 00:27:54,540
And Thinner is very
odd in the sense
566
00:27:54,620 --> 00:27:56,710
that I thought the
story was very...
567
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,930
was terrific and very solid.
568
00:27:59,020 --> 00:28:02,940
But there was something that
was also humorous about it.
569
00:28:03,020 --> 00:28:05,330
Usually when you're
in a Stephen King story,
570
00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:07,860
you like your protagonist, like
you're following them around.
571
00:28:07,940 --> 00:28:08,840
You feel for them.
572
00:28:08,860 --> 00:28:10,950
You want to side with them.
573
00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:13,340
They're... they're somebody
that you feel connected with.
574
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:15,780
Thinner, not so much.
575
00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:18,560
Just doing my job.
576
00:28:18,650 --> 00:28:22,480
Robert John Burke is the
lead and is not playing
577
00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:25,740
it sympathetically at all.
578
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:28,570
He starts out an
absolute shithead.
579
00:28:28,660 --> 00:28:33,580
He's getting a blowjob from his
wife and runs this woman over.
580
00:28:33,660 --> 00:28:35,930
[screaming]
581
00:28:36,010 --> 00:28:39,190
[crashes]
582
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,370
And then they
tried to, you know,
583
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:46,720
kind of corrupt the court
system so that he gets off.
584
00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:49,590
And then that's what
enacts the Gypsy curse.
585
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,850
Sir.
586
00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:52,940
In the film, of course,
they do that thing
587
00:28:53,030 --> 00:28:55,290
Thinner where he rubs his face.
588
00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:57,560
Thinner.
589
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,470
I will quote that with
my friends all the time.
590
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,740
Thinner.
591
00:29:01,820 --> 00:29:03,480
Why is he saying it?
Does he have to say it?
592
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,690
And does he have
to rub his face?
593
00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:06,040
I don't know.
594
00:29:06,130 --> 00:29:10,090
He's been cursed to lose
weight until he dies.
595
00:29:10,180 --> 00:29:11,610
I've lost 100 pounds.
596
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:13,090
Before you know it, you'll
be able to see your balls
597
00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:14,120
without using a mirror.
598
00:29:14,140 --> 00:29:15,880
[laughter]
599
00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:17,970
You can eat as much as
he wants it doesn't matter,
600
00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:19,140
he's going to keep
losing weight.
601
00:29:19,230 --> 00:29:20,490
[laughs]
602
00:29:20,580 --> 00:29:22,930
That was one I saw
when I was very young,
603
00:29:23,020 --> 00:29:27,060
and it was so scary to me.
604
00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:32,070
Seeing his body actually
get thinner as a kid,
605
00:29:32,110 --> 00:29:33,920
I was like, how?
How?
606
00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:35,420
Like, how are they doing this?
607
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:37,640
I just didn't understand
special effects at that point.
608
00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:38,950
And I was like, I...
609
00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:39,970
this is so unsettling.
610
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:42,250
[laughs] I'm not a fan.
611
00:29:42,340 --> 00:29:46,650
I'm being erased.
612
00:29:46,690 --> 00:29:48,780
Instead of accepting this curse
613
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:52,090
or going back and apologizing,
he takes violence.
614
00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:54,530
He chooses violence and he
goes, and he attacks them.
615
00:29:54,610 --> 00:29:58,920
I curse you and everybody I see
616
00:29:59,010 --> 00:30:02,140
by the light of this fire,
the curse of the White man
617
00:30:02,190 --> 00:30:03,360
from town.
618
00:30:03,450 --> 00:30:05,580
And then ultimately
under duress, they
619
00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:06,930
tell him how to fix the curse.
620
00:30:06,970 --> 00:30:10,980
You got to give it to this pie.
621
00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:21,030
Then you give this pie with the
curse inside to somebody else.
622
00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:24,770
And what happens in
the book and I filmed it
623
00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:27,560
and I thought it was
great was that Billy
624
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,740
realized his wife was
being unfaithful with him
625
00:30:29,820 --> 00:30:30,780
to the doctor.
626
00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:39,270
And he's transferred the curse
from himself into the pie.
627
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:40,790
And he puts it
down in the kitchen
628
00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:42,440
knowing when she gets
up in the morning,
629
00:30:42,490 --> 00:30:43,970
she's going to have a piece.
630
00:30:44,050 --> 00:30:46,010
And then she'll have the curse.
631
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:49,630
And so he'll have his vengeance
on her for cheating on him.
632
00:30:49,710 --> 00:30:51,540
And then he gets
up in the morning...
633
00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:53,670
I'm talking about the book
now, gets up in the morning
634
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,890
and he goes downstairs.
635
00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:59,200
And my God, a piece
of the pie is gone.
636
00:30:59,290 --> 00:31:00,310
And he's thrilled.
637
00:31:00,330 --> 00:31:01,720
And he turns around.
638
00:31:01,810 --> 00:31:04,340
And there's the only person
he really loves in life,
639
00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:06,030
his 17-year-old daughter.
640
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,080
And she's saying, oh, dad, the
strawberry pie was delicious.
641
00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:12,560
I love you.
642
00:31:12,650 --> 00:31:15,000
And he is destroyed.
643
00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:19,960
And now he has to do something
to save his daughter.
644
00:31:20,050 --> 00:31:23,790
And the only way he can do
anything is take the curse back.
645
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,010
And so he eats the
strawberry pie.
646
00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:32,840
And the audience
absolutely hated it.
647
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:35,370
They hated that ending.
648
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:38,370
So I finagled it a little bit
to try to give them a little bit
649
00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:39,980
of audience satisfaction.
650
00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:43,460
He invites the doctor in to have
a piece of pie in the morning
651
00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:45,200
when he shows up.
652
00:31:45,290 --> 00:31:46,420
As matter of fact, I was just
going to dig into a big slice
653
00:31:46,510 --> 00:31:47,680
of this breakfast pie.
654
00:31:47,770 --> 00:31:49,210
And I think maybe
that made the audience
655
00:31:49,290 --> 00:31:50,600
feel a little bit better.
656
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:54,430
But I felt like I was a
whore to the audience.
657
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,080
But I had spelling
entertainment,
658
00:31:56,170 --> 00:31:58,610
and I had Paramount
standing in my back saying,
659
00:31:58,650 --> 00:32:00,570
do something, do
something, do something.
660
00:32:00,650 --> 00:32:03,390
So that's what I did.
661
00:32:05,530 --> 00:32:08,700
Wow, those are your cats.
There's a lot of them.
662
00:32:08,790 --> 00:32:11,880
They're strays, but
we'll get rid of them.
663
00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:14,450
The first time I
worked with Stephen King
664
00:32:14,540 --> 00:32:16,930
was on Sleepwalkers.
665
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:20,280
It was his first produced
original Screenplay.
666
00:32:20,370 --> 00:32:23,940
Sleepwalkers is one of the
wackier Stephen King plots.
667
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:29,030
And it's one of my favorite
Stephen King adaptations.
668
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,250
It takes place in a very,
very classic Stephen
669
00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:35,510
King town high Americana.
670
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,650
It's an underrated classic
most known for a scene
671
00:32:42,740 --> 00:32:44,440
that comes early
on in the picture.
672
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,260
You can't hear us.
673
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:50,960
We have a young boy who
comes home and sees his mom.
674
00:32:51,050 --> 00:32:53,530
And the mom seems very
close and very touchy.
675
00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:54,750
And end up full-on kissing.
676
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,930
And the reactions that it gets
every single time that you watch
677
00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:04,110
that with friends is priceless.
678
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:08,760
Sleepwalkers are where
the vampire myth came from.
679
00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:11,160
They turn into cat people.
680
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:15,600
And they feed on the
essence of virgin females.
681
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,210
[ominous music]
682
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,210
The way you feed that
essence, you suck it
683
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,130
out of the female virgin human.
684
00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:30,390
And you feed it to the
female Sleepwalker sexually.
685
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,100
So you emit that essence
into the Sleepwalker.
686
00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:38,270
Pull over, motherfucker.
687
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,670
Everything about this
movie is so bizarre.
688
00:33:40,750 --> 00:33:44,410
The makeup that very well known
scene where he's in the car
689
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,930
and he turns into, you see a
flash of what the cat looks
690
00:33:47,020 --> 00:33:48,460
like.
691
00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:50,590
And it's this demented
bizarre, grinning creature.
692
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,290
What the fuck?
693
00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:54,980
It almost makes me think of
House, the Japanese movie...
694
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:56,680
[meows]
695
00:33:58,550 --> 00:34:01,160
...and those kind of grinning
cat in Japanese lore.
696
00:34:01,250 --> 00:34:03,860
[meows]
697
00:34:08,870 --> 00:34:11,130
MICK GARRIS: They're
also deathly afraid
698
00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:13,350
of the fatal scratch of cats.
699
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,830
Stop looking at
me, you fucking cat.
700
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,180
And cats can sense
them and seek them out.
701
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:22,660
This is both a
horror movie for cats
702
00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:25,620
and a cathartic
revenge film for them.
703
00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:26,760
Get that motherfucker.
704
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,190
[laughs] All right.
705
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,590
Good boy, Clovis.
706
00:34:30,670 --> 00:34:34,500
The town Sheriff had a
beloved pet cat Clovis.
707
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:36,110
Everything's going
to be all right.
708
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,120
[screaming]
709
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,290
The demon teenager
killed the town Sheriff.
710
00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:43,990
[meows]
711
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,430
So Clovis has had it with these
people who came into the town,
712
00:34:47,470 --> 00:34:49,780
colonized the town,
killed his parent,
713
00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:53,220
and now they're going after
Madchen Amick who he also likes.
714
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:54,350
[screaming]
715
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,350
[meows]
716
00:34:56,390 --> 00:34:58,530
So he knows that they
must be destroyed,
717
00:34:58,610 --> 00:34:59,920
but he can't do it on his own.
718
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,270
[meows]
719
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,660
Luckily, all the cats in
the town are sick of this.
720
00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:10,280
So like, a good union organizer,
he gets them all together.
721
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,150
And he says, we have to
go get these demon fucks.
722
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,330
And in the climax
of the film, they
723
00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:17,720
march up to the house
where the demons live,
724
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,070
and they attack them.
725
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,330
[meows]
726
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:25,730
There were 126 cats
in Sleepwalkers.
727
00:35:25,810 --> 00:35:27,950
[meows]
728
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,130
You've heard the
term herding cats?
729
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:38,130
That's very much what wrangling
cats on the sleepwalkers set
730
00:35:38,220 --> 00:35:40,740
was like, although they
were very well trained.
731
00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:41,640
[meows]
732
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:46,660
[gasps] Clovis.
733
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:49,620
It's the kind of story I guess
you could only make if Stephen
734
00:35:49,710 --> 00:35:52,450
King's name was on it because it
gave people confidence that it
735
00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:53,470
would be something scary.
736
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:54,800
And then it turned out to be...
737
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:57,060
I would never say that
Sleepwalkers is scary,
738
00:35:57,150 --> 00:36:00,410
but it's very strange and
unique and interesting.
739
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:02,760
And dealing with
bizarre themes and kind
740
00:36:02,850 --> 00:36:04,590
of beautiful at the same time.
741
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,070
It's just you and me, Clovis.
742
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,250
Just you and me.
743
00:36:12,690 --> 00:36:16,080
Silver Bullet is such a
highly entertaining watch.
744
00:36:16,170 --> 00:36:18,740
[ominous music]
745
00:36:20,170 --> 00:36:21,910
I recognize that
there's flaws to it,
746
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,180
but I'm really sensitive
to that because I really
747
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:25,270
do love the movie so much.
748
00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:31,490
Silver Bullet's made from
Cycle of the Werewolf, which
749
00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:33,750
was actually an illustrated
book that Stephen
750
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,410
King did with Bernie Wrightson.
751
00:36:35,490 --> 00:36:38,670
Bernie wrightson is
the greatest horror
752
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,930
illustrator that's ever existed,
as far as I'm concerned.
753
00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:44,150
I love werewolves.
754
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,330
And something I love
about werewolves
755
00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:48,030
is that oftentimes,
it's a mystery.
756
00:36:48,110 --> 00:36:50,770
[growling]
757
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:54,560
And Silver Bullet's very
much a horror mystery.
758
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,430
It takes that idea of every
time there's a full moon,
759
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:59,430
the wolf man is
going to show up.
760
00:36:59,470 --> 00:37:02,300
[screaming]
761
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,090
And then little by little, we're
going to have clues as to who
762
00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:07,430
it could be in the village.
763
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,790
Hey.
764
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,050
It's mad man Marty
in the Silver Bullet.
765
00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:16,400
I loved Silver Bullet when
I was a kid because it's
766
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:18,360
ultimately a kid's tale.
767
00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:22,150
It's Stephen King's kind of
classic kids on bikes battling
768
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,060
the evil in their
small town, except it's
769
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:25,410
a kid in a wheelchair.
770
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:27,370
You always take his side
because he's crippled.
771
00:37:27,460 --> 00:37:29,290
Well, it's not my
fault he's crippled.
772
00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:31,550
You just want to be quiet
or I'm going to smack you now.
773
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,290
I mean it.
774
00:37:33,330 --> 00:37:35,030
TRACEY SALISBURY: It's about
that brother-sister relationship
775
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,120
where you get on
each other's nerves
776
00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:39,300
and where adults
won't believe you,
777
00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:40,990
but kids believe each other.
778
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,990
And that's what's always
important in horror films
779
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,690
that kids believe each other.
780
00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:46,960
And there's nothing scary in
horror films that bump off kids.
781
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,830
Has anybody in here seen my son?
782
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:51,570
Brady.
783
00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:55,960
[classical music]
784
00:37:56,050 --> 00:37:58,010
Hail Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with Thee.
785
00:37:58,050 --> 00:37:59,660
You know, because when you bump
786
00:37:59,750 --> 00:38:01,880
there's no rules because, you
know, everybody could get it.
787
00:38:01,970 --> 00:38:04,760
[ominous music]
788
00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:08,500
TIM KASHER: So you
have a werewolf
789
00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:10,810
literally attacking
a handicapped child,
790
00:38:10,890 --> 00:38:13,980
like young teenager.
791
00:38:14,070 --> 00:38:16,330
I mean that's horrific
in and of itself.
792
00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:18,680
That's just my little brother
gets me so mad sometimes.
793
00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:20,380
AXELLLE CAROLYN: I
love the villain, too.
794
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:24,950
Well, Jane, brothers
sometimes do that.
795
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,300
It's perhaps the person
you expect nowadays,
796
00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:29,430
but at the time, I felt
like it was a surprise.
797
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,300
[screaming]
798
00:38:31,390 --> 00:38:33,610
[growling]
799
00:38:36,220 --> 00:38:38,010
The movie gets schlocky,
and I recognize that.
800
00:38:38,090 --> 00:38:39,700
But don't we love that, too?
801
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:43,750
Don't we just love it when
things get schlocky sometimes?
802
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,100
It's one of the best
Stephen King adaptations to me
803
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:48,100
because it captures
the essentials
804
00:38:48,190 --> 00:38:49,580
of what he likes to do.
805
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:52,330
He loves kids living their life.
806
00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:54,680
He loves these small
communities that
807
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,290
are living kind of peacefully
and have this entity come in.
808
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:59,640
And then how do they react?
809
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,380
How do they lose their humanity?
810
00:39:01,460 --> 00:39:03,340
Or how do they retain
being a community?
811
00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:06,210
[growling]
812
00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:07,640
[gunshots]
813
00:39:09,340 --> 00:39:14,390
Holy jumped-up Jesus palomino!
814
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,740
You know, in the end, he's
always on the side of the kids.
815
00:39:18,830 --> 00:39:21,660
And then the monsters can
sometimes be sympathetic.
816
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:23,140
[growling]
817
00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:25,100
[screaming]
818
00:39:25,180 --> 00:39:27,490
[ominous music]
819
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,460
MIKE [VOICEOVER]: Do you know
why I can stay in your spooky
820
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:41,680
old room, Mr. Olin?
821
00:39:41,770 --> 00:39:44,250
Because I know the
ghoulies and ghosties
822
00:39:44,290 --> 00:39:47,250
and long-legged
beasties don't exist.
823
00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:48,320
Hey!
824
00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:53,690
[yells]
825
00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:56,040
[screaming]
826
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,310
Will you help me, Delores?
827
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:12,060
[screaming]
828
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,990
Bring him the blood
of the Outlander.
829
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,170
All: Praise God.
830
00:40:38,260 --> 00:40:39,430
Praise the Lord.
831
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,960
Praise God.
832
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,390
Many people have tried to
adapt Stephen King novels.
833
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,570
And people always ask
like, what is the reason
834
00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:51,180
some work and some don't?
835
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:54,970
And I don't really have a
good answer because you think,
836
00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:57,670
oh, let's just hew very
closely to the novel.
837
00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:58,610
[screaming]
838
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:59,750
Check!
839
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:05,810
But then you think
about the changes that
840
00:41:05,890 --> 00:41:09,370
are made to these
books when they
841
00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:15,420
make it to the silver
screen, they are successful.
842
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:18,910
The Dead Zone is an
example of an adaptation
843
00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:23,350
of a Stephen King novel where
so much is stripped out.
844
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:26,610
And it's leaner, it's
clearer, and it's
845
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:30,270
more compelling because
you're not changing
846
00:41:30,350 --> 00:41:31,920
perspectives all the time.
847
00:41:32,010 --> 00:41:34,440
There's less digression.
848
00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:38,010
That's just the nature of
filmmaking versus literature.
849
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:40,060
Literature is all
about the digression.
850
00:41:40,140 --> 00:41:42,450
And filmmaking is
all about getting
851
00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:45,670
to the next exciting moment.
852
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,330
So when you have
a great filmmaker,
853
00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:48,940
like a David
Cronenberg, they know
854
00:41:48,980 --> 00:41:50,150
how to make a movie out of it.
855
00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:51,940
And the vision there
was something missing.
856
00:41:52,030 --> 00:41:54,420
It was something I couldn't see.
857
00:41:54,510 --> 00:41:55,310
How do you mean?
858
00:41:55,330 --> 00:41:56,510
I don't know.
859
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,300
It was like, a blank
spot, a dead zone.
860
00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:04,950
The Dead Zone doesn't have
the signature body horror
861
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,260
of a Cronenberg, but it
does feature a lot of very
862
00:42:09,350 --> 00:42:12,440
cozy-looking sweaters being
worn by Christopher Walken,
863
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,050
which is kind of why I like it.
864
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:18,050
There's something very wintry
and nice about this movie,
865
00:42:18,140 --> 00:42:21,710
even though it does deal
with a possible inevitable
866
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,730
nuclear holocaust.
867
00:42:22,750 --> 00:42:25,410
[ominous music]
868
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:27,710
The Dead Zone is a Stephen King
869
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,410
adaptation about Johnny Smith
played by Christopher Walken.
870
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:33,460
He's just a regular guy.
871
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:37,380
He's happily in a relationship,
gets into a car accident,
872
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:41,250
goes into a coma, wakes up, and
now he has psychic abilities.
873
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:42,270
[screaming]
874
00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:45,300
[rumbling]
875
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:46,820
Baby.
876
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:49,300
Because that's what happens
when you go into a coma
877
00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:50,650
is you get super powers.
878
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:53,090
And he can see things
before they happen.
879
00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:57,440
He has a premonition about
bad things happening.
880
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:59,700
[clattering]
881
00:42:59,790 --> 00:43:02,880
The ice is going to break.
882
00:43:02,970 --> 00:43:06,230
So it's that cost
of having second sight
883
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,490
of having lost everything.
884
00:43:08,580 --> 00:43:11,280
He loses the love of his life.
885
00:43:11,370 --> 00:43:14,720
He's debilitated
by this accident.
886
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,770
And he's saddled with knowing
things he shouldn't know.
887
00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:20,850
Johnny is brought
in by the police
888
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:23,120
to find this serial killer.
889
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,250
[suspenseful music]
890
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,820
And then the third part of the
movie, the end of the movie,
891
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:35,090
he has a premonition of
the end of the world.
892
00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:36,020
GREG: Hey.
893
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,020
How are you?
894
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,720
- Good to see you.
- Hey.
895
00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:40,310
Thanks very much for coming.
896
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,750
He sees Martin Sheen's
future where he is this cartoon
897
00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:47,400
villain president
who has the suitcase
898
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:49,450
with the nuclear button in it.
899
00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:50,710
Do it, Joe.
900
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,280
And it's just so
maniacal and over the top.
901
00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:57,020
I think that's something
I like about it
902
00:43:57,060 --> 00:44:00,240
is it almost feels like a
weird satire of politics
903
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,850
and political imagery.
904
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,770
He has a choice to make.
905
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:09,080
Is he going to allow
this to happen?
906
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,520
Or is he going to assassinate
a candidate for the Senate?
907
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,690
[cheering]
908
00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:18,130
It's a movie about
duty in a way.
909
00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:21,090
What do you do when
you have power?
910
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:23,180
There's a lot of
that in King's work.
911
00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:25,750
It's what do you do with
power, and how do you wield it?
912
00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:28,140
How do you choose not
to or choose to use it?
913
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:34,970
He chooses to sacrifice
himself for the greater good...
914
00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:37,670
[gunshots]
915
00:44:39,850 --> 00:44:42,020
...which is the most
heroic thing you can do.
916
00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:44,420
[bangs]
917
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:48,380
But this is not really a movie
about heroism necessarily.
918
00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:50,990
It's a movie about a curse.
919
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:52,250
Who are you, you son of a bitch?
920
00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:53,600
Who sent you?
921
00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:56,950
This poor man is cursed
with this knowledge,
922
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,170
with this understanding.
923
00:45:00,260 --> 00:45:02,350
[gunshots]
924
00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:07,480
Telekinesis thought
to be the ability
925
00:45:07,530 --> 00:45:15,060
to move or to cause changes in
objects by force of the mind.
926
00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:17,320
[glass shattering]
927
00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:22,060
I think Carrie is
the most authentic
928
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:25,670
to King in terms of the
transposition of the book
929
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:26,610
to the film.
930
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:29,070
[classical music]
931
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,770
De Palma's Adaptation of Carrie
932
00:45:31,850 --> 00:45:34,810
shows someone that has a
true respect for the genre
933
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:37,030
and the source material.
934
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,470
Oftentimes, filmmakers will
approach something like horror
935
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,430
as campy or soapy or something
to kind of push limits with.
936
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,150
Creepy Carrie.
Creepy Carrie.
937
00:45:47,170 --> 00:45:49,570
Ha, ha, ha.
938
00:45:49,610 --> 00:45:52,050
But De Palma clearly respected
939
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:53,440
the character and the story.
940
00:45:53,530 --> 00:45:54,960
And you see that
in the filmmaking.
941
00:45:59,010 --> 00:46:00,270
Hi, Carrie.
942
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,930
I love that lush opening
theme where the camera's
943
00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:05,280
going through the showers.
944
00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:07,980
And, you know, Carrie's
having a moment of just
945
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:09,890
relaxing in the hot shower.
946
00:46:09,980 --> 00:46:13,370
And it's just kind of this
beautiful dream-like music.
947
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:16,330
[classical music]
948
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:21,950
Then she has her period, and she
doesn't know what's happening.
949
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,910
And she becomes terrified.
950
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:24,800
It's so brutal.
951
00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:30,130
[murmurs]
952
00:46:30,220 --> 00:46:33,220
It's the understanding that
a woman can bleed for five days
953
00:46:33,310 --> 00:46:35,220
every month and not die.
954
00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:36,880
We all accept that as reality.
955
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,840
But when you consider
it, that's magical.
956
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:41,770
That's horrific.
957
00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:43,010
Help me!
958
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:44,270
Help me!
959
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,190
That was a very
interesting point of view
960
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,930
through de Palma's lens about
how terrifying female sexuality
961
00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:51,040
can be.
962
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:52,980
Can I talk to you?
963
00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:54,090
Right now?
964
00:46:54,110 --> 00:46:54,960
It's real important.
965
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:58,160
[wheezing] All right.
966
00:46:58,250 --> 00:47:01,160
The women in Carrie,
the young women,
967
00:47:01,250 --> 00:47:03,950
not only come into this place
of power with their sexuality,
968
00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:06,950
but their brains come
online with manipulation
969
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:13,830
and using men as tools for
the cruelty and the power.
970
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:17,740
It's kind of a flip of what you
encounter a lot in the world.
971
00:47:17,830 --> 00:47:19,440
And when you become
an adult, you're
972
00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:22,530
very familiar with the trope of
men manipulating young women.
973
00:47:22,570 --> 00:47:25,750
But this kind of
off-putting manipulation
974
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:30,890
of young men by women is
disturbing in a unique way.
975
00:47:30,970 --> 00:47:35,650
- Billy, I hate Carrie White.
- Who?
976
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:37,630
Carrie is a nasty story.
977
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:39,900
It's a heartbreaking story.
978
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:44,200
It's so unfair, but that's what
makes it such a lasting horror
979
00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:46,820
movie and why there have been
so many remakes because you want
980
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:49,640
to just put that
lightning in a bottle
981
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:55,000
that unfairness of life when
you haven't had a shot and you
982
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,390
haven't been popular and
people have misunderstood you
983
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:58,830
and you finally have
a chance to shine.
984
00:47:58,910 --> 00:48:01,000
[ominous music]
985
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:05,310
And you end up with a bunch
of pig blood on your head.
986
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,310
[ominous music]
987
00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:16,150
It's satisfying on one level
to see her light up that place.
988
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,280
I never get tired of that scene.
989
00:48:18,370 --> 00:48:19,500
But it's such cost.
990
00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:22,370
[ominous music]
991
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:32,990
I saw the movie, and
then I read the book.
992
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,380
And the book is so good.
993
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:39,090
I just didn't realize
like how, like bad ass
994
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:42,390
Carrie was because
in the movie, she
995
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,570
like does the whole gym thing.
996
00:48:44,610 --> 00:48:47,530
But in the book,
she's like messed
997
00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:50,100
up the whole town, like she
just... she leaves the gym.
998
00:48:50,180 --> 00:48:52,230
And she's like going
just walking home,
999
00:48:52,270 --> 00:48:53,580
just being like
blowing everything
1000
00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:55,010
up, burning everything down.
1001
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:57,190
And there's just so much
more details in the book.
1002
00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:01,320
DAVID DASTMALCHIAN: He's
such a personal writer.
1003
00:49:01,410 --> 00:49:03,070
There's so much of
him in his work.
1004
00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:07,940
It's very hard to transpose
that to the screen well.
1005
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:09,850
So you live in a
Stephen King book
1006
00:49:09,940 --> 00:49:12,470
in a way you'll never live
in a Stephen King movie,
1007
00:49:12,510 --> 00:49:13,730
in my opinion.
1008
00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:15,900
I just have not had
that experience yet.
1009
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:20,780
[ominous music]
1010
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,050
The Shining is
probably the most revered
1011
00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:29,220
King adaptation while
also being the adaptation
1012
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:30,310
he likes the least.
1013
00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:35,400
The Shining is a complete
reboot of the book.
1014
00:49:35,490 --> 00:49:37,400
I mean, it's a
complete departure.
1015
00:49:37,450 --> 00:49:38,710
It just works.
1016
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,230
And it's great, but it's
not the book at all.
1017
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,280
[ominous music]
1018
00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:46,980
I almost don't think of it
as a Stephen King movie.
1019
00:49:47,020 --> 00:49:49,370
It's just it's so
Stanley Kubrick and Jack
1020
00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:52,460
Nicholson's movie in that way.
1021
00:49:52,510 --> 00:49:56,680
It changed a lot
of King's intentions.
1022
00:49:56,730 --> 00:50:00,430
Jack is going to take care of
the overlook for us this winter.
1023
00:50:00,470 --> 00:50:02,560
Jack Torrance is kind of him.
1024
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:04,340
And he related to Jack.
1025
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:08,040
And Jack was an
avatar for his fear
1026
00:50:08,090 --> 00:50:12,570
of being a bad parent, of being
an alcoholic, being violent
1027
00:50:12,610 --> 00:50:14,620
or, you know, unhinged...
1028
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:16,830
[screaming]
1029
00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:21,100
...and the solitary
nature of being a writer.
1030
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,280
But the movie turns
Jack into a slasher
1031
00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:29,930
villain in a lot of ways.
1032
00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:32,330
He's not sympathetic
even at the beginning.
1033
00:50:32,420 --> 00:50:34,240
ALEJANDRO BRUGUES: I'm
not one of those directors
1034
00:50:34,330 --> 00:50:37,860
that dies over Stanley Kubrick.
1035
00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:41,290
I see The Shining, and
I see all the bad things
1036
00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:42,730
Stephen King says.
1037
00:50:42,860 --> 00:50:45,080
There's no transition
in that character.
1038
00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:47,430
It's only Jack Torrance, Jack
Nicholson with his psycho
1039
00:50:47,470 --> 00:50:48,500
face there.
1040
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,650
Here's Johnny.
1041
00:50:49,740 --> 00:50:51,170
[screams]
1042
00:50:51,220 --> 00:50:52,960
And you're like, well,
who thought about putting
1043
00:50:53,090 --> 00:50:54,260
this guy in this place?
1044
00:50:54,350 --> 00:50:56,920
But it just... it's just great.
1045
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,070
It's great filmmaking.
1046
00:50:58,090 --> 00:51:00,840
[ominous music]
1047
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,930
Jack gets this power.
1048
00:51:06,010 --> 00:51:08,500
He starts to feel powerful
through the course of the film.
1049
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:11,450
And that leads him
to become a killer
1050
00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:13,540
trying to kill his own family.
1051
00:51:13,630 --> 00:51:15,850
Have you ever thought for
a single solitary moment
1052
00:51:15,940 --> 00:51:17,940
about my responsibilities
to my employers?
1053
00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:20,640
This corrosive
self-hatred, I think,
1054
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,770
is at the core of the film.
1055
00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:25,080
I think it's probably also in
the book a little bit, too.
1056
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,690
It's why do we lash out?
1057
00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:28,170
Why do we become violent?
1058
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:30,430
Why is Jack violent
towards his son?
1059
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,690
Why is he violent
towards his wife?
1060
00:51:32,820 --> 00:51:34,480
Why is he not successful?
1061
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,570
Why is he miserable?
1062
00:51:35,650 --> 00:51:37,220
Why are all of these things?
1063
00:51:37,350 --> 00:51:42,530
And it comes back to not having
any faith or belief in yourself.
1064
00:51:42,570 --> 00:51:45,310
[suspenseful music]
1065
00:51:45,450 --> 00:51:49,710
The Shining has really
transcended from just being
1066
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:54,720
a Stephen King adaptation and
become more of like a canon
1067
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,980
of classic film cinema.
1068
00:51:57,020 --> 00:51:59,370
It is considered to
be art in itself.
1069
00:51:59,460 --> 00:52:01,070
It is something that
is revered, that
1070
00:52:01,110 --> 00:52:05,120
is taught now in film classes.
1071
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,030
TANANARIVE DUE: There's so much
iconic imagery... the elevator
1072
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,820
doors with the
blood pouring out,
1073
00:52:09,860 --> 00:52:14,300
the twin girls standing
in the hallway, the bar.
1074
00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:16,130
Everything looked
exactly the way
1075
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:18,830
I pictured it, except
there was this one
1076
00:52:18,910 --> 00:52:21,660
major change from the novel.
1077
00:52:21,740 --> 00:52:27,530
And that is Dick Hallorann who
was the Black character who
1078
00:52:27,570 --> 00:52:32,010
survived the novel and literally
ends up with an axe in his chest
1079
00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:33,580
as soon as he walks
through the door.
1080
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:36,890
Now from a story
standpoint, I get it.
1081
00:52:36,930 --> 00:52:39,890
It's like you want to show
this is a dangerous situation.
1082
00:52:39,980 --> 00:52:41,590
You want to surprise the viewer.
1083
00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:44,110
Especially if you read the book,
you weren't expecting that.
1084
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,290
And it also raises the
stakes for Danny and his mom.
1085
00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:51,770
But it's such a tired trope
that sacrificial negro.
1086
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:56,600
And to take Dick Hallorann
and Scatman Crothers who's
1087
00:52:56,690 --> 00:53:00,220
such a legend and
lose him that way,
1088
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:03,390
that's just one thing that
just really, really bothers me.
1089
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,220
And I'm so, so glad that
Mike Flanagan corrected
1090
00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:11,180
that when he made Doctor Sleep.
1091
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:16,750
The overlook it was
always just pictures to me.
1092
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,100
But I didn't shine like you.
1093
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,930
Nobody shines like you.
1094
00:53:23,020 --> 00:53:26,760
Yes, Doctor Sleep, the
beautiful child of two
1095
00:53:26,850 --> 00:53:27,930
divorced parents.
1096
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:34,860
I'm thinking about my dad.
1097
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:37,340
TANANARIVE DUE: I was initially
surprised at how I was really
1098
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:40,340
drawn in to this sequel
to see what happened
1099
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:44,430
to Danny as an older
man, how the trauma has
1100
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,440
sort of gone through his life.
1101
00:53:46,570 --> 00:53:49,870
That theme of alcoholism
is always coming up,
1102
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,660
the alcoholism of Danny's
father and the first movie
1103
00:53:52,750 --> 00:53:55,180
and now it's sort of
that unhappy curse
1104
00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:57,530
that the son is still carrying.
1105
00:53:57,660 --> 00:54:01,840
Danny, you can't get away.
1106
00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:05,980
There's no more extreme trauma
than having your father chase
1107
00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:08,890
you and your mother around
with an axe like poor Dan
1108
00:54:08,980 --> 00:54:11,850
did when he was a child.
1109
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:14,640
So now he's grown, and
he is trying so hard
1110
00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:17,290
to rid himself of the
psychic infestation
1111
00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:18,470
that has taken over his mind.
1112
00:54:18,510 --> 00:54:21,380
[screaming]
1113
00:54:28,610 --> 00:54:31,610
If he could just cut
through the noise,
1114
00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:34,660
maybe he could help end
this needless suffering
1115
00:54:34,740 --> 00:54:37,530
that is happening at the hands
of these terrifying people.
1116
00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:42,490
Well, hi, there.
1117
00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:46,060
Doctor Sleep, I think, is
at least as good as the book.
1118
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:48,410
The book wasn't what
people expected.
1119
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:53,150
You know, you expect a
really claustrophobic
1120
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,110
ghost story, like The Shining.
1121
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,550
You expect it to be The
Shining 2, and it's not.
1122
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,690
With Doctor Sleep, it becomes
a sprawling story that
1123
00:55:03,770 --> 00:55:07,430
involves a lot more people.
1124
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,090
I think Mike Flanagan when
he fused the Stephen King
1125
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:15,520
vision and the Kubrick
vision, it was walking a razor
1126
00:55:15,570 --> 00:55:17,130
wire between two things.
1127
00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:20,790
And Mike somehow got to a
place where both things lived
1128
00:55:20,830 --> 00:55:23,180
in harmony not only
simultaneously,
1129
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:24,320
but they elevated each other.
1130
00:55:27,620 --> 00:55:30,020
If you read the novel, they
don't go back to The Overlook.
1131
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:31,800
The Overlook's burned down.
1132
00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:35,540
And so I think audiences
would have been rioting
1133
00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:37,240
if the overlook wasn't there.
1134
00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:39,550
And if you go to The
Overlook, obviously you have
1135
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,160
to go to Kubrick's Overlook.
1136
00:55:41,250 --> 00:55:44,340
And so threading that
needle took great skill.
1137
00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:51,950
For someone to take
the source material that
1138
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,740
comes from Stephen
King and then bring
1139
00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:56,350
it into the cinematic realm...
1140
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,480
Go.
1141
00:55:59,610 --> 00:56:02,090
DAVID DASTMALCHIAN:... requires
artists of the caliber
1142
00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:08,140
of the Flanagans who can
understand tone, theme,
1143
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:10,970
understand the
spirit of the story,
1144
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:15,540
and know that sometimes breaking
it loose of the world in which
1145
00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:18,590
it was constructed within
the narrative of the book
1146
00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:22,030
is going to be
necessary as well.
1147
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:28,380
TRACEY SALISBURY: From The
Shining to the Dead Zone,
1148
00:56:28,510 --> 00:56:30,470
bad things happen
to good people.
1149
00:56:30,510 --> 00:56:34,520
And they have to react
to it a particular way.
1150
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,130
And in the end it may be unfair,
but that's how it works out.
1151
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,220
And it's always a
darkness to him.
1152
00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:46,490
There's something that
might be out there.
1153
00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:49,490
And if you leave it to
chance, you might find out.
1154
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:50,970
And that's Stephen
King in a nutshell.
1155
00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:53,710
[ominous music]
1156
00:56:56,450 --> 00:57:00,320
JOE HILL: I asked my dad
once if he was scared of AI.
1157
00:57:00,370 --> 00:57:03,680
I said, you know, what if people
start using AI to pump out
1158
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:05,070
bad Stephen King imitations?
1159
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,460
He said, "People have been
pumping out bad Stephen
1160
00:57:06,550 --> 00:57:07,850
King adaptations for 40 years.
1161
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:09,120
I haven't let it bother me yet."
1162
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,420
[suspenseful music]
1163
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:17,430
[rumbling]
1164
00:57:32,970 --> 00:57:35,230
[screaming]
1165
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,110
[gasps]
1166
00:57:43,150 --> 00:57:47,070
[snarling]
1167
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,200
The ice is going to break.
1168
00:57:58,170 --> 00:58:00,950
[screaming]
1169
00:58:09,130 --> 00:58:12,700
This is what you're looking for?
1170
00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:14,620
[screaming]
1171
00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:20,880
Great party, isn't it?
1172
00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:25,150
[suspenseful music]
1173
00:58:51,830 --> 00:58:52,680
Thinner.
1174
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:54,610
[ominous music]
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