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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,010 [ominous music] 2 00:00:49,700 --> 00:00:51,700 Stephen King is just quite hard 3 00:00:51,790 --> 00:00:55,310 to adapt, right, because 90% of his books 4 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,750 take place in someone's head. 5 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,190 And it's not just someone's head, 6 00:01:00,270 --> 00:01:01,580 but it's like their backstory. It's their mother. 7 00:01:01,670 --> 00:01:03,230 It's how they grew up. 8 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,020 It's this like interesting story about these pair of pants 9 00:01:05,100 --> 00:01:06,320 they're wearing and why they're important. 10 00:01:06,410 --> 00:01:08,060 And that's why we love to read Stephen King. 11 00:01:10,980 --> 00:01:13,630 But you can't do that in a 90-minute movie. 12 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,810 It doesn't translate. 13 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:16,160 It doesn't work. 14 00:01:16,250 --> 00:01:18,200 And so all of these people, God bless them, 15 00:01:18,250 --> 00:01:23,900 who chose to adapt Stephen King, that's a tough job, right? 16 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:26,860 And there's some that I think really work and some that don't. 17 00:01:30,170 --> 00:01:35,350 You could do a whole season of just the King and all the work 18 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,880 in film that his writing has inspired from the stuff 19 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:42,360 at the very bottom that is still kind of wonderful... 20 00:01:42,450 --> 00:01:45,270 and I'd love to watch the Graveyard Shifts of the world... 21 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,580 all the way up to cinema classics. 22 00:01:52,890 --> 00:01:57,240 What are the must see Stephen King adaptations? 23 00:01:57,330 --> 00:02:01,640 [classical music] 24 00:02:01,730 --> 00:02:04,290 JOE HILL: The very best Stephen King adaptations 25 00:02:04,380 --> 00:02:05,680 are not horror films. 26 00:02:09,210 --> 00:02:12,910 The very best of them would be Shawshank Redemption 27 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,130 and Stand By Me... 28 00:02:15,220 --> 00:02:17,390 You guys want to go see a dead body? 29 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,480 ...which aren't scary pictures. 30 00:02:19,530 --> 00:02:22,620 They have scares in them, but they're 31 00:02:22,700 --> 00:02:24,050 clearly not horror films. 32 00:02:24,140 --> 00:02:26,660 Why did he have to die, Chris? 33 00:02:26,750 --> 00:02:28,840 Why did Danny have to die? 34 00:02:28,930 --> 00:02:32,500 One of the reasons that Shawshank and Stand By Me were 35 00:02:32,580 --> 00:02:35,500 so effective is because the filmmakers 36 00:02:35,590 --> 00:02:39,680 were free to focus on the rich inner lives of those characters. 37 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,200 Hope is a dangerous thing. 38 00:02:43,290 --> 00:02:45,250 Hope can drive a man insane. 39 00:02:45,330 --> 00:02:47,860 JOE HILL:... whereas with the horror films, 40 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:50,030 they always find themselves in competition 41 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,300 with the scares on the page. 42 00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:53,300 [ominous music] 43 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:57,560 I'm coming for you, Rachel. 44 00:02:57,650 --> 00:02:59,910 And that is a competition they are almost always destined 45 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,830 to lose that it's always going to be more 46 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:05,700 frightening on the page and in the reader's 47 00:03:05,790 --> 00:03:08,310 imagination than anything they can possibly get on the screen. 48 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:09,400 BOY 1: Georgie. 49 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:11,690 BOY 2: Bill. 50 00:03:11,710 --> 00:03:14,580 [ominous music] 51 00:03:16,540 --> 00:03:21,330 [muffled speech] 52 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,380 Of the horror films there's no doubt that the best of them 53 00:03:28,460 --> 00:03:34,600 is Andy and Barbara Muschietti's take on It chapter 1. 54 00:03:34,690 --> 00:03:37,690 I think It chapter 1 is and what the Muschietti has put 55 00:03:37,780 --> 00:03:39,300 on the screen was better than anything 56 00:03:39,390 --> 00:03:41,350 De Palma managed, anything that Kubrick managed. 57 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:44,040 [ominous music] 58 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,440 Part one is a masterpiece. 59 00:03:48,530 --> 00:03:51,140 I think everything works so well in that movie. 60 00:03:54,580 --> 00:03:57,360 And it's also so much love for Stephen King that... 61 00:03:57,450 --> 00:04:00,890 [ominous music] 62 00:04:03,850 --> 00:04:06,590 ...that's a book that changed my life. 63 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,810 And when I watched the movie, I was like so relieved. 64 00:04:08,900 --> 00:04:11,990 It's like, oh, he nailed it. 65 00:04:12,070 --> 00:04:13,470 Stan, we all have to go. 66 00:04:13,550 --> 00:04:16,690 That's a fantastic adaptation because it stayed so 67 00:04:16,770 --> 00:04:17,860 close to the source material. 68 00:04:20,690 --> 00:04:22,610 No. 69 00:04:22,690 --> 00:04:24,780 No. 70 00:04:24,870 --> 00:04:26,480 It felt like the book. 71 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,480 You know, I got that feeling of the struggles of being a kid 72 00:04:29,570 --> 00:04:31,090 and how you're going to figure that out... 73 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:32,200 Boop, boop, boop, boop. 74 00:04:32,220 --> 00:04:33,790 [laughs] 75 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,270 ...the monster kind of being representative of all of that. 76 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,490 [laughter] 77 00:04:40,710 --> 00:04:44,100 One of the reasons the film is so effective and so powerful 78 00:04:44,190 --> 00:04:46,540 is that we sense that the Muschietti's 79 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:48,330 care about those kids. 80 00:04:48,410 --> 00:04:50,810 Stay cool, Ben from social class. 81 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:52,420 Yeah. 82 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:54,160 You too, Beverly. 83 00:04:54,250 --> 00:04:56,070 Think tough new kid on the block. 84 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,730 JOE HILL: They respect and love those kids. 85 00:04:58,820 --> 00:05:06,260 And that compassion for Bev and Bill and Ben and Stan and Eddie 86 00:05:06,340 --> 00:05:10,130 run so deep that we can't help but be swept up by it 87 00:05:10,220 --> 00:05:13,050 and care for them as well. 88 00:05:13,130 --> 00:05:15,090 And so when they're put in mortal danger, 89 00:05:15,180 --> 00:05:19,140 we feel it very deeply. 90 00:05:19,230 --> 00:05:21,450 That seems like one of the main elements you need 91 00:05:21,530 --> 00:05:24,230 for a successful adaptation is taking a little bit of time 92 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,670 to build that world and to put those characters forward. 93 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,800 I'm not afraid of you. 94 00:05:29,890 --> 00:05:31,460 You can't just lead with the action. 95 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:33,020 You can't lead with the horror. 96 00:05:33,070 --> 00:05:35,770 You have to lead with the protagonist and the world 97 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:36,700 around them. 98 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,990 [ominous music] 99 00:05:48,820 --> 00:05:51,740 Oh, The Mist, oh, the movie that 100 00:05:51,820 --> 00:05:53,780 will never leave your brain. 101 00:05:56,700 --> 00:05:59,570 Oh, the way you feel the cold wetness 102 00:05:59,660 --> 00:06:03,490 of what that mist must have felt like and that almost like 103 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:04,620 got in my mouth. 104 00:06:04,660 --> 00:06:06,400 It tasted sort of moldy. 105 00:06:09,230 --> 00:06:11,930 What's it, daddy? 106 00:06:12,020 --> 00:06:13,320 Mist. 107 00:06:13,410 --> 00:06:15,070 Yeah, it's the darkest of all adaptations, 108 00:06:15,150 --> 00:06:18,110 [laughs] the one in which humanity 109 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,770 gets to really show its colors. 110 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,900 The Mist mostly takes place in a supermarket. 111 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:29,120 There is a big storm, all these people go to the supermarket 112 00:06:29,210 --> 00:06:30,390 to get supplies. 113 00:06:30,430 --> 00:06:33,130 And during that time, a mist rolls in. 114 00:06:33,170 --> 00:06:35,910 Something in the mist. 115 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,570 Something in the mist to John Lee. 116 00:06:38,650 --> 00:06:41,090 And monsters come out of the mist. 117 00:06:41,130 --> 00:06:44,750 [screaming] 118 00:06:44,830 --> 00:06:49,140 But the thing that's scary about the movie is not the monsters, 119 00:06:49,230 --> 00:06:50,710 it's the people. 120 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,060 Well, it is this kind of hubris that brought the wrath 121 00:06:53,150 --> 00:06:54,540 of God in the first place. 122 00:06:54,580 --> 00:06:56,110 This kind of pride and defiance of... 123 00:06:56,190 --> 00:06:57,320 [bangs] 124 00:06:57,370 --> 00:06:59,410 You know so much about this community 125 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:03,330 so quickly because they are both specific point 126 00:07:03,420 --> 00:07:06,460 of view characters and universal stereotypes. 127 00:07:06,550 --> 00:07:09,860 So you can immediately click in, but then 128 00:07:09,950 --> 00:07:12,640 King has created such specific voices 129 00:07:12,730 --> 00:07:14,300 for every single character. 130 00:07:14,390 --> 00:07:16,650 And the adaptation honors that in a beautiful way. 131 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:18,350 Well, if you need a friend. 132 00:07:18,430 --> 00:07:22,350 I have a friend, God up above. 133 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,090 I talk to him every day. 134 00:07:25,830 --> 00:07:29,230 The story is about human dynamics, what happens to people 135 00:07:29,310 --> 00:07:30,530 when they're under pressure. 136 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:32,400 Shut up you miserable buzzard. 137 00:07:32,450 --> 00:07:33,520 You old bitch! 138 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:34,800 No, no, no, no, no. 139 00:07:34,930 --> 00:07:36,190 But who are you? 140 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,020 Are you the crazy lady in the supermarket? 141 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:40,590 Or are you the hero who's going to try to actually help people? 142 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:41,480 Douse the lights. 143 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:42,760 [screaming] 144 00:07:42,850 --> 00:07:43,660 Look out! 145 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,550 Look out! 146 00:07:46,590 --> 00:07:49,590 Frank had always been very much a formalist as a filmmaker. 147 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,470 [ominous music] 148 00:07:57,470 --> 00:07:59,690 His movies were very studio style. 149 00:07:59,780 --> 00:08:05,650 They were very elegant and precise and well thought out. 150 00:08:05,780 --> 00:08:09,610 After he had done a pilot for a TV show, 151 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:13,920 he completely changed his philosophy about filmmaking. 152 00:08:14,050 --> 00:08:15,030 Glass is going to give. 153 00:08:15,050 --> 00:08:17,800 [glass shattering] 154 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,980 And The Mist is very by the pants, a lot of handheld 155 00:08:23,020 --> 00:08:27,200 and a lot of CG that's very realistic 156 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,510 looking, especially considering the year that it came out. 157 00:08:31,550 --> 00:08:33,120 At the very beginning of the movie, 158 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,810 there is a woman who is like, I have to go find my family. 159 00:08:35,900 --> 00:08:37,620 I can't... I can't stay here. 160 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:38,770 I got to get home to my kids. 161 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:40,120 [ominous music] 162 00:08:40,210 --> 00:08:41,860 And she leaves. 163 00:08:41,990 --> 00:08:44,950 And you just assume that these monsters just ate her right up. 164 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,220 But instead they're in the car at the end, 165 00:08:47,260 --> 00:08:49,610 and they realize these monsters are everywhere. 166 00:08:49,650 --> 00:08:52,180 There's nothing they're going to be able to do. 167 00:08:52,270 --> 00:08:54,140 So he takes the gun. 168 00:08:54,180 --> 00:08:55,490 He kills everyone in the car. 169 00:08:55,570 --> 00:08:58,010 [gunshots] 170 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,800 And then he realizes there's no bullets 171 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:04,930 left for him to kill himself. 172 00:09:04,970 --> 00:09:06,150 [screaming] 173 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,540 [bangs] 174 00:09:07,630 --> 00:09:10,150 So he gets out of the car ready to sacrifice 175 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,220 himself to the monsters... 176 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,810 [ominous music] 177 00:09:15,850 --> 00:09:18,510 ...only to have the military pull up at that exact moment 178 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,430 with the woman who left in the opening. 179 00:09:21,470 --> 00:09:22,360 She made it. 180 00:09:22,380 --> 00:09:23,990 She made it through the end. 181 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,740 She had the best idea the whole time. 182 00:09:26,820 --> 00:09:30,040 And it is so dark. 183 00:09:33,790 --> 00:09:37,570 The ending of The Mist is such a powerful and ballsy 184 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:42,880 change to do because the novella has 185 00:09:42,930 --> 00:09:44,140 a completely different ending. 186 00:09:44,190 --> 00:09:45,260 They just keep going. 187 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,630 And there's some sort of hope, and 188 00:09:47,710 --> 00:09:50,190 Darabont was like, fuck hope. 189 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,980 [chuckles] 190 00:09:52,020 --> 00:09:54,070 [screaming] 191 00:09:54,150 --> 00:09:56,900 To put your protagonist in that state in the end 192 00:09:56,980 --> 00:09:59,030 the movie there was probably the cruelest thing 193 00:09:59,070 --> 00:10:01,250 in the history of horror films. 194 00:10:01,330 --> 00:10:04,340 But it was honest. 195 00:10:04,380 --> 00:10:07,300 You don't have much faith in humanity, do you? 196 00:10:07,430 --> 00:10:11,480 None whatsoever. 197 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:14,910 Gerald's Game was something I wanted to make for years. 198 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,830 As soon as I read it, I thought this is going 199 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,480 to be a hard movie to make. 200 00:10:18,610 --> 00:10:20,480 Nobody's going to want to make this movie 201 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:23,570 because it's basically 90 minutes of a naked woman chained 202 00:10:23,660 --> 00:10:24,600 to a bed. 203 00:10:24,620 --> 00:10:26,840 And how do you make that happen? 204 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:30,230 And if I couldn't do it, I'm glad that Mike Flanagan could 205 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,670 because I just think he's one of the best guys out there. 206 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,330 Gerald's Game was a feat of filmmaking. 207 00:10:38,370 --> 00:10:42,200 Jessie and Gerald go to this house to try to like 208 00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:43,640 spice up their marriage. 209 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:47,730 And in doing so, Gerald handcuffs her to the bed. 210 00:10:47,770 --> 00:10:49,360 This is good. You'll like this. 211 00:10:49,380 --> 00:10:50,990 It's not working for her. 212 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,560 Daddy's going to get what Daddy wants. 213 00:10:52,650 --> 00:10:54,740 Fucking stop it! 214 00:10:54,820 --> 00:10:56,000 Uncuff me now. 215 00:10:56,090 --> 00:10:58,040 And he gets angry about this and starts 216 00:10:58,090 --> 00:10:59,960 talking about how badly their marriage is going 217 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,220 and during that has a heart attack 218 00:11:02,310 --> 00:11:03,920 and falls on top of her dead. 219 00:11:04,010 --> 00:11:05,530 So now she's alone in this House... 220 00:11:05,660 --> 00:11:07,100 Gerald 221 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:08,710 BREA GRANT:... with her dead husband on top of her. 222 00:11:08,790 --> 00:11:10,270 Gerald. 223 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,890 And the entire movie takes place with her handcuffed 224 00:11:14,020 --> 00:11:15,410 and trying to get out of these handcuffs... 225 00:11:15,450 --> 00:11:16,480 No! 226 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:18,150 Somebody help! 227 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,800 BREA GRANT:... while her husband is taunting 228 00:11:19,890 --> 00:11:20,960 her from beyond the grave. 229 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:22,500 You can pull to your wrists break, 230 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:24,030 you're not getting out of those cuffs. 231 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,590 He is dead, but yet sticks around 232 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,710 because he is a shitty husband. [laughs] 233 00:11:28,730 --> 00:11:31,160 [classical music] 234 00:11:32,860 --> 00:11:35,910 Gerald's Game is probably one of the best 235 00:11:35,990 --> 00:11:38,650 adaptations of taking an unfilmable story 236 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:40,170 and bringing it to screen. 237 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:42,700 Mike Flanagan did an incredible job because in the book, 238 00:11:42,780 --> 00:11:45,220 the voices in her head are multiple characters. 239 00:11:45,310 --> 00:11:48,660 And narrowing that down to just one version of her talking 240 00:11:48,750 --> 00:11:50,140 to herself... 241 00:11:50,270 --> 00:11:53,140 He put you in those handcuffs way before Gerald did. 242 00:11:53,230 --> 00:11:55,930 ...is a brilliant solution because otherwise you kind 243 00:11:56,060 --> 00:11:58,320 of get lost in the character drama, and that's not 244 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:59,410 what it's about, right? 245 00:11:59,540 --> 00:12:01,020 Jesus. 246 00:12:01,110 --> 00:12:04,200 It's about the need to survive and distilling it down 247 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,850 to that moment of survival... 248 00:12:05,980 --> 00:12:07,900 The last thing I want is to have 249 00:12:08,030 --> 00:12:09,510 to take you to the emergency room 250 00:12:09,550 --> 00:12:12,070 and have your finger sewn back, 251 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,690 ...which then blows everything up like a nuclear bomb 252 00:12:14,730 --> 00:12:16,510 as we're all sitting there with our hands 253 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,780 over our eyes just not wanting to watch that degloving... 254 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:22,350 [moaning] 255 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,870 Gerald's Game is some of the only horror movie gore that has 256 00:12:25,910 --> 00:12:27,260 ever made me feel lightheaded. 257 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:28,200 [ripping] 258 00:12:28,220 --> 00:12:29,660 [crying] 259 00:12:29,740 --> 00:12:32,700 The scene where she degloves herself 260 00:12:32,790 --> 00:12:35,310 to get out of the handcuffs, I genuinely 261 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,320 felt nauseous and dizzy. 262 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,930 And that just not happened to me. 263 00:12:39,010 --> 00:12:40,930 I watch horror movies for a living. 264 00:12:41,020 --> 00:12:45,060 But for some reason, that scene really got to me. 265 00:12:45,110 --> 00:12:45,910 It's disgusting. 266 00:12:45,930 --> 00:12:48,020 [crying] 267 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,240 And Carla Gugino, chef's kiss. 268 00:12:52,330 --> 00:12:55,990 Carla Gugino is one of the most underappreciated 269 00:12:56,070 --> 00:12:58,210 actresses of our generation. 270 00:12:58,250 --> 00:13:02,820 She approached that part with such a relentless bravery. 271 00:13:02,860 --> 00:13:07,520 At every turn, there was a lack of vanity or a lack of fear. 272 00:13:07,650 --> 00:13:10,610 She just dove in and ripped herself apart. 273 00:13:10,700 --> 00:13:13,480 I mean, just to be handcuffed to a bed not even for three days, 274 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:14,750 but for shooting days. 275 00:13:14,830 --> 00:13:19,710 I think it was 16 days in that position. 276 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,060 So the physical demands of the role aside, 277 00:13:22,140 --> 00:13:24,930 the emotional demands of that role playing both sides 278 00:13:25,020 --> 00:13:27,110 of the character and dealing with the trauma 279 00:13:27,190 --> 00:13:29,630 she was dealing with as the character, flawless. 280 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,200 [suspenseful music] 281 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,590 [rumbling] 282 00:13:47,780 --> 00:13:51,350 Girl, I don't have the balls to wear anything like that. 283 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:52,910 Don't I wish. 284 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:53,900 Just give me a beer. 285 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,740 [suspenseful music] 286 00:13:59,220 --> 00:14:01,270 Holy old Jesus! 287 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,320 And now, may the Lord bless you and keep you. 288 00:14:12,410 --> 00:14:16,940 May the Lord make his face to shine upon you. 289 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:20,860 So give us your report, Craig. 290 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:24,470 Tell us how much money you made for us. 291 00:14:24,510 --> 00:14:25,860 I ain't taking the rap on this. 292 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:27,380 I locked this place up every night. 293 00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:29,520 It's not my fault if every pervert, weirdo... 294 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:30,540 Don't talk to me. 295 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:31,650 Go talk to someone in charge. 296 00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:39,700 [rumbling] 297 00:14:39,790 --> 00:14:43,090 On the day of my judgment when I stand before God 298 00:14:43,180 --> 00:14:48,530 and he asks me why did I kill one of his true miracles, 299 00:14:48,580 --> 00:14:50,360 what am I going to say? 300 00:14:50,450 --> 00:14:52,230 MICK GARRIS: When you're adapting Stephen King, 301 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,890 you got to realize that the story is 302 00:14:54,980 --> 00:14:56,540 the most important thing and the people 303 00:14:56,590 --> 00:14:58,330 are the most important things. 304 00:14:58,410 --> 00:15:01,940 So many people just use it as a jumping off point. 305 00:15:02,030 --> 00:15:05,730 I ain't never seen me flick a show. 306 00:15:05,810 --> 00:15:09,250 But King's books and stories are very cinematic. 307 00:15:09,290 --> 00:15:11,600 Paul Sheldon: I guess it was kind of a miracle you finding me. 308 00:15:11,690 --> 00:15:13,650 No, it wasn't a miracle at all. 309 00:15:13,730 --> 00:15:15,470 In a way, I was following you. 310 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:16,590 You were following me? 311 00:15:16,610 --> 00:15:18,130 Well, it wasn't any secret to me. 312 00:15:18,220 --> 00:15:20,570 You were staying at the Silver Creek seeing as how I'm 313 00:15:20,650 --> 00:15:22,530 your number one fan and all. 314 00:15:22,610 --> 00:15:23,660 Don't move now. 315 00:15:23,740 --> 00:15:25,000 I wouldn't want to hurt this neck. 316 00:15:28,660 --> 00:15:31,270 Misery feels like a really strong adaptation. 317 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,750 It actually felt a lot like the book 318 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,150 and like a lot of the best King adaptations. 319 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:43,240 It also has the directors eye on it, stank on it. 320 00:15:43,330 --> 00:15:46,420 James Caan is driving along one day in this blizzard, 321 00:15:46,510 --> 00:15:47,440 and he gets in a wreck. 322 00:15:47,460 --> 00:15:48,900 [bangs] 323 00:15:48,990 --> 00:15:52,900 And thank God, Kathy Bates, Annie, she finds him. 324 00:15:52,990 --> 00:15:55,380 And she takes him back to her house. 325 00:15:55,470 --> 00:15:57,260 And she's going to nurse him back to health, 326 00:15:57,340 --> 00:16:00,130 but it turns out that she's also a big fan. 327 00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:01,390 How weird? 328 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,350 Oh, Paul, I've read everything of yours. 329 00:16:04,390 --> 00:16:08,090 The misery novels, I know them all by heart, all eight of them. 330 00:16:08,180 --> 00:16:09,960 I don't think there's ever been a movie that 331 00:16:10,050 --> 00:16:13,230 sort of centered on a frumpy sort of character 332 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,360 like that becoming the main character 333 00:16:15,450 --> 00:16:16,620 and the killer and the film. 334 00:16:16,670 --> 00:16:19,280 It was really scary at the time. 335 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,890 A character like Kathy Bates was always sort of like the MPC. 336 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:25,200 They were just someone in the background. 337 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:26,940 Right. 338 00:16:26,980 --> 00:16:28,550 Misery really put that type of character in the foreground. 339 00:16:28,630 --> 00:16:30,990 Kathy Bates was terrifying in that movie. 340 00:16:31,070 --> 00:16:32,380 They just cheated us. 341 00:16:32,460 --> 00:16:33,940 This isn't fair. 342 00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:37,990 He didn't get out of the Cockadoodie car. 343 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,560 The performance that Kathy Bates gives, 344 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,950 there's nothing like it. 345 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,430 There's never been anything like it. 346 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,000 There will never be anything like that 347 00:16:45,090 --> 00:16:47,180 in the pantheon of horror. 348 00:16:47,260 --> 00:16:49,180 She's so exquisite. 349 00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:51,480 When you first came here, I only 350 00:16:51,570 --> 00:16:54,010 loved the writer part of Paul Sheldon, 351 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:56,140 but now I know I love the rest of him, too. 352 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,710 I have this gun. 353 00:17:00,750 --> 00:17:02,580 [clicking] 354 00:17:02,670 --> 00:17:07,060 Sometimes I think about using it. 355 00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:11,030 As a writer myself, the idea of being 356 00:17:11,070 --> 00:17:15,030 held hostage by a superfan is already so terrifying. 357 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:20,160 But wow, she is basically the portrait of the superfan 358 00:17:20,250 --> 00:17:21,730 you never want to meet. 359 00:17:21,820 --> 00:17:22,710 You did it. 360 00:17:22,730 --> 00:17:23,820 You did it. 361 00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:25,560 You murdered my misery. 362 00:17:25,650 --> 00:17:26,720 Hey. 363 00:17:26,740 --> 00:17:29,220 [clattering] 364 00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:32,180 She ends up having a say in his new manuscript. 365 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:33,790 And her say is that she does not like it, 366 00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:35,400 and he needs to rewrite it. 367 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,100 And it becomes this horrible fan versus creator movie. 368 00:17:39,180 --> 00:17:41,880 You're going to write a new novel, your greatest achievement 369 00:17:41,970 --> 00:17:45,800 ever Misery's Return. 370 00:17:45,890 --> 00:17:48,370 Misery's return? 371 00:17:48,450 --> 00:17:50,330 I know you didn't mean it when you killed her, 372 00:17:50,410 --> 00:17:51,760 and now you'll make it right. 373 00:17:51,850 --> 00:17:53,890 KATE SIEGEL: There's something about the marriage 374 00:17:53,980 --> 00:17:57,510 of the filmmaker and the source material in Misery 375 00:17:57,590 --> 00:18:00,770 that just radiates through your body. 376 00:18:00,860 --> 00:18:06,120 The slow burn of the obsession and the realization of what 377 00:18:06,170 --> 00:18:09,130 the author is going through, I mean, when she brings the sledge 378 00:18:09,210 --> 00:18:11,560 hammer out to smash his ankles, I don't think there's 379 00:18:11,650 --> 00:18:14,180 a person in the world who doesn't tense up. 380 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:15,290 Kathy, please. 381 00:18:15,310 --> 00:18:17,050 [screaming] 382 00:18:17,090 --> 00:18:19,480 It's just a perfectly paced film. 383 00:18:19,570 --> 00:18:22,230 Almost done, just one more. 384 00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:25,400 In the novel, she chops his foot off. 385 00:18:25,490 --> 00:18:27,100 [screaming] 386 00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:30,840 And I think this was so much harder to watch. 387 00:18:30,930 --> 00:18:32,760 God, I love you. 388 00:18:37,890 --> 00:18:40,940 And Cujo, my God, I read the book in like one day. 389 00:18:41,030 --> 00:18:45,080 [suspenseful music] 390 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:49,120 And I think he wrote it in two or three. 391 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:50,910 What are you growling at? 392 00:18:50,990 --> 00:18:54,080 Such an intense movie, it's so brilliant because it 393 00:18:54,170 --> 00:18:55,780 doesn't need to go big. 394 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:57,610 It's just the simplest thing. 395 00:18:57,700 --> 00:19:00,090 [growling] 396 00:19:02,140 --> 00:19:05,660 I talk to writing students all the time about the brilliance 397 00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:09,400 of a story like Cujo, which you could just characterize 398 00:19:09,490 --> 00:19:12,580 as a mother and son trapped in a car 399 00:19:12,670 --> 00:19:14,760 while a dog is barking outside, right? 400 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,020 [growling] 401 00:19:16,110 --> 00:19:18,980 [screaming] 402 00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:22,160 In the novel, Stephen King is a master of characterization. 403 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,720 So you're in the car. 404 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:25,380 You have no choice but to care. 405 00:19:25,460 --> 00:19:29,030 The film, you don't have that interiority, but what you do 406 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:30,600 have is some really, really great 407 00:19:30,690 --> 00:19:32,300 performances, including a child actor 408 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:33,780 I used to watch on soap operas. 409 00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:37,080 [mumbling] 410 00:19:37,170 --> 00:19:39,430 Oh, there's no monsters. 411 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,870 I knew that kid from one of my favorite soap operas. 412 00:19:41,910 --> 00:19:45,050 So I knew he was a great actor, but not that great. 413 00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:47,220 So he really is kind of the heart 414 00:19:47,310 --> 00:19:50,400 and soul of this horrible situation that is so mundane. 415 00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:52,800 [crying] 416 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,060 [bangs] 417 00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:57,410 The car won't start. 418 00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:59,370 We've all been in that situation, 419 00:19:59,450 --> 00:20:00,980 but we haven't been in a situation 420 00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:03,110 where there's a rabid, really monstrous 421 00:20:03,150 --> 00:20:08,330 dog trying to get inside and trying to savage you. 422 00:20:08,420 --> 00:20:10,070 [screaming] 423 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:13,030 [growling] 424 00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:18,950 That ending in the novel spoiler, if you haven't read it, 425 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,080 the little boy dies. 426 00:20:20,170 --> 00:20:22,350 He's the cost of the mother's secrets 427 00:20:22,430 --> 00:20:24,570 and the mother's mistakes in some ways. 428 00:20:24,650 --> 00:20:28,740 And I wondered, are they going to do that in the movie version? 429 00:20:28,830 --> 00:20:33,050 Could we sit through a two-hour movie where the little boy dies? 430 00:20:33,140 --> 00:20:34,320 Well, absolutely not. 431 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,230 [crying] 432 00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:39,710 Baby. 433 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,670 So I'm not surprised they changed that ending one bit. 434 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,060 [glass shattering] 435 00:20:49,550 --> 00:20:50,590 I hate to be that guy. 436 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:51,850 There is this... I do have this one 437 00:20:51,940 --> 00:20:55,810 tiny pet peeve about the fact that, you know, 438 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:57,080 people say that dog was scary. 439 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,560 It's just like Cujo. 440 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,120 And the film is called Cujo, and everyone in the film 441 00:21:01,210 --> 00:21:02,390 calls the dog Cujo. 442 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:04,870 [growling] 443 00:21:09,570 --> 00:21:13,220 In the book, it's made clear that the dog's name 444 00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:16,710 is actually pronounced Cujo, that it's 445 00:21:16,790 --> 00:21:18,880 a Spanish pronunciation. 446 00:21:18,970 --> 00:21:20,620 But I guess it's too late to fix that one. 447 00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:21,520 [growling] 448 00:21:21,540 --> 00:21:22,970 [gunshots] 449 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:25,100 It's the tiniest little thing, but even 450 00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:26,580 my dad calls the dog Cujo. 451 00:21:26,670 --> 00:21:28,670 [ominous music] 452 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,060 Cujo. 453 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,590 Christine was one of the first ones I read. 454 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,510 And I remember it as a ghost story, as a possession story. 455 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,600 That's an aspect that Carpenter completely dropped in the movie. 456 00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:49,870 He kind of changed the nature of the menace, and it works. 457 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,780 And it works partly because he builds Christine 458 00:21:52,830 --> 00:21:54,790 like she is a proper character. 459 00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:56,920 The very fact that I would say she instead of it 460 00:21:57,010 --> 00:22:00,620 instinctively makes you see that this is a person. 461 00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:03,100 And he films her like a person. 462 00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:05,410 [screaming] 463 00:22:07,540 --> 00:22:12,890 It's a John Carpenter film, and it looks it. 464 00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:16,850 It is the most beautifully shot atmospheric 465 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:18,200 of the Stephen King films. - Come on. 466 00:22:18,290 --> 00:22:19,280 Get it, man. 467 00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:25,380 Christine follows this nerdy student 468 00:22:25,470 --> 00:22:27,820 at this school, this social outcast who doesn't 469 00:22:27,910 --> 00:22:29,080 have a lot going for him. 470 00:22:29,170 --> 00:22:31,150 Stop the car. Stop the car. Stop the car. Go back. 471 00:22:31,170 --> 00:22:32,260 Go back. 472 00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:33,960 One day he's driving with his friend, 473 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:39,960 and out of the corner of his eye spots this rusty junker 474 00:22:40,050 --> 00:22:42,530 out in the middle of the yard. 475 00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:44,100 It's the only thing he's ever wanted, 476 00:22:44,180 --> 00:22:45,840 and he's not going to be talked out of it. 477 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,840 So he throws the money down immediately 478 00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:49,710 to purchase this vehicle. 479 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,150 And that becomes his life. 480 00:22:51,230 --> 00:22:54,150 That becomes his passion. 481 00:22:54,190 --> 00:22:56,980 He restores this car to how we saw it come off the line 482 00:22:57,070 --> 00:22:58,110 at the beginning of the film. 483 00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:04,120 Everyone starts kind of looking at him 484 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,680 and getting jealous of the car. 485 00:23:05,770 --> 00:23:08,640 The girl he's with starts getting jealous of the car. 486 00:23:08,730 --> 00:23:13,210 [ROBERT & JOHNNY, "WE BELONG TOGETHER"] You're mine 487 00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:21,050 And we belong together 488 00:23:21,130 --> 00:23:25,490 Yes we belong together 489 00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:29,010 These bullies that he had who had 490 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:31,800 threatened his life before in this violent way try 491 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:32,910 to take the car out. 492 00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:35,710 [bangs] 493 00:23:38,670 --> 00:23:39,940 It's a love story. 494 00:23:40,020 --> 00:23:41,940 It's a love story between a boy and his car. 495 00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:46,030 And it's a love story that has weird moments of, you know, 496 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,730 that moment where he says, OK, show me. 497 00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:49,550 And the car rebuilds itself. 498 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,250 And he's just there watching. 499 00:23:51,340 --> 00:23:53,120 And even the lighting and the way it's filmed, 500 00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:55,340 it all looks like a girl stripping. 501 00:23:55,390 --> 00:23:58,000 It looks like something that's supposed to be teasing 502 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,000 and a little bit sexual, which is 503 00:24:00,090 --> 00:24:04,000 such an interesting idea for a piece of junk essentially. 504 00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:05,830 [upbeat music] 505 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,360 [engine roaring] 506 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,140 We watch the car, and these amazing shots 507 00:24:13,230 --> 00:24:16,890 get revenge against the people that attacked it. 508 00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:19,760 [screaming] 509 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,800 [clattering] 510 00:24:22,890 --> 00:24:28,940 There's this incredible scene of the car after killing several 511 00:24:29,030 --> 00:24:30,900 of these bullies in this gas station, 512 00:24:30,990 --> 00:24:32,810 making the entire thing explode. 513 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:35,600 And this huge plume of fire chases 514 00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:39,260 down the final leader of these bullies 515 00:24:39,340 --> 00:24:41,610 completely just in a blaze. 516 00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:44,910 And it's just this incredible, beautiful shot that 517 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,650 looks like something out of like, 518 00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:51,310 you know, any slasher film of this terrifying monster 519 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,010 coming after this potential victim, but it's a car. 520 00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:55,950 Please. 521 00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:58,800 [engine roaring] 522 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,230 [crashing] 523 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,800 It's played so straight that you 524 00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:08,980 kind of forget how outlandish the subject matter is. 525 00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:12,770 John Carpenter really puts us all into this. 526 00:25:12,850 --> 00:25:14,640 AXELLLE CAROLYN: I don't think that Carpenter 527 00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:17,160 was very happy with it at the end of the day. 528 00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:19,380 It's a little miracle that something 529 00:25:19,470 --> 00:25:23,170 so elegant for the subject matter 530 00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:25,740 would come out from a filmmaker who 531 00:25:25,780 --> 00:25:28,870 didn't have full confidence in what he was doing, I suppose. 532 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,310 It's a real testimony to his technical abilities 533 00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:35,880 and to his instinct to find what's going 534 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:36,990 to make it work on screen. 535 00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:39,660 [suspenseful music] 536 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,990 I want you to feel this on my nose. 537 00:25:59,550 --> 00:26:00,860 Why you look at? 538 00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:11,040 You're the one who looks like he could use a vacation, Doc. 539 00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:18,570 Well, you were having a bad dream. 540 00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:20,400 You must have been a real wowser by the sound. 541 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,930 I'm in the mood for some music, '80s. 542 00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:34,190 I'll make that happen. 543 00:26:43,420 --> 00:26:44,950 You want me to sign it for you? 544 00:26:45,030 --> 00:26:45,970 No. 545 00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:47,080 I didn't like the ending. 546 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,910 [rumbling] 547 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,610 TOM HOLLAND: When Stephen first appeared on the scene, 548 00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:02,050 horror was minuscule. 549 00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:05,580 [ominous music] 550 00:27:05,660 --> 00:27:09,140 Stephen single-handedly popularized horror 551 00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:10,360 as America understands it. 552 00:27:10,450 --> 00:27:11,260 Bill. 553 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,840 [ominous music] 554 00:27:13,930 --> 00:27:15,720 I will fear no evil. 555 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,940 And he did it that way by writing about people like you 556 00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:22,290 and me, middle-class people, lower middle-class people, 557 00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:23,590 whatever, working people. 558 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,770 And he made it real and made you feel like, oh my gosh, 559 00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:34,390 this could be happening to me. 560 00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:36,260 The meiosis is the Stephen King's 561 00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:38,350 name blots out everybody else. 562 00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:42,610 The pluses of it are that there's some terrific material 563 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:43,570 to choose from. 564 00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:49,180 I got offered Thinner. 565 00:27:49,270 --> 00:27:54,540 And Thinner is very odd in the sense 566 00:27:54,620 --> 00:27:56,710 that I thought the story was very... 567 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,930 was terrific and very solid. 568 00:27:59,020 --> 00:28:02,940 But there was something that was also humorous about it. 569 00:28:03,020 --> 00:28:05,330 Usually when you're in a Stephen King story, 570 00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:07,860 you like your protagonist, like you're following them around. 571 00:28:07,940 --> 00:28:08,840 You feel for them. 572 00:28:08,860 --> 00:28:10,950 You want to side with them. 573 00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:13,340 They're... they're somebody that you feel connected with. 574 00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:15,780 Thinner, not so much. 575 00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:18,560 Just doing my job. 576 00:28:18,650 --> 00:28:22,480 Robert John Burke is the lead and is not playing 577 00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:25,740 it sympathetically at all. 578 00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:28,570 He starts out an absolute shithead. 579 00:28:28,660 --> 00:28:33,580 He's getting a blowjob from his wife and runs this woman over. 580 00:28:33,660 --> 00:28:35,930 [screaming] 581 00:28:36,010 --> 00:28:39,190 [crashes] 582 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,370 And then they tried to, you know, 583 00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:46,720 kind of corrupt the court system so that he gets off. 584 00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:49,590 And then that's what enacts the Gypsy curse. 585 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,850 Sir. 586 00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:52,940 In the film, of course, they do that thing 587 00:28:53,030 --> 00:28:55,290 Thinner where he rubs his face. 588 00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:57,560 Thinner. 589 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,470 I will quote that with my friends all the time. 590 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,740 Thinner. 591 00:29:01,820 --> 00:29:03,480 Why is he saying it? Does he have to say it? 592 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,690 And does he have to rub his face? 593 00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:06,040 I don't know. 594 00:29:06,130 --> 00:29:10,090 He's been cursed to lose weight until he dies. 595 00:29:10,180 --> 00:29:11,610 I've lost 100 pounds. 596 00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:13,090 Before you know it, you'll be able to see your balls 597 00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:14,120 without using a mirror. 598 00:29:14,140 --> 00:29:15,880 [laughter] 599 00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:17,970 You can eat as much as he wants it doesn't matter, 600 00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:19,140 he's going to keep losing weight. 601 00:29:19,230 --> 00:29:20,490 [laughs] 602 00:29:20,580 --> 00:29:22,930 That was one I saw when I was very young, 603 00:29:23,020 --> 00:29:27,060 and it was so scary to me. 604 00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:32,070 Seeing his body actually get thinner as a kid, 605 00:29:32,110 --> 00:29:33,920 I was like, how? How? 606 00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:35,420 Like, how are they doing this? 607 00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:37,640 I just didn't understand special effects at that point. 608 00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:38,950 And I was like, I... 609 00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:39,970 this is so unsettling. 610 00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:42,250 [laughs] I'm not a fan. 611 00:29:42,340 --> 00:29:46,650 I'm being erased. 612 00:29:46,690 --> 00:29:48,780 Instead of accepting this curse 613 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:52,090 or going back and apologizing, he takes violence. 614 00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:54,530 He chooses violence and he goes, and he attacks them. 615 00:29:54,610 --> 00:29:58,920 I curse you and everybody I see 616 00:29:59,010 --> 00:30:02,140 by the light of this fire, the curse of the White man 617 00:30:02,190 --> 00:30:03,360 from town. 618 00:30:03,450 --> 00:30:05,580 And then ultimately under duress, they 619 00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:06,930 tell him how to fix the curse. 620 00:30:06,970 --> 00:30:10,980 You got to give it to this pie. 621 00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:21,030 Then you give this pie with the curse inside to somebody else. 622 00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:24,770 And what happens in the book and I filmed it 623 00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:27,560 and I thought it was great was that Billy 624 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,740 realized his wife was being unfaithful with him 625 00:30:29,820 --> 00:30:30,780 to the doctor. 626 00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:39,270 And he's transferred the curse from himself into the pie. 627 00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:40,790 And he puts it down in the kitchen 628 00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:42,440 knowing when she gets up in the morning, 629 00:30:42,490 --> 00:30:43,970 she's going to have a piece. 630 00:30:44,050 --> 00:30:46,010 And then she'll have the curse. 631 00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:49,630 And so he'll have his vengeance on her for cheating on him. 632 00:30:49,710 --> 00:30:51,540 And then he gets up in the morning... 633 00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:53,670 I'm talking about the book now, gets up in the morning 634 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,890 and he goes downstairs. 635 00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:59,200 And my God, a piece of the pie is gone. 636 00:30:59,290 --> 00:31:00,310 And he's thrilled. 637 00:31:00,330 --> 00:31:01,720 And he turns around. 638 00:31:01,810 --> 00:31:04,340 And there's the only person he really loves in life, 639 00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:06,030 his 17-year-old daughter. 640 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,080 And she's saying, oh, dad, the strawberry pie was delicious. 641 00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:12,560 I love you. 642 00:31:12,650 --> 00:31:15,000 And he is destroyed. 643 00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:19,960 And now he has to do something to save his daughter. 644 00:31:20,050 --> 00:31:23,790 And the only way he can do anything is take the curse back. 645 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,010 And so he eats the strawberry pie. 646 00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:32,840 And the audience absolutely hated it. 647 00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:35,370 They hated that ending. 648 00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:38,370 So I finagled it a little bit to try to give them a little bit 649 00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:39,980 of audience satisfaction. 650 00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:43,460 He invites the doctor in to have a piece of pie in the morning 651 00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:45,200 when he shows up. 652 00:31:45,290 --> 00:31:46,420 As matter of fact, I was just going to dig into a big slice 653 00:31:46,510 --> 00:31:47,680 of this breakfast pie. 654 00:31:47,770 --> 00:31:49,210 And I think maybe that made the audience 655 00:31:49,290 --> 00:31:50,600 feel a little bit better. 656 00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:54,430 But I felt like I was a whore to the audience. 657 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,080 But I had spelling entertainment, 658 00:31:56,170 --> 00:31:58,610 and I had Paramount standing in my back saying, 659 00:31:58,650 --> 00:32:00,570 do something, do something, do something. 660 00:32:00,650 --> 00:32:03,390 So that's what I did. 661 00:32:05,530 --> 00:32:08,700 Wow, those are your cats. There's a lot of them. 662 00:32:08,790 --> 00:32:11,880 They're strays, but we'll get rid of them. 663 00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:14,450 The first time I worked with Stephen King 664 00:32:14,540 --> 00:32:16,930 was on Sleepwalkers. 665 00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:20,280 It was his first produced original Screenplay. 666 00:32:20,370 --> 00:32:23,940 Sleepwalkers is one of the wackier Stephen King plots. 667 00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:29,030 And it's one of my favorite Stephen King adaptations. 668 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,250 It takes place in a very, very classic Stephen 669 00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:35,510 King town high Americana. 670 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,650 It's an underrated classic most known for a scene 671 00:32:42,740 --> 00:32:44,440 that comes early on in the picture. 672 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,260 You can't hear us. 673 00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:50,960 We have a young boy who comes home and sees his mom. 674 00:32:51,050 --> 00:32:53,530 And the mom seems very close and very touchy. 675 00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:54,750 And end up full-on kissing. 676 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,930 And the reactions that it gets every single time that you watch 677 00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:04,110 that with friends is priceless. 678 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:08,760 Sleepwalkers are where the vampire myth came from. 679 00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:11,160 They turn into cat people. 680 00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:15,600 And they feed on the essence of virgin females. 681 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,210 [ominous music] 682 00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,210 The way you feed that essence, you suck it 683 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,130 out of the female virgin human. 684 00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:30,390 And you feed it to the female Sleepwalker sexually. 685 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,100 So you emit that essence into the Sleepwalker. 686 00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:38,270 Pull over, motherfucker. 687 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,670 Everything about this movie is so bizarre. 688 00:33:40,750 --> 00:33:44,410 The makeup that very well known scene where he's in the car 689 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,930 and he turns into, you see a flash of what the cat looks 690 00:33:47,020 --> 00:33:48,460 like. 691 00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:50,590 And it's this demented bizarre, grinning creature. 692 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,290 What the fuck? 693 00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:54,980 It almost makes me think of House, the Japanese movie... 694 00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:56,680 [meows] 695 00:33:58,550 --> 00:34:01,160 ...and those kind of grinning cat in Japanese lore. 696 00:34:01,250 --> 00:34:03,860 [meows] 697 00:34:08,870 --> 00:34:11,130 MICK GARRIS: They're also deathly afraid 698 00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:13,350 of the fatal scratch of cats. 699 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,830 Stop looking at me, you fucking cat. 700 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,180 And cats can sense them and seek them out. 701 00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:22,660 This is both a horror movie for cats 702 00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:25,620 and a cathartic revenge film for them. 703 00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:26,760 Get that motherfucker. 704 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,190 [laughs] All right. 705 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,590 Good boy, Clovis. 706 00:34:30,670 --> 00:34:34,500 The town Sheriff had a beloved pet cat Clovis. 707 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:36,110 Everything's going to be all right. 708 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,120 [screaming] 709 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,290 The demon teenager killed the town Sheriff. 710 00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:43,990 [meows] 711 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,430 So Clovis has had it with these people who came into the town, 712 00:34:47,470 --> 00:34:49,780 colonized the town, killed his parent, 713 00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:53,220 and now they're going after Madchen Amick who he also likes. 714 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:54,350 [screaming] 715 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,350 [meows] 716 00:34:56,390 --> 00:34:58,530 So he knows that they must be destroyed, 717 00:34:58,610 --> 00:34:59,920 but he can't do it on his own. 718 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,270 [meows] 719 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,660 Luckily, all the cats in the town are sick of this. 720 00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:10,280 So like, a good union organizer, he gets them all together. 721 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,150 And he says, we have to go get these demon fucks. 722 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,330 And in the climax of the film, they 723 00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:17,720 march up to the house where the demons live, 724 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,070 and they attack them. 725 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,330 [meows] 726 00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:25,730 There were 126 cats in Sleepwalkers. 727 00:35:25,810 --> 00:35:27,950 [meows] 728 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,130 You've heard the term herding cats? 729 00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:38,130 That's very much what wrangling cats on the sleepwalkers set 730 00:35:38,220 --> 00:35:40,740 was like, although they were very well trained. 731 00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:41,640 [meows] 732 00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:46,660 [gasps] Clovis. 733 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:49,620 It's the kind of story I guess you could only make if Stephen 734 00:35:49,710 --> 00:35:52,450 King's name was on it because it gave people confidence that it 735 00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:53,470 would be something scary. 736 00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:54,800 And then it turned out to be... 737 00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:57,060 I would never say that Sleepwalkers is scary, 738 00:35:57,150 --> 00:36:00,410 but it's very strange and unique and interesting. 739 00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:02,760 And dealing with bizarre themes and kind 740 00:36:02,850 --> 00:36:04,590 of beautiful at the same time. 741 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,070 It's just you and me, Clovis. 742 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,250 Just you and me. 743 00:36:12,690 --> 00:36:16,080 Silver Bullet is such a highly entertaining watch. 744 00:36:16,170 --> 00:36:18,740 [ominous music] 745 00:36:20,170 --> 00:36:21,910 I recognize that there's flaws to it, 746 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,180 but I'm really sensitive to that because I really 747 00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:25,270 do love the movie so much. 748 00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:31,490 Silver Bullet's made from Cycle of the Werewolf, which 749 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:33,750 was actually an illustrated book that Stephen 750 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,410 King did with Bernie Wrightson. 751 00:36:35,490 --> 00:36:38,670 Bernie wrightson is the greatest horror 752 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,930 illustrator that's ever existed, as far as I'm concerned. 753 00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:44,150 I love werewolves. 754 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,330 And something I love about werewolves 755 00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:48,030 is that oftentimes, it's a mystery. 756 00:36:48,110 --> 00:36:50,770 [growling] 757 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:54,560 And Silver Bullet's very much a horror mystery. 758 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,430 It takes that idea of every time there's a full moon, 759 00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:59,430 the wolf man is going to show up. 760 00:36:59,470 --> 00:37:02,300 [screaming] 761 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,090 And then little by little, we're going to have clues as to who 762 00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:07,430 it could be in the village. 763 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,790 Hey. 764 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,050 It's mad man Marty in the Silver Bullet. 765 00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:16,400 I loved Silver Bullet when I was a kid because it's 766 00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:18,360 ultimately a kid's tale. 767 00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:22,150 It's Stephen King's kind of classic kids on bikes battling 768 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,060 the evil in their small town, except it's 769 00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:25,410 a kid in a wheelchair. 770 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:27,370 You always take his side because he's crippled. 771 00:37:27,460 --> 00:37:29,290 Well, it's not my fault he's crippled. 772 00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:31,550 You just want to be quiet or I'm going to smack you now. 773 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,290 I mean it. 774 00:37:33,330 --> 00:37:35,030 TRACEY SALISBURY: It's about that brother-sister relationship 775 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,120 where you get on each other's nerves 776 00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:39,300 and where adults won't believe you, 777 00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:40,990 but kids believe each other. 778 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,990 And that's what's always important in horror films 779 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,690 that kids believe each other. 780 00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:46,960 And there's nothing scary in horror films that bump off kids. 781 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,830 Has anybody in here seen my son? 782 00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:51,570 Brady. 783 00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:55,960 [classical music] 784 00:37:56,050 --> 00:37:58,010 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. 785 00:37:58,050 --> 00:37:59,660 You know, because when you bump 786 00:37:59,750 --> 00:38:01,880 there's no rules because, you know, everybody could get it. 787 00:38:01,970 --> 00:38:04,760 [ominous music] 788 00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:08,500 TIM KASHER: So you have a werewolf 789 00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:10,810 literally attacking a handicapped child, 790 00:38:10,890 --> 00:38:13,980 like young teenager. 791 00:38:14,070 --> 00:38:16,330 I mean that's horrific in and of itself. 792 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:18,680 That's just my little brother gets me so mad sometimes. 793 00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:20,380 AXELLLE CAROLYN: I love the villain, too. 794 00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:24,950 Well, Jane, brothers sometimes do that. 795 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,300 It's perhaps the person you expect nowadays, 796 00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:29,430 but at the time, I felt like it was a surprise. 797 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,300 [screaming] 798 00:38:31,390 --> 00:38:33,610 [growling] 799 00:38:36,220 --> 00:38:38,010 The movie gets schlocky, and I recognize that. 800 00:38:38,090 --> 00:38:39,700 But don't we love that, too? 801 00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:43,750 Don't we just love it when things get schlocky sometimes? 802 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,100 It's one of the best Stephen King adaptations to me 803 00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:48,100 because it captures the essentials 804 00:38:48,190 --> 00:38:49,580 of what he likes to do. 805 00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:52,330 He loves kids living their life. 806 00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:54,680 He loves these small communities that 807 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,290 are living kind of peacefully and have this entity come in. 808 00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:59,640 And then how do they react? 809 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,380 How do they lose their humanity? 810 00:39:01,460 --> 00:39:03,340 Or how do they retain being a community? 811 00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:06,210 [growling] 812 00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:07,640 [gunshots] 813 00:39:09,340 --> 00:39:14,390 Holy jumped-up Jesus palomino! 814 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,740 You know, in the end, he's always on the side of the kids. 815 00:39:18,830 --> 00:39:21,660 And then the monsters can sometimes be sympathetic. 816 00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:23,140 [growling] 817 00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:25,100 [screaming] 818 00:39:25,180 --> 00:39:27,490 [ominous music] 819 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,460 MIKE [VOICEOVER]: Do you know why I can stay in your spooky 820 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:41,680 old room, Mr. Olin? 821 00:39:41,770 --> 00:39:44,250 Because I know the ghoulies and ghosties 822 00:39:44,290 --> 00:39:47,250 and long-legged beasties don't exist. 823 00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:48,320 Hey! 824 00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:53,690 [yells] 825 00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:56,040 [screaming] 826 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,310 Will you help me, Delores? 827 00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:12,060 [screaming] 828 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,990 Bring him the blood of the Outlander. 829 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,170 All: Praise God. 830 00:40:38,260 --> 00:40:39,430 Praise the Lord. 831 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,960 Praise God. 832 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,390 Many people have tried to adapt Stephen King novels. 833 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,570 And people always ask like, what is the reason 834 00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:51,180 some work and some don't? 835 00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:54,970 And I don't really have a good answer because you think, 836 00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:57,670 oh, let's just hew very closely to the novel. 837 00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:58,610 [screaming] 838 00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:59,750 Check! 839 00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:05,810 But then you think about the changes that 840 00:41:05,890 --> 00:41:09,370 are made to these books when they 841 00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:15,420 make it to the silver screen, they are successful. 842 00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:18,910 The Dead Zone is an example of an adaptation 843 00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:23,350 of a Stephen King novel where so much is stripped out. 844 00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:26,610 And it's leaner, it's clearer, and it's 845 00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:30,270 more compelling because you're not changing 846 00:41:30,350 --> 00:41:31,920 perspectives all the time. 847 00:41:32,010 --> 00:41:34,440 There's less digression. 848 00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:38,010 That's just the nature of filmmaking versus literature. 849 00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:40,060 Literature is all about the digression. 850 00:41:40,140 --> 00:41:42,450 And filmmaking is all about getting 851 00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:45,670 to the next exciting moment. 852 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,330 So when you have a great filmmaker, 853 00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:48,940 like a David Cronenberg, they know 854 00:41:48,980 --> 00:41:50,150 how to make a movie out of it. 855 00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:51,940 And the vision there was something missing. 856 00:41:52,030 --> 00:41:54,420 It was something I couldn't see. 857 00:41:54,510 --> 00:41:55,310 How do you mean? 858 00:41:55,330 --> 00:41:56,510 I don't know. 859 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,300 It was like, a blank spot, a dead zone. 860 00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:04,950 The Dead Zone doesn't have the signature body horror 861 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,260 of a Cronenberg, but it does feature a lot of very 862 00:42:09,350 --> 00:42:12,440 cozy-looking sweaters being worn by Christopher Walken, 863 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,050 which is kind of why I like it. 864 00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:18,050 There's something very wintry and nice about this movie, 865 00:42:18,140 --> 00:42:21,710 even though it does deal with a possible inevitable 866 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,730 nuclear holocaust. 867 00:42:22,750 --> 00:42:25,410 [ominous music] 868 00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:27,710 The Dead Zone is a Stephen King 869 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,410 adaptation about Johnny Smith played by Christopher Walken. 870 00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:33,460 He's just a regular guy. 871 00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:37,380 He's happily in a relationship, gets into a car accident, 872 00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:41,250 goes into a coma, wakes up, and now he has psychic abilities. 873 00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:42,270 [screaming] 874 00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:45,300 [rumbling] 875 00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:46,820 Baby. 876 00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:49,300 Because that's what happens when you go into a coma 877 00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:50,650 is you get super powers. 878 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:53,090 And he can see things before they happen. 879 00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:57,440 He has a premonition about bad things happening. 880 00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:59,700 [clattering] 881 00:42:59,790 --> 00:43:02,880 The ice is going to break. 882 00:43:02,970 --> 00:43:06,230 So it's that cost of having second sight 883 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,490 of having lost everything. 884 00:43:08,580 --> 00:43:11,280 He loses the love of his life. 885 00:43:11,370 --> 00:43:14,720 He's debilitated by this accident. 886 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,770 And he's saddled with knowing things he shouldn't know. 887 00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:20,850 Johnny is brought in by the police 888 00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:23,120 to find this serial killer. 889 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,250 [suspenseful music] 890 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,820 And then the third part of the movie, the end of the movie, 891 00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:35,090 he has a premonition of the end of the world. 892 00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:36,020 GREG: Hey. 893 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,020 How are you? 894 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,720 - Good to see you. - Hey. 895 00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:40,310 Thanks very much for coming. 896 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,750 He sees Martin Sheen's future where he is this cartoon 897 00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:47,400 villain president who has the suitcase 898 00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:49,450 with the nuclear button in it. 899 00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:50,710 Do it, Joe. 900 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,280 And it's just so maniacal and over the top. 901 00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:57,020 I think that's something I like about it 902 00:43:57,060 --> 00:44:00,240 is it almost feels like a weird satire of politics 903 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,850 and political imagery. 904 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,770 He has a choice to make. 905 00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:09,080 Is he going to allow this to happen? 906 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,520 Or is he going to assassinate a candidate for the Senate? 907 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,690 [cheering] 908 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:18,130 It's a movie about duty in a way. 909 00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:21,090 What do you do when you have power? 910 00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:23,180 There's a lot of that in King's work. 911 00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:25,750 It's what do you do with power, and how do you wield it? 912 00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:28,140 How do you choose not to or choose to use it? 913 00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:34,970 He chooses to sacrifice himself for the greater good... 914 00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:37,670 [gunshots] 915 00:44:39,850 --> 00:44:42,020 ...which is the most heroic thing you can do. 916 00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:44,420 [bangs] 917 00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:48,380 But this is not really a movie about heroism necessarily. 918 00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:50,990 It's a movie about a curse. 919 00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:52,250 Who are you, you son of a bitch? 920 00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:53,600 Who sent you? 921 00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:56,950 This poor man is cursed with this knowledge, 922 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,170 with this understanding. 923 00:45:00,260 --> 00:45:02,350 [gunshots] 924 00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:07,480 Telekinesis thought to be the ability 925 00:45:07,530 --> 00:45:15,060 to move or to cause changes in objects by force of the mind. 926 00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:17,320 [glass shattering] 927 00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:22,060 I think Carrie is the most authentic 928 00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:25,670 to King in terms of the transposition of the book 929 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:26,610 to the film. 930 00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:29,070 [classical music] 931 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,770 De Palma's Adaptation of Carrie 932 00:45:31,850 --> 00:45:34,810 shows someone that has a true respect for the genre 933 00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:37,030 and the source material. 934 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,470 Oftentimes, filmmakers will approach something like horror 935 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,430 as campy or soapy or something to kind of push limits with. 936 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,150 Creepy Carrie. Creepy Carrie. 937 00:45:47,170 --> 00:45:49,570 Ha, ha, ha. 938 00:45:49,610 --> 00:45:52,050 But De Palma clearly respected 939 00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:53,440 the character and the story. 940 00:45:53,530 --> 00:45:54,960 And you see that in the filmmaking. 941 00:45:59,010 --> 00:46:00,270 Hi, Carrie. 942 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,930 I love that lush opening theme where the camera's 943 00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:05,280 going through the showers. 944 00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:07,980 And, you know, Carrie's having a moment of just 945 00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:09,890 relaxing in the hot shower. 946 00:46:09,980 --> 00:46:13,370 And it's just kind of this beautiful dream-like music. 947 00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:16,330 [classical music] 948 00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:21,950 Then she has her period, and she doesn't know what's happening. 949 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,910 And she becomes terrified. 950 00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:24,800 It's so brutal. 951 00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:30,130 [murmurs] 952 00:46:30,220 --> 00:46:33,220 It's the understanding that a woman can bleed for five days 953 00:46:33,310 --> 00:46:35,220 every month and not die. 954 00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:36,880 We all accept that as reality. 955 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,840 But when you consider it, that's magical. 956 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:41,770 That's horrific. 957 00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:43,010 Help me! 958 00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:44,270 Help me! 959 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,190 That was a very interesting point of view 960 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,930 through de Palma's lens about how terrifying female sexuality 961 00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:51,040 can be. 962 00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:52,980 Can I talk to you? 963 00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:54,090 Right now? 964 00:46:54,110 --> 00:46:54,960 It's real important. 965 00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:58,160 [wheezing] All right. 966 00:46:58,250 --> 00:47:01,160 The women in Carrie, the young women, 967 00:47:01,250 --> 00:47:03,950 not only come into this place of power with their sexuality, 968 00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:06,950 but their brains come online with manipulation 969 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:13,830 and using men as tools for the cruelty and the power. 970 00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:17,740 It's kind of a flip of what you encounter a lot in the world. 971 00:47:17,830 --> 00:47:19,440 And when you become an adult, you're 972 00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:22,530 very familiar with the trope of men manipulating young women. 973 00:47:22,570 --> 00:47:25,750 But this kind of off-putting manipulation 974 00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:30,890 of young men by women is disturbing in a unique way. 975 00:47:30,970 --> 00:47:35,650 - Billy, I hate Carrie White. - Who? 976 00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:37,630 Carrie is a nasty story. 977 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:39,900 It's a heartbreaking story. 978 00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:44,200 It's so unfair, but that's what makes it such a lasting horror 979 00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:46,820 movie and why there have been so many remakes because you want 980 00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:49,640 to just put that lightning in a bottle 981 00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:55,000 that unfairness of life when you haven't had a shot and you 982 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,390 haven't been popular and people have misunderstood you 983 00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:58,830 and you finally have a chance to shine. 984 00:47:58,910 --> 00:48:01,000 [ominous music] 985 00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:05,310 And you end up with a bunch of pig blood on your head. 986 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,310 [ominous music] 987 00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:16,150 It's satisfying on one level to see her light up that place. 988 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,280 I never get tired of that scene. 989 00:48:18,370 --> 00:48:19,500 But it's such cost. 990 00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:22,370 [ominous music] 991 00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:32,990 I saw the movie, and then I read the book. 992 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,380 And the book is so good. 993 00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:39,090 I just didn't realize like how, like bad ass 994 00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:42,390 Carrie was because in the movie, she 995 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,570 like does the whole gym thing. 996 00:48:44,610 --> 00:48:47,530 But in the book, she's like messed 997 00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:50,100 up the whole town, like she just... she leaves the gym. 998 00:48:50,180 --> 00:48:52,230 And she's like going just walking home, 999 00:48:52,270 --> 00:48:53,580 just being like blowing everything 1000 00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:55,010 up, burning everything down. 1001 00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:57,190 And there's just so much more details in the book. 1002 00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:01,320 DAVID DASTMALCHIAN: He's such a personal writer. 1003 00:49:01,410 --> 00:49:03,070 There's so much of him in his work. 1004 00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:07,940 It's very hard to transpose that to the screen well. 1005 00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:09,850 So you live in a Stephen King book 1006 00:49:09,940 --> 00:49:12,470 in a way you'll never live in a Stephen King movie, 1007 00:49:12,510 --> 00:49:13,730 in my opinion. 1008 00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:15,900 I just have not had that experience yet. 1009 00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:20,780 [ominous music] 1010 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,050 The Shining is probably the most revered 1011 00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:29,220 King adaptation while also being the adaptation 1012 00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:30,310 he likes the least. 1013 00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:35,400 The Shining is a complete reboot of the book. 1014 00:49:35,490 --> 00:49:37,400 I mean, it's a complete departure. 1015 00:49:37,450 --> 00:49:38,710 It just works. 1016 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,230 And it's great, but it's not the book at all. 1017 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,280 [ominous music] 1018 00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:46,980 I almost don't think of it as a Stephen King movie. 1019 00:49:47,020 --> 00:49:49,370 It's just it's so Stanley Kubrick and Jack 1020 00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:52,460 Nicholson's movie in that way. 1021 00:49:52,510 --> 00:49:56,680 It changed a lot of King's intentions. 1022 00:49:56,730 --> 00:50:00,430 Jack is going to take care of the overlook for us this winter. 1023 00:50:00,470 --> 00:50:02,560 Jack Torrance is kind of him. 1024 00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:04,340 And he related to Jack. 1025 00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:08,040 And Jack was an avatar for his fear 1026 00:50:08,090 --> 00:50:12,570 of being a bad parent, of being an alcoholic, being violent 1027 00:50:12,610 --> 00:50:14,620 or, you know, unhinged... 1028 00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:16,830 [screaming] 1029 00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:21,100 ...and the solitary nature of being a writer. 1030 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,280 But the movie turns Jack into a slasher 1031 00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:29,930 villain in a lot of ways. 1032 00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:32,330 He's not sympathetic even at the beginning. 1033 00:50:32,420 --> 00:50:34,240 ALEJANDRO BRUGUES: I'm not one of those directors 1034 00:50:34,330 --> 00:50:37,860 that dies over Stanley Kubrick. 1035 00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:41,290 I see The Shining, and I see all the bad things 1036 00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:42,730 Stephen King says. 1037 00:50:42,860 --> 00:50:45,080 There's no transition in that character. 1038 00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:47,430 It's only Jack Torrance, Jack Nicholson with his psycho 1039 00:50:47,470 --> 00:50:48,500 face there. 1040 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,650 Here's Johnny. 1041 00:50:49,740 --> 00:50:51,170 [screams] 1042 00:50:51,220 --> 00:50:52,960 And you're like, well, who thought about putting 1043 00:50:53,090 --> 00:50:54,260 this guy in this place? 1044 00:50:54,350 --> 00:50:56,920 But it just... it's just great. 1045 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,070 It's great filmmaking. 1046 00:50:58,090 --> 00:51:00,840 [ominous music] 1047 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,930 Jack gets this power. 1048 00:51:06,010 --> 00:51:08,500 He starts to feel powerful through the course of the film. 1049 00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:11,450 And that leads him to become a killer 1050 00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:13,540 trying to kill his own family. 1051 00:51:13,630 --> 00:51:15,850 Have you ever thought for a single solitary moment 1052 00:51:15,940 --> 00:51:17,940 about my responsibilities to my employers? 1053 00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:20,640 This corrosive self-hatred, I think, 1054 00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,770 is at the core of the film. 1055 00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:25,080 I think it's probably also in the book a little bit, too. 1056 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,690 It's why do we lash out? 1057 00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:28,170 Why do we become violent? 1058 00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:30,430 Why is Jack violent towards his son? 1059 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,690 Why is he violent towards his wife? 1060 00:51:32,820 --> 00:51:34,480 Why is he not successful? 1061 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,570 Why is he miserable? 1062 00:51:35,650 --> 00:51:37,220 Why are all of these things? 1063 00:51:37,350 --> 00:51:42,530 And it comes back to not having any faith or belief in yourself. 1064 00:51:42,570 --> 00:51:45,310 [suspenseful music] 1065 00:51:45,450 --> 00:51:49,710 The Shining has really transcended from just being 1066 00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:54,720 a Stephen King adaptation and become more of like a canon 1067 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,980 of classic film cinema. 1068 00:51:57,020 --> 00:51:59,370 It is considered to be art in itself. 1069 00:51:59,460 --> 00:52:01,070 It is something that is revered, that 1070 00:52:01,110 --> 00:52:05,120 is taught now in film classes. 1071 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,030 TANANARIVE DUE: There's so much iconic imagery... the elevator 1072 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,820 doors with the blood pouring out, 1073 00:52:09,860 --> 00:52:14,300 the twin girls standing in the hallway, the bar. 1074 00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:16,130 Everything looked exactly the way 1075 00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:18,830 I pictured it, except there was this one 1076 00:52:18,910 --> 00:52:21,660 major change from the novel. 1077 00:52:21,740 --> 00:52:27,530 And that is Dick Hallorann who was the Black character who 1078 00:52:27,570 --> 00:52:32,010 survived the novel and literally ends up with an axe in his chest 1079 00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:33,580 as soon as he walks through the door. 1080 00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:36,890 Now from a story standpoint, I get it. 1081 00:52:36,930 --> 00:52:39,890 It's like you want to show this is a dangerous situation. 1082 00:52:39,980 --> 00:52:41,590 You want to surprise the viewer. 1083 00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:44,110 Especially if you read the book, you weren't expecting that. 1084 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,290 And it also raises the stakes for Danny and his mom. 1085 00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:51,770 But it's such a tired trope that sacrificial negro. 1086 00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:56,600 And to take Dick Hallorann and Scatman Crothers who's 1087 00:52:56,690 --> 00:53:00,220 such a legend and lose him that way, 1088 00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:03,390 that's just one thing that just really, really bothers me. 1089 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,220 And I'm so, so glad that Mike Flanagan corrected 1090 00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:11,180 that when he made Doctor Sleep. 1091 00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:16,750 The overlook it was always just pictures to me. 1092 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,100 But I didn't shine like you. 1093 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,930 Nobody shines like you. 1094 00:53:23,020 --> 00:53:26,760 Yes, Doctor Sleep, the beautiful child of two 1095 00:53:26,850 --> 00:53:27,930 divorced parents. 1096 00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:34,860 I'm thinking about my dad. 1097 00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:37,340 TANANARIVE DUE: I was initially surprised at how I was really 1098 00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:40,340 drawn in to this sequel to see what happened 1099 00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:44,430 to Danny as an older man, how the trauma has 1100 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,440 sort of gone through his life. 1101 00:53:46,570 --> 00:53:49,870 That theme of alcoholism is always coming up, 1102 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,660 the alcoholism of Danny's father and the first movie 1103 00:53:52,750 --> 00:53:55,180 and now it's sort of that unhappy curse 1104 00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:57,530 that the son is still carrying. 1105 00:53:57,660 --> 00:54:01,840 Danny, you can't get away. 1106 00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:05,980 There's no more extreme trauma than having your father chase 1107 00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:08,890 you and your mother around with an axe like poor Dan 1108 00:54:08,980 --> 00:54:11,850 did when he was a child. 1109 00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:14,640 So now he's grown, and he is trying so hard 1110 00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:17,290 to rid himself of the psychic infestation 1111 00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:18,470 that has taken over his mind. 1112 00:54:18,510 --> 00:54:21,380 [screaming] 1113 00:54:28,610 --> 00:54:31,610 If he could just cut through the noise, 1114 00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:34,660 maybe he could help end this needless suffering 1115 00:54:34,740 --> 00:54:37,530 that is happening at the hands of these terrifying people. 1116 00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:42,490 Well, hi, there. 1117 00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:46,060 Doctor Sleep, I think, is at least as good as the book. 1118 00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:48,410 The book wasn't what people expected. 1119 00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:53,150 You know, you expect a really claustrophobic 1120 00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,110 ghost story, like The Shining. 1121 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,550 You expect it to be The Shining 2, and it's not. 1122 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,690 With Doctor Sleep, it becomes a sprawling story that 1123 00:55:03,770 --> 00:55:07,430 involves a lot more people. 1124 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,090 I think Mike Flanagan when he fused the Stephen King 1125 00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:15,520 vision and the Kubrick vision, it was walking a razor 1126 00:55:15,570 --> 00:55:17,130 wire between two things. 1127 00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:20,790 And Mike somehow got to a place where both things lived 1128 00:55:20,830 --> 00:55:23,180 in harmony not only simultaneously, 1129 00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:24,320 but they elevated each other. 1130 00:55:27,620 --> 00:55:30,020 If you read the novel, they don't go back to The Overlook. 1131 00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:31,800 The Overlook's burned down. 1132 00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:35,540 And so I think audiences would have been rioting 1133 00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:37,240 if the overlook wasn't there. 1134 00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:39,550 And if you go to The Overlook, obviously you have 1135 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,160 to go to Kubrick's Overlook. 1136 00:55:41,250 --> 00:55:44,340 And so threading that needle took great skill. 1137 00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:51,950 For someone to take the source material that 1138 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,740 comes from Stephen King and then bring 1139 00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:56,350 it into the cinematic realm... 1140 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,480 Go. 1141 00:55:59,610 --> 00:56:02,090 DAVID DASTMALCHIAN:... requires artists of the caliber 1142 00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:08,140 of the Flanagans who can understand tone, theme, 1143 00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:10,970 understand the spirit of the story, 1144 00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:15,540 and know that sometimes breaking it loose of the world in which 1145 00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:18,590 it was constructed within the narrative of the book 1146 00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:22,030 is going to be necessary as well. 1147 00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:28,380 TRACEY SALISBURY: From The Shining to the Dead Zone, 1148 00:56:28,510 --> 00:56:30,470 bad things happen to good people. 1149 00:56:30,510 --> 00:56:34,520 And they have to react to it a particular way. 1150 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,130 And in the end it may be unfair, but that's how it works out. 1151 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,220 And it's always a darkness to him. 1152 00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:46,490 There's something that might be out there. 1153 00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:49,490 And if you leave it to chance, you might find out. 1154 00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:50,970 And that's Stephen King in a nutshell. 1155 00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:53,710 [ominous music] 1156 00:56:56,450 --> 00:57:00,320 JOE HILL: I asked my dad once if he was scared of AI. 1157 00:57:00,370 --> 00:57:03,680 I said, you know, what if people start using AI to pump out 1158 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:05,070 bad Stephen King imitations? 1159 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,460 He said, "People have been pumping out bad Stephen 1160 00:57:06,550 --> 00:57:07,850 King adaptations for 40 years. 1161 00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:09,120 I haven't let it bother me yet." 1162 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,420 [suspenseful music] 1163 00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:17,430 [rumbling] 1164 00:57:32,970 --> 00:57:35,230 [screaming] 1165 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,110 [gasps] 1166 00:57:43,150 --> 00:57:47,070 [snarling] 1167 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,200 The ice is going to break. 1168 00:57:58,170 --> 00:58:00,950 [screaming] 1169 00:58:09,130 --> 00:58:12,700 This is what you're looking for? 1170 00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:14,620 [screaming] 1171 00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:20,880 Great party, isn't it? 1172 00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:25,150 [suspenseful music] 1173 00:58:51,830 --> 00:58:52,680 Thinner. 1174 00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:54,610 [ominous music] 88468

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