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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,931 --> 00:00:15,585 The bodies continue to pile up in Southern California. 2 00:00:15,586 --> 00:00:17,343 The madness has not ended. 3 00:00:17,344 --> 00:00:19,792 I didn't actually feel I was getting the job done because we 4 00:00:19,793 --> 00:00:21,136 were having so many of them. 5 00:00:21,137 --> 00:00:22,895 And just when they thought they'd have something, 6 00:00:22,896 --> 00:00:24,309 another body would show up. 7 00:00:25,793 --> 00:00:27,067 And we're going back and looking at the chart. 8 00:00:27,068 --> 00:00:28,688 We're saying, wait a minute, there 9 00:00:28,689 --> 00:00:30,481 might be a third guy here, because that MO was 10 00:00:30,482 --> 00:00:31,654 even a little bit different. 11 00:00:31,655 --> 00:00:33,481 This guy was picking up marines. 12 00:00:33,482 --> 00:00:36,343 It's like a trilogy of terror with these three guys. 13 00:00:36,344 --> 00:00:39,826 He was the most sadistic out of all of them. 14 00:00:39,827 --> 00:00:42,481 He really liked to torture these people 15 00:00:42,482 --> 00:00:44,619 while they were alive. 16 00:00:44,620 --> 00:00:48,964 He came up with new and imaginative ways 17 00:00:48,965 --> 00:00:51,792 of inflicting pain. 18 00:00:51,793 --> 00:00:55,895 Total psychopath, way beyond being any kind of a sociopath. 19 00:00:55,896 --> 00:00:57,757 Police are confounded. 20 00:00:57,758 --> 00:01:02,171 There seems to be very little that connects these young men. 21 00:01:02,172 --> 00:01:03,723 They didn't know one another. 22 00:01:03,724 --> 00:01:07,964 They weren't even from the same cities or towns. 23 00:01:07,965 --> 00:01:09,412 He was a hunter. 24 00:01:09,413 --> 00:01:10,826 People would hitchhike. 25 00:01:10,827 --> 00:01:12,619 And if he's willing to stop and give them a ride, 26 00:01:12,620 --> 00:01:14,792 that was not something unusual back then either. 27 00:01:14,793 --> 00:01:17,275 A lot of times, it was the drive to their death. 28 00:02:23,206 --> 00:02:24,930 Orange County investigators are 29 00:02:24,931 --> 00:02:27,654 dealing with a possible mass murderer and a list of victims 30 00:02:27,655 --> 00:02:30,274 that continues to get longer. 31 00:02:30,275 --> 00:02:32,033 The most recent victim, however, is 32 00:02:32,034 --> 00:02:33,792 Jeffrey Nelson of Buena Park. 33 00:02:33,793 --> 00:02:35,654 The 18-year-old's body was thrown from 34 00:02:35,655 --> 00:02:37,240 a moving car onto the Garden Grove 35 00:02:37,241 --> 00:02:39,137 freeway last Saturday morning. 36 00:02:52,689 --> 00:02:55,999 1977, Kearney is in prison. 37 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,930 1980, they've got William Bonin, 38 00:02:58,931 --> 00:03:04,309 but the bodies continue to pile up in Southern California. 39 00:03:04,310 --> 00:03:06,620 The madness has not ended. 40 00:03:07,724 --> 00:03:10,757 Once Bonin was convicted, it was a big relief to us. 41 00:03:10,758 --> 00:03:12,033 But there were still cases. 42 00:03:12,034 --> 00:03:13,688 There were still bodies being dropped. 43 00:03:13,689 --> 00:03:15,343 And when going back and looking at the chart, 44 00:03:15,344 --> 00:03:16,861 we're saying, wait a minute, there 45 00:03:16,862 --> 00:03:18,895 might be a third guy here because that MO was 46 00:03:18,896 --> 00:03:20,792 even a little bit different. 47 00:03:20,793 --> 00:03:24,067 This guy was picking up marines hitchhiking. 48 00:03:24,068 --> 00:03:25,723 And there was one case where he had 49 00:03:25,724 --> 00:03:28,895 thrown a marine out of the car, out of a rolling vehicle. 50 00:03:28,896 --> 00:03:30,481 We were aware of these. 51 00:03:30,482 --> 00:03:32,033 They were still contacting us about any young boy 52 00:03:32,034 --> 00:03:35,826 who was murdered anywhere near California. 53 00:03:35,827 --> 00:03:39,826 It's like a trilogy of terror with these three guys. 54 00:03:39,827 --> 00:03:44,585 There was a series of bodies found with what 55 00:03:44,586 --> 00:03:48,274 could be considered anti-gay treatment 56 00:03:48,275 --> 00:03:50,654 of the bodies after death. 57 00:03:50,655 --> 00:03:53,964 There were five or six of them with foreign objects 58 00:03:53,965 --> 00:03:59,067 inserted into them, disgusting graphic behavior 59 00:03:59,068 --> 00:04:00,862 with dead bodies. 60 00:04:01,827 --> 00:04:07,205 They are mutilated, much more so than what we saw 61 00:04:07,206 --> 00:04:09,964 with Kearney or with Bonin. 62 00:04:09,965 --> 00:04:12,343 And it doesn't stop. 63 00:04:12,344 --> 00:04:16,274 It continues more and more and more. 64 00:04:16,275 --> 00:04:19,895 The homicide victims were brutalized, 65 00:04:19,896 --> 00:04:23,516 and that's, like, an understatement. 66 00:04:23,517 --> 00:04:24,999 There were beheadings. 67 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,964 There were ligature marks, torturing. 68 00:04:27,965 --> 00:04:30,033 There was sodomize. 69 00:04:30,034 --> 00:04:33,723 There were victims that had tree branches that 70 00:04:33,724 --> 00:04:38,205 were rammed up inside of the victims, all kinds of evidence 71 00:04:38,206 --> 00:04:41,930 that these people had been, in many cases, 72 00:04:41,931 --> 00:04:47,585 slowly and agonizingly mutilated 73 00:04:47,586 --> 00:04:50,550 before they were murdered and brutalized 74 00:04:50,551 --> 00:04:52,274 further after the fact. 75 00:05:02,448 --> 00:05:04,861 Edward Daniel Moore was a marine, 76 00:05:04,862 --> 00:05:07,964 and that's significant with this killer 77 00:05:07,965 --> 00:05:12,344 because marines were his favorite prey. 78 00:05:14,103 --> 00:05:20,481 He used to troll places like Camp Pendleton, 79 00:05:20,482 --> 00:05:24,516 the El Toro Marine Air Base. 80 00:05:24,517 --> 00:05:26,792 He knew that a good many of them 81 00:05:26,793 --> 00:05:31,343 were young, not well-versed in the ways of the world, 82 00:05:31,344 --> 00:05:36,378 and looking to get drunk and forget about basic training. 83 00:05:36,379 --> 00:05:41,309 They almost uniformly had no transportation 84 00:05:41,310 --> 00:05:45,309 because they were literally fresh off the farm 85 00:05:45,310 --> 00:05:48,654 without a driver's license or a car. 86 00:05:48,655 --> 00:05:52,861 And they wanted to go out and have a good time. 87 00:05:52,862 --> 00:05:58,999 He would go to the main gates of these various military bases 88 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,723 and pick up hitchhikers who wanted to go into town 89 00:06:03,724 --> 00:06:05,654 and get a drink, see a girl. 90 00:06:05,655 --> 00:06:09,378 Moore was the first of many. 91 00:06:13,413 --> 00:06:18,826 What you find out as you look at the details about how they 92 00:06:18,827 --> 00:06:25,654 died, it's the most horrendous thing a detective could ever 93 00:06:25,655 --> 00:06:27,309 experience in a long career. 94 00:06:27,310 --> 00:06:33,412 Nothing can match the sickening descriptions. 95 00:06:33,413 --> 00:06:37,275 He was probably the most sadistic out of all of them. 96 00:06:39,103 --> 00:06:41,930 He really liked to torture these people while they 97 00:06:41,931 --> 00:06:45,792 were alive, cut off their genitals, sometimes 98 00:06:45,793 --> 00:06:48,585 biting their genitals off, taking the cigarette 99 00:06:48,586 --> 00:06:53,688 lighter from a car and burning their eyeballs with it, 100 00:06:53,689 --> 00:06:55,585 mutilating them, cutting them. 101 00:06:55,586 --> 00:06:58,274 And then he would be driving down the highway, 102 00:06:58,275 --> 00:07:01,274 and just toss their body out of the car. 103 00:07:01,275 --> 00:07:04,861 He just looked at these people as pieces of meat. 104 00:07:04,862 --> 00:07:10,999 And then once he was done, he would discard them like trash. 105 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,447 He came up with new and imaginative ways 106 00:07:15,448 --> 00:07:21,654 of inflicting pain, jamming things up people's rectums 107 00:07:21,655 --> 00:07:24,516 and scoring their scrotums, 108 00:07:24,517 --> 00:07:30,067 and splitting their penises and 109 00:07:30,068 --> 00:07:35,378 just the most horrible, awful, despicable things that one 110 00:07:35,379 --> 00:07:37,481 human being can do to another. 111 00:07:37,482 --> 00:07:41,171 Total psychopath, way beyond being any kind of a sociopath. 112 00:07:41,172 --> 00:07:43,550 He didn't care about anything except his own desires 113 00:07:43,551 --> 00:07:45,171 and torturing people. 114 00:07:45,172 --> 00:07:49,274 He got off torturing, horribly torturing these kids. 115 00:07:49,275 --> 00:07:51,585 He was a hunter, and a lot of times 116 00:07:51,586 --> 00:07:55,343 his victims were victims of circumstance. 117 00:07:55,344 --> 00:07:57,619 Sometimes there were accounts that he 118 00:07:57,620 --> 00:07:59,516 befriended these individuals in some 119 00:07:59,517 --> 00:08:02,723 of the local establishments, spent some time with them, 120 00:08:02,724 --> 00:08:05,447 and then convinced them to drive. 121 00:08:05,448 --> 00:08:06,861 People would hitchhike. 122 00:08:06,862 --> 00:08:08,999 And if he's willing to stop and give them a ride, 123 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,205 that was not something unusual back then either. 124 00:08:12,206 --> 00:08:15,068 A lot of times, it was the drive to their death. 125 00:08:22,034 --> 00:08:26,688 Keith Crotwell was there in the parking lot at Ripples. 126 00:08:26,689 --> 00:08:30,412 Ripples was a up-and-coming gay disco, 127 00:08:30,413 --> 00:08:31,516 I guess you would call it. 128 00:08:31,517 --> 00:08:33,102 It was much more than a bar. 129 00:08:33,103 --> 00:08:36,723 But Crotwell went there with a couple of his friends 130 00:08:36,724 --> 00:08:39,931 to see if they could pick up girls. 131 00:08:40,724 --> 00:08:44,757 And then this guy shows up after he's 132 00:08:44,758 --> 00:08:49,964 been circling the parking lot for a while, who had a mustache 133 00:08:49,965 --> 00:08:51,999 and had deep, dark eyes that seemed 134 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:57,930 to look right through you, and says, you guys need some brews. 135 00:08:57,931 --> 00:09:01,274 And of course, they thought that was a great idea. 136 00:09:01,275 --> 00:09:03,930 So he had them hop in his car. 137 00:09:03,931 --> 00:09:05,792 And then took them for a ride 138 00:09:05,793 --> 00:09:09,723 and served up beer that he already had in the cooler 139 00:09:09,724 --> 00:09:11,619 in his back seat. 140 00:09:11,620 --> 00:09:13,516 Seemed very convenient, but, you know, 141 00:09:13,517 --> 00:09:16,619 they were young and dumb, and they didn't pay any attention 142 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:19,102 to any of the danger signals. 143 00:09:19,103 --> 00:09:22,757 And they took the beers, and they drank them. 144 00:09:22,758 --> 00:09:24,550 One of them, after the fact, described to me 145 00:09:24,551 --> 00:09:29,654 how he got deposited out of the car 146 00:09:29,655 --> 00:09:33,826 like he was too small a fish being chucked out 147 00:09:33,827 --> 00:09:37,067 by the fishermen who had a bigger 148 00:09:37,068 --> 00:09:39,033 fish that he was going to fry. 149 00:09:39,034 --> 00:09:44,205 His two buddies, you know, they woke up with hangovers, 150 00:09:44,206 --> 00:09:46,343 and somehow, they got home. 151 00:09:48,482 --> 00:09:51,102 But when they tried to get in touch with Crotwell, 152 00:09:51,103 --> 00:09:54,688 he wasn't home, and nobody knew where he was. 153 00:09:54,689 --> 00:09:58,723 And his parents started to think that he had run away. 154 00:10:00,793 --> 00:10:03,585 Some time later, a father and his boy 155 00:10:03,586 --> 00:10:09,102 were out on one of the jetties at the Long Beach Marina, 156 00:10:09,103 --> 00:10:13,033 and they came across a rotting human skull. 157 00:10:15,689 --> 00:10:17,654 The police showed up. 158 00:10:17,655 --> 00:10:24,343 They bagged the skull and did some testing 159 00:10:24,344 --> 00:10:31,067 and matched it to a headless body that had been found off 160 00:10:31,068 --> 00:10:35,033 of a freeway many miles away from Long Beach 161 00:10:35,034 --> 00:10:37,067 in Orange County. 162 00:10:37,068 --> 00:10:40,792 Turned out, it was Keith Crotwell. 163 00:10:40,793 --> 00:10:45,136 And at least the mystery of his disappearance was solved. 164 00:10:45,137 --> 00:10:49,240 But how his head was separated from his body 165 00:10:49,241 --> 00:10:51,585 went unsolved for quite a while. 166 00:10:56,448 --> 00:10:58,550 They were dropping cases on us left and right. 167 00:10:58,551 --> 00:11:01,757 I mean, it was unbelievable the burden that we had. 168 00:11:01,758 --> 00:11:05,586 And the serial killers were just continuing. 169 00:11:09,103 --> 00:11:10,964 Early on, there was a lot of crossover, 170 00:11:10,965 --> 00:11:15,378 because, obviously, they hadn't identified Bonin or Kearney. 171 00:11:15,379 --> 00:11:17,654 They just knew that they had a bunch of victims. 172 00:11:17,655 --> 00:11:20,240 And then within those victim profiles, 173 00:11:20,241 --> 00:11:23,067 there were certain differences among those victims, 174 00:11:23,068 --> 00:11:25,689 primarily in the way they were killed. 175 00:11:27,241 --> 00:11:29,792 One of the big things that they focused on 176 00:11:29,793 --> 00:11:33,067 was the alcohol and diazepam overdose. 177 00:11:33,068 --> 00:11:35,895 There were also things about victims being emasculated 178 00:11:35,896 --> 00:11:39,930 and also victims being dumped on the side of freeways. 179 00:11:42,517 --> 00:11:46,654 Whoever was doing that, the suspicion 180 00:11:46,655 --> 00:11:51,067 was they had been exposed to some military training. 181 00:11:51,068 --> 00:11:55,585 A couple of techniques that were used of putting paper 182 00:11:55,586 --> 00:11:59,136 in the nostrils, that would be done 183 00:11:59,137 --> 00:12:04,205 to keep liquids from expelling out of the nostrils 184 00:12:04,206 --> 00:12:05,723 after death. 185 00:12:05,724 --> 00:12:07,861 When you're hauling the body away to dump it, 186 00:12:07,862 --> 00:12:10,723 it doesn't mess up your car or your van. 187 00:12:10,724 --> 00:12:14,619 Another thing, using a sock, stuffing it into the rectum 188 00:12:14,620 --> 00:12:17,826 in order to prevent the corpse 189 00:12:17,827 --> 00:12:22,102 from expelling fluids that way. 190 00:12:22,103 --> 00:12:25,033 And that was an important clue that they had to go on. 191 00:12:33,344 --> 00:12:34,999 I didn't actually feel I was 192 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,310 getting the job done because we were having so many of them. 193 00:12:39,172 --> 00:12:41,688 And I think everybody involved realized 194 00:12:41,689 --> 00:12:44,999 that we had six investigators working on this thing 16 hours 195 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,447 a day. 196 00:12:46,448 --> 00:12:47,861 And just when they thought they'd have something, 197 00:12:47,862 --> 00:12:50,137 another body would show up. 198 00:13:00,931 --> 00:13:05,861 Mark Hall went out partying on New Year's with his friends. 199 00:13:05,862 --> 00:13:08,309 Everybody got drunk, and everybody 200 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:11,516 half remembered what happened. 201 00:13:11,517 --> 00:13:13,757 The bottom line was the next day, 202 00:13:13,758 --> 00:13:16,171 Mark Hall was among the missing, 203 00:13:16,172 --> 00:13:20,826 and the friends had no idea what happened to him. 204 00:13:20,827 --> 00:13:23,481 Only several days later did they 205 00:13:23,482 --> 00:13:27,585 learn that he had been murdered 206 00:13:27,586 --> 00:13:31,378 and his horribly mutilated body was 207 00:13:31,379 --> 00:13:36,585 left in a relatively remote part of Southern Orange County. 208 00:13:39,896 --> 00:13:43,102 Police are confounded by this because there 209 00:13:43,103 --> 00:13:47,688 seems to be very little that connects these young men. 210 00:13:47,689 --> 00:13:49,274 They didn't know one another. 211 00:13:49,275 --> 00:13:52,619 They weren't even from the same cities or towns. 212 00:13:52,620 --> 00:13:54,102 And what was the link? 213 00:13:54,103 --> 00:13:56,136 What was the factor, the X factor, 214 00:13:56,137 --> 00:13:59,827 that would make it possible to find out who was doing this? 215 00:14:01,931 --> 00:14:04,654 Nobody knew where to turn. 216 00:14:13,793 --> 00:14:16,309 The CHP, the California Highway Patrol, 217 00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:20,550 they were patrolling the 5 freeway down by Mission Viejo 218 00:14:20,551 --> 00:14:23,930 in Orange County, and there was a sergeant 219 00:14:23,931 --> 00:14:28,274 and his officer in a car because there 220 00:14:28,275 --> 00:14:29,343 wasn't much happening. 221 00:14:29,344 --> 00:14:31,171 It was kind of a slow night. 222 00:14:31,172 --> 00:14:32,930 And they see this car weaving. 223 00:14:32,931 --> 00:14:36,516 It's starting to weave from lane to lane. 224 00:14:36,517 --> 00:14:37,654 What's going on? 225 00:14:37,655 --> 00:14:40,481 Well, it could be a DUI. 226 00:14:40,482 --> 00:14:42,205 He was driving a little bit slower 227 00:14:42,206 --> 00:14:43,516 than the posted speed limit. 228 00:14:43,517 --> 00:14:45,861 He was weaving in and out of his lanes. 229 00:14:45,862 --> 00:14:47,826 He was kind of driving on the right shoulder, 230 00:14:47,827 --> 00:14:50,999 so they thought that this individual was intoxicated, 231 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,309 so they initiated a traffic stop. 232 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:56,309 Initially, he did not stop. 233 00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:57,688 He kept driving. 234 00:14:57,689 --> 00:15:00,757 They shined the light in the back of the car. 235 00:15:00,758 --> 00:15:03,136 They can see the driver moving around 236 00:15:03,137 --> 00:15:05,412 inside the vehicle, which, again, raises 237 00:15:05,413 --> 00:15:07,171 the officers' suspicions. 238 00:15:07,172 --> 00:15:11,447 But he eventually pulls over to the right shoulder and stops. 239 00:15:12,862 --> 00:15:14,274 Once he stops, he gets out of the car 240 00:15:14,275 --> 00:15:18,757 and comes back and approaches the officers on foot. 241 00:15:18,758 --> 00:15:22,412 Based on my experience, that, again, is also suspicious, 242 00:15:22,413 --> 00:15:24,067 because one of two things. 243 00:15:24,068 --> 00:15:26,999 Most people don't approach officers at a stop. 244 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,826 And number two, the way my brain works 245 00:15:28,827 --> 00:15:31,378 is there's something in the car that he doesn't want me to see, 246 00:15:31,379 --> 00:15:35,205 so he's distracting my attention away from the car. 247 00:15:35,206 --> 00:15:39,826 These two officers do their DUI investigation. 248 00:15:39,827 --> 00:15:42,171 He takes him to the side of the highway. 249 00:15:42,172 --> 00:15:46,585 And he's saying, wait, have you been drinking? 250 00:15:46,586 --> 00:15:48,067 Uh, I only had two drinks. 251 00:15:48,068 --> 00:15:49,688 I only had two drinks. 252 00:15:49,689 --> 00:15:52,274 Well, we want to check you out and see. 253 00:15:52,275 --> 00:15:54,136 And they give him the field sobriety test. 254 00:15:54,137 --> 00:15:55,136 He's not passing it. 255 00:15:55,137 --> 00:15:56,964 He's having difficulty. 256 00:15:56,965 --> 00:15:58,343 He's slurring his speech. 257 00:15:58,344 --> 00:15:59,481 He's stumbling. 258 00:15:59,482 --> 00:16:01,171 He can't do finger to nose. 259 00:16:01,172 --> 00:16:03,550 They make the determination that the driver 260 00:16:03,551 --> 00:16:06,481 is under the influence of an intoxicating substance. 261 00:16:06,482 --> 00:16:09,274 They place him under arrest and put him in the back seat 262 00:16:09,275 --> 00:16:10,343 of their patrol car. 263 00:16:11,758 --> 00:16:15,895 The passenger officer goes up to check on the car. 264 00:16:15,896 --> 00:16:18,792 They notice an individual sitting on the passenger 265 00:16:18,793 --> 00:16:20,895 seat of that car. 266 00:16:20,896 --> 00:16:23,067 Initially, the officer thinks that he's 267 00:16:23,068 --> 00:16:24,723 either passed out or asleep. 268 00:16:24,724 --> 00:16:28,861 He tries to rouse him to see what his story is. 269 00:16:28,862 --> 00:16:31,516 Perhaps he can, you know, drive the car away, 270 00:16:31,517 --> 00:16:33,826 but that passenger is unresponsive. 271 00:16:36,275 --> 00:16:38,757 So one of the two officers went over 272 00:16:38,758 --> 00:16:41,516 to the passenger side, opened the door, 273 00:16:41,517 --> 00:16:44,516 and the fellow fell over. 274 00:16:46,241 --> 00:16:49,412 The officer steps in there and kind of shakes the guy. 275 00:16:49,413 --> 00:16:50,619 The guy doesn't move. 276 00:16:50,620 --> 00:16:53,895 And then he takes a pulse. 277 00:16:53,896 --> 00:16:55,378 It's cold. 278 00:16:55,379 --> 00:16:58,481 And then all of a sudden, he opens the door. 279 00:16:58,482 --> 00:17:02,274 And there it is, the guy is exposed, his genitals showing. 280 00:17:03,517 --> 00:17:05,757 His hands are secured behind him. 281 00:17:05,758 --> 00:17:07,378 And he looks a little closer, and 282 00:17:07,379 --> 00:17:10,585 it looks to be some ligature marks around his neck. 283 00:17:12,482 --> 00:17:15,550 They were his shoelaces that had 284 00:17:15,551 --> 00:17:17,930 been tied around his wrists, and 285 00:17:17,931 --> 00:17:22,067 that he'd probably been strangled with a belt. 286 00:17:22,068 --> 00:17:26,412 He was a tall fellow, and turned out 287 00:17:26,413 --> 00:17:29,826 that he was a marine who had been 288 00:17:29,827 --> 00:17:32,654 stationed at nearby Camp Pendleton 289 00:17:32,655 --> 00:17:33,999 in Southern Orange County. 290 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,102 They called EMTs, and they showed up and 291 00:17:38,103 --> 00:17:42,826 transported the victim to the nearest hospital, 292 00:17:42,827 --> 00:17:48,068 but they determined that he was pretty much dead on arrival. 293 00:17:49,862 --> 00:17:52,861 This was just supposed to be a DUI stop, 294 00:17:52,862 --> 00:17:55,171 an easy traffic stop. 295 00:17:55,172 --> 00:17:56,723 Now they're going to have to call the homicide detectives. 296 00:17:56,724 --> 00:17:59,826 There's a dead body in the car. 297 00:17:59,827 --> 00:18:01,654 His story was that he just picked 298 00:18:01,655 --> 00:18:04,688 up this individual hitchhiking on the side of the road. 299 00:18:04,689 --> 00:18:08,067 And perhaps he had some sort of medical emergency. 300 00:18:08,068 --> 00:18:11,033 Perhaps he ingested some sort of substance 301 00:18:11,034 --> 00:18:13,136 that led to his death. 302 00:18:13,137 --> 00:18:15,930 The driver of the car was arrested 303 00:18:15,931 --> 00:18:19,619 for suspected homicide. 304 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:21,792 That is not the end of the story. 305 00:18:26,482 --> 00:18:28,205 They identified the driver through 306 00:18:28,206 --> 00:18:29,895 his California identification. 307 00:18:29,896 --> 00:18:35,516 And at the time, he had a limited criminal history. 308 00:18:37,896 --> 00:18:42,826 He had some arrests for solicitation in Long Beach. 309 00:18:44,344 --> 00:18:47,378 The driver turned out to be a computer repairman 310 00:18:47,379 --> 00:18:51,102 named Randy Steven Kraft. 311 00:18:51,103 --> 00:18:53,033 They called the homicide detectives 312 00:18:53,034 --> 00:18:54,826 because there was a dead body there, 313 00:18:54,827 --> 00:18:58,205 and eventually, they searched the car. 314 00:18:58,206 --> 00:19:02,619 When they went into the trunk, they found a piece of paper. 315 00:19:02,620 --> 00:19:04,619 And it had all these names abbreviated, 316 00:19:04,620 --> 00:19:06,585 and they went down. 317 00:19:06,586 --> 00:19:08,136 The first one was Stable. 318 00:19:08,137 --> 00:19:12,930 It turned out that was where Randy Kraft would pick up. 319 00:19:12,931 --> 00:19:14,723 That was one of the gay bars. 320 00:19:14,724 --> 00:19:18,378 And you go down, it would say the name of where 321 00:19:18,379 --> 00:19:21,343 the person was picked up or some characteristic 322 00:19:21,344 --> 00:19:23,067 of that person all the way down, 323 00:19:23,068 --> 00:19:26,861 but it talked about other places like Portland, Oregon. 324 00:19:26,862 --> 00:19:28,619 It talked about Michigan. 325 00:19:28,620 --> 00:19:30,240 One thing leads to another. 326 00:19:30,241 --> 00:19:33,033 And they think that Kraft might have been responsible 327 00:19:33,034 --> 00:19:34,550 for, like, 67 murders. 328 00:19:44,275 --> 00:19:50,378 Randy Kraft was born in 1945, grew up in Southern California. 329 00:19:50,379 --> 00:19:53,826 His parents had moved out here at the beginning 330 00:19:53,827 --> 00:19:57,654 of World War II to work in the defense industry, his father 331 00:19:57,655 --> 00:20:00,343 for an aircraft maker. 332 00:20:00,344 --> 00:20:02,826 He had three older sisters who were 333 00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:05,516 substantially older than him. 334 00:20:05,517 --> 00:20:10,999 He was doted upon because he was the only boy in the family. 335 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,309 And all three of his sisters and his mother 336 00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:16,964 treated him with deference. 337 00:20:16,965 --> 00:20:18,481 He was the little prince. 338 00:20:18,482 --> 00:20:24,447 But there was this dark aspect of his early upbringing. 339 00:20:25,586 --> 00:20:28,274 His father liked to drink, and he 340 00:20:28,275 --> 00:20:30,619 would have this personality change 341 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:32,723 and go into rages at times. 342 00:20:32,724 --> 00:20:36,240 There are a couple of bits of evidence in-- 343 00:20:36,241 --> 00:20:39,102 when Randy was a baby. 344 00:20:39,103 --> 00:20:41,826 He supposedly fell down the stairs 345 00:20:41,827 --> 00:20:47,136 and broke his collarbone when he was a toddler. 346 00:20:47,137 --> 00:20:51,309 Breaking a baby's collarbone with a fall 347 00:20:51,310 --> 00:20:54,274 is pretty damn difficult. 348 00:20:54,275 --> 00:20:56,654 I mean, babies don't just fall and 349 00:20:56,655 --> 00:21:02,447 break a bone the way that an alte kocker like myself does. 350 00:21:02,448 --> 00:21:04,999 Their bones are elastic, so the fact 351 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,826 that he would have a broken collarbone 352 00:21:09,827 --> 00:21:12,930 would cast suspicion on him right off the bat. 353 00:21:12,931 --> 00:21:16,516 And then there was a second incident when he, again, 354 00:21:16,517 --> 00:21:20,757 suffered a fall and passed out and had to be taken 355 00:21:20,758 --> 00:21:24,274 to a health clinic nearby. 356 00:21:24,275 --> 00:21:26,930 Both of these are incidents when he was a baby, 357 00:21:26,931 --> 00:21:30,895 and the obvious culprit would be his father. 358 00:21:30,896 --> 00:21:34,999 I haven't been able to ever get anyone to confirm that. 359 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,343 The closest that any of the three sisters came to saying it 360 00:21:37,344 --> 00:21:42,757 was the middle sister, Doris, who told me that, yeah, Dad 361 00:21:42,758 --> 00:21:45,343 could really put them away. 362 00:21:45,344 --> 00:21:48,826 And when he did, he was completely unpredictable. 363 00:21:58,586 --> 00:22:01,550 Randy grew up in the 1950s, identified as a conservative, 364 00:22:01,551 --> 00:22:05,550 a Republican, as a young man, had said, 365 00:22:05,551 --> 00:22:08,516 I want someday to be in politics, perhaps a US Senator. 366 00:22:08,517 --> 00:22:11,343 That's what he was thinking in the '50s. 367 00:22:11,344 --> 00:22:16,688 In 1964, he was involved in politics as a 19-year-old. 368 00:22:16,689 --> 00:22:19,136 He actually helped campaign as a volunteer 369 00:22:19,137 --> 00:22:22,481 for the Republican presidential nominee, 370 00:22:22,482 --> 00:22:25,585 Senator Barry Goldwater. 371 00:22:25,586 --> 00:22:27,999 But then as he got a little older, 372 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,964 his political views started changing. 373 00:22:29,965 --> 00:22:33,516 He no longer reflected his parents' views. 374 00:22:33,517 --> 00:22:36,447 He went off to college, Claremont College, 375 00:22:36,448 --> 00:22:38,516 where he joined the ROTC. 376 00:22:38,517 --> 00:22:41,757 And he became a little bit, if you will, 377 00:22:41,758 --> 00:22:45,343 more progressive or more liberal, 378 00:22:45,344 --> 00:22:48,102 adopting political views and cultural 379 00:22:48,103 --> 00:22:50,309 views that were more common among 380 00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:52,999 college students in the 1960s. 381 00:22:59,758 --> 00:23:02,516 He joined the US Air Force and was 382 00:23:02,517 --> 00:23:05,447 assigned to Edwards Air Force Base, which is just 383 00:23:05,448 --> 00:23:07,620 north of Los Angeles County. 384 00:23:09,413 --> 00:23:11,964 He painted aircraft, supervised, later 385 00:23:11,965 --> 00:23:13,826 became an airman first class. 386 00:23:13,827 --> 00:23:18,550 So he had a good Air Force career going. 387 00:23:18,551 --> 00:23:21,826 Kraft had hinted to his parents that he was gay. 388 00:23:21,827 --> 00:23:24,964 He would bring his male friends over to the house to meet them, 389 00:23:24,965 --> 00:23:28,481 but they didn't quite seem to pick up on it until finally 390 00:23:28,482 --> 00:23:32,688 he came out and said, I'm gay. 391 00:23:32,689 --> 00:23:34,688 His father didn't take it very well, 392 00:23:34,689 --> 00:23:38,205 his mother, somewhat more understanding. 393 00:23:38,206 --> 00:23:40,481 It's also a confession, if you will, 394 00:23:40,482 --> 00:23:43,205 that he made to the military, to his supervisor 395 00:23:43,206 --> 00:23:46,033 at Edwards Air Force Base. 396 00:23:46,034 --> 00:23:51,205 If, in the '60s or the '70s, the military found out, 397 00:23:51,206 --> 00:23:54,930 especially you telling them that you were gay, 398 00:23:54,931 --> 00:23:56,240 they would kick you out. 399 00:23:56,241 --> 00:23:57,792 They didn't want you. 400 00:23:57,793 --> 00:24:01,309 So they initiated a general discharge for him 401 00:24:01,310 --> 00:24:05,067 for medical reasons, almost as if Kraft had lost a leg or 402 00:24:05,068 --> 00:24:08,412 something, that he wasn't fit, not needed in the military 403 00:24:08,413 --> 00:24:12,137 anymore, and that ended his military career. 404 00:24:13,517 --> 00:24:16,585 Kraft returns home to his parents' house 405 00:24:16,586 --> 00:24:21,343 and starts doing a variety of jobs, including bartending, 406 00:24:21,344 --> 00:24:24,654 working at gay bars, working for a swimwear company, 407 00:24:24,655 --> 00:24:26,378 working for a water company. 408 00:24:26,379 --> 00:24:29,757 He goes back to school and brushes up 409 00:24:29,758 --> 00:24:33,516 his education résumé studying education. 410 00:24:33,517 --> 00:24:35,999 He was an aspiring computer programmer, 411 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,585 which, given the early '80s, was an up-and-coming field. 412 00:24:38,586 --> 00:24:43,205 He worked for a couple different companies 413 00:24:43,206 --> 00:24:45,861 and then worked as an independent contractor 414 00:24:45,862 --> 00:24:47,930 as well to do computer programming 415 00:24:47,931 --> 00:24:50,757 for these institutions. 416 00:24:50,758 --> 00:24:54,447 He was living a homosexual lifestyle in Long Beach. 417 00:24:54,448 --> 00:24:58,861 He had a significant other that he lived with in Long Beach. 418 00:24:58,862 --> 00:25:03,516 They had an "on again, off again" relationship. 419 00:25:03,517 --> 00:25:05,171 But there was a dark side to what 420 00:25:05,172 --> 00:25:08,723 Kraft was doing in his years after the military. 421 00:25:08,724 --> 00:25:12,274 He was cruising the roads of Southern California, 422 00:25:12,275 --> 00:25:15,585 going to gay bars, picking up young men, 423 00:25:15,586 --> 00:25:18,654 drugging them with drugs and alcohol, 424 00:25:18,655 --> 00:25:21,067 sodomizing and killing them. 425 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,516 Now, Randy's past victims were older, 426 00:25:27,517 --> 00:25:30,274 like, say, they were marines, so they were a little bit 427 00:25:30,275 --> 00:25:32,205 harder to control. 428 00:25:32,206 --> 00:25:34,895 But he was using drugs and stuff 429 00:25:34,896 --> 00:25:36,792 of that nature to knock them out and then 430 00:25:36,793 --> 00:25:39,205 strangle them and kill them. 431 00:25:39,206 --> 00:25:43,826 Kraft began experimenting with pharmaceuticals early 432 00:25:43,827 --> 00:25:47,723 on, as early as his college days, 433 00:25:47,724 --> 00:25:50,481 on his own girlfriend at the time, 434 00:25:50,482 --> 00:25:53,171 because he did have a girlfriend at one time, 435 00:25:53,172 --> 00:25:56,757 and then later on, his so-called friends. 436 00:25:56,758 --> 00:26:01,619 He tried it out on them to see-- 437 00:26:01,620 --> 00:26:03,171 they were his guinea pigs-- 438 00:26:03,172 --> 00:26:04,757 to see how they would react. 439 00:26:04,758 --> 00:26:10,240 Over time, he kind of perfected it. 440 00:26:10,241 --> 00:26:14,757 Kraft was genuinely a classic sadist. 441 00:26:14,758 --> 00:26:17,171 He had to keep his victims alive. 442 00:26:17,172 --> 00:26:22,688 And he learned over time how to dose them 443 00:26:22,689 --> 00:26:28,412 so that he could keep them alive but under his control, 444 00:26:28,413 --> 00:26:30,516 literally, for days. 445 00:26:32,758 --> 00:26:35,895 That's what we were dealing with back in the day. 446 00:26:35,896 --> 00:26:38,723 It was surreal. 447 00:26:38,724 --> 00:26:41,309 There was one marine victim who 448 00:26:41,310 --> 00:26:44,516 he took a lot of pictures of, Polaroid shots, 449 00:26:44,517 --> 00:26:49,343 who probably had been alive for the better part of a week. 450 00:26:49,344 --> 00:26:54,654 And--and he, you know, he just kept 451 00:26:54,655 --> 00:27:00,136 dosing him with exactly the right amount of medication 452 00:27:00,137 --> 00:27:04,206 because he wanted to, you know, hear the screams, I guess. 453 00:27:06,241 --> 00:27:08,895 Kraft was a monster. 454 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,171 One who survived Kraft was a biker 455 00:27:18,172 --> 00:27:22,930 named Joey Fancher, one of Kraft's earliest 456 00:27:22,931 --> 00:27:25,274 would-be victims. 457 00:27:25,275 --> 00:27:29,481 He was a 12- or 13-year-old skateboarder 458 00:27:29,482 --> 00:27:31,688 in Huntington Beach. 459 00:27:31,689 --> 00:27:34,136 He cut class on a regular basis. 460 00:27:34,137 --> 00:27:37,654 And he'd go down to the pier in Huntington Beach. 461 00:27:38,655 --> 00:27:39,861 And he met this guy. 462 00:27:39,862 --> 00:27:41,412 He talked a good line. 463 00:27:41,413 --> 00:27:45,999 And he had lured Fancher to his hotel room, I guess, 464 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,826 on the promise of beer. 465 00:27:47,827 --> 00:27:51,171 He gave him something to drink. 466 00:27:51,172 --> 00:27:57,274 And the next thing Fancher knew, he awakened in his bed. 467 00:27:57,275 --> 00:28:03,343 His pants were down, and he was exposed. 468 00:28:03,344 --> 00:28:07,930 There was nobody there, but it was getting dark. 469 00:28:07,931 --> 00:28:11,688 And obviously, he'd been out for several hours. 470 00:28:11,689 --> 00:28:16,275 He got up and got the hell out of there and went home. 471 00:28:18,172 --> 00:28:20,240 The police did investigate. 472 00:28:20,241 --> 00:28:23,723 They did find all these prescription 473 00:28:23,724 --> 00:28:27,619 drugs in his possession, but they 474 00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:29,171 never did anything about it. 475 00:28:29,172 --> 00:28:35,378 He wasn't charged, and Fancher got his first taste 476 00:28:35,379 --> 00:28:39,964 of Southern California justice by doing the right thing 477 00:28:39,965 --> 00:28:41,550 and telling his parents and then seeing nothing 478 00:28:41,551 --> 00:28:45,964 happen as a direct result of his shining 479 00:28:45,965 --> 00:28:48,481 a light on this pervert. 480 00:28:55,862 --> 00:29:00,274 Crotwell was the case wherein, ultimately, two 481 00:29:00,275 --> 00:29:06,757 of Long Beach's finest had enough circumstantial evidence 482 00:29:06,758 --> 00:29:09,585 in terms of Kraft having been spotted 483 00:29:09,586 --> 00:29:14,999 in the vicinity of the body, not the head, but the body. 484 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,516 He had been seen leaving the parking lot at Ripples 485 00:29:19,517 --> 00:29:22,861 in his car that evening. 486 00:29:22,862 --> 00:29:25,964 It ultimately brought two homicide detectives 487 00:29:25,965 --> 00:29:28,136 to his front door, and they wanted 488 00:29:28,137 --> 00:29:30,136 him to come down to headquarters 489 00:29:30,137 --> 00:29:34,964 and submit to questioning. 490 00:29:34,965 --> 00:29:36,585 And Kraft did so. 491 00:29:36,586 --> 00:29:41,171 He went to the Long Beach Police Department, 492 00:29:41,172 --> 00:29:44,964 went into the classic little interrogation 493 00:29:44,965 --> 00:29:48,585 room with these two cops who were recording the whole thing. 494 00:29:48,586 --> 00:29:53,343 He managed, over the period of an hour or so, 495 00:29:53,344 --> 00:29:56,412 to dance around most of their pointed questions 496 00:29:56,413 --> 00:30:00,688 and point out that he had car trouble 497 00:30:00,689 --> 00:30:04,688 and he needed help from his roommate. 498 00:30:04,689 --> 00:30:11,274 And he walked away from his car because it 499 00:30:11,275 --> 00:30:13,102 had gotten stuck in the sand. 500 00:30:13,103 --> 00:30:15,309 And that was all just coincidental 501 00:30:15,310 --> 00:30:17,585 that he happened to be around when 502 00:30:17,586 --> 00:30:21,309 whoever it was that killed this poor unfortunate 503 00:30:21,310 --> 00:30:27,619 had left the body just a few yards away. 504 00:30:27,620 --> 00:30:32,481 You would think that the cops would follow up on that. 505 00:30:32,482 --> 00:30:34,757 But there's no evidence that the cops 506 00:30:34,758 --> 00:30:36,550 did anything further on that. 507 00:30:36,551 --> 00:30:40,343 They just made the judgment call that, yeah, he 508 00:30:40,344 --> 00:30:43,102 was this friendly computer techie, 509 00:30:43,103 --> 00:30:45,757 and he just happened to be in the proximity 510 00:30:45,758 --> 00:30:51,688 of this freeway killer victim. 511 00:30:51,689 --> 00:30:55,757 It was yet another example of Randy Kraft literally 512 00:30:55,758 --> 00:30:58,413 getting away with murder. 513 00:31:04,103 --> 00:31:08,102 One of the things that highlighted Randy Kraft was 514 00:31:08,103 --> 00:31:09,723 he was known as The Scorecard Killer. 515 00:31:09,724 --> 00:31:13,274 And during his search of that Toyota after his arrest, 516 00:31:13,275 --> 00:31:15,481 they found what they believed to be an encrypted list 517 00:31:15,482 --> 00:31:18,516 of potential victims. 518 00:31:18,517 --> 00:31:22,964 The scorecard, which was a sheet of notebook paper 519 00:31:22,965 --> 00:31:25,757 that looked like it might have been bloodstained, some 520 00:31:25,758 --> 00:31:28,309 of them were relatively obvious, 521 00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:32,619 like Edward Daniel Moore, because it was EDM. 522 00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:34,757 That was easy for law enforcement 523 00:31:34,758 --> 00:31:37,826 to connect to a body. 524 00:31:37,827 --> 00:31:43,550 Crotwell was equated with the term, parking lot. 525 00:31:43,551 --> 00:31:47,585 They were memory triggers to relive 526 00:31:47,586 --> 00:31:51,895 the experience of each murder. 527 00:31:54,758 --> 00:31:57,999 Kraft took impeccable notes. 528 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,826 It was almost like a--like a highway of what he did. 529 00:32:01,827 --> 00:32:04,033 But you go down that list, and 530 00:32:04,034 --> 00:32:08,792 there are a lot of entries that are easily connected to murder 531 00:32:08,793 --> 00:32:12,205 victims, but there are a good many that remain 532 00:32:12,206 --> 00:32:14,793 anybody's guess to this day. 533 00:32:16,448 --> 00:32:21,757 In 2016, I was assigned to the Orange County Cold Case 534 00:32:21,758 --> 00:32:24,378 Homicide Task Force, which, at that time, 535 00:32:24,379 --> 00:32:28,067 was an entity that was run by the District Attorney's Office. 536 00:32:28,068 --> 00:32:32,378 And it was a multi-agency entity that worked primarily 537 00:32:32,379 --> 00:32:34,792 on solving cold cases. 538 00:32:34,793 --> 00:32:37,481 One of the individuals on that list 539 00:32:37,482 --> 00:32:42,343 was a John Doe for our agency from 1974. 540 00:32:42,344 --> 00:32:44,585 The thing about that individual is 541 00:32:44,586 --> 00:32:50,240 that his naked body was tossed off a fire break, which 542 00:32:50,241 --> 00:32:54,171 would have been rural Southern Orange County back in 1974, 543 00:32:54,172 --> 00:32:56,585 and that there were tire tracks along the side 544 00:32:56,586 --> 00:32:58,240 of this fire break. 545 00:32:58,241 --> 00:33:00,723 And by all indications, it looked like this person had 546 00:33:00,724 --> 00:33:02,585 been dumped off the freeway. 547 00:33:02,586 --> 00:33:07,136 However, at that time, in 1974, his death 548 00:33:07,137 --> 00:33:10,240 was ruled accidental due to alcohol and 549 00:33:10,241 --> 00:33:12,481 diazepam intoxication. 550 00:33:12,482 --> 00:33:16,033 It had only been five or six days, 551 00:33:16,034 --> 00:33:19,964 so, unfortunately, it was difficult to determine 552 00:33:19,965 --> 00:33:22,964 whether he had been strangled or not, just 553 00:33:22,965 --> 00:33:26,309 based on the condition of, for lack of a better term, 554 00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:28,033 the flesh. 555 00:33:28,034 --> 00:33:30,792 But they were still able to do toxicological examination. 556 00:33:30,793 --> 00:33:34,033 So fast-forward to 1983, and all these bodies 557 00:33:34,034 --> 00:33:36,964 are coming through Orange County and jurisdictions 558 00:33:36,965 --> 00:33:40,205 with that same characteristic, they 559 00:33:40,206 --> 00:33:43,550 reopened that investigation to say, hey, this victim 560 00:33:43,551 --> 00:33:46,067 may be a victim of Randy Kraft. 561 00:33:48,896 --> 00:33:52,550 My work in that detail, I learned 562 00:33:52,551 --> 00:33:55,067 how to do investigative genetic genealogy, 563 00:33:55,068 --> 00:33:59,481 which is using familial DNA to identify these individuals. 564 00:33:59,482 --> 00:34:04,930 So in late 2022, we submitted a forensic specimen 565 00:34:04,931 --> 00:34:08,067 for this 1974 John Doe to a private lab 566 00:34:08,068 --> 00:34:12,171 to do DNA processing in hopes of getting him identified. 567 00:34:12,172 --> 00:34:14,516 And over the course of the next 10 months, 568 00:34:14,517 --> 00:34:18,275 we successfully identified him as Michael Schlicht. 569 00:34:19,620 --> 00:34:22,585 His mom was still alive, so we went out and 570 00:34:22,586 --> 00:34:24,619 interviewed mom and a sister. 571 00:34:24,620 --> 00:34:27,999 And the last they'd ever heard from Michael 572 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,481 was he was hitchhiking to California 573 00:34:31,482 --> 00:34:33,171 from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. 574 00:34:33,172 --> 00:34:38,309 And coincidentally, on Kraft's scorecard is an entry for Iowa. 575 00:34:50,103 --> 00:34:51,619 Meanwhile, they impound the car. 576 00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:55,723 They find all sorts of forensic evidence within the car. 577 00:34:55,724 --> 00:34:57,102 And it was a short time after that that they started 578 00:34:57,103 --> 00:35:01,447 putting together all the evidence against this guy, 579 00:35:01,448 --> 00:35:05,757 and they found literally a drawer full of pictures 580 00:35:05,758 --> 00:35:10,447 of men looking like they were asleep in an apartment 581 00:35:10,448 --> 00:35:12,861 somewhere, and they were all dead. 582 00:35:12,862 --> 00:35:13,757 He had photographed them after he had 583 00:35:13,758 --> 00:35:17,067 drugged them and killed them. 584 00:35:17,068 --> 00:35:18,826 He would dismember bodies. 585 00:35:18,827 --> 00:35:24,136 They found jars of testicles for him and the pictures. 586 00:35:24,137 --> 00:35:29,309 They realize he is the last of the freeway killers. 587 00:35:35,310 --> 00:35:37,654 After some 350 personal interviews 588 00:35:37,655 --> 00:35:39,412 with people who knew Randy Kraft and 589 00:35:39,413 --> 00:35:42,516 several searches of Kraft's car and Long Beach residents, 590 00:35:42,517 --> 00:35:44,067 Orange County Sheriff Brad Gates 591 00:35:44,068 --> 00:35:46,619 says he now has a wealth of information on the man accused 592 00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:48,964 in the strangulation deaths of six young men 593 00:35:48,965 --> 00:35:52,067 and now a suspect in at least 10 more murders. 594 00:35:52,068 --> 00:35:55,205 Kraft has already been accused of killing Geoffrey Nelson, 595 00:35:55,206 --> 00:35:59,067 Wyatt Loggins, Roger Duvall Jr., 596 00:35:59,068 --> 00:36:03,412 Mark Hall, Terry Gambrel, and Eric Church. 597 00:36:03,413 --> 00:36:05,826 Then there's 25-year-old Michael Lane. 598 00:36:05,827 --> 00:36:08,033 His picture was found at Kraft's residence, 599 00:36:08,034 --> 00:36:09,723 but it's unknown if he's alive or 600 00:36:09,724 --> 00:36:14,412 dead, the same for these men, all believed to be marines. 601 00:36:14,413 --> 00:36:17,654 Meantime, Randy Kraft, who remains in jail without bail, 602 00:36:17,655 --> 00:36:19,309 is awaiting his preliminary hearing. 603 00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:22,447 That's scheduled to start here in Orange County on Monday. 604 00:36:27,379 --> 00:36:29,792 The trial, which at the time was 605 00:36:29,793 --> 00:36:34,205 deemed to have been the longest in Orange County history, 606 00:36:34,206 --> 00:36:38,136 went on for weeks and weeks. 607 00:36:38,137 --> 00:36:42,412 He never for a second let down the notion 608 00:36:42,413 --> 00:36:47,688 that he'd ever engaged in any sort of mischief. 609 00:36:47,689 --> 00:36:50,895 He was an upstanding citizen. 610 00:36:50,896 --> 00:36:54,378 He's purported to have viewed all of this 611 00:36:54,379 --> 00:36:57,412 as being a persecution because he 612 00:36:57,413 --> 00:37:00,895 was gay, even though the evidence 613 00:37:00,896 --> 00:37:03,895 is more than overwhelming. 614 00:37:05,551 --> 00:37:09,412 In court, he seemed like he was bored with the whole thing. 615 00:37:09,413 --> 00:37:15,068 Cuts, severs off Geoffrey's testicles and his penis. 616 00:37:16,827 --> 00:37:21,274 And when he's through with Geoffrey's body, 617 00:37:21,275 --> 00:37:23,136 he discards it out of his car. 618 00:37:31,103 --> 00:37:34,102 Kraft had his excuses. 619 00:37:34,103 --> 00:37:38,412 It came out later, after the investigation 620 00:37:38,413 --> 00:37:40,481 and during the trial, that Kraft 621 00:37:40,482 --> 00:37:44,033 broke away from his family long enough 622 00:37:44,034 --> 00:37:48,516 to go out, find Mark Hall, maim him, drug him, 623 00:37:48,517 --> 00:37:51,585 kill him, and leave his body up in the hills 624 00:37:51,586 --> 00:37:54,033 overlooking Lake Elsinore. 625 00:37:54,034 --> 00:37:59,240 He maintained that he was with his family 626 00:37:59,241 --> 00:38:02,550 for New Year's, that they watched 627 00:38:02,551 --> 00:38:04,309 the Rose Parade together. 628 00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:08,654 And, I mean, there was a chunk of time 629 00:38:08,655 --> 00:38:11,171 in the middle of the night when he was missing, 630 00:38:11,172 --> 00:38:14,343 but no one seemed to pay much attention to it. 631 00:38:14,344 --> 00:38:16,688 Randy was weird that way. 632 00:38:16,689 --> 00:38:21,412 He would wander off and show up later, fresh as a daisy, 633 00:38:21,413 --> 00:38:25,757 and his family suspected nothing, ever. 634 00:38:35,724 --> 00:38:39,067 16 times today, the jury foreman read out the verdict 635 00:38:39,068 --> 00:38:40,171 for Randy Kraft. 636 00:38:40,172 --> 00:38:42,585 We want to see justice done. 637 00:38:42,586 --> 00:38:45,551 Our son will not be brought back. 638 00:38:49,275 --> 00:38:52,930 We have to represent our boy. 639 00:38:52,931 --> 00:38:56,723 He was--he can't be here, but we can. 640 00:38:56,724 --> 00:38:59,757 Mrs. Barbara Loggins has waited for nearly nine years 641 00:38:59,758 --> 00:39:02,516 to see the man who killed her son Wyatt convicted. 642 00:39:02,517 --> 00:39:04,654 That wait ended late this morning. 643 00:39:04,655 --> 00:39:08,205 We, the jury, find the defendant, Randy Steven Kraft, 644 00:39:08,206 --> 00:39:12,136 guilty of the crime of felony murder in the first degree, 645 00:39:12,137 --> 00:39:14,067 Robert Wyatt Loggins. 646 00:39:16,758 --> 00:39:21,136 Kraft only sighed when the first guilty verdict was read. 647 00:39:21,137 --> 00:39:23,481 45 minutes later, it was all over. 648 00:39:23,482 --> 00:39:27,067 Each time, it was guilty of murder in the first degree. 649 00:39:27,068 --> 00:39:29,585 He is suspected in 21 other murders 650 00:39:29,586 --> 00:39:32,171 in California, Oregon, and Michigan. 651 00:39:32,172 --> 00:39:35,171 He could get life with no parole or the gas chamber. 652 00:39:36,758 --> 00:39:41,274 His trial, which began in '88, ended in '89 with his 653 00:39:41,275 --> 00:39:46,033 sentencing to the gas chamber. 654 00:39:49,965 --> 00:39:52,447 After it was all over, after all three 655 00:39:52,448 --> 00:39:54,861 freeway killers were prosecuted, 656 00:39:54,862 --> 00:39:56,274 we looked back on it. 657 00:39:56,275 --> 00:39:58,895 Why did this happen in Southern California, 658 00:39:58,896 --> 00:40:00,723 especially Los Angeles? 659 00:40:00,724 --> 00:40:05,999 What made this kind of a magnet that attracted these misfits, 660 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,688 where they wanted to find young men 661 00:40:08,689 --> 00:40:11,999 and have sexual relations with them and kill them? 662 00:40:16,551 --> 00:40:20,205 That is the most interesting thing about these killers, 663 00:40:20,206 --> 00:40:26,033 is that they were very good at mimicking being normal, 664 00:40:26,034 --> 00:40:30,240 because they had to get these people in their clutches. 665 00:40:30,241 --> 00:40:32,999 They had to win them over to get them in the van, 666 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,654 to get them in the car, to get them 667 00:40:34,655 --> 00:40:36,240 to come back to their houses. 668 00:40:36,241 --> 00:40:39,826 These men were very good at portraying 669 00:40:39,827 --> 00:40:43,274 being average, everyday, normal people. 670 00:40:43,275 --> 00:40:49,136 It's just amazing that these three serial killers operated 671 00:40:49,137 --> 00:40:54,826 at the same time in the same geography, three serial killers 672 00:40:54,827 --> 00:40:59,757 who were each different, yet had the same motive, 673 00:40:59,758 --> 00:41:02,102 to inflict pain and suffering and 674 00:41:02,103 --> 00:41:06,551 death for their own pleasures. 675 00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:11,309 These guys, they would talk about murdering people like you 676 00:41:11,310 --> 00:41:13,067 and I would talk about where we were going to lunch. 677 00:41:13,068 --> 00:41:14,654 That's a sociopath. 678 00:41:14,655 --> 00:41:16,205 They have no remorse. 679 00:41:16,206 --> 00:41:18,723 They have no feelings or consideration for anybody. 680 00:41:18,724 --> 00:41:21,241 It was all about sexual gratification. 681 00:41:24,241 --> 00:41:26,343 But why did it take us so long to catch them? 682 00:41:26,344 --> 00:41:31,481 That's always a question an investigator will ask himself, 683 00:41:31,482 --> 00:41:33,102 especially afterwards. 684 00:41:33,103 --> 00:41:35,930 And especially when you're dealing with youth, you know, 685 00:41:35,931 --> 00:41:37,654 it's just--it's harder. 686 00:41:37,655 --> 00:41:41,723 Those things, and they stay with police officers. 687 00:41:41,724 --> 00:41:45,964 The homicide investigators that worked the freeway killer 688 00:41:45,965 --> 00:41:49,516 case and everything, they still think about it for a long 689 00:41:49,517 --> 00:41:50,826 time afterwards. 690 00:41:50,827 --> 00:41:53,343 You don't forget those kind of things. 691 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:57,205 It was a golden age for serial killers, 692 00:41:57,206 --> 00:41:59,067 especially freeway killers. 693 00:41:59,068 --> 00:42:00,102 It happened. 694 00:42:00,103 --> 00:42:01,792 It was very unfortunate. 695 00:42:01,793 --> 00:42:04,309 And many, many, many young lives 696 00:42:04,310 --> 00:42:05,999 were lost because of that. 697 00:42:07,793 --> 00:42:09,999 I don't think the world has seen 698 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,102 the last serial killer yet. 699 00:42:12,103 --> 00:42:13,205 I'm not sure we ever will. 700 00:42:23,068 --> 00:42:26,412 What happened at the height of these murders, 701 00:42:26,413 --> 00:42:28,619 this changed the way a lot of kids 702 00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:31,654 lived, because you don't see hitchhikers anymore. 703 00:42:31,655 --> 00:42:33,688 I mean, really, if you come around California, 704 00:42:33,689 --> 00:42:35,240 you can drive anywhere in LA, you don't see 705 00:42:35,241 --> 00:42:37,240 people hitchhiking anymore. 706 00:42:37,241 --> 00:42:40,205 And the carefree days of that, long gone. 707 00:42:40,206 --> 00:42:44,378 And I think Kraft and Bonin had a lot to do with that. 708 00:42:44,379 --> 00:42:45,723 It changed everything. 709 00:42:45,724 --> 00:42:46,723 It really, really did. 710 00:42:50,655 --> 00:42:53,723 If you add up all of the murders to which they 711 00:42:53,724 --> 00:42:55,895 confessed, were convicted of, suspected of, 712 00:42:55,896 --> 00:42:57,757 it comes to something like 100. 713 00:42:57,758 --> 00:43:01,585 What a horrible score to think that for that period of time, 714 00:43:01,586 --> 00:43:04,999 these men were able to carry out these crimes as butchers 715 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,205 across all of Los Angeles. 57535

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