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Today, the nude body
of a teenage boy
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was found propped up
against a back alley door.
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He had been choked to death.
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This is the 33rd
killing of the same
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type in the last few months.
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The bodies just kept
piling up at a very
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disturbing frequency.
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This killer was relentless.
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Young hitchhiking kids
are being picked up, raped,
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strangled, and dumped naked.
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There's no evidence
left behind.
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They showed us a board, and
there were 45 names, at least,
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on this chart.
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And it was titled Southern
California Homosexual Murders.
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Crime rate was
just unbelievable.
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A witness said
she saw a hitchhiker
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gassed and pulled into a van.
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He nicknamed it.
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It was the Death Van.
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He would say, if you got in the
Death Van, you didn't get out.
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The pressure
of solving a case--
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you felt very
personally involved.
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It was you against them.
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Two men, Patrick
Kearney and David Hill,
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wanted for questioning
in two murders,
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surrendered here last Friday.
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Officers also wanted
to talk to them about five
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other similar killings.
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Kearney is arrested,
put away in prison.
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He's not going to do
any more killing.
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But from the spring
of 1979 until early 1980,
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the bodies just kept increasing
and piling up at a very
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disturbing frequency.
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This killer was relentless.
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Young hitchhiking
kids from 15 to 19
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are being picked up, raped,
strangled and dumped naked.
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They're beat up sometimes.
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They're not
necessarily tortured.
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They're not kept prisoner.
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And there's no evidence
left behind at all.
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The bodies are stripped down.
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All their identifications
are done away with.
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This is also pre-DNA, so the
forensic scene is a little less
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than we would think of today.
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A task force had been set up.
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They were patting
themselves on the back
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at what they had accomplished.
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But they hadn't solved
the Freeway Murders.
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Markus Alexander Grabs,
a 17-year-old German tourist,
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disappeared in August 1979.
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He was over here hitchhiking.
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And he was seeing Los Angeles.
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And he was down in Newport.
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He got his backpack, and he
decided he was going to see--
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go up Northern California.
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And a van comes along
and picks him up.
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Markus Grabs is
found in Malibu Canyon,
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stabbed 70 times.
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And it's a horrific scene.
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The Sheriff's
Department, they got it.
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The homicide team,
they went out.
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They looked for evidence.
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His body was nude.
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He had a backpack.
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The backpack had
been thrown on him.
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There's no evidence there.
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So the homicide
detective didn't
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know what to make out of it.
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This is miles and miles
from Newport Beach,
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in a very remote area.
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Donald Ray Hyden, 15,
disappeared August 27,
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'79 in Los Angeles County.
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His body is found
just a short distance
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away from Markus Grabs' body.
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And his body is
found in a dumpster.
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It'd just been thrown in, nude.
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He had been sexually molested.
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The sheriffs-- you know,
they're working that.
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And they're looking at the two.
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And they think, there's
got to be something
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connecting these two
because of the closeness
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where the bodies are found.
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The gruesome discoveries
were covering six counties,
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from Kern County to the north
of Los Angeles County,
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Orange County to the south,
on into Riverside County,
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San Bernardino
County, a very large
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area of Southern California.
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It became obvious that law
enforcement authorities,
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the detectives, needed
to get together and connect
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the dots geographically.
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Who is the serial killer,
or serial killers,
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leaving bodies
along the freeways?
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I was just out
of the Army in 1966.
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I decided to go
on to the Police Department.
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I had a brother
on the Department.
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He'd been there seven years.
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I was pretty impressed
with where he had worked.
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He never worked homicide, but
he used to talk about friends
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of his who were in homicide.
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And it was kind
of intriguing to me.
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And I thought, I'd like
to be an investigator.
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I was one of the youngest guys.
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I actually started in homicide
with five years on the job.
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I went to Hollywood
Homicide, and
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that was quite an experience.
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John St. John was
a personal friend of mine.
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He came to RHD in the mid '70s.
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Very likeable.
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He was an older man.
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John came on the job three
years before I was born.
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John was well known.
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He was the number-one
detective on the job.
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He had badge number 1.
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John was interested in this
West Side Rapist case
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that I'd handled.
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And John, being an older man--
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and he was probably in his
late 50s at that time.
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John was very
interested in what
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we did, what we
did to solve it,
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and how we put people
in jail because he had never
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worked a serial killer case.
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And that was the only thing
that put us on a level playing
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ground because I always
said, I want to know
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what St. John has forgotten.
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I was pleased
to work with John.
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I never had a problem.
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We were partners,
never had an argument.
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We worked together for about
three or four years.
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But in '79, these bodies were
really starting to pile up.
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Even though we didn't have
our own case at that time,
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we were assigned to monitor
these cases because we
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had found out that
a lot of these victims
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were being abducted
out of Los Angeles
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and then dumped elsewhere.
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It was important
for us to stay on top
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of this with the Sheriff's
Department and
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Orange County Sheriffs.
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And we pretty much went
to all their meetings.
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At one time, they
showed us a board.
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And there were probably 45
names, at least, on this chart.
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And it was titled, Southern
California Homosexual Murders.
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And we always felt
like, if there's
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bodies dropping around
the county, eventually,
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we're going
to probably get one.
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And of course,
jurisdiction lies
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with where they find the body.
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John and I got
our first call out.
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Central Detectives
called us in our office,
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which was only about a mile
away from the dump site.
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And they said they had a nude
young-- young boy in a dumpster
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on Harlem Place off
of Second Street.
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When we got here, there
was a black-and-white unit
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here and Central Detectives.
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And they pointed it out
to us where the body was.
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So we approached the dumpster
carefully, told the patrol
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officers, hey, stay back.
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We don't want any more
people around the dumpster
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than we absolutely had
to have, because it's
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a crime scene, basically.
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So then we just examined
as much as we could,
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look-- looking
into the dumpster.
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I'm 6' 4", and I had
to stand on my tip-toes
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to look in because he
was down a little ways.
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And I could see that it
was a nude young boy.
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It was fresh.
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In fact, it looked more like
he was asleep than decomposing.
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By that time, we called
the coroner's office,
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took a real hard look
inside the dumpster.
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It was apparent that there was
some kind of sexual assault,
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since he was nude.
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And we figured he'd probably
abducted from somewhere else
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and then just dumped here.
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So we didn't have
a lot of confidence
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that we were going to find
a lot of evidence here.
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But we did have the coroner's
office come out.
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And we did a good search
of the whole dumpster
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and put the body in a body bag.
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The first thought we had
when we saw the body,
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it was so similar to all
the others that had been
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occurring all through 1979.
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And of course, this
was early into 1980.
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And we thought, oh, boy,
we're in for a rough year.
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We had about nine different
bodies at that time,
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but all similar situation,
along freeways and
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in back alleys like this,
behind gas stations.
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This just really--
we were pretty
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convinced it was connected.
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We identified the body
as Charles Miranda,
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15-year-old boy.
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And we found out
that he had been
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hitchhiking around the Starwood
area in West Hollywood.
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And he wound up
here, where they
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dumped the body, of course.
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For a killer that
knew his way around,
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you'd almost have to know
these alleyways in downtown
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Los Angeles because you
don't just stumble
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into one of these alleys.
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And we figured there
were two of them.
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To lift a body that's 165,
170 pounds, that high,
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it would probably take
two guys to do it right.
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So that's when we really were
pretty convinced the killer
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had an accomplice.
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Looking at the body,
it was disturbing to me
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for a lot of reasons--
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one, because he
was about the age
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of my oldest son at the time.
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The body was badly bruised.
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It was hard to tell too
much until the autopsy.
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And the autopsy
kind of revealed
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that he had ligature marks,
and he'd been strangled
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and sexually assaulted.
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That particular
method of operation
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was pretty consistent
with this new--
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new wave of killings.
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And so now John and I
were-- it was game on for us
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because now we're
not only monitoring.
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We have a case.
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After Charles Miranda,
there was a real uptick
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between March and May of 1980.
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Beginning with Thomas
Lundgren, 13 years old,
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May 1979, in Los
Angeles County.
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David Louis Murillo,
17, disappeared
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September 9, '79, found the
next day in Los Angeles County.
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More and more young men
were found nude, molested.
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Who's doing it?
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No one knows.
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Robert Wirostek.
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He was 18 when he disappeared,
September 17, 1979, found
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a week later in Orange County.
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James McCabe, 12 years
old, disappeared and
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found February 3, 1980,
in Los Angeles County.
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Ronald Craig Gatlin, 18,
disappeared March 14, 1980.
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The police try
to cover it up.
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They don't want
the public to panic.
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They don't want
to have the politicians
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breathing down their neck.
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So it's hushed up, and it's
kept under the radar.
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JJ Maloney is a reporter who
ends up in Orange County.
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Someone dumps an envelope
on his desk in early 1980.
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And it says, gay
boys getting killed.
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And it's all these
clippings of all
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these young boys
who are being found
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all over Southern California.
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And he sees a pattern here.
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And he goes to his editor.
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He says, this is going on.
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The police are stonewalling us.
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It's our obligation
to do this story.
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And his editor agrees.
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And on March 24, 1980,
they break the story.
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And Maloney coins
the term, Freeway Killer.
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Today, the nude
body of a teenage boy
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was found propped up
against a back alley door.
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He had been choked to death.
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This is the 33rd
killing of the same
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type in the last few months.
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The latest possible
victim of the Freeway Killer
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was found Monday behind
this Mobile station
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in Huntington Beach.
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This is the sixth victim
found in Orange County.
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And he superficially resembles
the boy described last week
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by a witness, who said
she saw a hitchhiker
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gassed and pulled into a van.
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Behind the service station
here at Beech and Adams,
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the nude body
of 18-year-old Steven Wells
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was found last Tuesday.
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The Huntington Beach
Police are asking for help
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in finding Steven's killer.
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The television
reporters, the newspapers,
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were starting to really
focus on this.
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And there's starting to be a
panic about what was happening
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in Southern California.
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Why were all of these young
men, teenagers and younger,
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being kidnapped,
and murdered, and
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then dumped all throughout
Southern California?
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I was a sergeant
at the Training Academy.
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And they promoted
me to lieutenant
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and then transferred me
into the Investigation Bureau.
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And at this time,
the assistant sheriff
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had decided that
they needed, we
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needed, someone
to handle the press
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because we were getting larger
and more and more activity
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and having more and more
contact with the media.
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Actually, I started the first
PIO, Press Information Office,
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in Orange County.
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My job as a PIO was to answer
their questions so that they
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wouldn't interfere
with the investigation
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or be bothering
the investigators
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while they're trying to work.
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One of the, really, things
about a serial killer
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is that people have a rush,
and especially the public.
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Oh, you've got a serial killer.
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You've got another Kearney
out on the streets.
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No, we can't say that yet.
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And we used to take
a lot of heat for that.
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They'd say, oh, you got it.
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You know, it's coming.
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No, we're not ready to say
that there is a serial killer.
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We're still putting
things together.
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So it took us quite a while
before we admitted that there
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was a serial killer out there.
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The terror
increased, especially
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in the gay community,
because it became obvious
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that many of these victims
were either gay or bisexual or
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suspected of being gay.
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The gay community has been
targeted with violence ever
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since the gay
community has existed,
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so it's not new to have people
targeting the community and--
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and trying to pick people off.
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In the past, the police usually
wouldn't do very much
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about it either.
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Once you get into the 1970s,
and the political climate is
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a little bit different,
the police are a little more
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obligated to at least go
through the motions that
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they are investigating this.
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The perception in the gay
community at that time
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would have certainly been
that the police isn't going
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to lift a finger to help
us with this, unless it
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makes them look bad somehow.
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They don't care about us.
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They've been targeting
us for a century.
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We had a murder that
involved homosexuals,
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but we didn't handle
them any different
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than any other murder.
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Human beings are human beings.
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So we were-- there might have
been a prejudice in some areas
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toward gay people.
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But we couldn't--
we couldn't afford that.
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We had to be
pretty much neutral
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and put our feet
in the shoes of the victim
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and find out who did it.
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That was kind of our attitude.
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The feeling
of law enforcement
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was, we have a problem, and we
got to do something about it.
335
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We had a lot
of information coming in.
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We had people
making phone calls.
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We had people writing letters.
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We had people
who would show up.
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I have information,
I think, maybe, on a suspect.
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It was my job to take
the information that
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came in relative to Los
Angeles murders that
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were occurring with that MO.
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They all had to be categorized
and thoroughly investigated.
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And that's where I came in,
just on that particular MO
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with the young boys.
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Then the police get a break
because of Maloney's headlines.
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A young offender sees
one of the headlines.
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And he had been part of it,
to a certain degree.
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And he realizes,
if the headline
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is correct, then
the person in question,
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he thinks he knows who it is.
352
00:17:21,034 --> 00:17:24,792
Now, he doesn't know for sure,
but he's got an idea.
353
00:17:24,793 --> 00:17:26,964
We had handled
a case in Van Nuys.
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00:17:26,965 --> 00:17:29,309
And John and I, we
were up all night,
355
00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:31,102
36 hours at a crime scene.
356
00:17:31,103 --> 00:17:33,102
And we were both
pretty-- pretty beat.
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We got a call from the office.
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And we had pagers then,
so my pager beeped.
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I called the office.
360
00:17:38,931 --> 00:17:42,447
And our lieutenant
said, we have a kid
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over at Los Padrinos
juvenile facility
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who thinks he knows something
about the Freeway Killer.
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00:17:49,379 --> 00:17:51,895
So John and I thought, well, we
got a lot of clues like this.
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Tom and I-- Tom had given
us clues similar to this.
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But we thought,
well, we better--
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we better go do it now.
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So we went over there.
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00:17:58,827 --> 00:18:01,033
And we get this
kid, William Pugh,
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00:18:01,034 --> 00:18:03,792
and he's in custody
for grand theft auto.
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And he's a pretty
streetwise kid.
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And he's kind of hustling--
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he's hustling us,
trying to get a deal,
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because he doesn't want
to do any hard time
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in juvenile authorities.
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I said, I'll have
to hear what you--
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what you have to tell us first.
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And then we could talk
to the juvenile authorities.
378
00:18:18,551 --> 00:18:20,240
We'll see what we can do.
379
00:18:20,241 --> 00:18:21,481
So he said, well, I've been
hanging out with this guy.
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He's an older guy.
And he has a van.
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00:18:23,793 --> 00:18:26,550
And he keeps
a bunch of newspaper
382
00:18:26,551 --> 00:18:29,550
clippings in his glove box
about the Freeway Killer.
383
00:18:29,551 --> 00:18:32,240
He lives in Downey, and he
has a lot of young boys
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coming to his house.
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He's got kind of a mean streak.
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I've seen him really get mad.
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And I said, what's his name?
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He said, William Bonin.
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00:18:40,965 --> 00:18:43,171
That was like the light
bulb just went off.
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00:18:49,172 --> 00:18:51,826
William Bonin
was born in 1947.
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His parents had
moved to Los Angeles
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at the beginning
of World War II
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to work in the defense
industry.
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His father got a job
with an aircraft company.
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00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,205
His parents left a great
deal to be desired.
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00:19:04,206 --> 00:19:06,378
Both his parents
were alcoholic.
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00:19:06,379 --> 00:19:09,585
His father physically abused
his wife and the kids.
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00:19:09,586 --> 00:19:12,861
The father lost the family
home gambling at one point,
399
00:19:12,862 --> 00:19:16,585
and the kids were sent
to convent schools.
400
00:19:16,586 --> 00:19:20,654
And Bonin had some trouble
there, said he was bullied.
401
00:19:20,655 --> 00:19:23,481
He had a little bit
of a tough time being gay,
402
00:19:23,482 --> 00:19:25,723
trying to hide that he was gay.
403
00:19:25,724 --> 00:19:28,550
At one time, he did
have a girlfriend.
404
00:19:28,551 --> 00:19:31,033
That was something
to please his mother.
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00:19:31,034 --> 00:19:33,861
His mother placed
him with a grandfather.
406
00:19:33,862 --> 00:19:36,343
And unfortunately,
he was a pedophile
407
00:19:36,344 --> 00:19:40,412
and molested the children,
especially William Bonin.
408
00:19:40,413 --> 00:19:42,757
Then she thought, oh,
maybe the best thing would
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00:19:42,758 --> 00:19:44,205
be to put him in an orphanage.
410
00:19:44,206 --> 00:19:46,550
And he was molested
by the older
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00:19:46,551 --> 00:19:49,033
kids there, the other boys.
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He was also, at one point,
held as a juvenile delinquent.
413
00:19:52,620 --> 00:19:56,688
And supposedly, the adult
counselor there molested him.
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00:19:56,689 --> 00:20:01,895
So this is a young man who had
homosexual feelings at a very
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young age, and those
were-- were
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punished at a very young age.
417
00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:07,861
Then, about
a year or two later,
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00:20:07,862 --> 00:20:10,240
his father got a job
out here in Downey,
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in Southern California.
420
00:20:23,896 --> 00:20:27,033
Downey, California is
famous for three things.
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It has the oldest McDonald's
that is in existence
422
00:20:30,793 --> 00:20:32,550
still operating there.
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00:20:32,551 --> 00:20:34,964
And it's famous for the
Carpenters, the musical group.
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There was Karen Carpenter,
Richard Carpenter.
425
00:20:37,068 --> 00:20:40,654
And of course, they're not too
happy about the other thing
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00:20:40,655 --> 00:20:43,895
they're famous for,
and that is William Bonin.
427
00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:49,378
When he moved in there,
he had been abused.
428
00:20:49,379 --> 00:20:53,619
And he wanted to control
the neighborhood kids.
429
00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:55,447
They would come
by, and he would
430
00:20:55,448 --> 00:20:59,240
give them alcohol or drugs
or whatever for sexual favors.
431
00:20:59,241 --> 00:21:03,033
And you can imagine
how the neighbors were
432
00:21:03,034 --> 00:21:05,274
not really happy
on having William Bonin
433
00:21:05,275 --> 00:21:07,585
in their neighborhood.
434
00:21:07,586 --> 00:21:10,171
He's, say, 14, 15.
435
00:21:10,172 --> 00:21:12,171
He's in a new environment.
436
00:21:12,172 --> 00:21:14,309
He doesn't socialize well.
437
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:17,585
He doesn't want anyone to find
out his secret about the fact
438
00:21:17,586 --> 00:21:19,481
that he might be
attracted to boys.
439
00:21:19,482 --> 00:21:21,412
His mom goes
to the track a lot.
440
00:21:21,413 --> 00:21:23,309
His dad's out
drinking and gambling.
441
00:21:23,310 --> 00:21:24,861
So he's kind of on his own.
442
00:21:24,862 --> 00:21:26,447
And he ends up getting
in trouble with the law.
443
00:21:26,448 --> 00:21:27,481
He stole a car.
444
00:21:27,482 --> 00:21:29,067
He gets arrested.
445
00:21:29,068 --> 00:21:32,378
In high school, he starts
just skipping school.
446
00:21:32,379 --> 00:21:35,550
And he basically becomes a high
school dropout by the time
447
00:21:35,551 --> 00:21:37,033
he's a junior in high school.
448
00:21:37,034 --> 00:21:39,757
So this is, say, '67.
449
00:21:39,758 --> 00:21:43,067
The Vietnam War is
heating up, so his mother
450
00:21:43,068 --> 00:21:46,171
talks him into joining
the Army when he turns 18.
451
00:21:46,172 --> 00:21:48,274
She thought it might
be good for him.
452
00:21:48,275 --> 00:21:50,171
It might give him
some structure.
453
00:21:50,172 --> 00:21:53,585
He agreed, and he convinced
a friend to join with him.
454
00:21:53,586 --> 00:21:56,205
And this is also part
of Bonin's persona.
455
00:21:56,206 --> 00:21:58,310
He hated doing things alone.
456
00:22:00,827 --> 00:22:05,447
He ends up in Vietnam right
before the Tet Offensive,
457
00:22:05,448 --> 00:22:10,309
which is the most massive
battle in the Vietnam War.
458
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:13,447
He was stationed there
during his Air Force term
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00:22:13,448 --> 00:22:17,033
as a gunner in an aircraft
and actually was awarded,
460
00:22:17,034 --> 00:22:20,861
at one point, for his bravery.
461
00:22:20,862 --> 00:22:23,550
He ran out of his
helicopter, pulled
462
00:22:23,551 --> 00:22:26,136
a wounded soldier
out under fire,
463
00:22:26,137 --> 00:22:28,447
dragged him back,
and saved his life.
464
00:22:28,448 --> 00:22:32,343
He also raped
somebody at gunpoint,
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00:22:32,344 --> 00:22:36,102
a fellow soldier
in Vietnam, which he doesn't
466
00:22:36,103 --> 00:22:39,136
get in trouble for that.
467
00:22:39,137 --> 00:22:42,619
He must have seen a lot
of heavy-duty action
468
00:22:42,620 --> 00:22:45,654
up and down because he
was there when
469
00:22:45,655 --> 00:22:48,585
it was really intense battles.
470
00:22:48,586 --> 00:22:51,205
He also sees something
which later plays in.
471
00:22:51,206 --> 00:22:55,171
He sees South Vietnamese
troops shackling
472
00:22:55,172 --> 00:23:00,033
prisoners and then extracting
information from them.
473
00:23:00,034 --> 00:23:02,136
At the end of his
military service,
474
00:23:02,137 --> 00:23:05,516
there were a lot of disturbing
signs about William Bonin.
475
00:23:05,517 --> 00:23:10,136
In 1969, Bonin was
convicted of sexual assault
476
00:23:10,137 --> 00:23:11,585
against children.
477
00:23:11,586 --> 00:23:13,412
He's only back
two or three months,
478
00:23:13,413 --> 00:23:17,585
and he's already raped four
boys who were hitchhiking.
479
00:23:17,586 --> 00:23:21,240
He's sent to the Atascadero,
to a mental institution,
480
00:23:21,241 --> 00:23:23,964
to see if they could
rehabilitate him.
481
00:23:23,965 --> 00:23:26,205
And they tried,
and they gave up.
482
00:23:26,206 --> 00:23:28,240
And they said, just send
him to the state prison.
483
00:23:28,241 --> 00:23:30,033
And he was sent
to state prison.
484
00:23:30,034 --> 00:23:31,999
And eventually, the state
prison didn't know what to do
485
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,619
with him, and he's released.
486
00:23:33,620 --> 00:23:35,481
So this is the type
of individual
487
00:23:35,482 --> 00:23:39,343
we have, a person
who could not control
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00:23:39,344 --> 00:23:44,585
their emotions as to sexual
molesting young children,
489
00:23:44,586 --> 00:23:46,550
especially young boys.
490
00:23:46,551 --> 00:23:49,412
He moved back home
with his parents,
491
00:23:49,413 --> 00:23:52,171
tried working
as a bartender, and then
492
00:23:52,172 --> 00:23:53,827
got a job as a truck driver.
493
00:23:56,172 --> 00:23:58,585
And he made
a statement to himself--
494
00:23:58,586 --> 00:24:02,309
I will never allow
anybody to survive.
495
00:24:08,620 --> 00:24:11,861
Most serial killers
work by themselves.
496
00:24:11,862 --> 00:24:15,274
Bonin, interestingly,
had five accomplices
497
00:24:15,275 --> 00:24:16,379
at one time or another.
498
00:24:24,344 --> 00:24:27,585
Vernon Butts was
the big one because it was
499
00:24:27,586 --> 00:24:31,895
with Vernon Butts,
on an August evening
500
00:24:31,896 --> 00:24:33,757
at the drive-in theater--
501
00:24:33,758 --> 00:24:36,585
they're sitting there,
watching the movie,
502
00:24:36,586 --> 00:24:39,550
and they start talking
about killing somebody.
503
00:24:39,551 --> 00:24:42,999
And all of a sudden,
they decide to do it.
504
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,654
So they left the drive-in.
505
00:24:44,655 --> 00:24:46,964
And they drove down
to a freeway entrance,
506
00:24:46,965 --> 00:24:50,136
where Bonin knew that
kids were hitchhiking.
507
00:24:50,137 --> 00:24:52,861
And they pick up this
kid, Mark Shelton.
508
00:24:52,862 --> 00:24:56,205
And they take him up
into the Cajon Pass,
509
00:24:56,206 --> 00:24:58,343
which is up in the hills.
510
00:24:58,344 --> 00:25:01,412
And they beat him up,
and they rape him.
511
00:25:01,413 --> 00:25:06,999
And now, they're at the point
where they can step back,
512
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,964
but they kill him.
513
00:25:08,965 --> 00:25:11,826
It's like they walked
through the dark panel
514
00:25:11,827 --> 00:25:13,826
into the new country.
515
00:25:13,827 --> 00:25:16,378
Bonin has now got the taste.
516
00:25:16,379 --> 00:25:20,240
And it's the taste that
then keeps him going.
517
00:25:20,241 --> 00:25:21,586
It's the power.
518
00:25:23,206 --> 00:25:26,826
Bonin knew so much
as to snatch some victims.
519
00:25:26,827 --> 00:25:28,792
When you snatched
them, obviously,
520
00:25:28,793 --> 00:25:30,067
they're not going along.
521
00:25:30,068 --> 00:25:31,585
They're not cooperating.
522
00:25:31,586 --> 00:25:33,654
So he had a van
with a sliding door
523
00:25:33,655 --> 00:25:35,964
that didn't have to open out.
524
00:25:35,965 --> 00:25:37,964
It was a Ford van.
525
00:25:37,965 --> 00:25:42,205
It had been specially made
so that it had no windows.
526
00:25:42,206 --> 00:25:46,412
You couldn't unlock the doors
in the back from the inside.
527
00:25:46,413 --> 00:25:48,792
It had carpeting in the back.
528
00:25:48,793 --> 00:25:53,378
And he had curtains up front so
you couldn't see into the back.
529
00:25:53,379 --> 00:25:54,343
And he nicknamed it.
530
00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:56,240
It was the Death Van.
531
00:25:56,241 --> 00:26:00,792
He would say, if you got in the
Death Van, you didn't get out.
532
00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:04,309
He was just always
looking for someone
533
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:08,205
he could pull up on at a stop
sign or a bus stop,
534
00:26:08,206 --> 00:26:10,999
coax him into his van somehow.
535
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,688
He would get them
comfortable, you know,
536
00:26:13,689 --> 00:26:15,412
especially if they
were hustlers.
537
00:26:15,413 --> 00:26:18,964
He detested hustlers, and he
would get them into the van.
538
00:26:18,965 --> 00:26:23,516
And then he had a rope
and a knife hidden away.
539
00:26:23,517 --> 00:26:29,102
And so, as soon as they were
in a compromised position,
540
00:26:29,103 --> 00:26:31,619
he would put the knife
to their throat,
541
00:26:31,620 --> 00:26:35,171
tie them up, maybe work
them over a little bit,
542
00:26:35,172 --> 00:26:39,205
then rape them
and then strangle them.
543
00:26:39,206 --> 00:26:41,102
Generally, he would
take the t-shirt
544
00:26:41,103 --> 00:26:46,205
and strangle the individual
with their own t-shirt.
545
00:26:46,206 --> 00:26:50,033
Sometimes, he would take
them to various locations.
546
00:26:50,034 --> 00:26:51,826
Sometimes, he would
take them to his friend
547
00:26:51,827 --> 00:26:53,930
Vernon Butts's house.
548
00:26:53,931 --> 00:26:57,240
Sometimes, he would take
them to his house in Downey,
549
00:26:57,241 --> 00:26:58,723
where he would molest them.
550
00:26:58,724 --> 00:27:00,723
And then he would
kill them, then would
551
00:27:00,724 --> 00:27:03,550
have to take the body out,
put it back in the van,
552
00:27:03,551 --> 00:27:07,378
haul it someplace, and then
dump the body along the
553
00:27:07,379 --> 00:27:09,343
highway somewhere.
554
00:27:09,344 --> 00:27:11,964
He would steal money
from their pockets.
555
00:27:11,965 --> 00:27:13,723
There was accounts where
they would go and buy
556
00:27:13,724 --> 00:27:16,550
food, fast food,
and come back and
557
00:27:16,551 --> 00:27:19,447
eat it right next to the bodies
that they had just killed.
558
00:27:19,448 --> 00:27:24,343
And Bonin would look over
and say, thanks for this.
559
00:27:24,344 --> 00:27:26,654
We're in the southern
part of Downey,
560
00:27:26,655 --> 00:27:30,136
and we come across
the freeway here.
561
00:27:30,137 --> 00:27:34,930
And we come to where William
Bonin lived with his mother.
562
00:27:34,931 --> 00:27:37,861
You can see what
the house looks like.
563
00:27:37,862 --> 00:27:40,930
It looks like
a normal track house.
564
00:27:40,931 --> 00:27:44,343
He would come in at nighttime,
go through the door there.
565
00:27:44,344 --> 00:27:47,067
And a lot of times, he
would take the bodies.
566
00:27:47,068 --> 00:27:49,205
And sometimes,
they were tied up.
567
00:27:49,206 --> 00:27:51,205
And sometimes, they walked in.
568
00:27:51,206 --> 00:27:53,412
One of the cases
was Darrin Kendrick.
569
00:27:53,413 --> 00:27:54,688
They brought him down here.
570
00:27:54,689 --> 00:27:56,378
And he walked into the house.
571
00:27:56,379 --> 00:27:58,964
As soon as he got in the house,
they closed the door,
572
00:27:58,965 --> 00:28:00,481
and they tied him up.
573
00:28:00,482 --> 00:28:02,516
And then he was molested.
574
00:28:02,517 --> 00:28:04,274
And he was mutilated.
575
00:28:04,275 --> 00:28:08,240
And they made him drink
hydrochloric acid,
576
00:28:08,241 --> 00:28:11,309
which, you know, his
face and his throat--
577
00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:14,343
the pain that he must
have gone through.
578
00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:19,378
Bonin had used an ice pick
and pounded it into his ear.
579
00:28:19,379 --> 00:28:20,723
He was not dead.
580
00:28:20,724 --> 00:28:22,757
They stuck the ice pick in.
581
00:28:22,758 --> 00:28:26,757
And you can imagine it
goes into your brain.
582
00:28:26,758 --> 00:28:30,240
And, you know, it
causes a seizure,
583
00:28:30,241 --> 00:28:32,412
but it doesn't kill you.
584
00:28:32,413 --> 00:28:34,309
What type of human being--
585
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:36,619
what is going
through your mind?
586
00:28:36,620 --> 00:28:40,412
And then what is
the satisfaction that you're
587
00:28:40,413 --> 00:28:41,792
receiving from that?
588
00:28:46,172 --> 00:28:47,861
Pugh is a young kid.
589
00:28:47,862 --> 00:28:50,895
He's kind
of a juvenile ruffian.
590
00:28:50,896 --> 00:28:55,067
And the reason
that Bonin met Pugh
591
00:28:55,068 --> 00:28:58,792
is because Bonin used to party
at this place owned by a guy
592
00:28:58,793 --> 00:29:00,378
named Scott Fraser.
593
00:29:00,379 --> 00:29:02,481
Fraser was a drug dealer.
594
00:29:02,482 --> 00:29:06,067
And he had a lot
of homosexual-type parties
595
00:29:06,068 --> 00:29:07,447
with a lot of drugs.
596
00:29:07,448 --> 00:29:10,481
He called up Bonin
and said, hey,
597
00:29:10,482 --> 00:29:11,826
there's a guy going
to be over here.
598
00:29:11,827 --> 00:29:13,102
I know you're
going to like him.
599
00:29:13,103 --> 00:29:16,067
He knew the type
of young guys that Bonin
600
00:29:16,068 --> 00:29:18,102
liked-- young, slim, blond.
601
00:29:18,103 --> 00:29:20,171
He said, you should
meet Billy Pugh.
602
00:29:20,172 --> 00:29:22,481
So Bonin comes over.
603
00:29:22,482 --> 00:29:25,585
And they hit it off
immediately because, also,
604
00:29:25,586 --> 00:29:26,930
they have something in common.
605
00:29:26,931 --> 00:29:28,550
They were both incarcerated.
606
00:29:28,551 --> 00:29:30,654
And their two favorite
subjects to talk about
607
00:29:30,655 --> 00:29:32,068
are sex and violence.
608
00:29:34,241 --> 00:29:40,343
And that night, through
Bonin's clever manipulations,
609
00:29:40,344 --> 00:29:45,240
he convinces Pugh to go out
and pick up somebody and
610
00:29:45,241 --> 00:29:47,240
murder him that very night.
611
00:29:47,241 --> 00:29:49,585
And they kill this kid
named Harry Turner,
612
00:29:49,586 --> 00:29:51,723
and he's dumped in downtown LA.
613
00:29:51,724 --> 00:29:54,481
And it's dumped
right in an alley,
614
00:29:54,482 --> 00:29:56,033
so he's found immediately.
615
00:29:56,034 --> 00:30:00,171
And LAPD, obviously,
knows it's the same guy.
616
00:30:00,172 --> 00:30:03,378
It's got all the earmarks
of the same person.
617
00:30:03,379 --> 00:30:06,585
And Bonin and Pugh basically
talk one more time,
618
00:30:06,586 --> 00:30:08,205
and then they never
see each other again
619
00:30:08,206 --> 00:30:10,136
because Pugh gets arrested.
620
00:30:10,137 --> 00:30:12,516
And he ends up
in a juvenile facility.
621
00:30:12,517 --> 00:30:14,930
And he was a juvenile
when they did this murder.
622
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:23,412
William Bonin's
name had come up
623
00:30:23,413 --> 00:30:26,930
at a couple of our different
meetings with other agencies.
624
00:30:26,931 --> 00:30:30,619
Bonin was a MDSO, Mentally
Disordered Sex Offender.
625
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:33,964
And Bonin had been
under surveillance
626
00:30:33,965 --> 00:30:36,136
by Orange County
Sheriffs at one time.
627
00:30:36,137 --> 00:30:38,067
But they didn't-- there was
nothing untoward about his
628
00:30:38,068 --> 00:30:40,516
activities at that
time, so Orange County
629
00:30:40,517 --> 00:30:43,033
dropped him as a suspect.
630
00:30:43,034 --> 00:30:45,033
We couldn't get back
to the office fast enough.
631
00:30:45,034 --> 00:30:47,723
We got back, called a meeting
right away with our captain,
632
00:30:47,724 --> 00:30:49,412
our lieutenant.
633
00:30:49,413 --> 00:30:50,792
We decided that we got to put
surveillance on this guy
634
00:30:50,793 --> 00:30:51,792
right away.
635
00:30:51,793 --> 00:30:53,378
So we knew where he was.
636
00:30:53,379 --> 00:30:55,481
John and I started
a background immediately,
637
00:30:55,482 --> 00:30:57,826
getting as much
information as we could,
638
00:30:57,827 --> 00:30:59,585
the photos, everything
we could possibly gather
639
00:30:59,586 --> 00:31:01,447
to give to surveillance.
640
00:31:01,448 --> 00:31:03,205
The sad thing about
that surveillance
641
00:31:03,206 --> 00:31:05,792
was, just within
about 12 hours or
642
00:31:05,793 --> 00:31:09,274
so, they watched Bonin
and one of his accomplices
643
00:31:09,275 --> 00:31:11,171
put a big box in the van.
644
00:31:11,172 --> 00:31:12,826
They couldn't
make the approach.
645
00:31:12,827 --> 00:31:14,757
They'd blow the-- they
didn't know what they had.
646
00:31:14,758 --> 00:31:16,205
They couldn't make
that approach.
647
00:31:16,206 --> 00:31:17,757
We found out later
it was probably
648
00:31:17,758 --> 00:31:21,067
the last body that Bonin
had actually killed.
649
00:31:21,068 --> 00:31:22,965
But they stayed with
the surveillance.
650
00:31:28,551 --> 00:31:29,757
Bonin's under surveillance.
651
00:31:29,758 --> 00:31:31,033
He had taken this
path all the way
652
00:31:31,034 --> 00:31:32,481
along the Hollywood Freeway.
653
00:31:32,482 --> 00:31:34,792
He got off here on Santa
Monica Boulevard.
654
00:31:34,793 --> 00:31:37,861
And he made a left
here on Santa Monica.
655
00:31:37,862 --> 00:31:40,033
There's usually
seven or eight teams.
656
00:31:40,034 --> 00:31:42,550
So they're scattered,
trying to cover
657
00:31:42,551 --> 00:31:44,550
any direction he might go.
658
00:31:44,551 --> 00:31:45,999
It's quite an art.
659
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,412
When you work-- when
you go with these guys,
660
00:31:47,413 --> 00:31:49,550
you'll see how good
they are at it.
661
00:31:49,551 --> 00:31:52,481
Bonin, in his van, now
he's cruising through here.
662
00:31:52,482 --> 00:31:56,412
This area in here, there would
be young boys on the corners.
663
00:31:56,413 --> 00:31:59,240
And Bonin would pull
over and talk to them.
664
00:31:59,241 --> 00:32:02,240
And as surveillance
was watching him,
665
00:32:02,241 --> 00:32:03,964
he'd have a conversation.
666
00:32:03,965 --> 00:32:05,964
Maybe they didn't want
to get in the car with him
667
00:32:05,965 --> 00:32:07,550
for whatever reason.
668
00:32:07,551 --> 00:32:10,136
So he would just move
on and kept pulling over
669
00:32:10,137 --> 00:32:11,619
and talking to different ones.
670
00:32:11,620 --> 00:32:13,792
And then finally,
up here around--
671
00:32:13,793 --> 00:32:15,619
not this light,
but the next light--
672
00:32:15,620 --> 00:32:18,757
he stopped to talk to a kid.
673
00:32:18,758 --> 00:32:21,964
The kid got in the van,
and they watched that.
674
00:32:21,965 --> 00:32:24,447
And then Bonin came
back out and went back
675
00:32:24,448 --> 00:32:26,688
on Santa Monica Boulevard.
676
00:32:26,689 --> 00:32:28,964
Now, they have
to really stay on him.
677
00:32:28,965 --> 00:32:31,274
You can't risk losing him.
678
00:32:31,275 --> 00:32:32,723
So now, they're watching him.
679
00:32:32,724 --> 00:32:34,861
And he wasn't
slowing down, like he
680
00:32:34,862 --> 00:32:36,481
was looking for a place.
681
00:32:36,482 --> 00:32:38,412
He seemed to know exactly
where he was going.
682
00:32:38,413 --> 00:32:41,309
Surveillance followed Bonin
on Santa Monica Boulevard,
683
00:32:41,310 --> 00:32:43,033
over the Hollywood
Freeway, and wound
684
00:32:43,034 --> 00:32:44,447
up here in this parking lot.
685
00:32:44,448 --> 00:32:47,757
We are just east
of the Hollywood Freeway.
686
00:32:47,758 --> 00:32:49,585
He pulled into this
parking lot.
687
00:32:49,586 --> 00:32:53,102
And Bonin backed up his van.
688
00:32:53,103 --> 00:32:54,412
Of course, surveillance
couldn't tell
689
00:32:54,413 --> 00:32:55,757
what was going on in the van.
690
00:32:55,758 --> 00:32:58,481
So they just sat,
and they watched.
691
00:32:58,482 --> 00:33:01,033
And they thought, we
better look closer.
692
00:33:01,034 --> 00:33:02,585
So one of the surveillance
officers
693
00:33:02,586 --> 00:33:04,826
came out, snuck around
the parking lot.
694
00:33:04,827 --> 00:33:06,136
It was pretty dark out here.
695
00:33:06,137 --> 00:33:07,861
There were no
lights or anything.
696
00:33:07,862 --> 00:33:10,688
He snuck up on the van, crawled
underneath it to listen,
697
00:33:10,689 --> 00:33:12,964
and he heard a lot of moaning.
698
00:33:12,965 --> 00:33:15,516
And then he could
smell some really bad--
699
00:33:15,517 --> 00:33:17,378
bad smells.
700
00:33:17,379 --> 00:33:20,516
And that's when he signaled
to the other surveillance guys
701
00:33:20,517 --> 00:33:21,999
that we've got
to take him down.
702
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,205
So they break
their way into the van,
703
00:33:25,206 --> 00:33:26,999
and he's in the act
of sodomizing
704
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,240
this young boy he
had just picked
705
00:33:28,241 --> 00:33:29,895
up on Santa Monica Boulevard.
706
00:33:29,896 --> 00:33:31,481
And there's no doubt
in my mind that he
707
00:33:31,482 --> 00:33:33,240
was going to kill
the kid eventually
708
00:33:33,241 --> 00:33:35,378
because Bonin liked
to have sex and strangle
709
00:33:35,379 --> 00:33:36,896
them at the same time.
710
00:33:38,551 --> 00:33:40,136
The kid was completely nude.
711
00:33:40,137 --> 00:33:41,861
There was a crowbar.
712
00:33:41,862 --> 00:33:44,102
And the kid's clothes
were right there.
713
00:33:44,103 --> 00:33:46,758
They were probably within
minutes of this kid dying.
714
00:33:50,482 --> 00:33:51,447
They got the kid out.
715
00:33:51,448 --> 00:33:52,964
The kid was terrified.
716
00:33:52,965 --> 00:33:54,861
He was a runaway from
Orange County somewhere.
717
00:33:54,862 --> 00:33:55,895
Got him safe.
718
00:33:55,896 --> 00:33:57,447
Got him dressed.
719
00:33:57,448 --> 00:33:59,585
They took Bonin
into custody, of course.
720
00:33:59,586 --> 00:34:03,343
They had a unit sit on the van
until we could get a tow truck.
721
00:34:03,344 --> 00:34:05,171
Tremendous amount
of evidence in the van--
722
00:34:05,172 --> 00:34:09,102
not only tools that he used
to murder these young boys, but
723
00:34:09,103 --> 00:34:12,999
also carpet fibers that
matched fibers they
724
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,447
found on several of the bodies,
which was pretty conclusive.
725
00:34:16,448 --> 00:34:19,171
We didn't have
DNA at that time.
726
00:34:19,172 --> 00:34:23,516
And there was a lot of blood
and body fluids on the carpet,
727
00:34:23,517 --> 00:34:25,378
in the carpet.
728
00:34:25,379 --> 00:34:27,205
If we would have had DNA,
then we probably could have
729
00:34:27,206 --> 00:34:28,550
identified certain victims.
730
00:34:28,551 --> 00:34:30,379
But that wasn't the case.
731
00:34:33,344 --> 00:34:35,067
That was one of the biggest
cases I ever handled.
732
00:34:35,068 --> 00:34:38,274
So it was a relief to have
him in custody, believe me.
733
00:34:38,275 --> 00:34:40,447
And I probably slept
better that night
734
00:34:40,448 --> 00:34:41,516
than I have in a long time.
735
00:34:41,517 --> 00:34:43,448
It was pretty incredible.
736
00:34:46,586 --> 00:34:48,930
The police arrest him.
737
00:34:48,931 --> 00:34:52,723
Sergeant St. John is
there to greet him.
738
00:34:52,724 --> 00:34:55,274
Bonin writes about it
in his jailhouse diary.
739
00:34:55,275 --> 00:34:58,792
He describes the scene
with St. John,
740
00:34:58,793 --> 00:35:02,205
realizing that it's all over.
741
00:35:02,206 --> 00:35:05,067
And he says in his
diary, he starts crying.
742
00:35:05,068 --> 00:35:06,999
I put him
in the interview room.
743
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,171
And I was a little
rough on him.
744
00:35:09,172 --> 00:35:12,688
John was probably a little
more professional than I was.
745
00:35:12,689 --> 00:35:13,861
I kind of lost it a little bit.
746
00:35:13,862 --> 00:35:15,171
And I was a little emotional.
747
00:35:15,172 --> 00:35:16,343
John advised him
of his rights, and he
748
00:35:16,344 --> 00:35:17,550
started to talk a little bit.
749
00:35:17,551 --> 00:35:19,205
And then he just clammed up.
750
00:35:19,206 --> 00:35:22,102
And John kind of looked
at me and said-- so we went
751
00:35:22,103 --> 00:35:23,447
outside the interview room.
752
00:35:23,448 --> 00:35:24,930
And he says, you
know, I think he's--
753
00:35:24,931 --> 00:35:26,481
I think he's a little nervous.
754
00:35:26,482 --> 00:35:28,171
He keeps looking at you.
755
00:35:28,172 --> 00:35:30,654
And he says-- like you're
staring at him, you know?
756
00:35:30,655 --> 00:35:32,481
He says, let me
have a shot at him.
757
00:35:32,482 --> 00:35:35,102
He says, I'm going to do a
little fatherly thing with him.
758
00:35:35,103 --> 00:35:36,861
Good cop, bad cop,
everybody hears about that.
759
00:35:36,862 --> 00:35:37,895
It's true.
760
00:35:37,896 --> 00:35:39,412
It works.
761
00:35:39,413 --> 00:35:41,240
It worked with Bob and John.
762
00:35:41,241 --> 00:35:43,033
John was the elderly man.
763
00:35:43,034 --> 00:35:45,481
I think John was almost 70
years old when he was working--
764
00:35:45,482 --> 00:35:46,619
working that.
765
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:48,550
He was a calming influence.
766
00:35:48,551 --> 00:35:49,826
Bob would just stand up there.
767
00:35:49,827 --> 00:35:51,412
He's 6' 4", 6' 5".
768
00:35:51,413 --> 00:35:53,516
He'd just glare at you.
769
00:35:53,517 --> 00:35:56,723
And that's very
effective, especially
770
00:35:56,724 --> 00:36:00,757
to somebody like a Bonin,
who is deathly afraid of him.
771
00:36:00,758 --> 00:36:02,688
So John started
talking to him.
772
00:36:02,689 --> 00:36:04,067
And pretty soon,
John pulled out
773
00:36:04,068 --> 00:36:05,516
some pictures of the victims.
774
00:36:05,517 --> 00:36:06,861
We got you dead bang, buddy.
775
00:36:06,862 --> 00:36:07,826
We know you did it.
776
00:36:07,827 --> 00:36:09,654
We got witnesses.
777
00:36:09,655 --> 00:36:12,274
And Bonin started talking
and laying out all these cases
778
00:36:12,275 --> 00:36:14,033
he'd done and what have you.
779
00:36:14,034 --> 00:36:16,067
That arrest was just the
beginning of the investigation
780
00:36:16,068 --> 00:36:19,378
because now, we're getting more
and more information every time
781
00:36:19,379 --> 00:36:20,964
he sits down.
782
00:36:20,965 --> 00:36:22,516
He was very cooperative.
783
00:36:22,517 --> 00:36:24,136
He was kind of proud
of what he did.
784
00:36:24,137 --> 00:36:27,274
He was talking in detail
of how he killed these kids
785
00:36:27,275 --> 00:36:28,688
and what they did.
786
00:36:28,689 --> 00:36:30,619
Some of them, they
took to his house,
787
00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:32,723
where they'd torture
them and murder them.
788
00:36:37,896 --> 00:36:40,274
They had already got
a confession from Bonin,
789
00:36:40,275 --> 00:36:42,378
but it was on the grounds that
they wouldn't use it because he
790
00:36:42,379 --> 00:36:44,102
took them to other bodies.
791
00:36:44,103 --> 00:36:47,102
He was a very manipulative guy.
792
00:36:47,103 --> 00:36:49,481
That's where I became
important to them.
793
00:36:53,310 --> 00:36:56,205
The night Bonin was arrested,
everybody went to the mother's
794
00:36:56,206 --> 00:36:58,033
house in Downey.
795
00:36:58,034 --> 00:36:59,826
I saw this lonely
figure of a woman
796
00:36:59,827 --> 00:37:00,930
sitting at the kitchen table.
797
00:37:00,931 --> 00:37:02,412
It was his mother.
798
00:37:02,413 --> 00:37:04,792
So the next day, I
said to the newsroom--
799
00:37:04,793 --> 00:37:06,550
I said, look, I think I
can get her to talk to me.
800
00:37:06,551 --> 00:37:07,516
Just give me a crew.
801
00:37:07,517 --> 00:37:08,723
Let me see what happens.
802
00:37:08,724 --> 00:37:10,378
So I go back the next day.
803
00:37:10,379 --> 00:37:12,826
And sure enough, I got
an interview with her.
804
00:37:12,827 --> 00:37:15,826
And she-- she said how, you
know, he was a wonderful boy
805
00:37:15,827 --> 00:37:17,654
and, you know, he had
a little trouble in the Army.
806
00:37:17,655 --> 00:37:19,240
And she didn't know he was gay.
807
00:37:19,241 --> 00:37:20,930
And she just can't believe
he would do-- you know,
808
00:37:20,931 --> 00:37:23,723
it's a typical mom
protecting her son.
809
00:37:23,724 --> 00:37:25,999
Bonin's in court
a couple days later.
810
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,861
His attorney named Earl
Hanson, who came up to me
811
00:37:29,862 --> 00:37:33,067
and gave me his card,
and he said, listen,
812
00:37:33,068 --> 00:37:36,274
Bonin really appreciates
the way you talk to his mother.
813
00:37:36,275 --> 00:37:39,033
And he'd like to talk to you.
814
00:37:39,034 --> 00:37:41,619
Show this card when
you go to the jail,
815
00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:44,447
and you'll be able to go in.
816
00:37:44,448 --> 00:37:45,757
That would never happen today.
817
00:37:45,758 --> 00:37:46,964
Never.
818
00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:48,550
It just wouldn't--
it's impossible.
819
00:37:48,551 --> 00:37:49,826
So I show the card.
820
00:37:49,827 --> 00:37:51,205
I get in.
821
00:37:51,206 --> 00:37:53,171
I go into where
the attorney's room is.
822
00:37:53,172 --> 00:37:54,688
In comes Bonin.
823
00:37:54,689 --> 00:37:56,447
He's behind a Plexiglas.
824
00:37:56,448 --> 00:37:58,412
I was surprised
at how small he was.
825
00:37:58,413 --> 00:38:01,309
He's a big-- he's a big
man, but he's not tall.
826
00:38:01,310 --> 00:38:02,999
You know, I figured
this guy would
827
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,792
be, you know, overpowering
all these kids, you know,
828
00:38:04,793 --> 00:38:06,309
and putting them in a hog
tie and everything,
829
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:08,067
big, massive muscles.
No.
830
00:38:08,068 --> 00:38:09,792
I was there for about
an hour and a half.
831
00:38:09,793 --> 00:38:11,999
No notes because I wasn't
allowed to take any notes.
832
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,930
And he told me how
he killed 26 kids--
833
00:38:14,931 --> 00:38:16,654
26 kids.
834
00:38:16,655 --> 00:38:19,033
What really sent chills down
my spine was when he said,
835
00:38:19,034 --> 00:38:21,826
I would never stop
unless I was arrested.
836
00:38:21,827 --> 00:38:25,171
He says, I was
never going to stop.
837
00:38:25,172 --> 00:38:27,792
I asked Bonin, what
was the thrill?
838
00:38:27,793 --> 00:38:30,861
And I remember, he
said, he loved the sound
839
00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:33,930
and he loved the terror
in their face.
840
00:38:33,931 --> 00:38:36,136
It was haunting,
just plain haunting.
841
00:38:36,137 --> 00:38:38,792
I mean, he just really
enjoyed killing.
842
00:38:43,448 --> 00:38:45,171
So that investigation
went on and on.
843
00:38:45,172 --> 00:38:46,826
I mean, we had
to prepare for trial.
844
00:38:46,827 --> 00:38:49,205
And he was laying out,
of course, his accomplices.
845
00:38:49,206 --> 00:38:51,102
And meanwhile,
he didn't realize
846
00:38:51,103 --> 00:38:52,205
at first that all
these accomplices
847
00:38:52,206 --> 00:38:55,171
were testifying against him.
848
00:38:55,172 --> 00:38:57,412
Butts is prosecuted.
849
00:38:57,413 --> 00:38:59,205
His attorney,
at some point, said,
850
00:38:59,206 --> 00:39:01,999
hey, we could make a deal.
851
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,136
He will testify
against William Bonin.
852
00:39:06,137 --> 00:39:08,930
Now, the DA's office
needs something.
853
00:39:08,931 --> 00:39:11,723
They can't-- there are
no witnesses who saw
854
00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:16,136
Bonin pick these people
up, kill these people,
855
00:39:16,137 --> 00:39:17,999
or dump the body.
856
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,033
He comes in, and he testifies
at the preliminary hearing.
857
00:39:21,034 --> 00:39:23,688
And he does it all,
just down the line.
858
00:39:23,689 --> 00:39:24,723
We had our case.
859
00:39:24,724 --> 00:39:25,999
Everything was made.
860
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,240
It was perfect.
861
00:39:27,241 --> 00:39:29,792
The DA couldn't
have been happier.
862
00:39:29,793 --> 00:39:33,274
Then they checked
out Butts's cell.
863
00:39:33,275 --> 00:39:35,412
He's hanged himself.
864
00:39:35,413 --> 00:39:37,654
Now, we don't have a case.
865
00:39:37,655 --> 00:39:40,999
All of those cases that
Butts said, I was with him,
866
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,861
I drove the van,
we can't do those.
867
00:39:44,862 --> 00:39:47,412
We couldn't
prosecute on the ones
868
00:39:47,413 --> 00:39:50,551
that Butts had told us that
William Bonin had done.
869
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,343
My conscience
started bothering me.
870
00:39:56,344 --> 00:39:59,205
And all the investigators and
different police agencies said,
871
00:39:59,206 --> 00:40:00,619
look, you know, we need you.
872
00:40:00,620 --> 00:40:03,619
And finally, six
months into the fact,
873
00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:05,136
I said, okay, that's it.
874
00:40:05,137 --> 00:40:07,136
I can't-- I can't
handle this anymore.
875
00:40:07,137 --> 00:40:10,654
And I broke the story that
Bonin had confessed to me.
876
00:40:10,655 --> 00:40:14,585
He said that once he got them
in, the talk of sex came up.
877
00:40:14,586 --> 00:40:16,723
He always had a knife
handy, and he'd put a knife
878
00:40:16,724 --> 00:40:18,343
at their throat occasionally.
879
00:40:18,344 --> 00:40:20,171
And he says he-- he
bragged about the idea
880
00:40:20,172 --> 00:40:22,999
that he had a great ability
to tie people up very quickly.
881
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,585
That is really a no-no
in the reporter world,
882
00:40:27,586 --> 00:40:30,757
giving up your source
or conveying
883
00:40:30,758 --> 00:40:33,205
information that he gave you.
884
00:40:33,206 --> 00:40:36,205
And I admired him very much
for what he did with Bonin.
885
00:40:36,206 --> 00:40:39,309
I've never had another
reporter do that.
886
00:40:39,310 --> 00:40:41,343
I just felt it was
the right thing to do.
887
00:40:41,344 --> 00:40:42,999
I'm glad I did.
888
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,999
I mean, I got crucified
by some members of the media.
889
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,136
I got hammered by the "TV
Guide," which was
890
00:40:48,137 --> 00:40:49,792
a big publication back then.
891
00:40:49,793 --> 00:40:52,412
I had to do what
I had to do, and
892
00:40:52,413 --> 00:40:54,792
I don't regret it to this day.
893
00:40:54,793 --> 00:40:58,171
I firmly believe that when
the question comes up,
894
00:40:58,172 --> 00:41:01,447
are we journalists or citizens
first, we are citizens first.
895
00:41:01,448 --> 00:41:03,343
The public has a right to know.
896
00:41:03,344 --> 00:41:05,516
The jury has a right to know.
897
00:41:05,517 --> 00:41:07,999
Every mother and father
who have ever loved a child
898
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,481
have a right to know.
899
00:41:09,482 --> 00:41:11,274
The jury came back
about two days later
900
00:41:11,275 --> 00:41:12,931
and found him guilty
on all 10 murders.
901
00:41:16,206 --> 00:41:18,412
They always go
with the best cases.
902
00:41:18,413 --> 00:41:20,930
He was responsible
for more than 25.
903
00:41:20,931 --> 00:41:24,964
And then he was subsequently
held on four additional charges
904
00:41:24,965 --> 00:41:26,412
in Orange County.
905
00:41:26,413 --> 00:41:28,378
He got two separate
life sentences and,
906
00:41:28,379 --> 00:41:31,481
actually, capital punishment.
907
00:41:31,482 --> 00:41:34,826
When Bonin is
arrested, immediately,
908
00:41:34,827 --> 00:41:36,757
the first thing they
do is they winnow
909
00:41:36,758 --> 00:41:41,343
out the cases they know that
they believe Bonin committed.
910
00:41:41,344 --> 00:41:44,309
And quickly, within
a couple of weeks,
911
00:41:44,310 --> 00:41:47,343
St. John tells the press--
because there are articles
912
00:41:47,344 --> 00:41:49,723
saying, he killed 45 people.
913
00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:54,240
Based on our investigation
and incarceration
914
00:41:54,241 --> 00:41:56,757
of Bonin at these
times, we believe he was
915
00:41:56,758 --> 00:41:59,585
responsible for 22 murders.
916
00:41:59,586 --> 00:42:02,412
They know someone
else is out there.
917
00:42:02,413 --> 00:42:03,723
All of a sudden,
there are more
918
00:42:03,724 --> 00:42:05,136
bodies that are turning up.
919
00:42:05,137 --> 00:42:07,964
And the bodies are
really mutilated.
920
00:42:07,965 --> 00:42:11,999
And some of them are-- are
chopped up, genitals cut off,
921
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,516
found along various highways.
922
00:42:14,517 --> 00:42:15,895
What's going on?
923
00:42:19,862 --> 00:42:21,447
A Los Angeles judge
set an execution
924
00:42:21,448 --> 00:42:22,930
date today
for convicted freeway
925
00:42:22,931 --> 00:42:24,585
killer William George Bonin.
926
00:42:24,586 --> 00:42:27,516
Bonin was sentenced
to death for the 1982
927
00:42:27,517 --> 00:42:29,516
sex murders of 10 boys.
928
00:42:29,517 --> 00:42:31,205
The judge ordered
the former truck
929
00:42:31,206 --> 00:42:36,240
driver to die on June 23
in the San Quentin gas chamber.
930
00:42:36,241 --> 00:42:38,309
William Bonin had
been on death row
931
00:42:38,310 --> 00:42:40,067
more than a dozen
years and had gone
932
00:42:40,068 --> 00:42:42,757
through all sorts
of appeals, as is required
933
00:42:42,758 --> 00:42:47,033
for death penalty convictions,
when, in February of 1996,
934
00:42:47,034 --> 00:42:49,205
he was finally executed.
935
00:42:49,206 --> 00:42:54,205
He is put up as the poster
boy for capital punishment.
936
00:42:54,206 --> 00:42:57,895
There are protests outside
San Quentin saying,
937
00:42:57,896 --> 00:43:00,723
the death penalty is cruel
and unusual punishment.
938
00:43:00,724 --> 00:43:03,654
And then there's others,
like the victims' families
939
00:43:03,655 --> 00:43:06,619
who are in attendance,
who, you know,
940
00:43:06,620 --> 00:43:12,688
their lives have been wrecked
by this unrepentant guy.
941
00:43:12,689 --> 00:43:17,033
I was called as a witness for
the execution in San Quentin.
942
00:43:17,034 --> 00:43:19,895
It wasn't a celebration
because there were the mothers
943
00:43:19,896 --> 00:43:22,447
of victims, fathers,
and then, of course,
944
00:43:22,448 --> 00:43:25,102
a lot of the cops who were
involved in the investigation.
945
00:43:25,103 --> 00:43:27,136
And there were
probably 75 people,
946
00:43:27,137 --> 00:43:30,067
I think, total in the room.
947
00:43:30,068 --> 00:43:34,136
John St. John died 18 months
before the actual execution.
948
00:43:34,137 --> 00:43:38,102
And John had told me when
we first convicted Bonin---
949
00:43:38,103 --> 00:43:40,171
he said, I want you
to do me a favor.
950
00:43:40,172 --> 00:43:44,757
I might not be here if Bonin
ever does get executed.
951
00:43:44,758 --> 00:43:45,999
But I want you to do
something for me.
952
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,378
And I said, what's that?
953
00:43:47,379 --> 00:43:49,171
He says, I want you
to get up close.
954
00:43:49,172 --> 00:43:51,205
And I want you to say
something to him.
955
00:43:51,206 --> 00:43:53,309
And I said, okay, I'll do that.
956
00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:55,067
John told me what
he wanted me to say.
957
00:43:55,068 --> 00:43:57,930
So at the execution,
I'm in the room.
958
00:43:57,931 --> 00:43:59,481
Bonin is on a gurney.
959
00:43:59,482 --> 00:44:01,757
He's already gotten
the first stage of the--
960
00:44:01,758 --> 00:44:03,378
the lethal injection.
961
00:44:03,379 --> 00:44:04,930
And I didn't think
he'd hear me,
962
00:44:04,931 --> 00:44:06,895
but I had to fulfill
my promise to John.
963
00:44:06,896 --> 00:44:09,654
So I got up real close
to the window, and I said,
964
00:44:09,655 --> 00:44:11,550
adios, mother-[bleep].
965
00:44:18,482 --> 00:44:20,240
Orange County
investigators are
966
00:44:20,241 --> 00:44:23,033
dealing with a possible mass
murderer and a list of victims
967
00:44:23,034 --> 00:44:24,999
that continues to get longer.
968
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,481
The bodies continue to pile
up in Southern California.
969
00:44:29,482 --> 00:44:31,309
The madness has not ended.
970
00:44:31,310 --> 00:44:33,412
I didn't actually feel I was
getting the job done because we
971
00:44:33,413 --> 00:44:35,033
were having so many of them.
972
00:44:35,034 --> 00:44:36,585
And just when they thought
they'd have something,
973
00:44:36,586 --> 00:44:38,205
another body would show up.
974
00:44:38,206 --> 00:44:39,757
And we're going back
and looking at the chart.
975
00:44:39,758 --> 00:44:41,309
We're saying, wait
a minute, there
976
00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:42,412
might be a third guy
here, because that MO was
977
00:44:42,413 --> 00:44:44,033
even a little bit different.
978
00:44:44,034 --> 00:44:47,309
He was the most sadistic
out of all of them.
979
00:44:47,310 --> 00:44:50,102
The details about
how they died--
980
00:44:50,103 --> 00:44:55,171
nothing can match
the sickening descriptions.
981
00:44:55,172 --> 00:44:57,619
It's like a trilogy of terror
with these three guys.
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