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Orange County
investigators are
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dealing with a possible mass
murderer and a list of victims
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that continues to get longer.
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People start finding
bodies along the highway.
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These young men are
just disappearing.
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What in the name of God
is going on out there?
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The California of the 1960s
was the freewheeling summer
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of love in San Francisco.
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All these people all
over the United States
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were drawn to Los
Angeles, Hollywood.
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There are predatory
people who can take
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advantage of people like that.
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Investigators are still
going over the records
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of eight murder cases.
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The papers were just
flooded with these murders.
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His killings were
so horrific that even
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the seasoned detectives had
a hard time listening to it
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and looking at the evidence.
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He had sex with these men
sometimes before, oftentimes
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after he killed them.
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There were beheadings.
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There were victims that had
tree branches that were rammed
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up inside of the victims.
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As soon as you
get one of those,
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this isn't something random.
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This guy is going to do more.
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This is the 33rd
killing of the same
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type in the last few months.
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This is just
one of 41 murders
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of teenage boys in five
Southern California counties
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over the past eight years.
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We're not just dealing
with one serial killer here.
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Some other psychopath
is out there.
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It's like a trilogy
of terror with these guys.
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I couldn't
believe anybody that
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could do something so evil.
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He very much
enjoyed torturing
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and killing these young boys.
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He loved the sound and he
loved the terror in their face.
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He spent a lot
of time cruising
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around Hollywood
Boulevard for hitchhikers.
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A lot of times, it was
the drive to their death.
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In the '60s and '70s, Los
Angeles County was actually
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agricultural and middle class.
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You know, a lot of citrus
growing is still going on.
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Industries coming in, aircraft
industries, for example,
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and that's where a lot
of the workers would live.
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I grew up in El Segundo,
California, so right here
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in the LA area, just south
of the LAX big airport and
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the beach cities.
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Nice place.
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Like, when I was growing up,
you'd go out in the morning,
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and you didn't
have to come home
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until the streetlights
went on, you know, and
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your parents just-- you
know, you know you're out,
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but just be home by dinner.
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You know, it was kind of a very
safe place to grow up.
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You know, kids
played on the block.
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It was just a very,
very sweet town.
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The California of the 1960s
was the freewheeling,
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beads and music, the Summer of
Love in San Francisco in 1967.
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The sense that we were
in the age of Aquarius,
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that everything was
going to be beautiful and
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wonderful and peaceful.
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Well, the phrase
about peace and love
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didn't necessarily
apply to gay people.
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Most of the gay scene in LA
was centered around downtown.
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The gay culture that
existed was not meant to be
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noticed by straight society.
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Gay bars were like speakeasies.
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They did not
advertise themselves.
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You usually needed
a special knock or
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some kind of a password
to get into them.
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They were owned by mafias
and criminal syndicates.
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Any kind of gay
socializing had to be
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done very carefully, because
there were laws against it.
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That looks innocent
enough, doesn't it?
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Lots of young people
hitchhike, but
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sometimes there are
dangers involved
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that never meet the eye.
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Let's take the case
of Jimmy Barnes.
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Jimmy played baseball
all afternoon,
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and he didn't feel
like walking home,
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so he decided to thumb a ride.
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There's this
fascinating film that
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came out called "Boys Beware".
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It's kind of a classic old
movie from the '60s warning
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kids not to get in cars
with older men, because they
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might be homosexuals.
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What Jimmy didn't know
was that Ralph was sick,
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a sickness that was not
visible like smallpox,
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but no less dangerous
and contagious,
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A sickness of the mind.
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You see, Ralph
was a homosexual.
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The film completely
conflates being a pedophile
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and being a homosexual
together as if they're
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one and the same thing.
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And we kind of watch
it now and think,
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oh, God, the language
they're using is terrible
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and it's very anti-gay.
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But one of the most
remarkable things about it
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is just this
hitchhiking culture,
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of-- of just hitching a ride
home with whoever picks you up,
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and the vulnerabilities
with that.
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If you're going
from Kentucky, you
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might be able to exist in a
small town as a queer person,
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but you wouldn't have any
real sense of community there.
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And so LA or New York,
but especially LA,
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there's this big,
giant community
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that is just coming
out of the shadows,
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and things you only imagined
happening to yourself
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are just a bus ticket away.
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And that is very
alluring at that time.
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If all you have is
your bus ticket and
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a little change
in your pocket, then
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you have to figure out how
to live and how to survive.
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Because of the public
attitude towards gay people,
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a lot of young men that
came out to their families
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would get thrown
out of the house,
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and so they'd be
living on the streets.
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They were young, they
were in their teens,
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so they couldn't get a job.
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They couldn't find
work, so a lot of them
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would resort
to prostitution, hustling,
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which made them vulnerable
to a lot of dangers.
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By the early 1970s, we're
seeing a rash of what looked
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like random murders,
opportunity murders,
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young men picked up along
the highway or in bars
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or just on the street,
murdered,
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and then their bodies dumped.
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It was really
a disturbing trend.
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As the body count
started to increase,
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these corpses found
along freeways,
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in trash bags, industrial trash
bags, are these connected?
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Is there one person
responsible for all
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of these dead bodies around the
Southern California freeways?
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Well, it began for me
when I was out in Riverside
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in Banning, which was
an outlying area halfway
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between LA and Palm Springs.
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The sheriff's department
came in with some evidence
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they wanted to look at.
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They were suspicious that they
had some connected homicides--
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all men, all nude, most,
if not all, shot in the head
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with a .22 caliber bullet.
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It is the desert.
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And some of these bodies
were dismembered and found
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in heavy duty,
thick plastic bags
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with drawstrings, not the kind
you buy at the grocery store.
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The media started dubbing
him the trash bag killer.
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So often, you find
multiple murder victims who
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do have something in common.
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They may know one another.
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They may live
in the same neighborhood.
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That was not the case here.
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These are young men who lived
all across Southern California.
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And, gradually,
investigators began
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to put together characteristics
that they did have in common.
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Many of them were
teens, early 20s.
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They were perceived
to be gay, if not gay.
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Los Angeles has never
had a good metropolitan
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transportation area.
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You can't get
on a subway here and
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be somewhere in 20
minutes like you
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can in any other major city.
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You know, the bus system, you
know, it's just not conducive.
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So back in those days,
carefree, you thumbed a ride.
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And people would hop in pickup
trucks, cars, whatever.
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It didn't matter.
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I am the youngest of seven.
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I had older
brothers and sisters
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that I could see as I looked
back as I got older, yeah,
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they were part
of that hippie era.
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John is number five
out of the seven.
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He's eight years older than me.
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He was into the party
scene, smoking pot and
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doing your drinking and going
out with your buddies
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to do that.
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Again, that was, like,
the influence of the time.
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John and my brothers
and sisters
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all did the hitchhiking thing.
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There are a lot of things
that can go wrong,
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the worst of which
would be that you
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thumbed a ride, got into a van
with a serial killer.
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The bodies are found.
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They're sometimes
along highways.
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But there's nothing found
around them, just the body.
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There's no evidence.
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And then we realized,
they weren't killed there.
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They were killed
at some other location,
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and their body is
just dumped somewhere.
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That causes a real problem
for the police department,
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because who
investigates a homicide?
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It's where the crime occurred,
where the killing occurred.
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Where the bodies were found
is not where they were killed.
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Some of the bodies
were up in Malibu.
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They were in Ventura, some
places in San Bernardino.
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We say Southern California
as if it's one place,
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and it is in the sense
of expanse,
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but it's not in terms of police
and how they regard this.
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In the county of Los
Angeles alone,
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back then, you would have had
at least five dozen cities
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in different jurisdictions,
different police,
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sheriffs' departments,
investigators, all of them
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divided up according
to their political boundaries,
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their city limits,
and not necessarily
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talking to one
another or comparing
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notes about these
bodies that were
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turning up all over the place.
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By the mid-1970s,
law enforcement
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knew they had to get
together and compare
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notes on these victims.
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The detectives came
together in Orange County
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and started discussing
the commonality
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between these cases.
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There were definite patterns.
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They were all shot.
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They were shot above the temple
in the back of the head.
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He just used
a little .22 derringer
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to shoot them on the left
side of their head
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with a .22 derringer that
had a right hand twist.
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The twist on the caliber is
just another piece of evidence
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that they're all the same.
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The left side of the head was
important, because it indicates
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a right-handed person.
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Derringers hold
two shots, and
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it may sound like
it's small and,
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oh, what damage can that do?
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But they take these long range
...22 caliber rifle rounds,
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really, and if you get
the hollow point version,
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it causes a tremendous amount
of damage at close range.
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This is why
derringers would be so
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effective if you're trying to
surprise someone and kill them.
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Detectives deal with
rotten people all the time,
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but not of this magnitude.
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I mean, how guys like
this exist, I don't know.
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He had sex with these men,
sometimes before, oftentimes
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after he killed them.
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He would cut orifices in their
body and have sex with them.
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He would remove their pubic
hair on occasion,
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experiment with them.
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There was no evidence
of physical torture.
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They were all
postmortem wounds.
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He would hit these bodies
after they were dead--
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wouldn't hit them beforehand.
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He somehow was
able to dismember,
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and as the autopsy surgeon
said, disarticulate, because it
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was-- it was expertly done.
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Most people would not be
able to do that very neatly.
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He did it like a surgeon,
like a butcher.
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He knew exactly where
the joints were, how to cut
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and take apart these bodies.
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The pattern
started to emerge,
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and detectives started
thinking, uh-oh,
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we have a serial killer.
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Investigators
in Riverside County
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are still going over the
records of eight murder cases,
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which may be the start
of a bloody trail of 40
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or more homosexual killings.
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Mutilated remains
of five young men
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have been found in three
other counties since 1975.
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John was, I would
say, a bit different.
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He was artsy, very
internal, introspective.
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I have a brother that's
six years older than me,
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and then John's two
years older than him.
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I did share a room with John
and Joe, which, trust me,
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that wasn't great at times.
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Trying to scare me
at night, you know.
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I remember the flashlight
on the ceiling and the, ah,
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you know.
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He had the most problems.
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I think my parents,
I would say,
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seemed like they had
the most trouble with him,
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because he was always
threatening to run away.
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There was a lot
of tension, I remember
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that, between my mom and dad
and John as a teenager.
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You know, because I
was sharing a room,
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I remember him
being in the room
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and just threatening to leave.
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I do remember the last
time I saw him.
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My parents were gone.
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00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,599
He was kind of in charge of me,
along with my other brother.
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John fed me a hot dog.
283
00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,719
I knew that he was
supposed to get me dinner
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before he goes anywhere.
285
00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,399
And then Joe was
there, remembers
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00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,599
my brother getting
picked up, and
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I-- that's a memory I
have pretty distinctly.
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I remember being at home,
sitting in the living room,
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and I could see
Mom and Dad were
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00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,039
upset because John did not
come home the night before,
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00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,759
because that's unusual.
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Even with his partying, he'd
always come home at night.
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And so they woke up
to him not being there.
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And, of course, I'm seeing
this, and they're panicked.
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The next thing I know,
my dad's on the phone
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with the police department
and reporting him missing.
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00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,439
You know, we have
a missing 17-year-old son.
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I remember that scared me.
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I remember, this is not right,
even though I knew there was
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tension in the relationship.
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00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:11,279
Part of my thought maybe back
then was maybe he finally,
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00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,719
actually did run away,
because I remember
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00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,240
him always threatening that.
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00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,919
For the detectives,
the list was just
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00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,839
getting longer and longer,
and by this time,
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00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,959
the body count was alarming.
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Somebody's doing this.
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00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:33,839
He's loose.
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00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,279
He's doing a lot of them.
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It's dangerous.
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This became such a matter of
concern that a local newspaper
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offered a reward of $2,000,
which doesn't sound like much
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00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,959
now, but a considerable
amount then,
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$2,000 for the arrest
and conviction of whoever
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00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,359
had picked up,
murdered, mutilated,
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00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:58,119
dismembered these young men.
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00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:02,559
There was Ronald Dean Smith
Jr. He was just five years old.
318
00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,359
They found his body
in October 1974.
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00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:10,279
The medical examiner ruled
that he had been suffocated.
320
00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,999
Larry Gene Walters, 20,
killed October 31st, 1975.
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00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,439
Found less than
two weeks later.
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00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,519
Again, shot, dismembered
in a trash bag.
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00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,319
Michael Craig McGhee,
just 13, in June 1976,
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00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,599
shot in the back of the head,
sodomized, dismembered.
325
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,519
Wilfred Lawrence
Faherty, 20 years old,
326
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:37,319
killed in August of '76,
shot in the back of the head.
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00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,519
Detectives were tearing
their hair out at this point,
328
00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,160
and then, all
of a sudden, a break.
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00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,639
18th of March, 1977,
another body is found,
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this near Corona, California.
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00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,199
That is in Riverside County.
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It's missing its head.
333
00:18:58,640 --> 00:18:59,999
It's missing its hands.
334
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,359
It's been sodomized
post mortem.
335
00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:06,879
His body was found in a large
trash bag in a barrel,
336
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,719
and it was at a rest stop.
337
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,560
And they started asking around.
338
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,279
The next day, it
was pretty quick.
339
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,919
It wasn't a long
time in between.
340
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,319
And I remember
my dad got a call
341
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,599
back from probably the police
department at that point.
342
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,839
I'm only hearing-- I'm only
seeing my dad on the phone
343
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,319
and hearing him, and I just
hear him repeat back what they
344
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:37,639
said, that he might be dead.
345
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,319
That's kind of what
I remember hearing.
346
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,039
Like, what do you mean dead?
347
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,519
Like just something like that,
just the way he responded.
348
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,319
By then, maybe looking
back, they actually
349
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,039
maybe found somebody and--
350
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,239
but they didn't want to say
for sure this was him
351
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,599
until they did some
investigative work,
352
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,319
you know, which was having
my parents, you know,
353
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,079
basically go down to the police
department in Corona,
354
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,959
give blood tests,
and identify a birthmark
355
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,559
that my brother
did have, which was
356
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,119
found when they found a body.
357
00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:20,559
My family overnight changed.
358
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,959
There was safety, there
was freedom, there was fun.
359
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:23,959
We're loving.
360
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,439
We're hanging out.
361
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,559
And then John's murderer
made victims of us all.
362
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,439
And I can imagine,
as I got older,
363
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,559
and what guilt they
might have felt
364
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,359
in not having better tabs
on their son at-- you know,
365
00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,399
he's 17, it was
a different time.
366
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,079
But again, you're in El
Segundo and everything.
367
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,519
Everything should
be free and fine.
368
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,359
But, you know, I thought
about that later and
369
00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,639
the guilt that was probably
going on as well, that they
370
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,759
didn't watch out for him.
371
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,039
As a kid, I'm not
being told anything,
372
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,999
which I think was a bad thing,
because I never got sat down.
373
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,439
This is what's going on.
374
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,519
And I get it.
375
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,839
My parents were in a frenzy.
376
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:06,519
I know, okay, John was
murdered, and John knew him.
377
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,639
I knew that pretty
early on, that it
378
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,679
wasn't just some stranger
that picked up John.
379
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,519
This person actually
built a kind
380
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,040
of a relationship with John
before this even happened.
381
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,839
Once they have
a name, police can
382
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,639
start working backwards
to his friends,
383
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,559
to Lamay's friends,
his family, who he met,
384
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,399
when he may have met them.
385
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,599
They said he told them he was
going to Redondo Beach, which
386
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,159
is just to the west
of Corona, to meet
387
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,840
two people named Pat and Dave.
388
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,479
This is when they
started looking
389
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,279
closer at Patrick Kearney.
390
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,639
They go to interview Patrick
Kearney and his roommate
391
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,920
and lover, Dave Hill.
392
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,959
Well, we're now
in northern Redondo Beach,
393
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,719
one of the nicest areas
of the Los Angeles area.
394
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,839
And this is Robinson Street.
395
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,439
Patrick Kearney lived here.
396
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,799
He bought the house in 1969.
397
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,639
He never did much.
398
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,719
He was very quiet.
399
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,599
And we had people
who worked here.
400
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,199
There was a little store here.
401
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,639
He would come across
here and he would
402
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,039
ask the man about knives.
403
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,719
He wanted to buy
knives and he wanted
404
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,239
to know what was good steel.
405
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,799
And he would come
to the market,
406
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,639
but he never bought the knives.
407
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,719
But the owner of the store
always wondered, why
408
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,799
was he interested in knives?
409
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,639
Well, now we know that he
had to cut up a lot of bodies
410
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,839
and chop a lot
of bones, and he needed
411
00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:00,719
a strong knife that would
be able to dissect people.
412
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,599
We went to his house.
413
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:08,319
It wasn't a gaily lit,
bright, open, sunny house.
414
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,839
It was dark, a little
bit showing its age
415
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,759
in terms of cleanliness.
416
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,519
And maybe this is
just my imagination,
417
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,919
but when I went in there,
it felt oppressive.
418
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,319
The police interviewed him.
419
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,599
Do you know John Lamay?
Where has he been?
420
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,879
Who else has he been seen with?
421
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,319
Have you seen him lately?
422
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,039
Kearney denies knowing Lamay.
423
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,399
Doesn't admit to any
connection with the teenager.
424
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,119
Police officers notice
that the carpet is green,
425
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:39,119
and they know
there's green fibers
426
00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,919
found on some of these bags.
427
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,319
One of the officers scuffs
his feet on the carpet.
428
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:51,439
Another officer pets
a dog and take some hair.
429
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,999
Those things match.
430
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,079
So now they're focused
on Patrick Kearney.
431
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,399
On that team is Faye Springer,
a criminalist, myself,
432
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,799
two police officers,
and some uniformed officers,
433
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,359
and they gather up lots
of different evidence.
434
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,599
Faye Springer goes
to the vacuum cleaner,
435
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,279
immediately empties
its contents.
436
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,879
She finds a hacksaw.
437
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,759
She sprays luminol
in the bathroom,
438
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,559
sees evidence of blood.
439
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:28,359
There's a deteriorating
faucet with chrome plating
440
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,719
being flaked off.
441
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,559
She recalls that one
of the bags containing
442
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,759
a body, not John Lamay, had
similar shiny little pieces
443
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,279
of metal.
444
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,999
She's thinking maybe
there's a connection.
445
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,279
They find a stash
of micro plastic bags
446
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,479
with drawstrings at the house.
447
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,919
These aren't useful
for anything other
448
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,039
than heavy
industrial type work.
449
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,079
And we did a search warrant
for Kearney's house.
450
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,959
So we go to the house
to execute the search warrant,
451
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,319
and Patrick Kearney is gone.
452
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,040
He's disappeared.
453
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,119
And that's when the warrants
were issued for the arrest
454
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:19,280
of both of them.
455
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,399
Pat Kearney was born
in East Los Angeles in 1939,
456
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,519
just as the war
in Europe was beginning.
457
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,439
He wasn't the most robust kid.
458
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,159
When he grew up, kids
picked on him, bullied him.
459
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,199
A few called him queer,
and supposedly he had fantasies
460
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,919
about skinning people--
461
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,639
sick, distorted fantasies.
462
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,319
His dad, he claimed,
was kind of an absent dad.
463
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,159
Wasn't really participating
much in his life.
464
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,799
Mom was good, but Mom was
more paying attention to dad.
465
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,039
But he had two siblings
that were normal
466
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,359
and had good careers.
467
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,079
One was an Army officer.
468
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,559
Allegedly, his father
taught him how to shoot.
469
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,079
He was very, very
proficient at killing.
470
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,199
Because as a child, he
had learned the best way
471
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,039
to kill a pig instantly is to
shoot them right in the head,
472
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,639
near the ear.
473
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,439
And he had learned,
if you do that, the person
474
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,319
would-- there would not be any
resistance from that point on.
475
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,999
He ended up moving
to Texas for a while,
476
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,999
and came back and started
work at Hughes Aircraft.
477
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,879
By then, Los Angeles was
an immense powerhouse
478
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,079
of the defense industry
and the aircraft industry,
479
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,279
and so he found
a job pretty quickly.
480
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,959
Which to me means that
he had some intelligence
481
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,039
and some work ethic about him.
482
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,159
Hughes Aircraft was
an early manufacturer.
483
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,239
It had lots
of different divisions,
484
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,359
so I think he had to have
somewhat himself on the ball
485
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,159
to get a job and hold
a job like that.
486
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,599
In the process, he
would meet various people,
487
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,279
and he had a gay
partner, David Hill,
488
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,599
he met when he was in Texas.
489
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,559
And they both came back
to Redondo Beach area,
490
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,039
lived in the beach
area as a couple.
491
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,119
And as time went by,
they had, you know,
492
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:25,079
differences, and sometimes
David Hill would leave,
493
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,319
and then Kearney
would be on his own.
494
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,039
At that time, he would start
trolling, driving around.
495
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,240
He had a VW.
496
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,319
Having grown up in East Los
Angeles, he also spoke Spanish,
497
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,559
and this and his knowledge
of Latino culture
498
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,839
he supposedly used
to his advantage
499
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,159
when he was cruising around in
gay neighborhoods from Tijuana
500
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,519
up to Southern California.
501
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,399
He would pick up hitchhikers,
anybody he could find,
502
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,919
young male, and entice them
into his car, his little VW,
503
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,639
drive them around.
504
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,319
And then he would
reach into the back
505
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,799
and pull out a .22
caliber derringer,
506
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,239
and when the person had
turned his head to the right,
507
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,119
he would shoot him right
in the side of the head
508
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,559
at the temple, which
made it kind of strange.
509
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,159
You shoot a person in your car.
510
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,879
Now what are you
going to do with them?
511
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,119
He would drive
to an isolated area,
512
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,999
pull over, and then
have sexual relations,
513
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,719
necrophilia, which
is kind of strange.
514
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,799
Why would a person do that?
515
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,239
What is the satisfaction
they're gaining out of that?
516
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,399
Is it because he has killed
the person who he thinks
517
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,199
could have been a bully to him?
518
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,119
Is there a sexual reason why
he does commit these crimes?
519
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,439
That was his MO, and he would
do it time and time again,
520
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,319
pick up either a hitchhiker or
somebody near a gay community,
521
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,759
have them sit in the car.
522
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,279
And then, when they
weren't looking,
523
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,639
he would shoot him in the head.
524
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,279
Patrick Kearney opened his
house to these young men,
525
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:05,159
so it was known in the gay
community that Patrick was--
526
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,399
and David Hill, his roommate--
were gay and would welcome
527
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,919
people over, and so it was
not unusual for him to be
528
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,119
entertaining young men
in his house, not all
529
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,440
of which he killed, of course.
530
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,919
He was not strong enough to
overpower some of his victims,
531
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,439
which is why he shot them.
532
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,919
But afterwards, he
would beat their bodies,
533
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,959
mutilate their bodies,
violate their bodies
534
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,879
in a necrophilic fashion
as a kind of punishment
535
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,239
after death for the things that
he had suffered growing up.
536
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,719
Pat Kearney was
a pre-war generation
537
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:48,359
and was very closeted, and also
lived in a time when to be gay
538
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:54,119
was in itself regarded
as a sick-- a criminal offense.
539
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,839
A lot of gay people
grow up with a lot
540
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,399
of internalized self-loathing.
541
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,839
And even if you come
to accept yourself,
542
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,279
you have this internal struggle
that you've been picked on,
543
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,959
you've been bullied, you've
been afraid of yourself
544
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,479
because of your own feelings.
545
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,759
I mean, up until
1973, being gay was
546
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,639
considered a mental illness.
547
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,679
So if you're growing
up before that time
548
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,799
and look it up in a book,
you think, God,
549
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,159
this means I'm sick.
550
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,599
This means I should
go to a doctor.
551
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,199
And you internalize this.
552
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,599
And he might have this sense
that by killing other men, and
553
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,679
other gay men in particular,
he might be killing
554
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,640
the gayness in himself.
555
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,279
The thing that strikes me
about Patrick Wayne Kearney
556
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,399
is how careful, at least
in the early years of killing,
557
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,999
that he was.
558
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,519
He would remove the bullet
from his victim in order
559
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,079
not to allow it to be
traced to his gun,
560
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,519
and he would take
other measures.
561
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,639
You know, clean things
off so that fingerprints
562
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,999
would not be apparent and it
wouldn't be tracked to him.
563
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,279
So he seemed to be
smarter than maybe
564
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,599
the average serial
killer, at least at first.
565
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,639
But as his pace
increased in killing,
566
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,879
things happen
and you get sloppy
567
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,319
and you leave more clues.
568
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,879
He was an electrical
engineer, and
569
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,959
he paid attention
to details and
570
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,439
tried not to leave
clues that would
571
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,359
make it easy
for detectives to find him.
572
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:35,039
That's a cold-hearted,
dispassionate, dangerous,
573
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,399
obviously, personality.
574
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,399
There's no way to tell.
575
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,839
He's not an enraged person.
576
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,799
He's not attacking
and violently doing--
577
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,119
he's sneaky.
578
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,839
He sneaks up
behind his victims.
579
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,039
They don't know what's coming.
580
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,519
He doesn't torture them.
581
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,639
He doesn't beat them
until they're dead.
582
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,719
And that kind of fit
with his personality,
583
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,439
kind of quiet and unassuming.
584
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,679
Nobody at Hughes
Aircraft had any idea
585
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,120
that he was this monster.
586
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,919
It was the next day
that Patrick Kearney
587
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,559
went over to Hughes
Aircraft and he resigned.
588
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,999
He-- he left.
589
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,839
And he got his paycheck,
his last paycheck.
590
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,599
He and David Hill
headed to Texas,
591
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,879
and they ended up
in El Paso, Texas.
592
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,159
The reason they
left was because they
593
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,440
knew at the interview
the police were getting close.
594
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,119
There's nationwide bulletins,
the FBI's most wanted list.
595
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,759
Every law enforcement
agency in the country
596
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,679
has got the paperwork on them.
597
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,999
And then they were contacted
by their relatives and said,
598
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,759
hey, you can work this out.
599
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,359
It can be worked out.
600
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,799
It just-- come back, talk
to the police, you know,
601
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,999
explain what happened.
602
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,039
And they did.
603
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,359
They came back.
604
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,199
And what was
interesting about that,
605
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,479
they came back
to the Riverside headquarters
606
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,959
of the sheriff's department.
607
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,199
They went in there
to the reception area.
608
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,159
They said to the desk officer,
we're here to turn ourselves
609
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,999
in to talk to the police.
610
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,679
And they pointed to a poster on
the wall and said, that's us.
611
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,599
To be honest with you,
I was quite surprised.
612
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,439
It's a hot afternoon.
613
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,999
I get a call, hey, we've got
Patrick Kearney and David Hill.
614
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,799
Okay, well,
how did that happen?
615
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,519
I mean, if you were on to them
you were chasing them down,
616
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,839
how come I wasn't informed?
617
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,239
What the-- what's
going on here?
618
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,599
And, obviously, no one
knew what was happening.
619
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,440
They just walked
in and turned themselves in.
620
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,999
The interview takes place
within 15 or 20 minutes.
621
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,519
We start-- we record it.
622
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,199
He's advised of his rights.
623
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,560
I was able to interview
him for hours.
624
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,519
Two men, Patrick
Kearney and David Hill,
625
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,119
wanted for questioning
in two murders,
626
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,719
surrendered here last Friday.
627
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,999
Officers also wanted
to talk to them about five
628
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,439
other similar killings.
629
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,319
Mutilated remains
of five young men
630
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,879
have been found in three
other counties since 1975.
631
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,959
But Sheriff Ben Clark says
the two led his investigators
632
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,359
to believe the suspects
may be responsible for 30
633
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,159
to 40 killings.
634
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,519
The sheriff isn't sure the
final toll will be that high.
635
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,119
I didn't know what to expect.
636
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,839
He presents himself
as mild mannered.
637
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,639
He's just quiet,
reserved, polite,
638
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,640
and it's a little
bit frightening.
639
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,759
He has nothing about
his facade that
640
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,079
would give you any
inkling at all that
641
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,399
he invites young men
over to his house,
642
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,399
puts a derringer
to their head, kills
643
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,079
them, unbeknownst to them,
catching them by surprise.
644
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,519
According to him,
almost a monthly basis
645
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,239
during the last
couple of years.
646
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,959
The agreement was,
and these are tough decisions,
647
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,639
Kearney said, okay, you take
the death penalty off the table
648
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,959
and I'll tell you where
all the bodies are.
649
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,919
So the prosecutor
had a tough decision
650
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,119
for the families
of all those victims,
651
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,199
and we're talking
a lot, 20, 30, 40.
652
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,919
Is it beneficial to get the
remains of all of those victims
653
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,519
so they can be
buried properly, how
654
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,359
the family would
like it to be done,
655
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,679
or should you go
for the death penalty?
656
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,439
The decision was made
by the district attorney
657
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,239
of San Bernardino
and the other locations, okay,
658
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,839
it would be fine to take the
death penalty off the table,
659
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,639
allow him to plead guilty.
660
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,759
Patrick Kearney
started to sing.
661
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,879
He sang about the whole
thing from the beginning.
662
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,399
The purpose of my being
at the interview
663
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:10,400
was mostly an expected but not
forthcoming insanity defense.
664
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,799
So I wanted to find out
if that was-- that was really
665
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,679
a viable issue with him.
666
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,999
My doubt was erased immediately
during the interview
667
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,799
when I asked him about
the first one he did.
668
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,759
When he described the first
body that he had disposed of,
669
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,359
the first one he
killed, he said,
670
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,959
the guy's name was George,
and I dumped him off
671
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,279
in Van Nuys Avenue
and buried him
672
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,600
under a garage 15 years ago.
673
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,879
He drew us a map of where
the body supposedly was.
674
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,839
Well, obviously, the interview
is being recorded.
675
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,439
The LAPD is on their way to dig
this thing up within minutes,
676
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,319
unbeknownst to him.
677
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,759
And they went to this garage,
they looked, they had the map,
678
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,159
and they found a box
of bones with a skull that
679
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,479
had hacksaw blade marks in it.
680
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,279
Kearney described
the fact that he'd
681
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,959
taken the bullet out of the
man's skull with a hacksaw.
682
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:16,159
That gave him some credibility
in terms of him claiming
683
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,359
to have killed so many people.
684
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,079
And when you ask him, well,
Patrick, why would you have
685
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,919
sex with the body afterwards?
686
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,279
He says, well, there's
no reasonable explanation
687
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,839
for that.
688
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,519
You know, I understand
it's kind of bizarre.
689
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,439
And he gives a perfectly
rational answer.
690
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,760
The fact that he's so
nonchalant about it is scary.
691
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,519
We had the M'Naghten test
back then for insanity,
692
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,279
and it basically is
knowing right from wrong.
693
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,959
He absolutely knew
right from wrong.
694
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,519
He-- he was embarrassed by it.
695
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,359
He was a little bit
reluctant to talk
696
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,439
about the details of his sexual
behavior because of that.
697
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,479
And he says, sometimes
I did it, didn't do it.
698
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,439
Sometimes I got mad and did it,
and sometimes I didn't do it.
699
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,439
So he could control
his actions.
700
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,759
Legally defining
somebody insane
701
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,359
is different than
what you and I say.
702
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,959
There's something
wrong with that guy.
703
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,879
Everybody would agree there's
something wrong with that.
704
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,999
It's so out of touch with
normal human behavior.
705
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,679
But to meet
the legal definition
706
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,320
of insanity, pretty tough.
707
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,439
He kept his word.
708
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,799
He showed where all
the bodies were.
709
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,759
Now, not all the bodies were
found, because some of them
710
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,599
were not necessarily
put in trash bags.
711
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,919
Some were buried.
712
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,759
John Lamay was found without
a head, hands, or feet,
713
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,639
and those were never found.
714
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,919
Patrick Kearney later told us
that we would never find those,
715
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,679
because he put them
in commercial trash bins
716
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,119
at McDonald's and Wendy's.
717
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,919
And once they're gone
off to the trash,
718
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,559
as Patrick Kearney said, they
spend millions of dollars
719
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,599
getting rid of that.
720
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,279
You'll never find them.
721
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,439
I knew that he was dumped
on the side of a highway.
722
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,159
I knew John was murdered.
723
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,999
I didn't realize who he
was really murdered by,
724
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,719
and the scope of this
man was 15 years of doing
725
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,719
this and getting away with it.
726
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:27,239
And do it so methodically,
to cut the hands off
727
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,839
and the head off so that they
couldn't actually identify him
728
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,159
with fingerprints, I
couldn't believe anybody that
729
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,000
could do something so evil.
730
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,279
At the same time that these
trash bag murders were being
731
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,039
committed, Kearney was
in a long-term relationship,
732
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,959
not necessarily monogamous,
but a long term relationship,
733
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,719
cohabiting, and this was for
a period of almost 10 years.
734
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:59,319
And Hill evidently had no part
and no knowledge of anything
735
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,319
that was going on that
Kearney was doing
736
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,959
as this violent serial killer.
737
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,719
We know that he shot
Mr. Lamay in his own house,
738
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,199
but what happened after
that, how he concealed
739
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,039
this life from his lover, the
man he was living with for so
740
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,680
many years, is a mystery.
741
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,799
Patrick confessed
to everything
742
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,439
and had a credible
confession, pointing
743
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,719
out somebody that he had
killed 15 years ago and buried.
744
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,519
No one knew anything about it.
745
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,639
And Hill denied
anything, and Kearney
746
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,439
said that Hill had
nothing to do with it
747
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,439
and didn't know, was gone
sometimes for weeks at a time.
748
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,239
Maybe he suspected,
but he didn't know.
749
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,439
Sounds pretty incredible
to me that you wouldn't know,
750
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,919
but having knowledge of it
and participating in it
751
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,399
and having to prove it
are two different things.
752
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,119
I mean, the grand jury
didn't indict him.
753
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,960
There wasn't sufficient
evidence connecting him.
754
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,959
Patrick Kearney's
charged with first degree
755
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,799
murder in Riverside.
756
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,119
He and his attorney have an
argument over how to proceed,
757
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,679
and he had him examined.
758
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,679
Wants to put forth
a mental defense.
759
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,399
But Patrick wouldn't do it,
and he did not want to--
760
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,719
to claim that he was insane or
that he had diminished capacity
761
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,319
or he couldn't
control his actions.
762
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,959
I don't think he would
have won on that anyway.
763
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,479
We brought him back to court.
764
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,439
He pled guilty and then
went to each county
765
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,359
and pled guilty to all
the ones that law
766
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,679
enforcement could document and
make sure that he was the one.
767
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,799
It wasn't just random, willy
nilly, there's 50 bodies
768
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,439
and let's just tag
him with everything.
769
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,119
You've got to be
careful about it.
770
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,239
It was a difficult thing to do.
771
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,879
A lot of them were
not absolutely
772
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,239
identified by forensic means.
773
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,039
Some of them, I mean,
they were so old,
774
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,199
there's nothing but bones.
775
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,799
We have missing
persons reports.
776
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,479
We know Patrick Kearney said,
these are the people I killed,
777
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,719
and he confessed.
778
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:02,239
That's why we ended up--
779
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:08,199
he says, quite credibly,
30 to 40 men he
780
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,759
killed, and pled guilty to 21.
781
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,759
He's sentenced
to consecutive sentences.
782
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,639
He went to San Quentin.
783
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,039
There he sat quietly.
784
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,959
He never appealed anything.
785
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,039
He just served his time.
786
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,839
I received one letter from him.
787
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,639
He hinted at wanting
to play chess.
788
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,679
I remember my mom saying that
the one thing she's thankful
789
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,439
for in all of this
that came out
790
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,439
was that John's death
caught this monster.
791
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,359
You can imagine
the task force
792
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,999
opened the champagne, said,
thank goodness that's over.
793
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,879
We have taken care
of this monster who
794
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,319
has been dumping bodies
along the freeways
795
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,399
after murdering them.
796
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,239
There was such a relief.
797
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:58,999
It was over.
798
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,159
The community is safe.
799
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,839
However, more bodies
are showing up.
800
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,839
And then more bodies turn
up, and yet more bodies.
801
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,919
And you can imagine
what they were thinking.
802
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,839
Could we have two people
like this out there?
803
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,239
This is the 33rd
killing of the same
804
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:23,399
type in the last few months.
805
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,239
If they thought
that it was over,
806
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:29,200
well, they were wrong, because
the madness was just beginning.
807
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:40,279
The bodies just kept piling up
at a very disturbing frequency.
808
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,599
This killer was relentless.
809
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,679
Young hitchhiking kids
are being picked up, raped,
810
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,879
strangled, and dumped naked.
811
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,519
There's no evidence
left behind.
812
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,199
Today, the nude
body of a teenage boy
813
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,639
was found propped up
against a back alley door.
814
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,119
He had been choked to death.
815
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,199
A witness said
she saw a hitchhiker
816
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,439
gassed and pulled into a van.
817
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,279
They showed us a board,
and there were probably
818
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,159
45 names at least
on this chart,
819
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,359
and it was titled Southern
California homosexual murders.
820
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,040
They hadn't solved
solve the freeway murders.
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