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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,999 Orange County investigators are 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,159 dealing with a possible mass murderer and a list of victims 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,959 that continues to get longer. 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,799 People start finding bodies along the highway. 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,279 These young men are just disappearing. 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,079 What in the name of God is going on out there? 7 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:29,439 The California of the 1960s was the freewheeling summer 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,999 of love in San Francisco. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,039 All these people all over the United States 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,279 were drawn to Los Angeles, Hollywood. 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,679 There are predatory people who can take 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,879 advantage of people like that. 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,119 Investigators are still going over the records 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,839 of eight murder cases. 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,279 The papers were just flooded with these murders. 16 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,359 His killings were so horrific that even 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,919 the seasoned detectives had a hard time listening to it 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,559 and looking at the evidence. 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,719 He had sex with these men sometimes before, oftentimes 20 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,399 after he killed them. 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,239 There were beheadings. 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,359 There were victims that had tree branches that were rammed 23 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,159 up inside of the victims. 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,599 As soon as you get one of those, 25 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,039 this isn't something random. 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,479 This guy is going to do more. 27 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,559 This is the 33rd killing of the same 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,239 type in the last few months. 29 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,399 This is just one of 41 murders 30 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,079 of teenage boys in five Southern California counties 31 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,839 over the past eight years. 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,999 We're not just dealing with one serial killer here. 33 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,599 Some other psychopath is out there. 34 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,679 It's like a trilogy of terror with these guys. 35 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,319 I couldn't believe anybody that 36 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:40,479 could do something so evil. 37 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,279 He very much enjoyed torturing 38 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,159 and killing these young boys. 39 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,879 He loved the sound and he loved the terror in their face. 40 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,039 He spent a lot of time cruising 41 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,799 around Hollywood Boulevard for hitchhikers. 42 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,040 A lot of times, it was the drive to their death. 43 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,479 In the '60s and '70s, Los Angeles County was actually 44 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,079 agricultural and middle class. 45 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,360 You know, a lot of citrus growing is still going on. 46 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,919 Industries coming in, aircraft industries, for example, 47 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:32,080 and that's where a lot of the workers would live. 48 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,919 I grew up in El Segundo, California, so right here 49 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:48,040 in the LA area, just south of the LAX big airport and 50 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,240 the beach cities. 51 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,639 Nice place. 52 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,759 Like, when I was growing up, you'd go out in the morning, 53 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,319 and you didn't have to come home 54 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,919 until the streetlights went on, you know, and 55 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,359 your parents just-- you know, you know you're out, 56 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,039 but just be home by dinner. 57 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,119 You know, it was kind of a very safe place to grow up. 58 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,319 You know, kids played on the block. 59 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,879 It was just a very, very sweet town. 60 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,839 The California of the 1960s was the freewheeling, 61 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:23,599 beads and music, the Summer of Love in San Francisco in 1967. 62 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,639 The sense that we were in the age of Aquarius, 63 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,639 that everything was going to be beautiful and 64 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,239 wonderful and peaceful. 65 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,319 Well, the phrase about peace and love 66 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,760 didn't necessarily apply to gay people. 67 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,560 Most of the gay scene in LA was centered around downtown. 68 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,519 The gay culture that existed was not meant to be 69 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,999 noticed by straight society. 70 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,559 Gay bars were like speakeasies. 71 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,759 They did not advertise themselves. 72 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,239 You usually needed a special knock or 73 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,399 some kind of a password to get into them. 74 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,799 They were owned by mafias and criminal syndicates. 75 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,479 Any kind of gay socializing had to be 76 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,759 done very carefully, because there were laws against it. 77 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,639 That looks innocent enough, doesn't it? 78 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,799 Lots of young people hitchhike, but 79 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,639 sometimes there are dangers involved 80 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,239 that never meet the eye. 81 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,559 Let's take the case of Jimmy Barnes. 82 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,959 Jimmy played baseball all afternoon, 83 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,999 and he didn't feel like walking home, 84 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,039 so he decided to thumb a ride. 85 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,759 There's this fascinating film that 86 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,159 came out called "Boys Beware". 87 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:47,119 It's kind of a classic old movie from the '60s warning 88 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,999 kids not to get in cars with older men, because they 89 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,919 might be homosexuals. 90 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,759 What Jimmy didn't know was that Ralph was sick, 91 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,719 a sickness that was not visible like smallpox, 92 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,319 but no less dangerous and contagious, 93 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,479 A sickness of the mind. 94 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,839 You see, Ralph was a homosexual. 95 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:10,839 The film completely conflates being a pedophile 96 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:13,359 and being a homosexual together as if they're 97 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:14,879 one and the same thing. 98 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,399 And we kind of watch it now and think, 99 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,039 oh, God, the language they're using is terrible 100 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,959 and it's very anti-gay. 101 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,959 But one of the most remarkable things about it 102 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,039 is just this hitchhiking culture, 103 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,959 of-- of just hitching a ride home with whoever picks you up, 104 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,039 and the vulnerabilities with that. 105 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,839 If you're going from Kentucky, you 106 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:38,199 might be able to exist in a small town as a queer person, 107 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,279 but you wouldn't have any real sense of community there. 108 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:45,879 And so LA or New York, but especially LA, 109 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,559 there's this big, giant community 110 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,119 that is just coming out of the shadows, 111 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,919 and things you only imagined happening to yourself 112 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,439 are just a bus ticket away. 113 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,279 And that is very alluring at that time. 114 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:04,159 If all you have is your bus ticket and 115 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,919 a little change in your pocket, then 116 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:11,079 you have to figure out how to live and how to survive. 117 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,279 Because of the public attitude towards gay people, 118 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,279 a lot of young men that came out to their families 119 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,039 would get thrown out of the house, 120 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,960 and so they'd be living on the streets. 121 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,719 They were young, they were in their teens, 122 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,159 so they couldn't get a job. 123 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,599 They couldn't find work, so a lot of them 124 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,799 would resort to prostitution, hustling, 125 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,399 which made them vulnerable to a lot of dangers. 126 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:00,439 By the early 1970s, we're seeing a rash of what looked 127 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,679 like random murders, opportunity murders, 128 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,439 young men picked up along the highway or in bars 129 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,879 or just on the street, murdered, 130 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,759 and then their bodies dumped. 131 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,759 It was really a disturbing trend. 132 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,759 As the body count started to increase, 133 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,279 these corpses found along freeways, 134 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:30,879 in trash bags, industrial trash bags, are these connected? 135 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,279 Is there one person responsible for all 136 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,840 of these dead bodies around the Southern California freeways? 137 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,719 Well, it began for me when I was out in Riverside 138 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,519 in Banning, which was an outlying area halfway 139 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,440 between LA and Palm Springs. 140 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,239 The sheriff's department came in with some evidence 141 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,119 they wanted to look at. 142 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:00,079 They were suspicious that they had some connected homicides-- 143 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:06,759 all men, all nude, most, if not all, shot in the head 144 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,959 with a .22 caliber bullet. 145 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,599 It is the desert. 146 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,279 And some of these bodies were dismembered and found 147 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,039 in heavy duty, thick plastic bags 148 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,880 with drawstrings, not the kind you buy at the grocery store. 149 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,599 The media started dubbing him the trash bag killer. 150 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,519 So often, you find multiple murder victims who 151 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,679 do have something in common. 152 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:47,119 They may know one another. 153 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,239 They may live in the same neighborhood. 154 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,079 That was not the case here. 155 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,640 These are young men who lived all across Southern California. 156 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,799 And, gradually, investigators began 157 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,279 to put together characteristics that they did have in common. 158 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,119 Many of them were teens, early 20s. 159 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,439 They were perceived to be gay, if not gay. 160 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,879 Los Angeles has never had a good metropolitan 161 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,119 transportation area. 162 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,879 You can't get on a subway here and 163 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,319 be somewhere in 20 minutes like you 164 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,239 can in any other major city. 165 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,319 You know, the bus system, you know, it's just not conducive. 166 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,960 So back in those days, carefree, you thumbed a ride. 167 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,799 And people would hop in pickup trucks, cars, whatever. 168 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:33,960 It didn't matter. 169 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,079 I am the youngest of seven. 170 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,799 I had older brothers and sisters 171 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,719 that I could see as I looked back as I got older, yeah, 172 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,239 they were part of that hippie era. 173 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,799 John is number five out of the seven. 174 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,719 He's eight years older than me. 175 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,279 He was into the party scene, smoking pot and 176 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,839 doing your drinking and going out with your buddies 177 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,479 to do that. 178 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,719 Again, that was, like, the influence of the time. 179 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,159 John and my brothers and sisters 180 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,560 all did the hitchhiking thing. 181 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,799 There are a lot of things that can go wrong, 182 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,959 the worst of which would be that you 183 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,480 thumbed a ride, got into a van with a serial killer. 184 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,999 The bodies are found. 185 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,080 They're sometimes along highways. 186 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,919 But there's nothing found around them, just the body. 187 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,559 There's no evidence. 188 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:38,999 And then we realized, they weren't killed there. 189 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,039 They were killed at some other location, 190 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,279 and their body is just dumped somewhere. 191 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,119 That causes a real problem for the police department, 192 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,639 because who investigates a homicide? 193 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,599 It's where the crime occurred, where the killing occurred. 194 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,040 Where the bodies were found is not where they were killed. 195 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,559 Some of the bodies were up in Malibu. 196 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:06,759 They were in Ventura, some places in San Bernardino. 197 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,919 We say Southern California as if it's one place, 198 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,759 and it is in the sense of expanse, 199 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,439 but it's not in terms of police and how they regard this. 200 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,999 In the county of Los Angeles alone, 201 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,319 back then, you would have had at least five dozen cities 202 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,839 in different jurisdictions, different police, 203 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,239 sheriffs' departments, investigators, all of them 204 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,999 divided up according to their political boundaries, 205 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,519 their city limits, and not necessarily 206 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,399 talking to one another or comparing 207 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,679 notes about these bodies that were 208 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:40,200 turning up all over the place. 209 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,159 By the mid-1970s, law enforcement 210 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,159 knew they had to get together and compare 211 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,600 notes on these victims. 212 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,599 The detectives came together in Orange County 213 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,559 and started discussing the commonality 214 00:12:57,560 --> 00:12:59,999 between these cases. 215 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,679 There were definite patterns. 216 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:04,319 They were all shot. 217 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,959 They were shot above the temple in the back of the head. 218 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,119 He just used a little .22 derringer 219 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,639 to shoot them on the left side of their head 220 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,719 with a .22 derringer that had a right hand twist. 221 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,239 The twist on the caliber is just another piece of evidence 222 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,079 that they're all the same. 223 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,239 The left side of the head was important, because it indicates 224 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,639 a right-handed person. 225 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,799 Derringers hold two shots, and 226 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,159 it may sound like it's small and, 227 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,279 oh, what damage can that do? 228 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:36,759 But they take these long range ...22 caliber rifle rounds, 229 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,719 really, and if you get the hollow point version, 230 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,239 it causes a tremendous amount of damage at close range. 231 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,079 This is why derringers would be so 232 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,599 effective if you're trying to surprise someone and kill them. 233 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,399 Detectives deal with rotten people all the time, 234 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,999 but not of this magnitude. 235 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,640 I mean, how guys like this exist, I don't know. 236 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,919 He had sex with these men, sometimes before, oftentimes 237 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,039 after he killed them. 238 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,119 He would cut orifices in their body and have sex with them. 239 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,159 He would remove their pubic hair on occasion, 240 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,479 experiment with them. 241 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,799 There was no evidence of physical torture. 242 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,759 They were all postmortem wounds. 243 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,199 He would hit these bodies after they were dead-- 244 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,999 wouldn't hit them beforehand. 245 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,559 He somehow was able to dismember, 246 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,959 and as the autopsy surgeon said, disarticulate, because it 247 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,959 was-- it was expertly done. 248 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,639 Most people would not be able to do that very neatly. 249 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,439 He did it like a surgeon, like a butcher. 250 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,319 He knew exactly where the joints were, how to cut 251 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:58,079 and take apart these bodies. 252 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,399 The pattern started to emerge, 253 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,639 and detectives started thinking, uh-oh, 254 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,560 we have a serial killer. 255 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,799 Investigators in Riverside County 256 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,159 are still going over the records of eight murder cases, 257 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,279 which may be the start of a bloody trail of 40 258 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,079 or more homosexual killings. 259 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,799 Mutilated remains of five young men 260 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:25,839 have been found in three other counties since 1975. 261 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,639 John was, I would say, a bit different. 262 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:36,559 He was artsy, very internal, introspective. 263 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,599 I have a brother that's six years older than me, 264 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,879 and then John's two years older than him. 265 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,759 I did share a room with John and Joe, which, trust me, 266 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,919 that wasn't great at times. 267 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,079 Trying to scare me at night, you know. 268 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,119 I remember the flashlight on the ceiling and the, ah, 269 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,479 you know. 270 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:55,839 He had the most problems. 271 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,399 I think my parents, I would say, 272 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,159 seemed like they had the most trouble with him, 273 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,599 because he was always threatening to run away. 274 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,999 There was a lot of tension, I remember 275 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,239 that, between my mom and dad and John as a teenager. 276 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,679 You know, because I was sharing a room, 277 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:09,799 I remember him being in the room 278 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,759 and just threatening to leave. 279 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,919 I do remember the last time I saw him. 280 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,679 My parents were gone. 281 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,599 He was kind of in charge of me, along with my other brother. 282 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,479 John fed me a hot dog. 283 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,719 I knew that he was supposed to get me dinner 284 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,199 before he goes anywhere. 285 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,399 And then Joe was there, remembers 286 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,599 my brother getting picked up, and 287 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,080 I-- that's a memory I have pretty distinctly. 288 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,079 I remember being at home, sitting in the living room, 289 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,119 and I could see Mom and Dad were 290 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,039 upset because John did not come home the night before, 291 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,759 because that's unusual. 292 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,879 Even with his partying, he'd always come home at night. 293 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,719 And so they woke up to him not being there. 294 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,319 And, of course, I'm seeing this, and they're panicked. 295 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,639 The next thing I know, my dad's on the phone 296 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,119 with the police department and reporting him missing. 297 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,439 You know, we have a missing 17-year-old son. 298 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,239 I remember that scared me. 299 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,559 I remember, this is not right, even though I knew there was 300 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,359 tension in the relationship. 301 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:11,279 Part of my thought maybe back then was maybe he finally, 302 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,719 actually did run away, because I remember 303 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,240 him always threatening that. 304 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,919 For the detectives, the list was just 305 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,839 getting longer and longer, and by this time, 306 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,959 the body count was alarming. 307 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,719 Somebody's doing this. 308 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:33,839 He's loose. 309 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,279 He's doing a lot of them. 310 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,359 It's dangerous. 311 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:41,239 This became such a matter of concern that a local newspaper 312 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,599 offered a reward of $2,000, which doesn't sound like much 313 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,959 now, but a considerable amount then, 314 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,439 $2,000 for the arrest and conviction of whoever 315 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,359 had picked up, murdered, mutilated, 316 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:58,119 dismembered these young men. 317 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:02,559 There was Ronald Dean Smith Jr. He was just five years old. 318 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,359 They found his body in October 1974. 319 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:10,279 The medical examiner ruled that he had been suffocated. 320 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,999 Larry Gene Walters, 20, killed October 31st, 1975. 321 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,439 Found less than two weeks later. 322 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,519 Again, shot, dismembered in a trash bag. 323 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,319 Michael Craig McGhee, just 13, in June 1976, 324 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,599 shot in the back of the head, sodomized, dismembered. 325 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,519 Wilfred Lawrence Faherty, 20 years old, 326 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:37,319 killed in August of '76, shot in the back of the head. 327 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,519 Detectives were tearing their hair out at this point, 328 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,160 and then, all of a sudden, a break. 329 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,639 18th of March, 1977, another body is found, 330 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,039 this near Corona, California. 331 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,199 That is in Riverside County. 332 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,639 It's missing its head. 333 00:18:58,640 --> 00:18:59,999 It's missing its hands. 334 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,359 It's been sodomized post mortem. 335 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:06,879 His body was found in a large trash bag in a barrel, 336 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,719 and it was at a rest stop. 337 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,560 And they started asking around. 338 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,279 The next day, it was pretty quick. 339 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,919 It wasn't a long time in between. 340 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,319 And I remember my dad got a call 341 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,599 back from probably the police department at that point. 342 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,839 I'm only hearing-- I'm only seeing my dad on the phone 343 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,319 and hearing him, and I just hear him repeat back what they 344 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:37,639 said, that he might be dead. 345 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,319 That's kind of what I remember hearing. 346 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,039 Like, what do you mean dead? 347 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,519 Like just something like that, just the way he responded. 348 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,319 By then, maybe looking back, they actually 349 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,039 maybe found somebody and-- 350 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,239 but they didn't want to say for sure this was him 351 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,599 until they did some investigative work, 352 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,319 you know, which was having my parents, you know, 353 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,079 basically go down to the police department in Corona, 354 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,959 give blood tests, and identify a birthmark 355 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,559 that my brother did have, which was 356 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,119 found when they found a body. 357 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:20,559 My family overnight changed. 358 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,959 There was safety, there was freedom, there was fun. 359 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:23,959 We're loving. 360 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,439 We're hanging out. 361 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,559 And then John's murderer made victims of us all. 362 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,439 And I can imagine, as I got older, 363 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,559 and what guilt they might have felt 364 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,359 in not having better tabs on their son at-- you know, 365 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,399 he's 17, it was a different time. 366 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,079 But again, you're in El Segundo and everything. 367 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,519 Everything should be free and fine. 368 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,359 But, you know, I thought about that later and 369 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,639 the guilt that was probably going on as well, that they 370 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,759 didn't watch out for him. 371 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,039 As a kid, I'm not being told anything, 372 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,999 which I think was a bad thing, because I never got sat down. 373 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,439 This is what's going on. 374 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,519 And I get it. 375 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,839 My parents were in a frenzy. 376 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:06,519 I know, okay, John was murdered, and John knew him. 377 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,639 I knew that pretty early on, that it 378 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,679 wasn't just some stranger that picked up John. 379 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,519 This person actually built a kind 380 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,040 of a relationship with John before this even happened. 381 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,839 Once they have a name, police can 382 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,639 start working backwards to his friends, 383 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,559 to Lamay's friends, his family, who he met, 384 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,399 when he may have met them. 385 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,599 They said he told them he was going to Redondo Beach, which 386 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,159 is just to the west of Corona, to meet 387 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,840 two people named Pat and Dave. 388 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,479 This is when they started looking 389 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,279 closer at Patrick Kearney. 390 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,639 They go to interview Patrick Kearney and his roommate 391 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,920 and lover, Dave Hill. 392 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,959 Well, we're now in northern Redondo Beach, 393 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,719 one of the nicest areas of the Los Angeles area. 394 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,839 And this is Robinson Street. 395 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,439 Patrick Kearney lived here. 396 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,799 He bought the house in 1969. 397 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,639 He never did much. 398 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,719 He was very quiet. 399 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,599 And we had people who worked here. 400 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,199 There was a little store here. 401 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,639 He would come across here and he would 402 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,039 ask the man about knives. 403 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,719 He wanted to buy knives and he wanted 404 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,239 to know what was good steel. 405 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,799 And he would come to the market, 406 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,639 but he never bought the knives. 407 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,719 But the owner of the store always wondered, why 408 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,799 was he interested in knives? 409 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,639 Well, now we know that he had to cut up a lot of bodies 410 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,839 and chop a lot of bones, and he needed 411 00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:00,719 a strong knife that would be able to dissect people. 412 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,599 We went to his house. 413 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:08,319 It wasn't a gaily lit, bright, open, sunny house. 414 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,839 It was dark, a little bit showing its age 415 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,759 in terms of cleanliness. 416 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,519 And maybe this is just my imagination, 417 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,919 but when I went in there, it felt oppressive. 418 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,319 The police interviewed him. 419 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,599 Do you know John Lamay? Where has he been? 420 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,879 Who else has he been seen with? 421 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,319 Have you seen him lately? 422 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,039 Kearney denies knowing Lamay. 423 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,399 Doesn't admit to any connection with the teenager. 424 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,119 Police officers notice that the carpet is green, 425 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:39,119 and they know there's green fibers 426 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,919 found on some of these bags. 427 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,319 One of the officers scuffs his feet on the carpet. 428 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:51,439 Another officer pets a dog and take some hair. 429 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,999 Those things match. 430 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,079 So now they're focused on Patrick Kearney. 431 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,399 On that team is Faye Springer, a criminalist, myself, 432 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,799 two police officers, and some uniformed officers, 433 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,359 and they gather up lots of different evidence. 434 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,599 Faye Springer goes to the vacuum cleaner, 435 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,279 immediately empties its contents. 436 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,879 She finds a hacksaw. 437 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,759 She sprays luminol in the bathroom, 438 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,559 sees evidence of blood. 439 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:28,359 There's a deteriorating faucet with chrome plating 440 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,719 being flaked off. 441 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,559 She recalls that one of the bags containing 442 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,759 a body, not John Lamay, had similar shiny little pieces 443 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,279 of metal. 444 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,999 She's thinking maybe there's a connection. 445 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,279 They find a stash of micro plastic bags 446 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,479 with drawstrings at the house. 447 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,919 These aren't useful for anything other 448 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,039 than heavy industrial type work. 449 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,079 And we did a search warrant for Kearney's house. 450 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,959 So we go to the house to execute the search warrant, 451 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,319 and Patrick Kearney is gone. 452 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,040 He's disappeared. 453 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,119 And that's when the warrants were issued for the arrest 454 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:19,280 of both of them. 455 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,399 Pat Kearney was born in East Los Angeles in 1939, 456 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,519 just as the war in Europe was beginning. 457 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,439 He wasn't the most robust kid. 458 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,159 When he grew up, kids picked on him, bullied him. 459 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,199 A few called him queer, and supposedly he had fantasies 460 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,919 about skinning people-- 461 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,639 sick, distorted fantasies. 462 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,319 His dad, he claimed, was kind of an absent dad. 463 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,159 Wasn't really participating much in his life. 464 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,799 Mom was good, but Mom was more paying attention to dad. 465 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,039 But he had two siblings that were normal 466 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,359 and had good careers. 467 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,079 One was an Army officer. 468 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,559 Allegedly, his father taught him how to shoot. 469 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,079 He was very, very proficient at killing. 470 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,199 Because as a child, he had learned the best way 471 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,039 to kill a pig instantly is to shoot them right in the head, 472 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,639 near the ear. 473 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,439 And he had learned, if you do that, the person 474 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,319 would-- there would not be any resistance from that point on. 475 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,999 He ended up moving to Texas for a while, 476 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,999 and came back and started work at Hughes Aircraft. 477 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,879 By then, Los Angeles was an immense powerhouse 478 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,079 of the defense industry and the aircraft industry, 479 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,279 and so he found a job pretty quickly. 480 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,959 Which to me means that he had some intelligence 481 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,039 and some work ethic about him. 482 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,159 Hughes Aircraft was an early manufacturer. 483 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,239 It had lots of different divisions, 484 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,359 so I think he had to have somewhat himself on the ball 485 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,159 to get a job and hold a job like that. 486 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,599 In the process, he would meet various people, 487 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,279 and he had a gay partner, David Hill, 488 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,599 he met when he was in Texas. 489 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,559 And they both came back to Redondo Beach area, 490 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,039 lived in the beach area as a couple. 491 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,119 And as time went by, they had, you know, 492 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:25,079 differences, and sometimes David Hill would leave, 493 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,319 and then Kearney would be on his own. 494 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,039 At that time, he would start trolling, driving around. 495 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,240 He had a VW. 496 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,319 Having grown up in East Los Angeles, he also spoke Spanish, 497 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,559 and this and his knowledge of Latino culture 498 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,839 he supposedly used to his advantage 499 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,159 when he was cruising around in gay neighborhoods from Tijuana 500 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,519 up to Southern California. 501 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,399 He would pick up hitchhikers, anybody he could find, 502 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,919 young male, and entice them into his car, his little VW, 503 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,639 drive them around. 504 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,319 And then he would reach into the back 505 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,799 and pull out a .22 caliber derringer, 506 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,239 and when the person had turned his head to the right, 507 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,119 he would shoot him right in the side of the head 508 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,559 at the temple, which made it kind of strange. 509 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,159 You shoot a person in your car. 510 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,879 Now what are you going to do with them? 511 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,119 He would drive to an isolated area, 512 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,999 pull over, and then have sexual relations, 513 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,719 necrophilia, which is kind of strange. 514 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,799 Why would a person do that? 515 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,239 What is the satisfaction they're gaining out of that? 516 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,399 Is it because he has killed the person who he thinks 517 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,199 could have been a bully to him? 518 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,119 Is there a sexual reason why he does commit these crimes? 519 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,439 That was his MO, and he would do it time and time again, 520 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,319 pick up either a hitchhiker or somebody near a gay community, 521 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,759 have them sit in the car. 522 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,279 And then, when they weren't looking, 523 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,639 he would shoot him in the head. 524 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,279 Patrick Kearney opened his house to these young men, 525 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:05,159 so it was known in the gay community that Patrick was-- 526 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,399 and David Hill, his roommate-- were gay and would welcome 527 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,919 people over, and so it was not unusual for him to be 528 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,119 entertaining young men in his house, not all 529 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,440 of which he killed, of course. 530 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,919 He was not strong enough to overpower some of his victims, 531 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,439 which is why he shot them. 532 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,919 But afterwards, he would beat their bodies, 533 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,959 mutilate their bodies, violate their bodies 534 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,879 in a necrophilic fashion as a kind of punishment 535 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,239 after death for the things that he had suffered growing up. 536 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,719 Pat Kearney was a pre-war generation 537 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:48,359 and was very closeted, and also lived in a time when to be gay 538 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:54,119 was in itself regarded as a sick-- a criminal offense. 539 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,839 A lot of gay people grow up with a lot 540 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,399 of internalized self-loathing. 541 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,839 And even if you come to accept yourself, 542 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,279 you have this internal struggle that you've been picked on, 543 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,959 you've been bullied, you've been afraid of yourself 544 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,479 because of your own feelings. 545 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,759 I mean, up until 1973, being gay was 546 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,639 considered a mental illness. 547 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,679 So if you're growing up before that time 548 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,799 and look it up in a book, you think, God, 549 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,159 this means I'm sick. 550 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,599 This means I should go to a doctor. 551 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,199 And you internalize this. 552 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,599 And he might have this sense that by killing other men, and 553 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,679 other gay men in particular, he might be killing 554 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,640 the gayness in himself. 555 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,279 The thing that strikes me about Patrick Wayne Kearney 556 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,399 is how careful, at least in the early years of killing, 557 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,999 that he was. 558 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,519 He would remove the bullet from his victim in order 559 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,079 not to allow it to be traced to his gun, 560 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,519 and he would take other measures. 561 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,639 You know, clean things off so that fingerprints 562 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,999 would not be apparent and it wouldn't be tracked to him. 563 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,279 So he seemed to be smarter than maybe 564 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,599 the average serial killer, at least at first. 565 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,639 But as his pace increased in killing, 566 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,879 things happen and you get sloppy 567 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,319 and you leave more clues. 568 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,879 He was an electrical engineer, and 569 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,959 he paid attention to details and 570 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,439 tried not to leave clues that would 571 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,359 make it easy for detectives to find him. 572 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:35,039 That's a cold-hearted, dispassionate, dangerous, 573 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,399 obviously, personality. 574 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,399 There's no way to tell. 575 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,839 He's not an enraged person. 576 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,799 He's not attacking and violently doing-- 577 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,119 he's sneaky. 578 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,839 He sneaks up behind his victims. 579 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,039 They don't know what's coming. 580 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,519 He doesn't torture them. 581 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,639 He doesn't beat them until they're dead. 582 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,719 And that kind of fit with his personality, 583 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,439 kind of quiet and unassuming. 584 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,679 Nobody at Hughes Aircraft had any idea 585 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,120 that he was this monster. 586 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,919 It was the next day that Patrick Kearney 587 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,559 went over to Hughes Aircraft and he resigned. 588 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,999 He-- he left. 589 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,839 And he got his paycheck, his last paycheck. 590 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,599 He and David Hill headed to Texas, 591 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,879 and they ended up in El Paso, Texas. 592 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,159 The reason they left was because they 593 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,440 knew at the interview the police were getting close. 594 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,119 There's nationwide bulletins, the FBI's most wanted list. 595 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,759 Every law enforcement agency in the country 596 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,679 has got the paperwork on them. 597 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,999 And then they were contacted by their relatives and said, 598 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,759 hey, you can work this out. 599 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,359 It can be worked out. 600 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,799 It just-- come back, talk to the police, you know, 601 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,999 explain what happened. 602 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,039 And they did. 603 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,359 They came back. 604 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,199 And what was interesting about that, 605 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,479 they came back to the Riverside headquarters 606 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,959 of the sheriff's department. 607 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,199 They went in there to the reception area. 608 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,159 They said to the desk officer, we're here to turn ourselves 609 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,999 in to talk to the police. 610 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,679 And they pointed to a poster on the wall and said, that's us. 611 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,599 To be honest with you, I was quite surprised. 612 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,439 It's a hot afternoon. 613 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,999 I get a call, hey, we've got Patrick Kearney and David Hill. 614 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,799 Okay, well, how did that happen? 615 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,519 I mean, if you were on to them you were chasing them down, 616 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,839 how come I wasn't informed? 617 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,239 What the-- what's going on here? 618 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,599 And, obviously, no one knew what was happening. 619 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,440 They just walked in and turned themselves in. 620 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,999 The interview takes place within 15 or 20 minutes. 621 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,519 We start-- we record it. 622 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,199 He's advised of his rights. 623 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,560 I was able to interview him for hours. 624 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,519 Two men, Patrick Kearney and David Hill, 625 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,119 wanted for questioning in two murders, 626 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,719 surrendered here last Friday. 627 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,999 Officers also wanted to talk to them about five 628 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,439 other similar killings. 629 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,319 Mutilated remains of five young men 630 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,879 have been found in three other counties since 1975. 631 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,959 But Sheriff Ben Clark says the two led his investigators 632 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,359 to believe the suspects may be responsible for 30 633 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,159 to 40 killings. 634 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,519 The sheriff isn't sure the final toll will be that high. 635 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,119 I didn't know what to expect. 636 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,839 He presents himself as mild mannered. 637 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,639 He's just quiet, reserved, polite, 638 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,640 and it's a little bit frightening. 639 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,759 He has nothing about his facade that 640 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,079 would give you any inkling at all that 641 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,399 he invites young men over to his house, 642 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,399 puts a derringer to their head, kills 643 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,079 them, unbeknownst to them, catching them by surprise. 644 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,519 According to him, almost a monthly basis 645 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,239 during the last couple of years. 646 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,959 The agreement was, and these are tough decisions, 647 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,639 Kearney said, okay, you take the death penalty off the table 648 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,959 and I'll tell you where all the bodies are. 649 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,919 So the prosecutor had a tough decision 650 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,119 for the families of all those victims, 651 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,199 and we're talking a lot, 20, 30, 40. 652 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,919 Is it beneficial to get the remains of all of those victims 653 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,519 so they can be buried properly, how 654 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,359 the family would like it to be done, 655 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,679 or should you go for the death penalty? 656 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,439 The decision was made by the district attorney 657 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,239 of San Bernardino and the other locations, okay, 658 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,839 it would be fine to take the death penalty off the table, 659 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,639 allow him to plead guilty. 660 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,759 Patrick Kearney started to sing. 661 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,879 He sang about the whole thing from the beginning. 662 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,399 The purpose of my being at the interview 663 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:10,400 was mostly an expected but not forthcoming insanity defense. 664 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,799 So I wanted to find out if that was-- that was really 665 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,679 a viable issue with him. 666 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,999 My doubt was erased immediately during the interview 667 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,799 when I asked him about the first one he did. 668 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,759 When he described the first body that he had disposed of, 669 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,359 the first one he killed, he said, 670 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,959 the guy's name was George, and I dumped him off 671 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,279 in Van Nuys Avenue and buried him 672 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,600 under a garage 15 years ago. 673 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,879 He drew us a map of where the body supposedly was. 674 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,839 Well, obviously, the interview is being recorded. 675 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,439 The LAPD is on their way to dig this thing up within minutes, 676 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,319 unbeknownst to him. 677 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,759 And they went to this garage, they looked, they had the map, 678 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,159 and they found a box of bones with a skull that 679 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,479 had hacksaw blade marks in it. 680 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,279 Kearney described the fact that he'd 681 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,959 taken the bullet out of the man's skull with a hacksaw. 682 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:16,159 That gave him some credibility in terms of him claiming 683 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,359 to have killed so many people. 684 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,079 And when you ask him, well, Patrick, why would you have 685 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,919 sex with the body afterwards? 686 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,279 He says, well, there's no reasonable explanation 687 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,839 for that. 688 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,519 You know, I understand it's kind of bizarre. 689 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,439 And he gives a perfectly rational answer. 690 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,760 The fact that he's so nonchalant about it is scary. 691 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,519 We had the M'Naghten test back then for insanity, 692 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,279 and it basically is knowing right from wrong. 693 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,959 He absolutely knew right from wrong. 694 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,519 He-- he was embarrassed by it. 695 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,359 He was a little bit reluctant to talk 696 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,439 about the details of his sexual behavior because of that. 697 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,479 And he says, sometimes I did it, didn't do it. 698 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,439 Sometimes I got mad and did it, and sometimes I didn't do it. 699 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,439 So he could control his actions. 700 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,759 Legally defining somebody insane 701 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,359 is different than what you and I say. 702 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,959 There's something wrong with that guy. 703 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,879 Everybody would agree there's something wrong with that. 704 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,999 It's so out of touch with normal human behavior. 705 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,679 But to meet the legal definition 706 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,320 of insanity, pretty tough. 707 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,439 He kept his word. 708 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,799 He showed where all the bodies were. 709 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,759 Now, not all the bodies were found, because some of them 710 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,599 were not necessarily put in trash bags. 711 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,919 Some were buried. 712 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,759 John Lamay was found without a head, hands, or feet, 713 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,639 and those were never found. 714 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,919 Patrick Kearney later told us that we would never find those, 715 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,679 because he put them in commercial trash bins 716 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,119 at McDonald's and Wendy's. 717 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,919 And once they're gone off to the trash, 718 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,559 as Patrick Kearney said, they spend millions of dollars 719 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,599 getting rid of that. 720 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,279 You'll never find them. 721 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,439 I knew that he was dumped on the side of a highway. 722 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,159 I knew John was murdered. 723 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,999 I didn't realize who he was really murdered by, 724 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,719 and the scope of this man was 15 years of doing 725 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,719 this and getting away with it. 726 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:27,239 And do it so methodically, to cut the hands off 727 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,839 and the head off so that they couldn't actually identify him 728 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,159 with fingerprints, I couldn't believe anybody that 729 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,000 could do something so evil. 730 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,279 At the same time that these trash bag murders were being 731 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,039 committed, Kearney was in a long-term relationship, 732 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,959 not necessarily monogamous, but a long term relationship, 733 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,719 cohabiting, and this was for a period of almost 10 years. 734 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:59,319 And Hill evidently had no part and no knowledge of anything 735 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,319 that was going on that Kearney was doing 736 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,959 as this violent serial killer. 737 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,719 We know that he shot Mr. Lamay in his own house, 738 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,199 but what happened after that, how he concealed 739 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,039 this life from his lover, the man he was living with for so 740 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,680 many years, is a mystery. 741 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,799 Patrick confessed to everything 742 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,439 and had a credible confession, pointing 743 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,719 out somebody that he had killed 15 years ago and buried. 744 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,519 No one knew anything about it. 745 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,639 And Hill denied anything, and Kearney 746 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,439 said that Hill had nothing to do with it 747 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,439 and didn't know, was gone sometimes for weeks at a time. 748 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,239 Maybe he suspected, but he didn't know. 749 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,439 Sounds pretty incredible to me that you wouldn't know, 750 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,919 but having knowledge of it and participating in it 751 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,399 and having to prove it are two different things. 752 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,119 I mean, the grand jury didn't indict him. 753 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,960 There wasn't sufficient evidence connecting him. 754 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,959 Patrick Kearney's charged with first degree 755 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,799 murder in Riverside. 756 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,119 He and his attorney have an argument over how to proceed, 757 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,679 and he had him examined. 758 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,679 Wants to put forth a mental defense. 759 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,399 But Patrick wouldn't do it, and he did not want to-- 760 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,719 to claim that he was insane or that he had diminished capacity 761 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,319 or he couldn't control his actions. 762 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,959 I don't think he would have won on that anyway. 763 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,479 We brought him back to court. 764 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,439 He pled guilty and then went to each county 765 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,359 and pled guilty to all the ones that law 766 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,679 enforcement could document and make sure that he was the one. 767 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,799 It wasn't just random, willy nilly, there's 50 bodies 768 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,439 and let's just tag him with everything. 769 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,119 You've got to be careful about it. 770 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,239 It was a difficult thing to do. 771 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,879 A lot of them were not absolutely 772 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,239 identified by forensic means. 773 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,039 Some of them, I mean, they were so old, 774 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,199 there's nothing but bones. 775 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,799 We have missing persons reports. 776 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,479 We know Patrick Kearney said, these are the people I killed, 777 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,719 and he confessed. 778 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:02,239 That's why we ended up-- 779 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:08,199 he says, quite credibly, 30 to 40 men he 780 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,759 killed, and pled guilty to 21. 781 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,759 He's sentenced to consecutive sentences. 782 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,639 He went to San Quentin. 783 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,039 There he sat quietly. 784 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,959 He never appealed anything. 785 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,039 He just served his time. 786 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,839 I received one letter from him. 787 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,639 He hinted at wanting to play chess. 788 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,679 I remember my mom saying that the one thing she's thankful 789 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,439 for in all of this that came out 790 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,439 was that John's death caught this monster. 791 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,359 You can imagine the task force 792 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,999 opened the champagne, said, thank goodness that's over. 793 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,879 We have taken care of this monster who 794 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,319 has been dumping bodies along the freeways 795 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,399 after murdering them. 796 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,239 There was such a relief. 797 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:58,999 It was over. 798 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,159 The community is safe. 799 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,839 However, more bodies are showing up. 800 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,839 And then more bodies turn up, and yet more bodies. 801 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,919 And you can imagine what they were thinking. 802 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,839 Could we have two people like this out there? 803 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,239 This is the 33rd killing of the same 804 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:23,399 type in the last few months. 805 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,239 If they thought that it was over, 806 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:29,200 well, they were wrong, because the madness was just beginning. 807 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:40,279 The bodies just kept piling up at a very disturbing frequency. 808 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,599 This killer was relentless. 809 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,679 Young hitchhiking kids are being picked up, raped, 810 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,879 strangled, and dumped naked. 811 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,519 There's no evidence left behind. 812 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,199 Today, the nude body of a teenage boy 813 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,639 was found propped up against a back alley door. 814 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,119 He had been choked to death. 815 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,199 A witness said she saw a hitchhiker 816 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,439 gassed and pulled into a van. 817 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,279 They showed us a board, and there were probably 818 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,159 45 names at least on this chart, 819 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,359 and it was titled Southern California homosexual murders. 820 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,040 They hadn't solved solve the freeway murders. 65614

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