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In the criminal justice
system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate,
yet equally important groups:
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the police,
who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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People accuse you
of being ruthless
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in your investment philosophy,
especially considering--
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I'm the only one keeping
these companies honest.
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There's rampant mismanagement
and waste
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in corporate America--
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unearned bonuses,
excessive salaries.
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When I buy a stake
in a company,
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I become a watchdog.
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Some would say
a rabid watchdog.
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Even better.
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But I'm doing it
for the little guy--
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uh, the cops, the teachers,
the nurses.
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They own publicly traded stocks
in their 401s,
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in their IRAs.
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I keep the fat cats honest,
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make them justify decisions,
their compensation--
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So you consider yourself
a public servant?
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Uh, no, no, no.
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I'm a capitalist.
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My goal is to make money
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for me and for all
the other shareholders
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who put their faith
in the hands of executives
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running publicly traded
companies.
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Museum of Natural History.
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I believe in growth,
prosperity,
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pushing for change
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in the name
of the greater good.
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Big party?
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No, no, no.
Oh, my God.
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Oh, my God.
No.
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- Vic's Thomas Hardiman, 53.
- What happened?
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He was hit by a taxi,
2003 hours.
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- Hit-and-run?
- More like hit-and-cry.
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The driver was a blubbery mess.
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Said there was an altercation.
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Vic was shoved
in front of the cab.
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Did he see
who did the shoving?
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Nope.
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Was there a passenger
in the taxi?
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A woman.
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She was on her phone,
didn't see anything.
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Did the driver give
a description?
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It was dark.
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Couldn't even say
if it was a man or woman.
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All he said was medium build,
wearing some kind of brown hat.
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Headed east on foot.
- Okay.
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Pull all the ARGUS footage
from the area.
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And since there was a struggle,
have the MLI check
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for third-party DNA on the vic.
- Mm-hmm.
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Vic's got his phone here.
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And this is
a very fancy wallet,
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so I don't think we're
looking at a robbery.
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Lives at 1157 57th Street.
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That's near Billionaires' Row.
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He's got a wedding ring.
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Let's go deliver the news.
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Till death do us part.
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It would be helpful
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to know where your husband was
this evening,
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who he was seeing.
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Uh, I wish I could help.
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Tom and I have been separated,
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about three months now.
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Do you know what he was doing
in the neighborhood
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where he was killed--
West 43rd Street?
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Oh.
That's by the Harvard Club.
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Tom went there most nights,
around 8:00 or so.
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And did your husband
have any enemies,
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anyone who might
have threatened him?
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Do you know who Tom was,
what he did?
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Uh, well, his business card
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just said that he ran
Broadchurch Investment Fund.
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Tom wasn't just any investor.
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He was an activist investor.
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What does that mean?
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He buys a big stake,
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tells them not so nicely
what they're doing wrong,
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how to run their company.
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Used to call those guys
"corporate raiders."
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So made money, not friends.
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Exactly.
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How about recently?
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Did he get into it
with anyone in particular?
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I have not kept up
on his day-to-day.
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His girlfriend might know.
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His girlfriend?
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Some professor up at Hudson.
I don't have a name.
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Sometimes it's better
not to know.
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And what about you?
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What were you doing tonight
around 8:00 p.m.?
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I was at my book club.
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It's ten women married
to fund managers.
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We all have a lot of downtime.
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Okay, well, we're--
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we're gonna ask you
to send us some names.
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Of course.
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I can't believe
he's really gone.
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If you think
of anything else...
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We looked at
the university's social media.
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Tom Hardiman
was a guest lecturer
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in your class a few months ago,
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and I guess you two,
uh, hit it off?
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I never meant
to fall in love.
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There's no one like Tom--
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fearless thinker in an age
of cowardly groupthink.
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What's a billionaire
investor doing
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giving a lecture at a college?
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No offense.
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I teach
Information Asymmetry.
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It's how knowledge translates
into economic power.
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So how were things
between you two?
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We made each other
very happy.
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Did you see Hardiman
last night?
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No. I was stuck on campus
meeting with students.
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You can talk to security.
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- Was he receiving any threats?
- Some people hated him
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or hated the way
that he challenged them...
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Challenged their rigid
old-school ways.
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He liked to say he could fill
a country with his enemies.
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- Got any names?
- No.
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He never took them seriously.
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We have to get moving.
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Okay, well,
if you think of anything...
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Any chance your husband found
out about the relationship?
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Of course. I told Marc.
It's why I filed for divorce.
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Thanks.
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All right, that text I got?
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They found third-party DNA
under Hardiman's nails
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and on his jacket.
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- Any hits in CODIS?
- Nope, but it's male.
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I say we talk
to the jilted husband.
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Ariana told me
she was in love.
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Hell, I was glad she told me.
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Truth is freeing.
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And if Ariana wants out,
that's her right.
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Pretty zen for the guy
who called Tom Hardiman
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over a dozen times
in the past week.
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Look, I wanted to sit down
with the man face-to-face.
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That jackass was paying
for her divorce lawyer,
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bankrolling her custody fight.
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If I'm being
ferociously honest...
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that sounds like motive.
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I got nothing to hide.
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We met for lunch,
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and I told Hardiman exactly
what I thought of him.
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Oh, really?
How'd that go?
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Things get ugly?
They turn physical at all?
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They probably would have,
but some nut job beat me to it.
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What does that mean?
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As Hardiman was heading
for the exit,
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some guy comes up,
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starts grabbing at him,
taking swings.
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So I just watched
and enjoyed the show.
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Okay. You got an alibi
for 8:00 p.m. last night?
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Yeah. I was leading a seminar
on the Lower East Side--
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Finding Your Truth.
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You should come sometime.
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Hey.
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So our life-coach husband
was telling the truth.
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62 people were learning
to be ferociously honest
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for 180 bucks a pop
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while Tom Hardiman was getting
pushed in front of a cab.
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I bet ferocious honesty kills
more people per year
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than cigarettes.
- Yeah.
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Yeah, when my wife
and I got back together,
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we had one agreement--
no questions,
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no confessions
about our time apart.
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What you don't know
can't hurt you.
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And what you don't say can't be
used in a custody battle.
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Hey.
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So I pulled that video you
asked for from the restaurant.
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Take a look.
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There's no match in facial rec,
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but there was a patch
on his jacket.
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Okay, let's do
a little digging
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and see if anyone
was trashing Hardiman
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at Mercy Hospital.
- Yeah.
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Couple posts
on social media here.
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#MercyHospital, #TomHardiman.
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There's one from Carlos Guzman,
who seems to be a nurse.
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This one's a gem
from a couple days ago.
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"Tom Hardiman has blood
on his hands.
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Time for retribution."
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COO said he worked
on the fifth floor?
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On Mondays, yeah.
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He's on the sixth floor
the other four days.
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Wait a minute.
Is that our guy right there?
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Looks like it.
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Hey, Carlos Guzman.
NYPD. We need to talk to you.
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He's gonna rabbit.
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All right, all right.
Don't move. Don't move.
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Don't look so surprised.
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You're coming with us.
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I told you, I got nothing
to do with any murder!
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Sit down, okay?
Sit.
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You took swings
at Tom Hardiman
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outside a midtown bistro,
and two days later, he's dead.
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You understand
why we have questions?
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What's your beef
with the guy, anyway?
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Why this need for retribution?
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- Hardiman's fund, uh...
- Broadchurch Investments.
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They bought a big-ass stake
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in the hospital chain
I work for.
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No one told us.
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It's not like we're reading
financial news.
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But all of a sudden,
there's a new head of hospital.
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Then half the trauma ward
gets fired.
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So he downsized.
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Must have ticked you off.
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What ticked me off?
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Empty supply closets,
no pain meds for patients,
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no ventilators.
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The nursing staff couldn't
even get protective gear.
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And so you wanted him dead.
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I wanted to expose him.
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People need to know the truth.
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That's very noble.
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But we think there's
something more personal.
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And we happen to know
that your mother died
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at Mercy Hospital two months
after Hardiman took over.
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And that would piss me off
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if I found out that some suit's
budget cuts led to my mom
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not getting the care
that she needed.
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Carlos, where were you
last night around 8:00 p.m.?
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At the bedside
of a 28-year-old,
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who died because we didn't have
a goddamn ventilator!
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Ask his wife, his parents...
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or his two young children.
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We will look into that.
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Whoever offed Tom Hardiman
saved lives,
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did good.
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Guzman's alibi checks out.
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And he's kind of a hero
over at Mercy,
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so I think
we got to cut him loose
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before the nursing staff
storms this place.
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Okay. Do it.
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These hedge funds are pillaging
our health-care system.
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They're also going
after newspapers,
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toy companies, anything,
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as long as there's
a green rainbow at the end.
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Maybe we should look
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into some of Hardiman's
other investments,
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see if there's anyone who feels
as passionately as Guzman.
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Well, according
to "The Wall Street Journal,"
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Hardiman's latest investment
was WellPoint Therapeutics.
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There's a ton of articles
predicting a brutal showdown
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between Hardiman
and WellPoint's CEO.
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I'm looking
at Hardiman's calendar.
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00:11:50,622 --> 00:11:54,060
Last meeting he had on the day
he was killed was at WellPoint.
256
00:11:54,061 --> 00:11:56,977
Let's go.
257
00:11:57,673 --> 00:12:00,109
I was shocked
to hear about Tom.
258
00:12:00,110 --> 00:12:01,676
He was such a young man.
259
00:12:01,677 --> 00:12:03,678
You had a meeting with him
on the day he was killed?
260
00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,332
Yeah.
We met right here.
261
00:12:05,333 --> 00:12:08,335
Anything strange about
the meeting, any arguments?
262
00:12:08,336 --> 00:12:10,511
I'll save you
from barking up that tree.
263
00:12:10,512 --> 00:12:12,078
Uh, despite the press hoopla
264
00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:14,994
about a looming showdown
between us,
265
00:12:14,995 --> 00:12:16,517
our meeting was cordial.
266
00:12:16,518 --> 00:12:18,780
So don't believe
everything you read.
267
00:12:18,781 --> 00:12:20,826
So he wasn't trying
to pillage your company?
268
00:12:20,827 --> 00:12:22,262
No.
269
00:12:22,263 --> 00:12:24,394
Well, he--he--he bought
a 24% stake,
270
00:12:24,395 --> 00:12:26,353
got himself a seat
on the board,
271
00:12:26,354 --> 00:12:28,659
had some thoughts
he wanted to share,
272
00:12:28,660 --> 00:12:31,662
asked me for a one-on-one
to present his ideas,
273
00:12:31,663 --> 00:12:33,621
and I agreed.
- And?
274
00:12:33,622 --> 00:12:38,408
And, uh, it was a pleasant,
productive conversation.
275
00:12:38,409 --> 00:12:40,106
Mr. Munson,
your conference call
276
00:12:40,107 --> 00:12:41,237
is about to begin.
277
00:12:41,238 --> 00:12:42,848
Ah, yes.
Yes, thank you.
278
00:12:42,849 --> 00:12:44,327
Um...
279
00:12:44,328 --> 00:12:46,503
I'm sorry.
My assistant will see you out.
280
00:12:46,504 --> 00:12:48,331
Just one last thing
for protocol--
281
00:12:48,332 --> 00:12:50,333
where were you last night
at 8:00 p.m.?
282
00:12:50,334 --> 00:12:52,335
I was at home
reading a bedtime story
283
00:12:52,336 --> 00:12:53,946
to my grandkids.
284
00:12:53,947 --> 00:12:56,644
We should all be so blessed.
285
00:12:56,645 --> 00:12:59,735
Okay, thank you.
286
00:13:00,910 --> 00:13:03,346
Munson mentioned that
his meeting was a one-on-one.
287
00:13:03,347 --> 00:13:05,218
But in Hardiman's calendar,
he mentions
288
00:13:05,219 --> 00:13:07,176
that he met with someone else
from the company
289
00:13:07,177 --> 00:13:08,743
by the name of Kevin Goodall?
290
00:13:08,744 --> 00:13:10,527
Sure.
He's our head of research.
291
00:13:10,528 --> 00:13:12,878
Well, Hardiman wanted it
to be just the two of them,
292
00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:15,663
but I insisted on attending.
- And why is that?
293
00:13:15,664 --> 00:13:18,840
Norm founded this company
40 years ago.
294
00:13:18,841 --> 00:13:21,843
He devoted his time and capital
into researching cures
295
00:13:21,844 --> 00:13:24,324
for rare diseases,
whereas Tom Hardiman--
296
00:13:24,325 --> 00:13:25,673
thank you--
297
00:13:25,674 --> 00:13:28,371
is a high-end pickpocket
in a Brioni suit,
298
00:13:28,372 --> 00:13:31,548
trying to tell Norman Munson,
who started as a doctor
299
00:13:31,549 --> 00:13:33,855
and is one of the pioneers
of drug research,
300
00:13:33,856 --> 00:13:36,684
how to run
his pharmaceutical business?
301
00:13:36,685 --> 00:13:39,252
The arrogance.
302
00:13:39,253 --> 00:13:42,995
So, yeah, I wanted to be there.
303
00:13:42,996 --> 00:13:45,780
Sounds like maybe things
got a little heated.
304
00:13:45,781 --> 00:13:49,392
No.
305
00:13:49,393 --> 00:13:50,916
Norm is a class act.
306
00:13:50,917 --> 00:13:52,656
He refused to take the bait.
307
00:13:52,657 --> 00:13:54,833
Eventually Hardiman backed off,
308
00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:57,836
and the whole thing stayed
pleasantly professional.
309
00:13:57,837 --> 00:14:01,840
Did Hardiman seem distracted
or stressed?
310
00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:04,146
I don't know
the guy's baseline.
311
00:14:04,147 --> 00:14:08,542
But the meeting was shorter
than I would have anticipated.
312
00:14:08,543 --> 00:14:11,458
Thought he would've stuck
around and pressed his points.
313
00:14:11,459 --> 00:14:13,721
It took about 30 minutes or so.
314
00:14:13,722 --> 00:14:16,028
Then he ran out of here
like he had a plane to catch.
315
00:14:16,029 --> 00:14:18,378
- What time was that?
- Uh, 6:30.
316
00:14:18,379 --> 00:14:19,901
Do you know
where he was going?
317
00:14:19,902 --> 00:14:21,511
No, he wasn't
the chatty type.
318
00:14:21,512 --> 00:14:24,863
Okay, well, just so we
can cross you off the list,
319
00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:26,952
where were you last night
at 8:00 p.m.?
320
00:14:26,953 --> 00:14:29,737
I was at home with my wife,
321
00:14:29,738 --> 00:14:32,392
telling her what
a clown Hardiman is--
322
00:14:32,393 --> 00:14:35,396
was.
323
00:14:36,005 --> 00:14:38,398
Just got off the phone
with Goodall's wife.
324
00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:40,617
She confirms
he was home at 8:00.
325
00:14:40,618 --> 00:14:41,836
And Munson's family
326
00:14:41,837 --> 00:14:43,707
corroborates
his version of events.
327
00:14:43,708 --> 00:14:46,362
Well, I got video of Hardiman
leaving WellPoint at 6:30,
328
00:14:46,363 --> 00:14:47,973
like Goodall said.
329
00:14:47,974 --> 00:14:49,757
Uh, he is pacing.
330
00:14:49,758 --> 00:14:51,628
Looks like he's yelling
at somebody on his phone.
331
00:14:51,629 --> 00:14:53,326
And then he heads off
down the street,
332
00:14:53,327 --> 00:14:54,457
and we lose him on the cameras.
333
00:14:54,458 --> 00:14:56,242
And according
to his call log,
334
00:14:56,243 --> 00:14:58,287
at 6:38, he called
a number registered
335
00:14:58,288 --> 00:14:59,680
to Preston Kane four times.
336
00:14:59,681 --> 00:15:02,248
Who's Preston Kane?
337
00:15:02,249 --> 00:15:07,471
He's the chairman
of WellPoint Therapeutics.
338
00:15:09,604 --> 00:15:11,866
Yes, I got a couple calls,
but I didn't pick up,
339
00:15:11,867 --> 00:15:13,912
and I was out when Tom appeared
on my doorbell cam.
340
00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:15,696
Do you know why he came by?
341
00:15:15,697 --> 00:15:17,350
Hardiman had
a one-track mind.
342
00:15:17,351 --> 00:15:19,439
Every call and meeting
was about the same thing--
343
00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,702
he wanted to fire
Norman Munson.
344
00:15:21,703 --> 00:15:23,747
- Why is that?
- Change the company's focus.
345
00:15:23,748 --> 00:15:26,533
Redirect our R&D to big-market,
high-profit therapies.
346
00:15:26,534 --> 00:15:28,361
Well, that sounds
like Hardiman's MO.
347
00:15:28,362 --> 00:15:31,407
It is, except
the WellPoint board loves Norm.
348
00:15:31,408 --> 00:15:33,714
Everyone loves Norm,
despite the company's
349
00:15:33,715 --> 00:15:36,586
lackluster financial results
the past few years.
350
00:15:36,587 --> 00:15:39,024
So Hardiman wanted him fired,
but the board wasn't having it?
351
00:15:39,025 --> 00:15:40,677
Mm.
352
00:15:40,678 --> 00:15:42,505
Couple board members were on
the fence, but you're correct.
353
00:15:42,506 --> 00:15:44,594
Hardiman was never gonna get
the votes he needed.
354
00:15:44,595 --> 00:15:46,205
It was driving him crazy.
355
00:15:46,206 --> 00:15:48,859
Why so much love
for Norm Munson?
356
00:15:48,860 --> 00:15:51,340
Look, it's not the most
popular concept these days,
357
00:15:51,341 --> 00:15:53,560
but Munson believes
there are things
358
00:15:53,561 --> 00:15:55,518
more important than profit.
359
00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:57,868
He believes in a greater good.
360
00:15:57,869 --> 00:15:59,261
Hardiman called you 4 times,
361
00:15:59,262 --> 00:16:01,307
and one of the calls lasted
17 seconds.
362
00:16:01,308 --> 00:16:03,309
Are you sure he
didn't reach you?
363
00:16:03,310 --> 00:16:04,875
He left a voicemail--
364
00:16:04,876 --> 00:16:08,401
"I finally got what I need.
Norm Munson is a goner."
365
00:16:22,285 --> 00:16:23,546
Ryan Elliott?
366
00:16:23,547 --> 00:16:24,808
I'm Detective Riley.
367
00:16:24,809 --> 00:16:27,072
This is Lieutenant Brady.
NYPD.
368
00:16:27,073 --> 00:16:29,509
We were told you worked
closely with Tom Hardiman.
369
00:16:29,510 --> 00:16:33,557
Yeah,
until he fired me yesterday.
370
00:16:35,559 --> 00:16:36,690
Don't worry.
371
00:16:36,691 --> 00:16:38,561
I was throwing back
Patron shots
372
00:16:38,562 --> 00:16:40,999
with a half dozen colleagues
when Hardiman hit the pavement.
373
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,088
You sound
really broken up about it.
374
00:16:43,089 --> 00:16:46,134
What can I say?
The guy was a prick.
375
00:16:46,135 --> 00:16:49,007
The thing that
really gets to me, though,
376
00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:51,574
is I knew it but tried
to convince myself
377
00:16:51,575 --> 00:16:54,012
that he was actually
a decent human being.
378
00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:56,275
What do you know
about Hardiman's relationship
379
00:16:56,276 --> 00:16:58,320
with Norman Munson?
- He hated that man.
380
00:16:58,321 --> 00:17:01,019
He spent 50% of his time
trying to fire his ass.
381
00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:03,108
Already had his successor
picked out, too.
382
00:17:03,109 --> 00:17:05,327
Hardiman chose
Munson's successor?
383
00:17:05,328 --> 00:17:07,547
And a three-year
business plan.
384
00:17:07,548 --> 00:17:09,201
He shared it with the board.
385
00:17:09,202 --> 00:17:11,638
- Munson knew about this?
- He sure did.
386
00:17:11,639 --> 00:17:13,553
But he didn't care.
387
00:17:13,554 --> 00:17:16,556
Told Hardiman to kiss his ass.
388
00:17:16,557 --> 00:17:18,601
Well, apparently,
Hardiman left a voicemail
389
00:17:18,602 --> 00:17:20,734
with WellPoint's chairman
of the board.
390
00:17:20,735 --> 00:17:21,996
Preston Kane.
391
00:17:21,997 --> 00:17:23,693
Yeah, something
about how he finally had
392
00:17:23,694 --> 00:17:25,782
what he needed
to get Munson fired,
393
00:17:25,783 --> 00:17:27,610
like he had some smoking gun.
394
00:17:27,611 --> 00:17:29,873
And 30 minutes or so later,
he was dead,
395
00:17:29,874 --> 00:17:31,614
so we think
there's some connection.
396
00:17:31,615 --> 00:17:33,051
Whatever Hardiman discovered
397
00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:35,096
might have triggered someone
to kill him.
398
00:17:35,097 --> 00:17:37,142
I wish
I could help you, but...
399
00:17:37,143 --> 00:17:39,492
I don't know
anything about that.
400
00:17:39,493 --> 00:17:42,235
Sorry.
401
00:17:42,931 --> 00:17:47,501
Okay, well, thank you
for your time.
402
00:17:48,893 --> 00:17:51,286
Well, one thing's clear--
403
00:17:51,287 --> 00:17:54,115
Munson lied to us when he told
us that meeting with Hardiman
404
00:17:54,116 --> 00:17:56,552
ended in some sort
of gentlemen's agreement.
405
00:17:56,553 --> 00:17:58,380
Yeah, it sounds like that
one-on-one
406
00:17:58,381 --> 00:18:00,382
wasn't quite as friendly
as he suggested, huh?
407
00:18:00,383 --> 00:18:03,081
Yeah, maybe he's not as warm
and cuddly as he looks.
408
00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:04,821
Even a teddy bear
is gonna get its back up
409
00:18:04,822 --> 00:18:06,997
when some young hotshot's
trying to fire him
410
00:18:06,998 --> 00:18:08,999
from his own damn company.
411
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,176
Sounds like motive.
412
00:18:11,177 --> 00:18:14,309
Yeah, but, I mean,
what, Munson's 70?
413
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:16,703
He didn't seem
like a killer type to me.
414
00:18:16,704 --> 00:18:18,835
And his family said that he was
home at the time of the murder.
415
00:18:18,836 --> 00:18:20,446
Maybe they're covering
for him.
416
00:18:20,447 --> 00:18:22,491
Just pull more video
from the WellPoint offices
417
00:18:22,492 --> 00:18:23,971
and the crime scene.
418
00:18:23,972 --> 00:18:25,842
We just need one shot
of Munson,
419
00:18:25,843 --> 00:18:27,409
hopefully wearing a brown hat.
420
00:18:27,410 --> 00:18:29,629
And then we can get
a warrant for his DNA.
421
00:18:31,675 --> 00:18:33,285
What's going on here?
422
00:18:33,286 --> 00:18:34,808
Sorry, sir.
You're gonna step aside.
423
00:18:34,809 --> 00:18:36,723
- This is my company.
- Sir, step aside.
424
00:18:36,724 --> 00:18:38,986
Kevin Goodall,
we need to talk.
425
00:18:38,987 --> 00:18:40,857
We found video of you
at the crime scene
426
00:18:40,858 --> 00:18:42,381
and your DNA on the victim.
427
00:18:42,382 --> 00:18:44,557
Which means you're
under arrest for murder.
428
00:18:44,558 --> 00:18:46,167
You have the right
to remain silent.
429
00:18:46,168 --> 00:18:48,126
- Kevin, what's going on?
- Don't talk to anyone, Norm.
430
00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:49,823
- I don't understand.
- Say nothing to anyone!
431
00:18:55,612 --> 00:18:58,223
I can't wait.
432
00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:00,747
Uh, hey, I got to go.
433
00:19:00,748 --> 00:19:03,315
Yep.
See you later.
434
00:19:03,316 --> 00:19:05,318
Mm-hmm.
435
00:19:08,234 --> 00:19:10,887
You have no poker face, Nolan.
436
00:19:10,888 --> 00:19:12,889
It's the mystery woman,
isn't it?
437
00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:15,065
You're clearly smitten.
438
00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:16,632
Uh, no comment.
439
00:19:16,633 --> 00:19:18,547
Just give me something--
440
00:19:18,548 --> 00:19:21,159
how you met, what she does.
441
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,292
She is a psychiatrist.
442
00:19:24,293 --> 00:19:26,294
Don't say it.
443
00:19:26,295 --> 00:19:27,817
No, I won't.
444
00:19:27,818 --> 00:19:30,255
'Cause I can think
of absolutely no reason
445
00:19:30,256 --> 00:19:32,126
for you to be seeing
a psychiatrist.
446
00:19:32,127 --> 00:19:35,347
- How'd the arraignment go?
- Judge Romano granted bail.
447
00:19:35,348 --> 00:19:37,653
- On a murder two charge?
- Yeah.
448
00:19:37,654 --> 00:19:39,525
Defense rattled off
Goodall's rรฉsumรฉ.
449
00:19:39,526 --> 00:19:42,919
He's got awards
from the NIH, CDC,
450
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,095
MD, PhD in pharmacology,
451
00:19:45,096 --> 00:19:48,229
member of the AMA,
an active community member
452
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:50,492
who has never so much
as gotten a speeding ticket.
453
00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:53,234
Not our first
golden-boy murderer.
454
00:19:53,235 --> 00:19:55,193
- Yeah.
- How's our evidence?
455
00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:59,109
Video showing Goodall
leaving WellPoint at 7:30 p.m.,
456
00:19:59,110 --> 00:20:00,850
heading in the direction
of the crime scene,
457
00:20:00,851 --> 00:20:02,330
and then one block away,
458
00:20:02,331 --> 00:20:04,114
putting on a brown hat
that matches the description
459
00:20:04,115 --> 00:20:05,725
from the taxi driver.
460
00:20:05,726 --> 00:20:09,250
Plus, his DNA was a full match
to the third-party DNA
461
00:20:09,251 --> 00:20:10,730
found on the victim.
462
00:20:10,731 --> 00:20:12,906
- Why'd he do it?
- I'm not sure yet.
463
00:20:12,907 --> 00:20:15,604
W-we know Hardiman was gunning
to fire Goodall's boss.
464
00:20:15,605 --> 00:20:17,780
So let's find out what
would have happened to Goodall
465
00:20:17,781 --> 00:20:19,652
if Hardiman had had his way.
466
00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:21,784
Otherwise,
your evidence is solid.
467
00:20:21,785 --> 00:20:23,569
I'm not so sure about that.
468
00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:27,574
Defense just filed
a motion to suppress the DNA.
469
00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,447
It's a Fourth Amendment
violation,
470
00:20:32,448 --> 00:20:34,884
a total invasion
of my client's privacy.
471
00:20:34,885 --> 00:20:37,800
Your Honor, the defendant
voluntarily surrendered his DNA
472
00:20:37,801 --> 00:20:40,107
and blood to his employer
without signing or--
473
00:20:40,108 --> 00:20:42,457
or demanding any agreement
that his employer keep
474
00:20:42,458 --> 00:20:44,590
those records confidential.
- Is this true?
475
00:20:44,591 --> 00:20:46,505
Only because the sample
was provided
476
00:20:46,506 --> 00:20:48,550
years before standard
privacy forms,
477
00:20:48,551 --> 00:20:50,770
before the government
was actively assembling
478
00:20:50,771 --> 00:20:52,815
DNA databases to solve crimes.
479
00:20:52,816 --> 00:20:55,427
Please tell me police
at least had a subpoena.
480
00:20:55,428 --> 00:20:57,951
Yes, they had reason to
believe Goodall was the killer,
481
00:20:57,952 --> 00:20:59,561
so we served the company
with a grand jury subpoena
482
00:20:59,562 --> 00:21:01,259
to produce Goodall's DNA,
483
00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,435
which, again,
he had voluntarily provided
484
00:21:03,436 --> 00:21:04,784
to the company.
485
00:21:04,785 --> 00:21:07,656
This was not some
wild database goose chase.
486
00:21:07,657 --> 00:21:10,877
It is an incontrovertible
good for medical researchers
487
00:21:10,878 --> 00:21:13,271
to provide their blood
and DNA in labs
488
00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:16,274
so that research can proceed
accurately and safely
489
00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,450
without any risk
of cross-contamination.
490
00:21:18,451 --> 00:21:20,974
But if we violate the privacy
of these doctors
491
00:21:20,975 --> 00:21:22,758
because of a technicality,
492
00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:25,805
you put future
life-saving research at risk
493
00:21:25,806 --> 00:21:27,154
because nobody will sign up
494
00:21:27,155 --> 00:21:29,678
to hand over their DNA
for science.
495
00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:31,114
I agree.
496
00:21:31,115 --> 00:21:32,768
Your Honor,
w-we could have gotten
497
00:21:32,769 --> 00:21:34,944
a separate warrant t-to collect
the DNA after the arrest.
498
00:21:34,945 --> 00:21:38,208
An arrest based on this
first invasion of privacy--
499
00:21:38,209 --> 00:21:41,777
fruit of the poisonous tree.
500
00:21:41,778 --> 00:21:43,910
The DNA is out.
501
00:21:43,911 --> 00:21:47,174
And you won't be getting any
other warrant to get it either.
502
00:21:59,056 --> 00:22:02,320
And Tom Hardiman was
notorious for ousting CEOs
503
00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,974
and installing new ones?
- Correct.
504
00:22:04,975 --> 00:22:06,193
Did he articulate this plan
505
00:22:06,194 --> 00:22:07,847
to members
of the WellPoint board?
506
00:22:07,848 --> 00:22:09,370
Brought it up
at every meeting,
507
00:22:09,371 --> 00:22:10,937
even called me a few times.
508
00:22:10,938 --> 00:22:13,940
In fact, he had proposed
a specific replacement CEO.
509
00:22:13,941 --> 00:22:16,464
Yes, called him
a brilliant shark.
510
00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:19,249
The night Tom Hardiman
was killed,
511
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:21,208
he left you
an urgent voicemail, correct?
512
00:22:21,209 --> 00:22:22,818
And he tried
to find you at home.
513
00:22:22,819 --> 00:22:24,385
- Correct.
- Do you know why?
514
00:22:24,386 --> 00:22:26,256
His voicemail suggested
he'd finally found a way
515
00:22:26,257 --> 00:22:27,519
to get rid of Munson.
516
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,129
"I finally got what I need.
517
00:22:29,130 --> 00:22:31,349
Munson's a goner,"
were his words.
518
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:34,090
And if Munson was gone,
519
00:22:34,091 --> 00:22:36,789
what would happen to
the defendant, Kevin Goodall?
520
00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:38,399
Objection. Speculative.
521
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,619
Uh, Your Honor,
the victim shared
522
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:43,317
his own WellPoint three-year
business plan with the witness.
523
00:22:43,318 --> 00:22:46,102
Overruled.
Mr. Kane, please answer.
524
00:22:46,103 --> 00:22:48,540
Munson hired Goodall
right out of medical school,
525
00:22:48,541 --> 00:22:50,019
treated him like a son.
526
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:52,848
Hardiman told us
the new CEO would clean house.
527
00:22:52,849 --> 00:22:54,284
And that meant firing Goodall.
528
00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:56,069
Thank you. Nothing further.
529
00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:01,944
Is Kevin Goodall a capable
head of medical research?
530
00:23:01,945 --> 00:23:03,598
He's excellent.
531
00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:06,514
Under his oversight, how many
drugs has WellPoint patented
532
00:23:06,515 --> 00:23:07,907
and brought to market?
533
00:23:07,908 --> 00:23:09,778
Last ten years?
Seven.
534
00:23:09,779 --> 00:23:12,259
Are you aware
he'd received four offers
535
00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:14,957
from competing firms
in the past year alone
536
00:23:14,958 --> 00:23:16,524
for better pay?
537
00:23:16,525 --> 00:23:19,309
I heard about one.
The others don't surprise me.
538
00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:21,616
Kevin is
a well-respected researcher.
539
00:23:21,617 --> 00:23:23,444
And we knew he only stayed
at WellPoint
540
00:23:23,445 --> 00:23:25,403
out of loyalty
to Norm's vision.
541
00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:27,709
Do you have any reason
to believe that Kevin Goodall
542
00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:30,973
had financial problems?
- No.
543
00:23:30,974 --> 00:23:33,149
Have you ever been
to Kevin Goodall's home?
544
00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:35,108
Yes, once, for dinner.
545
00:23:38,591 --> 00:23:41,288
Is this it,
on Central Park West?
546
00:23:41,289 --> 00:23:42,681
Objection. Relevance.
547
00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:44,900
Prosecution
put forth a theory
548
00:23:44,901 --> 00:23:46,772
that my client's motive
was anxiety
549
00:23:46,773 --> 00:23:49,470
about losing
his $600,000-a-year job.
550
00:23:49,471 --> 00:23:51,124
Mr. Kane can rebut that.
551
00:23:51,125 --> 00:23:53,213
I'll allow.
Mr. Kane?
552
00:23:53,214 --> 00:23:54,997
Yes, this is Kevin's home.
553
00:23:54,998 --> 00:23:59,785
He purchased it
for $12.7 million in 2019.
554
00:23:59,786 --> 00:24:01,917
Not bad
for a medical researcher.
555
00:24:01,918 --> 00:24:05,181
I believe there's family
money there from real estate.
556
00:24:05,182 --> 00:24:07,836
So do you have any reason
to believe that Kevin Goodall
557
00:24:07,837 --> 00:24:10,360
was desperate to keep
his job at WellPoint,
558
00:24:10,361 --> 00:24:14,061
so desperate
he would kill for it?
559
00:24:14,931 --> 00:24:17,846
No, not at all.
560
00:24:25,942 --> 00:24:27,552
Defense is right.
561
00:24:27,553 --> 00:24:29,771
If Goodall is that wealthy,
he didn't even need to work.
562
00:24:29,772 --> 00:24:32,382
Why would he stress about
losing his job at WellPoint?
563
00:24:32,383 --> 00:24:34,384
The motive still
doesn't add up yet.
564
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:38,519
What are we missing?
565
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,001
This murder was emotional, improvised.
566
00:24:42,002 --> 00:24:45,221
Nobody plans to push
someone in front of a taxi.
567
00:24:45,222 --> 00:24:47,136
So what set it in motion?
568
00:24:49,009 --> 00:24:51,793
Maybe something happened
at the WellPoint meeting
569
00:24:51,794 --> 00:24:54,492
between Hardiman, Munson,
and Goodall?
570
00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:57,582
Something that rattled Goodall?
571
00:24:57,583 --> 00:25:01,151
Made him angry
or worried enough to kill.
572
00:25:02,239 --> 00:25:03,762
I'm saying nothing.
573
00:25:03,763 --> 00:25:05,981
We just want to know
about the meeting that day,
574
00:25:05,982 --> 00:25:09,203
if anything happened
to upset Kevin Goodall.
575
00:25:10,552 --> 00:25:11,857
Do you know how many hours
576
00:25:11,858 --> 00:25:14,642
of rigorous,
meticulous laboratory oversight
577
00:25:14,643 --> 00:25:20,780
goes into bringing
a life-saving drug to market?
578
00:25:20,997 --> 00:25:25,653
It's not a job.
It is a sacred commitment.
579
00:25:25,654 --> 00:25:27,829
It takes constant vigilance.
580
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:31,050
Goodall is
a great researcher...
581
00:25:31,051 --> 00:25:33,008
and a great man.
582
00:25:33,009 --> 00:25:35,924
Mr. Munson has to prepare
for a call.
583
00:25:35,925 --> 00:25:37,883
You've got the wrong guy.
584
00:25:45,195 --> 00:25:47,762
Mr. Munson did nothing wrong
in that meeting.
585
00:25:47,763 --> 00:25:49,634
Please stop agitating him.
586
00:25:49,635 --> 00:25:51,418
How do you know
he did nothing wrong?
587
00:25:51,419 --> 00:25:52,637
Were you there?
588
00:25:52,638 --> 00:25:53,986
I attend all
of Mr. Munson's meetings.
589
00:25:53,987 --> 00:25:55,553
I'm with him
the entire workday.
590
00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:57,337
Okay, then why don't you
just tell us what went down?
591
00:25:57,338 --> 00:25:59,426
Did Hardiman threaten Munson?
Did he threaten Goodall?
592
00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:01,080
I can't answer
any further questions.
593
00:26:01,081 --> 00:26:03,125
Just so you know,
the DA can subpoena you
594
00:26:03,126 --> 00:26:04,431
to appear in court.
595
00:26:04,432 --> 00:26:05,606
I can't speak.
596
00:26:05,607 --> 00:26:08,000
I'm bound
by New York State law.
597
00:26:08,001 --> 00:26:09,872
What law?
598
00:26:11,265 --> 00:26:13,658
HIPAA.
599
00:26:13,659 --> 00:26:15,398
I'm Norman Munson's nurse.
600
00:26:17,663 --> 00:26:19,533
Hmm. Here we go.
601
00:26:19,534 --> 00:26:22,144
Munson's assistant--
before this,
602
00:26:22,145 --> 00:26:26,453
he spent five years working at
the Flowering Garden Facility
603
00:26:26,454 --> 00:26:28,107
in Queens.
604
00:26:28,108 --> 00:26:30,414
What is that?
605
00:26:30,937 --> 00:26:33,983
Memory-care facility.
606
00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:39,118
According to his financials,
607
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,817
Munson made
three large payments this year
608
00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:45,994
to a Dr. Naomi Nezkahmi.
609
00:26:45,995 --> 00:26:48,693
Nezkahmi.
610
00:26:48,694 --> 00:26:50,129
She's a neurologist.
611
00:26:52,828 --> 00:26:55,613
That's it.
612
00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:59,138
That's the smoking gun
Hardiman was looking for.
613
00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:05,624
Norman Munson has dementia.
614
00:27:06,102 --> 00:27:08,669
Somehow, Hardiman discovered
Munson's dementia
615
00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:10,889
at that meeting.
- Well, he must have.
616
00:27:10,890 --> 00:27:13,587
It was a pretty late meeting.
617
00:27:13,588 --> 00:27:17,939
In my father's last years,
he struggled to stay sharp.
618
00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:20,986
But after an hour,
especially in the afternoon,
619
00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:23,118
his basic recall always failed.
620
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,380
He could tell you every detail
621
00:27:24,381 --> 00:27:26,426
of what happened
in his childhood,
622
00:27:26,427 --> 00:27:28,515
but he would forget
what he had for breakfast.
623
00:27:28,516 --> 00:27:30,691
I remember the shame
on his face
624
00:27:30,692 --> 00:27:32,606
when he couldn't find
an answer.
625
00:27:32,607 --> 00:27:34,652
It was--it was heartbreaking.
626
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:37,872
So Munson tripped up,
and Hardiman saw it.
627
00:27:37,873 --> 00:27:40,266
And Goodall saw it.
628
00:27:40,267 --> 00:27:41,789
My guess--
629
00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:44,705
that's why Goodall was
in the meeting to begin with.
630
00:27:44,706 --> 00:27:46,751
He spends a lot of time
with Munson.
631
00:27:46,752 --> 00:27:48,753
He had to know
about Munson's decline.
632
00:27:48,754 --> 00:27:50,798
He was guarding the secret,
633
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:53,627
because if the board found out
about Munson's dementia...
634
00:27:53,628 --> 00:27:57,065
Forget about votes.
That would force his dismissal.
635
00:27:57,066 --> 00:28:00,852
So Hardiman was going
to expose Munson's condition,
636
00:28:00,853 --> 00:28:02,636
have him fired.
637
00:28:02,637 --> 00:28:05,334
That still only gets you
halfway to motive.
638
00:28:05,335 --> 00:28:09,208
Why would Goodall kill
to keep Munson as CEO?
639
00:28:09,209 --> 00:28:11,297
You said he was rich,
had job options.
640
00:28:11,298 --> 00:28:13,299
I know. I've been digging
into Goodall's life.
641
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,431
He was the furthest thing
from desperate.
642
00:28:15,432 --> 00:28:17,216
He donated lots of money,
643
00:28:17,217 --> 00:28:20,132
tens of thousands
to various schools, hospitals.
644
00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:22,569
Whatever motivated him,
his wife seemed to know.
645
00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:24,963
She vouched
for his alibi, right?
646
00:28:24,964 --> 00:28:27,052
Lied to police
about what time he got home.
647
00:28:27,053 --> 00:28:29,402
Yeah, there's no way
she's gonna talk to us.
648
00:28:29,403 --> 00:28:32,187
When Goodall's wife lied,
she waived privilege.
649
00:28:32,188 --> 00:28:34,276
Give it a shot.
Track her down.
650
00:28:39,587 --> 00:28:42,284
Rachel Goodall--
her housekeeper said
651
00:28:42,285 --> 00:28:44,025
she's been here
since 7:00 a.m.?
652
00:28:44,026 --> 00:28:45,766
Yes, Mrs. Goodall
is an early bird,
653
00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:48,029
always here
at the crack of dawn.
654
00:28:48,030 --> 00:28:49,858
Here we are.
655
00:28:50,685 --> 00:28:52,207
Do you mind?
656
00:28:52,208 --> 00:28:54,644
The kids are fragile.
657
00:28:54,645 --> 00:28:58,213
Leukemia, Batten disease--
here for our trials.
658
00:29:07,093 --> 00:29:08,876
Mrs. Goodall is over there.
659
00:29:13,012 --> 00:29:15,883
I am not talking to you.
660
00:29:15,884 --> 00:29:17,102
Please leave.
661
00:29:17,103 --> 00:29:19,060
We just have some questions.
Please.
662
00:29:19,061 --> 00:29:20,845
I'm not gonna help you
with anything.
663
00:29:20,846 --> 00:29:22,411
We can subpoena you.
664
00:29:22,412 --> 00:29:25,240
That is the least
of my concerns.
665
00:29:28,679 --> 00:29:31,116
Hi, sweetie.
What's your name?
666
00:29:44,565 --> 00:29:46,914
Is this Kevin Goodall's
daughter?
667
00:29:46,915 --> 00:29:48,307
She can't speak?
668
00:29:48,308 --> 00:29:49,961
Batten disease.
669
00:29:49,962 --> 00:29:53,007
It's brutal.
670
00:29:53,008 --> 00:29:56,184
It erodes the ability
to communicate...
671
00:29:56,185 --> 00:30:00,319
on top of the seizures,
the disorientation,
672
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,278
eventual blindness.
- Oh. They're all kids?
673
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,715
Symptoms present
around the age of six.
674
00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:06,978
From that point,
675
00:30:06,979 --> 00:30:09,154
the body essentially starts
to deteriorate.
676
00:30:09,155 --> 00:30:11,460
You're running the trials
for WellPoint, correct?
677
00:30:11,461 --> 00:30:13,027
We're one year in.
678
00:30:13,028 --> 00:30:15,813
How's it going?
Are you close to a cure?
679
00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:17,162
We're getting close,
680
00:30:17,163 --> 00:30:19,555
but we're still
a few years out.
681
00:30:19,556 --> 00:30:23,298
The survival rate
for Batten is under 2%.
682
00:30:23,299 --> 00:30:25,561
That's why we're working
around the clock.
683
00:30:25,562 --> 00:30:28,303
It's the only chance
these kids have.
684
00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:31,177
Thanks.
685
00:30:31,525 --> 00:30:33,918
Goodall didn't kill Hardiman
to save his job.
686
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:37,270
He killed Hardiman
to save his daughter's life.
687
00:30:42,536 --> 00:30:44,667
So, if Hardiman
had been able to install
688
00:30:44,668 --> 00:30:47,061
his new profit-driven CEO
at WellPoint,
689
00:30:47,062 --> 00:30:49,411
what would have been his first
order of business?
690
00:30:49,412 --> 00:30:50,848
Eliminate budget waste.
691
00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,937
Can you elaborate?
692
00:30:52,938 --> 00:30:55,548
WellPoint spends a fortune
on small-market research
693
00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:57,071
into rare diseases.
694
00:30:57,072 --> 00:31:00,118
Hardiman wanted WellPoint
moving to cholesterol,
695
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:01,859
blood pressure,
weight-loss drugs,
696
00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:03,817
products with bigger markets.
697
00:31:03,818 --> 00:31:06,602
So some WellPoint trials
would have ended.
698
00:31:06,603 --> 00:31:08,909
- Immediately.
- Had he done this before--
699
00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:12,086
uh, cut drug research mid-trial
700
00:31:12,087 --> 00:31:14,436
in--in other firms
that he invested in?
701
00:31:14,437 --> 00:31:16,525
It's how he made his money.
702
00:31:16,526 --> 00:31:19,006
Did Tom Hardiman share
his proposed budget cuts
703
00:31:19,007 --> 00:31:20,660
with the WellPoint board?
704
00:31:20,661 --> 00:31:21,879
Yes.
705
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,619
He gave them a list.
706
00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:25,665
I'm gonna show you what was
previously marked as Exhibit 5.
707
00:31:25,666 --> 00:31:27,145
Was this it?
708
00:31:27,146 --> 00:31:30,191
This was presented in June,
a list of drug research
709
00:31:30,192 --> 00:31:33,151
he wanted to end at WellPoint.
- Yes.
710
00:31:33,152 --> 00:31:36,763
Is Batten disease included
on Hardiman's cut list?
711
00:31:36,764 --> 00:31:38,373
Among others, yes.
712
00:31:38,374 --> 00:31:41,681
Uh, Your Honor, I'd like
to submit a photograph.
713
00:31:41,682 --> 00:31:43,248
Objection.
714
00:31:43,249 --> 00:31:45,380
This was from a hospital
newsletter, Your Honor.
715
00:31:45,381 --> 00:31:47,513
It's publicly available.
716
00:31:47,514 --> 00:31:48,644
I'll allow it.
717
00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:55,129
This was taken
at a Mt. Hope Hospital event
718
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:57,088
celebrating the strength
and courage
719
00:31:57,089 --> 00:31:59,220
of children fighting
Batten disease
720
00:31:59,221 --> 00:32:04,095
and participating
in WellPoint's Phase I trials.
721
00:32:04,096 --> 00:32:06,924
Please, could you read
the caption aloud?
722
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:08,534
"Dr. Kevin Goodall
723
00:32:08,535 --> 00:32:11,276
"with his wife
and daughter, Emily...
724
00:32:11,277 --> 00:32:14,975
a patient
battling Batten disease."
725
00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:17,717
So, if Munson
had been removed,
726
00:32:17,718 --> 00:32:19,980
that would have been
a de facto death sentence
727
00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:22,156
for Kevin Goodall's daughter.
- Objection.
728
00:32:22,157 --> 00:32:23,766
Withdrawn.
729
00:32:23,767 --> 00:32:26,944
No further questions.
730
00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:29,163
Did Tom Hardiman
have the power
731
00:32:29,164 --> 00:32:30,904
to fire Norman Munson?
732
00:32:30,905 --> 00:32:32,340
He did not.
733
00:32:32,341 --> 00:32:34,386
Do you have any evidence
that Tom Hardiman,
734
00:32:34,387 --> 00:32:35,953
or anyone for that matter,
735
00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:38,433
had amassed the board votes
to fire Munson?
736
00:32:38,434 --> 00:32:40,870
- It was Tom's plan, but--
- Yes or no.
737
00:32:40,871 --> 00:32:42,872
Had he assembled the votes?
738
00:32:42,873 --> 00:32:44,439
Not that I know of.
739
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,053
So the idea of what Munson's
replacement might change
740
00:32:49,054 --> 00:32:50,663
at WellPoint--
741
00:32:50,664 --> 00:32:55,363
it's total speculation on top
of complete impossibility,
742
00:32:55,364 --> 00:32:59,585
which means my client had
no reason to kill Mr. Hardiman.
743
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:04,982
Nothing further.
744
00:33:09,204 --> 00:33:11,510
As distasteful
as it might seem,
745
00:33:11,511 --> 00:33:13,294
the only way to win this
746
00:33:13,295 --> 00:33:16,254
is to prove that Hardiman
knew Munson had dementia,
747
00:33:16,255 --> 00:33:18,386
and he was gonna use that
to force him out.
748
00:33:18,387 --> 00:33:19,866
How?
749
00:33:19,867 --> 00:33:21,999
We can't get access
to Munson's medical records,
750
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,523
let alone present them in
court, without violating HIPAA.
751
00:33:24,524 --> 00:33:27,656
We have to call Munson
to the stand.
752
00:33:27,657 --> 00:33:29,658
- Based on what?
- Uh, I don't know.
753
00:33:29,659 --> 00:33:32,009
Hardiman's plans to fire him?
- And then?
754
00:33:34,316 --> 00:33:36,143
I'd find a way
to trip him up
755
00:33:36,144 --> 00:33:38,711
and reveal that his
mental acuity is diminished.
756
00:33:38,712 --> 00:33:42,497
That does not feel right,
Nolan, for a lot of reasons.
757
00:33:42,498 --> 00:33:45,457
Look, we can always plead this
to a lesser charge.
758
00:33:45,458 --> 00:33:47,633
Sam, he pushed
the man into a moving car.
759
00:33:47,634 --> 00:33:49,939
That's murder.
- Or manslaughter.
760
00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:52,638
He was acting under extreme
emotional disturbance.
761
00:33:52,639 --> 00:33:55,075
He was panicked
at the idea a new CEO
762
00:33:55,076 --> 00:33:57,251
would abandon
Batten disease research,
763
00:33:57,252 --> 00:33:59,036
that his daughter's life
was in jeopardy.
764
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:00,907
Who gave Goodall
the right to decide
765
00:34:00,908 --> 00:34:02,952
what company shareholders
can and can't know?
766
00:34:02,953 --> 00:34:04,606
Look what happened
to Biden's inner circle
767
00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:06,913
when the world was questioning
his fitness to serve.
768
00:34:06,914 --> 00:34:09,176
No one thought they had
the right to keep that secret.
769
00:34:09,177 --> 00:34:11,222
Norman Munson
is not a commander in chief.
770
00:34:11,223 --> 00:34:13,354
And by all accounts,
in the small portion
771
00:34:13,355 --> 00:34:16,923
of the world he does control,
he did nothing but good.
772
00:34:16,924 --> 00:34:18,751
You want to humiliate him
on the stand
773
00:34:18,752 --> 00:34:21,058
to--to help some
Wall Street guys get richer?
774
00:34:21,059 --> 00:34:24,061
Hardiman's fund still owns
a 24% stake.
775
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:26,585
If Munson goes,
they'll end research,
776
00:34:26,586 --> 00:34:28,891
medical research
to save children's lives--
777
00:34:28,892 --> 00:34:32,112
children we saw, Nolan.
778
00:34:32,113 --> 00:34:34,114
And we're doing this to--
779
00:34:34,115 --> 00:34:37,509
to send a devoted doctor
and father to prison for life
780
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:39,772
to get justice
for a corporate raider?
781
00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:43,080
We don't get to rate
our victims or defendants.
782
00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:47,259
But Munson--
he's a bystander in all this.
783
00:34:48,782 --> 00:34:50,957
Show me any other way.
784
00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:05,624
We are prepared
to offer murder two.
785
00:35:05,625 --> 00:35:09,454
But we'll recommend
15 to 20 years,
786
00:35:09,455 --> 00:35:12,587
which is a gift
for a charge of this magnitude.
787
00:35:12,588 --> 00:35:14,763
Your case is weak, Nolan.
That's why you're here.
788
00:35:14,764 --> 00:35:16,722
No, we're here
because we're offering
789
00:35:16,723 --> 00:35:19,290
a lifeline to your client
and his daughter.
790
00:35:21,597 --> 00:35:23,903
Meaning what?
791
00:35:23,904 --> 00:35:26,775
If you plead this out,
no one will ever find out
792
00:35:26,776 --> 00:35:28,734
about Norman Munson's dementia.
793
00:35:28,735 --> 00:35:30,910
"Dementia"?
That's absurd.
794
00:35:30,911 --> 00:35:33,130
WellPoint is going
to continue its research
795
00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:35,132
into Batten disease,
find a cure.
796
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:36,481
And your daughter will live.
797
00:35:36,482 --> 00:35:38,352
This is one
of the more brazen threats
798
00:35:38,353 --> 00:35:40,180
I've heard all year.
799
00:35:40,181 --> 00:35:42,922
Take this to verdict,
you run two risks.
800
00:35:42,923 --> 00:35:45,968
One, I expose Norman Munson's
cognitive issues,
801
00:35:45,969 --> 00:35:48,232
which means Munson
is gone as CEO
802
00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:50,756
before the judge even sends
the jury off to deliberate.
803
00:35:50,757 --> 00:35:53,933
Two, you will face
a much harsher sentence
804
00:35:53,934 --> 00:35:57,198
than 15 to 20.
805
00:35:57,677 --> 00:36:01,114
Well, we're not gonna lose,
so we'll see you in court.
806
00:36:06,076 --> 00:36:08,077
Oh, o-one more thing--
807
00:36:08,078 --> 00:36:09,383
I mentioned to Judge Dreben,
808
00:36:09,384 --> 00:36:11,342
I have a scheduling conflict
in the morning,
809
00:36:11,343 --> 00:36:14,171
so we'll be calling
Norman Munson late in the day.
810
00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:16,825
Apologies
for any inconvenience.
811
00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:18,610
I hope he's not too tired.
812
00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:29,708
Were you considering
retirement?
813
00:36:29,709 --> 00:36:31,188
Not at all.
814
00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:32,841
No. I love working.
815
00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:36,628
Do you know of any situation
816
00:36:36,629 --> 00:36:39,848
that could force
your termination...
817
00:36:39,849 --> 00:36:44,679
uh, for example, if you were
convicted of a crime?
818
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,073
Well, in that case, I'm out.
819
00:36:47,074 --> 00:36:49,249
What if you were caught
820
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:51,469
deceiving the board
or shareholders?
821
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:52,513
I'd be removed.
822
00:36:52,514 --> 00:36:53,949
What if you were deemed
823
00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:57,866
medically incapable
of fulfilling your duties?
824
00:36:57,867 --> 00:37:00,347
They would have to remove me.
825
00:37:00,348 --> 00:37:02,001
Your Honor, relevance.
826
00:37:02,002 --> 00:37:04,090
We have been at this
for an hour,
827
00:37:04,091 --> 00:37:05,700
and the witness
has made it clear
828
00:37:05,701 --> 00:37:08,225
he was not about to retire
or be fired
829
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:10,052
from WellPoint Therapeutics,
830
00:37:10,053 --> 00:37:12,838
despite all of Mr. Price's
dire hypotheticals.
831
00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:14,405
I'm getting there,
Your Honor.
832
00:37:14,406 --> 00:37:17,408
Defense asks
he get there tomorrow.
833
00:37:17,409 --> 00:37:20,237
It's late.
Requesting an adjournment.
834
00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:23,240
Continue but swiftly.
835
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:26,678
So, Mr. Munson,
once more...
836
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:28,332
for the record,
837
00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:32,249
you had and have no intention
of abandoning your position
838
00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:34,599
as CEO of WellPoint.
839
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,471
- Correct.
- One more question, and...
840
00:37:37,472 --> 00:37:40,039
It's the easiest one
of the day.
841
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,476
Uh...
842
00:37:42,477 --> 00:37:45,263
how did you get here today?
843
00:37:46,873 --> 00:37:49,745
What?
844
00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:53,139
How did you get
to this courthouse?
845
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:55,837
Your Honor, relevance?
846
00:37:55,838 --> 00:37:57,230
Overruled.
847
00:38:02,018 --> 00:38:03,802
I don't--I don't understand.
848
00:38:03,803 --> 00:38:08,197
You arrived at this
courthouse two hours ago.
849
00:38:08,198 --> 00:38:11,549
And I'm simply asking that
you tell us how you got here.
850
00:38:19,732 --> 00:38:22,777
Uh--uh...
851
00:38:29,611 --> 00:38:32,527
Um...
852
00:38:34,268 --> 00:38:36,791
What's the question?
853
00:38:36,792 --> 00:38:39,620
It's how you got here today.
854
00:38:39,621 --> 00:38:41,840
I'm asking how you got
to court today.
855
00:38:45,888 --> 00:38:48,107
Uh...
856
00:38:48,108 --> 00:38:49,848
my car.
857
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:52,590
Really?
You--you came here by car?
858
00:38:52,591 --> 00:38:53,939
Yes, yes.
859
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:56,463
A beautiful...
860
00:38:56,464 --> 00:38:59,988
blue BMW convertible.
861
00:38:59,989 --> 00:39:04,341
We would ride around
with the top down all summer.
862
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:06,473
Do you remember that?
863
00:39:09,738 --> 00:39:11,043
Do I remember?
864
00:39:14,308 --> 00:39:16,788
Mr. Munson.
- Do it. Go, stop it.
865
00:39:16,789 --> 00:39:18,833
Judge, we'd like to meet
in chambers.
866
00:39:27,452 --> 00:39:29,888
I understand you've reached
an agreement on a plea.
867
00:39:29,889 --> 00:39:31,890
Yes, Your Honor,
the defendant has agreed
868
00:39:31,891 --> 00:39:34,240
to plea to a charge
of murder in the second degree.
869
00:39:34,241 --> 00:39:37,896
We recommend
a 15-year prison term.
870
00:39:37,897 --> 00:39:39,593
Mr. Goodall...
871
00:39:39,594 --> 00:39:42,379
do you understand
the terms of this deal?
872
00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:44,163
I do, Your Honor.
873
00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:10,145
- Kevin!
- Rachel.
874
00:40:10,146 --> 00:40:12,060
Rachel.
875
00:40:12,061 --> 00:40:13,584
I'm sorry.
- Kevin!
876
00:40:13,585 --> 00:40:15,586
There was no other way.
877
00:40:15,587 --> 00:40:18,894
Tell Emily I love her.
878
00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:22,070
He was willing
to give up his freedom,
879
00:40:22,071 --> 00:40:24,638
his whole life
for his daughter...
880
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:26,335
for the greater good.
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