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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,831 --> 00:00:07,528 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:07,529 --> 00:00:08,920 the people are represented 3 00:00:08,921 --> 00:00:10,966 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:10,967 --> 00:00:12,968 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:12,969 --> 00:00:15,971 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:15,972 --> 00:00:18,974 These are their stories. 7 00:00:18,975 --> 00:00:20,932 People accuse you of being ruthless 8 00:00:20,933 --> 00:00:23,196 in your investment philosophy, especially considering-- 9 00:00:23,197 --> 00:00:26,895 I'm the only one keeping these companies honest. 10 00:00:26,896 --> 00:00:29,463 There's rampant mismanagement and waste 11 00:00:29,464 --> 00:00:31,030 in corporate America-- 12 00:00:31,031 --> 00:00:34,555 unearned bonuses, excessive salaries. 13 00:00:34,556 --> 00:00:38,254 When I buy a stake in a company, 14 00:00:38,255 --> 00:00:40,039 I become a watchdog. 15 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,997 Some would say a rabid watchdog. 16 00:00:41,998 --> 00:00:45,435 Even better. 17 00:00:45,436 --> 00:00:48,699 But I'm doing it for the little guy-- 18 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:53,095 uh, the cops, the teachers, the nurses. 19 00:00:53,096 --> 00:00:56,185 They own publicly traded stocks in their 401s, 20 00:00:56,186 --> 00:00:59,014 in their IRAs. 21 00:00:59,015 --> 00:01:02,061 I keep the fat cats honest, 22 00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:05,673 make them justify decisions, their compensation-- 23 00:01:05,674 --> 00:01:08,241 So you consider yourself a public servant? 24 00:01:08,242 --> 00:01:11,026 Uh, no, no, no. 25 00:01:11,027 --> 00:01:12,375 I'm a capitalist. 26 00:01:12,376 --> 00:01:14,856 My goal is to make money 27 00:01:14,857 --> 00:01:17,163 for me and for all the other shareholders 28 00:01:17,164 --> 00:01:19,469 who put their faith in the hands of executives 29 00:01:19,470 --> 00:01:22,429 running publicly traded companies. 30 00:01:22,430 --> 00:01:24,083 Museum of Natural History. 31 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:26,172 I believe in growth, prosperity, 32 00:01:26,173 --> 00:01:28,217 pushing for change 33 00:01:28,218 --> 00:01:31,656 in the name of the greater good. 34 00:01:32,962 --> 00:01:34,703 Big party? 35 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,018 No, no, no. Oh, my God. 36 00:01:47,019 --> 00:01:49,586 Oh, my God. No. 37 00:01:54,853 --> 00:01:58,073 - Vic's Thomas Hardiman, 53. - What happened? 38 00:01:58,074 --> 00:02:00,119 He was hit by a taxi, 2003 hours. 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,338 - Hit-and-run? - More like hit-and-cry. 40 00:02:02,339 --> 00:02:03,774 The driver was a blubbery mess. 41 00:02:03,775 --> 00:02:04,993 Said there was an altercation. 42 00:02:04,994 --> 00:02:06,342 Vic was shoved in front of the cab. 43 00:02:06,343 --> 00:02:07,691 Did he see who did the shoving? 44 00:02:07,692 --> 00:02:08,910 Nope. 45 00:02:08,911 --> 00:02:10,129 Was there a passenger in the taxi? 46 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:11,434 A woman. 47 00:02:11,435 --> 00:02:13,697 She was on her phone, didn't see anything. 48 00:02:13,698 --> 00:02:15,743 Did the driver give a description? 49 00:02:15,744 --> 00:02:17,092 It was dark. 50 00:02:17,093 --> 00:02:18,920 Couldn't even say if it was a man or woman. 51 00:02:18,921 --> 00:02:21,357 All he said was medium build, wearing some kind of brown hat. 52 00:02:21,358 --> 00:02:23,577 Headed east on foot. - Okay. 53 00:02:23,578 --> 00:02:25,492 Pull all the ARGUS footage from the area. 54 00:02:25,493 --> 00:02:28,451 And since there was a struggle, have the MLI check 55 00:02:28,452 --> 00:02:30,801 for third-party DNA on the vic. - Mm-hmm. 56 00:02:30,802 --> 00:02:33,108 Vic's got his phone here. 57 00:02:33,109 --> 00:02:35,154 And this is a very fancy wallet, 58 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:37,243 so I don't think we're looking at a robbery. 59 00:02:37,244 --> 00:02:40,768 Lives at 1157 57th Street. 60 00:02:40,769 --> 00:02:42,857 That's near Billionaires' Row. 61 00:02:42,858 --> 00:02:44,772 He's got a wedding ring. 62 00:02:44,773 --> 00:02:46,904 Let's go deliver the news. 63 00:02:46,905 --> 00:02:48,471 Till death do us part. 64 00:03:38,435 --> 00:03:40,131 It would be helpful 65 00:03:40,132 --> 00:03:43,134 to know where your husband was this evening, 66 00:03:43,135 --> 00:03:44,527 who he was seeing. 67 00:03:44,528 --> 00:03:46,703 Uh, I wish I could help. 68 00:03:46,704 --> 00:03:49,532 Tom and I have been separated, 69 00:03:49,533 --> 00:03:51,752 about three months now. 70 00:03:51,753 --> 00:03:54,363 Do you know what he was doing in the neighborhood 71 00:03:54,364 --> 00:03:56,583 where he was killed-- West 43rd Street? 72 00:03:56,584 --> 00:03:58,933 Oh. That's by the Harvard Club. 73 00:03:58,934 --> 00:04:03,764 Tom went there most nights, around 8:00 or so. 74 00:04:03,765 --> 00:04:06,723 And did your husband have any enemies, 75 00:04:06,724 --> 00:04:09,030 anyone who might have threatened him? 76 00:04:09,031 --> 00:04:12,251 Do you know who Tom was, what he did? 77 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:13,948 Uh, well, his business card 78 00:04:13,949 --> 00:04:17,821 just said that he ran Broadchurch Investment Fund. 79 00:04:17,822 --> 00:04:20,259 Tom wasn't just any investor. 80 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:22,609 He was an activist investor. 81 00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:23,958 What does that mean? 82 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:25,655 He buys a big stake, 83 00:04:25,656 --> 00:04:28,005 tells them not so nicely what they're doing wrong, 84 00:04:28,006 --> 00:04:29,572 how to run their company. 85 00:04:29,573 --> 00:04:31,574 Used to call those guys "corporate raiders." 86 00:04:31,575 --> 00:04:33,924 So made money, not friends. 87 00:04:33,925 --> 00:04:35,186 Exactly. 88 00:04:35,187 --> 00:04:36,492 How about recently? 89 00:04:36,493 --> 00:04:38,668 Did he get into it with anyone in particular? 90 00:04:38,669 --> 00:04:41,280 I have not kept up on his day-to-day. 91 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:43,107 His girlfriend might know. 92 00:04:43,108 --> 00:04:44,587 His girlfriend? 93 00:04:44,588 --> 00:04:47,590 Some professor up at Hudson. I don't have a name. 94 00:04:47,591 --> 00:04:49,853 Sometimes it's better not to know. 95 00:04:49,854 --> 00:04:51,420 And what about you? 96 00:04:51,421 --> 00:04:53,770 What were you doing tonight around 8:00 p.m.? 97 00:04:53,771 --> 00:04:56,643 I was at my book club. 98 00:04:56,644 --> 00:04:59,254 It's ten women married to fund managers. 99 00:04:59,255 --> 00:05:02,518 We all have a lot of downtime. 100 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:03,867 Okay, well, we're-- 101 00:05:03,868 --> 00:05:05,739 we're gonna ask you to send us some names. 102 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:07,175 Of course. 103 00:05:07,176 --> 00:05:10,658 I can't believe he's really gone. 104 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:13,704 If you think of anything else... 105 00:05:18,361 --> 00:05:20,580 We looked at the university's social media. 106 00:05:20,581 --> 00:05:22,756 Tom Hardiman was a guest lecturer 107 00:05:22,757 --> 00:05:24,235 in your class a few months ago, 108 00:05:24,236 --> 00:05:26,847 and I guess you two, uh, hit it off? 109 00:05:26,848 --> 00:05:29,110 I never meant to fall in love. 110 00:05:29,111 --> 00:05:30,938 There's no one like Tom-- 111 00:05:30,939 --> 00:05:34,245 fearless thinker in an age of cowardly groupthink. 112 00:05:34,246 --> 00:05:35,986 What's a billionaire investor doing 113 00:05:35,987 --> 00:05:37,640 giving a lecture at a college? 114 00:05:37,641 --> 00:05:38,859 No offense. 115 00:05:38,860 --> 00:05:40,817 I teach Information Asymmetry. 116 00:05:40,818 --> 00:05:43,777 It's how knowledge translates into economic power. 117 00:05:43,778 --> 00:05:46,562 So how were things between you two? 118 00:05:46,563 --> 00:05:49,217 We made each other very happy. 119 00:05:49,218 --> 00:05:51,437 Did you see Hardiman last night? 120 00:05:51,438 --> 00:05:55,223 No. I was stuck on campus meeting with students. 121 00:05:55,224 --> 00:05:56,877 You can talk to security. 122 00:05:56,878 --> 00:06:00,663 - Was he receiving any threats? - Some people hated him 123 00:06:00,664 --> 00:06:03,100 or hated the way that he challenged them... 124 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,365 Challenged their rigid old-school ways. 125 00:06:06,366 --> 00:06:08,802 He liked to say he could fill a country with his enemies. 126 00:06:08,803 --> 00:06:10,369 - Got any names? - No. 127 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:12,153 He never took them seriously. 128 00:06:12,154 --> 00:06:14,373 We have to get moving. 129 00:06:14,374 --> 00:06:17,724 Okay, well, if you think of anything... 130 00:06:17,725 --> 00:06:20,379 Any chance your husband found out about the relationship? 131 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:24,906 Of course. I told Marc. It's why I filed for divorce. 132 00:06:26,255 --> 00:06:27,734 Thanks. 133 00:06:27,735 --> 00:06:29,649 All right, that text I got? 134 00:06:29,650 --> 00:06:32,216 They found third-party DNA under Hardiman's nails 135 00:06:32,217 --> 00:06:33,566 and on his jacket. 136 00:06:33,567 --> 00:06:35,829 - Any hits in CODIS? - Nope, but it's male. 137 00:06:35,830 --> 00:06:39,049 I say we talk to the jilted husband. 138 00:06:39,050 --> 00:06:41,312 Ariana told me she was in love. 139 00:06:41,313 --> 00:06:43,576 Hell, I was glad she told me. 140 00:06:43,577 --> 00:06:45,404 Truth is freeing. 141 00:06:45,405 --> 00:06:49,626 And if Ariana wants out, that's her right. 142 00:06:49,844 --> 00:06:51,714 Pretty zen for the guy who called Tom Hardiman 143 00:06:51,715 --> 00:06:53,499 over a dozen times in the past week. 144 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:56,284 Look, I wanted to sit down with the man face-to-face. 145 00:06:56,285 --> 00:06:58,547 That jackass was paying for her divorce lawyer, 146 00:06:58,548 --> 00:07:00,201 bankrolling her custody fight. 147 00:07:00,202 --> 00:07:03,509 If I'm being ferociously honest... 148 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:04,901 that sounds like motive. 149 00:07:04,902 --> 00:07:06,686 I got nothing to hide. 150 00:07:06,687 --> 00:07:08,165 We met for lunch, 151 00:07:08,166 --> 00:07:10,341 and I told Hardiman exactly what I thought of him. 152 00:07:10,342 --> 00:07:12,126 Oh, really? How'd that go? 153 00:07:12,127 --> 00:07:14,433 Things get ugly? They turn physical at all? 154 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:18,088 They probably would have, but some nut job beat me to it. 155 00:07:18,089 --> 00:07:19,873 What does that mean? 156 00:07:19,874 --> 00:07:21,657 As Hardiman was heading for the exit, 157 00:07:21,658 --> 00:07:23,050 some guy comes up, 158 00:07:23,051 --> 00:07:25,400 starts grabbing at him, taking swings. 159 00:07:25,401 --> 00:07:28,795 So I just watched and enjoyed the show. 160 00:07:28,796 --> 00:07:31,275 Okay. You got an alibi for 8:00 p.m. last night? 161 00:07:31,276 --> 00:07:34,409 Yeah. I was leading a seminar on the Lower East Side-- 162 00:07:34,410 --> 00:07:36,803 Finding Your Truth. 163 00:07:36,804 --> 00:07:38,980 You should come sometime. 164 00:07:42,505 --> 00:07:44,201 Hey. 165 00:07:44,202 --> 00:07:46,987 So our life-coach husband was telling the truth. 166 00:07:46,988 --> 00:07:49,859 62 people were learning to be ferociously honest 167 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:51,470 for 180 bucks a pop 168 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:54,124 while Tom Hardiman was getting pushed in front of a cab. 169 00:07:54,125 --> 00:07:56,475 I bet ferocious honesty kills more people per year 170 00:07:56,476 --> 00:07:57,824 than cigarettes. - Yeah. 171 00:07:57,825 --> 00:07:59,521 Yeah, when my wife and I got back together, 172 00:07:59,522 --> 00:08:01,131 we had one agreement-- no questions, 173 00:08:01,132 --> 00:08:02,916 no confessions about our time apart. 174 00:08:02,917 --> 00:08:04,874 What you don't know can't hurt you. 175 00:08:04,875 --> 00:08:07,877 And what you don't say can't be used in a custody battle. 176 00:08:07,878 --> 00:08:09,488 Hey. 177 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:12,055 So I pulled that video you asked for from the restaurant. 178 00:08:12,056 --> 00:08:14,144 Take a look. 179 00:08:14,145 --> 00:08:15,885 There's no match in facial rec, 180 00:08:15,886 --> 00:08:19,454 but there was a patch on his jacket. 181 00:08:19,455 --> 00:08:22,022 Okay, let's do a little digging 182 00:08:22,023 --> 00:08:24,503 and see if anyone was trashing Hardiman 183 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:27,157 at Mercy Hospital. - Yeah. 184 00:08:27,158 --> 00:08:29,595 Couple posts on social media here. 185 00:08:29,596 --> 00:08:32,380 #MercyHospital, #TomHardiman. 186 00:08:32,381 --> 00:08:35,775 There's one from Carlos Guzman, who seems to be a nurse. 187 00:08:35,776 --> 00:08:39,474 This one's a gem from a couple days ago. 188 00:08:39,475 --> 00:08:42,738 "Tom Hardiman has blood on his hands. 189 00:08:42,739 --> 00:08:44,566 Time for retribution." 190 00:08:49,441 --> 00:08:51,747 COO said he worked on the fifth floor? 191 00:08:51,748 --> 00:08:53,227 On Mondays, yeah. 192 00:08:53,228 --> 00:08:56,883 He's on the sixth floor the other four days. 193 00:08:56,884 --> 00:08:59,320 Wait a minute. Is that our guy right there? 194 00:08:59,321 --> 00:09:00,843 Looks like it. 195 00:09:00,844 --> 00:09:04,673 Hey, Carlos Guzman. NYPD. We need to talk to you. 196 00:09:04,674 --> 00:09:06,022 He's gonna rabbit. 197 00:09:19,689 --> 00:09:22,299 All right, all right. Don't move. Don't move. 198 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:26,086 Don't look so surprised. 199 00:09:26,087 --> 00:09:28,176 You're coming with us. 200 00:09:33,964 --> 00:09:36,052 I told you, I got nothing to do with any murder! 201 00:09:36,053 --> 00:09:38,141 Sit down, okay? Sit. 202 00:09:38,142 --> 00:09:40,013 You took swings at Tom Hardiman 203 00:09:40,014 --> 00:09:42,537 outside a midtown bistro, and two days later, he's dead. 204 00:09:42,538 --> 00:09:44,278 You understand why we have questions? 205 00:09:44,279 --> 00:09:46,367 What's your beef with the guy, anyway? 206 00:09:46,368 --> 00:09:48,978 Why this need for retribution? 207 00:09:48,979 --> 00:09:53,113 - Hardiman's fund, uh... - Broadchurch Investments. 208 00:09:53,114 --> 00:09:54,723 They bought a big-ass stake 209 00:09:54,724 --> 00:09:56,464 in the hospital chain I work for. 210 00:09:56,465 --> 00:09:57,770 No one told us. 211 00:09:57,771 --> 00:10:00,120 It's not like we're reading financial news. 212 00:10:00,121 --> 00:10:02,601 But all of a sudden, there's a new head of hospital. 213 00:10:02,602 --> 00:10:04,603 Then half the trauma ward gets fired. 214 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:06,517 So he downsized. 215 00:10:06,518 --> 00:10:07,997 Must have ticked you off. 216 00:10:07,998 --> 00:10:09,869 What ticked me off? 217 00:10:09,870 --> 00:10:12,828 Empty supply closets, no pain meds for patients, 218 00:10:12,829 --> 00:10:14,525 no ventilators. 219 00:10:14,526 --> 00:10:16,832 The nursing staff couldn't even get protective gear. 220 00:10:16,833 --> 00:10:18,094 And so you wanted him dead. 221 00:10:18,095 --> 00:10:20,531 I wanted to expose him. 222 00:10:20,532 --> 00:10:22,359 People need to know the truth. 223 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,796 That's very noble. 224 00:10:23,797 --> 00:10:25,493 But we think there's something more personal. 225 00:10:25,494 --> 00:10:28,061 And we happen to know that your mother died 226 00:10:28,062 --> 00:10:31,542 at Mercy Hospital two months after Hardiman took over. 227 00:10:31,543 --> 00:10:33,675 And that would piss me off 228 00:10:33,676 --> 00:10:36,765 if I found out that some suit's budget cuts led to my mom 229 00:10:36,766 --> 00:10:39,420 not getting the care that she needed. 230 00:10:39,421 --> 00:10:41,727 Carlos, where were you last night around 8:00 p.m.? 231 00:10:41,728 --> 00:10:44,599 At the bedside of a 28-year-old, 232 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,602 who died because we didn't have a goddamn ventilator! 233 00:10:47,603 --> 00:10:51,040 Ask his wife, his parents... 234 00:10:51,041 --> 00:10:52,825 or his two young children. 235 00:10:57,700 --> 00:11:00,397 We will look into that. 236 00:11:00,398 --> 00:11:04,184 Whoever offed Tom Hardiman saved lives, 237 00:11:04,185 --> 00:11:05,881 did good. 238 00:11:13,107 --> 00:11:15,151 Guzman's alibi checks out. 239 00:11:15,152 --> 00:11:16,762 And he's kind of a hero over at Mercy, 240 00:11:16,763 --> 00:11:18,459 so I think we got to cut him loose 241 00:11:18,460 --> 00:11:20,200 before the nursing staff storms this place. 242 00:11:20,201 --> 00:11:21,767 Okay. Do it. 243 00:11:21,768 --> 00:11:25,118 These hedge funds are pillaging our health-care system. 244 00:11:25,119 --> 00:11:27,294 They're also going after newspapers, 245 00:11:27,295 --> 00:11:28,861 toy companies, anything, 246 00:11:28,862 --> 00:11:30,906 as long as there's a green rainbow at the end. 247 00:11:30,907 --> 00:11:32,473 Maybe we should look 248 00:11:32,474 --> 00:11:34,518 into some of Hardiman's other investments, 249 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:36,695 see if there's anyone who feels as passionately as Guzman. 250 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:38,697 Well, according to "The Wall Street Journal," 251 00:11:38,698 --> 00:11:43,005 Hardiman's latest investment was WellPoint Therapeutics. 252 00:11:43,006 --> 00:11:45,834 There's a ton of articles predicting a brutal showdown 253 00:11:45,835 --> 00:11:48,097 between Hardiman and WellPoint's CEO. 254 00:11:48,098 --> 00:11:50,621 I'm looking at Hardiman's calendar. 255 00:11:50,622 --> 00:11:54,060 Last meeting he had on the day he was killed was at WellPoint. 256 00:11:54,061 --> 00:11:56,977 Let's go. 257 00:11:57,673 --> 00:12:00,109 I was shocked to hear about Tom. 258 00:12:00,110 --> 00:12:01,676 He was such a young man. 259 00:12:01,677 --> 00:12:03,678 You had a meeting with him on the day he was killed? 260 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,332 Yeah. We met right here. 261 00:12:05,333 --> 00:12:08,335 Anything strange about the meeting, any arguments? 262 00:12:08,336 --> 00:12:10,511 I'll save you from barking up that tree. 263 00:12:10,512 --> 00:12:12,078 Uh, despite the press hoopla 264 00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:14,994 about a looming showdown between us, 265 00:12:14,995 --> 00:12:16,517 our meeting was cordial. 266 00:12:16,518 --> 00:12:18,780 So don't believe everything you read. 267 00:12:18,781 --> 00:12:20,826 So he wasn't trying to pillage your company? 268 00:12:20,827 --> 00:12:22,262 No. 269 00:12:22,263 --> 00:12:24,394 Well, he--he--he bought a 24% stake, 270 00:12:24,395 --> 00:12:26,353 got himself a seat on the board, 271 00:12:26,354 --> 00:12:28,659 had some thoughts he wanted to share, 272 00:12:28,660 --> 00:12:31,662 asked me for a one-on-one to present his ideas, 273 00:12:31,663 --> 00:12:33,621 and I agreed. - And? 274 00:12:33,622 --> 00:12:38,408 And, uh, it was a pleasant, productive conversation. 275 00:12:38,409 --> 00:12:40,106 Mr. Munson, your conference call 276 00:12:40,107 --> 00:12:41,237 is about to begin. 277 00:12:41,238 --> 00:12:42,848 Ah, yes. Yes, thank you. 278 00:12:42,849 --> 00:12:44,327 Um... 279 00:12:44,328 --> 00:12:46,503 I'm sorry. My assistant will see you out. 280 00:12:46,504 --> 00:12:48,331 Just one last thing for protocol-- 281 00:12:48,332 --> 00:12:50,333 where were you last night at 8:00 p.m.? 282 00:12:50,334 --> 00:12:52,335 I was at home reading a bedtime story 283 00:12:52,336 --> 00:12:53,946 to my grandkids. 284 00:12:53,947 --> 00:12:56,644 We should all be so blessed. 285 00:12:56,645 --> 00:12:59,735 Okay, thank you. 286 00:13:00,910 --> 00:13:03,346 Munson mentioned that his meeting was a one-on-one. 287 00:13:03,347 --> 00:13:05,218 But in Hardiman's calendar, he mentions 288 00:13:05,219 --> 00:13:07,176 that he met with someone else from the company 289 00:13:07,177 --> 00:13:08,743 by the name of Kevin Goodall? 290 00:13:08,744 --> 00:13:10,527 Sure. He's our head of research. 291 00:13:10,528 --> 00:13:12,878 Well, Hardiman wanted it to be just the two of them, 292 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:15,663 but I insisted on attending. - And why is that? 293 00:13:15,664 --> 00:13:18,840 Norm founded this company 40 years ago. 294 00:13:18,841 --> 00:13:21,843 He devoted his time and capital into researching cures 295 00:13:21,844 --> 00:13:24,324 for rare diseases, whereas Tom Hardiman-- 296 00:13:24,325 --> 00:13:25,673 thank you-- 297 00:13:25,674 --> 00:13:28,371 is a high-end pickpocket in a Brioni suit, 298 00:13:28,372 --> 00:13:31,548 trying to tell Norman Munson, who started as a doctor 299 00:13:31,549 --> 00:13:33,855 and is one of the pioneers of drug research, 300 00:13:33,856 --> 00:13:36,684 how to run his pharmaceutical business? 301 00:13:36,685 --> 00:13:39,252 The arrogance. 302 00:13:39,253 --> 00:13:42,995 So, yeah, I wanted to be there. 303 00:13:42,996 --> 00:13:45,780 Sounds like maybe things got a little heated. 304 00:13:45,781 --> 00:13:49,392 No. 305 00:13:49,393 --> 00:13:50,916 Norm is a class act. 306 00:13:50,917 --> 00:13:52,656 He refused to take the bait. 307 00:13:52,657 --> 00:13:54,833 Eventually Hardiman backed off, 308 00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:57,836 and the whole thing stayed pleasantly professional. 309 00:13:57,837 --> 00:14:01,840 Did Hardiman seem distracted or stressed? 310 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:04,146 I don't know the guy's baseline. 311 00:14:04,147 --> 00:14:08,542 But the meeting was shorter than I would have anticipated. 312 00:14:08,543 --> 00:14:11,458 Thought he would've stuck around and pressed his points. 313 00:14:11,459 --> 00:14:13,721 It took about 30 minutes or so. 314 00:14:13,722 --> 00:14:16,028 Then he ran out of here like he had a plane to catch. 315 00:14:16,029 --> 00:14:18,378 - What time was that? - Uh, 6:30. 316 00:14:18,379 --> 00:14:19,901 Do you know where he was going? 317 00:14:19,902 --> 00:14:21,511 No, he wasn't the chatty type. 318 00:14:21,512 --> 00:14:24,863 Okay, well, just so we can cross you off the list, 319 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:26,952 where were you last night at 8:00 p.m.? 320 00:14:26,953 --> 00:14:29,737 I was at home with my wife, 321 00:14:29,738 --> 00:14:32,392 telling her what a clown Hardiman is-- 322 00:14:32,393 --> 00:14:35,396 was. 323 00:14:36,005 --> 00:14:38,398 Just got off the phone with Goodall's wife. 324 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:40,617 She confirms he was home at 8:00. 325 00:14:40,618 --> 00:14:41,836 And Munson's family 326 00:14:41,837 --> 00:14:43,707 corroborates his version of events. 327 00:14:43,708 --> 00:14:46,362 Well, I got video of Hardiman leaving WellPoint at 6:30, 328 00:14:46,363 --> 00:14:47,973 like Goodall said. 329 00:14:47,974 --> 00:14:49,757 Uh, he is pacing. 330 00:14:49,758 --> 00:14:51,628 Looks like he's yelling at somebody on his phone. 331 00:14:51,629 --> 00:14:53,326 And then he heads off down the street, 332 00:14:53,327 --> 00:14:54,457 and we lose him on the cameras. 333 00:14:54,458 --> 00:14:56,242 And according to his call log, 334 00:14:56,243 --> 00:14:58,287 at 6:38, he called a number registered 335 00:14:58,288 --> 00:14:59,680 to Preston Kane four times. 336 00:14:59,681 --> 00:15:02,248 Who's Preston Kane? 337 00:15:02,249 --> 00:15:07,471 He's the chairman of WellPoint Therapeutics. 338 00:15:09,604 --> 00:15:11,866 Yes, I got a couple calls, but I didn't pick up, 339 00:15:11,867 --> 00:15:13,912 and I was out when Tom appeared on my doorbell cam. 340 00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:15,696 Do you know why he came by? 341 00:15:15,697 --> 00:15:17,350 Hardiman had a one-track mind. 342 00:15:17,351 --> 00:15:19,439 Every call and meeting was about the same thing-- 343 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,702 he wanted to fire Norman Munson. 344 00:15:21,703 --> 00:15:23,747 - Why is that? - Change the company's focus. 345 00:15:23,748 --> 00:15:26,533 Redirect our R&D to big-market, high-profit therapies. 346 00:15:26,534 --> 00:15:28,361 Well, that sounds like Hardiman's MO. 347 00:15:28,362 --> 00:15:31,407 It is, except the WellPoint board loves Norm. 348 00:15:31,408 --> 00:15:33,714 Everyone loves Norm, despite the company's 349 00:15:33,715 --> 00:15:36,586 lackluster financial results the past few years. 350 00:15:36,587 --> 00:15:39,024 So Hardiman wanted him fired, but the board wasn't having it? 351 00:15:39,025 --> 00:15:40,677 Mm. 352 00:15:40,678 --> 00:15:42,505 Couple board members were on the fence, but you're correct. 353 00:15:42,506 --> 00:15:44,594 Hardiman was never gonna get the votes he needed. 354 00:15:44,595 --> 00:15:46,205 It was driving him crazy. 355 00:15:46,206 --> 00:15:48,859 Why so much love for Norm Munson? 356 00:15:48,860 --> 00:15:51,340 Look, it's not the most popular concept these days, 357 00:15:51,341 --> 00:15:53,560 but Munson believes there are things 358 00:15:53,561 --> 00:15:55,518 more important than profit. 359 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:57,868 He believes in a greater good. 360 00:15:57,869 --> 00:15:59,261 Hardiman called you 4 times, 361 00:15:59,262 --> 00:16:01,307 and one of the calls lasted 17 seconds. 362 00:16:01,308 --> 00:16:03,309 Are you sure he didn't reach you? 363 00:16:03,310 --> 00:16:04,875 He left a voicemail-- 364 00:16:04,876 --> 00:16:08,401 "I finally got what I need. Norm Munson is a goner." 365 00:16:22,285 --> 00:16:23,546 Ryan Elliott? 366 00:16:23,547 --> 00:16:24,808 I'm Detective Riley. 367 00:16:24,809 --> 00:16:27,072 This is Lieutenant Brady. NYPD. 368 00:16:27,073 --> 00:16:29,509 We were told you worked closely with Tom Hardiman. 369 00:16:29,510 --> 00:16:33,557 Yeah, until he fired me yesterday. 370 00:16:35,559 --> 00:16:36,690 Don't worry. 371 00:16:36,691 --> 00:16:38,561 I was throwing back Patron shots 372 00:16:38,562 --> 00:16:40,999 with a half dozen colleagues when Hardiman hit the pavement. 373 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,088 You sound really broken up about it. 374 00:16:43,089 --> 00:16:46,134 What can I say? The guy was a prick. 375 00:16:46,135 --> 00:16:49,007 The thing that really gets to me, though, 376 00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:51,574 is I knew it but tried to convince myself 377 00:16:51,575 --> 00:16:54,012 that he was actually a decent human being. 378 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:56,275 What do you know about Hardiman's relationship 379 00:16:56,276 --> 00:16:58,320 with Norman Munson? - He hated that man. 380 00:16:58,321 --> 00:17:01,019 He spent 50% of his time trying to fire his ass. 381 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:03,108 Already had his successor picked out, too. 382 00:17:03,109 --> 00:17:05,327 Hardiman chose Munson's successor? 383 00:17:05,328 --> 00:17:07,547 And a three-year business plan. 384 00:17:07,548 --> 00:17:09,201 He shared it with the board. 385 00:17:09,202 --> 00:17:11,638 - Munson knew about this? - He sure did. 386 00:17:11,639 --> 00:17:13,553 But he didn't care. 387 00:17:13,554 --> 00:17:16,556 Told Hardiman to kiss his ass. 388 00:17:16,557 --> 00:17:18,601 Well, apparently, Hardiman left a voicemail 389 00:17:18,602 --> 00:17:20,734 with WellPoint's chairman of the board. 390 00:17:20,735 --> 00:17:21,996 Preston Kane. 391 00:17:21,997 --> 00:17:23,693 Yeah, something about how he finally had 392 00:17:23,694 --> 00:17:25,782 what he needed to get Munson fired, 393 00:17:25,783 --> 00:17:27,610 like he had some smoking gun. 394 00:17:27,611 --> 00:17:29,873 And 30 minutes or so later, he was dead, 395 00:17:29,874 --> 00:17:31,614 so we think there's some connection. 396 00:17:31,615 --> 00:17:33,051 Whatever Hardiman discovered 397 00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:35,096 might have triggered someone to kill him. 398 00:17:35,097 --> 00:17:37,142 I wish I could help you, but... 399 00:17:37,143 --> 00:17:39,492 I don't know anything about that. 400 00:17:39,493 --> 00:17:42,235 Sorry. 401 00:17:42,931 --> 00:17:47,501 Okay, well, thank you for your time. 402 00:17:48,893 --> 00:17:51,286 Well, one thing's clear-- 403 00:17:51,287 --> 00:17:54,115 Munson lied to us when he told us that meeting with Hardiman 404 00:17:54,116 --> 00:17:56,552 ended in some sort of gentlemen's agreement. 405 00:17:56,553 --> 00:17:58,380 Yeah, it sounds like that one-on-one 406 00:17:58,381 --> 00:18:00,382 wasn't quite as friendly as he suggested, huh? 407 00:18:00,383 --> 00:18:03,081 Yeah, maybe he's not as warm and cuddly as he looks. 408 00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:04,821 Even a teddy bear is gonna get its back up 409 00:18:04,822 --> 00:18:06,997 when some young hotshot's trying to fire him 410 00:18:06,998 --> 00:18:08,999 from his own damn company. 411 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,176 Sounds like motive. 412 00:18:11,177 --> 00:18:14,309 Yeah, but, I mean, what, Munson's 70? 413 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:16,703 He didn't seem like a killer type to me. 414 00:18:16,704 --> 00:18:18,835 And his family said that he was home at the time of the murder. 415 00:18:18,836 --> 00:18:20,446 Maybe they're covering for him. 416 00:18:20,447 --> 00:18:22,491 Just pull more video from the WellPoint offices 417 00:18:22,492 --> 00:18:23,971 and the crime scene. 418 00:18:23,972 --> 00:18:25,842 We just need one shot of Munson, 419 00:18:25,843 --> 00:18:27,409 hopefully wearing a brown hat. 420 00:18:27,410 --> 00:18:29,629 And then we can get a warrant for his DNA. 421 00:18:31,675 --> 00:18:33,285 What's going on here? 422 00:18:33,286 --> 00:18:34,808 Sorry, sir. You're gonna step aside. 423 00:18:34,809 --> 00:18:36,723 - This is my company. - Sir, step aside. 424 00:18:36,724 --> 00:18:38,986 Kevin Goodall, we need to talk. 425 00:18:38,987 --> 00:18:40,857 We found video of you at the crime scene 426 00:18:40,858 --> 00:18:42,381 and your DNA on the victim. 427 00:18:42,382 --> 00:18:44,557 Which means you're under arrest for murder. 428 00:18:44,558 --> 00:18:46,167 You have the right to remain silent. 429 00:18:46,168 --> 00:18:48,126 - Kevin, what's going on? - Don't talk to anyone, Norm. 430 00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:49,823 - I don't understand. - Say nothing to anyone! 431 00:18:55,612 --> 00:18:58,223 I can't wait. 432 00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:00,747 Uh, hey, I got to go. 433 00:19:00,748 --> 00:19:03,315 Yep. See you later. 434 00:19:03,316 --> 00:19:05,318 Mm-hmm. 435 00:19:08,234 --> 00:19:10,887 You have no poker face, Nolan. 436 00:19:10,888 --> 00:19:12,889 It's the mystery woman, isn't it? 437 00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:15,065 You're clearly smitten. 438 00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:16,632 Uh, no comment. 439 00:19:16,633 --> 00:19:18,547 Just give me something-- 440 00:19:18,548 --> 00:19:21,159 how you met, what she does. 441 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,292 She is a psychiatrist. 442 00:19:24,293 --> 00:19:26,294 Don't say it. 443 00:19:26,295 --> 00:19:27,817 No, I won't. 444 00:19:27,818 --> 00:19:30,255 'Cause I can think of absolutely no reason 445 00:19:30,256 --> 00:19:32,126 for you to be seeing a psychiatrist. 446 00:19:32,127 --> 00:19:35,347 - How'd the arraignment go? - Judge Romano granted bail. 447 00:19:35,348 --> 00:19:37,653 - On a murder two charge? - Yeah. 448 00:19:37,654 --> 00:19:39,525 Defense rattled off Goodall's rรฉsumรฉ. 449 00:19:39,526 --> 00:19:42,919 He's got awards from the NIH, CDC, 450 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,095 MD, PhD in pharmacology, 451 00:19:45,096 --> 00:19:48,229 member of the AMA, an active community member 452 00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:50,492 who has never so much as gotten a speeding ticket. 453 00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:53,234 Not our first golden-boy murderer. 454 00:19:53,235 --> 00:19:55,193 - Yeah. - How's our evidence? 455 00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:59,109 Video showing Goodall leaving WellPoint at 7:30 p.m., 456 00:19:59,110 --> 00:20:00,850 heading in the direction of the crime scene, 457 00:20:00,851 --> 00:20:02,330 and then one block away, 458 00:20:02,331 --> 00:20:04,114 putting on a brown hat that matches the description 459 00:20:04,115 --> 00:20:05,725 from the taxi driver. 460 00:20:05,726 --> 00:20:09,250 Plus, his DNA was a full match to the third-party DNA 461 00:20:09,251 --> 00:20:10,730 found on the victim. 462 00:20:10,731 --> 00:20:12,906 - Why'd he do it? - I'm not sure yet. 463 00:20:12,907 --> 00:20:15,604 W-we know Hardiman was gunning to fire Goodall's boss. 464 00:20:15,605 --> 00:20:17,780 So let's find out what would have happened to Goodall 465 00:20:17,781 --> 00:20:19,652 if Hardiman had had his way. 466 00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:21,784 Otherwise, your evidence is solid. 467 00:20:21,785 --> 00:20:23,569 I'm not so sure about that. 468 00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:27,574 Defense just filed a motion to suppress the DNA. 469 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,447 It's a Fourth Amendment violation, 470 00:20:32,448 --> 00:20:34,884 a total invasion of my client's privacy. 471 00:20:34,885 --> 00:20:37,800 Your Honor, the defendant voluntarily surrendered his DNA 472 00:20:37,801 --> 00:20:40,107 and blood to his employer without signing or-- 473 00:20:40,108 --> 00:20:42,457 or demanding any agreement that his employer keep 474 00:20:42,458 --> 00:20:44,590 those records confidential. - Is this true? 475 00:20:44,591 --> 00:20:46,505 Only because the sample was provided 476 00:20:46,506 --> 00:20:48,550 years before standard privacy forms, 477 00:20:48,551 --> 00:20:50,770 before the government was actively assembling 478 00:20:50,771 --> 00:20:52,815 DNA databases to solve crimes. 479 00:20:52,816 --> 00:20:55,427 Please tell me police at least had a subpoena. 480 00:20:55,428 --> 00:20:57,951 Yes, they had reason to believe Goodall was the killer, 481 00:20:57,952 --> 00:20:59,561 so we served the company with a grand jury subpoena 482 00:20:59,562 --> 00:21:01,259 to produce Goodall's DNA, 483 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,435 which, again, he had voluntarily provided 484 00:21:03,436 --> 00:21:04,784 to the company. 485 00:21:04,785 --> 00:21:07,656 This was not some wild database goose chase. 486 00:21:07,657 --> 00:21:10,877 It is an incontrovertible good for medical researchers 487 00:21:10,878 --> 00:21:13,271 to provide their blood and DNA in labs 488 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:16,274 so that research can proceed accurately and safely 489 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,450 without any risk of cross-contamination. 490 00:21:18,451 --> 00:21:20,974 But if we violate the privacy of these doctors 491 00:21:20,975 --> 00:21:22,758 because of a technicality, 492 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:25,805 you put future life-saving research at risk 493 00:21:25,806 --> 00:21:27,154 because nobody will sign up 494 00:21:27,155 --> 00:21:29,678 to hand over their DNA for science. 495 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:31,114 I agree. 496 00:21:31,115 --> 00:21:32,768 Your Honor, w-we could have gotten 497 00:21:32,769 --> 00:21:34,944 a separate warrant t-to collect the DNA after the arrest. 498 00:21:34,945 --> 00:21:38,208 An arrest based on this first invasion of privacy-- 499 00:21:38,209 --> 00:21:41,777 fruit of the poisonous tree. 500 00:21:41,778 --> 00:21:43,910 The DNA is out. 501 00:21:43,911 --> 00:21:47,174 And you won't be getting any other warrant to get it either. 502 00:21:59,056 --> 00:22:02,320 And Tom Hardiman was notorious for ousting CEOs 503 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,974 and installing new ones? - Correct. 504 00:22:04,975 --> 00:22:06,193 Did he articulate this plan 505 00:22:06,194 --> 00:22:07,847 to members of the WellPoint board? 506 00:22:07,848 --> 00:22:09,370 Brought it up at every meeting, 507 00:22:09,371 --> 00:22:10,937 even called me a few times. 508 00:22:10,938 --> 00:22:13,940 In fact, he had proposed a specific replacement CEO. 509 00:22:13,941 --> 00:22:16,464 Yes, called him a brilliant shark. 510 00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:19,249 The night Tom Hardiman was killed, 511 00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:21,208 he left you an urgent voicemail, correct? 512 00:22:21,209 --> 00:22:22,818 And he tried to find you at home. 513 00:22:22,819 --> 00:22:24,385 - Correct. - Do you know why? 514 00:22:24,386 --> 00:22:26,256 His voicemail suggested he'd finally found a way 515 00:22:26,257 --> 00:22:27,519 to get rid of Munson. 516 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,129 "I finally got what I need. 517 00:22:29,130 --> 00:22:31,349 Munson's a goner," were his words. 518 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:34,090 And if Munson was gone, 519 00:22:34,091 --> 00:22:36,789 what would happen to the defendant, Kevin Goodall? 520 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:38,399 Objection. Speculative. 521 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,619 Uh, Your Honor, the victim shared 522 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:43,317 his own WellPoint three-year business plan with the witness. 523 00:22:43,318 --> 00:22:46,102 Overruled. Mr. Kane, please answer. 524 00:22:46,103 --> 00:22:48,540 Munson hired Goodall right out of medical school, 525 00:22:48,541 --> 00:22:50,019 treated him like a son. 526 00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:52,848 Hardiman told us the new CEO would clean house. 527 00:22:52,849 --> 00:22:54,284 And that meant firing Goodall. 528 00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:56,069 Thank you. Nothing further. 529 00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:01,944 Is Kevin Goodall a capable head of medical research? 530 00:23:01,945 --> 00:23:03,598 He's excellent. 531 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:06,514 Under his oversight, how many drugs has WellPoint patented 532 00:23:06,515 --> 00:23:07,907 and brought to market? 533 00:23:07,908 --> 00:23:09,778 Last ten years? Seven. 534 00:23:09,779 --> 00:23:12,259 Are you aware he'd received four offers 535 00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:14,957 from competing firms in the past year alone 536 00:23:14,958 --> 00:23:16,524 for better pay? 537 00:23:16,525 --> 00:23:19,309 I heard about one. The others don't surprise me. 538 00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:21,616 Kevin is a well-respected researcher. 539 00:23:21,617 --> 00:23:23,444 And we knew he only stayed at WellPoint 540 00:23:23,445 --> 00:23:25,403 out of loyalty to Norm's vision. 541 00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:27,709 Do you have any reason to believe that Kevin Goodall 542 00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:30,973 had financial problems? - No. 543 00:23:30,974 --> 00:23:33,149 Have you ever been to Kevin Goodall's home? 544 00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:35,108 Yes, once, for dinner. 545 00:23:38,591 --> 00:23:41,288 Is this it, on Central Park West? 546 00:23:41,289 --> 00:23:42,681 Objection. Relevance. 547 00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:44,900 Prosecution put forth a theory 548 00:23:44,901 --> 00:23:46,772 that my client's motive was anxiety 549 00:23:46,773 --> 00:23:49,470 about losing his $600,000-a-year job. 550 00:23:49,471 --> 00:23:51,124 Mr. Kane can rebut that. 551 00:23:51,125 --> 00:23:53,213 I'll allow. Mr. Kane? 552 00:23:53,214 --> 00:23:54,997 Yes, this is Kevin's home. 553 00:23:54,998 --> 00:23:59,785 He purchased it for $12.7 million in 2019. 554 00:23:59,786 --> 00:24:01,917 Not bad for a medical researcher. 555 00:24:01,918 --> 00:24:05,181 I believe there's family money there from real estate. 556 00:24:05,182 --> 00:24:07,836 So do you have any reason to believe that Kevin Goodall 557 00:24:07,837 --> 00:24:10,360 was desperate to keep his job at WellPoint, 558 00:24:10,361 --> 00:24:14,061 so desperate he would kill for it? 559 00:24:14,931 --> 00:24:17,846 No, not at all. 560 00:24:25,942 --> 00:24:27,552 Defense is right. 561 00:24:27,553 --> 00:24:29,771 If Goodall is that wealthy, he didn't even need to work. 562 00:24:29,772 --> 00:24:32,382 Why would he stress about losing his job at WellPoint? 563 00:24:32,383 --> 00:24:34,384 The motive still doesn't add up yet. 564 00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:38,519 What are we missing? 565 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,001 This murder was emotional, improvised. 566 00:24:42,002 --> 00:24:45,221 Nobody plans to push someone in front of a taxi. 567 00:24:45,222 --> 00:24:47,136 So what set it in motion? 568 00:24:49,009 --> 00:24:51,793 Maybe something happened at the WellPoint meeting 569 00:24:51,794 --> 00:24:54,492 between Hardiman, Munson, and Goodall? 570 00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:57,582 Something that rattled Goodall? 571 00:24:57,583 --> 00:25:01,151 Made him angry or worried enough to kill. 572 00:25:02,239 --> 00:25:03,762 I'm saying nothing. 573 00:25:03,763 --> 00:25:05,981 We just want to know about the meeting that day, 574 00:25:05,982 --> 00:25:09,203 if anything happened to upset Kevin Goodall. 575 00:25:10,552 --> 00:25:11,857 Do you know how many hours 576 00:25:11,858 --> 00:25:14,642 of rigorous, meticulous laboratory oversight 577 00:25:14,643 --> 00:25:20,780 goes into bringing a life-saving drug to market? 578 00:25:20,997 --> 00:25:25,653 It's not a job. It is a sacred commitment. 579 00:25:25,654 --> 00:25:27,829 It takes constant vigilance. 580 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:31,050 Goodall is a great researcher... 581 00:25:31,051 --> 00:25:33,008 and a great man. 582 00:25:33,009 --> 00:25:35,924 Mr. Munson has to prepare for a call. 583 00:25:35,925 --> 00:25:37,883 You've got the wrong guy. 584 00:25:45,195 --> 00:25:47,762 Mr. Munson did nothing wrong in that meeting. 585 00:25:47,763 --> 00:25:49,634 Please stop agitating him. 586 00:25:49,635 --> 00:25:51,418 How do you know he did nothing wrong? 587 00:25:51,419 --> 00:25:52,637 Were you there? 588 00:25:52,638 --> 00:25:53,986 I attend all of Mr. Munson's meetings. 589 00:25:53,987 --> 00:25:55,553 I'm with him the entire workday. 590 00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:57,337 Okay, then why don't you just tell us what went down? 591 00:25:57,338 --> 00:25:59,426 Did Hardiman threaten Munson? Did he threaten Goodall? 592 00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:01,080 I can't answer any further questions. 593 00:26:01,081 --> 00:26:03,125 Just so you know, the DA can subpoena you 594 00:26:03,126 --> 00:26:04,431 to appear in court. 595 00:26:04,432 --> 00:26:05,606 I can't speak. 596 00:26:05,607 --> 00:26:08,000 I'm bound by New York State law. 597 00:26:08,001 --> 00:26:09,872 What law? 598 00:26:11,265 --> 00:26:13,658 HIPAA. 599 00:26:13,659 --> 00:26:15,398 I'm Norman Munson's nurse. 600 00:26:17,663 --> 00:26:19,533 Hmm. Here we go. 601 00:26:19,534 --> 00:26:22,144 Munson's assistant-- before this, 602 00:26:22,145 --> 00:26:26,453 he spent five years working at the Flowering Garden Facility 603 00:26:26,454 --> 00:26:28,107 in Queens. 604 00:26:28,108 --> 00:26:30,414 What is that? 605 00:26:30,937 --> 00:26:33,983 Memory-care facility. 606 00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:39,118 According to his financials, 607 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,817 Munson made three large payments this year 608 00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:45,994 to a Dr. Naomi Nezkahmi. 609 00:26:45,995 --> 00:26:48,693 Nezkahmi. 610 00:26:48,694 --> 00:26:50,129 She's a neurologist. 611 00:26:52,828 --> 00:26:55,613 That's it. 612 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:59,138 That's the smoking gun Hardiman was looking for. 613 00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:05,624 Norman Munson has dementia. 614 00:27:06,102 --> 00:27:08,669 Somehow, Hardiman discovered Munson's dementia 615 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:10,889 at that meeting. - Well, he must have. 616 00:27:10,890 --> 00:27:13,587 It was a pretty late meeting. 617 00:27:13,588 --> 00:27:17,939 In my father's last years, he struggled to stay sharp. 618 00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:20,986 But after an hour, especially in the afternoon, 619 00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:23,118 his basic recall always failed. 620 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,380 He could tell you every detail 621 00:27:24,381 --> 00:27:26,426 of what happened in his childhood, 622 00:27:26,427 --> 00:27:28,515 but he would forget what he had for breakfast. 623 00:27:28,516 --> 00:27:30,691 I remember the shame on his face 624 00:27:30,692 --> 00:27:32,606 when he couldn't find an answer. 625 00:27:32,607 --> 00:27:34,652 It was--it was heartbreaking. 626 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:37,872 So Munson tripped up, and Hardiman saw it. 627 00:27:37,873 --> 00:27:40,266 And Goodall saw it. 628 00:27:40,267 --> 00:27:41,789 My guess-- 629 00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:44,705 that's why Goodall was in the meeting to begin with. 630 00:27:44,706 --> 00:27:46,751 He spends a lot of time with Munson. 631 00:27:46,752 --> 00:27:48,753 He had to know about Munson's decline. 632 00:27:48,754 --> 00:27:50,798 He was guarding the secret, 633 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:53,627 because if the board found out about Munson's dementia... 634 00:27:53,628 --> 00:27:57,065 Forget about votes. That would force his dismissal. 635 00:27:57,066 --> 00:28:00,852 So Hardiman was going to expose Munson's condition, 636 00:28:00,853 --> 00:28:02,636 have him fired. 637 00:28:02,637 --> 00:28:05,334 That still only gets you halfway to motive. 638 00:28:05,335 --> 00:28:09,208 Why would Goodall kill to keep Munson as CEO? 639 00:28:09,209 --> 00:28:11,297 You said he was rich, had job options. 640 00:28:11,298 --> 00:28:13,299 I know. I've been digging into Goodall's life. 641 00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,431 He was the furthest thing from desperate. 642 00:28:15,432 --> 00:28:17,216 He donated lots of money, 643 00:28:17,217 --> 00:28:20,132 tens of thousands to various schools, hospitals. 644 00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:22,569 Whatever motivated him, his wife seemed to know. 645 00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:24,963 She vouched for his alibi, right? 646 00:28:24,964 --> 00:28:27,052 Lied to police about what time he got home. 647 00:28:27,053 --> 00:28:29,402 Yeah, there's no way she's gonna talk to us. 648 00:28:29,403 --> 00:28:32,187 When Goodall's wife lied, she waived privilege. 649 00:28:32,188 --> 00:28:34,276 Give it a shot. Track her down. 650 00:28:39,587 --> 00:28:42,284 Rachel Goodall-- her housekeeper said 651 00:28:42,285 --> 00:28:44,025 she's been here since 7:00 a.m.? 652 00:28:44,026 --> 00:28:45,766 Yes, Mrs. Goodall is an early bird, 653 00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:48,029 always here at the crack of dawn. 654 00:28:48,030 --> 00:28:49,858 Here we are. 655 00:28:50,685 --> 00:28:52,207 Do you mind? 656 00:28:52,208 --> 00:28:54,644 The kids are fragile. 657 00:28:54,645 --> 00:28:58,213 Leukemia, Batten disease-- here for our trials. 658 00:29:07,093 --> 00:29:08,876 Mrs. Goodall is over there. 659 00:29:13,012 --> 00:29:15,883 I am not talking to you. 660 00:29:15,884 --> 00:29:17,102 Please leave. 661 00:29:17,103 --> 00:29:19,060 We just have some questions. Please. 662 00:29:19,061 --> 00:29:20,845 I'm not gonna help you with anything. 663 00:29:20,846 --> 00:29:22,411 We can subpoena you. 664 00:29:22,412 --> 00:29:25,240 That is the least of my concerns. 665 00:29:28,679 --> 00:29:31,116 Hi, sweetie. What's your name? 666 00:29:44,565 --> 00:29:46,914 Is this Kevin Goodall's daughter? 667 00:29:46,915 --> 00:29:48,307 She can't speak? 668 00:29:48,308 --> 00:29:49,961 Batten disease. 669 00:29:49,962 --> 00:29:53,007 It's brutal. 670 00:29:53,008 --> 00:29:56,184 It erodes the ability to communicate... 671 00:29:56,185 --> 00:30:00,319 on top of the seizures, the disorientation, 672 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,278 eventual blindness. - Oh. They're all kids? 673 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,715 Symptoms present around the age of six. 674 00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:06,978 From that point, 675 00:30:06,979 --> 00:30:09,154 the body essentially starts to deteriorate. 676 00:30:09,155 --> 00:30:11,460 You're running the trials for WellPoint, correct? 677 00:30:11,461 --> 00:30:13,027 We're one year in. 678 00:30:13,028 --> 00:30:15,813 How's it going? Are you close to a cure? 679 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:17,162 We're getting close, 680 00:30:17,163 --> 00:30:19,555 but we're still a few years out. 681 00:30:19,556 --> 00:30:23,298 The survival rate for Batten is under 2%. 682 00:30:23,299 --> 00:30:25,561 That's why we're working around the clock. 683 00:30:25,562 --> 00:30:28,303 It's the only chance these kids have. 684 00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:31,177 Thanks. 685 00:30:31,525 --> 00:30:33,918 Goodall didn't kill Hardiman to save his job. 686 00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:37,270 He killed Hardiman to save his daughter's life. 687 00:30:42,536 --> 00:30:44,667 So, if Hardiman had been able to install 688 00:30:44,668 --> 00:30:47,061 his new profit-driven CEO at WellPoint, 689 00:30:47,062 --> 00:30:49,411 what would have been his first order of business? 690 00:30:49,412 --> 00:30:50,848 Eliminate budget waste. 691 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,937 Can you elaborate? 692 00:30:52,938 --> 00:30:55,548 WellPoint spends a fortune on small-market research 693 00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:57,071 into rare diseases. 694 00:30:57,072 --> 00:31:00,118 Hardiman wanted WellPoint moving to cholesterol, 695 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:01,859 blood pressure, weight-loss drugs, 696 00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:03,817 products with bigger markets. 697 00:31:03,818 --> 00:31:06,602 So some WellPoint trials would have ended. 698 00:31:06,603 --> 00:31:08,909 - Immediately. - Had he done this before-- 699 00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:12,086 uh, cut drug research mid-trial 700 00:31:12,087 --> 00:31:14,436 in--in other firms that he invested in? 701 00:31:14,437 --> 00:31:16,525 It's how he made his money. 702 00:31:16,526 --> 00:31:19,006 Did Tom Hardiman share his proposed budget cuts 703 00:31:19,007 --> 00:31:20,660 with the WellPoint board? 704 00:31:20,661 --> 00:31:21,879 Yes. 705 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,619 He gave them a list. 706 00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:25,665 I'm gonna show you what was previously marked as Exhibit 5. 707 00:31:25,666 --> 00:31:27,145 Was this it? 708 00:31:27,146 --> 00:31:30,191 This was presented in June, a list of drug research 709 00:31:30,192 --> 00:31:33,151 he wanted to end at WellPoint. - Yes. 710 00:31:33,152 --> 00:31:36,763 Is Batten disease included on Hardiman's cut list? 711 00:31:36,764 --> 00:31:38,373 Among others, yes. 712 00:31:38,374 --> 00:31:41,681 Uh, Your Honor, I'd like to submit a photograph. 713 00:31:41,682 --> 00:31:43,248 Objection. 714 00:31:43,249 --> 00:31:45,380 This was from a hospital newsletter, Your Honor. 715 00:31:45,381 --> 00:31:47,513 It's publicly available. 716 00:31:47,514 --> 00:31:48,644 I'll allow it. 717 00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:55,129 This was taken at a Mt. Hope Hospital event 718 00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:57,088 celebrating the strength and courage 719 00:31:57,089 --> 00:31:59,220 of children fighting Batten disease 720 00:31:59,221 --> 00:32:04,095 and participating in WellPoint's Phase I trials. 721 00:32:04,096 --> 00:32:06,924 Please, could you read the caption aloud? 722 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:08,534 "Dr. Kevin Goodall 723 00:32:08,535 --> 00:32:11,276 "with his wife and daughter, Emily... 724 00:32:11,277 --> 00:32:14,975 a patient battling Batten disease." 725 00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:17,717 So, if Munson had been removed, 726 00:32:17,718 --> 00:32:19,980 that would have been a de facto death sentence 727 00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:22,156 for Kevin Goodall's daughter. - Objection. 728 00:32:22,157 --> 00:32:23,766 Withdrawn. 729 00:32:23,767 --> 00:32:26,944 No further questions. 730 00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:29,163 Did Tom Hardiman have the power 731 00:32:29,164 --> 00:32:30,904 to fire Norman Munson? 732 00:32:30,905 --> 00:32:32,340 He did not. 733 00:32:32,341 --> 00:32:34,386 Do you have any evidence that Tom Hardiman, 734 00:32:34,387 --> 00:32:35,953 or anyone for that matter, 735 00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:38,433 had amassed the board votes to fire Munson? 736 00:32:38,434 --> 00:32:40,870 - It was Tom's plan, but-- - Yes or no. 737 00:32:40,871 --> 00:32:42,872 Had he assembled the votes? 738 00:32:42,873 --> 00:32:44,439 Not that I know of. 739 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,053 So the idea of what Munson's replacement might change 740 00:32:49,054 --> 00:32:50,663 at WellPoint-- 741 00:32:50,664 --> 00:32:55,363 it's total speculation on top of complete impossibility, 742 00:32:55,364 --> 00:32:59,585 which means my client had no reason to kill Mr. Hardiman. 743 00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:04,982 Nothing further. 744 00:33:09,204 --> 00:33:11,510 As distasteful as it might seem, 745 00:33:11,511 --> 00:33:13,294 the only way to win this 746 00:33:13,295 --> 00:33:16,254 is to prove that Hardiman knew Munson had dementia, 747 00:33:16,255 --> 00:33:18,386 and he was gonna use that to force him out. 748 00:33:18,387 --> 00:33:19,866 How? 749 00:33:19,867 --> 00:33:21,999 We can't get access to Munson's medical records, 750 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,523 let alone present them in court, without violating HIPAA. 751 00:33:24,524 --> 00:33:27,656 We have to call Munson to the stand. 752 00:33:27,657 --> 00:33:29,658 - Based on what? - Uh, I don't know. 753 00:33:29,659 --> 00:33:32,009 Hardiman's plans to fire him? - And then? 754 00:33:34,316 --> 00:33:36,143 I'd find a way to trip him up 755 00:33:36,144 --> 00:33:38,711 and reveal that his mental acuity is diminished. 756 00:33:38,712 --> 00:33:42,497 That does not feel right, Nolan, for a lot of reasons. 757 00:33:42,498 --> 00:33:45,457 Look, we can always plead this to a lesser charge. 758 00:33:45,458 --> 00:33:47,633 Sam, he pushed the man into a moving car. 759 00:33:47,634 --> 00:33:49,939 That's murder. - Or manslaughter. 760 00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:52,638 He was acting under extreme emotional disturbance. 761 00:33:52,639 --> 00:33:55,075 He was panicked at the idea a new CEO 762 00:33:55,076 --> 00:33:57,251 would abandon Batten disease research, 763 00:33:57,252 --> 00:33:59,036 that his daughter's life was in jeopardy. 764 00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:00,907 Who gave Goodall the right to decide 765 00:34:00,908 --> 00:34:02,952 what company shareholders can and can't know? 766 00:34:02,953 --> 00:34:04,606 Look what happened to Biden's inner circle 767 00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:06,913 when the world was questioning his fitness to serve. 768 00:34:06,914 --> 00:34:09,176 No one thought they had the right to keep that secret. 769 00:34:09,177 --> 00:34:11,222 Norman Munson is not a commander in chief. 770 00:34:11,223 --> 00:34:13,354 And by all accounts, in the small portion 771 00:34:13,355 --> 00:34:16,923 of the world he does control, he did nothing but good. 772 00:34:16,924 --> 00:34:18,751 You want to humiliate him on the stand 773 00:34:18,752 --> 00:34:21,058 to--to help some Wall Street guys get richer? 774 00:34:21,059 --> 00:34:24,061 Hardiman's fund still owns a 24% stake. 775 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:26,585 If Munson goes, they'll end research, 776 00:34:26,586 --> 00:34:28,891 medical research to save children's lives-- 777 00:34:28,892 --> 00:34:32,112 children we saw, Nolan. 778 00:34:32,113 --> 00:34:34,114 And we're doing this to-- 779 00:34:34,115 --> 00:34:37,509 to send a devoted doctor and father to prison for life 780 00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:39,772 to get justice for a corporate raider? 781 00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:43,080 We don't get to rate our victims or defendants. 782 00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:47,259 But Munson-- he's a bystander in all this. 783 00:34:48,782 --> 00:34:50,957 Show me any other way. 784 00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:05,624 We are prepared to offer murder two. 785 00:35:05,625 --> 00:35:09,454 But we'll recommend 15 to 20 years, 786 00:35:09,455 --> 00:35:12,587 which is a gift for a charge of this magnitude. 787 00:35:12,588 --> 00:35:14,763 Your case is weak, Nolan. That's why you're here. 788 00:35:14,764 --> 00:35:16,722 No, we're here because we're offering 789 00:35:16,723 --> 00:35:19,290 a lifeline to your client and his daughter. 790 00:35:21,597 --> 00:35:23,903 Meaning what? 791 00:35:23,904 --> 00:35:26,775 If you plead this out, no one will ever find out 792 00:35:26,776 --> 00:35:28,734 about Norman Munson's dementia. 793 00:35:28,735 --> 00:35:30,910 "Dementia"? That's absurd. 794 00:35:30,911 --> 00:35:33,130 WellPoint is going to continue its research 795 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:35,132 into Batten disease, find a cure. 796 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:36,481 And your daughter will live. 797 00:35:36,482 --> 00:35:38,352 This is one of the more brazen threats 798 00:35:38,353 --> 00:35:40,180 I've heard all year. 799 00:35:40,181 --> 00:35:42,922 Take this to verdict, you run two risks. 800 00:35:42,923 --> 00:35:45,968 One, I expose Norman Munson's cognitive issues, 801 00:35:45,969 --> 00:35:48,232 which means Munson is gone as CEO 802 00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:50,756 before the judge even sends the jury off to deliberate. 803 00:35:50,757 --> 00:35:53,933 Two, you will face a much harsher sentence 804 00:35:53,934 --> 00:35:57,198 than 15 to 20. 805 00:35:57,677 --> 00:36:01,114 Well, we're not gonna lose, so we'll see you in court. 806 00:36:06,076 --> 00:36:08,077 Oh, o-one more thing-- 807 00:36:08,078 --> 00:36:09,383 I mentioned to Judge Dreben, 808 00:36:09,384 --> 00:36:11,342 I have a scheduling conflict in the morning, 809 00:36:11,343 --> 00:36:14,171 so we'll be calling Norman Munson late in the day. 810 00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:16,825 Apologies for any inconvenience. 811 00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:18,610 I hope he's not too tired. 812 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:29,708 Were you considering retirement? 813 00:36:29,709 --> 00:36:31,188 Not at all. 814 00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:32,841 No. I love working. 815 00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:36,628 Do you know of any situation 816 00:36:36,629 --> 00:36:39,848 that could force your termination... 817 00:36:39,849 --> 00:36:44,679 uh, for example, if you were convicted of a crime? 818 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,073 Well, in that case, I'm out. 819 00:36:47,074 --> 00:36:49,249 What if you were caught 820 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:51,469 deceiving the board or shareholders? 821 00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:52,513 I'd be removed. 822 00:36:52,514 --> 00:36:53,949 What if you were deemed 823 00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:57,866 medically incapable of fulfilling your duties? 824 00:36:57,867 --> 00:37:00,347 They would have to remove me. 825 00:37:00,348 --> 00:37:02,001 Your Honor, relevance. 826 00:37:02,002 --> 00:37:04,090 We have been at this for an hour, 827 00:37:04,091 --> 00:37:05,700 and the witness has made it clear 828 00:37:05,701 --> 00:37:08,225 he was not about to retire or be fired 829 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:10,052 from WellPoint Therapeutics, 830 00:37:10,053 --> 00:37:12,838 despite all of Mr. Price's dire hypotheticals. 831 00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:14,405 I'm getting there, Your Honor. 832 00:37:14,406 --> 00:37:17,408 Defense asks he get there tomorrow. 833 00:37:17,409 --> 00:37:20,237 It's late. Requesting an adjournment. 834 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:23,240 Continue but swiftly. 835 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:26,678 So, Mr. Munson, once more... 836 00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:28,332 for the record, 837 00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:32,249 you had and have no intention of abandoning your position 838 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:34,599 as CEO of WellPoint. 839 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,471 - Correct. - One more question, and... 840 00:37:37,472 --> 00:37:40,039 It's the easiest one of the day. 841 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,476 Uh... 842 00:37:42,477 --> 00:37:45,263 how did you get here today? 843 00:37:46,873 --> 00:37:49,745 What? 844 00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:53,139 How did you get to this courthouse? 845 00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:55,837 Your Honor, relevance? 846 00:37:55,838 --> 00:37:57,230 Overruled. 847 00:38:02,018 --> 00:38:03,802 I don't--I don't understand. 848 00:38:03,803 --> 00:38:08,197 You arrived at this courthouse two hours ago. 849 00:38:08,198 --> 00:38:11,549 And I'm simply asking that you tell us how you got here. 850 00:38:19,732 --> 00:38:22,777 Uh--uh... 851 00:38:29,611 --> 00:38:32,527 Um... 852 00:38:34,268 --> 00:38:36,791 What's the question? 853 00:38:36,792 --> 00:38:39,620 It's how you got here today. 854 00:38:39,621 --> 00:38:41,840 I'm asking how you got to court today. 855 00:38:45,888 --> 00:38:48,107 Uh... 856 00:38:48,108 --> 00:38:49,848 my car. 857 00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:52,590 Really? You--you came here by car? 858 00:38:52,591 --> 00:38:53,939 Yes, yes. 859 00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:56,463 A beautiful... 860 00:38:56,464 --> 00:38:59,988 blue BMW convertible. 861 00:38:59,989 --> 00:39:04,341 We would ride around with the top down all summer. 862 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:06,473 Do you remember that? 863 00:39:09,738 --> 00:39:11,043 Do I remember? 864 00:39:14,308 --> 00:39:16,788 Mr. Munson. - Do it. Go, stop it. 865 00:39:16,789 --> 00:39:18,833 Judge, we'd like to meet in chambers. 866 00:39:27,452 --> 00:39:29,888 I understand you've reached an agreement on a plea. 867 00:39:29,889 --> 00:39:31,890 Yes, Your Honor, the defendant has agreed 868 00:39:31,891 --> 00:39:34,240 to plea to a charge of murder in the second degree. 869 00:39:34,241 --> 00:39:37,896 We recommend a 15-year prison term. 870 00:39:37,897 --> 00:39:39,593 Mr. Goodall... 871 00:39:39,594 --> 00:39:42,379 do you understand the terms of this deal? 872 00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:44,163 I do, Your Honor. 873 00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:10,145 - Kevin! - Rachel. 874 00:40:10,146 --> 00:40:12,060 Rachel. 875 00:40:12,061 --> 00:40:13,584 I'm sorry. - Kevin! 876 00:40:13,585 --> 00:40:15,586 There was no other way. 877 00:40:15,587 --> 00:40:18,894 Tell Emily I love her. 878 00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:22,070 He was willing to give up his freedom, 879 00:40:22,071 --> 00:40:24,638 his whole life for his daughter... 880 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:26,335 for the greater good. 65756

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