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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Glowing objects that hovered in the night sky.
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Determined homesteaders
who disappeared without a trace.
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And an engineering marvel
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that may have triggered
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a deadly curse.
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If you've ever traveled
around the United States,
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you surely have seen
some of the vast landscapes
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that make the country so unique.
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From desert mesas
and towering mountain ranges
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to winding rivers
and dense forests,
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the land is covered
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with open spaces
that are a sight to behold.
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But amidst the majesty
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of these beautiful places
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are some
surprisingly haunting mysteries,
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frightening tales
of lost civilizations,
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deadly curses,
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and legends of giant creatures
that once roamed the plains.
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What dark secrets do the remote
regions of America hold?
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Well, that is
what we'll try and find out.
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At 6:55 p.m.,
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police in this small desert city
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receive reports
of a massive V-shaped
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unidentified flying object
in the night sky.
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Over the next three hours,
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the craft is witnessed
by thousands of people
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as it journeys southeast
into the state of Arizona.
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Because most of the sightings
were reported
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by the residents of Phoenix,
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the incident is known
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as the Phoenix Lights.
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For me, it was
just another night.
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I was at home.
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I was upstairs in our bedroom.
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And I'm lying in bed.
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I see three lights pop up.
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I grab my video camera.
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I run outside on the balcony.
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And I did capture video
of formations of these lights
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or actual craft
arranged in a "V" or triangle.
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We're talking mile
to eight miles wide,
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gliding silently,
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some at a distance
but most at rooftop level.
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Some people said they could've
thrown a rock at it-
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it was that close.
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NICK POPE:
Phoenix is a city of about five million people.
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And here they are,
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looking up and seeing
this immense UFO
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flying at fairly low altitude
quite slowly.
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This was a sighting on
an almost unprecedented scale.
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SHATNER: The giant V-shaped object
reportedly hovered above Phoenix
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for three hours
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before it finally disappeared
over the horizon.
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The Phoenix Lights incident
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made headlines
across the country.
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Many eyewitnesses were convinced
that what they saw
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was not a man-made airplane
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but rather
an extraterrestrial spacecraft.
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Lots of people saw this.
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You have a lot
of general consistency
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with how this was reported.
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But you had, uh,
skeptics saying,
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"Well, the thing that people saw
going down the state
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was actually just aircraft."
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And then a spokesperson
from the National Guard
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made an announcement and said,
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"Yeah, those lights
that people saw over the city,
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"that was actually flares
that we dropped
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by A-10 Warthog aircraft."
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Not if you talk
to the witnesses.
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There were a number of witnesses
who were quite adamant
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that this was extraterrestrial.
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And one of the witnesses,
turns out,
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was actually the governor
of the state, Fife Symington.
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As a pilot
and a former Air Force officer,
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uh, I can definitively say
that this craft did not resemble
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any man-made object
that I'd ever seen.
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KITEI:
With the Phoenix Lights phenomena,
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what's really exciting is that
more and more credible people
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have come forward.
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All I knew is that it was so
beyond anything I ever imagined
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being here on this Earth.
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To date,
the Phoenix Lights phenomena
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has never been recreated
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or explained.
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SHATNER:
While the Phoenix Lights is one
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of the most extraordinary
UFO encounters in history,
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it is just one
of many mysterious sightings
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that have taken place
in the state of Arizona.
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According to the National
UFO Reporting Center,
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there have been
approximately 5,000
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UFO reports in Arizona,
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going all the way back
to the 1940s.
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On July 7, 1947,
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William A. Rhodes,
an amateur photographer,
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saw an elliptical
metallic object.
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He managed to capture
two excellent photographs
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of this object
at very low altitude,
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and he sent them in to
The Arizona Republic newspaper,
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which published them
on the front page.
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And if you look
at these photographs,
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you can see that they show
a very solid-looking
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metallic gray object
at low altitude.
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These photographs
have never been debunked.
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So this is
a very important case.
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DOLAN:
There was, what I believe is, a genuine UFO crash
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that occurred in Kingman,
Arizona, in May of 1953.
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This was apparently the recovery
of a-a virtually intact
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downed flying saucer.
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Witnesses came out.
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And, uh, this was quite
a significant case.
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And then probably
the most famous
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of the many UFO sightings
Arizona has had
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is the Travis Walton
abduction experience
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from 1975
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that took place
in November of that year
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and made national news.
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And so Arizona has
its own long history
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of anomalous,
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uh, activity, for sure.
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SHATNER:
According to researchers,
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Arizona is one of several
locations around the globe
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where UFO sightings are reported
far more often than normal.
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These places are referred to
as UFO hot spots.
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DOLAN:
There do seem to be certain areas
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where these unusual
or unknown things
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are seen more than others.
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So, for example, Catalina Island
off the coast of L.A.
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has an incredible high-density
number of very bizarre things.
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It's definitely a place
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where there has been documented
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and recorded high level
of UFO activity.
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What we see in these areas is
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a disproportionately large
amount of UFO activity.
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That's absolutely what
we're seeing here in Arizona.
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Arizona has played
a very powerful role
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in our understanding
of the UFO phenomenon.
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KITEI:
There is a vast history in Arizona
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of UFO anomalous sightings.
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And people ask me,
"Do you believe in UFOs?"
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For someone who has had
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an unexplained phenomena
experience,
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it isn't a belief.
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It's a knowing.
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SHATNER:
Could Phoenix
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and other areas
of the American Southwest
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be hot spots
for unexplained phenomena?
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The possibility seems
even more likely
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when you consider
the strange tale
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of a mysterious visitor
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who may have had a hand
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in causing a Native civilization
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to simply vanish.
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SHATNER: Set into the high
cliffs of Mesa Verde National Park
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in Southwestern Colorado
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is what many consider
to be America's biggest mystery.
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A mystery carved in solid rock.
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Cliff Palace,
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as it has come to be known,
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contains more than 150 chambers
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connected by extensive ramps
and stairways.
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According to most archaeologists
and historians,
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it was constructed
almost a thousand years ago
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by a tribe
of Ancestral Puebloans
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known as the Anasazi.
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BARNHART:
The Ancestral Pueblo are a people
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that grew up in
the Four Corners area
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of the United States.
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They're actually in an area
called the San Juan Basin,
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where they spent most
of their culture's history,
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all the way
into Paleo-Indian times,
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which is about 12,000 years ago.
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They're a culture
we call Basket Makers,
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and they did most
of their cooking and gathering
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in pit houses
in weaved baskets.
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I think one of the things
that's the most admirable
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about the Ancestral Pueblo
is their ability to live
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in such
a resource-poor environment.
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It was highland desert.
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There were not many
natural plants to eat.
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It was very difficult
to grow corn.
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There were not a whole lot
of animals to hunt.
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And yet they found a way to live
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in that niche and survive.
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SHATNER:
Starting in the ninth century,
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the Anasazi expanded
their civilization
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by building massive structures
throughout the Southwest-
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first in New Mexico's
Chaco Canyon
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and later in the cliffs
of Mesa Verde.
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There was a big explosion
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in the kind of architecture
they were making
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and its scale
and its sophistication.
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There were already
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tens of thousands
of little communities,
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but now they started building
these gigantic buildings.
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We call them "great houses,"
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and they were
apartment complexes,
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but on a scale
that the Pueblo had never made.
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Hundreds of individual rooms
would make up
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these great houses,
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and they could be upwards
of five stories tall.
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SHATNER:
For years,
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people studying the Anasazi
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have wondered
how a simple group of people
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developed into an advanced
civilization so quickly.
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But perhaps an even more
intriguing question is
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why would those same people
go to such great lengths
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to build incredible structures,
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only to abandon them?
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TOK THOMPSON:
And then, during the 1200s,
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very mysteriously,
suddenly, it disappeared.
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When archaeologists
looked at these remains
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at the time of the civilization
disappearance,
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it was very sudden, as if people
just grabbed what they could
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and took off.
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The people just up and left.
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They left behind
all of their belongings.
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And there is evidence
that this activity
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occurred very quickly.
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It was almost as if
they left behind ghost towns.
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So what really happened
to the Anasazi?
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We know that drought
must have been a factor,
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because there were periods when
there was virtually no rain.
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BARNHART:
We can say they left for drought reasons.
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But if these
perfectly good places
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were good again
after the drought,
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why didn't they come back?
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It had to be more
than just a practical
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"well, we can't
plant here anymore."
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SHATNER:
If it wasn't drought that forced the Anasazi
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to leave their cliff dwellings,
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then what was it?
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According to
some anthropologists,
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the answer may lie
in their own mythology-
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in a tale about
a shadowy, supernatural figure
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known as the Gambler.
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ROB WEINER: The story of the Gambler
tells of a very powerful figure.
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He challenges all the people
of the Four Corners region
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to these gambling matches,
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and he always wins.
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And in these stories,
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the people give away
their goods.
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Eventually, they're giving away
even their homes and their food
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and eventually themselves
as slaves
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to this powerful gambler figure.
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And in their mythology,
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they say the Gambler
is the one who taught them
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how to build these great houses
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and asked them to do it,
basically,
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in terms of slavery.
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They were then his to command.
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WEINER:
Eventually in the story,
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the gods decide that the Gambler
has overstepped.
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He has become full of hubris.
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He's behaving
in a way he shouldn't.
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So he's eventually defeated
and banished from Chaco Canyon.
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So when the Gambler
was finally defeated,
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it's said that he laid
some kind of curse on the land.
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He said, "I will kill you
with lightning,
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"and I will send war
and disease among you.
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"May the cold freeze you,
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"may the fire burn you,
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may the waters drown you."
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Some groups say he opened up
some kind of vortex.
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And because there was so much
badness and so much suffering,
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everyone made
the decision to leave
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and never go there again.
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SHATNER:
Many cultures have tales of a wily trickster,
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someone who cheats people
out of hearth and home
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before laying a curse
on their village
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and vanishing
in a puff of smoke.
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But could the Anasazi's legend
of the Gambler
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have actually been based
on a real-life event?
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I went into museum collections,
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and I found hundreds
of gambling pieces
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excavated from Pueblo Bonito
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and the other buildings
in the canyon.
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Things like dice or pieces used
in different guessing games.
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There's a lot of archaeological
evidence for gambling
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at Chaco Canyon.
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And I do think
the stories are literal
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in the sense that it was
a major aspect of the society.
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It has to do with actual people,
historical events.
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SHATNER: Does archaeological
evidence of gambling mean
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the Anasazi legend
of the Gambler
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is simply a parable about
the dangers of unchecked vice?
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Or were the Anasazi forced
to flee from their homes
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after being tormented
by some sort
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of dark, supernatural force?
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Very often, abandoned villages
or abandoned sites
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are held to be haunted
by the ghosts.
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This is probably
a very widespread notion-
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that when
a civilization collapses,
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very often,
something went wrong.
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And it's not purely physical-
it's something spiritual.
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Today, Pueblo people
will go to Chaco
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and they will honor
their ancestors there.
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But some groups of them say
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that there was a very bad thing
that happened there
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and that their ancestors,
for a long period of time,
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didn't go there and they wanted
nothing to do with it.
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SHATNER:
Inside a narrow cave,
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two miners are searching
for bat guano,
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a key ingredient
in making fertilizer.
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But as they head deeper
into the darkness,
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they make
an unexpected discovery.
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They find more
than 40 human skeletons,
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some of which
are abnormally large.
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WEATHERLY:
In 1911,
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giant bones were found
in Lovelock Cave.
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Large human skulls
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and skeletons that measured
between seven and eight feet
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in height,
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which, for ancient man,
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would have been
rather significant.
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HUGH NEWMAN:
This caused a sensation.
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And one of the strange things
about the discoveries
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in Lovelock Cave
is that the skeletons
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were often found with red hair.
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So it does seem like they're
a different kind of people
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than the Native Americans
from the area.
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SHATNER: Although many of the
large bones found in Lovelock Cave
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were unfortunately lost to time,
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for decades,
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a number of skulls were
preserved at a local museum.
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NEWMAN:
Until about ten years ago,
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there were four
very large skulls on display
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inside the museum.
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These were then removed
and ceremonially buried.
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What's also interesting
is that over 100,000 artifacts
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were excavated
from Lovelock Cave.
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The strange thing is that
many of the artifacts were huge.
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Like, you have
giant-sized sandals.
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Like, a 15-inch-long shoe,
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which is size 29 U.S.,
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which would fit someone
who's about nine feet tall.
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And even pieces of clothing
which were so big,
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looked as though
they were worn by giants.
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SHATNER:
The idea that giant bones were actually found
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in a cave in Nevada
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may sound far-fetched to some.
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But the truth is that there were
many such discoveries reported
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during the Wild West.
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THOMPSON:
In the Southwestern United States,
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there's, uh, several
very strange stories
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of these, um, dead corpses
or skeletons
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being found regularly.
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In terms of the reports
of giants,
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this is a compelling motif.
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People were fascinated
by this idea
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of a giant race
that had lived here previously.
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And this connects
to a lot of biblical belief
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that tended to be fairly literal
back in the day.
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The Bible talks about back when
there was a race of giants
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that lived on the Earth.
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And so, for many people
in the Wild West,
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when you see, um, some skeletons
dug out of the earth
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that seem to corroborate this,
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this was a-an affirmation
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of literal biblical beliefs
as well.
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SHATNER:
Is it really possible that a race of giants
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once inhabited the Old West,
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as the numerous discoveries
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reported throughout the 1800s
suggest?
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And if so,
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was evidence of these giants
recovered in Lovelock Cave?
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Perhaps a clue can be found
by examining the history
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of the indigenous Paiute people,
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who have inhabited
the Nevada desert for centuries.
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WEATHERLY:
A woman named Sarah Winnemucca,
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who was a descendant of
Chief Winnemucca of the Paiutes,
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wrote a book in the 1800s and
recounted her people's battle
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with this race of giants,
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the Si-Te-Cah.
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Now, what's fascinating
about this is that
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she says that it was
an actual battle-
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not part of tribal lore
or mythology
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but something
that actually occurred.
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The Si-Te-Cah were red-haired
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and lived in the mountains
near the Paiute nation
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and they were cannibals.
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According to the Paiutes,
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they naturally grew tired
of being cannibalized,
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and they confronted
these giants.
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CHAD LEWIS:
A war was started between the giants
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and the Paiute people.
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For three years,
they battled one another.
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The last of the giants
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holed themselves up
in the Lovelock Cave.
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And the Paiute people
stuffed the openings
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with a bunch of brush
and firewood
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and lit the place on fire.
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And that was the end of
the red-haired giant cannibals.
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NEWMAN:
What's also interesting is that,
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when the discovery was made
in 1911 at Lovelock Cave,
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they also found evidence
of extreme burning
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which took place
near the entrance to the cave.
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So this matches the story
almost precisely.
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And, again, we have evidence
of red hair,
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because Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins
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actually saved some of the hair
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and sewed it
into a mourning dress,
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which she used
when she gave lectures.
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And so the story of the Paiutes
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defeating the giants
then suddenly became a reality.
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SHATNER: For many, the evidence
in support of the Paiute story
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about the red-headed giants
is compelling,
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not only because of what
was found in Lovelock Cave
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but also because
there have been reports
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of giant bones being discovered
in other places
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throughout
the Western Nevada desert.
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NEWMAN:
If you go back and look
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through the records,
you can find numerous accounts
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of bones, skeletons
and giant-sized artifacts
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that have been found
in this area.
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In 1904, it was reported
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that an 11-foot-tall skeleton
was found,
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and then we have
accounts in 1931
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of an eight-and-a-half-foot
skeleton that was reported.
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And so, the fact is,
you have the stories,
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you have the skeletal evidence
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and you have the artifacts
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and even the legends
that prove this was a real story
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of giants in this area.
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THOMPSON: To be sure, the Paiutes
believed this to be a historical truth.
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People might dismiss them
as just folklore.
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But again, who's to say
that it didn't happen?
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Of course,
there were ethnic conflicts.
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So, this has been
a real important part
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of many, many peoples'
historical beliefs
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and how they think
about their own history.
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The thought of red-haired,
man-eating giants
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roaming the American Southwest
is a bit unnerving.
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But there's another,
more recent story
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from the deserts of Nevada
that is also unsettling,
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because some believe
that an attempt to harness
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the raging waters
of the Colorado River
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may have awakened
a deadly curse.
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NARRATOR: With the country in
the grips of the Great Depression,
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President Franklin D. Roosevelt
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presides over
the dedication ceremony
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00:23:20,667 --> 00:23:24,000
of one of the most extraordinary
engineering projects
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00:23:24,167 --> 00:23:27,000
in United Sates history:
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the Hoover Dam.
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McBRIDE:
There were thousands of people.
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And at that time,
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the people who came to listen
to the president dedicate it
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understood that it was
more than just a dam.
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They were standing
on a structure
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that they had built with their
own blood and sweat and tears.
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We are here to celebrate
the completion
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of the greatest dam
in the world.
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SHATNER:
Named for President Herbert Hoover,
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who was in office when
construction began in 1931,
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the Hoover Dam is located
in the Black Canyon region
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of the Colorado River.
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Officials believed
that a dam in this area
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could help manage flooding
of the Colorado River,
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provide a much-needed reservoir
of fresh water
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and be a source
of hydroelectric power.
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There was just one problem.
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In order to tame
the Colorado River,
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the engineers
would have to construct
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a more ambitious dam
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than had ever
been created before.
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McBRIDE:
Here you have the Colorado River,
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one of the wildest and most
untamed waterways in the world,
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and you want to tame it,
you want to control it
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so that you can provide
dependable water storage,
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hydroelectric power, irrigation.
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MICHAEL DENNIN:
Well, when I think of the Hoover Dam,
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I'm impressed that we actually
moved the river
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to build the dam.
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00:25:00,876 --> 00:25:03,541
And they had to divert the river
through tunnels,
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through the mountainsides
on either side.
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So, you have a dry bed
that you can build the dam on,
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and then bringing
the river back just amazes me.
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SHATNER:
Built in just five years,
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two years ahead of schedule,
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the Hoover Dam is a staggering
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726 feet tall.
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At the time of its construction,
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it was the tallest dam
ever built,
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the costliest water project
ever undertaken
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and home to the largest
hydroelectric power plant
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in the world.
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McBRIDE:
Never before, ever in history,
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had there been
that much concrete placed
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and poured in one spot.
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And enough concrete went into
the construction of the dam
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that you could build
a two-lane highway
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from San Francisco to New York.
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SHATNER:
The Hoover Dam changed the face of the nation,
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allowing for
the explosive growth
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00:26:01,917 --> 00:26:05,667
of cities like Las Vegas
and Los Angeles,
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00:26:05,833 --> 00:26:08,125
and fueling
the country's recovery
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00:26:08,292 --> 00:26:10,167
from the Great Depression.
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00:26:10,168 --> 00:26:13,916
But some have suggested
that the Hoover Dam represents
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not just an engineering
success story
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but also humanity's desire
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to bend the forces of nature
to our will.
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McBRIDE:
The construction engineer Walker Young
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was widely quoted
at one time as saying,
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"The Lord put that canyon there,
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all we had to do was find it."
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That speaks to a very, kind of,
508
00:26:41,208 --> 00:26:43,625
Judeo-Christian philosophy
509
00:26:43,792 --> 00:26:46,708
that human beings
510
00:26:46,875 --> 00:26:50,167
were the paramount creatures
511
00:26:50,375 --> 00:26:52,845
and so, we're going to impose
our needs on nature
512
00:26:52,875 --> 00:26:54,917
and we're going
to control nature.
513
00:26:55,753 --> 00:26:59,957
LYNNE McNEILL:
The flooding power of rivers
514
00:26:59,958 --> 00:27:02,666
is something that humankind
has been contending with
515
00:27:02,667 --> 00:27:04,958
since there has been humankind.
516
00:27:05,167 --> 00:27:07,833
And, in a lot of ways,
517
00:27:08,042 --> 00:27:11,292
the more we're able to restrain
518
00:27:11,417 --> 00:27:13,037
what have often been understood
519
00:27:13,042 --> 00:27:16,167
as the unrestrainable forces
of nature,
520
00:27:16,333 --> 00:27:20,333
the more we suspect
that maybe something superhuman
521
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:22,542
is taking place there.
522
00:27:22,543 --> 00:27:25,082
SHATNER:
Was the construction of the Hoover Dam
523
00:27:25,083 --> 00:27:27,917
motivated by our need
to harness,
524
00:27:28,042 --> 00:27:32,667
control and ultimately
have power over Mother Nature?
525
00:27:32,833 --> 00:27:36,500
There are many who believe
that to be the case,
526
00:27:36,667 --> 00:27:39,708
and as evidence,
they point to a curious memorial
527
00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:42,500
that was placed next to the dam:
528
00:27:42,708 --> 00:27:46,125
an intricate celestial star map,
529
00:27:46,292 --> 00:27:50,208
intended to send a message
to future generations.
530
00:27:50,375 --> 00:27:52,375
McBRIDE:
The celestial star map
531
00:27:52,542 --> 00:27:55,417
is an amazing piece of art deco
532
00:27:55,583 --> 00:28:00,000
where, laid into the ground,
is a star map
533
00:28:00,125 --> 00:28:03,833
with brass discs
named after certain stars.
534
00:28:04,042 --> 00:28:07,333
And the purpose of that
was really just one thing.
535
00:28:07,542 --> 00:28:08,833
It was to fix,
536
00:28:08,958 --> 00:28:11,333
in astrological time,
537
00:28:11,542 --> 00:28:13,500
the very moment-
538
00:28:13,501 --> 00:28:15,874
the month, the day,
the minute, the second-
539
00:28:15,875 --> 00:28:19,000
that Hoover Dam
was-was dedicated.
540
00:28:19,001 --> 00:28:22,499
SHATNER:
The builders of the Hoover Dam certainly believed
541
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:25,542
that their creation would
be an everlasting testament
542
00:28:25,667 --> 00:28:28,833
to their triumph
over the Colorado River.
543
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,542
But what happens when
the forces of nature defy
544
00:28:33,708 --> 00:28:36,292
our attempts to control them
545
00:28:36,458 --> 00:28:39,667
in ways that we can't foresee?
546
00:28:39,875 --> 00:28:43,667
Lake Mead is the man-made
body of water
547
00:28:43,875 --> 00:28:46,667
created by the Hoover Dam,
548
00:28:46,833 --> 00:28:48,943
and what's interesting
is that Lake Mead
549
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,042
is actually one
of the most deadly
550
00:28:52,208 --> 00:28:55,417
recreational areas
that we have in this country.
551
00:28:55,583 --> 00:28:58,750
People drown mysteriously.
552
00:28:58,875 --> 00:29:02,833
So many people
end up dying there.
553
00:29:02,834 --> 00:29:05,666
One of the fascinating things
about Lake Mead
554
00:29:05,667 --> 00:29:07,250
are these methane or gas pits.
555
00:29:08,292 --> 00:29:11,833
And methane basically comes
when vegetation decomposes.
556
00:29:12,042 --> 00:29:14,500
Now, one of the things
that Lake Mead did
557
00:29:14,667 --> 00:29:16,227
is cover up a lot of vegetation,
558
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:19,080
because you make a lake
where there wasn't a lake before
559
00:29:19,081 --> 00:29:20,791
and what you had before
was stuff growing.
560
00:29:20,792 --> 00:29:23,375
So you can get
these periodic releases
561
00:29:23,542 --> 00:29:25,458
of the methane gas
562
00:29:25,459 --> 00:29:27,166
that's been generated
under the water
563
00:29:27,167 --> 00:29:29,250
from the vegetation decomposing.
564
00:29:29,375 --> 00:29:32,000
BARA:
When the methane bubbles up to the surface,
565
00:29:32,001 --> 00:29:34,832
what can happen is if a boat
is over that methane bubble,
566
00:29:34,833 --> 00:29:36,917
it basically will lose
all buoyancy
567
00:29:37,083 --> 00:29:40,083
and just sink like a rock
to the bottom of the lake.
568
00:29:40,292 --> 00:29:43,833
So, by building the lake
over this land,
569
00:29:44,042 --> 00:29:47,458
we may, in fact, have created
a very dangerous situation,
570
00:29:47,459 --> 00:29:49,082
and sort of set up
the lake itself
571
00:29:49,083 --> 00:29:51,208
to basically be a death trap.
572
00:29:51,209 --> 00:29:53,624
I think if you reflect back
to when the engineers
573
00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:56,125
were making the Hoover Dam,
574
00:29:56,292 --> 00:29:59,333
it's often portrayed
as trying to control nature.
575
00:29:59,542 --> 00:30:01,917
The focus was on the dam,
576
00:30:01,918 --> 00:30:03,666
and we probably weren't
even asking questions
577
00:30:03,667 --> 00:30:05,207
about the larger impact
on nature
578
00:30:05,208 --> 00:30:06,541
'cause it would have been
too hard
579
00:30:06,542 --> 00:30:07,922
to calculate or worry about.
580
00:30:08,042 --> 00:30:10,583
The challenge
with engineering and science
581
00:30:10,792 --> 00:30:13,167
is always
the unintended consequences.
582
00:30:13,333 --> 00:30:17,542
For the most part,
people are driven by this desire
583
00:30:17,708 --> 00:30:19,500
to make things better.
584
00:30:20,542 --> 00:30:24,167
SHATNER: Did the ambitious plan
to create the Hoover Dam and Lake Mead
585
00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:26,875
overlook
the possible consequences
586
00:30:27,042 --> 00:30:30,000
of messing with Mother Nature?
587
00:30:30,208 --> 00:30:33,000
The same might be said
for a group
588
00:30:33,167 --> 00:30:35,333
of ill-prepared English settlers
589
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,833
whose pioneering spirit
590
00:30:38,042 --> 00:30:41,000
may have cost them their lives.
591
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,750
SHATNER:
More than 400 years ago,
592
00:30:52,917 --> 00:30:55,667
this was the site
of a colony called Roanoke,
593
00:30:55,833 --> 00:30:59,958
the first English settlement
in North America.
594
00:31:00,125 --> 00:31:03,125
Roanoke is known
as the Lost Colony
595
00:31:03,292 --> 00:31:08,000
because it was
mysteriously abandoned in 1590,
596
00:31:08,208 --> 00:31:12,500
and the colonists
vanished without a trace.
597
00:31:12,501 --> 00:31:15,541
The Lost Colony
remains this mystery
598
00:31:15,542 --> 00:31:18,132
that's at the very heart
of the origin of our nation.
599
00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:20,208
People remain fascinated
by Roanoke
600
00:31:20,375 --> 00:31:23,500
because we know so little
about the place.
601
00:31:24,667 --> 00:31:26,625
We know what happened
at Jamestown.
602
00:31:26,792 --> 00:31:28,875
We know what happened
at Plymouth.
603
00:31:29,042 --> 00:31:30,917
But Roanoke is this mystery
604
00:31:31,083 --> 00:31:33,208
because we don't know
what happened.
605
00:31:33,209 --> 00:31:36,541
When we think about the founding
of the United States of America,
606
00:31:36,542 --> 00:31:39,333
we think of it
in this fairly linear way,
607
00:31:39,542 --> 00:31:40,917
that colonists showed up,
608
00:31:41,083 --> 00:31:43,875
they settled,
they move West: America.
609
00:31:44,042 --> 00:31:46,792
And really, it turns out
that there were a number
610
00:31:46,917 --> 00:31:50,833
of false starts in how
this country got started.
611
00:31:50,958 --> 00:31:54,708
And one of those
was the colony at Roanoke.
612
00:31:54,875 --> 00:31:56,865
This was a group of people
who showed up
613
00:31:57,042 --> 00:31:59,792
and were ready to settle.
614
00:31:59,958 --> 00:32:03,208
But what happened to that colony
615
00:32:03,375 --> 00:32:07,167
is one of the big unanswered
questions of American history.
616
00:32:08,375 --> 00:32:11,250
SHATNER:
What happened to the Roanoke colonists?
617
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,833
Perhaps the answer can be found
by examining the events
618
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,958
in the late 16th century
619
00:32:18,083 --> 00:32:21,375
that led to their
fateful disappearance.
620
00:32:22,417 --> 00:32:25,292
LAWLER:
In the 1580s, England was a very small,
621
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:27,458
poor, struggling island
622
00:32:27,625 --> 00:32:29,042
that really wanted to get in
623
00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:31,833
on the game
of colonizing the Americas,
624
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,750
'cause that's where
the money was.
625
00:32:33,751 --> 00:32:36,124
GABRIEL-POWELL:
The English were looking at the Spanish ships
626
00:32:36,125 --> 00:32:39,250
coming back laden with gold
and various commodities from
627
00:32:39,251 --> 00:32:40,874
their empire,
if you like, in Mexico,
628
00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:42,583
South America, Florida,
629
00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:45,750
and of course, that was making
the Spanish very powerful.
630
00:32:45,958 --> 00:32:48,250
Essentially, it was a case of,
631
00:32:48,375 --> 00:32:51,875
"If we don't find our own source
of wealth in this new world,
632
00:32:52,042 --> 00:32:55,167
we could be, sort of,
overrun by our enemies."
633
00:32:55,333 --> 00:32:59,125
SHATNER:
In 1587, an English mapmaker named John White
634
00:32:59,250 --> 00:33:03,208
was commissioned to found
a new colony on Roanoke Island,
635
00:33:03,417 --> 00:33:05,827
which had been claimed
by a British expedition
636
00:33:05,958 --> 00:33:08,750
to the New World
two years earlier.
637
00:33:08,875 --> 00:33:11,417
After an arduous
two-month voyage
638
00:33:11,583 --> 00:33:13,333
across the Atlantic Ocean,
639
00:33:13,542 --> 00:33:16,083
White and 117 colonists
640
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:19,167
landed on Roanoke Island.
641
00:33:19,333 --> 00:33:21,708
LAWLER:
The people who chose to come along
642
00:33:21,875 --> 00:33:23,833
on this ill-fated expedition
643
00:33:24,042 --> 00:33:26,083
were middle-class people
from London.
644
00:33:26,208 --> 00:33:29,500
So, they were eager
to find new lands,
645
00:33:29,667 --> 00:33:32,197
because to have land in England
meant everything.
646
00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:34,417
That's what gave you status.
647
00:33:35,375 --> 00:33:37,425
But they knew
they needed more supplies
648
00:33:37,458 --> 00:33:41,917
and more colonists in order
to succeed, in order to thrive.
649
00:33:42,083 --> 00:33:45,333
So, John White decided
to return to England
650
00:33:45,542 --> 00:33:48,192
in order to get those needed
supplies and colonists.
651
00:33:48,250 --> 00:33:52,208
SHATNER:
On August 25th, 1587,
652
00:33:52,417 --> 00:33:55,083
only three months
after first arriving on Roanoke,
653
00:33:55,292 --> 00:33:58,625
John White set sail for England.
654
00:33:58,708 --> 00:34:02,875
He planned to return with aid
in less than six months,
655
00:34:03,042 --> 00:34:05,875
but a series of conflicts
with the Spanish navy
656
00:34:06,083 --> 00:34:08,375
would delay
White's return mission
657
00:34:08,542 --> 00:34:11,458
for three long years.
658
00:34:11,625 --> 00:34:15,833
In August of 1590, John White
returns to Roanoke Island.
659
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,667
They anchor offshore.
660
00:34:18,917 --> 00:34:20,750
And when they arrive,
it's dark,
661
00:34:20,751 --> 00:34:22,874
and it's too late
for them to go ashore,
662
00:34:22,875 --> 00:34:25,000
but John White is happy
663
00:34:25,125 --> 00:34:27,208
because he sees a fire
in the distance
664
00:34:27,375 --> 00:34:30,385
and he assumes that the settlers
are there waiting for him,
665
00:34:30,458 --> 00:34:32,083
maybe even have seen his ship
666
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:35,500
and have lit a bonfire
in order to guide him in.
667
00:34:35,667 --> 00:34:38,333
SHATNER:
The next morning, White came ashore,
668
00:34:38,458 --> 00:34:42,167
expecting to find the colonists
there to welcome him back.
669
00:34:42,333 --> 00:34:44,792
But to his surprise,
there was no sign of them.
670
00:34:46,625 --> 00:34:50,333
The entire settlement
was completely abandoned.
671
00:34:50,334 --> 00:34:51,874
GABRIEL-POWELL:
John White gets back to Roanoke,
672
00:34:51,875 --> 00:34:53,625
but there's no sign of anyone,
673
00:34:53,833 --> 00:34:57,167
and he finds all the houses
have been taken down.
674
00:34:57,292 --> 00:35:00,125
And in their place
is a very, very well-built,
675
00:35:00,250 --> 00:35:03,250
defensible fort,
so a little bit of a mystery.
676
00:35:03,417 --> 00:35:07,167
You've got this new fort
that wasn't there in 1587
677
00:35:07,333 --> 00:35:08,792
when he last saw them,
678
00:35:08,958 --> 00:35:10,792
and the place is deserted.
679
00:35:11,875 --> 00:35:13,417
Where have they gone?
680
00:35:13,418 --> 00:35:15,374
SHATNER:
Eventually, John White came across
681
00:35:15,375 --> 00:35:18,085
a cryptic clue as to the
whereabouts of the colonists.
682
00:35:19,083 --> 00:35:22,208
He found the word "Croatoan"
683
00:35:22,375 --> 00:35:25,625
mysteriously carved
into a wooden post.
684
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:28,833
John White told the colonists
when he left in 1587
685
00:35:28,834 --> 00:35:31,624
that if they were to abandon
the settlement, that they should
686
00:35:31,625 --> 00:35:34,292
leave a secret token,
as he called it, behind
687
00:35:34,293 --> 00:35:36,291
so that he would know
where to find them,
688
00:35:36,292 --> 00:35:38,208
and this seemed
to be the answer.
689
00:35:38,375 --> 00:35:40,833
Here was "Croatoan"
carved onto the post.
690
00:35:41,042 --> 00:35:43,542
"Croatoan" was what
we call Hatteras today,
691
00:35:43,708 --> 00:35:46,667
an island about 50 miles
to the south.
692
00:35:46,875 --> 00:35:49,833
It's also the name
of the tribe of Native Americans
693
00:35:49,958 --> 00:35:52,083
who lived on the island.
694
00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:54,833
SHATNER:
But when John White prepared to set sail
695
00:35:54,834 --> 00:35:56,374
to search for the colonists,
696
00:35:56,375 --> 00:35:59,625
a storm blew in
and damaged his ship,
697
00:35:59,750 --> 00:36:02,958
and he was forced
to return to England.
698
00:36:03,125 --> 00:36:06,292
Unfortunately, John White
699
00:36:06,458 --> 00:36:09,667
was never able to return
to the New World to search
700
00:36:09,833 --> 00:36:11,542
for the lost colonists.
701
00:36:13,833 --> 00:36:17,000
But in recent years,
archaeologists have carried out
702
00:36:17,167 --> 00:36:19,217
extensive excavations
to try and solve
703
00:36:19,292 --> 00:36:23,042
this 400-year-old mystery.
704
00:36:23,043 --> 00:36:25,249
Archaeologists have been
digging on Hatteras,
705
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:26,708
what was called Croatoan,
706
00:36:26,875 --> 00:36:30,000
and they have come up with
some remarkable evidence.
707
00:36:30,167 --> 00:36:33,333
The first, most important piece
of evidence found
708
00:36:33,542 --> 00:36:37,125
was a gold ring that was made
in Elizabethan times.
709
00:36:37,126 --> 00:36:38,874
This was big news,
because it seemed
710
00:36:38,875 --> 00:36:42,417
to indicate the possibility that
at least one of the colonists
711
00:36:42,583 --> 00:36:45,542
had been on Croatoan Island.
712
00:36:45,708 --> 00:36:50,333
And then another competing team
was digging on Hatteras Island,
713
00:36:50,542 --> 00:36:52,875
and what they found
was really intriguing.
714
00:36:53,083 --> 00:36:55,083
They actually
discovered the hilt
715
00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:57,333
of an Elizabethan-era sword
716
00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:00,208
that was found
in a Native American village.
717
00:37:01,208 --> 00:37:04,167
Now, whether or not
this is something that belonged
718
00:37:04,292 --> 00:37:06,417
to a lost colonist
remains to be seen.
719
00:37:06,418 --> 00:37:10,374
GABRIEL-POWELL:
It's possible some did survive long enough
720
00:37:10,375 --> 00:37:12,999
to have a family and that there
would have been assimilation
721
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,792
with the Croatoans.
722
00:37:14,793 --> 00:37:17,832
And yet, considering
how much archaeology
723
00:37:17,833 --> 00:37:20,000
that's been done,
we have no skeletons.
724
00:37:20,208 --> 00:37:21,958
Where are they?
725
00:37:22,083 --> 00:37:23,417
That is a mystery.
726
00:37:23,418 --> 00:37:26,791
McNEILL:
If we had found dead bodies scattered
727
00:37:26,792 --> 00:37:29,333
or obvious signs
of a siege or an attack,
728
00:37:29,458 --> 00:37:31,417
that would be the answer
that we need.
729
00:37:31,542 --> 00:37:34,167
We get this word, "Croatoan."
730
00:37:34,292 --> 00:37:36,667
But did people
actually make it there?
731
00:37:36,833 --> 00:37:38,333
Where did they go?
732
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:42,167
What happened
to this group of settlers?
733
00:37:42,250 --> 00:37:44,208
It's the ambiguity
734
00:37:44,333 --> 00:37:46,375
that really keeps
this legend alive.
735
00:37:52,474 --> 00:37:56,207
SHATNER:
Contractors begin uncovering
736
00:37:56,208 --> 00:37:58,667
a series of strange artifacts
737
00:37:58,833 --> 00:38:03,500
while renovating a string of
18th-century houses in the area.
738
00:38:04,375 --> 00:38:06,500
Mummified animals,
739
00:38:06,708 --> 00:38:09,667
dismembered dolls,
broken knife blades,
740
00:38:09,875 --> 00:38:12,958
strange bottles
filled with human hair,
741
00:38:13,167 --> 00:38:17,292
bent nails and silver pins,
742
00:38:17,458 --> 00:38:22,000
and all concealed
within hidden nooks and voids
743
00:38:22,208 --> 00:38:24,333
throughout the old homes.
744
00:38:24,458 --> 00:38:28,458
The artifacts are so unnerving
that many began to wonder
745
00:38:28,625 --> 00:38:31,500
who had placed them
throughout the homes,
746
00:38:31,708 --> 00:38:35,042
and perhaps
more importantly, why?
747
00:38:37,375 --> 00:38:40,042
After looking
at a-a number of instances of,
748
00:38:40,043 --> 00:38:41,874
of these either
intentional deposits
749
00:38:41,875 --> 00:38:45,833
or objects that were located
in strange places-
750
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,708
uh, shoes, um, animal parts,
751
00:38:48,833 --> 00:38:51,750
bottles with, um,
unusual contents in them-
752
00:38:51,917 --> 00:38:54,292
certain patterns
that seem to be prevalent
753
00:38:54,417 --> 00:38:57,542
throughout the area,
uh, became apparent.
754
00:38:57,708 --> 00:39:00,708
We see them in England
and in the Netherlands
755
00:39:00,875 --> 00:39:02,865
and in Germany
where a lot of the people
756
00:39:02,917 --> 00:39:05,507
who settled in New York State
originally came from.
757
00:39:05,508 --> 00:39:08,374
And so, it's clear that people
brought their folk beliefs
758
00:39:08,375 --> 00:39:09,792
and folk religion with them
759
00:39:09,917 --> 00:39:12,917
when they moved
across the Atlantic Ocean.
760
00:39:13,083 --> 00:39:16,250
Evidently, in all these cases,
there was a very strong belief
761
00:39:16,417 --> 00:39:19,292
in, uh, the agency of evil
762
00:39:19,417 --> 00:39:21,500
to affect people's
everyday lives,
763
00:39:21,667 --> 00:39:24,125
particularly
in a number of stories
764
00:39:24,292 --> 00:39:27,833
that related to fears of illness
765
00:39:28,042 --> 00:39:30,167
or of the potential for curses
766
00:39:30,375 --> 00:39:32,833
to access houses
through openings,
767
00:39:32,958 --> 00:39:37,292
uh, particularly, uh,
through fireplaces,
768
00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:39,958
doors, windows,
that kind of thing.
769
00:39:39,959 --> 00:39:43,791
Yeah, the more you look,
the more you find these objects,
770
00:39:43,792 --> 00:39:45,750
and it becomes
increasingly clear
771
00:39:45,751 --> 00:39:48,291
that the numbers of objects
that we have found,
772
00:39:48,292 --> 00:39:50,458
which go into the thousands,
773
00:39:50,625 --> 00:39:52,792
is really just
the tip of the iceberg.
774
00:39:52,958 --> 00:39:57,375
SHATNER: But were these strange
objects carefully collected and hidden
775
00:39:57,542 --> 00:40:01,083
in order to invoke
a deadly curse
776
00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:03,375
or as a means of preventing one?
777
00:40:03,376 --> 00:40:06,207
I think what people
were really focused on
778
00:40:06,208 --> 00:40:09,167
was finding ways of turning
that harmful magic around
779
00:40:09,333 --> 00:40:11,500
and either repelling it
or trapping it
780
00:40:11,501 --> 00:40:13,916
or thwarting it in some way
from getting into their houses.
781
00:40:13,917 --> 00:40:16,542
So, the local, sort of,
white witch or wizard
782
00:40:16,708 --> 00:40:19,000
could be paid to produce
a charm for you,
783
00:40:19,001 --> 00:40:21,749
and the charm would eventually
be concealed on your property
784
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:24,667
as a trap, essentially,
to impale any negative energies
785
00:40:24,668 --> 00:40:26,707
coming into the house
looking to attack you
786
00:40:26,708 --> 00:40:28,374
and stop it from
going further into the house
787
00:40:28,375 --> 00:40:29,875
where it might do you harm.
788
00:40:30,219 --> 00:40:33,916
SHATNER:
While such arcane practices
789
00:40:33,917 --> 00:40:36,625
may seem like the stuff
of fairy tales and fantasy,
790
00:40:36,833 --> 00:40:41,167
is it possible that mystical
talisman and other charms
791
00:40:41,333 --> 00:40:43,792
can actually protect people
792
00:40:43,875 --> 00:40:46,667
from the deadly effects
of curses?
793
00:40:46,668 --> 00:40:49,874
JONATHAN YOUNG:
Things that are mysterious,
794
00:40:49,875 --> 00:40:52,042
if we put it
in the right narrative,
795
00:40:52,208 --> 00:40:55,333
then we have a semblance
of control or understanding,
796
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:57,417
even though
we made up the story.
797
00:40:57,542 --> 00:41:00,542
The explanations
may not be very sound,
798
00:41:00,667 --> 00:41:02,833
but they still
give us some comfort.
799
00:41:03,875 --> 00:41:07,833
WHITEHEAD: Maybe these curses
are created by us, by our imagination,
800
00:41:08,042 --> 00:41:11,750
by us trying to deal
with the mystery of nature,
801
00:41:11,917 --> 00:41:14,333
and then it actually
comes to life
802
00:41:14,417 --> 00:41:16,500
because we bring
the curse to life
803
00:41:16,708 --> 00:41:20,167
by attaching our mind to it,
collectively.
804
00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:23,583
So, just what should we make
805
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:27,833
of these odd
and unsettling tales?
806
00:41:27,958 --> 00:41:31,625
Could the strange lights
hovering over Phoenix, Arizona,
807
00:41:31,792 --> 00:41:34,708
be aliens or simply aircraft?
808
00:41:34,875 --> 00:41:38,667
Are the massive bones
found in the Nevada desert
809
00:41:38,833 --> 00:41:43,208
evidence that a race of giants
is more than just a legend?
810
00:41:44,708 --> 00:41:47,542
And how can we explain
the disappearance
811
00:41:47,708 --> 00:41:50,917
of not one but two
groups of people
812
00:41:51,083 --> 00:41:53,013
who seemed to vanish
without a trace?
813
00:41:53,167 --> 00:41:57,667
Well, for now, these mysteries
from all across America
814
00:41:57,833 --> 00:42:02,167
will remain unexplained.
815
00:42:02,168 --> 00:42:03,882
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