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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,528 --> 00:00:03,111 (film reeling) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:20,605 --> 00:00:23,022 (slow music) 5 00:00:30,516 --> 00:00:33,338 - [Narrator] Would you raise your right hand, please? 6 00:00:33,338 --> 00:00:35,488 Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth 7 00:00:35,488 --> 00:00:37,183 and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 8 00:00:37,183 --> 00:00:38,016 - Yeah. 9 00:00:38,898 --> 00:00:40,674 - [Narrator] Would you please give us your full name? 10 00:00:40,674 --> 00:00:42,224 - [Lance] Lance Armstrong. 11 00:00:42,224 --> 00:00:43,396 - [Narrator] Do you understand that although 12 00:00:43,396 --> 00:00:45,299 we're in the conference room of your lawyers, 13 00:00:45,299 --> 00:00:49,229 you are giving testimony as if you are in a court of law? 14 00:00:49,229 --> 00:00:50,062 Do you understand that? 15 00:00:50,062 --> 00:00:50,895 - Correct. 16 00:00:50,895 --> 00:00:51,857 - [Narrator] And that penalties 17 00:00:51,857 --> 00:00:54,430 of perjury attach to this deposition 18 00:00:54,430 --> 00:00:56,526 just like they would to a court of law proceeding. 19 00:00:56,526 --> 00:00:57,526 - Of course. 20 00:00:59,877 --> 00:01:01,618 - [Narrator] There's been allegations 21 00:01:01,618 --> 00:01:02,866 regarding what has been alleged 22 00:01:02,866 --> 00:01:05,305 to be a steroid or cortisone in connection. 23 00:01:05,305 --> 00:01:06,674 - What do you mean, a steroid or a cortisone? 24 00:01:06,674 --> 00:01:08,380 - [Narrator] Cortisone, I'm sorry, I apologize. 25 00:01:08,380 --> 00:01:09,665 - Because they're different. 26 00:01:09,665 --> 00:01:12,759 - [Narrator] I understand, believe me. 27 00:01:12,759 --> 00:01:16,926 - One is actually anabolic and one is actually catabolic. 28 00:01:18,987 --> 00:01:20,587 - [Narrator] Know what they've done with the money? 29 00:01:20,587 --> 00:01:21,987 - [Lance] I just told you I don't know. 30 00:01:21,987 --> 00:01:22,820 - [Narrator] Was it earmarked? 31 00:01:22,820 --> 00:01:26,987 - Which part of I don't know do you not understand? 32 00:01:28,686 --> 00:01:29,526 - [Narrator] I'm just trying to make sure 33 00:01:29,526 --> 00:01:30,359 your testimony is clear. 34 00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:31,886 - How many times do I have to say it? 35 00:01:31,886 --> 00:01:34,386 It can't be any clear than I've never taken drugs. 36 00:01:34,386 --> 00:01:35,886 How clear is that? 37 00:01:44,767 --> 00:01:46,457 - [Narrator] His name is Lance Armstrong, 38 00:01:46,457 --> 00:01:48,409 and today, if his legs feel strong, 39 00:01:48,409 --> 00:01:50,414 this 21-year-old Texan can become 40 00:01:50,414 --> 00:01:54,072 cycling's first million-dollar baby. 41 00:01:54,072 --> 00:01:55,656 (exciting music) 42 00:01:55,656 --> 00:01:56,928 - Regardless of the million-dollar prize, 43 00:01:56,928 --> 00:01:58,563 it's been a race that I wanted to win all year long 44 00:01:58,563 --> 00:02:00,560 and now with that staring me in the face, 45 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,705 it's an even bigger race. 46 00:02:02,705 --> 00:02:04,190 - [Narrator] He's going for his third consecutive 47 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:06,779 victory with only today's four states championship 48 00:02:06,779 --> 00:02:08,140 standing in the way of winning 49 00:02:08,140 --> 00:02:10,314 the Thrift Drug Triple Crown. 50 00:02:10,314 --> 00:02:11,147 look out Philadelphia, 51 00:02:11,147 --> 00:02:13,147 Lance is coming to town! 52 00:02:14,707 --> 00:02:17,446 - There was this million-dollar prize, if Lance Armstrong 53 00:02:17,446 --> 00:02:18,828 could win, so all the pressure was on him, 54 00:02:18,828 --> 00:02:20,411 it was on the team. 55 00:02:22,347 --> 00:02:23,865 Thing is, he was the favorite going in. 56 00:02:23,865 --> 00:02:24,898 He was strong, 57 00:02:24,898 --> 00:02:26,232 he was beating up on everybody. 58 00:02:26,232 --> 00:02:30,050 - I'll be disappointed with anything but a win. 59 00:02:30,050 --> 00:02:32,346 - Lance had the chance to win it. 60 00:02:32,346 --> 00:02:36,513 But he knows, the man to beat that day, it was me. 61 00:02:38,227 --> 00:02:39,739 - [Announcer] Roberto Gaggioli. 62 00:02:39,739 --> 00:02:42,105 - It was my race, every year 63 00:02:42,105 --> 00:02:45,080 I was preparing for that race. 64 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,010 - [Announcer] And Frankie Andreu of Motorola 65 00:02:47,010 --> 00:02:48,766 who has slowed down the brakes. 66 00:02:48,766 --> 00:02:49,599 - [Narrator] I remember Lance 67 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:52,182 made a deal with some Italians. 68 00:02:54,089 --> 00:02:56,914 Stephen Swart, Davis Phinney, Tommy, 69 00:02:56,914 --> 00:02:59,831 the team have this deal with Lance. 70 00:03:00,977 --> 00:03:03,107 - [Announcer] Lance Armstrong is flying up the wall, 71 00:03:03,107 --> 00:03:05,828 making it look almost effortless! 72 00:03:05,828 --> 00:03:10,186 - The last three laps is when the race is decided. 73 00:03:10,186 --> 00:03:12,883 That's when Lance starts talking to me, 74 00:03:12,883 --> 00:03:15,350 he wants to make sure that I was in the plan, 75 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:17,960 didn't want to take any risk. 76 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,391 And he say, We make a deal, 77 00:03:20,391 --> 00:03:22,962 and I know you're the only one can come with me, 78 00:03:22,962 --> 00:03:24,360 but don't come with me. 79 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,433 - [Announcer] And right on cue, Lance is out of the saddle, 80 00:03:26,433 --> 00:03:28,437 pushing himself into a higher gear. 81 00:03:28,437 --> 00:03:31,935 - On my heart, on my deep heart, I don't want to do it, 82 00:03:31,935 --> 00:03:34,346 but when you have eight team-mates, 83 00:03:34,346 --> 00:03:36,190 you can't go against the team. 84 00:03:36,190 --> 00:03:37,145 - [Announcer] The group could do nothing 85 00:03:37,145 --> 00:03:40,205 but watch Lance dance away into the lead 86 00:03:40,205 --> 00:03:43,128 as they, compared to Lance, seemed to be standing still. 87 00:03:43,128 --> 00:03:46,973 - And so I pulled back and see him going. 88 00:03:46,973 --> 00:03:47,973 And he went. 89 00:03:52,162 --> 00:03:54,491 (cheering) 90 00:03:54,491 --> 00:03:55,324 - [Announcer] And true to form, 91 00:03:55,324 --> 00:03:56,901 Lance doesn't disappoint them. 92 00:03:56,901 --> 00:04:00,723 Cycling's first million-dollar man, US Pro champion! 93 00:04:00,723 --> 00:04:03,428 - Deep inside, I feel terrible, because I know I could have, 94 00:04:03,428 --> 00:04:04,477 I could have won it. 95 00:04:04,477 --> 00:04:06,694 - [Announcer] For Lance, a joyous celebration 96 00:04:06,694 --> 00:04:08,269 with his mother. 97 00:04:08,269 --> 00:04:11,617 - The success that Lance has seen and will continue to see 98 00:04:11,617 --> 00:04:16,504 of course makes me very proud, there's not a better gift. 99 00:04:16,504 --> 00:04:17,817 - [Announcer] Lance has rolled the dice 100 00:04:17,817 --> 00:04:18,927 and come up a winner. 101 00:04:18,927 --> 00:04:19,890 - [Lance] It's a big day for me 102 00:04:19,890 --> 00:04:22,686 but I think it's a bigger day for cycling, 103 00:04:22,686 --> 00:04:24,353 everybody won today. 104 00:04:26,221 --> 00:04:28,429 - As far as I know, Philly's been going around for 30 years 105 00:04:28,429 --> 00:04:30,230 and I don't think that's ever been done before. 106 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:33,063 So, that's a huge chunk of change. 107 00:04:36,553 --> 00:04:39,886 - After the race, Lance come to my room, 108 00:04:40,882 --> 00:04:44,715 with a cake box, a metal cake box, a Panettone 109 00:04:46,065 --> 00:04:50,232 and he just gave it to me and say Merry Christmas. 110 00:04:53,679 --> 00:04:56,995 It was, like, 100,000 dollars. 111 00:04:56,995 --> 00:04:57,828 Cash. 112 00:04:58,983 --> 00:05:00,173 - [Narrator] This was a, 113 00:05:00,173 --> 00:05:03,256 this was a Lance Armstrong specialty. 114 00:05:05,343 --> 00:05:07,548 - I really want to win a classic. 115 00:05:07,548 --> 00:05:08,930 I mean, if you're going to put a lot of time into it, 116 00:05:08,930 --> 00:05:11,953 if I'm going to be 18, 19, 20 years old 117 00:05:11,953 --> 00:05:13,998 and I'm going to give up an education, 118 00:05:13,998 --> 00:05:14,831 if I'm going to give up. 119 00:05:14,831 --> 00:05:15,664 - [Interviewer] That is what you did? 120 00:05:15,664 --> 00:05:18,052 - Yeah, if I'm going to give up time at home, 121 00:05:18,052 --> 00:05:21,194 sure, it better be rewarding, in terms of money. 122 00:05:21,194 --> 00:05:22,755 - Always in the back of Lance's mind 123 00:05:22,755 --> 00:05:24,373 was that great fortunes can be made 124 00:05:24,373 --> 00:05:27,260 in professional road racing. 125 00:05:27,260 --> 00:05:29,736 And for a poor kid growing up, 126 00:05:29,736 --> 00:05:33,574 hard scrabble in Texas, it's important. 127 00:05:33,574 --> 00:05:36,504 The next progression is to race in Europe, 128 00:05:36,504 --> 00:05:38,587 in the biggest pro races. 129 00:05:40,977 --> 00:05:42,646 - Como, Italy, was kind of like the American base. 130 00:05:42,646 --> 00:05:45,926 A lot of 7-Eleven guys were living there, and at that time, 131 00:05:45,926 --> 00:05:47,045 Lance and I, 132 00:05:47,045 --> 00:05:48,862 I don't know how we got into the discussion, but we decided, 133 00:05:48,862 --> 00:05:51,079 Hey, we'll live together for next year 134 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:52,577 and so I was like, sweet. 135 00:05:52,577 --> 00:05:54,538 It'll be good, it'll be fun. 136 00:05:54,538 --> 00:05:55,607 It was great. 137 00:05:55,607 --> 00:05:57,106 You know, cooking, having risotto. 138 00:05:57,106 --> 00:05:58,233 I remember eating watermelon out 139 00:05:58,233 --> 00:06:00,057 on the balcony and we had this bad little car, 140 00:06:00,057 --> 00:06:02,242 that we used to get around. 141 00:06:02,242 --> 00:06:04,281 I mean, we weren't teenagers, 142 00:06:04,281 --> 00:06:06,762 but it was like teenagers just hanging out in Europe. 143 00:06:06,762 --> 00:06:08,664 - Frankie was Lance's closest friend, 144 00:06:08,664 --> 00:06:10,773 and because I was dating Frankie, 145 00:06:10,773 --> 00:06:15,130 I became friends with Lance as well, and he was fun. 146 00:06:15,130 --> 00:06:17,392 He was fun to hang out with. 147 00:06:17,392 --> 00:06:20,293 And Lance and I had a unique relationship, 148 00:06:20,293 --> 00:06:23,354 because so many people from early on 149 00:06:23,354 --> 00:06:25,933 would just kow-tow to him, 150 00:06:25,933 --> 00:06:29,183 but with Lance, he would try to rib me, 151 00:06:30,126 --> 00:06:32,409 and try to just get me going, 152 00:06:32,409 --> 00:06:36,265 and so we would butt heads and we would argue. 153 00:06:36,265 --> 00:06:38,956 But we kind of, I think, enjoyed 154 00:06:38,956 --> 00:06:41,623 getting under each other's skin. 155 00:06:47,958 --> 00:06:50,041 - Hello again, and welcome back to the Tour de France. 156 00:06:50,041 --> 00:06:51,152 We're at Stage eight this morning 157 00:06:51,152 --> 00:06:53,485 and the sun is still shining. 158 00:06:53,485 --> 00:06:56,178 - [Narrator] The Tour de France 159 00:06:56,178 --> 00:06:57,511 was really hard. 160 00:06:59,705 --> 00:07:03,216 Racing bikes in Europe is bad for you, it's not healthy. 161 00:07:03,216 --> 00:07:06,210 You sacrifice a lot to be successful. 162 00:07:06,210 --> 00:07:08,960 (car horn beeps) 163 00:07:10,740 --> 00:07:11,722 - At the Tour de France, 164 00:07:11,722 --> 00:07:13,945 I was rooming with Lance, and I was like, 165 00:07:13,945 --> 00:07:15,369 Lance, this is your day. 166 00:07:15,369 --> 00:07:16,703 This is the one you can win. 167 00:07:16,703 --> 00:07:17,917 And he was like, Really, you think so? 168 00:07:17,917 --> 00:07:18,818 I'm like, Yeah! 169 00:07:18,818 --> 00:07:21,150 - [Announcer] Armstrong is fifth down the line. 170 00:07:21,150 --> 00:07:22,780 Armstrong has the advantage. 171 00:07:22,780 --> 00:07:24,706 - It's got, like, a little 6K climb at the end, 172 00:07:24,706 --> 00:07:27,629 I mean, it's power downhill sprint, it's perfect. 173 00:07:27,629 --> 00:07:29,827 And on that day, the whole team committed, 174 00:07:29,827 --> 00:07:31,868 led him out to the bottom of that climb 175 00:07:31,868 --> 00:07:34,191 and pretty much, All right, go! 176 00:07:34,191 --> 00:07:36,215 - [Announcer] Armstrong boxed in by Dominique Arnould, 177 00:07:36,215 --> 00:07:38,298 who won the first stage of the Tour a year ago. 178 00:07:38,298 --> 00:07:39,404 They've pushed Armstrong very, 179 00:07:39,404 --> 00:07:41,521 very wide indeed as Pensec goes 180 00:07:41,521 --> 00:07:43,192 and Pensec really isn't a sprinter, 181 00:07:43,192 --> 00:07:44,730 this would be a surprise. 182 00:07:44,730 --> 00:07:47,436 Ronan Pensec leading out, now Armstrong goes, 183 00:07:47,436 --> 00:07:48,477 on the left of the picture, 184 00:07:48,477 --> 00:07:50,720 Lance Armstrong in his first Tour de France, 185 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,324 they all said he was too young, 186 00:07:52,324 --> 00:07:55,214 but he gets it on the line! 187 00:07:55,214 --> 00:07:57,828 - We met at the Motorola Hotel, 188 00:07:57,828 --> 00:07:59,947 he was only 21 years of age, he was riding 189 00:07:59,947 --> 00:08:01,730 the Tour for the first time 190 00:08:01,730 --> 00:08:03,866 and in that pathetic way of sports writers, 191 00:08:03,866 --> 00:08:06,855 we like to be able to say at some future point, 192 00:08:06,855 --> 00:08:07,960 Oh, you know, 193 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,813 I interviewed Lance when he was just a kid 194 00:08:09,813 --> 00:08:10,889 in his first Tour, 195 00:08:10,889 --> 00:08:12,430 it was going to be like a badge of honour. 196 00:08:12,430 --> 00:08:14,323 - That was a lot of fun. 197 00:08:14,323 --> 00:08:15,156 That was really. 198 00:08:15,156 --> 00:08:18,014 I think, just the way it went down with the last climb 199 00:08:18,014 --> 00:08:22,709 and guys were attacking and I was so motivated. 200 00:08:22,709 --> 00:08:23,868 - [David] When I asked him about what 201 00:08:23,868 --> 00:08:26,080 he felt like coming towards the end of race, 202 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,169 he said, oh, when I get in the situation 203 00:08:28,169 --> 00:08:30,402 with the little group of six or eight riders 204 00:08:30,402 --> 00:08:32,548 and I know I've got a real chance of winning 205 00:08:32,548 --> 00:08:36,635 he said, I start to shriek and my body shakes. 206 00:08:36,635 --> 00:08:39,456 And I think about my mom, 207 00:08:39,456 --> 00:08:41,706 she didn't raise a quitter. 208 00:08:44,753 --> 00:08:49,482 I had this sense of a guy who just wouldn't be beaten. 209 00:08:49,482 --> 00:08:52,870 Who through the force of his will and his personality, 210 00:08:52,870 --> 00:08:55,836 became almost somebody different. 211 00:08:55,836 --> 00:08:57,374 - [Announcer] There's Dekker on the floor again! 212 00:08:57,374 --> 00:08:59,609 And Lance Armstrong has sprinted the gap closed. 213 00:08:59,609 --> 00:09:01,002 Lance Armstrong, who has joined. 214 00:09:01,002 --> 00:09:05,006 Now he's looking back and seeing nobody 215 00:09:05,006 --> 00:09:07,093 as he become champion of the world. 216 00:09:07,093 --> 00:09:09,359 Lance Armstrong, 21 years of age, 217 00:09:09,359 --> 00:09:11,952 is America's second only World ever Road Race Champion, 218 00:09:11,952 --> 00:09:14,091 (applause) 219 00:09:14,091 --> 00:09:16,811 beating the greatest man of the moment in world cycling, 220 00:09:16,811 --> 00:09:17,980 Miguel Indurain. 221 00:09:17,980 --> 00:09:18,953 He raised a smile there, 222 00:09:18,953 --> 00:09:22,120 but I think Miguel, very disappointed. 223 00:09:24,183 --> 00:09:25,766 And could it be that we're watching the man 224 00:09:25,766 --> 00:09:29,077 who will replace the great Greg LeMond in the years ahead, 225 00:09:29,077 --> 00:09:30,744 Lance Armstrong now. 226 00:09:32,632 --> 00:09:35,465 (patriotic music) 227 00:09:37,773 --> 00:09:38,974 - [Announcer] Indurain goes now, 228 00:09:38,974 --> 00:09:41,501 in what to him will hopefully re-establish him 229 00:09:41,501 --> 00:09:43,214 as the best rider. 230 00:09:43,214 --> 00:09:44,483 - Through 1993, 231 00:09:44,483 --> 00:09:47,421 the races just increased, the speeds were so dramatic, 232 00:09:47,421 --> 00:09:49,305 it was night and day. 233 00:09:49,305 --> 00:09:52,223 - [Announcer] Armstrong is about to get caught Indurain. 234 00:09:52,223 --> 00:09:53,906 You can see Indurain will just fly by him, 235 00:09:53,906 --> 00:09:55,638 and it's gonna be very strange for Lance Armstrong. 236 00:09:55,638 --> 00:09:56,904 - One of the riders was told 237 00:09:56,904 --> 00:09:58,895 what was going on in the Spanish team. 238 00:09:58,895 --> 00:10:03,719 The rider just said, Pff, you guys have no chance. 239 00:10:03,719 --> 00:10:06,096 We're doing EPO, growth hormone, testosterone. 240 00:10:06,096 --> 00:10:07,386 You'll never make it. 241 00:10:07,386 --> 00:10:10,069 - [Announcer] He comes up to the line, one hour 50 and 58, 242 00:10:10,069 --> 00:10:11,902 two minutes precisely! 243 00:10:13,912 --> 00:10:15,820 - Well, the way that guy came by. 244 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:17,146 and that was probably part of the reason 245 00:10:17,146 --> 00:10:19,037 that I'm so wasted in the end 246 00:10:19,037 --> 00:10:20,490 because I tried to match his speed 247 00:10:20,490 --> 00:10:24,657 and he goes along the flats 55, 56, 57 K's an hour, 248 00:10:25,747 --> 00:10:26,747 I was 53.11. 249 00:10:27,843 --> 00:10:29,176 Getting dropped! 250 00:10:34,417 --> 00:10:36,674 - [Greg] We're talking about the speed of the peloton 251 00:10:36,674 --> 00:10:38,649 and this new drug EPO 252 00:10:38,649 --> 00:10:41,066 and talking about Dr Ferrari. 253 00:10:42,488 --> 00:10:45,239 - [Narrator] Lance would have known Ferrari by reputation. 254 00:10:45,239 --> 00:10:49,532 Now he wanted to meet the man and start working with him. 255 00:10:49,532 --> 00:10:50,570 - [Greg] Ferrari had a reputation 256 00:10:50,570 --> 00:10:51,818 of being the best in the business. 257 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:53,338 If you wanted to win races, win the Tour, 258 00:10:53,338 --> 00:10:56,995 you go see this guy and he's going to set you up. 259 00:10:56,995 --> 00:10:58,327 - As good as that reputation was, 260 00:10:58,327 --> 00:10:59,160 everybody knew that if you went 261 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,293 to see Ferrari, you were going to get doped. 262 00:11:02,293 --> 00:11:05,597 So Lance kept it a secret from everyone for a long time. 263 00:11:05,597 --> 00:11:06,824 - And Lance had the intelligence 264 00:11:06,824 --> 00:11:09,712 to see that Ferrari was special 265 00:11:09,712 --> 00:11:12,243 in terms of his understanding of physiology, 266 00:11:12,243 --> 00:11:15,906 and of the drugs and how they interacted. 267 00:11:15,906 --> 00:11:18,838 With his charisma and his natural intelligence, 268 00:11:18,838 --> 00:11:21,385 Lance was able to endear himself to Ferrari, 269 00:11:21,385 --> 00:11:25,790 become the Adam of what would be Ferrari's creation. 270 00:11:25,790 --> 00:11:27,928 You keep doing your job as Frankenstein 271 00:11:27,928 --> 00:11:32,408 and I'll be the best monster you've ever created. 272 00:11:32,408 --> 00:11:35,014 And Ferrari loved him for that. 273 00:11:35,014 --> 00:11:37,681 You know, the pupil from heaven. 274 00:11:39,626 --> 00:11:42,004 - The train just started rolling full blast, 275 00:11:42,004 --> 00:11:44,423 just like, it was just. 276 00:11:44,423 --> 00:11:46,840 reefing across the landscape. 277 00:11:48,963 --> 00:11:50,123 - [Announcer] It is, he's gone. Armstrong has gone, 278 00:11:50,123 --> 00:11:52,840 the sort of thing he did in the World Championship at Oslo. 279 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,977 Is this man on the start of his greatest ever season? 280 00:11:56,977 --> 00:11:58,820 Travelling at nearly 40 miles an hour, 281 00:11:58,820 --> 00:12:02,237 Armstrong showing enormous determination. 282 00:12:03,197 --> 00:12:05,043 - You couldn't develop a product 283 00:12:05,043 --> 00:12:07,152 more perfect for the ravages 284 00:12:07,152 --> 00:12:09,819 of endurance athletics than EPO. 285 00:12:10,837 --> 00:12:14,337 - [Announcer] Armstrong has done it today. 286 00:12:15,487 --> 00:12:17,318 - [Narrator] EPO was done in secret. 287 00:12:17,318 --> 00:12:19,102 You never knew what anybody else was doing. 288 00:12:19,102 --> 00:12:20,919 Even for the top, top guys, 289 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:22,461 they never knew what the other guy was doing, 290 00:12:22,461 --> 00:12:23,358 so everybody thought 291 00:12:23,358 --> 00:12:25,940 they had to do more in order to be able to win, 292 00:12:25,940 --> 00:12:27,107 or to keep up. 293 00:12:30,994 --> 00:12:33,091 - I was tired of getting beat up on, 294 00:12:33,091 --> 00:12:35,579 tired of getting dropped and watching fat sprinters get over 295 00:12:35,579 --> 00:12:37,538 category-one climbs and win. 296 00:12:37,538 --> 00:12:40,321 Getting thrown out the back of the group. 297 00:12:40,321 --> 00:12:41,540 I'm going to, I'm not going to. 298 00:12:41,540 --> 00:12:42,528 You know, sleepless nights, 299 00:12:42,528 --> 00:12:44,311 figuring out, and then. 300 00:12:44,311 --> 00:12:45,730 - You did a great job. 301 00:12:45,730 --> 00:12:48,563 - We're going, That's our Frankie! 302 00:12:49,759 --> 00:12:50,592 That's great. 303 00:12:50,592 --> 00:12:51,425 Congratulations. 304 00:12:51,425 --> 00:12:52,734 - Thanks a lot. 305 00:12:52,734 --> 00:12:57,164 - [Interviewer] Have you been enjoying the Tour de France? 306 00:12:57,164 --> 00:12:57,997 - No comment. 307 00:12:57,997 --> 00:13:00,558 Sure enough, eventually I cracked. 308 00:13:00,558 --> 00:13:04,655 Yeah, drove to Switzerland and pretty much just walked 309 00:13:04,655 --> 00:13:07,492 into a pharmacy, just like, could have bought chewing gum. 310 00:13:07,492 --> 00:13:08,435 It was that easy. 311 00:13:08,435 --> 00:13:10,100 - [Announcer] But then the punch-up started. 312 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:14,998 Lance Armstrong, number 61 for the Motorola Team. 313 00:13:14,998 --> 00:13:16,589 - When you're racing, you think you're invincible. 314 00:13:16,589 --> 00:13:18,313 You think you can do anything, nothing's going to stop you, 315 00:13:18,313 --> 00:13:22,480 nothing's going to harm you and then all of a sudden. 316 00:13:28,496 --> 00:13:29,649 - [Lance] From the beginning of the Tour, 317 00:13:29,649 --> 00:13:31,768 I knew that I was a step off, 318 00:13:31,768 --> 00:13:35,136 and a lot of times when your body is down like that, 319 00:13:35,136 --> 00:13:39,303 then a virus or any illness will move in and take over. 320 00:13:44,899 --> 00:13:49,066 - That evening the phone rings, and I hear Lance's neighbour 321 00:13:50,687 --> 00:13:52,292 on the other end, and he said Linda, 322 00:13:52,292 --> 00:13:53,449 I don't know any easy way 323 00:13:53,449 --> 00:13:57,616 to tell you this, but Lance has been diagnosed with cancer. 324 00:13:58,539 --> 00:14:02,706 It literally crushed every single piece of me on the inside. 325 00:14:06,734 --> 00:14:08,722 - On Wednesday October second, 326 00:14:08,722 --> 00:14:12,172 I was diagnosed with testicular cancer. 327 00:14:12,172 --> 00:14:13,540 Prior to seeing my doctor last week, 328 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:14,818 I'd been experiencing swelling 329 00:14:14,818 --> 00:14:16,557 and pain in one of my testicles, 330 00:14:16,557 --> 00:14:19,310 and I'd coughed up some blood. 331 00:14:19,310 --> 00:14:20,986 On Thursday October third, I underwent 332 00:14:20,986 --> 00:14:22,341 surgery at St David's hospital 333 00:14:22,341 --> 00:14:26,979 here in Austin, to have the malignant testicle removed. 334 00:14:26,979 --> 00:14:29,761 A CAT scan was also performed the same day. 335 00:14:29,761 --> 00:14:31,107 The CAT scan revealed that my condition 336 00:14:31,107 --> 00:14:33,357 has spread into my abdomen. 337 00:14:36,234 --> 00:14:39,548 - At the time, I think most people would have suggested, 338 00:14:39,548 --> 00:14:43,028 with the brain metastases and such, 339 00:14:43,028 --> 00:14:44,984 that at best you'd cure maybe 340 00:14:44,984 --> 00:14:47,001 one out of three of those people. 341 00:14:47,001 --> 00:14:51,618 - It was awful, and I thought how in the hell does a guy 342 00:14:51,618 --> 00:14:55,535 who's in such good shape, so young, get cancer? 343 00:14:58,595 --> 00:15:00,600 - The first impression I got, 344 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,678 which is the impression I get from a lot of people, 345 00:15:02,678 --> 00:15:04,757 is that he was scared. 346 00:15:04,757 --> 00:15:09,283 He was certainly looking at very primal aspects. 347 00:15:09,283 --> 00:15:11,422 You know, saving his life or not, 348 00:15:11,422 --> 00:15:14,537 and a lot of secondary consequences, his career, 349 00:15:14,537 --> 00:15:16,297 family, future kids. 350 00:15:16,297 --> 00:15:17,130 All that. 351 00:15:19,298 --> 00:15:22,724 - We wanted to go see Lance, and the time to see him 352 00:15:22,724 --> 00:15:25,421 was after his brain surgery, 353 00:15:25,421 --> 00:15:29,372 and so Frankie and I made the six-hour drive to Indiana. 354 00:15:29,372 --> 00:15:30,205 - [Frankie] And that was the first time 355 00:15:30,205 --> 00:15:33,137 I'd seen him since the announcement, 356 00:15:33,137 --> 00:15:35,105 and I remember seeing the big horseshoe scar 357 00:15:35,105 --> 00:15:37,022 on the top of his head. 358 00:15:38,292 --> 00:15:40,660 We went into the room and it was a football game, 359 00:15:40,660 --> 00:15:42,778 Dallas Cowboys football game was playing. 360 00:15:42,778 --> 00:15:44,177 So he was in there, 361 00:15:44,177 --> 00:15:46,402 his girlfriend at the time Lisa Shields was there, 362 00:15:46,402 --> 00:15:49,651 and Stephanie McIlvain, the rep from Oakley was there. 363 00:15:49,651 --> 00:15:53,324 Chris Carmichael, his coach, was there with Paige, I think. 364 00:15:53,324 --> 00:15:55,536 - [Betsy] And the doctors came in, 365 00:15:55,536 --> 00:15:57,717 and when the doctors came in. 366 00:15:57,717 --> 00:15:58,550 - They said, oh, you know, 367 00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:59,383 we need to ask you some questions. 368 00:15:59,383 --> 00:16:01,706 I said, We should leave, let him have his privacy. 369 00:16:01,706 --> 00:16:02,539 And Lance said, No, no, no. 370 00:16:02,539 --> 00:16:03,372 Don't worry about it. 371 00:16:03,372 --> 00:16:05,014 You guys can stay, no problem. 372 00:16:05,014 --> 00:16:06,307 And I said, OK, we'll stay. 373 00:16:06,307 --> 00:16:10,474 - They asked a few banal questions, and then one of them was 374 00:16:12,103 --> 00:16:15,420 Have you ever used any performance-enhancing drugs? 375 00:16:15,420 --> 00:16:17,729 And Lance, just nonchalantly holding 376 00:16:17,729 --> 00:16:19,909 on to his IV, staring down, 377 00:16:19,909 --> 00:16:22,415 rattled off, yeah, EPO, testosterone, 378 00:16:22,415 --> 00:16:25,745 growth hormone, cortisone and steroids. 379 00:16:25,745 --> 00:16:29,801 - And at that point my jaw was, like, holy shit, 380 00:16:29,801 --> 00:16:31,726 because Betsy's sitting right next to me. 381 00:16:31,726 --> 00:16:33,725 I don't know what the hell she's thinking. 382 00:16:33,725 --> 00:16:35,614 And I was like, We got to go. 383 00:16:35,614 --> 00:16:38,558 And we stood up and walked out of the room, right away. 384 00:16:38,558 --> 00:16:41,434 - I was furious, because I said to him, 385 00:16:41,434 --> 00:16:42,701 That's how Lance got his cancer, 386 00:16:42,701 --> 00:16:44,484 and if you're doing that, I'm not marrying you. 387 00:16:44,484 --> 00:16:46,950 We were just engaged six weeks earlier. 388 00:16:46,950 --> 00:16:49,871 - She was upset that he was taking that stuff. 389 00:16:49,871 --> 00:16:51,026 She was crazy, like, 390 00:16:51,026 --> 00:16:53,444 if I was taking that stuff, then if you're 391 00:16:53,444 --> 00:16:55,019 taking all that stuff, it obviously 392 00:16:55,019 --> 00:16:56,837 is going to affect your health. 393 00:16:56,837 --> 00:17:00,816 - Because I thought, Oh, my gosh, is this going on? 394 00:17:00,816 --> 00:17:02,633 Is everybody doing this? 395 00:17:02,633 --> 00:17:05,379 And Frankie swore to me no. 396 00:17:05,379 --> 00:17:07,961 - Had to do with trust, and is she going to marry me? 397 00:17:07,961 --> 00:17:11,406 So, you know, it was, yeah, you know, I think she even 398 00:17:11,406 --> 00:17:12,688 right there on the spot threatened, 399 00:17:12,688 --> 00:17:13,521 like, I'm not marrying you 400 00:17:13,521 --> 00:17:15,460 if you're doing all that stuff. 401 00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:19,377 - I was just ready to call the whole thing off. 402 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:25,500 - Before cancer, Lance had signed up 403 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:27,042 for the French Team Cofidis. 404 00:17:27,042 --> 00:17:30,654 It wasn't know if he would live or race bikes again. 405 00:17:30,654 --> 00:17:32,665 All of those things were not known. 406 00:17:32,665 --> 00:17:36,282 - I still have a ways to go on the bike. 407 00:17:36,282 --> 00:17:40,255 - Does it sound like some kind of miracle cure? 408 00:17:40,255 --> 00:17:41,472 - No, it's not a miracle. 409 00:17:41,472 --> 00:17:42,722 Everything was. 410 00:17:43,575 --> 00:17:45,116 The therapy was normal therapy. 411 00:17:45,116 --> 00:17:48,699 I had to do just as much as everybody else. 412 00:17:51,553 --> 00:17:52,986 - He made the decision to go 413 00:17:52,986 --> 00:17:55,047 because they were astonished to see him 414 00:17:55,047 --> 00:17:57,784 there, and then he decided he would carry on to Italy 415 00:17:57,784 --> 00:18:00,723 and see Michele Ferrari, for what would have been 416 00:18:00,723 --> 00:18:03,806 really just a friend-to-friend visit. 417 00:18:05,826 --> 00:18:07,251 That is extraordinary, 418 00:18:07,251 --> 00:18:09,092 because it indicated 419 00:18:09,092 --> 00:18:11,339 that in a relatively short time, 420 00:18:11,339 --> 00:18:14,211 he and Michele Ferrari had become very close, 421 00:18:14,211 --> 00:18:17,382 and it was also a visit to say, 422 00:18:17,382 --> 00:18:20,264 If I come back and I make a full recovery, 423 00:18:20,264 --> 00:18:21,304 I'm going to achieve 424 00:18:21,304 --> 00:18:25,252 everything I ever wanted to achieve, whatever it takes, 425 00:18:25,252 --> 00:18:27,835 and I want you working with me. 426 00:18:30,460 --> 00:18:32,526 - The American Mafia. 427 00:18:32,526 --> 00:18:34,502 - [Bob] Took him a long time to find a team 428 00:18:34,502 --> 00:18:37,136 and a structure that would make it worthwhile. 429 00:18:37,136 --> 00:18:39,471 - When I tried to come back, there was no interest. 430 00:18:39,471 --> 00:18:40,304 None. 431 00:18:44,088 --> 00:18:45,627 - [Bob] And then finally signed 432 00:18:45,627 --> 00:18:47,961 the deal with the US Postal Team. 433 00:18:47,961 --> 00:18:50,333 - I think that if I were to come back and to win, 434 00:18:50,333 --> 00:18:51,936 and to be successful, 435 00:18:51,936 --> 00:18:55,302 I would consider that a complete recovery, 436 00:18:55,302 --> 00:18:56,394 as an athlete. 437 00:18:56,394 --> 00:19:00,209 - As much as Lance wanted to win, Thom Weisel wanted to win, 438 00:19:00,209 --> 00:19:03,959 and he was the creator of the US Postal Team. 439 00:19:05,886 --> 00:19:08,037 People talk about Lance being 440 00:19:08,037 --> 00:19:11,452 this kind of ruthless alpha male leader. 441 00:19:11,452 --> 00:19:13,244 Tom Weisel was one of those. 442 00:19:13,244 --> 00:19:15,784 You know, a ruthless guy. 443 00:19:15,784 --> 00:19:19,844 Lance's first contract was for minimal wages. 444 00:19:19,844 --> 00:19:22,795 Weisel said, Go out there, win races, 445 00:19:22,795 --> 00:19:24,499 prove you're back competitive 446 00:19:24,499 --> 00:19:26,526 and I'll give you a huge bonus. 447 00:19:26,526 --> 00:19:30,693 - And he went after those bonuses like, tooth and nail. 448 00:19:36,027 --> 00:19:39,112 - Lance, that's 40 seconds on Masolini 449 00:19:39,112 --> 00:19:41,612 and one minute and 10 seconds. 450 00:19:45,716 --> 00:19:47,316 - [Frankie] On certain teams, you have riders 451 00:19:47,316 --> 00:19:49,209 that are acquaintances. 452 00:19:49,209 --> 00:19:51,125 - He was just smiling a minute ago! 453 00:19:51,125 --> 00:19:52,523 - Or co-workers. 454 00:19:52,523 --> 00:19:56,360 That '99 Tour Team, we were friends and good friends. 455 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:58,340 We were just, we were close. 456 00:19:58,340 --> 00:20:00,633 It was a close-knit group of riders. 457 00:20:00,633 --> 00:20:04,050 Hincapie, Livingston, Vande Velde, Lance, 458 00:20:05,309 --> 00:20:07,098 and we would do anything for each other. 459 00:20:07,098 --> 00:20:09,098 - I hate the French. 460 00:20:09,098 --> 00:20:10,376 Screw the French. 461 00:20:10,376 --> 00:20:11,596 - [Bob] Frankie was on that team, 462 00:20:11,596 --> 00:20:14,061 Tyler Hamilton was on that team. 463 00:20:14,061 --> 00:20:15,780 - When I got selected to do the team, 464 00:20:15,780 --> 00:20:16,730 I told my parents. 465 00:20:16,730 --> 00:20:17,590 I told them to come over 466 00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:20,162 because this is probably the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity 467 00:20:20,162 --> 00:20:22,829 to see me in the Tour de France. 468 00:20:24,444 --> 00:20:27,777 - Lance, Kristin, Frankie and I were driving 469 00:20:27,777 --> 00:20:31,007 from Milano to Sanremo, and Lance 470 00:20:31,007 --> 00:20:33,625 had to make a stop to see Ferrari, 471 00:20:33,625 --> 00:20:36,590 which was outside of Milano, 472 00:20:36,590 --> 00:20:40,090 in the parking lot of a hotel gas station. 473 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:44,727 In Ferrari's camper van. 474 00:20:44,727 --> 00:20:47,786 And I said, Why are you meeting him here? 475 00:20:47,786 --> 00:20:51,286 Isn't that odd, you meeting Ferrari, your doctor, here? 476 00:20:51,286 --> 00:20:55,701 He said, So the fucking journalists don't find out. 477 00:20:55,701 --> 00:20:58,667 And I said, Well, what's wrong, if the journalists find out? 478 00:20:58,667 --> 00:21:01,917 And he just looked at me and he glared. 479 00:21:03,145 --> 00:21:06,454 Kristin and I had to waste about an hour 480 00:21:06,454 --> 00:21:10,621 until Lance was done doing his tests with Ferrari. 481 00:21:12,416 --> 00:21:14,839 When he was finished, Lance was pretty excited, 482 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:17,672 and he said, My numbers are great. 483 00:21:19,247 --> 00:21:20,337 And then he got in the car, 484 00:21:20,337 --> 00:21:21,970 he looked through his rear view mirror, he looked at me 485 00:21:21,970 --> 00:21:24,761 and he said, Frankie could get results too, 486 00:21:24,761 --> 00:21:26,356 but he's too cheap. 487 00:21:26,356 --> 00:21:28,106 - He told me a bunch of times, that I needed to step up, 488 00:21:28,106 --> 00:21:30,296 and I should go see Ferrari. 489 00:21:30,296 --> 00:21:31,664 You know, there's no way. 490 00:21:31,664 --> 00:21:33,467 I just felt like if I was even linked 491 00:21:33,467 --> 00:21:35,235 as going to see Ferrari, 492 00:21:35,235 --> 00:21:38,485 that automatically meant I was a doper. 493 00:21:40,576 --> 00:21:43,085 - The danger about EPO and there in France was, you know, 494 00:21:43,085 --> 00:21:44,569 there was a big bust the year before. 495 00:21:44,569 --> 00:21:47,069 Riders and staff went to jail. 496 00:21:49,792 --> 00:21:51,340 - [Announcer] French police raided the hotel rooms 497 00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:53,001 of several leading riders 498 00:21:53,001 --> 00:21:56,110 and found stashes of performance-enhancing drugs. 499 00:21:56,110 --> 00:21:58,090 - [Announcer] Another leading rider 500 00:21:58,090 --> 00:21:59,000 was missing from the line-up, 501 00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,833 in police custody. 502 00:21:59,833 --> 00:22:02,365 - It was the year after the Festina affair, 503 00:22:02,365 --> 00:22:03,439 where a lot of drugs 504 00:22:03,439 --> 00:22:05,768 were caught within a team. 505 00:22:05,768 --> 00:22:08,448 The team couldn't risk taking it to the race. 506 00:22:08,448 --> 00:22:12,196 You know, we'd lose the sponsor right away. 507 00:22:12,196 --> 00:22:13,956 (upbeat music) 508 00:22:13,956 --> 00:22:18,123 To get EPO for the Tour de France, we came up with a plan. 509 00:22:19,269 --> 00:22:20,881 - [Announcer] Well after last year's sensational 510 00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:22,038 Tour de France who knows what we 511 00:22:22,038 --> 00:22:24,371 can expect this time around. 512 00:22:26,075 --> 00:22:27,508 Departure of the man everybody 513 00:22:27,508 --> 00:22:29,491 is talking about, Richard Virenque. 514 00:22:29,491 --> 00:22:31,491 Did you hear that cheer? 515 00:22:33,170 --> 00:22:35,781 - The plan had Motorman involved. 516 00:22:35,781 --> 00:22:37,614 Motorman was a French. 517 00:22:38,527 --> 00:22:41,022 He used to be a gardener/handyman 518 00:22:41,022 --> 00:22:42,591 for Lance Armstrong. 519 00:22:42,591 --> 00:22:44,501 He loved to ride motorcycles. 520 00:22:44,501 --> 00:22:46,633 - [Announcer] Back to Abraham Olano, 521 00:22:46,633 --> 00:22:49,636 I think probably the number one favorite now. 522 00:22:49,636 --> 00:22:51,198 - [Tyler] He would follow the race, 523 00:22:51,198 --> 00:22:52,136 always stay within probably 524 00:22:52,136 --> 00:22:54,985 a half-hour drive from our hotel. 525 00:22:54,985 --> 00:22:57,362 - [Announcer] The best finisher of a year ago, Bobby Julich. 526 00:22:57,362 --> 00:22:59,468 He's based everything on this month, the Tour de France, 527 00:22:59,468 --> 00:23:02,298 he wants to be the American winner. 528 00:23:02,298 --> 00:23:03,453 But the man doing great times 529 00:23:03,453 --> 00:23:05,371 out on the course, Phil, is Lance Armstrong. 530 00:23:05,371 --> 00:23:06,891 He hasn't been here for a couple of years 531 00:23:06,891 --> 00:23:08,066 because of his illness 532 00:23:08,066 --> 00:23:09,566 but he's back now. 533 00:23:11,069 --> 00:23:12,860 - [Tyler] Motor Man would basically 534 00:23:12,860 --> 00:23:14,260 just wait for a phone call. 535 00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:18,349 The EPO would arrive, you know, in the evening. 536 00:23:18,349 --> 00:23:19,583 - [Announcer] He's just about done. 537 00:23:19,583 --> 00:23:21,333 8.18, Chris Boardman. 538 00:23:22,728 --> 00:23:26,645 Eight minutes and 12 seconds for Abraham Olano. 539 00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:31,755 8.09, Zulle has rewritten the finishing order for now. 540 00:23:31,755 --> 00:23:33,032 And Armstrong coming up now, 541 00:23:33,032 --> 00:23:35,620 can he get off to a great start in the Tour de France? 542 00:23:35,620 --> 00:23:37,845 He is aiming at eight minutes and nine seconds, 543 00:23:37,845 --> 00:23:39,519 he's certainly ahead of Chris Boardman 544 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,608 at this point, my goodness me! 545 00:23:41,608 --> 00:23:43,691 8:02.51, Lance Armstrong, 546 00:23:44,624 --> 00:23:48,004 with that performance, I think may have done enough. 547 00:23:48,004 --> 00:23:50,254 (applause) 548 00:23:56,205 --> 00:24:00,372 - The team doctor, Garcia del Moral, he knew about it. 549 00:24:02,379 --> 00:24:04,796 Johan Bruyneel knew about it. 550 00:24:07,796 --> 00:24:10,006 You were right there in the heart of the Tour de France, 551 00:24:10,006 --> 00:24:10,839 you know? 552 00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:16,945 Thousands and thousands of people around the team camper. 553 00:24:16,945 --> 00:24:17,933 - All the way from Indianapolis! 554 00:24:17,933 --> 00:24:19,350 - No time, sorry. 555 00:24:20,701 --> 00:24:21,534 - I remember just trying to get 556 00:24:21,534 --> 00:24:23,613 rid of it as quickly as possible. 557 00:24:23,613 --> 00:24:27,212 You quickly just stuck it in, got rid of it. 558 00:24:27,212 --> 00:24:29,956 then it was quickly hidden away, 559 00:24:29,956 --> 00:24:32,456 typically in like, a Coke can. 560 00:24:33,706 --> 00:24:35,360 It was nerve-racking, 561 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,701 but yet, at the time, it was kind of exciting too, 562 00:24:37,701 --> 00:24:40,784 'cause you were being such a deviant. 563 00:24:41,854 --> 00:24:44,587 - [Narrator] Sestriere, the first big mountain day. 564 00:24:44,587 --> 00:24:46,124 - [Announcer] Destination's Sestriere, 565 00:24:46,124 --> 00:24:48,329 213 kilometers of distance. 566 00:24:48,329 --> 00:24:49,653 - [Frankie] We had a job to set up Lance, 567 00:24:49,653 --> 00:24:50,885 to keep him as fresh as possible 568 00:24:50,885 --> 00:24:52,117 till that final climb. 569 00:24:52,117 --> 00:24:54,440 - [Announcer] US Postal, where the pace-making up the climb 570 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,912 was done by Frankie Andreu. 571 00:24:55,912 --> 00:24:57,329 - We had to set the tempo, 572 00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:59,591 to be able to keep things together, 573 00:24:59,591 --> 00:25:02,679 and then riding on the front like a drag race, 574 00:25:02,679 --> 00:25:05,067 as hard as we could to the bottom of the climb, 575 00:25:05,067 --> 00:25:07,330 turn and then start riding as hard as I could, 576 00:25:07,330 --> 00:25:08,997 like a field sprint. 577 00:25:11,806 --> 00:25:15,179 - When I was watching the Tour on TV, 578 00:25:15,179 --> 00:25:17,767 I saw Frankie climbing, 579 00:25:17,767 --> 00:25:22,266 leading the pack up a mountain in Sestriere. 580 00:25:22,266 --> 00:25:23,772 He doesn't specialize in sprinting, 581 00:25:23,772 --> 00:25:26,523 he doesn't specialize in mountain climbing. 582 00:25:26,523 --> 00:25:29,134 He just specializes in being the worker bee, 583 00:25:29,134 --> 00:25:33,301 so when Frankie was actually pulling on Sestriere, 584 00:25:35,304 --> 00:25:37,471 it just didn't make sense. 585 00:25:38,313 --> 00:25:41,286 And so I called a friend of mine in Paris, 586 00:25:41,286 --> 00:25:44,153 and I said Are you seeing what I'm seeing? 587 00:25:44,153 --> 00:25:45,936 And she said, Yeah, isn't it great? 588 00:25:45,936 --> 00:25:47,496 Frankie's doing wonderful. 589 00:25:47,496 --> 00:25:48,509 He's doing so well. 590 00:25:48,509 --> 00:25:50,777 And I said, Wonderful, my ass. 591 00:25:50,777 --> 00:25:53,808 He's not a climber, he should not be pulling. 592 00:25:53,808 --> 00:25:57,915 - [Announcer] An attack there by Armstrong. 593 00:25:57,915 --> 00:25:59,555 Look at the acceleration of this 594 00:25:59,555 --> 00:26:01,554 as he chases down those motorbikes. 595 00:26:01,554 --> 00:26:04,007 Five and a half hours he's been pedaling today, 596 00:26:04,007 --> 00:26:06,338 marking everything, never looking distressed 597 00:26:06,338 --> 00:26:08,915 and now he's going to try and tear this race apart. 598 00:26:08,915 --> 00:26:10,046 - [Announcer] That was an unbelievable attack, 599 00:26:10,046 --> 00:26:11,414 he took a lot of risk to go up 600 00:26:11,414 --> 00:26:12,360 through the inside there. 601 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:13,630 There was hardly any room at all. 602 00:26:13,630 --> 00:26:16,051 Armstrong is so comfortable, he jumped across that gap. 603 00:26:16,051 --> 00:26:17,861 That gap was up to 30 seconds. 604 00:26:17,861 --> 00:26:19,440 - We're watching the Sestriere stage, 605 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,759 and it was shocking. 606 00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:21,758 It was like, Oh, my God, 607 00:26:21,758 --> 00:26:25,047 he's dropping riders, dropping climbers. 608 00:26:25,047 --> 00:26:26,409 - [Announcer] This man has managed to come back 609 00:26:26,409 --> 00:26:28,334 from the face of death. 610 00:26:28,334 --> 00:26:31,077 - One of the mechanics was right next to me, 611 00:26:31,077 --> 00:26:33,349 and he said, Il est sur le jus. 612 00:26:33,349 --> 00:26:34,649 - [Announcer] And Armstrong is ripping the legs off 613 00:26:34,649 --> 00:26:35,872 this climber right now. 614 00:26:35,872 --> 00:26:37,240 - Il est sur le jus. 615 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,657 Like, he's on the juice. 616 00:26:39,657 --> 00:26:41,082 And I'm like, What? 617 00:26:41,082 --> 00:26:42,529 He said, He's on the juice. 618 00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:44,334 - [Announcer] He is going faster and faster, 619 00:26:44,334 --> 00:26:46,270 and he is going to win this. 620 00:26:46,270 --> 00:26:47,796 - I said, How do you know? 621 00:26:47,796 --> 00:26:50,042 He said, Look at his eyes, his breathing. 622 00:26:50,042 --> 00:26:51,792 There's no suffering. 623 00:26:55,968 --> 00:26:57,218 - [Narrator] It's almost like whatever they're doing, 624 00:26:57,218 --> 00:26:59,364 they got so much oxygen, 625 00:26:59,364 --> 00:27:02,614 it's like they're not feeling the pain. 626 00:27:08,752 --> 00:27:10,541 - [Narrator] He's talking on his radio, 627 00:27:10,541 --> 00:27:13,041 his phone, and it was surreal. 628 00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:18,897 - [Announcer] And the rain starts again as 629 00:27:18,897 --> 00:27:21,228 Lance Armstrong conquers Sestriere now. 630 00:27:21,228 --> 00:27:22,798 He heads up towards the line. 631 00:27:22,798 --> 00:27:26,349 Now he's ridden fast and dropped his rivals, mano-a-mano. 632 00:27:26,349 --> 00:27:28,162 This will be some victory salute. 633 00:27:28,162 --> 00:27:30,564 It will be a while before we know if it is as the winner 634 00:27:30,564 --> 00:27:31,827 of the Tour de France, 635 00:27:31,827 --> 00:27:33,147 but there are few people in this race now 636 00:27:33,147 --> 00:27:34,700 will doubt that. 637 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,768 Lance Armstrong comes across the line 638 00:27:36,768 --> 00:27:40,935 winner today of the mountain stage of the Tour de France. 639 00:27:44,803 --> 00:27:47,803 He is really ripping the race apart. 640 00:27:54,944 --> 00:27:56,320 - And so that night after the race 641 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,989 I called Frankie, and I said, 642 00:27:57,989 --> 00:28:00,156 What in the hell was that? 643 00:28:01,062 --> 00:28:02,766 And he said, What was what? 644 00:28:02,766 --> 00:28:03,599 What are you doing? 645 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:04,432 What are you taking? 646 00:28:04,432 --> 00:28:05,730 I don't believe you. 647 00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:07,147 This is bullshit. 648 00:28:08,892 --> 00:28:12,262 - There are a lot of secrets, lot of secrets, lot of. 649 00:28:12,262 --> 00:28:14,936 It was almost like I was in this just bizarre movie, 650 00:28:14,936 --> 00:28:18,037 some sort of wild western movie. 651 00:28:18,037 --> 00:28:19,119 - [Announcer] Lance Armstrong, 652 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,615 le maillot jaune, soupconne de Dopage. 653 00:28:21,615 --> 00:28:24,948 - [Tyler] But something didn't go right. 654 00:28:27,204 --> 00:28:29,879 - [Narrator] It was the UCI really who alerted us. 655 00:28:29,879 --> 00:28:31,196 - [Announcer] En matiere de Dopage, 656 00:28:31,196 --> 00:28:33,314 Lance Armstrong n'a rien a cacher. 657 00:28:33,314 --> 00:28:35,515 - [Narrator] After winning the prologue, you're tested. 658 00:28:35,515 --> 00:28:37,188 But then everybody saw you speaking to the Italians 659 00:28:37,188 --> 00:28:38,770 so is it just an English language ban? 660 00:28:38,770 --> 00:28:39,905 - When Lance was tested for that, 661 00:28:39,905 --> 00:28:41,345 when the results came back, 662 00:28:41,345 --> 00:28:46,096 he had high levels of corticosteroids in his system. 663 00:28:46,096 --> 00:28:48,447 - Cortisone definitely worked. 664 00:28:48,447 --> 00:28:49,621 You know, you could push through 665 00:28:49,621 --> 00:28:51,669 to a whole 'nother level on it, 666 00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:55,137 so over the years, I myself took cortisone many times 667 00:28:55,137 --> 00:28:58,912 not for injuries, but for performance enhancement. 668 00:28:58,912 --> 00:28:59,854 - [Announcer] Now you're going to speak? 669 00:28:59,854 --> 00:29:00,735 - Actually, we were looking for you in there. 670 00:29:00,735 --> 00:29:01,568 - [Announcer] You were? 671 00:29:01,568 --> 00:29:02,401 OK. 672 00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:05,315 - [Emma] Lance had asked us to pick up something 673 00:29:05,315 --> 00:29:07,674 from the Spanish doctor in Spain. 674 00:29:07,674 --> 00:29:10,278 - What these people need to remember is that I was 675 00:29:10,278 --> 00:29:13,678 the World Champion in 1993 when nobody had heard of drugs. 676 00:29:13,678 --> 00:29:16,747 - [Emma] So I went down to Spain, picked up the product. 677 00:29:16,747 --> 00:29:18,379 That was cloak and dagger. 678 00:29:18,379 --> 00:29:20,392 - Nobody had heard of EPO. 679 00:29:20,392 --> 00:29:22,748 - [Emma] Johan, he just kind of passed it 680 00:29:22,748 --> 00:29:23,880 as he's walking by, he just passed 681 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,876 it into my hand and said, Lovely day. 682 00:29:25,876 --> 00:29:27,873 Just to make sure I had it. 683 00:29:27,873 --> 00:29:28,706 - I've proven my class. 684 00:29:28,706 --> 00:29:30,977 I've shown my class, from day one. 685 00:29:30,977 --> 00:29:32,252 - Then we were getting back up 686 00:29:32,252 --> 00:29:34,232 to the border to go into France, 687 00:29:34,232 --> 00:29:36,343 there's never a queue at this border. 688 00:29:36,343 --> 00:29:37,971 - There's no secrets here. 689 00:29:37,971 --> 00:29:39,528 - There was a queue. 690 00:29:39,528 --> 00:29:42,164 I'd seen what happened after the Festina affair 691 00:29:42,164 --> 00:29:43,784 and I thought, Oh, God, 692 00:29:43,784 --> 00:29:45,660 I could be one of these that got picked up 693 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:50,056 last year in the Tour, and I must have aged about ten years. 694 00:29:50,056 --> 00:29:52,735 - We have the oldest secret in the book, hard work. 695 00:29:52,735 --> 00:29:54,782 - So, but luckily enough, we didn't get stopped. 696 00:29:54,782 --> 00:29:58,183 Came back to France and gave Lance the little bottle 697 00:29:58,183 --> 00:30:01,683 in the car park of McDonalds and Frasiers. 698 00:30:04,982 --> 00:30:07,133 We needed to come up with a proper plan 699 00:30:07,133 --> 00:30:08,888 that we're on the same page. 700 00:30:08,888 --> 00:30:11,276 So while I'm giving Lance his massage, 701 00:30:11,276 --> 00:30:13,794 the others from the team came in. 702 00:30:13,794 --> 00:30:15,875 The problem that had to be sorted was that Lance 703 00:30:15,875 --> 00:30:20,167 didn't have a prescription for corticosteroids, 704 00:30:20,167 --> 00:30:21,692 so the idea was then that the doctor 705 00:30:21,692 --> 00:30:23,420 would write a prescription for that, 706 00:30:23,420 --> 00:30:25,594 but backdate it to pre the prologue, 707 00:30:25,594 --> 00:30:27,313 and just pretend it was a cream 708 00:30:27,313 --> 00:30:29,692 that Lance was taking for saddle sores. 709 00:30:29,692 --> 00:30:33,362 - Well we now know that Tom Weisel and Mark Gorski, 710 00:30:33,362 --> 00:30:35,573 the team manager were in that room, 711 00:30:35,573 --> 00:30:39,740 and I have no doubt that they were part of that cover up. 712 00:30:41,152 --> 00:30:41,985 - And then if you kind of come 713 00:30:41,985 --> 00:30:44,211 to the end of the whole conversation 714 00:30:44,211 --> 00:30:46,388 about steroids, Lance just goes, 715 00:30:46,388 --> 00:30:48,975 Oh, well, now you know enough to bring me down. 716 00:30:48,975 --> 00:30:50,408 The next day was the press conference, 717 00:30:50,408 --> 00:30:52,691 and everything could just blow up in everybody's faces. 718 00:30:52,691 --> 00:30:53,705 - To think I'm going to come back into sport 719 00:30:53,705 --> 00:30:54,538 and risk my life 720 00:30:54,538 --> 00:30:56,423 with performance-enhancing drugs is crazy. 721 00:30:56,423 --> 00:30:58,184 When I tried to come back to the sport, 722 00:30:58,184 --> 00:30:59,761 nobody gave me a chance. 723 00:30:59,761 --> 00:31:01,094 Nobody gave me a chance. 724 00:31:01,094 --> 00:31:03,439 So he must be doing something, so it's the same mentality. 725 00:31:03,439 --> 00:31:05,001 It's the same mentality, 726 00:31:05,001 --> 00:31:06,463 it's consistent through and through. 727 00:31:06,463 --> 00:31:08,567 - Tonight, he has some very high-level help 728 00:31:08,567 --> 00:31:10,784 because the UCI, the world governing body of cycling, 729 00:31:10,784 --> 00:31:12,779 have just released this press communique. 730 00:31:12,779 --> 00:31:15,634 They confirm basically that the rider used an ointment, 731 00:31:15,634 --> 00:31:17,017 and they give the brand name, 732 00:31:17,017 --> 00:31:19,549 and that he also offered them a medical prescription 733 00:31:19,549 --> 00:31:21,666 before his test. 734 00:31:21,666 --> 00:31:24,335 - [Announcer] He comes up to the line, 16 seconds, 15, 14, 735 00:31:24,335 --> 00:31:26,474 it is getting desperately close here. 736 00:31:26,474 --> 00:31:28,235 Zulle versus Armstrong, 737 00:31:28,235 --> 00:31:29,840 and Zulle loses! 738 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,345 Armstrong is the winner, 739 00:31:31,345 --> 00:31:34,947 he has achieved yet another page in this fairy story 740 00:31:34,947 --> 00:31:36,447 that just goes on. 741 00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:40,952 - I'm so proud of my son, always have been, 742 00:31:40,952 --> 00:31:45,442 and the fact that we overcame cancer, and we're here today, 743 00:31:45,442 --> 00:31:47,011 in the yellow jersey. 744 00:31:47,011 --> 00:31:48,459 - [Announcer] And when you see him tomorrow 745 00:31:48,459 --> 00:31:51,512 in the yellow jersey on the Champs-Elysees? 746 00:31:51,512 --> 00:31:53,679 - A picture without words. 747 00:32:01,786 --> 00:32:02,990 - [Announcer] The winner of the Tour de France, 748 00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:04,374 in a big field, 749 00:32:04,374 --> 00:32:06,534 is the American Lance Armstrong, 750 00:32:06,534 --> 00:32:08,390 and what a ride that has been. 751 00:32:08,390 --> 00:32:10,187 It will be remembered in the millennium 752 00:32:10,187 --> 00:32:13,094 as one of the finest sporting achievements in the history 753 00:32:13,094 --> 00:32:16,011 of not just cycling, but any sport. 754 00:32:17,712 --> 00:32:18,953 - [Announcer] Back in his home state of Texas, 755 00:32:18,953 --> 00:32:21,209 they are celebrating a hero. 756 00:32:21,209 --> 00:32:23,591 - The most fantastic feeling, we're just so proud of him 757 00:32:23,591 --> 00:32:25,646 and this whole team, they just. 758 00:32:25,646 --> 00:32:26,798 It's absolutely incredible and we're 759 00:32:26,798 --> 00:32:28,743 so excited to celebrate tonight 760 00:32:28,743 --> 00:32:30,255 all of us! 761 00:32:30,255 --> 00:32:33,959 - We were talking about how our lives were going to change, 762 00:32:33,959 --> 00:32:36,764 and so I asked the question, 763 00:32:36,764 --> 00:32:40,181 So, what do you think about EPO, Kristin? 764 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,462 Oh, it's a necessary evil. 765 00:32:43,462 --> 00:32:45,629 And I thought, Oh, my God, 766 00:32:46,958 --> 00:32:48,953 she doesn't care. 767 00:32:48,953 --> 00:32:50,786 She just doesn't care. 768 00:32:53,185 --> 00:32:55,124 - [Narrator] Smile, say cheese! 769 00:32:55,124 --> 00:32:56,339 - Howdy! 770 00:32:56,339 --> 00:32:57,960 - Congratulations, friend, on behalf 771 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,356 of all of us in Texas and America, 772 00:33:00,356 --> 00:33:01,781 we're so proud of you. 773 00:33:01,781 --> 00:33:03,538 - He went up and he went up. 774 00:33:03,538 --> 00:33:05,371 Lance is on the wheel. 775 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:08,731 - [Lance] There's Tyler. 776 00:33:08,731 --> 00:33:11,092 Take it easy on camera. 777 00:33:11,092 --> 00:33:11,925 Luis! 778 00:33:11,925 --> 00:33:12,758 - How are you? 779 00:33:12,758 --> 00:33:13,754 Are you tired today? 780 00:33:13,754 --> 00:33:14,919 - [Lance] No. 781 00:33:14,919 --> 00:33:15,752 - Be well. 782 00:33:16,907 --> 00:33:19,884 - [Lance] Carmichael and Stapleton, unbelievable. 783 00:33:19,884 --> 00:33:21,779 They're so serious. 784 00:33:21,779 --> 00:33:25,268 The man, the myth, Johan Bruyneel. 785 00:33:25,268 --> 00:33:26,589 Say hello to my family. 786 00:33:26,589 --> 00:33:27,672 - Hi, family! 787 00:33:29,164 --> 00:33:30,343 - [Announcer] In Texas, all eyes were on 788 00:33:30,343 --> 00:33:33,235 American Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong. 789 00:33:33,235 --> 00:33:35,717 A parade was held yesterday in his honor in Austin, 790 00:33:35,717 --> 00:33:37,514 Armstrong's adopted hometown. 791 00:33:37,514 --> 00:33:41,681 Many people wore yellow, the colour of the winner's jersey. 792 00:33:44,851 --> 00:33:47,157 (stock market bell) 793 00:33:47,157 --> 00:33:49,486 - [Announcer] Proclaim July 29 in the city of New York as 794 00:33:49,486 --> 00:33:51,153 Lance Armstrong Day. 795 00:33:52,047 --> 00:33:53,324 (cheering) 796 00:33:53,324 --> 00:33:56,297 - [Announcer] Cycling's biggest prize, the Tour de France, 797 00:33:56,297 --> 00:33:59,346 the first American winner to lead an American team, 798 00:33:59,346 --> 00:34:01,596 and in record time at that. 799 00:34:04,952 --> 00:34:07,247 - Nobody believed in us, nobody believed that 800 00:34:07,247 --> 00:34:09,648 if Lance Armstrong took the yellow jersey, 801 00:34:09,648 --> 00:34:10,824 with the help of his team, 802 00:34:10,824 --> 00:34:13,405 on stage eight, how could they keep it to stage 22? 803 00:34:13,405 --> 00:34:15,104 They thought the team would crack. 804 00:34:15,104 --> 00:34:17,565 But that team of seven out of nine guys being American, 805 00:34:17,565 --> 00:34:19,739 an American team, an American sponsor, 806 00:34:19,739 --> 00:34:21,579 they were the strongest team in the race. 807 00:34:21,579 --> 00:34:24,750 And everybody in Paris knew that. 808 00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:27,446 And I can assure you that next year's Tour de France, 809 00:34:27,446 --> 00:34:30,946 there will be no, there'll be no doubters. 810 00:34:36,605 --> 00:34:37,581 - [Announcer] Welcome to Futuroscope 811 00:34:37,581 --> 00:34:39,173 on the outskirts of Poitiers, 812 00:34:39,173 --> 00:34:42,406 and to the 87th running of the Tour de France. 813 00:34:42,406 --> 00:34:43,445 All of a sudden they're talking 814 00:34:43,445 --> 00:34:46,137 about this EPO test coming out. 815 00:34:46,137 --> 00:34:49,342 - [Announcer] Le mouvement cycliste est d'accord 816 00:34:49,342 --> 00:34:50,175 de faire. 817 00:34:53,294 --> 00:34:54,961 - We didn't know exactly when it was coming out, 818 00:34:54,961 --> 00:34:58,628 but no longer could you feel 100% safe. 819 00:35:00,689 --> 00:35:02,758 You take a shot of EPO, you know, 820 00:35:02,758 --> 00:35:05,059 you can get tested the next day or the day after that. 821 00:35:05,059 --> 00:35:09,226 We weren't 100% sure we were going to test negative. 822 00:35:10,717 --> 00:35:14,217 So that's when we did a blood transfusion. 823 00:35:16,851 --> 00:35:18,750 - [Announcer] Who was organizing all of that? 824 00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:22,917 - Lance and Johan Bruyneel, and the doctor, del Moral, 825 00:35:24,711 --> 00:35:27,014 had told me a couple of days 826 00:35:27,014 --> 00:35:30,014 before we made a trip down to Spain. 827 00:35:31,556 --> 00:35:33,781 You know, my first time doing it. 828 00:35:33,781 --> 00:35:37,535 And it seemed kind of, sort of caveman-like. 829 00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:39,588 You know, taking out your own blood, 830 00:35:39,588 --> 00:35:42,755 not seeing it for three or four weeks. 831 00:35:46,377 --> 00:35:47,793 - [Announcer] Weather conditions out here 832 00:35:47,793 --> 00:35:49,329 really have been atrocious. 833 00:35:49,329 --> 00:35:52,263 It's only around about six or seven degrees Celsius. 834 00:35:52,263 --> 00:35:54,906 - The night before our first rest day, 835 00:35:54,906 --> 00:35:56,818 we were in this small hotel, 836 00:35:56,818 --> 00:35:59,899 just south of Mont Ventoux, 837 00:35:59,899 --> 00:36:02,051 which is a famous climb in France. 838 00:36:02,051 --> 00:36:03,668 20 minutes before it actually happened, 839 00:36:03,668 --> 00:36:07,522 they told me, We're doing the transfusion. 840 00:36:07,522 --> 00:36:09,939 Re-infuse the blood, tonight. 841 00:36:14,582 --> 00:36:17,458 I arrived in my room and it was pretty wild. 842 00:36:17,458 --> 00:36:21,934 The staff had sort of prepared everything, the doctors. 843 00:36:21,934 --> 00:36:24,709 There was a blood bag taped up on the wall. 844 00:36:24,709 --> 00:36:26,327 You know, a red tube coming down, 845 00:36:26,327 --> 00:36:28,814 a tube filled with blood coming down. 846 00:36:28,814 --> 00:36:32,481 Basically, they, you know, injected me here. 847 00:36:34,164 --> 00:36:35,218 I have pretty small veins, 848 00:36:35,218 --> 00:36:39,497 so the one place that always worked was right there. 849 00:36:39,497 --> 00:36:42,769 And it's, you can see the scars today. 850 00:36:42,769 --> 00:36:43,875 It was a big needle. 851 00:36:43,875 --> 00:36:45,366 It's a serious needle. 852 00:36:45,366 --> 00:36:48,923 You don't mess around with those things. 853 00:36:48,923 --> 00:36:51,641 Halfway through it, I'm like, almost shivering, 854 00:36:51,641 --> 00:36:52,923 because, you know, these bags have been, 855 00:36:52,923 --> 00:36:55,180 you know, in a refrigerator. 856 00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:56,248 So they're almost like, you know, 857 00:36:56,248 --> 00:36:57,675 just taking icy cold water, 858 00:36:57,675 --> 00:37:01,842 nearly a gallon of it, and pouring it down your throat. 859 00:37:03,286 --> 00:37:05,027 - [Frankie] I never did, you know, blood transfusions, 860 00:37:05,027 --> 00:37:07,871 growth hormone, whatever. 861 00:37:07,871 --> 00:37:11,946 I wasn't willing to get into a full doping program. 862 00:37:11,946 --> 00:37:14,586 Betsy was upset, so that was definitely on my mind. 863 00:37:14,586 --> 00:37:18,503 A little bit of being scared of getting caught. 864 00:37:19,971 --> 00:37:20,804 - [Announcer] Here is the Devil, 865 00:37:20,804 --> 00:37:24,201 probably wishing some luck to the US Postal riders today. 866 00:37:24,201 --> 00:37:26,163 - [Tyler] I think we were all pretty nervous, 867 00:37:26,163 --> 00:37:28,412 but almost giddy about it. 868 00:37:28,412 --> 00:37:29,551 We're in the heart of France 869 00:37:29,551 --> 00:37:32,825 doing this completely illegal procedure. 870 00:37:32,825 --> 00:37:35,064 - [Announcer] US Postal were pace-making by Frankie Andreu, 871 00:37:35,064 --> 00:37:36,897 but he paid the price. 872 00:37:38,492 --> 00:37:39,980 - I remember, the third week I was dead. 873 00:37:39,980 --> 00:37:44,028 I mean, barely able to get through it, and just, you know, 874 00:37:44,028 --> 00:37:45,031 it's not an option to quit. 875 00:37:45,031 --> 00:37:46,252 That's the only reason I got through it, 876 00:37:46,252 --> 00:37:47,649 but I was getting dropped and in the back, 877 00:37:47,649 --> 00:37:49,816 and I was suffering a lot. 878 00:37:50,852 --> 00:37:52,584 - [Announcer] I think he'll just about get in 879 00:37:52,584 --> 00:37:55,630 but he's aiming at the time of 15.27. 880 00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:58,287 We're watching probably the second-fastest time trial 881 00:37:58,287 --> 00:38:00,007 in the history of the Tour de France. 882 00:38:00,007 --> 00:38:01,509 - I had done a lot to help Lance Armstrong, 883 00:38:01,509 --> 00:38:02,836 I had done a lot to help the team, 884 00:38:02,836 --> 00:38:04,676 and I just wanted to race one more year, 885 00:38:04,676 --> 00:38:06,702 but they had different thoughts. 886 00:38:06,702 --> 00:38:08,142 - [Announcer] Armstrong rocks and rolls 887 00:38:08,142 --> 00:38:09,672 his way home here now. 888 00:38:09,672 --> 00:38:13,172 His time is 15.01, he wins the time trial. 889 00:38:14,359 --> 00:38:15,456 - Fantastic. 890 00:38:15,456 --> 00:38:16,861 I will definitely come back. 891 00:38:16,861 --> 00:38:18,194 I will definitely be back next year. 892 00:38:18,194 --> 00:38:19,178 I don't know how many more years, 893 00:38:19,178 --> 00:38:21,105 but definitely be back next year. 894 00:38:21,105 --> 00:38:25,001 - [Betsy] He finished 111th, but on Lance's team, 895 00:38:25,001 --> 00:38:29,168 it doesn't pay to finish 111th when you're at the Tour. 896 00:38:30,457 --> 00:38:33,292 - I would say, Johan, thanks for giving us the vision, 897 00:38:33,292 --> 00:38:36,125 but we already had the vision, so. 898 00:38:37,121 --> 00:38:39,371 (cheering) 899 00:38:41,153 --> 00:38:42,125 - Here we are at this Tour de France 900 00:38:42,125 --> 00:38:44,316 party with hundreds of people 901 00:38:44,316 --> 00:38:48,787 and everybody is celebrating the cancer survivor's 902 00:38:48,787 --> 00:38:50,721 incredible win at the most grueling 903 00:38:50,721 --> 00:38:51,996 sporting event in the world. 904 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:54,258 What wasn't there to celebrate? 905 00:38:54,258 --> 00:38:55,508 It was a fraud. 906 00:38:56,804 --> 00:38:58,054 It was a fraud. 907 00:39:00,219 --> 00:39:02,469 (cheering) 908 00:39:09,285 --> 00:39:11,711 Stephanie McIlvain wasn't invited 909 00:39:11,711 --> 00:39:12,863 to the Tour De France party, 910 00:39:12,863 --> 00:39:14,869 which we found very peculiar 911 00:39:14,869 --> 00:39:17,487 given that she was Lance's personal liaison, 912 00:39:17,487 --> 00:39:19,738 so she went as our guest 913 00:39:19,738 --> 00:39:23,924 and we clicked and a friendship was born. 914 00:39:23,924 --> 00:39:28,254 Stephanie had been there with us visiting Lance in Indiana, 915 00:39:28,254 --> 00:39:30,843 and the hospital incident came up, 916 00:39:30,843 --> 00:39:34,661 and Stephanie and I were marveling at how 917 00:39:34,661 --> 00:39:38,078 Lance was snowballing the American media, 918 00:39:39,003 --> 00:39:43,170 because they were just buying into this fairy tale. 919 00:39:47,433 --> 00:39:50,236 - It seemed like it worked, seemed like it worked. 920 00:39:50,236 --> 00:39:53,389 Now, looking back, Oh, my God, what was I doing? 921 00:39:53,389 --> 00:39:55,700 But you're so deep into it, 922 00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:58,339 you know, you don't even have time 923 00:39:58,339 --> 00:40:03,191 to take a half step back and look at the big picture. 924 00:40:03,191 --> 00:40:04,901 - I think if we all stepped back 925 00:40:04,901 --> 00:40:08,403 and looked at the great franchises that have been built. 926 00:40:08,403 --> 00:40:10,045 - I'm glad we didn't get caught. 927 00:40:10,045 --> 00:40:12,369 I would have been. 928 00:40:12,369 --> 00:40:14,648 We all would have been. 929 00:40:14,648 --> 00:40:17,315 (intense music) 930 00:40:23,243 --> 00:40:24,555 - [Frankie] It became very divided. 931 00:40:24,555 --> 00:40:26,775 You were on Lance's side or you were on my side. 932 00:40:26,775 --> 00:40:28,904 And ultimately, you know, he had control of who was hired, 933 00:40:28,904 --> 00:40:30,654 fired, and whichever. 934 00:40:34,188 --> 00:40:36,462 - Frankie was a good guy. 935 00:40:36,462 --> 00:40:37,624 To have your career end 936 00:40:37,624 --> 00:40:40,917 because you wouldn't get on Lance's doping program? 937 00:40:40,917 --> 00:40:43,055 It's just, it's not right. 938 00:40:43,055 --> 00:40:45,279 - [Announcer] Please welcome 1999's ESPY 939 00:40:45,279 --> 00:40:48,175 comeback athlete of the year. 940 00:40:48,175 --> 00:40:49,282 - We're all in this together, 941 00:40:49,282 --> 00:40:51,194 it's going to touch all our lives. 942 00:40:51,194 --> 00:40:53,148 We will win this fight one day. 943 00:40:53,148 --> 00:40:54,146 (upbeat music) 944 00:40:54,146 --> 00:40:55,825 - Lance called me one day 945 00:40:55,825 --> 00:40:57,808 and said, We're putting together this foundation, 946 00:40:57,808 --> 00:40:59,137 Lance Armstrong foundation. 947 00:40:59,137 --> 00:41:02,637 We're going to focus on testicular cancer. 948 00:41:04,756 --> 00:41:06,118 - Tour de France, baby. 949 00:41:06,118 --> 00:41:07,195 Lance Armstrong. 950 00:41:07,195 --> 00:41:08,362 Maillot jaune. 951 00:41:11,846 --> 00:41:14,900 - Thank you, Lance, thank you! 952 00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:16,284 I love you! 953 00:41:16,284 --> 00:41:18,725 - People believed in Lance. 954 00:41:18,725 --> 00:41:19,940 They believed in his story, 955 00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:21,862 they believed in his hope. 956 00:41:21,862 --> 00:41:23,366 - We're all going to leave, I think, 957 00:41:23,366 --> 00:41:25,238 with a different perspective on this illness, 958 00:41:25,238 --> 00:41:26,319 and a different perspective 959 00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:28,479 on this movement called survivor ship. 960 00:41:28,479 --> 00:41:30,234 - I tip my hat to Lance Armstrong 961 00:41:30,234 --> 00:41:32,901 and to the whole US Postal Team. 962 00:41:37,405 --> 00:41:42,051 - The success of the foundation began to grow and succeed, 963 00:41:42,051 --> 00:41:46,204 literally in tandem with Lance's success 964 00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:47,931 Tour after Tour after Tour. 965 00:41:47,931 --> 00:41:49,989 - 15,000 dollars. 966 00:41:49,989 --> 00:41:51,287 Can we go 20? 967 00:41:51,287 --> 00:41:53,037 Sold, 30,000 dollars. 968 00:41:54,174 --> 00:41:57,033 - They approached me about exploring 969 00:41:57,033 --> 00:41:59,044 the possibility of coming down 970 00:41:59,044 --> 00:42:00,819 and running the foundation. 971 00:42:00,819 --> 00:42:02,294 - Sold, 56,000 dollars. 972 00:42:02,294 --> 00:42:05,555 - My motivation, my primary motivation, 973 00:42:05,555 --> 00:42:07,555 in taking that position, 974 00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:10,410 was the fact that I had, 975 00:42:12,726 --> 00:42:14,976 a very personal experience. 976 00:42:16,619 --> 00:42:19,314 I had been diagnosed with cancer. 977 00:42:19,314 --> 00:42:21,953 - We believe in life, your life. 978 00:42:21,953 --> 00:42:25,834 - [Steve] Greg LeMond was my friend, and I called him. 979 00:42:25,834 --> 00:42:27,146 - And I begged him. 980 00:42:27,146 --> 00:42:29,748 I said, Steve, you won't make it. 981 00:42:29,748 --> 00:42:31,517 I said, You are way too ethical. 982 00:42:31,517 --> 00:42:35,036 I'm just telling you, don't do it. 983 00:42:35,036 --> 00:42:37,703 - But I needed to talk to Lance. 984 00:42:39,101 --> 00:42:41,351 We met at a bar and I said, 985 00:42:43,356 --> 00:42:46,579 is there anything that might happen 986 00:42:46,579 --> 00:42:48,912 that would negatively impact 987 00:42:50,063 --> 00:42:54,179 the work of the foundation and me professionally? 988 00:42:54,179 --> 00:42:58,262 And he put his beer down and looked me in the eye 989 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,488 and said, Steve, you have nothing to worry about. 990 00:43:02,488 --> 00:43:04,231 We're going to have a good ride on this. 991 00:43:04,231 --> 00:43:06,398 This is going to be great. 992 00:43:09,117 --> 00:43:10,199 - [Announcer] And there is Armstrong. 993 00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:12,609 He's not looking good, he's all over his machine right now. 994 00:43:12,609 --> 00:43:13,749 He doesn't look good, Phil. 995 00:43:13,749 --> 00:43:15,611 he should not be riding so far down the group. 996 00:43:15,611 --> 00:43:17,866 He's obviously having a very hard day. 997 00:43:17,866 --> 00:43:21,429 This is where you have to race alone and Armstrong's gone. 998 00:43:21,429 --> 00:43:22,514 A big move by Lance, this 999 00:43:22,514 --> 00:43:25,323 and no reply coming at all from Jan Ullrich. 1000 00:43:25,323 --> 00:43:27,121 Ullrich has got no answer to this. 1001 00:43:27,121 --> 00:43:30,219 - [Announcer] He's fooled everybody in the Tour de France. 1002 00:43:30,219 --> 00:43:32,298 I never expected Armstrong to do this. 1003 00:43:32,298 --> 00:43:35,828 He has ripped the field apart and he is climbing now to the. 1004 00:43:35,828 --> 00:43:38,219 And he was riding to win the Tour de France. 1005 00:43:38,219 --> 00:43:40,501 Now are we seeing the foundations 1006 00:43:40,501 --> 00:43:42,191 of the man who will win the Tour 1007 00:43:42,191 --> 00:43:44,004 for the third time in Paris? 1008 00:43:44,004 --> 00:43:47,754 Yes, that's the one I wanted and I've got it. 1009 00:43:48,985 --> 00:43:51,025 - I had been convinced for some time 1010 00:43:51,025 --> 00:43:54,608 that Armstrong worked with Michele Ferrari. 1011 00:43:57,465 --> 00:43:59,934 I got the Italian police to help me. 1012 00:43:59,934 --> 00:44:01,931 They got me evidence that Lance, 1013 00:44:01,931 --> 00:44:02,909 in the space of two years, 1014 00:44:02,909 --> 00:44:05,909 spent 13 days in the town of Ferrara 1015 00:44:06,807 --> 00:44:08,331 and the only reason, if you were Lance Armstrong, 1016 00:44:08,331 --> 00:44:13,073 for being in Ferrara, was to see this doping doctor. 1017 00:44:13,073 --> 00:44:15,100 - [Announcer] L'americain se rend au conference de presse 1018 00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:16,303 comme sur la route, 1019 00:44:16,303 --> 00:44:19,370 il n'a allude aucune question sur le Dopage. 1020 00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:20,203 - Wow! 1021 00:44:20,203 --> 00:44:21,405 - [Greg] He had to do a press conference 1022 00:44:21,405 --> 00:44:22,879 on the rest day in Pau. 1023 00:44:22,879 --> 00:44:24,299 - I think this is a clean tour. 1024 00:44:24,299 --> 00:44:27,005 - And in that press conference, 16 questions go, 1025 00:44:27,005 --> 00:44:29,472 no questions about doping and then bang, 1026 00:44:29,472 --> 00:44:31,291 first question is asked 1027 00:44:31,291 --> 00:44:33,716 and the doping questions then come like a, 1028 00:44:33,716 --> 00:44:35,292 like in an avalanche. 1029 00:44:35,292 --> 00:44:38,214 And as soon as the question turned to doping, 1030 00:44:38,214 --> 00:44:40,426 Lance did something quite strange. 1031 00:44:40,426 --> 00:44:41,751 - I believe he's an honest man, 1032 00:44:41,751 --> 00:44:42,772 I believe he's a fair man 1033 00:44:42,772 --> 00:44:44,583 and I believe he's an innocent man. 1034 00:44:44,583 --> 00:44:47,442 - He started fixing his gaze on me. 1035 00:44:47,442 --> 00:44:49,326 and even though it was some journalist over here 1036 00:44:49,326 --> 00:44:50,994 who asked the question, 1037 00:44:50,994 --> 00:44:53,491 Lance would refer to me in his answer. 1038 00:44:53,491 --> 00:44:55,890 - I've never denied the relationship. 1039 00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:56,890 Even to you. 1040 00:45:00,689 --> 00:45:02,112 People are not stupid. 1041 00:45:02,112 --> 00:45:05,109 They say, Has Lance Armstrong ever tested positive? 1042 00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:06,100 No. 1043 00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:07,625 Has Lance Armstrong been tested? 1044 00:45:07,625 --> 00:45:08,767 A lot. 1045 00:45:08,767 --> 00:45:12,434 - But I found that just wholly unconvincing. 1046 00:45:14,567 --> 00:45:16,330 - Two weeks later, David Walsh called up 1047 00:45:16,330 --> 00:45:19,423 and I'm like, God, I, I don't know what to say. 1048 00:45:19,423 --> 00:45:22,184 So I chose my words as well as I could 1049 00:45:22,184 --> 00:45:25,900 and I just said, I'm disappointed he's seeing Ferrari. 1050 00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:27,935 And then David posed the question, now, 1051 00:45:27,935 --> 00:45:31,177 if he's clean, would you consider this the greatest comeback 1052 00:45:31,177 --> 00:45:32,266 in the history of sport? 1053 00:45:32,266 --> 00:45:34,236 And I said, Absolutely. 1054 00:45:34,236 --> 00:45:36,956 And he said, but what if he isn't? 1055 00:45:36,956 --> 00:45:40,623 I said, Then it would be the greatest fraud. 1056 00:45:42,757 --> 00:45:45,179 - After that comment came out, 1057 00:45:45,179 --> 00:45:48,288 our whole lives changed in an hour 1058 00:45:48,288 --> 00:45:51,187 after that was published. 1059 00:45:51,187 --> 00:45:52,839 - We went out to dinner 1060 00:45:52,839 --> 00:45:55,797 and Lance, he said, Fucking LeMond. 1061 00:45:55,797 --> 00:45:57,382 His comments about Ferrari 1062 00:45:57,382 --> 00:45:59,842 and how he's disappointed that I'm working with Ferrari. 1063 00:45:59,842 --> 00:46:01,064 Lance flipped. 1064 00:46:01,064 --> 00:46:02,733 You know, and at that dinner it was vent session. 1065 00:46:02,733 --> 00:46:04,009 Who does Greg think he is? 1066 00:46:04,009 --> 00:46:05,071 I'm going to destroy him, 1067 00:46:05,071 --> 00:46:06,497 all this kind of stuff. 1068 00:46:06,497 --> 00:46:09,999 - And I said, Yeah, but I thought Ferrari's a bad guy. 1069 00:46:09,999 --> 00:46:13,249 And he just looked at me and he glared. 1070 00:46:14,784 --> 00:46:18,117 And he said, I'm going to fuck him over. 1071 00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:28,061 - Lance returned to the US. 1072 00:46:28,061 --> 00:46:30,144 He was scheduled to throw 1073 00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:34,494 the opening game baseball at Yankee Stadium. 1074 00:46:34,494 --> 00:46:38,287 And he was sitting in his hotel room at the Four Seasons. 1075 00:46:38,287 --> 00:46:40,037 He calls Greg LeMond. 1076 00:46:43,245 --> 00:46:44,841 - [Kathy] We were at bag claim, 1077 00:46:44,841 --> 00:46:48,114 Minneapolis airport, I had pulled up outside. 1078 00:46:48,114 --> 00:46:49,614 and the phone rang 1079 00:46:50,738 --> 00:46:52,791 and Greg says, It's Lance. 1080 00:46:52,791 --> 00:46:54,155 - He said, Oh, come on, 1081 00:46:54,155 --> 00:46:56,691 your win in '89 was a miracle, just like mine, 1082 00:46:56,691 --> 00:46:58,441 in '99, I said, whoa. 1083 00:47:00,166 --> 00:47:01,602 That's where you're wrong, buddy, 1084 00:47:01,602 --> 00:47:03,258 'cause mine wasn't a miracle. 1085 00:47:03,258 --> 00:47:06,088 I worked my ass off, I barely won by eight seconds. 1086 00:47:06,088 --> 00:47:06,921 No miracle there. 1087 00:47:06,921 --> 00:47:08,835 - [Announcer] By eight seconds. 1088 00:47:08,835 --> 00:47:12,304 - He said to Greg, You're telling me you never did EPO? 1089 00:47:12,304 --> 00:47:13,538 - Absolutely not. 1090 00:47:13,538 --> 00:47:16,056 Oh, come on, everybody takes EPO. 1091 00:47:16,056 --> 00:47:17,294 And he mentioned drugs that I 1092 00:47:17,294 --> 00:47:19,088 never heard of. 1093 00:47:19,088 --> 00:47:21,255 Hemasist, Hemopure, PFC's. 1094 00:47:22,824 --> 00:47:25,186 He listed probably 10 drugs I'd never heard of. 1095 00:47:25,186 --> 00:47:26,147 Is that what you think I'm on? 1096 00:47:26,147 --> 00:47:27,488 I'm like, whoa. 1097 00:47:27,488 --> 00:47:29,738 - You know, he was vicious. 1098 00:47:31,325 --> 00:47:33,081 - [Greg] He said, Well, if you want to throw stones, 1099 00:47:33,081 --> 00:47:34,628 I'll throw stones. 1100 00:47:34,628 --> 00:47:35,906 And he said, I'll get people, 1101 00:47:35,906 --> 00:47:38,515 I'll get ten people to say you took EPO. 1102 00:47:38,515 --> 00:47:39,749 Holy shit. 1103 00:47:39,749 --> 00:47:41,241 - And Greg. 1104 00:47:41,241 --> 00:47:42,710 just said, I'm sorry, 1105 00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:45,334 but if anybody comes out saying I used EPO, 1106 00:47:45,334 --> 00:47:47,916 I'm going to know it came from you 1107 00:47:47,916 --> 00:47:50,104 and you paid 'em. 1108 00:47:50,104 --> 00:47:51,467 (phone rings) 1109 00:47:51,467 --> 00:47:52,300 - 'Cause I know that Steve 1110 00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:54,196 was working at Lance Armstrong Foundation, 1111 00:47:54,196 --> 00:47:55,381 I called him just to say, 1112 00:47:55,381 --> 00:47:57,222 you know, This is what happened to me. 1113 00:47:57,222 --> 00:47:58,974 This is Greg LeMond calling. 1114 00:47:58,974 --> 00:48:00,626 - He was clearly shaken. 1115 00:48:00,626 --> 00:48:04,945 And he proceeds over the course of 45 minutes to an hour 1116 00:48:04,945 --> 00:48:08,492 telling me exactly what had just transpired. 1117 00:48:08,492 --> 00:48:10,678 Including the threat. 1118 00:48:10,678 --> 00:48:13,501 The next day, I get a call from Lance. 1119 00:48:13,501 --> 00:48:15,418 And he proceeds to tell 1120 00:48:16,903 --> 00:48:19,403 of his conversation with Greg. 1121 00:48:20,303 --> 00:48:23,827 He was out of control, he was clearly drunk. 1122 00:48:23,827 --> 00:48:25,158 - We've gotten reports back 1123 00:48:25,158 --> 00:48:29,121 that, Oh, yeah, Greg had a drug and alcohol problem. 1124 00:48:29,121 --> 00:48:32,288 I actually had a reporter call and ask me one day, 1125 00:48:32,288 --> 00:48:34,712 if Greg had a heroin problem. 1126 00:48:34,712 --> 00:48:36,389 - What was interesting 1127 00:48:36,389 --> 00:48:37,889 is Lance's version 1128 00:48:38,908 --> 00:48:41,896 was completely different than Greg's version 1129 00:48:41,896 --> 00:48:46,063 and it was certainly at that moment in time I thought. 1130 00:48:49,486 --> 00:48:51,736 I have been made a fool of. 1131 00:48:54,089 --> 00:48:56,339 (cheering) 1132 00:49:00,676 --> 00:49:04,093 I packed my car and I drove out of Texas. 1133 00:49:06,656 --> 00:49:08,777 And the next day I resigned. 1134 00:49:08,777 --> 00:49:11,098 - Absolutely, I had to learn a lot about the illness 1135 00:49:11,098 --> 00:49:13,458 and I had to learn a lot about my options. 1136 00:49:13,458 --> 00:49:14,291 - Mm-hm. 1137 00:49:14,291 --> 00:49:16,776 Did you ever consider the option of giving up? 1138 00:49:16,776 --> 00:49:17,916 - Oh, no. 1139 00:49:17,916 --> 00:49:18,752 (applause) 1140 00:49:18,752 --> 00:49:19,851 - That's great. 1141 00:49:19,851 --> 00:49:20,934 That's great. 1142 00:49:21,909 --> 00:49:23,159 Because it's not an option, is it? 1143 00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:25,159 It's just not an option. 1144 00:49:32,284 --> 00:49:33,283 (horns) 1145 00:49:33,283 --> 00:49:35,276 - Tyler Hamilton left the team, 1146 00:49:35,276 --> 00:49:37,869 because Tyler was incredibly ambitious 1147 00:49:37,869 --> 00:49:40,914 and he was resentful of Lance's profile. 1148 00:49:40,914 --> 00:49:45,442 He was a absolutely driven guy, a bit like Lance, 1149 00:49:45,442 --> 00:49:47,723 had to win and Tyler thought 1150 00:49:47,723 --> 00:49:49,472 the only way that I can win the Tour 1151 00:49:49,472 --> 00:49:51,496 is to be in another team 1152 00:49:51,496 --> 00:49:54,393 and when I go and leave this team 1153 00:49:54,393 --> 00:49:56,162 I then am going to get a doping program 1154 00:49:56,162 --> 00:49:57,939 just as good, if not better than Lance's. 1155 00:49:57,939 --> 00:49:59,856 - [Announcer] One, two. 1156 00:50:00,810 --> 00:50:03,193 - [Tyler] There became more stresses, you know, having to 1157 00:50:03,193 --> 00:50:06,628 work with my own special doctor there in Spain, 1158 00:50:06,628 --> 00:50:08,683 having to organize those trips. 1159 00:50:08,683 --> 00:50:10,744 It wasn't the team handling it. 1160 00:50:10,744 --> 00:50:11,673 (whistle) 1161 00:50:11,673 --> 00:50:14,319 The easy part about the US Postal Service cycling team 1162 00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:16,160 for me in terms of doping was 1163 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,962 it was all kind of taken care of, 1164 00:50:17,962 --> 00:50:19,994 like, one-stop shopping. 1165 00:50:19,994 --> 00:50:21,741 - [Announcer] Stuart O'Grady has moved too far back 1166 00:50:21,741 --> 00:50:23,293 and there's been a mass pile-up there, 1167 00:50:23,293 --> 00:50:24,827 it was Tyler went down, 1168 00:50:24,827 --> 00:50:27,303 and the peloton completely crashing on the line. 1169 00:50:27,303 --> 00:50:30,977 - And if Tyler Hamilton left the team, Lance needed 1170 00:50:30,977 --> 00:50:34,343 a young American guy, preferably, to take Tyler's place. 1171 00:50:34,343 --> 00:50:36,547 Floyd was the obvious example. 1172 00:50:36,547 --> 00:50:39,265 He was talented, he was gritty, he was tough 1173 00:50:39,265 --> 00:50:43,163 and he's saying to Johan, I'll do whatever it takes. 1174 00:50:43,163 --> 00:50:44,213 - We have to make sure that 1175 00:50:44,213 --> 00:50:46,425 we're not in a situation like Pyrenees, for example. 1176 00:50:46,425 --> 00:50:48,580 Floyd will remember that very well. 1177 00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:49,413 Floyd. 1178 00:50:49,413 --> 00:50:50,246 - Thanks for pointing that out, yes. 1179 00:50:50,246 --> 00:50:51,952 I won't forget that any time soon. 1180 00:50:51,952 --> 00:50:53,610 - You're 27 seconds faster than 1181 00:50:53,610 --> 00:50:55,943 and 40 seconds faster than. 1182 00:50:57,026 --> 00:50:58,938 Boys, come on, keep it together. 1183 00:50:58,938 --> 00:50:59,771 We're going to win it. 1184 00:50:59,771 --> 00:51:01,162 - [Greg] There was a train here 1185 00:51:01,162 --> 00:51:02,932 and it was dripping with gravy. 1186 00:51:02,932 --> 00:51:04,647 - Here they are, a blue train. 1187 00:51:04,647 --> 00:51:05,944 - And these guys were desperate 1188 00:51:05,944 --> 00:51:08,795 to mop up as much as they could for themselves. 1189 00:51:08,795 --> 00:51:11,113 Because the financial rewards were huge. 1190 00:51:11,113 --> 00:51:12,530 - OK, OK, OK, OK! 1191 00:51:13,458 --> 00:51:15,904 - [Announcer] This is the best team in the world right now. 1192 00:51:15,904 --> 00:51:18,737 - I saw what I deemed a huge fraud 1193 00:51:19,631 --> 00:51:22,381 being played out on a world stage 1194 00:51:23,540 --> 00:51:25,185 and there was no place, 1195 00:51:25,185 --> 00:51:26,602 no place to turn. 1196 00:51:27,495 --> 00:51:29,420 (cheering) 1197 00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:31,285 - Journalists had approached me 1198 00:51:31,285 --> 00:51:33,550 and some of them had got questions they'd e-mailed me across 1199 00:51:33,550 --> 00:51:37,749 and stuff were very close to what was going on. 1200 00:51:37,749 --> 00:51:39,856 - All the peloton were on Armstrong's side. 1201 00:51:39,856 --> 00:51:41,918 The sponsors are on Armstrong's side. 1202 00:51:41,918 --> 00:51:45,319 The UCI were on Armstrong's side. 1203 00:51:45,319 --> 00:51:48,934 Everybody had a stake in Lance being a success. 1204 00:51:48,934 --> 00:51:51,715 And of course anybody who accused him 1205 00:51:51,715 --> 00:51:55,109 was deemed an enemy of the sport. 1206 00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:56,722 - [Announcer] London sports writer, David Walsh 1207 00:51:56,722 --> 00:52:00,282 accuses Armstrong of doping in the book, LA Confidential. 1208 00:52:00,282 --> 00:52:02,033 The book, published only in France, 1209 00:52:02,033 --> 00:52:04,651 quotes Armstrong's former massage therapist, 1210 00:52:04,651 --> 00:52:07,592 who claims she covered up injection marks with make up. 1211 00:52:07,592 --> 00:52:10,728 - I remember I was sweeping my sitting room floor, 1212 00:52:10,728 --> 00:52:12,532 Sky Sports is on. 1213 00:52:12,532 --> 00:52:13,450 In the corner of my eye 1214 00:52:13,450 --> 00:52:15,682 I can see the ticker tape underneath it go, 1215 00:52:15,682 --> 00:52:19,849 and it says, Former Armstrong masseuse, Emma O'Reilly. 1216 00:52:21,015 --> 00:52:22,724 spills the beans, blah, blah, blah. 1217 00:52:22,724 --> 00:52:24,348 I'm thinking. 1218 00:52:24,348 --> 00:52:25,516 I have to say my first thought was, 1219 00:52:25,516 --> 00:52:28,499 I am going to get David Walsh and wring his neck. 1220 00:52:28,499 --> 00:52:30,052 - I'll say one thing about the book 1221 00:52:30,052 --> 00:52:33,567 and especially since our esteemed author is here. 1222 00:52:33,567 --> 00:52:37,713 In my view, I think extraordinary accusations 1223 00:52:37,713 --> 00:52:39,296 must be followed up 1224 00:52:40,518 --> 00:52:42,601 with extraordinary proof. 1225 00:52:43,449 --> 00:52:45,777 And they have not come up with extraordinary proof. 1226 00:52:45,777 --> 00:52:47,938 - Why couldn't it just be proof, 1227 00:52:47,938 --> 00:52:51,771 that allegations must be followed up by proof? 1228 00:52:52,902 --> 00:52:57,069 And what Lance was saying is that, when you're an icon 1229 00:52:58,001 --> 00:53:01,628 who sits as high in the firmament as I do, 1230 00:53:01,628 --> 00:53:04,983 you have to have extraordinary proof to bring me down. 1231 00:53:04,983 --> 00:53:06,153 And it was true. 1232 00:53:06,153 --> 00:53:07,773 What he was saying was right. 1233 00:53:07,773 --> 00:53:11,390 Different rules apply to the gods. 1234 00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:12,640 And I am a god. 1235 00:53:14,402 --> 00:53:16,744 - Mr Armstrong's legal team 1236 00:53:16,744 --> 00:53:18,522 was very concerned about the book 1237 00:53:18,522 --> 00:53:21,090 and wanted to discredit David Walsh. 1238 00:53:21,090 --> 00:53:24,331 They knew one of the sources was likely Betsy Andreu 1239 00:53:24,331 --> 00:53:26,939 and they wanted Betsy Andreu and Frankie Andreu 1240 00:53:26,939 --> 00:53:28,730 to distance themselves from the book 1241 00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:30,699 and say Mr Walsh had it wrong. 1242 00:53:30,699 --> 00:53:34,397 - Lance told me that his two, his two agents, 1243 00:53:34,397 --> 00:53:37,456 Bill Stapleton and Bart Knaggs wanted to talk with me. 1244 00:53:37,456 --> 00:53:38,831 So I was like, OK. 1245 00:53:38,831 --> 00:53:40,273 You know, I knew what was coming, 1246 00:53:40,273 --> 00:53:41,514 I knew what it was going to be about. 1247 00:53:41,514 --> 00:53:43,701 - He asked me, he said, Shall I tape the conversation? 1248 00:53:43,701 --> 00:53:47,868 I said, Hell, yeah, because they'll say it never happened. 1249 00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:53,166 - We met in the parking lot of the Tour de France start 1250 00:53:53,166 --> 00:53:54,534 after everybody had, you know, 1251 00:53:54,534 --> 00:53:56,344 all the riders had left and so, 1252 00:53:56,344 --> 00:53:57,373 I put a tape recorder in my pocket 1253 00:53:57,373 --> 00:53:59,956 and I tape recorded everything. 1254 00:54:10,013 --> 00:54:11,686 'Cause I didn't trust these guys, you know. 1255 00:54:11,686 --> 00:54:13,552 Still don't trust them. 1256 00:54:13,552 --> 00:54:16,213 They talked about how bad it would be for the sport 1257 00:54:16,213 --> 00:54:20,213 if Lance gets in trouble and all this comes out. 1258 00:54:24,714 --> 00:54:26,848 They wanted her to sign an affidavit 1259 00:54:26,848 --> 00:54:28,509 saying she would never go against 1260 00:54:28,509 --> 00:54:30,112 Lance Armstrong for the rest of her life. 1261 00:54:30,112 --> 00:54:31,445 Something crazy. 1262 00:54:48,709 --> 00:54:50,539 You can imagine when I brought that up to Betsy, 1263 00:54:50,539 --> 00:54:52,721 So, Bets, they want you to sign something 1264 00:54:52,721 --> 00:54:53,865 saying you'll never sue 1265 00:54:53,865 --> 00:54:55,628 or go against Lance Armstrong and it was, 1266 00:54:55,628 --> 00:54:57,367 it was just a bunch of cuss words. 1267 00:54:57,367 --> 00:54:58,200 - Yeah! 1268 00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,373 Because I saw what they were doing. 1269 00:54:59,373 --> 00:55:00,873 It was ridiculous. 1270 00:55:02,277 --> 00:55:04,809 OK, first of all Frankie loses his job 1271 00:55:04,809 --> 00:55:09,665 because he won't get on a doping program and now. 1272 00:55:09,665 --> 00:55:14,079 They are trying to get me to sign something 1273 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,119 to support Lance? 1274 00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:17,717 Whom I believe is cheating? 1275 00:55:17,717 --> 00:55:19,785 It's not going to happen. 1276 00:55:19,785 --> 00:55:21,577 - [Announcer] There's no argument who the champion 1277 00:55:21,577 --> 00:55:23,430 is of the Tour de France. 1278 00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:25,425 - [Betsy] And when I refused. 1279 00:55:25,425 --> 00:55:27,709 - It's been four times now, how do you differentiate. 1280 00:55:27,709 --> 00:55:30,026 - It just was not good for Frankie's career. 1281 00:55:30,026 --> 00:55:31,714 - [Reporter] Thank you, Lance. 1282 00:55:31,714 --> 00:55:34,710 - [Announcer] The yellow jersey is owned by only one man, 1283 00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:37,622 as it has been for the last eight days. 1284 00:55:37,622 --> 00:55:41,256 - Lance Armstrong benefited from SCA and Bob Hammond paying 1285 00:55:41,256 --> 00:55:43,996 an enormous amount of prize money for him, 1286 00:55:43,996 --> 00:55:48,453 winning races that Lance Armstrong swore he won cleanly. 1287 00:55:48,453 --> 00:55:50,669 - [Announcer] As he races the line to the victory. 1288 00:55:50,669 --> 00:55:53,056 - [Laywer] Total amount to Lance if he won all 1289 00:55:53,056 --> 00:55:54,730 of the Tour de France races 1290 00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:56,258 came close to almost 10 million. 1291 00:55:56,258 --> 00:55:57,091 - Lance, well done. 1292 00:55:57,091 --> 00:55:58,587 Back for more next year? 1293 00:55:58,587 --> 00:55:59,777 - Ha, ha. 1294 00:55:59,777 --> 00:56:00,930 Probably. 1295 00:56:00,930 --> 00:56:05,017 - When somebody consistently goes against the odds, 1296 00:56:05,017 --> 00:56:06,582 the evidence is that perhaps 1297 00:56:06,582 --> 00:56:08,821 the odds aren't what you think they are 1298 00:56:08,821 --> 00:56:11,794 and something else is present 1299 00:56:11,794 --> 00:56:14,542 and quite often that's cheating. 1300 00:56:14,542 --> 00:56:15,574 (cheering) 1301 00:56:15,574 --> 00:56:16,407 - [Announcer] He is down the ramp 1302 00:56:16,407 --> 00:56:18,029 for the last time in his career. 1303 00:56:18,029 --> 00:56:21,645 - I've decided that the Tour de France will be my last race 1304 00:56:21,645 --> 00:56:23,091 as a professional cyclist. 1305 00:56:23,091 --> 00:56:26,220 - [Announcer] It is the picture we will never see again. 1306 00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:30,041 A rider in yellow we've come to know since 1999. 1307 00:56:30,041 --> 00:56:31,994 You won't believe what the crowd are doing here. 1308 00:56:31,994 --> 00:56:34,748 They are leaping in every direction 1309 00:56:34,748 --> 00:56:38,164 as Lance Armstrong brings it to an end as a winner. 1310 00:56:38,164 --> 00:56:40,439 History in the making, he now retires 1311 00:56:40,439 --> 00:56:42,728 seven times a winner of the Tour De France. 1312 00:56:42,728 --> 00:56:45,808 - [Announcer] Lance Armstrong! 1313 00:56:45,808 --> 00:56:47,028 - The last thing I'll say for the people 1314 00:56:47,028 --> 00:56:48,724 that don't believe in cycling, 1315 00:56:48,724 --> 00:56:51,448 the cynics and the sceptics, 1316 00:56:51,448 --> 00:56:52,317 I'm sorry for you, 1317 00:56:52,317 --> 00:56:53,816 I'm sorry you can't dream big, 1318 00:56:53,816 --> 00:56:56,020 and I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles, 1319 00:56:56,020 --> 00:56:57,438 but this is one hell of a race. 1320 00:56:57,438 --> 00:57:01,869 This is a great sporting event and you should believe. 1321 00:57:01,869 --> 00:57:03,632 Vive La Tour. 1322 00:57:03,632 --> 00:57:04,465 For ever. 1323 00:57:04,465 --> 00:57:05,614 Thank you. 1324 00:57:05,614 --> 00:57:07,495 (national anthem) 1325 00:57:07,495 --> 00:57:09,745 (cheering) 1326 00:57:15,634 --> 00:57:17,744 - Good morning, this begins video tape number one, 1327 00:57:17,744 --> 00:57:20,990 in the arbitration matter of Lance Armstrong et al 1328 00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:24,000 versus SCA Promotions Incorporated et al. 1329 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,814 - Bob Hamman kind of basically felt that he'd been duped, 1330 00:57:27,814 --> 00:57:29,026 he'd already paid Lance, 1331 00:57:29,026 --> 00:57:31,671 I think four and a half million at that time, 1332 00:57:31,671 --> 00:57:34,437 he balked at paying the last five million dollar bonus. 1333 00:57:34,437 --> 00:57:36,517 - Mr Armstrong, my name is Jeff Tillotson, 1334 00:57:36,517 --> 00:57:37,350 I represent. 1335 00:57:37,350 --> 00:57:38,542 - [Narrator] It became a law suit 1336 00:57:38,542 --> 00:57:41,523 and over the course of about a year and a half, 1337 00:57:41,523 --> 00:57:43,925 we took depositions, which is sworn testimony, 1338 00:57:43,925 --> 00:57:46,175 we ploghed through records. 1339 00:57:49,111 --> 00:57:50,698 - The day before the SCA deposition, 1340 00:57:50,698 --> 00:57:52,915 I received a phone call from him. 1341 00:57:52,915 --> 00:57:54,641 Lance, just calling to see how you're doing. 1342 00:57:54,641 --> 00:57:56,173 I hadn't talked to the guy in like, four years, you know 1343 00:57:56,173 --> 00:57:59,640 and saying, Ah, you know I heard this is, 1344 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,054 Kathy LeMond said this, that Betsy said this. 1345 00:58:02,054 --> 00:58:03,883 He was prying for information and questions 1346 00:58:03,883 --> 00:58:06,633 and trying to say, Hey, I'm here. 1347 00:58:08,187 --> 00:58:09,914 I'm right at your door. 1348 00:58:09,914 --> 00:58:12,150 And then he showed up at the door step. 1349 00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:14,190 So when I showed up, 1350 00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:17,243 I saw Lance walking in the hallway 1351 00:58:17,243 --> 00:58:19,605 and I thought, Oh, my gosh. 1352 00:58:19,605 --> 00:58:22,013 - She was so nervous, she was literally shaking, 1353 00:58:22,013 --> 00:58:24,343 because there she was, to give a deposition 1354 00:58:24,343 --> 00:58:27,190 and Lance Armstrong had flown from Austin, 1355 00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:30,610 on his private jet to watch her testify about him 1356 00:58:30,610 --> 00:58:32,243 and she knew exactly what kind of message 1357 00:58:32,243 --> 00:58:34,027 he was trying to send. 1358 00:58:34,027 --> 00:58:37,849 - There was a long table in the conference room 1359 00:58:37,849 --> 00:58:40,099 and it was me and my lawyer 1360 00:58:41,911 --> 00:58:42,744 and Lance. 1361 00:58:44,289 --> 00:58:45,949 I was furious. 1362 00:58:45,949 --> 00:58:47,619 - [Judge] Why? 1363 00:58:47,619 --> 00:58:49,591 - So I saw what Lance was doing, 1364 00:58:49,591 --> 00:58:51,183 how he was on his BlackBerry, 1365 00:58:51,183 --> 00:58:53,310 how he was on his computer. 1366 00:58:53,310 --> 00:58:54,143 Because. 1367 00:58:56,397 --> 00:58:58,534 It wasn't a lie. 1368 00:58:58,534 --> 00:58:59,975 I'm not going to say somebody 1369 00:58:59,975 --> 00:59:01,837 is lying when they are not lying. 1370 00:59:01,837 --> 00:59:04,910 - She was the first witness who effectively said, 1371 00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:06,380 I don't care what happens to me. 1372 00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:07,428 I'm going to tell the truth. 1373 00:59:07,428 --> 00:59:09,420 - [Judge] First, tell me where you were. 1374 00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:10,453 - Michel's. 1375 00:59:10,453 --> 00:59:11,967 It's a restaurant in Villefranche. 1376 00:59:11,967 --> 00:59:14,131 I had never been in a deposition before, 1377 00:59:14,131 --> 00:59:16,027 so when I didn't remember something, 1378 00:59:16,027 --> 00:59:19,123 a restaurant, I had leaned over and I asked Lance. 1379 00:59:19,123 --> 00:59:20,621 - It is Villefranche, isn't it, Lance? 1380 00:59:20,621 --> 00:59:22,149 - [Lance] Objection. 1381 00:59:22,149 --> 00:59:22,982 - [Judge] Well. 1382 00:59:22,982 --> 00:59:24,893 - You can't do that, hold it, hold it, you can't do that. 1383 00:59:24,893 --> 00:59:28,260 So it was, I was just answering questions honestly. 1384 00:59:28,260 --> 00:59:30,904 - [Judge] I just would like you to recount what took place 1385 00:59:30,904 --> 00:59:34,237 in the Indiana University Hospital room. 1386 00:59:35,272 --> 00:59:37,733 - The doctor asked him a couple of questions 1387 00:59:37,733 --> 00:59:41,921 and then came the question, have you ever 1388 00:59:41,921 --> 00:59:45,290 taken any performance-enhancing drugs? 1389 00:59:45,290 --> 00:59:46,224 And Lance said, yes. 1390 00:59:46,224 --> 00:59:47,701 The doctor said, What were they? 1391 00:59:47,701 --> 00:59:49,078 And he said, 1392 00:59:49,078 --> 00:59:53,245 EPO, growth hormone, cortisone, steroids and testosterone. 1393 00:59:55,023 --> 00:59:57,076 - [Judge] Did any medical person ask you 1394 00:59:57,076 --> 00:59:59,213 while you were at the Indiana University Hospital 1395 00:59:59,213 --> 01:00:00,216 whether you had ever used 1396 01:00:00,216 --> 01:00:03,433 any sort of performance-enhancing drugs or substances? 1397 01:00:03,433 --> 01:00:04,387 - No. 1398 01:00:04,387 --> 01:00:07,148 - [Judge] Can you offer, can you help explain to me 1399 01:00:07,148 --> 01:00:10,322 why Miss Andreu would make that story up? 1400 01:00:10,322 --> 01:00:12,953 Well, she said in her deposition she hates me. 1401 01:00:12,953 --> 01:00:14,665 - I don't know how the doctor phrased the question, 1402 01:00:14,665 --> 01:00:17,089 but Lance's response was that he had taken EPO 1403 01:00:17,089 --> 01:00:20,006 and testosterone and growth hormone 1404 01:00:22,227 --> 01:00:23,394 and cortisone. 1405 01:00:25,284 --> 01:00:26,537 - [Judge] Why would Mr Andreu 1406 01:00:26,537 --> 01:00:29,539 say the same things, if you know? 1407 01:00:29,539 --> 01:00:31,648 - Probably to support his wife, which. 1408 01:00:31,648 --> 01:00:33,832 I don't know if you're married or not, but. 1409 01:00:33,832 --> 01:00:34,665 - [Judge] I am. 1410 01:00:34,665 --> 01:00:36,665 - Sometimes is required. 1411 01:00:37,567 --> 01:00:38,975 - [Judge] So your testimony that Mr. Andreu 1412 01:00:38,975 --> 01:00:41,225 was also lying when he said 1413 01:00:42,527 --> 01:00:43,552 that he heard you say those 1414 01:00:43,552 --> 01:00:44,616 things regarding your prior use? 1415 01:00:44,616 --> 01:00:45,616 - 100%. 1416 01:00:51,582 --> 01:00:53,101 But I feel for him. 1417 01:00:53,101 --> 01:00:54,592 - [Judge] What do you mean by that? 1418 01:00:54,592 --> 01:00:58,425 - I think he's trying to back up his old lady. 1419 01:00:59,305 --> 01:01:00,545 - [Jeff] Frankie Andreu was under 1420 01:01:00,545 --> 01:01:02,350 extremely difficult circumstances 1421 01:01:02,350 --> 01:01:04,433 at that particular point in time, 1422 01:01:04,433 --> 01:01:07,135 all of which was a result of Lance Armstrong. 1423 01:01:07,135 --> 01:01:08,604 - [Judge] Did Mr Armstrong ever tell you 1424 01:01:08,604 --> 01:01:11,445 during that time period that he definitely 1425 01:01:11,445 --> 01:01:13,219 was not going to use EPO 1426 01:01:13,219 --> 01:01:15,478 and no-one else should use EPO? 1427 01:01:15,478 --> 01:01:16,754 - No. 1428 01:01:16,754 --> 01:01:19,563 Did he indicate to you that he was going to use EPO 1429 01:01:19,563 --> 01:01:20,895 or consider using EPO? 1430 01:01:20,895 --> 01:01:21,728 - No. 1431 01:01:28,457 --> 01:01:31,957 - He said openly and to the public that Betsy was crazy. 1432 01:01:31,957 --> 01:01:35,938 They implied behind the scenes that Betsy wasn't believable 1433 01:01:35,938 --> 01:01:37,320 and perhaps unstable. 1434 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,017 Everything you can possibly think of 1435 01:01:39,017 --> 01:01:42,605 as a way to hurt someone, they basically employed. 1436 01:01:42,605 --> 01:01:43,735 - [Judge] And what is it you told Frankie 1437 01:01:43,735 --> 01:01:45,652 after leaving the room? 1438 01:01:48,149 --> 01:01:48,982 - I. 1439 01:02:01,616 --> 01:02:02,927 His modus operandi, 1440 01:02:02,927 --> 01:02:06,399 which was, don't attack the message. 1441 01:02:06,399 --> 01:02:08,005 Attack the messenger. 1442 01:02:08,005 --> 01:02:10,771 So, if people don't know me, people are going to say, 1443 01:02:10,771 --> 01:02:13,396 Well, wait a minute, who is this woman? 1444 01:02:13,396 --> 01:02:15,786 Her husband stopped racing early. 1445 01:02:15,786 --> 01:02:18,015 If he was so good, why did he do that? 1446 01:02:18,015 --> 01:02:19,991 If Lance is dirty, 1447 01:02:19,991 --> 01:02:22,766 then why hasn't the governing body caught him? 1448 01:02:22,766 --> 01:02:25,525 Why does USA Cycling back him? 1449 01:02:25,525 --> 01:02:27,543 Why do his sponsors back him? 1450 01:02:27,543 --> 01:02:31,006 Why does he keep getting more and more money from him? 1451 01:02:31,006 --> 01:02:34,357 How come none of these doctors, who allegedly heard 1452 01:02:34,357 --> 01:02:35,622 what happened in the hospital room, 1453 01:02:35,622 --> 01:02:37,754 how come they're remaining quiet? 1454 01:02:37,754 --> 01:02:41,067 How come nobody has backed her up for that hospital room? 1455 01:02:41,067 --> 01:02:43,400 Look at his legions of fans. 1456 01:02:44,618 --> 01:02:47,479 He has a foundation fighting cancer. 1457 01:02:47,479 --> 01:02:51,604 What is this woman doing besides raising her own kids? 1458 01:02:51,604 --> 01:02:53,612 His problem was never with Frankie. 1459 01:02:53,612 --> 01:02:55,706 - [Judge] And after Mr Armstrong told the doctor 1460 01:02:55,706 --> 01:02:58,387 he was using certain performance enhancing drugs, 1461 01:02:58,387 --> 01:03:00,807 did your husband ever tell you, 1462 01:03:00,807 --> 01:03:03,068 That's wrong, he hasn't done those drugs? 1463 01:03:03,068 --> 01:03:06,006 Not your husband, but Mr Armstrong? 1464 01:03:06,006 --> 01:03:06,839 - No. 1465 01:03:14,279 --> 01:03:16,021 - How could it have taken place 1466 01:03:16,021 --> 01:03:18,860 when I've never taken performance-enhancing drugs? 1467 01:03:18,860 --> 01:03:19,960 How could that have happened? 1468 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:20,793 - [Judge] That's my point. 1469 01:03:20,793 --> 01:03:21,629 It's not just simply 1470 01:03:21,629 --> 01:03:22,462 you don't recall? 1471 01:03:22,462 --> 01:03:23,910 - How many times do I have to say it? 1472 01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:24,751 - [Judge] I'm just trying to make sure 1473 01:03:24,751 --> 01:03:26,606 your testimony is clear. 1474 01:03:26,606 --> 01:03:28,043 - Well, if it can't be any clearer than, 1475 01:03:28,043 --> 01:03:30,196 I've never taken drugs, 1476 01:03:30,196 --> 01:03:32,621 then incidents like that could never have happened. 1477 01:03:32,621 --> 01:03:33,454 - [Judge] OK. 1478 01:03:33,454 --> 01:03:35,121 - How clear is that? 1479 01:03:36,797 --> 01:03:38,844 - These are things that are so devious, 1480 01:03:38,844 --> 01:03:40,923 if untrue, but so powerful 1481 01:03:40,923 --> 01:03:44,511 when you use with people that makes you a compelling liar. 1482 01:03:44,511 --> 01:03:45,382 I'll give you an example. 1483 01:03:45,382 --> 01:03:47,000 Bad liar, Richard Nixon. 1484 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,981 Sweaty, looks suspicious, said goofy things 1485 01:03:49,981 --> 01:03:52,078 when people challenged him, I'm not a crook. 1486 01:03:52,078 --> 01:03:53,873 Great liar, Lance Armstrong. 1487 01:03:53,873 --> 01:03:55,128 I never doped. 1488 01:03:55,128 --> 01:03:56,620 I passed every test. 1489 01:03:56,620 --> 01:03:58,087 And anyone who challenges me, 1490 01:03:58,087 --> 01:04:01,326 I'm currently suing and are proving they're lying. 1491 01:04:01,326 --> 01:04:03,011 That's a good liar. 1492 01:04:03,011 --> 01:04:04,011 - Greg, who. 1493 01:04:05,363 --> 01:04:07,769 I know has serious drinking and drug problems, 1494 01:04:07,769 --> 01:04:12,037 was clearly intoxicated, yelling, screaming. 1495 01:04:12,037 --> 01:04:13,980 - It started off as, you know, 1496 01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:15,606 Hey, Greg, I thought we were friends. 1497 01:04:15,606 --> 01:04:16,869 - Friends? 1498 01:04:16,869 --> 01:04:18,238 What do you mean friends? 1499 01:04:18,238 --> 01:04:21,459 - He said, Well, if you want to throw stones. 1500 01:04:21,459 --> 01:04:22,514 I can throw stones. 1501 01:04:22,514 --> 01:04:25,960 - [Lawyer] He went after his reputation, his livelihood 1502 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,414 and his way of life. 1503 01:04:27,414 --> 01:04:28,914 - Well let me see. 1504 01:04:30,343 --> 01:04:32,057 Being called potentially the biggest fraud 1505 01:04:32,057 --> 01:04:34,474 in the history of the sport. 1506 01:04:34,474 --> 01:04:36,228 That was a little bit upsetting. 1507 01:04:36,228 --> 01:04:39,409 - He's set out to destroy me every step of the way. 1508 01:04:39,409 --> 01:04:43,399 I lost a company that did 20 million in sales in the US. 1509 01:04:43,399 --> 01:04:44,732 - Oh, he, you know, he said, 1510 01:04:44,732 --> 01:04:47,321 The sport is full of crooks and thieves and liars. 1511 01:04:47,321 --> 01:04:49,214 - I've been at trade shows, where dealers that said. 1512 01:04:49,214 --> 01:04:52,409 I would see and that I knew and they wouldn't even. 1513 01:04:52,409 --> 01:04:55,375 They wouldn't even look at me. 1514 01:04:55,375 --> 01:04:56,552 - He didn't like that either. 1515 01:04:56,552 --> 01:04:57,385 - How could this be? 1516 01:04:57,385 --> 01:05:00,155 How could it be that my career 1517 01:05:00,155 --> 01:05:01,489 collide with this guy 1518 01:05:01,489 --> 01:05:03,857 and then he takes everything away from me? 1519 01:05:03,857 --> 01:05:06,940 - We also wanted to believe in Lance. 1520 01:05:11,569 --> 01:05:15,380 And it was hard to find out that it wasn't. 1521 01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:17,190 I don't know why I'm crying, 1522 01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:21,010 but it was really hard to find out that. 1523 01:05:21,010 --> 01:05:23,127 this was going on. 1524 01:05:23,127 --> 01:05:25,833 - It's been awful stressful. 1525 01:05:25,833 --> 01:05:30,146 If I'd known for a second, I wouldn't have done it. 1526 01:05:30,146 --> 01:05:32,150 - [Lawyer] They were very, very mean 1527 01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:34,119 and very dismissive of Emma O'Reilly 1528 01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:36,978 as they were really almost of all the women 1529 01:05:36,978 --> 01:05:40,107 that testified against Mr Armstrong. 1530 01:05:40,107 --> 01:05:43,459 - Afraid that we were going to out her as a. 1531 01:05:43,459 --> 01:05:44,383 All these things she said. 1532 01:05:44,383 --> 01:05:45,351 As a whore or whatever. 1533 01:05:45,351 --> 01:05:46,184 I don't know. 1534 01:05:46,184 --> 01:05:47,017 Primarily. 1535 01:05:47,889 --> 01:05:49,536 - You don't talk about people like that! 1536 01:05:49,536 --> 01:05:50,706 And also to. 1537 01:05:50,706 --> 01:05:51,897 By calling me those names, 1538 01:05:51,897 --> 01:05:54,535 calling me basically an alcoholic prostitute, 1539 01:05:54,535 --> 01:05:55,704 it's just attacking me personally, 1540 01:05:55,704 --> 01:06:00,484 but it's not addressing the points that I brought up. 1541 01:06:00,484 --> 01:06:01,396 You know, and that's probably 1542 01:06:01,396 --> 01:06:04,238 what upset me the most over it all. 1543 01:06:04,238 --> 01:06:05,338 - [Narrator] Raise your right hand please. 1544 01:06:05,338 --> 01:06:06,562 Do you solemnly state your testimony 1545 01:06:06,562 --> 01:06:07,809 shall be the truth, whole truth 1546 01:06:07,809 --> 01:06:09,205 and nothing but the truth so help you God? 1547 01:06:09,205 --> 01:06:10,038 - I do. 1548 01:06:10,038 --> 01:06:12,463 - We had been told that Stephanie McIlvain 1549 01:06:12,463 --> 01:06:14,866 would testify that, yes, 1550 01:06:14,866 --> 01:06:17,483 she heard Mr Armstrong admit to drug use, 1551 01:06:17,483 --> 01:06:19,605 so we went out to depose her in California 1552 01:06:19,605 --> 01:06:22,376 at her place of business, which was Oakley. 1553 01:06:22,376 --> 01:06:23,467 - [Judge] What kind of things do you do? 1554 01:06:23,467 --> 01:06:24,884 - I take care of. 1555 01:06:26,161 --> 01:06:29,562 Well, I take care of Lance Armstrong and cycling also. 1556 01:06:29,562 --> 01:06:32,337 - She called us up and she was in tears. 1557 01:06:32,337 --> 01:06:33,976 Lance called me! 1558 01:06:33,976 --> 01:06:36,031 Lance is pissed! 1559 01:06:36,031 --> 01:06:38,214 And I thought, Oh, my God! 1560 01:06:38,214 --> 01:06:40,495 I said, You're going to lie, Stephanie. 1561 01:06:40,495 --> 01:06:42,241 You're going to lie to keep your job. 1562 01:06:42,241 --> 01:06:44,162 - Stephanie needed that job. 1563 01:06:44,162 --> 01:06:45,823 Her husband worked for Oakley. 1564 01:06:45,823 --> 01:06:47,276 He needed the job. 1565 01:06:47,276 --> 01:06:50,756 She's got a young son who's autistic. 1566 01:06:50,756 --> 01:06:53,310 They were in an extremely difficult position. 1567 01:06:53,310 --> 01:06:54,880 - [Judge] Where you ever in a hospital room, 1568 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,312 or other part of the hospital with Mr Armstrong, 1569 01:06:57,312 --> 01:07:00,490 where he said anything about performance-enhancing drugs? 1570 01:07:00,490 --> 01:07:02,106 - No. 1571 01:07:02,106 --> 01:07:03,730 - [Judge] Do you have any recollection 1572 01:07:03,730 --> 01:07:05,868 of any doctor in your presence 1573 01:07:05,868 --> 01:07:09,368 asking Mr Armstrong if he used in the past 1574 01:07:11,632 --> 01:07:13,993 any performance-enhancing drugs or substances? 1575 01:07:13,993 --> 01:07:15,517 - No. 1576 01:07:15,517 --> 01:07:17,915 - Betsy was going to be thrown under the bus 1577 01:07:17,915 --> 01:07:19,296 and I finally told her. 1578 01:07:19,296 --> 01:07:23,296 I said, Betsy. I recorded her and I have a tape. 1579 01:07:24,266 --> 01:07:26,766 (phone rings) 1580 01:07:37,879 --> 01:07:38,879 Greg LeMond! 1581 01:07:40,967 --> 01:07:43,384 - [Stephanie] I'm doing well. 1582 01:08:25,848 --> 01:08:27,265 - [Greg] I agree. 1583 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,699 - This recording was done well before her deposition, 1584 01:08:31,699 --> 01:08:35,422 so all we could conclude from that was someone got to her. 1585 01:08:35,422 --> 01:08:37,668 Because she clearly changed her testimony. 1586 01:08:37,668 --> 01:08:39,850 - Stephanie told me many times 1587 01:08:39,850 --> 01:08:41,891 that she heard the rumination. 1588 01:08:41,891 --> 01:08:45,980 Stephanie told me that her ultimate boss, Jim Jannard, 1589 01:08:45,980 --> 01:08:50,610 CEO and founder of Oakley knew about Lance Armstrong's 1590 01:08:50,610 --> 01:08:51,811 doping. 1591 01:08:51,811 --> 01:08:54,125 She had had conversations with Jim Jannard 1592 01:08:54,125 --> 01:08:56,997 that discussed Lance's doping and stories 1593 01:08:56,997 --> 01:08:59,268 that Jim had heard from Lance 1594 01:08:59,268 --> 01:09:01,435 concerning Lance's doping. 1595 01:09:17,344 --> 01:09:19,048 - Once I made that recording public 1596 01:09:19,048 --> 01:09:21,038 to the Lance Armstrong side, 1597 01:09:21,038 --> 01:09:23,705 saying, I think you've monkeyed with this witness, 1598 01:09:23,705 --> 01:09:25,782 literally all hell broke loose. 1599 01:09:25,782 --> 01:09:28,102 - I said, You lied, didn't you? 1600 01:09:28,102 --> 01:09:29,743 I just had this bad feeling. 1601 01:09:29,743 --> 01:09:31,932 You lied, didn't you, Stephanie? 1602 01:09:31,932 --> 01:09:34,349 Pat was told, if I make the company look bad, 1603 01:09:34,349 --> 01:09:35,512 that we'll both lose our jobs. 1604 01:09:35,512 --> 01:09:37,476 We can't afford to lose our jobs, Betsy. 1605 01:09:37,476 --> 01:09:39,133 We don't have college degrees. 1606 01:09:39,133 --> 01:09:40,186 Where are we going to go? 1607 01:09:40,186 --> 01:09:42,186 What are we going to do? 1608 01:09:43,567 --> 01:09:44,978 She made her bed. 1609 01:09:44,978 --> 01:09:46,811 She made her decision. 1610 01:09:51,388 --> 01:09:52,371 - [Narrator] A foul! 1611 01:09:52,371 --> 01:09:53,204 Wow! 1612 01:10:32,831 --> 01:10:36,164 - [Betsy] So, our relationship was over. 1613 01:10:37,855 --> 01:10:40,454 - If you have a doping offence, or you test positive, 1614 01:10:40,454 --> 01:10:42,266 it goes without saying that you're fired, 1615 01:10:42,266 --> 01:10:43,895 from all of your contracts, 1616 01:10:43,895 --> 01:10:46,221 not just the team, but there's 1617 01:10:46,221 --> 01:10:50,817 numerous contracts that I have that would all go away. 1618 01:10:50,817 --> 01:10:52,002 - [Judge] Sponsorship agreements, for example? 1619 01:10:52,002 --> 01:10:53,730 - All of them! 1620 01:10:53,730 --> 01:10:54,563 - And. 1621 01:10:55,655 --> 01:10:59,436 The faith of all the cancer survivors around the world, 1622 01:10:59,436 --> 01:11:03,911 so everything I do off of the bike would go away, too. 1623 01:11:03,911 --> 01:11:07,492 And don't think for a second I don't understand that. 1624 01:11:07,492 --> 01:11:09,814 - Either everyone who I had talked to, 1625 01:11:09,814 --> 01:11:12,174 and all the evidence I had gathered, and all the scientists 1626 01:11:12,174 --> 01:11:14,348 and other people were liars, 1627 01:11:14,348 --> 01:11:17,194 which I found frankly impossible, 1628 01:11:17,194 --> 01:11:20,425 or Lance approached basically a clinical sociopath. 1629 01:11:20,425 --> 01:11:23,062 Someone able to do wrong without remorse, 1630 01:11:23,062 --> 01:11:26,370 or care as to who they hurt in the process. 1631 01:11:26,370 --> 01:11:27,853 The former was unpalatable. 1632 01:11:27,853 --> 01:11:29,786 The latter was scary. 1633 01:11:29,786 --> 01:11:30,761 That we were litigating 1634 01:11:30,761 --> 01:11:33,879 with someone who would do anything to prevail. 1635 01:11:33,879 --> 01:11:36,872 - It's not about money for me. 1636 01:11:36,872 --> 01:11:38,319 Everything. 1637 01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:40,437 It's also about the faith that people have put in me 1638 01:11:40,437 --> 01:11:42,726 over the years, so all of that would be erased, 1639 01:11:42,726 --> 01:11:43,652 so I don't need it 1640 01:11:43,652 --> 01:11:44,558 to say in a contract, 1641 01:11:44,558 --> 01:11:46,877 You're fired if you test positive. 1642 01:11:46,877 --> 01:11:49,582 That's not as important 1643 01:11:49,582 --> 01:11:53,749 as losing the support of hundreds of millions of people. 1644 01:11:55,731 --> 01:11:57,356 That's an easy question. 1645 01:11:57,356 --> 01:11:58,641 - [Reed] The SCA case was settled 1646 01:11:58,641 --> 01:12:01,817 on really what it said in the contract. 1647 01:12:01,817 --> 01:12:04,167 - Lance has always followed the rules of the Tour de France 1648 01:12:04,167 --> 01:12:05,984 and he's won seven times. 1649 01:12:05,984 --> 01:12:08,624 Every time he wins, and he's a certified winner, 1650 01:12:08,624 --> 01:12:09,944 he's followed the rules 1651 01:12:09,944 --> 01:12:12,917 and Tailwind has had an obligation to pay him. 1652 01:12:12,917 --> 01:12:15,353 - After all, he was still officially 1653 01:12:15,353 --> 01:12:17,029 the Tour de France winner. 1654 01:12:17,029 --> 01:12:18,306 That was really the question and, 1655 01:12:18,306 --> 01:12:21,388 if SCA went forward with that case, 1656 01:12:21,388 --> 01:12:23,571 it would have been a big risk. 1657 01:12:23,571 --> 01:12:26,030 So they ended up paying Armstrong seven million 1658 01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:27,780 dollars to settle it. 1659 01:12:30,777 --> 01:12:32,027 - We just paid. 1660 01:12:32,984 --> 01:12:36,151 Lance slipped past the gates and said, 1661 01:12:37,635 --> 01:12:40,052 time to fold your tent, boys. 1662 01:12:42,637 --> 01:12:44,197 - [Announcer] Floyd Landis used to ride alongside 1663 01:12:44,197 --> 01:12:47,522 Lance Armstrong on the US Postal Service for three years. 1664 01:12:47,522 --> 01:12:51,689 They've split up in a little bit of a disenchantment. 1665 01:12:52,694 --> 01:12:54,861 Well, Floyd Landis has launched an attack. 1666 01:12:54,861 --> 01:12:58,379 He's trying to ride all of these men off. 1667 01:12:58,379 --> 01:13:00,546 Surely with eight minutes. 1668 01:13:02,138 --> 01:13:05,226 He is one of the great riders of this race once again. 1669 01:13:05,226 --> 01:13:07,301 This is one of the most incredible performances 1670 01:13:07,301 --> 01:13:08,400 I've seen. 1671 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:09,233 It's fine. 1672 01:13:10,767 --> 01:13:12,293 - [Reporter] Is it nice to come out of the shadows 1673 01:13:12,293 --> 01:13:14,607 of Armstrong in such a golden style? 1674 01:13:14,607 --> 01:13:15,440 - Yeah! 1675 01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:16,972 Again, I've said many times 1676 01:13:16,972 --> 01:13:21,848 I was one of the lucky ones to be part of his seven wins. 1677 01:13:21,848 --> 01:13:24,098 (applause) 1678 01:13:25,695 --> 01:13:27,158 - Yet another doping scandal hits 1679 01:13:27,158 --> 01:13:28,919 the very top of the Tour de France. 1680 01:13:28,919 --> 01:13:30,440 - [Reporter] Floyd, right here! 1681 01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:31,274 - Yes, the winner 1682 01:13:31,274 --> 01:13:33,604 of this year's prestigious cycling race, Floyd Landis, 1683 01:13:33,604 --> 01:13:36,143 has tested positive for testosterone. 1684 01:13:36,143 --> 01:13:38,640 It's the first time in the Tour de France's 1685 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:39,869 history that a winner. 1686 01:13:39,869 --> 01:13:40,702 - When I look back now, 1687 01:13:40,702 --> 01:13:43,486 nobody on that team was ever positive. 1688 01:13:43,486 --> 01:13:44,434 No positives. 1689 01:13:44,434 --> 01:13:45,652 The moment they left, 1690 01:13:45,652 --> 01:13:47,906 every rider that was a competitor, 1691 01:13:47,906 --> 01:13:52,073 that Armstrong didn't like, boom, they're positive. 1692 01:13:54,593 --> 01:13:56,401 - [Announcer] Remember, it's not a race. 1693 01:13:56,401 --> 01:13:58,129 - It's been an amazing year. 1694 01:13:58,129 --> 01:14:00,617 I stood up here last year and everybody at their table 1695 01:14:00,617 --> 01:14:04,273 had little pieces of yellow silicon sitting there. 1696 01:14:04,273 --> 01:14:08,053 And somewhere along the way, 50 million of them were sold. 1697 01:14:08,053 --> 01:14:10,528 (cheering) 1698 01:14:10,528 --> 01:14:11,733 - Woo! 1699 01:14:11,733 --> 01:14:13,441 - [Reporter] What showed up in your sample? 1700 01:14:13,441 --> 01:14:14,274 - Nothing. 1701 01:14:16,852 --> 01:14:18,532 - Were you doping at the Tour de France? 1702 01:14:18,532 --> 01:14:19,365 - No. 1703 01:14:20,231 --> 01:14:24,442 - I told Frankie, I can't believe nobody's ever asked you 1704 01:14:24,442 --> 01:14:28,264 whether or not you've ever done anything or tried anything. 1705 01:14:28,264 --> 01:14:31,322 But if somebody does, I'm not going to be one of the wives 1706 01:14:31,322 --> 01:14:32,956 who stand by you as you lie. 1707 01:14:32,956 --> 01:14:34,362 I'm not going to do it. 1708 01:14:34,362 --> 01:14:35,929 - I raced for 12 years as a professional. 1709 01:14:35,929 --> 01:14:39,159 I used EPO at a at a certain moment. 1710 01:14:39,159 --> 01:14:41,404 - There are many people out there that worry 1711 01:14:41,404 --> 01:14:42,267 whether they have cancer 1712 01:14:42,267 --> 01:14:45,140 in their families or not that cancer is going to get them. 1713 01:14:45,140 --> 01:14:47,244 It's the scariest disease there is. 1714 01:14:47,244 --> 01:14:48,585 And we think we're making a difference. 1715 01:14:48,585 --> 01:14:50,097 - I agree. 1716 01:14:50,097 --> 01:14:51,843 - One of my biggest accomplishments 1717 01:14:51,843 --> 01:14:54,190 was raising my son Lance. 1718 01:14:54,190 --> 01:14:58,107 I am so proud to be the mom of Lance Armstrong. 1719 01:15:00,420 --> 01:15:02,563 - We will lose more than 560,000 1720 01:15:02,563 --> 01:15:04,693 Americans to cancer this year. 1721 01:15:04,693 --> 01:15:06,295 - [Reporter] Landis was stripped of his title 1722 01:15:06,295 --> 01:15:08,979 and banned from the sport for two years. 1723 01:15:08,979 --> 01:15:11,167 - It's time for a government that wages a war against cancer 1724 01:15:11,167 --> 01:15:15,141 as aggressive as the war cancer wages against us. 1725 01:15:15,141 --> 01:15:18,932 - We will beat this dreaded disease, and we will win. 1726 01:15:18,932 --> 01:15:21,388 (cheering) 1727 01:15:21,388 --> 01:15:22,221 - [Floyd] The longer it went on, 1728 01:15:22,221 --> 01:15:24,620 the more impressed I am that Lance 1729 01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:26,017 could maintain a story like 1730 01:15:26,017 --> 01:15:29,479 that that was nearly 100% fabricated. 1731 01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,646 And still live such an obnoxious life. 1732 01:15:33,936 --> 01:15:35,903 And not even try to hide it. 1733 01:15:35,903 --> 01:15:40,070 I mean, I'm a guy that he's never really even met. 1734 01:15:46,886 --> 01:15:51,134 - Mr President, you've been a long-time friend of mine. 1735 01:15:51,134 --> 01:15:51,967 Thank you. 1736 01:15:51,967 --> 01:15:53,485 Thank you for being a friend and for allowing us 1737 01:15:53,485 --> 01:15:57,235 to be here to talk about this critical issue. 1738 01:15:58,253 --> 01:15:59,337 As some of you may or may not know, 1739 01:15:59,337 --> 01:16:02,504 I've decided to race my bicycle again. 1740 01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:05,929 (applause) 1741 01:16:07,944 --> 01:16:10,370 - Lance came back, because he couldn't stay away. 1742 01:16:10,370 --> 01:16:12,211 - Please welcome seven-time 1743 01:16:12,211 --> 01:16:14,801 Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong. 1744 01:16:14,801 --> 01:16:16,378 (cheering) 1745 01:16:16,378 --> 01:16:18,510 - Why couldn't he stay away? 1746 01:16:18,510 --> 01:16:19,961 Because it's like 1747 01:16:19,961 --> 01:16:23,861 the oldest theme in Hollywood that you've ever come across. 1748 01:16:23,861 --> 01:16:27,778 The jewel thief, the bank robber, the assassin. 1749 01:16:29,974 --> 01:16:31,805 They do their jobs brilliantly. 1750 01:16:31,805 --> 01:16:33,405 They win every time. 1751 01:16:33,405 --> 01:16:35,675 They kill all the people they should kill, 1752 01:16:35,675 --> 01:16:37,630 they get all the jewels they should get, 1753 01:16:37,630 --> 01:16:40,020 they get all the money from the bank they should get. 1754 01:16:40,020 --> 01:16:43,187 Somebody comes and says, one more job. 1755 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,690 Just one more little turn of the carousel. 1756 01:16:50,690 --> 01:16:52,523 And they can't resist. 1757 01:16:54,332 --> 01:16:58,499 Because that was them living like they'd never lived before 1758 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,300 or they will never live again. 1759 01:17:04,333 --> 01:17:07,120 - I cannot guarantee a victory this time, I'm not. 1760 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:07,953 What? 1761 01:17:07,953 --> 01:17:10,203 - Please stop your whining. 1762 01:17:15,538 --> 01:17:18,438 - I'd made several requests to interview Lance, 1763 01:17:18,438 --> 01:17:19,630 especially when he announced 1764 01:17:19,630 --> 01:17:21,633 that he was going to be different this time with the media, 1765 01:17:21,633 --> 01:17:23,380 that he was going to be open and transparent 1766 01:17:23,380 --> 01:17:24,213 and there wasn't going to be 1767 01:17:24,213 --> 01:17:25,815 any of the stuff that had gone on before 1768 01:17:25,815 --> 01:17:28,119 where he had been very, very difficult. 1769 01:17:28,119 --> 01:17:29,536 And I baited him. 1770 01:17:31,362 --> 01:17:35,529 Lance, we've spoken recently about the return of Ivan Basso 1771 01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:39,917 and Floyd Landis after their suspensions. 1772 01:17:40,833 --> 01:17:42,309 What is it about these dopers 1773 01:17:42,309 --> 01:17:45,360 that you seem to admire so much? 1774 01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:46,193 - Excuse me? 1775 01:17:46,193 --> 01:17:47,026 What is your name again? 1776 01:17:47,026 --> 01:17:48,140 - [Paul] My name is Paul Kimmage, 1777 01:17:48,140 --> 01:17:49,573 I work for The Sunday Times. 1778 01:17:49,573 --> 01:17:52,572 I asked for an interview, but I didn't get one. 1779 01:17:52,572 --> 01:17:53,564 - Right, and just as a little preface, 1780 01:17:53,564 --> 01:17:55,684 I might just clear up one thing. 1781 01:17:55,684 --> 01:17:56,567 The reason you didn't get it, 1782 01:17:56,567 --> 01:17:58,286 Paul, I wanted to make sure that was you, 1783 01:17:58,286 --> 01:18:01,366 because I don't know what you look like. 1784 01:18:01,366 --> 01:18:03,283 When I decided to come back 1785 01:18:03,283 --> 01:18:06,863 for what I think is a very noble reason, 1786 01:18:06,863 --> 01:18:10,237 you said, Folks, the cancer has 1787 01:18:10,237 --> 01:18:12,640 been in remission for four years, 1788 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,307 but our cancer has now returned. 1789 01:18:16,582 --> 01:18:17,499 Meaning me. 1790 01:18:19,022 --> 01:18:21,332 I am here to fight this disease. 1791 01:18:21,332 --> 01:18:23,400 I am here so that I don't have to deal with it, 1792 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:24,699 you don't have to deal with it, 1793 01:18:24,699 --> 01:18:25,789 none of us have to deal with it, 1794 01:18:25,789 --> 01:18:28,244 my children don't have to deal with it. 1795 01:18:28,244 --> 01:18:30,497 But yet you said that I am the cancer. 1796 01:18:30,497 --> 01:18:32,793 So, I think it goes without saying, 1797 01:18:32,793 --> 01:18:36,120 no, we're not going to sit down and do an interview. 1798 01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,313 And I don't think anybody in this room 1799 01:18:38,313 --> 01:18:40,140 would sit down for that interview. 1800 01:18:40,140 --> 01:18:42,242 You are not worth the chair that you're sitting on 1801 01:18:42,242 --> 01:18:43,618 with a statement like that. 1802 01:18:43,618 --> 01:18:47,785 With a disease that touches everybody around the world. 1803 01:19:07,786 --> 01:19:09,847 - [Interviewer] Getting back to the Tour Of California. 1804 01:19:09,847 --> 01:19:12,097 (laughter) 1805 01:19:16,685 --> 01:19:18,621 - [Announcer] Armstrong, shades of his seven victories 1806 01:19:18,621 --> 01:19:19,590 in the Tour de France, 1807 01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:21,373 he's got happy memories of the Pyrenees 1808 01:19:21,373 --> 01:19:24,483 and they're all coming back now. 1809 01:19:24,483 --> 01:19:28,755 - When Floyd has lost all his money, fighting his ban, 1810 01:19:28,755 --> 01:19:30,571 and he calls up Johan Bruyneel and says, 1811 01:19:30,571 --> 01:19:32,206 Look, will you get me on your team? 1812 01:19:32,206 --> 01:19:33,995 I need a place. 1813 01:19:33,995 --> 01:19:37,946 And Lance and Bruyneel, both kindred spirits 1814 01:19:37,946 --> 01:19:41,504 in terms of having no emotional intelligence, 1815 01:19:41,504 --> 01:19:43,914 decide they don't want to have anything to do with Floyd. 1816 01:19:43,914 --> 01:19:46,502 He's just a loser, he got caught. 1817 01:19:46,502 --> 01:19:49,286 They don't realize that they're 1818 01:19:49,286 --> 01:19:53,121 they're actually handling a ticking bomb here. 1819 01:19:53,121 --> 01:19:57,278 Floyd has offered them the chance to diffuse the bomb. 1820 01:19:57,278 --> 01:19:59,869 To just take out that little pin or whatever, 1821 01:19:59,869 --> 01:20:04,497 give him a little, small job in the team, everything is OK. 1822 01:20:04,497 --> 01:20:06,438 They tell him to get lost 1823 01:20:06,438 --> 01:20:10,294 and the bomb blows up in their faces. 1824 01:20:10,294 --> 01:20:11,628 - And when he saw Armstrong, 1825 01:20:11,628 --> 01:20:13,720 who he knew from the first day 1826 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,659 he'd entered the sport was doped, 1827 01:20:15,659 --> 01:20:17,834 who had shown Floyd how to dope 1828 01:20:17,834 --> 01:20:20,451 and all he sees is this fucking shit everywhere, 1829 01:20:20,451 --> 01:20:22,068 hope rides again. 1830 01:20:22,068 --> 01:20:23,193 The Great God. 1831 01:20:23,193 --> 01:20:25,911 The Jesus of cycling is coming back. 1832 01:20:25,911 --> 01:20:29,512 And all the spectators are getting down on bended knee 1833 01:20:29,512 --> 01:20:31,249 and he's thinking, 1834 01:20:31,249 --> 01:20:32,537 This is not right. 1835 01:20:32,537 --> 01:20:34,031 This sticks in my throat. 1836 01:20:34,031 --> 01:20:37,031 I fucking am going to sort this out. 1837 01:20:38,211 --> 01:20:39,071 - [Floyd] At least now I've confirmed 1838 01:20:39,071 --> 01:20:41,033 that there's nothing else to lose. 1839 01:20:41,033 --> 01:20:41,866 Nothing. 1840 01:20:41,866 --> 01:20:43,728 There's nothing in it for me in cycling. 1841 01:20:43,728 --> 01:20:44,705 There's no team for me. 1842 01:20:44,705 --> 01:20:45,538 There's. 1843 01:20:45,538 --> 01:20:46,371 No matter what I do, it's going 1844 01:20:46,371 --> 01:20:48,435 to be worse and worse until I leave. 1845 01:20:48,435 --> 01:20:50,852 Eventually, the levee breaks. 1846 01:20:54,546 --> 01:20:58,033 - Tonight, Landis and others once close to Lance 1847 01:20:58,033 --> 01:21:01,667 go on camera for the first time for our special report 1848 01:21:01,667 --> 01:21:02,908 Did Lance Cheat? 1849 01:21:02,908 --> 01:21:04,093 - At some point people have to tell 1850 01:21:04,093 --> 01:21:08,115 their kids that Santa Claus isn't real. 1851 01:21:08,115 --> 01:21:12,682 I hate to be the guy to do it, but it's just not real. 1852 01:21:12,682 --> 01:21:15,808 - You're saying Lance Armstrong is a liar? 1853 01:21:15,808 --> 01:21:19,558 - Yes, I suppose if that's the question, yes. 1854 01:21:20,636 --> 01:21:22,900 - We have somebody that's been under oath several times 1855 01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:24,726 with a completely different version. 1856 01:21:24,726 --> 01:21:26,097 You have somebody that has written a book 1857 01:21:26,097 --> 01:21:27,615 with a completely different version. 1858 01:21:27,615 --> 01:21:29,097 You have somebody that took 1859 01:21:29,097 --> 01:21:30,638 people's money for their defense, 1860 01:21:30,638 --> 01:21:31,943 some would say a million dollars, 1861 01:21:31,943 --> 01:21:33,362 with a completely different version. 1862 01:21:33,362 --> 01:21:36,007 He said he has nothing, he's got no proof. 1863 01:21:36,007 --> 01:21:38,040 It's his word versus ours. 1864 01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,617 We like our word, we like where we stand, 1865 01:21:39,617 --> 01:21:41,012 we like our credibility. 1866 01:21:41,012 --> 01:21:42,390 - As Lance Armstrong prepares 1867 01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:44,478 for his final weekend at the Tour de France, 1868 01:21:44,478 --> 01:21:47,857 a federal investigation into alleged doping by him 1869 01:21:47,857 --> 01:21:52,093 and his former team threatens to tarnish his golden image. 1870 01:21:52,093 --> 01:21:53,140 The investigation was sparked 1871 01:21:53,140 --> 01:21:55,052 by allegations by former friend 1872 01:21:55,052 --> 01:21:57,219 and teammate Floyd Landis. 1873 01:21:58,148 --> 01:22:02,980 - At the end of July, I got a phone call from Jeff Novitzky 1874 01:22:02,980 --> 01:22:05,205 and one of the first questions I asked him was, 1875 01:22:05,205 --> 01:22:07,509 What's taken you so long to call me? 1876 01:22:07,509 --> 01:22:09,299 - It was scary, because that whole, 1877 01:22:09,299 --> 01:22:10,588 This is Jeff Novitzky, federal agent. 1878 01:22:10,588 --> 01:22:14,233 It put the holy terror of God in you. 1879 01:22:14,233 --> 01:22:18,067 - Novitzky was able to bring these guys into a room. 1880 01:22:18,067 --> 01:22:20,414 He would open up his coat and, 1881 01:22:20,414 --> 01:22:22,626 Oh, sorry I didn't mean you to see my gun. 1882 01:22:22,626 --> 01:22:23,811 That's what they do. 1883 01:22:23,811 --> 01:22:26,091 And then he takes his sheriff's badge out, 1884 01:22:26,091 --> 01:22:29,542 drops it on the table, in case you forget that he's a cop, 1885 01:22:29,542 --> 01:22:30,882 and then he says to you, 1886 01:22:30,882 --> 01:22:33,235 You know, if you lie to us, 1887 01:22:33,235 --> 01:22:34,652 it'll be perjury. 1888 01:22:35,767 --> 01:22:37,999 And we will know you're lying to us, 1889 01:22:37,999 --> 01:22:40,611 because of all we know about this case. 1890 01:22:40,611 --> 01:22:42,348 And then we will go after you 1891 01:22:42,348 --> 01:22:45,348 and you'll end up doing prison time. 1892 01:22:47,934 --> 01:22:50,126 - A subpoena means you come in. 1893 01:22:50,126 --> 01:22:51,402 There's no question. 1894 01:22:51,402 --> 01:22:54,913 You go in and you tell the truth in front of the Grand Jury. 1895 01:22:54,913 --> 01:22:56,594 No lawyer by your side. 1896 01:22:56,594 --> 01:22:58,520 - I probably told them more stuff, more detail, 1897 01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,428 than what I had revealed to anybody else before. 1898 01:23:01,428 --> 01:23:02,378 - You know, the information kind of 1899 01:23:02,378 --> 01:23:04,716 started trickling out of me 1900 01:23:04,716 --> 01:23:08,305 and then, after 15 minutes or so, it just poured out of me. 1901 01:23:08,305 --> 01:23:09,210 I don't think they were expecting 1902 01:23:09,210 --> 01:23:12,210 any kind of testimony like they got. 1903 01:23:15,075 --> 01:23:17,213 Lance Armstrong didn't appreciate that. 1904 01:23:17,213 --> 01:23:20,479 A few months later, I was out at dinner with some friends 1905 01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,782 and he must have had eyes on me, 1906 01:23:22,782 --> 01:23:26,070 because he had people contact him 1907 01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:28,102 and let him know where I was, 1908 01:23:28,102 --> 01:23:30,534 and he, you know, approached me, 1909 01:23:30,534 --> 01:23:32,784 and tried to intimidate me. 1910 01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,796 He said he was going to make my life a living hell 1911 01:23:35,796 --> 01:23:39,713 both in the courtroom and out of the courtroom. 1912 01:23:42,064 --> 01:23:45,230 - [Betsy] Lance was really pissed that Greg questioned why 1913 01:23:45,230 --> 01:23:46,642 he was working with Ferrari. 1914 01:23:46,642 --> 01:23:48,893 - [Tyler] He helped call the shots. 1915 01:23:48,893 --> 01:23:51,044 Yes, he doped himself. 1916 01:23:51,044 --> 01:23:52,724 - [Announcer] If he didn't win the Tour, 1917 01:23:52,724 --> 01:23:54,835 someone else that was doped would have won the Tour. 1918 01:23:54,835 --> 01:23:57,568 - I really felt happy at that moment, because I thought, 1919 01:23:57,568 --> 01:23:58,577 that's it. 1920 01:23:58,577 --> 01:24:00,077 There is no way back now 1921 01:24:00,077 --> 01:24:02,458 because Floyd had given chapter and verse 1922 01:24:02,458 --> 01:24:06,597 and I thought the tide was now irreversible. 1923 01:24:06,597 --> 01:24:07,430 - [Floyd] Lance Armstrong handed me 1924 01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:09,517 some testosterone patches. 1925 01:24:09,517 --> 01:24:11,161 It's just a little patch that you put on your skin. 1926 01:24:11,161 --> 01:24:12,994 - They can't say that. 1927 01:24:14,892 --> 01:24:16,741 Nobody is that conniving. 1928 01:24:16,741 --> 01:24:18,621 Nobody is that good, 1929 01:24:18,621 --> 01:24:19,698 to try and get away with something 1930 01:24:19,698 --> 01:24:22,115 for 17, 18, 19 years, no way. 1931 01:24:24,074 --> 01:24:25,698 No. 1932 01:24:25,698 --> 01:24:29,165 - If you think he was facing jail, 1933 01:24:29,165 --> 01:24:32,162 he had to have been scared to death. 1934 01:24:32,162 --> 01:24:34,972 He called every single famous, 1935 01:24:34,972 --> 01:24:38,472 political favor he could possibly pull in. 1936 01:24:41,206 --> 01:24:42,968 - I had just woken up, I'd switched on my phone. 1937 01:24:42,968 --> 01:24:47,135 My brother had direct messaged me on Twitter and saying, 1938 01:24:49,111 --> 01:24:52,194 WTF, the Feds' case has been dropped. 1939 01:24:54,165 --> 01:24:56,582 (rock music) 1940 01:24:58,215 --> 01:25:00,048 - When you want to give news 1941 01:25:00,048 --> 01:25:02,136 that you don't want anybody to notice, 1942 01:25:02,136 --> 01:25:04,665 you put it out at a time when everybody is distracted 1943 01:25:04,665 --> 01:25:05,869 by somebody else. 1944 01:25:05,869 --> 01:25:08,938 This news was dropped late on a Friday afternoon 1945 01:25:08,938 --> 01:25:13,105 on Super Bowl weekend, when America goes into party mode. 1946 01:25:15,223 --> 01:25:18,493 And Lance Armstrong, for one weekend, 1947 01:25:18,493 --> 01:25:20,326 ceases to be relevant. 1948 01:25:21,454 --> 01:25:24,186 And if ever the timing of something suggested 1949 01:25:24,186 --> 01:25:28,353 political corruption or impropriety, it just stank. 1950 01:25:31,323 --> 01:25:33,818 - Obama was running for re election, 1951 01:25:33,818 --> 01:25:35,672 and it wouldn't have looked good to go 1952 01:25:35,672 --> 01:25:39,839 after the American hero who still had a lot of supporters. 1953 01:25:42,134 --> 01:25:44,122 - More Americans entered the workforce. 1954 01:25:44,122 --> 01:25:46,723 - It goes to show you the power that Armstrong has. 1955 01:25:46,723 --> 01:25:49,554 He got a federal investigation shut down, 1956 01:25:49,554 --> 01:25:51,862 despite having all that information out there 1957 01:25:51,862 --> 01:25:54,529 and all that evidence out there. 1958 01:25:56,585 --> 01:26:00,169 - I was not proud to be an American at the time. 1959 01:26:00,169 --> 01:26:03,694 I was so disappointed in the whole system, you know. 1960 01:26:03,694 --> 01:26:07,133 That, you know, this corruption can happen and, you know, 1961 01:26:07,133 --> 01:26:09,050 favours can be granted. 1962 01:26:17,745 --> 01:26:19,902 - Travis Tygart picks up the baton. 1963 01:26:19,902 --> 01:26:22,067 He says, I'm going to ask all these cyclists 1964 01:26:22,067 --> 01:26:24,129 to come and be interviewed by me. 1965 01:26:24,129 --> 01:26:26,923 - This was not just Lance Armstrong 1966 01:26:26,923 --> 01:26:29,078 getting away with doping for a few years. 1967 01:26:29,078 --> 01:26:31,603 This was something by far bigger and greater 1968 01:26:31,603 --> 01:26:33,656 than just that, 1969 01:26:33,656 --> 01:26:35,964 they took it to an entirely different level 1970 01:26:35,964 --> 01:26:40,458 and no other team, right, won seven Tour de Frances. 1971 01:26:40,458 --> 01:26:41,991 And all the glory and all the profits 1972 01:26:41,991 --> 01:26:45,842 and all the sponsorships that went along with that. 1973 01:26:45,842 --> 01:26:47,153 He was the boss. 1974 01:26:47,153 --> 01:26:48,846 The evidence is clear. 1975 01:26:48,846 --> 01:26:53,271 He was one of the ring leaders of this conspiracy 1976 01:26:53,271 --> 01:26:55,194 that pulled off this grand heist, 1977 01:26:55,194 --> 01:26:58,309 using tens of millions of taxpayer dollars, 1978 01:26:58,309 --> 01:26:59,893 that defrauded millions 1979 01:26:59,893 --> 01:27:03,393 of sports fans and his fellow competitors. 1980 01:27:04,670 --> 01:27:06,231 - Lance immediately went on the attack, 1981 01:27:06,231 --> 01:27:07,442 immediately sued them in his 1982 01:27:07,442 --> 01:27:08,932 home court and immediately started saying, 1983 01:27:08,932 --> 01:27:12,357 You saw it as a terrible, bad, kangaroo court organization. 1984 01:27:12,357 --> 01:27:14,333 I thought, Here we go again. 1985 01:27:14,333 --> 01:27:15,655 He's going to bloody them up. 1986 01:27:15,655 --> 01:27:16,904 He's going to walk away from this. 1987 01:27:16,904 --> 01:27:19,015 - Good morning, everybody, 1988 01:27:19,015 --> 01:27:20,190 welcome to the Team RadioShack bus. 1989 01:27:20,190 --> 01:27:21,792 - Almost at every turn, 1990 01:27:21,792 --> 01:27:23,439 the lobbyists for Armstrong 1991 01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:24,593 and his criminal defense attorneys 1992 01:27:24,593 --> 01:27:28,542 and others wanted to bankrupt us and take us down. 1993 01:27:28,542 --> 01:27:29,383 - [Lance] The boss. 1994 01:27:29,383 --> 01:27:30,216 - How are you? 1995 01:27:30,216 --> 01:27:31,457 Good morning. 1996 01:27:31,457 --> 01:27:33,425 - Whether it was claiming to the world media 1997 01:27:33,425 --> 01:27:35,302 we had not authority or 1998 01:27:35,302 --> 01:27:38,268 we were on witch hunts or the jurisdiction 1999 01:27:38,268 --> 01:27:40,531 didn't rest with us, 2000 01:27:40,531 --> 01:27:42,334 there were numerous efforts by them 2001 01:27:42,334 --> 01:27:45,116 to ensure this information never got out. 2002 01:27:45,116 --> 01:27:46,153 - Your investigations showed 2003 01:27:46,153 --> 01:27:47,879 that there were personal threats 2004 01:27:47,879 --> 01:27:52,305 made against riders who had decided to come clean. 2005 01:27:52,305 --> 01:27:54,808 I wonder if there were any threats against you? 2006 01:27:54,808 --> 01:27:55,981 - There were, Scott. 2007 01:27:55,981 --> 01:27:57,999 - These threats came from where? 2008 01:27:57,999 --> 01:28:00,275 - E-mails, letters. 2009 01:28:00,275 --> 01:28:01,202 - [Scott] Anonymous? 2010 01:28:01,202 --> 01:28:02,420 - Yeah. 2011 01:28:02,420 --> 01:28:04,806 - Can you remember any of the lines 2012 01:28:04,806 --> 01:28:07,473 from the e-mails or the letters? 2013 01:28:10,135 --> 01:28:14,453 - The worst was probably putting a bullet in my head. 2014 01:28:14,453 --> 01:28:15,650 - Did you take that seriously? 2015 01:28:15,650 --> 01:28:16,733 - Absolutely. 2016 01:28:19,083 --> 01:28:21,455 Turned it over to the FBI to investigate it. 2017 01:28:21,455 --> 01:28:23,668 Which they're doing. 2018 01:28:23,668 --> 01:28:26,635 (cheering) 2019 01:28:26,635 --> 01:28:27,733 - [Announcer] A new report from the 2020 01:28:27,733 --> 01:28:30,236 US Anti-Doping Agency reveals. 2021 01:28:30,236 --> 01:28:32,039 - Just months after federal prosecutors 2022 01:28:32,039 --> 01:28:35,719 dropped their investigation, the US Anti-Doping Agency says 2023 01:28:35,719 --> 01:28:38,344 they now have proof that the seven-time winner 2024 01:28:38,344 --> 01:28:39,479 of the Tour de France. 2025 01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:40,616 - From our end, it was never personal. 2026 01:28:40,616 --> 01:28:42,927 In fact, you know, we gave him the same opportunity 2027 01:28:42,927 --> 01:28:44,553 to come in and be part of the solution. 2028 01:28:44,553 --> 01:28:46,766 - [Announcer] 1,000 pages of evidence 2029 01:28:46,766 --> 01:28:50,038 provided by the agency include first-hand accounts, 2030 01:28:50,038 --> 01:28:51,788 scientific documents. 2031 01:28:55,874 --> 01:28:58,185 - Lance believed that he was bulletproof, 2032 01:28:58,185 --> 01:28:59,921 that he was invincible, 2033 01:28:59,921 --> 01:29:02,251 that they could bring down the Floyds, 2034 01:29:02,251 --> 01:29:05,066 the Tylers, they could bring down anybody. 2035 01:29:05,066 --> 01:29:06,645 But you can't bring down me, 2036 01:29:06,645 --> 01:29:10,401 because I am too big to be brought down. 2037 01:29:10,401 --> 01:29:11,658 - I thought in light of recent events, 2038 01:29:11,658 --> 01:29:13,976 I ought to reintroduce myself. 2039 01:29:13,976 --> 01:29:15,774 My name is Lance Armstrong. 2040 01:29:15,774 --> 01:29:17,187 I'm a cancer survivor. 2041 01:29:17,187 --> 01:29:18,128 I've been asked to come up here 2042 01:29:18,128 --> 01:29:20,695 and talk about my story of survivorship. 2043 01:29:20,695 --> 01:29:22,728 I'm a father of five and, 2044 01:29:22,728 --> 01:29:26,936 yes, I won the Tour de France seven times. 2045 01:29:26,936 --> 01:29:29,186 (applause) 2046 01:29:30,452 --> 01:29:32,968 - UCI will ban Lance Armstrong from cycling 2047 01:29:32,968 --> 01:29:37,135 and UCI will strip him of his seven Tour de France titles. 2048 01:29:38,712 --> 01:29:42,045 Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling. 2049 01:29:44,674 --> 01:29:46,555 I don't have anything to worry about. 2050 01:29:46,555 --> 01:29:48,592 - Nobody needs to cry for me. 2051 01:29:48,592 --> 01:29:50,347 I'm going to be great. 2052 01:29:50,347 --> 01:29:51,480 - [Reporter] Are you doing something to take 2053 01:29:51,480 --> 01:29:53,196 your mind off the news this week? 2054 01:29:53,196 --> 01:29:57,273 - I'm more at ease now than I have been in 10 years. 2055 01:29:57,273 --> 01:30:01,573 - What surprised me was how quickly it fell apart. 2056 01:30:01,573 --> 01:30:03,542 - [Reporter] This was a day we could not have imagined. 2057 01:30:03,542 --> 01:30:05,583 - Nike has fired Lance Armstrong 2058 01:30:05,583 --> 01:30:08,937 over allegations he was doping during races. 2059 01:30:08,937 --> 01:30:13,100 - And it first hit me when Nike announced they were fleeing. 2060 01:30:13,100 --> 01:30:14,338 - [Announcer] Over the last ten years, 2061 01:30:14,338 --> 01:30:17,627 he's made more than an estimated 100 million dollars. 2062 01:30:17,627 --> 01:30:19,270 - [Lance] What am I on? 2063 01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:22,743 I'm on my bike, busting my ass six hours a day. 2064 01:30:22,743 --> 01:30:23,576 What are you on? 2065 01:30:23,576 --> 01:30:26,948 - And then, almost in rapid succession, everyone left him. 2066 01:30:26,948 --> 01:30:29,357 - [Announcer] Anheuser-Busch, FRS sports drinks, 2067 01:30:29,357 --> 01:30:31,561 Trek bicycles and Giro helmets 2068 01:30:31,561 --> 01:30:34,020 all dropped today like dominoes. 2069 01:30:34,020 --> 01:30:38,916 - And suddenly, in a matter of days, it collapsed. 2070 01:30:38,916 --> 01:30:42,146 - Oh, my golly, the category tonight. 2071 01:30:42,146 --> 01:30:43,218 Paul, take a guess what you 2072 01:30:43,218 --> 01:30:44,929 think the category might be tonight. 2073 01:30:44,929 --> 01:30:45,762 - Well, could it? 2074 01:30:45,762 --> 01:30:46,825 Something about Lance Armstrong? 2075 01:30:46,825 --> 01:30:48,509 - Nice going. 2076 01:30:48,509 --> 01:30:49,951 Nice going! 2077 01:30:49,951 --> 01:30:52,172 Honest to God, who cares about cy? 2078 01:30:52,172 --> 01:30:53,005 No-one. 2079 01:31:02,962 --> 01:31:04,351 - [Frankie] We were pulling into the driveway and, 2080 01:31:04,351 --> 01:31:07,738 right when we pulled into the driveway, Betsy's phone rings 2081 01:31:07,738 --> 01:31:10,997 and Betsy turned to me and she goes, It's Lance. 2082 01:31:10,997 --> 01:31:12,496 - And our daughter in the back said, 2083 01:31:12,496 --> 01:31:13,723 Is it really him? 2084 01:31:13,723 --> 01:31:15,612 Is it really him? 2085 01:31:15,612 --> 01:31:17,149 - He apologized. 2086 01:31:17,149 --> 01:31:18,880 Apologized for everything he'd done. 2087 01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:19,972 And I said, You know, it must be. 2088 01:31:19,972 --> 01:31:21,853 It's got to be a tough phone call 2089 01:31:21,853 --> 01:31:23,318 for you to make. 2090 01:31:23,318 --> 01:31:26,239 I said, You know, I appreciate it, and I said, 2091 01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:27,237 I'm sure you're going through hell 2092 01:31:27,237 --> 01:31:29,906 for the last month and a half. 2093 01:31:29,906 --> 01:31:30,939 I said, But no. 2094 01:31:30,939 --> 01:31:31,908 That I'd been going through hell 2095 01:31:31,908 --> 01:31:34,133 for ten years with this shit. 2096 01:31:34,133 --> 01:31:38,300 - The Lance in that phone call was a Lance I've never, ever. 2097 01:31:43,825 --> 01:31:45,922 It was a Lance I didn't know. 2098 01:31:45,922 --> 01:31:49,005 He really, genuinely seemed contrite. 2099 01:31:53,934 --> 01:31:55,434 And he apologized. 2100 01:31:57,305 --> 01:31:59,744 He said he had done a lot 2101 01:31:59,744 --> 01:32:03,561 of bad things to a lot of good people. 2102 01:32:03,561 --> 01:32:04,552 I said, Lance, you better 2103 01:32:04,552 --> 01:32:07,802 admit that that hospital room happened. 2104 01:32:09,205 --> 01:32:12,729 - [Announcer] Now the worldwide exclusive 2105 01:32:12,729 --> 01:32:14,896 Oprah and Lance Armstrong. 2106 01:32:17,088 --> 01:32:18,261 - So let's start with the questions 2107 01:32:18,261 --> 01:32:19,640 that people around the world 2108 01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,213 have been waiting for you to answer 2109 01:32:21,213 --> 01:32:24,287 and for now I'd just like a yes or no. 2110 01:32:24,287 --> 01:32:26,489 Did you ever take banned substances 2111 01:32:26,489 --> 01:32:28,286 to enhance your cycling performance? 2112 01:32:28,286 --> 01:32:29,119 - Yes. 2113 01:32:30,925 --> 01:32:34,836 - [Oprah] Yes or no, was one of those banned substances EPO? 2114 01:32:34,836 --> 01:32:35,694 - Yes. 2115 01:32:35,694 --> 01:32:37,557 - I was physically sick. 2116 01:32:37,557 --> 01:32:39,223 - Did you ever blood dope 2117 01:32:39,223 --> 01:32:40,914 or use blood transfusions 2118 01:32:40,914 --> 01:32:42,675 to enhance your cycling performance? 2119 01:32:42,675 --> 01:32:43,508 - Yes. 2120 01:32:43,508 --> 01:32:45,025 - It was sort of like an old Mike Tyson fight, 2121 01:32:45,025 --> 01:32:46,716 that by the time you sat down in your ringside seat, 2122 01:32:46,716 --> 01:32:49,488 he'd already knocked the guy out and it was over. 2123 01:32:49,488 --> 01:32:50,486 - Did you ever use any 2124 01:32:50,486 --> 01:32:53,937 other banned substances like testosterone, 2125 01:32:53,937 --> 01:32:56,667 cortisone or human growth hormone? 2126 01:32:56,667 --> 01:32:57,726 - Yes. 2127 01:32:57,726 --> 01:32:59,783 - I was, like, holy shit. 2128 01:32:59,783 --> 01:33:00,616 Wow. 2129 01:33:01,592 --> 01:33:02,425 Wow! 2130 01:33:05,028 --> 01:33:09,459 Yeah, am I jealous and bitter and vindictive now? 2131 01:33:09,459 --> 01:33:13,462 - In all seven of your Tour de France victories, 2132 01:33:13,462 --> 01:33:17,000 did you ever take banned substances or blood dope? 2133 01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:17,864 - Yes. 2134 01:33:17,864 --> 01:33:21,346 - Those five yeses in one fell swoop, 2135 01:33:21,346 --> 01:33:24,679 just wiped out a generation of cyclists. 2136 01:33:26,010 --> 01:33:29,240 Watching the show, for me, was like. 2137 01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:30,653 I never thought those words 2138 01:33:30,653 --> 01:33:32,355 would come out of Lance Armstrong's mouth. 2139 01:33:32,355 --> 01:33:34,022 It was unbelievable. 2140 01:33:35,043 --> 01:33:39,911 - Was Betsy telling the truth about the Indiana hospital 2141 01:33:39,911 --> 01:33:41,911 overhearing you in 1996? 2142 01:33:43,478 --> 01:33:45,460 - I'm not going to take that on. 2143 01:33:45,460 --> 01:33:47,074 I'm laying down on that one. 2144 01:33:47,074 --> 01:33:48,574 - Was Betsy lying? 2145 01:33:53,436 --> 01:33:56,390 - And he dropped the ball. 2146 01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:58,623 He dropped the ball. 2147 01:33:58,623 --> 01:34:01,423 - She asked me and I asked her not to talk about. 2148 01:34:01,423 --> 01:34:02,256 - What you said? 2149 01:34:02,256 --> 01:34:03,089 - The details of the call. 2150 01:34:03,089 --> 01:34:05,604 It was a confidential, personal conversation. 2151 01:34:05,604 --> 01:34:07,521 It was 40 minutes long. 2152 01:34:08,481 --> 01:34:10,648 - So again, it was classic Lance. 2153 01:34:10,648 --> 01:34:13,081 His way out, throughout that whole interview, 2154 01:34:13,081 --> 01:34:14,414 he just used me. 2155 01:34:15,429 --> 01:34:16,619 - He called to apologize so that 2156 01:34:16,619 --> 01:34:17,973 when he went on Oprah he could say, 2157 01:34:17,973 --> 01:34:19,619 Oh, yeah, I've reached out to people to apologize. 2158 01:34:19,619 --> 01:34:20,696 I'm a changed man. 2159 01:34:20,696 --> 01:34:22,287 I'm trying to be better. 2160 01:34:22,287 --> 01:34:23,421 It played into his hand. 2161 01:34:23,421 --> 01:34:26,066 It played into his game. 2162 01:34:26,066 --> 01:34:27,239 - My stepfather called me and said, 2163 01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:29,420 Your mom's having a really hard time. 2164 01:34:29,420 --> 01:34:30,837 And I saw my mom. 2165 01:34:33,724 --> 01:34:35,224 And I thought, Oh. 2166 01:34:37,763 --> 01:34:39,513 This woman's a wreck. 2167 01:34:42,686 --> 01:34:44,162 - [Oprah] What has been the financial cost? 2168 01:34:44,162 --> 01:34:46,245 Have you lost everything? 2169 01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,706 - I don't like thinking about it. 2170 01:34:50,706 --> 01:34:51,956 But that was a. 2171 01:34:53,323 --> 01:34:57,240 I don't know, that was a 75 million dollar day. 2172 01:35:00,875 --> 01:35:01,708 Gone. 2173 01:35:01,708 --> 01:35:02,743 - [Oprah] Gone. 2174 01:35:02,743 --> 01:35:03,576 - Gone. 2175 01:35:05,219 --> 01:35:08,294 - [Interviewer] Do you think he will ever come clean? 2176 01:35:08,294 --> 01:35:10,115 - No, I don't think fully. 2177 01:35:10,115 --> 01:35:13,865 Partly because it would burn too many people. 2178 01:35:14,803 --> 01:35:17,065 - [Greg] He's protected Bruyneel, he's protected Ferrari, 2179 01:35:17,065 --> 01:35:20,087 he's protected Tom Weisel, he's protected Bill Stapleton 2180 01:35:20,087 --> 01:35:21,816 and he's protected, I believe, 2181 01:35:21,816 --> 01:35:25,361 the medical people at that hospital. 2182 01:35:25,361 --> 01:35:26,511 - [Narrator] It's really not about him, 2183 01:35:26,511 --> 01:35:28,235 but about the people behind him. 2184 01:35:28,235 --> 01:35:29,322 They put this team together 2185 01:35:29,322 --> 01:35:30,706 that had knowledge of the doping, 2186 01:35:30,706 --> 01:35:32,747 that went out and then sold sponsorships 2187 01:35:32,747 --> 01:35:34,868 to the tune of about 30 plus million 2188 01:35:34,868 --> 01:35:37,569 federal dollars from citizens 2189 01:35:37,569 --> 01:35:39,109 of the United States of America. 2190 01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:40,692 It's alleged fraud. 2191 01:35:44,403 --> 01:35:46,862 - I don't know Lance Armstrong now. 2192 01:35:46,862 --> 01:35:49,680 The man I knew in 1993, I had a blast with. 2193 01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:51,277 A great friend and it's hard for me 2194 01:35:51,277 --> 01:35:53,660 to talk about because of how much hell he put me through 2195 01:35:53,660 --> 01:35:55,327 and my wife through. 2196 01:35:57,527 --> 01:36:00,737 - He's like the guy who robs a bank 2197 01:36:00,737 --> 01:36:03,346 and then says, Oops, forgot to frisk 2198 01:36:03,346 --> 01:36:04,882 the tellers for any money 2199 01:36:04,882 --> 01:36:07,161 they might have in their pockets. 2200 01:36:07,161 --> 01:36:09,828 So he essentially wanted it all. 2201 01:36:15,756 --> 01:36:19,923 Most of the cheats pretty much stop at the water's edge. 2202 01:36:21,946 --> 01:36:23,029 Lance didn't. 2203 01:36:24,105 --> 01:36:25,022 - I had it. 2204 01:36:25,908 --> 01:36:27,241 And then I just. 2205 01:36:28,961 --> 01:36:30,272 Things got too big. 2206 01:36:30,272 --> 01:36:32,022 Things got too crazy. 2207 01:36:39,662 --> 01:36:43,616 - [Betsy] What Lance never had was the truth. 2208 01:36:43,616 --> 01:36:47,616 Which is more powerful than the corrupt athlete. 2209 01:36:56,284 --> 01:36:58,701 - [Oprah] It's an epic story. 2210 01:37:03,858 --> 01:37:06,025 - [Betsy] Time flies, huh? 2211 01:37:08,334 --> 01:37:10,251 Who would have thought? 2212 01:37:14,821 --> 01:37:17,154 (sad music) 158525

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