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- [Narrator] Would you raise
your right hand, please?
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Do you solemnly swear to tell
the truth, the whole truth
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and nothing but the
truth, so help you God?
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- Yeah.
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- [Narrator] Would you please
give us your full name?
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- [Lance] Lance Armstrong.
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- [Narrator] Do you
understand that although
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we're in the conference
room of your lawyers,
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you are giving testimony as
if you are in a court of law?
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Do you understand that?
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- Correct.
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- [Narrator] And that penalties
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of perjury attach to this deposition
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just like they would to a
court of law proceeding.
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- Of course.
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- [Narrator] There's been allegations
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regarding what has been alleged
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to be a steroid or
cortisone in connection.
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- What do you mean, a
steroid or a cortisone?
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- [Narrator] Cortisone,
I'm sorry, I apologize.
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- Because they're different.
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- [Narrator] I understand, believe me.
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- One is actually anabolic
and one is actually catabolic.
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- [Narrator] Know what
they've done with the money?
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- [Lance] I just told you I don't know.
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- [Narrator] Was it earmarked?
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- Which part of I don't
know do you not understand?
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- [Narrator] I'm just trying to make sure
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your testimony is clear.
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- How many times do I have to say it?
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It can't be any clear than
I've never taken drugs.
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How clear is that?
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- [Narrator] His name is Lance Armstrong,
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and today, if his legs feel strong,
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this 21-year-old Texan can become
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cycling's first million-dollar baby.
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(exciting music)
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- Regardless of the million-dollar prize,
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it's been a race that I
wanted to win all year long
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and now with that staring me in the face,
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it's an even bigger race.
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- [Narrator] He's going
for his third consecutive
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victory with only today's
four states championship
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standing in the way of winning
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the Thrift Drug Triple Crown.
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look out Philadelphia,
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Lance is coming to town!
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- There was this million-dollar
prize, if Lance Armstrong
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could win, so all the pressure was on him,
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it was on the team.
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Thing is, he was the favorite going in.
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He was strong,
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he was beating up on everybody.
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- I'll be disappointed
with anything but a win.
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- Lance had the chance to win it.
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But he knows, the man to
beat that day, it was me.
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- [Announcer] Roberto Gaggioli.
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- It was my race, every year
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I was preparing for that race.
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- [Announcer] And Frankie
Andreu of Motorola
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who has slowed down the brakes.
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- [Narrator] I remember Lance
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made a deal with some Italians.
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Stephen Swart, Davis Phinney, Tommy,
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the team have this deal with Lance.
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- [Announcer] Lance Armstrong
is flying up the wall,
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making it look almost effortless!
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- The last three laps is
when the race is decided.
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That's when Lance starts talking to me,
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he wants to make sure
that I was in the plan,
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didn't want to take any risk.
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And he say, We make a deal,
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and I know you're the
only one can come with me,
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but don't come with me.
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- [Announcer] And right on cue,
Lance is out of the saddle,
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pushing himself into a higher gear.
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- On my heart, on my deep
heart, I don't want to do it,
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but when you have eight team-mates,
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you can't go against the team.
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- [Announcer] The group could do nothing
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but watch Lance dance away into the lead
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as they, compared to Lance,
seemed to be standing still.
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- And so I pulled back and see him going.
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And he went.
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(cheering)
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- [Announcer] And true to form,
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Lance doesn't disappoint them.
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Cycling's first million-dollar
man, US Pro champion!
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- Deep inside, I feel terrible,
because I know I could have,
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I could have won it.
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- [Announcer] For Lance,
a joyous celebration
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with his mother.
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- The success that Lance has
seen and will continue to see
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of course makes me very proud,
there's not a better gift.
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- [Announcer] Lance has rolled the dice
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and come up a winner.
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- [Lance] It's a big day for me
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but I think it's a bigger day for cycling,
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everybody won today.
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- As far as I know, Philly's
been going around for 30 years
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and I don't think that's
ever been done before.
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So, that's a huge chunk of change.
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- After the race, Lance come to my room,
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with a cake box, a metal
cake box, a Panettone
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and he just gave it to me
and say Merry Christmas.
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It was, like, 100,000 dollars.
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Cash.
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- [Narrator] This was a,
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this was a Lance Armstrong specialty.
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- I really want to win a classic.
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I mean, if you're going to
put a lot of time into it,
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if I'm going to be 18, 19, 20 years old
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and I'm going to give up an education,
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if I'm going to give up.
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- [Interviewer] That is what you did?
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- Yeah, if I'm going to
give up time at home,
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sure, it better be
rewarding, in terms of money.
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- Always in the back of Lance's mind
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was that great fortunes can be made
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in professional road racing.
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And for a poor kid growing up,
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hard scrabble in Texas, it's important.
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The next progression is to race in Europe,
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in the biggest pro races.
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- Como, Italy, was kind
of like the American base.
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A lot of 7-Eleven guys were
living there, and at that time,
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Lance and I,
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I don't know how we got into
the discussion, but we decided,
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Hey, we'll live together for next year
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and so I was like, sweet.
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It'll be good, it'll be fun.
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It was great.
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You know, cooking, having risotto.
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I remember eating watermelon out
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on the balcony and we
had this bad little car,
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that we used to get around.
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I mean, we weren't teenagers,
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but it was like teenagers
just hanging out in Europe.
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- Frankie was Lance's closest friend,
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and because I was dating Frankie,
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I became friends with Lance
as well, and he was fun.
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He was fun to hang out with.
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And Lance and I had a unique relationship,
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because so many people from early on
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would just kow-tow to him,
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but with Lance, he would try to rib me,
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and try to just get me going,
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and so we would butt
heads and we would argue.
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But we kind of, I think, enjoyed
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getting under each other's skin.
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- Hello again, and welcome
back to the Tour de France.
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We're at Stage eight this morning
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and the sun is still shining.
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- [Narrator] The Tour de France
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was really hard.
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Racing bikes in Europe is bad
for you, it's not healthy.
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You sacrifice a lot to be successful.
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(car horn beeps)
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- At the Tour de France,
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I was rooming with Lance, and I was like,
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Lance, this is your day.
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This is the one you can win.
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And he was like, Really, you think so?
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I'm like, Yeah!
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- [Announcer] Armstrong
is fifth down the line.
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Armstrong has the advantage.
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- It's got, like, a little
6K climb at the end,
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I mean, it's power downhill
sprint, it's perfect.
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And on that day, the whole team committed,
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led him out to the bottom of that climb
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and pretty much, All right, go!
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- [Announcer] Armstrong boxed
in by Dominique Arnould,
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who won the first stage
of the Tour a year ago.
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They've pushed Armstrong very,
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very wide indeed as Pensec goes
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and Pensec really isn't a sprinter,
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this would be a surprise.
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Ronan Pensec leading
out, now Armstrong goes,
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on the left of the picture,
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Lance Armstrong in his
first Tour de France,
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they all said he was too young,
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but he gets it on the line!
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- We met at the Motorola Hotel,
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he was only 21 years of age, he was riding
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the Tour for the first time
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and in that pathetic
way of sports writers,
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we like to be able to
say at some future point,
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Oh, you know,
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I interviewed Lance when he was just a kid
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in his first Tour,
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it was going to be like a badge of honour.
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- That was a lot of fun.
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That was really.
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I think, just the way it
went down with the last climb
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and guys were attacking
and I was so motivated.
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- [David] When I asked him about what
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he felt like coming
towards the end of race,
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he said, oh, when I get in the situation
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with the little group
of six or eight riders
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and I know I've got a
real chance of winning
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he said, I start to
shriek and my body shakes.
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And I think about my mom,
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she didn't raise a quitter.
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I had this sense of a guy
who just wouldn't be beaten.
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Who through the force of his
will and his personality,
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became almost somebody different.
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- [Announcer] There's
Dekker on the floor again!
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And Lance Armstrong has
sprinted the gap closed.
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Lance Armstrong, who has joined.
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Now he's looking back and seeing nobody
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as he become champion of the world.
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Lance Armstrong, 21 years of age,
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is America's second only
World ever Road Race Champion,
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(applause)
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beating the greatest man of
the moment in world cycling,
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Miguel Indurain.
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He raised a smile there,
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but I think Miguel, very disappointed.
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And could it be that
we're watching the man
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who will replace the great
Greg LeMond in the years ahead,
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Lance Armstrong now.
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(patriotic music)
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- [Announcer] Indurain goes now,
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in what to him will
hopefully re-establish him
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as the best rider.
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- Through 1993,
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the races just increased,
the speeds were so dramatic,
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it was night and day.
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- [Announcer] Armstrong is
about to get caught Indurain.
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You can see Indurain will just fly by him,
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and it's gonna be very
strange for Lance Armstrong.
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- One of the riders was told
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what was going on in the Spanish team.
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The rider just said, Pff,
you guys have no chance.
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We're doing EPO, growth
hormone, testosterone.
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You'll never make it.
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- [Announcer] He comes up to
the line, one hour 50 and 58,
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two minutes precisely!
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- Well, the way that guy came by.
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and that was probably part of the reason
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that I'm so wasted in the end
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because I tried to match his speed
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and he goes along the flats
55, 56, 57 K's an hour,
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I was 53.11.
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Getting dropped!
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- [Greg] We're talking about
the speed of the peloton
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and this new drug EPO
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and talking about Dr Ferrari.
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- [Narrator] Lance would have
known Ferrari by reputation.
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Now he wanted to meet the man
and start working with him.
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- [Greg] Ferrari had a reputation
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of being the best in the business.
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If you wanted to win races, win the Tour,
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you go see this guy and
he's going to set you up.
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- As good as that reputation was,
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everybody knew that if you went
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to see Ferrari, you
were going to get doped.
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So Lance kept it a secret
from everyone for a long time.
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- And Lance had the intelligence
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to see that Ferrari was special
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in terms of his
understanding of physiology,
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and of the drugs and how they interacted.
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With his charisma and
his natural intelligence,
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Lance was able to endear
himself to Ferrari,
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become the Adam of what
would be Ferrari's creation.
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You keep doing your job as Frankenstein
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and I'll be the best
monster you've ever created.
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And Ferrari loved him for that.
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You know, the pupil from heaven.
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- The train just started
rolling full blast,
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just like, it was just.
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reefing across the landscape.
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- [Announcer] It is, he's
gone. Armstrong has gone,
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the sort of thing he did in
the World Championship at Oslo.
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Is this man on the start of
his greatest ever season?
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Travelling at nearly 40 miles an hour,
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Armstrong showing enormous determination.
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- You couldn't develop a product
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more perfect for the ravages
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of endurance athletics than EPO.
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- [Announcer] Armstrong has done it today.
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- [Narrator] EPO was done in secret.
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You never knew what
anybody else was doing.
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Even for the top, top guys,
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they never knew what
the other guy was doing,
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so everybody thought
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they had to do more in
order to be able to win,
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or to keep up.
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- I was tired of getting beat up on,
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tired of getting dropped and
watching fat sprinters get over
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category-one climbs and win.
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Getting thrown out the back of the group.
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I'm going to, I'm not going to.
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You know, sleepless nights,
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figuring out, and then.
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- You did a great job.
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- We're going, That's our Frankie!
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That's great.
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Congratulations.
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- Thanks a lot.
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- [Interviewer] Have you been
enjoying the Tour de France?
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- No comment.
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Sure enough, eventually I cracked.
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Yeah, drove to Switzerland
and pretty much just walked
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into a pharmacy, just like,
could have bought chewing gum.
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It was that easy.
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- [Announcer] But then
the punch-up started.
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Lance Armstrong, number
61 for the Motorola Team.
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- When you're racing, you
think you're invincible.
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You think you can do anything,
nothing's going to stop you,
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nothing's going to harm you
and then all of a sudden.
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- [Lance] From the beginning of the Tour,
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I knew that I was a step off,
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and a lot of times when
your body is down like that,
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then a virus or any illness
will move in and take over.
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- That evening the phone rings,
and I hear Lance's neighbour
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on the other end, and he said Linda,
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I don't know any easy way
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to tell you this, but Lance
has been diagnosed with cancer.
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It literally crushed every
single piece of me on the inside.
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- On Wednesday October second,
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I was diagnosed with testicular cancer.
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Prior to seeing my doctor last week,
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I'd been experiencing swelling
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and pain in one of my testicles,
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and I'd coughed up some blood.
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On Thursday October third, I underwent
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surgery at St David's hospital
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here in Austin, to have the
malignant testicle removed.
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A CAT scan was also
performed the same day.
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The CAT scan revealed that my condition
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has spread into my abdomen.
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- At the time, I think most
people would have suggested,
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with the brain metastases and such,
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that at best you'd cure maybe
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one out of three of those people.
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- It was awful, and I thought
how in the hell does a guy
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who's in such good shape,
so young, get cancer?
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- The first impression I got,
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which is the impression I
get from a lot of people,
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is that he was scared.
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He was certainly looking
at very primal aspects.
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You know, saving his life or not,
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and a lot of secondary
consequences, his career,
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family, future kids.
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All that.
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- We wanted to go see Lance,
and the time to see him
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was after his brain surgery,
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and so Frankie and I made the
six-hour drive to Indiana.
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- [Frankie] And that was the first time
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I'd seen him since the announcement,
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and I remember seeing
the big horseshoe scar
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on the top of his head.
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We went into the room and
it was a football game,
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Dallas Cowboys football game was playing.
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So he was in there,
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his girlfriend at the time
Lisa Shields was there,
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and Stephanie McIlvain, the
rep from Oakley was there.
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Chris Carmichael, his coach,
was there with Paige, I think.
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- [Betsy] And the doctors came in,
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and when the doctors came in.
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- They said, oh, you know,
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we need to ask you some questions.
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I said, We should leave,
let him have his privacy.
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And Lance said, No, no, no.
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Don't worry about it.
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You guys can stay, no problem.
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And I said, OK, we'll stay.
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- They asked a few banal
questions, and then one of them was
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Have you ever used any
performance-enhancing drugs?
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And Lance, just nonchalantly holding
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on to his IV, staring down,
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rattled off, yeah, EPO, testosterone,
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growth hormone, cortisone and steroids.
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- And at that point my
jaw was, like, holy shit,
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because Betsy's sitting right next to me.
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I don't know what the hell she's thinking.
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And I was like, We got to go.
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And we stood up and walked
out of the room, right away.
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- I was furious, because I said to him,
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That's how Lance got his cancer,
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and if you're doing that,
I'm not marrying you.
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We were just engaged six weeks earlier.
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- She was upset that he
was taking that stuff.
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She was crazy, like,
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if I was taking that stuff, then if you're
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taking all that stuff, it obviously
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is going to affect your health.
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- Because I thought, Oh,
my gosh, is this going on?
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Is everybody doing this?
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And Frankie swore to me no.
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- Had to do with trust, and
is she going to marry me?
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So, you know, it was, yeah,
you know, I think she even
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right there on the spot threatened,
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like, I'm not marrying you
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if you're doing all that stuff.
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- I was just ready to
call the whole thing off.
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- Before cancer, Lance had signed up
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for the French Team Cofidis.
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It wasn't know if he would
live or race bikes again.
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All of those things were not known.
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- I still have a ways to go on the bike.
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- Does it sound like some
kind of miracle cure?
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- No, it's not a miracle.
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Everything was.
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The therapy was normal therapy.
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I had to do just as
much as everybody else.
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- He made the decision to go
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because they were astonished to see him
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there, and then he decided
he would carry on to Italy
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and see Michele Ferrari,
for what would have been
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really just a friend-to-friend visit.
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That is extraordinary,
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because it indicated
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that in a relatively short time,
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he and Michele Ferrari
had become very close,
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and it was also a visit to say,
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If I come back and I make a full recovery,
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I'm going to achieve
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everything I ever wanted to
achieve, whatever it takes,
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and I want you working with me.
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- The American Mafia.
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- [Bob] Took him a long
time to find a team
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and a structure that
would make it worthwhile.
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- When I tried to come
back, there was no interest.
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None.
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- [Bob] And then finally signed
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the deal with the US Postal Team.
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- I think that if I were
to come back and to win,
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and to be successful,
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I would consider that a complete recovery,
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as an athlete.
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- As much as Lance wanted to
win, Thom Weisel wanted to win,
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and he was the creator
of the US Postal Team.
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People talk about Lance being
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this kind of ruthless alpha male leader.
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Tom Weisel was one of those.
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You know, a ruthless guy.
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Lance's first contract
was for minimal wages.
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Weisel said, Go out there, win races,
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prove you're back competitive
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and I'll give you a huge bonus.
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- And he went after those
bonuses like, tooth and nail.
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- Lance, that's 40 seconds on Masolini
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and one minute and 10 seconds.
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- [Frankie] On certain
teams, you have riders
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that are acquaintances.
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- He was just smiling a minute ago!
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- Or co-workers.
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That '99 Tour Team, we were
friends and good friends.
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We were just, we were close.
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It was a close-knit group of riders.
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Hincapie, Livingston, Vande Velde, Lance,
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and we would do anything for each other.
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- I hate the French.
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Screw the French.
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- [Bob] Frankie was on that team,
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Tyler Hamilton was on that team.
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- When I got selected to do the team,
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I told my parents.
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I told them to come over
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because this is probably the
once-in-a-lifetime opportunity
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to see me in the Tour de France.
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- Lance, Kristin, Frankie
and I were driving
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from Milano to Sanremo, and Lance
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had to make a stop to see Ferrari,
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which was outside of Milano,
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in the parking lot of a hotel gas station.
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In Ferrari's camper van.
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And I said, Why are you meeting him here?
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Isn't that odd, you meeting
Ferrari, your doctor, here?
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He said, So the fucking
journalists don't find out.
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And I said, Well, what's wrong,
if the journalists find out?
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And he just looked at me and he glared.
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Kristin and I had to waste about an hour
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until Lance was done doing
his tests with Ferrari.
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When he was finished,
Lance was pretty excited,
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and he said, My numbers are great.
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And then he got in the car,
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he looked through his rear
view mirror, he looked at me
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and he said, Frankie
could get results too,
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but he's too cheap.
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- He told me a bunch of times,
that I needed to step up,
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and I should go see Ferrari.
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You know, there's no way.
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I just felt like if I was even linked
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as going to see Ferrari,
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that automatically meant I was a doper.
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- The danger about EPO and
there in France was, you know,
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there was a big bust the year before.
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Riders and staff went to jail.
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- [Announcer] French police
raided the hotel rooms
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of several leading riders
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and found stashes of
performance-enhancing drugs.
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- [Announcer] Another leading rider
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was missing from the line-up,
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in police custody.
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- It was the year after
the Festina affair,
503
00:22:02,365 --> 00:22:03,439
where a lot of drugs
504
00:22:03,439 --> 00:22:05,768
were caught within a team.
505
00:22:05,768 --> 00:22:08,448
The team couldn't risk
taking it to the race.
506
00:22:08,448 --> 00:22:12,196
You know, we'd lose
the sponsor right away.
507
00:22:12,196 --> 00:22:13,956
(upbeat music)
508
00:22:13,956 --> 00:22:18,123
To get EPO for the Tour de
France, we came up with a plan.
509
00:22:19,269 --> 00:22:20,881
- [Announcer] Well after
last year's sensational
510
00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:22,038
Tour de France who knows what we
511
00:22:22,038 --> 00:22:24,371
can expect this time around.
512
00:22:26,075 --> 00:22:27,508
Departure of the man everybody
513
00:22:27,508 --> 00:22:29,491
is talking about, Richard Virenque.
514
00:22:29,491 --> 00:22:31,491
Did you hear that cheer?
515
00:22:33,170 --> 00:22:35,781
- The plan had Motorman involved.
516
00:22:35,781 --> 00:22:37,614
Motorman was a French.
517
00:22:38,527 --> 00:22:41,022
He used to be a gardener/handyman
518
00:22:41,022 --> 00:22:42,591
for Lance Armstrong.
519
00:22:42,591 --> 00:22:44,501
He loved to ride motorcycles.
520
00:22:44,501 --> 00:22:46,633
- [Announcer] Back to Abraham Olano,
521
00:22:46,633 --> 00:22:49,636
I think probably the
number one favorite now.
522
00:22:49,636 --> 00:22:51,198
- [Tyler] He would follow the race,
523
00:22:51,198 --> 00:22:52,136
always stay within probably
524
00:22:52,136 --> 00:22:54,985
a half-hour drive from our hotel.
525
00:22:54,985 --> 00:22:57,362
- [Announcer] The best finisher
of a year ago, Bobby Julich.
526
00:22:57,362 --> 00:22:59,468
He's based everything on this
month, the Tour de France,
527
00:22:59,468 --> 00:23:02,298
he wants to be the American winner.
528
00:23:02,298 --> 00:23:03,453
But the man doing great times
529
00:23:03,453 --> 00:23:05,371
out on the course, Phil,
is Lance Armstrong.
530
00:23:05,371 --> 00:23:06,891
He hasn't been here for a couple of years
531
00:23:06,891 --> 00:23:08,066
because of his illness
532
00:23:08,066 --> 00:23:09,566
but he's back now.
533
00:23:11,069 --> 00:23:12,860
- [Tyler] Motor Man would basically
534
00:23:12,860 --> 00:23:14,260
just wait for a phone call.
535
00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:18,349
The EPO would arrive,
you know, in the evening.
536
00:23:18,349 --> 00:23:19,583
- [Announcer] He's just about done.
537
00:23:19,583 --> 00:23:21,333
8.18, Chris Boardman.
538
00:23:22,728 --> 00:23:26,645
Eight minutes and 12
seconds for Abraham Olano.
539
00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:31,755
8.09, Zulle has rewritten
the finishing order for now.
540
00:23:31,755 --> 00:23:33,032
And Armstrong coming up now,
541
00:23:33,032 --> 00:23:35,620
can he get off to a great
start in the Tour de France?
542
00:23:35,620 --> 00:23:37,845
He is aiming at eight
minutes and nine seconds,
543
00:23:37,845 --> 00:23:39,519
he's certainly ahead of Chris Boardman
544
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,608
at this point, my goodness me!
545
00:23:41,608 --> 00:23:43,691
8:02.51, Lance Armstrong,
546
00:23:44,624 --> 00:23:48,004
with that performance, I
think may have done enough.
547
00:23:48,004 --> 00:23:50,254
(applause)
548
00:23:56,205 --> 00:24:00,372
- The team doctor, Garcia
del Moral, he knew about it.
549
00:24:02,379 --> 00:24:04,796
Johan Bruyneel knew about it.
550
00:24:07,796 --> 00:24:10,006
You were right there in the
heart of the Tour de France,
551
00:24:10,006 --> 00:24:10,839
you know?
552
00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:16,945
Thousands and thousands of
people around the team camper.
553
00:24:16,945 --> 00:24:17,933
- All the way from Indianapolis!
554
00:24:17,933 --> 00:24:19,350
- No time, sorry.
555
00:24:20,701 --> 00:24:21,534
- I remember just trying to get
556
00:24:21,534 --> 00:24:23,613
rid of it as quickly as possible.
557
00:24:23,613 --> 00:24:27,212
You quickly just stuck
it in, got rid of it.
558
00:24:27,212 --> 00:24:29,956
then it was quickly hidden away,
559
00:24:29,956 --> 00:24:32,456
typically in like, a Coke can.
560
00:24:33,706 --> 00:24:35,360
It was nerve-racking,
561
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,701
but yet, at the time, it
was kind of exciting too,
562
00:24:37,701 --> 00:24:40,784
'cause you were being such a deviant.
563
00:24:41,854 --> 00:24:44,587
- [Narrator] Sestriere,
the first big mountain day.
564
00:24:44,587 --> 00:24:46,124
- [Announcer] Destination's Sestriere,
565
00:24:46,124 --> 00:24:48,329
213 kilometers of distance.
566
00:24:48,329 --> 00:24:49,653
- [Frankie] We had a job to set up Lance,
567
00:24:49,653 --> 00:24:50,885
to keep him as fresh as possible
568
00:24:50,885 --> 00:24:52,117
till that final climb.
569
00:24:52,117 --> 00:24:54,440
- [Announcer] US Postal, where
the pace-making up the climb
570
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,912
was done by Frankie Andreu.
571
00:24:55,912 --> 00:24:57,329
- We had to set the tempo,
572
00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:59,591
to be able to keep things together,
573
00:24:59,591 --> 00:25:02,679
and then riding on the
front like a drag race,
574
00:25:02,679 --> 00:25:05,067
as hard as we could to
the bottom of the climb,
575
00:25:05,067 --> 00:25:07,330
turn and then start
riding as hard as I could,
576
00:25:07,330 --> 00:25:08,997
like a field sprint.
577
00:25:11,806 --> 00:25:15,179
- When I was watching the Tour on TV,
578
00:25:15,179 --> 00:25:17,767
I saw Frankie climbing,
579
00:25:17,767 --> 00:25:22,266
leading the pack up a
mountain in Sestriere.
580
00:25:22,266 --> 00:25:23,772
He doesn't specialize in sprinting,
581
00:25:23,772 --> 00:25:26,523
he doesn't specialize
in mountain climbing.
582
00:25:26,523 --> 00:25:29,134
He just specializes in
being the worker bee,
583
00:25:29,134 --> 00:25:33,301
so when Frankie was actually
pulling on Sestriere,
584
00:25:35,304 --> 00:25:37,471
it just didn't make sense.
585
00:25:38,313 --> 00:25:41,286
And so I called a friend of mine in Paris,
586
00:25:41,286 --> 00:25:44,153
and I said Are you seeing what I'm seeing?
587
00:25:44,153 --> 00:25:45,936
And she said, Yeah, isn't it great?
588
00:25:45,936 --> 00:25:47,496
Frankie's doing wonderful.
589
00:25:47,496 --> 00:25:48,509
He's doing so well.
590
00:25:48,509 --> 00:25:50,777
And I said, Wonderful, my ass.
591
00:25:50,777 --> 00:25:53,808
He's not a climber, he
should not be pulling.
592
00:25:53,808 --> 00:25:57,915
- [Announcer] An attack
there by Armstrong.
593
00:25:57,915 --> 00:25:59,555
Look at the acceleration of this
594
00:25:59,555 --> 00:26:01,554
as he chases down those motorbikes.
595
00:26:01,554 --> 00:26:04,007
Five and a half hours
he's been pedaling today,
596
00:26:04,007 --> 00:26:06,338
marking everything,
never looking distressed
597
00:26:06,338 --> 00:26:08,915
and now he's going to try
and tear this race apart.
598
00:26:08,915 --> 00:26:10,046
- [Announcer] That was
an unbelievable attack,
599
00:26:10,046 --> 00:26:11,414
he took a lot of risk to go up
600
00:26:11,414 --> 00:26:12,360
through the inside there.
601
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:13,630
There was hardly any room at all.
602
00:26:13,630 --> 00:26:16,051
Armstrong is so comfortable,
he jumped across that gap.
603
00:26:16,051 --> 00:26:17,861
That gap was up to 30 seconds.
604
00:26:17,861 --> 00:26:19,440
- We're watching the Sestriere stage,
605
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,759
and it was shocking.
606
00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:21,758
It was like, Oh, my God,
607
00:26:21,758 --> 00:26:25,047
he's dropping riders, dropping climbers.
608
00:26:25,047 --> 00:26:26,409
- [Announcer] This man
has managed to come back
609
00:26:26,409 --> 00:26:28,334
from the face of death.
610
00:26:28,334 --> 00:26:31,077
- One of the mechanics
was right next to me,
611
00:26:31,077 --> 00:26:33,349
and he said, Il est sur le jus.
612
00:26:33,349 --> 00:26:34,649
- [Announcer] And Armstrong
is ripping the legs off
613
00:26:34,649 --> 00:26:35,872
this climber right now.
614
00:26:35,872 --> 00:26:37,240
- Il est sur le jus.
615
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,657
Like, he's on the juice.
616
00:26:39,657 --> 00:26:41,082
And I'm like, What?
617
00:26:41,082 --> 00:26:42,529
He said, He's on the juice.
618
00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:44,334
- [Announcer] He is
going faster and faster,
619
00:26:44,334 --> 00:26:46,270
and he is going to win this.
620
00:26:46,270 --> 00:26:47,796
- I said, How do you know?
621
00:26:47,796 --> 00:26:50,042
He said, Look at his eyes, his breathing.
622
00:26:50,042 --> 00:26:51,792
There's no suffering.
623
00:26:55,968 --> 00:26:57,218
- [Narrator] It's almost
like whatever they're doing,
624
00:26:57,218 --> 00:26:59,364
they got so much oxygen,
625
00:26:59,364 --> 00:27:02,614
it's like they're not feeling the pain.
626
00:27:08,752 --> 00:27:10,541
- [Narrator] He's talking on his radio,
627
00:27:10,541 --> 00:27:13,041
his phone, and it was surreal.
628
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:18,897
- [Announcer] And the rain starts again as
629
00:27:18,897 --> 00:27:21,228
Lance Armstrong conquers Sestriere now.
630
00:27:21,228 --> 00:27:22,798
He heads up towards the line.
631
00:27:22,798 --> 00:27:26,349
Now he's ridden fast and
dropped his rivals, mano-a-mano.
632
00:27:26,349 --> 00:27:28,162
This will be some victory salute.
633
00:27:28,162 --> 00:27:30,564
It will be a while before we
know if it is as the winner
634
00:27:30,564 --> 00:27:31,827
of the Tour de France,
635
00:27:31,827 --> 00:27:33,147
but there are few people in this race now
636
00:27:33,147 --> 00:27:34,700
will doubt that.
637
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,768
Lance Armstrong comes across the line
638
00:27:36,768 --> 00:27:40,935
winner today of the mountain
stage of the Tour de France.
639
00:27:44,803 --> 00:27:47,803
He is really ripping the race apart.
640
00:27:54,944 --> 00:27:56,320
- And so that night after the race
641
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,989
I called Frankie, and I said,
642
00:27:57,989 --> 00:28:00,156
What in the hell was that?
643
00:28:01,062 --> 00:28:02,766
And he said, What was what?
644
00:28:02,766 --> 00:28:03,599
What are you doing?
645
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:04,432
What are you taking?
646
00:28:04,432 --> 00:28:05,730
I don't believe you.
647
00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:07,147
This is bullshit.
648
00:28:08,892 --> 00:28:12,262
- There are a lot of secrets,
lot of secrets, lot of.
649
00:28:12,262 --> 00:28:14,936
It was almost like I was
in this just bizarre movie,
650
00:28:14,936 --> 00:28:18,037
some sort of wild western movie.
651
00:28:18,037 --> 00:28:19,119
- [Announcer] Lance Armstrong,
652
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,615
le maillot jaune, soupconne de Dopage.
653
00:28:21,615 --> 00:28:24,948
- [Tyler] But something didn't go right.
654
00:28:27,204 --> 00:28:29,879
- [Narrator] It was the
UCI really who alerted us.
655
00:28:29,879 --> 00:28:31,196
- [Announcer] En matiere de Dopage,
656
00:28:31,196 --> 00:28:33,314
Lance Armstrong n'a rien a cacher.
657
00:28:33,314 --> 00:28:35,515
- [Narrator] After winning
the prologue, you're tested.
658
00:28:35,515 --> 00:28:37,188
But then everybody saw you
speaking to the Italians
659
00:28:37,188 --> 00:28:38,770
so is it just an English language ban?
660
00:28:38,770 --> 00:28:39,905
- When Lance was tested for that,
661
00:28:39,905 --> 00:28:41,345
when the results came back,
662
00:28:41,345 --> 00:28:46,096
he had high levels of
corticosteroids in his system.
663
00:28:46,096 --> 00:28:48,447
- Cortisone definitely worked.
664
00:28:48,447 --> 00:28:49,621
You know, you could push through
665
00:28:49,621 --> 00:28:51,669
to a whole 'nother level on it,
666
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:55,137
so over the years, I myself
took cortisone many times
667
00:28:55,137 --> 00:28:58,912
not for injuries, but for
performance enhancement.
668
00:28:58,912 --> 00:28:59,854
- [Announcer] Now you're going to speak?
669
00:28:59,854 --> 00:29:00,735
- Actually, we were
looking for you in there.
670
00:29:00,735 --> 00:29:01,568
- [Announcer] You were?
671
00:29:01,568 --> 00:29:02,401
OK.
672
00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:05,315
- [Emma] Lance had asked
us to pick up something
673
00:29:05,315 --> 00:29:07,674
from the Spanish doctor in Spain.
674
00:29:07,674 --> 00:29:10,278
- What these people need
to remember is that I was
675
00:29:10,278 --> 00:29:13,678
the World Champion in 1993
when nobody had heard of drugs.
676
00:29:13,678 --> 00:29:16,747
- [Emma] So I went down to
Spain, picked up the product.
677
00:29:16,747 --> 00:29:18,379
That was cloak and dagger.
678
00:29:18,379 --> 00:29:20,392
- Nobody had heard of EPO.
679
00:29:20,392 --> 00:29:22,748
- [Emma] Johan, he just kind of passed it
680
00:29:22,748 --> 00:29:23,880
as he's walking by, he just passed
681
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,876
it into my hand and said, Lovely day.
682
00:29:25,876 --> 00:29:27,873
Just to make sure I had it.
683
00:29:27,873 --> 00:29:28,706
- I've proven my class.
684
00:29:28,706 --> 00:29:30,977
I've shown my class, from day one.
685
00:29:30,977 --> 00:29:32,252
- Then we were getting back up
686
00:29:32,252 --> 00:29:34,232
to the border to go into France,
687
00:29:34,232 --> 00:29:36,343
there's never a queue at this border.
688
00:29:36,343 --> 00:29:37,971
- There's no secrets here.
689
00:29:37,971 --> 00:29:39,528
- There was a queue.
690
00:29:39,528 --> 00:29:42,164
I'd seen what happened
after the Festina affair
691
00:29:42,164 --> 00:29:43,784
and I thought, Oh, God,
692
00:29:43,784 --> 00:29:45,660
I could be one of these that got picked up
693
00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:50,056
last year in the Tour, and I
must have aged about ten years.
694
00:29:50,056 --> 00:29:52,735
- We have the oldest secret
in the book, hard work.
695
00:29:52,735 --> 00:29:54,782
- So, but luckily enough,
we didn't get stopped.
696
00:29:54,782 --> 00:29:58,183
Came back to France and
gave Lance the little bottle
697
00:29:58,183 --> 00:30:01,683
in the car park of McDonalds and Frasiers.
698
00:30:04,982 --> 00:30:07,133
We needed to come up with a proper plan
699
00:30:07,133 --> 00:30:08,888
that we're on the same page.
700
00:30:08,888 --> 00:30:11,276
So while I'm giving Lance his massage,
701
00:30:11,276 --> 00:30:13,794
the others from the team came in.
702
00:30:13,794 --> 00:30:15,875
The problem that had to
be sorted was that Lance
703
00:30:15,875 --> 00:30:20,167
didn't have a prescription
for corticosteroids,
704
00:30:20,167 --> 00:30:21,692
so the idea was then that the doctor
705
00:30:21,692 --> 00:30:23,420
would write a prescription for that,
706
00:30:23,420 --> 00:30:25,594
but backdate it to pre the prologue,
707
00:30:25,594 --> 00:30:27,313
and just pretend it was a cream
708
00:30:27,313 --> 00:30:29,692
that Lance was taking for saddle sores.
709
00:30:29,692 --> 00:30:33,362
- Well we now know that
Tom Weisel and Mark Gorski,
710
00:30:33,362 --> 00:30:35,573
the team manager were in that room,
711
00:30:35,573 --> 00:30:39,740
and I have no doubt that they
were part of that cover up.
712
00:30:41,152 --> 00:30:41,985
- And then if you kind of come
713
00:30:41,985 --> 00:30:44,211
to the end of the whole conversation
714
00:30:44,211 --> 00:30:46,388
about steroids, Lance just goes,
715
00:30:46,388 --> 00:30:48,975
Oh, well, now you know
enough to bring me down.
716
00:30:48,975 --> 00:30:50,408
The next day was the press conference,
717
00:30:50,408 --> 00:30:52,691
and everything could just
blow up in everybody's faces.
718
00:30:52,691 --> 00:30:53,705
- To think I'm going
to come back into sport
719
00:30:53,705 --> 00:30:54,538
and risk my life
720
00:30:54,538 --> 00:30:56,423
with performance-enhancing drugs is crazy.
721
00:30:56,423 --> 00:30:58,184
When I tried to come back to the sport,
722
00:30:58,184 --> 00:30:59,761
nobody gave me a chance.
723
00:30:59,761 --> 00:31:01,094
Nobody gave me a chance.
724
00:31:01,094 --> 00:31:03,439
So he must be doing something,
so it's the same mentality.
725
00:31:03,439 --> 00:31:05,001
It's the same mentality,
726
00:31:05,001 --> 00:31:06,463
it's consistent through and through.
727
00:31:06,463 --> 00:31:08,567
- Tonight, he has some
very high-level help
728
00:31:08,567 --> 00:31:10,784
because the UCI, the world
governing body of cycling,
729
00:31:10,784 --> 00:31:12,779
have just released this press communique.
730
00:31:12,779 --> 00:31:15,634
They confirm basically that
the rider used an ointment,
731
00:31:15,634 --> 00:31:17,017
and they give the brand name,
732
00:31:17,017 --> 00:31:19,549
and that he also offered
them a medical prescription
733
00:31:19,549 --> 00:31:21,666
before his test.
734
00:31:21,666 --> 00:31:24,335
- [Announcer] He comes up to
the line, 16 seconds, 15, 14,
735
00:31:24,335 --> 00:31:26,474
it is getting desperately close here.
736
00:31:26,474 --> 00:31:28,235
Zulle versus Armstrong,
737
00:31:28,235 --> 00:31:29,840
and Zulle loses!
738
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,345
Armstrong is the winner,
739
00:31:31,345 --> 00:31:34,947
he has achieved yet another
page in this fairy story
740
00:31:34,947 --> 00:31:36,447
that just goes on.
741
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:40,952
- I'm so proud of my
son, always have been,
742
00:31:40,952 --> 00:31:45,442
and the fact that we overcame
cancer, and we're here today,
743
00:31:45,442 --> 00:31:47,011
in the yellow jersey.
744
00:31:47,011 --> 00:31:48,459
- [Announcer] And when
you see him tomorrow
745
00:31:48,459 --> 00:31:51,512
in the yellow jersey
on the Champs-Elysees?
746
00:31:51,512 --> 00:31:53,679
- A picture without words.
747
00:32:01,786 --> 00:32:02,990
- [Announcer] The winner
of the Tour de France,
748
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:04,374
in a big field,
749
00:32:04,374 --> 00:32:06,534
is the American Lance Armstrong,
750
00:32:06,534 --> 00:32:08,390
and what a ride that has been.
751
00:32:08,390 --> 00:32:10,187
It will be remembered in the millennium
752
00:32:10,187 --> 00:32:13,094
as one of the finest sporting
achievements in the history
753
00:32:13,094 --> 00:32:16,011
of not just cycling, but any sport.
754
00:32:17,712 --> 00:32:18,953
- [Announcer] Back in
his home state of Texas,
755
00:32:18,953 --> 00:32:21,209
they are celebrating a hero.
756
00:32:21,209 --> 00:32:23,591
- The most fantastic feeling,
we're just so proud of him
757
00:32:23,591 --> 00:32:25,646
and this whole team, they just.
758
00:32:25,646 --> 00:32:26,798
It's absolutely incredible and we're
759
00:32:26,798 --> 00:32:28,743
so excited to celebrate tonight
760
00:32:28,743 --> 00:32:30,255
all of us!
761
00:32:30,255 --> 00:32:33,959
- We were talking about how
our lives were going to change,
762
00:32:33,959 --> 00:32:36,764
and so I asked the question,
763
00:32:36,764 --> 00:32:40,181
So, what do you think about EPO, Kristin?
764
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,462
Oh, it's a necessary evil.
765
00:32:43,462 --> 00:32:45,629
And I thought, Oh, my God,
766
00:32:46,958 --> 00:32:48,953
she doesn't care.
767
00:32:48,953 --> 00:32:50,786
She just doesn't care.
768
00:32:53,185 --> 00:32:55,124
- [Narrator] Smile, say cheese!
769
00:32:55,124 --> 00:32:56,339
- Howdy!
770
00:32:56,339 --> 00:32:57,960
- Congratulations, friend, on behalf
771
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,356
of all of us in Texas and America,
772
00:33:00,356 --> 00:33:01,781
we're so proud of you.
773
00:33:01,781 --> 00:33:03,538
- He went up and he went up.
774
00:33:03,538 --> 00:33:05,371
Lance is on the wheel.
775
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:08,731
- [Lance] There's Tyler.
776
00:33:08,731 --> 00:33:11,092
Take it easy on camera.
777
00:33:11,092 --> 00:33:11,925
Luis!
778
00:33:11,925 --> 00:33:12,758
- How are you?
779
00:33:12,758 --> 00:33:13,754
Are you tired today?
780
00:33:13,754 --> 00:33:14,919
- [Lance] No.
781
00:33:14,919 --> 00:33:15,752
- Be well.
782
00:33:16,907 --> 00:33:19,884
- [Lance] Carmichael and
Stapleton, unbelievable.
783
00:33:19,884 --> 00:33:21,779
They're so serious.
784
00:33:21,779 --> 00:33:25,268
The man, the myth, Johan Bruyneel.
785
00:33:25,268 --> 00:33:26,589
Say hello to my family.
786
00:33:26,589 --> 00:33:27,672
- Hi, family!
787
00:33:29,164 --> 00:33:30,343
- [Announcer] In Texas, all eyes were on
788
00:33:30,343 --> 00:33:33,235
American Tour de France
winner Lance Armstrong.
789
00:33:33,235 --> 00:33:35,717
A parade was held yesterday
in his honor in Austin,
790
00:33:35,717 --> 00:33:37,514
Armstrong's adopted hometown.
791
00:33:37,514 --> 00:33:41,681
Many people wore yellow, the
colour of the winner's jersey.
792
00:33:44,851 --> 00:33:47,157
(stock market bell)
793
00:33:47,157 --> 00:33:49,486
- [Announcer] Proclaim July
29 in the city of New York as
794
00:33:49,486 --> 00:33:51,153
Lance Armstrong Day.
795
00:33:52,047 --> 00:33:53,324
(cheering)
796
00:33:53,324 --> 00:33:56,297
- [Announcer] Cycling's biggest
prize, the Tour de France,
797
00:33:56,297 --> 00:33:59,346
the first American winner
to lead an American team,
798
00:33:59,346 --> 00:34:01,596
and in record time at that.
799
00:34:04,952 --> 00:34:07,247
- Nobody believed in
us, nobody believed that
800
00:34:07,247 --> 00:34:09,648
if Lance Armstrong took the yellow jersey,
801
00:34:09,648 --> 00:34:10,824
with the help of his team,
802
00:34:10,824 --> 00:34:13,405
on stage eight, how could
they keep it to stage 22?
803
00:34:13,405 --> 00:34:15,104
They thought the team would crack.
804
00:34:15,104 --> 00:34:17,565
But that team of seven out
of nine guys being American,
805
00:34:17,565 --> 00:34:19,739
an American team, an American sponsor,
806
00:34:19,739 --> 00:34:21,579
they were the strongest team in the race.
807
00:34:21,579 --> 00:34:24,750
And everybody in Paris knew that.
808
00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:27,446
And I can assure you that
next year's Tour de France,
809
00:34:27,446 --> 00:34:30,946
there will be no, there'll be no doubters.
810
00:34:36,605 --> 00:34:37,581
- [Announcer] Welcome to Futuroscope
811
00:34:37,581 --> 00:34:39,173
on the outskirts of Poitiers,
812
00:34:39,173 --> 00:34:42,406
and to the 87th running
of the Tour de France.
813
00:34:42,406 --> 00:34:43,445
All of a sudden they're talking
814
00:34:43,445 --> 00:34:46,137
about this EPO test coming out.
815
00:34:46,137 --> 00:34:49,342
- [Announcer] Le mouvement
cycliste est d'accord
816
00:34:49,342 --> 00:34:50,175
de faire.
817
00:34:53,294 --> 00:34:54,961
- We didn't know exactly
when it was coming out,
818
00:34:54,961 --> 00:34:58,628
but no longer could you feel 100% safe.
819
00:35:00,689 --> 00:35:02,758
You take a shot of EPO, you know,
820
00:35:02,758 --> 00:35:05,059
you can get tested the next
day or the day after that.
821
00:35:05,059 --> 00:35:09,226
We weren't 100% sure we
were going to test negative.
822
00:35:10,717 --> 00:35:14,217
So that's when we did a blood transfusion.
823
00:35:16,851 --> 00:35:18,750
- [Announcer] Who was
organizing all of that?
824
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:22,917
- Lance and Johan Bruyneel,
and the doctor, del Moral,
825
00:35:24,711 --> 00:35:27,014
had told me a couple of days
826
00:35:27,014 --> 00:35:30,014
before we made a trip down to Spain.
827
00:35:31,556 --> 00:35:33,781
You know, my first time doing it.
828
00:35:33,781 --> 00:35:37,535
And it seemed kind of,
sort of caveman-like.
829
00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:39,588
You know, taking out your own blood,
830
00:35:39,588 --> 00:35:42,755
not seeing it for three or four weeks.
831
00:35:46,377 --> 00:35:47,793
- [Announcer] Weather conditions out here
832
00:35:47,793 --> 00:35:49,329
really have been atrocious.
833
00:35:49,329 --> 00:35:52,263
It's only around about six
or seven degrees Celsius.
834
00:35:52,263 --> 00:35:54,906
- The night before our first rest day,
835
00:35:54,906 --> 00:35:56,818
we were in this small hotel,
836
00:35:56,818 --> 00:35:59,899
just south of Mont Ventoux,
837
00:35:59,899 --> 00:36:02,051
which is a famous climb in France.
838
00:36:02,051 --> 00:36:03,668
20 minutes before it actually happened,
839
00:36:03,668 --> 00:36:07,522
they told me, We're doing the transfusion.
840
00:36:07,522 --> 00:36:09,939
Re-infuse the blood, tonight.
841
00:36:14,582 --> 00:36:17,458
I arrived in my room
and it was pretty wild.
842
00:36:17,458 --> 00:36:21,934
The staff had sort of prepared
everything, the doctors.
843
00:36:21,934 --> 00:36:24,709
There was a blood bag
taped up on the wall.
844
00:36:24,709 --> 00:36:26,327
You know, a red tube coming down,
845
00:36:26,327 --> 00:36:28,814
a tube filled with blood coming down.
846
00:36:28,814 --> 00:36:32,481
Basically, they, you
know, injected me here.
847
00:36:34,164 --> 00:36:35,218
I have pretty small veins,
848
00:36:35,218 --> 00:36:39,497
so the one place that always
worked was right there.
849
00:36:39,497 --> 00:36:42,769
And it's, you can see the scars today.
850
00:36:42,769 --> 00:36:43,875
It was a big needle.
851
00:36:43,875 --> 00:36:45,366
It's a serious needle.
852
00:36:45,366 --> 00:36:48,923
You don't mess around with those things.
853
00:36:48,923 --> 00:36:51,641
Halfway through it, I'm
like, almost shivering,
854
00:36:51,641 --> 00:36:52,923
because, you know, these bags have been,
855
00:36:52,923 --> 00:36:55,180
you know, in a refrigerator.
856
00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:56,248
So they're almost like, you know,
857
00:36:56,248 --> 00:36:57,675
just taking icy cold water,
858
00:36:57,675 --> 00:37:01,842
nearly a gallon of it, and
pouring it down your throat.
859
00:37:03,286 --> 00:37:05,027
- [Frankie] I never did, you
know, blood transfusions,
860
00:37:05,027 --> 00:37:07,871
growth hormone, whatever.
861
00:37:07,871 --> 00:37:11,946
I wasn't willing to get
into a full doping program.
862
00:37:11,946 --> 00:37:14,586
Betsy was upset, so that
was definitely on my mind.
863
00:37:14,586 --> 00:37:18,503
A little bit of being
scared of getting caught.
864
00:37:19,971 --> 00:37:20,804
- [Announcer] Here is the Devil,
865
00:37:20,804 --> 00:37:24,201
probably wishing some luck to
the US Postal riders today.
866
00:37:24,201 --> 00:37:26,163
- [Tyler] I think we
were all pretty nervous,
867
00:37:26,163 --> 00:37:28,412
but almost giddy about it.
868
00:37:28,412 --> 00:37:29,551
We're in the heart of France
869
00:37:29,551 --> 00:37:32,825
doing this completely illegal procedure.
870
00:37:32,825 --> 00:37:35,064
- [Announcer] US Postal were
pace-making by Frankie Andreu,
871
00:37:35,064 --> 00:37:36,897
but he paid the price.
872
00:37:38,492 --> 00:37:39,980
- I remember, the third week I was dead.
873
00:37:39,980 --> 00:37:44,028
I mean, barely able to get
through it, and just, you know,
874
00:37:44,028 --> 00:37:45,031
it's not an option to quit.
875
00:37:45,031 --> 00:37:46,252
That's the only reason I got through it,
876
00:37:46,252 --> 00:37:47,649
but I was getting dropped and in the back,
877
00:37:47,649 --> 00:37:49,816
and I was suffering a lot.
878
00:37:50,852 --> 00:37:52,584
- [Announcer] I think
he'll just about get in
879
00:37:52,584 --> 00:37:55,630
but he's aiming at the time of 15.27.
880
00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:58,287
We're watching probably the
second-fastest time trial
881
00:37:58,287 --> 00:38:00,007
in the history of the Tour de France.
882
00:38:00,007 --> 00:38:01,509
- I had done a lot to
help Lance Armstrong,
883
00:38:01,509 --> 00:38:02,836
I had done a lot to help the team,
884
00:38:02,836 --> 00:38:04,676
and I just wanted to race one more year,
885
00:38:04,676 --> 00:38:06,702
but they had different thoughts.
886
00:38:06,702 --> 00:38:08,142
- [Announcer] Armstrong rocks and rolls
887
00:38:08,142 --> 00:38:09,672
his way home here now.
888
00:38:09,672 --> 00:38:13,172
His time is 15.01, he wins the time trial.
889
00:38:14,359 --> 00:38:15,456
- Fantastic.
890
00:38:15,456 --> 00:38:16,861
I will definitely come back.
891
00:38:16,861 --> 00:38:18,194
I will definitely be back next year.
892
00:38:18,194 --> 00:38:19,178
I don't know how many more years,
893
00:38:19,178 --> 00:38:21,105
but definitely be back next year.
894
00:38:21,105 --> 00:38:25,001
- [Betsy] He finished
111th, but on Lance's team,
895
00:38:25,001 --> 00:38:29,168
it doesn't pay to finish
111th when you're at the Tour.
896
00:38:30,457 --> 00:38:33,292
- I would say, Johan, thanks
for giving us the vision,
897
00:38:33,292 --> 00:38:36,125
but we already had the vision, so.
898
00:38:37,121 --> 00:38:39,371
(cheering)
899
00:38:41,153 --> 00:38:42,125
- Here we are at this Tour de France
900
00:38:42,125 --> 00:38:44,316
party with hundreds of people
901
00:38:44,316 --> 00:38:48,787
and everybody is celebrating
the cancer survivor's
902
00:38:48,787 --> 00:38:50,721
incredible win at the most grueling
903
00:38:50,721 --> 00:38:51,996
sporting event in the world.
904
00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:54,258
What wasn't there to celebrate?
905
00:38:54,258 --> 00:38:55,508
It was a fraud.
906
00:38:56,804 --> 00:38:58,054
It was a fraud.
907
00:39:00,219 --> 00:39:02,469
(cheering)
908
00:39:09,285 --> 00:39:11,711
Stephanie McIlvain wasn't invited
909
00:39:11,711 --> 00:39:12,863
to the Tour De France party,
910
00:39:12,863 --> 00:39:14,869
which we found very peculiar
911
00:39:14,869 --> 00:39:17,487
given that she was
Lance's personal liaison,
912
00:39:17,487 --> 00:39:19,738
so she went as our guest
913
00:39:19,738 --> 00:39:23,924
and we clicked and a friendship was born.
914
00:39:23,924 --> 00:39:28,254
Stephanie had been there with
us visiting Lance in Indiana,
915
00:39:28,254 --> 00:39:30,843
and the hospital incident came up,
916
00:39:30,843 --> 00:39:34,661
and Stephanie and I were marveling at how
917
00:39:34,661 --> 00:39:38,078
Lance was snowballing the American media,
918
00:39:39,003 --> 00:39:43,170
because they were just
buying into this fairy tale.
919
00:39:47,433 --> 00:39:50,236
- It seemed like it worked,
seemed like it worked.
920
00:39:50,236 --> 00:39:53,389
Now, looking back, Oh,
my God, what was I doing?
921
00:39:53,389 --> 00:39:55,700
But you're so deep into it,
922
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:58,339
you know, you don't even have time
923
00:39:58,339 --> 00:40:03,191
to take a half step back
and look at the big picture.
924
00:40:03,191 --> 00:40:04,901
- I think if we all stepped back
925
00:40:04,901 --> 00:40:08,403
and looked at the great
franchises that have been built.
926
00:40:08,403 --> 00:40:10,045
- I'm glad we didn't get caught.
927
00:40:10,045 --> 00:40:12,369
I would have been.
928
00:40:12,369 --> 00:40:14,648
We all would have been.
929
00:40:14,648 --> 00:40:17,315
(intense music)
930
00:40:23,243 --> 00:40:24,555
- [Frankie] It became very divided.
931
00:40:24,555 --> 00:40:26,775
You were on Lance's side
or you were on my side.
932
00:40:26,775 --> 00:40:28,904
And ultimately, you know, he
had control of who was hired,
933
00:40:28,904 --> 00:40:30,654
fired, and whichever.
934
00:40:34,188 --> 00:40:36,462
- Frankie was a good guy.
935
00:40:36,462 --> 00:40:37,624
To have your career end
936
00:40:37,624 --> 00:40:40,917
because you wouldn't get
on Lance's doping program?
937
00:40:40,917 --> 00:40:43,055
It's just, it's not right.
938
00:40:43,055 --> 00:40:45,279
- [Announcer] Please welcome 1999's ESPY
939
00:40:45,279 --> 00:40:48,175
comeback athlete of the year.
940
00:40:48,175 --> 00:40:49,282
- We're all in this together,
941
00:40:49,282 --> 00:40:51,194
it's going to touch all our lives.
942
00:40:51,194 --> 00:40:53,148
We will win this fight one day.
943
00:40:53,148 --> 00:40:54,146
(upbeat music)
944
00:40:54,146 --> 00:40:55,825
- Lance called me one day
945
00:40:55,825 --> 00:40:57,808
and said, We're putting
together this foundation,
946
00:40:57,808 --> 00:40:59,137
Lance Armstrong foundation.
947
00:40:59,137 --> 00:41:02,637
We're going to focus on testicular cancer.
948
00:41:04,756 --> 00:41:06,118
- Tour de France, baby.
949
00:41:06,118 --> 00:41:07,195
Lance Armstrong.
950
00:41:07,195 --> 00:41:08,362
Maillot jaune.
951
00:41:11,846 --> 00:41:14,900
- Thank you, Lance, thank you!
952
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:16,284
I love you!
953
00:41:16,284 --> 00:41:18,725
- People believed in Lance.
954
00:41:18,725 --> 00:41:19,940
They believed in his story,
955
00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:21,862
they believed in his hope.
956
00:41:21,862 --> 00:41:23,366
- We're all going to leave, I think,
957
00:41:23,366 --> 00:41:25,238
with a different
perspective on this illness,
958
00:41:25,238 --> 00:41:26,319
and a different perspective
959
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:28,479
on this movement called survivor ship.
960
00:41:28,479 --> 00:41:30,234
- I tip my hat to Lance Armstrong
961
00:41:30,234 --> 00:41:32,901
and to the whole US Postal Team.
962
00:41:37,405 --> 00:41:42,051
- The success of the foundation
began to grow and succeed,
963
00:41:42,051 --> 00:41:46,204
literally in tandem with Lance's success
964
00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:47,931
Tour after Tour after Tour.
965
00:41:47,931 --> 00:41:49,989
- 15,000 dollars.
966
00:41:49,989 --> 00:41:51,287
Can we go 20?
967
00:41:51,287 --> 00:41:53,037
Sold, 30,000 dollars.
968
00:41:54,174 --> 00:41:57,033
- They approached me about exploring
969
00:41:57,033 --> 00:41:59,044
the possibility of coming down
970
00:41:59,044 --> 00:42:00,819
and running the foundation.
971
00:42:00,819 --> 00:42:02,294
- Sold, 56,000 dollars.
972
00:42:02,294 --> 00:42:05,555
- My motivation, my primary motivation,
973
00:42:05,555 --> 00:42:07,555
in taking that position,
974
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:10,410
was the fact that I had,
975
00:42:12,726 --> 00:42:14,976
a very personal experience.
976
00:42:16,619 --> 00:42:19,314
I had been diagnosed with cancer.
977
00:42:19,314 --> 00:42:21,953
- We believe in life, your life.
978
00:42:21,953 --> 00:42:25,834
- [Steve] Greg LeMond was
my friend, and I called him.
979
00:42:25,834 --> 00:42:27,146
- And I begged him.
980
00:42:27,146 --> 00:42:29,748
I said, Steve, you won't make it.
981
00:42:29,748 --> 00:42:31,517
I said, You are way too ethical.
982
00:42:31,517 --> 00:42:35,036
I'm just telling you, don't do it.
983
00:42:35,036 --> 00:42:37,703
- But I needed to talk to Lance.
984
00:42:39,101 --> 00:42:41,351
We met at a bar and I said,
985
00:42:43,356 --> 00:42:46,579
is there anything that might happen
986
00:42:46,579 --> 00:42:48,912
that would negatively impact
987
00:42:50,063 --> 00:42:54,179
the work of the foundation
and me professionally?
988
00:42:54,179 --> 00:42:58,262
And he put his beer down
and looked me in the eye
989
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,488
and said, Steve, you have
nothing to worry about.
990
00:43:02,488 --> 00:43:04,231
We're going to have a good ride on this.
991
00:43:04,231 --> 00:43:06,398
This is going to be great.
992
00:43:09,117 --> 00:43:10,199
- [Announcer] And there is Armstrong.
993
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:12,609
He's not looking good, he's
all over his machine right now.
994
00:43:12,609 --> 00:43:13,749
He doesn't look good, Phil.
995
00:43:13,749 --> 00:43:15,611
he should not be riding
so far down the group.
996
00:43:15,611 --> 00:43:17,866
He's obviously having a very hard day.
997
00:43:17,866 --> 00:43:21,429
This is where you have to race
alone and Armstrong's gone.
998
00:43:21,429 --> 00:43:22,514
A big move by Lance, this
999
00:43:22,514 --> 00:43:25,323
and no reply coming at
all from Jan Ullrich.
1000
00:43:25,323 --> 00:43:27,121
Ullrich has got no answer to this.
1001
00:43:27,121 --> 00:43:30,219
- [Announcer] He's fooled
everybody in the Tour de France.
1002
00:43:30,219 --> 00:43:32,298
I never expected Armstrong to do this.
1003
00:43:32,298 --> 00:43:35,828
He has ripped the field apart
and he is climbing now to the.
1004
00:43:35,828 --> 00:43:38,219
And he was riding to
win the Tour de France.
1005
00:43:38,219 --> 00:43:40,501
Now are we seeing the foundations
1006
00:43:40,501 --> 00:43:42,191
of the man who will win the Tour
1007
00:43:42,191 --> 00:43:44,004
for the third time in Paris?
1008
00:43:44,004 --> 00:43:47,754
Yes, that's the one I
wanted and I've got it.
1009
00:43:48,985 --> 00:43:51,025
- I had been convinced for some time
1010
00:43:51,025 --> 00:43:54,608
that Armstrong worked
with Michele Ferrari.
1011
00:43:57,465 --> 00:43:59,934
I got the Italian police to help me.
1012
00:43:59,934 --> 00:44:01,931
They got me evidence that Lance,
1013
00:44:01,931 --> 00:44:02,909
in the space of two years,
1014
00:44:02,909 --> 00:44:05,909
spent 13 days in the town of Ferrara
1015
00:44:06,807 --> 00:44:08,331
and the only reason, if
you were Lance Armstrong,
1016
00:44:08,331 --> 00:44:13,073
for being in Ferrara, was
to see this doping doctor.
1017
00:44:13,073 --> 00:44:15,100
- [Announcer] L'americain se
rend au conference de presse
1018
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:16,303
comme sur la route,
1019
00:44:16,303 --> 00:44:19,370
il n'a allude aucune
question sur le Dopage.
1020
00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:20,203
- Wow!
1021
00:44:20,203 --> 00:44:21,405
- [Greg] He had to do a press conference
1022
00:44:21,405 --> 00:44:22,879
on the rest day in Pau.
1023
00:44:22,879 --> 00:44:24,299
- I think this is a clean tour.
1024
00:44:24,299 --> 00:44:27,005
- And in that press
conference, 16 questions go,
1025
00:44:27,005 --> 00:44:29,472
no questions about doping and then bang,
1026
00:44:29,472 --> 00:44:31,291
first question is asked
1027
00:44:31,291 --> 00:44:33,716
and the doping questions then come like a,
1028
00:44:33,716 --> 00:44:35,292
like in an avalanche.
1029
00:44:35,292 --> 00:44:38,214
And as soon as the
question turned to doping,
1030
00:44:38,214 --> 00:44:40,426
Lance did something quite strange.
1031
00:44:40,426 --> 00:44:41,751
- I believe he's an honest man,
1032
00:44:41,751 --> 00:44:42,772
I believe he's a fair man
1033
00:44:42,772 --> 00:44:44,583
and I believe he's an innocent man.
1034
00:44:44,583 --> 00:44:47,442
- He started fixing his gaze on me.
1035
00:44:47,442 --> 00:44:49,326
and even though it was
some journalist over here
1036
00:44:49,326 --> 00:44:50,994
who asked the question,
1037
00:44:50,994 --> 00:44:53,491
Lance would refer to me in his answer.
1038
00:44:53,491 --> 00:44:55,890
- I've never denied the relationship.
1039
00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:56,890
Even to you.
1040
00:45:00,689 --> 00:45:02,112
People are not stupid.
1041
00:45:02,112 --> 00:45:05,109
They say, Has Lance Armstrong
ever tested positive?
1042
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:06,100
No.
1043
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:07,625
Has Lance Armstrong been tested?
1044
00:45:07,625 --> 00:45:08,767
A lot.
1045
00:45:08,767 --> 00:45:12,434
- But I found that just
wholly unconvincing.
1046
00:45:14,567 --> 00:45:16,330
- Two weeks later, David Walsh called up
1047
00:45:16,330 --> 00:45:19,423
and I'm like, God, I, I
don't know what to say.
1048
00:45:19,423 --> 00:45:22,184
So I chose my words as well as I could
1049
00:45:22,184 --> 00:45:25,900
and I just said, I'm
disappointed he's seeing Ferrari.
1050
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:27,935
And then David posed the question, now,
1051
00:45:27,935 --> 00:45:31,177
if he's clean, would you consider
this the greatest comeback
1052
00:45:31,177 --> 00:45:32,266
in the history of sport?
1053
00:45:32,266 --> 00:45:34,236
And I said, Absolutely.
1054
00:45:34,236 --> 00:45:36,956
And he said, but what if he isn't?
1055
00:45:36,956 --> 00:45:40,623
I said, Then it would
be the greatest fraud.
1056
00:45:42,757 --> 00:45:45,179
- After that comment came out,
1057
00:45:45,179 --> 00:45:48,288
our whole lives changed in an hour
1058
00:45:48,288 --> 00:45:51,187
after that was published.
1059
00:45:51,187 --> 00:45:52,839
- We went out to dinner
1060
00:45:52,839 --> 00:45:55,797
and Lance, he said, Fucking LeMond.
1061
00:45:55,797 --> 00:45:57,382
His comments about Ferrari
1062
00:45:57,382 --> 00:45:59,842
and how he's disappointed
that I'm working with Ferrari.
1063
00:45:59,842 --> 00:46:01,064
Lance flipped.
1064
00:46:01,064 --> 00:46:02,733
You know, and at that
dinner it was vent session.
1065
00:46:02,733 --> 00:46:04,009
Who does Greg think he is?
1066
00:46:04,009 --> 00:46:05,071
I'm going to destroy him,
1067
00:46:05,071 --> 00:46:06,497
all this kind of stuff.
1068
00:46:06,497 --> 00:46:09,999
- And I said, Yeah, but I
thought Ferrari's a bad guy.
1069
00:46:09,999 --> 00:46:13,249
And he just looked at me and he glared.
1070
00:46:14,784 --> 00:46:18,117
And he said, I'm going to fuck him over.
1071
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:28,061
- Lance returned to the US.
1072
00:46:28,061 --> 00:46:30,144
He was scheduled to throw
1073
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:34,494
the opening game baseball
at Yankee Stadium.
1074
00:46:34,494 --> 00:46:38,287
And he was sitting in his
hotel room at the Four Seasons.
1075
00:46:38,287 --> 00:46:40,037
He calls Greg LeMond.
1076
00:46:43,245 --> 00:46:44,841
- [Kathy] We were at bag claim,
1077
00:46:44,841 --> 00:46:48,114
Minneapolis airport, I
had pulled up outside.
1078
00:46:48,114 --> 00:46:49,614
and the phone rang
1079
00:46:50,738 --> 00:46:52,791
and Greg says, It's Lance.
1080
00:46:52,791 --> 00:46:54,155
- He said, Oh, come on,
1081
00:46:54,155 --> 00:46:56,691
your win in '89 was a
miracle, just like mine,
1082
00:46:56,691 --> 00:46:58,441
in '99, I said, whoa.
1083
00:47:00,166 --> 00:47:01,602
That's where you're wrong, buddy,
1084
00:47:01,602 --> 00:47:03,258
'cause mine wasn't a miracle.
1085
00:47:03,258 --> 00:47:06,088
I worked my ass off, I
barely won by eight seconds.
1086
00:47:06,088 --> 00:47:06,921
No miracle there.
1087
00:47:06,921 --> 00:47:08,835
- [Announcer] By eight seconds.
1088
00:47:08,835 --> 00:47:12,304
- He said to Greg, You're
telling me you never did EPO?
1089
00:47:12,304 --> 00:47:13,538
- Absolutely not.
1090
00:47:13,538 --> 00:47:16,056
Oh, come on, everybody takes EPO.
1091
00:47:16,056 --> 00:47:17,294
And he mentioned drugs that I
1092
00:47:17,294 --> 00:47:19,088
never heard of.
1093
00:47:19,088 --> 00:47:21,255
Hemasist, Hemopure, PFC's.
1094
00:47:22,824 --> 00:47:25,186
He listed probably 10
drugs I'd never heard of.
1095
00:47:25,186 --> 00:47:26,147
Is that what you think I'm on?
1096
00:47:26,147 --> 00:47:27,488
I'm like, whoa.
1097
00:47:27,488 --> 00:47:29,738
- You know, he was vicious.
1098
00:47:31,325 --> 00:47:33,081
- [Greg] He said, Well, if
you want to throw stones,
1099
00:47:33,081 --> 00:47:34,628
I'll throw stones.
1100
00:47:34,628 --> 00:47:35,906
And he said, I'll get people,
1101
00:47:35,906 --> 00:47:38,515
I'll get ten people to say you took EPO.
1102
00:47:38,515 --> 00:47:39,749
Holy shit.
1103
00:47:39,749 --> 00:47:41,241
- And Greg.
1104
00:47:41,241 --> 00:47:42,710
just said, I'm sorry,
1105
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:45,334
but if anybody comes
out saying I used EPO,
1106
00:47:45,334 --> 00:47:47,916
I'm going to know it came from you
1107
00:47:47,916 --> 00:47:50,104
and you paid 'em.
1108
00:47:50,104 --> 00:47:51,467
(phone rings)
1109
00:47:51,467 --> 00:47:52,300
- 'Cause I know that Steve
1110
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:54,196
was working at Lance Armstrong Foundation,
1111
00:47:54,196 --> 00:47:55,381
I called him just to say,
1112
00:47:55,381 --> 00:47:57,222
you know, This is what happened to me.
1113
00:47:57,222 --> 00:47:58,974
This is Greg LeMond calling.
1114
00:47:58,974 --> 00:48:00,626
- He was clearly shaken.
1115
00:48:00,626 --> 00:48:04,945
And he proceeds over the
course of 45 minutes to an hour
1116
00:48:04,945 --> 00:48:08,492
telling me exactly what
had just transpired.
1117
00:48:08,492 --> 00:48:10,678
Including the threat.
1118
00:48:10,678 --> 00:48:13,501
The next day, I get a call from Lance.
1119
00:48:13,501 --> 00:48:15,418
And he proceeds to tell
1120
00:48:16,903 --> 00:48:19,403
of his conversation with Greg.
1121
00:48:20,303 --> 00:48:23,827
He was out of control,
he was clearly drunk.
1122
00:48:23,827 --> 00:48:25,158
- We've gotten reports back
1123
00:48:25,158 --> 00:48:29,121
that, Oh, yeah, Greg had a
drug and alcohol problem.
1124
00:48:29,121 --> 00:48:32,288
I actually had a reporter
call and ask me one day,
1125
00:48:32,288 --> 00:48:34,712
if Greg had a heroin problem.
1126
00:48:34,712 --> 00:48:36,389
- What was interesting
1127
00:48:36,389 --> 00:48:37,889
is Lance's version
1128
00:48:38,908 --> 00:48:41,896
was completely different
than Greg's version
1129
00:48:41,896 --> 00:48:46,063
and it was certainly at that
moment in time I thought.
1130
00:48:49,486 --> 00:48:51,736
I have been made a fool of.
1131
00:48:54,089 --> 00:48:56,339
(cheering)
1132
00:49:00,676 --> 00:49:04,093
I packed my car and I drove out of Texas.
1133
00:49:06,656 --> 00:49:08,777
And the next day I resigned.
1134
00:49:08,777 --> 00:49:11,098
- Absolutely, I had to learn
a lot about the illness
1135
00:49:11,098 --> 00:49:13,458
and I had to learn a lot about my options.
1136
00:49:13,458 --> 00:49:14,291
- Mm-hm.
1137
00:49:14,291 --> 00:49:16,776
Did you ever consider
the option of giving up?
1138
00:49:16,776 --> 00:49:17,916
- Oh, no.
1139
00:49:17,916 --> 00:49:18,752
(applause)
1140
00:49:18,752 --> 00:49:19,851
- That's great.
1141
00:49:19,851 --> 00:49:20,934
That's great.
1142
00:49:21,909 --> 00:49:23,159
Because it's not an option, is it?
1143
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:25,159
It's just not an option.
1144
00:49:32,284 --> 00:49:33,283
(horns)
1145
00:49:33,283 --> 00:49:35,276
- Tyler Hamilton left the team,
1146
00:49:35,276 --> 00:49:37,869
because Tyler was incredibly ambitious
1147
00:49:37,869 --> 00:49:40,914
and he was resentful of Lance's profile.
1148
00:49:40,914 --> 00:49:45,442
He was a absolutely driven
guy, a bit like Lance,
1149
00:49:45,442 --> 00:49:47,723
had to win and Tyler thought
1150
00:49:47,723 --> 00:49:49,472
the only way that I can win the Tour
1151
00:49:49,472 --> 00:49:51,496
is to be in another team
1152
00:49:51,496 --> 00:49:54,393
and when I go and leave this team
1153
00:49:54,393 --> 00:49:56,162
I then am going to get a doping program
1154
00:49:56,162 --> 00:49:57,939
just as good, if not better than Lance's.
1155
00:49:57,939 --> 00:49:59,856
- [Announcer] One, two.
1156
00:50:00,810 --> 00:50:03,193
- [Tyler] There became more
stresses, you know, having to
1157
00:50:03,193 --> 00:50:06,628
work with my own special
doctor there in Spain,
1158
00:50:06,628 --> 00:50:08,683
having to organize those trips.
1159
00:50:08,683 --> 00:50:10,744
It wasn't the team handling it.
1160
00:50:10,744 --> 00:50:11,673
(whistle)
1161
00:50:11,673 --> 00:50:14,319
The easy part about the US
Postal Service cycling team
1162
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:16,160
for me in terms of doping was
1163
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,962
it was all kind of taken care of,
1164
00:50:17,962 --> 00:50:19,994
like, one-stop shopping.
1165
00:50:19,994 --> 00:50:21,741
- [Announcer] Stuart O'Grady
has moved too far back
1166
00:50:21,741 --> 00:50:23,293
and there's been a mass pile-up there,
1167
00:50:23,293 --> 00:50:24,827
it was Tyler went down,
1168
00:50:24,827 --> 00:50:27,303
and the peloton completely
crashing on the line.
1169
00:50:27,303 --> 00:50:30,977
- And if Tyler Hamilton
left the team, Lance needed
1170
00:50:30,977 --> 00:50:34,343
a young American guy, preferably,
to take Tyler's place.
1171
00:50:34,343 --> 00:50:36,547
Floyd was the obvious example.
1172
00:50:36,547 --> 00:50:39,265
He was talented, he was
gritty, he was tough
1173
00:50:39,265 --> 00:50:43,163
and he's saying to Johan,
I'll do whatever it takes.
1174
00:50:43,163 --> 00:50:44,213
- We have to make sure that
1175
00:50:44,213 --> 00:50:46,425
we're not in a situation
like Pyrenees, for example.
1176
00:50:46,425 --> 00:50:48,580
Floyd will remember that very well.
1177
00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:49,413
Floyd.
1178
00:50:49,413 --> 00:50:50,246
- Thanks for pointing that out, yes.
1179
00:50:50,246 --> 00:50:51,952
I won't forget that any time soon.
1180
00:50:51,952 --> 00:50:53,610
- You're 27 seconds faster than
1181
00:50:53,610 --> 00:50:55,943
and 40 seconds faster than.
1182
00:50:57,026 --> 00:50:58,938
Boys, come on, keep it together.
1183
00:50:58,938 --> 00:50:59,771
We're going to win it.
1184
00:50:59,771 --> 00:51:01,162
- [Greg] There was a train here
1185
00:51:01,162 --> 00:51:02,932
and it was dripping with gravy.
1186
00:51:02,932 --> 00:51:04,647
- Here they are, a blue train.
1187
00:51:04,647 --> 00:51:05,944
- And these guys were desperate
1188
00:51:05,944 --> 00:51:08,795
to mop up as much as they
could for themselves.
1189
00:51:08,795 --> 00:51:11,113
Because the financial rewards were huge.
1190
00:51:11,113 --> 00:51:12,530
- OK, OK, OK, OK!
1191
00:51:13,458 --> 00:51:15,904
- [Announcer] This is the best
team in the world right now.
1192
00:51:15,904 --> 00:51:18,737
- I saw what I deemed a huge fraud
1193
00:51:19,631 --> 00:51:22,381
being played out on a world stage
1194
00:51:23,540 --> 00:51:25,185
and there was no place,
1195
00:51:25,185 --> 00:51:26,602
no place to turn.
1196
00:51:27,495 --> 00:51:29,420
(cheering)
1197
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:31,285
- Journalists had approached me
1198
00:51:31,285 --> 00:51:33,550
and some of them had got questions
they'd e-mailed me across
1199
00:51:33,550 --> 00:51:37,749
and stuff were very close
to what was going on.
1200
00:51:37,749 --> 00:51:39,856
- All the peloton were
on Armstrong's side.
1201
00:51:39,856 --> 00:51:41,918
The sponsors are on Armstrong's side.
1202
00:51:41,918 --> 00:51:45,319
The UCI were on Armstrong's side.
1203
00:51:45,319 --> 00:51:48,934
Everybody had a stake in
Lance being a success.
1204
00:51:48,934 --> 00:51:51,715
And of course anybody who accused him
1205
00:51:51,715 --> 00:51:55,109
was deemed an enemy of the sport.
1206
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:56,722
- [Announcer] London
sports writer, David Walsh
1207
00:51:56,722 --> 00:52:00,282
accuses Armstrong of doping
in the book, LA Confidential.
1208
00:52:00,282 --> 00:52:02,033
The book, published only in France,
1209
00:52:02,033 --> 00:52:04,651
quotes Armstrong's
former massage therapist,
1210
00:52:04,651 --> 00:52:07,592
who claims she covered up
injection marks with make up.
1211
00:52:07,592 --> 00:52:10,728
- I remember I was sweeping
my sitting room floor,
1212
00:52:10,728 --> 00:52:12,532
Sky Sports is on.
1213
00:52:12,532 --> 00:52:13,450
In the corner of my eye
1214
00:52:13,450 --> 00:52:15,682
I can see the ticker
tape underneath it go,
1215
00:52:15,682 --> 00:52:19,849
and it says, Former Armstrong
masseuse, Emma O'Reilly.
1216
00:52:21,015 --> 00:52:22,724
spills the beans, blah, blah, blah.
1217
00:52:22,724 --> 00:52:24,348
I'm thinking.
1218
00:52:24,348 --> 00:52:25,516
I have to say my first thought was,
1219
00:52:25,516 --> 00:52:28,499
I am going to get David
Walsh and wring his neck.
1220
00:52:28,499 --> 00:52:30,052
- I'll say one thing about the book
1221
00:52:30,052 --> 00:52:33,567
and especially since our
esteemed author is here.
1222
00:52:33,567 --> 00:52:37,713
In my view, I think
extraordinary accusations
1223
00:52:37,713 --> 00:52:39,296
must be followed up
1224
00:52:40,518 --> 00:52:42,601
with extraordinary proof.
1225
00:52:43,449 --> 00:52:45,777
And they have not come up
with extraordinary proof.
1226
00:52:45,777 --> 00:52:47,938
- Why couldn't it just be proof,
1227
00:52:47,938 --> 00:52:51,771
that allegations must
be followed up by proof?
1228
00:52:52,902 --> 00:52:57,069
And what Lance was saying
is that, when you're an icon
1229
00:52:58,001 --> 00:53:01,628
who sits as high in the firmament as I do,
1230
00:53:01,628 --> 00:53:04,983
you have to have extraordinary
proof to bring me down.
1231
00:53:04,983 --> 00:53:06,153
And it was true.
1232
00:53:06,153 --> 00:53:07,773
What he was saying was right.
1233
00:53:07,773 --> 00:53:11,390
Different rules apply to the gods.
1234
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:12,640
And I am a god.
1235
00:53:14,402 --> 00:53:16,744
- Mr Armstrong's legal team
1236
00:53:16,744 --> 00:53:18,522
was very concerned about the book
1237
00:53:18,522 --> 00:53:21,090
and wanted to discredit David Walsh.
1238
00:53:21,090 --> 00:53:24,331
They knew one of the sources
was likely Betsy Andreu
1239
00:53:24,331 --> 00:53:26,939
and they wanted Betsy
Andreu and Frankie Andreu
1240
00:53:26,939 --> 00:53:28,730
to distance themselves from the book
1241
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:30,699
and say Mr Walsh had it wrong.
1242
00:53:30,699 --> 00:53:34,397
- Lance told me that
his two, his two agents,
1243
00:53:34,397 --> 00:53:37,456
Bill Stapleton and Bart
Knaggs wanted to talk with me.
1244
00:53:37,456 --> 00:53:38,831
So I was like, OK.
1245
00:53:38,831 --> 00:53:40,273
You know, I knew what was coming,
1246
00:53:40,273 --> 00:53:41,514
I knew what it was going to be about.
1247
00:53:41,514 --> 00:53:43,701
- He asked me, he said, Shall
I tape the conversation?
1248
00:53:43,701 --> 00:53:47,868
I said, Hell, yeah, because
they'll say it never happened.
1249
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:53,166
- We met in the parking lot
of the Tour de France start
1250
00:53:53,166 --> 00:53:54,534
after everybody had, you know,
1251
00:53:54,534 --> 00:53:56,344
all the riders had left and so,
1252
00:53:56,344 --> 00:53:57,373
I put a tape recorder in my pocket
1253
00:53:57,373 --> 00:53:59,956
and I tape recorded everything.
1254
00:54:10,013 --> 00:54:11,686
'Cause I didn't trust
these guys, you know.
1255
00:54:11,686 --> 00:54:13,552
Still don't trust them.
1256
00:54:13,552 --> 00:54:16,213
They talked about how bad
it would be for the sport
1257
00:54:16,213 --> 00:54:20,213
if Lance gets in trouble
and all this comes out.
1258
00:54:24,714 --> 00:54:26,848
They wanted her to sign an affidavit
1259
00:54:26,848 --> 00:54:28,509
saying she would never go against
1260
00:54:28,509 --> 00:54:30,112
Lance Armstrong for the rest of her life.
1261
00:54:30,112 --> 00:54:31,445
Something crazy.
1262
00:54:48,709 --> 00:54:50,539
You can imagine when I
brought that up to Betsy,
1263
00:54:50,539 --> 00:54:52,721
So, Bets, they want you to sign something
1264
00:54:52,721 --> 00:54:53,865
saying you'll never sue
1265
00:54:53,865 --> 00:54:55,628
or go against Lance Armstrong and it was,
1266
00:54:55,628 --> 00:54:57,367
it was just a bunch of cuss words.
1267
00:54:57,367 --> 00:54:58,200
- Yeah!
1268
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,373
Because I saw what they were doing.
1269
00:54:59,373 --> 00:55:00,873
It was ridiculous.
1270
00:55:02,277 --> 00:55:04,809
OK, first of all Frankie loses his job
1271
00:55:04,809 --> 00:55:09,665
because he won't get on
a doping program and now.
1272
00:55:09,665 --> 00:55:14,079
They are trying to get
me to sign something
1273
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,119
to support Lance?
1274
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:17,717
Whom I believe is cheating?
1275
00:55:17,717 --> 00:55:19,785
It's not going to happen.
1276
00:55:19,785 --> 00:55:21,577
- [Announcer] There's no
argument who the champion
1277
00:55:21,577 --> 00:55:23,430
is of the Tour de France.
1278
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:25,425
- [Betsy] And when I refused.
1279
00:55:25,425 --> 00:55:27,709
- It's been four times now,
how do you differentiate.
1280
00:55:27,709 --> 00:55:30,026
- It just was not good
for Frankie's career.
1281
00:55:30,026 --> 00:55:31,714
- [Reporter] Thank you, Lance.
1282
00:55:31,714 --> 00:55:34,710
- [Announcer] The yellow jersey
is owned by only one man,
1283
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:37,622
as it has been for the last eight days.
1284
00:55:37,622 --> 00:55:41,256
- Lance Armstrong benefited
from SCA and Bob Hammond paying
1285
00:55:41,256 --> 00:55:43,996
an enormous amount of prize money for him,
1286
00:55:43,996 --> 00:55:48,453
winning races that Lance
Armstrong swore he won cleanly.
1287
00:55:48,453 --> 00:55:50,669
- [Announcer] As he races
the line to the victory.
1288
00:55:50,669 --> 00:55:53,056
- [Laywer] Total amount
to Lance if he won all
1289
00:55:53,056 --> 00:55:54,730
of the Tour de France races
1290
00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:56,258
came close to almost 10 million.
1291
00:55:56,258 --> 00:55:57,091
- Lance, well done.
1292
00:55:57,091 --> 00:55:58,587
Back for more next year?
1293
00:55:58,587 --> 00:55:59,777
- Ha, ha.
1294
00:55:59,777 --> 00:56:00,930
Probably.
1295
00:56:00,930 --> 00:56:05,017
- When somebody consistently
goes against the odds,
1296
00:56:05,017 --> 00:56:06,582
the evidence is that perhaps
1297
00:56:06,582 --> 00:56:08,821
the odds aren't what you think they are
1298
00:56:08,821 --> 00:56:11,794
and something else is present
1299
00:56:11,794 --> 00:56:14,542
and quite often that's cheating.
1300
00:56:14,542 --> 00:56:15,574
(cheering)
1301
00:56:15,574 --> 00:56:16,407
- [Announcer] He is down the ramp
1302
00:56:16,407 --> 00:56:18,029
for the last time in his career.
1303
00:56:18,029 --> 00:56:21,645
- I've decided that the Tour
de France will be my last race
1304
00:56:21,645 --> 00:56:23,091
as a professional cyclist.
1305
00:56:23,091 --> 00:56:26,220
- [Announcer] It is the picture
we will never see again.
1306
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:30,041
A rider in yellow we've
come to know since 1999.
1307
00:56:30,041 --> 00:56:31,994
You won't believe what
the crowd are doing here.
1308
00:56:31,994 --> 00:56:34,748
They are leaping in every direction
1309
00:56:34,748 --> 00:56:38,164
as Lance Armstrong brings
it to an end as a winner.
1310
00:56:38,164 --> 00:56:40,439
History in the making, he now retires
1311
00:56:40,439 --> 00:56:42,728
seven times a winner
of the Tour De France.
1312
00:56:42,728 --> 00:56:45,808
- [Announcer] Lance Armstrong!
1313
00:56:45,808 --> 00:56:47,028
- The last thing I'll say for the people
1314
00:56:47,028 --> 00:56:48,724
that don't believe in cycling,
1315
00:56:48,724 --> 00:56:51,448
the cynics and the sceptics,
1316
00:56:51,448 --> 00:56:52,317
I'm sorry for you,
1317
00:56:52,317 --> 00:56:53,816
I'm sorry you can't dream big,
1318
00:56:53,816 --> 00:56:56,020
and I'm sorry you don't
believe in miracles,
1319
00:56:56,020 --> 00:56:57,438
but this is one hell of a race.
1320
00:56:57,438 --> 00:57:01,869
This is a great sporting
event and you should believe.
1321
00:57:01,869 --> 00:57:03,632
Vive La Tour.
1322
00:57:03,632 --> 00:57:04,465
For ever.
1323
00:57:04,465 --> 00:57:05,614
Thank you.
1324
00:57:05,614 --> 00:57:07,495
(national anthem)
1325
00:57:07,495 --> 00:57:09,745
(cheering)
1326
00:57:15,634 --> 00:57:17,744
- Good morning, this begins
video tape number one,
1327
00:57:17,744 --> 00:57:20,990
in the arbitration matter
of Lance Armstrong et al
1328
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:24,000
versus SCA Promotions Incorporated et al.
1329
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,814
- Bob Hamman kind of basically
felt that he'd been duped,
1330
00:57:27,814 --> 00:57:29,026
he'd already paid Lance,
1331
00:57:29,026 --> 00:57:31,671
I think four and a half
million at that time,
1332
00:57:31,671 --> 00:57:34,437
he balked at paying the last
five million dollar bonus.
1333
00:57:34,437 --> 00:57:36,517
- Mr Armstrong, my name is Jeff Tillotson,
1334
00:57:36,517 --> 00:57:37,350
I represent.
1335
00:57:37,350 --> 00:57:38,542
- [Narrator] It became a law suit
1336
00:57:38,542 --> 00:57:41,523
and over the course of
about a year and a half,
1337
00:57:41,523 --> 00:57:43,925
we took depositions,
which is sworn testimony,
1338
00:57:43,925 --> 00:57:46,175
we ploghed through records.
1339
00:57:49,111 --> 00:57:50,698
- The day before the SCA deposition,
1340
00:57:50,698 --> 00:57:52,915
I received a phone call from him.
1341
00:57:52,915 --> 00:57:54,641
Lance, just calling to
see how you're doing.
1342
00:57:54,641 --> 00:57:56,173
I hadn't talked to the guy
in like, four years, you know
1343
00:57:56,173 --> 00:57:59,640
and saying, Ah, you know I heard this is,
1344
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,054
Kathy LeMond said this,
that Betsy said this.
1345
00:58:02,054 --> 00:58:03,883
He was prying for
information and questions
1346
00:58:03,883 --> 00:58:06,633
and trying to say, Hey, I'm here.
1347
00:58:08,187 --> 00:58:09,914
I'm right at your door.
1348
00:58:09,914 --> 00:58:12,150
And then he showed up at the door step.
1349
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:14,190
So when I showed up,
1350
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:17,243
I saw Lance walking in the hallway
1351
00:58:17,243 --> 00:58:19,605
and I thought, Oh, my gosh.
1352
00:58:19,605 --> 00:58:22,013
- She was so nervous, she
was literally shaking,
1353
00:58:22,013 --> 00:58:24,343
because there she was,
to give a deposition
1354
00:58:24,343 --> 00:58:27,190
and Lance Armstrong had flown from Austin,
1355
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:30,610
on his private jet to
watch her testify about him
1356
00:58:30,610 --> 00:58:32,243
and she knew exactly what kind of message
1357
00:58:32,243 --> 00:58:34,027
he was trying to send.
1358
00:58:34,027 --> 00:58:37,849
- There was a long table
in the conference room
1359
00:58:37,849 --> 00:58:40,099
and it was me and my lawyer
1360
00:58:41,911 --> 00:58:42,744
and Lance.
1361
00:58:44,289 --> 00:58:45,949
I was furious.
1362
00:58:45,949 --> 00:58:47,619
- [Judge] Why?
1363
00:58:47,619 --> 00:58:49,591
- So I saw what Lance was doing,
1364
00:58:49,591 --> 00:58:51,183
how he was on his BlackBerry,
1365
00:58:51,183 --> 00:58:53,310
how he was on his computer.
1366
00:58:53,310 --> 00:58:54,143
Because.
1367
00:58:56,397 --> 00:58:58,534
It wasn't a lie.
1368
00:58:58,534 --> 00:58:59,975
I'm not going to say somebody
1369
00:58:59,975 --> 00:59:01,837
is lying when they are not lying.
1370
00:59:01,837 --> 00:59:04,910
- She was the first witness
who effectively said,
1371
00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:06,380
I don't care what happens to me.
1372
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:07,428
I'm going to tell the truth.
1373
00:59:07,428 --> 00:59:09,420
- [Judge] First, tell me where you were.
1374
00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:10,453
- Michel's.
1375
00:59:10,453 --> 00:59:11,967
It's a restaurant in Villefranche.
1376
00:59:11,967 --> 00:59:14,131
I had never been in a deposition before,
1377
00:59:14,131 --> 00:59:16,027
so when I didn't remember something,
1378
00:59:16,027 --> 00:59:19,123
a restaurant, I had leaned
over and I asked Lance.
1379
00:59:19,123 --> 00:59:20,621
- It is Villefranche, isn't it, Lance?
1380
00:59:20,621 --> 00:59:22,149
- [Lance] Objection.
1381
00:59:22,149 --> 00:59:22,982
- [Judge] Well.
1382
00:59:22,982 --> 00:59:24,893
- You can't do that, hold it,
hold it, you can't do that.
1383
00:59:24,893 --> 00:59:28,260
So it was, I was just
answering questions honestly.
1384
00:59:28,260 --> 00:59:30,904
- [Judge] I just would like
you to recount what took place
1385
00:59:30,904 --> 00:59:34,237
in the Indiana University Hospital room.
1386
00:59:35,272 --> 00:59:37,733
- The doctor asked him
a couple of questions
1387
00:59:37,733 --> 00:59:41,921
and then came the question, have you ever
1388
00:59:41,921 --> 00:59:45,290
taken any performance-enhancing drugs?
1389
00:59:45,290 --> 00:59:46,224
And Lance said, yes.
1390
00:59:46,224 --> 00:59:47,701
The doctor said, What were they?
1391
00:59:47,701 --> 00:59:49,078
And he said,
1392
00:59:49,078 --> 00:59:53,245
EPO, growth hormone, cortisone,
steroids and testosterone.
1393
00:59:55,023 --> 00:59:57,076
- [Judge] Did any medical person ask you
1394
00:59:57,076 --> 00:59:59,213
while you were at the
Indiana University Hospital
1395
00:59:59,213 --> 01:00:00,216
whether you had ever used
1396
01:00:00,216 --> 01:00:03,433
any sort of performance-enhancing
drugs or substances?
1397
01:00:03,433 --> 01:00:04,387
- No.
1398
01:00:04,387 --> 01:00:07,148
- [Judge] Can you offer,
can you help explain to me
1399
01:00:07,148 --> 01:00:10,322
why Miss Andreu would make that story up?
1400
01:00:10,322 --> 01:00:12,953
Well, she said in her
deposition she hates me.
1401
01:00:12,953 --> 01:00:14,665
- I don't know how the
doctor phrased the question,
1402
01:00:14,665 --> 01:00:17,089
but Lance's response was
that he had taken EPO
1403
01:00:17,089 --> 01:00:20,006
and testosterone and growth hormone
1404
01:00:22,227 --> 01:00:23,394
and cortisone.
1405
01:00:25,284 --> 01:00:26,537
- [Judge] Why would Mr Andreu
1406
01:00:26,537 --> 01:00:29,539
say the same things, if you know?
1407
01:00:29,539 --> 01:00:31,648
- Probably to support his wife, which.
1408
01:00:31,648 --> 01:00:33,832
I don't know if you're
married or not, but.
1409
01:00:33,832 --> 01:00:34,665
- [Judge] I am.
1410
01:00:34,665 --> 01:00:36,665
- Sometimes is required.
1411
01:00:37,567 --> 01:00:38,975
- [Judge] So your
testimony that Mr. Andreu
1412
01:00:38,975 --> 01:00:41,225
was also lying when he said
1413
01:00:42,527 --> 01:00:43,552
that he heard you say those
1414
01:00:43,552 --> 01:00:44,616
things regarding your prior use?
1415
01:00:44,616 --> 01:00:45,616
- 100%.
1416
01:00:51,582 --> 01:00:53,101
But I feel for him.
1417
01:00:53,101 --> 01:00:54,592
- [Judge] What do you mean by that?
1418
01:00:54,592 --> 01:00:58,425
- I think he's trying
to back up his old lady.
1419
01:00:59,305 --> 01:01:00,545
- [Jeff] Frankie Andreu was under
1420
01:01:00,545 --> 01:01:02,350
extremely difficult circumstances
1421
01:01:02,350 --> 01:01:04,433
at that particular point in time,
1422
01:01:04,433 --> 01:01:07,135
all of which was a result
of Lance Armstrong.
1423
01:01:07,135 --> 01:01:08,604
- [Judge] Did Mr Armstrong ever tell you
1424
01:01:08,604 --> 01:01:11,445
during that time period that he definitely
1425
01:01:11,445 --> 01:01:13,219
was not going to use EPO
1426
01:01:13,219 --> 01:01:15,478
and no-one else should use EPO?
1427
01:01:15,478 --> 01:01:16,754
- No.
1428
01:01:16,754 --> 01:01:19,563
Did he indicate to you that
he was going to use EPO
1429
01:01:19,563 --> 01:01:20,895
or consider using EPO?
1430
01:01:20,895 --> 01:01:21,728
- No.
1431
01:01:28,457 --> 01:01:31,957
- He said openly and to the
public that Betsy was crazy.
1432
01:01:31,957 --> 01:01:35,938
They implied behind the scenes
that Betsy wasn't believable
1433
01:01:35,938 --> 01:01:37,320
and perhaps unstable.
1434
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,017
Everything you can possibly think of
1435
01:01:39,017 --> 01:01:42,605
as a way to hurt someone,
they basically employed.
1436
01:01:42,605 --> 01:01:43,735
- [Judge] And what is it you told Frankie
1437
01:01:43,735 --> 01:01:45,652
after leaving the room?
1438
01:01:48,149 --> 01:01:48,982
- I.
1439
01:02:01,616 --> 01:02:02,927
His modus operandi,
1440
01:02:02,927 --> 01:02:06,399
which was, don't attack the message.
1441
01:02:06,399 --> 01:02:08,005
Attack the messenger.
1442
01:02:08,005 --> 01:02:10,771
So, if people don't know
me, people are going to say,
1443
01:02:10,771 --> 01:02:13,396
Well, wait a minute, who is this woman?
1444
01:02:13,396 --> 01:02:15,786
Her husband stopped racing early.
1445
01:02:15,786 --> 01:02:18,015
If he was so good, why did he do that?
1446
01:02:18,015 --> 01:02:19,991
If Lance is dirty,
1447
01:02:19,991 --> 01:02:22,766
then why hasn't the
governing body caught him?
1448
01:02:22,766 --> 01:02:25,525
Why does USA Cycling back him?
1449
01:02:25,525 --> 01:02:27,543
Why do his sponsors back him?
1450
01:02:27,543 --> 01:02:31,006
Why does he keep getting
more and more money from him?
1451
01:02:31,006 --> 01:02:34,357
How come none of these
doctors, who allegedly heard
1452
01:02:34,357 --> 01:02:35,622
what happened in the hospital room,
1453
01:02:35,622 --> 01:02:37,754
how come they're remaining quiet?
1454
01:02:37,754 --> 01:02:41,067
How come nobody has backed
her up for that hospital room?
1455
01:02:41,067 --> 01:02:43,400
Look at his legions of fans.
1456
01:02:44,618 --> 01:02:47,479
He has a foundation fighting cancer.
1457
01:02:47,479 --> 01:02:51,604
What is this woman doing
besides raising her own kids?
1458
01:02:51,604 --> 01:02:53,612
His problem was never with Frankie.
1459
01:02:53,612 --> 01:02:55,706
- [Judge] And after Mr
Armstrong told the doctor
1460
01:02:55,706 --> 01:02:58,387
he was using certain
performance enhancing drugs,
1461
01:02:58,387 --> 01:03:00,807
did your husband ever tell you,
1462
01:03:00,807 --> 01:03:03,068
That's wrong, he hasn't done those drugs?
1463
01:03:03,068 --> 01:03:06,006
Not your husband, but Mr Armstrong?
1464
01:03:06,006 --> 01:03:06,839
- No.
1465
01:03:14,279 --> 01:03:16,021
- How could it have taken place
1466
01:03:16,021 --> 01:03:18,860
when I've never taken
performance-enhancing drugs?
1467
01:03:18,860 --> 01:03:19,960
How could that have happened?
1468
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:20,793
- [Judge] That's my point.
1469
01:03:20,793 --> 01:03:21,629
It's not just simply
1470
01:03:21,629 --> 01:03:22,462
you don't recall?
1471
01:03:22,462 --> 01:03:23,910
- How many times do I have to say it?
1472
01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:24,751
- [Judge] I'm just trying to make sure
1473
01:03:24,751 --> 01:03:26,606
your testimony is clear.
1474
01:03:26,606 --> 01:03:28,043
- Well, if it can't be any clearer than,
1475
01:03:28,043 --> 01:03:30,196
I've never taken drugs,
1476
01:03:30,196 --> 01:03:32,621
then incidents like that
could never have happened.
1477
01:03:32,621 --> 01:03:33,454
- [Judge] OK.
1478
01:03:33,454 --> 01:03:35,121
- How clear is that?
1479
01:03:36,797 --> 01:03:38,844
- These are things that are so devious,
1480
01:03:38,844 --> 01:03:40,923
if untrue, but so powerful
1481
01:03:40,923 --> 01:03:44,511
when you use with people that
makes you a compelling liar.
1482
01:03:44,511 --> 01:03:45,382
I'll give you an example.
1483
01:03:45,382 --> 01:03:47,000
Bad liar, Richard Nixon.
1484
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,981
Sweaty, looks suspicious,
said goofy things
1485
01:03:49,981 --> 01:03:52,078
when people challenged
him, I'm not a crook.
1486
01:03:52,078 --> 01:03:53,873
Great liar, Lance Armstrong.
1487
01:03:53,873 --> 01:03:55,128
I never doped.
1488
01:03:55,128 --> 01:03:56,620
I passed every test.
1489
01:03:56,620 --> 01:03:58,087
And anyone who challenges me,
1490
01:03:58,087 --> 01:04:01,326
I'm currently suing and
are proving they're lying.
1491
01:04:01,326 --> 01:04:03,011
That's a good liar.
1492
01:04:03,011 --> 01:04:04,011
- Greg, who.
1493
01:04:05,363 --> 01:04:07,769
I know has serious
drinking and drug problems,
1494
01:04:07,769 --> 01:04:12,037
was clearly intoxicated,
yelling, screaming.
1495
01:04:12,037 --> 01:04:13,980
- It started off as, you know,
1496
01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:15,606
Hey, Greg, I thought we were friends.
1497
01:04:15,606 --> 01:04:16,869
- Friends?
1498
01:04:16,869 --> 01:04:18,238
What do you mean friends?
1499
01:04:18,238 --> 01:04:21,459
- He said, Well, if you
want to throw stones.
1500
01:04:21,459 --> 01:04:22,514
I can throw stones.
1501
01:04:22,514 --> 01:04:25,960
- [Lawyer] He went after his
reputation, his livelihood
1502
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,414
and his way of life.
1503
01:04:27,414 --> 01:04:28,914
- Well let me see.
1504
01:04:30,343 --> 01:04:32,057
Being called potentially the biggest fraud
1505
01:04:32,057 --> 01:04:34,474
in the history of the sport.
1506
01:04:34,474 --> 01:04:36,228
That was a little bit upsetting.
1507
01:04:36,228 --> 01:04:39,409
- He's set out to destroy
me every step of the way.
1508
01:04:39,409 --> 01:04:43,399
I lost a company that did 20
million in sales in the US.
1509
01:04:43,399 --> 01:04:44,732
- Oh, he, you know, he said,
1510
01:04:44,732 --> 01:04:47,321
The sport is full of crooks
and thieves and liars.
1511
01:04:47,321 --> 01:04:49,214
- I've been at trade shows,
where dealers that said.
1512
01:04:49,214 --> 01:04:52,409
I would see and that I knew
and they wouldn't even.
1513
01:04:52,409 --> 01:04:55,375
They wouldn't even look at me.
1514
01:04:55,375 --> 01:04:56,552
- He didn't like that either.
1515
01:04:56,552 --> 01:04:57,385
- How could this be?
1516
01:04:57,385 --> 01:05:00,155
How could it be that my career
1517
01:05:00,155 --> 01:05:01,489
collide with this guy
1518
01:05:01,489 --> 01:05:03,857
and then he takes everything away from me?
1519
01:05:03,857 --> 01:05:06,940
- We also wanted to believe in Lance.
1520
01:05:11,569 --> 01:05:15,380
And it was hard to find
out that it wasn't.
1521
01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:17,190
I don't know why I'm crying,
1522
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:21,010
but it was really hard to find out that.
1523
01:05:21,010 --> 01:05:23,127
this was going on.
1524
01:05:23,127 --> 01:05:25,833
- It's been awful stressful.
1525
01:05:25,833 --> 01:05:30,146
If I'd known for a second,
I wouldn't have done it.
1526
01:05:30,146 --> 01:05:32,150
- [Lawyer] They were very, very mean
1527
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:34,119
and very dismissive of Emma O'Reilly
1528
01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:36,978
as they were really
almost of all the women
1529
01:05:36,978 --> 01:05:40,107
that testified against Mr Armstrong.
1530
01:05:40,107 --> 01:05:43,459
- Afraid that we were
going to out her as a.
1531
01:05:43,459 --> 01:05:44,383
All these things she said.
1532
01:05:44,383 --> 01:05:45,351
As a whore or whatever.
1533
01:05:45,351 --> 01:05:46,184
I don't know.
1534
01:05:46,184 --> 01:05:47,017
Primarily.
1535
01:05:47,889 --> 01:05:49,536
- You don't talk about people like that!
1536
01:05:49,536 --> 01:05:50,706
And also to.
1537
01:05:50,706 --> 01:05:51,897
By calling me those names,
1538
01:05:51,897 --> 01:05:54,535
calling me basically an
alcoholic prostitute,
1539
01:05:54,535 --> 01:05:55,704
it's just attacking me personally,
1540
01:05:55,704 --> 01:06:00,484
but it's not addressing the
points that I brought up.
1541
01:06:00,484 --> 01:06:01,396
You know, and that's probably
1542
01:06:01,396 --> 01:06:04,238
what upset me the most over it all.
1543
01:06:04,238 --> 01:06:05,338
- [Narrator] Raise your right hand please.
1544
01:06:05,338 --> 01:06:06,562
Do you solemnly state your testimony
1545
01:06:06,562 --> 01:06:07,809
shall be the truth, whole truth
1546
01:06:07,809 --> 01:06:09,205
and nothing but the truth so help you God?
1547
01:06:09,205 --> 01:06:10,038
- I do.
1548
01:06:10,038 --> 01:06:12,463
- We had been told that Stephanie McIlvain
1549
01:06:12,463 --> 01:06:14,866
would testify that, yes,
1550
01:06:14,866 --> 01:06:17,483
she heard Mr Armstrong admit to drug use,
1551
01:06:17,483 --> 01:06:19,605
so we went out to depose her in California
1552
01:06:19,605 --> 01:06:22,376
at her place of business,
which was Oakley.
1553
01:06:22,376 --> 01:06:23,467
- [Judge] What kind of things do you do?
1554
01:06:23,467 --> 01:06:24,884
- I take care of.
1555
01:06:26,161 --> 01:06:29,562
Well, I take care of Lance
Armstrong and cycling also.
1556
01:06:29,562 --> 01:06:32,337
- She called us up and she was in tears.
1557
01:06:32,337 --> 01:06:33,976
Lance called me!
1558
01:06:33,976 --> 01:06:36,031
Lance is pissed!
1559
01:06:36,031 --> 01:06:38,214
And I thought, Oh, my God!
1560
01:06:38,214 --> 01:06:40,495
I said, You're going to lie, Stephanie.
1561
01:06:40,495 --> 01:06:42,241
You're going to lie to keep your job.
1562
01:06:42,241 --> 01:06:44,162
- Stephanie needed that job.
1563
01:06:44,162 --> 01:06:45,823
Her husband worked for Oakley.
1564
01:06:45,823 --> 01:06:47,276
He needed the job.
1565
01:06:47,276 --> 01:06:50,756
She's got a young son who's autistic.
1566
01:06:50,756 --> 01:06:53,310
They were in an extremely
difficult position.
1567
01:06:53,310 --> 01:06:54,880
- [Judge] Where you
ever in a hospital room,
1568
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,312
or other part of the
hospital with Mr Armstrong,
1569
01:06:57,312 --> 01:07:00,490
where he said anything about
performance-enhancing drugs?
1570
01:07:00,490 --> 01:07:02,106
- No.
1571
01:07:02,106 --> 01:07:03,730
- [Judge] Do you have any recollection
1572
01:07:03,730 --> 01:07:05,868
of any doctor in your presence
1573
01:07:05,868 --> 01:07:09,368
asking Mr Armstrong if he used in the past
1574
01:07:11,632 --> 01:07:13,993
any performance-enhancing
drugs or substances?
1575
01:07:13,993 --> 01:07:15,517
- No.
1576
01:07:15,517 --> 01:07:17,915
- Betsy was going to
be thrown under the bus
1577
01:07:17,915 --> 01:07:19,296
and I finally told her.
1578
01:07:19,296 --> 01:07:23,296
I said, Betsy. I recorded
her and I have a tape.
1579
01:07:24,266 --> 01:07:26,766
(phone rings)
1580
01:07:37,879 --> 01:07:38,879
Greg LeMond!
1581
01:07:40,967 --> 01:07:43,384
- [Stephanie] I'm doing well.
1582
01:08:25,848 --> 01:08:27,265
- [Greg] I agree.
1583
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,699
- This recording was done
well before her deposition,
1584
01:08:31,699 --> 01:08:35,422
so all we could conclude from
that was someone got to her.
1585
01:08:35,422 --> 01:08:37,668
Because she clearly changed her testimony.
1586
01:08:37,668 --> 01:08:39,850
- Stephanie told me many times
1587
01:08:39,850 --> 01:08:41,891
that she heard the rumination.
1588
01:08:41,891 --> 01:08:45,980
Stephanie told me that her
ultimate boss, Jim Jannard,
1589
01:08:45,980 --> 01:08:50,610
CEO and founder of Oakley
knew about Lance Armstrong's
1590
01:08:50,610 --> 01:08:51,811
doping.
1591
01:08:51,811 --> 01:08:54,125
She had had conversations with Jim Jannard
1592
01:08:54,125 --> 01:08:56,997
that discussed Lance's doping and stories
1593
01:08:56,997 --> 01:08:59,268
that Jim had heard from Lance
1594
01:08:59,268 --> 01:09:01,435
concerning Lance's doping.
1595
01:09:17,344 --> 01:09:19,048
- Once I made that recording public
1596
01:09:19,048 --> 01:09:21,038
to the Lance Armstrong side,
1597
01:09:21,038 --> 01:09:23,705
saying, I think you've
monkeyed with this witness,
1598
01:09:23,705 --> 01:09:25,782
literally all hell broke loose.
1599
01:09:25,782 --> 01:09:28,102
- I said, You lied, didn't you?
1600
01:09:28,102 --> 01:09:29,743
I just had this bad feeling.
1601
01:09:29,743 --> 01:09:31,932
You lied, didn't you, Stephanie?
1602
01:09:31,932 --> 01:09:34,349
Pat was told, if I make
the company look bad,
1603
01:09:34,349 --> 01:09:35,512
that we'll both lose our jobs.
1604
01:09:35,512 --> 01:09:37,476
We can't afford to lose our jobs, Betsy.
1605
01:09:37,476 --> 01:09:39,133
We don't have college degrees.
1606
01:09:39,133 --> 01:09:40,186
Where are we going to go?
1607
01:09:40,186 --> 01:09:42,186
What are we going to do?
1608
01:09:43,567 --> 01:09:44,978
She made her bed.
1609
01:09:44,978 --> 01:09:46,811
She made her decision.
1610
01:09:51,388 --> 01:09:52,371
- [Narrator] A foul!
1611
01:09:52,371 --> 01:09:53,204
Wow!
1612
01:10:32,831 --> 01:10:36,164
- [Betsy] So, our relationship was over.
1613
01:10:37,855 --> 01:10:40,454
- If you have a doping
offence, or you test positive,
1614
01:10:40,454 --> 01:10:42,266
it goes without saying that you're fired,
1615
01:10:42,266 --> 01:10:43,895
from all of your contracts,
1616
01:10:43,895 --> 01:10:46,221
not just the team, but there's
1617
01:10:46,221 --> 01:10:50,817
numerous contracts that I
have that would all go away.
1618
01:10:50,817 --> 01:10:52,002
- [Judge] Sponsorship
agreements, for example?
1619
01:10:52,002 --> 01:10:53,730
- All of them!
1620
01:10:53,730 --> 01:10:54,563
- And.
1621
01:10:55,655 --> 01:10:59,436
The faith of all the cancer
survivors around the world,
1622
01:10:59,436 --> 01:11:03,911
so everything I do off of
the bike would go away, too.
1623
01:11:03,911 --> 01:11:07,492
And don't think for a second
I don't understand that.
1624
01:11:07,492 --> 01:11:09,814
- Either everyone who I had talked to,
1625
01:11:09,814 --> 01:11:12,174
and all the evidence I had
gathered, and all the scientists
1626
01:11:12,174 --> 01:11:14,348
and other people were liars,
1627
01:11:14,348 --> 01:11:17,194
which I found frankly impossible,
1628
01:11:17,194 --> 01:11:20,425
or Lance approached basically
a clinical sociopath.
1629
01:11:20,425 --> 01:11:23,062
Someone able to do wrong without remorse,
1630
01:11:23,062 --> 01:11:26,370
or care as to who they
hurt in the process.
1631
01:11:26,370 --> 01:11:27,853
The former was unpalatable.
1632
01:11:27,853 --> 01:11:29,786
The latter was scary.
1633
01:11:29,786 --> 01:11:30,761
That we were litigating
1634
01:11:30,761 --> 01:11:33,879
with someone who would
do anything to prevail.
1635
01:11:33,879 --> 01:11:36,872
- It's not about money for me.
1636
01:11:36,872 --> 01:11:38,319
Everything.
1637
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:40,437
It's also about the faith
that people have put in me
1638
01:11:40,437 --> 01:11:42,726
over the years, so all
of that would be erased,
1639
01:11:42,726 --> 01:11:43,652
so I don't need it
1640
01:11:43,652 --> 01:11:44,558
to say in a contract,
1641
01:11:44,558 --> 01:11:46,877
You're fired if you test positive.
1642
01:11:46,877 --> 01:11:49,582
That's not as important
1643
01:11:49,582 --> 01:11:53,749
as losing the support of
hundreds of millions of people.
1644
01:11:55,731 --> 01:11:57,356
That's an easy question.
1645
01:11:57,356 --> 01:11:58,641
- [Reed] The SCA case was settled
1646
01:11:58,641 --> 01:12:01,817
on really what it said in the contract.
1647
01:12:01,817 --> 01:12:04,167
- Lance has always followed
the rules of the Tour de France
1648
01:12:04,167 --> 01:12:05,984
and he's won seven times.
1649
01:12:05,984 --> 01:12:08,624
Every time he wins, and
he's a certified winner,
1650
01:12:08,624 --> 01:12:09,944
he's followed the rules
1651
01:12:09,944 --> 01:12:12,917
and Tailwind has had an
obligation to pay him.
1652
01:12:12,917 --> 01:12:15,353
- After all, he was still officially
1653
01:12:15,353 --> 01:12:17,029
the Tour de France winner.
1654
01:12:17,029 --> 01:12:18,306
That was really the question and,
1655
01:12:18,306 --> 01:12:21,388
if SCA went forward with that case,
1656
01:12:21,388 --> 01:12:23,571
it would have been a big risk.
1657
01:12:23,571 --> 01:12:26,030
So they ended up paying
Armstrong seven million
1658
01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:27,780
dollars to settle it.
1659
01:12:30,777 --> 01:12:32,027
- We just paid.
1660
01:12:32,984 --> 01:12:36,151
Lance slipped past the gates and said,
1661
01:12:37,635 --> 01:12:40,052
time to fold your tent, boys.
1662
01:12:42,637 --> 01:12:44,197
- [Announcer] Floyd Landis
used to ride alongside
1663
01:12:44,197 --> 01:12:47,522
Lance Armstrong on the US
Postal Service for three years.
1664
01:12:47,522 --> 01:12:51,689
They've split up in a little
bit of a disenchantment.
1665
01:12:52,694 --> 01:12:54,861
Well, Floyd Landis has launched an attack.
1666
01:12:54,861 --> 01:12:58,379
He's trying to ride all of these men off.
1667
01:12:58,379 --> 01:13:00,546
Surely with eight minutes.
1668
01:13:02,138 --> 01:13:05,226
He is one of the great riders
of this race once again.
1669
01:13:05,226 --> 01:13:07,301
This is one of the most
incredible performances
1670
01:13:07,301 --> 01:13:08,400
I've seen.
1671
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:09,233
It's fine.
1672
01:13:10,767 --> 01:13:12,293
- [Reporter] Is it nice
to come out of the shadows
1673
01:13:12,293 --> 01:13:14,607
of Armstrong in such a golden style?
1674
01:13:14,607 --> 01:13:15,440
- Yeah!
1675
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:16,972
Again, I've said many times
1676
01:13:16,972 --> 01:13:21,848
I was one of the lucky ones
to be part of his seven wins.
1677
01:13:21,848 --> 01:13:24,098
(applause)
1678
01:13:25,695 --> 01:13:27,158
- Yet another doping scandal hits
1679
01:13:27,158 --> 01:13:28,919
the very top of the Tour de France.
1680
01:13:28,919 --> 01:13:30,440
- [Reporter] Floyd, right here!
1681
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:31,274
- Yes, the winner
1682
01:13:31,274 --> 01:13:33,604
of this year's prestigious
cycling race, Floyd Landis,
1683
01:13:33,604 --> 01:13:36,143
has tested positive for testosterone.
1684
01:13:36,143 --> 01:13:38,640
It's the first time in
the Tour de France's
1685
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:39,869
history that a winner.
1686
01:13:39,869 --> 01:13:40,702
- When I look back now,
1687
01:13:40,702 --> 01:13:43,486
nobody on that team was ever positive.
1688
01:13:43,486 --> 01:13:44,434
No positives.
1689
01:13:44,434 --> 01:13:45,652
The moment they left,
1690
01:13:45,652 --> 01:13:47,906
every rider that was a competitor,
1691
01:13:47,906 --> 01:13:52,073
that Armstrong didn't like,
boom, they're positive.
1692
01:13:54,593 --> 01:13:56,401
- [Announcer] Remember, it's not a race.
1693
01:13:56,401 --> 01:13:58,129
- It's been an amazing year.
1694
01:13:58,129 --> 01:14:00,617
I stood up here last year
and everybody at their table
1695
01:14:00,617 --> 01:14:04,273
had little pieces of yellow
silicon sitting there.
1696
01:14:04,273 --> 01:14:08,053
And somewhere along the way,
50 million of them were sold.
1697
01:14:08,053 --> 01:14:10,528
(cheering)
1698
01:14:10,528 --> 01:14:11,733
- Woo!
1699
01:14:11,733 --> 01:14:13,441
- [Reporter] What showed
up in your sample?
1700
01:14:13,441 --> 01:14:14,274
- Nothing.
1701
01:14:16,852 --> 01:14:18,532
- Were you doping at the Tour de France?
1702
01:14:18,532 --> 01:14:19,365
- No.
1703
01:14:20,231 --> 01:14:24,442
- I told Frankie, I can't
believe nobody's ever asked you
1704
01:14:24,442 --> 01:14:28,264
whether or not you've ever done
anything or tried anything.
1705
01:14:28,264 --> 01:14:31,322
But if somebody does, I'm not
going to be one of the wives
1706
01:14:31,322 --> 01:14:32,956
who stand by you as you lie.
1707
01:14:32,956 --> 01:14:34,362
I'm not going to do it.
1708
01:14:34,362 --> 01:14:35,929
- I raced for 12 years as a professional.
1709
01:14:35,929 --> 01:14:39,159
I used EPO at a at a certain moment.
1710
01:14:39,159 --> 01:14:41,404
- There are many people
out there that worry
1711
01:14:41,404 --> 01:14:42,267
whether they have cancer
1712
01:14:42,267 --> 01:14:45,140
in their families or not that
cancer is going to get them.
1713
01:14:45,140 --> 01:14:47,244
It's the scariest disease there is.
1714
01:14:47,244 --> 01:14:48,585
And we think we're making a difference.
1715
01:14:48,585 --> 01:14:50,097
- I agree.
1716
01:14:50,097 --> 01:14:51,843
- One of my biggest accomplishments
1717
01:14:51,843 --> 01:14:54,190
was raising my son Lance.
1718
01:14:54,190 --> 01:14:58,107
I am so proud to be the
mom of Lance Armstrong.
1719
01:15:00,420 --> 01:15:02,563
- We will lose more than 560,000
1720
01:15:02,563 --> 01:15:04,693
Americans to cancer this year.
1721
01:15:04,693 --> 01:15:06,295
- [Reporter] Landis was
stripped of his title
1722
01:15:06,295 --> 01:15:08,979
and banned from the sport for two years.
1723
01:15:08,979 --> 01:15:11,167
- It's time for a government
that wages a war against cancer
1724
01:15:11,167 --> 01:15:15,141
as aggressive as the war
cancer wages against us.
1725
01:15:15,141 --> 01:15:18,932
- We will beat this dreaded
disease, and we will win.
1726
01:15:18,932 --> 01:15:21,388
(cheering)
1727
01:15:21,388 --> 01:15:22,221
- [Floyd] The longer it went on,
1728
01:15:22,221 --> 01:15:24,620
the more impressed I am that Lance
1729
01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:26,017
could maintain a story like
1730
01:15:26,017 --> 01:15:29,479
that that was nearly 100% fabricated.
1731
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,646
And still live such an obnoxious life.
1732
01:15:33,936 --> 01:15:35,903
And not even try to hide it.
1733
01:15:35,903 --> 01:15:40,070
I mean, I'm a guy that
he's never really even met.
1734
01:15:46,886 --> 01:15:51,134
- Mr President, you've been
a long-time friend of mine.
1735
01:15:51,134 --> 01:15:51,967
Thank you.
1736
01:15:51,967 --> 01:15:53,485
Thank you for being a
friend and for allowing us
1737
01:15:53,485 --> 01:15:57,235
to be here to talk about
this critical issue.
1738
01:15:58,253 --> 01:15:59,337
As some of you may or may not know,
1739
01:15:59,337 --> 01:16:02,504
I've decided to race my bicycle again.
1740
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:05,929
(applause)
1741
01:16:07,944 --> 01:16:10,370
- Lance came back, because
he couldn't stay away.
1742
01:16:10,370 --> 01:16:12,211
- Please welcome seven-time
1743
01:16:12,211 --> 01:16:14,801
Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong.
1744
01:16:14,801 --> 01:16:16,378
(cheering)
1745
01:16:16,378 --> 01:16:18,510
- Why couldn't he stay away?
1746
01:16:18,510 --> 01:16:19,961
Because it's like
1747
01:16:19,961 --> 01:16:23,861
the oldest theme in Hollywood
that you've ever come across.
1748
01:16:23,861 --> 01:16:27,778
The jewel thief, the bank
robber, the assassin.
1749
01:16:29,974 --> 01:16:31,805
They do their jobs brilliantly.
1750
01:16:31,805 --> 01:16:33,405
They win every time.
1751
01:16:33,405 --> 01:16:35,675
They kill all the people they should kill,
1752
01:16:35,675 --> 01:16:37,630
they get all the jewels they should get,
1753
01:16:37,630 --> 01:16:40,020
they get all the money from
the bank they should get.
1754
01:16:40,020 --> 01:16:43,187
Somebody comes and says, one more job.
1755
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,690
Just one more little turn of the carousel.
1756
01:16:50,690 --> 01:16:52,523
And they can't resist.
1757
01:16:54,332 --> 01:16:58,499
Because that was them living
like they'd never lived before
1758
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,300
or they will never live again.
1759
01:17:04,333 --> 01:17:07,120
- I cannot guarantee a
victory this time, I'm not.
1760
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:07,953
What?
1761
01:17:07,953 --> 01:17:10,203
- Please stop your whining.
1762
01:17:15,538 --> 01:17:18,438
- I'd made several requests
to interview Lance,
1763
01:17:18,438 --> 01:17:19,630
especially when he announced
1764
01:17:19,630 --> 01:17:21,633
that he was going to be different
this time with the media,
1765
01:17:21,633 --> 01:17:23,380
that he was going to
be open and transparent
1766
01:17:23,380 --> 01:17:24,213
and there wasn't going to be
1767
01:17:24,213 --> 01:17:25,815
any of the stuff that had gone on before
1768
01:17:25,815 --> 01:17:28,119
where he had been very, very difficult.
1769
01:17:28,119 --> 01:17:29,536
And I baited him.
1770
01:17:31,362 --> 01:17:35,529
Lance, we've spoken recently
about the return of Ivan Basso
1771
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:39,917
and Floyd Landis after their suspensions.
1772
01:17:40,833 --> 01:17:42,309
What is it about these dopers
1773
01:17:42,309 --> 01:17:45,360
that you seem to admire so much?
1774
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:46,193
- Excuse me?
1775
01:17:46,193 --> 01:17:47,026
What is your name again?
1776
01:17:47,026 --> 01:17:48,140
- [Paul] My name is Paul Kimmage,
1777
01:17:48,140 --> 01:17:49,573
I work for The Sunday Times.
1778
01:17:49,573 --> 01:17:52,572
I asked for an interview,
but I didn't get one.
1779
01:17:52,572 --> 01:17:53,564
- Right, and just as a little preface,
1780
01:17:53,564 --> 01:17:55,684
I might just clear up one thing.
1781
01:17:55,684 --> 01:17:56,567
The reason you didn't get it,
1782
01:17:56,567 --> 01:17:58,286
Paul, I wanted to make sure that was you,
1783
01:17:58,286 --> 01:18:01,366
because I don't know what you look like.
1784
01:18:01,366 --> 01:18:03,283
When I decided to come back
1785
01:18:03,283 --> 01:18:06,863
for what I think is a very noble reason,
1786
01:18:06,863 --> 01:18:10,237
you said, Folks, the cancer has
1787
01:18:10,237 --> 01:18:12,640
been in remission for four years,
1788
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,307
but our cancer has now returned.
1789
01:18:16,582 --> 01:18:17,499
Meaning me.
1790
01:18:19,022 --> 01:18:21,332
I am here to fight this disease.
1791
01:18:21,332 --> 01:18:23,400
I am here so that I don't
have to deal with it,
1792
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:24,699
you don't have to deal with it,
1793
01:18:24,699 --> 01:18:25,789
none of us have to deal with it,
1794
01:18:25,789 --> 01:18:28,244
my children don't have to deal with it.
1795
01:18:28,244 --> 01:18:30,497
But yet you said that I am the cancer.
1796
01:18:30,497 --> 01:18:32,793
So, I think it goes without saying,
1797
01:18:32,793 --> 01:18:36,120
no, we're not going to sit
down and do an interview.
1798
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,313
And I don't think anybody in this room
1799
01:18:38,313 --> 01:18:40,140
would sit down for that interview.
1800
01:18:40,140 --> 01:18:42,242
You are not worth the chair
that you're sitting on
1801
01:18:42,242 --> 01:18:43,618
with a statement like that.
1802
01:18:43,618 --> 01:18:47,785
With a disease that touches
everybody around the world.
1803
01:19:07,786 --> 01:19:09,847
- [Interviewer] Getting back
to the Tour Of California.
1804
01:19:09,847 --> 01:19:12,097
(laughter)
1805
01:19:16,685 --> 01:19:18,621
- [Announcer] Armstrong,
shades of his seven victories
1806
01:19:18,621 --> 01:19:19,590
in the Tour de France,
1807
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:21,373
he's got happy memories of the Pyrenees
1808
01:19:21,373 --> 01:19:24,483
and they're all coming back now.
1809
01:19:24,483 --> 01:19:28,755
- When Floyd has lost all
his money, fighting his ban,
1810
01:19:28,755 --> 01:19:30,571
and he calls up Johan Bruyneel and says,
1811
01:19:30,571 --> 01:19:32,206
Look, will you get me on your team?
1812
01:19:32,206 --> 01:19:33,995
I need a place.
1813
01:19:33,995 --> 01:19:37,946
And Lance and Bruyneel,
both kindred spirits
1814
01:19:37,946 --> 01:19:41,504
in terms of having no
emotional intelligence,
1815
01:19:41,504 --> 01:19:43,914
decide they don't want to have
anything to do with Floyd.
1816
01:19:43,914 --> 01:19:46,502
He's just a loser, he got caught.
1817
01:19:46,502 --> 01:19:49,286
They don't realize that they're
1818
01:19:49,286 --> 01:19:53,121
they're actually handling
a ticking bomb here.
1819
01:19:53,121 --> 01:19:57,278
Floyd has offered them the
chance to diffuse the bomb.
1820
01:19:57,278 --> 01:19:59,869
To just take out that
little pin or whatever,
1821
01:19:59,869 --> 01:20:04,497
give him a little, small job
in the team, everything is OK.
1822
01:20:04,497 --> 01:20:06,438
They tell him to get lost
1823
01:20:06,438 --> 01:20:10,294
and the bomb blows up in their faces.
1824
01:20:10,294 --> 01:20:11,628
- And when he saw Armstrong,
1825
01:20:11,628 --> 01:20:13,720
who he knew from the first day
1826
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,659
he'd entered the sport was doped,
1827
01:20:15,659 --> 01:20:17,834
who had shown Floyd how to dope
1828
01:20:17,834 --> 01:20:20,451
and all he sees is this
fucking shit everywhere,
1829
01:20:20,451 --> 01:20:22,068
hope rides again.
1830
01:20:22,068 --> 01:20:23,193
The Great God.
1831
01:20:23,193 --> 01:20:25,911
The Jesus of cycling is coming back.
1832
01:20:25,911 --> 01:20:29,512
And all the spectators are
getting down on bended knee
1833
01:20:29,512 --> 01:20:31,249
and he's thinking,
1834
01:20:31,249 --> 01:20:32,537
This is not right.
1835
01:20:32,537 --> 01:20:34,031
This sticks in my throat.
1836
01:20:34,031 --> 01:20:37,031
I fucking am going to sort this out.
1837
01:20:38,211 --> 01:20:39,071
- [Floyd] At least now I've confirmed
1838
01:20:39,071 --> 01:20:41,033
that there's nothing else to lose.
1839
01:20:41,033 --> 01:20:41,866
Nothing.
1840
01:20:41,866 --> 01:20:43,728
There's nothing in it for me in cycling.
1841
01:20:43,728 --> 01:20:44,705
There's no team for me.
1842
01:20:44,705 --> 01:20:45,538
There's.
1843
01:20:45,538 --> 01:20:46,371
No matter what I do, it's going
1844
01:20:46,371 --> 01:20:48,435
to be worse and worse until I leave.
1845
01:20:48,435 --> 01:20:50,852
Eventually, the levee breaks.
1846
01:20:54,546 --> 01:20:58,033
- Tonight, Landis and
others once close to Lance
1847
01:20:58,033 --> 01:21:01,667
go on camera for the first
time for our special report
1848
01:21:01,667 --> 01:21:02,908
Did Lance Cheat?
1849
01:21:02,908 --> 01:21:04,093
- At some point people have to tell
1850
01:21:04,093 --> 01:21:08,115
their kids that Santa Claus isn't real.
1851
01:21:08,115 --> 01:21:12,682
I hate to be the guy to do
it, but it's just not real.
1852
01:21:12,682 --> 01:21:15,808
- You're saying Lance Armstrong is a liar?
1853
01:21:15,808 --> 01:21:19,558
- Yes, I suppose if
that's the question, yes.
1854
01:21:20,636 --> 01:21:22,900
- We have somebody that's
been under oath several times
1855
01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:24,726
with a completely different version.
1856
01:21:24,726 --> 01:21:26,097
You have somebody that has written a book
1857
01:21:26,097 --> 01:21:27,615
with a completely different version.
1858
01:21:27,615 --> 01:21:29,097
You have somebody that took
1859
01:21:29,097 --> 01:21:30,638
people's money for their defense,
1860
01:21:30,638 --> 01:21:31,943
some would say a million dollars,
1861
01:21:31,943 --> 01:21:33,362
with a completely different version.
1862
01:21:33,362 --> 01:21:36,007
He said he has nothing, he's got no proof.
1863
01:21:36,007 --> 01:21:38,040
It's his word versus ours.
1864
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,617
We like our word, we like where we stand,
1865
01:21:39,617 --> 01:21:41,012
we like our credibility.
1866
01:21:41,012 --> 01:21:42,390
- As Lance Armstrong prepares
1867
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:44,478
for his final weekend
at the Tour de France,
1868
01:21:44,478 --> 01:21:47,857
a federal investigation
into alleged doping by him
1869
01:21:47,857 --> 01:21:52,093
and his former team threatens
to tarnish his golden image.
1870
01:21:52,093 --> 01:21:53,140
The investigation was sparked
1871
01:21:53,140 --> 01:21:55,052
by allegations by former friend
1872
01:21:55,052 --> 01:21:57,219
and teammate Floyd Landis.
1873
01:21:58,148 --> 01:22:02,980
- At the end of July, I got a
phone call from Jeff Novitzky
1874
01:22:02,980 --> 01:22:05,205
and one of the first
questions I asked him was,
1875
01:22:05,205 --> 01:22:07,509
What's taken you so long to call me?
1876
01:22:07,509 --> 01:22:09,299
- It was scary, because that whole,
1877
01:22:09,299 --> 01:22:10,588
This is Jeff Novitzky, federal agent.
1878
01:22:10,588 --> 01:22:14,233
It put the holy terror of God in you.
1879
01:22:14,233 --> 01:22:18,067
- Novitzky was able to bring
these guys into a room.
1880
01:22:18,067 --> 01:22:20,414
He would open up his coat and,
1881
01:22:20,414 --> 01:22:22,626
Oh, sorry I didn't mean you to see my gun.
1882
01:22:22,626 --> 01:22:23,811
That's what they do.
1883
01:22:23,811 --> 01:22:26,091
And then he takes his sheriff's badge out,
1884
01:22:26,091 --> 01:22:29,542
drops it on the table, in case
you forget that he's a cop,
1885
01:22:29,542 --> 01:22:30,882
and then he says to you,
1886
01:22:30,882 --> 01:22:33,235
You know, if you lie to us,
1887
01:22:33,235 --> 01:22:34,652
it'll be perjury.
1888
01:22:35,767 --> 01:22:37,999
And we will know you're lying to us,
1889
01:22:37,999 --> 01:22:40,611
because of all we know about this case.
1890
01:22:40,611 --> 01:22:42,348
And then we will go after you
1891
01:22:42,348 --> 01:22:45,348
and you'll end up doing prison time.
1892
01:22:47,934 --> 01:22:50,126
- A subpoena means you come in.
1893
01:22:50,126 --> 01:22:51,402
There's no question.
1894
01:22:51,402 --> 01:22:54,913
You go in and you tell the truth
in front of the Grand Jury.
1895
01:22:54,913 --> 01:22:56,594
No lawyer by your side.
1896
01:22:56,594 --> 01:22:58,520
- I probably told them
more stuff, more detail,
1897
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,428
than what I had revealed
to anybody else before.
1898
01:23:01,428 --> 01:23:02,378
- You know, the information kind of
1899
01:23:02,378 --> 01:23:04,716
started trickling out of me
1900
01:23:04,716 --> 01:23:08,305
and then, after 15 minutes or
so, it just poured out of me.
1901
01:23:08,305 --> 01:23:09,210
I don't think they were expecting
1902
01:23:09,210 --> 01:23:12,210
any kind of testimony like they got.
1903
01:23:15,075 --> 01:23:17,213
Lance Armstrong didn't appreciate that.
1904
01:23:17,213 --> 01:23:20,479
A few months later, I was out
at dinner with some friends
1905
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,782
and he must have had eyes on me,
1906
01:23:22,782 --> 01:23:26,070
because he had people contact him
1907
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:28,102
and let him know where I was,
1908
01:23:28,102 --> 01:23:30,534
and he, you know, approached me,
1909
01:23:30,534 --> 01:23:32,784
and tried to intimidate me.
1910
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,796
He said he was going to
make my life a living hell
1911
01:23:35,796 --> 01:23:39,713
both in the courtroom
and out of the courtroom.
1912
01:23:42,064 --> 01:23:45,230
- [Betsy] Lance was really
pissed that Greg questioned why
1913
01:23:45,230 --> 01:23:46,642
he was working with Ferrari.
1914
01:23:46,642 --> 01:23:48,893
- [Tyler] He helped call the shots.
1915
01:23:48,893 --> 01:23:51,044
Yes, he doped himself.
1916
01:23:51,044 --> 01:23:52,724
- [Announcer] If he didn't win the Tour,
1917
01:23:52,724 --> 01:23:54,835
someone else that was doped
would have won the Tour.
1918
01:23:54,835 --> 01:23:57,568
- I really felt happy at that
moment, because I thought,
1919
01:23:57,568 --> 01:23:58,577
that's it.
1920
01:23:58,577 --> 01:24:00,077
There is no way back now
1921
01:24:00,077 --> 01:24:02,458
because Floyd had given chapter and verse
1922
01:24:02,458 --> 01:24:06,597
and I thought the tide
was now irreversible.
1923
01:24:06,597 --> 01:24:07,430
- [Floyd] Lance Armstrong handed me
1924
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:09,517
some testosterone patches.
1925
01:24:09,517 --> 01:24:11,161
It's just a little patch
that you put on your skin.
1926
01:24:11,161 --> 01:24:12,994
- They can't say that.
1927
01:24:14,892 --> 01:24:16,741
Nobody is that conniving.
1928
01:24:16,741 --> 01:24:18,621
Nobody is that good,
1929
01:24:18,621 --> 01:24:19,698
to try and get away with something
1930
01:24:19,698 --> 01:24:22,115
for 17, 18, 19 years, no way.
1931
01:24:24,074 --> 01:24:25,698
No.
1932
01:24:25,698 --> 01:24:29,165
- If you think he was facing jail,
1933
01:24:29,165 --> 01:24:32,162
he had to have been scared to death.
1934
01:24:32,162 --> 01:24:34,972
He called every single famous,
1935
01:24:34,972 --> 01:24:38,472
political favor he could possibly pull in.
1936
01:24:41,206 --> 01:24:42,968
- I had just woken up,
I'd switched on my phone.
1937
01:24:42,968 --> 01:24:47,135
My brother had direct messaged
me on Twitter and saying,
1938
01:24:49,111 --> 01:24:52,194
WTF, the Feds' case has been dropped.
1939
01:24:54,165 --> 01:24:56,582
(rock music)
1940
01:24:58,215 --> 01:25:00,048
- When you want to give news
1941
01:25:00,048 --> 01:25:02,136
that you don't want anybody to notice,
1942
01:25:02,136 --> 01:25:04,665
you put it out at a time
when everybody is distracted
1943
01:25:04,665 --> 01:25:05,869
by somebody else.
1944
01:25:05,869 --> 01:25:08,938
This news was dropped
late on a Friday afternoon
1945
01:25:08,938 --> 01:25:13,105
on Super Bowl weekend, when
America goes into party mode.
1946
01:25:15,223 --> 01:25:18,493
And Lance Armstrong, for one weekend,
1947
01:25:18,493 --> 01:25:20,326
ceases to be relevant.
1948
01:25:21,454 --> 01:25:24,186
And if ever the timing
of something suggested
1949
01:25:24,186 --> 01:25:28,353
political corruption or
impropriety, it just stank.
1950
01:25:31,323 --> 01:25:33,818
- Obama was running for re election,
1951
01:25:33,818 --> 01:25:35,672
and it wouldn't have looked good to go
1952
01:25:35,672 --> 01:25:39,839
after the American hero who
still had a lot of supporters.
1953
01:25:42,134 --> 01:25:44,122
- More Americans entered the workforce.
1954
01:25:44,122 --> 01:25:46,723
- It goes to show you the
power that Armstrong has.
1955
01:25:46,723 --> 01:25:49,554
He got a federal investigation shut down,
1956
01:25:49,554 --> 01:25:51,862
despite having all that
information out there
1957
01:25:51,862 --> 01:25:54,529
and all that evidence out there.
1958
01:25:56,585 --> 01:26:00,169
- I was not proud to be
an American at the time.
1959
01:26:00,169 --> 01:26:03,694
I was so disappointed in
the whole system, you know.
1960
01:26:03,694 --> 01:26:07,133
That, you know, this corruption
can happen and, you know,
1961
01:26:07,133 --> 01:26:09,050
favours can be granted.
1962
01:26:17,745 --> 01:26:19,902
- Travis Tygart picks up the baton.
1963
01:26:19,902 --> 01:26:22,067
He says, I'm going to
ask all these cyclists
1964
01:26:22,067 --> 01:26:24,129
to come and be interviewed by me.
1965
01:26:24,129 --> 01:26:26,923
- This was not just Lance Armstrong
1966
01:26:26,923 --> 01:26:29,078
getting away with doping for a few years.
1967
01:26:29,078 --> 01:26:31,603
This was something by
far bigger and greater
1968
01:26:31,603 --> 01:26:33,656
than just that,
1969
01:26:33,656 --> 01:26:35,964
they took it to an
entirely different level
1970
01:26:35,964 --> 01:26:40,458
and no other team, right,
won seven Tour de Frances.
1971
01:26:40,458 --> 01:26:41,991
And all the glory and all the profits
1972
01:26:41,991 --> 01:26:45,842
and all the sponsorships
that went along with that.
1973
01:26:45,842 --> 01:26:47,153
He was the boss.
1974
01:26:47,153 --> 01:26:48,846
The evidence is clear.
1975
01:26:48,846 --> 01:26:53,271
He was one of the ring
leaders of this conspiracy
1976
01:26:53,271 --> 01:26:55,194
that pulled off this grand heist,
1977
01:26:55,194 --> 01:26:58,309
using tens of millions
of taxpayer dollars,
1978
01:26:58,309 --> 01:26:59,893
that defrauded millions
1979
01:26:59,893 --> 01:27:03,393
of sports fans and his fellow competitors.
1980
01:27:04,670 --> 01:27:06,231
- Lance immediately went on the attack,
1981
01:27:06,231 --> 01:27:07,442
immediately sued them in his
1982
01:27:07,442 --> 01:27:08,932
home court and immediately started saying,
1983
01:27:08,932 --> 01:27:12,357
You saw it as a terrible, bad,
kangaroo court organization.
1984
01:27:12,357 --> 01:27:14,333
I thought, Here we go again.
1985
01:27:14,333 --> 01:27:15,655
He's going to bloody them up.
1986
01:27:15,655 --> 01:27:16,904
He's going to walk away from this.
1987
01:27:16,904 --> 01:27:19,015
- Good morning, everybody,
1988
01:27:19,015 --> 01:27:20,190
welcome to the Team RadioShack bus.
1989
01:27:20,190 --> 01:27:21,792
- Almost at every turn,
1990
01:27:21,792 --> 01:27:23,439
the lobbyists for Armstrong
1991
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:24,593
and his criminal defense attorneys
1992
01:27:24,593 --> 01:27:28,542
and others wanted to
bankrupt us and take us down.
1993
01:27:28,542 --> 01:27:29,383
- [Lance] The boss.
1994
01:27:29,383 --> 01:27:30,216
- How are you?
1995
01:27:30,216 --> 01:27:31,457
Good morning.
1996
01:27:31,457 --> 01:27:33,425
- Whether it was claiming
to the world media
1997
01:27:33,425 --> 01:27:35,302
we had not authority or
1998
01:27:35,302 --> 01:27:38,268
we were on witch hunts or the jurisdiction
1999
01:27:38,268 --> 01:27:40,531
didn't rest with us,
2000
01:27:40,531 --> 01:27:42,334
there were numerous efforts by them
2001
01:27:42,334 --> 01:27:45,116
to ensure this information never got out.
2002
01:27:45,116 --> 01:27:46,153
- Your investigations showed
2003
01:27:46,153 --> 01:27:47,879
that there were personal threats
2004
01:27:47,879 --> 01:27:52,305
made against riders who
had decided to come clean.
2005
01:27:52,305 --> 01:27:54,808
I wonder if there were
any threats against you?
2006
01:27:54,808 --> 01:27:55,981
- There were, Scott.
2007
01:27:55,981 --> 01:27:57,999
- These threats came from where?
2008
01:27:57,999 --> 01:28:00,275
- E-mails, letters.
2009
01:28:00,275 --> 01:28:01,202
- [Scott] Anonymous?
2010
01:28:01,202 --> 01:28:02,420
- Yeah.
2011
01:28:02,420 --> 01:28:04,806
- Can you remember any of the lines
2012
01:28:04,806 --> 01:28:07,473
from the e-mails or the letters?
2013
01:28:10,135 --> 01:28:14,453
- The worst was probably
putting a bullet in my head.
2014
01:28:14,453 --> 01:28:15,650
- Did you take that seriously?
2015
01:28:15,650 --> 01:28:16,733
- Absolutely.
2016
01:28:19,083 --> 01:28:21,455
Turned it over to the
FBI to investigate it.
2017
01:28:21,455 --> 01:28:23,668
Which they're doing.
2018
01:28:23,668 --> 01:28:26,635
(cheering)
2019
01:28:26,635 --> 01:28:27,733
- [Announcer] A new report from the
2020
01:28:27,733 --> 01:28:30,236
US Anti-Doping Agency reveals.
2021
01:28:30,236 --> 01:28:32,039
- Just months after federal prosecutors
2022
01:28:32,039 --> 01:28:35,719
dropped their investigation,
the US Anti-Doping Agency says
2023
01:28:35,719 --> 01:28:38,344
they now have proof that
the seven-time winner
2024
01:28:38,344 --> 01:28:39,479
of the Tour de France.
2025
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:40,616
- From our end, it was never personal.
2026
01:28:40,616 --> 01:28:42,927
In fact, you know, we gave
him the same opportunity
2027
01:28:42,927 --> 01:28:44,553
to come in and be part of the solution.
2028
01:28:44,553 --> 01:28:46,766
- [Announcer] 1,000 pages of evidence
2029
01:28:46,766 --> 01:28:50,038
provided by the agency
include first-hand accounts,
2030
01:28:50,038 --> 01:28:51,788
scientific documents.
2031
01:28:55,874 --> 01:28:58,185
- Lance believed that he was bulletproof,
2032
01:28:58,185 --> 01:28:59,921
that he was invincible,
2033
01:28:59,921 --> 01:29:02,251
that they could bring down the Floyds,
2034
01:29:02,251 --> 01:29:05,066
the Tylers, they could bring down anybody.
2035
01:29:05,066 --> 01:29:06,645
But you can't bring down me,
2036
01:29:06,645 --> 01:29:10,401
because I am too big to be brought down.
2037
01:29:10,401 --> 01:29:11,658
- I thought in light of recent events,
2038
01:29:11,658 --> 01:29:13,976
I ought to reintroduce myself.
2039
01:29:13,976 --> 01:29:15,774
My name is Lance Armstrong.
2040
01:29:15,774 --> 01:29:17,187
I'm a cancer survivor.
2041
01:29:17,187 --> 01:29:18,128
I've been asked to come up here
2042
01:29:18,128 --> 01:29:20,695
and talk about my story of survivorship.
2043
01:29:20,695 --> 01:29:22,728
I'm a father of five and,
2044
01:29:22,728 --> 01:29:26,936
yes, I won the Tour de France seven times.
2045
01:29:26,936 --> 01:29:29,186
(applause)
2046
01:29:30,452 --> 01:29:32,968
- UCI will ban Lance
Armstrong from cycling
2047
01:29:32,968 --> 01:29:37,135
and UCI will strip him of his
seven Tour de France titles.
2048
01:29:38,712 --> 01:29:42,045
Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling.
2049
01:29:44,674 --> 01:29:46,555
I don't have anything to worry about.
2050
01:29:46,555 --> 01:29:48,592
- Nobody needs to cry for me.
2051
01:29:48,592 --> 01:29:50,347
I'm going to be great.
2052
01:29:50,347 --> 01:29:51,480
- [Reporter] Are you
doing something to take
2053
01:29:51,480 --> 01:29:53,196
your mind off the news this week?
2054
01:29:53,196 --> 01:29:57,273
- I'm more at ease now than
I have been in 10 years.
2055
01:29:57,273 --> 01:30:01,573
- What surprised me was
how quickly it fell apart.
2056
01:30:01,573 --> 01:30:03,542
- [Reporter] This was a day
we could not have imagined.
2057
01:30:03,542 --> 01:30:05,583
- Nike has fired Lance Armstrong
2058
01:30:05,583 --> 01:30:08,937
over allegations he was
doping during races.
2059
01:30:08,937 --> 01:30:13,100
- And it first hit me when Nike
announced they were fleeing.
2060
01:30:13,100 --> 01:30:14,338
- [Announcer] Over the last ten years,
2061
01:30:14,338 --> 01:30:17,627
he's made more than an
estimated 100 million dollars.
2062
01:30:17,627 --> 01:30:19,270
- [Lance] What am I on?
2063
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:22,743
I'm on my bike, busting
my ass six hours a day.
2064
01:30:22,743 --> 01:30:23,576
What are you on?
2065
01:30:23,576 --> 01:30:26,948
- And then, almost in rapid
succession, everyone left him.
2066
01:30:26,948 --> 01:30:29,357
- [Announcer] Anheuser-Busch,
FRS sports drinks,
2067
01:30:29,357 --> 01:30:31,561
Trek bicycles and Giro helmets
2068
01:30:31,561 --> 01:30:34,020
all dropped today like dominoes.
2069
01:30:34,020 --> 01:30:38,916
- And suddenly, in a matter
of days, it collapsed.
2070
01:30:38,916 --> 01:30:42,146
- Oh, my golly, the category tonight.
2071
01:30:42,146 --> 01:30:43,218
Paul, take a guess what you
2072
01:30:43,218 --> 01:30:44,929
think the category might be tonight.
2073
01:30:44,929 --> 01:30:45,762
- Well, could it?
2074
01:30:45,762 --> 01:30:46,825
Something about Lance Armstrong?
2075
01:30:46,825 --> 01:30:48,509
- Nice going.
2076
01:30:48,509 --> 01:30:49,951
Nice going!
2077
01:30:49,951 --> 01:30:52,172
Honest to God, who cares about cy?
2078
01:30:52,172 --> 01:30:53,005
No-one.
2079
01:31:02,962 --> 01:31:04,351
- [Frankie] We were pulling
into the driveway and,
2080
01:31:04,351 --> 01:31:07,738
right when we pulled into the
driveway, Betsy's phone rings
2081
01:31:07,738 --> 01:31:10,997
and Betsy turned to me
and she goes, It's Lance.
2082
01:31:10,997 --> 01:31:12,496
- And our daughter in the back said,
2083
01:31:12,496 --> 01:31:13,723
Is it really him?
2084
01:31:13,723 --> 01:31:15,612
Is it really him?
2085
01:31:15,612 --> 01:31:17,149
- He apologized.
2086
01:31:17,149 --> 01:31:18,880
Apologized for everything he'd done.
2087
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:19,972
And I said, You know, it must be.
2088
01:31:19,972 --> 01:31:21,853
It's got to be a tough phone call
2089
01:31:21,853 --> 01:31:23,318
for you to make.
2090
01:31:23,318 --> 01:31:26,239
I said, You know, I
appreciate it, and I said,
2091
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:27,237
I'm sure you're going through hell
2092
01:31:27,237 --> 01:31:29,906
for the last month and a half.
2093
01:31:29,906 --> 01:31:30,939
I said, But no.
2094
01:31:30,939 --> 01:31:31,908
That I'd been going through hell
2095
01:31:31,908 --> 01:31:34,133
for ten years with this shit.
2096
01:31:34,133 --> 01:31:38,300
- The Lance in that phone call
was a Lance I've never, ever.
2097
01:31:43,825 --> 01:31:45,922
It was a Lance I didn't know.
2098
01:31:45,922 --> 01:31:49,005
He really, genuinely seemed contrite.
2099
01:31:53,934 --> 01:31:55,434
And he apologized.
2100
01:31:57,305 --> 01:31:59,744
He said he had done a lot
2101
01:31:59,744 --> 01:32:03,561
of bad things to a lot of good people.
2102
01:32:03,561 --> 01:32:04,552
I said, Lance, you better
2103
01:32:04,552 --> 01:32:07,802
admit that that hospital room happened.
2104
01:32:09,205 --> 01:32:12,729
- [Announcer] Now the worldwide exclusive
2105
01:32:12,729 --> 01:32:14,896
Oprah and Lance Armstrong.
2106
01:32:17,088 --> 01:32:18,261
- So let's start with the questions
2107
01:32:18,261 --> 01:32:19,640
that people around the world
2108
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,213
have been waiting for you to answer
2109
01:32:21,213 --> 01:32:24,287
and for now I'd just like a yes or no.
2110
01:32:24,287 --> 01:32:26,489
Did you ever take banned substances
2111
01:32:26,489 --> 01:32:28,286
to enhance your cycling performance?
2112
01:32:28,286 --> 01:32:29,119
- Yes.
2113
01:32:30,925 --> 01:32:34,836
- [Oprah] Yes or no, was one
of those banned substances EPO?
2114
01:32:34,836 --> 01:32:35,694
- Yes.
2115
01:32:35,694 --> 01:32:37,557
- I was physically sick.
2116
01:32:37,557 --> 01:32:39,223
- Did you ever blood dope
2117
01:32:39,223 --> 01:32:40,914
or use blood transfusions
2118
01:32:40,914 --> 01:32:42,675
to enhance your cycling performance?
2119
01:32:42,675 --> 01:32:43,508
- Yes.
2120
01:32:43,508 --> 01:32:45,025
- It was sort of like
an old Mike Tyson fight,
2121
01:32:45,025 --> 01:32:46,716
that by the time you sat
down in your ringside seat,
2122
01:32:46,716 --> 01:32:49,488
he'd already knocked the
guy out and it was over.
2123
01:32:49,488 --> 01:32:50,486
- Did you ever use any
2124
01:32:50,486 --> 01:32:53,937
other banned substances like testosterone,
2125
01:32:53,937 --> 01:32:56,667
cortisone or human growth hormone?
2126
01:32:56,667 --> 01:32:57,726
- Yes.
2127
01:32:57,726 --> 01:32:59,783
- I was, like, holy shit.
2128
01:32:59,783 --> 01:33:00,616
Wow.
2129
01:33:01,592 --> 01:33:02,425
Wow!
2130
01:33:05,028 --> 01:33:09,459
Yeah, am I jealous and
bitter and vindictive now?
2131
01:33:09,459 --> 01:33:13,462
- In all seven of your
Tour de France victories,
2132
01:33:13,462 --> 01:33:17,000
did you ever take banned
substances or blood dope?
2133
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:17,864
- Yes.
2134
01:33:17,864 --> 01:33:21,346
- Those five yeses in one fell swoop,
2135
01:33:21,346 --> 01:33:24,679
just wiped out a generation of cyclists.
2136
01:33:26,010 --> 01:33:29,240
Watching the show, for me, was like.
2137
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:30,653
I never thought those words
2138
01:33:30,653 --> 01:33:32,355
would come out of Lance Armstrong's mouth.
2139
01:33:32,355 --> 01:33:34,022
It was unbelievable.
2140
01:33:35,043 --> 01:33:39,911
- Was Betsy telling the truth
about the Indiana hospital
2141
01:33:39,911 --> 01:33:41,911
overhearing you in 1996?
2142
01:33:43,478 --> 01:33:45,460
- I'm not going to take that on.
2143
01:33:45,460 --> 01:33:47,074
I'm laying down on that one.
2144
01:33:47,074 --> 01:33:48,574
- Was Betsy lying?
2145
01:33:53,436 --> 01:33:56,390
- And he dropped the ball.
2146
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:58,623
He dropped the ball.
2147
01:33:58,623 --> 01:34:01,423
- She asked me and I asked
her not to talk about.
2148
01:34:01,423 --> 01:34:02,256
- What you said?
2149
01:34:02,256 --> 01:34:03,089
- The details of the call.
2150
01:34:03,089 --> 01:34:05,604
It was a confidential,
personal conversation.
2151
01:34:05,604 --> 01:34:07,521
It was 40 minutes long.
2152
01:34:08,481 --> 01:34:10,648
- So again, it was classic Lance.
2153
01:34:10,648 --> 01:34:13,081
His way out, throughout
that whole interview,
2154
01:34:13,081 --> 01:34:14,414
he just used me.
2155
01:34:15,429 --> 01:34:16,619
- He called to apologize so that
2156
01:34:16,619 --> 01:34:17,973
when he went on Oprah he could say,
2157
01:34:17,973 --> 01:34:19,619
Oh, yeah, I've reached out
to people to apologize.
2158
01:34:19,619 --> 01:34:20,696
I'm a changed man.
2159
01:34:20,696 --> 01:34:22,287
I'm trying to be better.
2160
01:34:22,287 --> 01:34:23,421
It played into his hand.
2161
01:34:23,421 --> 01:34:26,066
It played into his game.
2162
01:34:26,066 --> 01:34:27,239
- My stepfather called me and said,
2163
01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:29,420
Your mom's having a really hard time.
2164
01:34:29,420 --> 01:34:30,837
And I saw my mom.
2165
01:34:33,724 --> 01:34:35,224
And I thought, Oh.
2166
01:34:37,763 --> 01:34:39,513
This woman's a wreck.
2167
01:34:42,686 --> 01:34:44,162
- [Oprah] What has been
the financial cost?
2168
01:34:44,162 --> 01:34:46,245
Have you lost everything?
2169
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,706
- I don't like thinking about it.
2170
01:34:50,706 --> 01:34:51,956
But that was a.
2171
01:34:53,323 --> 01:34:57,240
I don't know, that was
a 75 million dollar day.
2172
01:35:00,875 --> 01:35:01,708
Gone.
2173
01:35:01,708 --> 01:35:02,743
- [Oprah] Gone.
2174
01:35:02,743 --> 01:35:03,576
- Gone.
2175
01:35:05,219 --> 01:35:08,294
- [Interviewer] Do you think
he will ever come clean?
2176
01:35:08,294 --> 01:35:10,115
- No, I don't think fully.
2177
01:35:10,115 --> 01:35:13,865
Partly because it would
burn too many people.
2178
01:35:14,803 --> 01:35:17,065
- [Greg] He's protected
Bruyneel, he's protected Ferrari,
2179
01:35:17,065 --> 01:35:20,087
he's protected Tom Weisel,
he's protected Bill Stapleton
2180
01:35:20,087 --> 01:35:21,816
and he's protected, I believe,
2181
01:35:21,816 --> 01:35:25,361
the medical people at that hospital.
2182
01:35:25,361 --> 01:35:26,511
- [Narrator] It's really not about him,
2183
01:35:26,511 --> 01:35:28,235
but about the people behind him.
2184
01:35:28,235 --> 01:35:29,322
They put this team together
2185
01:35:29,322 --> 01:35:30,706
that had knowledge of the doping,
2186
01:35:30,706 --> 01:35:32,747
that went out and then sold sponsorships
2187
01:35:32,747 --> 01:35:34,868
to the tune of about 30 plus million
2188
01:35:34,868 --> 01:35:37,569
federal dollars from citizens
2189
01:35:37,569 --> 01:35:39,109
of the United States of America.
2190
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:40,692
It's alleged fraud.
2191
01:35:44,403 --> 01:35:46,862
- I don't know Lance Armstrong now.
2192
01:35:46,862 --> 01:35:49,680
The man I knew in 1993,
I had a blast with.
2193
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:51,277
A great friend and it's hard for me
2194
01:35:51,277 --> 01:35:53,660
to talk about because of how
much hell he put me through
2195
01:35:53,660 --> 01:35:55,327
and my wife through.
2196
01:35:57,527 --> 01:36:00,737
- He's like the guy who robs a bank
2197
01:36:00,737 --> 01:36:03,346
and then says, Oops, forgot to frisk
2198
01:36:03,346 --> 01:36:04,882
the tellers for any money
2199
01:36:04,882 --> 01:36:07,161
they might have in their pockets.
2200
01:36:07,161 --> 01:36:09,828
So he essentially wanted it all.
2201
01:36:15,756 --> 01:36:19,923
Most of the cheats pretty
much stop at the water's edge.
2202
01:36:21,946 --> 01:36:23,029
Lance didn't.
2203
01:36:24,105 --> 01:36:25,022
- I had it.
2204
01:36:25,908 --> 01:36:27,241
And then I just.
2205
01:36:28,961 --> 01:36:30,272
Things got too big.
2206
01:36:30,272 --> 01:36:32,022
Things got too crazy.
2207
01:36:39,662 --> 01:36:43,616
- [Betsy] What Lance
never had was the truth.
2208
01:36:43,616 --> 01:36:47,616
Which is more powerful
than the corrupt athlete.
2209
01:36:56,284 --> 01:36:58,701
- [Oprah] It's an epic story.
2210
01:37:03,858 --> 01:37:06,025
- [Betsy] Time flies, huh?
2211
01:37:08,334 --> 01:37:10,251
Who would have thought?
2212
01:37:14,821 --> 01:37:17,154
(sad music)
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