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Situation where a man was throwing molotov cocktails and

Throwing molotov cocktails and using other devices to hurt

Using other devices to hurt people.

People. >> it is clear that this is a

>> it is clear that this is a targeted act of violence in the

Targeted act of violence in the fbi is investigating this as an

Fbi is investigating this as an act of terrorism. Sadly, attacks

Act of terrorism. Sadly, attacks like this are becoming too

Like this are becoming too common across the country. This

Common across the country. This is an example of how

Is an example of how perpetrators of violence

Perpetrators of violence continue to threaten communities

Continue to threaten communities across our nation.

Across our nation. >> cnn's julia vargas jones has

>> cnn's julia vargas jones has more now on the attack and the

More now on the attack and the investigation.

Investigation. >> multiple individuals were

>> multiple individuals were injured, some severely, after a

Injured, some severely, after a man reportedly set people on

Man reportedly set people on fire in downtown boulder,

Fire in downtown boulder, colorado. The fbi said it is

Colorado. The fbi said it is investigating it as a targeted

Investigating it as a targeted terror attack. The attack

Terror attack. The attack happened during a pro-israel

Happened during a pro-israel demonstration, an event called

Demonstration, an event called boulder run for their lives,

Boulder run for their lives, organized to support hostages

Organized to support hostages taken during the October 7th,

Taken during the October 7th, 2023 attacks in israel. Boulder

2023 attacks in israel. Boulder police chief steven redfern said

Police chief steven redfern said emergency dispatchers began

Emergency dispatchers began receiving calls at around 1:26

Receiving calls at around 1:26 p.M. Local time, reporting a man

P.M. Local time, reporting a man armed with a weapon attacking

Armed with a weapon attacking attendees near the courthouse.

Attendees near the courthouse. Upon their arrival, officers

Upon their arrival, officers found victims suffering from

Found victims suffering from burns after the suspect

Burns after the suspect allegedly threw bottles

Allegedly threw bottles containing a flammable liquid

Containing a flammable liquid that ignited upon impact,

That ignited upon impact, according to multiple law

According to multiple law enforcement officials. According

Enforcement officials. According to the boulder police chief,

To the boulder police chief, bystanders quickly pointed out

Bystanders quickly pointed out to police the suspect, who is

To police the suspect, who is currently in custody and also

Currently in custody and also receiving medical attention for

Receiving medical attention for minor injuries. Now we're

Minor injuries. Now we're starting to hear from those

Starting to hear from those bystanders and people who were

Bystanders and people who were present at this demonstration,

Present at this demonstration, one young woman describing a

One young woman describing a harrowing scene.

Harrowing scene. >> I hope that jews will not be

>> I hope that jews will not be scared to come out and protest

Scared to come out and protest for our hostages. Now, I think

For our hostages. Now, I think that now more than ever, we need

That now more than ever, we need to be strong in our judaism, in

To be strong in our judaism, in our faith, and know that hashem

Our faith, and know that hashem has israel in his heart, and

Has israel in his heart, and that it is essential for us as

That it is essential for us as not only jews, but as humans, to

Not only jews, but as humans, to to help the vulnerable.

To help the vulnerable. >> the director for stand with

>> the director for stand with us colorado, an organization

Us colorado, an organization fighting antisemitism and

Fighting antisemitism and supporting israel behind this

Supporting israel behind this demonstration, posted on

Demonstration, posted on facebook on Sunday saying,

Facebook on Sunday saying, quote, to all my friends, near

Quote, to all my friends, near and far, thank you so much for

And far, thank you so much for your calls and texts today to

Your calls and texts today to check in. I am okay, but there

Check in. I am okay, but there are five people from the boulder

Are five people from the boulder run for their lives group today

Run for their lives group today who are not. She also said that

Who are not. She also said that all run for their lives walks

All run for their lives walks are canceled until further

Are canceled until further notice. Colorado governor jared

Notice. Colorado governor jared polis also posting on x, saying

Polis also posting on x, saying that he is closely monitoring

That he is closely monitoring the situation, condemning it as

The situation, condemning it as a hate filled act, and he said

A hate filled act, and he said that local and federal law

That local and federal law enforcement agencies are working

Enforcement agencies are working collaboratively on this ongoing

Collaboratively on this ongoing investigation. Julia vargas

Investigation. Julia vargas jones, cnn los angeles.

Jones, cnn los angeles. >> joining me on the phone is

>> joining me on the phone is colorado's governor, jared

Colorado's governor, jared polis. And first, my condolences

Polis. And first, my condolences to you and those in your state.

To you and those in your state. Governor, our thoughts are

Governor, our thoughts are certainly with those impacted by

Certainly with those impacted by this. Can you give us an update

This. Can you give us an update on what you know right now about

On what you know right now about how the victims are physically

How the victims are physically doing?

Doing? >> well thank you. And as you as

>> well thank you. And as you as have been reported, the victims

Have been reported, the victims are elderly individuals. We know

Are elderly individuals. We know that at least, at least two of

That at least, at least two of them have had injuries that have

Them have had injuries that have been somewhat severe. I hope

Been somewhat severe. I hope that everybody makes it. But of

That everybody makes it. But of course at this point, we don't

Course at this point, we don't have that information yet. But,

Have that information yet. But, you know, this is really

You know, this is really inflicted a lot of fear in the

Inflicted a lot of fear in the jewish community at large. The

Jewish community at large. The pro-israel community. This was a

Pro-israel community. This was a very public place in boulder.

Very public place in boulder. Every I've walked by. By the

Every I've walked by. By the way, these folks who most weeks

Way, these folks who most weeks are there, you know, reminding

Are there, you know, reminding us that the hostages are still

Us that the hostages are still being held by hamas. And to

Being held by hamas. And to think that they would be

Think that they would be attacked viciously and targeted

Attacked viciously and targeted simply because of their

Simply because of their political beliefs in this

Political beliefs in this country and the day and age is

Country and the day and age is just completely you know, hard

Just completely you know, hard to believe, frankly.

To believe, frankly. >> governor, I know you are not

>> governor, I know you are not the chief law enforcement

The chief law enforcement officer of your state, but we do

Officer of your state, but we do have the suspect that's in

Have the suspect that's in custody has now been identified.

Custody has now been identified. What at this moment do we know

What at this moment do we know about that individual? And even

About that individual? And even though it may be obvious, is

Though it may be obvious, is there any potential evidence

There any potential evidence that speak to any motivations?

That speak to any motivations? Have they said anything to law

Have they said anything to law enforcement since being in

Enforcement since being in custody?

Custody? >> well, you look, there will be

>> well, you look, there will be plenty of time for

Plenty of time for investigation.

Investigation. >> but I think it's extremely

>> but I think it's extremely clear that these peaceful

Clear that these peaceful protesters were targeted simply

Protesters were targeted simply because of the message that they

Because of the message that they were conveying. So, again, it's

Were conveying. So, again, it's hard to get in the mind of an

Hard to get in the mind of an evildoer, of somebody who would

Evildoer, of somebody who would commit such a heinous act of

Commit such a heinous act of terror. But, you know, every

Terror. But, you know, every indication is that this was

Indication is that this was entirely deliberate. And I'm

Entirely deliberate. And I'm sure we'll find out more in the

Sure we'll find out more in the days to come.

Days to come. >> yeah, governor, the country,

>> yeah, governor, the country, as you know, has been in this

As you know, has been in this heightened state following

Heightened state following anti-semitic attacks, including

Anti-semitic attacks, including the recent dc murders, just a

The recent dc murders, just a little over a week ago. Given

Little over a week ago. Given that what security measures, if

That what security measures, if any, were in place for this

Any, were in place for this event?

Event? >> well, you know, this is a.

>> well, you know, this is a. >> standard event. This has been

>> standard event. This has been occurring for weeks. There's

Occurring for weeks. There's just the standard security wall

Just the standard security wall that we're not any threats that

That we're not any threats that I was aware of particular to

I was aware of particular to this event. We have as a state

This event. We have as a state put money into protecting

Put money into protecting targeted sites. And these are

Targeted sites. And these are synagogues, churches, mosques

Synagogues, churches, mosques that have faced threats. We've

That have faced threats. We've helped install video cameras.

Helped install video cameras. We've given grants 50, $100,000

We've given grants 50, $100,000 to protect them and offer offer

To protect them and offer offer protection for major events.

Protection for major events. This kind of thing happens, you

This kind of thing happens, you know, these kind of peaceful

Know, these kind of peaceful protests happen regularly. I

Protests happen regularly. I mean, this is the for those

Mean, this is the for those who've been to boulder,

Who've been to boulder, colorado, the public

Colorado, the public thoroughfare, thoroughfare,

Thoroughfare, thoroughfare, pearl street mall is very much a

Pearl street mall is very much a free speech zone. It's very much

Free speech zone. It's very much in keeping with the tradition of

In keeping with the tradition of the pearl street mall, that

The pearl street mall, that there's people there from a

There's people there from a variety of causes and some you

Variety of causes and some you might agree with. Some of you

Might agree with. Some of you might disagree with. But this

Might disagree with. But this has been, at least until now, a

Has been, at least until now, a safe place to have your voice

Safe place to have your voice heard.

Heard. >> at least until now. What does

>> at least until now. What does your state need right now,

Your state need right now, governor? What are the next

Governor? What are the next steps in this investigation?

Steps in this investigation? >> well, look.

>> well, look. >> as I said, the likely

>> as I said, the likely perpetrator, as you know, has

Perpetrator, as you know, has been apprehended. We await the

Been apprehended. We await the charges. There was recently a

Charges. There was recently a press conference. Obviously,

Press conference. Obviously, there's a lot of video, a lot

There's a lot of video, a lot of evidence. I think the

Of evidence. I think the immediate thing to find out is

Immediate thing to find out is were there any others that were

Were there any others that were involved or knew about the plot?

Involved or knew about the plot? And then, of course, how can we

And then, of course, how can we make sure that people feel safe

Make sure that people feel safe in the future expressing their

In the future expressing their viewpoints, whatever they are in

Viewpoints, whatever they are in our state and also in our

Our state and also in our country.?

Country.? >> and to that point, lastly,

>> and to that point, lastly, boulder is no stranger to

Boulder is no stranger to tragedy. Governor, can you give

Tragedy. Governor, can you give us some insight into how the

Us some insight into how the community is feeling at this

Community is feeling at this moment and what the next days

Moment and what the next days and weeks look for them, what

And weeks look for them, what they can expect from their

They can expect from their leaders?

Leaders? >> yeah.

>> yeah. >> you know, and I've talked to

>> you know, and I've talked to the mayor, mayor aaron brockett,

The mayor, mayor aaron brockett, earlier today. Look, I think

Earlier today. Look, I think boulder is a diverse community,

Boulder is a diverse community, many different faiths, many

Many different faiths, many different viewpoints, but

Different viewpoints, but certainly those of the jewish

Certainly those of the jewish faith in particular. Now feel

Faith in particular. Now feel particularly threatened,

Particularly threatened, particularly targeted. It's very

Particularly targeted. It's very important that we can reassure

Important that we can reassure and protect them. I know that

And protect them. I know that the city also has an effort,

The city also has an effort, often helping to protect

Often helping to protect synagogues, places of worship

Synagogues, places of worship the state and our state trooper

The state and our state trooper organization absolutely steps up

Organization absolutely steps up and has been a part of that.

And has been a part of that. We're supporting this

We're supporting this investigation. We want to make

Investigation. We want to make sure that, again, no matter what

Sure that, again, no matter what your viewpoints are in our

Your viewpoints are in our state, that you feel safe. And

State, that you feel safe. And particularly now, a lot of

Particularly now, a lot of members of our jewish community

Members of our jewish community feel particularly threatened by

Feel particularly threatened by this, this act of terrorism.

This, this act of terrorism. >> colorado governor jared

>> colorado governor jared polis, thank you for joining us.

Polis, thank you for joining us. Appreciate the time and again.

Appreciate the time and again. Our thoughts are with everybody

Our thoughts are with everybody in your state.

In your state. >> thank you.

>> thank you. >> let's hope that they all

>> let's hope that they all recover safely. Those directly

Recover safely. Those directly affected.

Affected. >> and joining me now is bobby

>> and joining me now is bobby chacon, a retired fbi special

Chacon, a retired fbi special agent and former fbi dive team

Agent and former fbi dive team leader bobby. More and more

Leader bobby. More and more information has trickled in

Information has trickled in about what unfolded today.

About what unfolded today. There's video out there of the

There's video out there of the suspect holding what appeared to

Suspect holding what appeared to be bottles in his hands and

Be bottles in his hands and yelling, we have six people

Yelling, we have six people injured, at least one

Injured, at least one critically. The suspect in

Critically. The suspect in custody now and identified the

Custody now and identified the fbi also just posting. They are

Fbi also just posting. They are conducting court authorized law

Conducting court authorized law enforcement activity in el paso

Enforcement activity in el paso county, colorado. With all of

County, colorado. With all of that, take us behind the law

That, take us behind the law enforcement curtain at this

Enforcement curtain at this moment. What are investigators

Moment. What are investigators doing right now?

Doing right now? >> well, there's two main

>> well, there's two main investigations going on right

Investigations going on right now. The first one is to let's

Now. The first one is to let's hold this guy on some kind of

Hold this guy on some kind of assault charge, some kind of

Assault charge, some kind of local state charge that you have

Local state charge that you have plenty of evidence on. You have

Plenty of evidence on. You have witnesses that have been

Witnesses that have been interviewed at the scene, and

Interviewed at the scene, and you have him identified. They

You have him identified. They probably showed, you know, they

Probably showed, you know, they have witnesses, so they're going

Have witnesses, so they're going to hold him on something. So

To hold him on something. So they're going to have a, a

They're going to have a, a probably an assault charge.

Probably an assault charge. Prepared and then overnight. And

Prepared and then overnight. And since the incident happened this

Since the incident happened this afternoon, the fbi offices and

Afternoon, the fbi offices and offices across the country have

Offices across the country have been running leads on this guy.

Been running leads on this guy. They're doing a deep dive on

They're doing a deep dive on him. They probably interviewing

Him. They probably interviewing his family and his friends,

His family and his friends, coworkers. People like that. And

Coworkers. People like that. And they're building a more of a

They're building a more of a profile picture of him so that

Profile picture of him so that they're talking with the u.S.

They're talking with the u.S. Attorney's office and the

Attorney's office and the federal prosecutors in denver to

Federal prosecutors in denver to see what kind of federal charges

See what kind of federal charges we might upgrade to. So if there

We might upgrade to. So if there is a terrorism charge or if

Is a terrorism charge or if there's a hate crime charge on

There's a hate crime charge on the federal level that's going

The federal level that's going to come in the next day or two,

To come in the next day or two, but they're going to hold him

But they're going to hold him initially, probably on some

Initially, probably on some local charge. That's that's

Local charge. That's that's clear and convincing. And then

Clear and convincing. And then they're working to find the

They're working to find the elements that they'll need, and

Elements that they'll need, and they're working with federal

They're working with federal prosecutors on that to see what

Prosecutors on that to see what they'll need to develop. And

They'll need to develop. And they can get to charge him with

They can get to charge him with some kind of federal hate crime

Some kind of federal hate crime or some kind of terrorism

Or some kind of terrorism charge.

Charge. >> earlier, we heard the fbi

>> earlier, we heard the fbi special agent in charge say a

Special agent in charge say a makeshift flamethrower was used

Makeshift flamethrower was used in this attack. Could could that

In this attack. Could could that have been something put together

Have been something put together by everyday items off the

By everyday items off the shelves? Or should material use

Shelves? Or should material use to make something like that have

To make something like that have raised a flag?

Raised a flag? >> well, no. I think you can

>> well, no. I think you can probably find things that can.

Probably find things that can. All you need is a propellant.

All you need is a propellant. You know, like a, you know, some

You know, like a, you know, some people use around their homes

People use around their homes for bug spray, like a metal

For bug spray, like a metal container, a canister that's now

Container, a canister that's now it's not going to work that

It's not going to work that great. And it may break down

Great. And it may break down during, during an initial use.

During, during an initial use. But you may get a little initial

But you may get a little initial use out of it before it breaks

Use out of it before it breaks down. So you can probably get

Down. So you can probably get some kind of crude device like

Some kind of crude device like that without raising any flags.

That without raising any flags. You know, simple torches or

You know, simple torches or something. All you need is

Something. All you need is something propellant to propel

Something propellant to propel it out. And you can probably get

It out. And you can probably get that without raising flags. And,

That without raising flags. And, and, you know, the molotov

And, you know, the molotov cocktails or the, the kind of

Cocktails or the, the kind of improvised things that he used

Improvised things that he used to burn. These people are easily

To burn. These people are easily assembled. And you can probably

Assembled. And you can probably find information online. Realize

Find information online. Realize how difficult this is. Burns are

How difficult this is. Burns are one of the most horrific

One of the most horrific injuries you can perpetuate onto

Injuries you can perpetuate onto someone. And you know, my my

Someone. And you know, my my thoughts are with these people

Thoughts are with these people because these are hard very

Because these are hard very painful injuries to go through

Painful injuries to go through and to survive.

And to survive. >> yeah. Bobby, in your

>> yeah. Bobby, in your experience as a lone assailant

Experience as a lone assailant who is planning something like

Who is planning something like this, does that planning and

This, does that planning and their behavior generally go

Their behavior generally go unnoticed?

Unnoticed? >> you know, unfortunately not.

>> you know, unfortunately not. And that's probably what they're

And that's probably what they're going to be looking at as well.

Going to be looking at as well. Could anybody in his family or

Could anybody in his family or his inner circle, if he didn't

His inner circle, if he didn't have a family who he was

Have a family who he was associating with? You know, we

Associating with? You know, we don't and none of us were live

Don't and none of us were live in a vacuum. So I'm sure there

In a vacuum. So I'm sure there were people who knew maybe his

Were people who knew maybe his predilections towards you know,

Predilections towards you know, supporting the palestinian cause

Supporting the palestinian cause or things like that. Maybe they

Or things like that. Maybe they didn't know he was this far

Didn't know he was this far along in this kind of process to

Along in this kind of process to perpetuate violence against, you

Perpetuate violence against, you know, elderly jewish people. But

Know, elderly jewish people. But certainly there was probably

Certainly there was probably some indication that, you know,

Some indication that, you know, he didn't you know, he didn't

He didn't you know, he didn't look at these vigils that these

Look at these vigils that these people have been holding there

People have been holding there as something that he would

As something that he would syou know, it's o

Syou know, it's o going to be interesting to see

Going to be interesting to see if they do come across anybody

If they do come across anybody that kind of thought he might

That kind of thought he might take action like this. Sometimes

Take action like this. Sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't.

There is, sometimes there isn't. But like you alluded to earlier,

But like you alluded to earlier, you know, less than two weeks

You know, less than two weeks ago, we had somebody similar

Ago, we had somebody similar yelling free palestine who

Yelling free palestine who executed two young israelis in

Executed two young israelis in washington, d.C., and another

Washington, d.C., and another brutal, violent attack on on

Brutal, violent attack on on u.S. Soil. So, you know, we need

U.S. Soil. So, you know, we need to start looking at this as, you

To start looking at this as, you know, as something that may

Know, as something that may continue and escalate.

Continue and escalate. >> and I want to ask you a

>> and I want to ask you a little bit about that. Take a

Little bit about that. Take a step back to the event itself.

Step back to the event itself. It was described as a weekly

It was described as a weekly awareness of the israeli

Awareness of the israeli hostages in gaza. Given those

Hostages in gaza. Given those recent anti-semitic attacks,

Recent anti-semitic attacks, like the murders of the israeli

Like the murders of the israeli embassy employees in dc, there

Embassy employees in dc, there certainly seems to be a sense of

Certainly seems to be a sense of heightened awareness. I actually

Heightened awareness. I actually see every day, even before those

See every day, even before those attacks, a high level of

Attacks, a high level of security around a jewish

Security around a jewish community center near where I

Community center near where I live. So take us through what

Live. So take us through what security at this event in

Security at this event in boulder may have looked like, or

Boulder may have looked like, or possibly should have looked

Possibly should have looked like, and maybe some changes

Like, and maybe some changes moving forward.

Moving forward. >> yeah. You know, apathy is

>> yeah. You know, apathy is always the enemy of security.

Always the enemy of security. And so like, you know, like the

And so like, you know, like the governor just mentioned to you,

Governor just mentioned to you, these things are ongoing and

These things are ongoing and these aren't even I would take

These aren't even I would take issue with the governor's

Issue with the governor's characterization, these

Characterization, these protests, these are often like

Protests, these are often like vigils. They're just in support

Vigils. They're just in support of the hostages. They're not

Of the hostages. They're not they're, you know, supporting

They're, you know, supporting israel, per se. They just want

Israel, per se. They just want to bring awareness that these

To bring awareness that these people are still being held

People are still being held hostage and that they should be

Hostage and that they should be freed. So these are more like

Freed. So these are more like vigils, and they go on on a

Vigils, and they go on on a weekly basis, not only in

Weekly basis, not only in boulder but across the country.

Boulder but across the country. And so they're very peaceful.

And so they're very peaceful. These are elderly people.

These are elderly people. They're not a threat to anyone.

They're not a threat to anyone. And so they go on all the time

And so they go on all the time and they're not threatened. And

And they're not threatened. And then this one happens. So I

Then this one happens. So I think that, you know, all all of

Think that, you know, all all of these things have to people have

These things have to people have to start reevaluating local

To start reevaluating local jurisdictions, has to start

Jurisdictions, has to start reevaluating how how they

Reevaluating how how they dedicate security to these

Dedicate security to these things because these people are

Things because these people are out there, they're shouting free

Out there, they're shouting free palestine, they're getting

Palestine, they're getting radicalized, and and they're

Radicalized, and and they're taking violent action on u.S.

Taking violent action on u.S. Soil against jewish people.

Soil against jewish people. >> bobby chacon, appreciate your

>> bobby chacon, appreciate your expertise. Thank you sir.

Expertise. Thank you sir. >> thank you.

>> thank you. >> as the u.S., qatar and egypt

>> as the u.S., qatar and egypt try to help bring about a cease

Try to help bring about a cease fire agreement in gaza,

Fire agreement in gaza, israel's defense minister has a

Israel's defense minister has a very different message for the

Very different message for the country's military. What he is

Country's military. What he is saying next. Plus, ukraine

Saying next. Plus, ukraine launches a significant drone

Launches a significant drone operation against russian air

Operation against russian air bases just one day before high

Bases just one day before high level peace talks in

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Pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand.

And supplement brand. >> we have new developments on

>> we have new developments on the efforts to reach a ceasefire

The efforts to reach a ceasefire deal in gaza. Hamas says it is

Deal in gaza. Hamas says it is ready to, quote, immediately

Ready to, quote, immediately begin indirect negotiations to

Begin indirect negotiations to resolve outstanding issues, to

Resolve outstanding issues, to reach an agreement. But the

Reach an agreement. But the militant group adds they hope

Militant group adds they hope the talks will achieve a

The talks will achieve a permanent ceasefire in gaza and

Permanent ceasefire in gaza and a complete withdrawal of israeli

A complete withdrawal of israeli forces. Qatar and egypt say they

Forces. Qatar and egypt say they are continuing their efforts to

Are continuing their efforts to help bring about a deal, as

Help bring about a deal, as recent negotiations over a u.S.

Recent negotiations over a u.S. Proposed cease fire plan

Proposed cease fire plan appeared to make little

Appeared to make little progress. And despite efforts to

Progress. And despite efforts to hold the cease fire hostage

Hold the cease fire hostage release talks, israel's defense

Release talks, israel's defense minister is telling the military

Minister is telling the military to keep advancing in gaza. In a

To keep advancing in gaza. In a statement, israel katz called on

Statement, israel katz called on the military to, quote, employ

The military to, quote, employ all necessary means by air, land

All necessary means by air, land and sea, adding either hamas

And sea, adding either hamas releases the hostages or it will

Releases the hostages or it will be destroyed. Meanwhile, world

Be destroyed. Meanwhile, world food program chief cindy mccain

Food program chief cindy mccain says the only way to prevent a

Says the only way to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe in gaza

Humanitarian catastrophe in gaza is an immediate cease fire and,

Is an immediate cease fire and, quote, complete, unfettered

Quote, complete, unfettered access into the enclave to

Access into the enclave to distribute aid. And we now have

Distribute aid. And we now have conflicting reports about what

Conflicting reports about what happened at an aid distribution

Happened at an aid distribution site over the weekend. The

Site over the weekend. The palestinian health ministry and

Palestinian health ministry and eyewitnesses say israeli troops

Eyewitnesses say israeli troops fired at people waiting for aid.

Fired at people waiting for aid. But israel, israeli military

But israel, israeli military denies that claim. The

Denies that claim. The palestinian health ministry says

Palestinian health ministry says the death toll in the incident

The death toll in the incident has gone up, with at least 31

Has gone up, with at least 31 palestinians killed and dozens

Palestinians killed and dozens injured. Cnn spoke to witnesses

Injured. Cnn spoke to witnesses who recounted the deadly chaos.

Who recounted the deadly chaos. >> whoever manages to push

>> whoever manages to push forward might get something.

Forward might get something. Those who can't get nothing.

Those who can't get nothing. People are starving. There's no

People are starving. There's no place to get food except that

Place to get food except that dangerous point. It's not a

Dangerous point. It's not a humanitarian point. It's a death

Humanitarian point. It's a death trap. The gunfire was intense.

Trap. The gunfire was intense. Someone next to me was shot in

Someone next to me was shot in the shoulder. And when people

The shoulder. And when people died there, no one carries them

Died there, no one carries them away. Bodies are piled up on top

Away. Bodies are piled up on top of each other.

Of each other. >> allahu akbar.

>> allahu akbar. >> I reached the distribution.

>> I reached the distribution. >> point.

>> point. >> and the available aid was

>> and the available aid was extremely limited after the

Extremely limited after the boxes were gone. Many people

Boxes were gone. Many people didn't get anything. The large

Didn't get anything. The large crowds that came from gaza city

Crowds that came from gaza city and other areas got nothing.

And other areas got nothing. Then gunfire started. They used

Then gunfire started. They used tear gas, sprayed us with pepper

Tear gas, sprayed us with pepper spray and opened fire causing

Spray and opened fire causing injuries. The situation there is

Injuries. The situation there is more difficult than you can

More difficult than you can imagine.

Imagine. >> cnn's oren liebermann has

>> cnn's oren liebermann has the details of the incident at

The details of the incident at the gaza aid center, and a

The gaza aid center, and a warning some of the images you

Warning some of the images you are about to see are disturbing.

Are about to see are disturbing. >> a deadly day near an aid

>> a deadly day near an aid distribution site in southern

Distribution site in southern gaza on Sunday, when the

Gaza on Sunday, when the palestinian ministry of health

Palestinian ministry of health says 31 palestinians were killed

Says 31 palestinians were killed and scores more were wounded.

And scores more were wounded. The red cross, which has a 60

The red cross, which has a 60 bed field hospital in rafah,

Bed field hospital in rafah, says their facility was quickly

Says their facility was quickly overwhelmed by the number of

Overwhelmed by the number of people who came in with gunshot

People who came in with gunshot and shrapnel wounds. The red

And shrapnel wounds. The red cross says they had to send the

Cross says they had to send the casualties to several other

Casualties to several other facilities in order to be

Facilities in order to be treated. They called it the

Treated. They called it the single highest weapon wounded

Single highest weapon wounded event that they've dealt with

Event that they've dealt with since the beginning of their

Since the beginning of their facility more than a year ago.

Facility more than a year ago. The palestinian ministry of

The palestinian ministry of health says it was israeli

Health says it was israeli forces who opened fire on

Forces who opened fire on palestinians as they went

Palestinians as they went towards an aid distribution

Towards an aid distribution site. They said those killed had

Site. They said those killed had suffered gunshot wounds to the

Suffered gunshot wounds to the head and to the chest. Doctors

Head and to the chest. Doctors at nasser hospital and

At nasser hospital and paramedics, as they all say they

Paramedics, as they all say they also treated the gunshot wounds.

Also treated the gunshot wounds. Many of them from this mass

Many of them from this mass casualty incident. Israel denies

Casualty incident. Israel denies any involvement here, saying

Any involvement here, saying that they did not open fire on

That they did not open fire on palestinians at or near an aid

Palestinians at or near an aid distribution site. They said

Distribution site. They said accusations that israeli

Accusations that israeli soldiers did so were, quote,

Soldiers did so were, quote, false reports. The gaza

False reports. The gaza humanitarian foundation, which

Humanitarian foundation, which is the controversial u.S. And

Is the controversial u.S. And israel backed organization that

Israel backed organization that runs these sites, says there was

Runs these sites, says there was no fire at or near any of their

No fire at or near any of their four sites, either during the

Four sites, either during the distribution of aid or

Distribution of aid or throughout the morning at some

Throughout the morning at some of those other sites that were

Of those other sites that were closed, they said. Reports

Closed, they said. Reports otherwise are untrue and

Otherwise are untrue and fabricated. One medical official

Fabricated. One medical official in gaza did tell cnn that it was

In gaza did tell cnn that it was very difficult, especially in

Very difficult, especially in the chaos, like these moments,

The chaos, like these moments, to tell who was firing upon whom

To tell who was firing upon whom and who it was that was

And who it was that was responsible for the shooting.

Responsible for the shooting. Now, an israeli military source

Now, an israeli military source did tell cnn that there was an

Did tell cnn that there was an incident several hours before

Incident several hours before the distribution site opened, a

The distribution site opened, a kilometer away from the site in

Kilometer away from the site in which suspects approached an

Which suspects approached an israeli position. The israeli

Israeli position. The israeli forces opened fire towards the

Forces opened fire towards the suspects that were approaching,

Suspects that were approaching, with warning shots, but the

With warning shots, but the military source says this is not

Military source says this is not connected to reports of israel

Connected to reports of israel opening fire on civilians near

Opening fire on civilians near distribution site. Video from

Distribution site. Video from rafah in the aftermath of the

Rafah in the aftermath of the scene shows the. The head of

Scene shows the. The head of unwra, which is the un agency

Unwra, which is the un agency that works with palestinian

That works with palestinian refugees, says the distribution

Refugees, says the distribution sites are, quote, death traps

Sites are, quote, death traps because of what unfolded today

Because of what unfolded today and the challenges over the

And the challenges over the course of the past week since

Course of the past week since these new distribution sites

These new distribution sites opened. The chf has been up and

Opened. The chf has been up and running for about a week now,

Running for about a week now, with the plan being there to

With the plan being there to open four different sites.

Open four different sites. Several of those have been up

Several of those have been up and running over the course of

And running over the course of the last several days, and in

The last several days, and in the videos from these scenes you

The videos from these scenes you see thousands, if not tens of

See thousands, if not tens of thousands of palestinians

Thousands of palestinians rushing in the moment they're

Rushing in the moment they're opened, rushing to get boxes and

Opened, rushing to get boxes and then taking whatever food is in

Then taking whatever food is in those boxes. Each is supposed to

Those boxes. Each is supposed to be able to feed a family for

Be able to feed a family for about a half a week, and leaving

About a half a week, and leaving the scenes. It is in this scene

The scenes. It is in this scene of chaos that this mass shooting

Of chaos that this mass shooting occurred. Oren liebermann, cnn,

Occurred. Oren liebermann, cnn, jerusalem.

Jerusalem. >> russian and ukrainian

>> russian and ukrainian officials are expected to meet

Officials are expected to meet in istanbul in the coming hours,

In istanbul in the coming hours, but neither side is optimistic

But neither side is optimistic the summit will yield an

The summit will yield an imminent resolution to the war.

Imminent resolution to the war. The u.S. Is not expected to have

The u.S. Is not expected to have a presence at the meeting, but

A presence at the meeting, but president donald trump recently

President donald trump recently warned both moscow and kyiv of

Warned both moscow and kyiv of consequences if they don't

Consequences if they don't engage in the peace process.

Engage in the peace process. Since their last meeting, russia

Since their last meeting, russia has intensified airborne attacks

Has intensified airborne attacks against ukraine, killing more

Against ukraine, killing more than 340 civilians. Videos from

Than 340 civilians. Videos from social media show thick smoke

Social media show thick smoke rising near russia's belaya

Rising near russia's belaya airfield. On Sunday, it was one

Airfield. On Sunday, it was one of four russian air bases

Of four russian air bases targeted by ukraine in an

Targeted by ukraine in an audacious drone operation ahead

Audacious drone operation ahead of the high stakes talks. Video

Of the high stakes talks. Video obtained by cnn appears to show

Obtained by cnn appears to show russian combat planes burning on

Russian combat planes burning on the tarmac. Cnn cannot

The tarmac. Cnn cannot independently verify the

Independently verify the location, but a source with the

Location, but a source with the ukrainian security service said

Ukrainian security service said Sunday's strikes targeted bases

Sunday's strikes targeted bases deep inside russia. U.S.

Deep inside russia. U.S. Officials say kyiv strikes had a

Officials say kyiv strikes had a level of sophistication not seen

Level of sophistication not seen before. Meanwhile, ukraine

Before. Meanwhile, ukraine claims operation spider's web,

Claims operation spider's web, as it's being called, has

As it's being called, has inflicted $7 billion worth of

Inflicted $7 billion worth of damage on the russian military.

Damage on the russian military. Joining me now is robert

Joining me now is robert english, director of central

English, director of central european studies at university

European studies at university of southern california. Good to

Of southern california. Good to see you, robert. Let's get into

See you, robert. Let's get into this ukrainian attack. Those

This ukrainian attack. Those images that were released of the

Images that were released of the burning planes seem to show a

Burning planes seem to show a fairly stunning success for the

Fairly stunning success for the mission. What does this

Mission. What does this operation tell you about

Operation tell you about ukraine's capabilities this deep

Ukraine's capabilities this deep into the war?

Into the war? >> yeah, they continue to grow

>> yeah, they continue to grow and they've pulled off

And they've pulled off something remarkably complex

Something remarkably complex with great success, striking

With great success, striking deep at multiple points into

Deep at multiple points into russia. And the danger, I think,

Russia. And the danger, I think, is that ukraine supporters will

Is that ukraine supporters will take this as something that

Take this as something that portends a reversal in the war

Portends a reversal in the war or somehow forcing russia to the

Or somehow forcing russia to the bargaining table into

Bargaining table into concessions. And I'm afraid

Concessions. And I'm afraid that it will still be possible

That it will still be possible for putin to shrug this off as

For putin to shrug this off as he has other ukrainian special

He has other ukrainian special operations, because it really

Operations, because it really doesn't go to the central

Doesn't go to the central battle in the donbas on the

Battle in the donbas on the eastern front.

Eastern front. >> I know senior u.S. Officials

>> I know senior u.S. Officials have said that this attack

Have said that this attack showed a new level of

Showed a new level of sophistication, and still

Sophistication, and still unclear how those drones were

Unclear how those drones were piloted, so on and so forth. It

Piloted, so on and so forth. It does seem with this that

Does seem with this that zelenskyy may be pulling a page

Zelenskyy may be pulling a page from putin's playbook here,

From putin's playbook here, coordinating attacks around

Coordinating attacks around peace talks, though we should

Peace talks, though we should make it clear that these targets

Make it clear that these targets of ukraine's attack were very

Of ukraine's attack were very much military assets. The same

Much military assets. The same cannot be said for some of the

Cannot be said for some of the recent russian attacks. But

Recent russian attacks. But given the timing, what, if

Given the timing, what, if anything, does this do for the

Anything, does this do for the prospect of successful peace

Prospect of successful peace talks?

Talks? >> that depends on putin,

>> that depends on putin, because in the past he has

Because in the past he has responded to ukrainian special

Responded to ukrainian special operations. There have been

Operations. There have been assassinations of pro-war

Assassinations of pro-war political military officials.

Political military officials. There have been explosions at

There have been explosions at refineries, pipelines. And in

Refineries, pipelines. And in the past, putin's response has

The past, putin's response has been to lash out and hit back

Been to lash out and hit back even harder. So, at least

Even harder. So, at least temporarily, there's a danger

Temporarily, there's a danger that today I'm already over on

That today I'm already over on the other side of the atlantic.

The other side of the atlantic. So it's this morning here at the

So it's this morning here at the talks today in istanbul. The

Talks today in istanbul. The russians might show up with a

Russians might show up with a harder line, maybe not even show

Harder line, maybe not even show up. We don't know. Or putin may

Up. We don't know. Or putin may just shrug it off, but continue

Just shrug it off, but continue on the same path. It's hard to

On the same path. It's hard to say, but the ball's in his

Say, but the ball's in his court.

Court. >> robert. If no deal is

>> robert. If no deal is reached, where do we go from

Reached, where do we go from here? Because it seems like the

Here? Because it seems like the u.S. Is getting near the end of

U.S. Is getting near the end of its patience gas tank here with

Its patience gas tank here with mediation efforts, and it's

Mediation efforts, and it's still not clear what realistic

Still not clear what realistic concessions putin would accept.

Concessions putin would accept. Is there any insight there?

Is there any insight there? >> you know what's under way at

>> you know what's under way at the same time, of course, is we

The same time, of course, is we have this bill moving rapidly

Have this bill moving rapidly through the congress, right.

Through the congress, right. Bipartisan senate support.

Bipartisan senate support. Senators blumenthal and graham

Senators blumenthal and graham that would ramp up the economic

That would ramp up the economic pressure on russia significantly

Pressure on russia significantly by applying 500% tariffs to

By applying 500% tariffs to those countries that buy russian

Those countries that buy russian oil, gas and petroleum products.

Oil, gas and petroleum products. And that would basically hit

And that would basically hit india and china very hard. And

India and china very hard. And it's a fine idea in principle,

It's a fine idea in principle, but in reality, with a trump,

But in reality, with a trump, with a trade war going on and

With a trade war going on and tariff issues so delicate and

Tariff issues so delicate and the potential for backlash in

The potential for backlash in the eu this might not work. It

The eu this might not work. It seems like a lever that could

Seems like a lever that could finally apply some major

Finally apply some major economic pressure on russia. But

Economic pressure on russia. But implementing it, I think the

Implementing it, I think the white house will be very leery

White house will be very leery when it's juggling this trade

When it's juggling this trade war on all fronts

War on all fronts simultaneously.

Simultaneously. >> and we will see what happens

>> and we will see what happens with the latest round of peace

With the latest round of peace talks in between. Robert

Talks in between. Robert english, appreciate your time

English, appreciate your time and expertise. Thank you.

And expertise. Thank you. >> my pleasure.

>> my pleasure. >> we'll have more on our

>> we'll have more on our breaking news ahead as

Breaking news ahead as authorities investigate an

Authorities investigate an attack in colorado as an act of

Attack in colorado as an act of terrorism. The latest ahead.

Publishing world to make it easy for you.

For you. >> call 805 630741.

>> call 805 630741. >> welcome back I'm brian abel.

>> welcome back I'm brian abel. Let's take a look at today's

Let's take a look at today's top stories. Hamas says it is

Top stories. Hamas says it is ready to immediately begin

Ready to immediately begin indirect negotiations to resolve

Indirect negotiations to resolve outstanding issues to reach a

Outstanding issues to reach a cease fire agreement. Qatar and

Cease fire agreement. Qatar and egypt say they are continuing

Egypt say they are continuing their efforts to help bring

Their efforts to help bring about a deal, as recent

About a deal, as recent negotiations over a u.S.

Negotiations over a u.S. Proposed cease fire plan appear

Proposed cease fire plan appear to make little progress. Videos

To make little progress. Videos from social media show thick

From social media show thick smoke rising near russia's

Smoke rising near russia's belaya airfield on Sunday. It

Belaya airfield on Sunday. It was one of four russian air

Was one of four russian air bases targeted by ukraine in a

Bases targeted by ukraine in a drone operation. Meanwhile,

Drone operation. Meanwhile, russian and ukrainian officials

Russian and ukrainian officials are expected to meet in istanbul

Are expected to meet in istanbul in the coming hours. But neither

In the coming hours. But neither side is optimistic the summit

Side is optimistic the summit will yield an imminent

Will yield an imminent resolution to the war. Emergency

Resolution to the war. Emergency teams in northeast india have

Teams in northeast india have been carrying out rescues due to

Been carrying out rescues due to heavy flooding. City streets

Heavy flooding. City streets submerged after heavy rainfall

Submerged after heavy rainfall caused rivers to overflow, as

Caused rivers to overflow, as well as landslides. At least

Well as landslides. At least eight deaths have been

Eight deaths have been confirmed. And back now to our

Confirmed. And back now to our breaking news out of boulder,

Breaking news out of boulder, colorado. The fbi investigating

Colorado. The fbi investigating an attack as an act of terrorism

An attack as an act of terrorism after they say a man used a

After they say a man used a makeshift flamethrower to injure

Makeshift flamethrower to injure at least six people at a

At least six people at a gathering in support of israeli

Gathering in support of israeli hostages. The suspect is

Hostages. The suspect is identified as 45 year old

Identified as 45 year old mohammad sabri suleiman. He was

Mohammad sabri suleiman. He was seen carrying two bottles and

Seen carrying two bottles and was reported to have yelled free

Was reported to have yelled free palestine! He's expected to be

Palestine! He's expected to be charged in the coming days.

Charged in the coming days. >> I will emphasize that we're

>> I will emphasize that we're in the very early stages here,

In the very early stages here, but the response by federal,

But the response by federal, state and local officials is

State and local officials is underway, and I greatly

Underway, and I greatly appreciate the work of the

Appreciate the work of the federal bureau of investigation.

Federal bureau of investigation. There are many agents. We have

There are many agents. We have the colorado state patrol here,

The colorado state patrol here, boulder county sheriff's

Boulder county sheriff's office, and of course, of

Office, and of course, of course, the boulder police

Course, the boulder police department. They are working

Department. They are working hand in hand to ensure that we

Hand in hand to ensure that we secure all the evidence, all the

Secure all the evidence, all the information and all the witness

Information and all the witness statements. We need to hold the

Statements. We need to hold the attacker fully accountable. That

Attacker fully accountable. That is my promise to hold the the

Is my promise to hold the the attacker fully accountable.

Attacker fully accountable. >> authorities say the victims

>> authorities say the victims in Sunday's attack in boulder

In Sunday's attack in boulder range in age from 67 to 88. The

Range in age from 67 to 88. The city's police chief emphasized

City's police chief emphasized support for those affected by

Support for those affected by the violence and those shaken by

The violence and those shaken by the day's events.

The day's events. >> you know, boulder is not

>> you know, boulder is not immune to tragedy, sadly, and I

Immune to tragedy, sadly, and I know a lot of people are scared

Know a lot of people are scared right now. A lot of people are

Right now. A lot of people are upset and questioning how this

Upset and questioning how this happened and why. All I know is

Happened and why. All I know is boulder has recovered before

Boulder has recovered before from from acts of violence. And

From from acts of violence. And we will again recover. I urge

We will again recover. I urge the community in this time to

The community in this time to come together. Now is not the

Come together. Now is not the time to be divisive, and we will

Time to be divisive, and we will continue to ensure community

Continue to ensure community safety along with all of our

Safety along with all of our partners.

Partners. >> and joining me now from

>> and joining me now from boulder is brian, who witnessed

Boulder is brian, who witnessed Sunday's attack and shot one of

Sunday's attack and shot one of the videos from the scene of the

The videos from the scene of the man identified as the suspect.

Man identified as the suspect. Brian, thank you for joining us.

Brian, thank you for joining us. Before we get to anything about

Before we get to anything about this event, I just want to ask

This event, I just want to ask you how you are doing. I can't

You how you are doing. I can't even imagine witnessing

Even imagine witnessing something like this.

Something like this. >> yeah. Thank you. It's it's

>> yeah. Thank you. It's it's been it's been tough to

Been it's been tough to comprehend. And I think my

Comprehend. And I think my family is doing a bit better, a

Family is doing a bit better, a bit shaken up. But I think we'll

Bit shaken up. But I think we'll we'll make it through. Thanks.

We'll make it through. Thanks. >> of course. Can can you just

>> of course. Can can you just describe for me what you saw,

Describe for me what you saw, where you were in proximity to

Where you were in proximity to to what happened?

To what happened? >> yeah. So, I mean, it's a bit

>> yeah. So, I mean, it's a bit of a long story, but I can go in

Of a long story, but I can go in as in-depth as you would like me

As in-depth as you would like me to. Basically, I was I was there

To. Basically, I was I was there with my family. My niece and

With my family. My niece and nephew were visiting from

Nephew were visiting from florida, and I was there with my

Florida, and I was there with my two toddlers and my wife, and we

Two toddlers and my wife, and we had initially seen the the run

Had initially seen the the run for their lives walk across the

For their lives walk across the street going down pearl street,

Street going down pearl street, which is the main pedestrian

Which is the main pedestrian mall area where everything took

Mall area where everything took place. And then we saw them curl

Place. And then we saw them curl back around and pass us on the

Back around and pass us on the way back to the courthouse,

Way back to the courthouse, which is where typically the

Which is where typically the courthouse squares, where where

Courthouse squares, where where these things end. We're well

These things end. We're well aware of of these types of

Aware of of these types of situations where jewish

Situations where jewish ourselves and we've always

Ourselves and we've always wanted to participate in these

Wanted to participate in these types of walks, just never

Types of walks, just never really felt safe enough to do

Really felt safe enough to do it. Over the last three years of

It. Over the last three years of them happening every Sunday, in

Them happening every Sunday, in denver or in boulder. And so we

Denver or in boulder. And so we were there about ten minutes

Were there about ten minutes after after that walk had passed

After after that walk had passed us, there was a woman who came

Us, there was a woman who came down to the area where we were

Down to the area where we were eating outside for lunch and

Eating outside for lunch and just kind of yelled that

Just kind of yelled that somebody was somebody was

Somebody was somebody was throwing fire at different

Throwing fire at different people. And with my already

People. And with my already trepidation of going to these

Trepidation of going to these kinds of events and kind of the

Kinds of events and kind of the danger that they present to us

Danger that they present to us in the jewish community I kind

In the jewish community I kind of thought the worst

Of thought the worst immediately. But instinctively,

Immediately. But instinctively, I think we like, like most

I think we like, like most people probably would. I just

People probably would. I just kind of hopped the fence, left

Kind of hopped the fence, left my one of my sons with my niece

My one of my sons with my niece and nephew and, and ran to the

And nephew and, and ran to the scene where I walked up with

Scene where I walked up with another gentleman who was trying

Another gentleman who was trying to kind of de-escalate the

To kind of de-escalate the situation with this man. The

Situation with this man. The attacker was pretty erratic, and

Attacker was pretty erratic, and walking, pacing around, yelling

Walking, pacing around, yelling things like, f f zionist or f

Things like, f f zionist or f zionist. You're killing all of

Zionist. You're killing all of my people with some other things

My people with some other things thrown in there as well. Like

Thrown in there as well. Like child killers and things like

Child killers and things like that. Things that you probably

That. Things that you probably have heard other people kind of

Have heard other people kind of spew in the past through social

Spew in the past through social media and so on and so forth.

Media and so on and so forth. And so I tried recording it,

And so I tried recording it, just assuming that he would

Just assuming that he would probably try and make a run for

Probably try and make a run for it at some point before the

It at some point before the police got there, he had two

Police got there, he had two kind of carafes of a clear

Kind of carafes of a clear liquid, which I initially

Liquid, which I initially thought was alcohol. Like I said

Thought was alcohol. Like I said in my video, I'm assuming it's

In my video, I'm assuming it's probably diesel. Gasoline. Once

Probably diesel. Gasoline. Once I learn a little bit more about

I learn a little bit more about it, especially because of the

It, especially because of the smell of all the burning

Smell of all the burning gasoline in the area. He had an

Gasoline in the area. He had an orange vest on initially and

Orange vest on initially and took that off. And then I heard

Took that off. And then I heard other people, obviously people

Other people, obviously people were screaming, distraught. Some

Were screaming, distraught. Some were writhing in pain, some

Were writhing in pain, some weren't moving at all. From the

Weren't moving at all. From the from the pain and from being

From the pain and from being burned. And and so I heard

Burned. And and so I heard people saying, like, where are

People saying, like, where are the police? Where are the

The police? Where are the police? And so I heard someone

Police? And so I heard someone on the phone, it seemed like

On the phone, it seemed like they were on with the with the

They were on with the with the police. But I turned off my

Police. But I turned off my phone from recording and

Phone from recording and initially tried calling the

Initially tried calling the police myself. After a couple of

Police myself. After a couple of attempts reached the operator,

Attempts reached the operator, they assured us that people were

They assured us that people were on their way. A lot of people

On their way. A lot of people were on their way. They said, I

Were on their way. They said, I think was the woman's words. And

Think was the woman's words. And so I put my phone in back of my

So I put my phone in back of my pocket, rushed to try and see

Pocket, rushed to try and see what I could do to help some of

What I could do to help some of the people that were writhing in

The people that were writhing in pain. As you saw, I don't know

Pain. As you saw, I don't know if you've shown this in any of

If you've shown this in any of my videos, but as my videos show

My videos, but as my videos show there was one woman who was an

There was one woman who was an elderly woman who had her hair

Elderly woman who had her hair charred and her her shirt

Charred and her her shirt completely, almost completely

Completely, almost completely burned off. There are numerous

Burned off. There are numerous people who were trying to help

People who were trying to help her. Recover, but she was barely

Her. Recover, but she was barely moving, if at all. They were all

Moving, if at all. They were all trying to pour like ice on her.

Trying to pour like ice on her. Some different buckets of water

Some different buckets of water where I then grabbed a bucket of

Where I then grabbed a bucket of water as the whole situation was

Water as the whole situation was going on. Over off on the side

Going on. Over off on the side with this man still threatening

With this man still threatening with these two carafes of

With these two carafes of basically these molotov

Basically these molotov cocktails with the fabric

Cocktails with the fabric sticking out of it, obviously

Sticking out of it, obviously threatening to still throw them.

Threatening to still throw them. There was already one that had

There was already one that had exploded by our feet, pretty

Exploded by our feet, pretty closely. And so I started

Closely. And so I started looking around at the victims.

Looking around at the victims. It looked, I mean, from from

It looked, I mean, from from foot to buttocks. Their skin

Foot to buttocks. Their skin looked like it was being shaved

Looked like it was being shaved off, their bodies hanging,

Off, their bodies hanging, hanging from their legs. Inch

Hanging from their legs. Inch diameter cuts with blood coming

Diameter cuts with blood coming out of them. There was a man who

Out of them. There was a man who was probably in his early 70s

Was probably in his early 70s who was pretty distraught and

Who was pretty distraught and just could barely speak. Pretty,

Just could barely speak. Pretty, pretty pretty much in shock the

Pretty pretty much in shock the whole time. Got some water from

Whole time. Got some water from the fountain that was right

The fountain that was right there in the courtyard. Poured

There in the courtyard. Poured some on his leg, tried to help

Some on his leg, tried to help him as much as I could. Took

Him as much as I could. Took some of the water, put some on

Some of the water, put some on some of the elderly women across

Some of the elderly women across the path on my left. One was a

The path on my left. One was a lot more concerned with her

Lot more concerned with her friend or family member. I'm not

Friend or family member. I'm not really sure. Who's a little bit

Really sure. Who's a little bit more severely burned than than

More severely burned than than she was. But but her pants had

She was. But but her pants had been basically singed off of her

Been basically singed off of her body. And then there was another

Body. And then there was another woman over on the side as well,

Woman over on the side as well, who was closer to the initial

Who was closer to the initial victim, who had the more serious

Victim, who had the more serious burns, probably second or third

Burns, probably second or third degree burns, from what I heard

Degree burns, from what I heard the paramedics say, once they

The paramedics say, once they did arrive she was writhing in

Did arrive she was writhing in pain and elbows, triceps, legs,

Pain and elbows, triceps, legs, knees, feet, all of it were

Knees, feet, all of it were burned. Just kind of imagine the

Burned. Just kind of imagine the worst sunburn that you can think

Worst sunburn that you can think of. And just pulling a sheet of

Of. And just pulling a sheet of skin off of there, off of their

Skin off of there, off of their legs is what it kind of looked

Legs is what it kind of looked like with redness and and blood.

Like with redness and and blood. >> it all it all sounds pretty,

>> it all it all sounds pretty, pretty horrible. I know so often

Pretty horrible. I know so often when we see the worst in

When we see the worst in humanity, we also see the best

Humanity, we also see the best in humanity. And it sounds like

In humanity. And it sounds like the people in the area showed

The people in the area showed you that as well. I want to ask

You that as well. I want to ask you, you mentioned always

You, you mentioned always wanting to participate in in the

Wanting to participate in in the event that was happening. How do

Event that was happening. How do you feel now about it?

You feel now about it? >> yeah, I mean, this isn't the

>> yeah, I mean, this isn't the most encouraging thing in the

Most encouraging thing in the world, obviously. It's it's

World, obviously. It's it's something that pushes me in the

Something that pushes me in the direction of wanting to attend

Direction of wanting to attend these events more. But obviously

These events more. But obviously the other side of the other

The other side of the other person on my shoulder is telling

Person on my shoulder is telling me it's just still not safe.

Me it's just still not safe. And I don't see that trend line

And I don't see that trend line leveling out anytime soon. As I

Leveling out anytime soon. As I mentioned to others, it's not

Mentioned to others, it's not even the event itself. That's

Even the event itself. That's the most horrific thing. It's

The most horrific thing. It's letting it's our country and

Letting it's our country and frankly, our community,

Frankly, our community, international community, local

International community, local communities that are that that

Communities that are that that have been become so polarized

Have been become so polarized with domestic policy and

With domestic policy and politics. Just one side against

Politics. Just one side against the other that's allowed it to

The other that's allowed it to get to this point. And I don't

Get to this point. And I don't see it changing anytime soon,

See it changing anytime soon, just based on what I've seen and

Just based on what I've seen and what I've heard. I think that's

What I've heard. I think that's the most concerning thing that

The most concerning thing that comes out of this whole thing,

Comes out of this whole thing, is that you hear about these

Is that you hear about these things that happen in

Things that happen in washington, dc. I've experienced

Washington, dc. I've experienced things when I lived in israel

Things when I lived in israel for a year. I've seen a lot of

For a year. I've seen a lot of this stuff firsthand, but none

This stuff firsthand, but none of it really comes and hits

Of it really comes and hits nearly at home until it really

Nearly at home until it really affects, like, my immediate

Affects, like, my immediate family. We can talk about it. We

Family. We can talk about it. We can preach about it on social

Can preach about it on social media. We can talk about it in

Media. We can talk about it in the news. But until you

The news. But until you experience it, you can't feel

Experience it, you can't feel nearly as pessimistic as

Nearly as pessimistic as probably those that experience

Probably those that experience it firsthand. Do because it's

It firsthand. Do because it's put it into a whole new a whole

Put it into a whole new a whole new perspective at this point

New perspective at this point forward. And I just frankly,

Forward. And I just frankly, it's again, it's pessimism

It's again, it's pessimism that anything will ever change

That anything will ever change in the near future.

In the near future. >> well, we certainly hope it

>> well, we certainly hope it does. Brian, really appreciate

Does. Brian, really appreciate you taking the time to join us.

You taking the time to join us. And please take care of

And please take care of yourself.

Yourself. >> thank you. You as well.

>> thank you. You as well. >> much more ahead.

>> my happy place next Sunday at 10:00 on cnn.

10:00 on cnn. >> donald trump's tariff

>> donald trump's tariff whiplash and the uncertainty

Whiplash and the uncertainty surrounding global trade

Surrounding global trade continues to weigh on markets

Continues to weigh on markets around the world. Let's take a

Around the world. Let's take a look right here at the asia

Look right here at the asia pacific region, the nikkei hang

Pacific region, the nikkei hang seng and seoul kospi all in the

Seng and seoul kospi all in the red. And then here in the

Red. And then here in the states, in the u.S., futureses e

States, in the u.S., futureses e also looking down. U.S. Commerce

Also looking down. U.S. Commerce secretary howard lutnick is

Secretary howard lutnick is warning that tariffs are not

Warning that tariffs are not going away. His comments come as

Going away. His comments come as president trump faces a legal

President trump faces a legal battle over his authority to

Battle over his authority to impose tariffs using emergency

Impose tariffs using emergency powers. Lutnick says the

Powers. Lutnick says the president has so many other

President has so many other authorities that he will find

Authorities that he will find another way to enforce his trade

Another way to enforce his trade agenda, if needed. Meanwhile,

Agenda, if needed. Meanwhile, the u.S. Is now accusing china

The u.S. Is now accusing china of violating a trade agreement

Of violating a trade agreement made weeks ago. But president

Made weeks ago. But president trump is planning to speak with

Trump is planning to speak with chinese president xi very soon.

Chinese president xi very soon. According to the u.S. Treasury

According to the u.S. Treasury secretary. Here's what scott

Secretary. Here's what scott bessent told cbs news on Sunday.

Bessent told cbs news on Sunday. >> what we're trying to do is

>> what we're trying to do is to de-risk. We do not want to

To de-risk. We do not want to decouple, margaret, but we do

Decouple, margaret, but we do need to de-risk, as we saw

Need to de-risk, as we saw during covid, whether it was

During covid, whether it was with semiconductors, medicines,

With semiconductors, medicines, the other products, we are in

The other products, we are in the process of de-risking.

The process of de-risking. >> making the united states less

>> making the united states less reliant on china.

Reliant on china. >> but.

>> but. >> at the same. And the whole

>> at the same. And the whole world, the whole, the whole

World, the whole, the whole world. Because what china is

World. Because what china is doing is they are they are

Doing is they are they are holding back products that are

Holding back products that are essential for the industrial

Essential for the industrial supply chains of india, of

Supply chains of india, of europe. And that is not what a

Europe. And that is not what a reliable partner does.

Reliable partner does. >> china denies it violated the

>> china denies it violated the u.S. Deal, saying it was

U.S. Deal, saying it was strictly implementing the

Strictly implementing the consensus of those trade talks.

Consensus of those trade talks. Beijing accuses the u.S. Of,

Beijing accuses the u.S. Of, quote, provoking new economic

Quote, provoking new economic and trade frictions. Mexico

And trade frictions. Mexico allows voters to elect judges

Allows voters to elect judges for the very first time, but

For the very first time, but Sunday's turnout was very low,

Sunday's turnout was very low, and the vote itself brings its

And the vote itself brings its own controversy. We'

>> pee-wee as himself. Streaming exclusively on max.

Exclusively on max. >> polls are now closed in

>> polls are now closed in mexico after the country held

Mexico after the country held its first ever judicial

Its first ever judicial elections. The vote has been

Elections. The vote has been controversial. Supporters say it

Controversial. Supporters say it will bring democracy to the

Will bring democracy to the courts, but detractors warn it

Courts, but detractors warn it could usher in corruption and

Could usher in corruption and violate the rule of law. Cnn's

Violate the rule of law. Cnn's valeria león explains.

Valeria león explains. >> for the first time, mexicans

>> for the first time, mexicans are voting to elect their

Are voting to elect their country's judges, from the

Country's judges, from the supreme court to the local

Supreme court to the local magistrates. There are over 3000

Magistrates. There are over 3000 candidates vying for almost 900

Candidates vying for almost 900 positions, but with candidates

Positions, but with candidates restricted from using public or

Restricted from using public or private funding for their

Private funding for their campaigns, they have been forced

Campaigns, they have been forced to use their own money. And as a

To use their own money. And as a result, we've seen very limited

Result, we've seen very limited information about the candidates

Information about the candidates profiled. Voters have to spend

Profiled. Voters have to spend up to ten minutes to learn about

Up to ten minutes to learn about the candidates proposals, ideas

The candidates proposals, ideas or even profiles. And this is

Or even profiles. And this is one of the reasons we've seen

One of the reasons we've seen very low turnout at this ballot

Very low turnout at this ballot box today. Also, electoral

Box today. Also, electoral authorities have said that just

Authorities have said that just 20% of the voters are expected

20% of the voters are expected to cast their ballots today.

To cast their ballots today. Also, authorities have said that

Also, authorities have said that one of the reasons is because

One of the reasons is because the voters have very little

The voters have very little knowledge about the candidates.

Knowledge about the candidates. This is what one of the

This is what one of the electoral authorities told me.

Electoral authorities told me. >> it has been difficult to

>> it has been difficult to explain how.

Explain how. >> people have to vote.

>> people have to vote. >> the officials need to know

>> the officials need to know how people are going to vote,

How people are going to vote, because they're the ones who

Because they're the ones who will be asked. That has been the

Will be asked. That has been the most complex part. The number of

Most complex part. The number of candidates there are, and making

Candidates there are, and making sure people know who they are.

Sure people know who they are. >> this election is a result of

>> this election is a result of a 2024 constitutional reform

A 2024 constitutional reform launched by former president

Launched by former president andres manuel lopez obrador, who

Andres manuel lopez obrador, who with his party morena, holding

With his party morena, holding the majority in congress,

The majority in congress, claimed that this reform was

Claimed that this reform was necessary to root out corrupt

Necessary to root out corrupt judges. But the rules and also

Judges. But the rules and also the online campaign have fueled

The online campaign have fueled criticism from the opposition,

Criticism from the opposition, aiming that this election is

Aiming that this election is limiting the independence for

Limiting the independence for the judiciary and also the

The judiciary and also the vetting process of the

Vetting process of the candidates. Very poor to elect

Candidates. Very poor to elect candidates with little

Candidates with little experience on the bench, and

Experience on the bench, and also candidates who have

Also candidates who have criminal records. The results

Criminal records. The results will be known on June 15th, but

Will be known on June 15th, but the results of the nine

The results of the nine ministers from the supreme court

Ministers from the supreme court will be announced this Tuesday.

Will be announced this Tuesday. Valeria león cnn mexico city.

Valeria león cnn mexico city. >> thank you for joining me this

>> thank you for joining me this hour. I'm brian abel. I'll be

Hour. I'm brian abel. I'll be back with you in just a moment.

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