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Tell them on television. 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,040 Questions in the public mind answered by people in the public eye. 3 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:23,960 Good evening. 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:25,640 A few minutes ago, the Prime Minister 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,240 the Right Honorable Harold Macmillan, came to Television House 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,400 and he's here now in the ITN studio. 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,560 But why should the public, on this issue 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,360 as regards the future of the Royal Navy 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,720 believe you, a transient, uh... 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,440 here today, and if I may say so, gone-tomorrow politician 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,720 rather than a senior officer of many years' service? 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,320 I'm sorry, I'm fed up with this interview. 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,560 It's ridiculous, really. 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,640 Well, thank you, Mr. Nott. 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:52,760 It's quite straight, yes or no... 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,480 Give me a straight question and I'll give you an answer. 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,880 It may be the question, but it's not the way I choose to answer it. 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,440 The Prime Minister has just arrived 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,280 in the last few seconds. 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,480 Morning, Prime Minister. Would you come on 21 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,360 Good Morning Britain, Prime Minister? 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,840 Oh, for f**k's sake. 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,560 Morning-morning, Brian. How are we? 24 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,000 Fine, thank you, Pam. Good morning. 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,400 Sleepless night, was it? Better use my thick brush, eh? 26 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,680 I've always quite liked her. 27 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,640 Well, how sort of single-minded she is anyway. 28 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:46,760 I can't remember. 29 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,320 Have you interviewed her before? 30 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,520 Oh, yes. Many times over the years. 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,120 Brian. 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,720 She'll have seen this too, of course. 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,320 She'll come out fighting now. 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,400 Don't you think? 35 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:05,640 Brian. 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,800 What have you decided? The, uh... strategy. 37 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:16,920 What are you going to do? 38 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,800 Look, bad timing, that's all. 39 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,280 It's a full 45 minutes, remember? 40 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,280 He's your favorite for a reason, and he's a friend. 41 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,560 Be a walk in the park. 42 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,760 Just this way, please, Prime Minister. 43 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,360 Margaret, how are you? 44 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,200 Well, Brian. Always well. 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,960 Now, I expect you'll be starting off with you-know-who, and you-know-what. 46 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:04,920 Hello. Good morning. 47 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,240 But I do hope we can then move on to something of more substance. 48 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,440 Like we usually do. 49 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,800 He seems, uh... dare I say it, nervous. 50 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,680 And he's never nervous. It's making me nervous. 51 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,480 Can you stop saying nervous? 52 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,200 Five, four, three, two... 53 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,080 Good afternoon. 54 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,160 Nigel Lawson's shock resignation 55 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,800 has plunged the Prime Minister into the most serious 56 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,000 political crisis of her career. 57 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:46,560 Prime Minister. 58 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Many people, including many of your supporters 59 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,480 blame you for the resignation. 60 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Now, how you respond to these claims 61 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,640 may be of crucial significance for you personally 62 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,160 and for your government. 63 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,360 And so I put it to you 64 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,040 are you to blame? 65 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,320 I put this to our Chancellor. 66 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,400 There's no reason he has to answer it. 67 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,480 I'm not that important. 68 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,440 But I'm afraid I cannot vote with my own government on this order. 69 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,640 - I regret it, but I cannot do so. - Hear, hear... 70 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,640 These are old solutions... 71 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,880 for an increasingly tired country 72 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,480 desperate to feel new and young again. 73 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,480 Many of my honorable friends whose conscience and experience 74 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,600 are not less than mine and in many cases are greater 75 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,000 will vote for the government. 76 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,280 Uh, I respect their decision as they will respect mine. 77 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,720 Could he be our man? 78 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,920 My judgment is that we are at the end of our tether. 79 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Hear, hear. 80 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,760 Member for Dover. 81 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:07,480 My honorable friend makes some exceptional points. 82 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,080 and I believe has captured the despair of this nation. 83 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,160 Hear, hear. 84 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,480 Where are the answers in this government's proposals 85 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,360 to the challenges we face? Nowhere. 86 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,040 Inflation? Nowhere. 87 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,440 Stagnation? Nowhere. 88 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,880 Unemployment? Nowhere. 89 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,680 Hear, hear. 90 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,800 - Brian Walden for David Cox. - Oh, yes. Ninth floor. 91 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:52,840 Well, what can I say? London Weekend Television. 92 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,080 Three of the most glamorous things there are. 93 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,400 But, uh, if we do, uh... 94 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,320 collectively decide to give this a go 95 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,680 I'd have to stand down. 96 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,680 Uh... as an MP with a regular spot on television, that would be... 97 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,320 - I mean, wouldn't that be-- - Unethical? Yes. 98 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,680 And how would that, you know, be giving that all up? 99 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,240 Well... it's no secret. 100 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,240 I'm no fan of the direction the Labour Party is heading. 101 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,960 They're completely at the mercy of the unions, all these... 102 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,360 North London Marxist types. 103 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,440 Not the broader tradition I came from. 104 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,240 Yeah. In fact, to be honest... 105 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,520 I don't think I should ever have been an MP at all. 106 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,200 Working-class lad at Oxford. I was flattered into it. 107 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,560 You realize pretty quickly 108 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,320 just how little impact as an individual you can have. 109 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,920 Weekend World is a unique show at LWT. 110 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,840 They pretty much leave us alone to do what we do. 111 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,120 And uh, what is it you think you do, my old son? 112 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:49,720 A long-form forensic interview to help facilitate mass comprehension. 113 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,640 Mass comprehension? My, oh my. 114 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,160 In other words, helping folk understand what the hell is going on? 115 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,120 When we came on-air years ago 116 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,120 we were and still are the only political program 117 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,840 to put a single interviewee through their paces for an entire show. 118 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,040 And we do that on the same channel 119 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,040 and in between repeats of Upstairs, Downstairs 120 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,400 and wrestlers knocking ten bells of shit out of one another 121 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:11,640 for Weekend Sport. 122 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,920 Because we believe the political interview ought to play a part 123 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,240 in a popular audience's understanding of the world they live in. 124 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,720 Very good. Nicely pitched. 125 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,120 And as regards you and... current affairs. 126 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,120 No affairs currently. 127 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,160 I'm very faithful to my wife at present. 128 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:31,960 Why? What have you heard? 129 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,640 This is, uh, your third wife. 130 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,520 But you know... 131 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,960 some gobby bloke with a common-as-muck Midlands accent? 132 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,400 When you think of the news, how it sounds doesn't sound like me. 133 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,600 No. Tsk. But... 134 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,680 you... sound like our audience. 135 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,400 Well, I suppose when you think about it. 136 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,120 Shakespeare, the great vendor of the English language. 137 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,480 He was a Brummie, wasn't he? 138 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,960 In fact, he probably said those lines just like this. 139 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,800 Hmm. What? "Romeo, Romeo." 140 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,200 "Wherefore art thou, Romeo?" 141 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,800 I'll see you round, gentlemen. 142 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,800 So, Brian, this is, uh, the rest of the production team. 143 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,320 Hello. Hello. 144 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,520 You look young. What's your story? 145 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,600 Oh, yeah. 146 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,480 I did a stint at BBC Birmingham, actually. Your neck of the... 147 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,200 They have this South Asian programing unit there now. 148 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,040 Wonderful. Don't tell me you're a West Bromwich Albion fan. 149 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,480 No, wait. Hold the line. Uh... 150 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,320 Seventh this year in the First Division. 151 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,600 Before that... 152 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,080 third in the second. And then sixth and then eighth. 153 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,920 Photographic memory. Test on me anything, Sue. 154 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,080 Anything. What's... what's your passion? 155 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:43,400 Barry Manilow and meetings starting on time. 156 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:48,880 You're skeptical, John. 157 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,640 Hmm. It's my job to be skeptical of politicians. 158 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,840 And here we are, inviting one into our team. 159 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,600 Well, they told us to shake things up. 160 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,440 He was thought of as a future party leader once. 161 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,320 You don't think it'll be lightweight? 162 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,040 Politicians always, at some level, just want to be liked. 163 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,920 If I've learned one thing, is that a show like this... 164 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,240 you're only ever one ratings dip, one whiff of an audience 165 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,840 losing interest before... 166 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:13,600 well... 167 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,280 He's got something. We take the risk. 168 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,480 Your first guest should be someone quite, uh... 169 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,560 loud, drawing some press. A political titan. 170 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,920 Maybe Roy Jenkins, Denis Healey, Airey Neave, even Ted Heath. 171 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,200 Already done him. Done him twice. 172 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:33,800 Won't do it, and... 173 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,440 Oh my Christ, do you want people to fall asleep? 174 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,560 I have a suggestion, actually. 175 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,440 - That's a blank piece of paper. - It is. 176 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,640 I was hoping for a dramatic reveal. Stand corrected. 177 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,320 Right. Here we go. 178 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:51,680 Margaret Thatcher? 179 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,320 Yes. Interview the leader of the opposition 180 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,520 while she's still... relatively green. 181 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,160 Her other interviews haven't been hugely illuminating. 182 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,760 To me, she trots out other people's philosophies. 183 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,960 Keith Joseph, monetarism, libertarianism. 184 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,720 But I'm not sure there's much going on there apart from her... 185 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:12,760 Uh, being... 186 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,440 Oh, right. The only thing going for her 187 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,640 - is that she's a woman. - No, no, I... 188 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,600 Although that is interesting 189 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,320 I think people are missing something. 190 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,360 Uh, she was pretty ruthless in deposing her predecessor. 191 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,520 So why? What does she want? 192 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,040 What is this change she's hoping to bring? 193 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:33,880 Isn't that worth finding out? 194 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,920 I... I think there's a bigger agenda. 195 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,480 I think that's... I don't think 196 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:45,760 that's the right territory to go down. 197 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:47,520 All thoughts are welcome. 198 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:48,920 - Your policies... - Hmm. 199 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,200 Then we're not just saying she's in favor of... 200 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,200 Well, either way, we can capitalize off 201 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,600 the key questions it gets on. 202 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,200 Margaret Thatcher. 203 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,440 Uh, since you became leader of your party... 204 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,720 - Yeah. - You have broken the tradition 205 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,000 insofar as you no longer seek the conciliatory consensus 206 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,480 that your predecessors sought. 207 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:09,760 In other words, you are on course... 208 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:37,720 Brian. 209 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:41,720 Or should that be Mr. Walden? Forgive me. 210 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,200 Mrs. Thatcher. 211 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,360 I'd heard rumors that you were thinking of crossing the floor to us 212 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,720 once upon a time. 213 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,080 But now you've gone further. You've crossed the river... 214 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,520 ...instead. 215 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,000 Yes. Well, it's all... it's all very new. 216 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,400 Well, it still is to me too, so... 217 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,600 you are new and I am new. 218 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,000 Excuse me, Mr. Walden and Mrs. Thatcher. 219 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,360 Let's come this way, please. 220 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,520 Mr. Walden. 221 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,360 - Where do you want me? - Mrs. Thatcher, just across there. 222 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,680 Okay, we're going for tight on camera one, please. 223 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,200 On one. 224 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,720 Yeah, a tiny bit tighter. Yeah. That's good, that's good. 225 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,920 Camera three, wide as well. 226 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,200 Okay. Brian, can you hear me? 227 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,640 God, that's loud! Will you be doing that the whole time? 228 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,920 Sir, you'll be all the way over there? 229 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,840 Oh, yes. No, um... 230 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,480 It's just a sort of a funky idea that they're trying out for the opening. 231 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:29,080 On camera, it'll look as if we're facing each other 232 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,400 but in different aspects. 233 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,240 So if you face and I face, then... 234 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,600 - You see, on the monitor? - Oh, yes. 235 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:41,840 Recording beginning in five, four, three, two, one. 236 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,040 Roll credits. 237 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:04,880 Hello and good morning. 238 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,440 One of the most urgent questions to which everyone wants an answer is 239 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,640 if we vote Margaret Thatcher into Number Ten at the next election 240 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,120 will we be voting for a disastrous and futile confrontation 241 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:17,960 between the government and the unions? 242 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,400 Today, on Weekend World, we will try and answer that question. 243 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,000 First, though, the news headlines with Gordon Honeycombe. 244 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,160 There's more conjecture about Middle East peace moves 245 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,240 after the unexpected return to Israel last night from Paris 246 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,760 of the Israeli Foreign Secretary, Mr. Dayan 247 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,800 and the Egyptian foreign minister, Mr. Fahmy has left Cairo for France. 248 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,840 He's also on his way to America 249 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,320 with Egyptian proposals for a Middle East settlement. 250 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,480 More than 40 firebombs... 251 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,520 All right. Main interview. Good luck. Brian. 252 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:52,520 In speeches up and down the country 253 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,080 Mrs. Thatcher has often startled her audiences. 254 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,360 Instead of the reassurance we've come to expect from Conservative leaders 255 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,880 Mrs. Thatcher conveyed a sense of imminent danger. 256 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:04,560 There's a reason Mrs. Thatcher sounds more militant 257 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,080 than other postwar leaders. 258 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:09,280 They've avoided identifying the party too closely 259 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,880 with any particular doctrine because they've been afraid 260 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,720 that ideology costs votes. 261 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,960 Today, we're not going to consider whether those 262 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,600 policies are in themselves good or bad for Britain 263 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:21,360 but instead try to work out whether she would overcome 264 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,240 the opposition she's bound to run into. 265 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,760 So we've indulged in a little crystal-ball gazing 266 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,040 with our own scenario of what could happen 267 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:30,960 if she got into Number Ten. 268 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,000 Margaret Thatcher comes to power 269 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,320 after a close-run general election. 270 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,080 Immediately, Mrs. Thatcher cuts taxes 271 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,400 and announces large reductions in public spending. 272 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,720 A national ballot of miners comes out overwhelmingly 273 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,600 in favor of strike action. 274 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,800 So here we are. Two Midlanders, east and west. 275 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:52,920 Oh, yes. 276 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,640 And you went to Oxford, too. 277 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,320 - On a scholarship. - Me too. 278 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,400 Wouldn't have been able to go otherwise. 279 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:59,640 No, no. Of course. 280 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,960 Although it did come with an awful lot of hard work, of course. 281 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,760 Oh, yes, that was drilled into me. 282 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,200 - Hard work, just rewards. - Five, four, three, two... 283 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,640 So what would Mrs. Thatcher do if it came to the crunch? 284 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,680 Thank you for joining us, Mrs. Thatcher. 285 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,000 Do you see yourself as we see you 286 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,680 as a figure who wants to substantially change 287 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,600 a lot of things in our society, who wants to... 288 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,320 roll back to a more individualistic sort of society? 289 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,320 I think government has got into far too many areas 290 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,240 and government really has tried 291 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,760 to stop a good deal of individual liberty. 292 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,440 Now I want to roll back those areas of decision 293 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,640 both from people and businesses. 294 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,360 That's not government's job. 295 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:50,480 - Well... - One moment. 296 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,760 I want to be absolutely clear. 297 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,640 You see, the whole difference between our society 298 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,000 and that of the United States and Germany 299 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,320 is that they've grown because they've got incentives. 300 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,320 The incentives we haven't had. 301 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,080 And I'm going to say, people 302 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,480 will respond to those incentives 303 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,520 and a socialist government cannot give those incentives 304 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,840 because all of its philosophy, all of its ideas... 305 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,080 Brian, do you challenge her? She's an ideologue, a radical! 306 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,680 But governments spend better when leaving the money with people. 307 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,640 And that is why they're coming to us and not to them. 308 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,320 Uh... well, it's a vision 309 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,800 but governments aren't conducted on visions. 310 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,240 Oh, no... no. It's a reality. 311 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:42,600 I enjoyed that. 312 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,640 I don't know why some people fear this whole, you know, the medium. 313 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,480 I see these conversations as opportunities. 314 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,840 Well, then we should do it again sometime. 315 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,080 Uh, I think you're that way, we're this. 316 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,160 Right, well... 317 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:56,960 - goodbye, then. - Goodbye. 318 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:58,760 Bye. 319 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,920 Uh-oh. David's not saying anything. Come, dear leader. 320 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,080 Oh, great Strategos. 321 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,920 - What mighty thoughts? - You went too easy on her. 322 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,040 You gave her all that space to postulate. 323 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:17,320 Don't our audience want to hear her postulate? 324 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,080 The function of a political interview 325 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,160 - isn't to provide a platform... - So they can-- 326 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,440 - ... for the politicians. - So they make a judgment 327 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,840 - about her. - It's to break apart their platform. 328 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,320 Interesting one, isn't he, Bernard? 329 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,760 Labour man, of course, but... 330 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,640 Well, with his background like mine... 331 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,480 you take the Labour Party like your mother's milk. 332 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,200 One of those aspirational working classes we have to win over. 333 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,840 She was good. Answers the question. 334 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,760 Full of substance... full to bursting. 335 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,280 I've practically got indigestion. 336 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:47,720 Well, I'm sorry, but I thought it was a disaster. 337 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,920 Well, he's a journalist at the end of the day. 338 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,160 Out for himself. They all are. 339 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,720 Yes, these people must always be kept at arm's length. 340 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,560 So we should be seeing Mrs. Thatcher next 341 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,640 among jubilant party workers. 342 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:09,400 Mrs. Thatcher comes out dressed in the most brilliant blue. 343 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,400 Mrs. Thatcher, are you cautiously optimistic? 344 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:12,960 We're reserving judgment 345 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,840 but yes, optimistic based on the polls. 346 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,120 Will it be a landslide, Mrs. Thatcher? 347 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,400 Too early to tell... 348 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,400 Well, if ever anyone looked like a winner 349 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,440 Mrs. Thatcher looks like a winner this evening 350 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,480 as she goes off to Finchley. 351 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,120 Good luck, Maggie! 352 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,640 She must know now that she is safely home and dry. 353 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,320 Good luck, Maggie! 354 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:46,960 It's never happened before. 355 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,560 There's never been a woman Prime Minister of Britain 356 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,400 or of any other Western country. 357 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,440 That's what we're going to see this afternoon 358 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,960 and it'll be symbolized on the steps of Number Ten. 359 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,360 And that's what this crowd here is waiting for too. 360 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:19,920 - Oh, Brian. - Prime Minister. 361 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,240 Thank you for coming to see us here. 362 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,520 There's so many of you to get through, I just needed to... 363 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,160 Not at all. Happy to be one of the chosen. 364 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,520 Um, cutaway first? 365 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,360 Uh, yes, a quick intro and... 366 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,160 Presumably a two-shot before moving to the... 367 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,640 Yes. Right. 368 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,200 Bernard, should that go? That ornament thing. 369 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,480 It looks as if it's sticking out of my head. 370 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,680 Don't want people to think I've been impaled. 371 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,880 Avoid saying this... and this. 372 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:55,840 Yes. 373 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,480 Right. 374 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,200 Ready. 375 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,280 Britain enters the '80s with the most radical leadership in a generation. 376 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,040 Margaret Thatcher insists economic prosperity must return to Britain 377 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:18,040 and has made it clear she intends to do whatever is necessary 378 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:19,240 to make her plan work. 379 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,120 Prime Minister, uh, it won't surprise you 380 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,800 I don't suppose it surprises anybody, that your political opponents think 381 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,520 your economic strategy will fail. 382 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,840 Well, theirs failed. 383 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:29,920 - And so we have to do-- - Well, we don't have time 384 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,160 - to go into that now. - something very different. 385 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,520 No, wait a minute. It's part of what you might call 386 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,080 the Thatcher experiment. 387 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,600 Well, what interests me more is that they think 388 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,320 even if against their expectations, you were to succeed economically 389 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,000 you would still have created a society which is more unequal 390 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,080 riddled with avoidable injustices. 391 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:52,480 Now, is the price of our economic recovery and prosperity 392 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,120 greater inequality in our country? 393 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,480 Indeed, yes. 394 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,600 One of the problems, of course, there are differentials 395 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,200 for extra effort, extra skill. 396 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,680 You will get a more thriving society when people can rise 397 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,600 to the limit of their talents. 398 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,120 For example, I don't expect to be paid as much as you are, Mr. Walden. 399 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,200 Well, um... 400 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,160 but it... it does mean more inequality, does it not? 401 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,080 It does mean more. Indeed, yes. 402 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,960 She actually answers the bloody question. 403 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,040 I find that refreshing. 404 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,840 Yes, but you risk coming across to the whole world 405 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,280 as though you're becoming most enamored. 406 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:37,480 It's not enamored. 407 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:39,840 It... Look, she... 408 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,600 has a mission. 409 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,280 Agree with it or disagree with it, she wants to get something done. 410 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:45,720 And I want to understand it. 411 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,200 Look, I get it. It... it's just... 412 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,440 it's your style, and it's a valid one, opening them up. 413 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,960 I just wish with her you'd be a bit harder because she is hard. 414 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,360 Listen, Brian. Look, I'm sorry, but at some point 415 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,520 you're gonna have to let go of the politician that wants to be liked 416 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,000 and embrace the journalist who can prosecute. 417 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,880 Those red lines between the two, they exist for a reason. 418 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,880 Well, then help me. 419 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:09,240 You say you want to educate the masses. 420 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,440 Start with me, Coxy. 421 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,080 I can learn anything. 422 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,960 Teach me the ways of the great political interviewer 423 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,400 and I'll learn them. Okay? 424 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,960 So we start with a mind map. 425 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,600 The plan, a map of potential answers to each question 426 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,720 that we can war-game so that you can prepare in advance where you go next. 427 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,800 Which I can memorize. 428 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,520 Trust me. Preparation, I can do. Preparation, I love. 429 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:43,320 "Minister, are you going to perform a U-turn on your manifesto pledge?" 430 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,000 If he says yes, move to 4-C. No, to 8-B. 431 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,720 No, I will not be U-turning. 432 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,520 Well then. Are you aware of the cost of continuing down this road 433 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,800 and what it's going to be? 434 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,920 Pointy heads. Current affairs wonks. 435 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,200 I'd stay clear. 436 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,440 If they say yes, they will increase taxes. 437 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,360 Turn right to this question. 438 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,160 If they say no, they will not turn left to a different question. 439 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,360 Mr. Nott, if you could not in fact bring public borrowing 440 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,680 under control by any other means 441 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,120 then you would have to increase taxes in order to do so. 442 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,080 Most certainly. Most certainly. 443 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,240 Uh, what we are committed... 444 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,080 For the Labour Party. I have a very deep... 445 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,680 umbilical tie. 446 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,440 It would be as painful for me to break away from it 447 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,240 as it would be to break away from a family. 448 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,800 But you might. And it's the might that interests me. 449 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,560 Geoffrey. 450 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,320 Are you ready for tomorrow's budget, Chancellor? 451 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,480 Of course, Margaret. 452 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,320 And Nigel. 453 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,040 - Nice and smart. - Hmm. 454 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:58,880 Congrats. Nigel. Energy on the way up. 455 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,760 Cheers. Yes, lots to do. 456 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,520 Exactly. Energy, that's what we need. 457 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,840 Come and sit down. 458 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,360 I want you right here, Geoffrey, on my right as chancellor. 459 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,520 Then, Nigel. 460 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,880 Uh, are you being any use? 461 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,160 - Doing my-- - Do something. 462 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,520 Um, Michael... you're a bit tall. 463 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,600 Would you please stand in the back row? 464 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,480 Anyone else who's very tall? 465 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,080 Ah, just one moment. 466 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,280 Forgive me, Margaret, I... 467 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,520 thought I'd just run through these... projections that are coming in. 468 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,640 Who the devil's that? 469 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,680 Oh, isn't it her new economic adviser, um... 470 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,000 - Adam, Alan... - Alan Walters. 471 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,320 Mad professor. 472 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,480 Has the PM's ear, but it won't last. 473 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,560 Best to avoid him at all costs. 474 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,600 Just bear with us. 475 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,560 Right. Are we all ready... 476 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,000 to face the lens of history? 477 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,680 Yes. Over to you. 478 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,960 Everyone look at me, please. 479 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,040 Pennies don't come from heaven, Brian. 480 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,400 They have to be earned here on earth. 481 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,800 And there are plenty out there to be earned. 482 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,440 If we do all the right things, you know... 483 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,920 keep public spending under control, keep public borrowing down... 484 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,800 then the boat will come in. 485 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,960 Well, um, that answer, um... 486 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,600 provokes me to ask you a question. 487 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,040 I'd hoped that wasn't being provocative. 488 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:10,560 No, no, I don't mean in that sense. I meant that it was stimulative. 489 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,600 And it stimulates me to ask you a question. 490 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,560 When you talk about your values 491 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,920 uh, those values have a resonance in our past. 492 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,600 What I would call Victorian values. Now, is that correct? 493 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,960 Yes, exactly. Very much so. 494 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,320 Those were the values when our country became great. 495 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,440 Yes, Victorian values. I'm quite pleased with that. 496 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,080 I know, but you heard her. She's going to start using that now. 497 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,440 A line you fed her. 498 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,880 Isn't this exactly the kind of thing David-- 499 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,000 Yes, but we're helping define the news for our audience 500 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,160 not just report it, all right? 501 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,760 Look, I've got to file my column. 502 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,000 - Okay, I'll head back inside. - Okay. 503 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,480 Um, well done tonight. Chin-chin. Bravo. See you tomorrow. 504 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,600 You don't fancy a drink, do you? 505 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:53,920 Uh... Oh. 506 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,000 Well, um... Actually, I... 507 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,480 I probably best not get a slapped wrist and... 508 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,000 uh, but um, cheers anyway. 509 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,920 No, I was never a socialist. 510 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,200 Come on, admit it. 511 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,360 No, uh... honestly. 512 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,200 Honestly, this is the thing that the people on the left... 513 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,240 Well, the further left have never understood 514 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,280 about actual working people. We don't want handouts. 515 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,520 My dad didn't. We value hard work. 516 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:18,720 I've always been more of a meritocrat. 517 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,240 Yes, a meritocracy. Exactly. 518 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,520 And you and I are very good examples of that. 519 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,800 We've got to the very top of our profession 520 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,320 against all the odds. 521 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,680 Look at us. 522 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:31,760 To us! 523 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,760 Um, just to say. 524 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,120 Uh, we can keep this between... 525 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,600 Oh, full confidentiality. 526 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,440 Like a doctor or a priest. 527 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,520 Yeah. 528 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,680 I remember something you said in the Commons, um... 529 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,440 Of course I didn't know you from Adam back then, but I... 530 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,400 I made a mental note of it. 531 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,640 Oh, really? What was it that I said? 532 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,240 You were talking about... You used this phrase, um... 533 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,200 "the furtherance of remarkable people." 534 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,400 And uh, I like that. 535 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,640 The aspiration of it. Didn't matter where you were from, man or woman. 536 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,080 Yes, exactly. 537 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,560 You see, there are so many, well, men... 538 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,040 Denis and I have to tolerate them. We have to entertain them here. 539 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,040 And they didn't earn their place. 540 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,920 They just knew someone who knew someone. 541 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,360 And they bluff and they blag their way through 542 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,720 and they have unlimited chances! 543 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,200 But me... 544 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,960 if I don't spend hours and hours preparing every detail... 545 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,760 Me too. I'm exactly the same. 546 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,360 - Exactly the same. - Yeah. 547 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,200 You see, you never do shake it off, do you? 548 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,200 That feeling one has of being... 549 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,920 an outsider. 550 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,120 I think that's why I, um... 551 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,920 I've always been nervous... uh, of... 552 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,440 I don't know, the mob. 553 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,200 Yeah... The unions, even. 554 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,080 My father was a glassblower and very hard working. 555 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160 Frequently out of work because of the closed shop. 556 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,200 They wouldn't accept him, wouldn't let him in. 557 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,520 Uh, I never knew why. 558 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,240 And your mother? 559 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,840 She passed away when I was, uh, 12. 560 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,440 Oh. I'm sorry. 561 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,080 She was the stronger one. Uh... 562 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,600 Maybe too strong, some thought. 563 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,480 Uh, she was a bookbinder. 564 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,200 My God, the uh... the luck of that. 565 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920 That's the only reason there were books in the house. 566 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,720 And she never read them, of course. 567 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,880 But for me... 568 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,840 being on my own a lot, uh... 569 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,600 never really being into having friends... 570 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720 um, I was very happy on my own. 571 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,200 Book in my lap, enjoying brave new worlds. 572 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,440 Well, it seems to me you made your own luck, Brian. 573 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,680 I'm very aware, painfully aware... 574 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,840 that one mistake and they will have me out... 575 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:56,960 one day. 576 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,840 Doesn't matter what I do. 577 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,600 Someone will come for me. 578 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,640 I reckon there's no one you won't be able to see off, Margaret. 579 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,080 This country needs Margaret Thatcher. 580 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,520 Someone unafraid to offer a vision. 581 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,960 What can I say? She tickles me. 582 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,040 And I think I understand her. 583 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,480 In years to come, great novels will be written about her. 584 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,440 We want Maggie! We want Maggie! 585 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,080 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Young Conservatives Conference 586 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,760 Mr. Kenny Everett! 587 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,760 Let's bomb Russia! 588 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,560 Let's kick Michael Foot's stick away! 589 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,560 Put your hands together for Jimmy Tarbuck and Steve Davis. 590 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,920 We want Maggie! We want Maggie! 591 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,960 We want Maggie! We want Maggie! 592 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,480 Ronnie, you're here. 593 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,840 All hail the speechwriter. Did you see the rally at Wembley? 594 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,400 - I did. - Oh, they were going wild. 595 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,200 Almost hysterical, some of them. 596 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,480 - Oh. - Is hysteria a thing to be 597 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,360 courted and celebrated? 598 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,240 All feels a bit American. 599 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,200 Ronnie, it's only that it proves what a draw she is amongst the young. 600 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,960 You wanted me to take another run at the text for Wednesday? 601 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,040 Yes. 602 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,520 It's the last party broadcast before the election day. 603 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,440 And I think... we think 604 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,440 following on from what we've just seen... 605 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,720 - right, Ian? - Yes. Yeah. 606 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,680 Cap... capturing, harnessing the mood. 607 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,240 You know, the energy. It's real, it's there, so... 608 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,120 Well, I... I was going for mood. 609 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,080 A sort of thoughtful mood piece. 610 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,960 No! That's what we want changed. 611 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,480 Hammer home our achievements. Bang... bang! 612 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,040 And what we've still got left to do. Boom... boom! 613 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,880 The people, they're ready now for some confidence, some ambition 614 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,360 to go further in the fight. 615 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,680 That's what the campaign's been. Bangs and booms. 616 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,360 I thought now... 617 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,680 a little night music. 618 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,480 A little night music? 619 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,200 Ronald, we want them on their feet like they were today! 620 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,280 "Maggie! Maggie!" 621 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,520 Margaret, must everything always be a fight? 622 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,080 Can't it sometimes be... peace and quiet? 623 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,720 Ron's gone wobbly. We'll need another writer. 624 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,480 - What? - Sorry, Ron. 625 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,040 Maybe someone from Saatchis? 626 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,480 No, not an ad man. 627 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,920 We want poetry. 628 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,800 This is about instinct. 629 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,800 Somebody knows what we are and what we need to say, in his gut. 630 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,080 What about Brian? 631 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,680 Brian? 632 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,760 Is that proper? 633 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,920 And he's not a speechwriter. He's a journalist. 634 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,040 And a good one. 635 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,320 Ronnie's a playwright, and a good one. 636 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,400 Thank you, good night. 637 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,760 Good night. Ronnie. 638 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,520 It's just... 639 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,240 I don't know what the protocol... 640 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,920 - and it's nearly midnight. - Call him. Call Brian. 641 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,800 Hello. 642 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,000 Brian, forgive the hour, it's Ian Gow. 643 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,560 You're not around, are you? 644 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,800 Um... 645 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,320 Around for, uh... 646 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,160 for what? And when? 647 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,400 We wanted to... 648 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,800 Well, now, actually. 649 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,920 Final party political broadcast 650 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,560 going out the night before polling day. 651 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,760 And Margaret just wondered about getting your take on it. 652 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,600 She'd just like your brain on it. 653 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,000 Brain of Brian. Brian's brain. 654 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,640 Maybe I should sleep on it. 655 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,320 Or check with some of the... You know, it's okay to... 656 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,080 It's only that we need to get you into a cab, sort of... now-ish. 657 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,920 And maybe best just kept between ourselves. 658 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,720 Less complicated. For you, I mean. 659 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,280 - Brian. - Ah. 660 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,400 Honestly, I can't thank you enough. 661 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,200 Have some coffee. 662 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,280 Thank you. Yes. 663 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,760 Well, I... I saw the clips. Uh, Wembley. 664 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,600 - Jimmy Tarbuck, Kenny Everett. - Mm-hmm. 665 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,160 Even Steve Davis looked excited. 666 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,840 - For Steve Davis. - He stinks of booze. 667 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,880 - He's been drinking. - Oh, for heaven's sake, you. 668 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,040 Go and knit a quilt or something. 669 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,720 Here, coffee. 670 00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,440 Black as the night. 671 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,480 Yes, the rally rather took us by surprise. 672 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,120 Hence why we want to cross the finishing line 673 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,840 a bit more triumphantly, with a bit more punch. 674 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,960 Yes, um... 675 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,120 It's, it's a little... tricky. Uh... 676 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,800 unwritten rules of journalism, you know. Church and state? 677 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,600 No, of course. 678 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,600 Oh, completely. This doesn't have to affect that. 679 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,640 Brian, you're a professional, and I'm a professional. 680 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,040 Absolutely. 681 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,440 You know, there's been some polling done today. 682 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,120 Polling all the time, of course... 683 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,680 but on this policy or that message, but this was specifically on me. 684 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,280 Well, let me guess. The same lazy stereotypes... 685 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,680 "battle ax" sort of stuff. 686 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,080 Strong? Yes. 687 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,760 Capable, just not likable... 688 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,680 apparently. 689 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,960 Well, I mean, that's... That's your public persona. 690 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,760 Uh, in private... 691 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,640 I mean, in private, uh... I... I like you. 692 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,760 Thank you, Brian. 693 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,800 And... and I wasn't fishing. 694 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,160 No, it's just that I know one has to be... 695 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,280 uh... 696 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:31,960 You see, when I first came into this, everyone before me had been so wet. 697 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,360 Wet, and nothing got done. 698 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,280 And I refuse to be that. 699 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,160 No, the moment you stop driving hard, the whole thing comes off the road. 700 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,600 It's just... 701 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,720 oh, I don't know. Maybe I should have shown some... 702 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,280 I don't know, humility or... softness? 703 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,040 No, this country is so bloody lily-livered. 704 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,360 You mustn't bend, Margaret. There's too much to do. 705 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,240 I wouldn't give them an inch. I mean it. 706 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,520 At crucial moments like this, never compromise, never flinch. 707 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,440 And you can forget your naysayers. 708 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,920 You have plenty of people who... 709 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:09,760 believe in you. 710 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,000 And I do like fun. You know, I... 711 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,880 I can... I can tell a joke. 712 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,960 I heard one only the other day. What was it? 713 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,080 Um, there's this man in a hospital, and... 714 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,720 No... no. He goes into a bar 715 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,320 and he's still wearing his gown, and he... 716 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,400 No, no. Well, I'll... I'll remember it. 717 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,040 But thank you, Brian, for your faith. 718 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,160 You were one of the first people to take me seriously 719 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,560 when everyone else dismissed me out of hand. 720 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,560 I'll always be grateful for that. 721 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,160 So shall we get on? 722 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,080 For freedom! 723 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,120 Freedom is the birthright of every citizen. 724 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,160 To preserve and defend that freedom. 725 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,240 To defend it from within and from without. 726 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,520 Amen. 727 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,840 In Britain today, there is no room 728 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,320 for outdated distinctions of class or creed. 729 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,400 It doesn't matter who you are or who your father is 730 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,360 or where you came from. 731 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,200 Hello. 732 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,120 So there's this man who goes into a pub 733 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,720 from the hospital next door. 734 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,000 And he's still wearing his gown 735 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,000 and he's pulling his IV stand along with him. 736 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,720 You know, all that business. 737 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,280 And the landlord looks a bit worried. 738 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,400 He says, "Can I help you?" 739 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,120 And our chap says, "Yes, please. 740 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,240 I'd like two pints of lager 741 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,920 two Guinness, four gin and tonics 742 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,120 and three shots of tequila." 743 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,320 And it's a free world. 744 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,320 So the landlord, you know, he's an entrepreneurial sort. 745 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,720 He gives the man his drinks. 746 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,720 And then the man downs them one by one 747 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,920 ending up with the shots of tequila. 748 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,960 And he turns to the landlord and he says 749 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,200 "Do you know, I really shouldn't have drunk all that with what I've got." 750 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,280 And the landlord says, "Why, what have you got?" 751 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,160 And he says, "About £3.50." 752 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,560 And I will honor that pledge I made you in this unrelenting quest 753 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,840 to break down the old barriers 754 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,840 and build a Britain where it doesn't matter 755 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,040 who your father is or where you come from. 756 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,480 - The certainty of liberty! - Remember this moment. 757 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,640 - And the chance of property... - A sense of... 758 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,800 triumph on their faces. Look at it. 759 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,600 They think they're untouchable now. 760 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,000 A landslide. 761 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,200 The Falklands, all of it. I mean... 762 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,960 What need to be held accountable on camera 763 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,840 subjected to scrutiny anymore? 764 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,280 ...passionately believe... 765 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,760 Well, yes, they are strong now. 766 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,400 Which means we have to be stronger and harder and tougher 767 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,480 in return, on behalf of our viewers. Okay? 768 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,320 Right? 769 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,400 Right. 770 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,520 Mr. Lawson, Prime Minister has asked you to come upstairs. 771 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,440 Yes. Come in. 772 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,920 He's here. 773 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000 Assuming he accepts 774 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,000 I'll get it out in the first editions. 775 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,120 All hunky dory. Still riding high on a wave. 776 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,800 Hunky dory? 777 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,640 What's worrying you? 778 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,400 Have you ever... 779 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,400 in the moment, just given a piece of yourself to somebody? 780 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,720 Perhaps more than you meant to. And then after the fact, you... 781 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,120 No... I don't know. 782 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,120 Who? 783 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,680 No, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. 784 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,440 Show him in. 785 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,000 - Nigel. - Prime Minister. 786 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,160 - Come on in and sit down. - Thanks. 787 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,800 So... 788 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,000 Geoffrey is taking the foreign brief. 789 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,400 I was rather hoping you would take up his mantle as Chancellor. 790 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,800 I would like that very much. It would be a great honor to accept. 791 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,320 Well, there's no time like the present. 792 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,880 I thought it would be good to... get into a routine of having 793 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,760 little... informal chats a couple of times a week. 794 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,040 Because, you know, the relationship between Prime Minister and Chancellor 795 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,960 needs to be very, very close. Don't you agree? 796 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,960 Without question, Prime Minister. 797 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,040 Margaret. 798 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,000 Margaret. 799 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,320 You've proved yourself to be able to get things done. 800 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,280 And this term, it's time. It's time... 801 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,600 to start selling back to the private sector 802 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,720 everything that came under public ownership after the war. 803 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,960 We must let them get out there and thrive with confidence. 804 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,480 - Yes? - Absolutely. 805 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,400 - Let's get on with it. - Right. 806 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,160 And to that end, Nigel... 807 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,320 Were you thinking of having a haircut? 808 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,920 - Haircut? - Yes. Long and unkempt. 809 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,480 - That's the other lot, isn't it? - Of course. Margaret. 810 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,000 Prime Minister? Switchboard have Brian Walden on the phone. 811 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,880 Uh... yes. 812 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,920 Would you pass that onto Bernard, please, instead? 813 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,920 Margaret, how are you? 814 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,080 Well, Brian. Always well. 815 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,880 Okay, all set. 816 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,640 Four, three, two... 817 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,320 What on earth is going on out there? 818 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:57,760 Betrayal. 63658

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