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Tell the people.
Tell them on television.
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Questions in the public mind
answered by people in the public eye.
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Good evening.
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A few minutes ago,
the Prime Minister
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the Right Honorable Harold Macmillan,
came to Television House
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and he's here now in the ITN studio.
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But why should the public,
on this issue
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as regards the future
of the Royal Navy
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believe you, a transient, uh...
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here today, and if I may say so,
gone-tomorrow politician
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rather than a senior officer
of many years' service?
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I'm sorry,
I'm fed up with this interview.
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It's ridiculous, really.
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Well, thank you, Mr. Nott.
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It's quite straight, yes or no...
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Give me a straight question
and I'll give you an answer.
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It may be the question, but it's not
the way I choose to answer it.
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The Prime Minister
has just arrived
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in the last
few seconds.
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Morning, Prime Minister.
Would you come on
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Good Morning Britain,
Prime Minister?
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Oh, for f**k's sake.
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Morning-morning, Brian.
How are we?
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Fine, thank you, Pam.
Good morning.
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Sleepless night, was it?
Better use my thick brush, eh?
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I've always quite liked her.
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Well, how sort of
single-minded she is anyway.
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I can't remember.
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Have you interviewed her before?
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Oh, yes. Many times over the years.
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Brian.
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She'll have seen this too, of course.
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She'll come out fighting now.
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Don't you think?
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Brian.
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What have you decided?
The, uh... strategy.
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What are you going to do?
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Look, bad timing, that's all.
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It's a full 45 minutes, remember?
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He's your favorite for a reason,
and he's a friend.
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Be a walk in the park.
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Just this way,
please, Prime Minister.
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Margaret, how are you?
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Well, Brian. Always well.
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Now, I expect you'll be starting off
with you-know-who, and you-know-what.
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Hello. Good morning.
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But I do hope we can then move on
to something of more substance.
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Like we usually do.
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He seems, uh...
dare I say it, nervous.
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And he's never nervous.
It's making me nervous.
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Can you stop saying nervous?
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Five, four, three, two...
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Good afternoon.
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Nigel Lawson's shock resignation
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has plunged the Prime Minister
into the most serious
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political crisis of her career.
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Prime Minister.
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Many people,
including many of your supporters
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blame you for the resignation.
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Now, how you respond to these claims
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may be of crucial significance
for you personally
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and for your government.
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And so I put it to you
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are you to blame?
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I put this to our Chancellor.
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There's no reason
he has to answer it.
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I'm not that important.
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But I'm afraid I cannot vote
with my own government on this order.
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- I regret it, but I cannot do so.
- Hear, hear...
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These are old solutions...
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for an increasingly tired country
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desperate to feel
new and young again.
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Many of my honorable friends
whose conscience and experience
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are not less than mine
and in many cases are greater
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will vote for the government.
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Uh, I respect their decision
as they will respect mine.
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Could he be our man?
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My judgment is that we are
at the end of our tether.
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Hear, hear.
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Member for Dover.
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My honorable friend
makes some exceptional points.
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and I believe has captured
the despair of this nation.
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Hear, hear.
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Where are the answers
in this government's proposals
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to the challenges we face? Nowhere.
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Inflation? Nowhere.
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Stagnation? Nowhere.
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Unemployment? Nowhere.
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Hear, hear.
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- Brian Walden for David Cox.
- Oh, yes. Ninth floor.
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Well, what can I say?
London Weekend Television.
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Three of the most
glamorous things there are.
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But, uh, if we do, uh...
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collectively decide
to give this a go
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I'd have to stand down.
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Uh... as an MP with a regular spot
on television, that would be...
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- I mean, wouldn't that be--
- Unethical? Yes.
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And how would that, you know,
be giving that all up?
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Well... it's no secret.
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I'm no fan of the direction
the Labour Party is heading.
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They're completely at the mercy
of the unions, all these...
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North London Marxist types.
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Not the broader tradition
I came from.
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Yeah. In fact, to be honest...
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I don't think
I should ever have been an MP at all.
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Working-class lad at Oxford.
I was flattered into it.
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You realize pretty quickly
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just how little impact
as an individual you can have.
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Weekend World
is a unique show at LWT.
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They pretty much leave us alone
to do what we do.
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And uh, what is it you think you do,
my old son?
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A long-form forensic interview to
help facilitate mass comprehension.
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Mass comprehension? My, oh my.
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In other words, helping folk
understand what the hell is going on?
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When we came on-air years ago
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we were and still are
the only political program
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to put a single interviewee through
their paces for an entire show.
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And we do that on the same channel
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and in between repeats
of Upstairs, Downstairs
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and wrestlers knocking ten bells
of shit out of one another
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for Weekend Sport.
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Because we believe the political
interview ought to play a part
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in a popular audience's understanding
of the world they live in.
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Very good. Nicely pitched.
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And as regards you and...
current affairs.
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No affairs currently.
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I'm very faithful to my wife
at present.
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Why? What have you heard?
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This is, uh, your third wife.
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But you know...
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some gobby bloke with
a common-as-muck Midlands accent?
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When you think of the news,
how it sounds doesn't sound like me.
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No. Tsk. But...
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you... sound like our audience.
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Well, I suppose
when you think about it.
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Shakespeare, the great vendor
of the English language.
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He was a Brummie, wasn't he?
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In fact, he probably said
those lines just like this.
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Hmm. What? "Romeo, Romeo."
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"Wherefore art thou, Romeo?"
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I'll see you round, gentlemen.
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So, Brian, this is, uh,
the rest of the production team.
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Hello. Hello.
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You look young. What's your story?
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Oh, yeah.
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I did a stint at BBC Birmingham,
actually. Your neck of the...
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They have this South Asian
programing unit there now.
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Wonderful. Don't tell me
you're a West Bromwich Albion fan.
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No, wait. Hold the line. Uh...
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Seventh this year
in the First Division.
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Before that...
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third in the second.
And then sixth and then eighth.
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Photographic memory.
Test on me anything, Sue.
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Anything.
What's... what's your passion?
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Barry Manilow
and meetings starting on time.
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You're skeptical, John.
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Hmm. It's my job
to be skeptical of politicians.
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And here we are,
inviting one into our team.
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Well, they told us
to shake things up.
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He was thought of
as a future party leader once.
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You don't think it'll be lightweight?
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Politicians always, at some level,
just want to be liked.
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If I've learned one thing,
is that a show like this...
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you're only ever one ratings dip,
one whiff of an audience
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losing interest before...
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well...
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He's got something. We take the risk.
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Your first guest
should be someone quite, uh...
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loud, drawing some press.
A political titan.
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Maybe Roy Jenkins, Denis Healey,
Airey Neave, even Ted Heath.
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Already done him. Done him twice.
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Won't do it, and...
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Oh my Christ,
do you want people to fall asleep?
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I have a suggestion, actually.
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- That's a blank piece of paper.
- It is.
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I was hoping for a dramatic reveal.
Stand corrected.
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Right. Here we go.
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Margaret Thatcher?
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Yes. Interview the leader
of the opposition
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while she's still...
relatively green.
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Her other interviews
haven't been hugely illuminating.
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To me, she trots out
other people's philosophies.
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Keith Joseph, monetarism, libertarianism.
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But I'm not sure there's much
going on there apart from her...
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Uh, being...
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Oh, right.
The only thing going for her
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- is that she's a woman.
- No, no, I...
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Although that is interesting
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I think people are missing something.
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Uh, she was pretty ruthless
in deposing her predecessor.
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So why? What does she want?
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What is this change
she's hoping to bring?
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Isn't that worth finding out?
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I... I think there's a bigger agenda.
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I think that's... I don't think
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that's the right territory
to go down.
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All thoughts are welcome.
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- Your policies...
- Hmm.
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Then we're not just saying
she's in favor of...
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Well, either way,
we can capitalize off
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the key questions it gets on.
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Margaret Thatcher.
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Uh, since you became
leader of your party...
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- Yeah.
- You have broken the tradition
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insofar as you no longer seek
the conciliatory consensus
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that your predecessors sought.
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In other words, you are on course...
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Brian.
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Or should that be Mr. Walden?
Forgive me.
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Mrs. Thatcher.
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I'd heard rumors that you were
thinking of crossing the floor to us
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once upon a time.
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But now you've gone further.
You've crossed the river...
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...instead.
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Yes. Well, it's all...
it's all very new.
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Well, it still is to me too, so...
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you are new and I am new.
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Excuse me,
Mr. Walden and Mrs. Thatcher.
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Let's come this way, please.
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Mr. Walden.
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- Where do you want me?
- Mrs. Thatcher, just across there.
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Okay, we're going
for tight on camera one, please.
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On one.
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Yeah, a tiny bit tighter.
Yeah. That's good, that's good.
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Camera three, wide as well.
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Okay.
Brian, can you hear me?
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God, that's loud! Will you be
doing that the whole time?
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Sir, you'll be
all the way over there?
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Oh, yes. No, um...
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It's just a sort of a funky idea that
they're trying out for the opening.
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On camera, it'll look as if
we're facing each other
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but in different aspects.
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So if you face and I face, then...
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- You see, on the monitor?
- Oh, yes.
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Recording beginning
in five, four, three, two, one.
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Roll credits.
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Hello and good morning.
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One of the most urgent questions
to which everyone wants an answer is
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if we vote Margaret Thatcher
into Number Ten at the next election
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will we be voting for a disastrous
and futile confrontation
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between the government
and the unions?
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Today, on Weekend World,
we will try and answer that question.
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First, though, the news headlines
with Gordon Honeycombe.
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There's more conjecture
about Middle East peace moves
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after the unexpected return
to Israel last night from Paris
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of the Israeli Foreign Secretary,
Mr. Dayan
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and the Egyptian foreign minister,
Mr. Fahmy has left Cairo for France.
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He's also on his way to America
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with Egyptian proposals
for a Middle East settlement.
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More than 40 firebombs...
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All right. Main interview.
Good luck. Brian.
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In speeches up and down the country
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Mrs. Thatcher has often
startled her audiences.
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Instead of the reassurance we've come
to expect from Conservative leaders
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Mrs. Thatcher conveyed
a sense of imminent danger.
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There's a reason Mrs. Thatcher
sounds more militant
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than other postwar leaders.
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They've avoided identifying
the party too closely
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with any particular doctrine
because they've been afraid
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that ideology costs votes.
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Today, we're not going
to consider whether those
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policies are in themselves
good or bad for Britain
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but instead try to work out
whether she would overcome
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the opposition
she's bound to run into.
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So we've indulged
in a little crystal-ball gazing
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with our own scenario
of what could happen
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if she got into Number Ten.
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Margaret Thatcher comes to power
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after a close-run general election.
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Immediately, Mrs. Thatcher cuts taxes
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and announces large reductions
in public spending.
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A national ballot of miners
comes out overwhelmingly
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in favor of strike action.
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So here we are.
Two Midlanders, east and west.
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Oh, yes.
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And you went to Oxford, too.
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- On a scholarship.
- Me too.
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Wouldn't have been
able to go otherwise.
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No, no. Of course.
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Although it did come with an awful
lot of hard work, of course.
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Oh, yes, that was drilled into me.
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- Hard work, just rewards.
- Five, four, three, two...
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So what would Mrs. Thatcher do
if it came to the crunch?
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Thank you for joining us,
Mrs. Thatcher.
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Do you see yourself as we see you
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as a figure who wants
to substantially change
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a lot of things in our society,
who wants to...
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roll back to a more
individualistic sort of society?
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I think government has got into
far too many areas
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and government really has tried
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to stop a good deal
of individual liberty.
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Now I want to roll back
those areas of decision
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both from people and businesses.
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That's not government's job.
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- Well...
- One moment.
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I want to be absolutely clear.
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You see, the whole difference
between our society
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and that of the United States
and Germany
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is that they've grown
because they've got incentives.
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The incentives we haven't had.
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And I'm going to say, people
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will respond to those incentives
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and a socialist government
cannot give those incentives
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because all of its philosophy,
all of its ideas...
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Brian, do you challenge her?
She's an ideologue, a radical!
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But governments spend better
when leaving the money with people.
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And that is why they're coming
to us and not to them.
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Uh... well, it's a vision
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but governments
aren't conducted on visions.
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Oh, no... no. It's a reality.
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I enjoyed that.
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I don't know why some people fear
this whole, you know, the medium.
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I see these conversations
as opportunities.
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Well, then we should
do it again sometime.
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Uh, I think you're that way,
we're this.
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Right, well...
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- goodbye, then.
- Goodbye.
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Bye.
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Uh-oh. David's not saying anything.
Come, dear leader.
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Oh, great Strategos.
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- What mighty thoughts?
- You went too easy on her.
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You gave her all that space
to postulate.
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Don't our audience
want to hear her postulate?
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The function
of a political interview
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- isn't to provide a platform...
- So they can--
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- ... for the politicians.
- So they make a judgment
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- about her.
- It's to break apart their platform.
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Interesting one, isn't he, Bernard?
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Labour man, of course, but...
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Well, with his background
like mine...
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you take the Labour Party
like your mother's milk.
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One of those aspirational working
classes we have to win over.
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She was good.
Answers the question.
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Full of substance...
full to bursting.
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I've practically got indigestion.
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Well, I'm sorry,
but I thought it was a disaster.
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Well, he's a journalist
at the end of the day.
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Out for himself. They all are.
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Yes, these people must always
be kept at arm's length.
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So we should be
seeing Mrs. Thatcher next
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among jubilant party workers.
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Mrs. Thatcher comes out
dressed in the most brilliant blue.
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Mrs. Thatcher,
are you cautiously optimistic?
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We're reserving judgment
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but yes, optimistic
based on the polls.
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Will it be a landslide,
Mrs. Thatcher?
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Too early to tell...
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Well,
if ever anyone looked like a winner
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Mrs. Thatcher
looks like a winner this evening
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as she goes off to Finchley.
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Good luck, Maggie!
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She must know now
that she is safely home and dry.
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Good luck, Maggie!
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It's never happened before.
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There's never been a woman
Prime Minister of Britain
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or of any other Western country.
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That's what we're going to see
this afternoon
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and it'll be symbolized
on the steps of Number Ten.
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And that's what this crowd here
is waiting for too.
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- Oh, Brian.
- Prime Minister.
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Thank you for coming to see us here.
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There's so many of you
to get through, I just needed to...
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Not at all.
Happy to be one of the chosen.
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Um, cutaway first?
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Uh, yes, a quick intro and...
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Presumably a two-shot
before moving to the...
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Yes. Right.
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Bernard, should that go?
That ornament thing.
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It looks as if
it's sticking out of my head.
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Don't want people
to think I've been impaled.
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Avoid saying this... and this.
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Yes.
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Right.
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Ready.
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Britain enters the '80s with the most
radical leadership in a generation.
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Margaret Thatcher insists economic
prosperity must return to Britain
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and has made it clear she intends
to do whatever is necessary
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to make her plan work.
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Prime Minister,
uh, it won't surprise you
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I don't suppose it surprises anybody,
that your political opponents think
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your economic strategy will fail.
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Well, theirs failed.
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- And so we have to do--
- Well, we don't have time
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- to go into that now.
- something very different.
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No, wait a minute.
It's part of what you might call
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the Thatcher experiment.
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Well, what interests me more
is that they think
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even if against their expectations,
you were to succeed economically
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you would still have created
a society which is more unequal
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riddled with avoidable injustices.
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Now, is the price of our
economic recovery and prosperity
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greater inequality in our country?
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Indeed, yes.
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One of the problems, of course,
there are differentials
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for extra effort, extra skill.
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You will get a more thriving society
when people can rise
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to the limit of their talents.
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For example, I don't expect to be
paid as much as you are, Mr. Walden.
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Well, um...
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but it... it does mean more
inequality, does it not?
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It does mean more. Indeed, yes.
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She actually answers
the bloody question.
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I find that refreshing.
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Yes, but you risk
coming across to the whole world
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as though you're becoming
most enamored.
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It's not enamored.
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It... Look, she...
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has a mission.
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Agree with it or disagree with it,
she wants to get something done.
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And I want to understand it.
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Look, I get it. It... it's just...
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it's your style, and it's
a valid one, opening them up.
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I just wish with her you'd be
a bit harder because she is hard.
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Listen, Brian.
Look, I'm sorry, but at some point
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you're gonna have to let go of
the politician that wants to be liked
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and embrace the journalist
who can prosecute.
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Those red lines between the two,
they exist for a reason.
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Well, then help me.
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You say you want
to educate the masses.
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Start with me, Coxy.
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I can learn anything.
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Teach me the ways
of the great political interviewer
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and I'll learn them. Okay?
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So we start with a mind map.
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The plan, a map of potential answers
to each question
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that we can war-game so that you can
prepare in advance where you go next.
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Which I can memorize.
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Trust me. Preparation, I can do.
Preparation, I love.
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"Minister, are you going to perform
a U-turn on your manifesto pledge?"
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If he says yes, move to 4-C.
No, to 8-B.
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No, I will not be U-turning.
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Well then. Are you aware of the cost
of continuing down this road
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and what it's going to be?
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Pointy heads.
Current affairs wonks.
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I'd stay clear.
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If they say yes,
they will increase taxes.
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Turn right to this question.
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If they say no, they will not
turn left to a different question.
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Mr. Nott, if you could not
in fact bring public borrowing
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under control by any other means
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then you would have to increase taxes
in order to do so.
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Most certainly.
Most certainly.
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Uh, what we are committed...
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For the Labour Party.
I have a very deep...
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umbilical tie.
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It would be as painful for me
to break away from it
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as it would be
to break away from a family.
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But you might.
And it's the might that interests me.
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Geoffrey.
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Are you ready for tomorrow's budget,
Chancellor?
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Of course, Margaret.
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And Nigel.
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- Nice and smart.
- Hmm.
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Congrats. Nigel.
Energy on the way up.
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Cheers. Yes, lots to do.
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Exactly. Energy, that's what we need.
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Come and sit down.
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I want you right here, Geoffrey,
on my right as chancellor.
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Then, Nigel.
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Uh, are you being any use?
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- Doing my--
- Do something.
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Um, Michael... you're a bit tall.
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Would you please stand
in the back row?
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Anyone else who's very tall?
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Ah, just one moment.
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Forgive me, Margaret, I...
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thought I'd just run through these...
projections that are coming in.
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Who the devil's that?
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Oh, isn't it her
new economic adviser, um...
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- Adam, Alan...
- Alan Walters.
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Mad professor.
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Has the PM's ear, but it won't last.
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Best to avoid him at all costs.
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Just bear with us.
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Right. Are we all ready...
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to face the lens of history?
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Yes. Over to you.
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Everyone look at me, please.
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Pennies don't come
from heaven, Brian.
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They have to be earned here on earth.
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And there are plenty
out there to be earned.
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If we do all the right things,
you know...
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keep public spending under control,
keep public borrowing down...
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then the boat will come in.
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Well, um, that answer, um...
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provokes me to ask you a question.
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I'd hoped that wasn't
being provocative.
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No, no, I don't mean in that sense.
I meant that it was stimulative.
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And it stimulates me
to ask you a question.
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When you talk about your values
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uh, those values have
a resonance in our past.
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What I would call Victorian values.
Now, is that correct?
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Yes, exactly. Very much so.
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Those were the values
when our country became great.
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Yes, Victorian values.
I'm quite pleased with that.
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I know, but you heard her.
She's going to start using that now.
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A line you fed her.
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Isn't this exactly
the kind of thing David--
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Yes, but we're helping
define the news for our audience
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00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,160
not just report it, all right?
501
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,760
Look, I've got to file my column.
502
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,000
- Okay, I'll head back inside.
- Okay.
503
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,480
Um, well done tonight.
Chin-chin. Bravo. See you tomorrow.
504
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,600
You don't fancy a drink, do you?
505
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:53,920
Uh... Oh.
506
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,000
Well, um... Actually, I...
507
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,480
I probably best not
get a slapped wrist and...
508
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,000
uh, but um, cheers anyway.
509
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,920
No, I was never a socialist.
510
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,200
Come on, admit it.
511
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,360
No, uh... honestly.
512
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,200
Honestly, this is the thing
that the people on the left...
513
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,240
Well, the further left
have never understood
514
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,280
about actual working people.
We don't want handouts.
515
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,520
My dad didn't. We value hard work.
516
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:18,720
I've always been
more of a meritocrat.
517
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,240
Yes, a meritocracy. Exactly.
518
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,520
And you and I are
very good examples of that.
519
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,800
We've got to the very top
of our profession
520
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,320
against all the odds.
521
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,680
Look at us.
522
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:31,760
To us!
523
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Um, just to say.
524
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,120
Uh, we can keep this between...
525
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,600
Oh, full confidentiality.
526
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,440
Like a doctor or a priest.
527
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,520
Yeah.
528
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,680
I remember something you said
in the Commons, um...
529
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,440
Of course I didn't know you
from Adam back then, but I...
530
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,400
I made a mental note of it.
531
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,640
Oh, really? What was it that I said?
532
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,240
You were talking about...
You used this phrase, um...
533
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,200
"the furtherance
of remarkable people."
534
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,400
And uh, I like that.
535
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,640
The aspiration of it. Didn't matter
where you were from, man or woman.
536
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,080
Yes, exactly.
537
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,560
You see, there are so many,
well, men...
538
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,040
Denis and I have to tolerate them.
We have to entertain them here.
539
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,040
And they didn't earn their place.
540
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,920
They just knew someone
who knew someone.
541
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,360
And they bluff and they blag
their way through
542
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,720
and they have unlimited chances!
543
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,200
But me...
544
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,960
if I don't spend hours and hours
preparing every detail...
545
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,760
Me too. I'm exactly the same.
546
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,360
- Exactly the same.
- Yeah.
547
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,200
You see, you never do shake it off,
do you?
548
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,200
That feeling one has of being...
549
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,920
an outsider.
550
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,120
I think that's why I, um...
551
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,920
I've always been nervous... uh, of...
552
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,440
I don't know, the mob.
553
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,200
Yeah... The unions, even.
554
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,080
My father was a glassblower
and very hard working.
555
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160
Frequently out of work
because of the closed shop.
556
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,200
They wouldn't accept him,
wouldn't let him in.
557
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,520
Uh, I never knew why.
558
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,240
And your mother?
559
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,840
She passed away when I was, uh, 12.
560
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,440
Oh. I'm sorry.
561
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,080
She was the stronger one. Uh...
562
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,600
Maybe too strong, some thought.
563
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,480
Uh, she was a bookbinder.
564
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,200
My God, the uh... the luck of that.
565
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920
That's the only reason there
were books in the house.
566
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,720
And she never read them, of course.
567
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,880
But for me...
568
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,840
being on my own a lot, uh...
569
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,600
never really being
into having friends...
570
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720
um, I was very happy on my own.
571
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,200
Book in my lap,
enjoying brave new worlds.
572
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,440
Well, it seems to me
you made your own luck, Brian.
573
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,680
I'm very aware, painfully aware...
574
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,840
that one mistake
and they will have me out...
575
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:56,960
one day.
576
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,840
Doesn't matter what I do.
577
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,600
Someone will come for me.
578
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,640
I reckon there's no one you won't
be able to see off, Margaret.
579
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,080
This country
needs Margaret Thatcher.
580
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,520
Someone unafraid to offer a vision.
581
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,960
What can I say? She tickles me.
582
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,040
And I think I understand her.
583
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,480
In years to come, great novels
will be written about her.
584
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,440
We want Maggie! We want Maggie!
585
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,080
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome
to the Young Conservatives Conference
586
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,760
Mr. Kenny Everett!
587
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,760
Let's bomb Russia!
588
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,560
Let's kick Michael Foot's stick away!
589
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,560
Put your hands together
for Jimmy Tarbuck and Steve Davis.
590
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,920
We want Maggie! We want Maggie!
591
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,960
We want Maggie! We want Maggie!
592
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,480
Ronnie, you're here.
593
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,840
All hail the speechwriter.
Did you see the rally at Wembley?
594
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,400
- I did.
- Oh, they were going wild.
595
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,200
Almost hysterical, some of them.
596
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,480
- Oh.
- Is hysteria a thing to be
597
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,360
courted and celebrated?
598
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,240
All feels a bit American.
599
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,200
Ronnie, it's only that it proves
what a draw she is amongst the young.
600
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,960
You wanted me to take another run
at the text for Wednesday?
601
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,040
Yes.
602
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,520
It's the last party broadcast
before the election day.
603
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,440
And I think... we think
604
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,440
following on
from what we've just seen...
605
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,720
- right, Ian?
- Yes. Yeah.
606
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,680
Cap... capturing,
harnessing the mood.
607
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,240
You know, the energy.
It's real, it's there, so...
608
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,120
Well, I... I was going for mood.
609
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,080
A sort of thoughtful mood piece.
610
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,960
No! That's what we want changed.
611
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,480
Hammer home our achievements.
Bang... bang!
612
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,040
And what we've still got left to do.
Boom... boom!
613
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,880
The people, they're ready now
for some confidence, some ambition
614
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,360
to go further in the fight.
615
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,680
That's what the campaign's been.
Bangs and booms.
616
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,360
I thought now...
617
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,680
a little night music.
618
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,480
A little night music?
619
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,200
Ronald, we want them on their feet
like they were today!
620
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,280
"Maggie! Maggie!"
621
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,520
Margaret,
must everything always be a fight?
622
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,080
Can't it sometimes be...
peace and quiet?
623
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,720
Ron's gone wobbly.
We'll need another writer.
624
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,480
- What?
- Sorry, Ron.
625
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,040
Maybe someone from Saatchis?
626
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,480
No, not an ad man.
627
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,920
We want poetry.
628
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,800
This is about instinct.
629
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Somebody knows what we are
and what we need to say, in his gut.
630
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,080
What about Brian?
631
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,680
Brian?
632
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,760
Is that proper?
633
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,920
And he's not a speechwriter.
He's a journalist.
634
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,040
And a good one.
635
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,320
Ronnie's a playwright,
and a good one.
636
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Thank you, good night.
637
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,760
Good night. Ronnie.
638
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,520
It's just...
639
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,240
I don't know what the protocol...
640
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,920
- and it's nearly midnight.
- Call him. Call Brian.
641
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,800
Hello.
642
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,000
Brian, forgive the hour,
it's Ian Gow.
643
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,560
You're not around, are you?
644
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,800
Um...
645
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,320
Around for, uh...
646
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,160
for what? And when?
647
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,400
We wanted to...
648
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,800
Well, now, actually.
649
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,920
Final party political broadcast
650
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,560
going out the night
before polling day.
651
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,760
And Margaret just wondered
about getting your take on it.
652
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,600
She'd just like your brain on it.
653
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,000
Brain of Brian. Brian's brain.
654
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,640
Maybe I should sleep on it.
655
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,320
Or check with some of the...
You know, it's okay to...
656
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,080
It's only that we need to get you
into a cab, sort of... now-ish.
657
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,920
And maybe best
just kept between ourselves.
658
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,720
Less complicated. For you, I mean.
659
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,280
- Brian.
- Ah.
660
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,400
Honestly, I can't thank you enough.
661
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,200
Have some coffee.
662
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,280
Thank you. Yes.
663
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,760
Well, I... I saw the clips.
Uh, Wembley.
664
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,600
- Jimmy Tarbuck, Kenny Everett.
- Mm-hmm.
665
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,160
Even Steve Davis looked excited.
666
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,840
- For Steve Davis.
- He stinks of booze.
667
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,880
- He's been drinking.
- Oh, for heaven's sake, you.
668
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,040
Go and knit a quilt or something.
669
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,720
Here, coffee.
670
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,440
Black as the night.
671
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,480
Yes, the rally
rather took us by surprise.
672
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,120
Hence why we want to cross
the finishing line
673
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,840
a bit more triumphantly,
with a bit more punch.
674
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,960
Yes, um...
675
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,120
It's, it's a little... tricky. Uh...
676
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,800
unwritten rules of journalism,
you know. Church and state?
677
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,600
No, of course.
678
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,600
Oh, completely.
This doesn't have to affect that.
679
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,640
Brian, you're a professional,
and I'm a professional.
680
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,040
Absolutely.
681
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,440
You know,
there's been some polling done today.
682
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,120
Polling all the time, of course...
683
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,680
but on this policy or that message,
but this was specifically on me.
684
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,280
Well, let me guess.
The same lazy stereotypes...
685
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,680
"battle ax" sort of stuff.
686
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,080
Strong? Yes.
687
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,760
Capable, just not likable...
688
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,680
apparently.
689
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,960
Well, I mean, that's...
That's your public persona.
690
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,760
Uh, in private...
691
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,640
I mean, in private, uh...
I... I like you.
692
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,760
Thank you, Brian.
693
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,800
And... and I wasn't fishing.
694
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,160
No, it's just that I know
one has to be...
695
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,280
uh...
696
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:31,960
You see, when I first came into this,
everyone before me had been so wet.
697
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,360
Wet, and nothing got done.
698
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,280
And I refuse to be that.
699
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,160
No, the moment you stop driving hard,
the whole thing comes off the road.
700
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,600
It's just...
701
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,720
oh, I don't know.
Maybe I should have shown some...
702
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,280
I don't know,
humility or... softness?
703
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,040
No, this country
is so bloody lily-livered.
704
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,360
You mustn't bend, Margaret.
There's too much to do.
705
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,240
I wouldn't give them an inch.
I mean it.
706
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,520
At crucial moments like this,
never compromise, never flinch.
707
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,440
And you can forget your naysayers.
708
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,920
You have plenty of people who...
709
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:09,760
believe in you.
710
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,000
And I do like fun.
You know, I...
711
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,880
I can... I can tell a joke.
712
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,960
I heard one only the other day.
What was it?
713
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,080
Um, there's this man
in a hospital, and...
714
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,720
No... no.
He goes into a bar
715
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,320
and he's still wearing his gown,
and he...
716
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,400
No, no.
Well, I'll... I'll remember it.
717
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,040
But thank you, Brian, for your faith.
718
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,160
You were one of the first people
to take me seriously
719
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,560
when everyone else
dismissed me out of hand.
720
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,560
I'll always be grateful for that.
721
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,160
So shall we get on?
722
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,080
For freedom!
723
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,120
Freedom is the birthright
of every citizen.
724
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,160
To preserve and defend that freedom.
725
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,240
To defend it from within
and from without.
726
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,520
Amen.
727
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,840
In Britain today,
there is no room
728
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,320
for outdated distinctions
of class or creed.
729
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,400
It doesn't matter who you are
or who your father is
730
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,360
or where you came from.
731
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,200
Hello.
732
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,120
So there's this man
who goes into a pub
733
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,720
from the hospital next door.
734
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,000
And he's still wearing his gown
735
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,000
and he's pulling his IV stand
along with him.
736
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,720
You know, all that business.
737
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,280
And the landlord looks a bit worried.
738
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,400
He says, "Can I help you?"
739
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,120
And our chap says, "Yes, please.
740
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,240
I'd like two pints of lager
741
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,920
two Guinness, four gin and tonics
742
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,120
and three shots of tequila."
743
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,320
And it's a free world.
744
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,320
So the landlord, you know,
he's an entrepreneurial sort.
745
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,720
He gives the man his drinks.
746
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,720
And then the man
downs them one by one
747
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,920
ending up with the shots of tequila.
748
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,960
And he turns to the landlord
and he says
749
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,200
"Do you know, I really shouldn't have
drunk all that with what I've got."
750
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,280
And the landlord says,
"Why, what have you got?"
751
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,160
And he says, "About £3.50."
752
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,560
And I will honor that pledge
I made you in this unrelenting quest
753
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,840
to break down the old barriers
754
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,840
and build a Britain
where it doesn't matter
755
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,040
who your father is
or where you come from.
756
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,480
- The certainty of liberty!
- Remember this moment.
757
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,640
- And the chance of property...
- A sense of...
758
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,800
triumph on their faces. Look at it.
759
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,600
They think they're untouchable now.
760
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,000
A landslide.
761
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,200
The Falklands, all of it. I mean...
762
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,960
What need to be held
accountable on camera
763
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,840
subjected to scrutiny anymore?
764
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,280
...passionately believe...
765
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,760
Well, yes,
they are strong now.
766
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,400
Which means we have to be stronger
and harder and tougher
767
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,480
in return,
on behalf of our viewers. Okay?
768
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,320
Right?
769
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,400
Right.
770
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,520
Mr. Lawson, Prime Minister
has asked you to come upstairs.
771
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,440
Yes. Come in.
772
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,920
He's here.
773
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Assuming he accepts
774
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,000
I'll get it out
in the first editions.
775
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,120
All hunky dory.
Still riding high on a wave.
776
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,800
Hunky dory?
777
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,640
What's worrying you?
778
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,400
Have you ever...
779
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,400
in the moment, just given a piece
of yourself to somebody?
780
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,720
Perhaps more than you meant to.
And then after the fact, you...
781
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,120
No... I don't know.
782
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Who?
783
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,680
No, it doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter.
784
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,440
Show him in.
785
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,000
- Nigel.
- Prime Minister.
786
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,160
- Come on in and sit down.
- Thanks.
787
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,800
So...
788
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,000
Geoffrey is taking the foreign brief.
789
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,400
I was rather hoping you would
take up his mantle as Chancellor.
790
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,800
I would like that very much.
It would be a great honor to accept.
791
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,320
Well, there's no time
like the present.
792
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,880
I thought it would be good to...
get into a routine of having
793
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,760
little... informal chats
a couple of times a week.
794
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,040
Because, you know, the relationship
between Prime Minister and Chancellor
795
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,960
needs to be very, very close.
Don't you agree?
796
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,960
Without question, Prime Minister.
797
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,040
Margaret.
798
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,000
Margaret.
799
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,320
You've proved yourself
to be able to get things done.
800
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,280
And this term, it's time.
It's time...
801
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,600
to start selling back
to the private sector
802
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,720
everything that came under
public ownership after the war.
803
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,960
We must let them get out there
and thrive with confidence.
804
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,480
- Yes?
- Absolutely.
805
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,400
- Let's get on with it.
- Right.
806
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,160
And to that end, Nigel...
807
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,320
Were you thinking
of having a haircut?
808
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,920
- Haircut?
- Yes. Long and unkempt.
809
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,480
- That's the other lot, isn't it?
- Of course. Margaret.
810
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,000
Prime Minister? Switchboard
have Brian Walden on the phone.
811
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,880
Uh... yes.
812
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,920
Would you pass that onto Bernard,
please, instead?
813
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,920
Margaret, how are you?
814
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,080
Well, Brian. Always well.
815
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,880
Okay, all set.
816
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,640
Four, three, two...
817
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,320
What on earth is going on out there?
818
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:57,760
Betrayal.
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