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[dramatic music]
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♪♪ ♪♪
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JENIFER: This was it.
It was meant to be.
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- You will never
have to question
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my love or devotion to you.
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I am so in love with you.
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And now we get
to be together forever.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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JENIFER: Little did I know
I was married to a man
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who had done something
so horrible
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that it would
devastate our lives
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and change us forever.
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The cops had kicked
the door down.
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There's this piece of paper,
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and I notice that it says
"search warrant"
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on the top of it.
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And then I just remember
seeing the words
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"sexual assault"
and the word "student."
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NEWSCASTER:
An educator is in jail.
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48-year-old Spencer Herron
facing sexual assault charges.
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- Two days
after Spence was arrested,
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I got into his email.
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It was woman after woman
after woman.
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My soulmate,
he was living a double life.
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[tense music]
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During the Betrayal podcast,
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I spoke with a couple
of the women
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who had an affair with Spence.
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- This person who we thought
was one person
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was somebody
entirely different.
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- He just gave in
to the hunt for the high.
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- It's manipulation
at the highest level.
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- If you saw Spence,
what do you think
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you would say to him?
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[dramatic music]
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♪♪ ♪♪
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LORI WILSON:
A developing story--
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a former Cobb County
Teacher of the Year
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now faces
sexual assault charges.
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Police arrested Spencer Herron
on Friday
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and charged him
with three counts
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of sexual assault
by a teacher.
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- The news broke,
and people were making comments
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about it on Facebook
and on his page.
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So I was able to get
into his Facebook account
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to take down his social media.
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- And what she found,
it was like a trophy case.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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- It was, I don't know,
over 60 women
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that I found
correspondence with.
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When something
like this happens,
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it's so hard to understand
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what's real
and what's not real.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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[whimpers softly, sniffles]
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♪♪ ♪♪
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Um, I had to kind of become...
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an investigator.
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[sniffles]
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Um, I needed to know
who this person was.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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At this point, he's in jail,
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he's waiting for his trial,
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and I couldn't talk
about the case with anyone
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because it was ongoing.
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So I started digging
through everything.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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And the person
that I was finding,
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going through his emails
and correspondence
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with these other women...
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was not somebody I knew.
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He even cheated on me
the week of our wedding.
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I've made timelines.
I've made charts.
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I have all the information.
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Out of all
the different women,
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he had two-
to three-year-long affairs
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with probably six to seven
different women...
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some at the same time.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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Knowing how many affairs
he had had,
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I really got angry.
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He was living a lie
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the entire time
that we were married.
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The entire time
he was living a lie.
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- One of my biggest questions
has always been,
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why--why did you feel the need
to organize everything?
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- I was just looking
for all the answers.
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Like, I needed a timeline.
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I needed to know,
when did this start?
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When did this end,
if it ever ended?
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I had to see...
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was it anything that I had done
at any point?
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- When I started
working with Jen,
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she was--she was crumbling.
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She was completely
falling apart.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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At the beginning
of betrayal trauma,
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we start to see a lot
of safety-seeking behavior...
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Staying up all night,
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looking at texts and emails
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and phone logs...
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anything to try
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to make sense...
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and put pieces back together
of their world
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that has totally
been shattered.
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- Like, I mean,
look at this list.
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This is a list I compiled
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that shows how many
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and the dates.
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- This is page 1 of 9.
- Yeah.
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ANDREA:
She's trying to reconcile,
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here's someone
that I thought I trusted
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that valued me, respected me,
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who really didn't.
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That was really shocking to her
and hard for her to understand.
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JENIFER: You can see,
like, how they overlap.
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- Constant feelers out there.
- Yep.
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I-I think that was, like,
almost his job every day,
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was to figure out
who he could sleep with.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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KIM WIGINGTON:
When Jenifer started talking
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about the multiple women,
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I don't know if I said it first
or if she did,
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it was like,
do you think you have an STD?
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And I said,
well, I'm gonna call
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and make an appointment
with my gynecologist,
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and I will drive you there.
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And she came out
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of the, um, exam room,
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and she said,
"I have chlamydia."
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And it was just...
[sighs]
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So real at that moment.
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[Eloise Weeks'
"Look What You've Done"]
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ELOISE WEEKS:
♪♪ You were in love with me ♪♪
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WIGINGTON: Because
she couldn't separate it
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from herself anymore.
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ELOISE: ♪♪ Now look
what you've done to me ♪♪
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♪♪ Look what you've done ♪♪
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WIGINGTON:
There was something so real
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about having that STD
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that he gave her that...
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[sighs]
You couldn't separate
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the Spencer who went out
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and did
these horrible things...
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ELOISE:
♪♪ I was in love with you ♪♪
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♪♪ I was in love with you ♪♪
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WIGINGTON:
To the Spencer who was
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the loving husband at home.
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It all collided
at that moment.
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ELOISE: ♪♪ Now look
what you've done to me ♪♪
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- It fucks you up.
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You know, having sex,
it--it's--
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it's so personal.
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And he was having it
with prostitutes,
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escorts,
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online,
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in person.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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It was constant,
all day, every day.
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[dramatic music]
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JENIFER:
During the podcast,
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I spoke with a couple
of the women
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that he had
long-term affairs with.
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And what I learned
is that his behavior
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follows a certain pattern.
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He used his charm
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to make people do
what he wanted to do.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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And, you know, he, like,
throws out this fishing line
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to see who will bite.
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ANDREA: While serving
in the Air National Guard,
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Spencer had a long-term affair
with one of his bandmates.
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She was comfortable
with speaking to Jen
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but didn't want anyone
to know her name.
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And that was okay.
We changed her name.
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HOPE: Out of nowhere,
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I got this text message--
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"Well, you're beautiful."
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Here's an attractive guy
telling me I'm pretty.
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At that point,
I don't even remember
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really ever having
a-a conversation with him
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prior to that.
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JENIFER:
Some people wouldn't bite,
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because they thought,
well, wait, he's married.
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Oh, that just must be Spence.
He's just really nice.
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You know, I'm sure
it wasn't really flirtation.
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[soft dramatic music]
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And I think most
of the time...
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it probably was.
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HOPE: And then
the next thing I know,
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it's happening so quickly
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that I--like, I was confused.
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I was like, what is this?
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I thought we were just
hanging out, talking.
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And then there we were.
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And I remember feeling like,
oh, my God, what's happening?
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- I am a clinical psychologist.
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And my focus is
on antagonistic relationships.
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[tense music]
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I did not have the opportunity
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to meet with Spencer
and to talk with Spencer.
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But personality style, we can
speculate on that confidently,
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because when we're talking
about personality,
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it's a set of patterns
of behavior
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that all hang together.
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The personality style
we're seeing here falls
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in this sort of
narcissistic space.
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But the danger
of any kind of narcissistic
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or antagonistic
or toxic personality
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is their absolute brilliance
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at being able to hide
in plain sight.
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HOPE: I loved the way
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he made me feel about myself.
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At that time in my life,
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I very much needed
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to feel loved and wanted.
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KIM GOULD:
When someone swoops in
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and makes you feel loved
and important
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and attractive,
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it's easy to sometimes
be vulnerable to that.
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So Spence was really good
at identifying these women,
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and...
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they were often
receptive to this
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because they learned
to trust him.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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- One of the women
that had an affair with Spence
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was a friend of ours.
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And she was one of the women
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I saw pictures of
on his computer.
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[inhales sharply]
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[voice breaking]
That--that stings really bad.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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[sniffles]
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[normal voice] We were friends
with the family.
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Her and her husband
would come into the wine bar
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all the time.
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- Jen's friend was willing
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to have a conversation
with Jen on the phone,
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but she didn't want us
to hear her voice.
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So what she allowed us to do
was use the transcription
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of the recorded phone call,
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and then we could use
a voice actor to play her.
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[indistinct chatter]
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FRIEND: I was stressed out.
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I didn't feel pretty
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all the time.
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And I was a stay-at-home mom,
you know?
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I had kids hanging off me,
breastfeeding.
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I was greasy, maybe showered
every couple days.
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But then I would always hear,
you know, like,
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"Oh, you're so beautiful.
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"You're really,
really well-rounded,
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and you're a great mom."
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- When Spence would work
the wine bar on his own,
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I found out that he basically
used it almost like a brothel.
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FRIEND: He asked me if I could
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help stay there for him
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to close up,
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like, help
carry something out.
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I went into the bathroom,
and when I came out,
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he was there
and mentioned, like,
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"You know we have
this thing together.
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You know, you're
feeling this too, right?"
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And then he came in for a kiss
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and then held my hand,
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then touched his crotch
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with my hand
on the outside of my pants.
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- He would put a sign
on the door sometimes
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that said
"back in five minutes,"
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because he took some woman
to the bathroom
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or to the basement
to have sex with them.
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FRIEND: I felt like I knew him
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and trusted him
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for at least six months
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to a year,
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and I felt like somebody
got me in that moment.
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So I guess in a way
I almost felt
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like I owed him something.
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- With Spencer,
there was no empathy.
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There was
tremendous manipulation
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and, frankly,
a lot of entitlement,
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entitlement to,
I get to have my attention.
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I get to have multiple lives.
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I get to do all of this.
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HOPE: I felt just like
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I was being used
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whenever there was a need.
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Two or three months
would go by,
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and I wouldn't hear anything.
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And then all of a sudden,
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here--here we are again.
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ANDREA: Every time
you would open an email
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or look at a text message,
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were you numb at that point,
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or was it like a dagger
every single time?
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- Every single time.
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ANDREA: What's so wild to me
is just the volume of women
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and the different versions
of himself.
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They must be encountering
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a different mask,
a different person,
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and different masks...
- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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ANDREA:
For different vulnerabilities.
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And that's scary.
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JENIFER:
Totally, yeah.
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I didn't know
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how manipulating Spence was
at that point.
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RAMANI: Spencer actually
seemed like a great guy
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to everybody in his life.
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Unfortunately, when it comes
to manipulative behavior,
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the manipulation gets rewarded.
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Anytime manipulation
is rewarded,
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we will always see escalation.
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And, basically, Spencer had
absolutely no consideration
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for the needs and feelings
of others.
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When you're running
a system like that,
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it's manipulation
at the highest level.
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FRIEND: I could see the way
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he would look at people
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in public situations.
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If I were off in the distance
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or he was exchanging money
with somebody,
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his hand would linger on hers
a little bit longer.
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It was a challenge.
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It was a game.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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LAUREN: I met Spencer
when I was interviewing
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for his fill-in position.
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He was leaving
for military leave.
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And--and the interview
went very well.
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I really didn't think
much of it,
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but he seemed like he wanted
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to continue a conversation
outside of the interview.
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And I could tell at that point,
things shifted.
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And I don't even remember
how I ended up
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giving him my phone number.
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And then
the next thing I knew,
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we were in a parking lot
at Home Depot.
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[scoffs] Sounds so lovely.
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And...
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we had sex.
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He was very persistent
and pushy.
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He wouldn't give up.
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I knew he was married,
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and it made me feel even--
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you know, just horrible
about myself.
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But yet I continue
to communicate with him
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for however long it was.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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He exudes charm, so...
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shame on me, you know.
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HOPE:
There was a very dominating
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side to him.
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There were things
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that were asked of me
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that I was absolutely not
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comfortable with.
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He had a lot of fantasies
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that he wanted played out.
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[dark music]
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- I think he must think
about sex
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or fetishes, whatever, often
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and very determined
to get an answer as to meeting
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or wanting to talk
about his fetishes more.
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- He would talk
about having a threesome
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and send photos
of what he wanted to happen
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during the threesome.
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I found disgusting videos
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that these women took
of themselves and sent to him
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because he asked for them.
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- Spencer liked to refer
to me as "Mommy"
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and wanted to be known
as "Daddy,"
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even wanting to do things
that an infant would do
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with a mother,
uh, such as nursing.
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And at some point,
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he said he wanted
to be on a leash
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and walked around a room
like a dog.
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- He wanted one woman
to hit him
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while they were having sex.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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And that's a turn-on for him.
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WIGINGTON:
You know, to know that he had
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that dangerous side,
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it was really scary to think
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what could have
happened to Jen.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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[dramatic music]
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RAMANI: Spencer's so arrogant,
so willing
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to capitalize on other people's
vulnerabilities
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merely for his own sense
of validation
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and gratification.
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There wasn't even an awareness
of people getting hurt.
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JENIFER:
This is Hope.
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"Baby, I'm ready.
I can't wait."
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"Oh, my God, baby girl,
you are perfect.
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"Wow. I'm speechless.
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00:19:33.713 --> 00:19:36.452
Except that I want to decorate
your whole back..."
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00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:39.490
- I can't.
- "With"-- I can't.
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That is not the person
that I knew.
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00:19:42.029 --> 00:19:43.032
- Mm-hmm.
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[tense music]
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FRIEND: He texted me a picture
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of his dick.
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00:19:49.077 --> 00:19:50.580
Right--right out there,
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not--not even expecting it,
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right out there on my phone.
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And at one point, then,
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requested me
to send him a picture.
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I felt like that was better
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than actually
getting together with him.
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RAMANI: Spencer keeps
pushing the envelope,
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keeps pushing the limit.
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Attention seeking combined
with lack of empathy
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can be really dangerous,
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because then you're saying,
I need to get attention,
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and I don't care who I hurt.
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00:20:17.467 --> 00:20:18.937
- Spencer Herron
at Kell High School.
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00:20:19.003 --> 00:20:20.139
How's it going?
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NEWSCASTER:
Herron now has three charges
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of sexual assault
by a teacher.
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00:20:23.513 --> 00:20:25.316
The 48-year-old was arrested
Friday afternoon
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at his home.
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JENIFER:
Up until he was arrested,
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I had a great marriage.
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[soft dramatic music]
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And you don't realize...
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how quickly life can change.
[sniffles]
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♪♪ ♪♪
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ANDREA: There's
many different versions
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that he would
present himself to be.
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Even in his marriage,
he wore a really strong
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and powerful husband mask.
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00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:01.488
- His other life was devious
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and deceptive.
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00:21:04.194 --> 00:21:05.429
HOPE: I feel like I was
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forced to play a role
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00:21:07.299 --> 00:21:09.203
that was not me.
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00:21:09.270 --> 00:21:10.874
There would be certain looks
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00:21:10.941 --> 00:21:13.312
that just made me
feel different
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00:21:13.378 --> 00:21:15.517
and cunning words.
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00:21:15.584 --> 00:21:19.925
So I didn't know how to be
other than just comply.
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JENIFER:
And he lied to people.
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He would tell some
of these women, "I love you.
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You're the only one."
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HOPE: I really thought
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that he loved me.
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He had me convinced
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that he did.
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I mean, he--he told me.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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ANDREA:
Do you remember the first time
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you saw him say "I love you"
to somebody else
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and what that was like?
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- Yeah, because he said it
to Hope, I think.
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I-I wrote him a lot of letters
when he was in jail.
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I only sent two.
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00:21:54.695 --> 00:21:58.134
But I needed to write them
for myself.
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And I just remember asking him,
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did you really love
this person?
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Like--and his response,
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"I don't remember ever
telling them I love them."
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♪♪ ♪♪
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- But I'm sure
you have evidence
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of him saying it first.
- Right there.
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ANDREA:
Mm-hmm.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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GOULD: That was just
another manipulation.
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Love is something
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that brings kindness
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and true goodness
into someone else's life.
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Love is not bringing harm
and destruction.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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HOPE: I just felt like
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my world was literally
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crashing down around me--
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the shame, the guilt,
the fear.
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- There was nothing about this
that was love.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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- Spence and I spent time
on the phone together
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when he was in jail.
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The calls were being recorded
by the jail.
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And he was so concerned
about himself
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and about anything
we'd discuss being used
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against him or against
his character in his trial.
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So I wasn't able
to really express myself
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as much as I wanted to
about what he had done.
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GAIL:
I was concerned
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that she was gonna
lose it completely.
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She got stuck.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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She kept going back to it.
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"Mom, you're not gonna
believe this.
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"This is what was being said.
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Mom, you're not gonna
believe this photo."
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She couldn't--
she was, like, spinning.
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She just kept going around
and round and round.
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- Nobody knew what to feel
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or what to say or what to do.
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GAIL:
It was like watching a movie.
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RAMANI: It was the death
of her future.
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It was the death of her dreams.
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It was the death of a person
she thought she knew.
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There is something
almost harder
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about someone still being alive
and having to lose
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what you believed
to be true of them
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than someone actually dying.
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♪♪ ♪♪
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GAIL:
Jenifer is so distraught,
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she's not thinking,
how am I gonna pay the bills
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with one income?
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You know, what about the house?
What about your job?
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What about all of these other
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logistical things for you,
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how are we gonna fix that?
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[Nik Ammar's "Come to an End"]
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WIGINGTON:
And, of course, you know,
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there was depression.
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And she didn't feel
like she was good enough.
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NIK AMMAR:
♪♪ Our love turned to rust ♪♪
524
00:25:18.001 --> 00:25:22.176
♪♪ Broken hearts to dust ♪♪
525
00:25:22.242 --> 00:25:27.654
♪♪ Nothing left of us
but memories ♪♪
526
00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:32.564
- I lost my sense of trust.
527
00:25:32.630 --> 00:25:35.169
I started questioning
my decisions.
528
00:25:35.235 --> 00:25:37.140
And being a producer,
529
00:25:37.206 --> 00:25:40.212
I-I live by my instincts.
530
00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:45.255
And all of a sudden, I-I just
questioned all of that.
531
00:25:45.322 --> 00:25:47.961
I lost work because of it.
532
00:25:48.028 --> 00:25:51.936
NIK:
♪♪ Never felt so low, so long ♪♪
533
00:25:52.002 --> 00:25:54.975
WIGINGTON: Jenifer had gotten
to the point where,
534
00:25:55.041 --> 00:25:56.679
if she'd kept her house
for another month,
535
00:25:56.745 --> 00:25:58.481
the bank would've taken it.
536
00:25:58.549 --> 00:26:01.188
♪♪ ♪♪
537
00:26:01.254 --> 00:26:04.293
JENIFER: Literally,
at that point, I had no money.
538
00:26:04.360 --> 00:26:07.366
I had already borrowed
from everybody I know.
539
00:26:07.433 --> 00:26:09.905
♪♪ ♪♪
540
00:26:09.972 --> 00:26:12.343
- And so we said, well,
541
00:26:12.410 --> 00:26:15.517
why don't you come live
in our basement apartment?
542
00:26:15.584 --> 00:26:18.355
- I had to put my pride aside.
543
00:26:18.421 --> 00:26:22.062
NIK: ♪♪ Used to be
the two of us together ♪♪
544
00:26:22.129 --> 00:26:26.572
JENIFER:
So I sold our beautiful home
545
00:26:26.639 --> 00:26:29.010
and moved into a basement.
546
00:26:29.077 --> 00:26:32.249
NIK: ♪♪ So distant,
and I've never felt so low ♪♪
547
00:26:32.316 --> 00:26:35.222
♪♪ So long ♪♪
548
00:26:38.897 --> 00:26:40.800
- We're learning more
about what landed a former
549
00:26:40.867 --> 00:26:42.470
Cobb County Teacher of the Year
nominee in jail.
550
00:26:42.538 --> 00:26:43.772
The educator is facing charges
551
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.278
of sexual assault
involving a student.
552
00:26:46.344 --> 00:26:50.887
- It's just
such a fucked-up place to be.
553
00:26:50.954 --> 00:26:54.427
You're trying to figure out,
554
00:26:54.494 --> 00:26:56.532
like, who is this person?
555
00:26:56.598 --> 00:26:57.768
Is it the one I know,
556
00:26:57.835 --> 00:27:00.071
or is it the one
that I'm learning about?
557
00:27:01.542 --> 00:27:04.447
In the early days
when he was in jail,
558
00:27:04.515 --> 00:27:06.217
he would write me letters.
559
00:27:06.284 --> 00:27:11.227
And he wrote me letter
after letter after letter.
560
00:27:11.294 --> 00:27:13.967
I would always check
the mailbox,
561
00:27:14.033 --> 00:27:17.339
because I was just hoping
that he would send me a letter
562
00:27:17.406 --> 00:27:21.481
that would somehow explain
everything.
563
00:27:21.549 --> 00:27:24.120
Ugh!
I hate these letters.
564
00:27:24.186 --> 00:27:26.223
They're all handwritten
from prison,
565
00:27:26.290 --> 00:27:29.531
and they're in order
of how he sent them to me.
566
00:27:29.598 --> 00:27:33.873
"My prayer for you is to think
about it less and less each day
567
00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:36.879
so that your life will be
better and better each day."
568
00:27:36.946 --> 00:27:38.516
ANDREA:
Wow.
569
00:27:38.583 --> 00:27:41.287
"Think about it less and less
every day."
570
00:27:41.354 --> 00:27:43.425
You want me to think about it
less and less every day
571
00:27:43.492 --> 00:27:44.928
so it goes away.
572
00:27:44.995 --> 00:27:45.930
- Right.
ANDREA: Let's just hit
573
00:27:45.997 --> 00:27:48.034
the delete button.
- Yeah.
574
00:27:48.101 --> 00:27:50.673
"I want to restore
our marriage.
575
00:27:50.740 --> 00:27:51.942
"I'll do whatever it takes
576
00:27:52.009 --> 00:27:54.146
for you to believe me
about that."
577
00:27:54.213 --> 00:27:56.552
- Up until that point, had
you given him any indication--
578
00:27:56.618 --> 00:27:58.222
- No.
579
00:27:58.288 --> 00:28:00.359
No.
- Right.
580
00:28:00.425 --> 00:28:02.530
[dramatic music]
581
00:28:02.597 --> 00:28:06.404
JENIFER: I think
all he knows is how to try
582
00:28:06.470 --> 00:28:10.714
to get on someone's good side
or knows the right things
583
00:28:10.780 --> 00:28:14.555
to say to try
to get somebody back.
584
00:28:14.621 --> 00:28:17.093
- He was just trying to, like,
write his way through it.
585
00:28:17.159 --> 00:28:18.896
- I mean, why not?
Let's go for it.
586
00:28:18.962 --> 00:28:20.666
ANDREA: Yeah,
what else is there to lose?
587
00:28:20.733 --> 00:28:23.305
- There's nothing to lose.
Let's see if she'll come back.
588
00:28:23.372 --> 00:28:25.910
[cell phone chimes]
589
00:28:25.976 --> 00:28:28.749
One of the women was
in running club with him.
590
00:28:28.816 --> 00:28:31.789
And I had found
so many photos of her.
591
00:28:31.855 --> 00:28:35.162
Taking photos of her asshole
592
00:28:35.229 --> 00:28:37.567
and sending them
to a married man.
593
00:28:37.634 --> 00:28:40.272
A-a picture of her
594
00:28:40.339 --> 00:28:43.311
giving him a blow job
in his car.
595
00:28:44.815 --> 00:28:49.758
I couldn't understand...
596
00:28:49.825 --> 00:28:53.566
what type of woman
would do that.
597
00:28:53.632 --> 00:28:56.906
And that sounds judgmental,
598
00:28:56.973 --> 00:29:01.515
but I have some empathy
for the women.
599
00:29:01.582 --> 00:29:03.820
- Right. But it took you
a little while to get there.
600
00:29:03.887 --> 00:29:05.255
JENIFER:
Oh, yeah.
601
00:29:05.322 --> 00:29:07.994
And--and in a way,
rightfully so.
602
00:29:08.061 --> 00:29:09.932
I mean, at the time,
603
00:29:09.999 --> 00:29:12.436
I was learning
that these adult women,
604
00:29:12.504 --> 00:29:13.906
some that I knew,
605
00:29:13.973 --> 00:29:16.546
were carrying on a relationship
with my husband.
606
00:29:16.612 --> 00:29:19.149
[dark music]
607
00:29:44.300 --> 00:29:46.371
JENIFER:
Everyone wondered
608
00:29:46.438 --> 00:29:49.578
where this kind
of behavior came from.
609
00:29:49.645 --> 00:29:51.982
♪♪ ♪♪
610
00:29:52.049 --> 00:29:54.153
- After Spencer
and his first wife split,
611
00:29:54.220 --> 00:29:56.558
he joined my husband's band.
612
00:29:56.625 --> 00:29:59.430
- ♪♪ Sweet home Alabama ♪♪
613
00:29:59.497 --> 00:30:03.939
- It seemed like
he kind of was...untethered.
614
00:30:04.006 --> 00:30:06.143
[rock music playing]
615
00:30:06.210 --> 00:30:08.281
He was finished
with a chapter of his life
616
00:30:08.348 --> 00:30:10.185
that hadn't been
what he had planned.
617
00:30:10.252 --> 00:30:11.956
And it felt like there was
618
00:30:12.023 --> 00:30:14.160
a lot of making up
for lost time.
619
00:30:14.227 --> 00:30:18.402
I had seen him sow his oats,
so to speak.
620
00:30:18.468 --> 00:30:21.207
Like, he didn't get
the 20s freedom
621
00:30:21.274 --> 00:30:23.044
that he was planning to have,
622
00:30:23.111 --> 00:30:25.883
and so he did that in his 40s.
623
00:30:25.950 --> 00:30:28.121
♪♪ ♪♪
624
00:30:28.187 --> 00:30:29.791
ANDREA: You're talking
to another woman.
625
00:30:29.858 --> 00:30:31.127
JENIFER:
Yeah.
626
00:30:31.193 --> 00:30:32.630
- One of the affairs?
JENIFER: Yeah.
627
00:30:32.697 --> 00:30:34.702
MISTRESS: Hi.
- Hi.
628
00:30:34.768 --> 00:30:36.838
Thanks for being here.
629
00:30:36.905 --> 00:30:40.747
You knew him
through his first marriage.
630
00:30:40.813 --> 00:30:42.750
MISTRESS:
Yes, I did.
631
00:30:42.817 --> 00:30:44.387
- It feels like
there was a shift,
632
00:30:44.454 --> 00:30:48.596
that when he got
to his single state
633
00:30:48.663 --> 00:30:51.802
that he just gave in
634
00:30:51.868 --> 00:30:53.839
to the hunt for the high.
635
00:30:53.906 --> 00:30:57.881
♪♪ ♪♪
636
00:30:57.948 --> 00:30:59.483
MISTRESS:
Something did change
637
00:30:59.551 --> 00:31:02.723
once he did, uh,
get a divorce.
638
00:31:02.790 --> 00:31:07.567
Um, there was, uh,
more than a friendship.
639
00:31:07.634 --> 00:31:10.339
RAE: And from there,
it evolved and--
640
00:31:10.406 --> 00:31:13.646
knowing
that he could do things
641
00:31:13.713 --> 00:31:16.785
and get away with stuff.
642
00:31:16.852 --> 00:31:18.990
- Do you remember him talking
643
00:31:19.056 --> 00:31:22.697
about getting married again?
644
00:31:22.764 --> 00:31:23.833
MISTRESS:
I do.
645
00:31:23.900 --> 00:31:26.638
I-I do recall that being
646
00:31:26.705 --> 00:31:29.377
just a joyous time
for him, Jen.
647
00:31:29.443 --> 00:31:30.780
- Wow.
648
00:31:30.847 --> 00:31:32.951
MISTRESS: I certainly
can't speak for him,
649
00:31:33.018 --> 00:31:37.761
but perhaps he felt like,
okay, this is--this is it.
650
00:31:37.828 --> 00:31:40.098
All this is gonna stop now.
JENIFER: Right.
651
00:31:40.165 --> 00:31:43.070
MISTRESS: I'm gonna focus
on this person.
652
00:31:43.137 --> 00:31:45.175
JENIFER:
But it didn't stop.
653
00:31:45.241 --> 00:31:47.981
MISTRESS: Right.
- Right.
654
00:31:48.047 --> 00:31:50.653
MISTRESS: He's like, well, my
wife is gonna be out of town.
655
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:52.924
Why don't you come
check out the wine bar?
656
00:31:52.991 --> 00:31:54.761
I thought, okay.
Why not?
657
00:31:54.828 --> 00:31:56.164
It's gonna be harmless.
658
00:31:56.231 --> 00:31:59.236
And, well, you know,
659
00:31:59.303 --> 00:32:02.644
it wasn't just
a harmless, friendly visit.
660
00:32:02.711 --> 00:32:05.115
It was an intimate visit.
661
00:32:05.182 --> 00:32:07.687
And, um, he certainly sold it
662
00:32:07.754 --> 00:32:11.628
as though you were still
on paper married,
663
00:32:11.695 --> 00:32:16.470
but, emotionally,
you guys were not together.
664
00:32:16.538 --> 00:32:19.076
♪♪ ♪♪
665
00:32:19.143 --> 00:32:20.546
- This is really personal,
666
00:32:20.613 --> 00:32:24.353
but did most
of the interactions happen
667
00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:26.324
at the wine bar?
668
00:32:26.391 --> 00:32:28.862
MISTRESS: They did not happen
at the wine bar.
669
00:32:28.929 --> 00:32:30.767
♪♪ ♪♪
670
00:32:30.833 --> 00:32:32.870
But they did happen
at your house.
671
00:32:32.937 --> 00:32:37.379
♪♪ ♪♪
672
00:32:37.445 --> 00:32:40.018
- It--it's such a mind-fuck.
673
00:32:40.085 --> 00:32:43.158
♪♪ ♪♪
674
00:32:43.225 --> 00:32:44.694
ANDREA:
There were no boundaries.
675
00:32:44.761 --> 00:32:45.963
It's whatever he wanted,
676
00:32:46.030 --> 00:32:47.868
wherever he could get
the opportunity,
677
00:32:47.934 --> 00:32:49.370
and he would take it.
678
00:32:49.436 --> 00:32:51.174
- [crying]
Uh, it's hard, you know,
679
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:55.950
to hear that he brought
other women into our house.
680
00:32:56.017 --> 00:33:00.225
♪♪ ♪♪
681
00:33:00.292 --> 00:33:02.831
Well, thank you so much.
682
00:33:02.898 --> 00:33:05.537
MISTRESS: Yeah, I'm glad that,
um, we could speak today.
683
00:33:05.603 --> 00:33:06.705
- Me too.
684
00:33:08.374 --> 00:33:10.345
Speaking
with these other women
685
00:33:10.411 --> 00:33:12.817
was a really hard
conversation to have.
686
00:33:12.884 --> 00:33:15.790
It was cathartic...
687
00:33:15.856 --> 00:33:18.161
but it was also draining.
688
00:33:18.228 --> 00:33:20.265
Okay.
- Are you okay?
689
00:33:20.331 --> 00:33:23.539
- Yeah, it's just, I mean...
690
00:33:23.605 --> 00:33:24.942
fuck.
691
00:33:25.008 --> 00:33:26.578
- The whole time,
I just wanted to hug you.
692
00:33:26.645 --> 00:33:28.148
So can I hug you?
JENIFER: Aw, of course.
693
00:33:28.214 --> 00:33:29.449
- I'm so sorry.
JENIFER: It's okay.
694
00:33:29.517 --> 00:33:30.953
- That must not have been easy.
695
00:33:31.020 --> 00:33:33.592
♪♪ ♪♪
696
00:33:33.659 --> 00:33:36.698
JENIFER: You know, hearing
he brought a woman in there
697
00:33:36.765 --> 00:33:39.971
and had sex with her...
698
00:33:40.038 --> 00:33:42.978
and didn't give a shit.
699
00:33:43.044 --> 00:33:45.148
And she's not the only one.
700
00:33:45.215 --> 00:33:46.618
- No.
JENIFER: We know that.
701
00:33:46.685 --> 00:33:48.522
- No, we know.
702
00:33:48.589 --> 00:33:50.192
FRIEND:
I came to your house once.
703
00:33:50.259 --> 00:33:51.494
He talked me into going,
704
00:33:51.562 --> 00:33:52.863
and I was just like, yeah,
705
00:33:52.930 --> 00:33:53.999
I'll come over quick.
706
00:33:54.066 --> 00:33:55.970
Whatever, you know?
707
00:33:56.037 --> 00:33:58.642
He said that you were
traveling or something.
708
00:33:58.709 --> 00:34:01.882
He took my hand,
and he took me upstairs.
709
00:34:01.949 --> 00:34:03.886
He had things set up
in the upper bedroom
710
00:34:03.953 --> 00:34:06.858
with, like, candles and shit.
711
00:34:06.925 --> 00:34:09.965
- Consequences shape behavior.
712
00:34:10.032 --> 00:34:13.572
FRIEND: He made me feel
like I was the only one.
713
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:15.643
RAMANI: In this case,
the rights of more
714
00:34:15.710 --> 00:34:17.580
and more people
are being violated
715
00:34:17.647 --> 00:34:20.118
because there's
no consideration of consequence
716
00:34:20.184 --> 00:34:22.590
because there's not been
a consequence.
717
00:34:22.657 --> 00:34:25.495
FRIEND: He knew he was taking
advantage of that.
718
00:34:29.537 --> 00:34:31.842
ANDREA: One of Jen's friends
was having an affair
719
00:34:31.909 --> 00:34:33.477
with Spencer.
720
00:34:33.545 --> 00:34:36.016
But it didn't
sit right with her.
721
00:34:36.083 --> 00:34:37.319
FRIEND: I was blindly
722
00:34:37.386 --> 00:34:39.089
taken advantage of.
723
00:34:39.156 --> 00:34:40.491
ANDREA:
And there was this moment
724
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.864
that kind of dawned on her
that...
725
00:34:42.930 --> 00:34:45.368
I'm not the only one.
726
00:34:45.435 --> 00:34:46.337
FRIEND: That was the point
727
00:34:46.404 --> 00:34:47.707
where I-I couldn't,
728
00:34:47.773 --> 00:34:49.376
and I told him no.
729
00:34:49.443 --> 00:34:52.517
And we got into an argument.
730
00:34:52.584 --> 00:34:54.988
I felt like I just couldn't do
this because of the regret
731
00:34:55.055 --> 00:34:57.928
I had for what I was doing
to you and my family.
732
00:34:57.994 --> 00:35:00.900
[dramatic music]
733
00:35:00.967 --> 00:35:02.971
♪♪ ♪♪
734
00:35:03.038 --> 00:35:05.075
I ended up telling my husband
on my own
735
00:35:05.141 --> 00:35:07.781
without him ever even
finding anything out,
736
00:35:07.847 --> 00:35:09.751
because it was just
eating at me.
737
00:35:09.818 --> 00:35:11.955
♪♪ ♪♪
738
00:35:12.022 --> 00:35:14.794
I'm like, I did something
really horrible.
739
00:35:14.861 --> 00:35:17.701
And he's like,
did you have sex?
740
00:35:17.767 --> 00:35:19.804
And I said yes.
741
00:35:19.871 --> 00:35:21.742
And that was
the utmost hardest thing
742
00:35:21.809 --> 00:35:23.812
I've ever had to do.
743
00:35:23.879 --> 00:35:26.284
[tense music]
744
00:35:26.350 --> 00:35:29.524
- Then her husband
confronted Spence.
745
00:35:29.591 --> 00:35:32.329
- And there was an extremely
heated conversation.
746
00:35:32.396 --> 00:35:34.701
♪♪ ♪♪
747
00:35:34.768 --> 00:35:36.738
FRIEND:
Just yelling and screaming.
748
00:35:36.805 --> 00:35:39.645
And he wanted
to rip him apart.
749
00:35:39.711 --> 00:35:43.117
JENIFER: Then years later,
after I found out,
750
00:35:43.184 --> 00:35:46.925
her husband calls me and says,
751
00:35:46.992 --> 00:35:48.796
"I have to tell you something.
752
00:35:48.862 --> 00:35:51.200
"I've known about this
for a few years now.
753
00:35:51.266 --> 00:35:53.773
"I found out
that something happened
754
00:35:53.839 --> 00:35:55.309
between the two of them."
755
00:35:55.375 --> 00:35:58.414
These are people living
in my town.
756
00:35:58.481 --> 00:36:03.057
And somehow Spence is able
to convince this husband
757
00:36:03.124 --> 00:36:05.996
not to say anything to me.
758
00:36:06.063 --> 00:36:08.067
♪♪ ♪♪
759
00:36:08.134 --> 00:36:09.670
You know, when you find out
760
00:36:09.737 --> 00:36:12.376
that not only
were you betrayed
761
00:36:12.443 --> 00:36:13.645
by someone you love
762
00:36:13.712 --> 00:36:16.117
but then betrayed
by other people
763
00:36:16.184 --> 00:36:18.388
that you thought
care about you,
764
00:36:18.454 --> 00:36:21.260
it's double the betrayal.
765
00:36:21.326 --> 00:36:22.763
It's double the hurt.
766
00:36:22.830 --> 00:36:25.435
♪♪ ♪♪
767
00:36:25.503 --> 00:36:29.410
How somebody is able to manage
768
00:36:29.477 --> 00:36:33.251
so many different people
at one time
769
00:36:33.318 --> 00:36:37.794
and then also come home and act
like the perfect husband...
770
00:36:37.861 --> 00:36:41.200
that is a answer
771
00:36:41.267 --> 00:36:43.939
I don't know
that I will ever find.
772
00:37:13.799 --> 00:37:16.805
JENIFER:
In doing the podcast,
773
00:37:16.872 --> 00:37:20.980
I had to relive things
again and again.
774
00:37:21.046 --> 00:37:23.686
ANDREA: One of the big things
that we've talked about was
775
00:37:23.752 --> 00:37:27.092
you really trying to figure out
the man you married.
776
00:37:27.158 --> 00:37:29.262
And so the purpose
and the decision
777
00:37:29.329 --> 00:37:32.369
for you to sit down
with the other women
778
00:37:32.436 --> 00:37:34.975
and just talk to them
was about...
779
00:37:35.041 --> 00:37:40.052
working through shame
and giving each other time...
780
00:37:40.118 --> 00:37:42.590
to release that shame.
781
00:37:42.657 --> 00:37:46.698
- Yeah, I think
those conversations...
782
00:37:46.765 --> 00:37:48.467
were great,
783
00:37:48.535 --> 00:37:51.774
and they held answers
to the questions I had.
784
00:37:51.841 --> 00:37:56.050
- What's important about your
journey is that you want to see
785
00:37:56.117 --> 00:37:59.991
the raw, ugly truth,
786
00:38:00.058 --> 00:38:02.930
and you're brave enough
and strong enough to face it.
787
00:38:02.997 --> 00:38:03.932
JENIFER:
Yeah.
788
00:38:03.999 --> 00:38:06.638
♪♪ ♪♪
789
00:38:06.705 --> 00:38:09.443
I think what I learned most
790
00:38:09.510 --> 00:38:12.616
from talking with the women
in the podcast...
791
00:38:13.952 --> 00:38:16.992
Was to have compassion
for them.
792
00:38:17.058 --> 00:38:18.863
Yes, they made a mistake.
793
00:38:18.929 --> 00:38:21.400
Yet they were also
very manipulated
794
00:38:21.467 --> 00:38:23.371
and used.
795
00:38:23.438 --> 00:38:25.475
♪♪ ♪♪
796
00:38:25.543 --> 00:38:28.616
GOULD:
But not only did Jen find out
797
00:38:28.682 --> 00:38:32.791
that Spencer was leading
a secret life
798
00:38:32.857 --> 00:38:35.996
and was lying
for all of these years
799
00:38:36.063 --> 00:38:37.700
and was cheating on her,
800
00:38:37.767 --> 00:38:41.608
but he also escalated
so much in his behaviors...
801
00:38:43.010 --> 00:38:46.416
That he became a predator
and a criminal.
802
00:38:49.256 --> 00:38:50.959
[school bell rings]
803
00:38:51.026 --> 00:38:53.497
WIGINGTON: Slowly I just
began to realize,
804
00:38:53.565 --> 00:38:56.938
okay, he cheated on her
every day.
805
00:38:57.005 --> 00:39:00.780
If he is this addicted,
806
00:39:00.847 --> 00:39:02.483
yes, he did.
807
00:39:02.550 --> 00:39:04.521
He did it.
He had sex with a student.
808
00:39:04.587 --> 00:39:07.526
[dark music]
809
00:39:07.593 --> 00:39:10.699
♪♪ ♪♪
810
00:39:10.766 --> 00:39:14.607
- I would go online and look up
every police report...
811
00:39:16.077 --> 00:39:18.816
Anything that they posted
that was public record,
812
00:39:18.882 --> 00:39:22.724
because I wanted
to know the truth.
813
00:39:22.791 --> 00:39:27.265
I found out that he had been
sexually assaulting
814
00:39:27.332 --> 00:39:30.371
the student for two years.
815
00:39:30.438 --> 00:39:32.943
The grooming started
when she was 15.
816
00:39:33.010 --> 00:39:36.718
The sex might have started
when she was 16.
817
00:39:36.784 --> 00:39:39.557
ANDREA: The age of consent
in Georgia is 16,
818
00:39:39.624 --> 00:39:40.993
but the way that it works
in Georgia
819
00:39:41.059 --> 00:39:43.732
is that it is illegal
for a teacher
820
00:39:43.799 --> 00:39:46.972
to have any sexual relationship
with a student,
821
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:50.411
no matter what age--
even if you're 18.
822
00:39:50.478 --> 00:39:53.786
So Spencer was not arrested
for statutory rape.
823
00:39:53.852 --> 00:39:56.591
He was arrested for sexually
assaulting a student.
824
00:39:56.658 --> 00:39:58.595
Spencer was in jail,
825
00:39:58.662 --> 00:40:01.602
between the arrest
and the court date,
826
00:40:01.668 --> 00:40:03.437
about six months.
827
00:40:03.505 --> 00:40:06.210
JENIFER: He couldn't afford
a defense attorney,
828
00:40:06.276 --> 00:40:08.347
so he had a public defender.
829
00:40:08.414 --> 00:40:10.385
And he did not like that
one bit.
830
00:40:10.452 --> 00:40:12.623
♪♪ ♪♪
831
00:40:12.690 --> 00:40:14.125
FLYNN BROADY JR:
Normally what will happen is,
832
00:40:14.192 --> 00:40:16.297
based on the case,
based on their history,
833
00:40:16.364 --> 00:40:17.967
we'll make
a plea recommendation
834
00:40:18.034 --> 00:40:19.336
to the defense attorney.
835
00:40:19.402 --> 00:40:21.842
And then the defense attorney
takes that to the defendant
836
00:40:21.908 --> 00:40:23.278
and then makes the decision
837
00:40:23.344 --> 00:40:25.682
whether they want to go
to trial.
838
00:40:25.749 --> 00:40:28.354
- And so he pled guilty.
839
00:40:28.421 --> 00:40:30.993
♪♪ ♪♪
840
00:40:31.060 --> 00:40:34.033
WIGINGTON: And I think
that people just were shocked
841
00:40:34.099 --> 00:40:36.270
in that moment.
842
00:40:36.337 --> 00:40:37.472
There were still people
843
00:40:37.540 --> 00:40:39.175
who just didn't believe
that he did it
844
00:40:39.242 --> 00:40:41.782
and thought he was just
kind of taking an easy way out.
845
00:40:41.848 --> 00:40:44.152
And they were like,
well, why did he do that?
846
00:40:44.219 --> 00:40:47.159
♪♪ ♪♪
847
00:40:47.226 --> 00:40:50.866
- In Cobb County, they found
evidence for five events
848
00:40:50.933 --> 00:40:52.737
where they actually had
sexual contact.
849
00:40:52.803 --> 00:40:54.807
He would probably
be easily found guilty
850
00:40:54.874 --> 00:40:58.147
based on, um, the evidence
that came forward in the case.
851
00:40:58.214 --> 00:41:00.451
♪♪ ♪♪
852
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.756
- In court,
Spencer made the request
853
00:41:02.823 --> 00:41:06.196
to talk
to the victim's parents.
854
00:41:08.034 --> 00:41:10.238
JENIFER: Maybe he thought,
I bet I can convince them
855
00:41:10.305 --> 00:41:14.681
that I'm too good of a guy
to--to go to prison.
856
00:41:15.582 --> 00:41:19.223
They said, we don't want to
hear anything you have to say.
857
00:41:19.289 --> 00:41:21.260
And...
858
00:41:21.327 --> 00:41:23.230
good for them,
859
00:41:23.297 --> 00:41:27.138
because I really believe
that Spence thinks
860
00:41:27.205 --> 00:41:30.011
that he can talk himself
out of things.
861
00:41:30.077 --> 00:41:32.983
[dark music]
862
00:41:33.050 --> 00:41:35.188
Spence had sent out
this letter
863
00:41:35.254 --> 00:41:37.225
to all of our friends
and family,
864
00:41:37.292 --> 00:41:41.734
asking for people
to write references for him.
865
00:41:41.801 --> 00:41:45.709
A couple of his friends wrote
letters of support.
866
00:41:45.776 --> 00:41:47.279
"He's such a great guy.
867
00:41:47.345 --> 00:41:48.715
"He's the Eagle Scout,
868
00:41:48.781 --> 00:41:52.590
dad, Air Force,
Teacher of the Year."
869
00:41:52.656 --> 00:41:55.195
I couldn't do it.
870
00:41:55.261 --> 00:41:57.498
How do you write a letter
about someone
871
00:41:57.566 --> 00:41:59.402
and say that they're
a good person
872
00:41:59.469 --> 00:42:02.108
if you know that they...
873
00:42:02.175 --> 00:42:04.614
sexually assaulted
874
00:42:04.681 --> 00:42:09.189
a 16-year-old girl
at 48, 49 years old?
875
00:42:09.256 --> 00:42:11.928
♪♪ ♪♪
876
00:42:13.966 --> 00:42:15.969
NEWSCASTER: In Cobb County,
Spencer Herron,
877
00:42:16.036 --> 00:42:17.573
the former
Teacher of the Year,
878
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:21.046
is headed to prison
for having sex with a student.
879
00:42:21.113 --> 00:42:25.889
SINGER: ♪♪ I'm praying
for an angel to come ♪♪
880
00:42:25.956 --> 00:42:30.732
♪♪ I'm waiting
for a star to fall ♪♪
881
00:42:30.799 --> 00:42:34.641
♪♪ Standing at the edge
of the shore ♪♪
882
00:42:34.708 --> 00:42:36.143
♪♪ Oh, yeah ♪♪
883
00:42:36.210 --> 00:42:40.920
♪♪ Waiting for the rain
to fall ♪♪
884
00:42:40.986 --> 00:42:44.760
- Spence was sentenced
in January of 2019.
885
00:42:44.827 --> 00:42:49.502
SINGER:
♪♪ You know the damage is done ♪♪
886
00:42:49.570 --> 00:42:51.541
♪♪ ♪♪
887
00:42:51.608 --> 00:42:53.176
- He was sentenced to 20 years,
888
00:42:53.243 --> 00:42:57.318
5 in confinement
and then 15 on probation.
889
00:42:57.385 --> 00:43:00.291
- I stayed in touch with him
until the day he was convicted.
890
00:43:00.358 --> 00:43:02.796
SINGER: ♪♪ Through the dark,
I see your eyes ♪♪
891
00:43:02.863 --> 00:43:05.135
♪♪ Calling me
into the half-light ♪♪
892
00:43:05.201 --> 00:43:07.305
♪♪ All I can see is an outline ♪♪
893
00:43:07.372 --> 00:43:11.581
JENIFER: That same day,
our divorce was finalized.
894
00:43:11.647 --> 00:43:14.053
SINGER: ♪♪ I lay it to rest
for the last time ♪♪
895
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:17.291
♪♪ You know the damage is done ♪♪
896
00:43:17.358 --> 00:43:19.329
- There is a distinction
between what he did
897
00:43:19.395 --> 00:43:22.937
with Jenifer and breaking
that marriage vow...
898
00:43:23.004 --> 00:43:26.110
and making
a conscious decision
899
00:43:26.176 --> 00:43:28.548
to engage in that behavior
with a student.
900
00:43:28.615 --> 00:43:30.686
♪♪ ♪♪
901
00:43:30.753 --> 00:43:33.324
As 16-year-old kids,
902
00:43:33.391 --> 00:43:36.163
we don't know what the fuck's
going on with the world.
903
00:43:36.229 --> 00:43:38.735
And we don't know what's even
going on in our heads.
904
00:43:38.802 --> 00:43:40.906
There's so many things
that are just happening
905
00:43:40.973 --> 00:43:44.078
that we just don't understand.
906
00:43:58.675 --> 00:44:00.745
- Go and have as many affairs
907
00:44:00.812 --> 00:44:03.618
with as many women as you want.
908
00:44:03.685 --> 00:44:05.722
But why would you prey
on a child?
909
00:44:05.789 --> 00:44:08.327
♪♪ ♪♪
910
00:44:14.807 --> 00:44:16.911
[music ends]
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