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(DRAMATIC PULSATING MUSIC)
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(TRAIN HORN BLARES)
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(SOMBRE VOCAL MUSIC)
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(WOMAN PRAYS IN HEBREW)
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(BAKING PAPER RUSTLES)
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WOMAN: Even if I don't pray
three times a day,
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I definitely have a very deep
spiritual connection to God.
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I will just talk to God,
you know?
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"Please, God, make the dough
work today,"
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'cause of the one day
of filming,
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I don't want the dough
to not work, things like that.
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But, like, I will talk to God
at all different times.
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It's the judges and the lawyers
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and it's all the annoying people
who are doing all these things,
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but God is running the world
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and this is
what's coming from him,
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so I have to accept that
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and I think I'll feel that
way also about the verdict.
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I will hope
that she's found guilty,
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but that will test
my faith, for sure.
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Yeah.
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(GENTLE BIRDSONG)
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NICOLE: My sisters and I are
each on such different journeys
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in regards to faith,
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and we just respect each other
where we're at.
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-(CAT MEOWS)
-Good boy, Stormy.
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Good boy. Leah's gonna
come pick you up now.
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Good boy.
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Oh, he's so scared. Poor thing.
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(STORMY MEOWS)
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I just wanted to let you know,
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I'm really
struggling with, like,
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really low blood pressure
at the moment,
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so I've got some medication
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that pushes up my blood pressure
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and I'm gonna try
and time the medication
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to fit in with the breaks
in court.
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(VOICE FADES)
I'm just going to need somewhere
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that I can lie down
with my feet up.
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NICOLE: Whoa, Dassi,
that's close.
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Chams, it's not that close.
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NICOLE: You're, like,
half in this lane.
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DASSI: You're being such
a side-seat driver today.
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Do you want me to get out
and you drive?
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-NICOLE: No, thanks.
-DASSI: I'm nervous.
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NICOLE: Are you still waking up
in the middle of the night
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and not being able
to fall back asleep again
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or has that changed?
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No, that's a...
that's a forever thing for me.
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I always sleep better when me
and you and Elly are together.
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NICOLE: Hey, we're five
minutes away from you.
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I forgot my toothpaste,
my brush and my toothbrush.
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Do you have a new one?
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-ELLY: I should have.
-DASSI: And toothpaste.
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Because I also
don't have toothpaste.
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And toothpaste,
'cause Dassi didn't bring.
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'Cause I was relying
on Chams's toothpaste.
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-ELLY: Love you.
-MAN: Say, "I love you, Mama."
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-She's too busy.
-Too busy.
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Yeah, there's too many things
going on.
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OK, alright.
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I love you.
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Love you too.
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ELLY: Thank you for
taking care of everything today.
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Danny and I did quite
a bit of preparation today.
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He's not my therapist,
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but I don't have a therapist
at the moment,
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so he's doing all
the preparation with me
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and he's really good.
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-'Bye, Maddie.
-DANNY: Say, "Bye-bye, Mama."
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-(MADDIE SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY)
-The bear goes to sleep.
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-Bear goes to sleep.
-OK, that's OK.
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Alright, love you.
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DANNY: Bye-bye.
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-ELLY: Hello.
-NICOLE: Hello.
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OK, so put her in the back
next to you,
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'cause there's no room
in the boot for that.
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-I'm sitting like that?
-Yeah, that's fine. Perfect.
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-ELLY: Yeah, OK.
-I'm sitting on this side.
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ELLY: Alright. OK.
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(CAR DOOR SHUTS)
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(TRAFFIC HUBBUB)
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ELLY: Nicole, Dassi and I
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decided that to be in
the best headspace for trial,
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we should rent a apartment
close to the courts.
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O...3, right here.
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We're actually doing this now.
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DASSI: So that we can be there
to support each other,
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but also so that we can
separate, as much as possible,
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that trauma
from the rest of our lives
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because we all knew that we were
gonna struggle with that.
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Are you sure
we're in the right place,
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and and this is not
someone else's place?
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We all knew that
it had an impact
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on our partners
or kids or friends.
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We wanted to separate that
as much as possible.
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Can I have this bedroom?
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-Um, do you want to toss a coin?
-Should we work it out, Dassi?
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There's three different
study spaces, which is great.
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DASSI: We're not doing
any prep tonight.
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No, I don't...
Are you doing prep tonight?
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No. Until it actually happens...
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NICOLE: But it's happening
this Tuesday.
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-I know. I know.
-NICOLE: This Tuesday.
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But in my mind, it's like,
"Maybe it's not for sure,"
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so I don't want to get
into that headspace.
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I feel you, but this now
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has made it, like, one step
closer to feeling real.
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ELLY: Being together
through trial and before trial
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was the best decision we made.
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That became our haven
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away from all the horrors
of the courtroom.
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-(SOMBRE VOCAL MUSIC)
-(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK)
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REPORTER: Ms Leifer,
do you have anything to say
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to the alleged victims?
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NEWSREADER: On to the case
of a school principal
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wanted in Australia
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for more than 70 counts
of sexual offences.
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REPORTER: The allegations
dated back two decades
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to Malka Leifer's time
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as the head of the ultra-
Orthodox Adass Israel School.
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NEWSREADER 2: Where she's
charged with 74 counts
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of rape and sexual assault.
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REPORTER 2:
Malka Leifer fled Melbourne
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after the first allegation
surfaced.
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REPORTER 3: Malka Leifer
has been holed up
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in an ultra-Orthodox
settlement in the West Bank.
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MAN: This was someone that's
actively pursuing little girls.
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NEWSREADER 3: The ongoing fight
to extradite Malka Leifer,
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straining relations
between the two countries.
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REPORTER 4:
As the trial of Malka Leifer
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gets underway in Melbourne,
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the question is,
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why did it take 15 years
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to bring her to justice?
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And what is the cost
to the alleged victims?
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(SOMBRE VOCAL MUSIC FADES)
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(SPARSE MUSIC)
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DASSI: I grew up
incredibly isolated
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from the world
outside of my community.
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(TRAM BELL DINGS)
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The Adass community
is based in East St Kilda.
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It's around 250 to 300 families
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that live almost
in a 4-block radius
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and don't really go out
of that 4-block radius.
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MAN:
Adass is its own little world
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within the Jewish community
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and even within
the Orthodox Jewish community.
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Very, very insular.
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It's a very fundamentalist
part of Judaism.
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WOMAN: It has
very deep traditions
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that bind family ties.
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It's a insular, caring community
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that takes care of each other.
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WOMAN 2: Girls helped
around the house.
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They got off school
two weeks early
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before major festivals
like Passover
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so they could clean the house.
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Even when they were kids,
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they were being geared up
to being wives.
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Men and women were kept
completely separate,
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in different schools.
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ASHLEY: They would do
the absolute bare minimum
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as required by the government -
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very basic numeracy
and literacy -
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but otherwise
it is entirely based
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in Jewish text, Jewish learning.
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Therefore, their exposure
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and understanding of the world
around them is negligible.
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They don't have internet at
home, don't have TV at home.
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BEN: It's built on
secrecy, privacy.
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Anything that arises, it's all
taken up within the community.
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If you have a dispute, there's
no need to take it outside.
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Everything is kept in-house.
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-(SIREN BLARES IN DISTANCE)
-(TRAFFIC HUBBUB)
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(UNEASY MUSIC RISES AND FADES)
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So this is the, um, $9.20
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that I have received
with my summons
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for the Malka Leifer trial,
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and that's for help
to get to the court
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by tram or by public transport,
whatever I feel like.
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So I'm feeling
a little bit rich.
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Feeling a little bit rich today.
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NICOLE: We haven't been
prepared in any way
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how to speak on the stand
or told how to do this.
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We've just been given
a page of charges.
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It gives us the location or
the particular for each charge,
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so whether it was
an office or at camp,
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depending on each incident,
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where the abuse happened.
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And then I need to read
through my statement
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and all the detail
has to be memorised
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in chronological order.
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So I'm just trying
to be comfortable
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with saying words that I find
very difficult to say.
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ELLY: I have a timeline
that I've drawn up
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from the day I was born
until today
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with any significant events
over the years,
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and then I can visualise
the timeline
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when I'm answering questions.
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Especially with trauma,
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there's just
so many details of events
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that sometimes blur
into each other
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and I just don't wanna get
overwhelmed
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with the amount of questions
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that are asked
in different ways.
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(MURMURS)
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DASSI: Because I know what it's
like to be in that headspace,
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I'm just terrified
of going back there.
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Like, I'm seeing her
in my head all the time
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and I'm seeing what she did to
me again and again and again,
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because I'm reading about
those incidents
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again and again and again.
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(DASSI CONTINUES MURMURING)
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I don't even
have to close my eyes.
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It's just constantly
playing there.
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When I'm in there, I don't
want to be around anyone.
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I don't want to be a parent.
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My daughter's
staying with her dad.
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But I need to get into that
headspace to be on the stand.
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ELLY: I will go home soon.
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I need to be a mum
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and put this
to the back of my head
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and be there for my daughter.
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That's the most
important thing to me.
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I just want to give her
the best version of me
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and that's not with these...
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..memories...
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..being a dark cloud
over our time.
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(SWITCH CLICKS)
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(SOMBRE MUSIC)
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NICOLE: My sisters and I
shared one room.
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There was a bunk bed
where my two sisters slept.
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I slept on a trundle
that was pulled out at night.
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Above that were three shelves.
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The bottom shelf
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was all these little
miniature beds, bookshelves,
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tiny little china plates,
forks and knives.
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Plenty of times,
inserted myself into that world
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because that world on that shelf
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looked a whole lot better
than the one that I was in.
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DASSI: The feelings that
I felt every single day
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as a child - fear and hunger.
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My mother was very abusive.
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There was a lot of physical,
mental and emotional abuse.
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My father supported my mother
in the abuse.
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And he wasn't
a safe person himself.
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ELLY: I just can't understand
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how anyone could do
what they did.
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That little me didn't deserve
that kind of pain.
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School was a haven for us...
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..in comparison
to our home life.
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Malka Leifer chose vulnerable
people from complex backgrounds.
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DASSI: I think
my first interaction with her
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was when I was around 16.
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And she pulled me into
her office and she said,
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"I know about
the abuse at home."
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She said
she wanted to support me.
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There was nothing I wanted
to hear more in that moment.
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ELLY: Someone had given me
a small amount of care,
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asked me about me.
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That casual conversation
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made me feel like
a million dollars.
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NICOLE: For me,
it was the connection.
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As a child, always looking for
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that kind of connection and
attachment and never had that.
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I think that's what drew me in.
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ELLY: There started to be touch,
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a small touch,
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just a hand on a shoulder
or a hand on the leg.
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NICOLE: She would put
my hair behind my ear
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or keep her hand
for a long time on my thigh.
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That's how it slowly escalated.
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ELLY: There was no reason
not to trust her.
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DASSI: She's a leader
in the community,
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equivalent to a rabbi.
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There was this trust
that we wouldn't say anything,
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but at the same time
we didn't know to say anything
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because we didn't know
that it was wrong
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and she knew that.
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(PEOPLE CHATTER)
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DASSI: In 2008, I was in Israel,
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married to my ex-husband
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and I was trying to understand
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why it felt so wrong what
had happened with Malka Leifer
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and I was trying to understand
why I was having thoughts
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I was having,
the dreams I was having,
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the flashbacks I was having.
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CHANA: Dassi got married
to the person her parents chose,
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pushed her into.
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She had her hands on a computer
for the first time in her life.
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It was my first kind of foray
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into this world
outside of my community.
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Landing up on
these sexual websites
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that I didn't understand at all.
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I was at the time really
struggling to get pregnant
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and I thought, "Well,
God was making me infertile
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"because I was looking up stuff
on the internet,"
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and it was actually that
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that led me to go see
Chana Rabinowitz.
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Dassi's describing and feeling
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that she was a bad,
terrible person
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and that she needed
to be punished.
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I just remember
that slowly built up
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to ask her very quietly,
"Somebody hurt you?"
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And I responded, "Yes."
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She said to me...
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.."You need to tell me
who it is."
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And I said to her,
"I can't. I can't do that."
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I mean, I had still such a huge
amount of fear of Malka Leifer.
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I just remember her
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going into herself
and whispering.
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Hearing her reveal that it
was Malka Leifer was a shock.
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Leifer brought me in
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to do some work for
the Adass Israel School
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while I lived in Australia.
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I told her to call Nicole
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and the next thing
I remember is, you know,
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Nicole calling me up later
that night and saying,
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"What did you say
and what's gonna happen next?"
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And I remember just being
utterly terrified.
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NICOLE: All I remember is
telling Chana Rabinowitz,
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"It's true,
because she also did it to me."
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And I had no idea
what was going to unfold
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after I said those words.
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CHANA: A woman who works
for the school
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spoke to her daughter
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who revealed to her that
she had also been a victim.
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That woman then went
to the rabbi in the community.
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That's when it opened up
and they believed it,
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when it was more than
a few accusations.
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Those allegations were then
taken to the school board
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and the board met
at a private home.
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At that meeting,
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Leifer was confronted with
the allegations.
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She denied the allegations.
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The focus then became
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to get her out of the country
as quickly as possible.
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And within four or five hours,
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she and some of their children
had left the country,
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and that was facilitated
by the connections
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of some of the board members.
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REPORTER: This is
the Adass Israel Girls School
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in inner Melbourne.
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The Melbourne Adass community -
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it's very small, ultra-Orthodox,
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and is considered reclusive,
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even by the wider
Jewish community.
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Today that anonymity was pierced
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when
the 'Australian Jewish News'
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published reports
that the female principal
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of the girls school,
Malka Leifer,
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a mother of eight,
had been stood down
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because of allegations
of improper behaviour
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with her students.
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ASHLEY: The source was someone
who knew the family
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and was a parent at the school.
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This guy was really emotional.
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He was in tears at one stage,
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and he was saying, "These girls,
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"their lives have been destroyed
by this woman.
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"They won't be able to marry.
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"They'll be seen as unclean
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"and not worthy
by the Adass community."
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TED: At the meeting
of board members,
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their first instinct
should have been,
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"We have to report this
to police."
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Their first instinct
instead was,
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"We have to get Leifer
out of the country."
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Shove it under the carpet,
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send the problem somewhere else
away from the community.
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That was the way
that it was done.
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They wanted to protect
their community.
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00:18:17,462 --> 00:18:19,081
The president of the board
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is a very responsible,
upstanding person
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whose life has been...
(SCOFFS) ..so affected by this
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and he totally believed
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that they were doing the right
thing for the community.
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WOMAN: If Leifer had have
remained in the country
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and faced the music at that time
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that the allegations
first came out,
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we could have had
a different case.
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Potentially done and dusted,
average two to three years.
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May have had more complainants
come forward,
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if they felt safe enough
to do so.
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That moment in time
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where they collectively
chose to send her overseas
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instead of turning her in
to the police
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or opening up an investigation
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defined the next 15 years
of our life.
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NICOLE: She possibly left Israel
to begin with
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to come to the other side
of the world
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because she was fleeing the fact
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that she had abused
in that country as well.
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WOMAN: We know that
she allegedly molested
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at least one girl
in the school in Bnei Brak
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and then we know
she moved to Melbourne.
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00:19:27,973 --> 00:19:29,973
(MAN SPEAKS
HEBREW)
402
00:19:36,852 --> 00:19:38,852
(WOMAN SPEAKS
HEBREW)
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00:19:56,250 --> 00:19:58,249
(MAN SPEAKS
HEBREW)
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00:20:06,408 --> 00:20:09,268
They told her,
"OK, you need to move.
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00:20:09,368 --> 00:20:11,468
In the Haredi community,
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00:20:11,568 --> 00:20:12,908
that's how it goes.
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00:20:13,008 --> 00:20:14,867
If they move the abuser
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00:20:14,967 --> 00:20:17,467
to another school
or another city,
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00:20:17,567 --> 00:20:21,047
they know it is gonna hurt
another kid.
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00:20:22,006 --> 00:20:26,066
I assume there is at least
one, two or three people
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00:20:26,166 --> 00:20:28,466
in Australia that knew.
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They're smart enough
not to ask the question.
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00:20:43,884 --> 00:20:45,664
DANIELLE: When the sisters
first made their statements,
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they were so lengthy,
there were so many incidents.
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00:20:48,363 --> 00:20:51,183
All the girls did
such an incredible job
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00:20:51,283 --> 00:20:54,063
in providing their version
of events and their story,
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especially to a stranger.
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DASSI: I sat down with Danielle
in an interview room.
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I didn't know how to say some
of the things I needed to say.
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But she was incredibly
patient and kind
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and I felt understood
and heard and believed.
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00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,220
NICOLE: When I gave
my police statement in 2011,
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everything seemed so simple
and straightforward.
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Papers to Canberra,
go and pick her up from Israel.
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00:21:21,199 --> 00:21:23,099
DANIELLE: No-one saw
that it was gonna take so long
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to bring her back
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00:21:24,239 --> 00:21:26,419
and the lengths that she went to
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to remain out of the country.
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00:21:28,518 --> 00:21:32,978
I was disappointed
that the system in Israel
430
00:21:33,078 --> 00:21:35,817
hadn't processed
the extradition promptly,
431
00:21:35,917 --> 00:21:39,097
but Israel
is a complicated place.
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00:21:39,197 --> 00:21:41,097
Its politics
is very complicated,
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00:21:41,197 --> 00:21:45,276
particularly within
the ultra-Orthodox communities.
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DASSI: In 2014,
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Elly and I decided
to travel overseas.
436
00:21:52,755 --> 00:21:56,335
We were tourists exploring
this new land in this new way,
437
00:21:56,435 --> 00:21:58,515
'cause we're both not religious
at the time.
438
00:22:00,035 --> 00:22:03,054
By that time,
I had divorced Josh.
439
00:22:03,154 --> 00:22:04,614
We had a brilliant holiday
440
00:22:04,714 --> 00:22:07,494
and I remember sitting
on the beaches with Elly
441
00:22:07,594 --> 00:22:09,053
drinking a pina colada
442
00:22:09,153 --> 00:22:11,733
and suddenly hearing
that Malka Leifer
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has been arrested in Israel.
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00:22:16,073 --> 00:22:18,292
REPORTER:
Six years after fleeing,
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the law caught up with Leifer.
446
00:22:20,432 --> 00:22:22,052
NEWSREADER:
Today, authorities in Israel
447
00:22:22,152 --> 00:22:23,732
arrested Malka Leifer
448
00:22:23,832 --> 00:22:25,851
over the alleged sexual assault
of students
449
00:22:25,951 --> 00:22:28,091
at a Victorian
Jewish girls school.
450
00:22:28,191 --> 00:22:31,411
The mother of eight is wanted
to face prosecution.
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00:22:31,511 --> 00:22:32,811
NICOLE: It came
so out of the blue.
452
00:22:32,911 --> 00:22:35,250
Whose desk did that paper
land on that said,
453
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:36,810
"OK, go and arrest her now"?
454
00:22:36,910 --> 00:22:38,910
I still don't even
know that properly.
455
00:22:39,910 --> 00:22:42,729
She starts playing
the system immediately.
456
00:22:42,829 --> 00:22:45,289
MAN: It was not easy
from the beginning.
457
00:22:45,389 --> 00:22:49,449
The district court
would not even detain her,
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and second,
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00:22:51,028 --> 00:22:52,528
she had really good lawyers,
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00:22:52,628 --> 00:22:54,568
very good lawyers.
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00:22:54,668 --> 00:22:57,228
(MAN SPEAKS HEBREW)
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00:23:05,907 --> 00:23:09,806
MATAN: Leifer was diagnosed
by the district psychiatrist
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00:23:09,906 --> 00:23:11,526
unfit to stand trial.
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00:23:11,626 --> 00:23:16,805
She actually did not show up
to most of the court hearings.
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The court didn't grant
permission for her not to come.
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00:23:20,025 --> 00:23:21,565
She just didn't come.
467
00:23:21,665 --> 00:23:23,964
MATAN: Each time,
she was hospitalised
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00:23:24,064 --> 00:23:25,884
a few days before
the court hearings.
469
00:23:25,984 --> 00:23:29,044
She's not well the day before
she arrives at court.
470
00:23:29,144 --> 00:23:31,043
Isn't that one plus one
equals two?
471
00:23:31,143 --> 00:23:34,203
How could a judge, a senior
judge, not see through that?
472
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DASSI: Nothing really changes,
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just doesn't turn up
at court hearings.
474
00:23:37,463 --> 00:23:38,563
The court hearings
can't go ahead
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00:23:38,663 --> 00:23:39,762
because that's
the law in Israel.
476
00:23:39,862 --> 00:23:42,082
AVITAL: We were at an impasse.
477
00:23:42,182 --> 00:23:43,922
It just kept on getting delayed.
478
00:23:44,022 --> 00:23:45,722
REPORTER:
Malka Leifer has managed
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to avoid seven court hearings,
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with her lawyers
arguing that she's unwell,
481
00:23:50,501 --> 00:23:53,161
suffering panic attacks
and depression
482
00:23:53,261 --> 00:23:55,681
whenever a court date nears.
483
00:23:55,781 --> 00:23:57,960
-(CHILDREN EXCLAIM)
-(BIRDS TWITTER)
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00:23:58,060 --> 00:24:00,100
(CHURCH BELL TOLLS)
485
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WOMAN: There was one of
the Australian sisters
486
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who lived here in Manchester.
487
00:24:07,979 --> 00:24:10,439
She was visited
and really pressured
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00:24:10,539 --> 00:24:15,538
into somehow putting a stop
to this case going forward.
489
00:24:16,538 --> 00:24:17,678
BEN: Family's all in Melbourne
490
00:24:17,778 --> 00:24:20,318
and my sister Dalia
was in Manchester.
491
00:24:20,418 --> 00:24:24,577
Dalia was a principal
of an ultra-religious school.
492
00:24:25,577 --> 00:24:27,277
Highly religious
observant woman,
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00:24:27,377 --> 00:24:29,876
very well respected
and senior in her community.
494
00:24:29,976 --> 00:24:32,316
A pair of fixers
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00:24:32,416 --> 00:24:34,236
came from Israel
496
00:24:34,336 --> 00:24:38,115
solely to harass and threaten
Dalia and her family.
497
00:24:38,215 --> 00:24:41,755
NICOLE: They would basically
make her life miserable.
498
00:24:41,855 --> 00:24:44,395
They threatened her
with losing her job,
499
00:24:44,495 --> 00:24:46,154
marriage prospects
for her children,
500
00:24:46,254 --> 00:24:47,914
her name in the community,
501
00:24:48,014 --> 00:24:51,654
if Dalia does not tell us
to drop the case.
502
00:24:53,254 --> 00:24:55,953
YEHUDIS: If you're a boy and you
grow up in the Haredi community
503
00:24:56,053 --> 00:24:58,073
and you're not the type
504
00:24:58,173 --> 00:25:00,913
who's gonna become
a respected rabbi,
505
00:25:01,013 --> 00:25:03,232
there's really, really
limited options,
506
00:25:03,332 --> 00:25:07,432
but one of those options for
prestige is becoming a fixer.
507
00:25:07,532 --> 00:25:11,631
SHANA: Not completely
unlike the political fixers.
508
00:25:11,731 --> 00:25:15,031
It's a combination
of PR and bullying.
509
00:25:15,131 --> 00:25:17,071
For a long time,
people blamed the rabbis
510
00:25:17,171 --> 00:25:18,590
that the issue of sexual abuse
511
00:25:18,690 --> 00:25:20,830
isn't being resolved
because of the rabbis,
512
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:23,030
but I think it's much more
about these fixers.
513
00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:26,150
They have a tremendous amount
of power.
514
00:25:26,250 --> 00:25:28,549
They spread
misinformation campaigns
515
00:25:28,649 --> 00:25:31,549
in order to run the victims
out of town
516
00:25:31,649 --> 00:25:33,709
or back them into
a corner usually
517
00:25:33,809 --> 00:25:35,808
so that they will drop the case.
518
00:25:36,608 --> 00:25:38,628
NICOLE: Even though
it was stressing her out,
519
00:25:38,728 --> 00:25:40,708
she was not telling me,
520
00:25:40,808 --> 00:25:43,427
"Stop what you're doing
because this is impacting me,"
521
00:25:43,527 --> 00:25:45,947
but I could see it was really,
really, really stressing her.
522
00:25:46,047 --> 00:25:48,587
DASSI: It was during
that same period of time
523
00:25:48,687 --> 00:25:52,666
that Dalia started
suffering with chest pains
524
00:25:52,766 --> 00:25:54,626
for the first time in her life
525
00:25:54,726 --> 00:25:57,306
and ended up in hospital.
526
00:25:57,406 --> 00:25:59,565
And then a week or two later,
she passed away.
527
00:26:01,405 --> 00:26:04,225
YEHUDIS: That story is held
as kind of a cautionary tale.
528
00:26:04,325 --> 00:26:07,345
"Look what happened to
the Australian sisters' sister."
529
00:26:07,445 --> 00:26:09,784
You could have
that knock on your door
530
00:26:09,884 --> 00:26:14,124
and nobody's heart can withstand
that type of pressure.
531
00:26:19,323 --> 00:26:21,263
REPORTER: For almost
two years now,
532
00:26:21,363 --> 00:26:26,462
Malka Leifer has managed to
evade extradition proceedings.
533
00:26:26,562 --> 00:26:28,302
Finally, in 2016,
534
00:26:28,402 --> 00:26:32,821
a judge decides that
she is actually mentally unwell
535
00:26:32,921 --> 00:26:34,581
and she is not gonna
face justice.
536
00:26:34,681 --> 00:26:36,421
REPORTER: Overnight,
an Israeli judge
537
00:26:36,521 --> 00:26:39,301
ruled she was mentally unfit
to face extradition
538
00:26:39,401 --> 00:26:41,100
and lifted
a home detention order
539
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,300
that had been in place
since 2014.
540
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,560
Malka Leifer
is now free in Israel.
541
00:26:50,639 --> 00:26:52,819
REPORTER 2: Malka Leifer
has been holed up
542
00:26:52,919 --> 00:26:55,739
in an ultra-Orthodox settlement
in the West Bank
543
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:58,698
hiding from her dark past.
544
00:26:58,798 --> 00:27:01,618
NICOLE: Even after she fled,
545
00:27:01,718 --> 00:27:04,498
there were allegations that
she had abused in Immanuel
546
00:27:04,598 --> 00:27:06,597
during those years as well.
547
00:27:07,557 --> 00:27:09,897
REPORTER 2: Daniel and his
daughter had lived in Immanuel
548
00:27:09,997 --> 00:27:11,337
for several years
549
00:27:11,437 --> 00:27:15,616
when, in 2016, the Leifer family
moved to town.
550
00:27:15,716 --> 00:27:18,376
Leifer was by that stage
on the run.
551
00:27:18,476 --> 00:27:22,495
Daniel says authorities
in Immanuel turned a blind eye
552
00:27:22,595 --> 00:27:24,575
and alleges Leifer
553
00:27:24,675 --> 00:27:27,775
was soon teaching and abusing
his daughter.
554
00:27:27,875 --> 00:27:29,875
(MAN SPEAKS ENGLISH)
555
00:27:35,354 --> 00:27:38,693
MAN: This was someone that's
actively pursuing little girls,
556
00:27:38,793 --> 00:27:40,793
actively grooming them.
557
00:27:43,033 --> 00:27:45,673
(WOMAN SPEAKS HEBREW)
558
00:28:12,469 --> 00:28:14,729
(PHONE RINGS)
559
00:28:14,829 --> 00:28:17,189
(CONVERSATION IN HEBREW)
560
00:28:56,264 --> 00:28:58,264
(DOG BARKS)
561
00:28:59,784 --> 00:29:03,843
SHANA: The community in Immanuel
is extremely ultra-Orthodox.
562
00:29:03,943 --> 00:29:05,403
In some ways, even more insular
563
00:29:05,503 --> 00:29:07,443
than some other
ultra-Orthodox communities
564
00:29:07,543 --> 00:29:11,082
because its geographical
location, it's isolated.
565
00:29:11,182 --> 00:29:13,642
A very large percentage of them
566
00:29:13,742 --> 00:29:15,202
definitely do not have internet.
567
00:29:15,302 --> 00:29:17,901
Large portions of the community
live under the poverty line.
568
00:29:19,381 --> 00:29:22,881
MAN: I do believe that
the ultra-Orthodox community
569
00:29:22,981 --> 00:29:24,841
breed child sexual abuse.
570
00:29:24,941 --> 00:29:26,680
Why is that?
571
00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:28,480
There is no sex education.
572
00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:32,920
ELLY: There was no sexual
education in our school,
573
00:29:33,020 --> 00:29:34,959
in our community, at home.
574
00:29:35,059 --> 00:29:39,879
Kids are not even taught
the names of genitalia,
575
00:29:39,979 --> 00:29:41,919
the words to use.
576
00:29:42,019 --> 00:29:44,838
I didn't hear the word 'vagina'
577
00:29:44,938 --> 00:29:47,718
until I had bridal lessons
before I got married.
578
00:29:47,818 --> 00:29:49,918
BEN: It was just
such a taboo subject.
579
00:29:50,018 --> 00:29:51,437
One would never speak about it
580
00:29:51,537 --> 00:29:54,037
and one would pretend that
it just doesn't exist.
581
00:29:54,137 --> 00:29:57,917
NICOLE: Sexual abuse is
completely compartmentalised,
582
00:29:58,017 --> 00:30:00,636
stigmatised and packed away.
583
00:30:00,736 --> 00:30:04,116
So when someone sees an abuser,
584
00:30:04,216 --> 00:30:06,915
they don't see an abuser
and the impact on the victims.
585
00:30:07,015 --> 00:30:09,435
They see a person
who's in distress,
586
00:30:09,535 --> 00:30:11,855
who needs help,
who needs to be saved.
587
00:30:14,975 --> 00:30:16,974
(MAN SPEAKS HEBREW)
588
00:30:27,533 --> 00:30:30,193
You have therapists who operate
within the community
589
00:30:30,293 --> 00:30:33,112
who will purport themselves
to be specialists
590
00:30:33,212 --> 00:30:34,672
when they've read
a couple of books.
591
00:30:34,772 --> 00:30:37,032
There'll be a specific person
592
00:30:37,132 --> 00:30:40,031
whose specialism is
managing the sex offenders
593
00:30:40,131 --> 00:30:41,551
and they will say, "Absolutely,
594
00:30:41,651 --> 00:30:43,231
"we'll make sure
he goes for therapy.
595
00:30:43,331 --> 00:30:46,951
"We'll make sure that he's
watched in the synagogue
596
00:30:47,051 --> 00:30:49,410
"or we'll make sure that
she's not allowed to babysit."
597
00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:56,130
Malka Leifer
is "babysitter" for two family.
598
00:30:57,369 --> 00:30:58,909
When I see this,
599
00:30:59,009 --> 00:31:00,829
I call this family
600
00:31:00,929 --> 00:31:05,108
and say,
"You know this Malka Leifer?"
601
00:31:05,208 --> 00:31:06,388
"No."
602
00:31:06,488 --> 00:31:08,988
"You hear this problem
with girls?"
603
00:31:09,088 --> 00:31:09,948
"No."
604
00:31:10,048 --> 00:31:12,048
(EZRA SPEAKS HEBREW)
605
00:31:33,365 --> 00:31:35,405
(TRAM BELL DINGS)
606
00:31:36,685 --> 00:31:38,064
DASSI: Ben. Hello.
607
00:31:38,164 --> 00:31:39,864
-BEN: Hello.
-ELLY: Hey, Ben.
608
00:31:39,964 --> 00:31:41,664
-How's it going?
-Thanks for coming, Ben.
609
00:31:41,764 --> 00:31:43,184
-Really nice to see you.
-Pleasure.
610
00:31:43,284 --> 00:31:44,704
Can we, like, forget
about trial for a second
611
00:31:44,804 --> 00:31:45,943
and, like, just eat dinner?
612
00:31:46,043 --> 00:31:48,223
-I've really forgotten.
-(ALL LAUGH)
613
00:31:48,323 --> 00:31:50,063
Place mats, place mats,
place mats.
614
00:31:50,163 --> 00:31:51,983
We don't wanna get
the table dirty.
615
00:31:52,083 --> 00:31:55,102
Thank you so much, Ben. This
is really of generous of you.
616
00:31:55,202 --> 00:31:57,062
-Are you turning 30 this year?
-Yes.
617
00:31:57,162 --> 00:31:58,422
NICOLE: That's
gonna be post-trial,
618
00:31:58,522 --> 00:32:00,262
so we can really have
a nice celebration.
619
00:32:00,362 --> 00:32:01,822
You're the youngest,
our baby brother.
620
00:32:01,922 --> 00:32:04,141
DASSI: The last 30 in the family
until all our kids.
621
00:32:04,241 --> 00:32:06,021
ELLY: Do you want
to have a dirty 30?
622
00:32:06,121 --> 00:32:08,021
(ALL LAUGH)
623
00:32:08,121 --> 00:32:11,020
All of my sisters have
this beautiful loving energy.
624
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,220
Every one of them, though,
loves differently.
625
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,740
And when I say
"loves differently",
626
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,340
they all love unconditionally
the same,
627
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,139
but they all express it
in their own way.
628
00:32:19,239 --> 00:32:21,339
And Nechama's way
of expressing that
629
00:32:21,439 --> 00:32:23,979
is being able to listen to you,
630
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:26,859
be a soundboard,
make sure that you're alright.
631
00:32:26,959 --> 00:32:28,498
You won the first,
I won the second
632
00:32:28,598 --> 00:32:29,938
'cause I haven't won in ages.
633
00:32:30,038 --> 00:32:31,538
BEN: Anyways, guys, we are on.
634
00:32:31,638 --> 00:32:33,178
NICOLE: No, no. You...
635
00:32:33,278 --> 00:32:35,497
BEN: Dassi likes to banter,
great debates,
636
00:32:35,597 --> 00:32:38,377
read books and chill, nature.
637
00:32:38,477 --> 00:32:40,657
-Els.
-Yeah, this is very frustrating.
638
00:32:40,757 --> 00:32:42,217
BEN: What's your thoughts
about putting something down?
639
00:32:42,317 --> 00:32:43,257
I'm trying.
640
00:32:43,357 --> 00:32:44,976
BEN: And Elly's
the youngest sister.
641
00:32:45,076 --> 00:32:48,416
Just affection,
deep heart, loving.
642
00:32:48,516 --> 00:32:50,416
Bubbling with all
those good energies.
643
00:32:50,516 --> 00:32:54,575
(ALL EXCLAIM)
644
00:32:54,675 --> 00:32:56,175
-ELLY: Oh.
-DASSI: OK.
645
00:32:56,275 --> 00:32:58,695
Ben, I know we're not gonna talk
trial but trial started today.
646
00:32:58,795 --> 00:33:00,454
You're gonna be in court
with Chams,
647
00:33:00,554 --> 00:33:02,694
so you might wanna
prepare yourself mentally.
648
00:33:02,794 --> 00:33:03,854
You're gonna be there on Friday,
649
00:33:03,954 --> 00:33:05,174
so that's when
Ian cross-examines me,
650
00:33:05,274 --> 00:33:06,534
so you're gonna hear, like...
651
00:33:06,634 --> 00:33:08,254
DASSI: All the insinuations
of that,
652
00:33:08,354 --> 00:33:10,213
"She's lying,
she's making it up."
653
00:33:10,313 --> 00:33:11,933
Am I mentally prepared for it?
No.
654
00:33:12,033 --> 00:33:14,233
But I support you guys
and always will.
655
00:33:15,673 --> 00:33:17,972
It is gonna be brutal for
all of us and you're gonna...
656
00:33:18,072 --> 00:33:19,372
Being our sibling,
you're gonna feel that
657
00:33:19,472 --> 00:33:21,372
because you're close to us
and you love us.
658
00:33:21,472 --> 00:33:23,612
And it's just pain
to be able to also see you
659
00:33:23,712 --> 00:33:25,411
go through that turmoil
and to see you
660
00:33:25,511 --> 00:33:26,931
go through all the anguish.
661
00:33:27,031 --> 00:33:29,651
At the same time, it's also
good to be able to finally
662
00:33:29,751 --> 00:33:31,531
be able to say,
"OK, we're here,"
663
00:33:31,631 --> 00:33:34,130
and to uncover the truth
and to let the world decide.
664
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:36,230
NICOLE: Yeah.
665
00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:41,250
BEN: My sisters are such
incredibly good people.
666
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:43,709
How we grew up,
you never felt safe.
667
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:49,209
There was times
that we were beaten,
668
00:33:49,309 --> 00:33:52,148
times that we were
not given food.
669
00:33:55,348 --> 00:33:58,247
ELLY: Our mother
withheld food from us.
670
00:33:58,347 --> 00:34:01,427
Most nights
we didn't have dinner.
671
00:34:03,347 --> 00:34:07,426
We often did have to steal
from other kids' lunchboxes.
672
00:34:08,746 --> 00:34:11,166
I feel awful
even saying that now,
673
00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:13,126
but I was hungry at school.
674
00:34:13,226 --> 00:34:14,605
I was hungry at home.
675
00:34:14,705 --> 00:34:18,145
I was hungry all the time.
676
00:34:21,185 --> 00:34:23,524
BEN: My sisters
definitely helped a lot.
677
00:34:23,624 --> 00:34:25,284
The moments that I really recall
678
00:34:25,384 --> 00:34:26,564
was when Nicole
was already married
679
00:34:26,664 --> 00:34:28,044
and I was still at home.
680
00:34:28,144 --> 00:34:30,244
I was the only one at home
681
00:34:30,344 --> 00:34:32,603
and I would go over
to Nicole's house.
682
00:34:32,703 --> 00:34:36,003
She would give me food and
we would spend time together.
683
00:34:36,103 --> 00:34:38,483
It was a very strong connection.
684
00:34:38,583 --> 00:34:40,802
-DASSI: Thanks for coming, Ben.
-BEN: I love you guys.
685
00:34:40,902 --> 00:34:42,902
Dassi, give me a hug.
686
00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:51,121
So, about eight months ago,
687
00:34:51,221 --> 00:34:52,601
I started a campaign
688
00:34:52,701 --> 00:34:54,201
to bring awareness
to the fact that
689
00:34:54,301 --> 00:34:56,840
she continues to avoid
extradition courts in Israel
690
00:34:56,940 --> 00:35:00,080
and is living
a completely unrestricted life.
691
00:35:00,180 --> 00:35:02,040
So in 2017,
692
00:35:02,140 --> 00:35:04,639
I started campaigning
to bring Leifer back.
693
00:35:04,739 --> 00:35:08,359
ELLY: Once we made the decision
to go public
694
00:35:08,459 --> 00:35:11,159
and for the three of us to
put our face to the campaign,
695
00:35:11,259 --> 00:35:13,838
it was all just, like,
go, go from there.
696
00:35:13,938 --> 00:35:15,638
DASSI:
And the campaign took off,
697
00:35:15,738 --> 00:35:18,238
and Elly, Nicole and I
decided to travel to Israel.
698
00:35:18,338 --> 00:35:20,038
-Nechama. Yes.
-Nechama.
699
00:35:20,138 --> 00:35:21,957
NICOLE: We just knew that
we needed to talk to anyone
700
00:35:22,057 --> 00:35:23,477
and everyone
that would listen to us.
701
00:35:23,577 --> 00:35:25,877
DASSI: This case has been in
the courts for a couple of years
702
00:35:25,977 --> 00:35:27,757
and there's been
absolutely no movement.
703
00:35:27,857 --> 00:35:29,676
I still have nightmares
and flashbacks.
704
00:35:29,776 --> 00:35:32,116
I have nightmares that
she's gonna come into my room.
705
00:35:32,216 --> 00:35:35,556
I have issues with my sexual
relationships with other people.
706
00:35:35,656 --> 00:35:39,915
That bond and that ability
to keep pushing each other
707
00:35:40,015 --> 00:35:43,595
really helped us
to get through those times.
708
00:35:43,695 --> 00:35:47,234
DASSI: Having to continue
to campaign for justice
709
00:35:47,334 --> 00:35:50,994
and share our story
over and over and over again,
710
00:35:51,094 --> 00:35:53,313
I was literally
living in survival space.
711
00:35:53,413 --> 00:35:55,033
REPORTER: It's been two years
712
00:35:55,133 --> 00:35:57,353
since Malka Leifer
last appeared in court.
713
00:35:57,453 --> 00:35:59,233
Her lawyers were there in person
714
00:35:59,333 --> 00:36:01,472
and they claim two
of her alleged victims
715
00:36:01,572 --> 00:36:03,832
may have consented
to what happened.
716
00:36:03,932 --> 00:36:07,152
I ended up in a psych ward
about four times in those years
717
00:36:07,252 --> 00:36:09,392
due to the stress
of the campaign.
718
00:36:09,492 --> 00:36:12,511
Well, this is a case
that is fast making a mockery
719
00:36:12,611 --> 00:36:14,351
out of Israel's legal system.
720
00:36:14,451 --> 00:36:16,191
REPORTER 2:
44 court hearings so far.
721
00:36:16,291 --> 00:36:18,350
REPORTER:
..been to court 45 times.
722
00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:20,630
REPORTER 3: The case has been
adjourned until 21 September.
723
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:21,990
REPORTER 4:
Some pretty extraordinary
724
00:36:22,090 --> 00:36:23,230
legal gymnastics...
725
00:36:23,330 --> 00:36:24,430
REPORTER:
..adjourned until March
726
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:26,389
so that more psychiatrists
727
00:36:26,489 --> 00:36:28,189
can be called on
to give evidence.
728
00:36:28,289 --> 00:36:31,589
NEWSREADER: The ongoing fight
to extradite Malka Leifer,
729
00:36:31,689 --> 00:36:33,629
straining relations
between the two countries.
730
00:36:33,729 --> 00:36:35,668
MAN: Point of contention here
between Australia and Israel...
731
00:36:35,768 --> 00:36:37,008
NEWSREADER: The Prime Minister
says the government
732
00:36:37,088 --> 00:36:39,948
will be unswerving
in pursuing justice.
733
00:36:40,048 --> 00:36:42,388
MALCOLM: I can't think of
another extradition case
734
00:36:42,488 --> 00:36:43,787
quite like this.
735
00:36:43,887 --> 00:36:47,587
This was a matter of
enormous importance to us.
736
00:36:47,687 --> 00:36:50,387
50 hearings, 30 psychiatrists,
737
00:36:50,487 --> 00:36:52,426
a complete frolic from the judge
738
00:36:52,526 --> 00:36:54,426
and a farce of a process.
739
00:36:54,526 --> 00:36:57,826
Probably after 10 hearings,
I'm thinking,
740
00:36:57,926 --> 00:36:59,785
"I don't understand this."
741
00:36:59,885 --> 00:37:01,945
(KEYBOARD CLICKS)
742
00:37:02,045 --> 00:37:05,065
TED: We need Malka Leifer
extradited.
743
00:37:05,165 --> 00:37:07,504
The indifference
that is being displayed
744
00:37:07,604 --> 00:37:10,384
by the Israeli judicial system
745
00:37:10,484 --> 00:37:13,944
is really child abuse
in its own right.
746
00:37:14,044 --> 00:37:15,783
-(SOMBRE MUSIC)
-DASSI: Wow.
747
00:37:15,883 --> 00:37:17,703
(SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY)
748
00:37:17,803 --> 00:37:19,803
NICOLE: There was a bunch
of messages on that.
749
00:37:20,483 --> 00:37:22,503
DASSI: OK. Yeah.
750
00:37:22,603 --> 00:37:24,582
TED: They've all gone up?
751
00:37:24,682 --> 00:37:26,662
People have come out here
to support.
752
00:37:26,762 --> 00:37:28,762
It's just incredible.
753
00:37:30,002 --> 00:37:32,981
It's triggering,
but this is the visible sign
754
00:37:33,081 --> 00:37:34,781
for those that
can't come forward
755
00:37:34,881 --> 00:37:38,341
to know that people understand
why they can't come forward,
756
00:37:38,441 --> 00:37:40,441
but they're there
for them anyway.
757
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,720
It's making me emotional.
758
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,779
TED: When abuse becomes normal,
759
00:37:48,879 --> 00:37:52,419
speaking up about being abused
becomes abnormal.
760
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:56,978
So it's a self-reinforcing
defect in a community.
761
00:37:57,078 --> 00:37:59,178
DASSI: But when I started
the campaign,
762
00:37:59,278 --> 00:38:00,858
I went to Ted Baillieu.
763
00:38:00,958 --> 00:38:02,218
And he said to me,
764
00:38:02,318 --> 00:38:04,858
"Dassi, if I can be of
any assistance,
765
00:38:04,958 --> 00:38:06,817
"if there's anywhere
you need me to be,
766
00:38:06,917 --> 00:38:09,297
"I will turn up
and I will be there for you."
767
00:38:09,397 --> 00:38:11,097
Thanks for coming.
768
00:38:11,197 --> 00:38:14,496
And anytime I asked him to
be anywhere, he would be there.
769
00:38:14,596 --> 00:38:16,936
TED: The school's still
got stuff to answer for.
770
00:38:17,036 --> 00:38:18,576
But the fact that
they didn't stop this,
771
00:38:18,676 --> 00:38:20,496
that's already one step forward.
772
00:38:20,596 --> 00:38:21,895
-TED: Yeah.
-NICOLE: Yep.
773
00:38:21,995 --> 00:38:24,895
TED: Dassi sued the school
and a civil case followed.
774
00:38:24,995 --> 00:38:28,735
Was overseen by now former
Supreme Court Judge Jack Rush,
775
00:38:28,835 --> 00:38:33,134
and he presented
an incredibly damning report,
776
00:38:33,234 --> 00:38:35,014
damning of Leifer,
777
00:38:35,114 --> 00:38:36,614
damning of the school board
778
00:38:36,714 --> 00:38:39,953
and awarded substantial damages.
779
00:38:41,153 --> 00:38:43,533
We do know from the civil case
780
00:38:43,633 --> 00:38:46,772
that previous allegations
had been raised
781
00:38:46,872 --> 00:38:49,172
when Dassi's allegations
were raised.
782
00:38:49,272 --> 00:38:52,212
The board had asked
to meet Dassi
783
00:38:52,312 --> 00:38:54,372
because she'd sought
an apology from them.
784
00:38:54,472 --> 00:38:56,451
And then the school board
messaged me and said,
785
00:38:56,551 --> 00:38:59,131
"Who will you be bringing along
as your support person?"
786
00:38:59,231 --> 00:39:02,611
And I said, "Just Ted Baillieu,
the former premier of Victoria."
787
00:39:02,711 --> 00:39:04,290
First thing I said,
788
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:07,090
"Excuse me,
but if you don't mind,
789
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:09,810
"I'm going to record
this meeting,"
790
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:12,409
and I put my phone down
and put it on record.
791
00:39:12,509 --> 00:39:14,509
-(PHONE PIPS)
-DASSI:
792
00:39:45,345 --> 00:39:47,345
TED:
793
00:39:52,864 --> 00:39:54,864
ABE:
794
00:39:56,424 --> 00:39:58,364
They prioritised the welfare
795
00:39:58,464 --> 00:40:00,643
of their relationship
with their insurer,
796
00:40:00,743 --> 00:40:03,403
before the welfare of the kids.
797
00:40:03,503 --> 00:40:05,503
DASSI:
798
00:40:09,222 --> 00:40:11,222
ABE:
799
00:40:21,581 --> 00:40:23,581
DASSI:
800
00:40:23,981 --> 00:40:25,980
TED:
801
00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:28,620
ABE:
802
00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:32,440
They wanted to praise themselves
803
00:40:32,540 --> 00:40:34,639
because they had stayed silent.
804
00:40:34,739 --> 00:40:35,999
And to my understanding,
805
00:40:36,099 --> 00:40:38,239
despite all the promises
in that meeting,
806
00:40:38,339 --> 00:40:41,379
the apologies that Dassi sought
were never made.
807
00:40:47,218 --> 00:40:49,438
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK RAPIDLY)
808
00:40:49,538 --> 00:40:52,477
DASSI: We feel frustrated
that this has taken so long.
809
00:40:52,577 --> 00:40:54,157
It's important for us
to be here,
810
00:40:54,257 --> 00:40:55,477
for everyone to see that
811
00:40:55,577 --> 00:40:57,357
there are victims waiting
every day for this to end.
812
00:40:57,457 --> 00:41:00,996
MATAN: Thinking about the moment
I would have to face them
813
00:41:01,096 --> 00:41:02,636
and tell them it ended,
814
00:41:02,736 --> 00:41:04,356
"There's nothing more we can do
815
00:41:04,456 --> 00:41:07,275
"in order to extradite
Malka Leifer to Australia,"
816
00:41:07,375 --> 00:41:09,735
I was very afraid
of this moment.
817
00:41:11,175 --> 00:41:12,555
(GALLERY HUBBUB)
818
00:41:12,655 --> 00:41:14,595
DASSI: We were stuck
with Malka Leifer
819
00:41:14,695 --> 00:41:18,274
faking her mental illness
and getting away with it.
820
00:41:18,374 --> 00:41:21,754
And we met Shana
and we said to her,
821
00:41:21,854 --> 00:41:23,993
"We need to have proof
of Malka Leifer
822
00:41:24,093 --> 00:41:27,633
"living her life that we can
take to the Israeli police."
823
00:41:27,733 --> 00:41:29,353
SHANA: That was really
the only thing
824
00:41:29,453 --> 00:41:31,313
that would really make
a difference in this case,
825
00:41:31,413 --> 00:41:34,032
was bringing proof that
she was living a normal life.
826
00:41:34,132 --> 00:41:37,512
And I just remember being, like,
"I think we could do that."
827
00:41:37,612 --> 00:41:38,872
(LAUGHS) "That's something
828
00:41:38,972 --> 00:41:40,591
"we actually could
probably help you with."
829
00:41:40,691 --> 00:41:43,151
DASSI: She had spoken
to Meyer Seewald,
830
00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:46,711
who was her partner at JCW,
Jewish Community Watch,
831
00:41:46,811 --> 00:41:49,430
an advocacy group
for sexual abuse survivors.
832
00:41:49,530 --> 00:41:52,670
There's definitely
a risk of immediate harm.
833
00:41:52,770 --> 00:41:55,510
DASSI: And they had agreed to
pay for a private investigator
834
00:41:55,610 --> 00:41:58,549
to follow Malka Leifer
for 10 days.
835
00:41:58,649 --> 00:42:00,429
"Dear victims of Malka Leifer,
836
00:42:00,529 --> 00:42:03,589
"I'm sorry for the pain and the
suffering that you went through.
837
00:42:03,689 --> 00:42:05,788
"I'm sorry
for the revictimisation
838
00:42:05,888 --> 00:42:08,228
"that happened to you
when people in the community
839
00:42:08,328 --> 00:42:10,068
"helped her and not you.
840
00:42:10,168 --> 00:42:12,228
"I want you to know
that my mission
841
00:42:12,328 --> 00:42:13,587
"is to bring Leifer back."
842
00:42:13,687 --> 00:42:15,947
It's been years and basically
no-one has done shit.
843
00:42:16,047 --> 00:42:19,127
And we have connections to
Israel. Let's try to use them.
844
00:42:20,087 --> 00:42:23,306
MAN: Shana from Jewish
Community Watch came to me.
845
00:42:23,406 --> 00:42:27,986
She said, "Listen,
they have a medical statement
846
00:42:28,086 --> 00:42:30,105
"that said that
she can't do anything."
847
00:42:30,205 --> 00:42:32,825
What was described is that
she was so dysfunctional
848
00:42:32,925 --> 00:42:34,545
that she could barely stand.
849
00:42:34,645 --> 00:42:38,324
The psychiatrist described her
like a sack of potatoes.
850
00:42:44,884 --> 00:42:47,803
TZAFIR: She talk
all day on the phone.
851
00:42:49,603 --> 00:42:51,603
Talking and talking and talking.
852
00:42:54,162 --> 00:42:58,582
Sunday, she went down
from her apartment
853
00:42:58,682 --> 00:43:02,082
to the bus stop
with all her kids.
854
00:43:03,521 --> 00:43:07,081
She was talking to them,
laughing with them.
855
00:43:08,921 --> 00:43:11,260
She's strong,
856
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,680
taking all
her own grocery herself.
857
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,679
No-one help her.
858
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,779
(PEOPLE CONVERSE IN HEBREW)
859
00:43:23,879 --> 00:43:25,879
(MALKA AND SHOPKEEPER
CONVERSE IN HEBREW)
860
00:43:36,077 --> 00:43:38,417
TZAFIR: After three weeks,
861
00:43:38,517 --> 00:43:40,177
we take all the videos
862
00:43:40,277 --> 00:43:42,437
and give them to the police.
863
00:43:43,596 --> 00:43:45,576
I sat with them for two days
864
00:43:45,676 --> 00:43:48,296
to explain what we're seeing.
865
00:43:48,396 --> 00:43:51,536
(LEIFER SPEAKS INAUDIBLY)
866
00:43:51,636 --> 00:43:53,215
A simple private investigator
867
00:43:53,315 --> 00:43:54,775
for five days following her
868
00:43:54,875 --> 00:43:56,375
and we're able
to get all the proof
869
00:43:56,475 --> 00:43:58,475
and no-one else could have
gotten this proof before?
870
00:44:03,834 --> 00:44:06,194
-(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK)
-(PEOPLE CHATTER)
871
00:44:12,873 --> 00:44:16,253
MATAN: Maybe I was
very optimistic,
872
00:44:16,353 --> 00:44:18,172
but I believed that this
is going to be
873
00:44:18,272 --> 00:44:20,292
a rather short situation
874
00:44:20,392 --> 00:44:21,772
in which we come to court.
875
00:44:21,872 --> 00:44:24,811
We say, "This woman lied.
She was faking her illness.
876
00:44:24,911 --> 00:44:28,171
"Here are the movies."
And everything solved.
877
00:44:28,271 --> 00:44:30,751
And it just didn't work
that way.
878
00:44:32,031 --> 00:44:34,030
(YEHUDA SPEAKS HEBREW)
879
00:44:44,709 --> 00:44:46,569
Lawyers for Malka Leifer argue
880
00:44:46,669 --> 00:44:49,089
she's mentally unfit
to face a trial,
881
00:44:49,189 --> 00:44:52,328
despite an undercover police
sting revealing otherwise.
882
00:44:52,428 --> 00:44:56,048
Malka Leifer has been in
a high-security prison here
883
00:44:56,148 --> 00:44:57,607
for more than a year.
884
00:44:57,707 --> 00:45:00,647
NEWSREADER: 10 years have passed
with no end in sight.
885
00:45:00,747 --> 00:45:02,287
NICOLE: We were fighting
against something
886
00:45:02,387 --> 00:45:04,407
that was bigger
than it should be.
887
00:45:04,507 --> 00:45:06,486
Obviously she's being
protected by her community
888
00:45:06,586 --> 00:45:08,606
but not just that,
it's more than that.
889
00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:09,886
There were people in Israel
890
00:45:09,986 --> 00:45:12,566
who definitely did not
want her extradited.
891
00:45:12,666 --> 00:45:16,485
This lady's gotten away
for years. How?
892
00:45:16,585 --> 00:45:18,005
I'll try to speak in English
893
00:45:18,105 --> 00:45:20,445
because I was a dropout
in high school.
894
00:45:20,545 --> 00:45:22,085
That's why I became a minister.
895
00:45:22,185 --> 00:45:23,684
(LAUGHTER)
896
00:45:23,784 --> 00:45:27,444
For us in Israel, the main
story was not Malka Leifer.
897
00:45:27,544 --> 00:45:30,044
The main story
was Yaakov Litzman.
898
00:45:30,144 --> 00:45:31,643
Israeli police
have recommended
899
00:45:31,743 --> 00:45:32,723
a senior minister
900
00:45:32,823 --> 00:45:34,643
be charged for
allegedly interfering
901
00:45:34,743 --> 00:45:36,563
in a Melbourne
child sexual abuse case.
902
00:45:36,663 --> 00:45:38,643
REPORTER: The country's
deputy health minister,
903
00:45:38,743 --> 00:45:41,482
who's from the same religious
sect as Malka Leifer,
904
00:45:41,582 --> 00:45:44,562
appeared to have interfered
with the extradition,
905
00:45:44,662 --> 00:45:46,602
by pressuring
state psychiatrists
906
00:45:46,702 --> 00:45:48,361
to find she was mentally ill.
907
00:45:48,461 --> 00:45:51,041
AARON: I spoke with sources
who told me this,
908
00:45:51,141 --> 00:45:54,041
Australian Haredi community
of Malka Leifer
909
00:45:54,141 --> 00:45:56,080
raised a lot of money.
910
00:45:56,180 --> 00:45:59,880
I mean, millions and millions
of dollars to help Malka Leifer.
911
00:45:59,980 --> 00:46:04,479
And they use it to get one
famous rabbi here in Israel
912
00:46:04,579 --> 00:46:06,599
and one famous PR guy,
913
00:46:06,699 --> 00:46:09,519
and according to my sources,
914
00:46:09,619 --> 00:46:12,318
they have influence
on Yaakov Litzman.
915
00:46:12,418 --> 00:46:16,118
This was an extreme misuse
916
00:46:16,218 --> 00:46:17,838
of governmental power.
917
00:46:17,938 --> 00:46:19,997
(IN ENGLISH) Good morning,
everybody. Welcome to Israel.
918
00:46:20,097 --> 00:46:22,997
DASSI: We do know that he did
instruct the psychiatrist
919
00:46:23,097 --> 00:46:25,357
to falsify the medical records
920
00:46:25,457 --> 00:46:27,677
and ensure that Malka Leifer
921
00:46:27,777 --> 00:46:30,116
was never found
to be sane enough
922
00:46:30,216 --> 00:46:32,476
to continue
extradition proceedings.
923
00:46:32,576 --> 00:46:34,836
And according
to Israeli standards,
924
00:46:34,936 --> 00:46:39,075
Malka Leifer cannot be trialled
here in Israel.
925
00:46:39,175 --> 00:46:40,795
Then by definition,
926
00:46:40,895 --> 00:46:44,195
Israel cannot send her
back to Australia.
927
00:46:44,295 --> 00:46:47,074
NEWSREADER: Israeli police say
there is sufficient evidence
928
00:46:47,174 --> 00:46:49,834
for Litzman to be charged
with fraud and bribery.
929
00:46:49,934 --> 00:46:51,934
(PROTESTERS CHANT IN HEBREW)
930
00:46:53,213 --> 00:46:55,833
I attribute at least three years
931
00:46:55,933 --> 00:46:57,953
of re-traumatisation to Litzman.
932
00:46:58,053 --> 00:47:01,492
(PROTESTERS CONTINUE CHANTING)
933
00:47:03,612 --> 00:47:05,312
It feels very deeply betraying,
934
00:47:05,412 --> 00:47:08,252
particularly of someone
ultra-Orthodox and religious.
935
00:47:10,651 --> 00:47:13,291
(SOMBRE VOCAL MUSIC)
936
00:47:19,690 --> 00:47:22,630
(MEN CONVERSE INAUDIBLY)
937
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:25,410
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK RAPIDLY)
938
00:47:26,769 --> 00:47:28,949
REPORTER: A huge development
in the Malka Leifer case.
939
00:47:29,049 --> 00:47:31,709
REPORTER 2: A panel of
psychiatrists in Jerusalem
940
00:47:31,809 --> 00:47:33,709
has ruled that Malka Leifer
941
00:47:33,809 --> 00:47:36,268
has been pretending
she is mentally ill.
942
00:47:36,368 --> 00:47:38,628
REPORTER 3: This decision
means Israeli authorities
943
00:47:38,728 --> 00:47:40,748
can proceed to
an extradition hearing.
944
00:47:40,848 --> 00:47:42,847
(MATAN SPEAKS HEBREW)
945
00:47:53,606 --> 00:47:55,066
REPORTER: Israel's Supreme Court
946
00:47:55,166 --> 00:47:58,306
rejected her appeal
of an extradition order.
947
00:47:58,406 --> 00:48:01,505
Malka Leifer will finally
fly back to Australia.
948
00:48:01,605 --> 00:48:03,905
MAN: It's an absolute
momentous occasion.
949
00:48:04,005 --> 00:48:07,065
Today we have just heard
Judge Lomp rule
950
00:48:07,165 --> 00:48:11,304
that Malka Leifer
is fit to face justice.
951
00:48:11,404 --> 00:48:14,424
Dassi, Elly and Nicole,
please, the floor is yours.
952
00:48:14,524 --> 00:48:17,903
We are so incredibly
happy and excited.
953
00:48:18,003 --> 00:48:19,743
We've been fighting
six years for this.
954
00:48:19,843 --> 00:48:21,263
We can't stop smiling.
955
00:48:21,363 --> 00:48:24,422
There's just so many emotions
flooding through us now.
956
00:48:24,522 --> 00:48:27,462
SHANA: Every single victim that
comes forward in a public way,
957
00:48:27,562 --> 00:48:29,062
there's just a huge dent
958
00:48:29,162 --> 00:48:32,021
that gets made
in the wall of silence.
959
00:48:32,121 --> 00:48:33,541
Do you actually realise
what this means?
960
00:48:33,641 --> 00:48:35,701
Like, she's coming back
to Australia.
961
00:48:35,801 --> 00:48:37,221
SHANA: Dassi, Nicole and Elly
962
00:48:37,321 --> 00:48:40,660
took that to a whole nother
level in terms of exposure.
963
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,860
They fought really hard
964
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,460
and they advocated
for themselves
965
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,340
in a way that I had never seen
anybody advocate for themselves
966
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,539
before on such a public scale.
967
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:51,679
(JET ROARS OVERHEAD)
968
00:48:58,078 --> 00:48:59,778
When I learned that
969
00:48:59,878 --> 00:49:02,818
Leifer was being extradited
back, absolute elation.
970
00:49:02,918 --> 00:49:04,898
REPORTER: She was photographed
getting onto a plane,
971
00:49:04,998 --> 00:49:08,057
which is reportedly headed
for Frankfurt, in Germany,
972
00:49:08,157 --> 00:49:10,177
before she'll
be flown to Australia.
973
00:49:10,277 --> 00:49:12,977
DANIELLE: And being
in the height of COVID,
974
00:49:13,077 --> 00:49:15,376
each country
had their own restrictions,
975
00:49:15,476 --> 00:49:19,056
so it was a bit of a mad rush
to get her out of the country.
976
00:49:19,156 --> 00:49:21,156
(POIGNANT MUSIC)
977
00:49:24,955 --> 00:49:26,295
(PHONE CHIMES)
978
00:49:26,395 --> 00:49:29,974
DASSI: Fuck! Oh, my gosh.
979
00:49:30,074 --> 00:49:32,454
I am shaking.
I'm literally shaking.
980
00:49:32,554 --> 00:49:34,654
I believe you.
981
00:49:34,754 --> 00:49:36,914
When's the last time
you've eaten?
982
00:49:38,473 --> 00:49:40,413
All of a sudden,
a photo popped up
983
00:49:40,513 --> 00:49:41,933
on my WhatsApp group
984
00:49:42,033 --> 00:49:43,693
of Leifer getting onto the plane
985
00:49:43,793 --> 00:49:46,133
and I literally could not
breathe for half an hour.
986
00:49:46,233 --> 00:49:47,412
Like, literally,
I felt like someone
987
00:49:47,512 --> 00:49:49,512
was constricting my oxygen.
988
00:49:51,112 --> 00:49:52,452
Not just hearing
about it.
989
00:49:52,552 --> 00:49:54,372
Actually
seeing her,
990
00:49:54,472 --> 00:49:56,571
this person
that's dominated
991
00:49:56,671 --> 00:49:58,891
every single waking moment,
992
00:49:58,991 --> 00:50:00,571
sleeping moment of my life
993
00:50:00,671 --> 00:50:03,410
for the last 13 years
is actually...
994
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:07,130
Yeah, it's...too surreal
to even...to even contemplate
995
00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:08,410
and to even try and explain
996
00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:10,090
to anyone else
other than my sisters.
997
00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:13,649
REPORTER: Malka Leifer
touching down on Australian soil
998
00:50:13,749 --> 00:50:16,289
for the first time in 13 years.
999
00:50:16,389 --> 00:50:19,408
I need to hear that nothing
happened to her on the plane
1000
00:50:19,508 --> 00:50:21,408
and she actually
walks off the plane
1001
00:50:21,508 --> 00:50:24,208
and then to put it
into words again.
1002
00:50:24,308 --> 00:50:27,547
From 2008 till now...
1003
00:50:29,547 --> 00:50:31,207
..it's 13 years,
it's a whole lifetime.
1004
00:50:31,307 --> 00:50:32,847
DASSI ON PHONE:
1005
00:50:32,947 --> 00:50:34,947
OK. OK. OK.
1006
00:50:36,186 --> 00:50:38,006
OK, so...
1007
00:50:38,106 --> 00:50:40,166
It wasn't Victoria Police's
jurisdiction
1008
00:50:40,266 --> 00:50:42,266
in any of the other countries.
1009
00:50:43,306 --> 00:50:46,285
The moment the wheels landed,
turned to her,
1010
00:50:46,385 --> 00:50:49,685
"You're under arrest
for sexual abuse allegations
1011
00:50:49,785 --> 00:50:51,205
"in relation to Hadassa Erlich,
1012
00:50:51,305 --> 00:50:53,564
"Elisheva Sapper, Nechama Meyer.
1013
00:50:53,664 --> 00:50:55,604
"Don't have to say
or do anything.
1014
00:50:55,704 --> 00:50:56,764
"Do you understand?"
1015
00:50:56,864 --> 00:50:59,844
Grunted at me. Multiple times.
1016
00:50:59,944 --> 00:51:02,363
NICOLE: Dassi, you've literally
got to change the hashtag
1017
00:51:02,463 --> 00:51:03,523
to "LeiferIsBack".
1018
00:51:03,623 --> 00:51:04,803
DASSI: I'm just gonna write,
1019
00:51:04,903 --> 00:51:05,843
"Leifer has arrived
in Melbourne."
1020
00:51:05,943 --> 00:51:06,883
Just write,
"She's touched down."
1021
00:51:06,983 --> 00:51:07,923
DASSI: Something like that.
1022
00:51:08,023 --> 00:51:09,482
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
1023
00:51:09,582 --> 00:51:10,562
DASSI: ..police cars there.
1024
00:51:10,662 --> 00:51:11,842
NICOLE: Yeah,
but then there was one
1025
00:51:11,942 --> 00:51:13,042
further back, there.
1026
00:51:13,142 --> 00:51:14,762
REPORTER: She was
driven off the tarmac
1027
00:51:14,862 --> 00:51:16,562
at Tullamarine last night
1028
00:51:16,662 --> 00:51:18,661
and into police custody.
1029
00:51:20,021 --> 00:51:22,121
I think the minute
she landed in Australia,
1030
00:51:22,221 --> 00:51:25,760
it was a very physical sensation
of her being in close proximity.
1031
00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:30,640
I feel we're connected again,
not in a good way,
1032
00:51:30,740 --> 00:51:32,640
but my whole body felt it.
1033
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:34,759
(POLICE RADIO CHATTER)
1034
00:51:34,859 --> 00:51:35,879
(TRAM BELL DINGS)
1035
00:51:35,979 --> 00:51:37,979
(TRAFFIC HUBBUB)
1036
00:51:45,138 --> 00:51:47,898
NICOLE: They've just taken out
paragraphs upon paragraphs.
1037
00:51:49,298 --> 00:51:53,957
Half of this page is gone.
Most of this page has gone.
1038
00:51:54,057 --> 00:51:57,877
For the first time, I wavered
on my ability to do this.
1039
00:51:57,977 --> 00:52:00,076
I got a phone call last week
1040
00:52:00,176 --> 00:52:01,756
and the prosecutor let me know
1041
00:52:01,856 --> 00:52:04,356
that they are redacting
a large part of my statement,
1042
00:52:04,456 --> 00:52:07,835
from the day I got married
until Malka Leifer left in 2008,
1043
00:52:07,935 --> 00:52:09,635
which is a year and a half.
1044
00:52:09,735 --> 00:52:11,155
I asked her why.
1045
00:52:11,255 --> 00:52:13,695
I will not find out the reason
until after trial.
1046
00:52:15,134 --> 00:52:19,054
But I'm assuming just the age,
consent, perhaps.
1047
00:52:20,014 --> 00:52:21,714
If I was married
and I should have known
1048
00:52:21,814 --> 00:52:23,553
that she was abusing me.
1049
00:52:23,653 --> 00:52:27,953
But abuse is not just the sexual
abuse, it's the emotional,
1050
00:52:28,053 --> 00:52:30,373
it's the mental,
it's the coercive control.
1051
00:52:31,932 --> 00:52:35,872
So it just feels like
a complete invalidation
1052
00:52:35,972 --> 00:52:39,771
and misunderstanding
of abuse and power.
1053
00:52:40,771 --> 00:52:43,791
I finished Year 12 and started
teaching directly under her,
1054
00:52:43,891 --> 00:52:46,471
and she abused me
for six and a half
1055
00:52:46,571 --> 00:52:48,690
out of the seven years
that she was here.
1056
00:52:49,810 --> 00:52:51,550
She was part of my wedding day,
1057
00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:53,750
and she abused me
1058
00:52:53,850 --> 00:52:58,029
throughout all of that
year and a half.
1059
00:52:58,129 --> 00:53:02,989
I got married in August 2006
and became pregnant.
1060
00:53:03,089 --> 00:53:06,608
Did not make any difference
to the level of abuse.
1061
00:53:07,688 --> 00:53:09,388
She was a big person,
1062
00:53:09,488 --> 00:53:11,228
and I was so conscious
1063
00:53:11,328 --> 00:53:15,327
of her big body on top of
my body, squashing my baby.
1064
00:53:17,047 --> 00:53:20,826
The instinct to protect
my child is what stopped me
1065
00:53:20,926 --> 00:53:24,806
from being alone with her in
a room again in that position.
1066
00:53:26,926 --> 00:53:29,645
But it continued for
the next year and a half.
1067
00:53:31,925 --> 00:53:33,625
There are no charges
for that time,
1068
00:53:33,725 --> 00:53:37,564
and that cannot be spoken about
at all or it will be mistrial.
1069
00:53:39,684 --> 00:53:41,264
In a way,
it feels almost like I'm lying
1070
00:53:41,364 --> 00:53:43,864
'cause I'm stopping
at a certain point.
1071
00:53:43,964 --> 00:53:49,023
If it's not my whole story, then
why should I go up on the stand?
1072
00:53:49,123 --> 00:53:51,763
(SOLEMN MUSIC)
1073
00:54:09,681 --> 00:54:11,500
How many court hearings,
for real?
1074
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,300
How many court hearings
have we had?
1075
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,580
74 court hearings in Israel.
1076
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,180
And then another bunch
here as well.
1077
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,580
At least 20 here.
1078
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,899
This is the justice
that we were waiting for.
1079
00:54:20,999 --> 00:54:22,779
-We can do this, guys.
-We can.
1080
00:54:22,879 --> 00:54:24,979
-Hug. Aw!
-On camera?
1081
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:26,339
(CHUCKLES)
1082
00:54:26,439 --> 00:54:27,698
I'm gonna cry.
1083
00:54:27,798 --> 00:54:30,098
No.
Elly, you're so not crying now.
1084
00:54:30,198 --> 00:54:31,738
-You're so emotional.
-(LAUGHS) I'm so emotional.
1085
00:54:31,838 --> 00:54:33,138
You'll be emotional
for all of us.
1086
00:54:33,238 --> 00:54:35,217
-Yeah.
-OK, OK, shush, shush, shush.
1087
00:54:35,317 --> 00:54:36,857
I just need to read through
my charges.
1088
00:54:36,957 --> 00:54:39,497
No, no, no, don't ask me.
I just need to read my charges.
1089
00:54:39,597 --> 00:54:40,897
DASSI: Yeah,
don't read it now, Chams.
1090
00:54:40,997 --> 00:54:42,537
-You've done your...
-I'm scared I forgot something.
1091
00:54:42,637 --> 00:54:45,776
DASSI: You've got it all.
You know, it's in your memory.
1092
00:54:45,876 --> 00:54:47,416
You're not gonna know
every single detail.
1093
00:54:47,516 --> 00:54:48,736
Like, that's impossible.
1094
00:54:48,836 --> 00:54:50,416
Our memory
doesn't work like that.
1095
00:54:50,516 --> 00:54:51,455
(CAR DOOR CLOSES)
1096
00:54:51,555 --> 00:54:54,255
-OK.
-Breathe.
1097
00:54:54,355 --> 00:54:56,015
-Just remember to breathe.
-Keep on breathing.
1098
00:54:56,115 --> 00:54:57,135
OK.
1099
00:54:57,235 --> 00:54:59,235
-(PEDESTRIAN SIGNAL TICKS)
-(QUIET CHATTER)
1100
00:55:04,674 --> 00:55:07,734
DASSI: Just sitting here
together and...
1101
00:55:07,834 --> 00:55:10,173
ELLY: Starting to feel
the anxiety a bit of...
1102
00:55:10,273 --> 00:55:11,453
-Yeah.
-..Nechama being on the stand.
1103
00:55:11,553 --> 00:55:14,333
We know she's absolutely
giving evidence now.
1104
00:55:14,433 --> 00:55:17,012
DASSI: It's just starting
to feel a bit...
1105
00:55:17,112 --> 00:55:18,452
-ELLY: Overwhelming.
-DASSI: Overwhelming.
1106
00:55:18,552 --> 00:55:20,132
(SOMBRE MUSIC)
1107
00:55:20,232 --> 00:55:22,972
NICOLE: It's huge
to acknowledge abuse
1108
00:55:23,072 --> 00:55:25,291
that happened two decades ago,
1109
00:55:25,391 --> 00:55:28,251
trying to describe incidents
that happened 17 years ago,
1110
00:55:28,351 --> 00:55:31,331
and it's so confronting.
1111
00:55:31,431 --> 00:55:34,250
I just need to remember
to ask for breaks,
1112
00:55:34,350 --> 00:55:37,610
to go really slowly,
and to just try and see him
1113
00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:40,870
as just an old man
who cannot get under my skin.
1114
00:55:42,229 --> 00:55:47,509
We heard very specific details
about the offending.
1115
00:55:48,669 --> 00:55:52,968
How Malka Leifer
would groom the girls.
1116
00:55:53,068 --> 00:55:56,368
How she would develop an initial
relationship with them,
1117
00:55:56,468 --> 00:55:58,607
then isolate them.
1118
00:55:58,707 --> 00:56:01,287
And then they went
into really granular detail
1119
00:56:01,387 --> 00:56:03,407
about the offending itself.
1120
00:56:03,507 --> 00:56:06,486
Malka Leifer would
remove their clothing
1121
00:56:06,586 --> 00:56:10,126
and remove her clothing,
touch them in various ways.
1122
00:56:10,226 --> 00:56:15,485
It was really, really
quite challenging to listen to.
1123
00:56:15,585 --> 00:56:19,205
The central defence strategy
of Hill
1124
00:56:19,305 --> 00:56:23,364
appears to be that the evidence
might be contaminated
1125
00:56:23,464 --> 00:56:26,084
because of collusion,
1126
00:56:26,184 --> 00:56:28,204
that they've shared stories
with each other
1127
00:56:28,304 --> 00:56:29,684
over the course of the abuse
1128
00:56:29,784 --> 00:56:30,843
and that's contaminated
1129
00:56:30,943 --> 00:56:33,163
everybody's recollection
of the abuse,
1130
00:56:33,263 --> 00:56:35,123
which means that the evidence
is tainted
1131
00:56:35,223 --> 00:56:36,963
and that the jury should
take that into account
1132
00:56:37,063 --> 00:56:39,082
when they're determining guilt.
1133
00:56:39,182 --> 00:56:41,882
NICOLE: Ian literally
said to me outright,
1134
00:56:41,982 --> 00:56:44,002
"You are constructing
this story."
1135
00:56:44,102 --> 00:56:45,762
He said,
"I want to suggest to you
1136
00:56:45,862 --> 00:56:48,481
"that nothing happened
in Year 11 and Year 12.
1137
00:56:48,581 --> 00:56:49,761
"I want to suggest to you
1138
00:56:49,861 --> 00:56:52,441
"that she did not
assault you at all,
1139
00:56:52,541 --> 00:56:54,441
"altogether, in all the years."
1140
00:56:54,541 --> 00:56:56,960
That was what he was doing
throughout the entire day.
1141
00:56:57,060 --> 00:57:00,280
So it really chips away
at your story.
1142
00:57:00,380 --> 00:57:02,000
In sexual assault trials,
1143
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:04,719
it's one person's word
against another's
1144
00:57:04,819 --> 00:57:06,799
or three people's words
against another's,
1145
00:57:06,899 --> 00:57:10,999
and they're the ones essentially
having to prove their case.
1146
00:57:11,099 --> 00:57:13,318
They are essentially on trial.
1147
00:57:13,418 --> 00:57:15,358
Malka Leifer's not sitting
in the witness box
1148
00:57:15,458 --> 00:57:17,638
being cross-examined
and she doesn't have to.
1149
00:57:17,738 --> 00:57:19,738
That is her right
under this system.
1150
00:57:21,337 --> 00:57:22,677
DASSI: You're done.
1151
00:57:22,777 --> 00:57:24,597
-I know.
-DASSI: Can I keep punching you?
1152
00:57:24,697 --> 00:57:26,957
You can keep punching me, but
I'm just not feeling anything.
1153
00:57:27,057 --> 00:57:29,356
I'm just so, like, in shock.
I'm literally in shock.
1154
00:57:29,456 --> 00:57:31,156
DASSI: I know, I know, I know.
1155
00:57:31,256 --> 00:57:34,916
(SPARSE MUSIC)
1156
00:57:35,016 --> 00:57:37,615
NICOLE: Today
was absolutely brutal.
1157
00:57:39,935 --> 00:57:44,435
Saying so openly about rape and
how she did it and positioning,
1158
00:57:44,535 --> 00:57:48,434
it's just been the most
massive day of my life,
1159
00:57:48,534 --> 00:57:50,794
and to be honest,
there's parts of me
1160
00:57:50,894 --> 00:57:53,193
that feel that they don't want
to live till tomorrow.
1161
00:57:53,293 --> 00:57:55,153
(BREATHES SHAKILY)
1162
00:57:55,253 --> 00:57:58,413
(SPARSE MUSIC)
1163
00:57:59,973 --> 00:58:01,912
-LEAH: This is great.
-DASSI: I know, I told you.
1164
00:58:02,012 --> 00:58:04,552
-LEAH: It's colour by number.
-DASSI: You don't have to think.
1165
00:58:04,652 --> 00:58:05,832
You're not sitting there
thinking,
1166
00:58:05,932 --> 00:58:07,032
"Oh, what should I paint?"
1167
00:58:07,132 --> 00:58:08,552
You're literally just
following something
1168
00:58:08,652 --> 00:58:10,791
that's already decided
where you're gonna paint.
1169
00:58:10,891 --> 00:58:12,991
We'll take an Uber from here.
We'll go to the court.
1170
00:58:13,091 --> 00:58:14,991
And then I'm on,
and this is the first time
1171
00:58:15,091 --> 00:58:16,951
that I'm gonna have to give
my evidence in chief,
1172
00:58:17,051 --> 00:58:18,910
which means I have to talk
through all my statements.
1173
00:58:19,010 --> 00:58:20,950
LEAH: Mm-hm.
And what do you need?
1174
00:58:21,050 --> 00:58:23,030
Like, what's good for you?
Do you like to just...
1175
00:58:23,130 --> 00:58:25,110
Just a hug, I think,
to calm my nervous system.
1176
00:58:25,210 --> 00:58:26,909
OK. Alright.
1177
00:58:27,009 --> 00:58:30,829
It was so difficult to
support Dassi through that.
1178
00:58:30,929 --> 00:58:33,229
You have got the power
in that room, and I've told you,
1179
00:58:33,329 --> 00:58:36,188
you're the most resilient
human I know.
1180
00:58:36,288 --> 00:58:38,468
I was constantly
questioning myself,
1181
00:58:38,568 --> 00:58:41,108
wondering whether I was actually
saying the right things.
1182
00:58:41,208 --> 00:58:42,787
I think
once I get on the stand...
1183
00:58:42,887 --> 00:58:45,467
-You'll be brilliant.
-..and I start talking...
1184
00:58:45,567 --> 00:58:47,867
LEAH: I found it impossible
to emotionally detach myself
1185
00:58:47,967 --> 00:58:51,026
from what the sisters
were going through.
1186
00:58:51,126 --> 00:58:53,506
All I wanted
for them was relief.
1187
00:58:53,606 --> 00:58:55,746
I've taken my meds,
but I'm taking my meds with me.
1188
00:58:55,846 --> 00:58:57,066
ELLY: Yeah,
if you feel yourself dropping...
1189
00:58:57,166 --> 00:58:58,426
Otherwise I'll crash
after four hours, yeah.
1190
00:58:58,526 --> 00:58:59,665
ELLY: Yeah. Very good.
1191
00:58:59,765 --> 00:59:00,885
NICOLE: And lunchtime,
get something to eat.
1192
00:59:00,965 --> 00:59:02,505
I might not need
every half an hour break.
1193
00:59:02,605 --> 00:59:03,865
NICOLE: She doesn't think
she can eat,
1194
00:59:03,965 --> 00:59:05,465
but you'll have to force
yourself to have something.
1195
00:59:05,565 --> 00:59:07,824
LEAH: I could feel
her mental health,
1196
00:59:07,924 --> 00:59:09,904
the roller-coaster of it.
1197
00:59:10,004 --> 00:59:12,224
I can always tell
Dassi's going through stress
1198
00:59:12,324 --> 00:59:15,144
when she starts speaking even
more quickly with less breaths.
1199
00:59:15,244 --> 00:59:17,143
What's your heart rate?
1200
00:59:17,243 --> 00:59:19,183
What's yours?
1201
00:59:19,283 --> 00:59:21,583
-83.
-61.
1202
00:59:21,683 --> 00:59:24,382
-So high.
-But you're not...
1203
00:59:24,482 --> 00:59:27,642
(SPARSE MUSIC)
1204
00:59:29,362 --> 00:59:32,281
DASSI: It was torture
to be cross-examined.
1205
00:59:33,481 --> 00:59:34,781
Effectively on trial,
1206
00:59:34,881 --> 00:59:38,041
because that's what
it's like to be a witness.
1207
00:59:39,321 --> 00:59:41,020
You are on trial.
1208
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,740
My whole life was open
to being subpoenaed,
1209
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,659
my medical records, messages
between myself and friends,
1210
00:59:48,759 --> 00:59:51,139
so that they could use it
against me on the stand,
1211
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:52,499
which is what they did,
1212
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:54,419
putting to me
over and over again
1213
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:56,878
that I was lying,
that I had made this up.
1214
00:59:58,918 --> 01:00:03,158
The first time
that she touched me...
1215
01:00:04,438 --> 01:00:07,497
..she had taken me out of school
and to her home
1216
01:00:07,597 --> 01:00:11,177
for an afternoon
to have private lessons.
1217
01:00:11,277 --> 01:00:13,016
And I remember her coming home
1218
01:00:13,116 --> 01:00:16,576
and checking to see
if her husband was home,
1219
01:00:16,676 --> 01:00:18,856
realising that she had
the house to herself
1220
01:00:18,956 --> 01:00:22,155
and locking the door and
telling me to go to the couch.
1221
01:00:23,635 --> 01:00:24,895
She said to me,
1222
01:00:24,995 --> 01:00:27,815
"This is what a mother
that loves you does,
1223
01:00:27,915 --> 01:00:30,314
"and I'm like a mother to you."
1224
01:00:32,114 --> 01:00:36,334
Not having had any experience
of what a loving mother does,
1225
01:00:36,434 --> 01:00:38,673
there was a time
that I believed her.
1226
01:00:41,553 --> 01:00:43,933
I didn't know
how to make sense of it,
1227
01:00:44,033 --> 01:00:46,532
and I remember going back
to school and just wondering
1228
01:00:46,632 --> 01:00:51,312
what on earth had just happened
and why had it happened.
1229
01:00:55,911 --> 01:00:59,931
I just wanted to literally get a
blanket and pull it over my head
1230
01:01:00,031 --> 01:01:01,411
and just be like,
"Go away!" to everybody.
1231
01:01:01,511 --> 01:01:02,690
NICOLE AND ELLY: Yeah.
1232
01:01:02,790 --> 01:01:03,930
And then, like, instead,
1233
01:01:04,030 --> 01:01:05,650
I have to sit there
and talk more
1234
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:09,090
and talk about more things
that are horrific.
1235
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:10,729
ELLY: In detail.
1236
01:01:10,829 --> 01:01:13,529
In, like, the most detail
that you could ever think of.
1237
01:01:13,629 --> 01:01:15,089
NICOLE: ..that you've ever
spoken to someone about.
1238
01:01:15,189 --> 01:01:16,289
-Yeah.
-ELLY: To a room of strangers.
1239
01:01:16,389 --> 01:01:17,689
Exactly.
1240
01:01:17,789 --> 01:01:20,988
ELLY: The whole process is
massively re-traumatising.
1241
01:01:23,188 --> 01:01:25,648
-FRIEDA: Hello, Dassi.
-DASSI: Frieda!
1242
01:01:25,748 --> 01:01:27,567
FRIEDA: How are you?
1243
01:01:27,667 --> 01:01:29,287
-Entrez-vous.
-Whew!
1244
01:01:29,387 --> 01:01:31,207
-It's been a long day.
-WOMAN: Hey.
1245
01:01:31,307 --> 01:01:33,767
You look pretty good for
someone who's just endured...
1246
01:01:33,867 --> 01:01:35,367
DASSI: This has literally
taken over my life,
1247
01:01:35,467 --> 01:01:37,126
and that's why I just wanted
to come here
1248
01:01:37,226 --> 01:01:39,206
and just have some time,
like, away from all of that,
1249
01:01:39,306 --> 01:01:41,886
'cause my whole family is just,
like, filled up with that drama.
1250
01:01:41,986 --> 01:01:43,805
Have you ever
wanted to be a lawyer?
1251
01:01:43,905 --> 01:01:46,245
DASSI: No, but I keep being
told I should be a lawyer.
1252
01:01:46,345 --> 01:01:48,405
DASSI: Henry is Josh's father.
1253
01:01:48,505 --> 01:01:50,325
Him and Maralyn, his wife,
1254
01:01:50,425 --> 01:01:52,804
I hadn't really known them
when I was married to Josh
1255
01:01:52,904 --> 01:01:54,644
because they weren't religious
1256
01:01:54,744 --> 01:01:56,884
and we didn't have
a lot to do with them.
1257
01:01:56,984 --> 01:01:58,924
MARALYN: When do you think
this will be over?
1258
01:01:59,024 --> 01:02:00,683
Like, can you see an end
of the...
1259
01:02:00,783 --> 01:02:02,203
-DASSI: They said six weeks.
-Six weeks?
1260
01:02:02,303 --> 01:02:05,403
DASSI: I hadn't actually seen
Frieda, Henry's sister,
1261
01:02:05,503 --> 01:02:07,723
at all since my wedding,
1262
01:02:07,823 --> 01:02:10,802
but she came to visit me
while I was in hospital.
1263
01:02:10,902 --> 01:02:13,402
They were just incredibly
supportive people
1264
01:02:13,502 --> 01:02:15,122
and continue to be to this day.
1265
01:02:15,222 --> 01:02:16,442
MARALYN:
Now, this has literally...
1266
01:02:16,542 --> 01:02:20,161
DASSI: In 2011, I was in
a psychiatric hospital
1267
01:02:20,261 --> 01:02:21,521
with my daughter,
1268
01:02:21,621 --> 01:02:24,221
suffering from really bad
postpartum depression.
1269
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:28,840
I'm self-harming
and I'm suicidal.
1270
01:02:28,940 --> 01:02:32,400
It was my first exposure
to actually sitting down
1271
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:35,499
having conversations with people
outside of my community.
1272
01:02:36,859 --> 01:02:38,439
I really struggled
with this idea
1273
01:02:38,539 --> 01:02:40,359
that I had been taught
throughout my whole life
1274
01:02:40,459 --> 01:02:44,238
that I was superior to them
because of the way I lived
1275
01:02:44,338 --> 01:02:46,818
and the way I covered my hair
and the way I dress.
1276
01:02:47,978 --> 01:02:52,837
And if that was wrong,
then what else was wrong?
1277
01:02:52,937 --> 01:02:56,057
(PENSIVE MUSIC)
1278
01:02:58,256 --> 01:03:00,436
CHANA: Sadly,
perhaps not for them,
1279
01:03:00,536 --> 01:03:02,356
but, I think, for the community,
1280
01:03:02,456 --> 01:03:04,116
Nicole's the only sister
1281
01:03:04,216 --> 01:03:06,515
still an active part of
the Orthodox community.
1282
01:03:06,615 --> 01:03:11,155
And I say 'sadly' because the
community failed Elly and Dassi.
1283
01:03:11,255 --> 01:03:14,235
Even when the revelations came
out, they weren't supported,
1284
01:03:14,335 --> 01:03:16,434
they weren't apologised to,
they weren't...
1285
01:03:16,534 --> 01:03:18,534
They weren't cared for.
1286
01:03:23,933 --> 01:03:25,433
ELLY: I'm gonna vomit.
1287
01:03:25,533 --> 01:03:28,273
I'm literally scared
of my mind going blank.
1288
01:03:28,373 --> 01:03:30,113
DASSI: If you're going blank,
ask for a break.
1289
01:03:30,213 --> 01:03:31,952
NICOLE: I brought you,
just, like, a few caramel
1290
01:03:32,052 --> 01:03:33,992
and two other chocolates
if you just need something sweet
1291
01:03:34,092 --> 01:03:35,712
to give you a bit of energy, OK?
1292
01:03:35,812 --> 01:03:37,152
-ELLY: Thank you.
-So I've got that for you.
1293
01:03:37,252 --> 01:03:38,792
DASSI: You have to eat something
that has protein.
1294
01:03:38,892 --> 01:03:39,991
I'll see how
I feel in lunchtime.
1295
01:03:40,091 --> 01:03:42,311
-Yep. Yeah.
-ELLY: OK. Should we go?
1296
01:03:42,411 --> 01:03:44,971
-NICOLE: Yeah, fine.
-OK, let's go.
1297
01:03:49,210 --> 01:03:51,030
DASSI: Els, you need a plan
for the weekend,
1298
01:03:51,130 --> 01:03:54,190
something nice to do together,
you and Danny, you really do.
1299
01:03:54,290 --> 01:03:56,909
I can babysit Maddie on
Friday night or Saturday night.
1300
01:03:57,009 --> 01:03:59,949
But you're gonna need that
after this intensity.
1301
01:04:00,049 --> 01:04:01,829
I think it's really hard
on Danny.
1302
01:04:01,929 --> 01:04:04,028
NICOLE: Yeah, I think so too.
I...
1303
01:04:04,128 --> 01:04:07,388
I'm feeling for him, but I know
that he's... He's OK, but...
1304
01:04:07,488 --> 01:04:09,708
-DASSI: He is, he will be OK.
-NICOLE: He's solid.
1305
01:04:09,808 --> 01:04:11,428
And you can't think
too much about him.
1306
01:04:11,528 --> 01:04:13,527
He's your support person.
1307
01:04:19,367 --> 01:04:24,446
ELLY: I understand defence
lawyers are there for a purpose.
1308
01:04:25,886 --> 01:04:30,905
However, my experience
being cross-examined by him
1309
01:04:31,005 --> 01:04:34,965
was...I...I felt degraded.
1310
01:04:37,484 --> 01:04:42,344
I haven't shared things
1311
01:04:42,444 --> 01:04:47,103
that have happened
with my father
1312
01:04:47,203 --> 01:04:49,983
because I don't have
the mental capacity
1313
01:04:50,083 --> 01:04:52,863
to deal with
that particular event.
1314
01:04:52,963 --> 01:04:55,282
(SOMBRE MUSIC)
1315
01:05:02,961 --> 01:05:07,261
Ian insinuated that
because of previous things
1316
01:05:07,361 --> 01:05:11,420
that happened at home
with my father
1317
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,580
that I understood what sex was,
1318
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:19,599
and therefore what happened with
Malka Leifer was consensual.
1319
01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:23,519
He wanted me to crumble.
1320
01:05:26,918 --> 01:05:28,698
DANNY: I think you...
you withstood
1321
01:05:28,798 --> 01:05:30,498
some of the worst cruelty
1322
01:05:30,598 --> 01:05:32,218
I've ever seen.
1323
01:05:32,318 --> 01:05:36,737
I mean, the judge jumped in
and said, "You can't say that."
1324
01:05:36,837 --> 01:05:39,397
(SOMBRE MUSIC)
1325
01:05:53,675 --> 01:05:58,055
ELLY: It got to me that Leifer
was there listening. (SIGHS)
1326
01:05:58,155 --> 01:06:00,234
(SOMBRE MUSIC CONTINUES)
1327
01:06:01,714 --> 01:06:03,814
That was one of the most
traumatic things
1328
01:06:03,914 --> 01:06:08,593
that I've ever experienced
in terms of re-traumatising.
1329
01:06:12,233 --> 01:06:15,593
There's just no humanity.
1330
01:06:17,192 --> 01:06:22,392
How do we get to a point where
one can do that to another?
1331
01:06:24,951 --> 01:06:26,951
It's so cruel.
1332
01:06:27,591 --> 01:06:30,611
Just got to pretend like
these things don't happen,
1333
01:06:30,711 --> 01:06:33,710
and then my body
takes a hit from it.
1334
01:06:35,030 --> 01:06:40,989
Which is probably why
I...can't get pregnant.
1335
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:48,509
(UNEASY MUSIC)
1336
01:06:53,308 --> 01:06:54,808
NICOLE: They're all aware
of the story,
1337
01:06:54,908 --> 01:06:57,547
they all see it in the news, and
nobody wants to come forward.
1338
01:07:00,187 --> 01:07:03,287
I was so angry this morning.
1339
01:07:03,387 --> 01:07:06,286
Like, I was getting
so angry about the fact
1340
01:07:06,386 --> 01:07:11,126
that people
can get up on the stand
1341
01:07:11,226 --> 01:07:13,246
in support of Mrs Leifer
1342
01:07:13,346 --> 01:07:16,165
and not have to worry
about the community.
1343
01:07:16,265 --> 01:07:18,445
And the community will... "Oh,
the community will understand."
1344
01:07:18,545 --> 01:07:19,845
-And they won't...
-NICOLE: And support them.
1345
01:07:19,945 --> 01:07:22,884
But if anyone dare
to stand up against her
1346
01:07:22,984 --> 01:07:24,924
or dare to stand up
on behalf of us,
1347
01:07:25,024 --> 01:07:26,004
immediately
they'll be ostracised.
1348
01:07:26,104 --> 01:07:27,404
Just getting so angry
1349
01:07:27,504 --> 01:07:29,924
about those twisted,
twisted values
1350
01:07:30,024 --> 01:07:33,443
and how they've made
no progress to support victims.
1351
01:07:33,543 --> 01:07:35,543
NICOLE: They can't handle it.
1352
01:07:36,623 --> 01:07:39,362
I don't have anger,
even for Malka Leifer,
1353
01:07:39,462 --> 01:07:41,322
because anger doesn't serve me.
1354
01:07:41,422 --> 01:07:45,282
I just have a disappointment
in the lack of enough growth.
1355
01:07:45,382 --> 01:07:48,881
The community as a whole hasn't
moved far enough for me yet,
1356
01:07:48,981 --> 01:07:50,981
and that's what I'm
deeply disappointed in.
1357
01:07:51,981 --> 01:07:54,201
People don't realise
that by being silent,
1358
01:07:54,301 --> 01:07:56,300
they're actually enabling.
1359
01:07:57,860 --> 01:08:00,500
Oh, gosh, guys, here it is.
1360
01:08:03,979 --> 01:08:06,959
We weren't allowed to
discuss any form
1361
01:08:07,059 --> 01:08:10,559
of what we said in our evidence,
giving the evidence,
1362
01:08:10,659 --> 01:08:13,558
but also,
for the rest of the trial,
1363
01:08:13,658 --> 01:08:18,038
we weren't actually allowed to
watch the proceedings together.
1364
01:08:18,138 --> 01:08:20,877
Ha. He didn't let him
finish the question.
1365
01:08:20,977 --> 01:08:22,357
He's also leaving
the jury hanging
1366
01:08:22,457 --> 01:08:23,757
with that particular information
1367
01:08:23,857 --> 01:08:25,557
'cause it's the second time
he's brought it up now,
1368
01:08:25,657 --> 01:08:28,116
to show that I read Dassi's
statement when I never did.
1369
01:08:28,216 --> 01:08:31,156
We each sat in our own room...
1370
01:08:31,256 --> 01:08:33,596
(SCOFFS)
1371
01:08:33,696 --> 01:08:36,955
..listening to the trial,
but having to kind of, like,
1372
01:08:37,055 --> 01:08:39,835
scream across the rooms
and say things here and there
1373
01:08:39,935 --> 01:08:45,474
in order not to be,
I guess, in contempt of court.
1374
01:08:45,574 --> 01:08:46,954
DASSI: It doesn't make
any sense, and I think
1375
01:08:47,054 --> 01:08:48,514
it's the most ridiculous thing
in the world,
1376
01:08:48,614 --> 01:08:49,914
but here we are,
each watching it.
1377
01:08:50,014 --> 01:08:50,954
We can talk about it,
1378
01:08:51,054 --> 01:08:52,713
but we just can't
watch it together
1379
01:08:52,813 --> 01:08:53,953
on the same screen.
1380
01:08:54,053 --> 01:08:57,713
The next witness is up. Goodbye.
1381
01:08:57,813 --> 01:09:01,812
(HOPEFUL VOCAL MUSIC)
1382
01:09:05,212 --> 01:09:06,392
Hi. My name's Danny.
1383
01:09:06,492 --> 01:09:08,492
I was just hoping to
chase down a result, please.
1384
01:09:11,851 --> 01:09:13,991
Thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
1385
01:09:14,091 --> 01:09:16,311
-Do you have it?
-DANNY: I do, but...
1386
01:09:16,411 --> 01:09:18,470
Do you have... Did you hear it?
1387
01:09:18,570 --> 01:09:20,430
I didn't hear it.
Didn't hear it.
1388
01:09:20,530 --> 01:09:24,910
Whatever it is,
it's going to be OK, yes?
1389
01:09:25,010 --> 01:09:27,009
-Mm-hm.
-OK.
1390
01:09:30,849 --> 01:09:33,629
Yay. (LAUGHS)
1391
01:09:33,729 --> 01:09:37,208
-It's still in...
-It's hard not to be excited.
1392
01:09:39,008 --> 01:09:41,908
NICOLE: After suffering
secondary infertility
1393
01:09:42,008 --> 01:09:43,387
for two years
1394
01:09:43,487 --> 01:09:48,067
and having had
four pregnancy losses,
1395
01:09:48,167 --> 01:09:51,046
I became pregnant.
1396
01:09:52,366 --> 01:09:54,866
-It's good news.
-It is good news.
1397
01:09:54,966 --> 01:09:56,146
(SNIFFLES)
1398
01:09:56,246 --> 01:09:58,905
I remember thinking,
"This isn't the right time,"
1399
01:09:59,005 --> 01:10:03,665
at the same time thinking
this little life
1400
01:10:03,765 --> 01:10:07,524
would give me the strength
to get through trial.
1401
01:10:08,724 --> 01:10:10,824
She's not gonna
take it away from us.
1402
01:10:10,924 --> 01:10:12,924
No.
1403
01:10:20,123 --> 01:10:24,302
DASSI: We basically found out
that two of the charges
1404
01:10:24,402 --> 01:10:26,782
relating to Elly
might be dropped
1405
01:10:26,882 --> 01:10:29,742
because of a quirk in the law.
1406
01:10:29,842 --> 01:10:33,181
The legislation
changed around the time
1407
01:10:33,281 --> 01:10:35,741
that the incidents happened.
1408
01:10:35,841 --> 01:10:38,461
ELLY: Guys, here we go.
The news.
1409
01:10:38,561 --> 01:10:40,780
"Two charges against
former Melbourne principal
1410
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:41,900
"Malka Leifer dropped
1411
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,340
"as abuse trial nears end."
1412
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:44,980
NICOLE: Does it say why
in the article?
1413
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,180
ELLY: Of course
that's the headline.
1414
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,139
NICOLE: Mm-hm. Fucking hell.
1415
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:50,219
ELLY: It just makes it seem
like she was acquitted.
1416
01:10:50,319 --> 01:10:53,699
It says my name and then
the rest of it's just ramble.
1417
01:10:53,799 --> 01:10:55,339
NICOLE: Yeah, and 'The
Australian' just literally says,
1418
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:56,458
"Accused paedophile principal
1419
01:10:56,558 --> 01:10:58,138
"found not guilty
on two charges."
1420
01:10:58,238 --> 01:10:59,778
That's the whole fucking...
1421
01:10:59,878 --> 01:11:03,058
I knew that would make
the headlines like that.
1422
01:11:03,158 --> 01:11:05,897
And the jury has to be
smart enough to take all that in
1423
01:11:05,997 --> 01:11:08,137
and everything the prosecution
says, and the defence,
1424
01:11:08,237 --> 01:11:10,657
and then come back somehow
with some guilty verdicts.
1425
01:11:10,757 --> 01:11:13,536
-But it seems so impossible...
-It does.
1426
01:11:13,636 --> 01:11:15,576
..for them to overcome
all of that.
1427
01:11:15,676 --> 01:11:17,416
ELLY: That's true.
1428
01:11:17,516 --> 01:11:18,776
NICOLE:
Els, how was your appointment?
1429
01:11:18,876 --> 01:11:19,976
DASSI: Could you hear
the heartbeat?
1430
01:11:20,076 --> 01:11:21,335
-Yeah.
-Did you get another picture?
1431
01:11:21,435 --> 01:11:23,375
-DASSI: Did you take a video?
-Yeah, took a video.
1432
01:11:23,475 --> 01:11:24,735
-NICOLE: Can we listen to it?
-Yeah.
1433
01:11:24,835 --> 01:11:26,695
But it's a bit, like, scratchy.
1434
01:11:26,795 --> 01:11:28,175
-NICOLE: That's OK.
-DASSI: Doesn't matter.
1435
01:11:28,275 --> 01:11:31,674
(HEARTBEAT PULSES
OVER WHITE NOISE)
1436
01:11:33,554 --> 01:11:35,134
-NICOLE: Definitely hear it.
-DASSI: Oh, my gosh, Els.
1437
01:11:35,234 --> 01:11:36,774
NICOLE: That's beautiful.
Can I see the picture?
1438
01:11:36,874 --> 01:11:38,373
-This is the blob.
-DASSI: Can I see?
1439
01:11:38,473 --> 01:11:39,693
Wow.
1440
01:11:39,793 --> 01:11:41,253
ELLY: So it's just, like,
it's starting to get...
1441
01:11:41,353 --> 01:11:42,773
-You know, it's starting to...
-All clear.
1442
01:11:42,873 --> 01:11:44,873
-Can I see?
-ELLY: All clear, yeah.
1443
01:11:46,792 --> 01:11:48,852
ELLY: So we're gonna have
weekly scans,
1444
01:11:48,952 --> 01:11:52,492
and then, at 10 weeks now,
they can find out the sex.
1445
01:11:52,592 --> 01:11:55,071
-NICOLE: Are you going to?
-ELLY: Yeah.
1446
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:09,130
DASSI: Can we get home
as fast as possible?
1447
01:12:09,230 --> 01:12:12,109
My blood pressure
is crashing really badly.
1448
01:12:13,229 --> 01:12:14,529
Like, I might faint.
1449
01:12:14,629 --> 01:12:16,629
And that would really not
be good.
1450
01:12:17,789 --> 01:12:19,848
They keep repeating how brutal
it's going to be,
1451
01:12:19,948 --> 01:12:22,768
and we know that, but when
they keep repeating it, it...
1452
01:12:22,868 --> 01:12:24,888
Just hearing Ian's voice
during all the arguments,
1453
01:12:24,988 --> 01:12:26,927
he comes across
as someone so intelligent,
1454
01:12:27,027 --> 01:12:30,127
and then he puts these absolute
statements forward.
1455
01:12:30,227 --> 01:12:32,227
Yeah, that's what scares me.
1456
01:12:34,027 --> 01:12:35,326
ELLY: Yeah.
1457
01:12:35,426 --> 01:12:37,766
That was the first time
that I heard everything
1458
01:12:37,866 --> 01:12:41,186
that happened to you and
everything that happened to you.
1459
01:12:43,585 --> 01:12:45,585
(SIGHS)
1460
01:12:50,545 --> 01:12:53,884
DASSI: Thinking about
going into hospital.
1461
01:12:53,984 --> 01:12:56,124
Old coping mechanisms
are coming up,
1462
01:12:56,224 --> 01:12:58,564
self-destructive
coping mechanisms.
1463
01:12:58,664 --> 01:13:00,483
I'm using up energy I don't have
1464
01:13:00,583 --> 01:13:03,203
to fight these
self-destructive urges
1465
01:13:03,303 --> 01:13:06,963
because the feelings
with all of this trauma
1466
01:13:07,063 --> 01:13:09,062
is so overwhelming.
1467
01:13:13,422 --> 01:13:15,562
NICOLE: Dassi, I'm terrified.
1468
01:13:15,662 --> 01:13:18,881
What if I didn't do
a good enough job?
1469
01:13:18,981 --> 01:13:20,161
I'm so scared.
1470
01:13:20,261 --> 01:13:22,041
I can see that
you're very scared,
1471
01:13:22,141 --> 01:13:24,201
but you gave your evidence,
you did the best that you could.
1472
01:13:24,301 --> 01:13:26,080
He's finished his fricking
closing arguments,
1473
01:13:26,180 --> 01:13:27,240
like, finally.
1474
01:13:27,340 --> 01:13:29,480
You're gonna be in
such a state of anxiety
1475
01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:31,360
the whole time
that the jury is deliberating
1476
01:13:31,460 --> 01:13:33,119
if you keep thinking like that.
1477
01:13:33,219 --> 01:13:35,199
I know, but I only have
five charges,
1478
01:13:35,299 --> 01:13:37,279
but they were redacted
a huge part of my statement,
1479
01:13:37,379 --> 01:13:39,279
and they redacted bits
in my statement.
1480
01:13:39,379 --> 01:13:40,839
DASSI: If they find her guilty
1481
01:13:40,939 --> 01:13:43,078
that something that she did
for me or Elly,
1482
01:13:43,178 --> 01:13:46,358
then why are you lying about it
but we're saying the truth?
1483
01:13:46,458 --> 01:13:49,198
We think like that, but the way
that Ian put it to them today
1484
01:13:49,298 --> 01:13:50,517
and the way that they're
trying to discredit...
1485
01:13:50,617 --> 01:13:51,877
DASSI: The argument's stupid.
1486
01:13:51,977 --> 01:13:55,097
Yeah, but are the jury
smart enough to think that?
1487
01:13:56,977 --> 01:14:00,116
DASSI: The jury either believes
us or they don't believe us.
1488
01:14:00,216 --> 01:14:03,376
(SOMBRE MUSIC)
1489
01:14:11,455 --> 01:14:14,434
NICOLE: OK. Moving out of the
Quest today. Missing you, Els.
1490
01:14:14,534 --> 01:14:15,714
We'll send you this after.
1491
01:14:15,814 --> 01:14:18,034
This 3-, 4-day hiatus
might actually,
1492
01:14:18,134 --> 01:14:20,794
I don't know, maybe it'll
help us mentally reset,
1493
01:14:20,894 --> 01:14:22,194
but I don't really think
it will.
1494
01:14:22,294 --> 01:14:24,793
And we're just going
to be waiting for deliberation.
1495
01:14:24,893 --> 01:14:28,513
Yeah, moving back home and not
sure how I'm feeling about that,
1496
01:14:28,613 --> 01:14:31,392
but we are leaving
the Quest now.
1497
01:14:31,492 --> 01:14:32,672
Don't really have
much else to say.
1498
01:14:32,772 --> 01:14:33,912
I can see.
1499
01:14:34,012 --> 01:14:36,392
'Bye. I don't think
the 'bye' got on there.
1500
01:14:36,492 --> 01:14:37,792
We'll send it to Elly
1501
01:14:37,892 --> 01:14:39,871
and then she'll just get
a sense of where we are today.
1502
01:14:39,971 --> 01:14:41,471
I think she'll appreciate that.
1503
01:14:41,571 --> 01:14:43,071
I can send her
the bloopers as well.
1504
01:14:43,171 --> 01:14:45,171
Then they'll give her
something to laugh about.
1505
01:14:47,171 --> 01:14:48,430
DASSI: She's resting today
1506
01:14:48,530 --> 01:14:50,790
'cause she had surgery yesterday
1507
01:14:50,890 --> 01:14:53,810
and she is recovering
from that this morning.
1508
01:14:55,929 --> 01:14:56,909
What are you writing?
1509
01:14:57,009 --> 01:14:58,509
"Thank you.
We enjoyed our stay here."
1510
01:14:58,609 --> 01:15:01,569
I would've written more, but my
handwriting's a bit too shaky.
1511
01:15:02,809 --> 01:15:04,828
-Got it?
-Yep.
1512
01:15:04,928 --> 01:15:06,588
NICOLE: Let's just make sure
we check in with each other.
1513
01:15:06,688 --> 01:15:09,428
Do you want to make time
for coffee tomorrow or Friday?
1514
01:15:09,528 --> 01:15:12,527
I have no idea how I'm
gonna be feeling tomorrow.
1515
01:15:15,527 --> 01:15:16,987
NICOLE: Do you think
it's going to feel weird
1516
01:15:17,087 --> 01:15:18,427
not living together now?
1517
01:15:18,527 --> 01:15:19,907
DASSI: Yeah.
1518
01:15:20,007 --> 01:15:21,506
NICOLE: I think we'll just
end up calling each other,
1519
01:15:21,606 --> 01:15:22,586
like, 10 times a day.
1520
01:15:22,686 --> 01:15:24,146
DASSI: Back to usual life, hey?
1521
01:15:24,246 --> 01:15:26,106
-And we managed quite well.
-DASSI: We did.
1522
01:15:26,206 --> 01:15:27,266
Like, we didn't have any,
like...
1523
01:15:27,366 --> 01:15:28,625
DASSI: Did I drive you
too much insane?
1524
01:15:28,725 --> 01:15:30,305
No, not at all. Did I drive you?
1525
01:15:30,405 --> 01:15:32,385
DASSI: Slightly, at times.
(LAUGHS)
1526
01:15:32,485 --> 01:15:34,265
-In regards to what?
-DASSI: No, you really didn't.
1527
01:15:34,365 --> 01:15:35,905
You were actually really good.
1528
01:15:36,005 --> 01:15:37,784
NICOLE: How are you feeling
about the exposure and all that?
1529
01:15:37,884 --> 01:15:40,384
Going out, people are just
gonna, like, recognise you.
1530
01:15:40,484 --> 01:15:42,484
That, for me, is something
I'm struggling with.
1531
01:15:43,244 --> 01:15:45,023
I'm not ready to step
into the community,
1532
01:15:45,123 --> 01:15:46,943
simply because
trial's not finished yet.
1533
01:15:47,043 --> 01:15:48,263
There's no verdict.
1534
01:15:48,363 --> 01:15:50,343
We still have, you know,
all those days of waiting.
1535
01:15:50,443 --> 01:15:53,182
Even if I stay home and far away
from people as much as possible,
1536
01:15:53,282 --> 01:15:55,442
it's just a whole different
level of exposure.
1537
01:15:56,522 --> 01:15:57,782
It's not that, like,
I'm embarrassed
1538
01:15:57,882 --> 01:15:59,142
of what's out there,
because I'm not.
1539
01:15:59,242 --> 01:16:01,222
It's just the way that Ian
has said stuff
1540
01:16:01,322 --> 01:16:04,661
and the way it's come out in
the media, it just feels so...
1541
01:16:04,761 --> 01:16:06,761
-DASSI: Horrible.
-..not the truth.
1542
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,060
So, what, do I just say,
like, goodbye to you now?
1543
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,500
-This is so weird.
-DASSI: I know.
1544
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,060
-This is really, really strange.
-DASSI: Like, goodbye.
1545
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:18,339
I know.
1546
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,219
-OK, well, actually, goodbye.
-(LAUGHS)
1547
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:23,779
-Actually goodbye.
-Yeah. Love ya.
1548
01:16:23,879 --> 01:16:25,939
-Hug?
-I guess so. (LAUGHS)
1549
01:16:26,039 --> 01:16:27,338
-Love you.
-We actually never hug.
1550
01:16:27,438 --> 01:16:28,938
Will you open the open
the gate for me?
1551
01:16:29,038 --> 01:16:31,058
-It should be open, I think.
-Oh, that's right.
1552
01:16:31,158 --> 01:16:32,818
NICOLE: OK. See you.
1553
01:16:32,918 --> 01:16:34,917
(CAR STARTS)
1554
01:16:42,836 --> 01:16:45,196
(PENSIVE MUSIC)
1555
01:17:04,354 --> 01:17:08,693
ELLY: On Saturday night,
I was lying here in bed,
1556
01:17:08,793 --> 01:17:13,153
and I felt this...this...
1557
01:17:14,873 --> 01:17:19,452
..huge, um, breath
come out of me,
1558
01:17:19,552 --> 01:17:24,831
and I sat up and I said,
"Danny, I...I killed the baby."
1559
01:17:31,751 --> 01:17:34,530
We went straight to Cabrini.
1560
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:36,830
They had called in a specialist.
1561
01:17:38,110 --> 01:17:40,649
She just said, "I'm sorry."
1562
01:17:40,749 --> 01:17:44,769
I remember staring at
this light,
1563
01:17:44,869 --> 01:17:49,808
and as she was telling me the
news, this light just dimmed.
1564
01:17:49,908 --> 01:17:53,428
I remember just thinking,
"That's...that's...that's it."
1565
01:17:54,708 --> 01:17:57,827
All this... (SIGHS)
1566
01:18:01,067 --> 01:18:03,707
Like, this whole trial and...
1567
01:18:05,266 --> 01:18:07,566
This...this little...
1568
01:18:07,666 --> 01:18:11,726
You know, this little...
you know, fighter
1569
01:18:11,826 --> 01:18:13,445
I felt that I had in me,
1570
01:18:13,545 --> 01:18:16,625
this little warrior,
tried so hard...
1571
01:18:20,545 --> 01:18:24,264
..but it was...
it was just too much.
1572
01:18:28,184 --> 01:18:33,603
I told myself that
that's a trial baby
1573
01:18:33,703 --> 01:18:39,282
and now it will never be
affected by Leifer again.
1574
01:18:39,382 --> 01:18:41,782
(POIGNANT MUSIC)
1575
01:18:57,820 --> 01:19:00,700
(POIGNANT MUSIC CONTINUES)
1576
01:19:20,137 --> 01:19:22,677
DASSI: This past little break
from the court
1577
01:19:22,777 --> 01:19:24,977
grieving Elly's loss.
1578
01:19:27,097 --> 01:19:30,716
Spoke with
my therapist yesterday
1579
01:19:30,816 --> 01:19:35,756
and we're looking at
an admission to hospital.
1580
01:19:35,856 --> 01:19:38,655
How much more
can a person survive?
1581
01:19:40,015 --> 01:19:42,255
I don't know
and I don't want to find out.
1582
01:19:45,854 --> 01:19:48,594
NICOLE: We were told that
when the verdict arrives,
1583
01:19:48,694 --> 01:19:50,854
there is no time
for anyone to travel in.
1584
01:19:52,014 --> 01:19:54,113
So if we actually do want
to be there for the verdict,
1585
01:19:54,213 --> 01:19:56,113
we have to be in close
proximity to the court,
1586
01:19:56,213 --> 01:19:58,513
and we just
have to sit and wait.
1587
01:19:58,613 --> 01:20:00,792
Wouldn't it be good if it comes
before the weekend, though?
1588
01:20:00,892 --> 01:20:03,432
To go through a weekend
waiting till Monday...
1589
01:20:03,532 --> 01:20:05,512
DASSI: It's so quick.
Two and a half days.
1590
01:20:05,612 --> 01:20:07,072
I would say that's so quick.
1591
01:20:07,172 --> 01:20:09,591
When they're convicting someone
of something so serious,
1592
01:20:09,691 --> 01:20:11,431
naming someone a paedophile,
1593
01:20:11,531 --> 01:20:13,831
that's a big thing
for people to do,
1594
01:20:13,931 --> 01:20:15,431
so they take their time
to do that.
1595
01:20:15,531 --> 01:20:18,710
The scariest part is, if she's
not guilty in all 27 charges,
1596
01:20:18,810 --> 01:20:20,510
she goes back to Israel
that day.
1597
01:20:20,610 --> 01:20:22,430
There is nothing
to keep her back here for.
1598
01:20:22,530 --> 01:20:23,710
There's nothing that we can do.
1599
01:20:23,810 --> 01:20:26,069
And there's nothing we can do,
nuh.
1600
01:20:26,169 --> 01:20:27,469
That's too scary to think about.
1601
01:20:27,569 --> 01:20:29,109
I literally cannot
put my mind to that.
1602
01:20:29,209 --> 01:20:31,069
I can't process that.
1603
01:20:31,169 --> 01:20:33,189
If Leifer was found not guilty,
she would be going back
1604
01:20:33,289 --> 01:20:35,268
to her community in Israel
and saying,
1605
01:20:35,368 --> 01:20:37,028
"I've been found not guilty."
1606
01:20:37,128 --> 01:20:39,868
People trusting her
with their daughters again.
1607
01:20:39,968 --> 01:20:43,347
Definitely allowed doubts
to creep in,
1608
01:20:43,447 --> 01:20:46,567
especially with the way
that my mental health was.
1609
01:20:48,207 --> 01:20:51,406
We did not hear
any verdict today.
1610
01:20:54,646 --> 01:20:56,926
I am back in hospital...
1611
01:20:58,885 --> 01:21:02,525
..in the same ward
that I was in 11 years ago.
1612
01:21:04,565 --> 01:21:08,964
And I've got an evening ahead
of rising panic.
1613
01:21:12,484 --> 01:21:14,104
PENNY: The jury's
just asked a question.
1614
01:21:14,204 --> 01:21:17,343
They want some direction
on reaching a unanimous verdict.
1615
01:21:17,443 --> 01:21:19,823
There is what they've
described as a deadlock.
1616
01:21:19,923 --> 01:21:21,863
They really are struggling,
1617
01:21:21,963 --> 01:21:24,502
and I have seen
a jury being discharged
1618
01:21:24,602 --> 01:21:26,802
'cause they simply
couldn't come to a resolution.
1619
01:21:27,802 --> 01:21:31,022
So what the judge has given
is a perseverance direction.
1620
01:21:31,122 --> 01:21:33,461
DASSI: Did you see any of
their faces when they walked in?
1621
01:21:33,561 --> 01:21:36,261
-Yeah, they looked sorry.
-Yeah, I know.
1622
01:21:36,361 --> 01:21:37,661
But I don't know
what 'sorry' means.
1623
01:21:37,761 --> 01:21:39,021
"Sorry that I'm gonna deliver
a non-guilty?"
1624
01:21:39,121 --> 01:21:40,420
-Yeah, exactly.
-"Sorry that I'm gonna..."
1625
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:41,940
-That's what I got as well.
-I was trying to...
1626
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:43,100
-They looked, like, sad at us.
-Yeah.
1627
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:44,900
Ian Hill's made it a lot closer
1628
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,380
than a lot of us
anticipated it would be,
1629
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:49,339
and done a really good job
1630
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,179
in placing doubt
in the minds of the jurors.
1631
01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:54,179
PENNY:
He's a fantastic barrister.
1632
01:21:54,279 --> 01:21:58,218
It makes it easy to see
how he could get them
1633
01:21:58,318 --> 01:22:01,418
to come back with
a not guilty verdict.
1634
01:22:01,518 --> 01:22:04,098
We'll wait, hope.
1635
01:22:04,198 --> 01:22:06,337
Hope dies. Go home.
1636
01:22:06,437 --> 01:22:09,017
I'm just, like, on the verge of
tears. I don't want to talk.
1637
01:22:09,117 --> 01:22:11,057
NICOLE: Yeah, fair enough.
1638
01:22:11,157 --> 01:22:12,976
I can't imagine going
through another weekend
1639
01:22:13,076 --> 01:22:15,136
of this kind of uncertainty.
1640
01:22:15,236 --> 01:22:17,656
One weekend was bad enough,
1641
01:22:17,756 --> 01:22:20,496
and then the whole next week
and then another weekend.
1642
01:22:20,596 --> 01:22:22,135
And they're locked away
in this room
1643
01:22:22,235 --> 01:22:26,175
where they're not coming
to a decision for nine days.
1644
01:22:26,275 --> 01:22:28,615
It was torture.
1645
01:22:28,715 --> 01:22:31,634
(SOMBRE MUSIC)
1646
01:22:42,193 --> 01:22:43,733
WOMAN ON PHONE:
I just got the call.
1647
01:22:43,833 --> 01:22:45,253
They've got verdicts
on everything.
1648
01:22:45,353 --> 01:22:47,212
We're reconvening at 3:45.
1649
01:22:47,312 --> 01:22:48,572
-Speak to you soon.
-OK, OK.
1650
01:22:48,672 --> 01:22:49,932
-They've got...
-'Bye.
1651
01:22:50,032 --> 01:22:51,072
ELLY: They've got verdicts
on everything.
1652
01:22:51,152 --> 01:22:53,492
Guys, guys, guys.
What time is it?
1653
01:22:53,592 --> 01:22:54,811
It's happening. 2:45.
1654
01:22:54,911 --> 01:22:56,691
We've got to wait
another 40 minutes.
1655
01:22:56,791 --> 01:22:58,931
(ELLY EXCLAIMS)
1656
01:22:59,031 --> 01:23:00,811
(DASSI MUMBLES)
We're getting a verdict today.
1657
01:23:00,911 --> 01:23:02,770
-We're getting a verdict today.
-We're getting a verdict.
1658
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:04,010
Actually getting
a verdict today.
1659
01:23:04,110 --> 01:23:07,330
-Verdicts on everything.
-Verdicts on everything.
1660
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:11,489
DASSI: We're sitting just
gripping each other's hands,
1661
01:23:11,589 --> 01:23:14,369
waiting for the court
to quieten down,
1662
01:23:14,469 --> 01:23:17,169
for the judge to come in,
for the jury to come in,
1663
01:23:17,269 --> 01:23:21,068
for the judge to ask the jury
what their verdict is.
1664
01:23:22,908 --> 01:23:25,768
First five charges
belong to Nicole.
1665
01:23:25,868 --> 01:23:30,767
And the jury foreman stood up
and said, "Not guilty."
1666
01:23:30,867 --> 01:23:35,926
And then that continued
for the second and the third,
1667
01:23:36,026 --> 01:23:38,906
for the fourth, the fifth.
1668
01:23:40,146 --> 01:23:42,946
None of Nicole's charges
have been found guilty.
1669
01:23:43,945 --> 01:23:47,325
It was such a shock,
but it didn't really settle in,
1670
01:23:47,425 --> 01:23:48,605
probably, till that night.
1671
01:23:48,705 --> 01:23:51,205
Something kicked in
to be strong at that point
1672
01:23:51,305 --> 01:23:54,164
and not break down in that room.
1673
01:23:54,264 --> 01:23:57,604
And then they read charge six,
and it's guilty.
1674
01:23:57,704 --> 01:23:59,364
And then, you know,
it was guilty and guilty,
1675
01:23:59,464 --> 01:24:01,843
and then a couple of not
guilties thrown in there again.
1676
01:24:01,943 --> 01:24:04,163
And to me
it didn't make any sense,
1677
01:24:04,263 --> 01:24:08,342
but it was such a huge,
huge mix of emotions.
1678
01:24:10,902 --> 01:24:13,522
NEWSREADER: 15 years after the
former Elsternwick principal
1679
01:24:13,622 --> 01:24:15,042
fled to Israel,
1680
01:24:15,142 --> 01:24:18,641
Malka Leifer is tonight
a convicted child sex offender
1681
01:24:18,741 --> 01:24:21,881
guilty of 18 charges,
including six of rape.
1682
01:24:21,981 --> 01:24:23,881
REPORTER: She was found guilty
of eight charges
1683
01:24:23,981 --> 01:24:25,920
relating to youngest sister
Elly.
1684
01:24:26,020 --> 01:24:29,240
There were 14 charges
linked to middle sibling Dassi,
1685
01:24:29,340 --> 01:24:31,520
the verdict guilty on 10.
1686
01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:34,759
But for eldest sister Nicole,
a unanimous not guilty
1687
01:24:34,859 --> 01:24:38,299
on the five charges where
she was the alleged victim.
1688
01:24:39,419 --> 01:24:42,078
JUDGE: Mrs Leifer,
can you please say yes
1689
01:24:42,178 --> 01:24:44,238
if you can see and hear me...
1690
01:24:44,338 --> 01:24:45,478
LEIFER: Yes.
1691
01:24:45,578 --> 01:24:49,118
JUDGE: ..that your total
effective sentence
1692
01:24:49,218 --> 01:24:53,077
is 15 years imprisonment.
1693
01:24:53,177 --> 01:24:57,417
I fix a non-parole period
of 11 and a half years.
1694
01:24:58,696 --> 01:25:01,996
She abused the three of us
for so many years,
1695
01:25:02,096 --> 01:25:06,995
and while today's verdict
may not properly reflect that,
1696
01:25:07,095 --> 01:25:10,555
she is guilty and she will be
held accountable.
1697
01:25:10,655 --> 01:25:13,195
Justice was served today.
1698
01:25:13,295 --> 01:25:16,394
We did our best.
We did our best.
1699
01:25:16,494 --> 01:25:19,594
Today we can start to
take that power back
1700
01:25:19,694 --> 01:25:22,453
that she stole from us
as children.
1701
01:25:24,853 --> 01:25:27,033
REPORTER: Will your client
be appealing, Mr Hill?
1702
01:25:27,133 --> 01:25:29,913
IAN: There's nothing to say
at this stage.
1703
01:25:30,013 --> 01:25:32,152
REPORTER: Is this what
you expected, Mr Hill?
1704
01:25:32,252 --> 01:25:35,032
NICOLE: Guys, I'm really...
Really, I'm OK.
1705
01:25:35,132 --> 01:25:37,432
ELLY: Your strength
makes me feel OK.
1706
01:25:37,532 --> 01:25:38,472
-I prepared myself.
-DASSI: I know.
1707
01:25:38,572 --> 01:25:39,751
But we also know
that she was guilty.
1708
01:25:39,851 --> 01:25:41,911
NICOLE: But Ian
worked so bloody hard.
1709
01:25:42,011 --> 01:25:43,591
He wanted so badly
to discredit me,
1710
01:25:43,691 --> 01:25:44,951
and that's why
I prepared myself.
1711
01:25:45,051 --> 01:25:48,070
I did. So I'm OK.
1712
01:25:48,170 --> 01:25:49,550
NICOLE: Now I'm getting
fricking sorry messages.
1713
01:25:49,650 --> 01:25:50,550
I don't want that.
1714
01:25:50,650 --> 01:25:51,910
Like, it's just not necessary.
1715
01:25:52,010 --> 01:25:54,550
We just never thought
that we would reach, like,
1716
01:25:54,650 --> 01:25:56,029
this day, like, today.
1717
01:25:56,129 --> 01:25:58,389
-This is surreal, this moment.
-It is.
1718
01:25:58,489 --> 01:26:00,229
What do we want to do? (LAUGHS)
1719
01:26:00,329 --> 01:26:02,789
-We're so, like, in shock.
-ELLY: Someone needs to...
1720
01:26:02,889 --> 01:26:04,828
Someone else needs to
make decisions right now.
1721
01:26:04,928 --> 01:26:06,348
NICOLE: Wherever we are,
we'll be together.
1722
01:26:06,448 --> 01:26:07,548
We can be in a hotel.
1723
01:26:07,648 --> 01:26:09,668
I don't know.
I can't go in a car yet.
1724
01:26:09,768 --> 01:26:11,588
I'll fricking
jump out the window.
1725
01:26:11,688 --> 01:26:13,787
(SOMBRE MUSIC)
1726
01:26:13,887 --> 01:26:17,107
It was a very difficult
judgement for Nicole
1727
01:26:17,207 --> 01:26:20,586
and I think you can still
see that in her eyes.
1728
01:26:20,686 --> 01:26:25,466
The judge in the Leifer case
chose to exclude some evidence.
1729
01:26:25,566 --> 01:26:29,145
The history of the school itself
and prior allegations
1730
01:26:29,245 --> 01:26:30,665
that the school had ignored,
1731
01:26:30,765 --> 01:26:35,885
and the story of Leifer being
scuttled out of the country.
1732
01:26:37,364 --> 01:26:39,664
The verdict in
Nicole's allegations
1733
01:26:39,764 --> 01:26:40,784
would have been different
1734
01:26:40,884 --> 01:26:42,884
had all that information
been available.
1735
01:26:46,523 --> 01:26:48,623
DASSI:
1736
01:26:48,723 --> 01:26:50,943
I know. I know that.
But she's got something.
1737
01:26:51,043 --> 01:26:53,482
She did get a win.
Her win was with me.
1738
01:26:56,882 --> 01:26:58,182
I put up a Facebook post
1739
01:26:58,282 --> 01:27:00,822
so people would just stop
telling me how sorry they are.
1740
01:27:00,922 --> 01:27:02,501
WOMAN ON PHONE:
Apparently, ABC reported
1741
01:27:02,601 --> 01:27:06,341
that Adass issued
a public apology to the victims
1742
01:27:06,441 --> 01:27:07,541
and commended
how brave they were.
1743
01:27:07,641 --> 01:27:08,741
DASSI: Oh, wow.
1744
01:27:08,841 --> 01:27:10,180
But why didn't they give us
their support
1745
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,020
while the whole thing
was going on?
1746
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,300
Yeah, yeah, it's a completely...
1747
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,500
DASSI: "Oh, my gosh,
she's actually guilty.
1748
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,619
"Oh, we should probably
say something now.
1749
01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:22,179
"Not when we send her away
or pay for her tickets."
1750
01:27:22,279 --> 01:27:24,739
So genuine, so authentic.
1751
01:27:24,839 --> 01:27:26,838
(POIGNANT MUSIC)
1752
01:27:35,677 --> 01:27:37,537
ELLY:
What's the overriding feelings
1753
01:27:37,637 --> 01:27:39,137
that you guys are feeling now?
1754
01:27:39,237 --> 01:27:41,237
NICOLE: I'm just worried
that no-one believes me.
1755
01:27:42,916 --> 01:27:43,776
(NOTIFICATION CHIMES)
1756
01:27:43,876 --> 01:27:45,216
DASSI: 'Australian Jewish News'.
1757
01:27:45,316 --> 01:27:46,416
Do you want to talk to them?
1758
01:27:46,516 --> 01:27:49,056
Um, they can call tomorrow.
There's no rush.
1759
01:27:49,156 --> 01:27:50,615
They don't put out
their paper till Wednesday,
1760
01:27:50,715 --> 01:27:52,855
so no rush for them.
1761
01:27:52,955 --> 01:27:54,895
DASSI: 'The New York Times'
just sent an email.
1762
01:27:54,995 --> 01:27:56,695
NICOLE: Just send my number
if you want me to...
1763
01:27:56,795 --> 01:27:58,015
I'll just forward you
the email, Chams,
1764
01:27:58,115 --> 01:27:59,494
and then
you can respond to them.
1765
01:27:59,594 --> 01:28:01,594
OK.
1766
01:28:01,994 --> 01:28:04,134
-ELLY: Is there more pizza?
-There's more pizza.
1767
01:28:04,234 --> 01:28:06,734
It's kind of just small,
small bite-size.
1768
01:28:06,834 --> 01:28:08,533
Chams, do you want some pizza?
1769
01:28:08,633 --> 01:28:11,693
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
1770
01:28:11,793 --> 01:28:14,573
-No.
-Just to clink glasses?
1771
01:28:14,673 --> 01:28:15,852
-OK.
-OK.
1772
01:28:15,952 --> 01:28:18,872
(REFLECTIVE MUSIC)
1773
01:28:23,552 --> 01:28:25,971
To guilty, guys.
1774
01:28:26,071 --> 01:28:28,091
NICOLE: I held it together
pretty much until that night,
1775
01:28:28,191 --> 01:28:30,571
when I had a therapy session
late that night,
1776
01:28:30,671 --> 01:28:33,450
and I think that was, like,
the one and only time
1777
01:28:33,550 --> 01:28:35,130
she ever offered
to keep her phone on.
1778
01:28:35,230 --> 01:28:38,050
I said no, because I wouldn't
impose that on anyone.
1779
01:28:38,150 --> 01:28:40,689
DASSI: I think for any victim
that gets not guilty,
1780
01:28:40,789 --> 01:28:42,089
it's not an ending.
1781
01:28:42,189 --> 01:28:44,189
There's just no closure.
1782
01:28:45,829 --> 01:28:48,488
I feel relieved because
she'd been found guilty.
1783
01:28:48,588 --> 01:28:49,928
There was definitely that.
1784
01:28:50,028 --> 01:28:53,528
Then devastation because
Nicole hadn't got justice.
1785
01:28:53,628 --> 01:28:55,728
And how do we walk away
from that,
1786
01:28:55,828 --> 01:28:57,987
not being able to walk
away from it together?
1787
01:29:04,147 --> 01:29:05,846
Receiving not guilty
has made sure
1788
01:29:05,946 --> 01:29:08,086
that she will be in me
for the rest of my life,
1789
01:29:08,186 --> 01:29:10,326
like, we will still be
interconnected because of that.
1790
01:29:10,426 --> 01:29:12,046
No matter how much I try
and move away from her,
1791
01:29:12,146 --> 01:29:15,245
my need to prove
that she did that,
1792
01:29:15,345 --> 01:29:17,525
it just means
that she'll be in my head,
1793
01:29:17,625 --> 01:29:19,965
goodness knows,
maybe the rest of my life.
1794
01:29:20,065 --> 01:29:22,344
(SOMBRE MUSIC)
1795
01:29:26,464 --> 01:29:31,563
How could something so
traumatising for so many years
1796
01:29:31,663 --> 01:29:34,883
fighting for justice
turn out like this?
1797
01:29:34,983 --> 01:29:36,983
I don't know how to go on.
1798
01:29:38,942 --> 01:29:44,522
Getting justice is something
that has kept me alive.
1799
01:29:44,622 --> 01:29:48,861
I don't know how to
just take the not guilty.
1800
01:29:50,501 --> 01:29:53,961
There has been no minute,
not waking or sleeping,
1801
01:29:54,061 --> 01:29:56,640
that I have been able
1802
01:29:56,740 --> 01:30:01,180
to escape the pain
of the verdict.
1803
01:30:03,179 --> 01:30:05,499
-(TRAFFIC HUBBUB)
-(TRAM BELL RINGS)
1804
01:30:21,217 --> 01:30:24,057
(INDISTINCT CHATTER
AND LAUGHTER)
1805
01:30:27,936 --> 01:30:29,196
DASSI: The response
from the book
1806
01:30:29,296 --> 01:30:31,716
has been overwhelmingly
positive.
1807
01:30:31,816 --> 01:30:33,516
DASSI: Thank you so much
for coming this morning.
1808
01:30:33,616 --> 01:30:36,035
WOMAN: Oh, look,
you were the highlight for me
1809
01:30:36,135 --> 01:30:37,395
coming to this festival.
1810
01:30:37,495 --> 01:30:40,195
-Best of luck to you.
-Thank you so much.
1811
01:30:40,295 --> 01:30:42,115
To know that words
that I've written,
1812
01:30:42,215 --> 01:30:46,554
people have either been
educated from, inspired by,
1813
01:30:46,654 --> 01:30:48,554
or in some ways it resonates
with them
1814
01:30:48,654 --> 01:30:50,634
and they feel less alone
in their journey,
1815
01:30:50,734 --> 01:30:53,313
I mean, that's such
an amazing thing to hear.
1816
01:30:53,413 --> 01:30:56,333
So there's definitely
a sense of pride.
1817
01:30:57,613 --> 01:31:00,632
(ELLY HUMS TUNEFULLY)
1818
01:31:00,732 --> 01:31:04,432
ELLY: A month after verdict,
we fell pregnant.
1819
01:31:04,532 --> 01:31:07,312
The pregnancy was high risk.
1820
01:31:07,412 --> 01:31:10,751
There were many complications
throughout.
1821
01:31:10,851 --> 01:31:13,911
Our little daughter came
into the world quite early.
1822
01:31:14,011 --> 01:31:17,750
She fought all the way
through NICU and special care,
1823
01:31:17,850 --> 01:31:21,350
and she's home with us now
and continues to thrive
1824
01:31:21,450 --> 01:31:25,189
and grow
and give us so much joy.
1825
01:31:25,289 --> 01:31:27,289
Ah!
1826
01:31:31,769 --> 01:31:33,788
NICOLE: I think right now,
where I'm holding,
1827
01:31:33,888 --> 01:31:36,908
which is a year and 11 weeks
since the verdict -
1828
01:31:37,008 --> 01:31:40,548
I'm still counting because it's
still that significant to me -
1829
01:31:40,648 --> 01:31:42,787
I think
I'm in a much better place.
1830
01:31:42,887 --> 01:31:47,267
A few months after, some kind
of fire reawakened inside me
1831
01:31:47,367 --> 01:31:50,226
and I decided that Malka Leifer
is just not going to shut me up.
1832
01:31:50,326 --> 01:31:52,626
So I opened up a TikTok account.
1833
01:31:52,726 --> 01:31:55,186
It just grew, and the amount
of people that told me
1834
01:31:55,286 --> 01:31:58,105
it resonated with them gave me
more confidence to keep growing.
1835
01:31:58,205 --> 01:31:59,985
I realised
that I do have an ability,
1836
01:32:00,085 --> 01:32:03,625
and I know I have had for years,
to be able to support others,
1837
01:32:03,725 --> 01:32:06,584
before I eventually,
hopefully, study law next year.
1838
01:32:06,684 --> 01:32:10,064
So I am definitely
in a stronger, better place
1839
01:32:10,164 --> 01:32:12,644
than I have been for a while.
1840
01:32:14,963 --> 01:32:18,343
TED: My view about Dassi
has only been reinforced.
1841
01:32:18,443 --> 01:32:23,222
She's a remarkable young woman,
as are her two sisters.
1842
01:32:23,322 --> 01:32:27,062
They've been through hell,
they've survived.
1843
01:32:27,162 --> 01:32:29,162
All power to them.
1844
01:32:30,322 --> 01:32:31,701
DANIELLE: If it wasn't
for the sisters
1845
01:32:31,801 --> 01:32:33,941
making as much noise
as they did,
1846
01:32:34,041 --> 01:32:36,341
Leifer would still be in Israel.
1847
01:32:36,441 --> 01:32:40,180
They are the most resilient,
courageous women
1848
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:42,800
that I've ever had
the honour of knowing.
1849
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:47,779
MATAN: I really admire them
for taking that step forward,
1850
01:32:47,879 --> 01:32:51,539
for being role models
for other victims.
1851
01:32:51,639 --> 01:32:55,459
(AIRY VOCAL MUSIC)
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