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Hamed?
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Condor, this is Alpha Two.
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We have the package.
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As you were.
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This morning, the
president authorized
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the convening
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of a military tribunal.
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The tribunal will take place
aboard the U.S.S. Seahawk.
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The accused is a top Al
Qaeda leader named...
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Mustafa Atef.
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As you know, there hasn't
been a military tribunal
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in this country
for over 50 years.
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Now... I recognize the fact
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that defending this man
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may be the hardest thing
any of you have ever done.
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With that in mind,
I've decided to ask
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for a volunteer.
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Hell of a challenge, Commander.
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Well, sir, if it is
the admiral's wish,
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I will do my best.
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Don't hear a volunteer
in that. Colonel?
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Um, like the commander,
I would do my best, sir.
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Well...
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I will not order this one.
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I'll defend him myself.
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Anyone for second chair?
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Admiral, I'd be privileged
if you'll have me.
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Done.
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Commander, you and
the colonel will prosecute.
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Prepare to leave tonight.
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Aye, aye, sir. Yes, sir.
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Lieutenant Singer,
in my absence you will
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be in charge of
JAG administration.
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You will e-mail me
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sitreps twice a day
and decision documents
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with single-page cover summary.
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Aye, aye, sir.
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That'll be all.
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Nice move, sir.
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Move, Lieutenant?
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Wish I'd thought quick enough
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to volunteer for second chair.
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I spoke up because it's a
chance to be a part of history.
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Not to mention lots
of extra face time
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with the admiral, right, sir?
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Wrong, Lieutenant.
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That didn't enter
into my thinking at all.
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And you'll be a
much better officer
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when it stops
entering into yours.
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MacKENZIE: How's
your Fifth Amendment?
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Kind of a personal
question, isn't it?
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My constitutional law
could use a little work.
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And we'd better come
up with a game plan
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because you know the
admiral will have one.
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We don't leave for
Andrews until 2300.
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I'll order in so we can
do some issue spotting.
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Why don't I cook, and
then we can carpool?
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Yeah, all right.
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Sir, ma'am?
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I just want to say good luck.
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It's the first time
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I've ever wanted to
prosecute someone myself.
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I think anyone involved in 9-11
ought to be drawn and quartered.
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Is there anything you need to
prepare for your trip, Admiral?
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No.
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Perhaps some aspirin, sir.
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Thanks, Tiner.
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Aye, sir.
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Hey.
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Hey, I didn't want
to spill anything on it.
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Let me hang it up. Thanks.
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Let me take that.
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Whoa... this is nice.
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Yeah, a little grilled
salmon and vegetables...
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Brain food.
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Great. Can I help?
Let me do something.
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No, it's all taken
care of... have a seat.
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Okay.
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Well, the first issue is:
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Can the president hold
a military tribunal at all?
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Deciding criminal liability
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should be a matter
for the courts.
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Well, the answer is yes.
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During World War II,
six German saboteurs
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were tried and
hanged at a tribunal.
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The Supreme Court upheld it.
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But during the Civil War,
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the Supreme Court
criticized military tribunals.
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That's because they
included U.S. citizens.
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I think the president took
the curse off this thing, Mac,
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when he excluded
U.S. citizens at tribunals.
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These terrorists are fair game.
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You may have convinced
yourself of that, Harm,
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but that's got to be
their opening salvo.
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I don't think the admiral's
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going to want to tell the judges
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they came all that
way for nothing.
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He'd lose and he knows it.
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We have to be
prepared for it, anyway.
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That's a waste of time.
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We have very little to spare.
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The facts in this
case are so sensitive,
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we don't even get them
until we're aboard the carrier.
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I'm going to pass on the
jurisdiction line of attack.
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My responsibility.
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Um, excuse me, but
who made you first chair?
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The admiral mentioned
my name first.
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So...?
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All right, all right,
I'll tell you what.
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We'll flip for it.
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Okay.
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You call it.
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Heads.
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Oh!
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Ah. Sorry.
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You okay?
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Yeah, but I'm second chair.
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I'll be gentle.
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Don't be gentle. Be good.
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Hi, sweetie.
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I'm dead tired,
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but in a really good way.
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Miss you and A.J. like crazy.
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A.J. and I miss you, too.
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Commander Rabb
and Colonel MacKenzie
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are on their way to you.
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I know. They should
be here within the hour.
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I can't wait.
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Be nice to see a familiar face.
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Lieutenant Sims...
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Is there something I can
do for you, Lieutenant?
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You can do your job
when you're on my time.
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Listen up!
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Contrary to what
some of you may think,
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I am not the substitute teacher.
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While the admiral is away,
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this place is going to run
smoothly and by the numbers.
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Tiner! Tiner!
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Yes, ma'am.
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With me. Yes, ma'am.
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Still there?
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I'm still here.
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How are things at JAG?
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What is that?
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Fire drill, ma'am.
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Let's go, people!
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Secure classified material,
make an orderly exit.
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Do it quickly! Quickly!
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Stand by on the flight deck!
Stand by on the flight deck!
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Judge Advocate General arriving.
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Stand and salute!
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Welcome aboard,
Admiral, Officers.
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Let's get on with
this, shall we?
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By all means, Admiral.
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If you'll follow me, Lieutenant
Roberts will see to your staff.
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Good to see you
again, Petty Officer.
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I didn't know you'd been
assigned to the Seahawk.
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Yes, sir, as Lieutenant
Roberts' legalman.
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Well, I hope you're
keeping your nose clean.
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That's affirmative, sir.
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Harriet never mentioned
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that Petty Officer Coates
was your legalman.
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Well, I-I don't think
that I told her, ma'am.
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Well, Lieutenant, if
you haven't... you better.
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Yes, sir.
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Here we are.
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Your desks are right over here.
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I'll get you all some coffee.
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Thanks, Jen.
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Sir, ma'am, before we start,
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can I ask how Harriet's doing?
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She's doing fine, Bud. Why?
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Well, we exchange e-mails
about 20 times a day...
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and yesterday, I asked how
everything was going at JAG,
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and she said that
she was doomed.
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I have two words for you,
Bud: Lieutenant Singer.
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The admiral left her in
charge of support staff.
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She's senior.
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That's a prescription
for disaster.
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It'll be all right.
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Oh, really?
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Are we talking about the
same wildly ambitious climber...
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Probably needs something
like this to see the light.
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MacKENZIE: Yeah, don't
worry. Let's talk about the case.
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Can you fill us in?
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Uh, absolutely, ma'am.
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Now, I haven't been part
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of any of the interrogations,
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but I have been briefed.
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Now, the defendant's
name is Mustafa Atef.
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He's a Saudi citizen and a
captain in the Saudi army.
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He was trained in England,
he speaks eight languages
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and, according to the
best information available,
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Mustafa was also
known as "Monhadese."
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"The architect."
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And number three in Al Qaeda.
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He's head of their
training program.
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That's all the camps worldwide...
Mohandese designed them,
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he set them up, he even
wrote the training manuals.
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Busy man. Do we have anything
linking this Mohandese to 9-11?
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Well, they're pretty sure
that he was part of 9-11, sir,
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but even proving that
Mustafa Atef, and Mohandese
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are one and the
same won't be easy.
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Evening, Admiral...
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Commander.
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Webb, I didn't know
you were on board.
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I'm not.
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He's all yours,
Admiral, Commander.
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Mr. Atef, I'm
Admiral Chegwidden,
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this is Commander Turner.
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Whatever games you have
come to play, save them.
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Nothing more will I tell you.
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We're not here to interrogate
you, we're attorneys.
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We came to defend
you of the war crimes
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of which you've been charged.
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Crimes.
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Americans have the
worst kind of arrogance.
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You think you
alone define truth.
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It us for you to say
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what is right and who is wrong.
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No.
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It is for Allah to say,
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and I require no defense.
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Mr. Atef, that's an
excellent approach
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if you want to be executed.
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All rise.
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Be seated.
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Is the Government
ready to proceed?
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If it please the
court, Your Honor,
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I'd like to object to my client
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being shackled like an animal.
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It's unnecessary,
inhumane, and prejudicial.
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Your Honor, the shackles
are there to ensure security
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and proper order during
these proceedings.
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Marines, remove the
handcuffs, leave the leg irons.
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If there are any incidents,
they'll be put back on.
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Ready, Commander.
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Your Honor, the Government
calls Army Captain Dale Alexander.
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Captain, what was your
mission on the night in question?
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Please describe it for the court
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in as much detail as possible.
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To apprehend Mustafa
Atef, a.k.a. Mohandese, sir.
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Objection. Move to strike.
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It's not been established that
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Mr. Atef and Mohandese
are one and the same.
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Sustained and stricken.
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Continue, Captain.
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Our A-team found an
unexploded GBU-15
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just outside of Mazar-e-Sharif.
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That's a 2,000-pound bomb...
Could devastate the village.
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My demolitions man
deactivated it safely.
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The next day, our
guide told us that
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the local warlord,
General Hassan Abdullah
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was grateful and
wanted to see us.
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What did General Abdullah
have to say, Captain?
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Objection. Hearsay.
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Your Honor, this is
not a court-martial.
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The tribunal's evidentiary rules
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expressly permit hearsay.
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Only that hearsay which appears
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credible and reliable...
This is neither.
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Your Honor, counsel is
getting ahead of himself.
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Our intent is to compensate for
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the fog of war, and to
provide a full and clear
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picture of the circumstances.
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That is what Captain
Alexander's testimony will do, sir.
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We'll allow it.
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Thank you.
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Captain, what did General
Abdullah have to say?
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He said Mohandese
had contacted him
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for safe conduct to
the Pakistani border.
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To repay us for
saving the village,
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General Abdullah gave
us the time and place
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to apprehend the accused.
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And is the man General Abdullah
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identified as Mohandese
in this courtroom?
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Yes, sir. He's right there.
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Thank you, Captain.
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Nothing further.
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Captain Alexander,
I have here a dossier
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on General Abdullah
prepared by you.
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In it, you state that
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the general is a suspected
drug runner, don't you?
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Yes, sir.
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00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,118
You also state that
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he had former close ties
to Al Qaeda, is that correct?
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00:14:21,794 --> 00:14:22,894
Yes, sir.
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Makes him effective.
289
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Did it ever occur to you
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that he might have
something to gain
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by fingering someone else
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00:14:28,384 --> 00:14:30,017
as Mohandese?
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Objection. Argumentative.
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Sustained.
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If General Abdullah was sure
that Mr. Atef was Mohandese,
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he could have captured
him himself, couldn't he?
297
00:14:41,330 --> 00:14:42,479
No, sir.
298
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Right now he's running
a detention camp
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processing captured
Taliban and Al Qaeda.
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Captain Alexander, can
you say with 100% certainty
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that Mr. Atef is Mohandese?
302
00:14:56,946 --> 00:14:58,279
No, sir.
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Thank you. Nothing further.
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Redirect, Commander.
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Yes, Your Honor.
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Captain, did you stop
at said detention camp
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for Taliban and Al Qaeda
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while bringing the
accused to the ship?
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Yes, sir.
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Were your activities
there videotaped?
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Yes, sir. Your
Honor, I would like
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to draw the court's attention
to the monitor on my left.
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Mohandese, Mohandese,
Mohandese, Mohandese...
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00:15:27,627 --> 00:15:28,820
It seems the other detainees
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00:15:28,844 --> 00:15:30,884
thought you had the
right man, Captain.
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Nothing further.
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00:15:34,301 --> 00:15:37,051
Captain Alexander,
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00:15:37,119 --> 00:15:39,554
according to your
after-action report,
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something happened right
before you apprehended Mr. Atef.
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00:15:43,526 --> 00:15:45,204
Can you describe
that for us, please?
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00:15:45,228 --> 00:15:47,278
Yes, sir.
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00:15:47,347 --> 00:15:49,880
Just as we reached our vehicle
to exfiltrate the target area,
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00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:51,982
a sniper opened up.
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Take one; flank him.
325
00:15:55,137 --> 00:15:57,355
Trewick, follow me.
326
00:16:03,896 --> 00:16:05,976
When we reached
the sniper's position...
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00:16:06,032 --> 00:16:08,666
he was gone.
328
00:16:08,735 --> 00:16:10,895
In fact, that sniper could
have been Mohandese
329
00:16:10,937 --> 00:16:12,965
and you wouldn't have
known it, would you?
330
00:16:12,989 --> 00:16:15,222
It's possible, sir,
but I believe...
331
00:16:15,291 --> 00:16:17,019
Thank you. Nothing further.
332
00:16:17,043 --> 00:16:19,994
Uh, redirect again, Your Honor.
333
00:16:20,063 --> 00:16:21,173
Proceed.
334
00:16:21,197 --> 00:16:23,208
Captain, who do you
think the sniper was?
335
00:16:23,232 --> 00:16:24,381
Could be anybody, sir.
336
00:16:24,450 --> 00:16:26,512
We encounter snipers
at least twice a day.
337
00:16:26,536 --> 00:16:28,186
Thank you. Nothing further.
338
00:16:30,890 --> 00:16:32,518
How do you think it went today?
339
00:16:32,542 --> 00:16:34,274
Will the Afghani
warlord testify?
340
00:16:34,343 --> 00:16:36,588
Can Mustafa Atef
really get a fair trial?
341
00:16:36,612 --> 00:16:37,778
He is getting a fair trial.
342
00:16:37,847 --> 00:16:38,927
We'll present our case,
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00:16:38,981 --> 00:16:40,726
the accused will receive
a vigorous defense
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and then the tribunal
members will decide.
345
00:16:42,618 --> 00:16:43,862
It's that simple. Excuse us.
346
00:16:43,886 --> 00:16:45,619
How do you know
Mohandese is the man...
347
00:16:45,688 --> 00:16:47,855
Thanks. Anytime. You okay?
348
00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:50,201
I will be as soon as
this bastard goes down.
349
00:16:50,225 --> 00:16:51,437
We have his confession.
350
00:16:51,461 --> 00:16:53,941
The moment the
judges hear it, he's done.
351
00:16:54,681 --> 00:16:57,848
You fought hard in there.
352
00:16:57,917 --> 00:17:00,918
Why?
353
00:17:00,987 --> 00:17:04,922
Mr. Atef, what happened
on September 11
354
00:17:04,991 --> 00:17:06,941
was reprehensible,
355
00:17:07,010 --> 00:17:12,463
but our way of life
entitles you to a fair trial,
356
00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:16,249
no matter how cowardly the act.
357
00:17:16,318 --> 00:17:20,437
A wise precaution for a
nation so morally corrupt.
358
00:17:20,506 --> 00:17:26,260
Want to know what I
say about September 11?
359
00:17:26,329 --> 00:17:30,547
Every single person
who died that day
360
00:17:30,616 --> 00:17:33,751
got exactly what they deserved.
361
00:17:35,538 --> 00:17:36,920
Sir.
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00:17:36,989 --> 00:17:38,238
Admiral.
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00:17:54,641 --> 00:17:56,957
Lieutenant... Singer.
364
00:17:57,026 --> 00:17:59,266
I'll be working out of
here for now, Petty Officer.
365
00:17:59,312 --> 00:18:01,545
Are you sure
that's such a good...
366
00:18:03,232 --> 00:18:04,781
Yes, ma'am.
367
00:18:04,850 --> 00:18:07,067
Send in Lieutenant Sims.
368
00:18:07,136 --> 00:18:09,120
Aye, aye, sir. Ma'am.
369
00:18:09,188 --> 00:18:10,371
Lieutenant?
370
00:18:15,528 --> 00:18:17,339
What are you doing
in the admiral's office?
371
00:18:17,363 --> 00:18:18,473
My job.
372
00:18:18,497 --> 00:18:21,399
I want a complete update
of all JAG instructions.
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00:18:21,468 --> 00:18:24,235
That means classified
materials handling,
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00:18:24,304 --> 00:18:26,754
budgeting, personnel...
The whole nine yards,
375
00:18:26,823 --> 00:18:29,407
and I want it on my desk
by the end of the week.
376
00:18:36,949 --> 00:18:38,527
Please state your
name and position.
377
00:18:38,551 --> 00:18:39,700
Clayton Webb,
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00:18:39,769 --> 00:18:41,680
Assistant Deputy
Director for Operations,
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00:18:41,704 --> 00:18:42,753
Southwest Asia.
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00:18:42,822 --> 00:18:44,316
MacKENZIE: What is
your role in this case?
381
00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:45,660
I developed the intelligence
382
00:18:45,708 --> 00:18:47,140
on the activities of Mohandese,
383
00:18:47,209 --> 00:18:51,061
identifying him as a
target for Special Forces.
384
00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:53,614
Subsequently, I
supervised his interrogation.
385
00:18:53,682 --> 00:18:55,928
And did you learn anything
during this interrogation?
386
00:18:55,952 --> 00:18:58,302
The accused confessed
to being Mohandese
387
00:18:58,371 --> 00:19:02,223
and to directing the training of
roughly 4,000 Al Qaeda fighters.
388
00:19:02,292 --> 00:19:04,392
Including the
individuals responsible
389
00:19:04,460 --> 00:19:06,143
for the September 11 attacks
390
00:19:06,212 --> 00:19:09,563
on the World Trade
Center and the Pentagon?
391
00:19:10,666 --> 00:19:12,299
Yes.
392
00:19:12,368 --> 00:19:13,612
Your Honor,
393
00:19:13,636 --> 00:19:15,269
the transcript of
said interrogation
394
00:19:15,338 --> 00:19:16,670
is hereby offered into evidence.
395
00:19:16,739 --> 00:19:17,982
Nothing further.
396
00:19:18,006 --> 00:19:20,006
Defense, your witness.
397
00:19:22,912 --> 00:19:24,957
How long did it take Mr. Atef
to enter this confession?
398
00:19:24,981 --> 00:19:26,797
13 days.
399
00:19:26,866 --> 00:19:30,284
During that 13 days, what
was Mr. Atef's environment like?
400
00:19:30,353 --> 00:19:32,819
He was under
hostile interrogation.
401
00:19:32,888 --> 00:19:35,189
Can you elaborate
for us, Mr. Webb?
402
00:19:35,258 --> 00:19:38,425
Bright phosphorescent
lights on all day and all night.
403
00:19:38,494 --> 00:19:40,561
Loud, heavy metal music.
404
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:44,031
Alternating extremes
of cold and heat.
405
00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:47,434
And did being sleep-deprived,
sore from restraints,
406
00:19:47,503 --> 00:19:50,387
rattled by noise,
temperature and light
407
00:19:50,456 --> 00:19:53,174
get Mr. Atef to confess?
408
00:19:53,242 --> 00:19:55,226
No.
409
00:19:55,294 --> 00:19:57,277
We introduced a Pentothal agent.
410
00:19:57,346 --> 00:19:58,579
Though Pentothal agents
411
00:19:58,648 --> 00:20:00,915
are commonly referred
to as "truth serums,"
412
00:20:00,983 --> 00:20:02,761
are you aware
that a person could
413
00:20:02,785 --> 00:20:04,952
still confess to
something they didn't do
414
00:20:05,020 --> 00:20:06,236
just to be let alone?
415
00:20:06,305 --> 00:20:08,839
Objection. Counsel is
providing his own testimony.
416
00:20:08,908 --> 00:20:10,240
Withdrawn.
417
00:20:10,309 --> 00:20:12,209
Thank you, Mr. Webb.
418
00:20:12,278 --> 00:20:13,627
Redirect, Colonel?
419
00:20:13,696 --> 00:20:15,679
No, Your Honor.
420
00:20:15,748 --> 00:20:16,830
Very well.
421
00:20:16,899 --> 00:20:18,859
You may step down,
Mr. Webb. Thank you.
422
00:20:24,807 --> 00:20:26,573
Your Honor, I must move
423
00:20:26,643 --> 00:20:29,527
to exclude Mustafa
Atef's confession.
424
00:20:29,595 --> 00:20:31,478
13 days of torture to obtain
425
00:20:31,547 --> 00:20:33,264
an involuntary confession
426
00:20:33,332 --> 00:20:34,531
shocks the conscience
427
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,767
violating both the
spirit and the letter
428
00:20:36,835 --> 00:20:38,302
of the Fifth Amendment.
429
00:20:38,371 --> 00:20:40,582
Your Honor, I strongly
object to the word "torture."
430
00:20:40,606 --> 00:20:42,066
At no time was
the accused beaten
431
00:20:42,090 --> 00:20:45,420
or was there ever any
intentional infliction of pain.
432
00:20:45,444 --> 00:20:46,724
Furthermore, Your Honor,
433
00:20:46,762 --> 00:20:48,874
we are at war, and
the Fifth Amendment
434
00:20:48,898 --> 00:20:50,213
does not apply to our enemies.
435
00:20:50,282 --> 00:20:51,515
The very idea is ridiculous.
436
00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:52,950
Agreed. Defense...
437
00:20:53,018 --> 00:20:55,752
Your Honor, I'm going to
have to call for a vote on this.
438
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:08,232
The Government is correct.
439
00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:11,117
The Fifth Amendment
does not apply here.
440
00:21:11,186 --> 00:21:14,421
However, this commission
is going to exclude
441
00:21:14,490 --> 00:21:16,618
Mr. Atef's involuntary
confession as lacking
442
00:21:16,642 --> 00:21:18,487
probative value to
a reasonable person
443
00:21:18,511 --> 00:21:20,189
under the described
circumstances.
444
00:21:20,213 --> 00:21:21,378
Continue.
445
00:21:21,447 --> 00:21:23,714
Your Honor, the
Government rests,
446
00:21:23,783 --> 00:21:25,009
but we reserve the right, sir,
447
00:21:25,033 --> 00:21:26,511
to call new
witnesses in rebuttal.
448
00:21:26,535 --> 00:21:29,152
Noted. Will the defense
be presenting evidence?
449
00:21:29,221 --> 00:21:30,699
Yes, Your Honor. Very well.
450
00:21:30,723 --> 00:21:33,252
We'll recess and begin
hearing the defense case
451
00:21:33,276 --> 00:21:35,208
at 1330... sharp.
452
00:21:37,363 --> 00:21:38,407
That was big.
453
00:21:38,431 --> 00:21:39,574
Without the confession,
454
00:21:39,598 --> 00:21:41,643
the I.D. as Mohandese
might not stand up.
455
00:21:41,667 --> 00:21:43,834
Yeah, it just might be
enough for reasonable doubt.
456
00:21:43,902 --> 00:21:46,281
We could put the warlord
who made the I.D. on the stand.
457
00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:48,238
With his past history?
458
00:21:55,731 --> 00:21:57,831
Look at that guy.
459
00:21:57,900 --> 00:21:59,984
Wait a minute.
460
00:22:00,053 --> 00:22:03,487
There were dozens of prisoners
chanting his name on the tape.
461
00:22:03,556 --> 00:22:05,550
Maybe we can flip one
of them to corroborate.
462
00:22:05,574 --> 00:22:07,708
Maybe.
463
00:22:27,863 --> 00:22:29,174
Enter.
464
00:22:29,198 --> 00:22:31,232
Excuse us, Skipper...
465
00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:33,967
Sir, we wanted to
request permission
466
00:22:34,036 --> 00:22:35,352
to go ashore.
467
00:22:35,421 --> 00:22:37,921
We need a witness to
corroborate the I.D. on Mohandese.
468
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:40,491
We want to look in General
Abdullah's detention camp, sir.
469
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,992
Well, Mr. Webb here is looking
470
00:22:42,061 --> 00:22:43,822
for transportation
to the same place.
471
00:22:43,846 --> 00:22:45,779
Please, sit down.
472
00:22:49,218 --> 00:22:50,150
All right.
473
00:22:50,219 --> 00:22:52,452
This can't leave the room.
474
00:22:52,522 --> 00:22:55,255
We believe the
sniper in question
475
00:22:55,324 --> 00:22:58,125
is Mustafa Atef's
brother, Kabir.
476
00:22:58,193 --> 00:22:59,660
Why?
477
00:22:59,729 --> 00:23:02,173
He's Al Qaeda's top
intelligence operative.
478
00:23:02,197 --> 00:23:03,697
He probably got wind
479
00:23:03,766 --> 00:23:05,844
of our plan to
apprehend Mustafa.
480
00:23:05,868 --> 00:23:07,445
But got there too late.
481
00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:08,402
Exactly.
482
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:10,181
Like his brother, Mustafa,
483
00:23:10,205 --> 00:23:12,940
Kabir was trained
by us and the British.
484
00:23:13,009 --> 00:23:14,274
Ex-Saudi intelligence.
485
00:23:14,343 --> 00:23:15,870
He's an accomplished marksman.
486
00:23:15,894 --> 00:23:18,762
He's supported by a
cadre of loyal operatives
487
00:23:18,831 --> 00:23:20,759
and a web of
intelligence contacts
488
00:23:20,783 --> 00:23:21,976
that span the globe.
489
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,051
I wish we'd known
about this earlier, Webb.
490
00:23:25,521 --> 00:23:28,205
Kabir was seen last
week in Pakistan.
491
00:23:28,273 --> 00:23:30,707
NSA picked up an escalation
of encrypted communication
492
00:23:30,776 --> 00:23:33,510
between Afghanistan,
Pakistan and Iran.
493
00:23:33,578 --> 00:23:37,531
The sheer volume of it
suggests a prelude to an attack.
494
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,133
NSA hasn't decrypted it?
495
00:23:39,201 --> 00:23:40,467
They will.
496
00:23:40,536 --> 00:23:42,780
What really concerns me
is that Mustafa Atef knew
497
00:23:42,804 --> 00:23:44,382
staying in country
was a big risk,
498
00:23:44,406 --> 00:23:45,650
but he didn't leave.
499
00:23:45,674 --> 00:23:47,486
He was waiting for Kabir
to get back from Pakistan?
500
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:48,675
That information
501
00:23:48,744 --> 00:23:51,278
must have been
awfully important, ma'am.
502
00:23:51,363 --> 00:23:52,908
Which makes it
important to us, vital.
503
00:23:52,932 --> 00:23:55,310
Now, I just ordered a sweep
that netted a lot of Al Qaeda
504
00:23:55,334 --> 00:23:57,045
in the same vicinity
we got Mustafa.
505
00:23:57,069 --> 00:23:58,746
There's a good chance
Kabir was picked up
506
00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:00,933
and is sitting in General
Abdullah's camp right now.
507
00:24:00,957 --> 00:24:03,056
I'll spare you a helo.
508
00:24:03,125 --> 00:24:04,074
Let's go, Webb.
509
00:24:04,143 --> 00:24:05,954
Oh, hold on. You're First Chair.
510
00:24:05,978 --> 00:24:06,910
Good thinking.
511
00:24:06,979 --> 00:24:08,778
You take over till I get back.
512
00:24:08,847 --> 00:24:10,113
Sir?
513
00:24:10,182 --> 00:24:12,383
Colonel MacKenzie
is fluent in Farsi.
514
00:24:14,887 --> 00:24:16,487
That's true.
515
00:24:16,555 --> 00:24:18,489
All right, Colonel, you go.
516
00:24:18,557 --> 00:24:21,353
Outstanding. Let's
get it in gear, Webb.
517
00:24:21,377 --> 00:24:23,093
Captain.
518
00:24:28,267 --> 00:24:30,317
I have a Ph.D. in
international relations
519
00:24:30,385 --> 00:24:31,985
and a Master of Laws from Oxford
520
00:24:32,054 --> 00:24:33,854
where I've taught
international law
521
00:24:33,923 --> 00:24:36,123
and military justice
for the last 30 years.
522
00:24:36,192 --> 00:24:38,403
Professor Sinclair,
what constitutes
523
00:24:38,427 --> 00:24:41,239
a legal combatant under
the Geneva Convention?
524
00:24:41,263 --> 00:24:44,464
A member of the armed
forces or militia of the territory
525
00:24:44,533 --> 00:24:45,999
who wears distinctive insignia
526
00:24:46,085 --> 00:24:47,418
or carries arms openly
527
00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:49,453
conducts operations
in accordance
528
00:24:49,522 --> 00:24:51,522
with the laws and
customs of war.
529
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:53,573
Can a legal
combatant who follows
530
00:24:53,643 --> 00:24:57,193
the laws of war be subject
to a commission such as this?
531
00:24:57,263 --> 00:24:58,195
No.
532
00:24:58,264 --> 00:24:59,608
The Government hasn't proven
533
00:24:59,632 --> 00:25:01,632
that Mr. Atef is Mohandese
534
00:25:01,701 --> 00:25:04,012
but for the sake of argument
535
00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:06,070
let's discuss Mohandese.
536
00:25:06,138 --> 00:25:09,873
In your expert opinion
does Mohandese fit
537
00:25:09,942 --> 00:25:12,743
the requirements for
a legal combatant?
538
00:25:12,812 --> 00:25:15,178
Indeed, Al Qaeda
is a militia group
539
00:25:15,247 --> 00:25:16,480
of international membership
540
00:25:16,548 --> 00:25:18,181
akin to the French
Foreign Legion.
541
00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:20,750
Mohandese was known to
wear a braided officer's cap
542
00:25:20,819 --> 00:25:23,053
and to carry a
pistol at his hip.
543
00:25:23,122 --> 00:25:26,540
If Mohandese was connected
to the September 11 attacks
544
00:25:26,608 --> 00:25:29,743
would that action be
contrary to the laws of war?
545
00:25:29,811 --> 00:25:31,144
No.
546
00:25:31,213 --> 00:25:33,847
The World Trade Center
could be characterized as key
547
00:25:33,916 --> 00:25:37,217
to U.S. financial infrastructure
and thus key to its war effort.
548
00:25:37,286 --> 00:25:38,785
Obviously, there's no question
549
00:25:38,854 --> 00:25:40,888
that the Pentagon
was a military target.
550
00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:44,824
Thank you. Nothing further.
551
00:25:44,894 --> 00:25:49,530
Professor, is your contention
that the braided officer's cap
552
00:25:49,598 --> 00:25:53,500
Mohandese often wore was
distinctive military insignia?
553
00:25:53,569 --> 00:25:55,653
Yes, and he wore it every day.
554
00:25:55,721 --> 00:25:57,565
Professor, I would
bet that you wear
555
00:25:57,589 --> 00:25:59,367
a jacket and a tie
most every day.
556
00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:00,524
Would that be correct?
557
00:26:00,576 --> 00:26:01,825
Yes.
558
00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:03,877
But you wouldn't consider that
559
00:26:03,963 --> 00:26:05,106
a military uniform, would you?
560
00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:06,410
I am an academic, not a soldier.
561
00:26:06,465 --> 00:26:08,476
Well, Mohandese is
not a soldier, Professor...
562
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:09,599
He's a terrorist.
563
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:11,546
Objection! Withdrawn.
564
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:13,848
Professor, the fact
that Mohandese wore
565
00:26:13,872 --> 00:26:15,367
a particular item of
clothing every day
566
00:26:15,391 --> 00:26:16,831
does not, under the
Geneva Convention
567
00:26:16,859 --> 00:26:19,025
make it a military
uniform, does it?
568
00:26:20,146 --> 00:26:21,895
No.
569
00:26:21,981 --> 00:26:25,048
You also testified that the
custom of war allows for
570
00:26:25,117 --> 00:26:28,385
the hitting of infrastructure,
but doesn't that pertain
571
00:26:28,454 --> 00:26:31,472
to infrastructure directly
related to a war effort?
572
00:26:31,540 --> 00:26:33,273
Yes.
573
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,569
But there was no war at the time
574
00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:36,038
of the September 11
attacks, was there?
575
00:26:36,062 --> 00:26:37,444
There was for Al Qaeda.
576
00:26:37,512 --> 00:26:39,128
The jihad that has existed
577
00:26:39,198 --> 00:26:41,098
since the occupation
of Palestine.
578
00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:42,800
Still, the Geneva Convention
579
00:26:42,868 --> 00:26:45,919
expressly forbids the
taking of hostages, doesn't it?
580
00:26:45,988 --> 00:26:49,173
Yes, but I am not aware
that any hostages were taken.
581
00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:51,724
There were several hundred
men, women and children
582
00:26:51,794 --> 00:26:52,938
aboard the four aircraft
583
00:26:52,962 --> 00:26:55,256
that were hijacked by
the Al Qaeda terrorists.
584
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,258
Are you telling this commission
they weren't hostages?
585
00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:58,932
There was never any ransom
586
00:26:59,001 --> 00:27:01,668
or demand made to
indicate that the individuals
587
00:27:01,736 --> 00:27:04,771
aboard those aircraft were
intended to be hostages.
588
00:27:04,857 --> 00:27:06,023
Are you kidding me?
589
00:27:06,092 --> 00:27:07,674
Objection! Argumentative.
590
00:27:07,743 --> 00:27:11,145
I have no further
questions, Your Honor.
591
00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:29,762
Clayton Webb, here to
see General Abdullah.
592
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:42,837
Colonel MacKenzie.
593
00:27:42,861 --> 00:27:44,778
Gunny, what are you doing here
594
00:27:44,847 --> 00:27:47,281
and when did you
learn to speak Farsi?
595
00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:50,361
Nice of you to
call it Farsi, ma'am.
596
00:27:50,385 --> 00:27:51,435
That's right.
597
00:27:51,503 --> 00:27:52,647
You're with JAG in Washington.
598
00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:53,603
Yes, sir.
599
00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:54,604
Before there was a war on.
600
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:55,839
It's good to see you, Gunny.
601
00:27:55,908 --> 00:27:56,840
Good to see you, ma'am.
602
00:27:56,909 --> 00:27:58,052
Excuse my appearance.
603
00:27:58,076 --> 00:27:59,854
I just came in off patrol
for some sleep and chow
604
00:27:59,878 --> 00:28:00,922
then I'm back out tomorrow.
605
00:28:00,946 --> 00:28:02,312
You looked dressed
for Special Ops.
606
00:28:02,380 --> 00:28:03,547
Is that so, ma'am?
607
00:28:03,615 --> 00:28:04,992
So, how's everybody back at JAG?
608
00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:06,349
Well, the Admiral's doing great.
609
00:28:06,418 --> 00:28:08,985
Lieutenant Roberts snagged
carrier JAG aboard the Seahawk.
610
00:28:09,054 --> 00:28:10,219
And Harm is, you know, Harm.
611
00:28:10,288 --> 00:28:11,220
Yeah.
612
00:28:11,289 --> 00:28:12,221
How are you doing?
613
00:28:12,290 --> 00:28:13,323
Never been better.
614
00:28:13,391 --> 00:28:15,737
Excuse me, where can
we find General Abdullah?
615
00:28:15,761 --> 00:28:17,126
I'll take you there, sir.
616
00:28:17,195 --> 00:28:18,395
Thank you.
617
00:28:23,686 --> 00:28:24,985
You're a woman.
618
00:28:25,054 --> 00:28:27,421
Last time I checked, General.
619
00:28:28,757 --> 00:28:30,223
I'm Colonel MacKenzie.
620
00:28:31,593 --> 00:28:34,410
And you, friend Webb,
what can I do for you?
621
00:28:34,479 --> 00:28:36,224
I'm looking for Kabir Atef.
622
00:28:36,248 --> 00:28:38,460
Can you identify
him if he's here?
623
00:28:38,484 --> 00:28:39,499
I regret I cannot.
624
00:28:39,568 --> 00:28:40,834
Kabir has many faces.
625
00:28:40,903 --> 00:28:42,402
We have 40 new prisoners.
626
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:45,104
Even if he was among
them, I would not know.
627
00:28:45,173 --> 00:28:46,835
MacKENZIE: Can we interview
628
00:28:46,859 --> 00:28:48,458
the prisoners one at a time?
629
00:28:48,527 --> 00:28:50,811
I am afraid few speak English.
630
00:28:52,381 --> 00:28:54,714
The Red Cross is
checking on them now
631
00:28:54,783 --> 00:28:57,050
so I will show you
to your quarters.
632
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:59,119
In the morning, I will see to it
633
00:28:59,204 --> 00:29:01,071
all the prisoners are
made available to you.
634
00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:02,255
Come.
635
00:29:07,379 --> 00:29:08,512
Enter.
636
00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:10,647
Evening, sir.
637
00:29:10,715 --> 00:29:12,782
I just got word that
Colonel MacKenzie made
638
00:29:12,851 --> 00:29:14,300
her regular scheduled check-in.
639
00:29:14,369 --> 00:29:16,537
All is proceeding
on mission, sir.
640
00:29:16,605 --> 00:29:17,537
Thank you.
641
00:29:17,606 --> 00:29:19,189
Commander, I was wondering
642
00:29:19,258 --> 00:29:20,923
if maybe you'd want to take
643
00:29:20,992 --> 00:29:22,959
a break and have
a game of chess?
644
00:29:23,028 --> 00:29:23,960
Winner plays me.
645
00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:26,079
Oh, she's good,
sir, but beatable.
646
00:29:26,148 --> 00:29:27,497
No, thank you.
647
00:29:27,566 --> 00:29:29,065
That'll be all.
648
00:29:29,134 --> 00:29:30,534
Aye, aye, sir.
649
00:29:36,341 --> 00:29:37,274
He's mad at me.
650
00:29:37,343 --> 00:29:38,641
Sir, he's just busy.
651
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:41,711
No, I've seen him busy,
I've seen him stressed
652
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,713
I've seen him damn near dead.
653
00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:46,449
He's never talked
to me like this before.
654
00:29:46,518 --> 00:29:49,052
The Defense recalls
Captain Dale Alexander.
655
00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:59,529
Captain Alexander,
are you a terrorist?
656
00:29:59,598 --> 00:30:01,409
Objection.
Argumentative and calls
657
00:30:01,433 --> 00:30:02,433
for a conclusion.
658
00:30:02,485 --> 00:30:04,100
Your Honor, I'm
developing testimony
659
00:30:04,169 --> 00:30:05,101
from a hostile witness.
660
00:30:05,170 --> 00:30:06,648
If I might have
a little latitude.
661
00:30:06,672 --> 00:30:08,154
A little, Commander.
662
00:30:08,223 --> 00:30:10,540
Captain, are you a terrorist?
663
00:30:10,609 --> 00:30:11,758
No, sir.
664
00:30:11,826 --> 00:30:13,538
As an Army Special
Forces Officer
665
00:30:13,562 --> 00:30:14,978
what is your primary mission?
666
00:30:15,047 --> 00:30:18,198
To train indigenous forces
in unconventional warfare.
667
00:30:18,267 --> 00:30:21,634
Does that training include how
and where to place land mines?
668
00:30:21,703 --> 00:30:23,286
It can, sir.
669
00:30:23,355 --> 00:30:25,989
Do you teach the use and
construction of booby traps?
670
00:30:26,058 --> 00:30:27,157
Sometimes, sir.
671
00:30:27,226 --> 00:30:29,103
Are you aware that land
mines and booby traps
672
00:30:29,127 --> 00:30:31,644
can injure innocent
noncombatants?
673
00:30:31,713 --> 00:30:33,563
Any weapons system can.
674
00:30:33,632 --> 00:30:38,051
But many land mine and
booby traps can't be aimed
675
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,520
to avoid injuries
to noncombatants
676
00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:41,889
can they?
677
00:30:41,974 --> 00:30:43,256
That's true, sir.
678
00:30:43,325 --> 00:30:45,108
But our mines have
self-deactivating
679
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,926
self-destructing mechanisms.
680
00:30:46,995 --> 00:30:50,981
And booby traps are confined
to only threat-rich environments.
681
00:30:51,033 --> 00:30:54,401
Still, anytime you teach the
use of a land mine or a booby trap
682
00:30:54,469 --> 00:30:55,736
you may also be teaching
683
00:30:55,804 --> 00:30:57,804
the killing of
noncombatants, correct?
684
00:30:57,873 --> 00:30:59,605
Your Honor, argumentative
685
00:30:59,675 --> 00:31:01,858
and Captain Alexander
is not on trial here.
686
00:31:01,927 --> 00:31:03,771
Withdrawn. One final question.
687
00:31:03,795 --> 00:31:06,696
On certain operations,
Special Forces personnel
688
00:31:06,765 --> 00:31:07,965
remove all insignia.
689
00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:10,900
Your dog tags, anything
that could identify you.
690
00:31:10,969 --> 00:31:12,130
Is that correct?
691
00:31:12,154 --> 00:31:13,837
That's classified, sir.
692
00:31:13,905 --> 00:31:17,674
Let the record reflect
that was not a "no."
693
00:31:17,743 --> 00:31:19,142
Nothing further.
694
00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:21,645
Commander Rabb.
695
00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:23,146
I have one question, Captain.
696
00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:26,316
Have you ever trained troops
to use land mines or booby traps
697
00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:28,735
in an area where there
were only noncombatants?
698
00:31:28,804 --> 00:31:31,721
No, sir. Thank you, Captain.
699
00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:33,034
Nothing further.
700
00:31:33,058 --> 00:31:34,190
Defense rests, Your Honor.
701
00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:36,425
Thank you, Captain.
702
00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:38,412
You may step down.
703
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:41,648
Your Honor, the Government calls
704
00:31:41,716 --> 00:31:44,634
rebuttal witness
Mustafa Atef to the stand.
705
00:31:44,703 --> 00:31:47,103
The Defense opposes
that, Your Honor.
706
00:31:47,172 --> 00:31:48,416
The Commission has already ruled
707
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,000
the Fifth Amendment
does not apply here.
708
00:31:50,059 --> 00:31:51,491
The only evidentiary standard
709
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,640
is probative value to
a reasonable person.
710
00:31:53,712 --> 00:31:55,874
What could be more probative
711
00:31:55,898 --> 00:31:57,842
than the accused's
own testimony?
712
00:31:57,866 --> 00:32:00,200
Mr. Atef can not be
required to testify.
713
00:32:00,269 --> 00:32:01,645
Why? Is he hiding something?
714
00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:03,464
Doesn't he want
to tell his side?
715
00:32:03,488 --> 00:32:05,204
I have nothing to hide.
716
00:32:06,958 --> 00:32:09,876
I will testify.
717
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:16,661
Very well.
718
00:32:16,685 --> 00:32:19,085
The Defense will have a
short recess to prepare.
719
00:32:36,671 --> 00:32:39,522
The colonel wanted them
brought out one at a time.
720
00:32:39,591 --> 00:32:41,775
They're here now.
721
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,520
Ask him if Kabir
Atef is among them.
722
00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:56,422
No.
723
00:33:04,749 --> 00:33:06,732
I asked if anyone
knows Mohandese.
724
00:33:06,802 --> 00:33:08,134
He said they only know
725
00:33:08,203 --> 00:33:09,886
why they're here.
726
00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:14,390
To kill you!
727
00:33:22,568 --> 00:33:23,568
Hold your fire!
728
00:33:28,907 --> 00:33:30,473
We are leaving right now
729
00:33:30,541 --> 00:33:32,909
or I will cut her head
from her shoulders.
730
00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:40,550
MacKENZIE: This won't work.
731
00:33:40,619 --> 00:33:41,551
I will kill her!
732
00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:42,620
Let her go!
733
00:33:42,671 --> 00:33:43,671
Stay back!
734
00:33:43,705 --> 00:33:45,571
You shoot, she will die.
735
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,589
Just calm down.
736
00:33:46,658 --> 00:33:48,275
I will kill the American.
737
00:33:48,343 --> 00:33:49,276
Just calm down.
738
00:33:49,344 --> 00:33:51,327
Set my brothers
free, or watch her die.
739
00:33:51,396 --> 00:33:53,274
Don't set anybody free. Shut up!
740
00:33:53,298 --> 00:33:54,676
Drop your guns, all of you.
741
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:56,332
They're not dropping anything.
742
00:33:56,401 --> 00:33:58,568
I said shut up!
743
00:34:06,461 --> 00:34:08,962
Do it, General.
744
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:10,058
Drop your guns.
745
00:34:10,082 --> 00:34:11,013
No.
746
00:34:11,082 --> 00:34:13,065
Damn it, put them down.
747
00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:17,771
All of you put your
weapons down.
748
00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:28,848
Tell them to open the gate.
749
00:35:13,779 --> 00:35:16,157
I knew if he thought
he was getting his way
750
00:35:16,181 --> 00:35:18,181
he'd relax and give
you an opening.
751
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:27,773
State your name for the record.
752
00:35:27,842 --> 00:35:30,260
You know who I am.
753
00:35:30,329 --> 00:35:32,362
For the record, sir.
754
00:35:32,431 --> 00:35:36,199
Whose record?
755
00:35:36,268 --> 00:35:37,268
Permission to treat
756
00:35:37,336 --> 00:35:39,102
as a hostile
witness, Your Honor.
757
00:35:39,171 --> 00:35:40,636
Granted, Commander.
758
00:35:40,705 --> 00:35:43,539
"For the record"
means for the world.
759
00:35:43,608 --> 00:35:44,941
So for the record
760
00:35:45,010 --> 00:35:48,111
your name Mustafa
Atef, is that correct?
761
00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:49,262
Yes.
762
00:35:49,331 --> 00:35:51,609
And you're a member
of an organization
763
00:35:51,633 --> 00:35:52,843
known as Al Qaeda?
764
00:35:52,867 --> 00:35:54,451
For your record...
765
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,620
I am a soldier.
766
00:35:56,688 --> 00:36:00,289
I've been one all my life.
767
00:36:00,358 --> 00:36:02,892
From military school in England
768
00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:05,261
beginning at the age of six
769
00:36:05,330 --> 00:36:07,597
to serving in the Saudi army
770
00:36:07,666 --> 00:36:10,600
where I attained
the rank of captain.
771
00:36:10,669 --> 00:36:11,896
Then I became
a soldier of Allah.
772
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,354
So, you're a
soldier like any other
773
00:36:14,423 --> 00:36:15,755
except in Al Qaeda.
774
00:36:15,823 --> 00:36:17,457
Is that your testimony?
775
00:36:17,526 --> 00:36:18,569
It's the truth.
776
00:36:18,593 --> 00:36:20,960
And you trained
people in Al Qaeda
777
00:36:21,029 --> 00:36:22,662
like any other soldier?
778
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:24,864
Except better.
779
00:36:24,933 --> 00:36:27,867
Is it your contention, Mr. Atef
780
00:36:27,936 --> 00:36:30,203
that the attacks on
the United States
781
00:36:30,272 --> 00:36:33,139
on September 11 were
nothing more than typical
782
00:36:33,207 --> 00:36:35,024
military operations?
783
00:36:36,127 --> 00:36:39,228
Who do you think
you are talking to?
784
00:36:39,297 --> 00:36:42,998
American bombs have
slaughtered thousands of Muslims
785
00:36:43,067 --> 00:36:44,784
in Iraq and Afghanistan.
786
00:36:44,853 --> 00:36:46,152
Do you really think
787
00:36:46,221 --> 00:36:48,838
that when the
Pentagon uses words like
788
00:36:48,907 --> 00:36:52,692
"engage" or
"neutralize" or "target"
789
00:36:52,761 --> 00:36:54,827
that they are any
better than me?
790
00:36:54,896 --> 00:36:59,348
When a man's cause is just
791
00:36:59,417 --> 00:37:03,953
he is not afraid to
use the word "kill."
792
00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:05,738
When a man's cause is just
793
00:37:05,807 --> 00:37:06,973
is he afraid to admit
794
00:37:07,042 --> 00:37:08,903
that he's also known
as Mohandese?
795
00:37:08,927 --> 00:37:10,326
Objection. Leading.
796
00:37:10,395 --> 00:37:11,911
Overruled.
797
00:37:11,979 --> 00:37:15,215
I am not afraid.
798
00:37:15,283 --> 00:37:17,533
I am Mohandese.
799
00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:20,403
Is he also not afraid to admit
800
00:37:20,472 --> 00:37:22,706
that he trained the men
801
00:37:22,774 --> 00:37:25,258
who hijacked the four
airliners on September 11?
802
00:37:25,327 --> 00:37:31,497
I picked the men,
trained them, planned it.
803
00:37:31,566 --> 00:37:33,533
And I'd do it again.
804
00:37:36,688 --> 00:37:38,755
The attacks on September 11
805
00:37:38,823 --> 00:37:41,758
were Al Qaeda's most
important operation, weren't they?
806
00:37:41,826 --> 00:37:43,993
Don't you think so?
807
00:37:44,062 --> 00:37:46,796
If this operation
were so important
808
00:37:46,864 --> 00:37:48,364
why not go yourself
809
00:37:48,433 --> 00:37:50,411
instead of duping
impressionable young men
810
00:37:50,435 --> 00:37:51,512
to do the job for you?
811
00:37:51,536 --> 00:37:53,286
Objection. Argumentative.
812
00:37:53,355 --> 00:37:55,037
I'll tell you why you didn't go.
813
00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:58,441
Because for all your pride
and posturing, you're a coward.
814
00:37:58,509 --> 00:37:59,509
Commander!
815
00:37:59,544 --> 00:38:00,609
You're afraid to die.
816
00:38:00,678 --> 00:38:01,878
But I'll tell you something.
817
00:38:01,913 --> 00:38:03,458
That's exactly what
you're going to do.
818
00:38:03,482 --> 00:38:04,430
Commander!
819
00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:05,965
That is quite enough.
820
00:38:10,272 --> 00:38:12,472
MacKENZIE: Can't
get used to seeing you
821
00:38:12,541 --> 00:38:13,606
gone native, Gunny.
822
00:38:13,675 --> 00:38:15,219
Neither can I,
ma'am, but it works.
823
00:38:15,243 --> 00:38:17,421
I could almost pass if
I keep my mouth shut.
824
00:38:17,445 --> 00:38:19,179
Is that how you got
this assignment?
825
00:38:19,247 --> 00:38:20,180
Yes, ma'am.
826
00:38:20,248 --> 00:38:21,492
That and they wanted someone
827
00:38:21,516 --> 00:38:22,793
with investigative experience
828
00:38:22,817 --> 00:38:24,428
to hunt down bin
Laden and company.
829
00:38:24,452 --> 00:38:25,751
Has it been what you expected?
830
00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:26,830
Oh, yes and no, ma'am.
831
00:38:26,854 --> 00:38:27,998
The Marine Corps taught me
832
00:38:28,022 --> 00:38:29,300
everything I need to survive
833
00:38:29,324 --> 00:38:31,435
but when a guy goes down, ma'am
834
00:38:31,459 --> 00:38:33,459
what you see, what you feel...
835
00:38:41,619 --> 00:38:43,603
Here.
836
00:38:43,672 --> 00:38:46,773
He's Al Qaeda. He's nothing.
837
00:38:46,841 --> 00:38:49,174
He still gets humane treatment.
838
00:38:49,243 --> 00:38:50,944
Marine, help this man.
839
00:39:01,405 --> 00:39:03,722
Did I hear that right, ma'am?
840
00:39:03,791 --> 00:39:05,803
He won't talk about Mohandese
841
00:39:05,827 --> 00:39:08,227
but he was with
Kabir two days ago?
842
00:39:08,296 --> 00:39:09,695
That's what he said.
843
00:39:14,536 --> 00:39:16,369
Updated JAG instructions.
844
00:39:16,438 --> 00:39:17,570
Finally earning your pay.
845
00:39:17,638 --> 00:39:19,617
Can't say much for
your attitude, though.
846
00:39:19,641 --> 00:39:21,635
I can't say much for yours.
847
00:39:21,659 --> 00:39:23,309
Let me tell you something.
848
00:39:23,378 --> 00:39:25,928
Leadership is not
a popularity contest.
849
00:39:25,997 --> 00:39:29,648
It's not a power trip, either.
850
00:39:29,717 --> 00:39:32,084
The stripes we wear on
our sleeve give us authority
851
00:39:32,153 --> 00:39:34,482
but it's what we have inside
that makes us a leader.
852
00:39:34,506 --> 00:39:37,389
And you would
know that if you had it.
853
00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:38,391
Guess you told me.
854
00:39:38,460 --> 00:39:39,525
Congratulations.
855
00:39:39,594 --> 00:39:41,760
Now, you can go tell
all your little friends
856
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:43,980
that you zinged it
to the wicked witch.
857
00:39:55,777 --> 00:39:57,204
The senior member
858
00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:59,929
of this commission will
now publish our findings.
859
00:39:59,998 --> 00:40:01,625
We find the
accused, Mustafa Atef
860
00:40:01,649 --> 00:40:04,078
guilty of the intentional
targeting and mass murder
861
00:40:04,102 --> 00:40:06,235
of non-combatants.
862
00:40:06,304 --> 00:40:07,504
By unanimous vote
863
00:40:07,572 --> 00:40:09,772
this commission sentences
the accused to death.
864
00:40:11,125 --> 00:40:13,076
Mr. Atef
865
00:40:13,144 --> 00:40:15,511
you and your comrades will
go down in history as butchers
866
00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:16,846
who committed a grave atrocity
867
00:40:16,914 --> 00:40:18,898
that precipitated
your own downfall.
868
00:40:18,967 --> 00:40:21,584
As for now, you'll
be transported
869
00:40:21,653 --> 00:40:24,403
as soon as feasible,
to Fort Leavenworth.
870
00:40:24,472 --> 00:40:27,184
There, at a time of the
convening authority's choosing
871
00:40:27,208 --> 00:40:29,775
you will be executed
by lethal injection.
872
00:40:29,845 --> 00:40:30,944
We're done here.
873
00:40:31,012 --> 00:40:31,961
Wrong.
874
00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:33,613
This is far from over.
875
00:40:33,682 --> 00:40:36,999
Kabir will whisper
in eternal darkness
876
00:40:37,068 --> 00:40:38,512
and all the world
will hear him roar.
877
00:40:38,536 --> 00:40:40,553
Get him out of here.
878
00:40:41,622 --> 00:40:43,839
Congratulations, Commander.
879
00:40:43,908 --> 00:40:45,608
Thank you, sir.
880
00:40:45,677 --> 00:40:47,593
You put up a great defense.
881
00:40:47,662 --> 00:40:49,395
Excuse me.
882
00:40:52,333 --> 00:40:54,249
Harm, we need to talk.
883
00:40:54,318 --> 00:40:55,684
What about?
884
00:40:55,753 --> 00:40:58,388
We can't execute Mustafa Atef.
885
00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:00,601
Remember Mustafa's
brother, Kabir, was in Pakistan?
886
00:41:00,625 --> 00:41:02,591
While he was there,
enemy communication traffic
887
00:41:02,660 --> 00:41:03,959
between Pakistan,
Iran and Russia
888
00:41:04,028 --> 00:41:04,977
was off the charts.
889
00:41:05,046 --> 00:41:06,046
Russia?!
890
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,030
It's the wild card.
891
00:41:07,098 --> 00:41:09,015
We decrypted one
message enough to learn
892
00:41:09,084 --> 00:41:11,150
that it was a wire
transfer... $250 million
893
00:41:11,218 --> 00:41:14,520
from a Pakistani bank was
routed through a bank in the UAE
894
00:41:14,589 --> 00:41:15,788
and ended up in Iran.
895
00:41:15,857 --> 00:41:17,790
$250 million for what?
896
00:41:17,858 --> 00:41:19,108
That's what we need to know.
897
00:41:19,177 --> 00:41:20,810
There's an Al Qaeda
operation underway...
898
00:41:20,879 --> 00:41:22,978
A big one... with even
Russia figuring in somehow.
899
00:41:23,047 --> 00:41:24,947
All we know for sure
is Kabir is the point man
900
00:41:25,016 --> 00:41:27,933
and Mustafa Atef is behind it.
901
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,525
I thought you'd be up here, sir.
902
00:41:41,549 --> 00:41:43,830
I wanted to see you off.
903
00:41:45,786 --> 00:41:49,222
So, you thought
Mac should go, huh?
904
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:51,324
Yes, sir.
905
00:41:51,392 --> 00:41:53,593
All right, Bud.
906
00:41:55,996 --> 00:41:58,964
You may have been
right that time... maybe.
907
00:42:02,937 --> 00:42:04,803
You want to play
chess later tonight?
908
00:42:04,872 --> 00:42:06,639
Yes, sir.
909
00:42:06,708 --> 00:42:08,969
But I thought that you
were leaving with the admiral
910
00:42:08,993 --> 00:42:10,955
and Commander Turner,
back to JAG this morning.
911
00:42:10,979 --> 00:42:12,812
Mac and I are under
orders to remain aboard
912
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,814
to evaluate anything
Mustafa might tell Webb.
913
00:42:14,883 --> 00:42:17,467
I tell you, I wish
I was in there.
914
00:42:17,535 --> 00:42:20,419
I could think of a few
ways to make him talk.
915
00:42:22,157 --> 00:42:24,623
You know, Bud
916
00:42:24,692 --> 00:42:27,927
I've prosecuted too
many cases to remember
917
00:42:27,996 --> 00:42:32,198
but this is the one time...
if the accused had got off
918
00:42:32,266 --> 00:42:36,102
I'd have killed him myself.
919
00:42:36,171 --> 00:42:37,831
Lieutenant Roberts.
920
00:42:37,855 --> 00:42:39,135
This is Roberts.
921
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:41,101
Commander Rabb's
urgently needed in the brig, sir.
922
00:42:41,125 --> 00:42:42,325
Have you seen him?
923
00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:43,959
He's on his way.
924
00:42:47,465 --> 00:42:49,499
Mac, do you know
what's going on?
925
00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:51,366
No.
926
00:43:02,998 --> 00:43:06,265
Bag him, tag him
and put him on ice.
927
00:43:08,736 --> 00:43:10,803
What did you do, Webb?
928
00:43:10,872 --> 00:43:13,039
I didn't do anything.
929
00:43:13,108 --> 00:43:15,586
Must have taken it
from the courtroom.
930
00:43:15,610 --> 00:43:18,044
He slashed his
wrists with a pen?
931
00:43:18,113 --> 00:43:19,979
Original.
932
00:43:20,048 --> 00:43:22,382
Sometime during the night
933
00:43:22,450 --> 00:43:25,518
Atef turned his
back to the guard
934
00:43:25,586 --> 00:43:27,531
as though to go to sleep.
935
00:43:27,555 --> 00:43:30,001
He did the deed and bled out.
936
00:43:30,025 --> 00:43:31,969
The guard had no way of knowing.
937
00:43:31,993 --> 00:43:34,327
He never made a sound.
938
00:43:34,396 --> 00:43:37,363
All I needed was one day.
939
00:43:37,431 --> 00:43:39,999
One more day.
940
00:43:40,067 --> 00:43:43,469
Whatever he knew,
he took it with him.
941
00:43:43,538 --> 00:43:46,606
We have to hope we find
Mustafa's brother Kabir
942
00:43:46,674 --> 00:43:48,574
before it's too late.
943
00:43:50,495 --> 00:43:55,347
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00:43:55,416 --> 00:43:59,051
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