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Tonight, on The Proof Is Out There.

A special episode probing the truth about UFOs.

The United States government admits

it's baffled by videos like this.

The Pentagon themselves have listed this as unidentified.

But is it hiding a deeper secret?

I was informed in the course of my official duties

of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval

and reverse engineering program.

And there's been a disinformation campaign in place

for the last 50 years.

What are these unidentified objects

that keep turning up near the US military?

This one is truly anomalous.

Does this leaked footage reveal an alien craft

the government wants to keep secret?

A helicopter or plane is out of the question.

And a new take

on the most famous UFO footage of all.

The importance of this video cannot be overstated.

I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens.

Prepare yourself

for The Proof Is Out The UFO Files.

Good evening and welcome

to The Proof Is Out The UFO Files.

We're not talking about science fiction here.

UFOs have become the subject of congressional hearings,

government studies, and eye popping whistleblower claims.

The topic isn't fringe any longer.

We've decided to devote an entire hour

to the best videos and images

of unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP,

the government's preferred term for UFOs.

Some are recent, some go back more than 30 years,

and some are out of this world.

Or are they?

Because during these last few months, more than ever,

that's been the biggest question.

Where are these objects coming from?

Maybe we're on the cusp.

Maybe we're on the cusp of something brand new,

something exciting.

Both the Pentagon,

through its All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or AARO,

and NASA, through its UAP Independent Study Group,

say there have been 800 UAP sightings since 2022.

Of these, up to 5% cannot be explained away

as aircraft, debris, birds, or anything else we know of.

Officially, the officials don't know what they are.

Without sufficient data,

we are unable to reach defendable conclusions

that meet the high scientific standards

we set for resolution.

And I will not close a case

that I cannot defend the conclusions of.

Most UAP sightings

result in very limited data

that makes it even more difficult

to draw scientific conclusions

about the nature of UAP.

We're seeing advanced types of propulsion being displayed,

but no real answers as to what they are.

Neither agency has gone as far as saying

these objects are extraterrestrial,

but one man did go that far

and even if you don't know his name,

you probably heard what he said.

I was informed, in the course of my official duties,

of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval

and reverse engineering program.

David Grusch,

former military intelligence officer

turned Pentagon whistleblower,

came forward in June 2023,

claiming the government has been running

a secret UFO crash retrieval program

since at least World War II.

According to Grusch,

the US is in possession of downed alien craft,

alien corpses, and the US and other nations

may even have some kind of ongoing diplomatic relationship

with aliens.

Do you believe our government has made contact

with intelligent extraterrestrials?

Something I can't discuss in public setting.

I believe David's claims in the fact that

we are covering extraterrestrial craft

and extraterrestrial bodies

from the general scientific community

and the public at large

and there's been a disinformation campaign in place

for the last 50 years.

Much of what Grusch is claiming

has been said before.

What makes this version of the story special

is who is saying it and who he's saying it to.

It's very interesting to see someone

with such a credentialed background

as an intelligence officer make these claims

in such an official manner.

If he was lying, he could be held criminally liable.

That would suggest to me that he certainly is not lying

about what he's saying.

But while Grusch has been making claims boldly

and without equivocation,

he has not presented the public

with any physical evidence, documents, or images

that corroborate them.

Unfortunately, just testimony alone

is not enough to change the public's perception.

We need physical evidence.

I'm highly skeptical of the idea

that the US government has any type of crashed UFOs,

but I do find the information that's being shared

or relayed certainly merits investigation.

Some say Grusch may himself

be part of a disinformation campaign

to keep us talking about aliens

instead of the uncomfortable truth.

The theory that many, if not all of these UAPs

are really assets of rival militaries

conducting reconnaissance on our aircraft, warships,

and nuclear bases.

It's possible that this could be

secret military technology.

But until that theory is backed up by proof,

the best evidence we have

is still these infinitely intriguing videos.

Now, Pentagon whistleblower David Grusch

has claimed the US government

is sitting on much more UFO evidence

than the handful of videos

that they have officially released.

Even if that's the case,

what we've seen so far is pretty compelling.

Like this video, that's left

top government investigators stumped.

July 12th, 2022,

at an undisclosed location in the Middle East,

an American MQ9 drone observes a conversation

between two people on the street below.

As they walk away from a house,

a strange object comes into the sensor's field of view.

A shiny, metallic ball darts diagonally across the frame,

prompting the camera to jolt away from the people

and follow the sphere eastward instead.

The sphere looks to be at least a few feet across

and it shoots through the sky

in what appears to be a straight line.

The grainy video ends with the sphere in mid-flight

and center frame.

This sphere took on greater meaning

when AARO presented it to the public.

This is essentially all of the data

we have associated with this event.

It is going to be virtually impossible

to fully identify that.

That's right.

Unlike other UAPs it's looked into,

AARO still considers this video unresolved.

Kirkpatrick was tight-lipped

about the exact origins of this object,

but he did acknowledge the almost inhuman speeds

at which it travels and the strange design.

He also identified the Middle East region

as a hotspot for UAPs.

Considering the ongoing conflicts

in the region, we have to wonder

if these UFOs are related to others

that have turned up during wartime.

In 1951 during the Korean War,

a group of American GIs stationed near Chowan

encountered a mysterious glowing object

that floated to the center of artillery explosions

but took no damage.

One veteran later claimed the glowing craft pulsated

and changed colors.

In the following days,

the GIs fell sick with what some believe

was radiation poisoning.

Some theorized that this unidentified craft

and the hundreds reported by US troops since 2021

are attracted to military targets.

But why?

One explanation is that they're actually alien probes

measuring our defensive or offensive capabilities.

In an optimistic view, it's possible that

they are simply trying to observe our behavior

and figure out why we are so often in conflict.

Whatever the reason,

this sphere sighting over the Middle East

appears to uphold the pattern.

A Pentagon report released in 2022

found evidence that UFOs can inflict injuries

including radiation burns, paralysis, and brain damage.

So while Kirkpatrick's office said

this object wasn't an apparent threat,

we are inclined to take another look.

We start by asking aviation expert Tim McMillan,

could this be an advanced military drone?

This doesn't match any type of technology

that we're aware of.

I don't see any obvious signs of propulsion,

I don't see any wings.

So all the necessary components for a typical aircraft.

You'll notice we can see other features in the terrain

which is below this object really clearly.

So you would be able to definitely see

if there were wings,

there were rotors, any of those features on it.

So it's a spherical object in the sky

without apparent means of propulsion.

Could it just be a balloon?

It certainly could be a balloon of some sort.

Particularly in the Middle East there have been very crude,

airborne, improvised explosive devices,

so you attach some sort of explosive

to a balloon in hopes that it collides with the aircraft.

The key piece of missing evidence here

is we would want to know the wind direction

and wind speed here.

That info has been redacted.

Otherwise we could determine whether wind is with

or against this object

and if it's against, then this can be no balloon.

I think that's what makes this interesting for me

because the Pentagon has listed this as unidentified

but they have access to that information,

so they should have been able to better narrow down

it being a balloon.

Then could this really be

some kind of alien probe?

Though this video is definitely intriguing,

we also don't see any real extreme flight characteristics

that require the existence of aliens

or some type of advanced physics.

That means this UFO isn't displaying

the hallmarks the US military has cataloged

on other UFOs,

including instantaneous acceleration,

hypersonic velocities, cloaking, and transmedium travel,

the ability to fly into and out of the water.

Nor does it convince McMillan

that UFOs are particularly interested in human conflict.

There are more pilots

being perceptive of their surroundings in a war zone.

So I think it gives us that idea

that perhaps UFOs are interested in human conflict

when in fact, what it is

is we're paying more attention to the skies

during human conflict.

Our verdict, we're calling this a possible UFO.

On one hand it has no wings or obvious propulsion,

which is very UFO like.

There is a chance it's a balloon pushed by a stiff wind.

But you'd think AARO would know that by now.

If we get more information, we'll let you know.

Welcome back, everyone.

We are going to continue our UFO special

with input from one of the biggest names in ufology.

In recent years, freelance filmmaker Jeremy Corbell

has built a reputation

for releasing sensational UFO videos

allegedly leaked by members of the military.

The videos have made headlines worldwide

and tonight, we're gonna look at some of his latest

and hear from the man himself.

On the morning of April 16th, 2016,

an American MC12 reconnaissance plane

soars over Mosul, Iraq at the time under ISIS control.

Its primary objective

is to observe what's happening on the ground,

but today it captures something highly unusual in the air.

This frame pulled from the footage

reveals a metallic looking ball flying over a city street.

The object reportedly moves alongside the spy plane

without dropping in altitude,

traveling in a lateral direction from south to north.

It would take seven years, but on January 24th, 2023,

Jeremy and his co-host George Knapp

obtained and released this shocking image

to the American public for the first time

on their podcast, "Weaponized".

The Mosul orb is the first time

we have a verified, bonafide image

filmed by our military over a conflict zone

that shows a UAP.

It raised a lot of interest within our intelligence agencies

and Department of Defense

because they could see that it was

under intelligent control.

A few months later on March 6th, 2023,

Jeremy reveals six more intriguing images

also shot in Iraq

on a thermal camera set to display heat as white

and cooler objects in black.

We labeled it the Baghdad Phantom.

We have seen it described as cylindrical

and under intelligent control and controlled flight

with a stable lateral direction.

And it's designated UAP by our Department of Defense.

Again, is it possible that

some airborne power has an interest in our military?

And if that's the case, is it alien or human?

Some people online are claiming that this is

proof of non-human intelligences

operating within Iraqi airspace.

One other theory is that

these objects are potentially some foreign adversary,

such as China or Russia,

that is operating some sort of vehicle

or weapon system inside Iraq.

Jeremy says intelligently controlled UAPs

are picked up by radar, seen by pilots,

and engaged by our military on a daily basis.

He argues that there's no reason

this information should be kept from the American public

and he believes the potential for misidentification

in these incidents could have devastating consequences.

So, let's turn to the experts to assess the threat level.

First off, aviation expert Tim McMillan

examines the image of the sphere

taken by a spy plane over Mosul.

You can actually see

this object has three dimensional shape,

so this appears to be airborne.

I don't see any obvious signs of propulsion.

We don't see rotors, we don't see wings,

and so it really limits us to a balloon

is the only thing, given that size and shape,

that it could possibly be.

Astronomer and video effects designer Marc D'Antonio

thinks he knows exactly what kind of balloon it is.

One of the earthly possibilities for this

is that we're looking at a weather balloon

that's got a payload that we can't see.

But according to records,

aerial winds at the time

would've been pushing against this object.

Plus, McMillan sees evidence presented in the video

that bursts D'Antonio's weather balloon theory

once and for all.

Because of the information that's displayed,

we know at what altitude

the actual drone that's filming this is at, 26,000 feet

and that would be substantially lower

than most weather balloons are gonna be flying.

Weather balloons typically reach altitudes

between 60,000 and 105,000 feet.

And what about the Baghdad Phantom?

Could this cylindrical UFO be a plane or even a drone?

I don't see any parts that automatically suggest

that it is a drone,

so I don't see any wings or control surfaces.

So it's certainly not a drone or aircraft.

McMillan thinks

he may be zeroing in on the target,

but just when he thinks he's getting hotter, things go cold.

My first impression is that

we're looking at, likely, a surface to surface missile.

This particular video was filmed in Iraq

and so there's a lot of rocket attacks.

However, the fact that the object is black,

meaning it's cooler than the ambient air around it,

is inconsistent with anything that I've ever seen

when filming missiles with an IR system like this.

But D'Antonio thinks

he may have an answer to how a missile could display

such a surprisingly cold heat signature.

If this is really black as cold,

the temperature difference doesn't have to be a whole lot

and if this is flying over Iraq,

it's possible that the ground is 130 degrees

and this object here, it's possible it could be 90 degrees

and look as different as that.

So what about the notion

that we're dealing with genuine UFOs

in both the case of the Mosul Orb

and the Baghdad Phantom?

D'Antonio doesn't see it.

The fact that we know of other objects that are human made

that look like this, it's a stretch to say

that they're unidentified flying objects.

They're probably human made objects,

possibly a weather balloon

and very likely a missile in this case.

McMillan respectfully disagrees.

The objects in both images are unknown.

I cannot give you a concrete explanation for what they are,

but potentially with more information,

we could arrive at a more firm conclusion.

Our verdict? Split decision.

We're calling the Mosul Orb a genuine UFO.

It's flying too low to be a weather balloon.

We're going with D'Antonio on the Baghdad Phantom.

It's most likely a missile.

Still, we can't say for sure,

since Jeremy claims the government refuses

to release the complete video

that these images were taken from.

We continue this hour of UFO investigation

with another video released by the Pentagon

that instantly made headlines.

So far, we've been focusing on UAPs

captured by our military in the Middle East, but of course,

the US has airborne assets all over the globe

and believers say this next remarkable piece of footage

is proof that aliens do too.

January 15th, 2023,

an undisclosed location in South Asia.

A remotely piloted Air Force MQ9 drone

closely monitors another MQ9 in the skies

via infrared cameras.

It seems like a routine reconnaissance mission until...

Four seconds into the clip,

an oblong object flies past the other MQ9

in an apparent near miss.

And take a closer look at this.

The UFO seems to leave an atmospheric wake

as its zips across the sensors field of view

right through here.

Now that could be fuel exhaust

or perhaps even a disturbance in the air pressure.

One thing's for sure,

it doesn't look anything like this drone.

Writer Amy Teitel says

that despite the video's public release,

much still remains unknown.

This video came out

as part of a congressional hearing in April of 2023.

So we know that it is a real video.

We don't know any other details though.

What we do know is like the Middle East UFO video,

this footage also earned a place

in Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's presentation

to the Senate's Armed Services Committee.

This one everyone thought was truly anomalous,

but this is the kind of data that we have to work with

and the type of analysis that we have to do,

which can be quite extensive

when you have to pull these apart frame by frame.

Dr. Kirkpatrick told Congress

that out of the 650 UAP reports under AARO review,

this one caught their attention because of its odd shape.

It doesn't have obvious wings,

it doesn't have a tail,

it doesn't have an obvious propulsion source.

In other words, it has the makings of a UFO.

According to AARO,

most of the UAP incidents reported to them

occurred between 15 to 25,000 feet in altitude,

which is controlled military airspace.

AARO subscribes to the theory

that unresolved sightings are more likely

the work of US adversaries,

not extraterrestrial intelligence.

Will our experts reach the same conclusion

with this footage?

Could this be an object sent by a foreign power?

The lack of information has Tim McMillan unsure.

Some key pieces of information that would be contained normally

on the heads up display of the drone,

critically, the date, the time,

and location would help us narrow down

exactly where this is.

But that very lack of information

might tell us something

about the nature of this mission.

Could this be related to a classified mission?

In this case, probably not.

And the reason I say that is that this long endurance drone

typically will fly just by itself.

It doesn't need a support drone.

To McMillan,

the fact that there are two drones operating here,

one in the footage, the other doing the recording,

means this is probably just a training mission.

So we turned to Rich Hoffman

of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies to ask

could this simply be a passing plane?

I looked at it frame by frame

and you see what looks like an aircraft tail and wings

and the fact that it's flying consistently

in the same direction, that it went by rather quick,

it has the appearance of an airplane.

But McMillan isn't so sure.

You wanna look for signs of a propulsion system,

so exhaust from a jet engine, that type of thing.

We don't necessarily see that with this,

although we, we can see this interesting trail.

However, that is actually an artifact

of the multi aperture camera system.

So you're talking about camera systems

that have hundreds of lenses

with hundreds of independent sensor systems

that form one fluid picture here,

but that can create ghosting

that appears like a trail behind it

when in actuality, what we're seeing

is the overlaying of all of the different images

from those hundreds of different camera lenses.

Then could this be another drone?

If it's similar to an aircraft design,

much like the MQ9 Reaper, it could be that as well.

Certainly, it could be.

It could be a lot of things.

There's just not enough information there.

Well, then we have to ask,

could it be a UFO?

You're trying to deduce what you can

from just a short little clip,

but it flew in a straight line, consistent speed.

The last hypothesis I would've ever gone with

would've been extraterrestrial craft.

The first and the most predominant hypothesis

are that it's an aircraft that you can't make out.

McMillan says that the Pentagon,

with that redacted information at its disposal,

came to a conclusion consistent with Hoffman's.

The Pentagon was provided with

the date and time and location and all of that,

and they were able to determine,

without a doubt that what we're seeing here

is actually the rear end of a commercial plane

that is actually flying away from the two drones.

And so, the movement that we see is actually the movement

that's being caused by the drone itself in flight.

We have to agree with the experts at AARO for this one.

Our verdict is a plane.

While many UFO believers express

disappointment that AARO seemed to downplay

truly anomalous phenomena during the hearing,

other groups applauded this

public release of factual UAP data.

Welcome back to The Proof: UFO Files.

So far, we've been looking at UFO footage

captured by US forces in foreign countries,

but of course, there are plenty of homegrown sightings too.

One UFO researcher has a series of clips

that indicate a pattern of UFOs near the US Mexico border.

We've investigated one before and now there's yet another.

Take a look.

February 3rd, 2020, south of Tucson, Arizona

at approximately 2100 hours,

a border patrol fleer camera scans a residential area.

Houses and cacti populate the frame.

When suddenly a strange white object appears.

It glides across the screen

with an almost humanoid silhouette

passing over a long stretch of desert and even some cattle.

It maintains both a consistent elevation

and that bright white color.

The video is one of several shot by US authorities

and leaked to UFO Investigator Andy Marshal.

The footage was leaked to me by

Department of Homeland Security agent.

He wished to remain anonymous.

He knew what was captured in these videos were anomalous

and that he had to get the videos out somehow

to show the world that these things are real.

Andy dubs the video La Bruja, Spanish for "the witch",

because it looks like a witch sitting upright on a broomstick.

Longtime FLIR technician David Falch

says that to understand the thermal footage,

you first need to know that in this case,

the camera is set to display white as cold and black as hot.

What you're seeing is a white object

and a black hot scene.

So, this being white means it's ice cold.

You don't see anything like that in the sky.

You see birds, you see aircraft,

everything is putting on a warm thermal signature.

There's nothing out there in the sky

that's got a cold thermal signature.

Nothing that we know of,

but Andy can think of a similar unknown object

spotted around Tucson,

which came to be known as the rubber duck.

The rubber duck incident took place November 23rd, 2019

and it was shot from a reconnaissance plane

and as they were overlooking the landscape,

an object came into view

and they recorded it for up to 40 minutes.

That object that was captured in that footage

is almost identical to the one captured in La Bruja,

the shape, the fact that it was emitting zero heat.

In 2021,

Andy helped leak the rubber duck footage,

so called because it looks like a rubber duck.

Here on Proof, we declared it a genuine UFO

and a recent paper

from the Scientific Coalition of UAP studies,

or SCU, concurred.

Falch, who contributed to the paper,

can attest to the in-depth analysis

which led to that conclusion.

The paper investigated

the characteristics of the rubber duck,

what the approximate temperature was,

the speed of the aircraft, the trajectory, the fight path.

The paper found the rubber duck anomalous

in three respects.

It's white cold temperature,

it's odd shape, and its speed,

especially that it flew

against the wind,

meaning it could not

have been a balloon.

All these things combined

to come up to this big conclusion of,

they didn't know what it was either.

So, is La Bruja

related to the famed rubber duck?

They're both ice cold, not having any signs of propulsion,

not changing thermal signature,

looking like they're on a linear travel.

It doesn't make any sense.

Now because we're talking about the US Mexico border,

we have to consider whether both these objects

were aerial devices used to smuggle drugs.

After all, border patrol agents recently saw 21 cases

of drone infiltration along the San Diego Mexico border

in a 13 month period.

But that's just one possible explanation.

Let's see what our experts say.

We first ask SCU President Rich Hoffman

if there is any way this could be a bird.

Even in infrared,

you can make out a lot of details

that are pretty remarkable.

You'd be able to tell that it was a bird or not a bird.

There's no flapping and birds aren't cold like this.

In thermal, a bird will appear dark.

And as we did with the rubber duck footage,

we have to consider if this could just be a balloon.

In this case, the wind actually supports the theory.

Falch estimates that the FLIR camera is pointed southwest,

meaning La Bruja is headed southeast

and the weather data in Tucson at the time of the sighting

shows a light breeze from the west northwest.

But Hoffman says it doesn't look quite right.

Some party balloons, for example,

like latex, will be see-through.

A mylar balloon will reflect the heat from the ground

and so, it wouldn't be completely white like this.

So could this be

some type of conventional aircraft?

Falch doesn't think so.

A helicopter or plane is out of the question

because this FLIR is just looking around,

kind of almost at a ground level.

So if it was an aircraft,

it would have to be extremely small in size

and it's not emitting any type of heat,

so it's obviously easy to rule out

that it's no type of aircraft.

If it has to be low flying, then could it be a drone?

You would see stop go movements

that would kind of sway the object,

you don't see that in La Bruja.

And how the signature looks compared to a drone,

you would see a difference from the heat

in the thermal signature generated from the engines.

So is this really a UFO?

Bottom line is, you've got an unusual shape here

and I haven't been able to put this to anything rational.

It just doesn't match up.

So it's unknown to me.

I can't begin to classify it at all.

Our verdict, like the SCU's conclusion

with the rubber duck,

we also think La Bruja is a genuine UFO.

If you're interested in reading the SCU's full analysis

of the rubber duck incident,

feel free to visit the organization's website,

at explorescu.org.

No words yet on whether La Bruja

will be given the same treatment.

What's the best UFO photograph ever taken?

That's depends on whom you ask.

But we're about to show you one of the leading candidates

and this one was kept hidden for more than 30 years.

August 4th, 1990,

two hotel employees are on a walk

in the Scottish Highlands near Calvine.

Mid hike, they allegedly noticed something in the sky.

Overhead, the men see a massive, diamond shaped UFO

accompanied by a military plane.

One of them snaps a photo.

The object is clear, it has four sides

and a horizontal division

between an illuminated top and a shadowed bottom,

like a three-dimensional object illuminated by the sun.

After about 10 minutes,

the diamond allegedly shoots straight up into the sky.

Writer Amy Teitel says

little is known about this diamond shaped UFO.

The Clavine photo is a very classic UFO image.

It doesn't give us a lot of details,

we can't tell from the image how fast it's going,

what it's doing.

And it's not just unidentified,

it's state certified unidentified.

Nick Pope, a former UFO investigator

for Britain's Ministry of Defense.

says the MOD thought the photo genuine.

However, despite widespread speculation

that the object's origins are extraterrestrial,

Teitel notes that the Calvine UFO

might not be interstellar at all.

It's possible that the Calvine photograph

is actually secret military equipment.

In fact, rumors at the time of this sighting

support that theory.

There have been rumors of the US Air Force

testing of reconnaissance aircraft called Aurora

in Scotland.

The rumor top secret aircraft

was purportedly 110 feet long, 60 feet wide

and capable of speeds up to Mach 8.

There were sightings of this aircraft

said to be a black triangular vehicle

in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

So, was the Calvin incident one of those sightings?

If you believe Nick Pope, even the UK's

Ministry of Defense considered the possibility

that the Calvine UFO

might have been the rumored Aurora aircraft.

However, the MOD itself remains mum

of what it thinks the photo depicts.

So what is it?

Time to ask our experts.

First, is this photo even real?

Forensic video analyst Michael Primeau says it's hard to say

because the negatives have been lost.

It's only because of journalist David Clark

that this print recently came to light.

Dr. Clark actually tracked it down

by finding a former RAF press officer named Craig Lindsay,

who had an original copy of it still preserved.

Unfortunately, a copy

doesn't make a strong case for authentication.

We don't have the original evidence.

We have a version that was printed

and then surfaced several years after.

But the photo definitely looks real.

No abnormalities in the physical aspects of the scene.

So we ask our skeptical science writer, Mick West,

could this be the rumored Aurora aircraft?

No actual Aurora craft has ever emerged.

And even the artist renderings of the Aurora craft,

they don't really look like this.

This doesn't look like an aerodynamic craft.

There's no real visible exhaust.

There's no control surfaces.

It just looks like a weird diamond shaped thing.

If it doesn't look aerodynamic,

is there a chance it's not even in the air?

Astrophotographer Andrew McCarthy thinks so.

The key piece of evidence is the fence.

Fence posts, if installed vertically,

actually give us a vanishing point.

Now, if they were looking up as they claim to have been

when they took that photo, the fence posts

would've converged in an upwards direction,

not a downwards direction.

And if it was pointed down,

then we are not looking up into the sky at all.

So what are we looking at?

I think we're looking at an object

that's reflecting in a body of water.

Imagine you're looking out at a lake,

a large triangular boulder juts out of the water

and casts a perfect reflection beneath it.

Looks a lot like the Calvine photo, right?

But West isn't so sure.

So I think it's somewhat implausible

that you would get a such a mirror-like, still pool

up in the Scottish highlands.

I tried recreating this in my pool in the backyard,

which is very sheltered and it's a very small body of water,

and I had to do it early in the morning

before there was any wind.

So it's very difficult to do.

Instead, West suggests

we recalibrate our sense of scale.

We don't actually know how far away it is.

What if it was only say two feet away?

Then it could be very small indeed.

And that kind of brings us to the other way

we can fake images just using a model.

I did a few tests outside,

just simply dangling the object from the tree.

And so I think it's very easy

to have simulated this photo,

using just a simple model hanging from this tree.

Our verdict?

We're tempted to call this one a hoax,

considering both West and McCarthy proved

that it could be faked.

But the British Ministry of Defense

has reportedly investigated the image

and has not declared it a phony.

So for now,

we have to say this remains an unidentified object,

but we're not gonna call it a UFO

because we're not even positive it's actually flying.

Finally tonight, we want to talk about what's become

one of the most famous UFO encounters ever.

The 2004 Nimitz Tic Tac UFO.

The US government still considers this

an official, unresolved UAP.

But recently, our in-house skeptic Mick West

says he came up with an explanation for it.

So how will the debunker's theory hold up?

Many of you already know this by heart.

It's November 14th, 2004, off the coast of San Diego.

The aircraft carrier USS Nimitz

is leading its strike group on practice maneuvers

when something strange occurs.

While radar is indicating an unknown object in the air,

Lieutenant Chad Underwood seeks out the anomalous object

and manages to take a video.

What he captures on camera changes ufology forever.

The infrared camera picks up a white,

almost star-shaped blob

hovering at an altitude of about 15,000 to 24,000 feet.

It has a bright white center, meaning the object is hot

and several gray spikes coming out of it

representing the dispersion of heat.

The camera then switches off its infrared setting

and we see the object as a solid black disc in the distance.

The craft appears to rotate,

now resembling more of a tic-tac shape.

Finally, the object subtly shoots off the screen

at stunning speed to the amazement of the pilots.

They claim that it was performing in ways

that were definitely anomalous.

For something that had no propellers, no rotors,

it had no exhaust plumes, it had no surfaces

that could generate lift,

and to them, it seemed intelligently controlled.

The importance of this video in the UFO circles

cannot be overstated.

It is continuously brought up

at government hearings concerning UFOs.

It's brought up in front of the Senate,

it's brought up in front of Congress.

It's been brought up literally to the president himself.

As we said earlier, AARO has reported that to date,

it's found no proof of alien technology.

So does that mean the Nimitz Tic Tac can be explained?

Science writer Mick West thinks so,

but he's not the only one with an opinion.

First, Mick tackles the tic-tac seemingly extreme speed.

There's two points in this video

where the object appears to demonstrate

amazing acceleration,

and the first one comes where it appears to shoot off screen

very, very rapidly.

But that coincides, as to most of the movements,

with a camera change.

Watch as the sensor's zoom level

abruptly doubles during one of the object's quickest movements.

So even though it looks like it's moving very, very fast,

all it is is the camera moving

from one magnification to another.

However, physicist Matthew Szydagis

thinks otherwise.

With the testimony of Lieutenant Chad Underwood,

who actually took the video,

we are actually seeing an object

that produced such a high acceleration

that it broke the targeting lock

of our multi-million dollar system

that should not be able to lose lock so easily.

In fact, a peer reviewed publication

authored by a colleague of Szydagis's

suggests that the accelerations we're seeing here

are far beyond the capabilities of any known human aircraft.

Professor Kevin Knuth at the University of Albany

reviewed the video and found that the most probable solution

to the motion we see involves accelerations

of at least 70 G, which would rip the engines off a plane.

Still, Mick West wonders if this whole thing

might just be a case of misidentification.

I first thought that it might be

a nearby commercial airplane

because these training ranges are actually adjacent

to commercial traffic routes.

But a bigger jet would have two hotspots where the wings are

so I think it's probably more likely

to be something smaller.

Something smaller actually fits the angles and the sizes

and the position of the engines in the infrared.

It fits with something much more like an F18 plane.

West says it's the infrared that gives it away.

You can see a little hotspot

on the right side of the plane

would correspond to the engines of a small jet.

But again, Szydagis disagrees.

There is no FAA or ADS-B record

of an airplane at this day and time

because this was a military exercise area

in the first place.

We have evidence from multiple sources

corroborating from the US government,

saying that the military exercise was canceled.

That means there weren't other F18s in the air

during the tic-tac encounter.

So we can conclusively rule out

without even arguing about acceleration or speed,

that this is not an F18.

So, where do we land?

Szydagis is convinced.

I think we're looking at a genuine UFO.

I think it's very telling

that the speeds and accelerations measured are

abnormally high

in a way that would point towards

some sort of advanced craft

not constructed by human beings.

Mick West remains unconvinced.

This is all consistent

with something like a distant plane.

I don't think it's a genuine UFO

in that it doesn't actually demonstrate

any real anomalous properties,

which is something you want from a UFO.

Our verdict?

The Nimitz Tic Tac remains a genuine UFO.

Mick West brings up some interesting points,

but the preponderance of evidence,

notably the testimony of multiple Navy pilots,

still points to something inexplicable.

And as we've seen tonight with other footage,

this UFO is not alone.

That's our show for this evening.

The great UFO question continues to build momentum.

So if you see something in the sky,

keep those cameras rolling.