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(PROJECTOR CLICKS, WHIRS)
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(DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING)
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Previously on The Hack...
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Hacking phones
of the News of the World
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has been endemic.
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Endemic?
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They've hacked thousands.
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There is an industry
making huge profit
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from invading peoples' private lives
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and Rupert Murdoch's
bullying tabloids
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have explicitly encouraged it
and are buying it.
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Charlotte Harris?
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Nick Davies of The Guardian.
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I can't talk to you
about specific cases,
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but I can tell you
there is so much more to come.
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ALAN: Show me what you have.
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A printout of an email
proving a payment
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of £7,000 to Mulcaire
for a story on Gordon Taylor.
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And the police have access
to all of this and more.
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In my opinion, what I have seen,
is a most careful investigation
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by very experienced detectives.
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And since no additional evidence
has come to light,
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I can see no reason
to reopen the inquiry.
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Keir Starmer's
conducting a review.
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And now, the CMS Select Committee
want to see us urgently.
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- Are you reading the statement?
- No.
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But I do have things to say.
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- (DIALLING)
- (THUNDER RUMBLING)
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AUTOMATED VOICE:
Welcome to your voicemail.
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You have three new messages.
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To listen to your messages,
press one.
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(BEEPS)
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MICHAEL: Papa here.
Just wondering when you're over?
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Oh, uh, the kitchen tap
seems to be fixed now,
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- which is good. So, uh...
- (BEEPS)
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AUTOMATED VOICE:
Message deleted. Next message.
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Nick, it's Sheridan.
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Um, just to say I got a call
from the bank today.
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They said it's in relation
to the re-mortgage,
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but... (SIGHS)
I felt like someone was fishing.
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- (BEEPS)
- AUTOMATED VOICE: Message deleted.
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Next message.
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MAN: Nick, we're putting together
a legal response for Alan.
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But, we need to speak to you
about the Select Committee.
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- (FEEDBACK)
- (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING)
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(THUNDER RUMBLING)
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Oh, God.
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Don't you dare.
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Has Alan rung again?
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Possibly.
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Possibly?
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NICK: Could be the school telling me
my son has broken his leg,
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or Rebekah Brooks
declaring surrender.
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Or it could be Alan asking where I am
and whether David Leigh is with me.
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I didn't answer.
I didn't want to lie to him.
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Perhaps he'll leave a voicemail.
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Why are we here?
Good question.
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MAN: Thank you
for joining us, gentlemen.
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Now, we have a lot of questions,
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so try and keep
opening statements short.
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I'd like to keep this whole
experience quite short, if I may.
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- (CHUCKLING)
- Um, but I do have...
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Well, it's quite a lot for me to say.
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I'd like to start by showing you,
first of all, copies of an email.
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With respect, Mr Davies, uh,
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we have quite a few
questions for you.
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I understand that but I think your
questions will be given context...
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- Let's open with a question from...
- Mr Whittingdale.
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(SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING)
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Do you want the evidence or not?
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I would like to read it.
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Yup. Okay.
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- There you go.
- Okay.
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This is an email
sent for Neville Thurlbeck,
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Chief Reporter for News of the World.
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A document the police
have had for some time.
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A document that contains
transcripts of hacked voicemails.
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I hope you'll agree
this backs up our claims.
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But what's more unsettling
is that Scotland Yard
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have never arrested
or interviewed Neville Thurlbeck.
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My chief concern is...
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Mr Davies, this is all very dramatic,
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but if we can get back
to the matter in hand.
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Mr Whittingdale, I'm very worried
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that News International journalists
have been breaking the law.
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And equally worried
that Scotland Yard
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do not appear
to have investigated them.
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(PEOPLE WHISPERING)
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(SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONTINUES)
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ALAN: "Mr Davies,
this is all very dramatic."
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It's amazing what you can do with
kids' glue and some black paper.
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You... You got your kids
to redact a...
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They enjoyed it. They like craft.
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Good revolutionaries.
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- (BOTH CHUCKLE)
- Yeah.
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What was that letter
Che Guevara wrote to his kids?
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(MOBILE VIBRATING)
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ALAN: Alan.
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Hi.
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No, it's fine.
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I think we got away with it.
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(SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING)
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What are they saying?
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Yes.
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(INHALES SHARPLY)
Can you just... Yes.
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Right. Thanks for letting me know.
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David Leppard, The Sunday Times.
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- Why is Leppard phoning you?
- It wasn't him.
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Leppard's spreading a story
that I hired John Ford
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to hack voicemail.
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It's apparently all over parliament.
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John Ford, the blagger?
You wouldn't use John Ford...
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Er, they're saying it's in relation
to our investigation of Monsanto.
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I did use an intelligence firm.
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Limosis.
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It's possible they subcontracted
to John Ford.
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Well, The Guardian
isn't in trouble any more.
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I am.
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(SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING)
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(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
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John Ford.
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John Ford had had his hand
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in and out of Alastair Campbell's
trash for years.
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But his real talent was for blagging.
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An ex-actor with style.
He did all sorts to get all sorts.
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Gordon Brown's bank records for one.
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And Alan may have hired him, which...
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- Well...
- (SNORING)
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The newspaper industry
loves a bit of hypocrisy to expose.
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(SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC
INTENSIFIES, STOPS)
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(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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Morning.
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Not the face you were hoping
to wake up to?
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(GRUNTS)
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(CLICKS TONGUE) You know,
I think the time has come to admit
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that John Ford isn't home.
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David Leigh, investigations editor
at The Guardian.
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Also, Alan's brother-in-law.
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The Sunday Times
have got him well hid.
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(GROANS, SNIFFS)
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I think we can give him another day.
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Perhaps we can get hold
of Alan's paper trail?
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Get inside the intelligence firm.
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Start again.
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It'll take too long,
they'll publish before...
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Then Alan will take a hit
and we hope he survives it.
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But sitting here, Nick...
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It's getting us nowhere.
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This is not all my fault.
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Murdoch's an eel.
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He's entirely relentless.
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I'm not picking a fight with Murdoch.
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No.
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You're picking a fight
with our entire industry.
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- (MOBILE VIBRATING)
- Don't answer it.
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No, do. Do.
Don't let them leave a voicemail.
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- It's an email.
- Oh.
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Hmm. A statement from
the Crown Prosecution Service.
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The CPS says, "It's not appropriate
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"to re-open a case
or revisit the decision."
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Ugh! They're not backing us.
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Who was it that John Yates
said about the case...
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Something about, uh,
a small number of, uh...
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Of hacks, yeah.
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Our inquiries showed that
they only use the tactic
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against a far smaller number
of individuals.
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Page two.
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"Searched Mulcaire's office,
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"seized material which indicated some
non-royal cases had been hacked."
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- Yup.
- "The DPP states,
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"only a select sample of these
could be taken to court
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"because any other approach might
have made the case unmanageable."
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Unmanageable?
That suggests a lot of hacking.
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- By more than one reporter.
- Yeah.
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Almost an admission of such.
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I'll write, you call.
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- Got it.
- (PHONE BEEPING)
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That means you need to leave the car.
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Got it. Yeah.
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- This is Nick Davies of The Guardian.
- MAN: Hi there.
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I need to speak
to somebody at the CPS
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about the Glenn Mulcaire prosecution.
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MAN: Uh, yes. Yes,
but specifically, how can I help?
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Specifically?
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I want to know
what the police passed up
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and you declined to prosecute
because any other approach
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would have been "unmanageable".
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- MAN: Okay.
- I have information,
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particularly an email
that I want to discuss.
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MAN: Uh, yes, sir.
Um, can I put you on hold?
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Yes, I will hold.
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Never gonna give you up
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- Never gonna let you down
- Really?
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The plot thickens.
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The Neville email was never flagged.
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The Met never flagged it to the CPS.
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Why not?
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I can't give this up.
It's too important.
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No, I know.
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I won't let it hurt Alan.
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I'm not entirely sure
you can make that promise.
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(SOMBRE MUSIC PLAYING)
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(DAVID GRUNTS)
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(BELL TOLLING)
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- Hi.
- Hi.
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- Made you a sandwich.
- Oh, cheers.
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You look rough.
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Yeah, and you look beautiful.
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I'm not sleeping.
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No, neither am I.
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- Daniel Morgan.
- Anything I can...
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I can't tell you anything.
You know that.
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- Is there something to tell...
- No.
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Christ. Salmon and cream cheese, eh?
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- Scottish salmon.
- (CHUCKLES)
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And I need some
non-Daniel Morgan advice.
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What, you're saying poncy sandwiches
don't come free?
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Ah.
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Why would the Met not flag evidence
to the Crown Prosecution Service?
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CPS don't get everything.
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And everything it does get has to
pass the relevance test, right?
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- Correct.
- Okay.
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So, is this relevant?
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They're transcripts
for Neville Thurlbeck,
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Chief Reporter at
the News of the Word.
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And they didn't get shown this?
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They put it through
as "unused material."
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Shit.
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Tell me.
What is happening in the Met?
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Well, there's obviously a lot
I can't say.
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But what I can say,
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is that ever since Stephen Lawrence,
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the Met's have
made it their job to...
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Well, Dick Fedorcio,
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- director of communications.
- Yeah, I've met him.
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Well, he currently sits
on the Met's senior management team.
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Our comms chief,
not a police officer.
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And he has direct impact
on operational decisions.
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Good press matters that much?
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These meetings are dominated
by how to get the cases
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that are going well
in the front of the tabloids
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and the cases that are
not going so well, off them.
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By order of the Commissioner,
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Dick will wine and dine
the crime journalists.
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And guess who he meets the most?
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News of the World and The Sun.
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But not flagging this to the CPS?
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It's bad. Very bad.
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Look, will you stop doing that?
You're making me jumpy.
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I think I'm being watched.
251
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- What, you have anything to hide?
- You, for one thing.
252
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Hey, I'm just meeting a pal
for a poncy sandwich.
253
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Glenn Mulcaire did
a minimum 20,000 hours' work
254
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for the News of the World.
255
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That's on record.
It's an industrial level of work.
256
00:12:20,247 --> 00:12:23,346
Which means he worked for far more
journalists than Clive Goodman.
257
00:12:23,446 --> 00:12:25,266
So, Neville Thurlbeck
appears to be one other,
258
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but was he feeding all of them?
259
00:12:28,926 --> 00:12:30,925
Nick, just be careful, okay?
260
00:12:31,445 --> 00:12:34,625
See, these people
are not to be fucked with.
261
00:12:34,725 --> 00:12:36,724
(DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING)
262
00:12:40,604 --> 00:12:43,363
- (MOBILE RINGING)
- (FRIDGE DOOR OPENING, CLOSING)
263
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There you go.
264
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Charlotte Harris.
265
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NICK: Nick Davies.
266
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Right.
267
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You sound delighted to hear from me.
268
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CHARLOTTE:
Delighted and not surprised.
269
00:12:55,442 --> 00:12:57,021
How'd you get this number?
Did you blag it?
270
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Your office gave it to me.
271
00:12:58,361 --> 00:13:00,301
I can be very polite
and surprisingly charming.
272
00:13:00,401 --> 00:13:02,221
If you're calling about
the CPS enhancement,
273
00:13:02,321 --> 00:13:04,380
I'm as pissed off as you are,
but there's nothing I can do.
274
00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,300
Look, the CPS have a file
on Glenn Mulcaire.
275
00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:08,380
You must know someone who...
276
00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,019
Nick, I don't work for you
and I've got to go.
277
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Good luck and goodbye.
278
00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,559
- (DISCONNECTS)
- Uh, right. Okay.
279
00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:20,378
Glenn Mulcaire. Chief phone hacker
for the News of the World.
280
00:13:20,478 --> 00:13:22,538
Given six months' jail time
for the Clive Goodman case
281
00:13:22,638 --> 00:13:24,957
but now, he's out and about.
282
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And sniffing about.
283
00:13:28,677 --> 00:13:30,656
(BANGING)
284
00:13:30,756 --> 00:13:32,756
(DOOR OPENING)
285
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Mr Mulcaire? Nick Davies.
286
00:13:41,915 --> 00:13:43,295
I saw you.
287
00:13:43,395 --> 00:13:45,394
Maroon Saab by the park.
288
00:13:46,554 --> 00:13:48,814
Think I'd do what I do
without being good at it?
289
00:13:48,914 --> 00:13:51,453
I don't know if you've been reading
my pieces in The Guardian.
290
00:13:51,553 --> 00:13:53,293
You taping this?
291
00:13:53,393 --> 00:13:56,153
No. I wouldn't do that
without your consent, Mr Mulcaire.
292
00:13:56,993 --> 00:13:58,992
It's Glenn.
293
00:13:59,592 --> 00:14:00,972
So, who else
are you talking to, Nick?
294
00:14:01,072 --> 00:14:02,532
Got anyone good in the police?
295
00:14:02,632 --> 00:14:04,571
Who's your snout at the screws?
296
00:14:04,671 --> 00:14:06,131
Who are you still talking to
at that paper?
297
00:14:06,231 --> 00:14:08,231
(CHUCKLES SOFTLY) You're funny.
298
00:14:09,391 --> 00:14:10,371
Why are you here?
299
00:14:10,471 --> 00:14:12,670
Did you ever work
for Neville Thurlbeck?
300
00:14:13,190 --> 00:14:14,690
Oh, right.
301
00:14:14,790 --> 00:14:15,770
Let me save you some time...
302
00:14:15,870 --> 00:14:17,870
I have an email written to you,
303
00:14:18,429 --> 00:14:20,529
uh, which is marked for Neville
304
00:14:20,629 --> 00:14:23,409
from Ross Hindley
and it contains transcripts of 35...
305
00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:25,408
Everything I did came out in court.
306
00:14:25,508 --> 00:14:28,068
- Anything more, I didn't do.
- They cut you off, right?
307
00:14:28,988 --> 00:14:31,907
You do know you're still open
to future charges?
308
00:14:33,307 --> 00:14:35,287
Get out now before the whole thing
collapses on you.
309
00:14:35,387 --> 00:14:37,487
You know I've got five kids in there.
310
00:14:37,587 --> 00:14:39,246
And you come to my house
and what, threaten me?
311
00:14:39,346 --> 00:14:40,326
I wasn't threatening you.
312
00:14:40,426 --> 00:14:41,966
Have you any idea
what you're dealing with here?
313
00:14:42,066 --> 00:14:43,686
(CHUCKLES)
314
00:14:43,786 --> 00:14:47,405
Look, you do yours
and I'll do mine, yeah?
315
00:14:47,505 --> 00:14:48,485
I wasn't threatening you.
316
00:14:48,585 --> 00:14:51,065
- I was telling you they won't help.
- (DOOR SLAMS)
317
00:14:55,424 --> 00:14:57,684
NICK: Okay, so,
there is a lie happening here.
318
00:14:57,784 --> 00:15:01,443
The CPS memo shows this stretches
right inside News International.
319
00:15:01,543 --> 00:15:03,043
Glenn Mulcaire
essentially confirmed it.
320
00:15:03,143 --> 00:15:04,283
He didn't confirm it.
321
00:15:04,383 --> 00:15:06,482
I'm digging in. In the meantime,
I'd like to publish
322
00:15:06,582 --> 00:15:09,522
"Are Scotland Yard
Scared of Rupert Murdoch?"
323
00:15:09,622 --> 00:15:11,282
Saying what?
324
00:15:11,382 --> 00:15:15,921
Saying they buried evidence which
should have been passed to the CPS.
325
00:15:16,021 --> 00:15:17,881
- Poking the bear.
- That's what we do? Poke the bear.
326
00:15:17,981 --> 00:15:19,321
- No.
- Can we just take a minute?
327
00:15:19,421 --> 00:15:21,680
- What's your angle here?
- Well, I have two lines of attack.
328
00:15:21,780 --> 00:15:24,800
One, to reveal who was on
their shopping list. I need names.
329
00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:28,799
Much more of them. They were far more
than three royals, five non-royals.
330
00:15:28,899 --> 00:15:29,898
I want to know
who signed off on these names.
331
00:15:29,899 --> 00:15:31,719
I need proof
it was more than Clive Goodman.
332
00:15:31,819 --> 00:15:32,759
How will you get that proof?
333
00:15:32,859 --> 00:15:33,998
My second line of attack
334
00:15:34,098 --> 00:15:35,878
- is to get inside the police.
- A mistake.
335
00:15:35,978 --> 00:15:39,318
To discover why this evidence
wasn't flagged to the CPS.
336
00:15:39,418 --> 00:15:41,837
What criminality was ignored and why?
337
00:15:41,937 --> 00:15:42,877
John Yates called me
338
00:15:42,977 --> 00:15:44,237
and said we've got
the wrong end of the stick
339
00:15:44,337 --> 00:15:46,277
- with the police in all of this.
- We're on the wrong end of the stick?
340
00:15:46,377 --> 00:15:48,696
Yes. Do you not think
that's possible?
341
00:15:49,296 --> 00:15:51,956
Look, are we sure this is sensible?
342
00:15:52,056 --> 00:15:53,955
We're risking our relationship
with the police
343
00:15:54,055 --> 00:15:55,955
and with good journalists
from other newspapers.
344
00:15:56,055 --> 00:15:57,835
Why? To root out a few bad apples.
345
00:15:57,935 --> 00:15:59,955
- It doesn't seem...
- Bad apples, wrong sticks?
346
00:16:00,055 --> 00:16:01,714
- (BLOWS RASPBERRY)
- I agree with Nick.
347
00:16:01,814 --> 00:16:03,914
The Neville email is extraordinary.
348
00:16:04,014 --> 00:16:06,794
And the fact that
they didn't flag it to the CPS,
349
00:16:06,894 --> 00:16:08,513
more extraordinary still.
350
00:16:08,613 --> 00:16:11,473
A chief reporter seems to have
been involved in hacking.
351
00:16:11,573 --> 00:16:13,753
That didn't warrant an investigation?
352
00:16:13,853 --> 00:16:15,632
There are potentially
thousands of victims,
353
00:16:15,732 --> 00:16:17,472
but the Met is only claiming
a small number.
354
00:16:17,572 --> 00:16:19,472
What do you think, Gill?
355
00:16:19,572 --> 00:16:20,991
For a public interest defence,
356
00:16:21,091 --> 00:16:23,091
you need to be absolutely sure
of your facts.
357
00:16:23,651 --> 00:16:25,111
Right now, this feels a bit small.
358
00:16:25,211 --> 00:16:26,911
Well, I have to say I agree.
359
00:16:27,011 --> 00:16:29,370
Let's pause on
the Scotland Yard article.
360
00:16:30,130 --> 00:16:32,710
- Let's let the PCC...
- Press Complaints Commission.
361
00:16:32,810 --> 00:16:35,009
The PCC will settle all of this down.
362
00:16:35,769 --> 00:16:38,449
They'll back us
and it will all be easier.
363
00:16:39,769 --> 00:16:40,829
What else have we got?
364
00:16:40,929 --> 00:16:43,468
Something other than
when's Gordon Brown
365
00:16:43,568 --> 00:16:45,568
going to call
this next damn election?
366
00:16:46,208 --> 00:16:48,927
DAVID: Listen, Alan's nervous,
but he's right.
367
00:16:49,487 --> 00:16:53,427
You need more, but the angles
you're pursuing, also right.
368
00:16:53,527 --> 00:16:55,906
Who says the PCC are gonna back us?
369
00:16:56,006 --> 00:16:57,146
What, you don't think they will?
370
00:16:57,246 --> 00:16:59,946
Why is Alan waiting for them?
You know we have to keep pushing.
371
00:17:00,046 --> 00:17:01,466
It's kill or be killed.
We can't wait.
372
00:17:01,566 --> 00:17:04,105
Yes. The Sunday Times
are getting ready to publish
373
00:17:04,205 --> 00:17:06,205
on John Ford and Alan.
374
00:17:06,925 --> 00:17:08,664
- Right.
- Hmm.
375
00:17:08,764 --> 00:17:10,764
Have Limosis come back with any more?
376
00:17:11,164 --> 00:17:13,504
Nothing that gives us
categorical proof.
377
00:17:13,604 --> 00:17:15,343
He's in trouble.
378
00:17:15,443 --> 00:17:17,143
Just give him time.
379
00:17:17,243 --> 00:17:18,823
They're accusing him
of being a hypocrite.
380
00:17:18,923 --> 00:17:22,322
We have hypocrisy on hypocrisy.
The world's gone mad.
381
00:17:23,082 --> 00:17:25,082
DAVID: Look, Nick.
382
00:17:25,962 --> 00:17:26,942
Nick.
383
00:17:27,042 --> 00:17:29,041
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
384
00:17:33,561 --> 00:17:34,901
No, Nick. Nick, Nick.
385
00:17:35,001 --> 00:17:37,480
- Whatever you're doing, Nick, stop.
- (DIALLING)
386
00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,940
(PHONE RINGING)
387
00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,180
WOMAN: Hello?
388
00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,019
Hi, this is Nick Davies
of The Guardian.
389
00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,099
Can I have The Sunday Times
managing editor's office?
390
00:17:45,199 --> 00:17:47,199
(WHISPERING) I mean it, Nick.
391
00:17:49,678 --> 00:17:50,658
WOMAN: Hello?
392
00:17:50,758 --> 00:17:52,538
Hi, this is Nick Davies
of The Guardian.
393
00:17:52,638 --> 00:17:54,418
- WOMAN: All right.
- Yeah.
394
00:17:54,518 --> 00:17:57,657
I'd like confirmation,
on the record, of A,
395
00:17:57,757 --> 00:18:00,017
how many times you've made payments
to John Ford
396
00:18:00,117 --> 00:18:02,457
to blag into confidential databases.
397
00:18:02,557 --> 00:18:06,336
And B, the period of time over which
these payments have been made.
398
00:18:06,436 --> 00:18:07,936
WOMAN: Okay.
We'll need to investigate.
399
00:18:08,036 --> 00:18:09,895
Of course.
You'll need to do some investigation.
400
00:18:09,995 --> 00:18:13,035
You just call me back whenever
you've had the chance to do so, yeah?
401
00:18:14,155 --> 00:18:15,655
WOMAN: Right.
402
00:18:15,755 --> 00:18:17,754
Great, thanks. Bye-bye.
403
00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:29,273
- (GLENN SIGHS)
- Hi.
404
00:18:29,953 --> 00:18:31,532
Peace offering.
405
00:18:31,632 --> 00:18:33,632
I don't drink.
406
00:18:34,232 --> 00:18:36,752
Can I get you something softer?
A Mars bar?
407
00:18:37,311 --> 00:18:40,211
(CHUCKLES) Sure, I'd tell you
everything I know for a Mars bar.
408
00:18:40,311 --> 00:18:42,091
I wasn't... I'm not threatening you.
409
00:18:42,191 --> 00:18:44,490
No, no. You're Willy Wonka.
Chocolate for everyone.
410
00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:45,890
(LAUGHS)
411
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:48,430
I want to know
your side of the story.
412
00:18:49,390 --> 00:18:50,689
How'd you find me here?
413
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:51,809
You're on the club's website.
414
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:55,289
You won the big break competition
here two years ago. Congratulations.
415
00:18:55,389 --> 00:18:58,368
In court transcripts,
it says that you worked
416
00:18:58,468 --> 00:19:00,128
for News of the World
for 70 hours a week.
417
00:19:00,228 --> 00:19:01,248
(SIGHS) Here we go.
418
00:19:01,348 --> 00:19:03,668
Over six years,
that's over 20,000 hours.
419
00:19:05,267 --> 00:19:06,687
What were you doing for them
during that time?
420
00:19:06,787 --> 00:19:08,887
I'm a PI. I did PI work.
421
00:19:08,987 --> 00:19:10,607
For who?
422
00:19:10,707 --> 00:19:12,126
Because it wasn't just Clive Goodman.
423
00:19:12,226 --> 00:19:14,886
Oh, oh, oh. Naming names?
That's two Mars bars at least.
424
00:19:14,986 --> 00:19:18,045
I know you aren't to blame
for all this.
425
00:19:18,145 --> 00:19:19,965
Your name is in the mud already.
426
00:19:20,065 --> 00:19:21,885
If you explain exactly what you did
427
00:19:21,985 --> 00:19:23,285
and who you were working for...
428
00:19:23,385 --> 00:19:24,884
Even if I wanted to tell you who,
429
00:19:24,984 --> 00:19:27,244
the police have got all
my notebooks and my computers
430
00:19:27,344 --> 00:19:28,724
and everything, so.
431
00:19:28,824 --> 00:19:31,364
Notebooks? What's in those?
432
00:19:31,464 --> 00:19:34,203
- (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING)
- (SIGHS) Fuck you.
433
00:19:34,303 --> 00:19:36,443
It was in the CPS report
that your office was searched
434
00:19:36,543 --> 00:19:38,243
and material was seized but
I didn't know there were notebooks.
435
00:19:38,343 --> 00:19:40,682
You find me a PI
who doesn't write things down.
436
00:19:40,782 --> 00:19:42,002
Yeah, well, what's in them?
437
00:19:42,102 --> 00:19:44,102
Lines of inquiry?
438
00:19:44,582 --> 00:19:45,761
Names of the people
you were hacking...
439
00:19:45,861 --> 00:19:47,861
Sorry, doing PI work on?
440
00:19:48,861 --> 00:19:50,481
And the names of who
you were doing them for.
441
00:19:50,581 --> 00:19:51,960
(TENSE MUSIC PLAYING)
442
00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:54,060
Names of
the News of the World journalists.
443
00:19:54,540 --> 00:19:56,080
Go away.
444
00:19:56,180 --> 00:19:58,200
And take your cheap beer with you.
445
00:19:58,300 --> 00:19:59,959
I do not think...
446
00:20:00,059 --> 00:20:03,599
Genuinely, really do not think
that you should be the fall guy here.
447
00:20:03,699 --> 00:20:06,698
Yeah, well, be careful
that you're not a fall guy too.
448
00:20:07,218 --> 00:20:08,518
Eh, champ?
449
00:20:08,618 --> 00:20:10,658
Now, please fuck off.
450
00:20:12,058 --> 00:20:13,917
Let me do the one thing
I still enjoy.
451
00:20:14,017 --> 00:20:16,077
All right.
452
00:20:16,177 --> 00:20:18,177
Good luck.
453
00:20:20,216 --> 00:20:22,216
(TENSE MUSIC BUILDS)
454
00:20:23,576 --> 00:20:24,876
NICK: Mulcaire's given me an idea.
455
00:20:24,976 --> 00:20:27,195
CHARLOTTE: Oh, good.
All he's given me is a headache.
456
00:20:27,295 --> 00:20:29,475
We need to get inside
the court system.
457
00:20:29,575 --> 00:20:31,275
We need to get
more information released.
458
00:20:31,375 --> 00:20:32,355
CHARLOTTE: Sorry?
459
00:20:32,455 --> 00:20:34,234
They won't release documents to me.
460
00:20:34,334 --> 00:20:35,954
They will if they're compelled to
by a judge.
461
00:20:36,054 --> 00:20:38,054
CHARLOTTE: Hang on.
Can you calm down?
462
00:20:39,254 --> 00:20:41,073
- What?
- Children.
463
00:20:41,173 --> 00:20:42,793
You are aware it's the weekend?
464
00:20:42,893 --> 00:20:45,673
Oh, right.
The police have Mulcaire's notebooks.
465
00:20:45,773 --> 00:20:47,032
If we can get them
into the public eye,
466
00:20:47,132 --> 00:20:49,112
we'll see who hired who,
467
00:20:49,212 --> 00:20:50,952
how high this goes,
who was being hacked.
468
00:20:51,052 --> 00:20:53,032
I need... We need compelled evidence.
469
00:20:53,132 --> 00:20:54,271
(KIDS CHATTERING)
470
00:20:54,371 --> 00:20:56,191
You swapped between
"I need" and "We need"
471
00:20:56,291 --> 00:20:57,791
in the same sentence.
Do you know that?
472
00:20:57,891 --> 00:20:59,351
I know you've other clients.
473
00:20:59,451 --> 00:21:01,390
I know you're building
several cases here.
474
00:21:01,490 --> 00:21:03,490
- Help me, it'll help you, too.
- (KIDS LAUGHING)
475
00:21:05,010 --> 00:21:05,990
We don't work together, Nick.
476
00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:10,149
Well, of course we don't.
But we do have the same cause.
477
00:21:10,249 --> 00:21:12,029
I can't get inside the notebooks
478
00:21:12,129 --> 00:21:14,148
because I'm not mentioned
in the notebooks.
479
00:21:14,248 --> 00:21:16,988
But you find a client who is in there
480
00:21:17,088 --> 00:21:18,988
who has the bravery
to take it to court,
481
00:21:19,088 --> 00:21:23,507
suddenly, you can see
how much this opens up.
482
00:21:23,607 --> 00:21:25,767
Yeah. (INHALES SHARPLY)
483
00:21:27,207 --> 00:21:29,206
Let me, um...
484
00:21:29,886 --> 00:21:32,026
There might be somebody
you could talk to.
485
00:21:32,126 --> 00:21:34,305
Well, let me know
as soon as you can, okay?
486
00:21:34,405 --> 00:21:35,945
Yes, I heard you. I'm on it.
487
00:21:36,045 --> 00:21:38,045
Okay, thanks. Bye.
488
00:21:45,844 --> 00:21:47,743
There is an art to fear.
489
00:21:47,843 --> 00:21:49,663
An art the News of the World
and The Sun
490
00:21:49,763 --> 00:21:52,143
and all those nasty buggers
mastered a long time ago.
491
00:21:52,243 --> 00:21:53,903
They call it monstering.
492
00:21:54,003 --> 00:21:56,182
Grievous emotional harm.
493
00:21:56,282 --> 00:21:59,282
The kind of injury from which
some victims simply never recover.
494
00:22:00,362 --> 00:22:03,341
A monstering is intended
to destroy the victim involved
495
00:22:03,441 --> 00:22:04,821
and it is intended to make sure
496
00:22:04,921 --> 00:22:07,201
that no one stands up
to them ever again.
497
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,100
Take former Labour
government minister, Clare Short.
498
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,540
She criticised The Sun's use
of topless women to sell the paper.
499
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,859
She found herself
denounced to millions as...
500
00:22:16,959 --> 00:22:18,659
Killjoy Clare.
501
00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:20,499
Short of looks.
502
00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:21,978
Short on brains.
503
00:22:22,078 --> 00:22:24,658
NICK: The paper offered
free car stickers,
504
00:22:24,758 --> 00:22:26,898
sent page three models
round to her home.
505
00:22:26,998 --> 00:22:29,097
Ran a beauty contest
to ask their readers
506
00:22:29,197 --> 00:22:32,937
whether they would prefer
to see her face or the back of a bus.
507
00:22:33,037 --> 00:22:35,037
(PHOTOGRAPHERS CLAMOURING)
508
00:22:35,596 --> 00:22:37,596
(DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING)
509
00:22:37,916 --> 00:22:40,216
The News of the World
ran two bogus stories
510
00:22:40,316 --> 00:22:42,695
suggesting Clare was involved
in pornography.
511
00:22:42,795 --> 00:22:46,175
Tried to buy old photographs of her
as a 20 year-old in a nightdress.
512
00:22:46,275 --> 00:22:48,455
And published a smear story
which attempted to link her
513
00:22:48,555 --> 00:22:50,734
- to a West Indian gangster.
- (GUN COCKS)
514
00:22:50,834 --> 00:22:52,874
- (GUN FIRING)
- NICK: They monstered her.
515
00:22:53,834 --> 00:22:55,834
It was horrible.
516
00:22:57,273 --> 00:23:00,733
In his diary, Alastair Campbell
recalls the ferocious monstering
517
00:23:00,833 --> 00:23:02,932
which was given
to the then Transport Secretary,
518
00:23:03,032 --> 00:23:05,192
Stephen Byers in 2002.
519
00:23:05,752 --> 00:23:07,752
It continued even after he resigned.
520
00:23:08,232 --> 00:23:09,491
It's like they get a corpse
521
00:23:09,591 --> 00:23:12,131
but then they're disappointed
there's nothing left to kill.
522
00:23:12,231 --> 00:23:14,131
So, they try and kill
the dead body, too.
523
00:23:14,231 --> 00:23:17,550
So, standing up to it...
Standing up to that paper takes guts.
524
00:23:19,710 --> 00:23:21,710
And possibly a little insanity.
525
00:23:22,150 --> 00:23:24,149
Max, it's an honour.
526
00:23:24,469 --> 00:23:26,549
An honour? Is that right?
527
00:23:27,949 --> 00:23:29,049
Max Clifford.
528
00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:30,928
King of the kiss and tell.
529
00:23:31,028 --> 00:23:33,008
His job was
bargaining with the tabloids
530
00:23:33,108 --> 00:23:35,448
to get the best headlines
and the most money
531
00:23:35,548 --> 00:23:36,687
for his string of clients.
532
00:23:36,787 --> 00:23:38,787
Didn't need to be true,
just needed to sell.
533
00:23:40,187 --> 00:23:42,467
Do you remember
"Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster"?
534
00:23:43,187 --> 00:23:45,286
He wrote that headline.
535
00:23:45,386 --> 00:23:48,266
But maybe it takes a tabloid man
to kill the tabloids.
536
00:23:49,346 --> 00:23:51,245
I'm sincerely grateful
for you being here.
537
00:23:51,345 --> 00:23:53,525
Charlotte explained your problem.
538
00:23:53,625 --> 00:23:56,145
I have a feeling that our interests
might align on this.
539
00:23:56,705 --> 00:23:58,704
They hacked me. That's on record.
540
00:23:59,584 --> 00:24:01,764
And I want to find out
who signed off on it.
541
00:24:01,864 --> 00:24:05,463
- Well, that's extremely important.
- We hope it will be important.
542
00:24:06,143 --> 00:24:09,403
We've had our first disclosure.
We made an application to the courts.
543
00:24:09,503 --> 00:24:12,062
This is everything
Mulcaire wrote about Max.
544
00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:17,622
NICK: Hmm.
545
00:24:21,101 --> 00:24:22,281
They've redacted everything.
546
00:24:22,381 --> 00:24:24,241
In particular,
anything which might identify
547
00:24:24,341 --> 00:24:26,740
the News of the World journalists who
might have commissioned the hacking.
548
00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:29,680
I'm going back to court.
We'll get more.
549
00:24:29,780 --> 00:24:32,239
Question. When they disclosed
Gordon Taylor's paperwork,
550
00:24:32,339 --> 00:24:33,599
did they redact anything?
551
00:24:33,699 --> 00:24:35,639
- No.
- Why start now?
552
00:24:35,739 --> 00:24:36,919
Because it implicates them.
553
00:24:37,019 --> 00:24:39,018
So did Gordon Taylor.
554
00:24:39,898 --> 00:24:43,498
They're working out
how to make themselves impenetrable.
555
00:24:44,897 --> 00:24:46,797
They're watching us.
556
00:24:46,897 --> 00:24:49,077
You do know what you're taking on?
557
00:24:49,177 --> 00:24:51,037
Do you know who you're talking to?
558
00:24:51,137 --> 00:24:53,136
I believe Rebekah Brooks
is your friend.
559
00:24:53,576 --> 00:24:55,436
Didn't you help her
when she was accused of assault?
560
00:24:55,536 --> 00:24:57,656
I help her. But not in that case.
561
00:24:58,575 --> 00:25:00,935
I have my loyalties
and I have beliefs.
562
00:25:02,055 --> 00:25:03,795
I mean, I know Andy Coulson.
563
00:25:03,895 --> 00:25:05,934
But him,
sitting next to the Prime Minister,
564
00:25:06,894 --> 00:25:08,674
that's wrong in every way.
565
00:25:08,774 --> 00:25:09,754
All the same...
566
00:25:09,854 --> 00:25:12,673
I've spent my entire life
inside that machine.
567
00:25:12,773 --> 00:25:15,093
I know what their guns smell like.
568
00:25:15,893 --> 00:25:17,433
Do you?
569
00:25:17,533 --> 00:25:19,532
We need you, Max.
570
00:25:19,972 --> 00:25:22,452
Christ. If I'm your best hope,
571
00:25:23,252 --> 00:25:25,252
you're fucked.
572
00:25:29,411 --> 00:25:31,551
- SHERIDAN: You look tired.
- (DOOR CLOSES)
573
00:25:31,651 --> 00:25:32,910
SHERIDAN: Are you sleeping?
574
00:25:33,010 --> 00:25:35,010
Oh, I've definitely slept better.
575
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:38,290
That, um, mortgage application,
did that come back at all?
576
00:25:39,290 --> 00:25:40,789
No, but there was something else.
577
00:25:40,889 --> 00:25:42,749
Um...
578
00:25:42,849 --> 00:25:46,788
So, when I was picking the kids up,
uh, someone I didn't recognise
579
00:25:46,888 --> 00:25:49,868
started talking to me
about a Maggie someone.
580
00:25:49,968 --> 00:25:51,968
Now, that's an ex of yours, right?
581
00:25:52,688 --> 00:25:54,687
Oh, God. Did they see the kids?
582
00:25:55,367 --> 00:25:57,647
Yeah, I mean,
they kept is casual, but...
583
00:25:58,607 --> 00:26:00,586
Shit.
584
00:26:00,686 --> 00:26:03,386
Maggie?
God, they're desperately digging.
585
00:26:03,486 --> 00:26:06,266
I didn't like it, Nick. School gate.
586
00:26:06,366 --> 00:26:07,785
(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
587
00:26:07,885 --> 00:26:09,625
Well, look, they approach you again,
588
00:26:09,725 --> 00:26:11,585
you take out your phone,
you take a photograph.
589
00:26:11,685 --> 00:26:16,284
Okay. And promise me it's not
going to get worse than this.
590
00:26:16,644 --> 00:26:19,384
Well, they'd be really stupid
to do anything I could print.
591
00:26:19,484 --> 00:26:21,483
But I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.
592
00:26:24,403 --> 00:26:26,463
Will they find any skeletons?
593
00:26:26,563 --> 00:26:28,382
Well, if they look properly,
they'll find a cemetery.
594
00:26:28,482 --> 00:26:30,022
- (KNOCKING)
- This is a delivery.
595
00:26:30,122 --> 00:26:31,982
- You stay where you are.
- No, no. Let me go.
596
00:26:32,082 --> 00:26:34,381
- All right.
- Um, we'll... Let's talk later.
597
00:26:34,481 --> 00:26:35,461
Bye, kids.
598
00:26:35,561 --> 00:26:36,541
NICK: Bye-bye.
KIDS: Bye.
599
00:26:36,641 --> 00:26:37,821
- (DOOR OPENS)
- SHERIDAN: Alan.
600
00:26:37,921 --> 00:26:40,181
ALAN: Sheridan.
SHERIDAN: Oh.
601
00:26:40,281 --> 00:26:41,620
(KISSING) How are you?
602
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,500
- I'm good. You all right?
- Mmm.
603
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,260
SHERIDAN: I'm off.
I'll leave you to it.
604
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:48,359
NICK: Hello. You coming in?
605
00:26:49,239 --> 00:26:50,219
No.
606
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:52,099
I've got food on. There's enough.
607
00:26:52,199 --> 00:26:53,939
I have some, uh, good news actually.
608
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:57,298
Max Clifford, of all people,
taking them to court.
609
00:26:57,398 --> 00:26:59,058
John Ford thing's gone away.
610
00:26:59,158 --> 00:27:01,137
(CAR DEPARTING)
611
00:27:01,237 --> 00:27:03,237
Great.
612
00:27:03,557 --> 00:27:05,557
You think I don't know how?
613
00:27:06,437 --> 00:27:08,736
- Let's talk inside.
- Nick Davies,
614
00:27:08,836 --> 00:27:11,776
always guaranteed to bring
a flame thrower to a knife fight.
615
00:27:11,876 --> 00:27:13,776
It was the best thing to do.
616
00:27:13,876 --> 00:27:15,975
You didn't think
to consult me beforehand?
617
00:27:16,075 --> 00:27:17,335
It's gone away, Alan.
618
00:27:17,435 --> 00:27:19,435
Because you, um... (SMACKS LIPS)
619
00:27:19,835 --> 00:27:22,574
What's the right word to use here?
Provoked them.
620
00:27:22,674 --> 00:27:25,134
In Flat Earth news,
I found substantial proof that
621
00:27:25,234 --> 00:27:26,494
The Sunday Times
were using John Ford...
622
00:27:26,594 --> 00:27:28,833
- That doesn't matter.
- Of course it matters.
623
00:27:29,593 --> 00:27:31,333
They were wrong to use John Ford.
624
00:27:31,433 --> 00:27:34,813
I was wrong if I did,
inadvertently, use John Ford.
625
00:27:34,913 --> 00:27:36,692
And you were wrong to get involved
626
00:27:36,792 --> 00:27:39,912
in a way that wasn't asked for
and wasn't warranted.
627
00:27:41,192 --> 00:27:43,171
I was trying to broker peace
with John Witherow
628
00:27:43,271 --> 00:27:45,011
and you could have destabilised that,
629
00:27:45,111 --> 00:27:46,771
and starting a fight
with the News of the World
630
00:27:46,871 --> 00:27:48,171
and The Sunday Times.
631
00:27:48,271 --> 00:27:50,290
I knew it would work.
Are you denying that it did?
632
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:52,530
No. But if you knew it would work,
633
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:54,930
why didn't you make that call
at the very beginning?
634
00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:56,569
Why did you try and find him?
635
00:27:56,669 --> 00:27:58,569
Spend a couple of nights
in a car with David Leigh?
636
00:27:58,669 --> 00:28:00,409
Jesus Christ, Nick,
637
00:28:00,509 --> 00:28:02,368
you're such a...
638
00:28:02,468 --> 00:28:03,728
Hazard.
639
00:28:03,828 --> 00:28:06,048
I was just following what was...
640
00:28:06,148 --> 00:28:07,688
Alan, come on. Look... (CHUCKLES)
641
00:28:07,788 --> 00:28:09,287
We need to keep pushing.
642
00:28:09,387 --> 00:28:11,687
They will push back.
We need to keep pushing.
643
00:28:11,787 --> 00:28:14,127
I get it, you're exhausted.
644
00:28:14,227 --> 00:28:15,966
You think you're taking on
everyone by yourself,
645
00:28:16,066 --> 00:28:18,566
but it's not just you
in the box on this one, Nick.
646
00:28:18,666 --> 00:28:20,666
It's all of us.
647
00:28:21,266 --> 00:28:23,665
And I can have a hand on your leg
the whole time.
648
00:28:27,345 --> 00:28:28,765
(CAR DOOR CLOSES)
649
00:28:28,865 --> 00:28:30,864
- (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING)
- (ENGINE STARTING)
650
00:28:31,544 --> 00:28:33,544
(SIGHS)
651
00:28:41,663 --> 00:28:43,662
(SIGHS)
652
00:28:45,502 --> 00:28:47,502
WOMAN: What have you done?
653
00:28:49,982 --> 00:28:51,981
You stupid child.
654
00:28:55,941 --> 00:28:57,940
(MOBILE VIBRATING)
655
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:03,160
Yeah?
656
00:29:03,260 --> 00:29:05,259
- DAVID: I guessed you'd be up.
- Yup.
657
00:29:05,579 --> 00:29:08,019
DAVID: The Press Complaints
Commission have come back.
658
00:29:08,819 --> 00:29:10,199
Not good news?
659
00:29:10,299 --> 00:29:12,678
DAVID: "The PCC has seen
no new evidence
660
00:29:12,778 --> 00:29:15,358
"to suggest that the practice
of the phone messaging tapping
661
00:29:15,458 --> 00:29:19,077
"was undertaken by other
beyond Goodman and Mulcaire.
662
00:29:19,177 --> 00:29:21,837
"Or evidence that
the News of the World executives
663
00:29:21,937 --> 00:29:24,416
"knew about Goodman
or Mulcaire's activities."
664
00:29:24,936 --> 00:29:28,056
You were right, Alan was wrong.
They haven't backed us either.
665
00:29:28,696 --> 00:29:29,676
Yeah, okay.
666
00:29:29,776 --> 00:29:30,796
DAVID: Sorry, Nick.
667
00:29:30,896 --> 00:29:32,275
Mmm. Thanks for calling.
668
00:29:32,375 --> 00:29:34,375
- Bye.
- DAVID: Bye.
669
00:29:38,734 --> 00:29:40,774
(MOBILE VIBRATING)
670
00:29:42,174 --> 00:29:44,593
AUTOMATED VOICE:
Please enter your four digit PIN.
671
00:29:44,693 --> 00:29:46,633
(MOBILE BEEPS)
672
00:29:46,733 --> 00:29:48,393
AUTOMATED VOICE:
Welcome to your voicemail.
673
00:29:48,493 --> 00:29:51,033
You have four new messages.
674
00:29:51,133 --> 00:29:53,552
To listen to your messages,
press one.
675
00:29:53,652 --> 00:29:55,272
- (BEEPS)
- MAN: Uh, this is Carl.
676
00:29:55,372 --> 00:29:57,392
I'm here to read your meter.
You said you'd be here...
677
00:29:57,492 --> 00:29:59,271
- (BEEPS)
- AUTOMATED VOICE: Message deleted.
678
00:29:59,371 --> 00:30:00,751
Next message.
679
00:30:00,851 --> 00:30:02,271
CHARLOTTE: Hey, it's Charlotte.
680
00:30:02,371 --> 00:30:03,831
We've entered
the amended claim for Max
681
00:30:03,931 --> 00:30:05,430
and we're waiting for the courts...
682
00:30:05,530 --> 00:30:07,030
- (BEEPS)
- AUTOMATED VOICE: Message deleted.
683
00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:08,350
Next message.
684
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:10,870
SHERIDAN: Nick, hi, it's me.
Uh, another one.
685
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:13,349
Not sure if it's anything,
but, um, a girl you used...
686
00:30:13,449 --> 00:30:15,069
AUTOMATED VOICE: Message deleted.
687
00:30:15,169 --> 00:30:16,389
(GARBLED) Next message.
688
00:30:16,489 --> 00:30:18,708
(SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC BUILDS)
689
00:30:18,808 --> 00:30:21,808
- (FEEDBACK)
- (ELECTRICAL WHIRRING)
690
00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:24,688
(DEEP BREATH, CLEARS THROAT)
691
00:30:32,566 --> 00:30:35,046
(DOOR CLOSES, LOCKS)
692
00:30:43,285 --> 00:30:45,285
(DOOR KNOCKER KNOCKS)
693
00:30:45,805 --> 00:30:47,804
(DOOR OPENS)
694
00:30:49,484 --> 00:30:51,484
Hello, Dad.
695
00:30:52,364 --> 00:30:53,783
You're looking thinner.
696
00:30:53,883 --> 00:30:56,023
You look good.
697
00:30:56,123 --> 00:30:58,123
Still a charmer.
698
00:31:02,202 --> 00:31:04,202
(CUPS RATTLING)
699
00:31:12,201 --> 00:31:13,540
NICK: I should be
helping with that, Papa.
700
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,720
(CHUCKLES) Should. Would. Could.
701
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,940
No, you can't.
702
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,299
Anyway, these are the good hours.
703
00:31:21,399 --> 00:31:22,659
What's that mean?
704
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:27,738
Hips hurt, knees hurt,
back hurts till 11:00 am.
705
00:31:27,838 --> 00:31:29,578
And then again, from 3:00 pm.
706
00:31:29,678 --> 00:31:31,838
- But 11:00 till 3:00...
- Is a holiday.
707
00:31:32,478 --> 00:31:34,477
Never get old.
708
00:31:36,597 --> 00:31:39,857
So, you've got four good hours and
you sleep for, presumably eight...
709
00:31:39,957 --> 00:31:42,116
Yes, but don't turn it into
a maths puzzle.
710
00:31:42,756 --> 00:31:46,076
I can still do the crossword,
however my hips feel.
711
00:31:46,676 --> 00:31:48,675
That's all that counts.
(GROANS SOFTLY)
712
00:31:51,915 --> 00:31:53,915
The crossword in The Times.
713
00:31:54,554 --> 00:31:56,094
Should I stop buying The Times?
714
00:31:56,194 --> 00:31:58,194
Yes.
715
00:31:58,754 --> 00:32:00,754
- I won't.
- I know.
716
00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:04,533
I've, um, been reading your pieces.
717
00:32:04,633 --> 00:32:06,373
You've managed to watch
the Select Committee.
718
00:32:06,473 --> 00:32:08,092
I have no idea how you even did that.
719
00:32:08,192 --> 00:32:09,732
I'm not a dinosaur.
720
00:32:09,832 --> 00:32:11,832
I can use the internet.
721
00:32:14,511 --> 00:32:17,731
So, is it all as hard as it looks?
722
00:32:17,831 --> 00:32:19,831
It's fine.
723
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:23,650
You've got nothing to prove.
724
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:25,750
I'm not trying to prove anything.
725
00:32:34,509 --> 00:32:36,568
Your mother would have liked it.
726
00:32:36,668 --> 00:32:38,448
All this trouble.
727
00:32:38,548 --> 00:32:40,548
She always liked trouble.
728
00:32:41,628 --> 00:32:43,627
(SOMBRE MUSIC PLAYING)
729
00:32:46,707 --> 00:32:48,846
Just be safe with yourself.
730
00:32:48,946 --> 00:32:50,946
That's all I ask.
731
00:32:51,386 --> 00:32:53,386
Just be safe.
732
00:33:04,824 --> 00:33:06,564
Thank you.
733
00:33:06,664 --> 00:33:08,364
Fifth floor, yeah?
734
00:33:08,464 --> 00:33:11,143
- (PHONE RINGING)
- (LIFT DINGS)
735
00:33:15,503 --> 00:33:17,502
(TICKING)
736
00:33:23,781 --> 00:33:25,781
(MUSIC CONTINUES)
737
00:33:26,821 --> 00:33:28,821
(DOOR OPENS, CREAKS)
738
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:32,240
- YATES: Mr Davies.
- Assistant Commissioner.
739
00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:34,340
- YATES: Thank you for coming in.
- Thank you.
740
00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:37,199
- YATES: Dick said we should meet.
- Yes.
741
00:33:37,299 --> 00:33:39,819
Dick Fedorcio was kind enough
to arrange the meeting.
742
00:33:41,219 --> 00:33:43,758
I thought it useful
so we could smooth matters over,
743
00:33:43,858 --> 00:33:45,278
so we can help each other.
744
00:33:45,378 --> 00:33:46,798
Mmm. I don't think I can help.
745
00:33:46,898 --> 00:33:48,438
No, no, no. I'm here to help you.
746
00:33:48,538 --> 00:33:50,477
A story that makes
Scotland Yard look good.
747
00:33:50,577 --> 00:33:53,857
I just need you to confirm
that in order to be able to
748
00:33:54,577 --> 00:33:57,236
uh, inform all the potential victims
of the hacking
749
00:33:57,336 --> 00:33:59,196
that you set up a new database
750
00:33:59,296 --> 00:34:02,296
containing all the evidence
which you gathered in 2006.
751
00:34:03,056 --> 00:34:04,035
Have we?
752
00:34:04,135 --> 00:34:06,315
Uh...
753
00:34:06,415 --> 00:34:08,435
Well, I've very good word
from lawyers
754
00:34:08,535 --> 00:34:09,715
who've been in touch with the Yard
755
00:34:09,815 --> 00:34:11,874
saying that you're
taking the need to organise
756
00:34:11,974 --> 00:34:15,374
the evidence which perhaps wasn't
organised quite so well, seriously.
757
00:34:17,213 --> 00:34:18,913
All right, fine.
758
00:34:19,013 --> 00:34:21,013
Maybe we have organised a database.
759
00:34:21,453 --> 00:34:23,073
I will give you that.
760
00:34:23,173 --> 00:34:24,472
But in return,
761
00:34:24,572 --> 00:34:27,912
maybe you can cease and desist
with briefing everyone against me.
762
00:34:28,012 --> 00:34:30,072
We have nothing to do
with News International
763
00:34:30,172 --> 00:34:32,071
and you bloody well know it.
764
00:34:32,171 --> 00:34:33,271
Assistant Commissioner,
my interest...
765
00:34:33,371 --> 00:34:35,511
You think I don't know
what you're doing?
766
00:34:35,611 --> 00:34:37,231
When I appeared in front of
that damn Select Committee,
767
00:34:37,331 --> 00:34:39,850
I could see in the eye movements
of the MPs
768
00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:42,530
that you'd briefed all
but one of them.
769
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:45,149
I'm sorry, eye movements?
770
00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:47,969
Mmm-hmm. I'm a clever cop, Mr Davies.
771
00:34:48,809 --> 00:34:50,809
Right.
772
00:34:51,208 --> 00:34:55,868
Why didn't you pass the CPS
the email to Neville Thurlbeck,
773
00:34:55,968 --> 00:34:58,267
which clearly implicated him
in the hacking scandal?
774
00:34:58,367 --> 00:35:00,427
Was it because,
well, as the CPS have said,
775
00:35:00,527 --> 00:35:02,147
that you could only use a sample
776
00:35:02,247 --> 00:35:03,787
because the evidence
was unmanageable otherwise?
777
00:35:03,887 --> 00:35:05,986
No. The CPS were clear.
778
00:35:06,086 --> 00:35:08,786
With the Regulation
of Investigatory Powers Act,
779
00:35:08,886 --> 00:35:10,906
it is only a crime
780
00:35:11,006 --> 00:35:14,025
if the intended victim
had not already heard the message.
781
00:35:14,125 --> 00:35:16,585
No one interprets RIPA like that,
except you.
782
00:35:16,685 --> 00:35:18,025
All I want to know
is the extent of this.
783
00:35:18,125 --> 00:35:19,344
Can you tell me how many victims
784
00:35:19,444 --> 00:35:20,744
of phone hacking
you've been able to identify?
785
00:35:20,844 --> 00:35:22,464
Mr Davies,
786
00:35:22,564 --> 00:35:25,343
the Crown Prosecution Service
do not agree with you.
787
00:35:25,443 --> 00:35:27,763
The Press Complaints Commission
do not agree with you.
788
00:35:28,523 --> 00:35:31,883
And the Metropolitan Police
certainly do not agree with you.
789
00:35:33,522 --> 00:35:36,522
There's dog-minded
and then there's just dog.
790
00:35:37,082 --> 00:35:39,301
This left wing attack on Murdoch
by The Guardian...
791
00:35:39,401 --> 00:35:40,541
If you can't give me a bald number,
792
00:35:40,641 --> 00:35:43,061
just tell me how many victims
were in Mulcaire's notebooks.
793
00:35:43,161 --> 00:35:45,161
(LAUGHS)
794
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,160
I have never fallen out
with a journalist before.
795
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,959
Well, you finally have done so.
796
00:35:55,479 --> 00:35:57,479
Congratulations.
797
00:35:57,879 --> 00:35:59,998
- (DOOR OPENS)
- (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING)
798
00:36:04,798 --> 00:36:06,797
- (LIFT DOOR OPENS)
- (SIGHS)
799
00:36:08,077 --> 00:36:09,977
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
800
00:36:10,077 --> 00:36:12,437
This is Kate Saunders
from The Guardian newspaper.
801
00:36:14,076 --> 00:36:16,076
(PHONE RINGING)
802
00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:20,675
(KNOCKING)
803
00:36:23,155 --> 00:36:25,135
Hi.
804
00:36:25,235 --> 00:36:27,714
- (DOOR CLOSES)
- Look, I brought you a gift.
805
00:36:30,274 --> 00:36:32,274
It's an "I'm not sorry" gift.
806
00:36:34,353 --> 00:36:36,353
Gonna look?
807
00:36:38,713 --> 00:36:41,832
But I'm also, um... I'm stuck, so...
808
00:36:43,712 --> 00:36:45,612
If calling it an "I'm not sorry" gift
is offensive,
809
00:36:45,712 --> 00:36:47,571
call it a "damn" gift.
810
00:36:47,671 --> 00:36:49,091
As in, "Damn, I'm stuck.
Please help".
811
00:36:49,191 --> 00:36:50,971
Why are you stuck?
812
00:36:51,071 --> 00:36:53,631
They are... Everybody is... (SIGHS)
813
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:58,650
No one is telling me
the truth and I...
814
00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,010
Basic thing about you, Nick,
815
00:37:00,110 --> 00:37:02,169
is that each time you find
someone lying to you,
816
00:37:02,269 --> 00:37:03,569
you are utterly amazed,
817
00:37:03,669 --> 00:37:06,609
even though you've devoted most
of your life to uncovering liars.
818
00:37:06,709 --> 00:37:10,188
I wear the coat of a cynic
only to conceal the heart
819
00:37:11,628 --> 00:37:13,328
of an agitated otter.
820
00:37:13,428 --> 00:37:16,527
They, um... Talking of cynicism,
821
00:37:16,627 --> 00:37:19,707
they're now spreading a rumour
that I have a love child.
822
00:37:20,267 --> 00:37:22,266
A love child.
823
00:37:24,346 --> 00:37:26,526
They're coming after me too.
824
00:37:26,626 --> 00:37:28,765
Sheridan's been farming
all sorts of calls.
825
00:37:28,865 --> 00:37:30,685
But they're not
telling lies about you.
826
00:37:30,785 --> 00:37:32,865
- Why are the only lies about me?
- Don't know.
827
00:37:33,545 --> 00:37:35,484
Because they think attacking me
828
00:37:35,584 --> 00:37:37,624
is the easiest way
of shutting you up?
829
00:37:38,304 --> 00:37:40,244
Clever, really.
830
00:37:40,344 --> 00:37:42,323
They know I need you.
831
00:37:42,423 --> 00:37:45,463
How curious, you choose now
to say something so kind.
832
00:37:47,103 --> 00:37:49,002
Oh, God.
833
00:37:49,102 --> 00:37:50,642
I'm your Sancho Panza.
834
00:37:50,742 --> 00:37:52,402
(LAUGHS)
835
00:37:52,502 --> 00:37:54,502
I always thought I was yours.
836
00:37:55,221 --> 00:37:57,341
I'm sorry for making
your life difficult.
837
00:37:58,541 --> 00:38:00,721
I don't...
838
00:38:00,821 --> 00:38:04,120
I don't take our friendship
to mean that...
839
00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:07,480
I don't expect you
to print everything I write.
840
00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:09,039
ALAN: You're just doing
what you're doing.
841
00:38:09,139 --> 00:38:11,159
Which is why you're the best.
842
00:38:11,259 --> 00:38:13,279
Which is why I pay you. Handsomely.
843
00:38:13,379 --> 00:38:15,039
(CHUCKLES)
844
00:38:15,139 --> 00:38:16,438
You're just as optimistic as me.
845
00:38:16,538 --> 00:38:18,758
Christ, you thought the PCC
would come back on our side.
846
00:38:18,858 --> 00:38:21,838
- Even I didn't...
- How a so-called industry regulator
847
00:38:21,938 --> 00:38:23,357
could say that about us.
848
00:38:23,457 --> 00:38:25,497
Well, it's the death
of self-regulation.
849
00:38:27,457 --> 00:38:30,496
- Me? What do I do?
- Can't you call your Mr Apollo?
850
00:38:31,096 --> 00:38:32,076
No, he's gone.
851
00:38:32,176 --> 00:38:33,476
Said he would.
852
00:38:33,576 --> 00:38:37,175
(INHALES) He always contacted me.
Never from the same line twice.
853
00:38:38,135 --> 00:38:41,155
Well, wait for Max Clifford
and your day in court.
854
00:38:41,255 --> 00:38:44,274
Max is important, but we can't wait.
We're in a firefight here.
855
00:38:44,374 --> 00:38:47,054
They're gonna keep slinging mud
till something sticks.
856
00:38:48,214 --> 00:38:50,393
Then...
857
00:38:50,493 --> 00:38:52,593
Oh, what about the phone companies?
858
00:38:52,693 --> 00:38:54,073
Sorry?
859
00:38:54,173 --> 00:38:57,472
Yates made that claim
in the Select Committee
860
00:38:57,572 --> 00:39:00,232
that they'd asked the companies
if there were any other victims
861
00:39:00,332 --> 00:39:03,471
of Mulcaire and Goodman
in order to take appropriate action.
862
00:39:03,571 --> 00:39:05,431
- Yeah, I remember.
- Well,
863
00:39:05,531 --> 00:39:10,790
ask the phone companies to disclose
how many victims they identified
864
00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:12,890
and warned of being hacked.
865
00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:15,490
You might get
the hacked numbers that way.
866
00:39:17,569 --> 00:39:19,229
You're a genius, Sancho.
867
00:39:19,329 --> 00:39:21,329
Never call me that again.
868
00:39:26,928 --> 00:39:28,928
Go on. Click it.
869
00:39:29,928 --> 00:39:31,927
Just click it.
870
00:39:34,407 --> 00:39:36,427
- (CLICKS)
- NICK: Got books.
871
00:39:36,527 --> 00:39:38,106
She's not naked.
There's pens when you click
872
00:39:38,206 --> 00:39:39,386
and they're naked,
but she's covered in books.
873
00:39:39,486 --> 00:39:41,706
- It's a joke.
- Thanks for explaining it to me.
874
00:39:41,806 --> 00:39:43,546
- I'll never use it.
- I'll never ask you to.
875
00:39:43,646 --> 00:39:45,185
Thank you.
876
00:39:45,285 --> 00:39:47,585
ALAN: The Commissioner called
after you left Yates.
877
00:39:47,685 --> 00:39:51,424
He said to me that, um,
your coverage of the hacking scandal
878
00:39:51,524 --> 00:39:53,584
was exaggerated and incorrect.
879
00:39:53,684 --> 00:39:56,504
It's the first time
I felt genuine confidence
880
00:39:56,604 --> 00:39:59,063
that we're doing
absolutely the right thing.
881
00:39:59,163 --> 00:40:01,163
(CHUCKLES SOFTLY)
882
00:40:01,683 --> 00:40:03,743
Adios. (CHUCKLES SOFTLY)
883
00:40:03,843 --> 00:40:06,102
The Select Committee had,
of course, rumbled on after us,
884
00:40:06,202 --> 00:40:07,862
meeting press,
politicians, the police.
885
00:40:07,962 --> 00:40:09,862
Trying to meet Rebekah Brooks,
she said no.
886
00:40:09,962 --> 00:40:12,421
Though they succeeded
in meeting Andy Coulson, who said...
887
00:40:12,521 --> 00:40:14,061
As little as possible.
888
00:40:14,161 --> 00:40:16,381
But they were working it
as best they could.
889
00:40:16,481 --> 00:40:19,100
And I was working with them,
as best I could,
890
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,620
feeding them occasional questions.
891
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,900
Which we asked in our own way.
892
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,619
Hadn't occurred to me
that the police revealing,
893
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,059
in a memo, written by Yates,
894
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,399
that the mobile phone companies
had been contacted, was a way in.
895
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:34,398
The police provided
the individual phone companies
896
00:40:35,118 --> 00:40:37,118
details of the telephone numbers.
897
00:40:38,038 --> 00:40:41,897
And it was agreed that they would
individually research,
898
00:40:41,997 --> 00:40:45,876
assess and address whether or not
and to what degree,
899
00:40:46,876 --> 00:40:50,796
their customers had been the subject
of contact by the suspects.
900
00:40:57,275 --> 00:41:00,414
What I'm looking to find out
is when the police contacted you,
901
00:41:00,514 --> 00:41:02,454
what number of victims
you managed to trace
902
00:41:02,554 --> 00:41:03,894
and how many you contacted.
903
00:41:03,994 --> 00:41:05,993
- (MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY)
- Right, but... Yes.
904
00:41:06,953 --> 00:41:09,573
But John Yates was quoted
in the Select Committee
905
00:41:09,673 --> 00:41:11,253
as saying you were spoken to, so.
906
00:41:11,353 --> 00:41:12,572
(MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY)
907
00:41:12,672 --> 00:41:15,292
My question is, did you ignore
the Assistant Commissioner
908
00:41:15,392 --> 00:41:17,392
of the Metropolitan Police?
909
00:41:18,032 --> 00:41:20,651
- Yeah, sure. Sure, I'll hold.
- DAVID: Nick.
910
00:41:20,751 --> 00:41:24,611
O2, 40 victims. Now, it's only one.
911
00:41:24,711 --> 00:41:26,770
It's only one.
When one goes, they all...
912
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:28,890
Yes, it is.
Now, O2 have just confirmed
913
00:41:28,990 --> 00:41:30,570
that once they were alerted
by the police,
914
00:41:30,670 --> 00:41:32,810
they contacted 40 hacking victims.
915
00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:34,909
I just wondered
whether you have a number for us.
916
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:36,929
Or have you more to hide than them?
917
00:41:37,029 --> 00:41:39,029
- (MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY)
- Great.
918
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:41,588
Great. How many?
919
00:41:41,948 --> 00:41:43,568
MAN: Broadly the same as O2.
920
00:41:43,668 --> 00:41:46,607
You think you can do any better than,
"Broadly the same as O2"?
921
00:41:46,707 --> 00:41:48,927
Orange have come back
with 45 victims.
922
00:41:49,027 --> 00:41:50,487
Do you want to match
that number instead?
923
00:41:50,587 --> 00:41:52,687
(MAN LAUGHING)
924
00:41:52,787 --> 00:41:54,566
No? Okay. Right, okay.
925
00:41:54,666 --> 00:41:57,486
Well, thank you very much.
Thank you, bye.
926
00:41:57,586 --> 00:41:59,586
(TRIUMPHANT MUSIC PLAYING)
927
00:42:01,825 --> 00:42:03,965
- (KNOCKING)
- O2, 40 victims.
928
00:42:04,065 --> 00:42:07,364
Vodafone, 40 victims,
Orange, 45 victims.
929
00:42:07,464 --> 00:42:10,244
Together with the original eight,
that's more than 130 people
930
00:42:10,344 --> 00:42:11,764
who had their phones hacked.
931
00:42:11,864 --> 00:42:13,763
Far more than Yates said.
932
00:42:13,863 --> 00:42:17,423
And this is just the tip
of a very, very big iceberg.
933
00:42:19,023 --> 00:42:20,962
Okay. Let's do it.
934
00:42:21,062 --> 00:42:23,302
- (TRIUMPHANT MUSIC PLAYING)
- (PRINTERS WHIRRING)
935
00:42:26,782 --> 00:42:28,781
NICK: This wasn't just Goodman.
936
00:42:29,261 --> 00:42:30,681
This wasn't just the royals.
937
00:42:30,781 --> 00:42:32,321
This was a practice.
938
00:42:32,421 --> 00:42:34,420
This was our foothold.
939
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:36,900
And yet...
940
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:40,160
Even though News International
should have been on fire,
941
00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:42,199
it, once again, barely hit the sides.
942
00:42:42,299 --> 00:42:44,299
(DISTORTION SOUND)
943
00:42:44,859 --> 00:42:48,338
And no other newspaper thought it was
an important story either.
944
00:42:49,258 --> 00:42:51,258
(SLOW DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING)
945
00:42:59,377 --> 00:43:01,037
DAVE: Good scoop.
946
00:43:01,137 --> 00:43:03,156
The mobile phone companies,
very good.
947
00:43:03,256 --> 00:43:05,296
NICK: Makes me happy
to hear you say words like scoop.
948
00:43:06,176 --> 00:43:07,276
DAVE: Why, is that not what you say?
949
00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:09,375
You ever say "You're nicked"?
950
00:43:09,695 --> 00:43:11,935
I think I tried that once or twice
when I was a younger man.
951
00:43:12,935 --> 00:43:14,995
It doesn't matter.
No one's reporting it.
952
00:43:15,095 --> 00:43:17,334
Doesn't matter what it is,
we're just getting frozen out.
953
00:43:18,174 --> 00:43:20,174
- So try harder.
- What?
954
00:43:20,614 --> 00:43:22,713
Try harder.
Stop pussy footing around.
955
00:43:22,813 --> 00:43:25,193
You think this is pussy footing?
I put my paper on the line.
956
00:43:25,293 --> 00:43:26,313
I put myself on the line.
957
00:43:26,413 --> 00:43:28,553
You're not nailing people. You're not
asking the right questions.
958
00:43:28,653 --> 00:43:30,652
Oh, you're a journalist now?
959
00:43:31,972 --> 00:43:34,532
Why was your Neville email
not passed on?
960
00:43:35,691 --> 00:43:37,831
Print the photo on your front page
961
00:43:37,931 --> 00:43:40,951
of Assistant Commissioner,
John Yates and Rebekah Brooks
962
00:43:41,051 --> 00:43:43,050
sitting together
at the Police Bravery awards.
963
00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:44,550
They sat together?
964
00:43:44,650 --> 00:43:46,270
DAVE: Print what she said
in parliament,
965
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:48,710
"We have paid the police
for information"
966
00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:50,909
and say that doesn't even go
halfway to the truth.
967
00:43:51,009 --> 00:43:53,149
There's a murky swamp
out there, Nick.
968
00:43:53,249 --> 00:43:55,988
Top tier police in the media
and that needs reporting.
969
00:43:56,088 --> 00:43:58,308
I'm trying to write about
all these things.
970
00:43:58,408 --> 00:44:00,768
Unfortunately,
it's speculative and libellous.
971
00:44:01,968 --> 00:44:03,967
You need evidence, so do I.
972
00:44:05,327 --> 00:44:07,327
You want to help,
give me something concrete.
973
00:44:10,686 --> 00:44:12,686
All right. I've dug.
974
00:44:13,646 --> 00:44:15,686
The case, the Neville email,
the hacking.
975
00:44:16,605 --> 00:44:19,105
That case was given
to Specialist Operations.
976
00:44:19,205 --> 00:44:20,185
Terrorist branch?
977
00:44:20,285 --> 00:44:22,325
The boss at the time
was a guy called Andy Hayman.
978
00:44:23,045 --> 00:44:24,024
I know that name.
979
00:44:24,124 --> 00:44:27,904
Yeah, well, he disappeared.
Retirement in a puff of smoke.
980
00:44:28,004 --> 00:44:28,984
And then re-appeared...
981
00:44:29,084 --> 00:44:31,503
Uh, yeah.
Uh, writing articles for The Times.
982
00:44:31,603 --> 00:44:33,603
- That's why I know the name.
- Exactly.
983
00:44:34,043 --> 00:44:36,483
The press goes through the police
like a stick of rock.
984
00:44:37,042 --> 00:44:38,622
And News International,
985
00:44:38,722 --> 00:44:40,722
they're the worst of the lot.
986
00:44:41,202 --> 00:44:43,202
It's still speculative.
987
00:44:43,602 --> 00:44:45,601
Sorry, my friend. I need more.
988
00:44:47,961 --> 00:44:49,961
Aye.
989
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,760
(SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING)
990
00:45:19,076 --> 00:45:21,076
(MOBILE RINGING)
991
00:45:26,115 --> 00:45:28,155
- Charlotte. Tell me some good news.
- CHARLOTTE: Hi.
992
00:45:28,755 --> 00:45:30,755
It's Max.
993
00:45:38,993 --> 00:45:40,993
(SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONTINUES)
994
00:45:45,152 --> 00:45:47,052
Max.
995
00:45:47,152 --> 00:45:48,412
Fucking hell, you brought him?
996
00:45:48,512 --> 00:45:49,892
Max, we've got them on the rack.
997
00:45:49,992 --> 00:45:51,971
You settle, the whole thing
gets covered up again.
998
00:45:52,071 --> 00:45:53,811
You got them on the rack? With what?
999
00:45:53,911 --> 00:45:55,911
What we need, I can't get.
1000
00:45:56,831 --> 00:45:58,970
Stand tall.
Be the man who made a difference.
1001
00:45:59,070 --> 00:46:01,530
Be the man.
Do you listen to yourself?
1002
00:46:01,630 --> 00:46:02,810
CHARLOTTE: This isn't...
1003
00:46:02,910 --> 00:46:05,649
- Please, listen to my advice here.
- You just want your piece of it.
1004
00:46:05,749 --> 00:46:09,009
Oh, your backwoods deal?
I like to think I'm better than that.
1005
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:11,909
- No one is better than money.
- How much?
1006
00:46:14,228 --> 00:46:17,028
- Oh, go on! How much?
- Fuck off.
1007
00:46:21,747 --> 00:46:23,747
CHARLOTTE: Oh, well. We tried.
1008
00:46:25,427 --> 00:46:28,506
The Murdochs agreed to pay Clifford
more than a million pounds.
1009
00:46:29,226 --> 00:46:30,566
Some to cover his legal costs.
1010
00:46:30,666 --> 00:46:33,925
Most in the form of guaranteed income
for stories he would sell them
1011
00:46:34,025 --> 00:46:35,365
over the next three years.
1012
00:46:35,465 --> 00:46:36,485
This meant it could be presented
1013
00:46:36,585 --> 00:46:38,765
as something other
than the payment of damages.
1014
00:46:38,865 --> 00:46:40,644
This meant Charlotte
didn't get her cut.
1015
00:46:40,744 --> 00:46:42,744
This meant it wasn't news.
1016
00:46:43,424 --> 00:46:45,424
Nobody was fooled, but it was clever.
1017
00:46:46,623 --> 00:46:48,623
Our biggest gun was spiked.
1018
00:46:49,703 --> 00:46:52,843
- (INDISTINCT CHATTER)
- MAN: (ON TV) First election debate.
1019
00:46:52,943 --> 00:46:54,922
Tonight, history in the making,
1020
00:46:55,022 --> 00:46:59,162
as we are joined by the leader
of the Liberal Democrats, Nick Clegg,
1021
00:46:59,262 --> 00:47:01,961
the Conservative Party leader,
David Cameron
1022
00:47:02,061 --> 00:47:04,801
and the leader of The Labour Party,
Gordon Brown.
1023
00:47:04,901 --> 00:47:06,760
(AUDIENCE CLAPPING)
1024
00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:10,700
NICK: The truth is power and secrecy
walk hand in hand.
1025
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:16,379
Power enjoys secrecy
because it increases its scope.
1026
00:47:17,739 --> 00:47:20,698
Power generates secrecy
simply because it can.
1027
00:47:22,138 --> 00:47:24,038
Downing Street, Scotland Yard,
1028
00:47:24,138 --> 00:47:26,738
they're no different
to other powerful organisations.
1029
00:47:27,777 --> 00:47:29,437
They find secrecy easy,
1030
00:47:29,537 --> 00:47:31,617
natural and extremely helpful,
1031
00:47:32,777 --> 00:47:34,996
regardless of whether or not
it may cheat the public
1032
00:47:35,096 --> 00:47:37,656
of information to which
they have a profound right.
1033
00:47:38,456 --> 00:47:41,215
But, here's the thing
about power and secrecy.
1034
00:47:42,775 --> 00:47:44,795
If you can expose the secrecy,
1035
00:47:44,895 --> 00:47:47,535
you might... You might, might,
1036
00:47:49,614 --> 00:47:50,674
break the power.
1037
00:47:50,774 --> 00:47:53,854
- (WOMAN VOCALISING)
- (MUSIC CRESCENDOS, STOPS)
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