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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,674 --> 00:00:11,674 (PROJECTOR CLICKS, WHIRS) 2 00:00:14,673 --> 00:00:16,333 (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) 3 00:00:16,433 --> 00:00:18,133 Previously on The Hack... 4 00:00:18,233 --> 00:00:19,733 Hacking phones of the News of the World 5 00:00:19,833 --> 00:00:21,292 has been endemic. 6 00:00:21,392 --> 00:00:22,492 Endemic? 7 00:00:22,592 --> 00:00:23,692 They've hacked thousands. 8 00:00:23,792 --> 00:00:25,492 There is an industry making huge profit 9 00:00:25,592 --> 00:00:27,012 from invading peoples' private lives 10 00:00:27,112 --> 00:00:28,931 and Rupert Murdoch's bullying tabloids 11 00:00:29,031 --> 00:00:31,291 have explicitly encouraged it and are buying it. 12 00:00:31,391 --> 00:00:32,611 Charlotte Harris? 13 00:00:32,711 --> 00:00:34,290 Nick Davies of The Guardian. 14 00:00:34,390 --> 00:00:36,570 I can't talk to you about specific cases, 15 00:00:36,670 --> 00:00:39,330 but I can tell you there is so much more to come. 16 00:00:39,430 --> 00:00:40,809 ALAN: Show me what you have. 17 00:00:40,909 --> 00:00:42,489 A printout of an email proving a payment 18 00:00:42,589 --> 00:00:45,729 of £7,000 to Mulcaire for a story on Gordon Taylor. 19 00:00:45,829 --> 00:00:48,008 And the police have access to all of this and more. 20 00:00:48,108 --> 00:00:51,528 In my opinion, what I have seen, is a most careful investigation 21 00:00:51,628 --> 00:00:53,568 by very experienced detectives. 22 00:00:53,668 --> 00:00:56,167 And since no additional evidence has come to light, 23 00:00:56,267 --> 00:00:58,527 I can see no reason to reopen the inquiry. 24 00:00:58,627 --> 00:01:01,047 Keir Starmer's conducting a review. 25 00:01:01,147 --> 00:01:04,766 And now, the CMS Select Committee want to see us urgently. 26 00:01:04,866 --> 00:01:07,546 - Are you reading the statement? - No. 27 00:01:09,025 --> 00:01:11,025 But I do have things to say. 28 00:01:11,465 --> 00:01:13,465 - (DIALLING) - (THUNDER RUMBLING) 29 00:01:14,065 --> 00:01:15,764 AUTOMATED VOICE: Welcome to your voicemail. 30 00:01:15,864 --> 00:01:18,364 You have three new messages. 31 00:01:18,464 --> 00:01:21,244 To listen to your messages, press one. 32 00:01:21,344 --> 00:01:22,403 (BEEPS) 33 00:01:22,503 --> 00:01:25,423 MICHAEL: Papa here. Just wondering when you're over? 34 00:01:25,983 --> 00:01:29,102 Oh, uh, the kitchen tap seems to be fixed now, 35 00:01:29,822 --> 00:01:32,122 - which is good. So, uh... - (BEEPS) 36 00:01:32,222 --> 00:01:34,522 AUTOMATED VOICE: Message deleted. Next message. 37 00:01:34,622 --> 00:01:35,961 Nick, it's Sheridan. 38 00:01:36,061 --> 00:01:38,641 Um, just to say I got a call from the bank today. 39 00:01:38,741 --> 00:01:40,401 They said it's in relation to the re-mortgage, 40 00:01:40,501 --> 00:01:43,640 but... (SIGHS) I felt like someone was fishing. 41 00:01:43,740 --> 00:01:45,560 - (BEEPS) - AUTOMATED VOICE: Message deleted. 42 00:01:45,660 --> 00:01:46,720 Next message. 43 00:01:46,820 --> 00:01:49,939 MAN: Nick, we're putting together a legal response for Alan. 44 00:01:50,579 --> 00:01:52,879 But, we need to speak to you about the Select Committee. 45 00:01:52,979 --> 00:01:55,079 - (FEEDBACK) - (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) 46 00:01:55,179 --> 00:01:57,178 (THUNDER RUMBLING) 47 00:02:01,218 --> 00:02:03,217 Oh, God. 48 00:02:04,177 --> 00:02:06,177 Don't you dare. 49 00:02:08,937 --> 00:02:10,316 Has Alan rung again? 50 00:02:10,416 --> 00:02:11,756 Possibly. 51 00:02:11,856 --> 00:02:13,856 Possibly? 52 00:02:15,536 --> 00:02:17,615 NICK: Could be the school telling me my son has broken his leg, 53 00:02:18,775 --> 00:02:20,775 or Rebekah Brooks declaring surrender. 54 00:02:21,295 --> 00:02:24,954 Or it could be Alan asking where I am and whether David Leigh is with me. 55 00:02:25,054 --> 00:02:27,054 I didn't answer. I didn't want to lie to him. 56 00:02:27,654 --> 00:02:29,654 Perhaps he'll leave a voicemail. 57 00:02:30,773 --> 00:02:33,313 Why are we here? Good question. 58 00:02:33,413 --> 00:02:34,713 MAN: Thank you for joining us, gentlemen. 59 00:02:34,813 --> 00:02:36,632 Now, we have a lot of questions, 60 00:02:36,732 --> 00:02:38,872 so try and keep opening statements short. 61 00:02:38,972 --> 00:02:41,592 I'd like to keep this whole experience quite short, if I may. 62 00:02:41,692 --> 00:02:43,391 - (CHUCKLING) - Um, but I do have... 63 00:02:43,491 --> 00:02:45,491 Well, it's quite a lot for me to say. 64 00:02:45,931 --> 00:02:49,911 I'd like to start by showing you, first of all, copies of an email. 65 00:02:50,011 --> 00:02:51,670 With respect, Mr Davies, uh, 66 00:02:51,770 --> 00:02:53,230 we have quite a few questions for you. 67 00:02:53,330 --> 00:02:55,430 I understand that but I think your questions will be given context... 68 00:02:55,530 --> 00:02:57,769 - Let's open with a question from... - Mr Whittingdale. 69 00:03:00,329 --> 00:03:01,429 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) 70 00:03:01,529 --> 00:03:03,529 Do you want the evidence or not? 71 00:03:04,488 --> 00:03:06,488 I would like to read it. 72 00:03:10,288 --> 00:03:12,287 Yup. Okay. 73 00:03:17,526 --> 00:03:19,526 - There you go. - Okay. 74 00:03:22,126 --> 00:03:25,185 This is an email sent for Neville Thurlbeck, 75 00:03:25,285 --> 00:03:27,225 Chief Reporter for News of the World. 76 00:03:27,325 --> 00:03:29,325 A document the police have had for some time. 77 00:03:30,125 --> 00:03:33,884 A document that contains transcripts of hacked voicemails. 78 00:03:35,124 --> 00:03:37,124 I hope you'll agree this backs up our claims. 79 00:03:37,804 --> 00:03:39,823 But what's more unsettling is that Scotland Yard 80 00:03:39,923 --> 00:03:43,503 have never arrested or interviewed Neville Thurlbeck. 81 00:03:43,603 --> 00:03:44,583 My chief concern is... 82 00:03:44,683 --> 00:03:46,382 Mr Davies, this is all very dramatic, 83 00:03:46,482 --> 00:03:48,342 but if we can get back to the matter in hand. 84 00:03:48,442 --> 00:03:50,062 Mr Whittingdale, I'm very worried 85 00:03:50,162 --> 00:03:53,361 that News International journalists have been breaking the law. 86 00:03:54,761 --> 00:03:56,381 And equally worried that Scotland Yard 87 00:03:56,481 --> 00:03:58,520 do not appear to have investigated them. 88 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,280 (PEOPLE WHISPERING) 89 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,800 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONTINUES) 90 00:04:05,679 --> 00:04:08,839 ALAN: "Mr Davies, this is all very dramatic." 91 00:04:10,239 --> 00:04:13,638 It's amazing what you can do with kids' glue and some black paper. 92 00:04:14,758 --> 00:04:17,498 You... You got your kids to redact a... 93 00:04:17,598 --> 00:04:19,597 They enjoyed it. They like craft. 94 00:04:20,957 --> 00:04:22,577 Good revolutionaries. 95 00:04:22,677 --> 00:04:24,577 - (BOTH CHUCKLE) - Yeah. 96 00:04:24,677 --> 00:04:27,576 What was that letter Che Guevara wrote to his kids? 97 00:04:27,676 --> 00:04:29,676 (MOBILE VIBRATING) 98 00:04:30,916 --> 00:04:32,915 ALAN: Alan. 99 00:04:33,755 --> 00:04:35,755 Hi. 100 00:04:36,315 --> 00:04:38,215 No, it's fine. 101 00:04:38,315 --> 00:04:40,314 I think we got away with it. 102 00:04:44,114 --> 00:04:45,494 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) 103 00:04:45,594 --> 00:04:47,593 What are they saying? 104 00:04:50,713 --> 00:04:52,653 Yes. 105 00:04:52,753 --> 00:04:55,912 (INHALES SHARPLY) Can you just... Yes. 106 00:04:57,152 --> 00:04:59,512 Right. Thanks for letting me know. 107 00:05:02,951 --> 00:05:04,491 David Leppard, The Sunday Times. 108 00:05:04,591 --> 00:05:07,470 - Why is Leppard phoning you? - It wasn't him. 109 00:05:09,150 --> 00:05:12,010 Leppard's spreading a story that I hired John Ford 110 00:05:12,110 --> 00:05:14,109 to hack voicemail. 111 00:05:14,429 --> 00:05:16,249 It's apparently all over parliament. 112 00:05:16,349 --> 00:05:18,649 John Ford, the blagger? You wouldn't use John Ford... 113 00:05:18,749 --> 00:05:22,448 Er, they're saying it's in relation to our investigation of Monsanto. 114 00:05:22,548 --> 00:05:24,648 I did use an intelligence firm. 115 00:05:24,748 --> 00:05:26,927 Limosis. 116 00:05:27,027 --> 00:05:31,307 It's possible they subcontracted to John Ford. 117 00:05:33,786 --> 00:05:36,026 Well, The Guardian isn't in trouble any more. 118 00:05:37,186 --> 00:05:38,886 I am. 119 00:05:38,986 --> 00:05:40,246 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) 120 00:05:40,346 --> 00:05:42,345 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 121 00:06:00,063 --> 00:06:01,722 John Ford. 122 00:06:01,822 --> 00:06:03,162 John Ford had had his hand 123 00:06:03,262 --> 00:06:05,882 in and out of Alastair Campbell's trash for years. 124 00:06:05,982 --> 00:06:07,981 But his real talent was for blagging. 125 00:06:08,661 --> 00:06:12,261 An ex-actor with style. He did all sorts to get all sorts. 126 00:06:12,901 --> 00:06:15,260 Gordon Brown's bank records for one. 127 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:19,980 And Alan may have hired him, which... 128 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:22,519 - Well... - (SNORING) 129 00:06:22,619 --> 00:06:25,739 The newspaper industry loves a bit of hypocrisy to expose. 130 00:06:27,219 --> 00:06:29,238 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC INTENSIFIES, STOPS) 131 00:06:29,338 --> 00:06:31,338 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 132 00:06:35,457 --> 00:06:37,457 Morning. 133 00:06:38,017 --> 00:06:40,257 Not the face you were hoping to wake up to? 134 00:06:41,976 --> 00:06:43,756 (GRUNTS) 135 00:06:43,856 --> 00:06:47,756 (CLICKS TONGUE) You know, I think the time has come to admit 136 00:06:47,856 --> 00:06:50,015 that John Ford isn't home. 137 00:06:51,375 --> 00:06:54,295 David Leigh, investigations editor at The Guardian. 138 00:06:54,975 --> 00:06:56,754 Also, Alan's brother-in-law. 139 00:06:56,854 --> 00:06:58,854 The Sunday Times have got him well hid. 140 00:06:59,174 --> 00:07:01,174 (GROANS, SNIFFS) 141 00:07:02,373 --> 00:07:04,413 I think we can give him another day. 142 00:07:06,693 --> 00:07:09,492 Perhaps we can get hold of Alan's paper trail? 143 00:07:10,092 --> 00:07:11,672 Get inside the intelligence firm. 144 00:07:11,772 --> 00:07:13,152 Start again. 145 00:07:13,252 --> 00:07:14,872 It'll take too long, they'll publish before... 146 00:07:14,972 --> 00:07:17,831 Then Alan will take a hit and we hope he survives it. 147 00:07:17,931 --> 00:07:19,931 But sitting here, Nick... 148 00:07:21,611 --> 00:07:23,610 It's getting us nowhere. 149 00:07:24,690 --> 00:07:26,470 This is not all my fault. 150 00:07:26,570 --> 00:07:28,570 Murdoch's an eel. 151 00:07:29,450 --> 00:07:30,709 He's entirely relentless. 152 00:07:30,809 --> 00:07:32,809 I'm not picking a fight with Murdoch. 153 00:07:33,289 --> 00:07:34,669 No. 154 00:07:34,769 --> 00:07:37,548 You're picking a fight with our entire industry. 155 00:07:37,648 --> 00:07:39,988 - (MOBILE VIBRATING) - Don't answer it. 156 00:07:40,088 --> 00:07:42,148 No, do. Do. Don't let them leave a voicemail. 157 00:07:42,248 --> 00:07:44,247 - It's an email. - Oh. 158 00:07:44,847 --> 00:07:47,727 Hmm. A statement from the Crown Prosecution Service. 159 00:07:51,606 --> 00:07:54,066 The CPS says, "It's not appropriate 160 00:07:54,166 --> 00:07:56,306 "to re-open a case or revisit the decision." 161 00:07:56,406 --> 00:08:00,005 Ugh! They're not backing us. 162 00:08:01,685 --> 00:08:03,664 Who was it that John Yates said about the case... 163 00:08:03,764 --> 00:08:06,104 Something about, uh, a small number of, uh... 164 00:08:06,204 --> 00:08:07,704 Of hacks, yeah. 165 00:08:07,804 --> 00:08:10,104 Our inquiries showed that they only use the tactic 166 00:08:10,204 --> 00:08:12,403 against a far smaller number of individuals. 167 00:08:13,283 --> 00:08:15,303 Page two. 168 00:08:15,403 --> 00:08:16,703 "Searched Mulcaire's office, 169 00:08:16,803 --> 00:08:20,782 "seized material which indicated some non-royal cases had been hacked." 170 00:08:20,882 --> 00:08:23,202 - Yup. - "The DPP states, 171 00:08:24,081 --> 00:08:26,941 "only a select sample of these could be taken to court 172 00:08:27,041 --> 00:08:32,720 "because any other approach might have made the case unmanageable." 173 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,860 Unmanageable? That suggests a lot of hacking. 174 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,959 - By more than one reporter. - Yeah. 175 00:08:38,639 --> 00:08:40,639 Almost an admission of such. 176 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:44,658 I'll write, you call. 177 00:08:44,758 --> 00:08:46,498 - Got it. - (PHONE BEEPING) 178 00:08:46,598 --> 00:08:48,418 That means you need to leave the car. 179 00:08:48,518 --> 00:08:50,518 Got it. Yeah. 180 00:08:52,717 --> 00:08:55,137 - This is Nick Davies of The Guardian. - MAN: Hi there. 181 00:08:55,237 --> 00:08:56,817 I need to speak to somebody at the CPS 182 00:08:56,917 --> 00:08:58,976 about the Glenn Mulcaire prosecution. 183 00:08:59,076 --> 00:09:01,376 MAN: Uh, yes. Yes, but specifically, how can I help? 184 00:09:01,476 --> 00:09:02,896 Specifically? 185 00:09:02,996 --> 00:09:04,736 I want to know what the police passed up 186 00:09:04,836 --> 00:09:07,935 and you declined to prosecute because any other approach 187 00:09:08,035 --> 00:09:10,375 would have been "unmanageable". 188 00:09:10,475 --> 00:09:11,894 - MAN: Okay. - I have information, 189 00:09:11,994 --> 00:09:14,334 particularly an email that I want to discuss. 190 00:09:14,434 --> 00:09:17,774 MAN: Uh, yes, sir. Um, can I put you on hold? 191 00:09:17,874 --> 00:09:19,933 Yes, I will hold. 192 00:09:20,033 --> 00:09:21,973 Never gonna give you up 193 00:09:22,073 --> 00:09:24,073 - Never gonna let you down - Really? 194 00:09:25,792 --> 00:09:26,932 The plot thickens. 195 00:09:27,032 --> 00:09:28,852 The Neville email was never flagged. 196 00:09:28,952 --> 00:09:30,992 The Met never flagged it to the CPS. 197 00:09:31,512 --> 00:09:33,511 Why not? 198 00:09:34,631 --> 00:09:36,491 I can't give this up. It's too important. 199 00:09:36,591 --> 00:09:38,131 No, I know. 200 00:09:38,231 --> 00:09:40,230 I won't let it hurt Alan. 201 00:09:41,830 --> 00:09:44,530 I'm not entirely sure you can make that promise. 202 00:09:44,630 --> 00:09:46,629 (SOMBRE MUSIC PLAYING) 203 00:09:47,589 --> 00:09:49,589 (DAVID GRUNTS) 204 00:09:51,949 --> 00:09:53,948 (BELL TOLLING) 205 00:10:04,987 --> 00:10:07,126 - Hi. - Hi. 206 00:10:07,226 --> 00:10:09,306 - Made you a sandwich. - Oh, cheers. 207 00:10:12,946 --> 00:10:14,885 You look rough. 208 00:10:14,985 --> 00:10:16,985 Yeah, and you look beautiful. 209 00:10:17,465 --> 00:10:19,465 I'm not sleeping. 210 00:10:19,785 --> 00:10:21,644 No, neither am I. 211 00:10:21,744 --> 00:10:23,604 - Daniel Morgan. - Anything I can... 212 00:10:23,704 --> 00:10:25,704 I can't tell you anything. You know that. 213 00:10:26,384 --> 00:10:28,383 - Is there something to tell... - No. 214 00:10:29,143 --> 00:10:30,923 Christ. Salmon and cream cheese, eh? 215 00:10:31,023 --> 00:10:32,763 - Scottish salmon. - (CHUCKLES) 216 00:10:32,863 --> 00:10:36,642 And I need some non-Daniel Morgan advice. 217 00:10:36,742 --> 00:10:38,922 What, you're saying poncy sandwiches don't come free? 218 00:10:39,022 --> 00:10:41,001 Ah. 219 00:10:41,101 --> 00:10:45,341 Why would the Met not flag evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service? 220 00:10:46,741 --> 00:10:48,480 CPS don't get everything. 221 00:10:48,580 --> 00:10:51,360 And everything it does get has to pass the relevance test, right? 222 00:10:51,460 --> 00:10:53,460 - Correct. - Okay. 223 00:10:55,379 --> 00:10:57,359 So, is this relevant? 224 00:10:57,459 --> 00:10:59,159 They're transcripts for Neville Thurlbeck, 225 00:10:59,259 --> 00:11:01,258 Chief Reporter at the News of the Word. 226 00:11:04,418 --> 00:11:05,758 And they didn't get shown this? 227 00:11:05,858 --> 00:11:07,857 They put it through as "unused material." 228 00:11:08,857 --> 00:11:10,857 Shit. 229 00:11:11,857 --> 00:11:13,857 Tell me. What is happening in the Met? 230 00:11:15,496 --> 00:11:16,916 Well, there's obviously a lot I can't say. 231 00:11:17,016 --> 00:11:18,996 But what I can say, 232 00:11:19,096 --> 00:11:21,096 is that ever since Stephen Lawrence, 233 00:11:21,415 --> 00:11:23,415 the Met's have made it their job to... 234 00:11:24,015 --> 00:11:24,995 Well, Dick Fedorcio, 235 00:11:25,095 --> 00:11:26,835 - director of communications. - Yeah, I've met him. 236 00:11:26,935 --> 00:11:29,954 Well, he currently sits on the Met's senior management team. 237 00:11:30,054 --> 00:11:32,554 Our comms chief, not a police officer. 238 00:11:32,654 --> 00:11:35,173 And he has direct impact on operational decisions. 239 00:11:36,173 --> 00:11:38,173 Good press matters that much? 240 00:11:39,053 --> 00:11:42,272 These meetings are dominated by how to get the cases 241 00:11:42,372 --> 00:11:44,232 that are going well in the front of the tabloids 242 00:11:44,332 --> 00:11:46,412 and the cases that are not going so well, off them. 243 00:11:47,572 --> 00:11:49,571 By order of the Commissioner, 244 00:11:49,891 --> 00:11:51,951 Dick will wine and dine the crime journalists. 245 00:11:52,051 --> 00:11:54,051 And guess who he meets the most? 246 00:11:54,851 --> 00:11:56,850 News of the World and The Sun. 247 00:11:57,490 --> 00:11:59,490 But not flagging this to the CPS? 248 00:12:00,050 --> 00:12:01,550 It's bad. Very bad. 249 00:12:01,650 --> 00:12:03,029 Look, will you stop doing that? You're making me jumpy. 250 00:12:03,129 --> 00:12:04,589 I think I'm being watched. 251 00:12:04,689 --> 00:12:07,109 - What, you have anything to hide? - You, for one thing. 252 00:12:07,209 --> 00:12:10,088 Hey, I'm just meeting a pal for a poncy sandwich. 253 00:12:11,328 --> 00:12:15,028 Glenn Mulcaire did a minimum 20,000 hours' work 254 00:12:15,128 --> 00:12:17,307 for the News of the World. 255 00:12:17,407 --> 00:12:19,407 That's on record. It's an industrial level of work. 256 00:12:20,247 --> 00:12:23,346 Which means he worked for far more journalists than Clive Goodman. 257 00:12:23,446 --> 00:12:25,266 So, Neville Thurlbeck appears to be one other, 258 00:12:25,366 --> 00:12:27,646 but was he feeding all of them? 259 00:12:28,926 --> 00:12:30,925 Nick, just be careful, okay? 260 00:12:31,445 --> 00:12:34,625 See, these people are not to be fucked with. 261 00:12:34,725 --> 00:12:36,724 (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) 262 00:12:40,604 --> 00:12:43,363 - (MOBILE RINGING) - (FRIDGE DOOR OPENING, CLOSING) 263 00:12:44,923 --> 00:12:46,623 There you go. 264 00:12:46,723 --> 00:12:48,023 Charlotte Harris. 265 00:12:48,123 --> 00:12:49,662 NICK: Nick Davies. 266 00:12:49,762 --> 00:12:50,742 Right. 267 00:12:50,842 --> 00:12:52,942 You sound delighted to hear from me. 268 00:12:53,042 --> 00:12:55,342 CHARLOTTE: Delighted and not surprised. 269 00:12:55,442 --> 00:12:57,021 How'd you get this number? Did you blag it? 270 00:12:57,121 --> 00:12:58,261 Your office gave it to me. 271 00:12:58,361 --> 00:13:00,301 I can be very polite and surprisingly charming. 272 00:13:00,401 --> 00:13:02,221 If you're calling about the CPS enhancement, 273 00:13:02,321 --> 00:13:04,380 I'm as pissed off as you are, but there's nothing I can do. 274 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,300 Look, the CPS have a file on Glenn Mulcaire. 275 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:08,380 You must know someone who... 276 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,019 Nick, I don't work for you and I've got to go. 277 00:13:10,119 --> 00:13:11,459 Good luck and goodbye. 278 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,559 - (DISCONNECTS) - Uh, right. Okay. 279 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:20,378 Glenn Mulcaire. Chief phone hacker for the News of the World. 280 00:13:20,478 --> 00:13:22,538 Given six months' jail time for the Clive Goodman case 281 00:13:22,638 --> 00:13:24,957 but now, he's out and about. 282 00:13:25,717 --> 00:13:27,717 And sniffing about. 283 00:13:28,677 --> 00:13:30,656 (BANGING) 284 00:13:30,756 --> 00:13:32,756 (DOOR OPENING) 285 00:13:38,715 --> 00:13:40,715 Mr Mulcaire? Nick Davies. 286 00:13:41,915 --> 00:13:43,295 I saw you. 287 00:13:43,395 --> 00:13:45,394 Maroon Saab by the park. 288 00:13:46,554 --> 00:13:48,814 Think I'd do what I do without being good at it? 289 00:13:48,914 --> 00:13:51,453 I don't know if you've been reading my pieces in The Guardian. 290 00:13:51,553 --> 00:13:53,293 You taping this? 291 00:13:53,393 --> 00:13:56,153 No. I wouldn't do that without your consent, Mr Mulcaire. 292 00:13:56,993 --> 00:13:58,992 It's Glenn. 293 00:13:59,592 --> 00:14:00,972 So, who else are you talking to, Nick? 294 00:14:01,072 --> 00:14:02,532 Got anyone good in the police? 295 00:14:02,632 --> 00:14:04,571 Who's your snout at the screws? 296 00:14:04,671 --> 00:14:06,131 Who are you still talking to at that paper? 297 00:14:06,231 --> 00:14:08,231 (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) You're funny. 298 00:14:09,391 --> 00:14:10,371 Why are you here? 299 00:14:10,471 --> 00:14:12,670 Did you ever work for Neville Thurlbeck? 300 00:14:13,190 --> 00:14:14,690 Oh, right. 301 00:14:14,790 --> 00:14:15,770 Let me save you some time... 302 00:14:15,870 --> 00:14:17,870 I have an email written to you, 303 00:14:18,429 --> 00:14:20,529 uh, which is marked for Neville 304 00:14:20,629 --> 00:14:23,409 from Ross Hindley and it contains transcripts of 35... 305 00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:25,408 Everything I did came out in court. 306 00:14:25,508 --> 00:14:28,068 - Anything more, I didn't do. - They cut you off, right? 307 00:14:28,988 --> 00:14:31,907 You do know you're still open to future charges? 308 00:14:33,307 --> 00:14:35,287 Get out now before the whole thing collapses on you. 309 00:14:35,387 --> 00:14:37,487 You know I've got five kids in there. 310 00:14:37,587 --> 00:14:39,246 And you come to my house and what, threaten me? 311 00:14:39,346 --> 00:14:40,326 I wasn't threatening you. 312 00:14:40,426 --> 00:14:41,966 Have you any idea what you're dealing with here? 313 00:14:42,066 --> 00:14:43,686 (CHUCKLES) 314 00:14:43,786 --> 00:14:47,405 Look, you do yours and I'll do mine, yeah? 315 00:14:47,505 --> 00:14:48,485 I wasn't threatening you. 316 00:14:48,585 --> 00:14:51,065 - I was telling you they won't help. - (DOOR SLAMS) 317 00:14:55,424 --> 00:14:57,684 NICK: Okay, so, there is a lie happening here. 318 00:14:57,784 --> 00:15:01,443 The CPS memo shows this stretches right inside News International. 319 00:15:01,543 --> 00:15:03,043 Glenn Mulcaire essentially confirmed it. 320 00:15:03,143 --> 00:15:04,283 He didn't confirm it. 321 00:15:04,383 --> 00:15:06,482 I'm digging in. In the meantime, I'd like to publish 322 00:15:06,582 --> 00:15:09,522 "Are Scotland Yard Scared of Rupert Murdoch?" 323 00:15:09,622 --> 00:15:11,282 Saying what? 324 00:15:11,382 --> 00:15:15,921 Saying they buried evidence which should have been passed to the CPS. 325 00:15:16,021 --> 00:15:17,881 - Poking the bear. - That's what we do? Poke the bear. 326 00:15:17,981 --> 00:15:19,321 - No. - Can we just take a minute? 327 00:15:19,421 --> 00:15:21,680 - What's your angle here? - Well, I have two lines of attack. 328 00:15:21,780 --> 00:15:24,800 One, to reveal who was on their shopping list. I need names. 329 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:28,799 Much more of them. They were far more than three royals, five non-royals. 330 00:15:28,899 --> 00:15:29,898 I want to know who signed off on these names. 331 00:15:29,899 --> 00:15:31,719 I need proof it was more than Clive Goodman. 332 00:15:31,819 --> 00:15:32,759 How will you get that proof? 333 00:15:32,859 --> 00:15:33,998 My second line of attack 334 00:15:34,098 --> 00:15:35,878 - is to get inside the police. - A mistake. 335 00:15:35,978 --> 00:15:39,318 To discover why this evidence wasn't flagged to the CPS. 336 00:15:39,418 --> 00:15:41,837 What criminality was ignored and why? 337 00:15:41,937 --> 00:15:42,877 John Yates called me 338 00:15:42,977 --> 00:15:44,237 and said we've got the wrong end of the stick 339 00:15:44,337 --> 00:15:46,277 - with the police in all of this. - We're on the wrong end of the stick? 340 00:15:46,377 --> 00:15:48,696 Yes. Do you not think that's possible? 341 00:15:49,296 --> 00:15:51,956 Look, are we sure this is sensible? 342 00:15:52,056 --> 00:15:53,955 We're risking our relationship with the police 343 00:15:54,055 --> 00:15:55,955 and with good journalists from other newspapers. 344 00:15:56,055 --> 00:15:57,835 Why? To root out a few bad apples. 345 00:15:57,935 --> 00:15:59,955 - It doesn't seem... - Bad apples, wrong sticks? 346 00:16:00,055 --> 00:16:01,714 - (BLOWS RASPBERRY) - I agree with Nick. 347 00:16:01,814 --> 00:16:03,914 The Neville email is extraordinary. 348 00:16:04,014 --> 00:16:06,794 And the fact that they didn't flag it to the CPS, 349 00:16:06,894 --> 00:16:08,513 more extraordinary still. 350 00:16:08,613 --> 00:16:11,473 A chief reporter seems to have been involved in hacking. 351 00:16:11,573 --> 00:16:13,753 That didn't warrant an investigation? 352 00:16:13,853 --> 00:16:15,632 There are potentially thousands of victims, 353 00:16:15,732 --> 00:16:17,472 but the Met is only claiming a small number. 354 00:16:17,572 --> 00:16:19,472 What do you think, Gill? 355 00:16:19,572 --> 00:16:20,991 For a public interest defence, 356 00:16:21,091 --> 00:16:23,091 you need to be absolutely sure of your facts. 357 00:16:23,651 --> 00:16:25,111 Right now, this feels a bit small. 358 00:16:25,211 --> 00:16:26,911 Well, I have to say I agree. 359 00:16:27,011 --> 00:16:29,370 Let's pause on the Scotland Yard article. 360 00:16:30,130 --> 00:16:32,710 - Let's let the PCC... - Press Complaints Commission. 361 00:16:32,810 --> 00:16:35,009 The PCC will settle all of this down. 362 00:16:35,769 --> 00:16:38,449 They'll back us and it will all be easier. 363 00:16:39,769 --> 00:16:40,829 What else have we got? 364 00:16:40,929 --> 00:16:43,468 Something other than when's Gordon Brown 365 00:16:43,568 --> 00:16:45,568 going to call this next damn election? 366 00:16:46,208 --> 00:16:48,927 DAVID: Listen, Alan's nervous, but he's right. 367 00:16:49,487 --> 00:16:53,427 You need more, but the angles you're pursuing, also right. 368 00:16:53,527 --> 00:16:55,906 Who says the PCC are gonna back us? 369 00:16:56,006 --> 00:16:57,146 What, you don't think they will? 370 00:16:57,246 --> 00:16:59,946 Why is Alan waiting for them? You know we have to keep pushing. 371 00:17:00,046 --> 00:17:01,466 It's kill or be killed. We can't wait. 372 00:17:01,566 --> 00:17:04,105 Yes. The Sunday Times are getting ready to publish 373 00:17:04,205 --> 00:17:06,205 on John Ford and Alan. 374 00:17:06,925 --> 00:17:08,664 - Right. - Hmm. 375 00:17:08,764 --> 00:17:10,764 Have Limosis come back with any more? 376 00:17:11,164 --> 00:17:13,504 Nothing that gives us categorical proof. 377 00:17:13,604 --> 00:17:15,343 He's in trouble. 378 00:17:15,443 --> 00:17:17,143 Just give him time. 379 00:17:17,243 --> 00:17:18,823 They're accusing him of being a hypocrite. 380 00:17:18,923 --> 00:17:22,322 We have hypocrisy on hypocrisy. The world's gone mad. 381 00:17:23,082 --> 00:17:25,082 DAVID: Look, Nick. 382 00:17:25,962 --> 00:17:26,942 Nick. 383 00:17:27,042 --> 00:17:29,041 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 384 00:17:33,561 --> 00:17:34,901 No, Nick. Nick, Nick. 385 00:17:35,001 --> 00:17:37,480 - Whatever you're doing, Nick, stop. - (DIALLING) 386 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,940 (PHONE RINGING) 387 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,180 WOMAN: Hello? 388 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,019 Hi, this is Nick Davies of The Guardian. 389 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,099 Can I have The Sunday Times managing editor's office? 390 00:17:45,199 --> 00:17:47,199 (WHISPERING) I mean it, Nick. 391 00:17:49,678 --> 00:17:50,658 WOMAN: Hello? 392 00:17:50,758 --> 00:17:52,538 Hi, this is Nick Davies of The Guardian. 393 00:17:52,638 --> 00:17:54,418 - WOMAN: All right. - Yeah. 394 00:17:54,518 --> 00:17:57,657 I'd like confirmation, on the record, of A, 395 00:17:57,757 --> 00:18:00,017 how many times you've made payments to John Ford 396 00:18:00,117 --> 00:18:02,457 to blag into confidential databases. 397 00:18:02,557 --> 00:18:06,336 And B, the period of time over which these payments have been made. 398 00:18:06,436 --> 00:18:07,936 WOMAN: Okay. We'll need to investigate. 399 00:18:08,036 --> 00:18:09,895 Of course. You'll need to do some investigation. 400 00:18:09,995 --> 00:18:13,035 You just call me back whenever you've had the chance to do so, yeah? 401 00:18:14,155 --> 00:18:15,655 WOMAN: Right. 402 00:18:15,755 --> 00:18:17,754 Great, thanks. Bye-bye. 403 00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:29,273 - (GLENN SIGHS) - Hi. 404 00:18:29,953 --> 00:18:31,532 Peace offering. 405 00:18:31,632 --> 00:18:33,632 I don't drink. 406 00:18:34,232 --> 00:18:36,752 Can I get you something softer? A Mars bar? 407 00:18:37,311 --> 00:18:40,211 (CHUCKLES) Sure, I'd tell you everything I know for a Mars bar. 408 00:18:40,311 --> 00:18:42,091 I wasn't... I'm not threatening you. 409 00:18:42,191 --> 00:18:44,490 No, no. You're Willy Wonka. Chocolate for everyone. 410 00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:45,890 (LAUGHS) 411 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:48,430 I want to know your side of the story. 412 00:18:49,390 --> 00:18:50,689 How'd you find me here? 413 00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:51,809 You're on the club's website. 414 00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:55,289 You won the big break competition here two years ago. Congratulations. 415 00:18:55,389 --> 00:18:58,368 In court transcripts, it says that you worked 416 00:18:58,468 --> 00:19:00,128 for News of the World for 70 hours a week. 417 00:19:00,228 --> 00:19:01,248 (SIGHS) Here we go. 418 00:19:01,348 --> 00:19:03,668 Over six years, that's over 20,000 hours. 419 00:19:05,267 --> 00:19:06,687 What were you doing for them during that time? 420 00:19:06,787 --> 00:19:08,887 I'm a PI. I did PI work. 421 00:19:08,987 --> 00:19:10,607 For who? 422 00:19:10,707 --> 00:19:12,126 Because it wasn't just Clive Goodman. 423 00:19:12,226 --> 00:19:14,886 Oh, oh, oh. Naming names? That's two Mars bars at least. 424 00:19:14,986 --> 00:19:18,045 I know you aren't to blame for all this. 425 00:19:18,145 --> 00:19:19,965 Your name is in the mud already. 426 00:19:20,065 --> 00:19:21,885 If you explain exactly what you did 427 00:19:21,985 --> 00:19:23,285 and who you were working for... 428 00:19:23,385 --> 00:19:24,884 Even if I wanted to tell you who, 429 00:19:24,984 --> 00:19:27,244 the police have got all my notebooks and my computers 430 00:19:27,344 --> 00:19:28,724 and everything, so. 431 00:19:28,824 --> 00:19:31,364 Notebooks? What's in those? 432 00:19:31,464 --> 00:19:34,203 - (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) - (SIGHS) Fuck you. 433 00:19:34,303 --> 00:19:36,443 It was in the CPS report that your office was searched 434 00:19:36,543 --> 00:19:38,243 and material was seized but I didn't know there were notebooks. 435 00:19:38,343 --> 00:19:40,682 You find me a PI who doesn't write things down. 436 00:19:40,782 --> 00:19:42,002 Yeah, well, what's in them? 437 00:19:42,102 --> 00:19:44,102 Lines of inquiry? 438 00:19:44,582 --> 00:19:45,761 Names of the people you were hacking... 439 00:19:45,861 --> 00:19:47,861 Sorry, doing PI work on? 440 00:19:48,861 --> 00:19:50,481 And the names of who you were doing them for. 441 00:19:50,581 --> 00:19:51,960 (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) 442 00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:54,060 Names of the News of the World journalists. 443 00:19:54,540 --> 00:19:56,080 Go away. 444 00:19:56,180 --> 00:19:58,200 And take your cheap beer with you. 445 00:19:58,300 --> 00:19:59,959 I do not think... 446 00:20:00,059 --> 00:20:03,599 Genuinely, really do not think that you should be the fall guy here. 447 00:20:03,699 --> 00:20:06,698 Yeah, well, be careful that you're not a fall guy too. 448 00:20:07,218 --> 00:20:08,518 Eh, champ? 449 00:20:08,618 --> 00:20:10,658 Now, please fuck off. 450 00:20:12,058 --> 00:20:13,917 Let me do the one thing I still enjoy. 451 00:20:14,017 --> 00:20:16,077 All right. 452 00:20:16,177 --> 00:20:18,177 Good luck. 453 00:20:20,216 --> 00:20:22,216 (TENSE MUSIC BUILDS) 454 00:20:23,576 --> 00:20:24,876 NICK: Mulcaire's given me an idea. 455 00:20:24,976 --> 00:20:27,195 CHARLOTTE: Oh, good. All he's given me is a headache. 456 00:20:27,295 --> 00:20:29,475 We need to get inside the court system. 457 00:20:29,575 --> 00:20:31,275 We need to get more information released. 458 00:20:31,375 --> 00:20:32,355 CHARLOTTE: Sorry? 459 00:20:32,455 --> 00:20:34,234 They won't release documents to me. 460 00:20:34,334 --> 00:20:35,954 They will if they're compelled to by a judge. 461 00:20:36,054 --> 00:20:38,054 CHARLOTTE: Hang on. Can you calm down? 462 00:20:39,254 --> 00:20:41,073 - What? - Children. 463 00:20:41,173 --> 00:20:42,793 You are aware it's the weekend? 464 00:20:42,893 --> 00:20:45,673 Oh, right. The police have Mulcaire's notebooks. 465 00:20:45,773 --> 00:20:47,032 If we can get them into the public eye, 466 00:20:47,132 --> 00:20:49,112 we'll see who hired who, 467 00:20:49,212 --> 00:20:50,952 how high this goes, who was being hacked. 468 00:20:51,052 --> 00:20:53,032 I need... We need compelled evidence. 469 00:20:53,132 --> 00:20:54,271 (KIDS CHATTERING) 470 00:20:54,371 --> 00:20:56,191 You swapped between "I need" and "We need" 471 00:20:56,291 --> 00:20:57,791 in the same sentence. Do you know that? 472 00:20:57,891 --> 00:20:59,351 I know you've other clients. 473 00:20:59,451 --> 00:21:01,390 I know you're building several cases here. 474 00:21:01,490 --> 00:21:03,490 - Help me, it'll help you, too. - (KIDS LAUGHING) 475 00:21:05,010 --> 00:21:05,990 We don't work together, Nick. 476 00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:10,149 Well, of course we don't. But we do have the same cause. 477 00:21:10,249 --> 00:21:12,029 I can't get inside the notebooks 478 00:21:12,129 --> 00:21:14,148 because I'm not mentioned in the notebooks. 479 00:21:14,248 --> 00:21:16,988 But you find a client who is in there 480 00:21:17,088 --> 00:21:18,988 who has the bravery to take it to court, 481 00:21:19,088 --> 00:21:23,507 suddenly, you can see how much this opens up. 482 00:21:23,607 --> 00:21:25,767 Yeah. (INHALES SHARPLY) 483 00:21:27,207 --> 00:21:29,206 Let me, um... 484 00:21:29,886 --> 00:21:32,026 There might be somebody you could talk to. 485 00:21:32,126 --> 00:21:34,305 Well, let me know as soon as you can, okay? 486 00:21:34,405 --> 00:21:35,945 Yes, I heard you. I'm on it. 487 00:21:36,045 --> 00:21:38,045 Okay, thanks. Bye. 488 00:21:45,844 --> 00:21:47,743 There is an art to fear. 489 00:21:47,843 --> 00:21:49,663 An art the News of the World and The Sun 490 00:21:49,763 --> 00:21:52,143 and all those nasty buggers mastered a long time ago. 491 00:21:52,243 --> 00:21:53,903 They call it monstering. 492 00:21:54,003 --> 00:21:56,182 Grievous emotional harm. 493 00:21:56,282 --> 00:21:59,282 The kind of injury from which some victims simply never recover. 494 00:22:00,362 --> 00:22:03,341 A monstering is intended to destroy the victim involved 495 00:22:03,441 --> 00:22:04,821 and it is intended to make sure 496 00:22:04,921 --> 00:22:07,201 that no one stands up to them ever again. 497 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,100 Take former Labour government minister, Clare Short. 498 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,540 She criticised The Sun's use of topless women to sell the paper. 499 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,859 She found herself denounced to millions as... 500 00:22:16,959 --> 00:22:18,659 Killjoy Clare. 501 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:20,499 Short of looks. 502 00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:21,978 Short on brains. 503 00:22:22,078 --> 00:22:24,658 NICK: The paper offered free car stickers, 504 00:22:24,758 --> 00:22:26,898 sent page three models round to her home. 505 00:22:26,998 --> 00:22:29,097 Ran a beauty contest to ask their readers 506 00:22:29,197 --> 00:22:32,937 whether they would prefer to see her face or the back of a bus. 507 00:22:33,037 --> 00:22:35,037 (PHOTOGRAPHERS CLAMOURING) 508 00:22:35,596 --> 00:22:37,596 (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) 509 00:22:37,916 --> 00:22:40,216 The News of the World ran two bogus stories 510 00:22:40,316 --> 00:22:42,695 suggesting Clare was involved in pornography. 511 00:22:42,795 --> 00:22:46,175 Tried to buy old photographs of her as a 20 year-old in a nightdress. 512 00:22:46,275 --> 00:22:48,455 And published a smear story which attempted to link her 513 00:22:48,555 --> 00:22:50,734 - to a West Indian gangster. - (GUN COCKS) 514 00:22:50,834 --> 00:22:52,874 - (GUN FIRING) - NICK: They monstered her. 515 00:22:53,834 --> 00:22:55,834 It was horrible. 516 00:22:57,273 --> 00:23:00,733 In his diary, Alastair Campbell recalls the ferocious monstering 517 00:23:00,833 --> 00:23:02,932 which was given to the then Transport Secretary, 518 00:23:03,032 --> 00:23:05,192 Stephen Byers in 2002. 519 00:23:05,752 --> 00:23:07,752 It continued even after he resigned. 520 00:23:08,232 --> 00:23:09,491 It's like they get a corpse 521 00:23:09,591 --> 00:23:12,131 but then they're disappointed there's nothing left to kill. 522 00:23:12,231 --> 00:23:14,131 So, they try and kill the dead body, too. 523 00:23:14,231 --> 00:23:17,550 So, standing up to it... Standing up to that paper takes guts. 524 00:23:19,710 --> 00:23:21,710 And possibly a little insanity. 525 00:23:22,150 --> 00:23:24,149 Max, it's an honour. 526 00:23:24,469 --> 00:23:26,549 An honour? Is that right? 527 00:23:27,949 --> 00:23:29,049 Max Clifford. 528 00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:30,928 King of the kiss and tell. 529 00:23:31,028 --> 00:23:33,008 His job was bargaining with the tabloids 530 00:23:33,108 --> 00:23:35,448 to get the best headlines and the most money 531 00:23:35,548 --> 00:23:36,687 for his string of clients. 532 00:23:36,787 --> 00:23:38,787 Didn't need to be true, just needed to sell. 533 00:23:40,187 --> 00:23:42,467 Do you remember "Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster"? 534 00:23:43,187 --> 00:23:45,286 He wrote that headline. 535 00:23:45,386 --> 00:23:48,266 But maybe it takes a tabloid man to kill the tabloids. 536 00:23:49,346 --> 00:23:51,245 I'm sincerely grateful for you being here. 537 00:23:51,345 --> 00:23:53,525 Charlotte explained your problem. 538 00:23:53,625 --> 00:23:56,145 I have a feeling that our interests might align on this. 539 00:23:56,705 --> 00:23:58,704 They hacked me. That's on record. 540 00:23:59,584 --> 00:24:01,764 And I want to find out who signed off on it. 541 00:24:01,864 --> 00:24:05,463 - Well, that's extremely important. - We hope it will be important. 542 00:24:06,143 --> 00:24:09,403 We've had our first disclosure. We made an application to the courts. 543 00:24:09,503 --> 00:24:12,062 This is everything Mulcaire wrote about Max. 544 00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:17,622 NICK: Hmm. 545 00:24:21,101 --> 00:24:22,281 They've redacted everything. 546 00:24:22,381 --> 00:24:24,241 In particular, anything which might identify 547 00:24:24,341 --> 00:24:26,740 the News of the World journalists who might have commissioned the hacking. 548 00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:29,680 I'm going back to court. We'll get more. 549 00:24:29,780 --> 00:24:32,239 Question. When they disclosed Gordon Taylor's paperwork, 550 00:24:32,339 --> 00:24:33,599 did they redact anything? 551 00:24:33,699 --> 00:24:35,639 - No. - Why start now? 552 00:24:35,739 --> 00:24:36,919 Because it implicates them. 553 00:24:37,019 --> 00:24:39,018 So did Gordon Taylor. 554 00:24:39,898 --> 00:24:43,498 They're working out how to make themselves impenetrable. 555 00:24:44,897 --> 00:24:46,797 They're watching us. 556 00:24:46,897 --> 00:24:49,077 You do know what you're taking on? 557 00:24:49,177 --> 00:24:51,037 Do you know who you're talking to? 558 00:24:51,137 --> 00:24:53,136 I believe Rebekah Brooks is your friend. 559 00:24:53,576 --> 00:24:55,436 Didn't you help her when she was accused of assault? 560 00:24:55,536 --> 00:24:57,656 I help her. But not in that case. 561 00:24:58,575 --> 00:25:00,935 I have my loyalties and I have beliefs. 562 00:25:02,055 --> 00:25:03,795 I mean, I know Andy Coulson. 563 00:25:03,895 --> 00:25:05,934 But him, sitting next to the Prime Minister, 564 00:25:06,894 --> 00:25:08,674 that's wrong in every way. 565 00:25:08,774 --> 00:25:09,754 All the same... 566 00:25:09,854 --> 00:25:12,673 I've spent my entire life inside that machine. 567 00:25:12,773 --> 00:25:15,093 I know what their guns smell like. 568 00:25:15,893 --> 00:25:17,433 Do you? 569 00:25:17,533 --> 00:25:19,532 We need you, Max. 570 00:25:19,972 --> 00:25:22,452 Christ. If I'm your best hope, 571 00:25:23,252 --> 00:25:25,252 you're fucked. 572 00:25:29,411 --> 00:25:31,551 - SHERIDAN: You look tired. - (DOOR CLOSES) 573 00:25:31,651 --> 00:25:32,910 SHERIDAN: Are you sleeping? 574 00:25:33,010 --> 00:25:35,010 Oh, I've definitely slept better. 575 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:38,290 That, um, mortgage application, did that come back at all? 576 00:25:39,290 --> 00:25:40,789 No, but there was something else. 577 00:25:40,889 --> 00:25:42,749 Um... 578 00:25:42,849 --> 00:25:46,788 So, when I was picking the kids up, uh, someone I didn't recognise 579 00:25:46,888 --> 00:25:49,868 started talking to me about a Maggie someone. 580 00:25:49,968 --> 00:25:51,968 Now, that's an ex of yours, right? 581 00:25:52,688 --> 00:25:54,687 Oh, God. Did they see the kids? 582 00:25:55,367 --> 00:25:57,647 Yeah, I mean, they kept is casual, but... 583 00:25:58,607 --> 00:26:00,586 Shit. 584 00:26:00,686 --> 00:26:03,386 Maggie? God, they're desperately digging. 585 00:26:03,486 --> 00:26:06,266 I didn't like it, Nick. School gate. 586 00:26:06,366 --> 00:26:07,785 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 587 00:26:07,885 --> 00:26:09,625 Well, look, they approach you again, 588 00:26:09,725 --> 00:26:11,585 you take out your phone, you take a photograph. 589 00:26:11,685 --> 00:26:16,284 Okay. And promise me it's not going to get worse than this. 590 00:26:16,644 --> 00:26:19,384 Well, they'd be really stupid to do anything I could print. 591 00:26:19,484 --> 00:26:21,483 But I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. 592 00:26:24,403 --> 00:26:26,463 Will they find any skeletons? 593 00:26:26,563 --> 00:26:28,382 Well, if they look properly, they'll find a cemetery. 594 00:26:28,482 --> 00:26:30,022 - (KNOCKING) - This is a delivery. 595 00:26:30,122 --> 00:26:31,982 - You stay where you are. - No, no. Let me go. 596 00:26:32,082 --> 00:26:34,381 - All right. - Um, we'll... Let's talk later. 597 00:26:34,481 --> 00:26:35,461 Bye, kids. 598 00:26:35,561 --> 00:26:36,541 NICK: Bye-bye. KIDS: Bye. 599 00:26:36,641 --> 00:26:37,821 - (DOOR OPENS) - SHERIDAN: Alan. 600 00:26:37,921 --> 00:26:40,181 ALAN: Sheridan. SHERIDAN: Oh. 601 00:26:40,281 --> 00:26:41,620 (KISSING) How are you? 602 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,500 - I'm good. You all right? - Mmm. 603 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,260 SHERIDAN: I'm off. I'll leave you to it. 604 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:48,359 NICK: Hello. You coming in? 605 00:26:49,239 --> 00:26:50,219 No. 606 00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:52,099 I've got food on. There's enough. 607 00:26:52,199 --> 00:26:53,939 I have some, uh, good news actually. 608 00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:57,298 Max Clifford, of all people, taking them to court. 609 00:26:57,398 --> 00:26:59,058 John Ford thing's gone away. 610 00:26:59,158 --> 00:27:01,137 (CAR DEPARTING) 611 00:27:01,237 --> 00:27:03,237 Great. 612 00:27:03,557 --> 00:27:05,557 You think I don't know how? 613 00:27:06,437 --> 00:27:08,736 - Let's talk inside. - Nick Davies, 614 00:27:08,836 --> 00:27:11,776 always guaranteed to bring a flame thrower to a knife fight. 615 00:27:11,876 --> 00:27:13,776 It was the best thing to do. 616 00:27:13,876 --> 00:27:15,975 You didn't think to consult me beforehand? 617 00:27:16,075 --> 00:27:17,335 It's gone away, Alan. 618 00:27:17,435 --> 00:27:19,435 Because you, um... (SMACKS LIPS) 619 00:27:19,835 --> 00:27:22,574 What's the right word to use here? Provoked them. 620 00:27:22,674 --> 00:27:25,134 In Flat Earth news, I found substantial proof that 621 00:27:25,234 --> 00:27:26,494 The Sunday Times were using John Ford... 622 00:27:26,594 --> 00:27:28,833 - That doesn't matter. - Of course it matters. 623 00:27:29,593 --> 00:27:31,333 They were wrong to use John Ford. 624 00:27:31,433 --> 00:27:34,813 I was wrong if I did, inadvertently, use John Ford. 625 00:27:34,913 --> 00:27:36,692 And you were wrong to get involved 626 00:27:36,792 --> 00:27:39,912 in a way that wasn't asked for and wasn't warranted. 627 00:27:41,192 --> 00:27:43,171 I was trying to broker peace with John Witherow 628 00:27:43,271 --> 00:27:45,011 and you could have destabilised that, 629 00:27:45,111 --> 00:27:46,771 and starting a fight with the News of the World 630 00:27:46,871 --> 00:27:48,171 and The Sunday Times. 631 00:27:48,271 --> 00:27:50,290 I knew it would work. Are you denying that it did? 632 00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:52,530 No. But if you knew it would work, 633 00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:54,930 why didn't you make that call at the very beginning? 634 00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:56,569 Why did you try and find him? 635 00:27:56,669 --> 00:27:58,569 Spend a couple of nights in a car with David Leigh? 636 00:27:58,669 --> 00:28:00,409 Jesus Christ, Nick, 637 00:28:00,509 --> 00:28:02,368 you're such a... 638 00:28:02,468 --> 00:28:03,728 Hazard. 639 00:28:03,828 --> 00:28:06,048 I was just following what was... 640 00:28:06,148 --> 00:28:07,688 Alan, come on. Look... (CHUCKLES) 641 00:28:07,788 --> 00:28:09,287 We need to keep pushing. 642 00:28:09,387 --> 00:28:11,687 They will push back. We need to keep pushing. 643 00:28:11,787 --> 00:28:14,127 I get it, you're exhausted. 644 00:28:14,227 --> 00:28:15,966 You think you're taking on everyone by yourself, 645 00:28:16,066 --> 00:28:18,566 but it's not just you in the box on this one, Nick. 646 00:28:18,666 --> 00:28:20,666 It's all of us. 647 00:28:21,266 --> 00:28:23,665 And I can have a hand on your leg the whole time. 648 00:28:27,345 --> 00:28:28,765 (CAR DOOR CLOSES) 649 00:28:28,865 --> 00:28:30,864 - (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) - (ENGINE STARTING) 650 00:28:31,544 --> 00:28:33,544 (SIGHS) 651 00:28:41,663 --> 00:28:43,662 (SIGHS) 652 00:28:45,502 --> 00:28:47,502 WOMAN: What have you done? 653 00:28:49,982 --> 00:28:51,981 You stupid child. 654 00:28:55,941 --> 00:28:57,940 (MOBILE VIBRATING) 655 00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:03,160 Yeah? 656 00:29:03,260 --> 00:29:05,259 - DAVID: I guessed you'd be up. - Yup. 657 00:29:05,579 --> 00:29:08,019 DAVID: The Press Complaints Commission have come back. 658 00:29:08,819 --> 00:29:10,199 Not good news? 659 00:29:10,299 --> 00:29:12,678 DAVID: "The PCC has seen no new evidence 660 00:29:12,778 --> 00:29:15,358 "to suggest that the practice of the phone messaging tapping 661 00:29:15,458 --> 00:29:19,077 "was undertaken by other beyond Goodman and Mulcaire. 662 00:29:19,177 --> 00:29:21,837 "Or evidence that the News of the World executives 663 00:29:21,937 --> 00:29:24,416 "knew about Goodman or Mulcaire's activities." 664 00:29:24,936 --> 00:29:28,056 You were right, Alan was wrong. They haven't backed us either. 665 00:29:28,696 --> 00:29:29,676 Yeah, okay. 666 00:29:29,776 --> 00:29:30,796 DAVID: Sorry, Nick. 667 00:29:30,896 --> 00:29:32,275 Mmm. Thanks for calling. 668 00:29:32,375 --> 00:29:34,375 - Bye. - DAVID: Bye. 669 00:29:38,734 --> 00:29:40,774 (MOBILE VIBRATING) 670 00:29:42,174 --> 00:29:44,593 AUTOMATED VOICE: Please enter your four digit PIN. 671 00:29:44,693 --> 00:29:46,633 (MOBILE BEEPS) 672 00:29:46,733 --> 00:29:48,393 AUTOMATED VOICE: Welcome to your voicemail. 673 00:29:48,493 --> 00:29:51,033 You have four new messages. 674 00:29:51,133 --> 00:29:53,552 To listen to your messages, press one. 675 00:29:53,652 --> 00:29:55,272 - (BEEPS) - MAN: Uh, this is Carl. 676 00:29:55,372 --> 00:29:57,392 I'm here to read your meter. You said you'd be here... 677 00:29:57,492 --> 00:29:59,271 - (BEEPS) - AUTOMATED VOICE: Message deleted. 678 00:29:59,371 --> 00:30:00,751 Next message. 679 00:30:00,851 --> 00:30:02,271 CHARLOTTE: Hey, it's Charlotte. 680 00:30:02,371 --> 00:30:03,831 We've entered the amended claim for Max 681 00:30:03,931 --> 00:30:05,430 and we're waiting for the courts... 682 00:30:05,530 --> 00:30:07,030 - (BEEPS) - AUTOMATED VOICE: Message deleted. 683 00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:08,350 Next message. 684 00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:10,870 SHERIDAN: Nick, hi, it's me. Uh, another one. 685 00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:13,349 Not sure if it's anything, but, um, a girl you used... 686 00:30:13,449 --> 00:30:15,069 AUTOMATED VOICE: Message deleted. 687 00:30:15,169 --> 00:30:16,389 (GARBLED) Next message. 688 00:30:16,489 --> 00:30:18,708 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC BUILDS) 689 00:30:18,808 --> 00:30:21,808 - (FEEDBACK) - (ELECTRICAL WHIRRING) 690 00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:24,688 (DEEP BREATH, CLEARS THROAT) 691 00:30:32,566 --> 00:30:35,046 (DOOR CLOSES, LOCKS) 692 00:30:43,285 --> 00:30:45,285 (DOOR KNOCKER KNOCKS) 693 00:30:45,805 --> 00:30:47,804 (DOOR OPENS) 694 00:30:49,484 --> 00:30:51,484 Hello, Dad. 695 00:30:52,364 --> 00:30:53,783 You're looking thinner. 696 00:30:53,883 --> 00:30:56,023 You look good. 697 00:30:56,123 --> 00:30:58,123 Still a charmer. 698 00:31:02,202 --> 00:31:04,202 (CUPS RATTLING) 699 00:31:12,201 --> 00:31:13,540 NICK: I should be helping with that, Papa. 700 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,720 (CHUCKLES) Should. Would. Could. 701 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,940 No, you can't. 702 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,299 Anyway, these are the good hours. 703 00:31:21,399 --> 00:31:22,659 What's that mean? 704 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:27,738 Hips hurt, knees hurt, back hurts till 11:00 am. 705 00:31:27,838 --> 00:31:29,578 And then again, from 3:00 pm. 706 00:31:29,678 --> 00:31:31,838 - But 11:00 till 3:00... - Is a holiday. 707 00:31:32,478 --> 00:31:34,477 Never get old. 708 00:31:36,597 --> 00:31:39,857 So, you've got four good hours and you sleep for, presumably eight... 709 00:31:39,957 --> 00:31:42,116 Yes, but don't turn it into a maths puzzle. 710 00:31:42,756 --> 00:31:46,076 I can still do the crossword, however my hips feel. 711 00:31:46,676 --> 00:31:48,675 That's all that counts. (GROANS SOFTLY) 712 00:31:51,915 --> 00:31:53,915 The crossword in The Times. 713 00:31:54,554 --> 00:31:56,094 Should I stop buying The Times? 714 00:31:56,194 --> 00:31:58,194 Yes. 715 00:31:58,754 --> 00:32:00,754 - I won't. - I know. 716 00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:04,533 I've, um, been reading your pieces. 717 00:32:04,633 --> 00:32:06,373 You've managed to watch the Select Committee. 718 00:32:06,473 --> 00:32:08,092 I have no idea how you even did that. 719 00:32:08,192 --> 00:32:09,732 I'm not a dinosaur. 720 00:32:09,832 --> 00:32:11,832 I can use the internet. 721 00:32:14,511 --> 00:32:17,731 So, is it all as hard as it looks? 722 00:32:17,831 --> 00:32:19,831 It's fine. 723 00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:23,650 You've got nothing to prove. 724 00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:25,750 I'm not trying to prove anything. 725 00:32:34,509 --> 00:32:36,568 Your mother would have liked it. 726 00:32:36,668 --> 00:32:38,448 All this trouble. 727 00:32:38,548 --> 00:32:40,548 She always liked trouble. 728 00:32:41,628 --> 00:32:43,627 (SOMBRE MUSIC PLAYING) 729 00:32:46,707 --> 00:32:48,846 Just be safe with yourself. 730 00:32:48,946 --> 00:32:50,946 That's all I ask. 731 00:32:51,386 --> 00:32:53,386 Just be safe. 732 00:33:04,824 --> 00:33:06,564 Thank you. 733 00:33:06,664 --> 00:33:08,364 Fifth floor, yeah? 734 00:33:08,464 --> 00:33:11,143 - (PHONE RINGING) - (LIFT DINGS) 735 00:33:15,503 --> 00:33:17,502 (TICKING) 736 00:33:23,781 --> 00:33:25,781 (MUSIC CONTINUES) 737 00:33:26,821 --> 00:33:28,821 (DOOR OPENS, CREAKS) 738 00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:32,240 - YATES: Mr Davies. - Assistant Commissioner. 739 00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:34,340 - YATES: Thank you for coming in. - Thank you. 740 00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:37,199 - YATES: Dick said we should meet. - Yes. 741 00:33:37,299 --> 00:33:39,819 Dick Fedorcio was kind enough to arrange the meeting. 742 00:33:41,219 --> 00:33:43,758 I thought it useful so we could smooth matters over, 743 00:33:43,858 --> 00:33:45,278 so we can help each other. 744 00:33:45,378 --> 00:33:46,798 Mmm. I don't think I can help. 745 00:33:46,898 --> 00:33:48,438 No, no, no. I'm here to help you. 746 00:33:48,538 --> 00:33:50,477 A story that makes Scotland Yard look good. 747 00:33:50,577 --> 00:33:53,857 I just need you to confirm that in order to be able to 748 00:33:54,577 --> 00:33:57,236 uh, inform all the potential victims of the hacking 749 00:33:57,336 --> 00:33:59,196 that you set up a new database 750 00:33:59,296 --> 00:34:02,296 containing all the evidence which you gathered in 2006. 751 00:34:03,056 --> 00:34:04,035 Have we? 752 00:34:04,135 --> 00:34:06,315 Uh... 753 00:34:06,415 --> 00:34:08,435 Well, I've very good word from lawyers 754 00:34:08,535 --> 00:34:09,715 who've been in touch with the Yard 755 00:34:09,815 --> 00:34:11,874 saying that you're taking the need to organise 756 00:34:11,974 --> 00:34:15,374 the evidence which perhaps wasn't organised quite so well, seriously. 757 00:34:17,213 --> 00:34:18,913 All right, fine. 758 00:34:19,013 --> 00:34:21,013 Maybe we have organised a database. 759 00:34:21,453 --> 00:34:23,073 I will give you that. 760 00:34:23,173 --> 00:34:24,472 But in return, 761 00:34:24,572 --> 00:34:27,912 maybe you can cease and desist with briefing everyone against me. 762 00:34:28,012 --> 00:34:30,072 We have nothing to do with News International 763 00:34:30,172 --> 00:34:32,071 and you bloody well know it. 764 00:34:32,171 --> 00:34:33,271 Assistant Commissioner, my interest... 765 00:34:33,371 --> 00:34:35,511 You think I don't know what you're doing? 766 00:34:35,611 --> 00:34:37,231 When I appeared in front of that damn Select Committee, 767 00:34:37,331 --> 00:34:39,850 I could see in the eye movements of the MPs 768 00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:42,530 that you'd briefed all but one of them. 769 00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:45,149 I'm sorry, eye movements? 770 00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:47,969 Mmm-hmm. I'm a clever cop, Mr Davies. 771 00:34:48,809 --> 00:34:50,809 Right. 772 00:34:51,208 --> 00:34:55,868 Why didn't you pass the CPS the email to Neville Thurlbeck, 773 00:34:55,968 --> 00:34:58,267 which clearly implicated him in the hacking scandal? 774 00:34:58,367 --> 00:35:00,427 Was it because, well, as the CPS have said, 775 00:35:00,527 --> 00:35:02,147 that you could only use a sample 776 00:35:02,247 --> 00:35:03,787 because the evidence was unmanageable otherwise? 777 00:35:03,887 --> 00:35:05,986 No. The CPS were clear. 778 00:35:06,086 --> 00:35:08,786 With the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 779 00:35:08,886 --> 00:35:10,906 it is only a crime 780 00:35:11,006 --> 00:35:14,025 if the intended victim had not already heard the message. 781 00:35:14,125 --> 00:35:16,585 No one interprets RIPA like that, except you. 782 00:35:16,685 --> 00:35:18,025 All I want to know is the extent of this. 783 00:35:18,125 --> 00:35:19,344 Can you tell me how many victims 784 00:35:19,444 --> 00:35:20,744 of phone hacking you've been able to identify? 785 00:35:20,844 --> 00:35:22,464 Mr Davies, 786 00:35:22,564 --> 00:35:25,343 the Crown Prosecution Service do not agree with you. 787 00:35:25,443 --> 00:35:27,763 The Press Complaints Commission do not agree with you. 788 00:35:28,523 --> 00:35:31,883 And the Metropolitan Police certainly do not agree with you. 789 00:35:33,522 --> 00:35:36,522 There's dog-minded and then there's just dog. 790 00:35:37,082 --> 00:35:39,301 This left wing attack on Murdoch by The Guardian... 791 00:35:39,401 --> 00:35:40,541 If you can't give me a bald number, 792 00:35:40,641 --> 00:35:43,061 just tell me how many victims were in Mulcaire's notebooks. 793 00:35:43,161 --> 00:35:45,161 (LAUGHS) 794 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,160 I have never fallen out with a journalist before. 795 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,959 Well, you finally have done so. 796 00:35:55,479 --> 00:35:57,479 Congratulations. 797 00:35:57,879 --> 00:35:59,998 - (DOOR OPENS) - (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) 798 00:36:04,798 --> 00:36:06,797 - (LIFT DOOR OPENS) - (SIGHS) 799 00:36:08,077 --> 00:36:09,977 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 800 00:36:10,077 --> 00:36:12,437 This is Kate Saunders from The Guardian newspaper. 801 00:36:14,076 --> 00:36:16,076 (PHONE RINGING) 802 00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:20,675 (KNOCKING) 803 00:36:23,155 --> 00:36:25,135 Hi. 804 00:36:25,235 --> 00:36:27,714 - (DOOR CLOSES) - Look, I brought you a gift. 805 00:36:30,274 --> 00:36:32,274 It's an "I'm not sorry" gift. 806 00:36:34,353 --> 00:36:36,353 Gonna look? 807 00:36:38,713 --> 00:36:41,832 But I'm also, um... I'm stuck, so... 808 00:36:43,712 --> 00:36:45,612 If calling it an "I'm not sorry" gift is offensive, 809 00:36:45,712 --> 00:36:47,571 call it a "damn" gift. 810 00:36:47,671 --> 00:36:49,091 As in, "Damn, I'm stuck. Please help". 811 00:36:49,191 --> 00:36:50,971 Why are you stuck? 812 00:36:51,071 --> 00:36:53,631 They are... Everybody is... (SIGHS) 813 00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:58,650 No one is telling me the truth and I... 814 00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,010 Basic thing about you, Nick, 815 00:37:00,110 --> 00:37:02,169 is that each time you find someone lying to you, 816 00:37:02,269 --> 00:37:03,569 you are utterly amazed, 817 00:37:03,669 --> 00:37:06,609 even though you've devoted most of your life to uncovering liars. 818 00:37:06,709 --> 00:37:10,188 I wear the coat of a cynic only to conceal the heart 819 00:37:11,628 --> 00:37:13,328 of an agitated otter. 820 00:37:13,428 --> 00:37:16,527 They, um... Talking of cynicism, 821 00:37:16,627 --> 00:37:19,707 they're now spreading a rumour that I have a love child. 822 00:37:20,267 --> 00:37:22,266 A love child. 823 00:37:24,346 --> 00:37:26,526 They're coming after me too. 824 00:37:26,626 --> 00:37:28,765 Sheridan's been farming all sorts of calls. 825 00:37:28,865 --> 00:37:30,685 But they're not telling lies about you. 826 00:37:30,785 --> 00:37:32,865 - Why are the only lies about me? - Don't know. 827 00:37:33,545 --> 00:37:35,484 Because they think attacking me 828 00:37:35,584 --> 00:37:37,624 is the easiest way of shutting you up? 829 00:37:38,304 --> 00:37:40,244 Clever, really. 830 00:37:40,344 --> 00:37:42,323 They know I need you. 831 00:37:42,423 --> 00:37:45,463 How curious, you choose now to say something so kind. 832 00:37:47,103 --> 00:37:49,002 Oh, God. 833 00:37:49,102 --> 00:37:50,642 I'm your Sancho Panza. 834 00:37:50,742 --> 00:37:52,402 (LAUGHS) 835 00:37:52,502 --> 00:37:54,502 I always thought I was yours. 836 00:37:55,221 --> 00:37:57,341 I'm sorry for making your life difficult. 837 00:37:58,541 --> 00:38:00,721 I don't... 838 00:38:00,821 --> 00:38:04,120 I don't take our friendship to mean that... 839 00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:07,480 I don't expect you to print everything I write. 840 00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:09,039 ALAN: You're just doing what you're doing. 841 00:38:09,139 --> 00:38:11,159 Which is why you're the best. 842 00:38:11,259 --> 00:38:13,279 Which is why I pay you. Handsomely. 843 00:38:13,379 --> 00:38:15,039 (CHUCKLES) 844 00:38:15,139 --> 00:38:16,438 You're just as optimistic as me. 845 00:38:16,538 --> 00:38:18,758 Christ, you thought the PCC would come back on our side. 846 00:38:18,858 --> 00:38:21,838 - Even I didn't... - How a so-called industry regulator 847 00:38:21,938 --> 00:38:23,357 could say that about us. 848 00:38:23,457 --> 00:38:25,497 Well, it's the death of self-regulation. 849 00:38:27,457 --> 00:38:30,496 - Me? What do I do? - Can't you call your Mr Apollo? 850 00:38:31,096 --> 00:38:32,076 No, he's gone. 851 00:38:32,176 --> 00:38:33,476 Said he would. 852 00:38:33,576 --> 00:38:37,175 (INHALES) He always contacted me. Never from the same line twice. 853 00:38:38,135 --> 00:38:41,155 Well, wait for Max Clifford and your day in court. 854 00:38:41,255 --> 00:38:44,274 Max is important, but we can't wait. We're in a firefight here. 855 00:38:44,374 --> 00:38:47,054 They're gonna keep slinging mud till something sticks. 856 00:38:48,214 --> 00:38:50,393 Then... 857 00:38:50,493 --> 00:38:52,593 Oh, what about the phone companies? 858 00:38:52,693 --> 00:38:54,073 Sorry? 859 00:38:54,173 --> 00:38:57,472 Yates made that claim in the Select Committee 860 00:38:57,572 --> 00:39:00,232 that they'd asked the companies if there were any other victims 861 00:39:00,332 --> 00:39:03,471 of Mulcaire and Goodman in order to take appropriate action. 862 00:39:03,571 --> 00:39:05,431 - Yeah, I remember. - Well, 863 00:39:05,531 --> 00:39:10,790 ask the phone companies to disclose how many victims they identified 864 00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:12,890 and warned of being hacked. 865 00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:15,490 You might get the hacked numbers that way. 866 00:39:17,569 --> 00:39:19,229 You're a genius, Sancho. 867 00:39:19,329 --> 00:39:21,329 Never call me that again. 868 00:39:26,928 --> 00:39:28,928 Go on. Click it. 869 00:39:29,928 --> 00:39:31,927 Just click it. 870 00:39:34,407 --> 00:39:36,427 - (CLICKS) - NICK: Got books. 871 00:39:36,527 --> 00:39:38,106 She's not naked. There's pens when you click 872 00:39:38,206 --> 00:39:39,386 and they're naked, but she's covered in books. 873 00:39:39,486 --> 00:39:41,706 - It's a joke. - Thanks for explaining it to me. 874 00:39:41,806 --> 00:39:43,546 - I'll never use it. - I'll never ask you to. 875 00:39:43,646 --> 00:39:45,185 Thank you. 876 00:39:45,285 --> 00:39:47,585 ALAN: The Commissioner called after you left Yates. 877 00:39:47,685 --> 00:39:51,424 He said to me that, um, your coverage of the hacking scandal 878 00:39:51,524 --> 00:39:53,584 was exaggerated and incorrect. 879 00:39:53,684 --> 00:39:56,504 It's the first time I felt genuine confidence 880 00:39:56,604 --> 00:39:59,063 that we're doing absolutely the right thing. 881 00:39:59,163 --> 00:40:01,163 (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 882 00:40:01,683 --> 00:40:03,743 Adios. (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 883 00:40:03,843 --> 00:40:06,102 The Select Committee had, of course, rumbled on after us, 884 00:40:06,202 --> 00:40:07,862 meeting press, politicians, the police. 885 00:40:07,962 --> 00:40:09,862 Trying to meet Rebekah Brooks, she said no. 886 00:40:09,962 --> 00:40:12,421 Though they succeeded in meeting Andy Coulson, who said... 887 00:40:12,521 --> 00:40:14,061 As little as possible. 888 00:40:14,161 --> 00:40:16,381 But they were working it as best they could. 889 00:40:16,481 --> 00:40:19,100 And I was working with them, as best I could, 890 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,620 feeding them occasional questions. 891 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,900 Which we asked in our own way. 892 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,619 Hadn't occurred to me that the police revealing, 893 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,059 in a memo, written by Yates, 894 00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,399 that the mobile phone companies had been contacted, was a way in. 895 00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:34,398 The police provided the individual phone companies 896 00:40:35,118 --> 00:40:37,118 details of the telephone numbers. 897 00:40:38,038 --> 00:40:41,897 And it was agreed that they would individually research, 898 00:40:41,997 --> 00:40:45,876 assess and address whether or not and to what degree, 899 00:40:46,876 --> 00:40:50,796 their customers had been the subject of contact by the suspects. 900 00:40:57,275 --> 00:41:00,414 What I'm looking to find out is when the police contacted you, 901 00:41:00,514 --> 00:41:02,454 what number of victims you managed to trace 902 00:41:02,554 --> 00:41:03,894 and how many you contacted. 903 00:41:03,994 --> 00:41:05,993 - (MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) - Right, but... Yes. 904 00:41:06,953 --> 00:41:09,573 But John Yates was quoted in the Select Committee 905 00:41:09,673 --> 00:41:11,253 as saying you were spoken to, so. 906 00:41:11,353 --> 00:41:12,572 (MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 907 00:41:12,672 --> 00:41:15,292 My question is, did you ignore the Assistant Commissioner 908 00:41:15,392 --> 00:41:17,392 of the Metropolitan Police? 909 00:41:18,032 --> 00:41:20,651 - Yeah, sure. Sure, I'll hold. - DAVID: Nick. 910 00:41:20,751 --> 00:41:24,611 O2, 40 victims. Now, it's only one. 911 00:41:24,711 --> 00:41:26,770 It's only one. When one goes, they all... 912 00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:28,890 Yes, it is. Now, O2 have just confirmed 913 00:41:28,990 --> 00:41:30,570 that once they were alerted by the police, 914 00:41:30,670 --> 00:41:32,810 they contacted 40 hacking victims. 915 00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:34,909 I just wondered whether you have a number for us. 916 00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:36,929 Or have you more to hide than them? 917 00:41:37,029 --> 00:41:39,029 - (MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) - Great. 918 00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:41,588 Great. How many? 919 00:41:41,948 --> 00:41:43,568 MAN: Broadly the same as O2. 920 00:41:43,668 --> 00:41:46,607 You think you can do any better than, "Broadly the same as O2"? 921 00:41:46,707 --> 00:41:48,927 Orange have come back with 45 victims. 922 00:41:49,027 --> 00:41:50,487 Do you want to match that number instead? 923 00:41:50,587 --> 00:41:52,687 (MAN LAUGHING) 924 00:41:52,787 --> 00:41:54,566 No? Okay. Right, okay. 925 00:41:54,666 --> 00:41:57,486 Well, thank you very much. Thank you, bye. 926 00:41:57,586 --> 00:41:59,586 (TRIUMPHANT MUSIC PLAYING) 927 00:42:01,825 --> 00:42:03,965 - (KNOCKING) - O2, 40 victims. 928 00:42:04,065 --> 00:42:07,364 Vodafone, 40 victims, Orange, 45 victims. 929 00:42:07,464 --> 00:42:10,244 Together with the original eight, that's more than 130 people 930 00:42:10,344 --> 00:42:11,764 who had their phones hacked. 931 00:42:11,864 --> 00:42:13,763 Far more than Yates said. 932 00:42:13,863 --> 00:42:17,423 And this is just the tip of a very, very big iceberg. 933 00:42:19,023 --> 00:42:20,962 Okay. Let's do it. 934 00:42:21,062 --> 00:42:23,302 - (TRIUMPHANT MUSIC PLAYING) - (PRINTERS WHIRRING) 935 00:42:26,782 --> 00:42:28,781 NICK: This wasn't just Goodman. 936 00:42:29,261 --> 00:42:30,681 This wasn't just the royals. 937 00:42:30,781 --> 00:42:32,321 This was a practice. 938 00:42:32,421 --> 00:42:34,420 This was our foothold. 939 00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:36,900 And yet... 940 00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:40,160 Even though News International should have been on fire, 941 00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:42,199 it, once again, barely hit the sides. 942 00:42:42,299 --> 00:42:44,299 (DISTORTION SOUND) 943 00:42:44,859 --> 00:42:48,338 And no other newspaper thought it was an important story either. 944 00:42:49,258 --> 00:42:51,258 (SLOW DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) 945 00:42:59,377 --> 00:43:01,037 DAVE: Good scoop. 946 00:43:01,137 --> 00:43:03,156 The mobile phone companies, very good. 947 00:43:03,256 --> 00:43:05,296 NICK: Makes me happy to hear you say words like scoop. 948 00:43:06,176 --> 00:43:07,276 DAVE: Why, is that not what you say? 949 00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:09,375 You ever say "You're nicked"? 950 00:43:09,695 --> 00:43:11,935 I think I tried that once or twice when I was a younger man. 951 00:43:12,935 --> 00:43:14,995 It doesn't matter. No one's reporting it. 952 00:43:15,095 --> 00:43:17,334 Doesn't matter what it is, we're just getting frozen out. 953 00:43:18,174 --> 00:43:20,174 - So try harder. - What? 954 00:43:20,614 --> 00:43:22,713 Try harder. Stop pussy footing around. 955 00:43:22,813 --> 00:43:25,193 You think this is pussy footing? I put my paper on the line. 956 00:43:25,293 --> 00:43:26,313 I put myself on the line. 957 00:43:26,413 --> 00:43:28,553 You're not nailing people. You're not asking the right questions. 958 00:43:28,653 --> 00:43:30,652 Oh, you're a journalist now? 959 00:43:31,972 --> 00:43:34,532 Why was your Neville email not passed on? 960 00:43:35,691 --> 00:43:37,831 Print the photo on your front page 961 00:43:37,931 --> 00:43:40,951 of Assistant Commissioner, John Yates and Rebekah Brooks 962 00:43:41,051 --> 00:43:43,050 sitting together at the Police Bravery awards. 963 00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:44,550 They sat together? 964 00:43:44,650 --> 00:43:46,270 DAVE: Print what she said in parliament, 965 00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:48,710 "We have paid the police for information" 966 00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:50,909 and say that doesn't even go halfway to the truth. 967 00:43:51,009 --> 00:43:53,149 There's a murky swamp out there, Nick. 968 00:43:53,249 --> 00:43:55,988 Top tier police in the media and that needs reporting. 969 00:43:56,088 --> 00:43:58,308 I'm trying to write about all these things. 970 00:43:58,408 --> 00:44:00,768 Unfortunately, it's speculative and libellous. 971 00:44:01,968 --> 00:44:03,967 You need evidence, so do I. 972 00:44:05,327 --> 00:44:07,327 You want to help, give me something concrete. 973 00:44:10,686 --> 00:44:12,686 All right. I've dug. 974 00:44:13,646 --> 00:44:15,686 The case, the Neville email, the hacking. 975 00:44:16,605 --> 00:44:19,105 That case was given to Specialist Operations. 976 00:44:19,205 --> 00:44:20,185 Terrorist branch? 977 00:44:20,285 --> 00:44:22,325 The boss at the time was a guy called Andy Hayman. 978 00:44:23,045 --> 00:44:24,024 I know that name. 979 00:44:24,124 --> 00:44:27,904 Yeah, well, he disappeared. Retirement in a puff of smoke. 980 00:44:28,004 --> 00:44:28,984 And then re-appeared... 981 00:44:29,084 --> 00:44:31,503 Uh, yeah. Uh, writing articles for The Times. 982 00:44:31,603 --> 00:44:33,603 - That's why I know the name. - Exactly. 983 00:44:34,043 --> 00:44:36,483 The press goes through the police like a stick of rock. 984 00:44:37,042 --> 00:44:38,622 And News International, 985 00:44:38,722 --> 00:44:40,722 they're the worst of the lot. 986 00:44:41,202 --> 00:44:43,202 It's still speculative. 987 00:44:43,602 --> 00:44:45,601 Sorry, my friend. I need more. 988 00:44:47,961 --> 00:44:49,961 Aye. 989 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,760 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) 990 00:45:19,076 --> 00:45:21,076 (MOBILE RINGING) 991 00:45:26,115 --> 00:45:28,155 - Charlotte. Tell me some good news. - CHARLOTTE: Hi. 992 00:45:28,755 --> 00:45:30,755 It's Max. 993 00:45:38,993 --> 00:45:40,993 (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONTINUES) 994 00:45:45,152 --> 00:45:47,052 Max. 995 00:45:47,152 --> 00:45:48,412 Fucking hell, you brought him? 996 00:45:48,512 --> 00:45:49,892 Max, we've got them on the rack. 997 00:45:49,992 --> 00:45:51,971 You settle, the whole thing gets covered up again. 998 00:45:52,071 --> 00:45:53,811 You got them on the rack? With what? 999 00:45:53,911 --> 00:45:55,911 What we need, I can't get. 1000 00:45:56,831 --> 00:45:58,970 Stand tall. Be the man who made a difference. 1001 00:45:59,070 --> 00:46:01,530 Be the man. Do you listen to yourself? 1002 00:46:01,630 --> 00:46:02,810 CHARLOTTE: This isn't... 1003 00:46:02,910 --> 00:46:05,649 - Please, listen to my advice here. - You just want your piece of it. 1004 00:46:05,749 --> 00:46:09,009 Oh, your backwoods deal? I like to think I'm better than that. 1005 00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:11,909 - No one is better than money. - How much? 1006 00:46:14,228 --> 00:46:17,028 - Oh, go on! How much? - Fuck off. 1007 00:46:21,747 --> 00:46:23,747 CHARLOTTE: Oh, well. We tried. 1008 00:46:25,427 --> 00:46:28,506 The Murdochs agreed to pay Clifford more than a million pounds. 1009 00:46:29,226 --> 00:46:30,566 Some to cover his legal costs. 1010 00:46:30,666 --> 00:46:33,925 Most in the form of guaranteed income for stories he would sell them 1011 00:46:34,025 --> 00:46:35,365 over the next three years. 1012 00:46:35,465 --> 00:46:36,485 This meant it could be presented 1013 00:46:36,585 --> 00:46:38,765 as something other than the payment of damages. 1014 00:46:38,865 --> 00:46:40,644 This meant Charlotte didn't get her cut. 1015 00:46:40,744 --> 00:46:42,744 This meant it wasn't news. 1016 00:46:43,424 --> 00:46:45,424 Nobody was fooled, but it was clever. 1017 00:46:46,623 --> 00:46:48,623 Our biggest gun was spiked. 1018 00:46:49,703 --> 00:46:52,843 - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) - MAN: (ON TV) First election debate. 1019 00:46:52,943 --> 00:46:54,922 Tonight, history in the making, 1020 00:46:55,022 --> 00:46:59,162 as we are joined by the leader of the Liberal Democrats, Nick Clegg, 1021 00:46:59,262 --> 00:47:01,961 the Conservative Party leader, David Cameron 1022 00:47:02,061 --> 00:47:04,801 and the leader of The Labour Party, Gordon Brown. 1023 00:47:04,901 --> 00:47:06,760 (AUDIENCE CLAPPING) 1024 00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:10,700 NICK: The truth is power and secrecy walk hand in hand. 1025 00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:16,379 Power enjoys secrecy because it increases its scope. 1026 00:47:17,739 --> 00:47:20,698 Power generates secrecy simply because it can. 1027 00:47:22,138 --> 00:47:24,038 Downing Street, Scotland Yard, 1028 00:47:24,138 --> 00:47:26,738 they're no different to other powerful organisations. 1029 00:47:27,777 --> 00:47:29,437 They find secrecy easy, 1030 00:47:29,537 --> 00:47:31,617 natural and extremely helpful, 1031 00:47:32,777 --> 00:47:34,996 regardless of whether or not it may cheat the public 1032 00:47:35,096 --> 00:47:37,656 of information to which they have a profound right. 1033 00:47:38,456 --> 00:47:41,215 But, here's the thing about power and secrecy. 1034 00:47:42,775 --> 00:47:44,795 If you can expose the secrecy, 1035 00:47:44,895 --> 00:47:47,535 you might... You might, might, 1036 00:47:49,614 --> 00:47:50,674 break the power. 1037 00:47:50,774 --> 00:47:53,854 - (WOMAN VOCALISING) - (MUSIC CRESCENDOS, STOPS) 78873

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