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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,500 --> 00:00:15,900 A life is made up of a great amount of small incidents. 2 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:18,380 And a small amount of great ones. 3 00:00:24,620 --> 00:00:26,700 An autobiography must therefore, 4 00:00:26,700 --> 00:00:28,700 unless it is to become tedious, 5 00:00:28,700 --> 00:00:30,140 be extremely selective, 6 00:00:37,060 --> 00:00:39,740 discarding all inconsequential incidents. 7 00:00:46,060 --> 00:00:50,660 And concentrating upon those that have remained vivid in the memory. 8 00:00:58,540 --> 00:01:02,260 I went flying with the RAF in the Second World War. 9 00:01:02,260 --> 00:01:04,820 Gloster Gladiators cooperate with the ground forces. 10 00:01:13,180 --> 00:01:14,420 I flew straight to the point 11 00:01:14,420 --> 00:01:16,060 where 80 Squadron should have been. 12 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:26,940 It wasn't there. 13 00:01:26,940 --> 00:01:30,500 Below me there was nothing but empty desert, and rugged desert at that, 14 00:01:30,500 --> 00:01:33,940 full of large stones and boulders and gulleys. 15 00:01:37,020 --> 00:01:39,700 It was nearly dark now, I had to get down somehow. 16 00:01:45,860 --> 00:01:49,580 I chose a piece of ground that seemed to be as boulder-free as any. 17 00:01:50,860 --> 00:01:51,980 My wheels touched down, 18 00:01:53,260 --> 00:01:55,260 I throttled back and prayed for a bit of luck. 19 00:02:01,140 --> 00:02:02,140 I didn't get it. 20 00:02:05,380 --> 00:02:07,060 I was unconscious for some moments, 21 00:02:07,060 --> 00:02:09,300 but I must have recovered my senses very quickly, 22 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:10,660 because I can remember... 23 00:02:10,660 --> 00:02:13,380 WHOOSH! 24 00:02:13,380 --> 00:02:16,820 ..a mighty whoosh as the petrol tank exploded. 25 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:24,940 Roald is on his way to his first day of active service flying for the RAF 26 00:02:24,940 --> 00:02:28,420 against the Italians, in the desert of northern Libya. 27 00:02:28,420 --> 00:02:31,820 He hadn't got to the base where he was supposed to be. 28 00:02:33,260 --> 00:02:36,260 He hit a boulder. The whole thing burst into flames. 29 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:39,780 He pulled himself out, 30 00:02:39,780 --> 00:02:43,420 and then lay on the ground while the plane was burning and while these 31 00:02:43,420 --> 00:02:45,820 extraordinary guns started to go off. 32 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:51,380 The crash was so bad the plane was completely totalled, he nearly... 33 00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:53,780 I mean, he nearly died. 34 00:02:53,780 --> 00:02:56,380 I think he was very, very lucky to come out of that alive. 35 00:02:57,620 --> 00:02:59,660 My face hurt most. 36 00:02:59,660 --> 00:03:01,700 I slowly put a hand up to feel it. 37 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:04,420 It was very sticky. 38 00:03:06,380 --> 00:03:08,380 My nose didn't seem to be there. 39 00:03:10,260 --> 00:03:14,100 In the hospital in Alexandria, he lived in this world for six weeks, 40 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:18,420 I think, of total darkness, of uncertainty about where he was, 41 00:03:18,420 --> 00:03:20,180 about what was going on. 42 00:03:20,180 --> 00:03:24,300 The blindness must have been very frightening. 43 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:27,740 You're in hospital, and all you can hear are voices. 44 00:03:27,740 --> 00:03:30,260 And then when the bandages come off, you know, 45 00:03:30,260 --> 00:03:31,940 "Am I going to be able to see?" You know. 46 00:03:38,660 --> 00:03:43,700 Blindness, not to mention life itself, was no longer too important. 47 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:48,860 The only way was to accept all the dangers and the consequences 48 00:03:48,860 --> 00:03:50,220 as calmly as possible. 49 00:03:54,140 --> 00:03:57,900 The crash clearly was incredibly important, because it became 50 00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:01,460 the subject of his first piece of published work. 51 00:04:01,460 --> 00:04:05,620 But I think it also may well have changed his personality. 52 00:04:05,620 --> 00:04:10,260 He thought, and often said, that, um... 53 00:04:10,260 --> 00:04:14,380 he felt something had changed in him as a result of this crash. 54 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:18,460 They were the head injuries that made him into a writer. 55 00:04:20,940 --> 00:04:23,740 He exaggerated the crash quite a bit. 56 00:04:24,940 --> 00:04:26,340 You know, this was a drama. 57 00:04:27,660 --> 00:04:30,660 This was something fantastic to write about! 58 00:04:33,580 --> 00:04:36,540 These extraordinary ideas, how do they develop? 59 00:04:36,540 --> 00:04:37,820 Where do they come from? 60 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:41,300 They always, of course, start with some tiny germ. 61 00:04:41,300 --> 00:04:43,140 Somewhere. 62 00:04:43,140 --> 00:04:45,460 And you rattle it around, and... 63 00:04:47,140 --> 00:04:48,740 ..hope for the best, and build up a story. 64 00:04:48,740 --> 00:04:51,260 I don't know, it's got to start with something. 65 00:05:01,820 --> 00:05:05,180 When I was seven my mother decided I should go to a proper boys' school. 66 00:05:07,020 --> 00:05:09,260 It was called Llandaff Cathedral School, 67 00:05:09,260 --> 00:05:11,460 and it stood right under the shadow of the cathedral. 68 00:05:14,820 --> 00:05:18,180 The sweet shop at Llandaff was the very centre of our lives. 69 00:05:19,340 --> 00:05:23,100 To us it was what a bar is to a drunk, or a church to a bishop - 70 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:26,100 without it, there would have been little to live for. 71 00:05:29,340 --> 00:05:32,740 But it had one terrible drawback, this sweet shop. 72 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:35,740 The woman who owned it 73 00:05:35,740 --> 00:05:36,860 was a horror. 74 00:05:37,940 --> 00:05:41,100 I've forgotten, for the moment, what the horrible woman in the shop was, 75 00:05:41,100 --> 00:05:42,380 but... Mrs Pratchett. 76 00:05:42,380 --> 00:05:44,380 Oh, she was Mrs Pratchett, that's right, yes. 77 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:52,860 She never welcomed us when we went in. 78 00:05:52,860 --> 00:05:55,980 And the only times she spoke were when she said things like... 79 00:05:57,780 --> 00:05:59,060 "I'm watching you, 80 00:05:59,060 --> 00:06:02,260 "so keep your thieving fingers off them chocolates." 81 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:07,540 I think it was in school cap days. 82 00:06:10,660 --> 00:06:14,540 It's very nice, because it's a sort of early version of a lot of things 83 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:16,060 that happen in the books later. 84 00:06:16,060 --> 00:06:18,540 You know, these ingenuities. 85 00:06:18,540 --> 00:06:23,380 Some kind of suitable revenge goes on, which is...which is very nice. 86 00:06:25,660 --> 00:06:29,060 My four friends and I had come across a loose floorboard 87 00:06:29,060 --> 00:06:30,500 at the back of the classroom. 88 00:06:31,860 --> 00:06:35,780 One day, we lifted it up and found a dead mouse. 89 00:06:37,180 --> 00:06:39,300 It was an exciting discovery. 90 00:06:39,300 --> 00:06:40,620 "Hold on a tick," I said, 91 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:46,420 "why don't we slip it into one of Mrs Pratchett's jars of sweets? 92 00:06:47,660 --> 00:06:51,860 "Then, when she puts her dirty hand in to grab a handful, 93 00:06:51,860 --> 00:06:54,660 "she'll grab a stinky dead mouse instead." 94 00:06:57,300 --> 00:06:58,940 When you're old enough to... 95 00:07:00,260 --> 00:07:03,740 ..and experienced enough to be a competent writer, 96 00:07:03,740 --> 00:07:07,660 by then, you've become pompous and... 97 00:07:09,740 --> 00:07:13,780 ..adult, grown-up and...you've lost all your jokiness. 98 00:07:13,780 --> 00:07:15,380 You don't have any... 99 00:07:15,380 --> 00:07:18,820 And so, unless you are a kind of 100 00:07:18,820 --> 00:07:22,540 undeveloped...adult, 101 00:07:22,540 --> 00:07:26,180 and you still have an enormous amount of childishness in you, 102 00:07:26,180 --> 00:07:29,100 and you giggle at funny stories and jokes and things, 103 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:30,220 I don't think you can do it. 104 00:07:33,420 --> 00:07:36,100 The five of us left school and headed for the sweet shop. 105 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:40,780 We were tremendously jazzed up. 106 00:07:40,780 --> 00:07:45,660 We felt like a gang of desperadoes setting out to rob a train. 107 00:07:46,780 --> 00:07:52,580 We were the victors now, and Mrs Pratchett was the victim. 108 00:07:52,580 --> 00:07:57,940 She stood behind the counter, and her small, malignant pig eyes 109 00:07:57,940 --> 00:07:59,860 watched us suspiciously. 110 00:08:02,540 --> 00:08:07,420 When I saw Mrs Pratchett turn her head away for a couple of seconds, 111 00:08:07,420 --> 00:08:12,260 I lifted the heavy glass lid of the gobstopper jar, 112 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:15,700 and dropped the mouse in. 113 00:08:19,620 --> 00:08:22,020 Well, I think Roald thought they'd got away with it. 114 00:08:22,020 --> 00:08:24,660 But, in fact, of course, he hadn't. 115 00:08:24,660 --> 00:08:26,700 The consequences, of course... 116 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:28,940 ..hit hard. 117 00:08:30,780 --> 00:08:34,220 We didn't speak as we made our way down the long corridor into 118 00:08:34,220 --> 00:08:36,620 the headmaster's dreaded study. 119 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:40,300 He raised the cane high above his shoulder, 120 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:41,700 and as he brought it down... 121 00:08:42,820 --> 00:08:44,740 ..it made a loud swishing sound. 122 00:08:44,740 --> 00:08:46,100 SWISH-CRACK! 123 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:52,900 And there was a crack like a pistol shot as it struck Thwaite's bottom. 124 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:57,580 "Harder! Harder!" shrieked a voice from over in the corner. 125 00:08:59,420 --> 00:09:04,780 We looked around, and there was the loathsome figure of Mrs Pratchett. 126 00:09:04,780 --> 00:09:06,060 GRUFF VOICE: "Lay into him!" 127 00:09:06,060 --> 00:09:09,180 SWISH-CRACK! 128 00:09:09,180 --> 00:09:11,940 You could hear your fellow... 129 00:09:13,980 --> 00:09:16,500 ..friends being caned. 130 00:09:16,500 --> 00:09:17,980 And you knew you were next. 131 00:09:17,980 --> 00:09:20,740 I mean, that's pretty tough. 132 00:09:22,980 --> 00:09:25,380 I think it affected him a lot. 133 00:09:26,860 --> 00:09:30,700 And, of course, it went through a lot of his children's literature. 134 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:34,340 Vicious people are much more interesting than nice, good people. 135 00:09:34,340 --> 00:09:38,820 There's nothing more boring than a totally good person. 136 00:09:38,820 --> 00:09:44,500 They've got to have quirks, and bad habits, and things like that. 137 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:47,500 You can have a nice one as well, chucked in there, 138 00:09:47,500 --> 00:09:50,580 but if you had a book full of nothing but nice people, 139 00:09:50,580 --> 00:09:52,420 it would be awfully boring. 140 00:09:52,420 --> 00:09:54,500 "It's like a war!" Matilda said. 141 00:09:54,500 --> 00:09:57,300 "You're darn right, it's like a war," Hortensia cried, 142 00:09:57,300 --> 00:09:59,340 "and the casualties are terrific. 143 00:09:59,340 --> 00:10:04,220 "We are the Crusaders, the gallant army fighting for our lives 144 00:10:04,220 --> 00:10:07,100 "with hardly any weapons at all. 145 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:08,820 "And the Trunchbull 146 00:10:10,260 --> 00:10:13,500 "is the Prince of Darkness. 147 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:15,380 "The foul serpent. 148 00:10:15,380 --> 00:10:19,620 "The fiery dragon with all the weapons at her command." 149 00:10:20,660 --> 00:10:24,100 Mrs Trunchbull in the movie is very, very like 150 00:10:24,100 --> 00:10:26,220 Mrs Trunchbull in the book. 151 00:10:26,220 --> 00:10:28,580 She's larger than life, 152 00:10:28,580 --> 00:10:32,860 a grotesque adult who absolutely hates children and finds them 153 00:10:32,860 --> 00:10:35,500 the most revolting things in the world. 154 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:39,500 Her way of punishing them is rather different, however, to the norm. 155 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:43,820 She likes to whirl them around her head, and throw them out the window. 156 00:10:43,820 --> 00:10:45,220 CHILDREN GASP 157 00:10:45,220 --> 00:10:46,780 Aaaaargh! 158 00:10:46,780 --> 00:10:48,100 I never liked authority. 159 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:51,340 I've never got on very well in institutions. 160 00:10:51,340 --> 00:10:55,220 Always...er, difficult. 161 00:10:55,220 --> 00:10:57,660 But it's wrong, of course, to be like that, 162 00:10:57,660 --> 00:11:01,140 because you couldn't run schools and institutions like that 163 00:11:01,140 --> 00:11:03,780 if everyone was like that. 164 00:11:04,940 --> 00:11:07,460 There shouldn't be too many rebels around. 165 00:11:07,460 --> 00:11:08,580 There shouldn't be. 166 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:10,220 But you are one? 167 00:11:10,220 --> 00:11:14,620 Well, I... Yes, but you get much mellower as you get older, you know. 168 00:11:14,620 --> 00:11:17,460 I'm still a rebel in some respects, yes. 169 00:11:17,460 --> 00:11:22,540 Very much so. I don't like conformists, people who conform. 170 00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:33,380 At school, every boy in our house used to be given, each term, 171 00:11:33,380 --> 00:11:38,620 a plain brown cardboard box with 12 chocolate bars in it. 172 00:11:38,620 --> 00:11:39,900 And every... 173 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:43,100 Each of these, except for the one, which was the control bar, 174 00:11:43,100 --> 00:11:45,820 and was always a coffee creme bar, 175 00:11:45,820 --> 00:11:50,940 they were new inventions from a famous chocolate manufacturer, 176 00:11:50,940 --> 00:11:52,700 and we were meant to taste them. 177 00:11:52,700 --> 00:11:54,580 We were given them free, and we tasted them, 178 00:11:54,580 --> 00:11:57,340 and there was a bit of paper in there, and we marked them all 179 00:11:57,340 --> 00:11:59,500 from 0 to 10. I realised then, you see, 180 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:04,260 that this vast chocolate factory had in it a room, 181 00:12:04,260 --> 00:12:09,940 a secret room, where fully grown men and women spent their entire time 182 00:12:09,940 --> 00:12:14,180 trying to think up and invent new chocolate bars for children. 183 00:12:15,420 --> 00:12:18,900 And I've never been in one, or seen one, 184 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:22,300 or met anyone who's worked in one, but they clearly must exist, 185 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:23,740 mustn't they? 186 00:12:27,220 --> 00:12:30,500 ARCHIVE: Every big industry has its backroom boys, 187 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:32,580 where research and science take over. 188 00:12:37,780 --> 00:12:43,820 The fascination of chocolates became immense when he was at Repton. 189 00:12:43,820 --> 00:12:45,700 That was the seed, 190 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:48,700 the cocoa bean, that was planted for Charlie And The Chocolate Factory. 191 00:12:52,140 --> 00:12:57,500 Willy Wonka was partially my father. 192 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:01,900 I think he based most of his adult heroes 193 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:03,540 on parts of himself. 194 00:13:03,540 --> 00:13:05,980 Parts of his dreams of glory. 195 00:13:05,980 --> 00:13:09,100 Parts and characteristics of himself that he liked in himself. 196 00:13:19,740 --> 00:13:22,900 The inspiration that I've had from Willy Wonka, 197 00:13:22,900 --> 00:13:27,540 it's just the idea that there should be no limits to your creativity. 198 00:13:31,340 --> 00:13:33,820 Let free rein happen, and... 199 00:13:33,820 --> 00:13:36,420 Just try introducing all sorts of 200 00:13:36,420 --> 00:13:38,620 wild and wacky ingredients, 201 00:13:38,620 --> 00:13:39,700 and see what happens. 202 00:13:43,260 --> 00:13:45,620 Mmm! It's nice? Yeah, really good. 203 00:13:45,620 --> 00:13:48,940 That's certainly got the crunchy cricket. Yes. 204 00:13:50,020 --> 00:13:54,580 Did you know that he's invented chocolate ice cream so that it 205 00:13:54,580 --> 00:13:58,580 stays cold for hours and hours without being in the refrigerator? 206 00:13:59,860 --> 00:14:03,700 "That's impossible," said little Charlie, staring at his grandfather. 207 00:14:03,700 --> 00:14:06,900 "Of course it's impossible," said Grandpa Joe. 208 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:09,180 "It's completely absurd." 209 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:14,540 "But Mr Willy Wonka has done it." 210 00:14:15,540 --> 00:14:18,060 Somehow, he conjured up, 211 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:23,180 time after time, these magical stories, 212 00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:25,820 and I think he did believe... 213 00:14:27,580 --> 00:14:32,180 ..that you have to believe in magic. 214 00:14:34,020 --> 00:14:35,380 Roald wrote the screenplay 215 00:14:35,380 --> 00:14:37,620 for the movie of Charlie And The Chocolate Factory, 216 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:39,460 and had very high hopes for it, 217 00:14:39,460 --> 00:14:42,300 but he was very disappointed when they came to shoot it. 218 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:45,060 He thought Wonka was more mercurial and more weird, 219 00:14:45,060 --> 00:14:48,180 and he had Spike Milligan in mind, and, in fact, 220 00:14:48,180 --> 00:14:51,860 insisted that the producers do a screen test with him. 221 00:14:51,860 --> 00:14:53,860 And Spike Milligan even shaved his beard. 222 00:14:55,460 --> 00:14:58,340 They didn't like him, so it ended up with Gene Wilder. 223 00:14:58,340 --> 00:15:01,580 He thought Gene Wilder just wasn't eccentric enough. 224 00:15:01,580 --> 00:15:02,540 He was too soft. 225 00:15:05,860 --> 00:15:12,060 Invention, my dear friends, is 93% perspiration, 6% electricity, 226 00:15:12,060 --> 00:15:16,460 4% evaporation and 2% butterscotch ripple. 227 00:15:16,460 --> 00:15:18,820 That's 105%. 228 00:15:18,820 --> 00:15:19,860 Any good? 229 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:23,340 Yes. 230 00:15:23,340 --> 00:15:26,700 Everything that happened in his life coloured what he wrote. 231 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:27,980 Everything. 232 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:38,140 When you finished school, you were very anxious to get a job that would 233 00:15:38,140 --> 00:15:39,980 bring you to exotic places in the world. 234 00:15:39,980 --> 00:15:41,820 Yes. Why was that? 235 00:15:41,820 --> 00:15:49,140 Well, I think... If you think of the time, which was 1933, or '4, 236 00:15:49,140 --> 00:15:52,180 there were virtually no aeroplanes flying you anywhere. 237 00:15:52,180 --> 00:15:54,180 There weren't any. No commercial airline. 238 00:15:54,180 --> 00:15:56,660 FOG HORN BLARES 239 00:15:56,660 --> 00:16:00,700 It's impossible for young people today to understand the excitement 240 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:05,380 of getting on a boat and travelling solidly for three or four weeks 241 00:16:05,380 --> 00:16:08,860 and finishing up in Africa among the coconut palms. 242 00:16:08,860 --> 00:16:14,100 He joined Shell, he was a trainee oil executive of some description, 243 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:17,140 but he'd only joined Shell so that he could get to go to Africa. 244 00:16:17,140 --> 00:16:18,420 That's where he wanted to go. 245 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:24,540 To me it was all wonderful, beautiful and exciting. 246 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:28,700 And so it remained for the rest of my time in Tanganyika. 247 00:16:29,740 --> 00:16:31,860 Oh, I loved it all. 248 00:16:31,860 --> 00:16:36,260 There were no furled umbrellas, no bowler hats, no sombre grey suits. 249 00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:39,260 And I never once had to go on a train or a bus. 250 00:16:40,460 --> 00:16:45,420 Finding himself in Africa must have been a revelation, 251 00:16:45,420 --> 00:16:48,260 an incentive as well, I'm sure. 252 00:16:48,260 --> 00:16:51,500 Of course, he could not know at that stage that he was going to be 253 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:55,740 the writer he was, but I'm sure that that sort of stuff silts down 254 00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:58,580 in the consciousness and comes out later. 255 00:17:01,460 --> 00:17:05,100 Now, these black mambas are real bastards. 256 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:09,140 Not only are they one of the few snakes that will attack without 257 00:17:09,140 --> 00:17:12,660 provocation, but if they bite you, you stand a jolly good chance 258 00:17:12,660 --> 00:17:14,620 of kicking the bucket in a few hours. 259 00:17:16,620 --> 00:17:20,460 The black mamba is extraordinary, and I'm not sure if I know how to... 260 00:17:20,460 --> 00:17:24,180 to draw a black mamba, but they're 261 00:17:24,180 --> 00:17:25,620 pretty hefty and serious. 262 00:17:29,060 --> 00:17:31,740 One morning, I was shaving myself in the bathroom, 263 00:17:31,740 --> 00:17:33,300 and I was gazing out into the garden. 264 00:17:35,340 --> 00:17:39,140 I was watching Salimu, as he methodically raked the front drive. 265 00:17:44,220 --> 00:17:45,700 And then I saw the snake. 266 00:17:46,940 --> 00:17:50,580 It was six feet long and thick as my arm. 267 00:17:50,580 --> 00:17:55,660 It had seen Salimu and was gliding fast, straight towards him. 268 00:17:55,660 --> 00:17:58,060 I yelled in Swahili, "Salimu! 269 00:17:58,060 --> 00:17:59,860 "Beware, huge snake, behind you." 270 00:18:01,180 --> 00:18:03,700 It would reach him in another five seconds. 271 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:06,380 I lent out of the window, and held my breath. 272 00:18:08,660 --> 00:18:10,900 He waited until the very last moment, 273 00:18:10,900 --> 00:18:14,060 when the mamba was not more than five feet away, and then... 274 00:18:15,380 --> 00:18:17,620 ..he brought the rake down hard, 275 00:18:17,620 --> 00:18:19,780 right on the middle of the mamba's back. 276 00:18:21,780 --> 00:18:24,180 I rushed down the stairs, absolutely naked, 277 00:18:24,180 --> 00:18:26,060 grabbing a golf club as I went. 278 00:18:26,060 --> 00:18:28,660 I shouted to Salimu, "What shall I do?" 279 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:33,340 "Stand away, Bwana! Leave it to me." 280 00:18:33,340 --> 00:18:37,340 The boy hit it accurately, and very hard, on the head. 281 00:18:39,580 --> 00:18:43,340 Salimu let out a great sigh, and passed a hand over his forehead. 282 00:18:43,340 --> 00:18:47,100 "Oh, thank you, Bwana, thank you very much." 283 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:53,180 The first book I did was The Enormous Crocodile, 284 00:18:53,180 --> 00:18:54,660 which, I suppose... 285 00:18:55,860 --> 00:18:58,620 I mean, when I got it, it was the first book I'd done, you know, 286 00:18:58,620 --> 00:19:00,500 and I was just sort of amazed to look at it, 287 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:04,380 but, of course, he had that background in Africa, 288 00:19:04,380 --> 00:19:09,620 so that if it was, you know, this great, greasy river that he was in. 289 00:19:09,620 --> 00:19:12,460 That, to him, was a real river. 290 00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:16,660 It says he has hundreds of teeth, I think. 291 00:19:16,660 --> 00:19:21,180 So I sort of came to do it with hundreds... 292 00:19:22,380 --> 00:19:24,340 I mean, I started off drawing real crocodiles, 293 00:19:24,340 --> 00:19:26,300 but real crocodiles are not like this at all. 294 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:27,740 They don't have teeth like that. 295 00:19:27,740 --> 00:19:30,380 Real crocodiles have sort of wobbly mouths like that, 296 00:19:30,380 --> 00:19:32,380 and they have a tooth here and there, you know, 297 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:34,860 sort of thing. But this has... 298 00:19:34,860 --> 00:19:36,260 And of course, what it is... 299 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:40,860 ..you know, it's specially for eating children. 300 00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:43,580 CHANTING AND SINGING 301 00:19:43,580 --> 00:19:49,140 "Soon," he thought, "one of them is going to sit on my head, 302 00:19:49,140 --> 00:19:52,220 "and I'll give a jerk, and a snap. 303 00:19:53,580 --> 00:19:56,940 "And after that, it will be - yum, yum, yum!" 304 00:19:56,940 --> 00:19:58,740 SQUAWK 305 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:00,700 At that moment there was a flash of brown. 306 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:03,300 It was Muggle-Wump, the monkey. 307 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:05,700 "Run!" Muggle-Wump shouted to the children. 308 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:07,460 "All of you, run, run, run! 309 00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:13,180 "That's not a seesaw! It's the enormous crocodile, 310 00:20:13,180 --> 00:20:14,980 "and he wants to eat you up." 311 00:20:17,260 --> 00:20:18,860 I'm quite prepared to have them 312 00:20:18,860 --> 00:20:20,940 killed in the most grisly possible way, 313 00:20:20,940 --> 00:20:25,540 like having little boys from Eton pulled out of the windows 314 00:20:25,540 --> 00:20:29,940 and eaten by giants, bones crunched up and everything. 315 00:20:29,940 --> 00:20:33,100 That's fine as long as there is a whopping great laugh 316 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:34,740 at the same time. 317 00:20:45,340 --> 00:20:48,980 Will you warn your controller that this looks like yet another attack? 318 00:20:48,980 --> 00:20:51,420 SIREN WAILS 319 00:20:51,420 --> 00:20:55,140 VOICE OVER RADIO - INDISTINCT 320 00:20:57,500 --> 00:21:00,940 At exactly ten o'clock, I was strapped into my Hurricane, 321 00:21:00,940 --> 00:21:02,140 ready for takeoff. 322 00:21:04,020 --> 00:21:07,060 Well, six months after his crash, he found himself in one of these, 323 00:21:07,060 --> 00:21:08,700 a Mk I Hurricane, 324 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:11,780 with only two hours flying experience in this, 325 00:21:11,780 --> 00:21:13,380 flying to Greece. 326 00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:17,180 Two days after he got there, he found himself flying in combat 327 00:21:17,180 --> 00:21:19,460 for the first time. 328 00:21:19,460 --> 00:21:22,500 I took off and climbed to 5,000 feet. 329 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:26,420 I cruised around, admiring the blue sea and the great mountains. 330 00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:31,980 I'm just beginning to think to myself that this was a very nice way 331 00:21:31,980 --> 00:21:35,460 to fight a war, when the static erupted. 332 00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:36,700 STATIC BUZZES 333 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:39,100 Bandits over shipping at Chalcis. 334 00:21:48,580 --> 00:21:51,540 I cleared the top of the mountain range with 500 feet to spare, 335 00:21:51,540 --> 00:21:53,420 and as I went over, 336 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:57,820 I saw a solitary goat, brown and white, wandering on the bare rock. 337 00:21:57,820 --> 00:21:58,700 GOAT BLEATS 338 00:22:01,260 --> 00:22:03,860 "Hello, goat," I said aloud, 339 00:22:03,860 --> 00:22:06,980 "I bet you don't know the Germans are going to have you for supper 340 00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:09,020 "before you're much older." 341 00:22:09,020 --> 00:22:12,620 To which, as I realised as soon as I'd said it, 342 00:22:12,620 --> 00:22:15,060 the goat might very well have answered, 343 00:22:15,060 --> 00:22:16,780 "And the same to you, my boy, 344 00:22:16,780 --> 00:22:18,740 "you're no better off than I am!" 345 00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:27,100 Suddenly, I spotted the bombers. 346 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:29,500 They were Junkers, 88s. 347 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:31,020 I counted six of them. 348 00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:36,700 All six rear gunners began shooting at me. 349 00:22:43,540 --> 00:22:45,980 Quickly, I turned the firing button from "safe" to "fire". 350 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:54,140 The odds for the British pilots in Greece at that time were terrible. 351 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:57,820 There were about 15, they had about 15 planes when Dahl arrived, 352 00:22:57,820 --> 00:22:59,300 they had 14 before. 353 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:03,620 And there were over 1,000 German planes, you know, 354 00:23:03,620 --> 00:23:06,300 and so they were totally onto a loser. 355 00:23:13,380 --> 00:23:14,860 It's a very nice aeroplane to fly. 356 00:23:16,220 --> 00:23:18,500 It handles really well. 357 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,700 They say it's a very good gun platform, 358 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:24,060 but I wouldn't want to get shot at in one. 359 00:23:24,060 --> 00:23:25,580 I think he's a very brave man. 360 00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:28,260 Only seven hours on type, 361 00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:31,020 to then go into combat with it would be very scary. 362 00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:36,980 The Hurricane gave a shudder 363 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:40,380 as the eight Brownings in the wings all opened up together, 364 00:23:40,380 --> 00:23:44,820 and a second later, I saw a huge piece of his metal engine cowling, 365 00:23:44,820 --> 00:23:47,300 the size of a dinner tray, 366 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:49,340 go flying up into the air. 367 00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:55,420 Dear Mama, thanks for your telegrams. 368 00:23:55,420 --> 00:23:57,300 We had great fun in Greece 369 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,940 although I must admit I was pleased to get away safely. 370 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:04,180 I arrived at the house here looking like a tramp, with nothing but 371 00:24:04,180 --> 00:24:06,780 my flying suit and a pair of khaki shorts. 372 00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:10,460 Incidentally, I got three German aircraft confirmed, 373 00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:11,900 and two unconfirmed. 374 00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:15,420 Lots of love to all, Roald. 375 00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:19,980 We know they... 376 00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:23,540 They flew alone and they came back, 377 00:24:23,540 --> 00:24:25,460 or in many cases, didn't come back. 378 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:28,220 So that was extraordinarily, um... 379 00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:33,420 That was old-fashioned heroism, really, I think. 380 00:24:43,820 --> 00:24:47,100 The guilt that he was a survivor lay with him, 381 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:51,260 and in his ideas book, you can still see the names of the pilots 382 00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:54,580 who flew there, which he's obviously written down much later, 383 00:24:54,580 --> 00:24:57,180 and put an X against the ones who died. 384 00:24:58,620 --> 00:25:00,020 Timber Woods, Oofy Still. 385 00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:05,340 I mean, there were probably only two or three of the 30-odd pilots 386 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:08,340 in that squadron, around that time, who survived. 387 00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:13,620 Those years... 388 00:25:14,660 --> 00:25:16,460 ..must have been terrifying. 389 00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:20,100 And again, the losing of your friends, you know, 390 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:22,780 you come back and they're dead. 391 00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:25,220 They've gone. They've been shot down. 392 00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:27,900 And, again, it comes back to his books, 393 00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:32,340 when you think of the children who lose their parents. 394 00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:36,340 You know, and the lives that they have to cope with, 395 00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:41,460 after the loss of a father or mother, or a great friend. 396 00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:44,980 And he learnt to cope with that. 397 00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:51,620 Did you like being a pilot when you were in the war? 398 00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:56,020 Um, only the training part, really. 399 00:25:56,020 --> 00:26:00,940 It's not much fun to fly an aeroplane and be shot at 400 00:26:00,940 --> 00:26:02,100 at the same time. 401 00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:05,220 So the answer, really, the honest answer, is no. 402 00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:12,380 In fact, you started to write 403 00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:15,980 when you were assistant air attache in Washington. 404 00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:17,860 How, in fact, did it come about? 405 00:26:17,860 --> 00:26:20,940 To be quite honest, I had no thought of writing at all, 406 00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:24,780 right up to the age of, what, 20...something. 407 00:26:24,780 --> 00:26:29,380 And I was wounded, a bit, in the war, 408 00:26:29,380 --> 00:26:31,540 and sent to Washington, 409 00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:35,980 and it was early days, and, erm... 410 00:26:37,420 --> 00:26:41,700 I was sitting in my rather grand office in the British Embassy, 411 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:45,660 wondering what to do, and there was a knock on the door, 412 00:26:45,660 --> 00:26:48,540 and I said, "Come in." 413 00:26:48,540 --> 00:26:51,900 And a tiny little man came in, with thick glasses, 414 00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:53,740 and said, "Excuse me, are you busy?" 415 00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:55,340 And I said, "Not in the least, no. 416 00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:58,860 "Do come in." And I thought he was going to ask for a job. 417 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:04,140 And he said, "My name's Forester. 418 00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:05,620 "CS Forester." 419 00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:08,860 I said, "Get on," you know, "You can't be that." 420 00:27:08,860 --> 00:27:10,660 One of my heroes. Really? 421 00:27:10,660 --> 00:27:13,620 A great...one of the great writers at that time, 422 00:27:13,620 --> 00:27:15,340 Captain Hornblower and everything else. 423 00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:17,780 The only pleasure I seem to get from life these days 424 00:27:17,780 --> 00:27:20,620 is when you come home from one of your confounded adventures. 425 00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:22,220 He said, "Now, you've been in the war. 426 00:27:22,220 --> 00:27:26,420 "America's only just coming in. You've been in action. 427 00:27:26,420 --> 00:27:31,020 "I'll take you out to dinner..." Lunch, it was. 428 00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:34,220 "..tell me your most exciting exploit, 429 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:36,780 "and I'll write it up in the Saturday Evening Post 430 00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:38,860 "and we'll get the British a bit of publicity." 431 00:27:40,140 --> 00:27:42,540 Roald would be there, 432 00:27:42,540 --> 00:27:46,660 looking very young and handsome at the time. 433 00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:48,700 Of course, in uniform. 434 00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:55,500 So we went out to lunch, and... 435 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:57,620 I remember we had roast duck. 436 00:27:58,860 --> 00:28:01,660 And he was trying to take notes and eat this bloody duck 437 00:28:01,660 --> 00:28:04,620 at the same time, you know, and he couldn't do it. 438 00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:07,540 And I said, "Well, why don't I scribble it down for you 439 00:28:07,540 --> 00:28:09,220 "this evening in sort of a rough way, 440 00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:12,020 "and then you can put it right when I send it to you?" 441 00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:14,860 And he said, "Ooh, that would be super." 442 00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:17,100 "Would you do that?" And I said, "Of course I will." 443 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,740 So we finished our duck, and I went home that evening 444 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:23,700 and I wrote the thing out and sent it to him. 445 00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:27,740 And I got a letter back, about a week later, 446 00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:31,340 saying, "I asked for notes, not a finished story. 447 00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:32,780 "I didn't touch it." 448 00:28:32,780 --> 00:28:35,380 The Saturday Evening Post had bought it at once for $1,000, 449 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:36,580 the agent takes 10%. 450 00:28:36,580 --> 00:28:40,220 Here's my cheque for 900 bucks, you see. Amazing stuff. Superb. 451 00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:43,100 I thought, my God, it can't be as easy as all that! 452 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:46,140 If they hadn't had such a good lunch, 453 00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:48,140 and had so much in common to talk about... 454 00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:52,220 Who knows? He might never have been a writer. 455 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:53,380 I don't know. 456 00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:57,060 But that was definitely a turning point. 457 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:00,540 Down once more, 458 00:29:00,540 --> 00:29:02,020 squirting lorries all along 459 00:29:02,020 --> 00:29:04,740 and watching the bullets making little flashes 460 00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:07,940 where they hit the metal, and throwing up little spurts of sand 461 00:29:07,940 --> 00:29:09,260 where they missed. 462 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,740 Time to be going now, up and home. 463 00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:19,700 Hell's bells! What was that? 464 00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:22,180 It felt like she was hit somewhere. 465 00:29:27,740 --> 00:29:30,820 Flying high, high above the Earth, 466 00:29:30,820 --> 00:29:32,660 gave him the feeling that he could write. 467 00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:34,340 It gave him something to write about, 468 00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:37,140 and that whole world of pilots, 469 00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:38,500 the sky, the air... 470 00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:43,300 The sort of sense of magic and escape, 471 00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:45,420 and almost entering a different world, 472 00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:47,460 like a world of his imagination... 473 00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:50,500 All figure very strongly in those first stories he wrote. 474 00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:04,140 I was met by Walt's number-one artist, 475 00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:06,940 and taken to the Beverly Hills Hotel, 476 00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:09,820 and after a bath and a shave 477 00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:12,620 was driven up to the studio and ushered up to Walt's room. 478 00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:19,700 The room itself is very magnificent, with sofa, arm chairs 479 00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:21,180 and a grand piano. 480 00:30:23,020 --> 00:30:25,060 Almost the first story that he wrote 481 00:30:25,060 --> 00:30:28,700 after Shot Down Over Libya was called Gremlin Law. 482 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:32,780 And this was a story about these little creatures, the gremlins, 483 00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:35,380 they were what the pilots and the engineers blamed 484 00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:38,060 for unexplained mechanical failures. 485 00:30:38,060 --> 00:30:41,020 Walt wanted to make a film of The Gremlins. 486 00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:49,780 I think, suddenly being next to Walt Disney in a studio SO famous... 487 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:54,060 Ah! I mean... Fantastic. 488 00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:55,820 Just fantastic. 489 00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:58,260 He would give me all his best artists to work with, 490 00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:00,420 and anything else I wanted. 491 00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:03,580 "Oh, and by the way, I've put a car at your disposal 492 00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:05,220 "for the whole time you're here." 493 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:10,580 I said, "Thank you very much," 494 00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:13,300 and followed him down to an enormous room where half a dozen 495 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:16,660 of his best artists were waiting with pencils poised 496 00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:19,860 to be told what a gremlin looked like. 497 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:23,820 Let me see. 498 00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:25,340 What do I think they look like? 499 00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:28,380 I always like people who have... 500 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:31,460 ..little horns... 501 00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:39,380 'Terrifying odds, terrifying situations, and you had to be... 502 00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:42,060 '..cool about it, you know.' 503 00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:44,860 What happened if somebody was killed? They "bought it", 504 00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:47,300 I think was the expression at the time. 505 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:50,780 Really, gremlins were a piece of fiction, if you like, 506 00:31:50,780 --> 00:31:54,820 they were a piece of mythology that could move that off, 507 00:31:54,820 --> 00:31:58,180 so you could talk about it but not have to talk about it with quite 508 00:31:58,180 --> 00:32:03,900 the drama or seriousness that it would actually have, I think. 509 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,220 ENGINE ROARS 510 00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:11,700 Every pilot knows what a gremlin is, 511 00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,700 and every one of them talks about gremlins every day. 512 00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:23,380 These little tykes with horns and a long tail, 513 00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:26,300 who walk about on the wings of our aircraft, 514 00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:28,740 boring holes in the fuselage. 515 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:31,780 SHRILL DRILLING 516 00:32:31,780 --> 00:32:32,780 TINKING 517 00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:35,060 And urinating in your fuse box. 518 00:32:35,060 --> 00:32:38,100 Well, the film got quite a long way into production, 519 00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:40,220 but the urgency to make the film fell away, 520 00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:41,740 from Disney's point of view, 521 00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:43,580 and, in fact, it never got finished. 522 00:32:43,580 --> 00:32:48,780 Disney published a book based on the drawings and illustrations that had 523 00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:52,340 inspired the animators, with Roald's original story. 524 00:32:57,180 --> 00:33:00,860 And so, with the help of the gremlins, 525 00:33:00,860 --> 00:33:03,460 a pilot was able to return to his flying. 526 00:33:05,140 --> 00:33:09,540 But he was only one of many hundreds who have come to know and understand 527 00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:13,260 the truth about these little people, 528 00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:15,860 who have learned to love them, 529 00:33:15,860 --> 00:33:18,100 to fear them, 530 00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:20,540 and respect them. 531 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,580 He is, indeed, an unhappy man 532 00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:25,380 who goes up into the sky to fight saying, 533 00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:29,340 "I do not believe in gremlins." 534 00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:35,420 MUSIC: James Bond Theme 535 00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:43,660 My first little book I wrote was called The Gremlins, 536 00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:46,140 which was bought by Walt Disney. 537 00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:52,860 And Eleanor Roosevelt read it to her grandchildren, 538 00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:56,900 and loved this book. And so I got invited to the White House. 539 00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:01,140 And we got to know each other a bit, you know, 540 00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:03,220 and I would go for weekends. 541 00:34:03,220 --> 00:34:07,620 FDR had...his country place was called Hyde Park, a vast place. 542 00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:09,100 And we used to go there. 543 00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:10,780 I got to know him. 544 00:34:12,140 --> 00:34:17,060 I was only a young chap of 26 in an RAF uniform, 545 00:34:17,060 --> 00:34:19,220 and I had no business around there, really. 546 00:34:19,220 --> 00:34:21,540 Didn't I read that you were a spy? 547 00:34:21,540 --> 00:34:22,900 HE LAUGHS 548 00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:25,100 No, that's an ugly word. 549 00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:26,980 Spy! 550 00:34:26,980 --> 00:34:31,460 No, I did. I worked for British...SIS, yes, 551 00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:34,660 the last half of the war, when I was injured and couldn't fly. 552 00:34:34,660 --> 00:34:36,580 Sure I did. Yeah. 553 00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:46,700 We were going to have a picnic lunch in the garden with Franklin. 554 00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:53,100 At one o'clock, an old Ford car came bouncing over the grass, 555 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:56,220 driving furiously, with two other cars, 556 00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:59,260 full of the toughest looking thugs I've ever seen, in hot pursuit. 557 00:35:00,340 --> 00:35:03,060 The President was driving the old Ford, 558 00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:06,380 which is especially built so that the throttle and the clutch, 559 00:35:06,380 --> 00:35:08,980 and everything else, can be operated with his hands. 560 00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:14,060 In it was also Crown Princess Martha of Norway. 561 00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:19,380 The President was relaxing, and seemed to be enjoying himself. 562 00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:27,340 What he was doing was working in that very grey area 563 00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:31,380 where British interests and American interests did not mesh, 564 00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:34,580 and making sure that the British knew what was going on 565 00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:36,740 behind the scenes in America. 566 00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:39,900 ARCHIVE: Winston Churchill has crossed and recrossed the Atlantic 567 00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:44,500 to confer on strategy and to plan future offence, not defence. 568 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:46,620 When Roald discovered that the Americans 569 00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:49,820 were planning to destroy British civil aviation after the war, 570 00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:51,580 that definitely got to Churchill, 571 00:35:51,580 --> 00:35:55,380 who was... Roald was quite proud of the fact that Churchill was 572 00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:57,980 incandescent with rage when he read it. 573 00:35:57,980 --> 00:36:05,100 My job was to try to help Winston Churchill to get on with FDR. 574 00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:12,020 And tell Winston what was in the old boy's mind in America, you know. 575 00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:14,820 I was really not spying against the Americans, 576 00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:16,820 I was trying to create amity. 577 00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:24,860 So we move in very high circles. 578 00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:29,740 So bloody high that sometimes it's difficult to see the ground. 579 00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:41,380 There was this tall, good-looking RAF English guy. 580 00:36:41,380 --> 00:36:44,820 And the Americans, of course, love the English. 581 00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:47,140 So he had a ball. 582 00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:49,820 But, also, he was fascinated by the politics. 583 00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:53,860 He was definitely finding out information 584 00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:56,220 for the British government. 585 00:36:57,460 --> 00:36:58,620 That was exciting. 586 00:37:00,140 --> 00:37:01,500 So he was... 587 00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:05,260 He was the perfect spy, I think. 588 00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:07,660 MUSIC: James Bond Theme 589 00:37:07,660 --> 00:37:10,500 Roald met Ian Fleming when the two of them 590 00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:13,500 were working in intelligence in New York, 591 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:19,220 and thought he was good fun, he was naughty, he was dangerous, 592 00:37:19,220 --> 00:37:20,580 he had a bit of edge to him. 593 00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,700 Roald had no idea that he would later go on to write 594 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:26,180 all the James Bond books. 595 00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:29,540 Then in London they saw each other from time to time, 596 00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:31,020 and it was no surprise, 597 00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:33,540 when it came to writing a screenplay of You Only Live Twice, 598 00:37:33,540 --> 00:37:37,300 that the producers turned to Roald rather than someone else to write it. 599 00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:39,820 MUSIC: You Only Live Twice theme 600 00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:52,580 ARCHIVE: Did you have a certain number of things that you had to do? 601 00:37:52,580 --> 00:37:55,900 For example, Bond normally goes through three women in a film, 602 00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:57,940 doesn't he? How many women does he go through? 603 00:37:57,940 --> 00:37:59,980 I don't know what you mean by going through them. 604 00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:01,660 Well, he disposes of them, they get killed, 605 00:38:01,660 --> 00:38:03,260 they sacrifice themselves, you know? 606 00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:05,580 Yes. Are you up to ration? 607 00:38:05,580 --> 00:38:10,220 There's no question that you must stick to that sort of formula, 608 00:38:10,220 --> 00:38:11,580 I think. 609 00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:14,700 I asked that when I went in, first. 610 00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:17,260 They said, "Oh, yes." 611 00:38:18,780 --> 00:38:20,900 I said, "He wants a woman, doesn't he? 612 00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:23,900 "To chase around and fall in love with," 613 00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:26,660 and they said, "Well, three would be better!" 614 00:38:28,060 --> 00:38:31,140 MUSIC: You Only Live Twice theme 615 00:38:36,820 --> 00:38:39,420 Action! I'm a spy. 616 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:41,660 I know that. 617 00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:52,580 He had a pretty devastating effect on women. 618 00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:56,140 I remember speaking to one person and she just said he was 619 00:38:56,140 --> 00:38:58,500 the most attractive man in Washington. 620 00:38:59,780 --> 00:39:03,180 He was 6'6" tall, he had these matinee idol looks, 621 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:04,580 he was in uniform. 622 00:39:04,580 --> 00:39:07,060 He was, you know, a serving officer. 623 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:12,700 These famous actresses, these beautiful models, 624 00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:16,980 these wealthy, influential beauties, they wanted to sleep with him. 625 00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:20,500 He was perfectly happy to do that. 626 00:39:30,060 --> 00:39:33,060 I remember a twinkle in his eye about Ginger Rogers. 627 00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:38,140 I drove out to have dinner with Ginger Rogers. 628 00:39:39,860 --> 00:39:41,020 Very nice girl. 629 00:39:45,980 --> 00:39:48,980 But then it's also interesting that he gives it up. 630 00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:51,940 FILM NARRATOR: The kind of woman who could enslave any man. 631 00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:53,180 Except one. 632 00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:59,100 Patricia Neal was a very celebrated stage actress at that point. 633 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:01,700 She'd been in successful movies like The Fountainhead, 634 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,340 and The Day The Earth Stood Still. 635 00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:07,460 They're the kind of things that are, 636 00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:09,380 you know, a bit weird, a bit offbeat. 637 00:40:10,420 --> 00:40:15,540 Gort. Klaatu...barada...nikto. 638 00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:18,980 The two of them fell into a very easy relationship. 639 00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:20,620 They decided to get married, I think, 640 00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:23,060 because they felt they would make beautiful children. 641 00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:27,700 They were both, sort of, eager for marriage and it seemed a good bet. 642 00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:30,700 During this part of his life he started writing short stories, and 643 00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:33,020 is now an acknowledged master of the craft. 644 00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:35,260 Collections of his stories like Kiss Kiss 645 00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:38,940 and Someone Like You have become bestsellers all over the world. 646 00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:42,180 How do you arrive at these plots? 647 00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:45,380 I mean, what gives you the idea for a short story? 648 00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:49,100 Obviously, the spark has got to come from something you see... Yes. 649 00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:51,900 ..somewhere, or something you hear. It's got to. 650 00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:56,220 She carried the meat into the kitchen, placed it in a pan, 651 00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:59,100 turned to the oven on high and shoved it inside. 652 00:41:00,580 --> 00:41:03,140 Then she washed her hands, ran upstairs to the bedroom. 653 00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:07,580 She sat down before the mirror, tidied her hair, 654 00:41:07,580 --> 00:41:09,500 touched up her lips and face. 655 00:41:11,740 --> 00:41:13,700 She tried to smile. 656 00:41:15,860 --> 00:41:17,660 It came out rather peculiar. 657 00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:24,700 It made very good television, 658 00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:27,460 which lots of people got to know in the 1970s 659 00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:29,940 as Roald Dahl's Tales Of The Unexpected. 660 00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:36,180 I ought to warn you, if you haven't read any of my stories, that you may 661 00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:38,580 be a little disturbed by some of the things that happen in them. 662 00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:42,420 He'd spot a, sort of, psychological situation 663 00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:46,740 and then insert a pretty convoluted plot, say, 664 00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:51,220 like a woman murders her husband with, you know, 665 00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:55,580 with a frozen leg of lamb and then serves...then cooks the leg of lamb 666 00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:57,700 and serves it to the police officers, for lunch, 667 00:41:57,700 --> 00:41:59,740 who are looking for the murder weapon. 668 00:41:59,740 --> 00:42:01,740 It's just a matter of looking. 669 00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:03,220 Find the weapon, find the man. 670 00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:05,420 Hello, hello, who's putting in for promotion, eh? 671 00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:08,300 So many of them are... 672 00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:13,780 ..husbands treating their wives badly. 673 00:42:13,780 --> 00:42:15,820 I mean, I find that rather interesting, 674 00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:19,820 because he's so often accused of not liking women, you know, 675 00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:22,300 which was quite the reverse! 676 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:28,180 When I walked into his house for the first time, it was filled with women. 677 00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:31,980 He had daughters, stepdaughters, you know, a wife. 678 00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:33,140 He had sisters. 679 00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:35,420 They were... It was this one man, 680 00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:39,180 almost like a lion surrounded by a pack of lionesses. 681 00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:42,180 He preferred the company of women to the company of men, 682 00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:44,100 funnily enough. 683 00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:47,260 And I think he got on with them better than he got on with men. 684 00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:55,700 Your own story itself is stranger than fiction, isn't it? 685 00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:57,740 I mean, it really is a remarkable story. 686 00:42:57,740 --> 00:42:59,700 I mean, one minute you're a successful writer, 687 00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:03,020 you're married to a beautiful film star, Patricia Neal, 688 00:43:03,020 --> 00:43:05,260 and then a series of accidents, a chain of tragedies, 689 00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:07,340 that are absolutely extraordinary... 690 00:43:07,340 --> 00:43:09,940 Let's talk about Theo, your boy. 691 00:43:09,940 --> 00:43:12,460 What were the sequence of events leading to that? 692 00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:16,540 When he was a baby, his nurse pushed his pram into a taxi in New York, 693 00:43:16,540 --> 00:43:20,820 and he got severe head injuries, which developed into hydrocephalus. 694 00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:23,580 It's too much cerebrospinal fluid in the ventricles, 695 00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:26,300 and you get pressure in there. 696 00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:29,860 Your brain suffers damage unless you are very swift and quick 697 00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:32,820 to relieve the pressure, and then you have to... 698 00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:37,740 This was 16 years ago, and they did have a shunt, 699 00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:40,300 or a tube with a valve in it, 700 00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:44,980 where you could take...drain the fluid out of the ventricle and down 701 00:43:44,980 --> 00:43:48,700 and put it in the place you hoped it would be all right in. 702 00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:53,100 But they weren't very competent, the shunts they had in those days. 703 00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,980 He had to keep going back and having new operations. 704 00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:59,420 He had five. Because the shunts kept blocking, and I said, "Well, I mean, 705 00:43:59,420 --> 00:44:01,980 "bugger this, we must be able to make a better shunt than this." 706 00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:08,340 And so I thought of a lovely man who 707 00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:13,420 I knew was an inventor, who I'd been flying model aeroplanes with. 708 00:44:13,420 --> 00:44:15,540 Stanley Wade, his name was, in Wickham. 709 00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:19,900 Well, who was Stanley Wade, then? 710 00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:22,300 He was a very skilled engineer 711 00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:25,380 who was very interested in model aircraft. 712 00:44:25,380 --> 00:44:30,100 And what I'd admired so much about him was that, instead of buying 713 00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:34,260 these tiny model aeroplane engines, he made them all himself. 714 00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:37,020 He turned them in his workshop. 715 00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:39,300 I said, "How about you doing this?" 716 00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:42,020 He's an eccentric fellow, with nothing much to do, and he said, 717 00:44:42,020 --> 00:44:43,260 "Yes, all right." 718 00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:45,940 So the actual thing he used in a brain would be very much smaller? 719 00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:47,140 Yes. 720 00:44:47,140 --> 00:44:49,740 And the tolerances that he was working to were probably 721 00:44:49,740 --> 00:44:52,820 plus or minus 1/1,000th of an inch. 722 00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:56,140 And if you don't have good tolerances like that in something like a valve, 723 00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:57,460 it's just not going to work. 724 00:44:57,460 --> 00:45:02,780 We had the enormous advantage of the head of neurosurgery at Great Ormond Street, 725 00:45:02,780 --> 00:45:07,140 Kenneth Till, was a tremendous co-operator in this, you see. 726 00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:09,900 And he told me exactly what was wanted, and I told Stanley, 727 00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:12,340 and Stanley slaved away over his thing and we... 728 00:45:12,340 --> 00:45:16,340 He, you know, he really did it, not me. 729 00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:20,020 ENGINE HUMS 730 00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:25,900 Who was going to think like that? 731 00:45:27,340 --> 00:45:32,140 And what doctor would actually listen to him and think, 732 00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:34,420 "Well, that's quite a good idea, let's have a go"? 733 00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:37,460 You know... That, to me... 734 00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:40,100 Well, he never gave up. 735 00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:46,780 He really believed that Theo could... 736 00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:52,300 ..have a normal childhood and become... 737 00:45:53,340 --> 00:45:55,300 ...a good person, 738 00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:56,980 which, indeed, Theo is. 739 00:46:00,260 --> 00:46:03,100 Saves the lives of thousands of kids all over the world. 740 00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:05,740 He made sure it was never sold for profit. 741 00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:10,620 That's just the kind of way he looked at a difficult situation. 742 00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:13,700 "Well, what, practically, can one do to think one's way out of it?" 743 00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:19,100 Sadly, Theo's accident was just the beginning, you know, 744 00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:22,540 two years after, that his eldest daughter died 745 00:46:22,540 --> 00:46:25,460 from meningitis following measles. 746 00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:30,340 Eventually he picked himself up, 747 00:46:30,340 --> 00:46:34,180 only to have, three years later, another disaster, 748 00:46:34,180 --> 00:46:38,300 which was that Pat suddenly struck down by the most terrible stroke, 749 00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:41,340 while making a movie in LA. 750 00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:47,060 When she woke up from consciousness, she could neither speak nor, 751 00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:49,900 of course, read or write or walk, 752 00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:53,460 having a good deal of paralysis down the right side. 753 00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:58,740 I was out for two and a half weeks, I think. 754 00:46:59,860 --> 00:47:06,060 And the first thing I remember is singing songs. 755 00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:11,940 And I was in the hospital, I think, a month altogether. 756 00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:20,220 And then Roald, my husband, took me out one night. 757 00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:26,140 And then I started trying to get well. 758 00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:28,420 But I'm not well. 759 00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:32,460 I must spend a year and hope to get well at that time. 760 00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:35,740 My mother was three months pregnant with me 761 00:47:35,740 --> 00:47:37,740 when she had three massive strokes. 762 00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:41,380 She had just won the Oscar for Best Actress 763 00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:45,660 for Hud with Paul Newman, so she was at the top of her career. 764 00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:48,740 She could not walk, she couldn't talk, she couldn't read, 765 00:47:48,740 --> 00:47:49,860 she couldn't write. 766 00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:52,580 He was determined that he was going to get his wife back. 767 00:47:52,580 --> 00:47:56,620 And so he flew everybody back to...the whole family back 768 00:47:56,620 --> 00:48:01,140 to England, and he got everybody in the village in Great Missenden, 769 00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:07,300 all his friends and volunteers, teaching her how to move her hands, 770 00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:10,620 how to walk, and really, Mum and I learned 771 00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:13,220 how to walk and talk together. 772 00:48:14,540 --> 00:48:17,980 And what about words, as well? She obviously had a vocabulary, 773 00:48:17,980 --> 00:48:20,020 a retained memory? She didn't have any, no. 774 00:48:20,020 --> 00:48:23,220 When she started to pick up words, she made them up. 775 00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:24,780 She, she used to... 776 00:48:24,780 --> 00:48:26,620 When she used to say, wanted to say... 777 00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:29,260 I made a whole list of them once and I don't know where they are. 778 00:48:29,260 --> 00:48:31,820 She used to want to say, "You drive me crazy," 779 00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:34,460 she used to say, "You jake my diagles." 780 00:48:34,460 --> 00:48:36,860 Which is a splendid phrase, you know. 781 00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:39,020 I had all my words mixed up. 782 00:48:39,020 --> 00:48:41,500 I said words that didn't exist. 783 00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:46,340 She used to call a dry martini a red screwdriver. 784 00:48:46,340 --> 00:48:48,900 Now I talk properly, I hope! 785 00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:51,500 I think Dad thought, "Wow," you know, "There is, 786 00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:55,340 "there's a whole other vocabulary here that hasn't been explored, 787 00:48:55,340 --> 00:48:58,180 "but I could have a little bit of fun with," which he did, 788 00:48:58,180 --> 00:48:59,940 in the Big Friendly Giant. 789 00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:03,660 "I is not a very know-all giant, myself. 790 00:49:03,660 --> 00:49:08,740 "But it seems to me that you is an absolutely know-nothing human bean. 791 00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:11,300 "Your brain's full of rotten wool." 792 00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:14,980 "You mean cotton wool?" Sophie said. 793 00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:18,540 "What I mean and what I say 794 00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:23,020 "is two different things," the BFG announced, rather grandly. 795 00:49:24,980 --> 00:49:26,740 Please don't eat me! 796 00:49:26,740 --> 00:49:32,100 You think because I'm a giant that I'm a man-gobbling canniable? 797 00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:33,820 HE LAUGHS 798 00:49:33,820 --> 00:49:35,340 Aar. 799 00:49:42,140 --> 00:49:43,460 That's a good onion, isn't it? 800 00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:47,500 I grew 100 of these this year. 801 00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:53,260 We've just dug them up, and they're drying out now. 802 00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:58,380 I wouldn't live anywhere else except in the country. 803 00:49:58,380 --> 00:50:00,740 Here. I've never lived in the city. 804 00:50:02,780 --> 00:50:06,460 And, of course, if you live in the country, 805 00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:10,060 your work is bound to be influenced by it. 806 00:50:10,060 --> 00:50:11,540 I suppose the most... 807 00:50:12,940 --> 00:50:15,220 The one that was most dependent, 808 00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:17,980 purely on this countryside around here, 809 00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:20,420 is Danny, The Champion Of The World. 810 00:50:23,220 --> 00:50:27,420 Except for the swift fluttering of its wings, the hawk remained 811 00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:29,980 absolutely motionless in the sky. 812 00:50:31,940 --> 00:50:35,540 It seemed to be suspended by some invisible thread, 813 00:50:35,540 --> 00:50:38,500 like a toy bird hanging from the ceiling. 814 00:50:39,820 --> 00:50:44,180 Then, suddenly, it folded its wings 815 00:50:44,180 --> 00:50:47,460 and plummeted towards the earth at an incredible speed. 816 00:50:48,540 --> 00:50:53,140 Oh, this was a sight that always thrilled me. 817 00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:59,660 Dad knew every little nook and cranny of our village. 818 00:50:59,660 --> 00:51:01,460 He knew every rabbit hole. 819 00:51:01,460 --> 00:51:03,860 He knew every mole hole. 820 00:51:03,860 --> 00:51:07,380 He knew... He knew everything about it and he loved it. 821 00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:09,820 He had great admiration for all of it. 822 00:51:09,820 --> 00:51:12,500 My father learned about the countryside because he had 823 00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:14,460 a great friend that he met in the '40s 824 00:51:14,460 --> 00:51:17,220 when he first moved to our village in Great Missenden, 825 00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:18,700 called Claude Taylor. 826 00:51:22,540 --> 00:51:23,820 Claude taught me everything. 827 00:51:25,340 --> 00:51:28,100 His knowledge of the habits of wild animals, 828 00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:32,540 be they rats or pheasants or hares, was very great. 829 00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:38,060 And he was happiest when he was out in the woods, in the dead of night. 830 00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:45,180 I think Claude gave him a lot of inspiration 831 00:51:45,180 --> 00:51:50,020 for Danny, Champion Of The World, 832 00:51:50,020 --> 00:51:52,020 Ah, Sweet Mystery Of Life, 833 00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:54,260 Fantastic Mr Fox... 834 00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:57,540 He liked the way they cheated, 835 00:51:57,540 --> 00:52:02,220 the way they out did the wealthy farmers, 836 00:52:04,260 --> 00:52:11,140 who probably treated them quite badly, and they had devious ways of 837 00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:13,220 feeding their family. 838 00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:17,340 I think the idea of poaching pheasants by feeding them raisins 839 00:52:17,340 --> 00:52:21,540 with mashed up sleeping pills inside them was undoubtedly Roald's idea. 840 00:52:21,540 --> 00:52:27,060 He did it with Claude Taylor, but it's a totally, totally Dahl idea. 841 00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:30,300 BIRD SQUAWKS 842 00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:32,060 This is ideal for pheasants. 843 00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:33,780 This is just where they like. 844 00:52:33,780 --> 00:52:36,580 There's a nice bit of thick cover there for them to go into, 845 00:52:36,580 --> 00:52:39,660 out of sight of predators, and some nice open spaces for them. 846 00:52:41,820 --> 00:52:43,620 Is this Roald? Or Claude? 847 00:52:43,620 --> 00:52:45,260 This is Roald. 848 00:52:45,260 --> 00:52:47,540 I can't remember what Claude looks like. 849 00:52:47,540 --> 00:52:50,540 Do you know what he looks like? I think he was more... He was butcher, 850 00:52:50,540 --> 00:52:52,140 I think he was quite a big man. Yes. 851 00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:56,860 But it's lovely to draw these things in the dark. 852 00:52:56,860 --> 00:53:01,020 What is very nice and very atmospheric is to do that torchlight 853 00:53:01,020 --> 00:53:03,900 in the middle of the darkness. 854 00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:05,340 Here's a little... 855 00:53:06,380 --> 00:53:08,180 ..little drugged pheasant. 856 00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:10,660 Not quite flying. 857 00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:14,140 This is a typical tree that they'd roost in. 858 00:53:14,140 --> 00:53:17,660 And the poachers know that, probably better than we do. 859 00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:18,660 GULPING 860 00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:23,500 They gobble the raisins, 861 00:53:24,460 --> 00:53:25,820 then feel sleepy, 862 00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:29,540 then go up to roost. 863 00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:35,820 And then the little buggers sleep so hard that they fall off their bough, 864 00:53:35,820 --> 00:53:37,260 and we catch 'em on the way down. 865 00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:45,180 I look at it this way, if anyone poached me, 866 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:46,820 that's how I'd like it to be done. 867 00:53:49,780 --> 00:53:53,460 He and Claude got up to these tricks in the early 1950s, 868 00:53:53,460 --> 00:53:56,380 and then you see it, more than 20 years later, 869 00:53:56,380 --> 00:53:59,460 it comes out in Danny, The Champion Of The World. 870 00:53:59,460 --> 00:54:03,260 One of the things he liked about the movie version of that was that 871 00:54:03,260 --> 00:54:09,180 it caught the...the delight in simple pleasures of the countryside. 872 00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:13,420 And it has a very cosy, simple, warm heart to it. 873 00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:18,300 What do you think we should do with them, Danny? 874 00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:23,780 Let them go. 875 00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:26,300 Well said, lad. 876 00:54:27,860 --> 00:54:31,540 I just have that feeling that in some ways, in the children's books, 877 00:54:31,540 --> 00:54:36,420 or in some places in the children's books, he was able to express 878 00:54:36,420 --> 00:54:40,660 feelings that he wouldn't have expressed coldly, as in... 879 00:54:40,660 --> 00:54:44,780 just like that, I think. So you come to it innocently, 880 00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:48,180 in a children's book, and, in a way, 881 00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:53,860 I think it gave him a bigger gamut of emotional feelings 882 00:54:53,860 --> 00:54:55,740 than he might have done anyway. 883 00:55:03,460 --> 00:55:08,020 Dear Mama, we are planning a gigantic fire balloon, 884 00:55:08,020 --> 00:55:12,340 to be 18 feet high and 12 feet wide. 885 00:55:14,140 --> 00:55:16,380 It should lift at least one boy. 886 00:55:20,260 --> 00:55:25,300 Huge sheets of tissue paper cut into sections, 887 00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:27,100 and then you glued them together, 888 00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:33,900 you'd paste...with glue, and then at the end, 889 00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:36,980 he had a little round tin with methylated spirit... 890 00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:39,940 Cotton wool soaked in methylated spirit, and that was tied on, 891 00:55:39,940 --> 00:55:41,940 you know, like a parachute. 892 00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:47,220 And then that was lit and it filled the tissue paper balloon. 893 00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:54,820 We did it from our garden, and there are fields all around. 894 00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:58,660 And we would just watch in awe every single time. 895 00:55:58,660 --> 00:56:00,300 We would say, "Look at it! Look at it! 896 00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:02,340 Look at it go! Do you think it's going to go left? 897 00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:05,140 Do you think it's going to go right? Will it go backwards? 898 00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:06,980 Which way d'you you think it's going to go? 899 00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:09,420 And then the light would go further and further 900 00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:11,220 and further away until it would fade away. 901 00:56:13,420 --> 00:56:17,260 Both a man, a father and a mother, 902 00:56:17,260 --> 00:56:19,820 should be sparky with their children, 903 00:56:19,820 --> 00:56:23,460 and invent things and go places with them, you know, and... 904 00:56:23,460 --> 00:56:27,300 Make bows and arrows or balloons, I don't know what. 905 00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:30,260 But you have to do things with your children. 906 00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:37,980 On looking back, 907 00:56:37,980 --> 00:56:43,940 I think he knew his life was not going to be very much longer. 908 00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:48,580 The Minpins, it was his swansong, I think. 909 00:56:48,580 --> 00:56:54,980 The thought of being able to get on the back of a bird and fly, what... 910 00:56:56,340 --> 00:57:02,340 ..what... Nothing more wonderful could a child wish for, than that. 911 00:57:02,340 --> 00:57:06,060 There was a brightness like sunlight below them. 912 00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:13,820 And little Billy could see a vast lake of water, gloriously blue, 913 00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:15,500 and on the surface of the lake, 914 00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:20,300 thousands of swans were swimming slowly about. 915 00:57:22,140 --> 00:57:25,980 The pure white of the swans against the blue of the water 916 00:57:27,340 --> 00:57:28,620 was very beautiful. 917 00:57:32,740 --> 00:57:37,180 It was...it was surprising to me, 918 00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:40,780 when he wasn't there any longer. 919 00:57:40,780 --> 00:57:43,940 Because he seemed kind of battered, 920 00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:47,060 but as though he would go on and on. 921 00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:50,060 So it was something of a shock when... 922 00:57:50,060 --> 00:57:52,340 when he wasn't there any longer. 923 00:57:52,340 --> 00:57:55,460 But, at the same time, I think he's still there. 924 00:57:55,460 --> 00:57:59,300 I mean, he's very present for everybody, really, I think. 925 00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:05,980 There's a wonderful quote at the end of The Minpins, 926 00:58:05,980 --> 00:58:08,260 one of Dad's stories, and it says, 927 00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:12,260 "If you don't believe in magic, you will never find it." 928 00:58:13,940 --> 00:58:18,700 His spirit was so large, and so big, um... 929 00:58:20,260 --> 00:58:21,700 It might sound a bit mad, 930 00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:24,460 but because he taught us to believe in magic, 931 00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:27,740 I feel like, in some magical way, he's always with me. 932 00:58:27,740 --> 00:58:28,740 SHE LAUGHS 77311

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