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Narrator: Tonight...

I want the truth.

Narrator:
...A beautiful woman
mysteriously vanishes

Into the night.

It was just kind of a strange
set of circumstances.

Narrator:
Weeks later, her body washes
ashore along the chesapeake bay,

Bringing with it
unanswered questions.

How does it take 23 days for
her body to end up on the rocks?

There could definitely be
something sinister

Going on here.

Narrator:
Was her death the result
of a tragic accident?

Or was it murder?

He was almost obsessed
with my mom.

The affair really put him
in a dark place.

Yeah.

Narrator: Private investigator
derrick levasseur...

Something just doesn't
add up here.

Narrator:
...Journeys to kent island,
maryland,

To uncover new evidence...

I think he screwed up.

Narrator:
...To find out what happened
to robin pope.

How did robin end up
in the water?

Did she fall in?
Did she jump in?

Or was she pushed in?

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♪

So I'm heading over
to kent island right now

To look into
the death of robin pope.

Robin pope's death is a mystery

That no one's
been able to solve.

Levasseur:
Robin was 51 years old.

She was loved by her daughters

And very popular
with all of her friends.

She had recently beaten cancer,

Started hitting
the gym really hard,

And had this whole new positive
outlook on life.

But tragically,
on the night of March 1, 2013,

Her husband of 20 years,

Wayne pope, returned home
to find both robin

And their great dane missing.

Robin's car was still
in the driveway.

The dog's body washed up
two days later

And only two houses down,

But they didn't find robin's
body until three weeks later

And 3/4 mile down shore.

This weekend, police identified
a body found in the water along

Kent island as 51-year-old
robin pope.

And now the questions
are pouring in --

"how did she die,"
and "did someone kill her?"

Levasseur:
The residents here have been
trying to piece together

What happened to robin
that night.

Was it an accident?

Or was it, like many people
think, a murder?

♪

♪

Priscilla, I wanted to thank you
for meeting with me today.

I clearly wish it was under
better circumstances, um,

But as you know, I'm here
looking into your --

Your mother's death.

Tell me the type of woman
she was.

So, my mom
was a beautiful soul.

She worked
really hard.

I remember when I was young,
she had two or three jobs

All the time
to support us.

She was a single mom.

And she made life amazing,
even though we had nothing.

We were very,
very close.

Even though I was 3,000 miles
away, I'd call her all the time.

Now, what's your
relationship with wayne?

Wayne came into
the picture, I was like, 7.

Mm-hmm.

They got married, I believe,
in the first year,

And he became
my stepfather.

Wayne and robin, they were
married for approximately

20 years?
-Yes.

What was their relationship
like in the beginning?

The beginning was great.

He was very attentive.

He was a fun-loving,
funny guy

And seemed like
a great addition, at first.

We moved in,
almost immediately,

And he was there for her
for everything.

He was almost obsessed
with my mom.

Levasseur: But 20 years into
the relationship,

Their marriage fell apart.

Wayne discovered that robin
was seeing someone else

And soon after,
she moved out of their home.

The day that wayne took
my mom's phone by accident

To work with him,
he actually called me

And said that he had found
out that she was cheating.

What was his behavior
like in that phone call?

I would think that would've
been something...

Passive about it,
just like,

"so, uh, looks like
your mom's cheating on me.

Guess we're, uh,
gonna split up."

Just very strange.

Wayne just calls you
and he says,

"listen, your mom's
been cheating on me."

So, your next call is to her and
what is that conversation like?

Just very sorry.

You could tell it was something
that she felt really bad about,

But she couldn't help,
she wasn't

In love with wayne
anymore.

When wayne learned
of the affair,

How did his behavior
change, if at all?

Um, completely.

It was just
constant rage.

How did your mom react
to this behavior?

Was she --
was she afraid?

Mom wasn't
scared of anything.

Especially not a man.

How do you cope
with your mom's death?

Do you feel like there's still
that unanswered question,

"what happened?"

Now, I cope by knowing that,
maybe we are close,

Maybe we can get answers,
maybe there is closure coming.

And just gotta move on,
keep fighting like she would do.

Well, I can
promise you this,

I'm going to come in
with a fresh perspective

And maybe get you the closure
that you're looking for.

♪

Levasseur: First up, I'm heading
to the marina

To meet with
sergeant dave sexton.

-Dave, how's it going?
-Hey, how are you?

Levasseur:
He investigated robin's death

And interviewed
the main person of interest,

Wayne pope.

Sexton: I sat down with wayne
for probably two hours.

There was some suspicious
activity from the --

From the husband.

It was just kind of a strange
set of circumstances.

The night that
she went missing,

She was in annapolis
with a friend.

They had
a couple drinks.

About 9:30,
almost 10:00,

She makes her way
across the bay bridge.

And she's
texting her husband,

"hey, I need to get
some things from the house."

She wanted to get some mail,
she wanted to see the dog,

Bella,
a large great dane.

What we think is,
she made it to the --

To the house about 10:30,
and for some reason,

You know, the husband says
he fell asleep,

Uh, about 11:30,
wakes up,

Goes out to the front
of the house

And see that her car's there.

Walks over to the car,
knocks on the door, she's there.

He says she's, uh, sleeping or
had dozed off, just like he did.

How could you fall asleep
within 15 --

You knew she was gonna
be there in 15 minutes

And you fell asleep
for an hour?

I said, "that just doesn't
add up to me."

Right.

And then, knocks on the door,
tells her,

"hey, um,
I'm gonna leave.

Your stuff's inside,
bella's inside.

I'm going to my parents."

You know, "do whatever
you need to do

And then I'll be back later on."

Levasseur:
Wayne says that he left home
and drove to his parents' house

But didn't go inside.

He just switched his car
for his truck,

Which he said he needed
for the next day.

On his way back to his house,
he bought a cup of coffee

At a convenience store,
and then he went home.

Doesn't see her inside the car.

But inside the car is her phone,
her purse,

Keys to the car is there.

He calls 9-1-1
and then we become involved.

Levasseur:
When robin's great dane, bella,
is found dead two days later

Close to a neighbor's pier,

The police, along with
robin's family and friends,

Organize
a massive search for robin.

Three weeks later,
a local fisherman discovered

Robin's remains.

She was located 3/4 mile
down shore

From where the dog was found.

It's a long time in the water.
What's her --

What's the condition
of the body like, at that point?

Her condition of her body
was -- was bad.

The medical examiner
basically said,

"she has no signs of injury
prior to death.

She has no blunt force trauma,
no stabbings, she wasn't shot."

The only thing
that we can tell you

Is that
she may have drowned.

Because she was in the water
for 23 days,

That's all they can say.
-Right.

Decomposition had started to
kick in at that point.

What was she wearing when she
arrived at wayne pope's house?

Uh, she was wearing jeans, um,
and also, uh, a blouse

That actually washed up
on shore couple days

After the dog was found.

And I believe it was inside-out
when they found it.

-Inside-out?
-Yeah.

The chain of events, I can see
why you as an investigator

Would look at this
and go,

"something just
doesn't add up here."

We speculate that maybe,
did he make her wait outside

And she's knocking on the --
on the door,

"come on, wayne, I just talked
to you 15 minutes ago.

What's going on?"

He brings the dog out.
-Mm-hmm.

And then he -- they walk
to the pier and he's like,

"yeah, here's your dog,"
and throws the dog...

Yeah, you want the dog,
go get her.

And she didn't even
take her heels off.

So, something happened
that was instantaneous thing

That made her
go in the water.

The other possible option here,
right, which is that

This was a complete accident,
where she decides,

I've missed the dog,
he left for a little bit,

I'm gonna take her
for a quick walk.

They go out there and somehow,
the dog falls in the water

And she goes after her and...
-You know, you go off a pier

And you're in
nine feet of water.

And that cold water
hits your body

And then
you're kind of

Disoriented, you don't
know where you are.

You're trying
to save this dog.

That could be something
that happened.

♪

Levasseur:
In order to get a fuller picture
of this puzzle,

I need to see where
this accident or crime happened.

Tell me a little bit about
kent island.

Lot of families,
lot of summer homes.

People that,
uh, like the water,

'cause they're right next
to the bay.

Kind of
a quiet community.

♪

As you can see,
the bay is right here.

You know, this is pretty much
how it looked, uh,

The time
of her disappearance.

♪

Right here, this red brick
house that's coming up

Was the pope residence.

As you can see, it's got a --
a pier right off the --

Oh, that's the actual pier
right there.

That's the actual pier
right there.

♪

♪

So, lay it out for me,

In relation
to where we are right now.

So, like I said, the pope's
house is -- is that way,

Two piers down
from the pope house

Is where, uh, bella was
found, the dog was found.

And then, probably about
3/4 mile this way, uh,

Is where robin's body
was found 23 days later.

23 days.

Interesting.

How did robin end up
in the water?

Did she fall in?
Did she jump in?

Or was she pushed in?

Narrator:
Coming up...

I happened to look down
and realized what I was seeing

Was her legs and lower body
sticking out from under a rock.

Narrator: And later...

Wayne said, "did you realize
that your fiance's

Having an affair with my wife?"

♪

♪

Levasseur:
I've come to kent island
to try to piece together

The details surrounding
the death of robin pope

And to figure out whether this
was a tragic accident or murder.

Sergeant sexton sent me
a copy

Of the police
reports this morning,

And I'm discovering
some interesting details.

The record of texts
between robin and wayne

That night lead right up
until she arrived at his house.

At approximately,
let's say, 11:00 p.M.

It looks like,
"can I get my mail?"

And then there's another text
message sent right after that.

"wayne, I would like to get
my mail while I'm here."

This is when she would've
arrived at the house.

What's interesting is --
is he never replies,

So you can make -- you can make
the assumption that he was --

He was sleeping, that's his
alibi, he was out cold.

Or the reason he didn't respond

Is because he ended up
opening the door for her

Because it was -- there was
no other exchange after that.

I got some crime scene
photos here

And the reason
I'm focusing on these

Is because,
in the text messages,

Robin was adamant
about getting her mail.

And yet, here's her mail
piled up

On some type of table
inside the house.

And I think it's reasonable
to assume that either,

A, she -- she never went
in the house

Or, b, when she went into the
house, something else took place

And she wasn't able to --
to grab it before she left.

It doesn't look like it's thrown
on the floor

Or anything like that.

Levasseur:
There were no obvious signs
of struggle inside the house,

But after the night
robin disappeared,

Wayne did have a large bruise
and some scratches on his side.

His response for how he received
this was, when he found

Bella, he tried
to pull her out of the water

By leaning on to the pier,

And that's how he received
this abrasion.

I mean, he's -- he's telling
the cops what happened,

But I'll tell you this much,
having any type of abrasion

On your body days after your --

Your wife has gone missing,
not the position

I'd want to be in,
that's for sure.

Dispatcher:
And what's the address?

He sounded very sincere.

He called the police,

He made them aware
of the situation,

He didn't really fumble around.

He was calm, collected.

The only thing, said he had
no clue what she was wearing,

But according to wayne,
he saw her before he left.

♪

Levasseur: I have a good picture
of the night

Robin went missing,
but I want to get a better sense

Of what happened the day
her body was discovered.

A fisherman found her 3/4 mile
further down shore

And nearly
three weeks after her dog

Bella washed
on to a neighbor's rocks.

Wall: I came over
to visit my daughter.

We'd tried to talk about
going fishing.

It was a little cold,
it was a nice day,

I mean, it was probably like
50 or 60 degrees for March

And that was just nice.

We settled on the dock,
probably about an hour,

Hour and 1/2
fishing.

And I happened
to look down

And that arrowhead-shaped
rock right there.

There was something
under the rock.

I couldn't tell
what it was at first.

But then I looked closer
and I realized what I was seeing

Was her legs and lower body
sticking out from under a rock.

Unfortunately,
her head and her arms,

Were under the rock.

It was a little bit lower tide,
I think, at the time.

So, you see the body,
what's your next reaction?

What do you do from there?
-Call my daughter over.

I got her out of here
before she saw anything.

Right.

And then I walked up
and started calling the police.

Never went down,
touched the body,

Never tried to remove the body,
anything like that?

No.

It -- I know
when the paramedics came,

They had to get a boat
out to come up,

Because some of the rocks
were still icy.

Do you know if,
at any point,

Wayne was notified
that they had found his wife?

I don't know.

Did you ever see
wayne come down here?

-I don't even know wayne.
-Let me ask you something.

Were you a pretty good swimmer?
-Yeah.

That time of year, March,
if I were here with you, right,

And we're both
pretty decent swimmers,

If we jumped off
robin pope's dock,

Which is the same length
as this one,

How successful would we be
at swimming back to shore

If we were really trying
to do it

And it was higher tide,
maybe eight, nine feet?

It would've
been no problem.

I mean, the cold would've
shocked you, but I'm --

I was a lifeguard,
and I'm a strong swimmer.

I would've made it back.
-No problem?

Unless I hit my head
or something like that,

I would've
made it back easy.

Levasseur:
I'm not finding many clues
at the spot

Where robin's body was found,

Although it is interesting
that kurt feels robin could've

Swum back to shore
from her own dock that night.

But bella, robin's dog,

Was found much closer to home
by their neighbor elaine.

Hi, elaine.
How you doing?

Derrick.

I had contractors
coming over for --

To give me a price
on landscaping

And we were walking
through the yard.

Walked out to the pier and
looked down and I found bella.

I notice that you got
a little emotional

When you were talking
about bella.

Were you -- were you really
familiar with the dog

Or was it just
your neighbor's dog?

She was like
the neighborhood dog,

But she was always at my house,
just coming over to say hi.

So, I immediately went across
my neighbor's yard,

Over to wayne and robin's house
and knocked on the door.

And he answered and I
was crying

And told him
I found bella on my rocks.

What's his initial reaction
right when you tell him?

There was none.

No reaction at all?

Upset, maybe like...

There was
no reaction.

He walked over with me and
looked down at her.

And as we were starting
to walk back, he said to me,

"it's worse than you know."
I didn't know what to think.

I'm thinking he's talking about
bella, that she was injured.

And I said, I didn't look
at her that close

Because I didn't wanna see --
see her.

And, um, he said,
"no, my wife

And my dog
went missing last night."

What I found odd, is he said,
"my wife and dog,"

Which he knew that I knew
robin and bella,

So it was
very impersonal.

There was no tears, there was
no -- there was no nothing.

At any point, and I know
I have dogs,

I know how
I would react,

When wayne came over
and saw bella,

Did he make an attempt
to try to pull her

Out of the water
at all or off the rocks?

-None.
-None?

None. He took one look at her
and started walking back.

Did he ever lean down
to try to get a --

To look at her, to see
if there was anything going on?

-No. Never.
-Never laid down on his side?

-No.
-Never at all?

No.

Levasseur:
I'm speculating, but if elaine's
recollection of events

Is accurate,

Then how did wayne
get that bruise?

And what else
could he be hiding?

Narrator: Coming up...

♪

Levasseur: Since the minute that
robin pope's body

Washed ashore in kent island,
many of her friends and family

Continue to believe
that her jilted husband,

Wayne pope,
was to blame for her death.

And I'm discovering
inconsistencies

In his account
of what happened.

I've tried to contact wayne
to get his side of the story,

But he's been unwilling
to meet with me.

So, now, I'm on my way
to his lawyer's office

To see if he'll talk.

All right, let's do it.

♪

♪

Levasseur:
I'm derrick levasseur.
I'm a private investigator.

I'm looking into one
of his clients, wayne pope.

Nobody wants to speak.

This guy's completely innocent

According to his lawyer
and everybody else,

But yet, nobody wants
to talk about it.

I'm just here to find out
what wayne pope

Would like to say about this,
give him an opportunity

To tell his side of the story.

And that doesn't seem like
it's gonna happen,

So move on
to the next spot.

Levasseur:
I do have another way of hearing
wayne's side

Of the story, his police
interview with sergeant sexton.

Levasseur:
The interrogation tapes
are very compelling.

Betrayal is a common
motive for murder,

But I'm still not clear
on whether or not

Wayne was even capable
of hurting his own wife.

I know there was a lot
of tumultuous things

That happened
over the three weeks

After wayne learned
of robin's affair,

But over the years, what were
some of the other things

That she confided
in you about?

Were there other issues
that were going on

In the relationship
prior to the affair?

Robin loved wayne.

But wayne wasn't
the kindest person to her.

We'd go out to dinner,

He would say things to make
her feel bad about herself.

Like, "why would you wear
that dress?

That dress looks ugly on you"
or "it makes you look fat."

Why would you say that
to your wife?

You know, it's like,
she looks beautiful.

Let's just put it out
on the table.

Robin was
a beautiful woman

And I'm sure there were
other men

That were drawn to her,
walking by.

Everybody says, she was
the light of the room,

But she --
she really was.

Was wayne someone who was
self-confident,

Where he was okay with that
and he almost embraced it?

Or was he someone who was
jealous and defensive about it?

-Oh, he was jealous.
-How so?

I mean, if we were --
if we were at a party

And he was getting mad at robin
for having too much fun,

He'd just leave her and tell her
to find her own way home.

-He was a possessive guy.
-Very.

Tell me what you know
about robin's affair.

His name is rob.

He was her personal trainer
at the gym.

Okay.

Wayne had gone over
to confront rob in anger.

And his fiance answered
the door and said,

"no, I'm sorry, he's not here,"
and then wayne said,

"did you realize
that your husband --

Your fiance's having
an affair with my wife."

So, this -- the affair really
put him in a dark place.

Yeah.

What was his feelings
towards bella?

Wayne always complained
about bella to me.

Like, "I hate
that damn dog."

Oh, I'll never forget,
he thought it would be funny

To throw bella
in the pool.

She was afraid of the pool,
she wouldn't go in.

And wayne just picked her up
and threw her in the pool.

And she started
trying to swim,

But she just sunk
right to the bottom.

I said, "what the hell
are you doing?"

He said, "I just wanted to see
if she could swim."

What happened to robin
on March 1st?

I know there was a search.
Were you part of that search?

There wasn't a day
that I didn't look for her.

I would leave my job
and I would go.

I didn't stop.

Was wayne part of
that search with you?

Never.

Not even a "how's
the search going, guys?"

Nothing.

After robin's death, did you
or any one of your friends

Confront wayne to say,
"hey, listen,

Did you have anything
to do with robin's death?"

He wasn't
anywhere near us.

And wayne didn't talk
to anybody.

I miss her terribly.

There isn't a day that goes by
that I don't think about...

I just...

I want -- I want the truth,
so we can have closure.

So she can dance her
last dance in heaven.

♪

Levasseur:
I'm recreating the 18-mile drive
wayne pope

Made to his parents' house that
night while he allegedly left

Robin at home to pick up
her mail and see the dog.

Wayne says that he headed there
to swap out his car

For his truck, which he needed
for the next morning.

This is the house,
I think, right here.

This is definitely the house.

I can't even see too much
of the house, it's so dark.

I don't want to spook anyone,

But there's definitely cameras
all over this property.

From what we know,

Wane's parents had people
over at the house.

There was some type
of get-together.

And according to wayne's
parents,

They did not know it all,

That wayne was coming to the
house

Or that he picked up his truck.

There's a couple scenarios
as to why

Wayne didn't' go inside.

The first scenario
was the completely innocent one.

He came here to get his truck.

He didn't want
to disturb anybody.

He grabbed his truck
and he left.

Second scenario is that
he came here to create an alibi.

When he realizes that there are
more people at the house

Than just his parents
and now, he's scrambling.

Now, he's trying to figure out
what's gonna do,

Because he can't go inside
and he needs an alibi to confirm

That he wasn't anywhere
near the house

When whatever happened
to robin happened.

Levasseur:
If wayne was looking
for an alibi,

Where would be
a logical place to get one?

I think it's right in here.

Levasseur:
That night, his next stop
was at a convenience store.

What I look at when I see
this store as I sit here parked,

Is I see confirmation that
there's a security camera here.

I mean, lookit.
You can see from here.

You could've easily known
from walking in that store,

He was gonna be on camera.

And all he came in here
for was a cup of coffee.

He didn't buy anything
that he needed in the morning,

And he -- something for
the house, groceries, nothing.

Cup of coffee and he left.

Narrator:
Coming up...

We were able to show
that he went to annapolis.

I think he observed her when she
was with this other gentleman.

♪

♪

Levasseur:
Robin pope's body was found off
the coast of kent island

Almost five years ago,

And it's starting to look
like her husband,

Wayne, could possibly have
been involved in her death.

But I still don't have
any objective evidence

To back this up.
-Good afternoon.

Levasseur:
What had been bothering me
from the start was this --

Robin and her dog
bella went missing,

And according to authorities,

Fell in the water
at the same time.

So, why were they found
on different days and locations?

Was it due to natural
circumstances

Or does it indicate
there was foul play involved?

♪

It's good to see
where it happened in --

In the field
like this and...

Levasseur: Dr. Cecily
steppe is an oceanographer.

She studies the biological
effects of water currents.

Levasseur:
Here's the popes' house,
right here coming up.

Okay.
So right on the water.

Right on the water.

Well, it can get
very shallow here.

Right.

Looking at this now,
what's striking me is that,

At the end of the pier,

There's no really easy way
to get to shore.

The night when she entered
the water,

There was a very strong tide
pushing down the bay.

That would be
suggestive of this

Possibly being the point
of origin

Where the bodies
entered the water.

That would
line up with that?

-Yes.
-Now, as you can see right here,

This is actually right
where bella was found.

So, you have the pope dock
right there, two docks down,

She was found right
in this rocky area here.

Based on
the autopsy report,

She had some bruising
to her paws.

She might have tried
to climb up on the rocks.

Unfortunately, she was
unsuccessful.

And I can definitely see
how she couldn't have

Made it up onto the --
the rocks.

That's a pretty
steep drop.

Let's talk about robin.

If robin goes into the water,
same time, if she had tried

To swim directly from
the dock back to the rocks,

I know it's
a tough climb up,

But all she really
would need to do

Is just to get on to
the rocks so she doesn't drown.

Would she be able to do that
with those conditions?

Potentially, if she was --
a clear mind, she could get up.

Right.

At least, close enough
to shore to yell.

Well, here's where
robin pope's body was found.

How long would it take
a body to go from

Robin pope's house,
to that area right there?

If there were no obstructions,
and if it were not dragging,

If currents are about maybe
1/2 mile an hour,

It would probably take on
the order of a couple hours.

Only a couple of hours?
You're the expert.

Tell me, how does it take
23 days for her body

To end up here?

If the body sank back closer
to where it went into the water,

Decomposed, waited
the two weeks for the --

The gases to build up
into the body,

And then it might've
been transported.

I don't have a feeling how long
it would've been

Floating afterwards.

You'd think someone
would've noticed it,

If it were floating
in the water.

Right. My hypothesis
is that she was

Either unconscious
or disoriented enough,

That when she
entered the water,

She was not capable
of swimming to shore.

My guess is that she would
just sink straight down.

So, what we're talking about
here is something happened

While she was still on the shore
that rendered her unconscious

Or she could've
already been dead.

Right.

If she was already dead,
she would've --

She would've immediately
sunk to the bottom.

Right.

And what you're telling me
is the science,

The biology behind
that backs it up.

-Correct.
-It's fascinating.

♪

Levasseur:
While still possible, it is
looking much less likely

That robin's death
was a tragic accident,

But if there was
foul play involved,

Why weren't charges
ever filed?

Lance richardson is
the state's attorney

And conducted an interview
with wayne

At the time of the incident.

I told him, I said, "it's a
search for the truth for me.

I just want to find out
what happened."

What was -- what was that like?
What was his demeanor?

You've worked
a lot of cases.

What was
your take on it?

He looked petrified.

And I made him an offer.

I said, "I want you to submit to
a polygraph exam, lie detector,"

And I said, "this is
a win-win for you."

Said, "if you take
the polygraph and you fail it,

I'm not gonna release
that information."

But in my mind,
I'm thinking,

I'll know I have the right guy,
if he was involved.

But I said, "if you pass
this lie detector,

We'll release it to the
community that you cooperated

And you passed
a lie detector test,"

And at least in the court
of public opinion,

He can clear his name.

So, we set up this
polygraph exam

And the day
that it was to happen,

He showed up,
but then he got cold feet

And left
and never submitted to it.

But at that point,
you weren't pointing the finger.

You were objective, you wanted
to see where it took you.

Got to be objective,
just follow the evidence,

Can't go into it
with preconceived notions

Or else I'm gonna be biased.
-Right.

I just follow whatever
the evidence brings us.

But there were a lot
of suspicious circumstances.

You know,
his following her

Right before this incident
took place.

There was
some marital issues.

There was potential motive
on his part.

All those things led me
to believe

That there
could definitely

Be something sinister
going on here.

Talk -- talk about that.
You said, "following her."

What do you --
what do you mean by that?

She was in annapolis
with another gentleman.

We were able to show
that he went to annapolis,

G.P.S. On phones, we could see
his location, where he traveled.

I think he observed her when she
was with this other gentleman.

You were able to confirm
all that?

Yes.

Did you ever
ask him about that?

I did not personally
get to ask him,

But that's what I wanted
the polygraph,

Potentially to,
you know,

Get him to explain
his actions,

But we weren't able
to get that far.

And you haven't spoken
with him since?

No.

Five years since,
have not spoken with him?

No, I have not.

Sexton: Hello?

Hey, sarge, what's up?
It's derrick.

Hey, derrick,
how you doing?

Hanging in there.
Listen.

You guys were actually able
to track

Wayne pope's actions
that night

Before the disappearance
to annapolis,

In the same area
where robin pope was.

Is that true?

That's true.
Yeah.

So, he could've
been following her.

He could've been.

He was over there,
had dinner with some friends

And then he was over there
a little longer than,

You know,
just having dinner.

So, he --
he definitely could've been.

Okay.

I did some checking on
the shirt that was found,

That washed up on the --
on the shore there.

-Okay, the blouse?
-And the blouse, that --

That blouse had no tears or
rips or anything like that.

It was inside-out, but
it was -- it was intact.

Okay.

However, she did have
a piece of t-shirt

On her arm that had been
ripped up,

And we don't know how that --
that happened.

Okay, I mean, that could be
a sign of struggle, no?

It could be.

But it also could be
from her body --

Body floating on the bottom
of the -- of the bay

And just catching different
debris and things like that.

Fair enough.

Narrator:
Coming up...

When she got inside
and went to go for her mail,

She encounters him and something
happens inside that house.

♪

♪

Levasseur:
I can see why it's been so hard
for police

To definitively prove
that robin pope's death

Was a homicide,
but I personally believe that

While it's still possible
it was an accident,

It's very likely
that she was murdered,

And I'm ready lay out
my case to detective sexton.

We did talk to some people that
maybe you haven't talked to,

And I wanted to bounce
some stuff off you

And see what
you thought about it.

That's fine.

According to state attorney
lance richardson,

Not only was robin pope
in annapolis

The night of her death,
wayne pope was there, as well.

Yes.

Basically, he told us
that he was there

To take his daughter
some dinner,

Which didn't happen.

We talked to the daughter
and he never brought her dinner,

So we know that was a --
that was a lie.

Right.

And despite their issues,
she decides to go over

To his place, get her mail,
and see the dog.

Yep.

There's a quick
text message from her.

"wayne, I'm just here
to get my mail."

No response from wayne.

No phone call,
no text message.

To me, that would suggest
that whatever happened,

She didn't need
to text him anymore.

If he hadn't responded
by opening the door,

She would've said,
"wayne, either comes out --"

-Where are you?
-"let me in or I'm gonna leave."

But she doesn't.

I think wayne
opened that door.

That's when
they had contact.

Exactly.

She didn't plan on
being there long.

She had her keys, her wallet,
and her cell phone

All in the car.

I believe when she got inside
and went to go for her mail,

Wayne was
waiting for her.

She encounters him and something
happens inside that house.

Well, it's
a good theory.

But, you know, after doing
a search warrant in the house,

We didn't see any signs

Of any kind of fight
or anything like that.

That doesn't mean
there wasn't a fight.

He has the bruise
on his body.

I know he gave you
an explanation for it,

But we both know
that alibi didn't check out.

If he was doing something
like trying

To strangle her
or suffocate her,

I think wayne would've
had more than

Just a little mark
on his side.

What if he caught
her off-guard?

What if when she went to go
for that mail

That hadn't been moved,
he snuck up behind her?

But the bigger question
that nobody seems

To be able to answer is,

"why did robin
go out to the dock?"

In my opinion, she didn't
go out there voluntarily.

I believe she may have already
been dead and wayne pope

Is the reason
that she got out back.

I think he picked her up,
he brought her out back,

And as he did, bella,
who had access to the house,

Could come and go as
she pleased, she followed.

He goes over the dock.

He realizes he has to get
rid of the body.

She can't be
found in the house.

He throws her
off the dock.

He looks down at bella
and realizes the only reason

Robin would be in that
back yard was for the dog.

He picks bella up, and he
throws her in the bay, as well.

Another reason I think
robin was attacked

Before entering
the water,

Is because of what I learned
from an oceanographer,

Dr. Steppe.

She told me that the way

Bella was found
is indicative of a body

That was still conscious, right,
still had oxygen in their lungs.

No argument there.

There's no argument
there at all.

But when I brought up robin,
she had a different opinion.

Robin was
an avid swimmer.

She was a strong woman,
she was in the gym all the time.

If she had seen bella
thrown in the water,

She would've dove in after her,
she would've held her breath,

She would've grabbed her
and brought her to shore.

Based on the way that robin
entered the water

And based on the way
she was found,

How quickly she sunk
and nobody was able to find her,

There's only two ways
that dr. Steppe

Believes she
entered that water,

She was either disoriented
or unconscious, possibly dead.

I don't need to tell you
what happens to a body

That's already deceased
when it hits the water.

It sinks.
-It sinks.

You're right.

Let's talk about
wayne's behavior afterwards.

He knows that he has
to get out of that house

As soon as possible
to create an alibi.

He decides to take a 25-minute
drive to his parents' house.

But when he gets there,
whether he remembered it

Or he just found out
when he got there,

There were other people
at that residence.

That's other people for you
to ask about his demeanor

When he walked
into the house.

He didn't like that,
so he decides against it.

Switches out his from
his truck.

Now, he's trying to figure out,
how do I confirm

That I ever
left the house?

So, he's driving down the road,
he's about almost halfway home,

And he's getting on the highway
and he sees a convenience store.

What does he think?

You know what?
7-eleven, they have cameras.

That's right.
Security cameras.

There's my alibi.
-Yeah.

I'm gonna go inside that store,
I'm gonna be seen on camera,

And when detectives check
my pattern,

They're gonna see
that I was there.

Here's the problem
with that.

The cup of coffee.

Why are you gonna buy
a cup of coffee

When you're going home
to go back to sleep?

To me,
that makes no sense.

You're gonna drink a coffee 30
minutes before you go to sleep?

No.

When are you gonna drink
a cup of coffee?

In the morning.

I think it represents a one
momentary lapse in judgement,

Where wayne pope
made a mistake.

So, this may just be
a tragic set of events,

Where wayne pope was in the
wrong place at the wrong time.

-But he's a suspect.
-He's a suspect.

I'm not saying he did it,
but I'm saying, I think

Wayne pope knows
what happened that night.

♪

Levasseur:
It's finally time that I share
what I've discovered

With robin's daughter
priscilla.

Levasseur:
When I looked into
this investigation,

What I learned, your mom was
actually in downtown annapolis

Earlier that evening.

She was having dinner
and drinks with some people.

She may have even been
out on a date.

And what we
also learned is that

Wayne was also in downtown
annapolis around that same time.

What?

From your reaction,
you didn't know that.

No.

Knowing that he was in annapolis
at the same time, that's crazy.

And I have reason
to believe

That whatever happened
inside that house

Between wayne and your mother,
rendered her unconscious,

Or she was already dead.

Now, maybe that was an accident
inside the house,

I'm qualifying here,
stay with me,

But whatever happened
to your mom,

I believe happened well
before she ever went outside.

But that's not
where it ends

Because there's another piece
of evidence that was found

That I think is extremely
significant in this case

And that's
your mother's blouse.

When your mother's blouse
was found,

It was found
around the same time

And the same
location as bella,

Which leads me
to believe

That the blouse was thrown
in the water after your mom

Had already
been thrown in the water.

Your mom was wearing
an undershirt under her blouse

And it was torn
to shreds.

So, to my point,
if she was wearing that blouse,

As well, wouldn't you
expect the blouse

To have some type
of similar damage?

Wayne pope is a strong
person of interest

And he has not been
completely forthright

With the authorities
up to this point.

You know, I just learned
a lot of this, so I'm shocked.

I didn't think it
was possible for there

To be more evidence
that he did this.

There is a scenario
where this was a freak accident.

But if, in fact,
it was an accident,

An argument
that escalated,

Wayne owes you and your sister
an explanation.

However, if this was intentional
and wayne killed your mother,

He needs to answer
for what he did.

Absolutely.

You really did do an amazing
job and to learn more,

It just solidifies
what I've thought all along.

Hopefully, we finally can bring
the closure to this case

And allow your mom
to finally rest in peace.

Yes.

♪

Levasseur:
Robin's death left a hole
in the lives of her family

And her close group of friends.

They spent the last five years
searching for answers,

Answers that have been
painfully elusive

Due to wayne pope's
continued silence.

However, I've shared the new
evidence that I uncovered

With the authorities
and connected sergeant sexton

With dr. Steppe,
the oceanography expert.

I'm hoping that this will
recharge the investigation

As they continue to seek answers
for robin and her family.

♪