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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,168 --> 00:00:10,042 ♪♪ 2 00:00:10,044 --> 00:00:14,646 Wolter: The story of our past hinges on present day finds. 3 00:00:14,648 --> 00:00:17,216 This is a crazy, weird chamber, 4 00:00:17,218 --> 00:00:20,853 And it is in the middle of nowhere. 5 00:00:20,855 --> 00:00:24,757 The landscape hides the unexpected. 6 00:00:24,759 --> 00:00:26,392 Do you think that giants built this wall? 7 00:00:26,394 --> 00:00:29,428 That's for you guys to figure out. 8 00:00:29,430 --> 00:00:31,163 And the unexplored. 9 00:00:31,165 --> 00:00:33,866 That could be the entrance to the treasure. 10 00:00:33,868 --> 00:00:38,537 My job is to explain the unexplainable. 11 00:00:38,539 --> 00:00:43,108 The only question I have is, "where am I going next?" 12 00:00:44,445 --> 00:00:48,280 The history that we were all taught growing up is wrong. 13 00:00:48,282 --> 00:00:51,016 My name is scott wolter, and I'm a forensic geologist. 14 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:55,521 There's a hidden history in this country that nobody knows about. 15 00:00:55,523 --> 00:00:57,423 There are pyramids here, 16 00:00:57,425 --> 00:01:00,459 Chambers, tombs, inscriptions. 17 00:01:00,461 --> 00:01:02,828 They're all over this country. 18 00:01:02,830 --> 00:01:05,264 We're gonna investigate these artifacts and sites, 19 00:01:05,266 --> 00:01:06,999 And we're gonna get to the truth. 20 00:01:07,001 --> 00:01:10,369 Sometimes, history isn't what we've been told. 21 00:01:10,371 --> 00:01:19,478 ♪♪ 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:28,587 ♪♪ 23 00:01:28,589 --> 00:01:31,690 Kids have long been taught that the first european 24 00:01:31,692 --> 00:01:36,361 To reach america was christopher columbus in 1492, 25 00:01:36,363 --> 00:01:37,830 But that's not true. 26 00:01:37,832 --> 00:01:40,632 We now know the vikings beat him, 27 00:01:40,634 --> 00:01:44,670 But I think other explorers did too, centuries earlier. 28 00:01:44,672 --> 00:01:47,406 I'm always looking for more definitive proof, 29 00:01:47,408 --> 00:01:50,275 And today I'm feeling lucky. 30 00:01:50,277 --> 00:01:52,744 I'm heading to rock springs, wyoming, 31 00:01:52,746 --> 00:01:55,881 Where a husband and wife want to show me a good luck charm 32 00:01:55,883 --> 00:01:58,217 That they believe proves the phoenicians, 33 00:01:58,219 --> 00:02:00,986 Famous ancient sailors of the mediterranean, 34 00:02:00,988 --> 00:02:02,754 Came here to the cowboy state 35 00:02:02,756 --> 00:02:05,791 Over 1,000 years before columbus. 36 00:02:05,793 --> 00:02:10,362 If they're right, it'll rewrite the history books forever. 37 00:02:10,364 --> 00:02:11,930 -Hi, guys. -Hey, hi. 38 00:02:11,932 --> 00:02:13,966 -You must be patrice. -I am patrice. 39 00:02:13,968 --> 00:02:15,767 -And don. -Yep, good to meet you. 40 00:02:15,769 --> 00:02:17,069 Nice to meet you. 41 00:02:17,071 --> 00:02:19,771 So I understand you have an artifact. 42 00:02:19,773 --> 00:02:21,406 Can I take a look at it? 43 00:02:21,408 --> 00:02:24,943 -She's got it with her. -Okay. 44 00:02:24,945 --> 00:02:27,880 Wow, this is awesome! 45 00:02:27,882 --> 00:02:29,548 So who found this? 46 00:02:29,550 --> 00:02:32,151 My mom did, years ago. 47 00:02:32,153 --> 00:02:34,052 Like what, 75 years ago? 48 00:02:34,054 --> 00:02:36,054 It's a sandstone for sure. 49 00:02:36,056 --> 00:02:37,890 There's definitely carved characters here. 50 00:02:37,892 --> 00:02:40,459 This is definitely manmade, no doubt about that. 51 00:02:40,461 --> 00:02:43,128 My mom, she was 12 years old when she found it. 52 00:02:43,130 --> 00:02:44,663 Come upon it, and knew it was 53 00:02:44,665 --> 00:02:47,699 Something more than just an ordinary rock. 54 00:02:47,701 --> 00:02:49,902 Where was it found? Somewhere up here, right? 55 00:02:49,904 --> 00:02:52,171 It was. I can take you to the general area. 56 00:02:52,173 --> 00:02:54,373 Well, I would like to see roughly where it came from. 57 00:02:54,375 --> 00:02:56,742 -All right. Let's do it. -Okay. 58 00:02:56,744 --> 00:03:00,979 Wolter: Rock springs is known as the home of 56 nationalities 59 00:03:00,981 --> 00:03:03,515 Because an influx of immigrants came to work 60 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:06,552 In the coal mines here in the late 1800s, 61 00:03:06,554 --> 00:03:09,321 But if this artifact proves the phoenicians came here 62 00:03:09,323 --> 00:03:12,124 2,000 years ago, they might have to start 63 00:03:12,126 --> 00:03:15,627 Calling it the home of 57. 64 00:03:15,629 --> 00:03:18,230 First and foremost, I want to look at the geology. 65 00:03:18,232 --> 00:03:22,234 ♪♪ 66 00:03:22,236 --> 00:03:25,437 The question is, "could this rock have come from this area?" 67 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:27,940 The answer is, "yes." 68 00:03:27,942 --> 00:03:31,710 This is a sandstone, this is a sandstone, 69 00:03:31,712 --> 00:03:34,646 And if you look at them, the size of the sand grains 70 00:03:34,648 --> 00:03:37,683 In this sandstone look very similar. 71 00:03:37,685 --> 00:03:39,918 Wolter: If the carved stone don's mom found 72 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,120 Was something other than sandstone, 73 00:03:42,122 --> 00:03:45,057 We'd know it could have come from afar, 74 00:03:45,059 --> 00:03:47,793 But because more than half the exposed rock 75 00:03:47,795 --> 00:03:51,163 In the phoenician's home base, modern day lebanon, 76 00:03:51,165 --> 00:03:53,131 Is sandstone just like this, 77 00:03:53,133 --> 00:03:56,034 Which is a trademark of the city's architecture, 78 00:03:56,036 --> 00:03:58,503 I need more evidence to figure out if this rock 79 00:03:58,505 --> 00:04:03,775 Was carved here in wyoming or half a world away. 80 00:04:03,777 --> 00:04:05,077 Wolter: Why was your mother up here? 81 00:04:05,079 --> 00:04:08,013 Don: She was up here horseback riding. 82 00:04:08,015 --> 00:04:11,149 Wolter: Lorene bolen was a coal miner's daughter, 83 00:04:11,151 --> 00:04:15,053 Who moved from rural indiana to wyoming when she was young. 84 00:04:15,055 --> 00:04:18,557 After losing her dad to a freak accident at age 9, 85 00:04:18,559 --> 00:04:22,027 Lorene was a kid who could use a lucky break. 86 00:04:22,029 --> 00:04:26,531 She was up here by some water tanks, 87 00:04:26,533 --> 00:04:30,102 And she stopped there and just happened to notice it. 88 00:04:30,104 --> 00:04:31,169 What happened next? 89 00:04:31,171 --> 00:04:32,671 Well, she took it home. 90 00:04:32,673 --> 00:04:34,306 She had it with her a lot of the time, 91 00:04:34,308 --> 00:04:35,641 And showed it to a lot of people, 92 00:04:35,643 --> 00:04:38,443 But nobody could tell her what it was. 93 00:04:38,445 --> 00:04:41,113 She sent pictures of it to the university of wyoming, 94 00:04:41,115 --> 00:04:42,781 And they didn't know what it was. 95 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:44,916 She just always was trying to find out. 96 00:04:44,918 --> 00:04:46,051 She was curious. 97 00:04:46,053 --> 00:04:47,185 -She was very curious. -Very much so. 98 00:04:47,187 --> 00:04:49,121 Did she go to anyone else? 99 00:04:49,123 --> 00:04:53,659 She sent a copy of the picture to the smithsonian. 100 00:04:53,661 --> 00:04:57,362 They sent a letter back saying it's really nothing. 101 00:04:57,364 --> 00:05:00,465 They didn't want anything to do with it, basically, 102 00:05:00,467 --> 00:05:03,735 And so she got mad and threw the letter away. 103 00:05:03,737 --> 00:05:05,170 Well, that doesn't surprise me. 104 00:05:05,172 --> 00:05:08,640 The smithsonian doesn't particularly care for anybody 105 00:05:08,642 --> 00:05:09,975 Who brings something forward 106 00:05:09,977 --> 00:05:13,512 That might change the historical narrative. 107 00:05:13,514 --> 00:05:14,813 Besides the smithsonian, 108 00:05:14,815 --> 00:05:17,716 Did anybody else look at the inscription? 109 00:05:17,718 --> 00:05:19,017 Yes. 110 00:05:19,019 --> 00:05:21,119 Here's the letter from dr. Barry fell 111 00:05:21,121 --> 00:05:22,988 Who was immediately able 112 00:05:22,990 --> 00:05:25,424 To identify and translate the script. 113 00:05:25,426 --> 00:05:29,728 Barry fell, he was a scholar from harvard. 114 00:05:29,730 --> 00:05:31,463 He was one of the first guys to come out 115 00:05:31,465 --> 00:05:33,432 Who was an academic to say that, "yes, 116 00:05:33,434 --> 00:05:36,268 There were people that came here long before columbus." 117 00:05:36,270 --> 00:05:39,037 In fact, people had been coming here for thousands of years. 118 00:05:39,039 --> 00:05:42,240 It mentions phoenician people in there. 119 00:05:42,242 --> 00:05:46,011 The way he explained it is it starts and goes, 120 00:05:46,013 --> 00:05:48,313 It goes vertically first, start at the top, 121 00:05:48,315 --> 00:05:50,182 And do an s-shape on the way down. 122 00:05:50,184 --> 00:05:52,684 And here's the translation. 123 00:05:52,686 --> 00:05:53,952 Keep safe. 124 00:05:53,954 --> 00:05:56,088 Do not break the stone. 125 00:05:56,090 --> 00:05:58,523 Misfortune it turns away. 126 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:00,325 It protects against evil. 127 00:06:00,327 --> 00:06:03,495 Strikes harm and turns it aside. 128 00:06:05,432 --> 00:06:08,467 Wolter: We know the phoenicians were merchant sailors. 129 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:11,103 You see their ships and exploits depicted 130 00:06:11,105 --> 00:06:14,973 In the art of their neighbors, the egyptians and the greeks. 131 00:06:14,975 --> 00:06:18,410 And herodotus, known as the world's first historian, 132 00:06:18,412 --> 00:06:20,145 Wrote about the phoenician's claim 133 00:06:20,147 --> 00:06:22,547 To have circumnavigated africa. 134 00:06:22,549 --> 00:06:25,951 Maybe a phoenician sailor left behind an inscribed rock 135 00:06:25,953 --> 00:06:29,321 That later became lorene bolen's good luck charm. 136 00:06:29,323 --> 00:06:31,757 I'm open to the idea, because of everything 137 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:34,359 I know about the phoenicians. 138 00:06:34,361 --> 00:06:36,161 Basically what barry fell is saying 139 00:06:36,163 --> 00:06:39,364 Is that this is an amulet or a good luck charm. 140 00:06:39,366 --> 00:06:41,900 Something to keep bad spirits away. 141 00:06:41,902 --> 00:06:43,001 Does that make sense? 142 00:06:43,003 --> 00:06:44,369 We think so. 143 00:06:44,371 --> 00:06:46,505 It does with my mom's life, yeah. 144 00:06:46,507 --> 00:06:48,440 With your mom's life, what do you mean by that? 145 00:06:48,442 --> 00:06:52,411 There was a time when she went to jackpot, nevada, 146 00:06:52,413 --> 00:06:55,046 When she was down to her last couple of quarters, 147 00:06:55,048 --> 00:06:59,317 Put them in a slot machine, and won $48,000. 148 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:01,486 She hit it big! 149 00:07:01,488 --> 00:07:03,688 Let me guess, she attributed it 150 00:07:03,690 --> 00:07:06,091 To this good luck charm, right? 151 00:07:06,093 --> 00:07:08,894 I think in a lot of ways, she did. 152 00:07:08,896 --> 00:07:11,229 Wolter: This isn't the first time I've investigated 153 00:07:11,231 --> 00:07:14,866 The possibility that the phoenicians made it to america. 154 00:07:14,868 --> 00:07:17,436 A while back, I met a professor in new England 155 00:07:17,438 --> 00:07:19,738 Who theorized there was a map of the world 156 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:22,407 Hidden on the back of a phoenician coin 157 00:07:22,409 --> 00:07:24,676 Minted in 350 b.C. 158 00:07:24,678 --> 00:07:28,447 ♪♪ 159 00:07:28,449 --> 00:07:30,081 Wolter: The question is, "could the phoenicians 160 00:07:30,083 --> 00:07:32,617 Have gotten here and carved that stone?" 161 00:07:32,619 --> 00:07:34,986 The oceans and rivers were not barriers 162 00:07:34,988 --> 00:07:36,388 Like many people think. 163 00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:38,790 I mean, they were highways, super highways, 164 00:07:38,792 --> 00:07:41,927 Especially going back thousands of years. 165 00:07:41,929 --> 00:07:44,396 Wolter: I've seen evidence of pre-columbian contact 166 00:07:44,398 --> 00:07:46,631 All over the americas. 167 00:07:46,633 --> 00:07:49,801 Ancient mariners like the vikings, the early irish, 168 00:07:49,803 --> 00:07:52,871 And the polynesians left behind rock formations, 169 00:07:52,873 --> 00:07:56,374 Language, and canoe building technology. 170 00:07:56,376 --> 00:07:58,176 In the case of the polynesians, 171 00:07:58,178 --> 00:08:01,513 They even brought back foods like the sweet potato. 172 00:08:01,515 --> 00:08:03,014 Now, there's a little more 173 00:08:03,016 --> 00:08:04,449 That I'd like to do with the stone. 174 00:08:04,451 --> 00:08:05,617 I've got a microscope. 175 00:08:05,619 --> 00:08:06,985 Is it okay if we take a look? 176 00:08:06,987 --> 00:08:08,587 -Let's do it. -That would be awesome. 177 00:08:08,589 --> 00:08:10,522 Okay. 178 00:08:10,524 --> 00:08:12,858 Wolter: The growth of microscopic organisms 179 00:08:12,860 --> 00:08:16,628 Or evidence of erosion can help me date artifacts like this. 180 00:08:16,630 --> 00:08:18,964 Okay, here we go. 181 00:08:18,966 --> 00:08:20,432 That's coming up pretty good there. 182 00:08:20,434 --> 00:08:24,002 You can see the carved lines. 183 00:08:24,004 --> 00:08:26,571 Focus it just a little bit there. 184 00:08:26,573 --> 00:08:30,742 ♪♪ 185 00:08:30,744 --> 00:08:32,844 Huh. 186 00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:37,015 I'm seeing something I don't like. 187 00:08:37,017 --> 00:08:38,783 Has somebody messed with this at all, 188 00:08:38,785 --> 00:08:40,585 Or done something to it? 189 00:08:40,587 --> 00:08:43,655 ♪♪ 190 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:58,837 ♪♪ 191 00:08:58,839 --> 00:09:06,745 ♪♪ 192 00:09:06,747 --> 00:09:09,514 I see something here I don't like. 193 00:09:09,516 --> 00:09:12,217 Has somebody been messing with this? 194 00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:17,155 Yeah. My mom, naive, 195 00:09:17,157 --> 00:09:18,723 Tried to get a picture of it 196 00:09:18,725 --> 00:09:21,826 And it didn't show up very well, so she took a nail to it. 197 00:09:21,828 --> 00:09:23,929 So she recut the carvings? 198 00:09:23,931 --> 00:09:27,899 She went in deeper so it would photograph better. 199 00:09:27,901 --> 00:09:30,302 Wolter: If someone scratches over old marks, 200 00:09:30,304 --> 00:09:32,237 They might as well be fresh ones. 201 00:09:32,239 --> 00:09:35,440 She was trying to be helpful, but unfortunately for me, 202 00:09:35,442 --> 00:09:39,744 A lot of the evidence that is the most helpful in aging this 203 00:09:39,746 --> 00:09:41,246 Would be in the grooves, 204 00:09:41,248 --> 00:09:43,848 And if she scratched it out, that evidence is gone. 205 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:47,519 Wolter: Since lorene ran a nail across the original inscription, 206 00:09:47,521 --> 00:09:49,854 There's no way to see the natural weathering, 207 00:09:49,856 --> 00:09:53,992 And no microorganisms left inside for me to date. 208 00:09:53,994 --> 00:09:55,794 When someone uses something sharp 209 00:09:55,796 --> 00:09:58,863 To clean out an inscription, I can no longer tell 210 00:09:58,865 --> 00:10:00,966 How naturally weathered and worn 211 00:10:00,968 --> 00:10:02,767 The edges of the inscription were, 212 00:10:02,769 --> 00:10:05,303 Meaning there's no way to evaluate 213 00:10:05,305 --> 00:10:07,606 How long ago it was carved. 214 00:10:07,608 --> 00:10:11,409 You know this is unfortunate, but I think I have a plan, 215 00:10:11,411 --> 00:10:14,045 Another way that we can get to the bottom of this. 216 00:10:14,047 --> 00:10:21,319 ♪♪ 217 00:10:21,321 --> 00:10:24,322 Wolter: It's too bad I won't be able to accurately date 218 00:10:24,324 --> 00:10:26,391 Lorene bolen's carving, 219 00:10:26,393 --> 00:10:29,694 But I know of a secret shoshone site here in wyoming 220 00:10:29,696 --> 00:10:33,565 That might support phoenician contact with this area 221 00:10:33,567 --> 00:10:36,034 As long as 2,000 years ago. 222 00:10:36,036 --> 00:10:42,140 ♪♪ 223 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:48,279 ♪♪ 224 00:10:48,281 --> 00:10:51,082 Wolter: Well, linea, I just recently looked at an artifact 225 00:10:51,084 --> 00:10:54,853 That has been interpreted to be phoenician script. 226 00:10:54,855 --> 00:10:57,756 The reason I am here is to see if this site 227 00:10:57,758 --> 00:10:59,424 Potentially has a connection 228 00:10:59,426 --> 00:11:03,294 To the phoenicians coming here to the new world. 229 00:11:03,296 --> 00:11:06,531 If there is a connection, we can look for it right here. 230 00:11:06,533 --> 00:11:09,267 ♪♪ 231 00:11:09,269 --> 00:11:12,037 Wolter: I'm told there is evidence of a shoshone legend 232 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:15,740 Called the "water ghost woman" on this stone outcrop 233 00:11:15,742 --> 00:11:18,176 In the middle of nowhere. 234 00:11:18,178 --> 00:11:19,344 Sundstrom: Why don't you tell me 235 00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:20,812 What you think you're seeing here. 236 00:11:20,814 --> 00:11:23,348 This one here looks like a female, am I right about that? 237 00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:24,883 Mm-hmm. 238 00:11:24,885 --> 00:11:27,686 She's a ghost, and she lives in the water 239 00:11:27,688 --> 00:11:30,121 So she's called the "water ghost woman." 240 00:11:30,123 --> 00:11:31,356 Okay. 241 00:11:31,358 --> 00:11:34,325 The eastern shoshone who lived around here, 242 00:11:34,327 --> 00:11:37,128 This is an important figure in their belief system. 243 00:11:37,130 --> 00:11:41,199 She's depicted as either very beautiful and young, 244 00:11:41,201 --> 00:11:44,335 Or as a hideous old hag. 245 00:11:44,337 --> 00:11:47,739 And she can go from one to the other rapidly. 246 00:11:47,741 --> 00:11:49,741 Ah, are those tears? 247 00:11:49,743 --> 00:11:53,211 You can very plainly see the tear streaks on her face. 248 00:11:53,213 --> 00:11:56,147 When you hear her crying, you feel sorry for her 249 00:11:56,149 --> 00:11:59,818 And you want to help, so you approach the sound 250 00:11:59,820 --> 00:12:01,653 Of this crying woman, and the next thing 251 00:12:01,655 --> 00:12:04,055 You know, you've been drowned. 252 00:12:04,057 --> 00:12:07,392 Wolter: This legend is eerily similar to that of the sirens, 253 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:11,463 Characters from greek mythology the phoenicians believed in. 254 00:12:11,465 --> 00:12:14,032 The sirens were dangerous creatures, 255 00:12:14,034 --> 00:12:15,433 Whose enchanting songs 256 00:12:15,435 --> 00:12:18,870 Drew unsuspecting sailors to shipwreck. 257 00:12:18,872 --> 00:12:22,540 Wolter: Maybe this indicates that there was some type of contact 258 00:12:22,542 --> 00:12:24,776 Between the phoenicians and the shoshone. 259 00:12:24,778 --> 00:12:27,946 Now that doesn't mean that it does, but it could. 260 00:12:27,948 --> 00:12:29,380 How would they have gotten here? 261 00:12:29,382 --> 00:12:32,117 Well, if they sail across the atlantic ocean, 262 00:12:32,119 --> 00:12:35,353 They could come into the gulf, sail up the mississippi, 263 00:12:35,355 --> 00:12:37,722 Then they could have taken either the arkansas river, 264 00:12:37,724 --> 00:12:39,891 Or the platte river with a portage 265 00:12:39,893 --> 00:12:41,793 Not too far to the east here, 266 00:12:41,795 --> 00:12:44,095 And it would put you right into this area. 267 00:12:44,097 --> 00:12:46,197 How old do you think these petroglyphs are? 268 00:12:46,199 --> 00:12:48,533 This type of rock art was probably made 269 00:12:48,535 --> 00:12:52,570 Within the last 2,000 years, maybe a little bit older, 270 00:12:52,572 --> 00:12:54,439 Maybe 3,000 years from now. 271 00:12:54,441 --> 00:12:55,507 2 to 3,000. 272 00:12:55,509 --> 00:12:56,908 That's an educated guess. 273 00:12:56,910 --> 00:12:58,209 Well, I like those numbers. 274 00:12:58,211 --> 00:12:59,544 I like those numbers a lot, 275 00:12:59,546 --> 00:13:02,180 Because if we are gonna make the argument 276 00:13:02,182 --> 00:13:05,049 That the phoenicians could possibly be connected here, 277 00:13:05,051 --> 00:13:07,285 You got to go back at least 2,000 years 278 00:13:07,287 --> 00:13:10,488 And 2 to 3,000 years would be right in the wheelhouse 279 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:12,524 That actually does make sense. 280 00:13:12,526 --> 00:13:16,528 Doesn't prove it, but I really like those numbers. 281 00:13:16,530 --> 00:13:17,862 Wolter: The idea that the phoenicians 282 00:13:17,864 --> 00:13:21,866 Exchanged myths with the shoshone is fascinating. 283 00:13:21,868 --> 00:13:24,169 If it's true, it would go a long way 284 00:13:24,171 --> 00:13:27,138 Towards supporting the idea that lorene bolen 285 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:30,275 Found a genuine phoenician good luck charm. 286 00:13:30,277 --> 00:13:32,277 Before I can buy into that theory, 287 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:35,847 I need to figure out if the phoenicians were even capable 288 00:13:35,849 --> 00:13:38,383 Of sailing to america in the first place. 289 00:13:38,385 --> 00:13:44,222 ♪♪ 290 00:13:44,224 --> 00:13:50,061 ♪♪ 291 00:13:50,063 --> 00:13:52,363 I need to see a phoenician boat, 292 00:13:52,365 --> 00:13:55,099 And there's only one good seaworthy example 293 00:13:55,101 --> 00:13:57,035 In the entire world. 294 00:13:57,037 --> 00:14:03,508 ♪♪ 295 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:09,914 ♪♪ 296 00:14:09,916 --> 00:14:14,319 -Philip? -Hi, welcome to phoenicia. 297 00:14:14,321 --> 00:14:16,921 Well, thank you. Wow so this is it, huh? 298 00:14:16,923 --> 00:14:20,558 This is it. 299 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,360 Well, this is pretty impressive. 300 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:24,796 Tell me a little big about this ship. It's really cool. 301 00:14:24,798 --> 00:14:26,431 Well, she's a great ship. 302 00:14:26,433 --> 00:14:29,300 Phoenicia has the only phoenician sailing ship 303 00:14:29,302 --> 00:14:33,071 In existence as a working ship, a proper seagoing ship, 304 00:14:33,073 --> 00:14:35,373 And it was built as near as possible 305 00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:39,077 As an exact replica as one could possibly have. 306 00:14:39,079 --> 00:14:40,745 Wolter: What are some of the features here 307 00:14:40,747 --> 00:14:44,315 That are unique to the phoenician ship builders? 308 00:14:44,317 --> 00:14:48,820 The phoenicians created the first rigid hulled boats. 309 00:14:48,822 --> 00:14:50,021 Up until that point, 310 00:14:50,023 --> 00:14:53,224 The ships had literally been sewn together. 311 00:14:53,226 --> 00:14:55,994 So this stiff design was to 312 00:14:55,996 --> 00:14:58,329 Withstand the large waves on the oceans, right? 313 00:14:58,331 --> 00:14:59,530 That's it. 314 00:14:59,532 --> 00:15:01,733 That's what enabled the phoenicians to trade 315 00:15:01,735 --> 00:15:04,235 More successfully than anyone else. 316 00:15:04,237 --> 00:15:06,304 Wolter: Wherever they went, the phoenicians 317 00:15:06,306 --> 00:15:07,906 Brought the phoenician alphabet, 318 00:15:07,908 --> 00:15:10,241 And their most famous trade item, 319 00:15:10,243 --> 00:15:14,078 A dye known as tyrian purple, named after tyre, 320 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,948 One of their four mediterranean kingdoms. 321 00:15:16,950 --> 00:15:19,717 More valuable than gold, it started the tradition 322 00:15:19,719 --> 00:15:21,953 Of royals wearing purple robes 323 00:15:21,955 --> 00:15:25,223 And earned the phoenicians the name the "purple people." 324 00:15:25,225 --> 00:15:28,092 ♪♪ 325 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:30,828 Look at the craftsmanship. It's all handwork, right? 326 00:15:30,830 --> 00:15:32,263 Yeah, all done by hand. 327 00:15:32,265 --> 00:15:33,731 What's really impressive 328 00:15:33,733 --> 00:15:38,036 Are these little dowel marks there that you can see. 329 00:15:38,038 --> 00:15:39,237 -Oh, right here? -Yep. 330 00:15:39,239 --> 00:15:41,439 The romans called it the phoenician joint, 331 00:15:41,441 --> 00:15:43,207 And I've got a little model of it here. 332 00:15:43,209 --> 00:15:45,843 So here are the two planks. 333 00:15:45,845 --> 00:15:48,713 This is the peg, and these are the dowels 334 00:15:48,715 --> 00:15:50,949 That are locking it in place. 335 00:15:50,951 --> 00:15:53,685 So it's a really rigid construction. 336 00:15:53,687 --> 00:15:56,354 Watertight joint right here, right? 337 00:15:56,356 --> 00:15:58,456 And then not only that, 338 00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:00,858 But the phoenicians did one better. 339 00:16:00,860 --> 00:16:05,163 They were the first to use iron nails in the construction. 340 00:16:05,165 --> 00:16:08,199 So this was what helped make the phoenician ships 341 00:16:08,201 --> 00:16:13,071 Undoubtedly the strongest ships ever produced at that time. 342 00:16:13,073 --> 00:16:16,507 The way it's built, I mean this thing looks like a tank, 343 00:16:16,509 --> 00:16:20,345 Which brings me to a question I want to ask you back up top. 344 00:16:20,347 --> 00:16:21,612 Sure. 345 00:16:21,614 --> 00:16:27,685 ♪♪ 346 00:16:27,687 --> 00:16:32,190 So, one sail and one mast. 347 00:16:32,192 --> 00:16:34,659 I'm a little skeptical that a ship 348 00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:37,929 Could navigate the open oceans with one sail. 349 00:16:37,931 --> 00:16:44,035 Certainly one sail makes sailing a real challenge. 350 00:16:44,037 --> 00:16:45,536 However, the phoenicians were clever people. 351 00:16:45,538 --> 00:16:48,873 They knew which way the winds and currents were flowing. 352 00:16:48,875 --> 00:16:50,274 The open ocean would have presented 353 00:16:50,276 --> 00:16:52,477 No fears for the phoenicians. 354 00:16:52,479 --> 00:16:54,712 Wolter: There's good reason to believe the phoenicians 355 00:16:54,714 --> 00:16:57,048 Circumnavigated africa. 356 00:16:57,050 --> 00:16:59,851 They made a statement that, as they sailed, 357 00:16:59,853 --> 00:17:03,087 They had the sun on their right to northward of them. 358 00:17:03,089 --> 00:17:04,856 That's only possible if they rounded 359 00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:07,592 The cape of good hope while heading west, 360 00:17:07,594 --> 00:17:10,228 Which no one had ever done before. 361 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:14,999 Then in 1990, in senegal, the most western point in africa, 362 00:17:15,001 --> 00:17:18,603 French anthropologists studied 14 unfamiliar letters 363 00:17:18,605 --> 00:17:21,606 Found on cattle brands and determined the closest match 364 00:17:21,608 --> 00:17:25,076 Was phoenician, not greek, latin, 365 00:17:25,078 --> 00:17:28,980 Chinese, or any african language, but phoenician. 366 00:17:28,982 --> 00:17:32,316 Wolter: How far have you taken this out on the open ocean? 367 00:17:32,318 --> 00:17:34,452 We've been around some of the toughest points, 368 00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:36,721 Like going around the cape of good hope. 369 00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:40,525 But in the atlantic, you know, we got pushed right out, 370 00:17:40,527 --> 00:17:42,360 And at one point we were just 371 00:17:42,362 --> 00:17:44,796 700 miles from the florida coast. 372 00:17:44,798 --> 00:17:47,165 So we spent 80-odd days in the atlantic. 373 00:17:47,167 --> 00:17:49,967 Okay, if you got within 700 miles of florida, 374 00:17:49,969 --> 00:17:53,504 How many days if you wanted to go to florida would it take? 375 00:17:53,506 --> 00:17:55,006 It would have taken probably 376 00:17:55,008 --> 00:17:58,876 Another 10 or 12 days to get to america from there. 377 00:17:58,878 --> 00:18:00,578 Well philip, I'm very impressed, 378 00:18:00,580 --> 00:18:02,780 And you've pretty much answered all my questions, 379 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:04,816 But let me ask you point blank. 380 00:18:04,818 --> 00:18:08,219 Do you think the phoenicians made it to north america? 381 00:18:08,221 --> 00:18:12,390 ♪♪ 382 00:18:18,998 --> 00:18:24,335 ♪♪ 383 00:18:24,337 --> 00:18:29,740 ♪♪ 384 00:18:29,742 --> 00:18:31,309 Wolter: Let me ask you point blank. 385 00:18:31,311 --> 00:18:36,013 Do you think the phoenicians made it to north america? 386 00:18:36,015 --> 00:18:38,716 Yeah, I believe that they did make it there. 387 00:18:38,718 --> 00:18:40,718 They had the ability, they had the means, 388 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,155 And undoubtedly, they had the ships that could have done it. 389 00:18:44,157 --> 00:18:47,225 What we need to find is the proof. 390 00:18:47,227 --> 00:18:49,260 I have a hunch the key to this mystery 391 00:18:49,262 --> 00:18:51,195 Lies in what the phoenicians 392 00:18:51,197 --> 00:18:53,197 Brought back from their voyages. 393 00:18:53,199 --> 00:18:54,432 The ships that herodotus 394 00:18:54,434 --> 00:18:56,968 Talks about circumnavigating africa, 395 00:18:56,970 --> 00:18:58,402 They would have been trading vessels. 396 00:18:58,404 --> 00:19:00,738 Right. So they were carrying big loads. 397 00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:03,441 Copper is one thing that I think about. 398 00:19:03,443 --> 00:19:05,810 They were certainly huge metal traders, 399 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:07,778 And the middle east was always short of metal. 400 00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:10,214 Wolter: Historians struggle to explain 401 00:19:10,216 --> 00:19:14,352 Where all the copper used in europe's bronze age came from. 402 00:19:14,354 --> 00:19:16,454 It's got me wondering, "could the phoenicians 403 00:19:16,456 --> 00:19:18,756 Have brought it back with them from wyoming, 404 00:19:18,758 --> 00:19:21,459 Where copper mining was once big business?" 405 00:19:21,461 --> 00:19:22,660 Wolter: Basically, you're telling me 406 00:19:22,662 --> 00:19:23,895 They could have made it to the gulf. 407 00:19:23,897 --> 00:19:25,863 The question I want to know is could your ship 408 00:19:25,865 --> 00:19:28,032 Go up a river, and if so how far? 409 00:19:28,034 --> 00:19:30,234 A ship like this could certainly 410 00:19:30,236 --> 00:19:33,204 Navigate up a river quite a long way. 411 00:19:33,206 --> 00:19:35,139 I've always believed that science one day 412 00:19:35,141 --> 00:19:37,775 Will prove that the phoenicians got to america. 413 00:19:37,777 --> 00:19:40,044 Well, you and I are on the same page there. 414 00:19:40,046 --> 00:19:47,818 ♪♪ 415 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:55,593 ♪♪ 416 00:19:55,595 --> 00:19:58,196 Wolter: Now that I have no doubt the phoenicians 417 00:19:58,198 --> 00:20:00,231 Could have sailed to north america 418 00:20:00,233 --> 00:20:02,466 And through rivers in its interior, 419 00:20:02,468 --> 00:20:06,370 I need to take this investigation to the next level. 420 00:20:06,372 --> 00:20:08,239 I'm back in wyoming to check out 421 00:20:08,241 --> 00:20:11,442 An old copper mine with a local historian. 422 00:20:11,444 --> 00:20:12,710 My goal? 423 00:20:12,712 --> 00:20:15,513 To find a representative sample of native copper 424 00:20:15,515 --> 00:20:18,816 So I can compare it to the copper the phoenicians used. 425 00:20:18,818 --> 00:20:20,318 You really think that the phoenicians 426 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,753 Came all the way out here to wyoming? 427 00:20:22,755 --> 00:20:24,755 Well, I'm not saying that they did come. 428 00:20:24,757 --> 00:20:26,490 I'm saying that they could've come. 429 00:20:26,492 --> 00:20:30,595 If they did come, they had to have had strong motivation, 430 00:20:30,597 --> 00:20:32,630 And in my mind the strong motivation 431 00:20:32,632 --> 00:20:34,432 Would have been copper, 432 00:20:34,434 --> 00:20:36,067 But I want to investigate it, 433 00:20:36,069 --> 00:20:39,270 And I think I have way we might be able to test it 434 00:20:39,272 --> 00:20:42,974 To really bring some strong evidence, if it works out. 435 00:20:42,976 --> 00:20:45,443 Wolter: If I can find some copper from the area, 436 00:20:45,445 --> 00:20:48,079 I can compare it to copper the phoenicians used 437 00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:52,149 To create bronze to see if it's of the same purity. 438 00:20:52,151 --> 00:20:54,585 But first, I have to get to the mine, 439 00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:56,988 And that's not gonna be a walk in the park. 440 00:20:56,990 --> 00:21:06,397 ♪♪ 441 00:21:06,399 --> 00:21:10,134 Because of the mining industry, both past and present, 442 00:21:10,136 --> 00:21:12,970 Wyoming is crisscrossed with rugged roads 443 00:21:12,972 --> 00:21:17,208 Used to haul everything from coal to gems and metals 444 00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:19,377 Like the copper I'm going to find. 445 00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:27,752 ♪♪ 446 00:21:27,754 --> 00:21:36,127 ♪♪ 447 00:21:36,129 --> 00:21:37,495 And look at these ruins here. 448 00:21:37,497 --> 00:21:39,096 This is the ferris-haggarty mine. 449 00:21:39,098 --> 00:21:42,066 They discovered copper here in 1897. 450 00:21:42,068 --> 00:21:45,603 It caused this entire area to absolutely boom. 451 00:21:45,605 --> 00:21:48,539 Over 5,000 people migrated to this area 452 00:21:48,541 --> 00:21:50,007 For the copper mining boom. 453 00:21:50,009 --> 00:21:53,678 If this was such a booming heyday at one time, 454 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,980 Copper everywhere, what happened? 455 00:21:55,982 --> 00:21:59,650 Around 1908, copper prices plunged. 456 00:21:59,652 --> 00:22:01,118 They absolutely plunged. 457 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:05,690 On top of that, there were a series of fires at the smelter, 458 00:22:05,692 --> 00:22:09,727 And so it becomes very difficult to keep the profits going. 459 00:22:09,729 --> 00:22:11,595 Well, actually, that makes a lot of sense, you know. 460 00:22:11,597 --> 00:22:14,732 It was like a perfect storm of bad luck. 461 00:22:14,734 --> 00:22:16,834 What I'd like to do is see if we can find 462 00:22:16,836 --> 00:22:19,637 A good piece of native copper 463 00:22:19,639 --> 00:22:21,772 Or a rock that has native copper in it, 464 00:22:21,774 --> 00:22:23,941 And I'd like to test it with some copper 465 00:22:23,943 --> 00:22:25,643 That we know came from europe 466 00:22:25,645 --> 00:22:27,912 That's associated with the phoenicians 467 00:22:27,914 --> 00:22:31,315 Because we can look for trace elements in both pieces. 468 00:22:31,317 --> 00:22:33,984 These trace elements are like a dna fingerprint, 469 00:22:33,986 --> 00:22:37,088 And the copper here is gonna have its own dna fingerprint. 470 00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:41,092 If we can get a match, well, now we're cooking with gas. 471 00:22:41,094 --> 00:22:44,362 The guy who finds the best piece buys the beer. 472 00:22:44,364 --> 00:22:45,863 -Deal. -All right, man. 473 00:22:45,865 --> 00:22:47,331 Let's go! 474 00:22:49,302 --> 00:22:52,503 Wolter: To find copper, I'm looking for green. 475 00:22:52,505 --> 00:22:55,473 There's a fancy name for it -- verdigris. 476 00:22:55,475 --> 00:22:57,641 That's the color you get when copper's weathered 477 00:22:57,643 --> 00:23:01,812 And exposed to air or sea water over time. 478 00:23:01,814 --> 00:23:04,949 All the copper in this mine will have the same purity, 479 00:23:04,951 --> 00:23:07,752 But I'm looking for a piece with a solid copper vein 480 00:23:07,754 --> 00:23:11,889 Running through it that's big enough to test. 481 00:23:11,891 --> 00:23:13,891 -See all this stuff? -Yep. 482 00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:15,626 This is the stuff I wanted to see. 483 00:23:15,628 --> 00:23:18,195 What it tells you is there's definitely copper here, 484 00:23:18,197 --> 00:23:20,798 So it's obviously it's coming out of the water. 485 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,566 Wolter: My goal is to connect the dots 486 00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:25,035 From lorene bolen's good luck charm 487 00:23:25,037 --> 00:23:27,238 To the phoenicians who may have carved it 488 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,708 To the copper they may have come to wyoming to mine. 489 00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:33,978 Once I find a good-sized sample of wyoming copper, 490 00:23:33,980 --> 00:23:37,581 I'll test it to see if it has the same elemental fingerprint 491 00:23:37,583 --> 00:23:40,717 As copper used in phoenician artifacts. 492 00:23:40,719 --> 00:23:42,953 If it does, it might be strong evidence 493 00:23:42,955 --> 00:23:44,688 That the phoenicians came here, 494 00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:47,691 And brought this copper back home. 495 00:23:47,693 --> 00:23:49,994 Wolter: So, this is one of the main shafts, I assume. 496 00:23:49,996 --> 00:23:51,028 Yes, it is. 497 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:52,596 Okay. 498 00:23:52,598 --> 00:23:53,998 "bad air." -yep. 499 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,266 -"keep out." -yep. 500 00:23:55,268 --> 00:23:57,601 -Skull and crossbones? -I'm not going near there. 501 00:23:57,603 --> 00:23:59,737 I'm not going in there either. 502 00:23:59,739 --> 00:24:01,305 Clearly the water's flowing out 503 00:24:01,307 --> 00:24:02,573 And it's coloring the rocks. 504 00:24:02,575 --> 00:24:05,709 There's got to be some copper specimens here. 505 00:24:05,711 --> 00:24:08,846 ♪♪ 506 00:24:08,848 --> 00:24:11,982 There's some. 507 00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:14,885 Most copper is not gonna be visible, right? 508 00:24:14,887 --> 00:24:17,021 But I bet you there's some in here. 509 00:24:19,258 --> 00:24:20,791 Oh, yeah, I can see it. 510 00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:22,960 If you look close, you can see it with the naked eye, 511 00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:25,196 But yeah, it's peppered all through there. 512 00:24:25,198 --> 00:24:27,364 -Can I see? -Yeah, absolutely. 513 00:24:27,366 --> 00:24:29,967 Can I take that one? -Absolutely, it's yours. 514 00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:32,603 So, remember what I said 515 00:24:32,605 --> 00:24:34,305 About the guy who finds the copper? 516 00:24:34,307 --> 00:24:36,340 Yeah, that he's the one who buys the beers. 517 00:24:36,342 --> 00:24:37,541 That's not what I remember. 518 00:24:37,543 --> 00:24:38,876 -No? -But I tell you what. 519 00:24:38,878 --> 00:24:40,478 Either way, we both win. 520 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,779 Okay, sounds good. 521 00:24:41,781 --> 00:24:48,552 ♪♪ 522 00:24:48,554 --> 00:24:55,292 ♪♪ 523 00:24:55,294 --> 00:24:57,528 Wolter: What I need to do next is figure out 524 00:24:57,530 --> 00:25:00,264 If the copper in this sample from wyoming 525 00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:04,168 Matches the purity of the copper found in phoenician artifacts. 526 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:07,338 And I'm back in minnesota to do just that. 527 00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:10,174 If it has the same elemental fingerprint, 528 00:25:10,176 --> 00:25:12,243 Then I'll have even more reason to believe 529 00:25:12,245 --> 00:25:14,211 The phoenicians made it to america, 530 00:25:14,213 --> 00:25:17,548 Took the copper back home, and possibly left behind 531 00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:22,853 The inscription lorene bolen found when she was a kid. 532 00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,989 Lori, the reason I'm here is 533 00:25:24,991 --> 00:25:27,658 I was recently at a copper mine in wyoming, 534 00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:29,159 And I collected a sample, 535 00:25:29,161 --> 00:25:31,095 And what I'd like you to help me with 536 00:25:31,097 --> 00:25:34,498 Is to test it for its trace element content. 537 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,200 Definitely, we're gonna be able to image it 538 00:25:36,202 --> 00:25:38,235 And get elemental information. 539 00:25:38,237 --> 00:25:40,604 I'm investigating the possibility that phoenicians 540 00:25:40,606 --> 00:25:44,208 Came to north america over 2,000 years ago. 541 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:48,245 If its trace element profile will match known samples 542 00:25:48,247 --> 00:25:49,880 That have already been tested, 543 00:25:49,882 --> 00:25:52,216 That will go a long way to proving that the phoenicians 544 00:25:52,218 --> 00:25:55,452 Came to north america, collected copper, 545 00:25:55,454 --> 00:25:57,221 And then brought it back. 546 00:25:57,223 --> 00:25:58,255 Sound like something we can do? 547 00:25:58,257 --> 00:25:59,256 Yeah, absolutely. 548 00:25:59,258 --> 00:26:00,824 I've got the sample right here. 549 00:26:00,826 --> 00:26:04,395 One concern that I've got, between extracting this 550 00:26:04,397 --> 00:26:06,530 And everybody looking at it, handling it, 551 00:26:06,532 --> 00:26:09,266 That the surface could be contaminated. 552 00:26:09,268 --> 00:26:11,936 So it might be better if we can get a fresh cleave 553 00:26:11,938 --> 00:26:15,205 Off of this to have a pristine surface to analyze. 554 00:26:15,207 --> 00:26:16,807 Well, it's certainly been handled, 555 00:26:16,809 --> 00:26:20,611 So I understand the contamination possibility. 556 00:26:20,613 --> 00:26:23,113 Let's take a look. 557 00:26:23,115 --> 00:26:25,683 You know what, we have a fracture right here. 558 00:26:25,685 --> 00:26:27,084 Oh, perfect. 559 00:26:27,086 --> 00:26:30,754 Actually, we have a crack that goes all the way around. 560 00:26:30,756 --> 00:26:34,325 If we pop this thing with your chisel and hammer, 561 00:26:34,327 --> 00:26:37,761 I bet we'll probably be able to get two pieces. 562 00:26:37,763 --> 00:26:38,762 Okay. 563 00:26:38,764 --> 00:26:43,634 ♪♪ 564 00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:46,503 I'm gonna hit it right along there. 565 00:26:46,505 --> 00:26:48,639 Let's see how it goes, ready? 566 00:26:50,476 --> 00:26:52,042 Perfect. 567 00:26:52,044 --> 00:26:55,879 Wolter: Now we have two uncontaminated surfaces to examine, 568 00:26:55,881 --> 00:26:58,649 So we fire up the scanning electron microscope 569 00:26:58,651 --> 00:27:00,217 To take a close look. 570 00:27:00,219 --> 00:27:03,921 It magnifies what we're seeing 10,000 times. 571 00:27:03,923 --> 00:27:06,523 -So we've got the sample here. -Okay. 572 00:27:06,525 --> 00:27:08,292 Then we'll get this in the instrument. 573 00:27:08,294 --> 00:27:13,797 ♪♪ 574 00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:15,366 Lavanier: There's an electron beam 575 00:27:15,368 --> 00:27:18,769 That's going to be striking the surface of the sample, 576 00:27:18,771 --> 00:27:20,270 And that's what we're actually using 577 00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:23,007 To detect the elemental composition of the sample. 578 00:27:23,009 --> 00:27:25,809 Okay, so you're gonna be hitting it with electrons, 579 00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:28,746 And it will record those and give us the quantity, right? 580 00:27:28,748 --> 00:27:30,381 -Yes. -Perfect. 581 00:27:30,383 --> 00:27:33,450 -Well, let's turn the beam on. -All right. 582 00:27:33,452 --> 00:27:36,820 Wolter: We're going to zap our copper sample with an electron beam. 583 00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:40,290 When that happens, elements will fly off our rock. 584 00:27:40,292 --> 00:27:41,925 The scanning electron microscope 585 00:27:41,927 --> 00:27:44,695 Will catch those pieces and analyze them. 586 00:27:44,697 --> 00:27:48,465 That's how we figure out exactly what this rock is made of. 587 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:51,301 We're looking for a fleck of copper to zoom in on. 588 00:27:51,303 --> 00:27:52,803 That's a nice shot. 589 00:27:52,805 --> 00:27:53,837 Can we grab that photo? 590 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:55,239 -Yep. -That's beautiful... 591 00:27:55,241 --> 00:27:56,273 ...As rocks go. 592 00:27:56,275 --> 00:27:58,409 [ both laugh ] 593 00:27:58,411 --> 00:28:01,145 Wolter: Now that we're zeroed in, we can see 594 00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:03,247 What this rock is made of. 595 00:28:03,249 --> 00:28:06,250 You can see things are moving and glowing a little bit. 596 00:28:06,252 --> 00:28:08,385 So the heavier the element, the brighter it'll appear 597 00:28:08,387 --> 00:28:09,887 On the screen. 598 00:28:09,889 --> 00:28:13,490 So copper on this should appear somewhat brighter. 599 00:28:13,492 --> 00:28:15,893 This brightest region here might be the area of interest 600 00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:17,895 So let's take a scan in here. -Yeah, let's zoom 601 00:28:17,897 --> 00:28:19,396 In there and see what we get. 602 00:28:21,567 --> 00:28:23,434 Ah, very interesting. 603 00:28:23,436 --> 00:28:26,437 ♪♪ 604 00:28:33,012 --> 00:28:42,519 ♪♪ 605 00:28:42,521 --> 00:28:44,922 Wolter: As lori zooms in on the copper sample, 606 00:28:44,924 --> 00:28:48,625 I can tell she sees something important. 607 00:28:48,627 --> 00:28:50,360 Ah, very interesting. 608 00:28:50,362 --> 00:28:52,262 Are you getting a pretty strong peak for copper. 609 00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:56,633 It's fairly strong, but equally as strong with iron. 610 00:28:56,635 --> 00:28:59,169 Okay, so those are in there together? 611 00:28:59,171 --> 00:29:00,904 Yes. 612 00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:05,375 Copper, iron, sulfur, silicon, aluminum, magnesium. 613 00:29:05,377 --> 00:29:06,977 Okay. 614 00:29:06,979 --> 00:29:09,847 Wolter: My sample isn't pure copper, and neither is the rest 615 00:29:09,849 --> 00:29:12,316 Of the copper at the ferris-haggarty mine. 616 00:29:12,318 --> 00:29:14,952 It doesn't even come close. 617 00:29:14,954 --> 00:29:19,123 So we're talking 41, almost 42% copper. 618 00:29:19,125 --> 00:29:22,693 It has lots a copper in it, but it has lots of other stuff. 619 00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:25,062 Unfortunately lori, that's just not gonna do it. 620 00:29:25,064 --> 00:29:27,131 That is not a high enough concentration 621 00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:28,732 Because the samples that I wanted 622 00:29:28,734 --> 00:29:33,070 To compare it with were 98% and 99% pure copper. 623 00:29:33,072 --> 00:29:34,371 We're a long way from that. 624 00:29:34,373 --> 00:29:36,740 Wolter: I did a little more digging and found out 625 00:29:36,742 --> 00:29:39,743 There aren't any ultra-pure copper deposits 626 00:29:39,745 --> 00:29:42,613 In wyoming or anywhere else in the u.S., 627 00:29:42,615 --> 00:29:45,415 Except for michigan's upper peninsula. 628 00:29:45,417 --> 00:29:49,086 A few years back, I investigated the perplexing mine pits 629 00:29:49,088 --> 00:29:50,988 In the great lakes region. 630 00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:53,090 Someone pulled copper out of there, 631 00:29:53,092 --> 00:29:56,627 And the big mystery has always been, "who did it?" 632 00:29:56,629 --> 00:29:59,863 I gave credit to the minoans, an earlier sailing culture 633 00:29:59,865 --> 00:30:03,333 Who disappeared mysteriously from the island of crete 634 00:30:03,335 --> 00:30:05,636 In 1200 b.C. 635 00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:08,272 Now, I feel strongly that phoenicians went 636 00:30:08,274 --> 00:30:09,673 To the great lakes, too. 637 00:30:09,675 --> 00:30:12,342 The copper in wyoming wouldn't have satisfied them. 638 00:30:12,344 --> 00:30:15,245 That's not anywhere near what I think 639 00:30:15,247 --> 00:30:17,114 The phoenicians would be looking for. 640 00:30:17,116 --> 00:30:20,751 Back then, if they came up to this part of the country, 641 00:30:20,753 --> 00:30:24,788 In the saint lawrence river to the great lakes area, 642 00:30:24,790 --> 00:30:26,423 You're gonna find copper that, 643 00:30:26,425 --> 00:30:28,559 After the glaciers had melted away, 644 00:30:28,561 --> 00:30:30,594 Was just laying on the ground. 645 00:30:30,596 --> 00:30:33,497 99% plus pure copper. 646 00:30:33,499 --> 00:30:36,366 And to me, that would make a heck of a lot more sense 647 00:30:36,368 --> 00:30:39,469 Than trying to mine this material that you would have 648 00:30:39,471 --> 00:30:41,738 To smelt to concentrate the copper. 649 00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:44,842 And that's expensive, time consuming. 650 00:30:44,844 --> 00:30:46,710 They wouldn't have done that over here. 651 00:30:46,712 --> 00:30:49,012 They would go for the easy pickings. 652 00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:51,582 Wolter: Bottom line, this copper isn't 653 00:30:51,584 --> 00:30:53,951 What the phoenicians were using in europe. 654 00:30:53,953 --> 00:30:56,620 This doesn't prove that the phoenicians didn't come 655 00:30:56,622 --> 00:30:59,556 To wyoming, it just doesn't help our case. 656 00:30:59,558 --> 00:31:07,064 ♪♪ 657 00:31:07,066 --> 00:31:14,438 ♪♪ 658 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,340 Wolter: I'll admit it, I'm disappointed the copper 659 00:31:16,342 --> 00:31:19,042 In wyoming isn't pure enough for the phoenicians 660 00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:20,510 To bother with. 661 00:31:20,512 --> 00:31:23,146 That doesn't mean that they didn't come to wyoming, 662 00:31:23,148 --> 00:31:24,948 Or that lorene bolen didn't find 663 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:27,251 An authentic phoenician artifact. 664 00:31:27,253 --> 00:31:28,852 My new theory? 665 00:31:28,854 --> 00:31:31,321 That minoans handed copper and their knowledge 666 00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:35,192 Of the new world to their neighbors, the phoenicians. 667 00:31:35,194 --> 00:31:36,927 It's a pretty narrow window. 668 00:31:36,929 --> 00:31:39,730 The minoans vanish around 1200 b.C., 669 00:31:39,732 --> 00:31:43,233 And that's when phoenician script first appears. 670 00:31:43,235 --> 00:31:45,869 Still, the ancients knew a lot, 671 00:31:45,871 --> 00:31:47,704 More than we give them credit for. 672 00:31:47,706 --> 00:31:50,941 Sometimes knowledge gets lost over time. 673 00:31:50,943 --> 00:31:53,143 That's why I'm going to check out the map collection 674 00:31:53,145 --> 00:31:57,414 At the world-class library here in minneapolis. 675 00:31:57,416 --> 00:32:00,817 They have an ancient map that I think has a hidden detail 676 00:32:00,819 --> 00:32:03,453 To help prove the phoenicians came here 677 00:32:03,455 --> 00:32:05,722 Long before columbus. 678 00:32:05,724 --> 00:32:07,157 -Hello, marguerite. -Hi, scott. 679 00:32:07,159 --> 00:32:08,425 Nice to meet you. 680 00:32:08,427 --> 00:32:09,760 Welcome the james ford bell library. 681 00:32:09,762 --> 00:32:11,228 Well, thank you. 682 00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:14,064 I understand that you have some of the oldest surviving maps 683 00:32:14,066 --> 00:32:15,299 In the world, is that true? 684 00:32:15,301 --> 00:32:16,700 That's true. 685 00:32:16,702 --> 00:32:19,569 The bell library has more than 40,000 items dating back 686 00:32:19,571 --> 00:32:21,905 To the year 400. -Amazing. 687 00:32:21,907 --> 00:32:24,474 What I'm specifically looking for is a copy 688 00:32:24,476 --> 00:32:27,911 Of claudius ptolemy's "geographia." 689 00:32:27,913 --> 00:32:29,646 I pulled two from the late 15th century 690 00:32:29,648 --> 00:32:31,581 For you, so let's go take a look. 691 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:35,452 Wolter: Claudius ptolemy was a 2nd century 692 00:32:35,454 --> 00:32:38,488 Greco-roman geographer famous for creating 693 00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:42,192 An atlas called "geographia." 694 00:32:42,194 --> 00:32:48,065 This is a ptolemy atlas printed in 1490. 695 00:32:48,067 --> 00:32:51,868 If this is late-15th century, ptolemy lived back 696 00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:54,071 In the 2nd century, right? -That's correct. 697 00:32:54,073 --> 00:32:56,239 Wow! Look at that. 698 00:32:56,241 --> 00:32:58,775 So this is over 500 years old. -It is! 699 00:32:58,777 --> 00:33:00,410 It's amazing! 700 00:33:00,412 --> 00:33:04,114 Wolter: It's amazing, but I have to admit, it barely resembles 701 00:33:04,116 --> 00:33:08,018 A world map of today, and I can't tell what I'm looking at. 702 00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:09,886 This one is only a few years later. 703 00:33:09,888 --> 00:33:11,888 It's in color, so it's a little bit easier to see. 704 00:33:11,890 --> 00:33:14,191 Help me understand what's going on here. 705 00:33:14,193 --> 00:33:17,060 What am I looking at? -This is the known world. 706 00:33:17,062 --> 00:33:20,430 The world of ptolemy didn't really understand 707 00:33:20,432 --> 00:33:23,333 That the ocean goes any further. 708 00:33:23,335 --> 00:33:25,869 So that's the extent of the known world 709 00:33:25,871 --> 00:33:27,938 As far as he was concerned. 710 00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:30,741 Wolter: There are only three continents on ptolemy's map -- 711 00:33:30,743 --> 00:33:31,875 Europe, 712 00:33:31,877 --> 00:33:33,977 Africa, 713 00:33:33,979 --> 00:33:35,479 And asia. 714 00:33:35,481 --> 00:33:38,181 And they are a total different shape than you'd expect. 715 00:33:38,183 --> 00:33:40,384 Compared to a modern-day map, 716 00:33:40,386 --> 00:33:43,820 Countries like Italy look horizontal. 717 00:33:43,822 --> 00:33:45,389 But why? 718 00:33:45,391 --> 00:33:47,858 Ragnow: He actually calculated the circumference 719 00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:50,093 Of the earth too small. 720 00:33:50,095 --> 00:33:53,130 And then, to make his theory work, ptolemy sort of fudged 721 00:33:53,132 --> 00:33:57,034 The way he fit things in so that he can get everything 722 00:33:57,036 --> 00:34:01,772 To work within the two points that he says are 723 00:34:01,774 --> 00:34:03,874 The limits of the known world. 724 00:34:03,876 --> 00:34:06,143 Wolter: Not long ago, an italian researcher 725 00:34:06,145 --> 00:34:08,278 Named lucio russo made 726 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,782 A startling claim that this map actually does show more 727 00:34:11,784 --> 00:34:14,851 Of the world than anyone ever considered. 728 00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:17,054 And that's what I came here to see. 729 00:34:17,056 --> 00:34:20,057 What I'm interested in now is looking here 730 00:34:20,059 --> 00:34:22,092 At these islands right here. 731 00:34:22,094 --> 00:34:23,994 So those are labeled the fortunate islands, 732 00:34:23,996 --> 00:34:27,431 Which we believe ptolemy meant the canary islands. 733 00:34:27,433 --> 00:34:28,732 But we don't know that for sure, right? 734 00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:29,966 We don't. 735 00:34:29,968 --> 00:34:32,002 Wolter: Taking into account ptolemy's mistake 736 00:34:32,004 --> 00:34:35,272 In his latitude calculation, lucio russo deduced 737 00:34:35,274 --> 00:34:38,742 That these islands pictured off the coast of africa are not 738 00:34:38,744 --> 00:34:42,312 The canary islands, as historians long believe, 739 00:34:42,314 --> 00:34:44,648 But actually, the lesser antilles. 740 00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:48,285 Islands like dominica, st. Lucia, and trinidad 741 00:34:48,287 --> 00:34:49,653 In the new world. 742 00:34:49,655 --> 00:34:52,589 Wolter: Russo says that they are the antilles. 743 00:34:52,591 --> 00:34:55,759 Ragnow: He's arguing that these aren't the canaries 744 00:34:55,761 --> 00:34:58,662 That these are actually the antilles 745 00:34:58,664 --> 00:35:02,199 That ptolemy just puts way too close to the continent. 746 00:35:02,201 --> 00:35:04,101 If these are really the antilles, 747 00:35:04,103 --> 00:35:06,970 Than somebody must have discovered them 748 00:35:06,972 --> 00:35:08,271 And communicated that information 749 00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:09,773 Back to ancient greece. 750 00:35:09,775 --> 00:35:11,241 Somebody had to have been there. 751 00:35:11,243 --> 00:35:12,776 Somebody had to have been there. 752 00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:15,112 Somebody knew about the new world, going back 753 00:35:15,114 --> 00:35:16,913 To ptolemy's time and before... 754 00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:18,148 Probably before. 755 00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:20,050 And really, the only candidate we have, 756 00:35:20,052 --> 00:35:21,451 The most logical candidate, would have 757 00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:22,486 To be the phoenicians. 758 00:35:22,488 --> 00:35:25,489 ♪♪ 759 00:35:32,097 --> 00:35:34,798 ♪♪ 760 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,767 Wolter: Is it possible that an ancient phoenician sailor left 761 00:35:37,769 --> 00:35:40,036 Behind an artifact in wyoming? 762 00:35:40,038 --> 00:35:42,873 If so, they had to get here. 763 00:35:42,875 --> 00:35:46,643 And according to italian researcher lucio russo, 764 00:35:46,645 --> 00:35:49,713 An ancient greek map by claudius ptolemy suggests 765 00:35:49,715 --> 00:35:53,817 They may have done just that more than 2,000 years ago 766 00:35:53,819 --> 00:35:58,655 On a ship like the one philip beal recreated. 767 00:35:58,657 --> 00:36:07,664 ♪♪ 768 00:36:07,666 --> 00:36:10,734 I'm on my way to wyoming to follow up on one last thing 769 00:36:10,736 --> 00:36:14,004 That could tell me whether lorene bolen's artifact is 770 00:36:14,006 --> 00:36:17,440 The proof that's long been missing. 771 00:36:17,442 --> 00:36:20,977 Early translations from 1982 suggested it said, 772 00:36:20,979 --> 00:36:22,145 "keep safe. 773 00:36:22,147 --> 00:36:23,813 Do not break the stone. 774 00:36:23,815 --> 00:36:25,982 Misfortune it turns away. 775 00:36:25,984 --> 00:36:27,884 It protects against evil, 776 00:36:27,886 --> 00:36:30,487 Strikes harm and turns it aside." 777 00:36:30,489 --> 00:36:33,623 But I think I need a present-day scholar to weigh in, 778 00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:36,860 Someone who has the benefit of more knowledge 779 00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:42,332 That's been collected about the culture and the language. 780 00:36:42,334 --> 00:36:44,501 Well, brian, help me understand phoenician script 781 00:36:44,503 --> 00:36:45,802 A little bit. 782 00:36:45,804 --> 00:36:48,004 It's safe to say at a minimum that the phoenicians had 783 00:36:48,006 --> 00:36:50,473 A very heavy influence on the development 784 00:36:50,475 --> 00:36:52,242 Of written language, right? 785 00:36:52,244 --> 00:36:54,511 The alphabet is one of the great cultural achievements 786 00:36:54,513 --> 00:36:56,179 In all of world history, period. 787 00:36:56,181 --> 00:36:57,814 And the phoenicians played a massive role 788 00:36:57,816 --> 00:36:59,950 In making that work. 789 00:36:59,952 --> 00:37:02,552 Wolter: Before the phoenicians, cultures in the mediterranean 790 00:37:02,554 --> 00:37:03,987 Were using a lot of different 791 00:37:03,989 --> 00:37:06,122 Cuneiform symbols to communicate. 792 00:37:06,124 --> 00:37:09,659 It made it hard to trade goods with other cultures. 793 00:37:09,661 --> 00:37:12,829 The phoenicians came up with 22 letters based 794 00:37:12,831 --> 00:37:16,900 On egyptian hieroglyphics in the 12th century b.C., 795 00:37:16,902 --> 00:37:19,069 Which they encouraged other cultures to adopt 796 00:37:19,071 --> 00:37:22,205 And which inspired our alphabet today. 797 00:37:22,207 --> 00:37:24,040 They can't be credited with inventing 798 00:37:24,042 --> 00:37:25,909 The alphabet from scratch. 799 00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:28,478 They can be credited with popularizing it. 800 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,547 And the phoenicians were really the pioneers. 801 00:37:30,549 --> 00:37:31,881 They did a magnificent cultural service 802 00:37:31,883 --> 00:37:33,516 With their alphabet. 803 00:37:33,518 --> 00:37:34,818 We know that that the phoenicians were, 804 00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:36,386 In a word, amazing. 805 00:37:36,388 --> 00:37:38,521 And we know that the phoenicians went all 806 00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:39,789 Throughout the mediterranean. 807 00:37:39,791 --> 00:37:41,925 We know that they broke across the top of africa 808 00:37:41,927 --> 00:37:44,227 And down, maybe circumnavigated africa, 809 00:37:44,229 --> 00:37:46,329 Maybe were the first people from the region 810 00:37:46,331 --> 00:37:48,198 To break out into the atlantic ocean. 811 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,466 Well, we'll see here. 812 00:37:49,468 --> 00:37:50,967 It's moment of truth. -Yes. 813 00:37:50,969 --> 00:37:54,070 Here is the stone. 814 00:37:54,072 --> 00:37:56,339 Ah, very nice. 815 00:37:56,341 --> 00:37:57,841 Barry fell was somebody they considered 816 00:37:57,843 --> 00:37:59,009 To be an expert. 817 00:37:59,011 --> 00:38:00,877 He said it was definitely phoenician. 818 00:38:00,879 --> 00:38:02,579 I'm honored that you asked me to take a look at it. 819 00:38:02,581 --> 00:38:04,314 I love things like this. It's a great little piece. 820 00:38:04,316 --> 00:38:06,283 I mean, when I look at it, clearly 821 00:38:06,285 --> 00:38:08,885 Somebody was doing something on this, right. 822 00:38:08,887 --> 00:38:10,086 So you agree it's manmade? 823 00:38:10,088 --> 00:38:12,489 Somebody was inscribing something on this. 824 00:38:12,491 --> 00:38:14,357 I mean, these are very distinctive marks. 825 00:38:14,359 --> 00:38:17,861 I wanted to get an opinion of an expert today. 826 00:38:17,863 --> 00:38:20,964 Somebody who has the benefit of new knowledge. 827 00:38:20,966 --> 00:38:23,066 And so, I ask you, 828 00:38:23,068 --> 00:38:26,369 Is this a legitimate phoenician inscription? 829 00:38:26,371 --> 00:38:31,875 ♪♪ 830 00:38:39,084 --> 00:38:45,388 ♪♪ 831 00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:48,458 Wolter: I'm speaking to an expert in ancient languages 832 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:51,461 To see if the artifact lorene bolen found 833 00:38:51,463 --> 00:38:53,730 In rock springs, wyoming, is the proof 834 00:38:53,732 --> 00:38:55,999 That's long been missing that suggests 835 00:38:56,001 --> 00:39:00,337 Phoenicians made it to america 2,000 years ago. 836 00:39:00,339 --> 00:39:02,806 Is this a legitimate phoenician inscription? 837 00:39:02,808 --> 00:39:05,809 ♪♪ 838 00:39:05,811 --> 00:39:08,712 I have some bad news. 839 00:39:08,714 --> 00:39:10,046 I would say no. 840 00:39:10,048 --> 00:39:12,515 I would say it's not. 841 00:39:12,517 --> 00:39:14,651 What do you see that tells you 842 00:39:14,653 --> 00:39:17,287 That this is not phoenician? 843 00:39:17,289 --> 00:39:19,689 The phoenician script was standardized. 844 00:39:19,691 --> 00:39:21,758 Wolter: Real phoenician script, which dates 845 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,362 To the 8th century b.C., has known letters. 846 00:39:25,364 --> 00:39:28,732 And while lorene bolen's inscribed rock has a few marks 847 00:39:28,734 --> 00:39:32,836 That could be phoenician, the rest of it is unrecognizable. 848 00:39:32,838 --> 00:39:36,373 Dork: This triangular shape, a very clear horizontal one, 849 00:39:36,375 --> 00:39:39,376 But a dalet, or a letter d, pretty much like our letter d. 850 00:39:39,378 --> 00:39:40,977 A triangle, this is where we get this from. 851 00:39:40,979 --> 00:39:42,545 I mean, this is clearly something, right? 852 00:39:42,547 --> 00:39:43,747 -Oh, yeah. -This isn't nothing. 853 00:39:43,749 --> 00:39:46,282 Somebody incised these markings in here. 854 00:39:46,284 --> 00:39:48,184 The question is what is it and what were they trying 855 00:39:48,186 --> 00:39:49,419 To do, and at what time period? 856 00:39:49,421 --> 00:39:50,954 There are too many letters, though, 857 00:39:50,956 --> 00:39:53,323 That have no correspondence to any phoenician character. 858 00:39:53,325 --> 00:39:56,092 Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to deliver 859 00:39:56,094 --> 00:39:58,862 Some bad news to don and patrice. 860 00:39:58,864 --> 00:40:01,064 But in the end, the data's the data. 861 00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:02,866 The results are the results, and thanks 862 00:40:02,868 --> 00:40:05,502 For helping me get there. -My pleasure, thank you. 863 00:40:05,504 --> 00:40:09,506 ♪♪ 864 00:40:09,508 --> 00:40:11,841 Wolter: In the case of the bolen's good luck charm being 865 00:40:11,843 --> 00:40:15,578 An authentic phoenician artifact, it is bad news. 866 00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:18,148 But in the case of proving how likely it is 867 00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:22,285 Phoenicians made it to america, I think I did get lucky. 868 00:40:22,287 --> 00:40:24,854 I now have more evidence than before suggesting 869 00:40:24,856 --> 00:40:29,426 They could've made it here and back in ancient times. 870 00:40:29,428 --> 00:40:37,467 ♪♪ 871 00:40:37,469 --> 00:40:45,508 ♪♪ 872 00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:51,347 First things first, I told you I'd bring the artifact back. 873 00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:54,184 And there it is. -Thank you. 874 00:40:54,186 --> 00:40:57,353 I just met with a linguist, and his conclusion is 875 00:40:57,355 --> 00:41:01,925 This is not a genuine phoenician artifact. 876 00:41:01,927 --> 00:41:03,526 [ chuckles ] 877 00:41:03,528 --> 00:41:06,196 I wish it was real from that time. 878 00:41:06,198 --> 00:41:07,697 Not more than me. 879 00:41:07,699 --> 00:41:10,934 A little disappointed, but we know it's something, 880 00:41:10,936 --> 00:41:13,303 We just don't know what it is yet. 881 00:41:13,305 --> 00:41:14,771 This still begs the question, 882 00:41:14,773 --> 00:41:17,507 "could the phoenicians have come to north america," 883 00:41:17,509 --> 00:41:19,876 And specifically, "could they have come to wyoming?" 884 00:41:19,878 --> 00:41:21,077 The answer is "yes." 885 00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:23,847 I still think it's a great story, and I wish 886 00:41:23,849 --> 00:41:26,316 That your mother was here to hear this. 887 00:41:26,318 --> 00:41:28,685 I'd love to meet her and I'd like a little 888 00:41:28,687 --> 00:41:31,020 Of that good luck hopefully to rub off on me. 889 00:41:31,022 --> 00:41:34,524 Wolter: Well, tell you what, I would like to propose a toast 890 00:41:34,526 --> 00:41:38,061 To your mom, lorene, and continued good luck 891 00:41:38,063 --> 00:41:41,030 To your family going forward. 892 00:41:41,032 --> 00:41:42,164 -Thank you. -Thank you, cheers. 893 00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:43,399 Cheers. 894 00:41:43,401 --> 00:41:48,304 ♪♪ 895 00:41:48,306 --> 00:41:51,708 Wolter: Like I've always said, "you make your own luck." 896 00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:55,111 It's only when you examine things from all sides 897 00:41:55,113 --> 00:41:57,313 That you find what you're looking for. 898 00:41:57,315 --> 00:42:00,850 In this case, I'm convinced it's entirely possible 899 00:42:00,852 --> 00:42:03,820 The phoenicians, with their game-changing ability 900 00:42:03,822 --> 00:42:07,123 To sail the open seas, came to the new world millennia 901 00:42:07,125 --> 00:42:09,092 Before christopher columbus. 902 00:42:09,094 --> 00:42:12,896 And I think proving it is just a matter of time. 903 00:42:12,898 --> 00:42:16,533 ♪♪ 904 00:42:16,535 --> 00:42:19,869 If you have a mysterious artifact or site I need to see, 905 00:42:19,871 --> 00:42:21,304 I wanna know about it. 906 00:42:21,306 --> 00:42:25,208 Go to travelchannel.Com/ americaunearthed. 81309

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