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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,268 --> 00:00:10,075 ♪♪ 2 00:00:10,077 --> 00:00:14,746 WOLTER: The story of our past hinges on present day finds. 3 00:00:14,748 --> 00:00:17,216 This is a crazy, weird chamber, 4 00:00:17,218 --> 00:00:20,886 and it is in the middle of nowhere. 5 00:00:20,888 --> 00:00:24,823 The landscape hides the unexpected. 6 00:00:24,825 --> 00:00:26,492 Do you think that giants built this wall? 7 00:00:26,494 --> 00:00:29,494 That's for you guys to figure out. 8 00:00:29,496 --> 00:00:31,229 And the unexplored. 9 00:00:31,231 --> 00:00:33,966 That could be the entrance to the treasure. 10 00:00:33,968 --> 00:00:38,637 My job is to explain the unexplainable. 11 00:00:38,639 --> 00:00:43,108 The only question I have is, "Where am I going next?" 12 00:00:44,445 --> 00:00:48,380 The history that we were all taught growing up is wrong. 13 00:00:48,382 --> 00:00:51,049 My name is Scott Wolter, and I'm a forensic geologist. 14 00:00:52,185 --> 00:00:55,521 There's a hidden history in this country that nobody knows about. 15 00:00:55,523 --> 00:00:57,456 There are pyramids here, 16 00:00:57,458 --> 00:01:00,459 chambers, tombs, inscriptions. 17 00:01:00,461 --> 00:01:02,928 They're all over this country. 18 00:01:02,930 --> 00:01:05,264 We're gonna investigate these artifacts and sites, 19 00:01:05,266 --> 00:01:06,999 and we're gonna get to the truth. 20 00:01:07,001 --> 00:01:10,402 Sometimes, history isn't what we've been told. 21 00:01:10,404 --> 00:01:19,544 ♪♪ 22 00:01:19,546 --> 00:01:28,687 ♪♪ 23 00:01:28,689 --> 00:01:31,690 Kids have long been taught that the first European 24 00:01:31,692 --> 00:01:36,361 to reach America was Christopher Columbus in 1492, 25 00:01:36,363 --> 00:01:37,830 but that's not true. 26 00:01:37,832 --> 00:01:40,632 We now know the Vikings beat him, 27 00:01:40,634 --> 00:01:44,703 but I think other explorers did too, centuries earlier. 28 00:01:44,705 --> 00:01:47,506 I'm always looking for more definitive proof, 29 00:01:47,508 --> 00:01:50,308 and today I'm feeling lucky. 30 00:01:50,310 --> 00:01:52,844 I'm heading to Rock Springs, Wyoming, 31 00:01:52,846 --> 00:01:55,914 where a husband and wife want to show me a good luck charm 32 00:01:55,916 --> 00:01:58,317 that they believe proves the Phoenicians, 33 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:01,052 famous ancient sailors of the Mediterranean, 34 00:02:01,054 --> 00:02:02,854 came here to the Cowboy State 35 00:02:02,856 --> 00:02:05,857 over 1,000 years before Columbus. 36 00:02:05,859 --> 00:02:10,462 If they're right, it'll rewrite the history books forever. 37 00:02:10,464 --> 00:02:11,996 -Hi, guys. -Hey, hi. 38 00:02:11,998 --> 00:02:14,066 -You must be Patrice. -I am Patrice. 39 00:02:14,068 --> 00:02:15,800 -And Don. -Yep, good to meet you. 40 00:02:15,802 --> 00:02:17,069 Nice to meet you. 41 00:02:17,071 --> 00:02:19,804 So I understand you have an artifact. 42 00:02:19,806 --> 00:02:21,472 Can I take a look at it? 43 00:02:21,474 --> 00:02:24,943 -She's got it with her. -Okay. 44 00:02:24,945 --> 00:02:27,880 Wow, this is awesome! 45 00:02:27,882 --> 00:02:29,614 So who found this? 46 00:02:29,616 --> 00:02:32,151 My mom did, years ago. 47 00:02:32,153 --> 00:02:34,085 Like what, 75 years ago? 48 00:02:34,087 --> 00:02:36,087 It's a sandstone for sure. 49 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:37,890 There's definitely carved characters here. 50 00:02:37,892 --> 00:02:40,492 This is definitely manmade, no doubt about that. 51 00:02:40,494 --> 00:02:43,161 My mom, she was 12 years old when she found it. 52 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:44,763 Come upon it, and knew it was 53 00:02:44,765 --> 00:02:47,765 something more than just an ordinary rock. 54 00:02:47,767 --> 00:02:49,902 Where was it found? Somewhere up here, right? 55 00:02:49,904 --> 00:02:52,171 It was. I can take you to the general area. 56 00:02:52,173 --> 00:02:54,439 Well, I would like to see roughly where it came from. 57 00:02:54,441 --> 00:02:56,775 -All right. Let's do it. -Okay. 58 00:02:56,777 --> 00:03:00,979 WOLTER: Rock Springs is known as the home of 56 nationalities 59 00:03:00,981 --> 00:03:03,515 because an influx of immigrants came to work 60 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:06,652 in the coal mines here in the late 1800s, 61 00:03:06,654 --> 00:03:09,387 but if this artifact proves the Phoenicians came here 62 00:03:09,389 --> 00:03:12,190 2,000 years ago, they might have to start 63 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:15,727 calling it the home of 57. 64 00:03:15,729 --> 00:03:18,263 First and foremost, I want to look at the geology. 65 00:03:18,265 --> 00:03:22,267 ♪♪ 66 00:03:22,269 --> 00:03:25,470 The question is, "Could this rock have come from this area?" 67 00:03:25,472 --> 00:03:27,940 The answer is, "Yes." 68 00:03:27,942 --> 00:03:31,743 This is a sandstone, this is a sandstone, 69 00:03:31,745 --> 00:03:34,679 and if you look at them, the size of the sand grains 70 00:03:34,681 --> 00:03:37,683 in this sandstone look very similar. 71 00:03:37,685 --> 00:03:40,018 WOLTER: If the carved stone Don's mom found 72 00:03:40,020 --> 00:03:42,153 was something other than sandstone, 73 00:03:42,155 --> 00:03:45,090 we'd know it could have come from afar, 74 00:03:45,092 --> 00:03:47,893 but because more than half the exposed rock 75 00:03:47,895 --> 00:03:51,163 in the Phoenician's home base, modern day Lebanon, 76 00:03:51,165 --> 00:03:53,231 is sandstone just like this, 77 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:56,100 which is a trademark of the city's architecture, 78 00:03:56,102 --> 00:03:58,503 I need more evidence to figure out if this rock 79 00:03:58,505 --> 00:04:03,841 was carved here in Wyoming or half a world away. 80 00:04:03,843 --> 00:04:05,110 WOLTER: Why was your mother up here? 81 00:04:05,112 --> 00:04:08,046 DON: She was up here horseback riding. 82 00:04:08,048 --> 00:04:11,249 WOLTER: Lorene Bolen was a coal miner's daughter, 83 00:04:11,251 --> 00:04:15,053 who moved from rural Indiana to Wyoming when she was young. 84 00:04:15,055 --> 00:04:18,590 After losing her dad to a freak accident at age 9, 85 00:04:18,592 --> 00:04:22,060 Lorene was a kid who could use a lucky break. 86 00:04:22,062 --> 00:04:26,531 She was up here by some water tanks, 87 00:04:26,533 --> 00:04:30,202 and she stopped there and just happened to notice it. 88 00:04:30,204 --> 00:04:31,269 What happened next? 89 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:32,671 Well, she took it home. 90 00:04:32,673 --> 00:04:34,339 She had it with her a lot of the time, 91 00:04:34,341 --> 00:04:35,674 and showed it to a lot of people, 92 00:04:35,676 --> 00:04:38,476 but nobody could tell her what it was. 93 00:04:38,478 --> 00:04:41,146 She sent pictures of it to the University of Wyoming, 94 00:04:41,148 --> 00:04:42,881 and they didn't know what it was. 95 00:04:42,883 --> 00:04:45,016 She just always was trying to find out. 96 00:04:45,018 --> 00:04:46,084 She was curious. 97 00:04:46,086 --> 00:04:47,285 -She was very curious. -Very much so. 98 00:04:47,287 --> 00:04:49,154 Did she go to anyone else? 99 00:04:49,156 --> 00:04:53,692 She sent a copy of the picture to the Smithsonian. 100 00:04:53,694 --> 00:04:57,362 They sent a letter back saying it's really nothing. 101 00:04:57,364 --> 00:05:00,498 They didn't want anything to do with it, basically, 102 00:05:00,500 --> 00:05:03,835 and so she got mad and threw the letter away. 103 00:05:03,837 --> 00:05:05,236 Well, that doesn't surprise me. 104 00:05:05,238 --> 00:05:08,706 The Smithsonian doesn't particularly care for anybody 105 00:05:08,708 --> 00:05:10,041 who brings something forward 106 00:05:10,043 --> 00:05:13,512 that might change the historical narrative. 107 00:05:13,514 --> 00:05:14,913 Besides the Smithsonian, 108 00:05:14,915 --> 00:05:17,782 did anybody else look at the inscription? 109 00:05:17,784 --> 00:05:19,050 Yes. 110 00:05:19,052 --> 00:05:21,119 Here's the letter from Dr. Barry Fell 111 00:05:21,121 --> 00:05:22,988 who was immediately able 112 00:05:22,990 --> 00:05:25,457 to identify and translate the script. 113 00:05:25,459 --> 00:05:29,794 Barry Fell, he was a scholar from Harvard. 114 00:05:29,796 --> 00:05:31,529 He was one of the first guys to come out 115 00:05:31,531 --> 00:05:33,465 who was an academic to say that, "Yes, 116 00:05:33,467 --> 00:05:36,334 there were people that came here long before Columbus." 117 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:39,070 In fact, people had been coming here for thousands of years. 118 00:05:39,072 --> 00:05:42,273 It mentions Phoenician people in there. 119 00:05:42,275 --> 00:05:46,077 The way he explained it is it starts and goes, 120 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:48,413 it goes vertically first, start at the top, 121 00:05:48,415 --> 00:05:50,282 and do an S-shape on the way down. 122 00:05:50,284 --> 00:05:52,750 And here's the translation. 123 00:05:52,752 --> 00:05:53,952 Keep safe. 124 00:05:53,954 --> 00:05:56,088 Do not break the stone. 125 00:05:56,090 --> 00:05:58,556 Misfortune it turns away. 126 00:05:58,558 --> 00:06:00,425 It protects against evil. 127 00:06:00,427 --> 00:06:03,495 Strikes harm and turns it aside. 128 00:06:05,432 --> 00:06:08,567 WOLTER: We know the Phoenicians were merchant sailors. 129 00:06:08,569 --> 00:06:11,169 You see their ships and exploits depicted 130 00:06:11,171 --> 00:06:15,039 in the art of their neighbors, the Egyptians and the Greeks. 131 00:06:15,041 --> 00:06:18,443 And Herodotus, known as the world's first historian, 132 00:06:18,445 --> 00:06:20,178 wrote about the Phoenician's claim 133 00:06:20,180 --> 00:06:22,580 to have circumnavigated Africa. 134 00:06:22,582 --> 00:06:26,051 Maybe a Phoenician sailor left behind an inscribed rock 135 00:06:26,053 --> 00:06:29,321 that later became Lorene Bolen's good luck charm. 136 00:06:29,323 --> 00:06:31,790 I'm open to the idea, because of everything 137 00:06:31,792 --> 00:06:34,459 I know about the Phoenicians. 138 00:06:34,461 --> 00:06:36,194 Basically what Barry Fell is saying 139 00:06:36,196 --> 00:06:39,397 is that this is an amulet or a good luck charm. 140 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:41,933 Something to keep bad spirits away. 141 00:06:41,935 --> 00:06:43,067 Does that make sense? 142 00:06:43,069 --> 00:06:44,469 We think so. 143 00:06:44,471 --> 00:06:46,605 It does with my mom's life, yeah. 144 00:06:46,607 --> 00:06:48,473 With your mom's life, what do you mean by that? 145 00:06:48,475 --> 00:06:52,411 There was a time when she went to Jackpot, Nevada, 146 00:06:52,413 --> 00:06:55,146 when she was down to her last couple of quarters, 147 00:06:55,148 --> 00:06:59,417 put them in a slot machine, and won $48,000. 148 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:01,486 She hit it big! 149 00:07:01,488 --> 00:07:03,754 Let me guess, she attributed it 150 00:07:03,756 --> 00:07:06,157 to this good luck charm, right? 151 00:07:06,159 --> 00:07:08,960 I think in a lot of ways, she did. 152 00:07:08,962 --> 00:07:11,229 WOLTER: This isn't the first time I've investigated 153 00:07:11,231 --> 00:07:14,899 the possibility that the Phoenicians made it to America. 154 00:07:14,901 --> 00:07:17,502 A while back, I met a professor in New England 155 00:07:17,504 --> 00:07:19,838 who theorized there was a map of the world 156 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,473 hidden on the back of a Phoenician coin 157 00:07:22,475 --> 00:07:24,776 minted in 350 B.C. 158 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:28,447 ♪♪ 159 00:07:28,449 --> 00:07:30,114 WOLTER: The question is, "Could the Phoenicians 160 00:07:30,116 --> 00:07:32,650 have gotten here and carved that stone?" 161 00:07:32,652 --> 00:07:34,986 The oceans and rivers were not barriers 162 00:07:34,988 --> 00:07:36,454 like many people think. 163 00:07:36,456 --> 00:07:38,856 I mean, they were highways, super highways, 164 00:07:38,858 --> 00:07:41,927 especially going back thousands of years. 165 00:07:41,929 --> 00:07:44,462 WOLTER: I've seen evidence of pre-Columbian contact 166 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:46,664 all over the Americas. 167 00:07:46,666 --> 00:07:49,801 Ancient mariners like the Vikings, the early Irish, 168 00:07:49,803 --> 00:07:52,871 and the Polynesians left behind rock formations, 169 00:07:52,873 --> 00:07:56,407 language, and canoe building technology. 170 00:07:56,409 --> 00:07:58,276 In the case of the Polynesians, 171 00:07:58,278 --> 00:08:01,613 they even brought back foods like the sweet potato. 172 00:08:01,615 --> 00:08:03,014 Now, there's a little more 173 00:08:03,016 --> 00:08:04,549 that I'd like to do with the stone. 174 00:08:04,551 --> 00:08:05,683 I've got a microscope. 175 00:08:05,685 --> 00:08:07,085 Is it okay if we take a look? 176 00:08:07,087 --> 00:08:08,687 -Let's do it. -That would be awesome. 177 00:08:08,689 --> 00:08:10,555 Okay. 178 00:08:10,557 --> 00:08:12,958 WOLTER: The growth of microscopic organisms 179 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,628 or evidence of erosion can help me date artifacts like this. 180 00:08:16,630 --> 00:08:19,030 Okay, here we go. 181 00:08:19,032 --> 00:08:20,498 That's coming up pretty good there. 182 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:24,035 You can see the carved lines. 183 00:08:24,037 --> 00:08:26,637 Focus it just a little bit there. 184 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,842 ♪♪ 185 00:08:30,844 --> 00:08:32,910 Huh. 186 00:08:32,912 --> 00:08:37,115 I'm seeing something I don't like. 187 00:08:37,117 --> 00:08:38,783 Has somebody messed with this at all, 188 00:08:38,785 --> 00:08:40,651 or done something to it? 189 00:08:40,653 --> 00:08:43,655 ♪♪ 190 00:08:51,131 --> 00:08:58,870 ♪♪ 191 00:08:58,872 --> 00:09:06,811 ♪♪ 192 00:09:06,813 --> 00:09:09,547 I see something here I don't like. 193 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:12,283 Has somebody been messing with this? 194 00:09:12,285 --> 00:09:17,221 Yeah. My mom, naive, 195 00:09:17,223 --> 00:09:18,756 tried to get a picture of it 196 00:09:18,758 --> 00:09:21,892 and it didn't show up very well, so she took a nail to it. 197 00:09:21,894 --> 00:09:23,962 So she recut the carvings? 198 00:09:23,964 --> 00:09:27,899 She went in deeper so it would photograph better. 199 00:09:27,901 --> 00:09:30,302 WOLTER: If someone scratches over old marks, 200 00:09:30,304 --> 00:09:32,303 they might as well be fresh ones. 201 00:09:32,305 --> 00:09:35,506 She was trying to be helpful, but unfortunately for me, 202 00:09:35,508 --> 00:09:39,844 a lot of the evidence that is the most helpful in aging this 203 00:09:39,846 --> 00:09:41,246 would be in the grooves, 204 00:09:41,248 --> 00:09:43,914 and if she scratched it out, that evidence is gone. 205 00:09:43,916 --> 00:09:47,519 WOLTER: Since Lorene ran a nail across the original inscription, 206 00:09:47,521 --> 00:09:49,887 there's no way to see the natural weathering, 207 00:09:49,889 --> 00:09:54,025 and no microorganisms left inside for me to date. 208 00:09:54,027 --> 00:09:55,794 When someone uses something sharp 209 00:09:55,796 --> 00:09:58,863 to clean out an inscription, I can no longer tell 210 00:09:58,865 --> 00:10:01,066 how naturally weathered and worn 211 00:10:01,068 --> 00:10:02,800 the edges of the inscription were, 212 00:10:02,802 --> 00:10:05,336 meaning there's no way to evaluate 213 00:10:05,338 --> 00:10:07,672 how long ago it was carved. 214 00:10:07,674 --> 00:10:11,409 You know this is unfortunate, but I think I have a plan, 215 00:10:11,411 --> 00:10:14,145 another way that we can get to the bottom of this. 216 00:10:14,147 --> 00:10:21,352 ♪♪ 217 00:10:21,354 --> 00:10:24,422 WOLTER: It's too bad I won't be able to accurately date 218 00:10:24,424 --> 00:10:26,424 Lorene Bolen's carving, 219 00:10:26,426 --> 00:10:29,694 but I know of a secret Shoshone site here in Wyoming 220 00:10:29,696 --> 00:10:33,565 that might support Phoenician contact with this area 221 00:10:33,567 --> 00:10:36,100 as long as 2,000 years ago. 222 00:10:36,102 --> 00:10:42,173 ♪♪ 223 00:10:42,175 --> 00:10:48,312 ♪♪ 224 00:10:48,314 --> 00:10:51,115 WOLTER: Well, Linea, I just recently looked at an artifact 225 00:10:51,117 --> 00:10:54,919 that has been interpreted to be Phoenician script. 226 00:10:54,921 --> 00:10:57,789 The reason I am here is to see if this site 227 00:10:57,791 --> 00:10:59,524 potentially has a connection 228 00:10:59,526 --> 00:11:03,394 to the Phoenicians coming here to the New World. 229 00:11:03,396 --> 00:11:06,531 If there is a connection, we can look for it right here. 230 00:11:06,533 --> 00:11:09,333 ♪♪ 231 00:11:09,335 --> 00:11:12,070 WOLTER: I'm told there is evidence of a Shoshone legend 232 00:11:12,072 --> 00:11:15,740 called the "Water Ghost Woman" on this stone outcrop 233 00:11:15,742 --> 00:11:18,209 in the middle of nowhere. 234 00:11:18,211 --> 00:11:19,344 SUNDSTROM: Why don't you tell me 235 00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:20,812 what you think you're seeing here. 236 00:11:20,814 --> 00:11:23,348 This one here looks like a female, am I right about that? 237 00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:24,949 Mm-hmm. 238 00:11:24,951 --> 00:11:27,752 She's a ghost, and she lives in the water 239 00:11:27,754 --> 00:11:30,221 so she's called the "Water Ghost Woman." 240 00:11:30,223 --> 00:11:31,356 Okay. 241 00:11:31,358 --> 00:11:34,358 The Eastern Shoshone who lived around here, 242 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,161 this is an important figure in their belief system. 243 00:11:37,163 --> 00:11:41,299 She's depicted as either very beautiful and young, 244 00:11:41,301 --> 00:11:44,368 or as a hideous old hag. 245 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:47,839 And she can go from one to the other rapidly. 246 00:11:47,841 --> 00:11:49,841 Ah, are those tears? 247 00:11:49,843 --> 00:11:53,311 You can very plainly see the tear streaks on her face. 248 00:11:53,313 --> 00:11:56,247 When you hear her crying, you feel sorry for her 249 00:11:56,249 --> 00:11:59,851 and you want to help, so you approach the sound 250 00:11:59,853 --> 00:12:01,653 of this crying woman, and the next thing 251 00:12:01,655 --> 00:12:04,055 you know, you've been drowned. 252 00:12:04,057 --> 00:12:07,392 WOLTER: This legend is eerily similar to that of the Sirens, 253 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:11,529 characters from Greek mythology the Phoenicians believed in. 254 00:12:11,531 --> 00:12:14,132 The Sirens were dangerous creatures, 255 00:12:14,134 --> 00:12:15,466 whose enchanting songs 256 00:12:15,468 --> 00:12:18,870 drew unsuspecting sailors to shipwreck. 257 00:12:18,872 --> 00:12:22,606 WOLTER: Maybe this indicates that there was some type of contact 258 00:12:22,608 --> 00:12:24,809 between the Phoenicians and the Shoshone. 259 00:12:24,811 --> 00:12:27,946 Now that doesn't mean that it does, but it could. 260 00:12:27,948 --> 00:12:29,480 How would they have gotten here? 261 00:12:29,482 --> 00:12:32,150 Well, if they sail across the Atlantic Ocean, 262 00:12:32,152 --> 00:12:35,419 they could come into the Gulf, sail up the Mississippi, 263 00:12:35,421 --> 00:12:37,755 then they could have taken either the Arkansas River, 264 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:39,957 or the Platte River with a portage 265 00:12:39,959 --> 00:12:41,893 not too far to the east here, 266 00:12:41,895 --> 00:12:44,095 and it would put you right into this area. 267 00:12:44,097 --> 00:12:46,297 How old do you think these petroglyphs are? 268 00:12:46,299 --> 00:12:48,566 This type of rock art was probably made 269 00:12:48,568 --> 00:12:52,636 within the last 2,000 years, maybe a little bit older, 270 00:12:52,638 --> 00:12:54,505 maybe 3,000 years from now. 271 00:12:54,507 --> 00:12:55,573 2 to 3,000. 272 00:12:55,575 --> 00:12:56,908 That's an educated guess. 273 00:12:56,910 --> 00:12:58,309 Well, I like those numbers. 274 00:12:58,311 --> 00:12:59,644 I like those numbers a lot, 275 00:12:59,646 --> 00:13:02,246 because if we are gonna make the argument 276 00:13:02,248 --> 00:13:05,049 that the Phoenicians could possibly be connected here, 277 00:13:05,051 --> 00:13:07,385 you got to go back at least 2,000 years 278 00:13:07,387 --> 00:13:10,588 and 2 to 3,000 years would be right in the wheelhouse 279 00:13:10,590 --> 00:13:12,524 that actually does make sense. 280 00:13:12,526 --> 00:13:16,528 Doesn't prove it, but I really like those numbers. 281 00:13:16,530 --> 00:13:17,862 WOLTER: The idea that the Phoenicians 282 00:13:17,864 --> 00:13:21,866 exchanged myths with the Shoshone is fascinating. 283 00:13:21,868 --> 00:13:24,202 If it's true, it would go a long way 284 00:13:24,204 --> 00:13:27,204 towards supporting the idea that Lorene Bolen 285 00:13:27,206 --> 00:13:30,275 found a genuine Phoenician good luck charm. 286 00:13:30,277 --> 00:13:32,277 Before I can buy into that theory, 287 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:35,947 I need to figure out if the Phoenicians were even capable 288 00:13:35,949 --> 00:13:38,483 of sailing to America in the first place. 289 00:13:38,485 --> 00:13:44,288 ♪♪ 290 00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:50,094 ♪♪ 291 00:13:50,096 --> 00:13:52,429 I need to see a Phoenician boat, 292 00:13:52,431 --> 00:13:55,099 and there's only one good seaworthy example 293 00:13:55,101 --> 00:13:57,101 in the entire world. 294 00:13:57,103 --> 00:14:03,508 ♪♪ 295 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:09,914 ♪♪ 296 00:14:09,916 --> 00:14:14,319 -Philip? -Hi, welcome to Phoenicia. 297 00:14:14,321 --> 00:14:16,987 Well, thank you. Wow so this is it, huh? 298 00:14:16,989 --> 00:14:20,658 This is it. 299 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:22,393 Well, this is pretty impressive. 300 00:14:22,395 --> 00:14:24,862 Tell me a little big about this ship. It's really cool. 301 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:26,531 Well, she's a great ship. 302 00:14:26,533 --> 00:14:29,333 Phoenicia has the only Phoenician sailing ship 303 00:14:29,335 --> 00:14:33,137 in existence as a working ship, a proper seagoing ship, 304 00:14:33,139 --> 00:14:35,473 and it was built as near as possible 305 00:14:35,475 --> 00:14:39,143 as an exact replica as one could possibly have. 306 00:14:39,145 --> 00:14:40,745 WOLTER: What are some of the features here 307 00:14:40,747 --> 00:14:44,415 that are unique to the Phoenician ship builders? 308 00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:48,886 The Phoenicians created the first rigid hulled boats. 309 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:50,087 Up until that point, 310 00:14:50,089 --> 00:14:53,290 the ships had literally been sewn together. 311 00:14:53,292 --> 00:14:56,027 So this stiff design was to 312 00:14:56,029 --> 00:14:58,429 withstand the large waves on the oceans, right? 313 00:14:58,431 --> 00:14:59,630 That's it. 314 00:14:59,632 --> 00:15:01,766 That's what enabled the Phoenicians to trade 315 00:15:01,768 --> 00:15:04,235 more successfully than anyone else. 316 00:15:04,237 --> 00:15:06,370 WOLTER: Wherever they went, the Phoenicians 317 00:15:06,372 --> 00:15:07,972 brought the Phoenician alphabet, 318 00:15:07,974 --> 00:15:10,241 and their most famous trade item, 319 00:15:10,243 --> 00:15:14,178 a dye known as Tyrian purple, named after Tyre, 320 00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:16,981 one of their four Mediterranean kingdoms. 321 00:15:16,983 --> 00:15:19,717 More valuable than gold, it started the tradition 322 00:15:19,719 --> 00:15:22,053 of royals wearing purple robes 323 00:15:22,055 --> 00:15:25,256 and earned the Phoenicians the name the "Purple People." 324 00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:28,192 ♪♪ 325 00:15:28,194 --> 00:15:30,861 Look at the craftsmanship. It's all handwork, right? 326 00:15:30,863 --> 00:15:32,263 Yeah, all done by hand. 327 00:15:32,265 --> 00:15:33,731 What's really impressive 328 00:15:33,733 --> 00:15:38,036 are these little dowel marks there that you can see. 329 00:15:38,038 --> 00:15:39,270 -Oh, right here? -Yep. 330 00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:41,539 The Romans called it the Phoenician joint, 331 00:15:41,541 --> 00:15:43,207 and I've got a little model of it here. 332 00:15:43,209 --> 00:15:45,943 So here are the two planks. 333 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:48,746 This is the peg, and these are the dowels 334 00:15:48,748 --> 00:15:50,949 that are locking it in place. 335 00:15:50,951 --> 00:15:53,751 So it's a really rigid construction. 336 00:15:53,753 --> 00:15:56,420 Watertight joint right here, right? 337 00:15:56,422 --> 00:15:58,489 And then not only that, 338 00:15:58,491 --> 00:16:00,891 but the Phoenicians did one better. 339 00:16:00,893 --> 00:16:05,229 They were the first to use iron nails in the construction. 340 00:16:05,231 --> 00:16:08,232 So this was what helped make the Phoenician ships 341 00:16:08,234 --> 00:16:13,171 undoubtedly the strongest ships ever produced at that time. 342 00:16:13,173 --> 00:16:16,573 The way it's built, I mean this thing looks like a tank, 343 00:16:16,575 --> 00:16:20,378 which brings me to a question I want to ask you back up top. 344 00:16:20,380 --> 00:16:21,712 Sure. 345 00:16:21,714 --> 00:16:27,718 ♪♪ 346 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,190 So, one sail and one mast. 347 00:16:32,192 --> 00:16:34,725 I'm a little skeptical that a ship 348 00:16:34,727 --> 00:16:37,929 could navigate the open oceans with one sail. 349 00:16:37,931 --> 00:16:44,135 Certainly one sail makes sailing a real challenge. 350 00:16:44,137 --> 00:16:45,536 However, the Phoenicians were clever people. 351 00:16:45,538 --> 00:16:48,873 They knew which way the winds and currents were flowing. 352 00:16:48,875 --> 00:16:50,340 The open ocean would have presented 353 00:16:50,342 --> 00:16:52,477 no fears for the Phoenicians. 354 00:16:52,479 --> 00:16:54,812 WOLTER: There's good reason to believe the Phoenicians 355 00:16:54,814 --> 00:16:57,081 circumnavigated Africa. 356 00:16:57,083 --> 00:16:59,884 They made a statement that, as they sailed, 357 00:16:59,886 --> 00:17:03,153 they had the sun on their right to northward of them. 358 00:17:03,155 --> 00:17:04,956 That's only possible if they rounded 359 00:17:04,958 --> 00:17:07,625 the Cape of Good Hope while heading west, 360 00:17:07,627 --> 00:17:10,228 which no one had ever done before. 361 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:15,099 Then in 1990, in Senegal, the most western point in Africa, 362 00:17:15,101 --> 00:17:18,703 French anthropologists studied 14 unfamiliar letters 363 00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:21,639 found on cattle brands and determined the closest match 364 00:17:21,641 --> 00:17:25,109 was Phoenician, not Greek, Latin, 365 00:17:25,111 --> 00:17:29,046 Chinese, or any African language, but Phoenician. 366 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:32,382 WOLTER: How far have you taken this out on the open ocean? 367 00:17:32,384 --> 00:17:34,518 We've been around some of the toughest points, 368 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,787 like going around the Cape of Good Hope. 369 00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:40,525 But in the Atlantic, you know, we got pushed right out, 370 00:17:40,527 --> 00:17:42,460 and at one point we were just 371 00:17:42,462 --> 00:17:44,796 700 miles from the Florida coast. 372 00:17:44,798 --> 00:17:47,265 So we spent 80-odd days in the Atlantic. 373 00:17:47,267 --> 00:17:50,067 Okay, if you got within 700 miles of Florida, 374 00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:53,537 how many days if you wanted to go to Florida would it take? 375 00:17:53,539 --> 00:17:55,072 It would have taken probably 376 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:58,942 another 10 or 12 days to get to America from there. 377 00:17:58,944 --> 00:18:00,611 Well Philip, I'm very impressed, 378 00:18:00,613 --> 00:18:02,880 and you've pretty much answered all my questions, 379 00:18:02,882 --> 00:18:04,816 but let me ask you point blank. 380 00:18:04,818 --> 00:18:08,285 Do you think the Phoenicians made it to North America? 381 00:18:08,287 --> 00:18:12,390 ♪♪ 382 00:18:19,031 --> 00:18:24,368 ♪♪ 383 00:18:24,370 --> 00:18:29,840 ♪♪ 384 00:18:29,842 --> 00:18:31,375 WOLTER: Let me ask you point blank. 385 00:18:31,377 --> 00:18:36,113 Do you think the Phoenicians made it to North America? 386 00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:38,716 Yeah, I believe that they did make it there. 387 00:18:38,718 --> 00:18:40,718 They had the ability, they had the means, 388 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,255 and undoubtedly, they had the ships that could have done it. 389 00:18:44,257 --> 00:18:47,325 What we need to find is the proof. 390 00:18:47,327 --> 00:18:49,260 I have a hunch the key to this mystery 391 00:18:49,262 --> 00:18:51,261 lies in what the Phoenicians 392 00:18:51,263 --> 00:18:53,263 brought back from their voyages. 393 00:18:53,265 --> 00:18:54,532 The ships that Herodotus 394 00:18:54,534 --> 00:18:57,068 talks about circumnavigating Africa, 395 00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:58,468 they would have been trading vessels. 396 00:18:58,470 --> 00:19:00,738 Right. So they were carrying big loads. 397 00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:03,474 Copper is one thing that I think about. 398 00:19:03,476 --> 00:19:05,810 They were certainly huge metal traders, 399 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:07,878 and the Middle East was always short of metal. 400 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,214 WOLTER: Historians struggle to explain 401 00:19:10,216 --> 00:19:14,352 where all the copper used in Europe's Bronze Age came from. 402 00:19:14,354 --> 00:19:16,554 It's got me wondering, "Could the Phoenicians 403 00:19:16,556 --> 00:19:18,756 have brought it back with them from Wyoming, 404 00:19:18,758 --> 00:19:21,492 where copper mining was once big business?" 405 00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:22,693 WOLTER: Basically, you're telling me 406 00:19:22,695 --> 00:19:23,961 they could have made it to the Gulf. 407 00:19:23,963 --> 00:19:25,896 The question I want to know is could your ship 408 00:19:25,898 --> 00:19:28,098 go up a river, and if so how far? 409 00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:30,234 A ship like this could certainly 410 00:19:30,236 --> 00:19:33,237 navigate up a river quite a long way. 411 00:19:33,239 --> 00:19:35,239 I've always believed that science one day 412 00:19:35,241 --> 00:19:37,841 will prove that the Phoenicians got to America. 413 00:19:37,843 --> 00:19:40,110 Well, you and I are on the same page there. 414 00:19:40,112 --> 00:19:47,918 ♪♪ 415 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:55,593 ♪♪ 416 00:19:55,595 --> 00:19:58,262 WOLTER: Now that I have no doubt the Phoenicians 417 00:19:58,264 --> 00:20:00,331 could have sailed to North America 418 00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:02,532 and through rivers in its interior, 419 00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:06,470 I need to take this investigation to the next level. 420 00:20:06,472 --> 00:20:08,339 I'm back in Wyoming to check out 421 00:20:08,341 --> 00:20:11,542 an old copper mine with a local historian. 422 00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:12,743 My goal? 423 00:20:12,745 --> 00:20:15,546 To find a representative sample of native copper 424 00:20:15,548 --> 00:20:18,816 so I can compare it to the copper the Phoenicians used. 425 00:20:18,818 --> 00:20:20,351 You really think that the Phoenicians 426 00:20:20,353 --> 00:20:22,819 came all the way out here to Wyoming? 427 00:20:22,821 --> 00:20:24,821 Well, I'm not saying that they did come. 428 00:20:24,823 --> 00:20:26,556 I'm saying that they could've come. 429 00:20:26,558 --> 00:20:30,628 If they did come, they had to have had strong motivation, 430 00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:32,696 and in my mind the strong motivation 431 00:20:32,698 --> 00:20:34,432 would have been copper, 432 00:20:34,434 --> 00:20:36,100 but I want to investigate it, 433 00:20:36,102 --> 00:20:39,303 and I think I have way we might be able to test it 434 00:20:39,305 --> 00:20:42,974 to really bring some strong evidence, if it works out. 435 00:20:42,976 --> 00:20:45,509 WOLTER: If I can find some copper from the area, 436 00:20:45,511 --> 00:20:48,112 I can compare it to copper the Phoenicians used 437 00:20:48,114 --> 00:20:52,249 to create bronze to see if it's of the same purity. 438 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:54,585 But first, I have to get to the mine, 439 00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:56,988 and that's not gonna be a walk in the park. 440 00:20:56,990 --> 00:21:06,463 ♪♪ 441 00:21:06,465 --> 00:21:10,200 Because of the mining industry, both past and present, 442 00:21:10,202 --> 00:21:13,070 Wyoming is crisscrossed with rugged roads 443 00:21:13,072 --> 00:21:17,274 used to haul everything from coal to gems and metals 444 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:19,477 like the copper I'm going to find. 445 00:21:19,479 --> 00:21:27,818 ♪♪ 446 00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:36,160 ♪♪ 447 00:21:36,162 --> 00:21:37,561 And look at these ruins here. 448 00:21:37,563 --> 00:21:39,162 This is the Ferris-Haggarty Mine. 449 00:21:39,164 --> 00:21:42,166 They discovered copper here in 1897. 450 00:21:42,168 --> 00:21:45,636 It caused this entire area to absolutely boom. 451 00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:48,572 Over 5,000 people migrated to this area 452 00:21:48,574 --> 00:21:50,040 for the copper mining boom. 453 00:21:50,042 --> 00:21:53,778 If this was such a booming heyday at one time, 454 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:55,980 copper everywhere, what happened? 455 00:21:55,982 --> 00:21:59,716 Around 1908, copper prices plunged. 456 00:21:59,718 --> 00:22:01,184 They absolutely plunged. 457 00:22:01,186 --> 00:22:05,790 On top of that, there were a series of fires at the smelter, 458 00:22:05,792 --> 00:22:09,727 and so it becomes very difficult to keep the profits going. 459 00:22:09,729 --> 00:22:11,595 Well, actually, that makes a lot of sense, you know. 460 00:22:11,597 --> 00:22:14,832 It was like a perfect storm of bad luck. 461 00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:16,867 What I'd like to do is see if we can find 462 00:22:16,869 --> 00:22:19,670 a good piece of native copper 463 00:22:19,672 --> 00:22:21,805 or a rock that has native copper in it, 464 00:22:21,807 --> 00:22:24,007 and I'd like to test it with some copper 465 00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:25,676 that we know came from Europe 466 00:22:25,678 --> 00:22:27,945 that's associated with the Phoenicians 467 00:22:27,947 --> 00:22:31,415 because we can look for trace elements in both pieces. 468 00:22:31,417 --> 00:22:34,084 These trace elements are like a DNA fingerprint, 469 00:22:34,086 --> 00:22:37,088 and the copper here is gonna have its own DNA fingerprint. 470 00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:41,092 If we can get a match, well, now we're cooking with gas. 471 00:22:41,094 --> 00:22:44,428 The guy who finds the best piece buys the beer. 472 00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:45,963 -Deal. -All right, man. 473 00:22:45,965 --> 00:22:47,331 Let's go! 474 00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:52,569 WOLTER: To find copper, I'm looking for green. 475 00:22:52,571 --> 00:22:55,573 There's a fancy name for it -- verdigris. 476 00:22:55,575 --> 00:22:57,641 That's the color you get when copper's weathered 477 00:22:57,643 --> 00:23:01,845 and exposed to air or sea water over time. 478 00:23:01,847 --> 00:23:05,049 All the copper in this mine will have the same purity, 479 00:23:05,051 --> 00:23:07,852 but I'm looking for a piece with a solid copper vein 480 00:23:07,854 --> 00:23:11,989 running through it that's big enough to test. 481 00:23:11,991 --> 00:23:13,991 -See all this stuff? -Yep. 482 00:23:13,993 --> 00:23:15,726 This is the stuff I wanted to see. 483 00:23:15,728 --> 00:23:18,195 What it tells you is there's definitely copper here, 484 00:23:18,197 --> 00:23:20,864 so it's obviously it's coming out of the water. 485 00:23:20,866 --> 00:23:22,666 WOLTER: My goal is to connect the dots 486 00:23:22,668 --> 00:23:25,068 from Lorene Bolen's good luck charm 487 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:27,338 to the Phoenicians who may have carved it 488 00:23:27,340 --> 00:23:30,808 to the copper they may have come to Wyoming to mine. 489 00:23:30,810 --> 00:23:34,011 Once I find a good-sized sample of Wyoming copper, 490 00:23:34,013 --> 00:23:37,614 I'll test it to see if it has the same elemental fingerprint 491 00:23:37,616 --> 00:23:40,750 as copper used in Phoenician artifacts. 492 00:23:40,752 --> 00:23:43,019 If it does, it might be strong evidence 493 00:23:43,021 --> 00:23:44,754 that the Phoenicians came here, 494 00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:47,691 and brought this copper back home. 495 00:23:47,693 --> 00:23:50,027 WOLTER: So, this is one of the main shafts, I assume. 496 00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:51,028 Yes, it is. 497 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:52,696 Okay. 498 00:23:52,698 --> 00:23:54,031 "Bad air." -Yep. 499 00:23:54,033 --> 00:23:55,366 -"Keep out." -Yep. 500 00:23:55,368 --> 00:23:57,634 -Skull and crossbones? -I'm not going near there. 501 00:23:57,636 --> 00:23:59,770 I'm not going in there either. 502 00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:01,305 Clearly the water's flowing out 503 00:24:01,307 --> 00:24:02,639 and it's coloring the rocks. 504 00:24:02,641 --> 00:24:05,709 There's got to be some copper specimens here. 505 00:24:05,711 --> 00:24:08,912 ♪♪ 506 00:24:08,914 --> 00:24:11,982 There's some. 507 00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:14,985 Most copper is not gonna be visible, right? 508 00:24:14,987 --> 00:24:17,021 But I bet you there's some in here. 509 00:24:19,324 --> 00:24:20,791 Oh, yeah, I can see it. 510 00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:22,993 If you look close, you can see it with the naked eye, 511 00:24:22,995 --> 00:24:25,196 but yeah, it's peppered all through there. 512 00:24:25,198 --> 00:24:27,397 -Can I see? -Yeah, absolutely. 513 00:24:27,399 --> 00:24:29,967 Can I take that one? -Absolutely, it's yours. 514 00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:32,669 So, remember what I said 515 00:24:32,671 --> 00:24:34,338 about the guy who finds the copper? 516 00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:36,406 Yeah, that he's the one who buys the beers. 517 00:24:36,408 --> 00:24:37,607 That's not what I remember. 518 00:24:37,609 --> 00:24:38,942 -No? -But I tell you what. 519 00:24:38,944 --> 00:24:40,544 Either way, we both win. 520 00:24:40,546 --> 00:24:41,812 Okay, sounds good. 521 00:24:41,814 --> 00:24:48,552 ♪♪ 522 00:24:48,554 --> 00:24:55,358 ♪♪ 523 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:57,561 WOLTER: What I need to do next is figure out 524 00:24:57,563 --> 00:25:00,364 if the copper in this sample from Wyoming 525 00:25:00,366 --> 00:25:04,168 matches the purity of the copper found in Phoenician artifacts. 526 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:07,438 And I'm back in Minnesota to do just that. 527 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,174 If it has the same elemental fingerprint, 528 00:25:10,176 --> 00:25:12,309 then I'll have even more reason to believe 529 00:25:12,311 --> 00:25:14,244 the Phoenicians made it to America, 530 00:25:14,246 --> 00:25:17,581 took the copper back home, and possibly left behind 531 00:25:17,583 --> 00:25:22,853 the inscription Lorene Bolen found when she was a kid. 532 00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,989 Lori, the reason I'm here is 533 00:25:24,991 --> 00:25:27,658 I was recently at a copper mine in Wyoming, 534 00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:29,192 and I collected a sample, 535 00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,195 and what I'd like you to help me with 536 00:25:31,197 --> 00:25:34,531 is to test it for its trace element content. 537 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:36,200 Definitely, we're gonna be able to image it 538 00:25:36,202 --> 00:25:38,268 and get elemental information. 539 00:25:38,270 --> 00:25:40,604 I'm investigating the possibility that Phoenicians 540 00:25:40,606 --> 00:25:44,208 came to North America over 2,000 years ago. 541 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:48,278 If its trace element profile will match known samples 542 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,946 that have already been tested, 543 00:25:49,948 --> 00:25:52,216 that will go a long way to proving that the Phoenicians 544 00:25:52,218 --> 00:25:55,485 came to North America, collected copper, 545 00:25:55,487 --> 00:25:57,287 and then brought it back. 546 00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:58,288 Sound like something we can do? 547 00:25:58,290 --> 00:25:59,356 Yeah, absolutely. 548 00:25:59,358 --> 00:26:00,890 I've got the sample right here. 549 00:26:00,892 --> 00:26:04,428 One concern that I've got, between extracting this 550 00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:06,563 and everybody looking at it, handling it, 551 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:09,366 that the surface could be contaminated. 552 00:26:09,368 --> 00:26:12,036 So it might be better if we can get a fresh cleave 553 00:26:12,038 --> 00:26:15,238 off of this to have a pristine surface to analyze. 554 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,840 Well, it's certainly been handled, 555 00:26:16,842 --> 00:26:20,711 so I understand the contamination possibility. 556 00:26:20,713 --> 00:26:23,179 Let's take a look. 557 00:26:23,181 --> 00:26:25,783 You know what, we have a fracture right here. 558 00:26:25,785 --> 00:26:27,117 Oh, perfect. 559 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,854 Actually, we have a crack that goes all the way around. 560 00:26:30,856 --> 00:26:34,391 If we pop this thing with your chisel and hammer, 561 00:26:34,393 --> 00:26:37,794 I bet we'll probably be able to get two pieces. 562 00:26:37,796 --> 00:26:38,862 Okay. 563 00:26:38,864 --> 00:26:43,667 ♪♪ 564 00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:46,603 I'm gonna hit it right along there. 565 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:48,639 Let's see how it goes, ready? 566 00:26:50,542 --> 00:26:52,075 Perfect. 567 00:26:52,077 --> 00:26:55,879 WOLTER: Now we have two uncontaminated surfaces to examine, 568 00:26:55,881 --> 00:26:58,749 so we fire up the scanning electron microscope 569 00:26:58,751 --> 00:27:00,283 to take a close look. 570 00:27:00,285 --> 00:27:03,954 It magnifies what we're seeing 10,000 times. 571 00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:06,623 -So we've got the sample here. -Okay. 572 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,292 Then we'll get this in the instrument. 573 00:27:08,294 --> 00:27:13,830 ♪♪ 574 00:27:13,832 --> 00:27:15,366 LAVANIER: There's an electron beam 575 00:27:15,368 --> 00:27:18,835 that's going to be striking the surface of the sample, 576 00:27:18,837 --> 00:27:20,370 and that's what we're actually using 577 00:27:20,372 --> 00:27:23,040 to detect the elemental composition of the sample. 578 00:27:23,042 --> 00:27:25,842 Okay, so you're gonna be hitting it with electrons, 579 00:27:25,844 --> 00:27:28,779 and it will record those and give us the quantity, right? 580 00:27:28,781 --> 00:27:30,447 -Yes. -Perfect. 581 00:27:30,449 --> 00:27:33,516 -Well, let's turn the beam on. -All right. 582 00:27:33,518 --> 00:27:36,920 WOLTER: We're going to zap our copper sample with an electron beam. 583 00:27:36,922 --> 00:27:40,390 When that happens, elements will fly off our rock. 584 00:27:40,392 --> 00:27:41,925 The scanning electron microscope 585 00:27:41,927 --> 00:27:44,795 will catch those pieces and analyze them. 586 00:27:44,797 --> 00:27:48,465 That's how we figure out exactly what this rock is made of. 587 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:51,334 We're looking for a fleck of copper to zoom in on. 588 00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:52,869 That's a nice shot. 589 00:27:52,871 --> 00:27:53,870 Can we grab that photo? 590 00:27:53,872 --> 00:27:55,339 -Yep. -That's beautiful... 591 00:27:55,341 --> 00:27:56,339 ...as rocks go. 592 00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:58,475 [ Both laugh ] 593 00:27:58,477 --> 00:28:01,145 WOLTER: Now that we're zeroed in, we can see 594 00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:03,347 what this rock is made of. 595 00:28:03,349 --> 00:28:06,283 You can see things are moving and glowing a little bit. 596 00:28:06,285 --> 00:28:08,418 So the heavier the element, the brighter it'll appear 597 00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:09,953 on the screen. 598 00:28:09,955 --> 00:28:13,556 So copper on this should appear somewhat brighter. 599 00:28:13,558 --> 00:28:15,959 This brightest region here might be the area of interest 600 00:28:15,961 --> 00:28:17,961 so let's take a scan in here. -Yeah, let's zoom 601 00:28:17,963 --> 00:28:19,396 in there and see what we get. 602 00:28:21,567 --> 00:28:23,434 Ah, very interesting. 603 00:28:23,436 --> 00:28:26,437 ♪♪ 604 00:28:33,112 --> 00:28:42,519 ♪♪ 605 00:28:42,521 --> 00:28:44,922 WOLTER: As Lori zooms in on the copper sample, 606 00:28:44,924 --> 00:28:48,725 I can tell she sees something important. 607 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:50,460 Ah, very interesting. 608 00:28:50,462 --> 00:28:52,262 Are you getting a pretty strong peak for copper. 609 00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:56,733 It's fairly strong, but equally as strong with iron. 610 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:59,269 Okay, so those are in there together? 611 00:28:59,271 --> 00:29:01,004 Yes. 612 00:29:01,006 --> 00:29:05,408 Copper, iron, sulfur, silicon, aluminum, magnesium. 613 00:29:05,410 --> 00:29:07,010 Okay. 614 00:29:07,012 --> 00:29:09,947 WOLTER: My sample isn't pure copper, and neither is the rest 615 00:29:09,949 --> 00:29:12,349 of the copper at the Ferris-Haggarty Mine. 616 00:29:12,351 --> 00:29:14,952 It doesn't even come close. 617 00:29:14,954 --> 00:29:19,156 So we're talking 41, almost 42% copper. 618 00:29:19,158 --> 00:29:22,693 It has lots a copper in it, but it has lots of other stuff. 619 00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:25,128 Unfortunately Lori, that's just not gonna do it. 620 00:29:25,130 --> 00:29:27,164 That is not a high enough concentration 621 00:29:27,166 --> 00:29:28,765 because the samples that I wanted 622 00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:33,170 to compare it with were 98% and 99% pure copper. 623 00:29:33,172 --> 00:29:34,437 We're a long way from that. 624 00:29:34,439 --> 00:29:36,773 WOLTER: I did a little more digging and found out 625 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:39,843 there aren't any ultra-pure copper deposits 626 00:29:39,845 --> 00:29:42,646 in Wyoming or anywhere else in the U.S., 627 00:29:42,648 --> 00:29:45,448 except for Michigan's upper peninsula. 628 00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:49,186 A few years back, I investigated the perplexing mine pits 629 00:29:49,188 --> 00:29:50,988 in the Great Lakes region. 630 00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:53,190 Someone pulled copper out of there, 631 00:29:53,192 --> 00:29:56,660 and the big mystery has always been, "Who did it?" 632 00:29:56,662 --> 00:29:59,929 I gave credit to the Minoans, an earlier sailing culture 633 00:29:59,931 --> 00:30:03,399 who disappeared mysteriously from the island of Crete 634 00:30:03,401 --> 00:30:05,736 in 1200 B.C. 635 00:30:05,738 --> 00:30:08,338 Now, I feel strongly that Phoenicians went 636 00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:09,673 to the Great Lakes, too. 637 00:30:09,675 --> 00:30:12,342 The copper in Wyoming wouldn't have satisfied them. 638 00:30:12,344 --> 00:30:15,345 That's not anywhere near what I think 639 00:30:15,347 --> 00:30:17,214 the Phoenicians would be looking for. 640 00:30:17,216 --> 00:30:20,751 Back then, if they came up to this part of the country, 641 00:30:20,753 --> 00:30:24,821 in the Saint Lawrence River to the Great Lakes area, 642 00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:26,456 you're gonna find copper that, 643 00:30:26,458 --> 00:30:28,625 after the glaciers had melted away, 644 00:30:28,627 --> 00:30:30,660 was just laying on the ground. 645 00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:33,563 99% plus pure copper. 646 00:30:33,565 --> 00:30:36,366 And to me, that would make a heck of a lot more sense 647 00:30:36,368 --> 00:30:39,502 than trying to mine this material that you would have 648 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,771 to smelt to concentrate the copper. 649 00:30:41,773 --> 00:30:44,908 And that's expensive, time consuming. 650 00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:46,776 They wouldn't have done that over here. 651 00:30:46,778 --> 00:30:49,112 They would go for the easy pickings. 652 00:30:49,114 --> 00:30:51,582 WOLTER: Bottom line, this copper isn't 653 00:30:51,584 --> 00:30:54,051 what the Phoenicians were using in Europe. 654 00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:56,720 This doesn't prove that the Phoenicians didn't come 655 00:30:56,722 --> 00:30:59,656 to Wyoming, it just doesn't help our case. 656 00:30:59,658 --> 00:31:07,064 ♪♪ 657 00:31:07,066 --> 00:31:14,471 ♪♪ 658 00:31:14,473 --> 00:31:16,406 WOLTER: I'll admit it, I'm disappointed the copper 659 00:31:16,408 --> 00:31:19,142 in Wyoming isn't pure enough for the Phoenicians 660 00:31:19,144 --> 00:31:20,610 to bother with. 661 00:31:20,612 --> 00:31:23,212 That doesn't mean that they didn't come to Wyoming, 662 00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:24,948 or that Lorene Bolen didn't find 663 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:27,284 an authentic Phoenician artifact. 664 00:31:27,286 --> 00:31:28,885 My new theory? 665 00:31:28,887 --> 00:31:31,421 That Minoans handed copper and their knowledge 666 00:31:31,423 --> 00:31:35,292 of the New World to their neighbors, the Phoenicians. 667 00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:37,027 It's a pretty narrow window. 668 00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:39,830 The Minoans vanish around 1200 B.C., 669 00:31:39,832 --> 00:31:43,233 and that's when Phoenician script first appears. 670 00:31:43,235 --> 00:31:45,969 Still, the ancients knew a lot, 671 00:31:45,971 --> 00:31:47,770 more than we give them credit for. 672 00:31:47,772 --> 00:31:51,041 Sometimes knowledge gets lost over time. 673 00:31:51,043 --> 00:31:53,176 That's why I'm going to check out the map collection 674 00:31:53,178 --> 00:31:57,447 at the world-class library here in Minneapolis. 675 00:31:57,449 --> 00:32:00,917 They have an ancient map that I think has a hidden detail 676 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:03,519 to help prove the Phoenicians came here 677 00:32:03,521 --> 00:32:05,788 long before Columbus. 678 00:32:05,790 --> 00:32:07,190 -Hello, Marguerite. -Hi, Scott. 679 00:32:07,192 --> 00:32:08,525 Nice to meet you. 680 00:32:08,527 --> 00:32:09,860 Welcome the James Ford Bell Library. 681 00:32:09,862 --> 00:32:11,328 Well, thank you. 682 00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:14,064 I understand that you have some of the oldest surviving maps 683 00:32:14,066 --> 00:32:15,332 in the world, is that true? 684 00:32:15,334 --> 00:32:16,800 That's true. 685 00:32:16,802 --> 00:32:19,602 The Bell Library has more than 40,000 items dating back 686 00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:22,005 to the year 400. -Amazing. 687 00:32:22,007 --> 00:32:24,474 What I'm specifically looking for is a copy 688 00:32:24,476 --> 00:32:28,011 of Claudius Ptolemy's "Geographia." 689 00:32:28,013 --> 00:32:29,746 I pulled two from the late 15th century 690 00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:31,581 for you, so let's go take a look. 691 00:32:33,652 --> 00:32:35,485 WOLTER: Claudius Ptolemy was a 2nd century 692 00:32:35,487 --> 00:32:38,488 Greco-Roman geographer famous for creating 693 00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:42,292 an atlas called "Geographia." 694 00:32:42,294 --> 00:32:48,165 This is a Ptolemy Atlas printed in 1490. 695 00:32:48,167 --> 00:32:51,901 If this is late-15th century, Ptolemy lived back 696 00:32:51,903 --> 00:32:54,171 in the 2nd century, right? -That's correct. 697 00:32:54,173 --> 00:32:56,239 Wow! Look at that. 698 00:32:56,241 --> 00:32:58,775 So this is over 500 years old. -It is! 699 00:32:58,777 --> 00:33:00,443 It's amazing! 700 00:33:00,445 --> 00:33:04,114 WOLTER: It's amazing, but I have to admit, it barely resembles 701 00:33:04,116 --> 00:33:08,051 a world map of today, and I can't tell what I'm looking at. 702 00:33:08,053 --> 00:33:09,919 This one is only a few years later. 703 00:33:09,921 --> 00:33:11,921 It's in color, so it's a little bit easier to see. 704 00:33:11,923 --> 00:33:14,257 Help me understand what's going on here. 705 00:33:14,259 --> 00:33:17,060 What am I looking at? -This is the known world. 706 00:33:17,062 --> 00:33:20,463 The world of Ptolemy didn't really understand 707 00:33:20,465 --> 00:33:23,333 that the ocean goes any further. 708 00:33:23,335 --> 00:33:25,869 So that's the extent of the known world 709 00:33:25,871 --> 00:33:28,004 as far as he was concerned. 710 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:30,774 WOLTER: There are only three continents on Ptolemy's map -- 711 00:33:30,776 --> 00:33:31,875 Europe, 712 00:33:31,877 --> 00:33:34,077 Africa, 713 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:35,479 and Asia. 714 00:33:35,481 --> 00:33:38,214 And they are a total different shape than you'd expect. 715 00:33:38,216 --> 00:33:40,484 Compared to a modern-day map, 716 00:33:40,486 --> 00:33:43,886 countries like Italy look horizontal. 717 00:33:43,888 --> 00:33:45,422 But why? 718 00:33:45,424 --> 00:33:47,958 RAGNOW: He actually calculated the circumference 719 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,159 of the Earth too small. 720 00:33:50,161 --> 00:33:53,163 And then, to make his theory work, Ptolemy sort of fudged 721 00:33:53,165 --> 00:33:57,100 the way he fit things in so that he can get everything 722 00:33:57,102 --> 00:34:01,772 to work within the two points that he says are 723 00:34:01,774 --> 00:34:03,974 the limits of the known world. 724 00:34:03,976 --> 00:34:06,243 WOLTER: Not long ago, an Italian researcher 725 00:34:06,245 --> 00:34:08,378 named Lucio Russo made 726 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:11,782 a startling claim that this map actually does show more 727 00:34:11,784 --> 00:34:14,851 of the world than anyone ever considered. 728 00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:17,120 And that's what I came here to see. 729 00:34:17,122 --> 00:34:20,057 What I'm interested in now is looking here 730 00:34:20,059 --> 00:34:22,125 at these islands right here. 731 00:34:22,127 --> 00:34:24,027 So those are labeled the Fortunate Islands, 732 00:34:24,029 --> 00:34:27,464 which we believe Ptolemy meant the Canary Islands. 733 00:34:27,466 --> 00:34:28,732 But we don't know that for sure, right? 734 00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:29,999 We don't. 735 00:34:30,001 --> 00:34:32,068 WOLTER: Taking into account Ptolemy's mistake 736 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:35,272 in his latitude calculation, Lucio Russo deduced 737 00:34:35,274 --> 00:34:38,742 that these islands pictured off the coast of Africa are not 738 00:34:38,744 --> 00:34:42,412 the Canary Islands, as historians long believe, 739 00:34:42,414 --> 00:34:44,681 but actually, the Lesser Antilles. 740 00:34:44,683 --> 00:34:48,351 Islands like Dominica, St. Lucia, and Trinidad 741 00:34:48,353 --> 00:34:49,753 in the New World. 742 00:34:49,755 --> 00:34:52,689 WOLTER: Russo says that they are the Antilles. 743 00:34:52,691 --> 00:34:55,825 RAGNOW: He's arguing that these aren't the Canaries 744 00:34:55,827 --> 00:34:58,695 that these are actually the Antilles 745 00:34:58,697 --> 00:35:02,299 that Ptolemy just puts way too close to the continent. 746 00:35:02,301 --> 00:35:04,101 If these are really the Antilles, 747 00:35:04,103 --> 00:35:07,036 than somebody must have discovered them 748 00:35:07,038 --> 00:35:08,304 and communicated that information 749 00:35:08,306 --> 00:35:09,839 back to ancient Greece. 750 00:35:09,841 --> 00:35:11,307 Somebody had to have been there. 751 00:35:11,309 --> 00:35:12,776 Somebody had to have been there. 752 00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:15,178 Somebody knew about the New World, going back 753 00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:16,913 to Ptolemy's time and before... 754 00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:18,181 Probably before. 755 00:35:18,183 --> 00:35:20,116 And really, the only candidate we have, 756 00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:21,451 the most logical candidate, would have 757 00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:22,586 to be the Phoenicians. 758 00:35:22,588 --> 00:35:25,489 ♪♪ 759 00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:34,798 ♪♪ 760 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,800 WOLTER: Is it possible that an ancient Phoenician sailor left 761 00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:40,069 behind an artifact in Wyoming? 762 00:35:40,071 --> 00:35:42,939 If so, they had to get here. 763 00:35:42,941 --> 00:35:46,743 And according to Italian researcher Lucio Russo, 764 00:35:46,745 --> 00:35:49,813 an ancient Greek map by Claudius Ptolemy suggests 765 00:35:49,815 --> 00:35:53,883 they may have done just that more than 2,000 years ago 766 00:35:53,885 --> 00:35:58,755 on a ship like the one Philip Beal recreated. 767 00:35:58,757 --> 00:36:07,697 ♪♪ 768 00:36:07,699 --> 00:36:10,767 I'm on my way to Wyoming to follow up on one last thing 769 00:36:10,769 --> 00:36:14,104 that could tell me whether Lorene Bolen's artifact is 770 00:36:14,106 --> 00:36:17,506 the proof that's long been missing. 771 00:36:17,508 --> 00:36:20,977 Early translations from 1982 suggested it said, 772 00:36:20,979 --> 00:36:22,245 "Keep safe. 773 00:36:22,247 --> 00:36:23,846 Do not break the stone. 774 00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:26,048 Misfortune it turns away. 775 00:36:26,050 --> 00:36:27,984 It protects against evil, 776 00:36:27,986 --> 00:36:30,520 strikes harm and turns it aside." 777 00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:33,723 But I think I need a present-day scholar to weigh in, 778 00:36:33,725 --> 00:36:36,860 someone who has the benefit of more knowledge 779 00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:42,332 that's been collected about the culture and the language. 780 00:36:42,334 --> 00:36:44,534 Well, Brian, help me understand Phoenician script 781 00:36:44,536 --> 00:36:45,802 a little bit. 782 00:36:45,804 --> 00:36:48,070 It's safe to say at a minimum that the Phoenicians had 783 00:36:48,072 --> 00:36:50,473 a very heavy influence on the development 784 00:36:50,475 --> 00:36:52,275 of written language, right? 785 00:36:52,277 --> 00:36:54,544 The alphabet is one of the great cultural achievements 786 00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:56,279 in all of world history, period. 787 00:36:56,281 --> 00:36:57,814 And the Phoenicians played a massive role 788 00:36:57,816 --> 00:36:59,950 in making that work. 789 00:36:59,952 --> 00:37:02,618 WOLTER: Before the Phoenicians, cultures in the Mediterranean 790 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:04,020 were using a lot of different 791 00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:06,155 cuneiform symbols to communicate. 792 00:37:06,157 --> 00:37:09,759 It made it hard to trade goods with other cultures. 793 00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:12,895 The Phoenicians came up with 22 letters based 794 00:37:12,897 --> 00:37:16,900 on Egyptian hieroglyphics in the 12th century B.C., 795 00:37:16,902 --> 00:37:19,102 which they encouraged other cultures to adopt 796 00:37:19,104 --> 00:37:22,305 and which inspired our alphabet today. 797 00:37:22,307 --> 00:37:24,106 They can't be credited with inventing 798 00:37:24,108 --> 00:37:25,975 the alphabet from scratch. 799 00:37:25,977 --> 00:37:28,578 They can be credited with popularizing it. 800 00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:30,580 And the Phoenicians were really the pioneers. 801 00:37:30,582 --> 00:37:31,914 They did a magnificent cultural service 802 00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:33,582 with their alphabet. 803 00:37:33,584 --> 00:37:34,851 We know that that the Phoenicians were, 804 00:37:34,853 --> 00:37:36,386 in a word, amazing. 805 00:37:36,388 --> 00:37:38,521 And we know that the Phoenicians went all 806 00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:39,855 throughout the Mediterranean. 807 00:37:39,857 --> 00:37:41,991 We know that they broke across the top of Africa 808 00:37:41,993 --> 00:37:44,327 and down, maybe circumnavigated Africa, 809 00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:46,395 maybe were the first people from the region 810 00:37:46,397 --> 00:37:48,264 to break out into the Atlantic Ocean. 811 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:49,466 Well, we'll see here. 812 00:37:49,468 --> 00:37:51,000 It's moment of truth. -Yes. 813 00:37:51,002 --> 00:37:54,136 Here is the stone. 814 00:37:54,138 --> 00:37:56,405 Ah, very nice. 815 00:37:56,407 --> 00:37:57,941 Barry Fell was somebody they considered 816 00:37:57,943 --> 00:37:59,075 to be an expert. 817 00:37:59,077 --> 00:38:00,943 He said it was definitely Phoenician. 818 00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:02,612 I'm honored that you asked me to take a look at it. 819 00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:04,347 I love things like this. It's a great little piece. 820 00:38:04,349 --> 00:38:06,283 I mean, when I look at it, clearly 821 00:38:06,285 --> 00:38:08,951 somebody was doing something on this, right. 822 00:38:08,953 --> 00:38:10,152 So you agree it's manmade? 823 00:38:10,154 --> 00:38:12,555 Somebody was inscribing something on this. 824 00:38:12,557 --> 00:38:14,423 I mean, these are very distinctive marks. 825 00:38:14,425 --> 00:38:17,961 I wanted to get an opinion of an expert today. 826 00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:20,964 Somebody who has the benefit of new knowledge. 827 00:38:20,966 --> 00:38:23,166 And so, I ask you, 828 00:38:23,168 --> 00:38:26,435 is this a legitimate Phoenician inscription? 829 00:38:26,437 --> 00:38:31,875 ♪♪ 830 00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:45,388 ♪♪ 831 00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:48,458 WOLTER: I'm speaking to an expert in ancient languages 832 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:51,527 to see if the artifact Lorene Bolen found 833 00:38:51,529 --> 00:38:53,796 in Rock Springs, Wyoming, is the proof 834 00:38:53,798 --> 00:38:56,065 that's long been missing that suggests 835 00:38:56,067 --> 00:39:00,337 Phoenicians made it to America 2,000 years ago. 836 00:39:00,339 --> 00:39:02,872 Is this a legitimate Phoenician inscription? 837 00:39:02,874 --> 00:39:05,809 ♪♪ 838 00:39:05,811 --> 00:39:08,812 I have some bad news. 839 00:39:08,814 --> 00:39:10,146 I would say no. 840 00:39:10,148 --> 00:39:12,548 I would say it's not. 841 00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:14,684 What do you see that tells you 842 00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:17,287 that this is not Phoenician? 843 00:39:17,289 --> 00:39:19,689 The Phoenician script was standardized. 844 00:39:19,691 --> 00:39:21,824 WOLTER: Real Phoenician script, which dates 845 00:39:21,826 --> 00:39:25,428 to the 8th century B.C., has known letters. 846 00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:28,832 And while Lorene Bolen's inscribed rock has a few marks 847 00:39:28,834 --> 00:39:32,902 that could be Phoenician, the rest of it is unrecognizable. 848 00:39:32,904 --> 00:39:36,373 DORK: This triangular shape, a very clear horizontal one, 849 00:39:36,375 --> 00:39:39,442 but a dalet, or a letter D, pretty much like our letter D. 850 00:39:39,444 --> 00:39:41,043 A triangle, this is where we get this from. 851 00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:42,578 I mean, this is clearly something, right? 852 00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:43,780 -Oh, yeah. -This isn't nothing. 853 00:39:43,782 --> 00:39:46,315 Somebody incised these markings in here. 854 00:39:46,317 --> 00:39:48,250 The question is what is it and what were they trying 855 00:39:48,252 --> 00:39:49,519 to do, and at what time period? 856 00:39:49,521 --> 00:39:50,987 There are too many letters, though, 857 00:39:50,989 --> 00:39:53,323 that have no correspondence to any Phoenician character. 858 00:39:53,325 --> 00:39:56,192 Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to deliver 859 00:39:56,194 --> 00:39:58,928 some bad news to Don and Patrice. 860 00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:01,064 But in the end, the data's the data. 861 00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:02,932 The results are the results, and thanks 862 00:40:02,934 --> 00:40:05,535 for helping me get there. -My pleasure, thank you. 863 00:40:05,537 --> 00:40:09,539 ♪♪ 864 00:40:09,541 --> 00:40:11,941 WOLTER: In the case of the Bolen's good luck charm being 865 00:40:11,943 --> 00:40:15,678 an authentic Phoenician artifact, it is bad news. 866 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,148 But in the case of proving how likely it is 867 00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:22,285 Phoenicians made it to America, I think I did get lucky. 868 00:40:22,287 --> 00:40:24,887 I now have more evidence than before suggesting 869 00:40:24,889 --> 00:40:29,492 they could've made it here and back in ancient times. 870 00:40:29,494 --> 00:40:37,567 ♪♪ 871 00:40:37,569 --> 00:40:45,508 ♪♪ 872 00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:51,447 First things first, I told you I'd bring the artifact back. 873 00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:54,184 And there it is. -Thank you. 874 00:40:54,186 --> 00:40:57,453 I just met with a linguist, and his conclusion is 875 00:40:57,455 --> 00:41:01,925 this is not a genuine Phoenician artifact. 876 00:41:01,927 --> 00:41:03,526 [ Chuckles ] 877 00:41:03,528 --> 00:41:06,196 I wish it was real from that time. 878 00:41:06,198 --> 00:41:07,730 Not more than me. 879 00:41:07,732 --> 00:41:11,000 A little disappointed, but we know it's something, 880 00:41:11,002 --> 00:41:13,336 we just don't know what it is yet. 881 00:41:13,338 --> 00:41:14,837 This still begs the question, 882 00:41:14,839 --> 00:41:17,607 "Could the Phoenicians have come to North America," 883 00:41:17,609 --> 00:41:19,942 and specifically, "Could they have come to Wyoming?" 884 00:41:19,944 --> 00:41:21,143 The answer is "Yes." 885 00:41:21,145 --> 00:41:23,880 I still think it's a great story, and I wish 886 00:41:23,882 --> 00:41:26,416 that your mother was here to hear this. 887 00:41:26,418 --> 00:41:28,751 I'd love to meet her and I'd like a little 888 00:41:28,753 --> 00:41:31,020 of that good luck hopefully to rub off on me. 889 00:41:31,022 --> 00:41:34,557 WOLTER: Well, tell you what, I would like to propose a toast 890 00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:38,161 to your mom, Lorene, and continued good luck 891 00:41:38,163 --> 00:41:41,030 to your family going forward. 892 00:41:41,032 --> 00:41:42,197 -Thank you. -Thank you, cheers. 893 00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:43,465 Cheers. 894 00:41:43,467 --> 00:41:48,370 ♪♪ 895 00:41:48,372 --> 00:41:51,708 WOLTER: Like I've always said, "You make your own luck." 896 00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:55,177 It's only when you examine things from all sides 897 00:41:55,179 --> 00:41:57,313 that you find what you're looking for. 898 00:41:57,315 --> 00:42:00,916 In this case, I'm convinced it's entirely possible 899 00:42:00,918 --> 00:42:03,920 the Phoenicians, with their game-changing ability 900 00:42:03,922 --> 00:42:07,189 to sail the open seas, came to the New World millennia 901 00:42:07,191 --> 00:42:09,125 before Christopher Columbus. 902 00:42:09,127 --> 00:42:12,996 And I think proving it is just a matter of time. 903 00:42:12,998 --> 00:42:16,533 ♪♪ 904 00:42:16,535 --> 00:42:19,869 If you have a mysterious artifact or site I need to see, 905 00:42:19,871 --> 00:42:21,404 I wanna know about it. 906 00:42:21,406 --> 00:42:25,208 Go to travelchannel.com/ americaunearthed. 70640

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