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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:21,059 --> 00:00:23,060 I don't like bringing it all up 2 00:00:23,062 --> 00:00:25,696 because I would like to be friends with everyone again. 3 00:00:25,698 --> 00:00:27,998 But you're asking me questions about that period - 4 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,800 well, that's what went on. 5 00:00:29,802 --> 00:00:31,468 That's just the way it is. 6 00:00:31,470 --> 00:00:34,071 That's the way it went down. I can't bullshit. 7 00:00:34,073 --> 00:00:36,440 Don't want the Pappas brothers to be remembered 8 00:00:36,442 --> 00:00:38,075 as just maniacs. 9 00:00:38,077 --> 00:00:40,911 But it got pretty heavy. Yeah, just weird. 10 00:00:40,913 --> 00:00:43,947 Stuff you wouldn't think would happen in skateboarding. 11 00:00:43,949 --> 00:00:46,183 And the facts is this, boys - 12 00:00:46,185 --> 00:00:48,652 there's three sides to every story - 13 00:00:48,654 --> 00:00:51,121 there's my side, your side and the truth. 14 00:01:12,777 --> 00:01:15,546 Back then, there was no place better to be 15 00:01:15,548 --> 00:01:17,548 than Prahran if you were a skateboarder. 16 00:01:19,517 --> 00:01:23,954 You had all different types of people rocking up there. 17 00:01:23,956 --> 00:01:25,889 People in the tight, torn jeans, 18 00:01:25,891 --> 00:01:28,692 long hair... 19 00:01:28,694 --> 00:01:30,894 Messy ones, clean-cut. 20 00:01:30,896 --> 00:01:32,963 No matter who you were, 21 00:01:32,965 --> 00:01:35,799 you'd just get accepted if you were a skateboarder. 22 00:01:35,801 --> 00:01:37,734 Do you like skaters? 23 00:01:37,736 --> 00:01:40,470 - Yeah, I am one. - Do you like other skaters? 24 00:01:40,472 --> 00:01:43,674 - Yeah, of course. I have to. - You have to? 25 00:01:43,676 --> 00:01:45,909 What do you think of pedestrians? 26 00:01:47,745 --> 00:01:49,379 Can't do much about 'em. 27 00:01:53,017 --> 00:01:55,819 I used to finish school at 3:30, 28 00:01:55,821 --> 00:01:58,589 get my board and go straight to the ramp. 29 00:01:58,591 --> 00:02:01,391 It was the only thing that I wanted to do at the time. 30 00:02:05,396 --> 00:02:07,531 - Oh! - You alright? 31 00:02:07,533 --> 00:02:10,067 Dom! Why do you skate? 32 00:02:10,069 --> 00:02:12,135 - For fun. - Fun? 33 00:02:12,137 --> 00:02:16,006 Yeah. What else would I skate for? Money? 34 00:02:16,008 --> 00:02:19,576 I had that sense of freedom with skateboarding, 35 00:02:19,578 --> 00:02:22,512 and pretty much that was my life at the time - 36 00:02:22,514 --> 00:02:24,147 I was just skateboarding. 37 00:02:24,149 --> 00:02:26,783 School was OK, but skateboarding 38 00:02:26,785 --> 00:02:28,518 was more than that to me. 39 00:02:30,188 --> 00:02:32,155 Looking sharp there, Greg. 40 00:02:32,157 --> 00:02:33,991 Yeah, looking very good! 41 00:02:33,993 --> 00:02:36,226 Every weekend, every night after school, 42 00:02:36,228 --> 00:02:37,861 we used to go down to Prahran. 43 00:02:37,863 --> 00:02:39,930 It was so exciting because there were people 44 00:02:39,932 --> 00:02:44,434 from around Melbourne, a lot of older crew and street guys. 45 00:02:44,436 --> 00:02:46,803 Hey, why do you skate? 46 00:02:46,805 --> 00:02:50,474 'Cause, you know, I've gotta get some enjoyment in my life. 47 00:02:50,476 --> 00:02:53,377 - You know? - Go and have a pull, son. 48 00:02:53,379 --> 00:02:56,113 My mum hated it. 49 00:02:56,115 --> 00:02:59,016 She just didn't understand why I wanted to go to Prahran 50 00:02:59,018 --> 00:03:01,618 all the time and didn't understand that culture. 51 00:03:01,620 --> 00:03:03,920 Still to this day, they don't really understand. 52 00:03:03,922 --> 00:03:06,423 What do you think of skateboarding? 53 00:03:06,425 --> 00:03:09,626 Skateboarding? I haven't thought about it much. 54 00:03:09,628 --> 00:03:12,129 But do you think it's a good sport, really? 55 00:03:12,131 --> 00:03:14,011 If it turns people on, why not? 56 00:03:15,700 --> 00:03:18,435 I was down at Prahran one day. 57 00:03:18,437 --> 00:03:21,471 I was probably, like, 11 or 12. 58 00:03:21,473 --> 00:03:24,675 And these kids padded up and just started from the bottom. 59 00:03:24,677 --> 00:03:27,778 Looked like they'd never even stepped on a board before. 60 00:03:27,780 --> 00:03:30,881 They just got on the ramp and started pumping, 61 00:03:30,883 --> 00:03:33,717 going quarter of the way up, halfway up the ramp. 62 00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:37,020 They didn't give two shits if someone said to them 63 00:03:37,022 --> 00:03:39,790 to get off the ramp, they'd just go and have a skate. 64 00:03:39,792 --> 00:03:42,559 You could see they were pretty hard, you know. 65 00:03:42,561 --> 00:03:46,096 I found out they were called Ben and Tas. 66 00:03:46,098 --> 00:03:48,565 We were young as fuck when we came to Prahran, 67 00:03:48,567 --> 00:03:50,701 which is on the rich side of Melbourne. 68 00:03:50,703 --> 00:03:52,169 We were just normal kids 69 00:03:52,171 --> 00:03:55,105 brought up in a physical kind of atmosphere, 70 00:03:55,107 --> 00:03:58,709 like having rock wars and climbing construction sites 71 00:03:58,711 --> 00:04:00,777 and houses that were being built. 72 00:04:00,779 --> 00:04:03,947 I saw the vert ramp and I was just mesmerised by the fact 73 00:04:03,949 --> 00:04:06,850 that people could fly through the air, and that took over. 74 00:04:06,852 --> 00:04:09,386 We were bogans. 75 00:04:09,388 --> 00:04:11,688 There's bogans in every country. 76 00:04:11,690 --> 00:04:15,559 I think in America they call them hessians or white trash. 77 00:04:15,561 --> 00:04:17,928 They'd be the American bogan. 78 00:04:17,930 --> 00:04:19,963 In Australia, it's just called a bogan, 79 00:04:19,965 --> 00:04:22,432 but it's more the rougher suburb type. 80 00:04:34,779 --> 00:04:38,815 We grew up in suburbia, half Greek, half Aussie. 81 00:04:38,817 --> 00:04:40,550 Sort of rough. 82 00:04:43,154 --> 00:04:48,024 Growing up was pretty hectic as far as Mum and Dad went. 83 00:04:48,026 --> 00:04:50,360 They tried to be together and cool, 84 00:04:50,362 --> 00:04:52,529 but there were just fights every night. 85 00:04:53,765 --> 00:04:55,432 Mum was hardcore. 86 00:04:55,434 --> 00:04:57,167 I mean, they had a fight, they got into it 87 00:04:57,169 --> 00:05:01,671 and then she's screaming and I was, like, freaking out. 88 00:05:01,673 --> 00:05:03,640 'Don't hit Mum!' 89 00:05:03,642 --> 00:05:06,576 Then Mum would come back with a big glass ashtray, 90 00:05:06,578 --> 00:05:08,545 smash Dad in the head, then he's... Bff! 91 00:05:08,547 --> 00:05:11,047 ..laid out on the floor with blood coming out his head! 92 00:05:11,049 --> 00:05:14,151 I'm like, 'Ah! Dad's dead!' 93 00:05:14,153 --> 00:05:16,453 That's the sort of things we saw growing up. 94 00:05:22,794 --> 00:05:25,428 Me and Ben would always be going at it with each other, 95 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:26,897 smashing each other. 96 00:05:26,899 --> 00:05:29,566 And we learned martial arts as kids. 97 00:05:29,568 --> 00:05:31,067 I was in kung-fu when I was five. 98 00:05:31,069 --> 00:05:32,836 They had to take me out of it 99 00:05:32,838 --> 00:05:34,938 'cause I started smashing all the grade fives 100 00:05:34,940 --> 00:05:36,573 when I was in grade one. 101 00:05:36,575 --> 00:05:38,942 Just thought I was Bruce Lee. 102 00:05:38,944 --> 00:05:42,179 My dad and Uncle Willie had a jujitsu school, 103 00:05:42,181 --> 00:05:44,181 and the first thing Uncle Willie taught us 104 00:05:44,183 --> 00:05:45,816 was all the pressure points. 105 00:05:45,818 --> 00:05:48,118 Temples, eyes, behind the ears, 106 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,453 throat, up the nose, down the chin. 107 00:05:50,455 --> 00:05:52,889 And he's teaching us all these death strikes. 108 00:05:52,891 --> 00:05:55,091 Then he'd tell us in class, 109 00:05:55,093 --> 00:05:58,461 'Right! Now, what are you going to do? 110 00:05:58,463 --> 00:06:02,065 You've just walked in, some bloke's raping your mother. 111 00:06:02,067 --> 00:06:04,000 Think about that. She's about to die. 112 00:06:04,002 --> 00:06:06,036 Now what are you going to do to that bloke?' 113 00:06:06,038 --> 00:06:09,606 We'd be in our heads, young, going, 'I'll kill him!' 114 00:06:09,608 --> 00:06:11,775 And then they'd go, 'Now, spar!' 115 00:06:11,777 --> 00:06:13,677 Then we'd go in there and fully spar. 116 00:06:15,814 --> 00:06:17,981 Dad was like, 'Willie, maybe we should ease up 117 00:06:17,983 --> 00:06:20,617 on the death strikes, they're children.' 118 00:06:20,619 --> 00:06:23,253 But I took that to skating and so did Ben. 119 00:06:26,424 --> 00:06:29,459 Sure enough, a week later they're dropping in. 120 00:06:29,461 --> 00:06:32,863 Tas is dropping in, Ben gets up, starts dropping in. 121 00:06:32,865 --> 00:06:35,031 They'd gotten good really quick. 122 00:06:35,033 --> 00:06:37,834 They just did it for fun, how I did. 123 00:06:37,836 --> 00:06:40,037 We'd become really good friends, me, Tas and Ben. 124 00:06:41,672 --> 00:06:43,773 Ben! Yeah! 125 00:06:43,775 --> 00:06:45,709 We were a really tight group 126 00:06:45,711 --> 00:06:48,345 and everyone bonded with each other who could skate. 127 00:06:48,347 --> 00:06:51,047 We were just complete pricks to other people who couldn't, 128 00:06:51,049 --> 00:06:53,583 so it was that sort of mentality. 129 00:06:53,585 --> 00:06:56,853 - Do some fucking tricks! 130 00:06:56,855 --> 00:06:58,955 When are you gonna fucking skateboard?! 131 00:07:01,392 --> 00:07:03,860 That's the way! There you go. 132 00:07:06,899 --> 00:07:11,568 - Oh, look at it. - It's not good enough! 133 00:07:11,570 --> 00:07:15,038 Not fucking good enough! 134 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,674 You're a wanker! Let's go, man. 135 00:07:17,676 --> 00:07:19,509 ♪ The Star-Spangled Banner 136 00:07:27,084 --> 00:07:29,819 Everyone used to come back to my house 137 00:07:29,821 --> 00:07:31,521 and just... all we did 138 00:07:31,523 --> 00:07:34,658 was hang out in the lounge room and watch videos. 139 00:07:36,161 --> 00:07:38,528 We always got really excited 140 00:07:38,530 --> 00:07:41,631 by watching videos from the States 'cause that was it. 141 00:07:49,340 --> 00:07:52,075 I used to just rock in and there was my brother 142 00:07:52,077 --> 00:07:55,412 and a couple of friends watching the videos. 143 00:07:55,414 --> 00:07:58,114 My drive is just progression. 144 00:07:58,116 --> 00:08:00,717 Just to be able to keep going on and doing new things. 145 00:08:00,719 --> 00:08:05,355 To see what they did, I didn't think was possible. 146 00:08:05,357 --> 00:08:06,723 It just blew my mind away. 147 00:08:09,894 --> 00:08:13,029 That's all we watched, and recited songs from them 148 00:08:13,031 --> 00:08:16,766 and just had a laugh about what the skaters were saying. 149 00:08:16,768 --> 00:08:18,902 How long have you been skating? 150 00:08:18,904 --> 00:08:20,537 Six years. 151 00:08:20,539 --> 00:08:24,407 - When did you start? - Um... six years ago. 152 00:08:24,409 --> 00:08:27,444 The Americans had that twang in their voice, 153 00:08:27,446 --> 00:08:30,180 like, 'Hey!' - we used to imitate that. 154 00:08:30,182 --> 00:08:32,582 You're just flying around. 155 00:08:32,584 --> 00:08:34,918 You're not skating any more, just flying around. 156 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,754 Wasn't that Tony Mag's quote in one of the H-Street videos? 157 00:08:37,756 --> 00:08:40,023 It's like you're not skating any more, 158 00:08:40,025 --> 00:08:41,591 you're just flying around. 159 00:08:46,697 --> 00:08:48,932 All I cared about was H-Street. 160 00:08:48,934 --> 00:08:51,334 New gen style, Danny Way style. 161 00:08:53,804 --> 00:08:55,872 I remember being in my room, going, 162 00:08:55,874 --> 00:08:58,074 'That's it. I'm going to America. 163 00:08:58,076 --> 00:09:00,910 I'm going to be the best. I wanna smash Hawk!' 164 00:09:00,912 --> 00:09:02,512 I had these huge dreams. 165 00:09:05,616 --> 00:09:07,484 You just realised 166 00:09:07,486 --> 00:09:10,887 that Australia just didn't have that same buzz. 167 00:09:10,889 --> 00:09:15,091 So to be a part of that US skate culture was our dream. 168 00:09:30,841 --> 00:09:32,942 I was living with my dad during the week 169 00:09:32,944 --> 00:09:35,545 and we stayed with Mum on the weekends. 170 00:09:35,547 --> 00:09:37,380 Mum moved to Clifton Hill, 171 00:09:37,382 --> 00:09:39,482 so the closest vert ramp was Northcote. 172 00:09:39,484 --> 00:09:41,451 That ramp was a lot bigger than Prahran, 173 00:09:41,453 --> 00:09:42,986 and it was pretty much dead there 174 00:09:42,988 --> 00:09:44,829 so we had the ramp to ourselves. 175 00:09:46,924 --> 00:09:49,726 Sometimes these guys would rock up to the ramp 176 00:09:49,728 --> 00:09:51,628 in these two Porsches, 177 00:09:51,630 --> 00:09:54,964 I remember just tripping. 'Who are these two?' 178 00:09:54,966 --> 00:09:58,101 They saw me and Ben learning, fighting and learning, 179 00:09:58,103 --> 00:10:00,804 and he'll learn this and I'll learn that better, 180 00:10:00,806 --> 00:10:03,440 I'll go higher here, and we were just battling. 181 00:10:03,442 --> 00:10:08,778 These guys just so happened to be the two brothers 182 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:10,113 who had pretty much the biggest 183 00:10:10,115 --> 00:10:11,915 distributorship in Australia. 184 00:10:11,917 --> 00:10:14,117 We had no idea who they were either. 185 00:10:14,119 --> 00:10:16,853 Lucky we didn't get lippy to them, eh? 186 00:10:16,855 --> 00:10:19,222 So if you were starting off from the beginning 187 00:10:19,224 --> 00:10:21,825 to learn skateboarding, is the book going to help you? 188 00:10:21,827 --> 00:10:25,228 For sure. It also has a how-to-do section in it. 189 00:10:25,230 --> 00:10:27,764 Stephen and Peter Hill approached us at the ramp 190 00:10:27,766 --> 00:10:30,200 and said, 'Hey, do you guys want to come into Hardcore?' 191 00:10:30,202 --> 00:10:31,835 Which is now known as Globe. 192 00:10:31,837 --> 00:10:33,770 'We'll give you some product and stuff.' 193 00:10:33,772 --> 00:10:37,707 I was expecting a T-shirt and we walked out of Hardcore 194 00:10:37,709 --> 00:10:41,845 that day with so much shit, I was just blown away. 195 00:10:41,847 --> 00:10:44,080 And from that day on, we were hooked up 196 00:10:44,082 --> 00:10:47,050 with the Hill brothers and Hardcore. 197 00:10:47,052 --> 00:10:49,119 Me and Ben, we got sponsored. 198 00:10:49,121 --> 00:10:51,488 We couldn't exactly quite do things yet, 199 00:10:51,490 --> 00:10:53,530 but they thought we were going to be good. 200 00:10:57,928 --> 00:11:01,998 Jerry Sont here and welcome to Melbourne's Festival Hall 201 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,868 where, tonight, skaters from all over the world, 202 00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:07,137 including USA's No.1 Christian Hosoi 203 00:11:07,139 --> 00:11:08,771 and Sweden's Tony Magnusson, 204 00:11:08,773 --> 00:11:11,474 will compete against Australia's best. 205 00:11:11,476 --> 00:11:13,543 The wheels are way more new than his. 206 00:11:13,545 --> 00:11:15,411 Better trucks, they're way stronger. 207 00:11:15,413 --> 00:11:17,113 We've got the ultimate trucks... 208 00:11:17,115 --> 00:11:19,716 These are so shit. It's a joke. 209 00:11:19,718 --> 00:11:22,018 - It's independent. - Grip tape, really chunky. 210 00:11:22,020 --> 00:11:24,487 Independent is where it is at. 211 00:11:24,489 --> 00:11:27,490 1989 Ramp Riot, they wanted us to go on it, 212 00:11:27,492 --> 00:11:29,726 and I told my dad, 'Dad, you've got to go!' 213 00:11:29,728 --> 00:11:31,661 Me and Ben were, 'Yeah, you gotta let us go 214 00:11:31,663 --> 00:11:34,864 to go on tour around Australia.' 215 00:11:34,866 --> 00:11:37,634 Someone from Hardcore spoke to our parents, 216 00:11:37,636 --> 00:11:40,470 and the next thing you know, we're in the team van. 217 00:12:04,628 --> 00:12:06,629 And then we toured around Australia, 218 00:12:06,631 --> 00:12:08,531 seeing all this mayhem go down. 219 00:12:08,533 --> 00:12:11,434 We were staying in a hotel with 30-years-olds, 220 00:12:11,436 --> 00:12:13,536 partying out of control. 221 00:12:13,538 --> 00:12:15,838 We live to skate 100% of the time. 222 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,676 When we travel, we skate. When we're at home, we skate. 223 00:12:19,678 --> 00:12:21,678 The skating shouldn't be organised. 224 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:25,882 It is like trying to chain a wild animal. 225 00:12:25,884 --> 00:12:28,151 It shouldn't be done. 226 00:12:28,153 --> 00:12:30,987 They're all just coked, drinking maniacs 227 00:12:30,989 --> 00:12:32,855 with all these chicks. 228 00:12:32,857 --> 00:12:35,558 Naturally, that's what me and Ben saw as young, young kids 229 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:37,841 and we were like, 'Oh, this is what skating is about.' 230 00:12:43,434 --> 00:12:46,936 And you're young, going, 'Yeah! These pros are cool. 231 00:12:46,938 --> 00:12:48,638 I wanna be a pro skater. 232 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,673 What's that white shit they're sniffing? 233 00:12:50,675 --> 00:12:52,442 Oh, it makes you skate better? Hmm. 234 00:12:52,444 --> 00:12:54,777 Get me tonnes of that.' You know, you'll do it. 235 00:12:57,048 --> 00:12:59,415 So that was our first taste of pro skateboarding. 236 00:13:02,786 --> 00:13:04,787 Harder. 237 00:13:06,958 --> 00:13:09,759 Fuckin'... Unnggh! 238 00:13:11,929 --> 00:13:14,030 I got into video 239 00:13:14,032 --> 00:13:16,899 just because so much stuff was happening at Prahran, 240 00:13:16,901 --> 00:13:19,435 it was entertaining to actually watch 241 00:13:19,437 --> 00:13:22,272 people's reactions to themselves on video. 242 00:13:24,675 --> 00:13:26,555 Why are you filming all the time? 243 00:13:29,079 --> 00:13:32,215 Apart from the skating, we were just hanging out, 244 00:13:32,217 --> 00:13:35,451 doing what your regular boys would do at that age. 245 00:13:35,453 --> 00:13:40,156 Look at that little baby. Mmm. She's just asking for a root. 246 00:13:40,158 --> 00:13:43,593 - Mmm. - Lana, want to fuck? 247 00:13:43,595 --> 00:13:46,095 No, don't say that. Buzz will root you! 248 00:13:46,097 --> 00:13:48,598 Nah, I'm just asking for Buzz. He hasn't got the guts to. 249 00:13:52,703 --> 00:13:54,404 At the same time, 250 00:13:54,406 --> 00:13:57,440 I could see Tas and Ben were getting really good. 251 00:13:57,442 --> 00:13:59,742 They were improving, like, really quickly. 252 00:14:05,382 --> 00:14:06,649 Just go for it. 253 00:14:09,586 --> 00:14:12,922 They were doing new tricks that, in some respects, 254 00:14:12,924 --> 00:14:14,824 that were better than some of the pros 255 00:14:14,826 --> 00:14:16,706 who were in the American videos. 256 00:14:27,671 --> 00:14:30,206 Shut up while I'm trying to skate. All right? 257 00:14:30,208 --> 00:14:31,208 Fair enough. 258 00:14:35,580 --> 00:14:38,648 Tas was an in-your-face kind of guy, 259 00:14:38,650 --> 00:14:40,283 and his skating was the same. 260 00:14:42,419 --> 00:14:43,953 He'd just go for it, 261 00:14:43,955 --> 00:14:47,023 always put together the hardest stuff, back to back. 262 00:14:47,025 --> 00:14:48,958 If he slammed, he slammed. 263 00:14:51,362 --> 00:14:53,696 If he couldn't make a trick, 264 00:14:53,698 --> 00:14:55,998 it was, 'Look out, heads, here is a board coming.' 265 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,968 Fuckin' dick! Fuckin' homo! 266 00:14:58,970 --> 00:15:00,069 Fuckin' eh! 267 00:15:06,811 --> 00:15:10,613 - No, don't say that. - Buzz will root you! 268 00:15:13,718 --> 00:15:17,186 Ben, on that session you just watched today, 269 00:15:17,188 --> 00:15:19,956 what is the outcome, your response? 270 00:15:19,958 --> 00:15:23,126 Ah, well... nothing. 271 00:15:23,128 --> 00:15:25,128 Ben was always different to Tas, 272 00:15:25,130 --> 00:15:27,530 maybe because he was the younger brother. 273 00:15:27,532 --> 00:15:31,501 Quite laid-back and he was just a bit more open-minded. 274 00:15:31,503 --> 00:15:33,069 It was weak. 275 00:15:36,807 --> 00:15:39,742 At the time, there was a big boom in street skating. 276 00:15:39,744 --> 00:15:42,512 It had its own energy, it had its own language. 277 00:15:48,752 --> 00:15:52,422 It was a new generation of kids taking all the old tricks 278 00:15:52,424 --> 00:15:53,890 and adding kickflips 279 00:15:53,892 --> 00:15:56,053 to create a whole new dynamic form of skating. 280 00:16:01,999 --> 00:16:05,034 Ben would come along and skate street with us 281 00:16:05,036 --> 00:16:07,069 and actually try these street tricks 282 00:16:07,071 --> 00:16:09,305 on the vertical, which was just unheard of. 283 00:16:18,048 --> 00:16:19,549 Ben Pappas. 284 00:16:21,752 --> 00:16:24,554 - Kick indy revert. - Yep. Do it. 285 00:16:24,556 --> 00:16:26,422 After the heelflip? 286 00:16:26,424 --> 00:16:29,025 No, try the varial. You're so fucking close to the varial. 287 00:16:29,027 --> 00:16:32,428 The thing that was really amazing about Ben 288 00:16:32,430 --> 00:16:35,565 was he was just, like, completely natural. 289 00:16:35,567 --> 00:16:38,000 If you thought anything, he would do it. 290 00:16:38,002 --> 00:16:40,002 - Back foot kickflip. - You'll never do it. 291 00:16:40,004 --> 00:16:41,704 - All right. - You're dreaming. 292 00:16:41,706 --> 00:16:43,940 Obviously take time, but he'd actually do it 293 00:16:43,942 --> 00:16:46,576 and do it all the time, really easily. 294 00:16:46,578 --> 00:16:49,779 That's when all that sort of vert and street mix 295 00:16:49,781 --> 00:16:52,582 was coming to power, I guess you could say. 296 00:16:59,957 --> 00:17:02,124 Look at how Sean's going, eh? 297 00:17:02,126 --> 00:17:04,794 He'd like to quote movies, my brother. 298 00:17:04,796 --> 00:17:10,166 The movie Platoon was the war between Elias and Barnes, 299 00:17:10,168 --> 00:17:13,836 and he'd say, like, we skated like Barnes and Elias. 300 00:17:13,838 --> 00:17:17,073 Elias was more free-flowing and stoned 301 00:17:17,075 --> 00:17:18,708 and Barnes was like, 302 00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:21,911 'If the machine breaks down, we break down.' 303 00:17:21,913 --> 00:17:23,880 He just gets hammered and just, 'Raah!' 304 00:17:23,882 --> 00:17:26,549 Makes things happen. That's how Ben reckons I skated. 305 00:17:28,886 --> 00:17:32,121 I'd roll in, try to do everything and land it or die. 306 00:17:32,123 --> 00:17:33,890 He'd call it 'Barnesing' it. 307 00:17:36,059 --> 00:17:40,096 Ben was more flick perfect and he was more the Elias, 308 00:17:40,098 --> 00:17:42,138 'cause he tried to be more understanding. 309 00:17:47,371 --> 00:17:50,773 We did everything together. We were inseparable. 310 00:17:50,775 --> 00:17:52,875 Go slowly. 311 00:17:52,877 --> 00:17:56,345 - Wait, are you filming? - Yeah. 312 00:17:56,347 --> 00:17:58,481 The scene was really sort of dead 313 00:17:58,483 --> 00:18:00,483 in Australia at that point. 314 00:18:00,485 --> 00:18:02,818 Just feed it. Don't hurt it. 315 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:06,522 But it sort of brought us sort of closer together. 316 00:18:06,524 --> 00:18:08,057 It's trying to attack me! 317 00:18:08,059 --> 00:18:10,693 Tas and Ben both knew how to have a fun time. 318 00:18:10,695 --> 00:18:11,794 Come on! 319 00:18:14,831 --> 00:18:16,499 Get off! 320 00:18:24,808 --> 00:18:26,175 I'm recording. 321 00:18:26,177 --> 00:18:28,477 Yeah, hang on. 322 00:18:28,479 --> 00:18:30,513 Did it work? 323 00:18:30,515 --> 00:18:32,515 - Nah! - No! 324 00:18:32,517 --> 00:18:35,184 - Did it work? 325 00:18:35,186 --> 00:18:39,555 - Got it, mongol? - Fucking wait. 326 00:18:39,557 --> 00:18:43,059 Tas always had something new up his sleeve, you know. 327 00:18:43,061 --> 00:18:46,195 If it was causing mischief, he definitely wouldn't hold back. 328 00:18:46,197 --> 00:18:48,798 Hold it upside down until the plastic starts burning. 329 00:18:51,435 --> 00:18:55,071 The bomb is gonna go off! 330 00:18:55,073 --> 00:18:57,607 Little bogans, I suppose. That's what we did. 331 00:18:57,609 --> 00:19:00,376 We were always looking for a rush, trying to have fun. 332 00:19:00,378 --> 00:19:02,345 - Fuck off. - Keep away from me! 333 00:19:02,347 --> 00:19:04,780 - You're a fucking goober! - Get away from me! 334 00:19:04,782 --> 00:19:07,650 - Fucking don't hit me. - Get away from me, you idiot. 335 00:19:07,652 --> 00:19:11,120 - You're a cunt. - Well, fuck you, mongol. 336 00:19:12,956 --> 00:19:16,859 Yeah! 337 00:19:16,861 --> 00:19:19,929 What kid doesn't have fun blowing up lighters 338 00:19:19,931 --> 00:19:23,666 or smashing things or finding a stolen car in a paddock 339 00:19:23,668 --> 00:19:27,670 and smashing all the windows in it and setting it on fire? 340 00:19:27,672 --> 00:19:31,674 What little kid didn't enjoy that stuff? 341 00:19:31,676 --> 00:19:34,043 It's what everyone does, don't they? 342 00:19:34,045 --> 00:19:35,578 Didn't they? 343 00:19:44,755 --> 00:19:47,023 Why are you here? 344 00:19:47,025 --> 00:19:48,858 I'm doing a demo. 345 00:19:48,860 --> 00:19:50,760 What do you think of the demo so far? 346 00:19:50,762 --> 00:19:51,894 It sucks. 347 00:19:51,896 --> 00:19:53,462 - Why? - Shit ramp. 348 00:19:53,464 --> 00:19:55,598 Any good-looking chicks out there? 349 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,435 Most of them are lizards. I suppose there'd be a few. 350 00:19:59,437 --> 00:20:02,571 How could you sum Sydney up in one word? 351 00:20:02,573 --> 00:20:03,573 Fucked. 352 00:20:08,145 --> 00:20:10,680 It went sort of slack for a bit. 353 00:20:10,682 --> 00:20:12,448 Not much skating went down. 354 00:20:12,450 --> 00:20:14,417 That was when I made up my mind. 355 00:20:14,419 --> 00:20:17,853 I was 16, worked for a year and a half, saved up my money, 356 00:20:17,855 --> 00:20:20,923 jumped on a plane, vowing to myself I have to go there, 357 00:20:20,925 --> 00:20:22,625 and I have to beat Hawk. 358 00:20:26,830 --> 00:20:30,132 Hello, and welcome to the skate park of Tampa. 359 00:20:30,134 --> 00:20:32,702 I'll be your tour guide. My name is Bill. 360 00:20:32,704 --> 00:20:36,005 Welcome to the pro shop. We've just refinished it. 361 00:20:36,007 --> 00:20:38,708 You've got Fred over here, dealing with construction... 362 00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:42,812 You've got Olly, park employee. And the Sandman. 363 00:20:42,814 --> 00:20:47,116 The first time I met Tas was in Tampa, Florida. 364 00:20:47,118 --> 00:20:51,654 They had a vert ramp in a warehouse where lots of people 365 00:20:51,656 --> 00:20:54,390 from all over the world would show up. 366 00:20:56,427 --> 00:20:58,394 It was not only a great place to skate 367 00:20:58,396 --> 00:21:00,529 but it was a really fun place to party. 368 00:21:00,531 --> 00:21:03,099 It was a cool environment. 369 00:21:03,101 --> 00:21:06,435 We lived in the skate park behind the ramp. 370 00:21:06,437 --> 00:21:08,637 There was the skate park 371 00:21:08,639 --> 00:21:11,874 and then there was an office building inside the warehouse. 372 00:21:11,876 --> 00:21:15,678 We lived under the ramp in the Charlie Brown room. 373 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,913 It was painted yellow with a black zigzag 374 00:21:17,915 --> 00:21:19,648 all the way around the room. 375 00:21:19,650 --> 00:21:22,218 Trippy room, gave you really weird dreams in there. 376 00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:24,453 He was a kid. 377 00:21:24,455 --> 00:21:27,423 I don't even know how you'd gather the kind of money 378 00:21:27,425 --> 00:21:29,892 it takes to get a plane ticket from Australia 379 00:21:29,894 --> 00:21:34,463 to fly all the way to the US with nowhere to stay in sight, 380 00:21:34,465 --> 00:21:35,898 trying to chase a dream 381 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:39,034 that, you know, doesn't seem very realistic. 382 00:21:39,036 --> 00:21:42,037 You get here and if you're the new vert skater 383 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:44,673 from Australia that shows up, nobody cares. 384 00:21:46,143 --> 00:21:48,177 Tas came over here 385 00:21:48,179 --> 00:21:51,814 and his skating was what put him on the map, period. 386 00:21:51,816 --> 00:21:53,048 It was, like, undeniable. 387 00:21:55,719 --> 00:21:58,120 The level of skating there was mad! 388 00:21:58,122 --> 00:22:00,156 Everyone was just going off all the time, 389 00:22:00,158 --> 00:22:02,558 just filming constantly, everyone is there every day. 390 00:22:04,427 --> 00:22:06,662 ..in the pool room. 391 00:22:06,664 --> 00:22:09,732 Mike Frazier, Mike Crum! What do you know? 392 00:22:16,773 --> 00:22:21,177 It was full-blown mayhem. It was crazy, man. 393 00:22:21,179 --> 00:22:23,078 A lot of acid-taking going down. 394 00:22:26,116 --> 00:22:29,218 You get sheets, mini sheets of acid 395 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:31,687 and I'd just have acid all the time. 396 00:22:37,727 --> 00:22:41,197 ♪ Madness and mayhem... ♪ 397 00:22:41,199 --> 00:22:43,899 I filmed my whole part, 398 00:22:43,901 --> 00:22:47,069 all my tricks in the Mad Circle Let The Horns Blow, 399 00:22:47,071 --> 00:22:49,305 I was on acid, and I got Video Part of the Year. 400 00:22:51,708 --> 00:22:53,542 When I'd get on the acid, 401 00:22:53,544 --> 00:22:55,745 it was like everything just felt like I was moving well. 402 00:22:55,746 --> 00:22:57,379 You know that da Vinci painting 403 00:22:57,381 --> 00:22:59,114 where the guy's like this and like this 404 00:22:59,116 --> 00:23:01,550 and it's in the circle, there's all the numbers? 405 00:23:01,552 --> 00:23:02,852 I started feeling like him. 406 00:23:21,404 --> 00:23:25,441 Always wanted to do everything in a line at the end. 407 00:23:25,443 --> 00:23:27,176 I just thought the best thing is, like, 408 00:23:27,178 --> 00:23:30,012 imagine all these mad, single tricks these guys have filmed 409 00:23:30,014 --> 00:23:32,681 and then everyone thinks that's your video part done 410 00:23:32,683 --> 00:23:34,450 and then, at the end of your part, 411 00:23:34,452 --> 00:23:36,218 be able to do it all in one line. 412 00:23:55,673 --> 00:23:59,742 The Mad Circle video really put him on the map 413 00:23:59,744 --> 00:24:03,812 because he was certainly the next guy that was changing 414 00:24:03,814 --> 00:24:07,049 what you thought was possible or how it was done on vert. 415 00:24:07,051 --> 00:24:09,985 There was one line that stood out 416 00:24:09,987 --> 00:24:12,388 that was like all the hardest tricks 417 00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:16,558 that no-one had really ever seen, but put into one line. 418 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,130 Rumour has it that that line was done on mushrooms as well, 419 00:24:21,132 --> 00:24:24,033 so it made it that much more iconic. 420 00:24:31,141 --> 00:24:34,176 In that period when Tas was in the States, 421 00:24:34,178 --> 00:24:37,513 Ben was preparing himself to be a world-class skater. 422 00:24:37,515 --> 00:24:38,814 Oh, yeah! 423 00:24:42,686 --> 00:24:45,754 Whoo-hoo! 424 00:24:45,756 --> 00:24:48,857 - It's fucking cold! 425 00:24:48,859 --> 00:24:51,694 Oh, my God! That was so scary! 426 00:24:51,696 --> 00:24:54,129 You guys are fucked! 427 00:24:54,131 --> 00:24:56,665 He was filming all the time with me, 428 00:24:56,667 --> 00:24:59,134 hanging out, having fun, but also trying to do 429 00:24:59,136 --> 00:25:02,604 the best he could to prepare himself to go to America. 430 00:25:06,109 --> 00:25:08,377 - Start again. - Shut up! 431 00:25:11,514 --> 00:25:14,383 Bunch of slack-jawed faggots here. 432 00:25:14,385 --> 00:25:16,919 This will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, 433 00:25:16,921 --> 00:25:18,921 just like me. 434 00:25:18,923 --> 00:25:22,424 I was 16, I finished Year 10 and went to the States. 435 00:25:22,426 --> 00:25:25,060 My brother was already over there. He finished school. 436 00:25:25,062 --> 00:25:26,862 He was two years older than me, 437 00:25:26,864 --> 00:25:28,697 so he was already in Tampa, Florida. 438 00:25:28,699 --> 00:25:30,619 I flew over to Tampa, met Tas there. 439 00:25:32,502 --> 00:25:36,071 Ben blew straight onto the scene like his brother. 440 00:25:36,073 --> 00:25:38,507 - What's your name? - Ben Pappas. 441 00:25:38,509 --> 00:25:40,676 - Where are you from? - Australia. 442 00:25:40,678 --> 00:25:42,478 - How old are you? - 16. 443 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,747 These guys were putting 444 00:25:44,749 --> 00:25:46,715 such a heavy hit on vert skating 445 00:25:46,717 --> 00:25:48,517 that it was just unbelievable. 446 00:25:52,389 --> 00:25:55,024 Me, my brother and this guy Bo Turner, 447 00:25:55,026 --> 00:25:57,092 we would go to the skate park to go skate, 448 00:25:57,094 --> 00:25:59,728 and then seeing these dudes skate the vert ramp 449 00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:02,031 like no-one else I've seen skate the vert ramp. 450 00:26:02,033 --> 00:26:04,600 Out of nowhere, like, 'Who the fuck are these guys?' 451 00:26:04,602 --> 00:26:06,803 'Oh, they're the Pappas brothers from Australia.' 452 00:26:08,938 --> 00:26:10,739 Both those guys were, 453 00:26:10,741 --> 00:26:13,542 'I'll fucking make this trick. I don't give a shit.' 454 00:26:13,544 --> 00:26:15,110 That was the mentality. 455 00:26:15,112 --> 00:26:17,946 When they were on it, it was like, 'Dude, stand back, 456 00:26:17,948 --> 00:26:21,150 and fucking watch some really, really good skateboarding.' 457 00:26:26,924 --> 00:26:28,924 Got onto the comp circuit. 458 00:26:28,926 --> 00:26:31,894 Being an outsider from another country, it was hard. 459 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,902 You come up, you've gotta start doing stuff 460 00:26:39,904 --> 00:26:42,671 that is just obviously light-years ahead, 461 00:26:42,673 --> 00:26:45,774 or way harder combos which no-one's even bothering to do. 462 00:26:48,945 --> 00:26:50,612 Tas went from a guy 463 00:26:50,614 --> 00:26:52,915 that was living in the skate park at Tampa 464 00:26:52,917 --> 00:26:54,750 to a guy that started to pick up 465 00:26:54,752 --> 00:26:56,685 a bunch of really good sponsors. 466 00:26:56,687 --> 00:26:59,555 Ben, as well, during that 467 00:26:59,557 --> 00:27:03,092 had really stepped into that arena just like Tas. 468 00:27:03,094 --> 00:27:05,594 They were both so fucking gnarly. 469 00:27:11,434 --> 00:27:13,702 It took Ben a bit to get used to the pressure 470 00:27:13,704 --> 00:27:16,438 of the world stage, but once he did, 471 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,940 he just started killing it. 472 00:27:20,144 --> 00:27:22,511 I never thought about the money. 473 00:27:22,513 --> 00:27:25,180 I was just enjoying going on tour 474 00:27:25,182 --> 00:27:28,517 and chicks and new best friends in every city. 475 00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:29,985 It was fun. 476 00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:37,159 Tas Pappas, ready to go. 477 00:27:37,161 --> 00:27:39,094 He's a feisty one. 478 00:27:39,096 --> 00:27:40,896 He is a feisty one... 479 00:27:40,898 --> 00:27:42,698 As the comp circuit went on, 480 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:45,100 I started realising how weird it was getting. 481 00:27:45,102 --> 00:27:47,603 All of a sudden, it's ESPN 482 00:27:47,605 --> 00:27:50,739 and you got your Hawks playing it up to the camera, 483 00:27:50,741 --> 00:27:53,108 really going, like, full mainstream 484 00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:55,043 Brady Bunch type stuff. 485 00:27:55,045 --> 00:27:57,579 It is skateboard vert, 486 00:27:57,581 --> 00:28:00,115 and it is Tony Hawk's turn. 487 00:28:00,117 --> 00:28:02,050 Can I go? 488 00:28:02,052 --> 00:28:05,387 Some X Games it was like, 'X Games welcomes Tony Hawk' 489 00:28:05,389 --> 00:28:07,089 like, he was fully in there at ESPN. 490 00:28:07,091 --> 00:28:08,857 I think he married a chick from ESPN. 491 00:28:08,859 --> 00:28:10,492 It was like he owned it! 492 00:28:10,494 --> 00:28:12,794 Pretty smart businessman, I'd give him that. 493 00:28:12,796 --> 00:28:14,363 Tony Hawk, 494 00:28:14,365 --> 00:28:15,998 one of the greatest ever in this sport. 495 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,133 He's got his own skateboard company, he's into videos, 496 00:28:18,135 --> 00:28:20,669 even took a stab at directing in our ESPN truck. 497 00:28:20,671 --> 00:28:23,038 Hey, I just have a question... 498 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,441 I thought, 'Yeah, what is this? This isn't us.' 499 00:28:26,443 --> 00:28:28,644 Skateboarding is about individuality, 500 00:28:28,646 --> 00:28:30,512 and they were taking that away. 501 00:28:30,514 --> 00:28:32,681 Whoa, nice. 502 00:28:32,683 --> 00:28:34,816 Is he going for something new? 503 00:28:34,818 --> 00:28:37,553 Some of the stuff I saw, I remember shaking my head, 504 00:28:37,555 --> 00:28:41,123 just going, 'Wow, is this what skating has turned into?' 505 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760 We've seen that he can fly high. 506 00:28:44,762 --> 00:28:48,063 Here he goes, scooting across there. He's in the water! 507 00:28:49,934 --> 00:28:53,936 Hawk takes a swim, and the crowd love that! 508 00:29:15,825 --> 00:29:19,461 If you want to be a pro racer, where do you go? 509 00:29:19,463 --> 00:29:22,364 Indianapolis 500. 510 00:29:22,366 --> 00:29:24,766 You want to be an actor, you go to Hollywood. 511 00:29:26,936 --> 00:29:29,271 Want to be model? Go to fucking New York. 512 00:29:32,942 --> 00:29:34,810 You wanna be a pro skateboarder, 513 00:29:34,812 --> 00:29:36,411 you come to San Diego. 514 00:29:39,782 --> 00:29:42,117 I moved to California in '95 515 00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,753 and ended up living with Danny Way, 516 00:29:44,755 --> 00:29:46,121 and then those guys came out. 517 00:29:47,857 --> 00:29:49,992 It's not even that hard. 518 00:29:49,994 --> 00:29:51,927 As soon as me and Ben 519 00:29:51,929 --> 00:29:53,962 moved to San Diego, we felt at home. 520 00:29:53,964 --> 00:29:56,165 Do it all the way. Should go all the way forwards. 521 00:29:59,202 --> 00:30:01,970 Then when Danny and Colin invited me and Ben 522 00:30:01,972 --> 00:30:03,872 to go skate the Plan B ramp with them, 523 00:30:03,874 --> 00:30:05,107 we were just psyched. 524 00:30:05,109 --> 00:30:06,742 Yeah! 525 00:30:06,744 --> 00:30:08,777 It was just like hanging with the boys. 526 00:30:08,779 --> 00:30:12,180 There was no fakeness going on, you know? 527 00:30:12,182 --> 00:30:14,116 Cocky bastard. 528 00:30:16,686 --> 00:30:19,054 They were skating with their hero, Danny. 529 00:30:19,056 --> 00:30:21,590 The level went up, huge. 530 00:30:21,592 --> 00:30:24,092 It was like, 'Holy fuck, dude, did you see that?' 531 00:30:28,431 --> 00:30:32,134 Those guys fed off each other. They were fucking competitive. 532 00:30:32,136 --> 00:30:33,969 Tas would be saying shit to Danny 533 00:30:33,971 --> 00:30:35,871 and they'd get into arguments. 534 00:30:35,873 --> 00:30:39,107 'Fuck, I can't wait to see the skateboarding go down!' 535 00:30:39,109 --> 00:30:40,676 And it went down. 536 00:30:40,678 --> 00:30:42,839 Ah, you trick thief. Jake's been trying that. 537 00:30:54,991 --> 00:30:57,926 Then those guys ended up living at the house 538 00:30:57,928 --> 00:31:02,464 and that was quite a... You know. 539 00:31:02,466 --> 00:31:04,700 I don't know what to say. 540 00:31:12,175 --> 00:31:14,443 That was another mayhem, 541 00:31:14,445 --> 00:31:17,512 living at Danny's house - it was just party time again. 542 00:31:17,514 --> 00:31:22,017 Me and Ben are chopping coke non-stop, skating, partying. 543 00:31:22,019 --> 00:31:25,554 Just... You couldn't escape it in those days, 544 00:31:25,556 --> 00:31:26,988 you know what I mean? 545 00:31:28,725 --> 00:31:31,893 The first time me and Tas sat down, 546 00:31:31,895 --> 00:31:35,564 he took my brand-new bag of weed and I look over 547 00:31:35,566 --> 00:31:39,134 and he's chopping it all up with his cigarettes, you know, 548 00:31:39,136 --> 00:31:42,738 and, to me, that was disrespect. 549 00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:44,439 I was a little pissed. 550 00:31:44,441 --> 00:31:46,208 You know, 'That's my fucking weed. 551 00:31:46,210 --> 00:31:48,377 That's my brand-new bag of weed, ' 552 00:31:48,379 --> 00:31:50,846 and he's chopping it up, making himself a mull. 553 00:31:50,848 --> 00:31:54,149 'It's a fucking mull, mate.' Chopping it up. 554 00:31:54,151 --> 00:31:56,685 I don't really think it was something he tried to do. 555 00:31:56,687 --> 00:32:02,157 I just think he was, like, a natural asshole. 556 00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:06,161 At the time, me and Danny were starting a skateboard company 557 00:32:06,163 --> 00:32:08,063 called Platinum Skateboards 558 00:32:08,065 --> 00:32:11,099 and we wanted Tas and Ben to be on the team. 559 00:32:11,101 --> 00:32:14,770 We started talking to them and it was just on. 560 00:32:28,751 --> 00:32:31,119 Platinum was a bloody dream team. 561 00:32:31,121 --> 00:32:34,923 It was a sick bloody team! 562 00:32:34,925 --> 00:32:38,827 Chet Thomas came on board with us, Henry Sanchez, 563 00:32:38,829 --> 00:32:41,030 but the big drawcard was me and Ben were together. 564 00:32:45,201 --> 00:32:47,669 Tas and Ben were acquaintances 565 00:32:47,671 --> 00:32:50,639 until I got on XYZ Platinum, 566 00:32:50,641 --> 00:32:52,908 and from that point, we got pretty close. 567 00:32:52,910 --> 00:32:56,678 It opened up a different side - For me, anyways, 568 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,613 because I was a street skater. 569 00:32:58,615 --> 00:33:02,484 Seeing those guys skating vert, just going crazy, 570 00:33:02,486 --> 00:33:05,887 living the rock star lifestyle was pretty awesome. 571 00:33:05,889 --> 00:33:07,889 You appreciate it as a street skater 572 00:33:07,891 --> 00:33:09,991 'cause you don't get that rock star status 573 00:33:09,993 --> 00:33:11,760 that the vert guys get. 574 00:33:11,762 --> 00:33:14,095 They do a couple of Mac Twists and come off the ramp 575 00:33:14,097 --> 00:33:16,198 and literally girls are surrounded. 576 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,066 Ben wasn't so much like that, 577 00:33:18,068 --> 00:33:20,936 but Tas indulged in that lifestyle, you know. 578 00:33:23,506 --> 00:33:25,740 They both rode for this new company. 579 00:33:25,742 --> 00:33:28,176 There was all this huge hype surrounding them. 580 00:33:28,178 --> 00:33:30,479 They had this really cool apartment 581 00:33:30,481 --> 00:33:32,581 just steps away from the beach. 582 00:33:32,583 --> 00:33:35,150 Tas's dad had come over and started living with them, 583 00:33:35,152 --> 00:33:36,818 so that was really cool, 584 00:33:36,820 --> 00:33:39,754 and then the contest season started to pick up 585 00:33:39,756 --> 00:33:42,457 in the vert world and there were some big contests. 586 00:33:58,941 --> 00:34:02,878 Tas and Ben just killed all the contests, you know. 587 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,514 They were powerhouses, they come from Australia, 588 00:34:05,516 --> 00:34:08,049 and they just had that Australian attitude 589 00:34:08,051 --> 00:34:09,384 of not giving a shit. 590 00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:18,360 From Melbourne, Australia, Tas Pappas! 591 00:34:20,997 --> 00:34:23,398 There was a bit of push and pull all year 592 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,900 between me, Ben and Hawk. 593 00:34:24,902 --> 00:34:27,536 Tas Pappas opening the door. 594 00:34:27,538 --> 00:34:30,472 Kickflip indy. Wow! 595 00:34:30,474 --> 00:34:32,607 I just remember going to each comp 596 00:34:32,609 --> 00:34:34,209 and we'd be doing latest tricks. 597 00:34:34,211 --> 00:34:36,111 Tas really had a good run. 598 00:34:36,113 --> 00:34:39,548 Hawk was still just doing his normal stuff. 599 00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:41,883 He wasn't flipping his board or any of that stuff, 600 00:34:41,885 --> 00:34:43,919 and he would be winning the comps still. 601 00:34:43,921 --> 00:34:45,554 We were a bit mind-boggled. 602 00:34:45,556 --> 00:34:47,989 And the judges scored a 90. 603 00:34:47,991 --> 00:34:49,691 That means we are deadlocked 604 00:34:49,693 --> 00:34:52,394 and we will have a run-off for the championship. 605 00:34:52,396 --> 00:34:54,062 He's an amazing skater. 606 00:34:54,064 --> 00:34:56,831 I don't particularly like his style. 607 00:34:56,833 --> 00:34:59,367 He just wasn't doing the latest moves 608 00:34:59,369 --> 00:35:01,570 and it was a bit hard to cop at times, you know. 609 00:35:06,509 --> 00:35:10,045 Oh, incredible! Outstanding run by Ben. 610 00:35:10,047 --> 00:35:11,947 Then all of a sudden, Ben went off. 611 00:35:11,949 --> 00:35:15,083 I think he got three firsts in a row or something. 612 00:35:15,085 --> 00:35:17,519 He was just on this roll at one point. 613 00:35:17,521 --> 00:35:18,987 Oh, my goodness! 614 00:35:18,989 --> 00:35:20,922 Ben Pappas is the best skateboarder 615 00:35:20,924 --> 00:35:22,457 in the world right now. 616 00:35:22,459 --> 00:35:25,660 - You've got to be stoked. - I'm stoked as. 617 00:35:25,662 --> 00:35:27,629 I was like, 'He beat me again.' 618 00:35:27,631 --> 00:35:29,965 Then I'd beat him and he's like, 'Grr, next comp.' 619 00:35:29,967 --> 00:35:31,666 Like, brotherly push. 620 00:35:31,668 --> 00:35:33,802 It was always been like that since day one. 621 00:35:33,804 --> 00:35:37,005 Another fakie into a 720. Holy cow! 622 00:35:37,007 --> 00:35:38,640 It got to a point 623 00:35:38,642 --> 00:35:40,709 we weren't even thinking about anyone else. 624 00:35:40,711 --> 00:35:42,544 Hawk wasn't in there. 625 00:35:42,546 --> 00:35:44,946 It was just about pushing each other further and further. 626 00:35:48,918 --> 00:35:51,853 We've been entering contests ever since we were kids. 627 00:35:51,855 --> 00:35:53,822 It's all the same when it comes down to it. 628 00:35:53,824 --> 00:35:56,224 It's just a contest. You're there, you gotta do your best. 629 00:36:05,668 --> 00:36:07,736 I was told on the day 630 00:36:07,738 --> 00:36:13,508 'You and Ben are one point apart from No.1 in the world.' 631 00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:17,178 Ben just had to place higher and he'd have had it. 632 00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:20,815 The crowd, are you guys ready? 633 00:36:22,486 --> 00:36:27,088 1996, Hard Rock Café Vans World Championships. 634 00:36:32,828 --> 00:36:35,664 Tony Hawk is banging trick after trick. 635 00:36:35,666 --> 00:36:38,767 Not a lot of skateboarders are able to do what he is doing. 636 00:36:38,769 --> 00:36:40,769 Hawk did his normal run, 637 00:36:40,771 --> 00:36:44,105 which is a good run, but it wasn't, like... great. 638 00:36:44,107 --> 00:36:47,142 Although he does do a lot of tricks, 639 00:36:47,144 --> 00:36:49,778 the level of intensity wasn't quite as high 640 00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:51,346 as some of the other skaters. 641 00:36:52,782 --> 00:36:54,883 Ben Pappas dropping in, 642 00:36:54,885 --> 00:36:58,486 dropping straight into a huge kickflip indy. 643 00:36:58,488 --> 00:37:00,822 Winner of three previous events 644 00:37:00,824 --> 00:37:02,590 coming into this contest. 645 00:37:02,592 --> 00:37:04,426 It was a long, hard season 646 00:37:04,428 --> 00:37:06,748 and Ben has a tweaked lower back, so he was struggling. 647 00:37:08,831 --> 00:37:11,066 So I decided it was up to me. 648 00:37:11,068 --> 00:37:13,601 I figured I just had to Barnes it, 649 00:37:13,603 --> 00:37:15,904 and Barnesed it is what I did. 650 00:37:15,906 --> 00:37:18,373 Tas! Yeah! 651 00:37:38,461 --> 00:37:41,029 Let's give a little applause for Tas Pappas right now. 652 00:37:41,031 --> 00:37:42,363 He's our No.1 qualifier. 653 00:38:08,023 --> 00:38:10,859 Hawk was a very smart competition skater. 654 00:38:10,861 --> 00:38:13,862 He's a chess master on a skateboard 655 00:38:13,864 --> 00:38:15,864 as far as a comp run is concerned. 656 00:38:15,866 --> 00:38:17,746 But I wasn't interested in that. 657 00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:31,179 I did my stuff and I slammed on a 720 658 00:38:31,181 --> 00:38:33,348 and slid out and went bang. 659 00:38:36,685 --> 00:38:38,787 I knew straight away I had broken my rib, 660 00:38:38,789 --> 00:38:42,557 but it didn't matter 'cause I'd already done my best run 661 00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:44,526 so I didn't think I had to skate again. 662 00:38:44,528 --> 00:38:46,561 Was that enough to beat Tony Hawk? 663 00:38:46,563 --> 00:38:48,563 What do you think? What do you think? 664 00:38:58,374 --> 00:39:02,544 That is a dead tie, so we are headed for a run-off 665 00:39:02,546 --> 00:39:04,813 with Tony Hawk and Tas Pappas. 666 00:39:04,815 --> 00:39:06,481 I didn't believe it. 667 00:39:06,483 --> 00:39:09,350 I was saying, 'Oh, my God, what more can I do?' 668 00:39:09,352 --> 00:39:11,586 I remember Ben going off to the judges, 669 00:39:11,588 --> 00:39:13,354 'How the hell is it a head-to-head? 670 00:39:13,356 --> 00:39:14,989 He did kickflips 10ft high!' 671 00:39:14,991 --> 00:39:16,991 Now I gotta try again? 672 00:39:16,993 --> 00:39:18,993 And it was even harder in the head-to-head 673 00:39:18,995 --> 00:39:21,396 because he would just be going 540, 540, 540, 540, 674 00:39:21,398 --> 00:39:23,631 air to fakie, 720, 540, 540, grind, grind, grind. 675 00:39:23,633 --> 00:39:24,933 You know what I mean? 676 00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:29,904 Well, in situations like this, 677 00:39:29,906 --> 00:39:32,473 you always have to favour the veteran of the sport - 678 00:39:32,475 --> 00:39:34,142 he's been here before. 679 00:39:34,144 --> 00:39:36,544 Tony just doesn't fault. 680 00:39:40,449 --> 00:39:44,419 Tony dropped in, did his run and did every single trick 681 00:39:44,421 --> 00:39:47,488 that he was pretty much doing that day. 682 00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:49,023 I thought he had it in the bag. 683 00:39:49,025 --> 00:39:51,759 I thought, 'Tony's definitely got it.' 684 00:40:06,742 --> 00:40:09,077 I was on top of the roll in... 685 00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:11,713 ..and I'm like, 'What have I got to lose now?' 686 00:40:11,715 --> 00:40:15,049 My rib's already broken so I may as well just go for it. 687 00:40:15,051 --> 00:40:18,653 If I didn't win, I just wanted to be known as the guy 688 00:40:18,655 --> 00:40:22,423 who went completely ballistic. 689 00:40:22,425 --> 00:40:24,759 Are you ready for Tas Pappas? 690 00:40:24,761 --> 00:40:28,129 Look at that, just going giant! 691 00:40:32,468 --> 00:40:34,235 Oh, my goodness! 692 00:40:34,237 --> 00:40:36,237 Oh, my God. 693 00:40:42,678 --> 00:40:45,647 Fakie, 540 to fakie, one of the hardest tricks you can do. 694 00:40:47,082 --> 00:40:49,751 Oh! 695 00:40:49,753 --> 00:40:54,923 That was amazing. Going to be a tough call for the judges. 696 00:40:54,925 --> 00:40:57,659 Was that enough to beat Tony Hawk? 697 00:40:57,661 --> 00:40:59,661 - What do you think? 698 00:41:03,132 --> 00:41:05,967 Well, it's kind of déjà vu in Las Vegas, 699 00:41:05,969 --> 00:41:09,470 Tony Hawk and Tas Pappas went head-to-head for a final. 700 00:41:09,472 --> 00:41:11,606 They did it again today, as you saw, 701 00:41:11,608 --> 00:41:13,708 and I'm gonna tell him for the first time. 702 00:41:13,710 --> 00:41:15,443 Tas, you're the champion, 703 00:41:15,445 --> 00:41:17,946 I don't know if you know that, but you won the contest. 704 00:41:17,948 --> 00:41:20,148 - Did I? No... - You won the contest. 705 00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:22,684 - You're serious? - Yes, you did. 706 00:41:22,686 --> 00:41:24,452 - Nah. 707 00:41:24,454 --> 00:41:27,088 An unbelievable reaction because I know, Tas... 708 00:41:27,090 --> 00:41:28,723 I didn't believe it. 709 00:41:28,725 --> 00:41:30,558 I thought they were taking the piss. 710 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,061 Then after that, I was like, 'No way.' 711 00:41:33,063 --> 00:41:36,197 Are you stoked right now? What are you thinking right now? 712 00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,533 - You're in disbelief. - I don't believe you. 713 00:41:45,541 --> 00:41:48,309 It felt sick! You're at the top. 714 00:41:50,012 --> 00:41:51,913 You're on the best teams, 715 00:41:51,915 --> 00:41:54,015 you're affiliated with the best guys, 716 00:41:54,017 --> 00:41:55,683 winning comps. 717 00:41:55,685 --> 00:41:58,419 That was the goal - to be there, to do that. 718 00:41:59,922 --> 00:42:02,023 It was bloody amazing really. 719 00:42:02,025 --> 00:42:05,526 When they called it, it was like, 'Holy shit!' 720 00:42:05,528 --> 00:42:07,095 Yeah, that was amazing. 721 00:42:07,097 --> 00:42:11,699 I will never forget the day. I was just blown away. 722 00:42:11,701 --> 00:42:14,902 Afterwards, Hawk was sort of angry and cut, 723 00:42:14,904 --> 00:42:17,638 and he came up and he's looked at me, he's like, 724 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,675 'Uh, I just feel like I should have won that.' 725 00:42:20,677 --> 00:42:23,845 Then Ben's just come out, going, 'Fuck off, Hawk. 726 00:42:23,847 --> 00:42:27,115 All year, they have been giving you the comps 727 00:42:27,117 --> 00:42:31,119 and you come to us, "Uh, I think I should have won!"' 728 00:42:31,121 --> 00:42:34,722 And Ben goes, 'Why can't you just be happy 729 00:42:34,724 --> 00:42:37,025 for someone else who's done it, man? 730 00:42:37,027 --> 00:42:38,793 You don't flip your board!' 731 00:42:38,795 --> 00:42:42,563 He goes, 'Fuck off, old man. You're over.' 732 00:42:42,565 --> 00:42:45,600 Because Ben went to bat for me so hard, 733 00:42:45,602 --> 00:42:48,536 I was thinking, 'Do I do the right thing here? 734 00:42:48,538 --> 00:42:50,405 No, Ben.' 735 00:42:50,407 --> 00:42:52,573 I couldn't leave Ben with it and have Hawk hate Ben's guts 736 00:42:52,575 --> 00:42:54,175 and not hate my guts at the same time. 737 00:42:54,177 --> 00:42:56,377 'If my brother's going off for me this hard, 738 00:42:56,379 --> 00:42:58,112 I won't have him look like the only dick. 739 00:42:58,114 --> 00:42:59,714 I'll be a dick with him. 740 00:42:59,716 --> 00:43:01,749 Yeah, fuck off, Hawk, you fucking wanker! 741 00:43:01,751 --> 00:43:04,886 You can't even flip your board, you old prick.' 742 00:43:04,888 --> 00:43:10,425 And that's one of the things that led to our feud. 743 00:43:10,427 --> 00:43:13,161 Tas did a really good job at burning bridges. 744 00:43:13,163 --> 00:43:16,831 You know, he thoroughly would burn down the bridge. 745 00:43:16,833 --> 00:43:19,667 It wasn't like he stepped on someone's toes 746 00:43:19,669 --> 00:43:23,037 and then worked it out with them or anything - 747 00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:24,739 he would step on your toes, 748 00:43:24,741 --> 00:43:26,621 spit in your face and, 'Fuck you!' 749 00:43:30,012 --> 00:43:32,713 No, it's not New York. 750 00:43:32,715 --> 00:43:34,782 It's Melbourne's Prahran skate ramp 751 00:43:34,784 --> 00:43:38,519 where the Pappas brothers have come home to a hero's welcome. 752 00:43:38,521 --> 00:43:40,888 I've had tapes of them when they were younger. 753 00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:42,757 They weren't as good. 754 00:43:42,759 --> 00:43:44,926 And now they've reached the top and they're the best now. 755 00:43:44,928 --> 00:43:47,528 They've got the technique, everything, soul, 756 00:43:47,530 --> 00:43:50,498 whatever it takes, they've got it and they did it. 757 00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:52,967 Tas Pappas and his younger brother Ben 758 00:43:52,969 --> 00:43:57,105 are now the world's No.1 and 2 ranked skateboarders. 759 00:43:57,107 --> 00:43:58,973 I just did it to pass time 760 00:43:58,975 --> 00:44:01,542 and then it started working out for the better. 761 00:44:01,544 --> 00:44:04,178 I couldn't believe it myself, you know. 762 00:44:04,180 --> 00:44:07,682 I thought they would probably get in the top ten or five, 763 00:44:07,684 --> 00:44:11,452 but I never expected them to take it that far. 764 00:44:11,454 --> 00:44:14,088 I am a professional athlete. I'm about to do an interview. 765 00:44:14,090 --> 00:44:16,090 We went back home to celebrate. 766 00:44:16,092 --> 00:44:17,859 We were just on such a high, 767 00:44:17,861 --> 00:44:19,760 we just didn't want the party to end. 768 00:44:19,762 --> 00:44:23,698 Everywhere we went, we had a few casual lines of coke, 769 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:26,901 which turned into three weeks at a time. 770 00:44:26,903 --> 00:44:28,636 Yeah, it was party time. 771 00:44:28,638 --> 00:44:30,671 Come in, James, are you there? 772 00:44:30,673 --> 00:44:33,908 Tas Pappas, everyone, give him a round of applause! 773 00:44:36,513 --> 00:44:39,714 Tas, can I ask a question? You are world champion. 774 00:44:39,716 --> 00:44:41,782 You won the $10,000 prize or so 775 00:44:41,784 --> 00:44:43,551 recently up against Tony Hawk 776 00:44:43,553 --> 00:44:45,019 and you did it with a broken rib. 777 00:44:45,021 --> 00:44:46,787 How did that happen? 778 00:44:46,789 --> 00:44:51,759 That was in my final run. I slammed and smacked my ribs. 779 00:44:51,761 --> 00:44:54,829 Watching TV and Hey, Hey, It's Saturday came on, 780 00:44:54,831 --> 00:44:56,597 and I saw Ben and Tas, 781 00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:59,400 and I went, 'Oh, my God!' 782 00:44:59,402 --> 00:45:02,003 They were completely bonkers. 783 00:45:02,005 --> 00:45:03,671 This is Tas's brother, Ben. 784 00:45:03,673 --> 00:45:05,640 They were just all pumped up, 785 00:45:05,642 --> 00:45:08,142 egos were flying and high as fuck. 786 00:45:08,144 --> 00:45:10,077 ..brother on the world circuit with you? 787 00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,480 I'm stoked to have Tas on the world tour. It's rad. 788 00:45:12,482 --> 00:45:14,048 We get to cruise around, skate. 789 00:45:14,050 --> 00:45:15,516 Yeah, I think he likes it too. 790 00:45:15,518 --> 00:45:18,853 A whole new lingo thing going on here. 791 00:45:18,855 --> 00:45:20,621 Thank the boys 792 00:45:20,623 --> 00:45:22,156 for showing us what they do. 793 00:45:22,158 --> 00:45:24,859 We're proud to have the No.1 and No.2 in the world. 794 00:45:24,861 --> 00:45:26,494 Yeah, these guys rock. 795 00:45:26,496 --> 00:45:28,362 - Whoa! - Heavy slam! 796 00:45:33,802 --> 00:45:35,069 Tas! 797 00:45:36,672 --> 00:45:38,172 Hey, Tas. 798 00:45:38,174 --> 00:45:40,708 What's in your mouth? 799 00:45:43,580 --> 00:45:45,980 I was training with Danny's trainer. 800 00:45:45,982 --> 00:45:49,750 I just was feeling pain and he did a full check on my body, 801 00:45:49,752 --> 00:45:51,652 X-rayed everything 802 00:45:51,654 --> 00:45:53,895 and then it turned I out I had spondylolisthesis. 803 00:45:55,524 --> 00:45:58,459 Spondylolisthesis is where the vertebrae 804 00:45:58,461 --> 00:45:59,827 breaks off the wings. 805 00:45:59,829 --> 00:46:01,696 My spinal cord was jammed down the bottom. 806 00:46:01,698 --> 00:46:05,433 He told Danny, 'Don't force Tas to skate. 807 00:46:05,435 --> 00:46:07,501 He'll end up paralysed.' 808 00:46:07,503 --> 00:46:09,870 He told him, 'He needs some time to get strong'. 809 00:46:09,872 --> 00:46:12,106 I ended up paying him ten grand to do my physio. 810 00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:15,376 Do you want a Jack-and-coke? 811 00:46:15,378 --> 00:46:18,813 When I'd get injured, I'd just go party, 812 00:46:18,815 --> 00:46:20,982 I'm not going to sit at home doing this and that. 813 00:46:20,984 --> 00:46:22,617 I'd just get on it. 814 00:46:22,619 --> 00:46:25,052 What are you going to do when you're young, 815 00:46:25,054 --> 00:46:26,787 you've been on top of the world, 816 00:46:26,789 --> 00:46:29,690 you've got major injury, you're thinking this and that? 817 00:46:29,692 --> 00:46:31,459 You're going to party, aren't you? 818 00:46:31,461 --> 00:46:33,494 Once you've already got a habit, why stop? 819 00:46:33,496 --> 00:46:35,096 You've got money, you've got this, 820 00:46:35,098 --> 00:46:37,018 you think it's never going to end. 821 00:46:38,533 --> 00:46:41,535 Going from nothing and then making money 822 00:46:41,537 --> 00:46:44,639 and you're that young and you're in a foreign land, 823 00:46:44,641 --> 00:46:45,906 it's got to be weird. 824 00:46:45,908 --> 00:46:48,576 All of a sudden you can do shit. 825 00:46:48,578 --> 00:46:51,412 When those guys started making a lot of money, 826 00:46:51,414 --> 00:46:54,515 they got a nice house, they were cruising around 827 00:46:54,517 --> 00:46:56,784 and having a good fucking time for a while. 828 00:46:56,786 --> 00:46:58,519 Everything was great. 829 00:46:58,521 --> 00:47:02,690 But then... fucking doing drugs and stuff, 830 00:47:02,692 --> 00:47:04,625 that definitely fucks you up. 831 00:47:04,627 --> 00:47:06,761 Everyone looks better in gold. The gold rim. 832 00:47:06,763 --> 00:47:08,829 I would always have tonnes of coke on me. 833 00:47:08,831 --> 00:47:10,731 I had a pound of coke at one time 834 00:47:10,733 --> 00:47:12,433 just sitting in my dresser, 835 00:47:12,435 --> 00:47:14,802 Didn't even think if I got caught I'd get time. 836 00:47:14,804 --> 00:47:16,671 I remember waking up in the mornings, 837 00:47:16,673 --> 00:47:18,139 I had a big brick of this shit, 838 00:47:18,141 --> 00:47:20,608 and I had a mad knife in my top dresser. 839 00:47:20,610 --> 00:47:22,143 I'd wake up, and it was sharp as, 840 00:47:22,145 --> 00:47:24,045 and I'd just scrape the top of the brick 841 00:47:24,047 --> 00:47:25,680 and then... 842 00:47:25,682 --> 00:47:27,148 Straight off the knife, 843 00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:29,183 and just have it sitting there at all times. 844 00:47:29,185 --> 00:47:33,454 Lee Ralph came over and I'd break off a good chunk, 845 00:47:33,456 --> 00:47:35,489 and do it until it was gone. 846 00:47:35,491 --> 00:47:38,626 I liked to buy in bulk back in those days. 847 00:47:41,396 --> 00:47:43,764 Those fucking guys went nuts. 848 00:47:43,766 --> 00:47:46,667 Going over to their house to pick up Tas 849 00:47:46,669 --> 00:47:50,738 to go film with him one night, and he's doing coke. 850 00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:53,074 There was a mound of it. It looked like Scarface. 851 00:47:53,076 --> 00:47:55,443 I mean, it was, like, a mound of cocaine. 852 00:47:55,445 --> 00:47:57,378 Like, 'Hey, Lance, want to do some?' 853 00:47:57,380 --> 00:48:00,214 And I'm like, 'All right.' 854 00:48:06,388 --> 00:48:08,089 He'd bring some along with him 855 00:48:08,091 --> 00:48:10,825 and we're driving to the Plan B ramp 856 00:48:10,827 --> 00:48:13,794 and we get pulled over by the cops. 857 00:48:13,796 --> 00:48:16,430 Get out of the car. 858 00:48:16,432 --> 00:48:18,833 I'm like, 'Oh, shit, dude.' 859 00:48:18,835 --> 00:48:21,135 I know he's got it with him. 860 00:48:21,137 --> 00:48:23,604 Get your driver's licence out. 861 00:48:23,606 --> 00:48:25,606 They're like, 'What are you guys doing?' 862 00:48:25,608 --> 00:48:27,041 'We're about to skate a ramp.' 863 00:48:27,043 --> 00:48:28,776 The cops are like, 'Yeah, right.' 864 00:48:28,778 --> 00:48:30,811 I'm like, 'Look, there's the skateboard, 865 00:48:30,813 --> 00:48:32,813 all the pads. Want to watch?' 866 00:48:32,815 --> 00:48:34,982 What's this contraption on here? 867 00:48:34,984 --> 00:48:36,817 - It's a skateboard. - A what? 868 00:48:36,819 --> 00:48:38,652 We got away with that one 869 00:48:38,654 --> 00:48:41,489 and I'm like, 'Fuck, man, we almost got busted for that.' 870 00:48:41,491 --> 00:48:42,890 That's when I was like, 871 00:48:42,892 --> 00:48:45,726 'Man, you've got to stop doing that shit.' 872 00:48:45,728 --> 00:48:47,795 Let me film all this shit. 873 00:48:47,797 --> 00:48:49,430 I'll fucking film it. 874 00:48:56,605 --> 00:48:58,873 There was definitely 875 00:48:58,875 --> 00:49:01,776 more partying that went on than skateboarding, 876 00:49:01,778 --> 00:49:05,746 and Tas became impossible to deal with. 877 00:49:05,748 --> 00:49:08,616 You fucking rule, mate. 878 00:49:08,618 --> 00:49:11,752 I'm the same as you guys. We all skate. We skate. 879 00:49:11,754 --> 00:49:13,120 Yeah! 880 00:49:13,122 --> 00:49:16,590 I'm just the same. I just got lucky. 881 00:49:16,592 --> 00:49:20,528 I could be God fucking... 882 00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:24,498 Fact of the matter is it's the skaters for the skaters 883 00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:27,668 and fucking Platinum is for the skaters. 884 00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:29,703 - Yeah! - You guys rule. 885 00:49:29,705 --> 00:49:32,139 The Vegas contest we all went out to, 886 00:49:32,141 --> 00:49:36,977 I remember Tas getting so wasted and so belligerent 887 00:49:36,979 --> 00:49:38,946 he didn't even skate the contest. 888 00:49:42,652 --> 00:49:44,552 - Who rules? 889 00:49:44,554 --> 00:49:46,086 - Who rules? 890 00:49:46,088 --> 00:49:48,456 He went up on top of the platform 891 00:49:48,458 --> 00:49:50,124 and we had a box of XYZ stuff 892 00:49:50,126 --> 00:49:53,594 he was throwing out to the crowd during a contest run. 893 00:49:57,999 --> 00:50:02,536 The main chick that ran the contest tried to stop him. 894 00:50:02,538 --> 00:50:05,940 He's called her a cunt, told her to fuck off, you know. 895 00:50:05,942 --> 00:50:10,110 It got the crowd away from the contest, chanting. 896 00:50:14,116 --> 00:50:16,717 Louder! 897 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,986 He disrupted the whole event. 898 00:50:18,988 --> 00:50:20,921 At the time he was so drunk, 899 00:50:20,923 --> 00:50:23,557 I don't think he saw really what he was doing. 900 00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:26,727 He was just stoked on the energy that he was creating. 901 00:50:26,729 --> 00:50:30,664 X-Y-Z! Platinum! 902 00:50:32,435 --> 00:50:34,101 Platinum! 903 00:50:34,103 --> 00:50:36,871 Everywhere Tas went was like a fucking tornado, man. 904 00:50:36,873 --> 00:50:38,839 He just truly didn't give a shit. 905 00:50:38,841 --> 00:50:42,543 XYZ, Platinum! Or I'll fuck your mum! 906 00:50:42,545 --> 00:50:44,945 I'll fuck your mum. 907 00:50:44,947 --> 00:50:47,648 Tommy was like, 'Why aren't you skating?' 908 00:50:47,650 --> 00:50:49,917 I think he was starting to confuse the issue 909 00:50:49,919 --> 00:50:52,386 with my partying as to just not wanting to skate. 910 00:50:53,922 --> 00:50:57,691 That's when the downfall started. 911 00:50:57,693 --> 00:51:00,160 Right there was when it started to go sour. 912 00:51:09,938 --> 00:51:12,172 We just had good times. 913 00:51:12,174 --> 00:51:15,109 We drank a lot, smoked a lot of weed and just partied. 914 00:51:15,111 --> 00:51:16,210 Had a good time. 915 00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:21,782 Me, Ben and Sanchez were always smoking bongs, 916 00:51:21,784 --> 00:51:24,385 doing snow cones, smoking coke. 917 00:51:27,622 --> 00:51:30,157 We thought that the money was never going to stop. 918 00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,993 I was No.1 in the world and Danny Way had his name, 919 00:51:32,995 --> 00:51:35,115 and we were killing it and we were rock stars. 920 00:51:39,135 --> 00:51:43,170 - Holy shit! 921 00:51:43,172 --> 00:51:46,240 - He just went off. - That was fucking insane. 922 00:51:46,242 --> 00:51:47,908 I thought I'd get burned. 923 00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:50,111 I thought this house was going up in flames, dude. 924 00:51:58,653 --> 00:52:00,854 When you start making a lot of money, 925 00:52:00,856 --> 00:52:02,856 a lot of shit comes along with that. 926 00:52:02,858 --> 00:52:07,595 People get ego-driven and greedy. 927 00:52:07,597 --> 00:52:10,998 You get a shitload of people that pretend to be your friend 928 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,566 just to get stuff out of you, 929 00:52:12,568 --> 00:52:14,435 especially where money is involved. 930 00:52:14,437 --> 00:52:15,970 Shit can get pretty messy. 931 00:52:17,038 --> 00:52:19,640 Oh, my God! 932 00:52:19,642 --> 00:52:21,375 - Jesus! 933 00:52:26,881 --> 00:52:29,750 There was no direction in the company. 934 00:52:29,752 --> 00:52:32,219 How you survive in skateboarding is basically 935 00:52:32,221 --> 00:52:34,088 you get a good team and you film a video 936 00:52:34,090 --> 00:52:36,523 and you make good products. It's that simple. 937 00:52:36,525 --> 00:52:38,759 But there was no direction at all. 938 00:52:38,761 --> 00:52:42,463 Danny would send me to San Diego to skate and film, 939 00:52:42,465 --> 00:52:45,432 and I would skate vert, I am a street skater. 940 00:52:45,434 --> 00:52:49,236 So... nothing was very organised at all. 941 00:52:54,876 --> 00:52:57,544 It seemed like XYZ all of a sudden, 942 00:52:57,546 --> 00:53:00,814 which was part of Platinum, they had built this huge ramp, 943 00:53:00,816 --> 00:53:03,617 one of the first really big ramps, at this warehouse. 944 00:53:03,619 --> 00:53:07,755 Now these guys had this really gnarly practice facility 945 00:53:07,757 --> 00:53:10,491 or vert ramp to themselves. 946 00:53:10,493 --> 00:53:11,825 Everyone was like, 'What?' 947 00:53:11,827 --> 00:53:13,747 You'd never seen anything like that. 948 00:53:15,964 --> 00:53:18,799 Danny and Tommy never listened to budgets, 949 00:53:18,801 --> 00:53:20,501 and then the investors are like, 950 00:53:20,503 --> 00:53:22,536 'What's going on with the money from XYZ?' 951 00:53:22,538 --> 00:53:23,937 It was just dwindling away. 952 00:53:23,939 --> 00:53:26,106 And I couldn't skate because of the back, 953 00:53:26,108 --> 00:53:28,142 but I was still blinded by the light, 954 00:53:28,144 --> 00:53:30,577 sniffing the lines of coke from hell. 955 00:53:30,579 --> 00:53:32,459 'Yeah, whatever, I'm the best.' 956 00:53:37,085 --> 00:53:39,953 I disagreed with the money-spending thing. 957 00:53:39,955 --> 00:53:41,889 I thought it was stupid. 958 00:53:41,891 --> 00:53:43,791 Fucking buying dumb shit and I'm like, 959 00:53:43,793 --> 00:53:47,828 'We don't need that. We're a young company.' 960 00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:51,498 It felt like they expected me to be 'Fuck, let's go for it.' 961 00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:53,033 No. 962 00:53:53,035 --> 00:53:54,935 You need to put the money back into the company. 963 00:53:54,937 --> 00:53:58,472 You don't start buying fucking vans 964 00:53:58,474 --> 00:54:02,710 and stupid shit we don't need and partying and... Eugh. 965 00:54:02,712 --> 00:54:05,112 I just wanted to make it in skateboarding, 966 00:54:05,114 --> 00:54:06,955 and that's why I got out of it. 967 00:54:09,751 --> 00:54:11,618 They came and picked me up, 968 00:54:11,620 --> 00:54:13,153 took me for a drive 969 00:54:13,155 --> 00:54:16,623 and Danny and Tommy were in the car. 970 00:54:16,625 --> 00:54:20,027 They said 'Listen, we're gonna have to let you go. 971 00:54:20,029 --> 00:54:23,630 Platinum is no more. 972 00:54:23,632 --> 00:54:26,400 There's just no more money. 973 00:54:26,402 --> 00:54:29,870 And we hate to break it to you, 974 00:54:29,872 --> 00:54:32,639 but your dad embezzled the money, he took the money. 975 00:54:32,641 --> 00:54:34,742 There's just no more money.' 976 00:54:34,744 --> 00:54:36,143 I went, 'What?' 977 00:54:36,145 --> 00:54:38,946 I was in the car going, 'You're fucking kidding. 978 00:54:38,948 --> 00:54:41,749 My dad wouldn't take money. What are you talking about?' 979 00:54:41,751 --> 00:54:43,217 They fully tried to say 980 00:54:43,219 --> 00:54:45,018 my dad stole all the money from the company, 981 00:54:45,020 --> 00:54:46,687 and then it got out in the industry 982 00:54:46,689 --> 00:54:48,655 that that's what was said about my dad 983 00:54:48,657 --> 00:54:49,790 and I wasn't having that. 984 00:54:52,026 --> 00:54:54,995 Kicking him off the team wasn't easy. 985 00:54:54,997 --> 00:54:57,097 It was like, I had to deal with this guy 986 00:54:57,099 --> 00:55:01,168 and it would now turn into a little personal war. 987 00:55:01,170 --> 00:55:05,773 I felt at the time I've put a lot into him, 988 00:55:05,775 --> 00:55:07,908 I helped him out as much as I could 989 00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:12,012 and he thoroughly, I felt, fucked us over. 990 00:55:15,483 --> 00:55:18,385 I had a lot of resentment and a lot of frustration 991 00:55:18,387 --> 00:55:20,053 and anger towards him 992 00:55:20,055 --> 00:55:21,789 where I wanted to fuck him up. 993 00:55:28,763 --> 00:55:30,898 We were sitting at our house one night. 994 00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:34,101 Next thing you know we hear boom, boom on my roof. 995 00:55:34,103 --> 00:55:38,172 I go outside and it's a fucking beer bottle 996 00:55:38,174 --> 00:55:40,140 with a sock on fire and full of petrol. 997 00:55:40,142 --> 00:55:41,842 Lucky it didn't break. 998 00:55:41,844 --> 00:55:45,045 We heard fast footsteps. It sounded like little legs. 999 00:55:45,047 --> 00:55:46,847 And Tommy has got little legs. 1000 00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:50,083 He tried to petrol bomb the house. 1001 00:55:50,085 --> 00:55:53,420 I thought 'Fuck, this guy's off tap.' 1002 00:55:53,422 --> 00:55:58,025 I did things on my end to let him know that 1003 00:55:58,027 --> 00:56:00,027 'I wanted you fucking out of here, man. 1004 00:56:00,029 --> 00:56:03,130 We helped you get here and you can leave now.' 1005 00:56:03,132 --> 00:56:05,599 We need to get the ball rolling, all right? 1006 00:56:05,601 --> 00:56:06,900 All right. 1007 00:56:06,902 --> 00:56:08,802 Jump in off that and go right here, OK? 1008 00:56:08,804 --> 00:56:10,365 OK, mate. 1009 00:56:12,006 --> 00:56:18,045 XYZ Platinum both had fallen apart... 1010 00:56:18,047 --> 00:56:21,748 ..and then sort of quickly from everyone being 1011 00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:24,117 this sort of band of brothers mentality, 1012 00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:27,054 there seemed to be this huge falling-out 1013 00:56:27,056 --> 00:56:29,590 between Tas and Danny. 1014 00:56:29,592 --> 00:56:31,925 Then all of a sudden, it was, like, cut ties 1015 00:56:31,927 --> 00:56:33,894 and Tas and Ben were not even allowed 1016 00:56:33,896 --> 00:56:35,829 to skate the ramp any more. 1017 00:56:35,831 --> 00:56:38,398 It turned kind of ugly really fast. 1018 00:56:40,501 --> 00:56:42,736 I started thinking, 'This is crap. 1019 00:56:42,738 --> 00:56:44,938 Is this really what skateboarding is all about, 1020 00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:46,940 just backstabbing bullshit over money?' 1021 00:56:46,942 --> 00:56:50,077 I hated it and Ben hated it. 1022 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:51,879 We'd be talking and Ben says, 1023 00:56:51,881 --> 00:56:53,914 'I can't handle the fakeness over here.' 1024 00:56:53,916 --> 00:56:56,250 So he decided to go home for a while. 1025 00:56:59,721 --> 00:57:02,055 We dropped Ben off at LAX. 1026 00:57:02,057 --> 00:57:06,493 So I slept in and then I woke up to the phone ringing, 1027 00:57:06,495 --> 00:57:10,564 and it was Ben at Melbourne Airport. 1028 00:57:10,566 --> 00:57:13,901 And all I heard Ben say was, 'Tas, I fucked up.' 1029 00:57:16,371 --> 00:57:19,106 Ben Pappas was arrested at Melbourne Airport. 1030 00:57:19,108 --> 00:57:21,842 His credit card triggered a high cocaine reading. 1031 00:57:21,844 --> 00:57:24,611 X-rays of his sneakers revealed 1032 00:57:24,613 --> 00:57:29,750 103g of cocaine with a street value of more than $50,000 1033 00:57:29,752 --> 00:57:31,184 concealed in the sole. 1034 00:57:31,186 --> 00:57:33,487 Ben Pappas and his brother, Tas, 1035 00:57:33,489 --> 00:57:36,690 are youth sensations, idolised to the United States, 1036 00:57:36,692 --> 00:57:39,426 where skaters rub shoulders with rock stars. 1037 00:57:39,428 --> 00:57:41,561 The pair is ranked one and two in the world, 1038 00:57:41,563 --> 00:57:44,698 but such heights are now likely to elude Ben Pappas 1039 00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:47,868 after he was caught smuggling cocaine into Melbourne. 1040 00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:50,437 As imports go, it was only a small amount - 1041 00:57:50,439 --> 00:57:53,740 just over 100g for his own personal use. 1042 00:57:53,742 --> 00:57:56,843 But importing the drug is punishable by a hefty fine 1043 00:57:56,845 --> 00:57:58,745 or, at worst, a term in prison. 1044 00:57:58,747 --> 00:58:01,682 Whatever happens to him, it's almost certain that Ben Pappas 1045 00:58:01,684 --> 00:58:04,004 will never be allowed into the United States to compete. 1046 00:58:08,656 --> 00:58:11,591 That was just bloody the most shattering phone call 1047 00:58:11,593 --> 00:58:14,561 because I knew Ben couldn't come back. 1048 00:58:14,563 --> 00:58:16,483 That shattered me. I cried and... 1049 00:58:17,432 --> 00:58:18,732 ..I just couldn't believe it. 1050 00:58:20,568 --> 00:58:23,737 Picked up the paper and it just was Ben Pappas, 1051 00:58:23,739 --> 00:58:29,109 busted at Melbourne Airport for cocaine in his shoe. 1052 00:58:29,111 --> 00:58:32,379 You just thought, 'What the fuck are you doing? 1053 00:58:32,381 --> 00:58:33,947 You're blowing it.' 1054 00:58:35,950 --> 00:58:38,185 My jaw pretty much dropped. 1055 00:58:38,187 --> 00:58:41,555 I thought he was in the motivation to become No.1. 1056 00:58:41,557 --> 00:58:45,158 I didn't think it was like Ben to do that, bring it over. 1057 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,928 I used to get along with Ben back in the day, 1058 00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:52,499 so I kind of really felt for him at the time. 1059 00:58:52,501 --> 00:58:55,569 I wanted to see him get through it. 1060 00:58:55,571 --> 00:58:58,705 Being pro skaters who are travelling a lot, 1061 00:58:58,707 --> 00:59:01,341 people always propositioned each other. 1062 00:59:01,343 --> 00:59:03,343 'Imagine we just brought it from here 1063 00:59:03,345 --> 00:59:05,112 because it's so much cheaper.' 1064 00:59:05,114 --> 00:59:10,517 But... you know not to run 'em across borders. 1065 00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:14,654 The pay-off is not big enough. 1066 00:59:14,656 --> 00:59:16,776 Does it mean the end of competition? 1067 00:59:20,061 --> 00:59:22,696 It beat him up big time. 1068 00:59:25,066 --> 00:59:27,768 He just had a lot of regret. 1069 00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:29,403 He used to say to me, 1070 00:59:29,405 --> 00:59:31,738 'Fuck, if only I left my shoes on the plane.' 1071 00:59:37,378 --> 00:59:39,046 He couldn't go overseas, 1072 00:59:39,048 --> 00:59:41,148 he couldn't travel and make a living from it. 1073 00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:44,651 For him, that was a huge wake-up call, man - 1074 00:59:44,653 --> 00:59:47,187 coming from second in the world 1075 00:59:47,189 --> 00:59:50,891 to, like, rock bottom, that's it. 1076 00:59:50,893 --> 00:59:54,227 That would be a spear through the heart, pretty much. 1077 00:59:57,799 --> 00:59:59,399 I was shattered. 1078 00:59:59,401 --> 01:00:02,202 My partner in crime has gone. 1079 01:00:02,204 --> 01:00:04,871 I'm gonna be touring the world alone now. 1080 01:00:04,873 --> 01:00:09,476 Any country I go in, no-one's really got my back any more. 1081 01:00:09,478 --> 01:00:12,579 It was me and Ben against the world. Now it's only me. 1082 01:00:19,754 --> 01:00:21,221 What are you guys up to? 1083 01:00:21,223 --> 01:00:23,490 - We're just looking around. - Hello! 1084 01:00:23,492 --> 01:00:25,859 - You can sign right here. - All right. 1085 01:00:27,528 --> 01:00:30,664 - What's your name? - Gabe. 1086 01:00:30,666 --> 01:00:34,201 I was living with Tas when Ben got caught. 1087 01:00:34,203 --> 01:00:36,283 I remember everyone was kind of devastated. 1088 01:00:37,572 --> 01:00:39,739 Switch ollie. 1089 01:00:39,741 --> 01:00:41,074 Dude, this is it! 1090 01:00:41,076 --> 01:00:43,043 I started filming him a lot, 1091 01:00:43,045 --> 01:00:45,912 That's when he started doing the 900, and he was so close. 1092 01:00:50,852 --> 01:00:52,653 - Whoa! - Fuck off! 1093 01:00:56,524 --> 01:00:59,693 After Ben got busted, I was thinking, 1094 01:00:59,695 --> 01:01:01,394 'It's time to knuckle down, 1095 01:01:01,396 --> 01:01:04,631 try to kick the doors open again for me and Ben, 1096 01:01:04,633 --> 01:01:07,067 like I did when I first came to the States. 1097 01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:09,102 If I nail the nine that could lead me to money 1098 01:01:09,104 --> 01:01:11,071 which could help get my brother back.' 1099 01:01:11,073 --> 01:01:12,472 Tas! 1100 01:01:12,474 --> 01:01:14,174 Do a 900. 1101 01:01:14,176 --> 01:01:17,911 The 900 was something that's never been done before, 1102 01:01:17,913 --> 01:01:19,279 and it was very scary. 1103 01:01:21,516 --> 01:01:25,185 A 540 is one and a half spins. 1104 01:01:25,187 --> 01:01:28,488 With a 900, you go up, you do a 540 1105 01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:30,824 and another 360, bang. 1106 01:01:35,796 --> 01:01:37,564 Whoo! 1107 01:01:37,566 --> 01:01:38,798 He was so close, 1108 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,567 landing on 'em, almost making it. 1109 01:01:40,569 --> 01:01:43,170 We had a couple of people from Transworld Magazine 1110 01:01:43,172 --> 01:01:45,772 come and shoot sequences of Tas. 1111 01:01:45,774 --> 01:01:50,443 Yeah, he's gonna do it, Grant. You want to bet 100? 1112 01:01:50,445 --> 01:01:52,979 Grant Brittain, he's an old-school photographer 1113 01:01:52,981 --> 01:01:55,982 who works for Transworld who's shot Hawk for years. 1114 01:01:55,984 --> 01:01:58,685 He shot all his photos, they've been mates for years. 1115 01:01:58,687 --> 01:02:02,022 I just thought, 'Sick, Grant's being cool again.' 1116 01:02:04,158 --> 01:02:05,625 Oh! 1117 01:02:05,627 --> 01:02:07,060 You've got to get him to free run. 1118 01:02:07,062 --> 01:02:08,728 What? 1119 01:02:08,730 --> 01:02:10,850 Get him over there when he's hyping up for it. 1120 01:02:17,939 --> 01:02:19,105 Yes! 1121 01:02:21,842 --> 01:02:23,443 - Oh! - Yeah! 1122 01:02:25,413 --> 01:02:27,047 He almost made it. 1123 01:02:27,049 --> 01:02:30,650 He was way high, way high in the air 1124 01:02:30,652 --> 01:02:33,186 and almost making them. 1125 01:02:33,188 --> 01:02:36,189 It was like a legit 900. 1126 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,127 He heard that everyone at Transworld, 1127 01:02:41,129 --> 01:02:43,930 Hawk and everyone was gonna look at his sequences. 1128 01:02:43,932 --> 01:02:46,800 The Hawkman, everyone went and studied his work. 1129 01:02:46,802 --> 01:02:49,903 I was just about there and I was thinking it was on. 1130 01:02:49,905 --> 01:02:52,539 Then I was thinking, 'I'll do it at the '99 X Games.' 1131 01:02:55,376 --> 01:02:59,613 From Melbourne, Australia, it's Tas Pappas 1132 01:02:59,615 --> 01:03:02,482 and just from watching him in practice, 1133 01:03:02,484 --> 01:03:05,418 after being gone from pro skating for a little while, 1134 01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:07,087 the man is on a mission. 1135 01:03:07,089 --> 01:03:10,824 This guy has been going off all day today 1136 01:03:10,826 --> 01:03:12,626 and all day yesterday in practice. 1137 01:03:12,628 --> 01:03:14,427 He's on fire. 1138 01:03:14,429 --> 01:03:17,030 Has got so much confidence going on right now. 1139 01:03:17,032 --> 01:03:18,865 I want to see the 900. 1140 01:03:18,867 --> 01:03:21,034 Phenomenal. I think he's gonna save that 1141 01:03:21,036 --> 01:03:24,638 maybe for the best trick contest if he's in it. 1142 01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,973 Tas and Bill were just super psyched 1143 01:03:26,975 --> 01:03:29,876 because there was a best trick contest. 1144 01:03:29,878 --> 01:03:34,481 But for some reason, they didn't let Tas skate. 1145 01:03:34,483 --> 01:03:36,416 I've done the comp, this and that. 1146 01:03:36,418 --> 01:03:38,685 I've been doing all right and Don Bostick's like, 1147 01:03:38,687 --> 01:03:40,854 'You're not in the best trick comp this year.' 1148 01:03:40,856 --> 01:03:42,222 I'm like, 'What do you mean? 1149 01:03:42,224 --> 01:03:44,958 I've been in every best trick comp all year 1150 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,493 for the last few years. 1151 01:03:46,495 --> 01:03:48,528 Why just out of nowhere just this one?' 1152 01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:52,766 They said, 'You're not in it.' I said, 'Well, who is in it?' 1153 01:03:52,768 --> 01:03:54,734 Tony Hawk, Tony Hawk. 1154 01:04:01,909 --> 01:04:03,810 It's the 900. 1155 01:04:03,812 --> 01:04:05,653 You guys wanted to see it done? 1156 01:04:06,781 --> 01:04:09,049 Then the best trick comp started 1157 01:04:09,051 --> 01:04:10,984 and I saw Hawk start trying nines. 1158 01:04:10,986 --> 01:04:14,854 And I was just like, 'No way.' 1159 01:04:22,096 --> 01:04:24,197 Tas was devastated. 1160 01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:26,066 Because that was it - 1161 01:04:26,068 --> 01:04:28,768 if he would have entered that contest he would have did it 1162 01:04:28,770 --> 01:04:30,690 because he's that kind of skater. 1163 01:04:34,109 --> 01:04:35,842 Everybody picture it. Here we go. 1164 01:04:35,844 --> 01:04:37,977 I thought, 'What a weasel manoeuvre. 1165 01:04:37,979 --> 01:04:39,679 At least give me a chance.' 1166 01:04:39,681 --> 01:04:41,548 He probably would have beaten me to it, 1167 01:04:41,550 --> 01:04:43,850 but at least I could have had a shot for shot for it, 1168 01:04:43,852 --> 01:04:45,151 you know what I mean? 1169 01:04:57,631 --> 01:04:59,666 When Tony Hawk did the 900, 1170 01:04:59,668 --> 01:05:01,634 I was there, I witnessed it. 1171 01:05:01,636 --> 01:05:04,537 I didn't think it was all that impressive 1172 01:05:04,539 --> 01:05:07,474 compared to what I saw Tas doing. 1173 01:05:07,476 --> 01:05:09,175 I know he would've at least tried it. 1174 01:05:09,177 --> 01:05:11,878 Don't know if he'd have nailed it, but he'd have tried it. 1175 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,514 It would have made Tony Hawk's 900 less impressive. 1176 01:05:14,516 --> 01:05:17,417 If it weren't for you people I'd have never made that. 1177 01:05:17,419 --> 01:05:20,019 Thank you. This is the best day of my life. 1178 01:05:20,021 --> 01:05:21,521 I swear to God. 1179 01:05:31,799 --> 01:05:37,871 I realised right then and there who I was up against. 1180 01:05:37,873 --> 01:05:39,806 It didn't matter how good I was 1181 01:05:39,808 --> 01:05:41,808 or how close I was getting to something, 1182 01:05:41,810 --> 01:05:44,944 it was just, 'Stuff you. Piss off home, Aussie.' 1183 01:05:54,889 --> 01:05:56,623 Ahh! 1184 01:05:59,693 --> 01:06:02,128 Leave it there, you cunts. 1185 01:06:02,130 --> 01:06:06,733 I hadn't seen Ben for two years after he got busted. 1186 01:06:06,735 --> 01:06:09,502 He just disappeared again. 1187 01:06:09,504 --> 01:06:12,939 But then I saw him in the city just off chance, 1188 01:06:12,941 --> 01:06:15,608 and he was completely a different person - 1189 01:06:15,610 --> 01:06:18,678 stacked on the kilos, just mega overweight. 1190 01:06:22,383 --> 01:06:25,785 You filming again? 1191 01:06:25,787 --> 01:06:28,888 He was just doing a lot of drugs and playing music. 1192 01:06:28,890 --> 01:06:31,024 He totally did not skate. 1193 01:06:31,026 --> 01:06:33,726 He reckons he didn't skate for about a year, year and a half 1194 01:06:33,728 --> 01:06:35,628 and was totally removed from it. 1195 01:06:35,630 --> 01:06:38,598 He was really unhappy and really down on himself. 1196 01:06:44,638 --> 01:06:47,674 It's easy to get sucked into doing drugs, 1197 01:06:47,676 --> 01:06:49,409 partying and shit like that, 1198 01:06:49,411 --> 01:06:52,745 but in the end it brings you nothing but bullshit. 1199 01:06:52,747 --> 01:06:56,649 Basically it taught me that you reap what you sow. 1200 01:06:56,651 --> 01:06:58,117 If you do good things, 1201 01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:00,720 good things are gonna happen to you. 1202 01:07:00,722 --> 01:07:02,088 Pretty much karma. 1203 01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:09,829 Was on antidepressants. He would get depressed. 1204 01:07:09,831 --> 01:07:12,999 He gained a lot of weight. 1205 01:07:13,001 --> 01:07:16,936 At the time I had put on the kilos as well. 1206 01:07:16,938 --> 01:07:20,840 I was on some antidepressants myself. 1207 01:07:20,842 --> 01:07:25,111 Everyone used to see us and see two fat people, 1208 01:07:25,113 --> 01:07:27,847 and we were trying to skate the new Globe ramp. 1209 01:07:29,416 --> 01:07:30,717 Hey, Dom. 1210 01:07:32,953 --> 01:07:35,154 Has it stopped raining? Yeah? 1211 01:07:40,594 --> 01:07:43,129 At that time, I kind of felt 1212 01:07:43,131 --> 01:07:45,532 that I had caught up with a good friend again. 1213 01:07:45,534 --> 01:07:47,567 He needed somewhere to stay 1214 01:07:47,569 --> 01:07:49,335 so I said, 'Yeah, you're in.' 1215 01:07:49,337 --> 01:07:52,372 And having him around was good. 1216 01:07:52,374 --> 01:07:54,741 All right, this is it. 1217 01:07:54,743 --> 01:07:55,975 Make this one! 1218 01:08:00,414 --> 01:08:02,682 Whoa! 1219 01:08:02,684 --> 01:08:05,451 So, Dommy, tell us the vibe. 1220 01:08:05,453 --> 01:08:08,521 Not looking too bad. We're just gonna go to the ramp now 1221 01:08:08,523 --> 01:08:10,423 and see if it's all right to skate. 1222 01:08:10,425 --> 01:08:13,026 Maybe throw down a few tricks. 1223 01:08:13,028 --> 01:08:14,661 Yeah, mate. 1224 01:08:14,663 --> 01:08:15,862 Top one. 1225 01:08:18,032 --> 01:08:21,034 Fuck off with your camera. 1226 01:08:21,036 --> 01:08:22,368 Yeah! 1227 01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:24,037 So here we are... 1228 01:08:24,039 --> 01:08:27,373 We skated together all the time, just hanging out, 1229 01:08:27,375 --> 01:08:29,409 going out to bars and stuff, 1230 01:08:29,411 --> 01:08:31,578 having a good time and skating a lot. 1231 01:08:31,580 --> 01:08:35,548 He was basically coming back to who he was, 1232 01:08:35,550 --> 01:08:38,785 because he'd been on that sort of arrogant high thing. 1233 01:08:38,787 --> 01:08:42,522 He realised 'That's not who I am.' Went back to being Ben. 1234 01:08:42,524 --> 01:08:44,691 She's got sideburns. Fucking hell. 1235 01:08:48,062 --> 01:08:50,496 Professional skateboarder Tony Hawk 1236 01:08:50,498 --> 01:08:52,765 is known worldwide as an innovator of the sport. 1237 01:08:52,767 --> 01:08:55,535 I'd met this young chick, Colleen. 1238 01:08:55,537 --> 01:08:58,304 She was a friend of the family and we hit it off. 1239 01:09:02,076 --> 01:09:05,511 She was responsible and didn't party - 1240 01:09:05,513 --> 01:09:07,480 all the traits that I wanted. 1241 01:09:07,482 --> 01:09:11,417 I had my drug problems, and I kept that hidden from her, 1242 01:09:11,419 --> 01:09:14,754 but she inspired me to really get my act together. 1243 01:09:14,756 --> 01:09:17,890 Within a year, she was pregnant and we had Kaia. 1244 01:09:20,828 --> 01:09:23,663 Once I had Kaia, it just made me start to think, 1245 01:09:23,665 --> 01:09:25,131 'Right, time to get serious.' 1246 01:09:26,834 --> 01:09:28,668 I had sort of grown up a bit, 1247 01:09:28,670 --> 01:09:30,937 and once you've had a kid, you start to realise, 1248 01:09:30,939 --> 01:09:32,538 'Hang on a second here. 1249 01:09:32,540 --> 01:09:36,175 I'll do whatever it takes to feed my kid.' 1250 01:09:36,177 --> 01:09:38,811 Ramp it up, ramp it up, ramp it up. 1251 01:09:38,813 --> 01:09:40,380 The vert doubles final 1252 01:09:40,382 --> 01:09:42,815 at the First Union Centre's out of control, 1253 01:09:42,817 --> 01:09:44,917 crowd peaking for Bob and Bucky, 1254 01:09:44,919 --> 01:09:47,854 giving Tony and Andy a run for their money. 1255 01:09:47,856 --> 01:09:50,957 By then the mainstream scene that had blacklisted me 1256 01:09:50,959 --> 01:09:52,592 had changed completely. 1257 01:09:52,594 --> 01:09:56,596 It had fully turned into show business. 1258 01:09:56,598 --> 01:10:00,867 Of course, ESPN and the X Games ran the whole show. 1259 01:10:00,869 --> 01:10:03,736 Oh, the crowd loves that one. 1260 01:10:03,738 --> 01:10:06,572 They're show-stoppers, this team Boom Boom. 1261 01:10:06,574 --> 01:10:09,575 And I thought it was bad in the '90s. 1262 01:10:09,577 --> 01:10:11,210 Erin Hawk. 1263 01:10:11,212 --> 01:10:13,012 Those guys won. 1264 01:10:13,014 --> 01:10:16,649 You win. 1265 01:10:16,651 --> 01:10:19,052 Even Danny was getting in on it, 1266 01:10:19,054 --> 01:10:21,721 jumping the great wall of China on his mega ramp. 1267 01:10:24,958 --> 01:10:27,126 And it didn't take long for the X Games 1268 01:10:27,128 --> 01:10:29,095 to cotton on to that one either. 1269 01:10:29,097 --> 01:10:32,465 Of course they said it was a way to attract 1270 01:10:32,467 --> 01:10:34,233 a new generation to skateboarding. 1271 01:10:34,235 --> 01:10:36,469 To me it just looks like it's only something 1272 01:10:36,471 --> 01:10:37,770 the privileged can do. 1273 01:10:39,073 --> 01:10:40,973 You know what sucks? 1274 01:10:40,975 --> 01:10:43,443 It's that whole X Games shit. 1275 01:10:43,445 --> 01:10:45,478 When I found out how much money 1276 01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,013 those assholes were fucking... 1277 01:10:47,015 --> 01:10:50,483 ..assholes... the X Games were making. 1278 01:10:50,485 --> 01:10:52,118 Take a fucking shit. 1279 01:10:53,554 --> 01:10:56,189 You guys fucking can fuck off. 1280 01:10:56,191 --> 01:10:59,559 How much they fucking scoop off of fucking skateboarding? 1281 01:10:59,561 --> 01:11:00,727 Suck it. 1282 01:11:05,632 --> 01:11:08,568 But even though I was shut out by the scene, 1283 01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:10,436 by the two main vert camps, 1284 01:11:10,438 --> 01:11:12,739 I found a way to support my family through skateboarding. 1285 01:11:12,741 --> 01:11:15,041 Tas Pappas set up for the 180... 1286 01:11:18,780 --> 01:11:22,682 All the pros were doing X Games, 1287 01:11:22,684 --> 01:11:25,518 but then I heard that there was another comp circuit, 1288 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,154 you get paid 250 a day for a half-an-hour demo. 1289 01:11:28,156 --> 01:11:30,590 You're gone for a couple of weeks out of the month. 1290 01:11:30,592 --> 01:11:33,059 So I started thinking, 'Right, I'll pull my head in, 1291 01:11:33,061 --> 01:11:34,694 I won't be a prick any more.' 1292 01:11:34,696 --> 01:11:36,596 Stuck to myself and skated. 1293 01:11:41,068 --> 01:11:43,903 Tas Pappas, you'd better recognise. 1294 01:11:43,905 --> 01:11:46,773 This guy will put you in a headlock if you don't shut up. 1295 01:11:46,775 --> 01:11:48,535 - Yeah, like this! - Argh! 1296 01:11:54,882 --> 01:11:56,215 What? 1297 01:11:57,885 --> 01:12:00,653 Ben liked to keep everything to himself. 1298 01:12:00,655 --> 01:12:04,090 He met this girl, Lynette, and he started seeing her, 1299 01:12:04,092 --> 01:12:05,933 and he didn't tell me anything. 1300 01:12:08,162 --> 01:12:10,029 It was odd actually. 1301 01:12:10,031 --> 01:12:13,699 He was never honest in saying, 'This is who I'm seeing.' 1302 01:12:13,701 --> 01:12:15,701 She just used to rock up at the ramp. 1303 01:12:15,703 --> 01:12:18,171 There was just this little small flesh-and-bone... 1304 01:12:18,173 --> 01:12:22,408 She was really skinny. She never said a word to me. 1305 01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:24,677 One time we went to a pub 1306 01:12:24,679 --> 01:12:26,445 around the corner from Prahran, 1307 01:12:26,447 --> 01:12:29,182 and she just popped up and just sat down next to him. 1308 01:12:29,184 --> 01:12:31,450 I was like, 'Whoa, this is really bizarre.' 1309 01:12:31,452 --> 01:12:34,787 That's the first time I knew they had a sort of connection. 1310 01:12:34,789 --> 01:12:37,056 He was actually really embarrassed by it. 1311 01:12:37,058 --> 01:12:41,093 You could tell - he was like, 'Fuck.' Two sides to his life. 1312 01:12:41,095 --> 01:12:43,663 Just a really weird situation. 1313 01:12:43,665 --> 01:12:47,099 But every time I saw them hanging out 1314 01:12:47,101 --> 01:12:49,001 or knew they were hanging out, 1315 01:12:49,003 --> 01:12:51,083 he looked like he had taken a lot of drugs. 1316 01:12:55,409 --> 01:12:58,778 It was obvious that Ben and Lynette's relationship 1317 01:12:58,780 --> 01:13:00,680 was revolved around drugs. 1318 01:13:00,682 --> 01:13:04,217 I could see he'd been using it because he was down and gaunt. 1319 01:13:05,919 --> 01:13:08,054 I knew he was on the Xanax, 1320 01:13:08,056 --> 01:13:11,657 but he didn't admit that he was using heroin to me. 1321 01:13:18,532 --> 01:13:19,999 I didn't even see him around 1322 01:13:20,001 --> 01:13:21,868 for two or three months or something. 1323 01:13:21,870 --> 01:13:25,805 He had taken everything from my house at this stage. 1324 01:13:25,807 --> 01:13:30,676 I don't know who he was staying with. 1325 01:13:30,678 --> 01:13:33,512 I didn't think he was going to get into bloody heroin. 1326 01:13:33,514 --> 01:13:35,882 It broke my heart when I heard he got into heroin, 1327 01:13:35,884 --> 01:13:37,683 I just couldn't bloody believe it. 1328 01:13:37,685 --> 01:13:39,986 I went home one trip. 1329 01:13:39,988 --> 01:13:42,021 It was this Globe comp. 1330 01:13:42,023 --> 01:13:46,525 He comes with Lynette and they were both off their face. 1331 01:13:46,527 --> 01:13:48,094 Pinpricked eyes, 1332 01:13:48,096 --> 01:13:50,529 just full smacked out, just had a shot each. 1333 01:13:52,699 --> 01:13:57,136 I realised then that she was a junky, Ben was a junky. 1334 01:13:57,138 --> 01:13:59,639 So I went off. I was being mean. 1335 01:13:59,641 --> 01:14:01,741 I'm like, 'You, get the fuck out of here. 1336 01:14:01,743 --> 01:14:04,143 Stay the fuck away from my brother, all right?' 1337 01:14:04,145 --> 01:14:08,014 We got into a bit of a fight, so I left. 1338 01:14:08,016 --> 01:14:10,549 What am I supposed to do? 1339 01:14:10,551 --> 01:14:14,887 He's 25 years old, I'm 27, 28, with a kid. 1340 01:14:14,889 --> 01:14:17,089 He was under the impression 1341 01:14:17,091 --> 01:14:19,091 I was having this great time in America 1342 01:14:19,093 --> 01:14:22,628 and I'm like, 'Ben, mate, you think I'm having fun?' 1343 01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:25,998 Tas Pappas comes into this event injured. 1344 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,434 He's got some back... 1345 01:14:28,436 --> 01:14:30,069 I had to be top ten at every comp. 1346 01:14:30,071 --> 01:14:34,407 That's how I was living, trying to support my family. 1347 01:14:34,409 --> 01:14:37,743 Shortly after that, Aydin was born. 1348 01:14:37,745 --> 01:14:41,047 And then the pressure was on. The pressure was on hard. 1349 01:14:41,049 --> 01:14:45,651 Being away all the time and not seeing my kids, 1350 01:14:45,653 --> 01:14:47,687 we'd fight a lot while I was gone. 1351 01:14:47,689 --> 01:14:49,121 She'd be angry I'd be gone, 1352 01:14:49,123 --> 01:14:51,243 it just strained the relationship hardcore. 1353 01:14:55,162 --> 01:14:58,698 When I'd get injured I'd start sniffing a bit of ice, 1354 01:14:58,700 --> 01:15:02,068 purely to be able to stay in the comp to make the money, 1355 01:15:02,070 --> 01:15:04,136 and it would numb your body, the speed. 1356 01:15:04,138 --> 01:15:07,039 And it worked, but the problem was, 1357 01:15:07,041 --> 01:15:10,376 after the comp, you're already on speed so you're figuring, 1358 01:15:10,378 --> 01:15:11,978 'Who cares? I'm already off my face. 1359 01:15:11,980 --> 01:15:13,879 Let's just charge the rest of that gram 1360 01:15:13,881 --> 01:15:17,717 and get another eight-ball and then we'll just go for days.' 1361 01:15:17,719 --> 01:15:19,919 And then boom, I'm back on drugs. 1362 01:15:19,921 --> 01:15:22,121 Smoking ice, smoking crack. 1363 01:15:22,123 --> 01:15:27,460 Then I hit psychosis mode bad and I just lost the plot. 1364 01:15:27,462 --> 01:15:31,430 It was weird, it was like me and Ben lived parallel lives. 1365 01:15:31,432 --> 01:15:33,132 Whenever he fucked up, I fucked up. 1366 01:15:33,134 --> 01:15:35,401 It was like we were twins. 1367 01:15:37,604 --> 01:15:39,739 Do you reckon we should make this one, Gregsy? 1368 01:15:39,741 --> 01:15:41,674 - Yeah. Now. - Yeah. 1369 01:15:41,676 --> 01:15:44,543 We can do it for another two hours if you want. 1370 01:15:44,545 --> 01:15:45,845 - Now? - Yeah. 1371 01:15:45,847 --> 01:15:48,114 Ben looked terrible. 1372 01:15:48,116 --> 01:15:50,816 He was going down to Prahran fully on drugs. 1373 01:15:55,055 --> 01:15:58,591 He used to have this bottle of Xanax - when we were filming, 1374 01:15:58,593 --> 01:16:01,761 he used to pop two Xanax before the skate, 1375 01:16:01,763 --> 01:16:03,803 and I was like, 'Are you off your head?' 1376 01:16:10,971 --> 01:16:13,139 He was really upset. 1377 01:16:13,141 --> 01:16:15,975 He was trying to get out of that routine. 1378 01:16:15,977 --> 01:16:18,511 You could tell he was trying to get away from that. 1379 01:16:18,513 --> 01:16:21,180 He knew in his heart that that wasn't the right thing to do, 1380 01:16:21,182 --> 01:16:23,049 do drugs with her. 1381 01:16:23,051 --> 01:16:26,719 He'd just say, 'I've just got to get away from her. 1382 01:16:26,721 --> 01:16:28,487 She's not good for me.' 1383 01:16:28,489 --> 01:16:31,190 But I think he didn't know where to go at that point. 1384 01:16:32,893 --> 01:16:35,628 What's up? Not today. 1385 01:16:47,774 --> 01:16:51,444 I went to jail two months, 1386 01:16:51,446 --> 01:16:54,747 I went on a mad ice and crack bender. 1387 01:16:54,749 --> 01:16:58,784 I came home and tripped out, got in a fight with Colleen, 1388 01:16:58,786 --> 01:17:01,921 did a silly thing, slapped her and hit her. 1389 01:17:01,923 --> 01:17:04,356 I was off my face, I couldn't remember. 1390 01:17:04,358 --> 01:17:07,626 I was ashamed of myself too because I've got a daughter 1391 01:17:07,628 --> 01:17:10,029 and if anyone did that to her, I'd want to kill 'em. 1392 01:17:10,031 --> 01:17:12,465 It's something that's been hard for me to admit, 1393 01:17:12,467 --> 01:17:14,033 and people look at it, like, weak, 1394 01:17:14,035 --> 01:17:15,868 'You hit a chick, ' and this and that. 1395 01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:19,371 I don't know. I am ashamed of myself for that. 1396 01:17:19,373 --> 01:17:22,708 They had me in the mental pod 1397 01:17:22,710 --> 01:17:24,810 'cause I was fried on the drugs, 1398 01:17:24,812 --> 01:17:28,447 and then Homeland Security came to me when I was in jail. 1399 01:17:28,449 --> 01:17:29,982 They said, 'You're going home.' 1400 01:17:29,984 --> 01:17:32,118 I was like, 'What do you mean I'm going home?' 1401 01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,387 They said 'You're going home. You're getting deported.' 1402 01:17:35,389 --> 01:17:37,389 I stayed in jail from that point on. 1403 01:17:40,894 --> 01:17:43,195 I just couldn't believe what was going on. 1404 01:17:43,197 --> 01:17:44,864 I was losing my family. 1405 01:17:44,866 --> 01:17:48,367 My whole goal was to never lose my kids. 1406 01:17:48,369 --> 01:17:51,637 And then boom, it was just shit. 1407 01:18:05,585 --> 01:18:07,820 Me and Greg went to the ramp at Prahran, 1408 01:18:07,822 --> 01:18:09,455 met up with Ben. 1409 01:18:09,457 --> 01:18:12,591 I hadn't seen him in a while. 1410 01:18:12,593 --> 01:18:16,896 It was the first time I'd seen him so gaunt and just down. 1411 01:18:16,898 --> 01:18:20,499 Didn't want to skate, didn't want to talk to anyone. 1412 01:18:20,501 --> 01:18:23,369 I thought his brother is in jail, 1413 01:18:23,371 --> 01:18:26,272 his brother can't come over to Australia to visit him. 1414 01:18:28,475 --> 01:18:30,376 He was acting really weird 1415 01:18:30,378 --> 01:18:33,679 and completely like he just did not care about anything. 1416 01:18:33,681 --> 01:18:36,048 I remember I said, 'Where is your board, man?' 1417 01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:41,086 And he said to me, 'I won't be needing my board any more.' 1418 01:18:41,088 --> 01:18:43,889 Ben said, 'Dom, I need somewhere to stay. 1419 01:18:43,891 --> 01:18:46,659 Can I stay at your house for a few days or something?' 1420 01:18:46,661 --> 01:18:49,995 Because he was such a good friend, I couldn't refuse. 1421 01:18:55,402 --> 01:18:58,671 Ben wasn't talking. He was just really down. 1422 01:18:58,673 --> 01:19:00,873 I was trying to ask him what's on his mind. 1423 01:19:00,875 --> 01:19:03,676 He started crying and said 1424 01:19:03,678 --> 01:19:08,514 he couldn't remember anything, like, what happened. 1425 01:19:08,516 --> 01:19:10,516 I said, 'What do you mean what happened?' 1426 01:19:10,518 --> 01:19:15,087 He said he remembered waking up on a bench in the city 1427 01:19:15,089 --> 01:19:17,156 a few days before 1428 01:19:17,158 --> 01:19:19,319 and dropping some Xanax or something like that. 1429 01:19:20,527 --> 01:19:23,829 And then I saw a newsflash. 1430 01:19:23,831 --> 01:19:26,599 The body of a woman was found 1431 01:19:26,601 --> 01:19:29,168 wrapped in material at Dights Falls yesterday. 1432 01:19:29,170 --> 01:19:32,471 Police believe the woman is 27-year-old Lynette Phillips. 1433 01:19:34,874 --> 01:19:38,677 The body has been wrapped in material, 1434 01:19:38,679 --> 01:19:41,814 and there's a backpack apparently with weights in it, 1435 01:19:41,816 --> 01:19:43,616 then over the material and the body. 1436 01:19:43,618 --> 01:19:45,718 Results of an autopsy 1437 01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,680 expected to be known later tonight. 1438 01:19:49,389 --> 01:19:51,757 I thought, 'Shit, don't tell me 1439 01:19:51,759 --> 01:19:54,426 he's gone and done something stupid.' 1440 01:19:54,428 --> 01:19:58,864 Just felt surreal. Couldn't believe it was happening. 1441 01:19:58,866 --> 01:20:02,801 I said, 'Did you see the news? Lynette's been found dead.' 1442 01:20:02,803 --> 01:20:04,937 He said, 'Shut up. Don't tell me any more.' 1443 01:20:04,939 --> 01:20:07,539 And he left. 1444 01:20:09,843 --> 01:20:11,710 It was out of this world really. 1445 01:20:11,712 --> 01:20:14,546 You thought he was down and out, but you never thought 1446 01:20:14,548 --> 01:20:16,815 that one of your good friends could do that. 1447 01:20:18,985 --> 01:20:21,587 I didn't want to believe it, you know. 1448 01:20:21,589 --> 01:20:24,423 The Feds came around to my house, 1449 01:20:24,425 --> 01:20:26,725 they started asking questions about Ben - 1450 01:20:26,727 --> 01:20:28,727 when was the last time I saw him? 1451 01:20:28,729 --> 01:20:30,763 They said, 'Can you come back to the station 1452 01:20:30,765 --> 01:20:32,564 and answer some questions?' 1453 01:20:32,566 --> 01:20:36,568 They said, 'Now we're going to give you some pictures 1454 01:20:36,570 --> 01:20:42,241 if you can identify if this is yours.' 1455 01:20:42,243 --> 01:20:45,644 They gave me a picture of a backpack and I said, 1456 01:20:45,646 --> 01:20:49,782 'Yeah, that's mine. I gave it to Ben maybe six months ago.' 1457 01:20:49,784 --> 01:20:53,185 They told me she was weighed down with that, 1458 01:20:53,187 --> 01:20:56,388 so I was like, 'Shit.' 1459 01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:58,123 They showed me another picture, 1460 01:20:58,125 --> 01:21:01,160 my doona cover, saying that's what she was wrapped up in. 1461 01:21:01,162 --> 01:21:03,696 I started just bawling. 1462 01:21:03,698 --> 01:21:05,497 Like, seriously didn't believe it. 1463 01:21:05,499 --> 01:21:07,599 Just thought, 'No fucking way.' 1464 01:21:07,601 --> 01:21:11,603 I had the impression, 'Ben, gosh, what are you doing?' 1465 01:21:15,175 --> 01:21:17,843 Police say one of the world's most talented 1466 01:21:17,845 --> 01:21:20,713 skateboarders, Ben Pappas, is a person of interest 1467 01:21:20,715 --> 01:21:22,514 in the murder of Lynette Phillips, 1468 01:21:22,516 --> 01:21:24,450 a recovering long-term drug addict 1469 01:21:24,452 --> 01:21:26,518 who was studying to become a counsellor., 1470 01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,121 her battered body found wrapped in a blue cover. 1471 01:21:35,028 --> 01:21:38,530 After a week, no-one could find Ben. 1472 01:21:38,532 --> 01:21:41,100 So everyone was concerned for his life, you know? 1473 01:21:41,102 --> 01:21:44,236 And then I saw a newsflash. 1474 01:21:44,238 --> 01:21:47,706 The body was found in waters off Victoria Pier 1475 01:21:47,708 --> 01:21:49,942 around 7:30 last night. 1476 01:21:49,944 --> 01:21:51,543 Divers were sent in 1477 01:21:51,545 --> 01:21:53,412 after a wallet was found at the scene. 1478 01:21:53,414 --> 01:21:55,414 The dead man is believed to be former 1479 01:21:55,416 --> 01:21:58,050 world skateboarding champion Ben Pappas. 1480 01:21:58,052 --> 01:22:01,687 An autopsy is being carried out to confirm his identity. 1481 01:22:01,689 --> 01:22:04,456 Pappas was the main suspect in the murder of... 1482 01:22:04,458 --> 01:22:07,126 Everyone was so blown away, 1483 01:22:07,128 --> 01:22:09,728 just blown away and devastated about what had happened. 1484 01:22:11,664 --> 01:22:14,233 Didn't even think about Tas, no. 1485 01:22:17,537 --> 01:22:19,705 I was calling Colleen one day. 1486 01:22:19,707 --> 01:22:21,640 She just wasn't answering the phone. 1487 01:22:21,642 --> 01:22:23,208 I'm getting bloody paranoid. 1488 01:22:23,210 --> 01:22:24,910 So then I called my dad. 1489 01:22:24,912 --> 01:22:29,481 He goes, 'Tas, I need you to be strong for me.' 1490 01:22:29,483 --> 01:22:33,919 'What are you talking about, Dad, be strong for you?' 1491 01:22:33,921 --> 01:22:36,355 He goes, 'Tas, I need you to be strong for me.' 1492 01:22:40,193 --> 01:22:42,094 I go, 'What are you talking about, Dad? 1493 01:22:42,096 --> 01:22:44,563 What the fuck is Colleen doing? Where are my kids?' 1494 01:22:44,565 --> 01:22:47,566 He goes, 'Tas, I need you to be strong for me.' 1495 01:22:47,568 --> 01:22:50,569 I said, 'What are you talking about, Dad?' 1496 01:22:50,571 --> 01:22:52,337 He goes, 'Ben has drowned.' 1497 01:22:55,809 --> 01:22:58,610 'What do you mean Ben's drowned?' 1498 01:22:58,612 --> 01:23:01,880 'Ben's drowned.' 1499 01:23:01,882 --> 01:23:04,483 I've gone, 'Fuck off, he's drowned. 1500 01:23:04,485 --> 01:23:06,952 He can swim. We used to surf in massive surf. 1501 01:23:06,954 --> 01:23:09,621 He didn't fucking drown. What are you talking about?' 1502 01:23:09,623 --> 01:23:11,623 He goes, 'Ben's dead.' 1503 01:23:19,432 --> 01:23:22,100 I just remember being in the day room 1504 01:23:22,102 --> 01:23:24,937 and I've just gone, 'Fuck!' 1505 01:23:24,939 --> 01:23:29,441 I just remember just fucking storming the room in circles, 1506 01:23:29,443 --> 01:23:31,877 just fucking pissed, hoping some cunt would kill me. 1507 01:23:50,663 --> 01:23:52,931 I just felt fucking so bad. 1508 01:23:52,933 --> 01:23:55,167 Thinking about his brother, 1509 01:23:55,169 --> 01:23:58,537 thinking of how sad his dad must have been, 1510 01:23:58,539 --> 01:24:00,005 let alone the whole family 1511 01:24:00,007 --> 01:24:02,541 and then Tas being in jail during all this. 1512 01:24:05,945 --> 01:24:08,146 I remember talking to him and saying, 1513 01:24:08,148 --> 01:24:10,449 'Man, fuck, all your friends love you. 1514 01:24:10,451 --> 01:24:12,651 I know that you're in a lot of pain, man, 1515 01:24:12,653 --> 01:24:16,488 but, fuck, you've got a lot going for you right now. 1516 01:24:16,490 --> 01:24:18,524 It doesn't seem like you do, but you do.' 1517 01:24:18,526 --> 01:24:22,661 And I just remember he was fucking pissed, man. 1518 01:24:22,663 --> 01:24:23,996 He didn't sound good. 1519 01:24:26,699 --> 01:24:31,737 Honestly, deep down, I felt like I failed him. 1520 01:24:31,739 --> 01:24:35,641 I was so shattered my brother is dead... 1521 01:24:35,643 --> 01:24:38,043 ..and I was so fucking pissed off. 1522 01:24:44,584 --> 01:24:47,653 Tas got deported and he came back here. 1523 01:24:47,655 --> 01:24:51,023 In his mind, his relationship at the end with Ben 1524 01:24:51,025 --> 01:24:53,592 wasn't what it should have been. 1525 01:24:53,594 --> 01:24:56,161 There was a lot of stuff that wasn't resolved. 1526 01:24:56,163 --> 01:24:57,896 He was really in a bad way. 1527 01:24:57,898 --> 01:25:00,365 He actually looked like he was suicidal. 1528 01:25:05,138 --> 01:25:06,572 Go. 1529 01:25:07,807 --> 01:25:09,041 Four. 1530 01:25:13,413 --> 01:25:15,213 What are you, Colleen? 1531 01:25:29,996 --> 01:25:32,931 He was completely out of his mind. 1532 01:25:32,933 --> 01:25:35,801 This is crazy, just crazy out there. 1533 01:25:35,803 --> 01:25:39,338 He was just a mess, he was just taking it really hard. 1534 01:25:41,074 --> 01:25:42,374 That's for you, you cunt. 1535 01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:46,078 He was in bad shape. 1536 01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,547 He said to me, 'I can't believe this is happening.' 1537 01:25:48,549 --> 01:25:52,017 It's gonna be really hard for him to continue on life. 1538 01:25:55,755 --> 01:25:58,457 My whole world fell apart at once. 1539 01:25:58,459 --> 01:26:01,793 I lost my kids, got deported, 1540 01:26:01,795 --> 01:26:03,629 came home to a dead brother. 1541 01:26:06,733 --> 01:26:09,601 I just thought, 'I deserve to suffer. I hope I die. 1542 01:26:09,603 --> 01:26:12,404 And maybe I'll do something like the way Ben did. ' 1543 01:26:14,540 --> 01:26:17,376 So I got on the same drugs as him - 1544 01:26:17,378 --> 01:26:21,546 methadone, Xanax, ice, hammer. 1545 01:26:23,116 --> 01:26:25,050 People were saying to me, 1546 01:26:25,052 --> 01:26:27,586 'Fuck, Tas is just a complete write-off.' 1547 01:26:27,588 --> 01:26:31,123 And then his dad passes away. 1548 01:26:31,125 --> 01:26:32,858 Dad died of a heart attack. 1549 01:26:32,860 --> 01:26:36,395 He was stuck in America. He was just broken. 1550 01:26:37,964 --> 01:26:40,499 I just had enough. 1551 01:26:40,501 --> 01:26:44,870 The start of the real end was when Ben got busted. 1552 01:26:44,872 --> 01:26:46,738 That was the end for everyone. 1553 01:26:46,740 --> 01:26:49,474 I just thought I deserved the misery Ben got 1554 01:26:49,476 --> 01:26:51,109 because I wasn't there for him- 1555 01:26:51,111 --> 01:26:54,513 because he died, and I just wanted to die. 1556 01:26:54,515 --> 01:26:58,016 Then I thought, 'I'm a piece of fucking shit anyway. 1557 01:26:58,018 --> 01:26:59,418 Who gives a fuck?' 1558 01:27:19,105 --> 01:27:23,709 Next minute, I'm in Argentina with ten grand Australian, 1559 01:27:23,711 --> 01:27:27,112 a few skateboards, a bunch of grip tape, glue 1560 01:27:27,114 --> 01:27:28,880 and a cheese grater. 1561 01:27:32,485 --> 01:27:34,786 I don't even know what I was thinking, 1562 01:27:34,788 --> 01:27:36,588 but I just came up with the plan. 1563 01:27:36,590 --> 01:27:40,158 Went straight up to the taxi rank, met this cab driver, 1564 01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,328 I told him the deal and he was like, 'OK, you wait for me.' 1565 01:27:46,799 --> 01:27:49,901 Then we get driven into some weird little ghetto thing. 1566 01:27:49,903 --> 01:27:52,637 Next thing you know I get given a little bag 1567 01:27:52,639 --> 01:27:54,005 and it's got two discs in it 1568 01:27:54,007 --> 01:27:56,341 with a scorpion pressed in the back of it. 1569 01:27:56,343 --> 01:27:58,643 That's it. Fine. 500g each disc. 1570 01:28:03,382 --> 01:28:05,517 I've gone back to the hotel 1571 01:28:05,519 --> 01:28:07,385 and I've started grinding away. 1572 01:28:10,857 --> 01:28:13,625 I was creeping around the room, 1573 01:28:13,627 --> 01:28:16,428 and I knew that I had got the answer 1574 01:28:16,430 --> 01:28:18,430 that's going to fix everything. 1575 01:28:18,432 --> 01:28:23,902 O spirit brother, my turn. This is for you. 1576 01:28:23,904 --> 01:28:28,440 I'm there for four days, I packed everything up, 1577 01:28:28,442 --> 01:28:31,076 grabbed the bag I had, put everything in it. 1578 01:28:40,052 --> 01:28:41,953 Welcome to Sydney. 1579 01:28:41,955 --> 01:28:43,688 Local time approaching 11:10. 1580 01:28:46,459 --> 01:28:49,461 Next thing you know, I'm coming in, landing for Sydney 1581 01:28:49,463 --> 01:28:51,363 and I've had a moment of clarity 1582 01:28:51,365 --> 01:28:54,800 and I've gone, 'Am I fucking kidding? 1583 01:28:54,802 --> 01:28:57,469 I've got a kilo of coke. I'm off my fucking head 1584 01:28:57,471 --> 01:28:59,070 and I've changed my ticket. 1585 01:28:59,072 --> 01:29:01,840 I've only been gone five days. I look like a zombie. 1586 01:29:01,842 --> 01:29:03,542 I'm fucking done!' 1587 01:29:09,682 --> 01:29:12,150 It was so loosely packed, man. 1588 01:29:12,152 --> 01:29:14,886 There were smears of coke on everything. 1589 01:29:14,888 --> 01:29:16,855 As soon as I walked into the airport, 1590 01:29:16,857 --> 01:29:19,018 I think the coke machine just started buzzing. 1591 01:29:24,431 --> 01:29:27,165 That thing went ballistic as soon as it saw me. 1592 01:29:27,167 --> 01:29:29,601 That's how much residue there was all over me. 1593 01:29:29,603 --> 01:29:32,003 It was so loosely packed. 1594 01:29:32,005 --> 01:29:35,040 The first question they asked, 'What's in the boards?' 1595 01:29:35,042 --> 01:29:37,976 It was that bloody obvious. 1596 01:29:37,978 --> 01:29:42,848 They all jumped on me, cuffed me. Quite a fiasco. 1597 01:29:42,850 --> 01:29:47,619 I had ground up a kilo to a nice little pile on a table 1598 01:29:47,621 --> 01:29:49,487 and it was falling on my clothes, 1599 01:29:49,489 --> 01:29:51,723 it's all over the boards when I was packing it in. 1600 01:29:51,725 --> 01:29:53,124 I just wiped it off with water. 1601 01:29:53,126 --> 01:29:55,060 What was I thinking? 1602 01:29:55,062 --> 01:29:56,695 I was completely gone. 1603 01:29:56,697 --> 01:30:00,031 I was so embarrassed. I was so ashamed, man. 1604 01:30:00,033 --> 01:30:02,934 There were these pictures on the internet 1605 01:30:02,936 --> 01:30:05,203 from the Australian Skateboarding website - 1606 01:30:05,205 --> 01:30:07,038 three or four boards 1607 01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,107 with all 'Fragile' stickers wrapped around 1608 01:30:09,109 --> 01:30:11,776 and it said, 'A skateboarder is caught in Sydney Airport 1609 01:30:11,778 --> 01:30:13,411 with cocaine in his boards.' 1610 01:30:13,413 --> 01:30:15,213 And you just knew instantly it was Tas. 1611 01:30:15,215 --> 01:30:18,183 You didn't have to say Tas. It screamed Tas all over it. 1612 01:30:18,185 --> 01:30:21,519 You would have to be completely off your head 1613 01:30:21,521 --> 01:30:24,890 to think you were gonna get away with those skateboards. 1614 01:30:24,892 --> 01:30:27,559 It was such a similar subconscious thing 1615 01:30:27,561 --> 01:30:29,761 that was happening with what Ben did. 1616 01:30:29,763 --> 01:30:33,031 It was actually... It was pretty sad. 1617 01:30:45,845 --> 01:30:47,579 Switch... 1618 01:30:47,581 --> 01:30:51,483 In the end, I got three years. 1619 01:30:51,485 --> 01:30:53,618 I'm doing 50-50s, you know what I mean? 1620 01:30:53,620 --> 01:30:56,454 I think it's been good for me. 1621 01:30:56,456 --> 01:30:59,858 It's been very good for me, it's exactly what I've needed. 1622 01:30:59,860 --> 01:31:02,127 I needed to be locked in a cell 1623 01:31:02,129 --> 01:31:05,463 to really think about my brother. 1624 01:31:05,465 --> 01:31:10,502 Because I couldn't handle the pain. It was too much at once. 1625 01:31:10,504 --> 01:31:15,507 Went straight. Forced to face my issues, which was good. 1626 01:31:15,509 --> 01:31:17,475 You feel like you're weak because of it, 1627 01:31:17,477 --> 01:31:19,678 but it's actually strong when you can admit it. 1628 01:31:20,780 --> 01:31:22,213 I miss my brother. 1629 01:31:23,883 --> 01:31:25,750 I miss him. 1630 01:31:32,458 --> 01:31:37,429 I just cried a lot in jail thinking about Ben as a kid, 1631 01:31:37,431 --> 01:31:40,131 me as a kid and how it all turned out. 1632 01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:47,238 It seems like they're painted one way 1633 01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,174 and people perceived them in that way. 1634 01:31:49,176 --> 01:31:51,876 To me, they weren't like that at all. 1635 01:31:51,878 --> 01:31:56,081 They were fucking crazy, crazy as anyone else at the time, 1636 01:31:56,083 --> 01:31:59,150 but those guys were just really cool people, man. 1637 01:31:59,152 --> 01:32:00,685 They were really generous 1638 01:32:00,687 --> 01:32:02,620 and I think that's truly the mentality 1639 01:32:02,622 --> 01:32:04,923 of most skateboarders. 1640 01:32:04,925 --> 01:32:08,426 On top of that, vert skating was pretty much dead, 1641 01:32:08,428 --> 01:32:11,096 and they put a big hand 1642 01:32:11,098 --> 01:32:14,132 in saving skateboarding right there. 1643 01:32:14,134 --> 01:32:16,067 When I heard about Ben, 1644 01:32:16,069 --> 01:32:19,104 I was like, 'Damn, skating just lost one 1645 01:32:19,106 --> 01:32:23,775 of the sickest skaters in the history of skateboarding.' 1646 01:32:23,777 --> 01:32:28,646 I think those guys belong in the history books 1647 01:32:28,648 --> 01:32:32,851 and Tas... Tas is still here so he definitely needs to be 1648 01:32:32,853 --> 01:32:34,786 in the scene with all those guys. 1649 01:32:34,788 --> 01:32:38,056 Those guys should still be right here 1650 01:32:38,058 --> 01:32:39,557 fucking kicking ass, 1651 01:32:39,559 --> 01:32:41,760 doing the same shit they were doing. 1652 01:32:41,762 --> 01:32:44,229 It's fucking sad. 1653 01:32:44,231 --> 01:32:50,969 Skateboarders got fucked in the ass so bad by bullshit. 1654 01:32:50,971 --> 01:32:55,607 Skateboarding used to be so fucking great, and still is, 1655 01:32:55,609 --> 01:32:57,475 but it's so fucking fucked. 1656 01:32:59,612 --> 01:33:01,713 Skateboarding is a gift, 1657 01:33:01,715 --> 01:33:06,017 and it did take me and Ben away from crap in St Albans. 1658 01:33:06,019 --> 01:33:08,486 But somehow we got sucked back into the life 1659 01:33:08,488 --> 01:33:11,689 we would have had in St Albans anyway. 1660 01:33:11,691 --> 01:33:14,025 I mean, I don't care. I'm over it now. 1661 01:33:14,027 --> 01:33:16,061 There's no point in holding onto it. 1662 01:33:16,063 --> 01:33:17,695 But it got pretty heavy. 1663 01:33:22,668 --> 01:33:26,638 Somehow in my big demented stage, 1664 01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:31,176 I met Helen, we fell in love, we had Billy straight away. 1665 01:33:31,178 --> 01:33:33,678 She stuck by me. 1666 01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,748 Yeah, I just needed a strong Australian woman 1667 01:33:36,750 --> 01:33:38,383 to help me through my shit. 1668 01:34:14,453 --> 01:34:17,755 I feel like God has given Ben a second chance. 1669 01:34:17,757 --> 01:34:21,426 His soul is coming back in this kid. 1670 01:34:21,428 --> 01:34:24,729 When I look at Billy, I feel it's Ben. 1671 01:34:28,434 --> 01:34:33,438 I feel like I will Barnes it to the death for my new Elias. 130893

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