All language subtitles for All.This.Mayhem.2014.DVDRip ENGLISH.SRT
Afrikaans
Albanian
Amharic
Arabic
Armenian
Azerbaijani
Basque
Belarusian
Bengali
Bosnian
Bulgarian
Catalan
Cebuano
Chichewa
Chinese (Simplified)
Chinese (Traditional)
Corsican
Croatian
Czech
Danish
Dutch
English
Esperanto
Estonian
Filipino
Finnish
French
Frisian
Galician
Georgian
German
Greek
Gujarati
Haitian Creole
Hausa
Hawaiian
Hebrew
Hindi
Hmong
Hungarian
Icelandic
Igbo
Indonesian
Irish
Italian
Japanese
Javanese
Kannada
Kazakh
Khmer
Korean
Kurdish (Kurmanji)
Kyrgyz
Lao
Latin
Latvian
Lithuanian
Luxembourgish
Macedonian
Malagasy
Malay
Malayalam
Maltese
Maori
Marathi
Mongolian
Myanmar (Burmese)
Nepali
Norwegian
Pashto
Persian
Polish
Portuguese
Punjabi
Romanian
Russian
Samoan
Scots Gaelic
Serbian
Sesotho
Shona
Sindhi
Sinhala
Slovak
Slovenian
Somali
Sundanese
Swahili
Swedish
Tajik
Tamil
Telugu
Thai
Turkish
Ukrainian
Urdu
Uzbek
Vietnamese
Welsh
Xhosa
Yiddish
Yoruba
Zulu
Odia (Oriya)
Kinyarwanda
Turkmen
Tatar
Uyghur
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:21,059 --> 00:00:23,060
I don't like bringing it all up
2
00:00:23,062 --> 00:00:25,696
because I would like to be
friends with everyone again.
3
00:00:25,698 --> 00:00:27,998
But you're asking me questions
about that period -
4
00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,800
well, that's what went on.
5
00:00:29,802 --> 00:00:31,468
That's just the way it is.
6
00:00:31,470 --> 00:00:34,071
That's the way it went down.
I can't bullshit.
7
00:00:34,073 --> 00:00:36,440
Don't want the Pappas brothers
to be remembered
8
00:00:36,442 --> 00:00:38,075
as just maniacs.
9
00:00:38,077 --> 00:00:40,911
But it got pretty heavy.
Yeah, just weird.
10
00:00:40,913 --> 00:00:43,947
Stuff you wouldn't think would
happen in skateboarding.
11
00:00:43,949 --> 00:00:46,183
And the facts is this, boys -
12
00:00:46,185 --> 00:00:48,652
there's three sides
to every story -
13
00:00:48,654 --> 00:00:51,121
there's my side,
your side and the truth.
14
00:01:12,777 --> 00:01:15,546
Back then, there
was no place better to be
15
00:01:15,548 --> 00:01:17,548
than Prahran
if you were a skateboarder.
16
00:01:19,517 --> 00:01:23,954
You had all different types
of people rocking up there.
17
00:01:23,956 --> 00:01:25,889
People in the tight, torn jeans,
18
00:01:25,891 --> 00:01:28,692
long hair...
19
00:01:28,694 --> 00:01:30,894
Messy ones, clean-cut.
20
00:01:30,896 --> 00:01:32,963
No matter who you were,
21
00:01:32,965 --> 00:01:35,799
you'd just get accepted
if you were a skateboarder.
22
00:01:35,801 --> 00:01:37,734
Do you like skaters?
23
00:01:37,736 --> 00:01:40,470
- Yeah, I am one.
- Do you like other skaters?
24
00:01:40,472 --> 00:01:43,674
- Yeah, of course. I have to.
- You have to?
25
00:01:43,676 --> 00:01:45,909
What do you think
of pedestrians?
26
00:01:47,745 --> 00:01:49,379
Can't do much about 'em.
27
00:01:53,017 --> 00:01:55,819
I used
to finish school at 3:30,
28
00:01:55,821 --> 00:01:58,589
get my board
and go straight to the ramp.
29
00:01:58,591 --> 00:02:01,391
It was the only thing that
I wanted to do at the time.
30
00:02:05,396 --> 00:02:07,531
- Oh!
- You alright?
31
00:02:07,533 --> 00:02:10,067
Dom! Why do you skate?
32
00:02:10,069 --> 00:02:12,135
- For fun.
- Fun?
33
00:02:12,137 --> 00:02:16,006
Yeah. What else would
I skate for? Money?
34
00:02:16,008 --> 00:02:19,576
I had that sense of
freedom with skateboarding,
35
00:02:19,578 --> 00:02:22,512
and pretty much
that was my life at the time -
36
00:02:22,514 --> 00:02:24,147
I was just skateboarding.
37
00:02:24,149 --> 00:02:26,783
School was OK, but skateboarding
38
00:02:26,785 --> 00:02:28,518
was more than that to me.
39
00:02:30,188 --> 00:02:32,155
Looking sharp there, Greg.
40
00:02:32,157 --> 00:02:33,991
Yeah, looking very good!
41
00:02:33,993 --> 00:02:36,226
Every weekend,
every night after school,
42
00:02:36,228 --> 00:02:37,861
we used to go down to Prahran.
43
00:02:37,863 --> 00:02:39,930
It was so exciting
because there were people
44
00:02:39,932 --> 00:02:44,434
from around Melbourne, a lot
of older crew and street guys.
45
00:02:44,436 --> 00:02:46,803
Hey, why do you skate?
46
00:02:46,805 --> 00:02:50,474
'Cause, you know, I've gotta
get some enjoyment in my life.
47
00:02:50,476 --> 00:02:53,377
- You know?
- Go and have a pull, son.
48
00:02:53,379 --> 00:02:56,113
My mum hated it.
49
00:02:56,115 --> 00:02:59,016
She just didn't understand
why I wanted to go to Prahran
50
00:02:59,018 --> 00:03:01,618
all the time and didn't
understand that culture.
51
00:03:01,620 --> 00:03:03,920
Still to this day,
they don't really understand.
52
00:03:03,922 --> 00:03:06,423
What do you think
of skateboarding?
53
00:03:06,425 --> 00:03:09,626
Skateboarding? I haven't
thought about it much.
54
00:03:09,628 --> 00:03:12,129
But do you think
it's a good sport, really?
55
00:03:12,131 --> 00:03:14,011
If it turns people on, why not?
56
00:03:15,700 --> 00:03:18,435
I was down at Prahran one day.
57
00:03:18,437 --> 00:03:21,471
I was probably, like, 11 or 12.
58
00:03:21,473 --> 00:03:24,675
And these kids padded up and
just started from the bottom.
59
00:03:24,677 --> 00:03:27,778
Looked like they'd never even
stepped on a board before.
60
00:03:27,780 --> 00:03:30,881
They just got on the ramp
and started pumping,
61
00:03:30,883 --> 00:03:33,717
going quarter of the way up,
halfway up the ramp.
62
00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:37,020
They didn't give two shits
if someone said to them
63
00:03:37,022 --> 00:03:39,790
to get off the ramp, they'd
just go and have a skate.
64
00:03:39,792 --> 00:03:42,559
You could see they were
pretty hard, you know.
65
00:03:42,561 --> 00:03:46,096
I found out they were called
Ben and Tas.
66
00:03:46,098 --> 00:03:48,565
We were young as fuck
when we came to Prahran,
67
00:03:48,567 --> 00:03:50,701
which is on the rich side
of Melbourne.
68
00:03:50,703 --> 00:03:52,169
We were just normal kids
69
00:03:52,171 --> 00:03:55,105
brought up in a physical
kind of atmosphere,
70
00:03:55,107 --> 00:03:58,709
like having rock wars and
climbing construction sites
71
00:03:58,711 --> 00:04:00,777
and houses
that were being built.
72
00:04:00,779 --> 00:04:03,947
I saw the vert ramp and I was
just mesmerised by the fact
73
00:04:03,949 --> 00:04:06,850
that people could fly through
the air, and that took over.
74
00:04:06,852 --> 00:04:09,386
We were bogans.
75
00:04:09,388 --> 00:04:11,688
There's bogans in every country.
76
00:04:11,690 --> 00:04:15,559
I think in America they call
them hessians or white trash.
77
00:04:15,561 --> 00:04:17,928
They'd be the American bogan.
78
00:04:17,930 --> 00:04:19,963
In Australia,
it's just called a bogan,
79
00:04:19,965 --> 00:04:22,432
but it's more
the rougher suburb type.
80
00:04:34,779 --> 00:04:38,815
We grew up in suburbia,
half Greek, half Aussie.
81
00:04:38,817 --> 00:04:40,550
Sort of rough.
82
00:04:43,154 --> 00:04:48,024
Growing up was pretty hectic
as far as Mum and Dad went.
83
00:04:48,026 --> 00:04:50,360
They tried to be together
and cool,
84
00:04:50,362 --> 00:04:52,529
but there were just fights
every night.
85
00:04:53,765 --> 00:04:55,432
Mum was hardcore.
86
00:04:55,434 --> 00:04:57,167
I mean, they had a fight,
they got into it
87
00:04:57,169 --> 00:05:01,671
and then she's screaming
and I was, like, freaking out.
88
00:05:01,673 --> 00:05:03,640
'Don't hit Mum!'
89
00:05:03,642 --> 00:05:06,576
Then Mum would come back
with a big glass ashtray,
90
00:05:06,578 --> 00:05:08,545
smash Dad in the head,
then he's... Bff!
91
00:05:08,547 --> 00:05:11,047
..laid out on the floor with
blood coming out his head!
92
00:05:11,049 --> 00:05:14,151
I'm like, 'Ah! Dad's dead!'
93
00:05:14,153 --> 00:05:16,453
That's the sort of things
we saw growing up.
94
00:05:22,794 --> 00:05:25,428
Me and Ben would always be
going at it with each other,
95
00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:26,897
smashing each other.
96
00:05:26,899 --> 00:05:29,566
And we learned martial arts
as kids.
97
00:05:29,568 --> 00:05:31,067
I was in kung-fu
when I was five.
98
00:05:31,069 --> 00:05:32,836
They had to take me out of it
99
00:05:32,838 --> 00:05:34,938
'cause I started smashing
all the grade fives
100
00:05:34,940 --> 00:05:36,573
when I was in grade one.
101
00:05:36,575 --> 00:05:38,942
Just thought I was Bruce Lee.
102
00:05:38,944 --> 00:05:42,179
My dad and Uncle Willie
had a jujitsu school,
103
00:05:42,181 --> 00:05:44,181
and the first thing
Uncle Willie taught us
104
00:05:44,183 --> 00:05:45,816
was all the pressure points.
105
00:05:45,818 --> 00:05:48,118
Temples, eyes, behind the ears,
106
00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,453
throat, up the nose,
down the chin.
107
00:05:50,455 --> 00:05:52,889
And he's teaching us
all these death strikes.
108
00:05:52,891 --> 00:05:55,091
Then he'd tell us in class,
109
00:05:55,093 --> 00:05:58,461
'Right!
Now, what are you going to do?
110
00:05:58,463 --> 00:06:02,065
You've just walked in, some
bloke's raping your mother.
111
00:06:02,067 --> 00:06:04,000
Think about that.
She's about to die.
112
00:06:04,002 --> 00:06:06,036
Now what are you going to do
to that bloke?'
113
00:06:06,038 --> 00:06:09,606
We'd be in our heads, young,
going, 'I'll kill him!'
114
00:06:09,608 --> 00:06:11,775
And then they'd go,
'Now, spar!'
115
00:06:11,777 --> 00:06:13,677
Then we'd go in there
and fully spar.
116
00:06:15,814 --> 00:06:17,981
Dad was like, 'Willie,
maybe we should ease up
117
00:06:17,983 --> 00:06:20,617
on the death strikes,
they're children.'
118
00:06:20,619 --> 00:06:23,253
But I took that to skating
and so did Ben.
119
00:06:26,424 --> 00:06:29,459
Sure enough, a week later
they're dropping in.
120
00:06:29,461 --> 00:06:32,863
Tas is dropping in, Ben
gets up, starts dropping in.
121
00:06:32,865 --> 00:06:35,031
They'd gotten good really quick.
122
00:06:35,033 --> 00:06:37,834
They just did it for fun,
how I did.
123
00:06:37,836 --> 00:06:40,037
We'd become really good
friends, me, Tas and Ben.
124
00:06:41,672 --> 00:06:43,773
Ben! Yeah!
125
00:06:43,775 --> 00:06:45,709
We were a really tight group
126
00:06:45,711 --> 00:06:48,345
and everyone bonded with
each other who could skate.
127
00:06:48,347 --> 00:06:51,047
We were just complete pricks
to other people who couldn't,
128
00:06:51,049 --> 00:06:53,583
so it was
that sort of mentality.
129
00:06:53,585 --> 00:06:56,853
- Do some fucking tricks!
130
00:06:56,855 --> 00:06:58,955
When are you gonna
fucking skateboard?!
131
00:07:01,392 --> 00:07:03,860
That's the way!
There you go.
132
00:07:06,899 --> 00:07:11,568
- Oh, look at it.
- It's not good enough!
133
00:07:11,570 --> 00:07:15,038
Not fucking good enough!
134
00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,674
You're a wanker!
Let's go, man.
135
00:07:17,676 --> 00:07:19,509
♪ The Star-Spangled Banner
136
00:07:27,084 --> 00:07:29,819
Everyone used to come
back to my house
137
00:07:29,821 --> 00:07:31,521
and just... all we did
138
00:07:31,523 --> 00:07:34,658
was hang out in the lounge
room and watch videos.
139
00:07:36,161 --> 00:07:38,528
We always got really excited
140
00:07:38,530 --> 00:07:41,631
by watching videos from the
States 'cause that was it.
141
00:07:49,340 --> 00:07:52,075
I used to just rock in
and there was my brother
142
00:07:52,077 --> 00:07:55,412
and a couple of friends
watching the videos.
143
00:07:55,414 --> 00:07:58,114
My drive is just progression.
144
00:07:58,116 --> 00:08:00,717
Just to be able to keep going
on and doing new things.
145
00:08:00,719 --> 00:08:05,355
To see what they did,
I didn't think was possible.
146
00:08:05,357 --> 00:08:06,723
It just blew my mind away.
147
00:08:09,894 --> 00:08:13,029
That's all we watched,
and recited songs from them
148
00:08:13,031 --> 00:08:16,766
and just had a laugh about
what the skaters were saying.
149
00:08:16,768 --> 00:08:18,902
How long have you been skating?
150
00:08:18,904 --> 00:08:20,537
Six years.
151
00:08:20,539 --> 00:08:24,407
- When did you start?
- Um... six years ago.
152
00:08:24,409 --> 00:08:27,444
The Americans
had that twang in their voice,
153
00:08:27,446 --> 00:08:30,180
like, 'Hey!' -
we used to imitate that.
154
00:08:30,182 --> 00:08:32,582
You're just flying around.
155
00:08:32,584 --> 00:08:34,918
You're not skating any more,
just flying around.
156
00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,754
Wasn't that Tony Mag's quote
in one of the H-Street videos?
157
00:08:37,756 --> 00:08:40,023
It's like you're not
skating any more,
158
00:08:40,025 --> 00:08:41,591
you're just flying around.
159
00:08:46,697 --> 00:08:48,932
All I cared about
was H-Street.
160
00:08:48,934 --> 00:08:51,334
New gen style, Danny Way style.
161
00:08:53,804 --> 00:08:55,872
I remember being in my room,
going,
162
00:08:55,874 --> 00:08:58,074
'That's it.
I'm going to America.
163
00:08:58,076 --> 00:09:00,910
I'm going to be the best.
I wanna smash Hawk!'
164
00:09:00,912 --> 00:09:02,512
I had these huge dreams.
165
00:09:05,616 --> 00:09:07,484
You just realised
166
00:09:07,486 --> 00:09:10,887
that Australia just didn't
have that same buzz.
167
00:09:10,889 --> 00:09:15,091
So to be a part of that US
skate culture was our dream.
168
00:09:30,841 --> 00:09:32,942
I was living with my dad
during the week
169
00:09:32,944 --> 00:09:35,545
and we stayed with Mum
on the weekends.
170
00:09:35,547 --> 00:09:37,380
Mum moved to Clifton Hill,
171
00:09:37,382 --> 00:09:39,482
so the closest vert ramp
was Northcote.
172
00:09:39,484 --> 00:09:41,451
That ramp
was a lot bigger than Prahran,
173
00:09:41,453 --> 00:09:42,986
and it was pretty much
dead there
174
00:09:42,988 --> 00:09:44,829
so we had the ramp to ourselves.
175
00:09:46,924 --> 00:09:49,726
Sometimes these guys
would rock up to the ramp
176
00:09:49,728 --> 00:09:51,628
in these two Porsches,
177
00:09:51,630 --> 00:09:54,964
I remember just tripping.
'Who are these two?'
178
00:09:54,966 --> 00:09:58,101
They saw me and Ben learning,
fighting and learning,
179
00:09:58,103 --> 00:10:00,804
and he'll learn this
and I'll learn that better,
180
00:10:00,806 --> 00:10:03,440
I'll go higher here,
and we were just battling.
181
00:10:03,442 --> 00:10:08,778
These guys just so happened
to be the two brothers
182
00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:10,113
who had pretty much the biggest
183
00:10:10,115 --> 00:10:11,915
distributorship in Australia.
184
00:10:11,917 --> 00:10:14,117
We had no idea
who they were either.
185
00:10:14,119 --> 00:10:16,853
Lucky we didn't get lippy
to them, eh?
186
00:10:16,855 --> 00:10:19,222
So if you were starting
off from the beginning
187
00:10:19,224 --> 00:10:21,825
to learn skateboarding,
is the book going to help you?
188
00:10:21,827 --> 00:10:25,228
For sure. It also has
a how-to-do section in it.
189
00:10:25,230 --> 00:10:27,764
Stephen and Peter Hill
approached us at the ramp
190
00:10:27,766 --> 00:10:30,200
and said, 'Hey, do you guys
want to come into Hardcore?'
191
00:10:30,202 --> 00:10:31,835
Which is now known as Globe.
192
00:10:31,837 --> 00:10:33,770
'We'll give you some product
and stuff.'
193
00:10:33,772 --> 00:10:37,707
I was expecting a T-shirt
and we walked out of Hardcore
194
00:10:37,709 --> 00:10:41,845
that day with so much shit,
I was just blown away.
195
00:10:41,847 --> 00:10:44,080
And from that day on,
we were hooked up
196
00:10:44,082 --> 00:10:47,050
with the Hill brothers
and Hardcore.
197
00:10:47,052 --> 00:10:49,119
Me and Ben, we got sponsored.
198
00:10:49,121 --> 00:10:51,488
We couldn't exactly
quite do things yet,
199
00:10:51,490 --> 00:10:53,530
but they thought
we were going to be good.
200
00:10:57,928 --> 00:11:01,998
Jerry Sont here and welcome
to Melbourne's Festival Hall
201
00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,868
where, tonight, skaters
from all over the world,
202
00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:07,137
including USA's No.1
Christian Hosoi
203
00:11:07,139 --> 00:11:08,771
and Sweden's Tony Magnusson,
204
00:11:08,773 --> 00:11:11,474
will compete
against Australia's best.
205
00:11:11,476 --> 00:11:13,543
The wheels are way more new
than his.
206
00:11:13,545 --> 00:11:15,411
Better trucks,
they're way stronger.
207
00:11:15,413 --> 00:11:17,113
We've got the ultimate trucks...
208
00:11:17,115 --> 00:11:19,716
These are so shit. It's a
joke.
209
00:11:19,718 --> 00:11:22,018
- It's independent.
- Grip tape, really chunky.
210
00:11:22,020 --> 00:11:24,487
Independent is where it is at.
211
00:11:24,489 --> 00:11:27,490
1989 Ramp Riot,
they wanted us to go on it,
212
00:11:27,492 --> 00:11:29,726
and I told my dad,
'Dad, you've got to go!'
213
00:11:29,728 --> 00:11:31,661
Me and Ben were,
'Yeah, you gotta let us go
214
00:11:31,663 --> 00:11:34,864
to go on tour
around Australia.'
215
00:11:34,866 --> 00:11:37,634
Someone from Hardcore
spoke to our parents,
216
00:11:37,636 --> 00:11:40,470
and the next thing you know,
we're in the team van.
217
00:12:04,628 --> 00:12:06,629
And then we toured
around Australia,
218
00:12:06,631 --> 00:12:08,531
seeing all this mayhem go down.
219
00:12:08,533 --> 00:12:11,434
We were staying in a hotel
with 30-years-olds,
220
00:12:11,436 --> 00:12:13,536
partying out of control.
221
00:12:13,538 --> 00:12:15,838
We live to skate 100%
of the time.
222
00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,676
When we travel, we skate.
When we're at home, we skate.
223
00:12:19,678 --> 00:12:21,678
The skating
shouldn't be organised.
224
00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:25,882
It is like trying to chain
a wild animal.
225
00:12:25,884 --> 00:12:28,151
It shouldn't be done.
226
00:12:28,153 --> 00:12:30,987
They're all just
coked, drinking maniacs
227
00:12:30,989 --> 00:12:32,855
with all these chicks.
228
00:12:32,857 --> 00:12:35,558
Naturally, that's what me and
Ben saw as young, young kids
229
00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:37,841
and we were like, 'Oh, this
is what skating is about.'
230
00:12:43,434 --> 00:12:46,936
And you're young, going,
'Yeah! These pros are cool.
231
00:12:46,938 --> 00:12:48,638
I wanna be a pro skater.
232
00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,673
What's that white shit
they're sniffing?
233
00:12:50,675 --> 00:12:52,442
Oh, it makes you skate better?
Hmm.
234
00:12:52,444 --> 00:12:54,777
Get me tonnes of that.'
You know, you'll do it.
235
00:12:57,048 --> 00:12:59,415
So that was our first
taste of pro skateboarding.
236
00:13:02,786 --> 00:13:04,787
Harder.
237
00:13:06,958 --> 00:13:09,759
Fuckin'... Unnggh!
238
00:13:11,929 --> 00:13:14,030
I got into video
239
00:13:14,032 --> 00:13:16,899
just because so much stuff
was happening at Prahran,
240
00:13:16,901 --> 00:13:19,435
it was entertaining
to actually watch
241
00:13:19,437 --> 00:13:22,272
people's reactions
to themselves on video.
242
00:13:24,675 --> 00:13:26,555
Why are you filming
all the time?
243
00:13:29,079 --> 00:13:32,215
Apart from the skating,
we were just hanging out,
244
00:13:32,217 --> 00:13:35,451
doing what your regular boys
would do at that age.
245
00:13:35,453 --> 00:13:40,156
Look at that little baby. Mmm.
She's just asking for a root.
246
00:13:40,158 --> 00:13:43,593
- Mmm.
- Lana, want to fuck?
247
00:13:43,595 --> 00:13:46,095
No, don't say that.
Buzz will root you!
248
00:13:46,097 --> 00:13:48,598
Nah, I'm just asking for Buzz.
He hasn't got the guts to.
249
00:13:52,703 --> 00:13:54,404
At the same time,
250
00:13:54,406 --> 00:13:57,440
I could see Tas and Ben
were getting really good.
251
00:13:57,442 --> 00:13:59,742
They were improving,
like, really quickly.
252
00:14:05,382 --> 00:14:06,649
Just go for it.
253
00:14:09,586 --> 00:14:12,922
They were doing new
tricks that, in some respects,
254
00:14:12,924 --> 00:14:14,824
that were better
than some of the pros
255
00:14:14,826 --> 00:14:16,706
who were in the American videos.
256
00:14:27,671 --> 00:14:30,206
Shut up while
I'm trying to skate. All right?
257
00:14:30,208 --> 00:14:31,208
Fair enough.
258
00:14:35,580 --> 00:14:38,648
Tas was
an in-your-face kind of guy,
259
00:14:38,650 --> 00:14:40,283
and his skating was the same.
260
00:14:42,419 --> 00:14:43,953
He'd just go for it,
261
00:14:43,955 --> 00:14:47,023
always put together the
hardest stuff, back to back.
262
00:14:47,025 --> 00:14:48,958
If he slammed, he slammed.
263
00:14:51,362 --> 00:14:53,696
If he couldn't make a trick,
264
00:14:53,698 --> 00:14:55,998
it was, 'Look out, heads,
here is a board coming.'
265
00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,968
Fuckin' dick! Fuckin' homo!
266
00:14:58,970 --> 00:15:00,069
Fuckin' eh!
267
00:15:06,811 --> 00:15:10,613
- No, don't say that.
- Buzz will root you!
268
00:15:13,718 --> 00:15:17,186
Ben, on that session
you just watched today,
269
00:15:17,188 --> 00:15:19,956
what is the outcome,
your response?
270
00:15:19,958 --> 00:15:23,126
Ah, well... nothing.
271
00:15:23,128 --> 00:15:25,128
Ben was always different to Tas,
272
00:15:25,130 --> 00:15:27,530
maybe because
he was the younger brother.
273
00:15:27,532 --> 00:15:31,501
Quite laid-back and he was
just a bit more open-minded.
274
00:15:31,503 --> 00:15:33,069
It was weak.
275
00:15:36,807 --> 00:15:39,742
At the time, there was
a big boom in street skating.
276
00:15:39,744 --> 00:15:42,512
It had its own energy,
it had its own language.
277
00:15:48,752 --> 00:15:52,422
It was a new generation of
kids taking all the old tricks
278
00:15:52,424 --> 00:15:53,890
and adding kickflips
279
00:15:53,892 --> 00:15:56,053
to create a whole new
dynamic form of skating.
280
00:16:01,999 --> 00:16:05,034
Ben would come along
and skate street with us
281
00:16:05,036 --> 00:16:07,069
and actually try
these street tricks
282
00:16:07,071 --> 00:16:09,305
on the vertical,
which was just unheard of.
283
00:16:18,048 --> 00:16:19,549
Ben Pappas.
284
00:16:21,752 --> 00:16:24,554
- Kick indy revert.
- Yep. Do it.
285
00:16:24,556 --> 00:16:26,422
After the heelflip?
286
00:16:26,424 --> 00:16:29,025
No, try the varial. You're so
fucking close to the varial.
287
00:16:29,027 --> 00:16:32,428
The thing that was
really amazing about Ben
288
00:16:32,430 --> 00:16:35,565
was he was just, like,
completely natural.
289
00:16:35,567 --> 00:16:38,000
If you thought anything,
he would do it.
290
00:16:38,002 --> 00:16:40,002
- Back foot kickflip.
- You'll never do it.
291
00:16:40,004 --> 00:16:41,704
- All right.
- You're dreaming.
292
00:16:41,706 --> 00:16:43,940
Obviously take time,
but he'd actually do it
293
00:16:43,942 --> 00:16:46,576
and do it all the time,
really easily.
294
00:16:46,578 --> 00:16:49,779
That's when all that sort of
vert and street mix
295
00:16:49,781 --> 00:16:52,582
was coming to power,
I guess you could say.
296
00:16:59,957 --> 00:17:02,124
Look at how Sean's going, eh?
297
00:17:02,126 --> 00:17:04,794
He'd like to quote
movies, my brother.
298
00:17:04,796 --> 00:17:10,166
The movie Platoon was the
war between Elias and Barnes,
299
00:17:10,168 --> 00:17:13,836
and he'd say, like, we
skated like Barnes and Elias.
300
00:17:13,838 --> 00:17:17,073
Elias was more free-flowing
and stoned
301
00:17:17,075 --> 00:17:18,708
and Barnes was like,
302
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:21,911
'If the machine breaks down,
we break down.'
303
00:17:21,913 --> 00:17:23,880
He just gets hammered
and just, 'Raah!'
304
00:17:23,882 --> 00:17:26,549
Makes things happen. That's
how Ben reckons I skated.
305
00:17:28,886 --> 00:17:32,121
I'd roll in, try to do
everything and land it or die.
306
00:17:32,123 --> 00:17:33,890
He'd call it 'Barnesing' it.
307
00:17:36,059 --> 00:17:40,096
Ben was more flick perfect
and he was more the Elias,
308
00:17:40,098 --> 00:17:42,138
'cause he tried to be
more understanding.
309
00:17:47,371 --> 00:17:50,773
We did everything together.
We were inseparable.
310
00:17:50,775 --> 00:17:52,875
Go slowly.
311
00:17:52,877 --> 00:17:56,345
- Wait, are you filming?
- Yeah.
312
00:17:56,347 --> 00:17:58,481
The scene was really
sort of dead
313
00:17:58,483 --> 00:18:00,483
in Australia at that point.
314
00:18:00,485 --> 00:18:02,818
Just feed it. Don't hurt it.
315
00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:06,522
But it sort of brought
us sort of closer together.
316
00:18:06,524 --> 00:18:08,057
It's trying to attack me!
317
00:18:08,059 --> 00:18:10,693
Tas and Ben both knew
how to have a fun time.
318
00:18:10,695 --> 00:18:11,794
Come on!
319
00:18:14,831 --> 00:18:16,499
Get off!
320
00:18:24,808 --> 00:18:26,175
I'm recording.
321
00:18:26,177 --> 00:18:28,477
Yeah, hang on.
322
00:18:28,479 --> 00:18:30,513
Did it work?
323
00:18:30,515 --> 00:18:32,515
- Nah!
- No!
324
00:18:32,517 --> 00:18:35,184
- Did it work?
325
00:18:35,186 --> 00:18:39,555
- Got it, mongol?
- Fucking wait.
326
00:18:39,557 --> 00:18:43,059
Tas always had something
new up his sleeve, you know.
327
00:18:43,061 --> 00:18:46,195
If it was causing mischief, he
definitely wouldn't hold back.
328
00:18:46,197 --> 00:18:48,798
Hold it upside down until
the plastic starts burning.
329
00:18:51,435 --> 00:18:55,071
The bomb is gonna go off!
330
00:18:55,073 --> 00:18:57,607
Little bogans, I suppose.
That's what we did.
331
00:18:57,609 --> 00:19:00,376
We were always looking for
a rush, trying to have fun.
332
00:19:00,378 --> 00:19:02,345
- Fuck off.
- Keep away from me!
333
00:19:02,347 --> 00:19:04,780
- You're a fucking goober!
- Get away from me!
334
00:19:04,782 --> 00:19:07,650
- Fucking don't hit me.
- Get away from me, you idiot.
335
00:19:07,652 --> 00:19:11,120
- You're a cunt.
- Well, fuck you, mongol.
336
00:19:12,956 --> 00:19:16,859
Yeah!
337
00:19:16,861 --> 00:19:19,929
What kid doesn't have fun
blowing up lighters
338
00:19:19,931 --> 00:19:23,666
or smashing things or finding
a stolen car in a paddock
339
00:19:23,668 --> 00:19:27,670
and smashing all the windows
in it and setting it on fire?
340
00:19:27,672 --> 00:19:31,674
What little kid
didn't enjoy that stuff?
341
00:19:31,676 --> 00:19:34,043
It's what everyone does,
don't they?
342
00:19:34,045 --> 00:19:35,578
Didn't they?
343
00:19:44,755 --> 00:19:47,023
Why are you here?
344
00:19:47,025 --> 00:19:48,858
I'm doing a demo.
345
00:19:48,860 --> 00:19:50,760
What do you think of the demo
so far?
346
00:19:50,762 --> 00:19:51,894
It sucks.
347
00:19:51,896 --> 00:19:53,462
- Why?
- Shit ramp.
348
00:19:53,464 --> 00:19:55,598
Any good-looking chicks
out there?
349
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,435
Most of them are lizards.
I suppose there'd be a few.
350
00:19:59,437 --> 00:20:02,571
How could you sum Sydney up
in one word?
351
00:20:02,573 --> 00:20:03,573
Fucked.
352
00:20:08,145 --> 00:20:10,680
It went sort of slack for a bit.
353
00:20:10,682 --> 00:20:12,448
Not much skating went down.
354
00:20:12,450 --> 00:20:14,417
That was when I made up my mind.
355
00:20:14,419 --> 00:20:17,853
I was 16, worked for a year
and a half, saved up my money,
356
00:20:17,855 --> 00:20:20,923
jumped on a plane, vowing
to myself I have to go there,
357
00:20:20,925 --> 00:20:22,625
and I have to beat Hawk.
358
00:20:26,830 --> 00:20:30,132
Hello, and welcome
to the skate park of Tampa.
359
00:20:30,134 --> 00:20:32,702
I'll be your tour guide.
My name is Bill.
360
00:20:32,704 --> 00:20:36,005
Welcome to the pro shop.
We've just refinished it.
361
00:20:36,007 --> 00:20:38,708
You've got Fred over here,
dealing with construction...
362
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:42,812
You've got Olly, park
employee. And the Sandman.
363
00:20:42,814 --> 00:20:47,116
The first time I met Tas
was in Tampa, Florida.
364
00:20:47,118 --> 00:20:51,654
They had a vert ramp in a
warehouse where lots of people
365
00:20:51,656 --> 00:20:54,390
from all over the world
would show up.
366
00:20:56,427 --> 00:20:58,394
It was not only a great place
to skate
367
00:20:58,396 --> 00:21:00,529
but it was a really fun place
to party.
368
00:21:00,531 --> 00:21:03,099
It was a cool environment.
369
00:21:03,101 --> 00:21:06,435
We lived in the skate
park behind the ramp.
370
00:21:06,437 --> 00:21:08,637
There was the skate park
371
00:21:08,639 --> 00:21:11,874
and then there was an office
building inside the warehouse.
372
00:21:11,876 --> 00:21:15,678
We lived under the ramp
in the Charlie Brown room.
373
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,913
It was painted yellow
with a black zigzag
374
00:21:17,915 --> 00:21:19,648
all the way around the room.
375
00:21:19,650 --> 00:21:22,218
Trippy room, gave you really
weird dreams in there.
376
00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:24,453
He was a kid.
377
00:21:24,455 --> 00:21:27,423
I don't even know how
you'd gather the kind of money
378
00:21:27,425 --> 00:21:29,892
it takes to get
a plane ticket from Australia
379
00:21:29,894 --> 00:21:34,463
to fly all the way to the US
with nowhere to stay in sight,
380
00:21:34,465 --> 00:21:35,898
trying to chase a dream
381
00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:39,034
that, you know,
doesn't seem very realistic.
382
00:21:39,036 --> 00:21:42,037
You get here and
if you're the new vert skater
383
00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:44,673
from Australia that shows up,
nobody cares.
384
00:21:46,143 --> 00:21:48,177
Tas came over here
385
00:21:48,179 --> 00:21:51,814
and his skating was what put
him on the map, period.
386
00:21:51,816 --> 00:21:53,048
It was, like, undeniable.
387
00:21:55,719 --> 00:21:58,120
The level of skating
there was mad!
388
00:21:58,122 --> 00:22:00,156
Everyone was just going off
all the time,
389
00:22:00,158 --> 00:22:02,558
just filming constantly,
everyone is there every day.
390
00:22:04,427 --> 00:22:06,662
..in the pool room.
391
00:22:06,664 --> 00:22:09,732
Mike Frazier, Mike Crum!
What do you know?
392
00:22:16,773 --> 00:22:21,177
It was full-blown mayhem.
It was crazy, man.
393
00:22:21,179 --> 00:22:23,078
A lot of acid-taking going
down.
394
00:22:26,116 --> 00:22:29,218
You get sheets,
mini sheets of acid
395
00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:31,687
and I'd just have acid
all the time.
396
00:22:37,727 --> 00:22:41,197
♪ Madness and mayhem... ♪
397
00:22:41,199 --> 00:22:43,899
I filmed my whole part,
398
00:22:43,901 --> 00:22:47,069
all my tricks in the Mad
Circle Let The Horns Blow,
399
00:22:47,071 --> 00:22:49,305
I was on acid, and I got
Video Part of the Year.
400
00:22:51,708 --> 00:22:53,542
When I'd get on the acid,
401
00:22:53,544 --> 00:22:55,745
it was like everything just
felt like I was moving well.
402
00:22:55,746 --> 00:22:57,379
You know that da Vinci painting
403
00:22:57,381 --> 00:22:59,114
where the guy's like this
and like this
404
00:22:59,116 --> 00:23:01,550
and it's in the circle,
there's all the numbers?
405
00:23:01,552 --> 00:23:02,852
I started feeling like him.
406
00:23:21,404 --> 00:23:25,441
Always wanted to do everything
in a line at the end.
407
00:23:25,443 --> 00:23:27,176
I just thought
the best thing is, like,
408
00:23:27,178 --> 00:23:30,012
imagine all these mad, single
tricks these guys have filmed
409
00:23:30,014 --> 00:23:32,681
and then everyone thinks
that's your video part done
410
00:23:32,683 --> 00:23:34,450
and then,
at the end of your part,
411
00:23:34,452 --> 00:23:36,218
be able to do it all
in one line.
412
00:23:55,673 --> 00:23:59,742
The Mad Circle video
really put him on the map
413
00:23:59,744 --> 00:24:03,812
because he was certainly
the next guy that was changing
414
00:24:03,814 --> 00:24:07,049
what you thought was possible
or how it was done on vert.
415
00:24:07,051 --> 00:24:09,985
There was one line
that stood out
416
00:24:09,987 --> 00:24:12,388
that was like
all the hardest tricks
417
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:16,558
that no-one had really ever
seen, but put into one line.
418
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,130
Rumour has it that that line
was done on mushrooms as well,
419
00:24:21,132 --> 00:24:24,033
so it made it
that much more iconic.
420
00:24:31,141 --> 00:24:34,176
In that period
when Tas was in the States,
421
00:24:34,178 --> 00:24:37,513
Ben was preparing himself
to be a world-class skater.
422
00:24:37,515 --> 00:24:38,814
Oh, yeah!
423
00:24:42,686 --> 00:24:45,754
Whoo-hoo!
424
00:24:45,756 --> 00:24:48,857
- It's fucking cold!
425
00:24:48,859 --> 00:24:51,694
Oh, my God! That was so scary!
426
00:24:51,696 --> 00:24:54,129
You guys are fucked!
427
00:24:54,131 --> 00:24:56,665
He was filming
all the time with me,
428
00:24:56,667 --> 00:24:59,134
hanging out, having fun,
but also trying to do
429
00:24:59,136 --> 00:25:02,604
the best he could to prepare
himself to go to America.
430
00:25:06,109 --> 00:25:08,377
- Start again.
- Shut up!
431
00:25:11,514 --> 00:25:14,383
Bunch of
slack-jawed faggots here.
432
00:25:14,385 --> 00:25:16,919
This will make you a
goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus,
433
00:25:16,921 --> 00:25:18,921
just like me.
434
00:25:18,923 --> 00:25:22,424
I was 16, I finished Year
10 and went to the States.
435
00:25:22,426 --> 00:25:25,060
My brother was already over
there. He finished school.
436
00:25:25,062 --> 00:25:26,862
He was two years older than me,
437
00:25:26,864 --> 00:25:28,697
so he was already
in Tampa, Florida.
438
00:25:28,699 --> 00:25:30,619
I flew over to Tampa,
met Tas there.
439
00:25:32,502 --> 00:25:36,071
Ben blew straight onto
the scene like his brother.
440
00:25:36,073 --> 00:25:38,507
- What's your name?
- Ben Pappas.
441
00:25:38,509 --> 00:25:40,676
- Where are you from?
- Australia.
442
00:25:40,678 --> 00:25:42,478
- How old are you?
- 16.
443
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,747
These guys were putting
444
00:25:44,749 --> 00:25:46,715
such a heavy hit on vert skating
445
00:25:46,717 --> 00:25:48,517
that it was just unbelievable.
446
00:25:52,389 --> 00:25:55,024
Me, my brother
and this guy Bo Turner,
447
00:25:55,026 --> 00:25:57,092
we would go to the skate park
to go skate,
448
00:25:57,094 --> 00:25:59,728
and then seeing these dudes
skate the vert ramp
449
00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:02,031
like no-one else I've seen
skate the vert ramp.
450
00:26:02,033 --> 00:26:04,600
Out of nowhere, like,
'Who the fuck are these guys?'
451
00:26:04,602 --> 00:26:06,803
'Oh, they're the Pappas
brothers from Australia.'
452
00:26:08,938 --> 00:26:10,739
Both those guys were,
453
00:26:10,741 --> 00:26:13,542
'I'll fucking make this trick.
I don't give a shit.'
454
00:26:13,544 --> 00:26:15,110
That was the mentality.
455
00:26:15,112 --> 00:26:17,946
When they were on it, it
was like, 'Dude, stand back,
456
00:26:17,948 --> 00:26:21,150
and fucking watch some really,
really good skateboarding.'
457
00:26:26,924 --> 00:26:28,924
Got onto the comp circuit.
458
00:26:28,926 --> 00:26:31,894
Being an outsider from another
country, it was hard.
459
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,902
You come up,
you've gotta start doing stuff
460
00:26:39,904 --> 00:26:42,671
that is just obviously
light-years ahead,
461
00:26:42,673 --> 00:26:45,774
or way harder combos which
no-one's even bothering to do.
462
00:26:48,945 --> 00:26:50,612
Tas went from a guy
463
00:26:50,614 --> 00:26:52,915
that was living in
the skate park at Tampa
464
00:26:52,917 --> 00:26:54,750
to a guy that started to pick up
465
00:26:54,752 --> 00:26:56,685
a bunch of really good sponsors.
466
00:26:56,687 --> 00:26:59,555
Ben, as well, during that
467
00:26:59,557 --> 00:27:03,092
had really stepped into
that arena just like Tas.
468
00:27:03,094 --> 00:27:05,594
They were both
so fucking gnarly.
469
00:27:11,434 --> 00:27:13,702
It took Ben a bit
to get used to the pressure
470
00:27:13,704 --> 00:27:16,438
of the world stage,
but once he did,
471
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,940
he just started killing it.
472
00:27:20,144 --> 00:27:22,511
I never thought about the money.
473
00:27:22,513 --> 00:27:25,180
I was just enjoying
going on tour
474
00:27:25,182 --> 00:27:28,517
and chicks and new
best friends in every city.
475
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:29,985
It was fun.
476
00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:37,159
Tas Pappas, ready to go.
477
00:27:37,161 --> 00:27:39,094
He's a feisty one.
478
00:27:39,096 --> 00:27:40,896
He is a feisty one...
479
00:27:40,898 --> 00:27:42,698
As the comp circuit went on,
480
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:45,100
I started realising
how weird it was getting.
481
00:27:45,102 --> 00:27:47,603
All of a sudden, it's ESPN
482
00:27:47,605 --> 00:27:50,739
and you got your Hawks
playing it up to the camera,
483
00:27:50,741 --> 00:27:53,108
really going, like,
full mainstream
484
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:55,043
Brady Bunch type stuff.
485
00:27:55,045 --> 00:27:57,579
It is skateboard vert,
486
00:27:57,581 --> 00:28:00,115
and it is Tony Hawk's turn.
487
00:28:00,117 --> 00:28:02,050
Can I go?
488
00:28:02,052 --> 00:28:05,387
Some X Games it was like,
'X Games welcomes Tony Hawk'
489
00:28:05,389 --> 00:28:07,089
like, he was fully in there
at ESPN.
490
00:28:07,091 --> 00:28:08,857
I think he married a chick
from ESPN.
491
00:28:08,859 --> 00:28:10,492
It was like he owned it!
492
00:28:10,494 --> 00:28:12,794
Pretty smart businessman,
I'd give him that.
493
00:28:12,796 --> 00:28:14,363
Tony Hawk,
494
00:28:14,365 --> 00:28:15,998
one of the greatest ever in
this sport.
495
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,133
He's got his own skateboard
company, he's into videos,
496
00:28:18,135 --> 00:28:20,669
even took a stab at directing
in our ESPN truck.
497
00:28:20,671 --> 00:28:23,038
Hey, I just have a question...
498
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,441
I thought, 'Yeah,
what is this? This isn't us.'
499
00:28:26,443 --> 00:28:28,644
Skateboarding
is about individuality,
500
00:28:28,646 --> 00:28:30,512
and they were taking that away.
501
00:28:30,514 --> 00:28:32,681
Whoa, nice.
502
00:28:32,683 --> 00:28:34,816
Is he going for something new?
503
00:28:34,818 --> 00:28:37,553
Some of the stuff I saw,
I remember shaking my head,
504
00:28:37,555 --> 00:28:41,123
just going, 'Wow, is this what
skating has turned into?'
505
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760
We've seen that he can fly high.
506
00:28:44,762 --> 00:28:48,063
Here he goes, scooting across
there. He's in the water!
507
00:28:49,934 --> 00:28:53,936
Hawk takes a swim,
and the crowd love that!
508
00:29:15,825 --> 00:29:19,461
If you want to be
a pro racer, where do you go?
509
00:29:19,463 --> 00:29:22,364
Indianapolis 500.
510
00:29:22,366 --> 00:29:24,766
You want to be an actor,
you go to Hollywood.
511
00:29:26,936 --> 00:29:29,271
Want to be model?
Go to fucking New York.
512
00:29:32,942 --> 00:29:34,810
You wanna be a pro skateboarder,
513
00:29:34,812 --> 00:29:36,411
you come to San Diego.
514
00:29:39,782 --> 00:29:42,117
I moved to California in '95
515
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,753
and ended up living with
Danny Way,
516
00:29:44,755 --> 00:29:46,121
and then those guys came out.
517
00:29:47,857 --> 00:29:49,992
It's not even that hard.
518
00:29:49,994 --> 00:29:51,927
As soon as me and Ben
519
00:29:51,929 --> 00:29:53,962
moved to San Diego,
we felt at home.
520
00:29:53,964 --> 00:29:56,165
Do it all the way. Should
go all the way forwards.
521
00:29:59,202 --> 00:30:01,970
Then when Danny and Colin
invited me and Ben
522
00:30:01,972 --> 00:30:03,872
to go skate the Plan B ramp
with them,
523
00:30:03,874 --> 00:30:05,107
we were just psyched.
524
00:30:05,109 --> 00:30:06,742
Yeah!
525
00:30:06,744 --> 00:30:08,777
It was just like hanging
with the boys.
526
00:30:08,779 --> 00:30:12,180
There was no fakeness going
on, you know?
527
00:30:12,182 --> 00:30:14,116
Cocky bastard.
528
00:30:16,686 --> 00:30:19,054
They were skating
with their hero, Danny.
529
00:30:19,056 --> 00:30:21,590
The level went up, huge.
530
00:30:21,592 --> 00:30:24,092
It was like, 'Holy fuck, dude,
did you see that?'
531
00:30:28,431 --> 00:30:32,134
Those guys fed off each other.
They were fucking competitive.
532
00:30:32,136 --> 00:30:33,969
Tas would be saying shit
to Danny
533
00:30:33,971 --> 00:30:35,871
and they'd get into arguments.
534
00:30:35,873 --> 00:30:39,107
'Fuck, I can't wait to see the
skateboarding go down!'
535
00:30:39,109 --> 00:30:40,676
And it went down.
536
00:30:40,678 --> 00:30:42,839
Ah, you trick thief.
Jake's been trying that.
537
00:30:54,991 --> 00:30:57,926
Then those guys ended up
living at the house
538
00:30:57,928 --> 00:31:02,464
and that was quite a...
You know.
539
00:31:02,466 --> 00:31:04,700
I don't know what to say.
540
00:31:12,175 --> 00:31:14,443
That was another mayhem,
541
00:31:14,445 --> 00:31:17,512
living at Danny's house -
it was just party time again.
542
00:31:17,514 --> 00:31:22,017
Me and Ben are chopping coke
non-stop, skating, partying.
543
00:31:22,019 --> 00:31:25,554
Just... You couldn't escape it
in those days,
544
00:31:25,556 --> 00:31:26,988
you know what I mean?
545
00:31:28,725 --> 00:31:31,893
The first time
me and Tas sat down,
546
00:31:31,895 --> 00:31:35,564
he took my brand-new bag of
weed and I look over
547
00:31:35,566 --> 00:31:39,134
and he's chopping it all up
with his cigarettes, you know,
548
00:31:39,136 --> 00:31:42,738
and, to me, that was disrespect.
549
00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:44,439
I was a little pissed.
550
00:31:44,441 --> 00:31:46,208
You know,
'That's my fucking weed.
551
00:31:46,210 --> 00:31:48,377
That's my brand-new bag
of weed, '
552
00:31:48,379 --> 00:31:50,846
and he's chopping it up,
making himself a mull.
553
00:31:50,848 --> 00:31:54,149
'It's a fucking mull, mate.'
Chopping it up.
554
00:31:54,151 --> 00:31:56,685
I don't really think it was
something he tried to do.
555
00:31:56,687 --> 00:32:02,157
I just think he was,
like, a natural asshole.
556
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:06,161
At the time, me and Danny were
starting a skateboard company
557
00:32:06,163 --> 00:32:08,063
called Platinum Skateboards
558
00:32:08,065 --> 00:32:11,099
and we wanted Tas and Ben
to be on the team.
559
00:32:11,101 --> 00:32:14,770
We started talking to them
and it was just on.
560
00:32:28,751 --> 00:32:31,119
Platinum was
a bloody dream team.
561
00:32:31,121 --> 00:32:34,923
It was a sick bloody team!
562
00:32:34,925 --> 00:32:38,827
Chet Thomas came on board
with us, Henry Sanchez,
563
00:32:38,829 --> 00:32:41,030
but the big drawcard
was me and Ben were together.
564
00:32:45,201 --> 00:32:47,669
Tas and Ben were acquaintances
565
00:32:47,671 --> 00:32:50,639
until I got on XYZ Platinum,
566
00:32:50,641 --> 00:32:52,908
and from that point,
we got pretty close.
567
00:32:52,910 --> 00:32:56,678
It opened up a different side
- For me, anyways,
568
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,613
because I was a street skater.
569
00:32:58,615 --> 00:33:02,484
Seeing those guys skating
vert, just going crazy,
570
00:33:02,486 --> 00:33:05,887
living the rock star lifestyle
was pretty awesome.
571
00:33:05,889 --> 00:33:07,889
You appreciate it
as a street skater
572
00:33:07,891 --> 00:33:09,991
'cause you don't get
that rock star status
573
00:33:09,993 --> 00:33:11,760
that the vert guys get.
574
00:33:11,762 --> 00:33:14,095
They do a couple of Mac Twists
and come off the ramp
575
00:33:14,097 --> 00:33:16,198
and literally girls are
surrounded.
576
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,066
Ben wasn't so much like that,
577
00:33:18,068 --> 00:33:20,936
but Tas indulged
in that lifestyle, you know.
578
00:33:23,506 --> 00:33:25,740
They both rode
for this new company.
579
00:33:25,742 --> 00:33:28,176
There was all this huge hype
surrounding them.
580
00:33:28,178 --> 00:33:30,479
They had this
really cool apartment
581
00:33:30,481 --> 00:33:32,581
just steps away from the beach.
582
00:33:32,583 --> 00:33:35,150
Tas's dad had come over
and started living with them,
583
00:33:35,152 --> 00:33:36,818
so that was really cool,
584
00:33:36,820 --> 00:33:39,754
and then the contest season
started to pick up
585
00:33:39,756 --> 00:33:42,457
in the vert world and there
were some big contests.
586
00:33:58,941 --> 00:34:02,878
Tas and Ben just killed
all the contests, you know.
587
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,514
They were powerhouses,
they come from Australia,
588
00:34:05,516 --> 00:34:08,049
and they just had
that Australian attitude
589
00:34:08,051 --> 00:34:09,384
of not giving a shit.
590
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:18,360
From Melbourne,
Australia, Tas Pappas!
591
00:34:20,997 --> 00:34:23,398
There was a bit of
push and pull all year
592
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,900
between me, Ben and Hawk.
593
00:34:24,902 --> 00:34:27,536
Tas Pappas opening the door.
594
00:34:27,538 --> 00:34:30,472
Kickflip indy. Wow!
595
00:34:30,474 --> 00:34:32,607
I just remember
going to each comp
596
00:34:32,609 --> 00:34:34,209
and we'd be doing latest tricks.
597
00:34:34,211 --> 00:34:36,111
Tas really had a good run.
598
00:34:36,113 --> 00:34:39,548
Hawk was still
just doing his normal stuff.
599
00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:41,883
He wasn't flipping his board
or any of that stuff,
600
00:34:41,885 --> 00:34:43,919
and he would be winning
the comps still.
601
00:34:43,921 --> 00:34:45,554
We were a bit mind-boggled.
602
00:34:45,556 --> 00:34:47,989
And the judges scored a 90.
603
00:34:47,991 --> 00:34:49,691
That means we are deadlocked
604
00:34:49,693 --> 00:34:52,394
and we will have a run-off
for the championship.
605
00:34:52,396 --> 00:34:54,062
He's an amazing skater.
606
00:34:54,064 --> 00:34:56,831
I don't particularly like
his style.
607
00:34:56,833 --> 00:34:59,367
He just wasn't doing
the latest moves
608
00:34:59,369 --> 00:35:01,570
and it was a bit hard to cop
at times, you know.
609
00:35:06,509 --> 00:35:10,045
Oh, incredible!
Outstanding run by Ben.
610
00:35:10,047 --> 00:35:11,947
Then all of a sudden,
Ben went off.
611
00:35:11,949 --> 00:35:15,083
I think he got three firsts
in a row or something.
612
00:35:15,085 --> 00:35:17,519
He was just on this roll
at one point.
613
00:35:17,521 --> 00:35:18,987
Oh, my goodness!
614
00:35:18,989 --> 00:35:20,922
Ben Pappas
is the best skateboarder
615
00:35:20,924 --> 00:35:22,457
in the world right now.
616
00:35:22,459 --> 00:35:25,660
- You've got to be stoked.
- I'm stoked as.
617
00:35:25,662 --> 00:35:27,629
I was like, 'He beat me
again.'
618
00:35:27,631 --> 00:35:29,965
Then I'd beat him and
he's like, 'Grr, next comp.'
619
00:35:29,967 --> 00:35:31,666
Like, brotherly push.
620
00:35:31,668 --> 00:35:33,802
It was always been like that
since day one.
621
00:35:33,804 --> 00:35:37,005
Another fakie
into a 720. Holy cow!
622
00:35:37,007 --> 00:35:38,640
It got to a point
623
00:35:38,642 --> 00:35:40,709
we weren't even thinking
about anyone else.
624
00:35:40,711 --> 00:35:42,544
Hawk wasn't in there.
625
00:35:42,546 --> 00:35:44,946
It was just about pushing each
other further and further.
626
00:35:48,918 --> 00:35:51,853
We've been entering contests
ever since we were kids.
627
00:35:51,855 --> 00:35:53,822
It's all the same
when it comes down to it.
628
00:35:53,824 --> 00:35:56,224
It's just a contest. You're
there, you gotta do your best.
629
00:36:05,668 --> 00:36:07,736
I was told on the day
630
00:36:07,738 --> 00:36:13,508
'You and Ben are one point
apart from No.1 in the world.'
631
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:17,178
Ben just had to place higher
and he'd have had it.
632
00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:20,815
The crowd, are you guys ready?
633
00:36:22,486 --> 00:36:27,088
1996, Hard Rock Café
Vans World Championships.
634
00:36:32,828 --> 00:36:35,664
Tony Hawk
is banging trick after trick.
635
00:36:35,666 --> 00:36:38,767
Not a lot of skateboarders are
able to do what he is doing.
636
00:36:38,769 --> 00:36:40,769
Hawk did his normal run,
637
00:36:40,771 --> 00:36:44,105
which is a good run,
but it wasn't, like... great.
638
00:36:44,107 --> 00:36:47,142
Although
he does do a lot of tricks,
639
00:36:47,144 --> 00:36:49,778
the level of intensity
wasn't quite as high
640
00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:51,346
as some of the other skaters.
641
00:36:52,782 --> 00:36:54,883
Ben Pappas dropping in,
642
00:36:54,885 --> 00:36:58,486
dropping straight
into a huge kickflip indy.
643
00:36:58,488 --> 00:37:00,822
Winner of three previous events
644
00:37:00,824 --> 00:37:02,590
coming into this contest.
645
00:37:02,592 --> 00:37:04,426
It was a long, hard season
646
00:37:04,428 --> 00:37:06,748
and Ben has a tweaked lower
back, so he was struggling.
647
00:37:08,831 --> 00:37:11,066
So I decided it was up to me.
648
00:37:11,068 --> 00:37:13,601
I figured
I just had to Barnes it,
649
00:37:13,603 --> 00:37:15,904
and Barnesed it is what I did.
650
00:37:15,906 --> 00:37:18,373
Tas! Yeah!
651
00:37:38,461 --> 00:37:41,029
Let's give a little applause
for Tas Pappas right now.
652
00:37:41,031 --> 00:37:42,363
He's our No.1 qualifier.
653
00:38:08,023 --> 00:38:10,859
Hawk was a very smart
competition skater.
654
00:38:10,861 --> 00:38:13,862
He's a chess master
on a skateboard
655
00:38:13,864 --> 00:38:15,864
as far as a comp run
is concerned.
656
00:38:15,866 --> 00:38:17,746
But I wasn't interested in that.
657
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:31,179
I did my stuff
and I slammed on a 720
658
00:38:31,181 --> 00:38:33,348
and slid out and went bang.
659
00:38:36,685 --> 00:38:38,787
I knew straight away
I had broken my rib,
660
00:38:38,789 --> 00:38:42,557
but it didn't matter 'cause
I'd already done my best run
661
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:44,526
so I didn't think
I had to skate again.
662
00:38:44,528 --> 00:38:46,561
Was that enough
to beat Tony Hawk?
663
00:38:46,563 --> 00:38:48,563
What do you think?
What do you think?
664
00:38:58,374 --> 00:39:02,544
That is a dead tie,
so we are headed for a run-off
665
00:39:02,546 --> 00:39:04,813
with Tony Hawk and Tas Pappas.
666
00:39:04,815 --> 00:39:06,481
I didn't believe it.
667
00:39:06,483 --> 00:39:09,350
I was saying, 'Oh, my God,
what more can I do?'
668
00:39:09,352 --> 00:39:11,586
I remember Ben going off
to the judges,
669
00:39:11,588 --> 00:39:13,354
'How the hell is it
a head-to-head?
670
00:39:13,356 --> 00:39:14,989
He did kickflips 10ft high!'
671
00:39:14,991 --> 00:39:16,991
Now I gotta try again?
672
00:39:16,993 --> 00:39:18,993
And it was even harder
in the head-to-head
673
00:39:18,995 --> 00:39:21,396
because he would just be going
540, 540, 540, 540,
674
00:39:21,398 --> 00:39:23,631
air to fakie, 720, 540, 540,
grind, grind, grind.
675
00:39:23,633 --> 00:39:24,933
You know what I mean?
676
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:29,904
Well, in situations like this,
677
00:39:29,906 --> 00:39:32,473
you always have to favour
the veteran of the sport -
678
00:39:32,475 --> 00:39:34,142
he's been here before.
679
00:39:34,144 --> 00:39:36,544
Tony just doesn't fault.
680
00:39:40,449 --> 00:39:44,419
Tony dropped in, did his
run and did every single trick
681
00:39:44,421 --> 00:39:47,488
that he was pretty much
doing that day.
682
00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:49,023
I thought he had it in the bag.
683
00:39:49,025 --> 00:39:51,759
I thought,
'Tony's definitely got it.'
684
00:40:06,742 --> 00:40:09,077
I was on top of the roll in...
685
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:11,713
..and I'm like, 'What have I
got to lose now?'
686
00:40:11,715 --> 00:40:15,049
My rib's already broken so
I may as well just go for it.
687
00:40:15,051 --> 00:40:18,653
If I didn't win, I just wanted
to be known as the guy
688
00:40:18,655 --> 00:40:22,423
who went completely ballistic.
689
00:40:22,425 --> 00:40:24,759
Are you ready for Tas Pappas?
690
00:40:24,761 --> 00:40:28,129
Look at that, just going giant!
691
00:40:32,468 --> 00:40:34,235
Oh, my goodness!
692
00:40:34,237 --> 00:40:36,237
Oh, my God.
693
00:40:42,678 --> 00:40:45,647
Fakie, 540 to fakie, one of
the hardest tricks you can do.
694
00:40:47,082 --> 00:40:49,751
Oh!
695
00:40:49,753 --> 00:40:54,923
That was amazing. Going to be
a tough call for the judges.
696
00:40:54,925 --> 00:40:57,659
Was that enough
to beat Tony Hawk?
697
00:40:57,661 --> 00:40:59,661
- What do you think?
698
00:41:03,132 --> 00:41:05,967
Well, it's kind of déjà vu
in Las Vegas,
699
00:41:05,969 --> 00:41:09,470
Tony Hawk and Tas Pappas
went head-to-head for a final.
700
00:41:09,472 --> 00:41:11,606
They did it again today,
as you saw,
701
00:41:11,608 --> 00:41:13,708
and I'm gonna tell him
for the first time.
702
00:41:13,710 --> 00:41:15,443
Tas, you're the champion,
703
00:41:15,445 --> 00:41:17,946
I don't know if you know that,
but you won the contest.
704
00:41:17,948 --> 00:41:20,148
- Did I? No...
- You won the contest.
705
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:22,684
- You're serious?
- Yes, you did.
706
00:41:22,686 --> 00:41:24,452
- Nah.
707
00:41:24,454 --> 00:41:27,088
An unbelievable reaction
because I know, Tas...
708
00:41:27,090 --> 00:41:28,723
I didn't believe it.
709
00:41:28,725 --> 00:41:30,558
I thought they were
taking the piss.
710
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,061
Then after that, I was like,
'No way.'
711
00:41:33,063 --> 00:41:36,197
Are you stoked right now? What
are you thinking right now?
712
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,533
- You're in disbelief.
- I don't believe you.
713
00:41:45,541 --> 00:41:48,309
It felt sick!
You're at the top.
714
00:41:50,012 --> 00:41:51,913
You're on the best teams,
715
00:41:51,915 --> 00:41:54,015
you're affiliated
with the best guys,
716
00:41:54,017 --> 00:41:55,683
winning comps.
717
00:41:55,685 --> 00:41:58,419
That was the goal -
to be there, to do that.
718
00:41:59,922 --> 00:42:02,023
It was bloody amazing really.
719
00:42:02,025 --> 00:42:05,526
When they called
it, it was like, 'Holy shit!'
720
00:42:05,528 --> 00:42:07,095
Yeah, that was amazing.
721
00:42:07,097 --> 00:42:11,699
I will never forget the day.
I was just blown away.
722
00:42:11,701 --> 00:42:14,902
Afterwards, Hawk
was sort of angry and cut,
723
00:42:14,904 --> 00:42:17,638
and he came up and he's
looked at me, he's like,
724
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,675
'Uh, I just feel like
I should have won that.'
725
00:42:20,677 --> 00:42:23,845
Then Ben's just come out,
going, 'Fuck off, Hawk.
726
00:42:23,847 --> 00:42:27,115
All year, they have been
giving you the comps
727
00:42:27,117 --> 00:42:31,119
and you come to us, "Uh,
I think I should have won!"'
728
00:42:31,121 --> 00:42:34,722
And Ben goes,
'Why can't you just be happy
729
00:42:34,724 --> 00:42:37,025
for someone else
who's done it, man?
730
00:42:37,027 --> 00:42:38,793
You don't flip your board!'
731
00:42:38,795 --> 00:42:42,563
He goes, 'Fuck off, old man.
You're over.'
732
00:42:42,565 --> 00:42:45,600
Because Ben went to bat for me
so hard,
733
00:42:45,602 --> 00:42:48,536
I was thinking,
'Do I do the right thing here?
734
00:42:48,538 --> 00:42:50,405
No, Ben.'
735
00:42:50,407 --> 00:42:52,573
I couldn't leave Ben with it
and have Hawk hate Ben's guts
736
00:42:52,575 --> 00:42:54,175
and not hate my guts
at the same time.
737
00:42:54,177 --> 00:42:56,377
'If my brother's going off
for me this hard,
738
00:42:56,379 --> 00:42:58,112
I won't have him
look like the only dick.
739
00:42:58,114 --> 00:42:59,714
I'll be a dick with him.
740
00:42:59,716 --> 00:43:01,749
Yeah, fuck off, Hawk,
you fucking wanker!
741
00:43:01,751 --> 00:43:04,886
You can't even flip your
board, you old prick.'
742
00:43:04,888 --> 00:43:10,425
And that's one of the things
that led to our feud.
743
00:43:10,427 --> 00:43:13,161
Tas did a really good job
at burning bridges.
744
00:43:13,163 --> 00:43:16,831
You know, he thoroughly would
burn down the bridge.
745
00:43:16,833 --> 00:43:19,667
It wasn't like he stepped on
someone's toes
746
00:43:19,669 --> 00:43:23,037
and then worked it out with
them or anything -
747
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:24,739
he would step on your toes,
748
00:43:24,741 --> 00:43:26,621
spit in your face
and, 'Fuck you!'
749
00:43:30,012 --> 00:43:32,713
No, it's not New York.
750
00:43:32,715 --> 00:43:34,782
It's Melbourne's Prahran
skate ramp
751
00:43:34,784 --> 00:43:38,519
where the Pappas brothers have
come home to a hero's welcome.
752
00:43:38,521 --> 00:43:40,888
I've had tapes of them
when they were younger.
753
00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:42,757
They weren't as good.
754
00:43:42,759 --> 00:43:44,926
And now they've reached the
top and they're the best now.
755
00:43:44,928 --> 00:43:47,528
They've got the technique,
everything, soul,
756
00:43:47,530 --> 00:43:50,498
whatever it takes, they've
got it and they did it.
757
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:52,967
Tas Pappas
and his younger brother Ben
758
00:43:52,969 --> 00:43:57,105
are now the world's No.1 and 2
ranked skateboarders.
759
00:43:57,107 --> 00:43:58,973
I just did it to pass time
760
00:43:58,975 --> 00:44:01,542
and then it started working
out for the better.
761
00:44:01,544 --> 00:44:04,178
I couldn't believe it
myself, you know.
762
00:44:04,180 --> 00:44:07,682
I thought they would probably
get in the top ten or five,
763
00:44:07,684 --> 00:44:11,452
but I never expected them
to take it that far.
764
00:44:11,454 --> 00:44:14,088
I am a professional athlete.
I'm about to do an interview.
765
00:44:14,090 --> 00:44:16,090
We went back home to celebrate.
766
00:44:16,092 --> 00:44:17,859
We were just on such a high,
767
00:44:17,861 --> 00:44:19,760
we just didn't want the party
to end.
768
00:44:19,762 --> 00:44:23,698
Everywhere we went, we had a
few casual lines of coke,
769
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:26,901
which turned into
three weeks at a time.
770
00:44:26,903 --> 00:44:28,636
Yeah, it was party time.
771
00:44:28,638 --> 00:44:30,671
Come in, James, are you there?
772
00:44:30,673 --> 00:44:33,908
Tas Pappas, everyone,
give him a round of applause!
773
00:44:36,513 --> 00:44:39,714
Tas, can I ask a question?
You are world champion.
774
00:44:39,716 --> 00:44:41,782
You won the $10,000 prize or so
775
00:44:41,784 --> 00:44:43,551
recently up against Tony Hawk
776
00:44:43,553 --> 00:44:45,019
and you did it
with a broken rib.
777
00:44:45,021 --> 00:44:46,787
How did that happen?
778
00:44:46,789 --> 00:44:51,759
That was in my final run.
I slammed and smacked my ribs.
779
00:44:51,761 --> 00:44:54,829
Watching TV and Hey,
Hey, It's Saturday came on,
780
00:44:54,831 --> 00:44:56,597
and I saw Ben and Tas,
781
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:59,400
and I went, 'Oh, my God!'
782
00:44:59,402 --> 00:45:02,003
They were completely bonkers.
783
00:45:02,005 --> 00:45:03,671
This is Tas's brother, Ben.
784
00:45:03,673 --> 00:45:05,640
They were just all pumped up,
785
00:45:05,642 --> 00:45:08,142
egos were flying
and high as fuck.
786
00:45:08,144 --> 00:45:10,077
..brother on the world circuit
with you?
787
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,480
I'm stoked to have Tas
on the world tour. It's rad.
788
00:45:12,482 --> 00:45:14,048
We get to cruise around, skate.
789
00:45:14,050 --> 00:45:15,516
Yeah, I think he likes it too.
790
00:45:15,518 --> 00:45:18,853
A whole new lingo thing
going on here.
791
00:45:18,855 --> 00:45:20,621
Thank the boys
792
00:45:20,623 --> 00:45:22,156
for showing us what they do.
793
00:45:22,158 --> 00:45:24,859
We're proud to have the
No.1 and No.2 in the world.
794
00:45:24,861 --> 00:45:26,494
Yeah, these guys rock.
795
00:45:26,496 --> 00:45:28,362
- Whoa!
- Heavy slam!
796
00:45:33,802 --> 00:45:35,069
Tas!
797
00:45:36,672 --> 00:45:38,172
Hey, Tas.
798
00:45:38,174 --> 00:45:40,708
What's in your mouth?
799
00:45:43,580 --> 00:45:45,980
I was training
with Danny's trainer.
800
00:45:45,982 --> 00:45:49,750
I just was feeling pain and he
did a full check on my body,
801
00:45:49,752 --> 00:45:51,652
X-rayed everything
802
00:45:51,654 --> 00:45:53,895
and then it turned I out
I had spondylolisthesis.
803
00:45:55,524 --> 00:45:58,459
Spondylolisthesis
is where the vertebrae
804
00:45:58,461 --> 00:45:59,827
breaks off the wings.
805
00:45:59,829 --> 00:46:01,696
My spinal cord
was jammed down the bottom.
806
00:46:01,698 --> 00:46:05,433
He told Danny,
'Don't force Tas to skate.
807
00:46:05,435 --> 00:46:07,501
He'll end up paralysed.'
808
00:46:07,503 --> 00:46:09,870
He told him, 'He needs some
time to get strong'.
809
00:46:09,872 --> 00:46:12,106
I ended up paying him ten
grand to do my physio.
810
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:15,376
Do you want a Jack-and-coke?
811
00:46:15,378 --> 00:46:18,813
When I'd get injured,
I'd just go party,
812
00:46:18,815 --> 00:46:20,982
I'm not going to sit at home
doing this and that.
813
00:46:20,984 --> 00:46:22,617
I'd just get on it.
814
00:46:22,619 --> 00:46:25,052
What are you going to do
when you're young,
815
00:46:25,054 --> 00:46:26,787
you've been on top of the world,
816
00:46:26,789 --> 00:46:29,690
you've got major injury,
you're thinking this and that?
817
00:46:29,692 --> 00:46:31,459
You're going to party,
aren't you?
818
00:46:31,461 --> 00:46:33,494
Once you've already
got a habit, why stop?
819
00:46:33,496 --> 00:46:35,096
You've got money,
you've got this,
820
00:46:35,098 --> 00:46:37,018
you think
it's never going to end.
821
00:46:38,533 --> 00:46:41,535
Going from
nothing and then making money
822
00:46:41,537 --> 00:46:44,639
and you're that young
and you're in a foreign land,
823
00:46:44,641 --> 00:46:45,906
it's got to be weird.
824
00:46:45,908 --> 00:46:48,576
All of a sudden you can do shit.
825
00:46:48,578 --> 00:46:51,412
When those guys started making
a lot of money,
826
00:46:51,414 --> 00:46:54,515
they got a nice house,
they were cruising around
827
00:46:54,517 --> 00:46:56,784
and having a good fucking time
for a while.
828
00:46:56,786 --> 00:46:58,519
Everything was great.
829
00:46:58,521 --> 00:47:02,690
But then...
fucking doing drugs and stuff,
830
00:47:02,692 --> 00:47:04,625
that definitely fucks you up.
831
00:47:04,627 --> 00:47:06,761
Everyone looks better in gold.
The gold rim.
832
00:47:06,763 --> 00:47:08,829
I would always have
tonnes of coke on me.
833
00:47:08,831 --> 00:47:10,731
I had a pound of coke
at one time
834
00:47:10,733 --> 00:47:12,433
just sitting in my dresser,
835
00:47:12,435 --> 00:47:14,802
Didn't even think
if I got caught I'd get time.
836
00:47:14,804 --> 00:47:16,671
I remember waking up
in the mornings,
837
00:47:16,673 --> 00:47:18,139
I had a big brick of this shit,
838
00:47:18,141 --> 00:47:20,608
and I had a mad knife
in my top dresser.
839
00:47:20,610 --> 00:47:22,143
I'd wake up,
and it was sharp as,
840
00:47:22,145 --> 00:47:24,045
and I'd just scrape
the top of the brick
841
00:47:24,047 --> 00:47:25,680
and then...
842
00:47:25,682 --> 00:47:27,148
Straight off the knife,
843
00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:29,183
and just have it sitting there
at all times.
844
00:47:29,185 --> 00:47:33,454
Lee Ralph came over and
I'd break off a good chunk,
845
00:47:33,456 --> 00:47:35,489
and do it until it was gone.
846
00:47:35,491 --> 00:47:38,626
I liked to buy in bulk
back in those days.
847
00:47:41,396 --> 00:47:43,764
Those fucking guys went nuts.
848
00:47:43,766 --> 00:47:46,667
Going over to their house
to pick up Tas
849
00:47:46,669 --> 00:47:50,738
to go film with him one night,
and he's doing coke.
850
00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:53,074
There was a mound of it.
It looked like Scarface.
851
00:47:53,076 --> 00:47:55,443
I mean, it was, like,
a mound of cocaine.
852
00:47:55,445 --> 00:47:57,378
Like, 'Hey, Lance,
want to do some?'
853
00:47:57,380 --> 00:48:00,214
And I'm like, 'All right.'
854
00:48:06,388 --> 00:48:08,089
He'd bring some along with him
855
00:48:08,091 --> 00:48:10,825
and we're driving
to the Plan B ramp
856
00:48:10,827 --> 00:48:13,794
and we get pulled over
by the cops.
857
00:48:13,796 --> 00:48:16,430
Get out of the car.
858
00:48:16,432 --> 00:48:18,833
I'm like,
'Oh, shit, dude.'
859
00:48:18,835 --> 00:48:21,135
I know he's got it with him.
860
00:48:21,137 --> 00:48:23,604
Get your driver's licence out.
861
00:48:23,606 --> 00:48:25,606
They're like,
'What are you guys doing?'
862
00:48:25,608 --> 00:48:27,041
'We're about
to skate a ramp.'
863
00:48:27,043 --> 00:48:28,776
The cops are like,
'Yeah, right.'
864
00:48:28,778 --> 00:48:30,811
I'm like, 'Look,
there's the skateboard,
865
00:48:30,813 --> 00:48:32,813
all the pads.
Want to watch?'
866
00:48:32,815 --> 00:48:34,982
What's this contraption on here?
867
00:48:34,984 --> 00:48:36,817
- It's a skateboard.
- A what?
868
00:48:36,819 --> 00:48:38,652
We got away with that one
869
00:48:38,654 --> 00:48:41,489
and I'm like, 'Fuck, man, we
almost got busted for that.'
870
00:48:41,491 --> 00:48:42,890
That's when I was like,
871
00:48:42,892 --> 00:48:45,726
'Man, you've got to stop
doing that shit.'
872
00:48:45,728 --> 00:48:47,795
Let me film all this shit.
873
00:48:47,797 --> 00:48:49,430
I'll fucking film it.
874
00:48:56,605 --> 00:48:58,873
There was definitely
875
00:48:58,875 --> 00:49:01,776
more partying that went on
than skateboarding,
876
00:49:01,778 --> 00:49:05,746
and Tas became impossible
to deal with.
877
00:49:05,748 --> 00:49:08,616
You fucking rule, mate.
878
00:49:08,618 --> 00:49:11,752
I'm the same as you guys.
We all skate. We skate.
879
00:49:11,754 --> 00:49:13,120
Yeah!
880
00:49:13,122 --> 00:49:16,590
I'm just the same.
I just got lucky.
881
00:49:16,592 --> 00:49:20,528
I could be God fucking...
882
00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:24,498
Fact of the matter is it's
the skaters for the skaters
883
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:27,668
and fucking Platinum
is for the skaters.
884
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:29,703
- Yeah!
- You guys rule.
885
00:49:29,705 --> 00:49:32,139
The Vegas
contest we all went out to,
886
00:49:32,141 --> 00:49:36,977
I remember Tas getting so
wasted and so belligerent
887
00:49:36,979 --> 00:49:38,946
he didn't even skate
the contest.
888
00:49:42,652 --> 00:49:44,552
- Who rules?
889
00:49:44,554 --> 00:49:46,086
- Who rules?
890
00:49:46,088 --> 00:49:48,456
He went up
on top of the platform
891
00:49:48,458 --> 00:49:50,124
and we had a box of XYZ stuff
892
00:49:50,126 --> 00:49:53,594
he was throwing out to the
crowd during a contest run.
893
00:49:57,999 --> 00:50:02,536
The main chick that ran the
contest tried to stop him.
894
00:50:02,538 --> 00:50:05,940
He's called her a cunt, told
her to fuck off, you know.
895
00:50:05,942 --> 00:50:10,110
It got the crowd away
from the contest, chanting.
896
00:50:14,116 --> 00:50:16,717
Louder!
897
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,986
He disrupted the whole event.
898
00:50:18,988 --> 00:50:20,921
At the time he was so drunk,
899
00:50:20,923 --> 00:50:23,557
I don't think he saw really
what he was doing.
900
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:26,727
He was just stoked on the
energy that he was creating.
901
00:50:26,729 --> 00:50:30,664
X-Y-Z! Platinum!
902
00:50:32,435 --> 00:50:34,101
Platinum!
903
00:50:34,103 --> 00:50:36,871
Everywhere Tas went was
like a fucking tornado, man.
904
00:50:36,873 --> 00:50:38,839
He just truly
didn't give a shit.
905
00:50:38,841 --> 00:50:42,543
XYZ, Platinum!
Or I'll fuck your mum!
906
00:50:42,545 --> 00:50:44,945
I'll fuck your mum.
907
00:50:44,947 --> 00:50:47,648
Tommy was like,
'Why aren't you skating?'
908
00:50:47,650 --> 00:50:49,917
I think he was starting
to confuse the issue
909
00:50:49,919 --> 00:50:52,386
with my partying as to
just not wanting to skate.
910
00:50:53,922 --> 00:50:57,691
That's when the downfall
started.
911
00:50:57,693 --> 00:51:00,160
Right there was when
it started to go sour.
912
00:51:09,938 --> 00:51:12,172
We just had good times.
913
00:51:12,174 --> 00:51:15,109
We drank a lot, smoked a
lot of weed and just partied.
914
00:51:15,111 --> 00:51:16,210
Had a good time.
915
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:21,782
Me, Ben and Sanchez
were always smoking bongs,
916
00:51:21,784 --> 00:51:24,385
doing snow cones, smoking coke.
917
00:51:27,622 --> 00:51:30,157
We thought that the money
was never going to stop.
918
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,993
I was No.1 in the world
and Danny Way had his name,
919
00:51:32,995 --> 00:51:35,115
and we were killing it
and we were rock stars.
920
00:51:39,135 --> 00:51:43,170
- Holy shit!
921
00:51:43,172 --> 00:51:46,240
- He just went off.
- That was fucking insane.
922
00:51:46,242 --> 00:51:47,908
I thought I'd get burned.
923
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:50,111
I thought this house was
going up in flames, dude.
924
00:51:58,653 --> 00:52:00,854
When you start making
a lot of money,
925
00:52:00,856 --> 00:52:02,856
a lot of shit
comes along with that.
926
00:52:02,858 --> 00:52:07,595
People get ego-driven
and greedy.
927
00:52:07,597 --> 00:52:10,998
You get a shitload of people
that pretend to be your friend
928
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,566
just to get stuff out of you,
929
00:52:12,568 --> 00:52:14,435
especially where money
is involved.
930
00:52:14,437 --> 00:52:15,970
Shit can get pretty messy.
931
00:52:17,038 --> 00:52:19,640
Oh, my God!
932
00:52:19,642 --> 00:52:21,375
- Jesus!
933
00:52:26,881 --> 00:52:29,750
There was
no direction in the company.
934
00:52:29,752 --> 00:52:32,219
How you survive in
skateboarding is basically
935
00:52:32,221 --> 00:52:34,088
you get a good team
and you film a video
936
00:52:34,090 --> 00:52:36,523
and you make good products.
It's that simple.
937
00:52:36,525 --> 00:52:38,759
But there was no direction
at all.
938
00:52:38,761 --> 00:52:42,463
Danny would send me to San
Diego to skate and film,
939
00:52:42,465 --> 00:52:45,432
and I would skate vert,
I am a street skater.
940
00:52:45,434 --> 00:52:49,236
So... nothing was very
organised at all.
941
00:52:54,876 --> 00:52:57,544
It seemed like XYZ
all of a sudden,
942
00:52:57,546 --> 00:53:00,814
which was part of Platinum,
they had built this huge ramp,
943
00:53:00,816 --> 00:53:03,617
one of the first really big
ramps, at this warehouse.
944
00:53:03,619 --> 00:53:07,755
Now these guys had this really
gnarly practice facility
945
00:53:07,757 --> 00:53:10,491
or vert ramp to themselves.
946
00:53:10,493 --> 00:53:11,825
Everyone was like, 'What?'
947
00:53:11,827 --> 00:53:13,747
You'd never seen anything
like that.
948
00:53:15,964 --> 00:53:18,799
Danny and Tommy
never listened to budgets,
949
00:53:18,801 --> 00:53:20,501
and then the investors are like,
950
00:53:20,503 --> 00:53:22,536
'What's going on with the
money from XYZ?'
951
00:53:22,538 --> 00:53:23,937
It was just dwindling away.
952
00:53:23,939 --> 00:53:26,106
And I couldn't skate
because of the back,
953
00:53:26,108 --> 00:53:28,142
but I was still blinded
by the light,
954
00:53:28,144 --> 00:53:30,577
sniffing the lines of coke
from hell.
955
00:53:30,579 --> 00:53:32,459
'Yeah, whatever, I'm the
best.'
956
00:53:37,085 --> 00:53:39,953
I disagreed
with the money-spending thing.
957
00:53:39,955 --> 00:53:41,889
I thought it was stupid.
958
00:53:41,891 --> 00:53:43,791
Fucking buying dumb shit
and I'm like,
959
00:53:43,793 --> 00:53:47,828
'We don't need that.
We're a young company.'
960
00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:51,498
It felt like they expected me
to be 'Fuck, let's go for it.'
961
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:53,033
No.
962
00:53:53,035 --> 00:53:54,935
You need to put the money back
into the company.
963
00:53:54,937 --> 00:53:58,472
You don't start buying
fucking vans
964
00:53:58,474 --> 00:54:02,710
and stupid shit we don't need
and partying and... Eugh.
965
00:54:02,712 --> 00:54:05,112
I just wanted to make it
in skateboarding,
966
00:54:05,114 --> 00:54:06,955
and that's why I got out of it.
967
00:54:09,751 --> 00:54:11,618
They came and picked me up,
968
00:54:11,620 --> 00:54:13,153
took me for a drive
969
00:54:13,155 --> 00:54:16,623
and Danny and Tommy
were in the car.
970
00:54:16,625 --> 00:54:20,027
They said 'Listen, we're gonna
have to let you go.
971
00:54:20,029 --> 00:54:23,630
Platinum is no more.
972
00:54:23,632 --> 00:54:26,400
There's just no more money.
973
00:54:26,402 --> 00:54:29,870
And we hate to break it to you,
974
00:54:29,872 --> 00:54:32,639
but your dad embezzled
the money, he took the money.
975
00:54:32,641 --> 00:54:34,742
There's just no more money.'
976
00:54:34,744 --> 00:54:36,143
I went, 'What?'
977
00:54:36,145 --> 00:54:38,946
I was in the car going,
'You're fucking kidding.
978
00:54:38,948 --> 00:54:41,749
My dad wouldn't take money.
What are you talking about?'
979
00:54:41,751 --> 00:54:43,217
They fully tried to say
980
00:54:43,219 --> 00:54:45,018
my dad stole all the money
from the company,
981
00:54:45,020 --> 00:54:46,687
and then it got out
in the industry
982
00:54:46,689 --> 00:54:48,655
that that's what was said
about my dad
983
00:54:48,657 --> 00:54:49,790
and I wasn't having that.
984
00:54:52,026 --> 00:54:54,995
Kicking him
off the team wasn't easy.
985
00:54:54,997 --> 00:54:57,097
It was like, I had to deal
with this guy
986
00:54:57,099 --> 00:55:01,168
and it would now turn
into a little personal war.
987
00:55:01,170 --> 00:55:05,773
I felt at the time
I've put a lot into him,
988
00:55:05,775 --> 00:55:07,908
I helped him out
as much as I could
989
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:12,012
and he thoroughly, I felt,
fucked us over.
990
00:55:15,483 --> 00:55:18,385
I had a lot of resentment
and a lot of frustration
991
00:55:18,387 --> 00:55:20,053
and anger towards him
992
00:55:20,055 --> 00:55:21,789
where I wanted to fuck him up.
993
00:55:28,763 --> 00:55:30,898
We were sitting
at our house one night.
994
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:34,101
Next thing you know we hear
boom, boom on my roof.
995
00:55:34,103 --> 00:55:38,172
I go outside
and it's a fucking beer bottle
996
00:55:38,174 --> 00:55:40,140
with a sock on fire
and full of petrol.
997
00:55:40,142 --> 00:55:41,842
Lucky it didn't break.
998
00:55:41,844 --> 00:55:45,045
We heard fast footsteps.
It sounded like little legs.
999
00:55:45,047 --> 00:55:46,847
And Tommy has got little legs.
1000
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:50,083
He tried to petrol bomb
the house.
1001
00:55:50,085 --> 00:55:53,420
I thought
'Fuck, this guy's off tap.'
1002
00:55:53,422 --> 00:55:58,025
I did things on my end
to let him know that
1003
00:55:58,027 --> 00:56:00,027
'I wanted you fucking
out of here, man.
1004
00:56:00,029 --> 00:56:03,130
We helped you get here
and you can leave now.'
1005
00:56:03,132 --> 00:56:05,599
We need to get the ball
rolling, all right?
1006
00:56:05,601 --> 00:56:06,900
All right.
1007
00:56:06,902 --> 00:56:08,802
Jump in off that
and go right here, OK?
1008
00:56:08,804 --> 00:56:10,365
OK, mate.
1009
00:56:12,006 --> 00:56:18,045
XYZ Platinum
both had fallen apart...
1010
00:56:18,047 --> 00:56:21,748
..and then sort of quickly
from everyone being
1011
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:24,117
this sort of band of brothers
mentality,
1012
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:27,054
there seemed to be
this huge falling-out
1013
00:56:27,056 --> 00:56:29,590
between Tas and Danny.
1014
00:56:29,592 --> 00:56:31,925
Then all of a sudden,
it was, like, cut ties
1015
00:56:31,927 --> 00:56:33,894
and Tas and Ben
were not even allowed
1016
00:56:33,896 --> 00:56:35,829
to skate the ramp any more.
1017
00:56:35,831 --> 00:56:38,398
It turned kind of ugly
really fast.
1018
00:56:40,501 --> 00:56:42,736
I started thinking,
'This is crap.
1019
00:56:42,738 --> 00:56:44,938
Is this really what
skateboarding is all about,
1020
00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:46,940
just backstabbing bullshit
over money?'
1021
00:56:46,942 --> 00:56:50,077
I hated it and Ben hated it.
1022
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:51,879
We'd be talking and Ben says,
1023
00:56:51,881 --> 00:56:53,914
'I can't handle the fakeness
over here.'
1024
00:56:53,916 --> 00:56:56,250
So he decided to go home
for a while.
1025
00:56:59,721 --> 00:57:02,055
We dropped Ben off at LAX.
1026
00:57:02,057 --> 00:57:06,493
So I slept in and then I woke
up to the phone ringing,
1027
00:57:06,495 --> 00:57:10,564
and it was Ben
at Melbourne Airport.
1028
00:57:10,566 --> 00:57:13,901
And all I heard Ben say was,
'Tas, I fucked up.'
1029
00:57:16,371 --> 00:57:19,106
Ben Pappas was
arrested at Melbourne Airport.
1030
00:57:19,108 --> 00:57:21,842
His credit card triggered
a high cocaine reading.
1031
00:57:21,844 --> 00:57:24,611
X-rays of his sneakers
revealed
1032
00:57:24,613 --> 00:57:29,750
103g of cocaine with a street
value of more than $50,000
1033
00:57:29,752 --> 00:57:31,184
concealed in the sole.
1034
00:57:31,186 --> 00:57:33,487
Ben Pappas and his brother, Tas,
1035
00:57:33,489 --> 00:57:36,690
are youth sensations,
idolised to the United States,
1036
00:57:36,692 --> 00:57:39,426
where skaters rub shoulders
with rock stars.
1037
00:57:39,428 --> 00:57:41,561
The pair is ranked one and two
in the world,
1038
00:57:41,563 --> 00:57:44,698
but such heights are now
likely to elude Ben Pappas
1039
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:47,868
after he was caught smuggling
cocaine into Melbourne.
1040
00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:50,437
As imports go,
it was only a small amount -
1041
00:57:50,439 --> 00:57:53,740
just over 100g
for his own personal use.
1042
00:57:53,742 --> 00:57:56,843
But importing the drug is
punishable by a hefty fine
1043
00:57:56,845 --> 00:57:58,745
or, at worst, a term in prison.
1044
00:57:58,747 --> 00:58:01,682
Whatever happens to him, it's
almost certain that Ben Pappas
1045
00:58:01,684 --> 00:58:04,004
will never be allowed into
the United States to compete.
1046
00:58:08,656 --> 00:58:11,591
That was just bloody
the most shattering phone call
1047
00:58:11,593 --> 00:58:14,561
because I knew Ben
couldn't come back.
1048
00:58:14,563 --> 00:58:16,483
That shattered me.
I cried and...
1049
00:58:17,432 --> 00:58:18,732
..I just couldn't believe it.
1050
00:58:20,568 --> 00:58:23,737
Picked up the paper
and it just was Ben Pappas,
1051
00:58:23,739 --> 00:58:29,109
busted at Melbourne Airport
for cocaine in his shoe.
1052
00:58:29,111 --> 00:58:32,379
You just thought,
'What the fuck are you doing?
1053
00:58:32,381 --> 00:58:33,947
You're blowing it.'
1054
00:58:35,950 --> 00:58:38,185
My jaw pretty much dropped.
1055
00:58:38,187 --> 00:58:41,555
I thought he was in the
motivation to become No.1.
1056
00:58:41,557 --> 00:58:45,158
I didn't think it was like Ben
to do that, bring it over.
1057
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,928
I used to get along with Ben
back in the day,
1058
00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:52,499
so I kind of really
felt for him at the time.
1059
00:58:52,501 --> 00:58:55,569
I wanted to see him
get through it.
1060
00:58:55,571 --> 00:58:58,705
Being pro skaters
who are travelling a lot,
1061
00:58:58,707 --> 00:59:01,341
people always propositioned
each other.
1062
00:59:01,343 --> 00:59:03,343
'Imagine we just brought it
from here
1063
00:59:03,345 --> 00:59:05,112
because it's so much cheaper.'
1064
00:59:05,114 --> 00:59:10,517
But... you know not to run 'em
across borders.
1065
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:14,654
The pay-off is not big enough.
1066
00:59:14,656 --> 00:59:16,776
Does it mean
the end of competition?
1067
00:59:20,061 --> 00:59:22,696
It beat him up big time.
1068
00:59:25,066 --> 00:59:27,768
He just had a lot of regret.
1069
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:29,403
He used to say to me,
1070
00:59:29,405 --> 00:59:31,738
'Fuck, if only I left my shoes
on the plane.'
1071
00:59:37,378 --> 00:59:39,046
He couldn't go overseas,
1072
00:59:39,048 --> 00:59:41,148
he couldn't travel
and make a living from it.
1073
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:44,651
For him, that was
a huge wake-up call, man -
1074
00:59:44,653 --> 00:59:47,187
coming from second in the world
1075
00:59:47,189 --> 00:59:50,891
to, like, rock bottom,
that's it.
1076
00:59:50,893 --> 00:59:54,227
That would be a spear through
the heart, pretty much.
1077
00:59:57,799 --> 00:59:59,399
I was shattered.
1078
00:59:59,401 --> 01:00:02,202
My partner in crime has gone.
1079
01:00:02,204 --> 01:00:04,871
I'm gonna be touring the world
alone now.
1080
01:00:04,873 --> 01:00:09,476
Any country I go in, no-one's
really got my back any more.
1081
01:00:09,478 --> 01:00:12,579
It was me and Ben against
the world. Now it's only me.
1082
01:00:19,754 --> 01:00:21,221
What are you guys up to?
1083
01:00:21,223 --> 01:00:23,490
- We're just looking around.
- Hello!
1084
01:00:23,492 --> 01:00:25,859
- You can sign right here.
- All right.
1085
01:00:27,528 --> 01:00:30,664
- What's your name?
- Gabe.
1086
01:00:30,666 --> 01:00:34,201
I was living with Tas
when Ben got caught.
1087
01:00:34,203 --> 01:00:36,283
I remember everyone
was kind of devastated.
1088
01:00:37,572 --> 01:00:39,739
Switch ollie.
1089
01:00:39,741 --> 01:00:41,074
Dude, this is it!
1090
01:00:41,076 --> 01:00:43,043
I started filming him a lot,
1091
01:00:43,045 --> 01:00:45,912
That's when he started doing
the 900, and he was so close.
1092
01:00:50,852 --> 01:00:52,653
- Whoa!
- Fuck off!
1093
01:00:56,524 --> 01:00:59,693
After Ben got busted,
I was thinking,
1094
01:00:59,695 --> 01:01:01,394
'It's time to knuckle down,
1095
01:01:01,396 --> 01:01:04,631
try to kick the doors open
again for me and Ben,
1096
01:01:04,633 --> 01:01:07,067
like I did when I first came
to the States.
1097
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:09,102
If I nail the nine
that could lead me to money
1098
01:01:09,104 --> 01:01:11,071
which could help
get my brother back.'
1099
01:01:11,073 --> 01:01:12,472
Tas!
1100
01:01:12,474 --> 01:01:14,174
Do a 900.
1101
01:01:14,176 --> 01:01:17,911
The 900 was something
that's never been done before,
1102
01:01:17,913 --> 01:01:19,279
and it was very scary.
1103
01:01:21,516 --> 01:01:25,185
A 540 is one and a half spins.
1104
01:01:25,187 --> 01:01:28,488
With a 900, you go up,
you do a 540
1105
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:30,824
and another 360, bang.
1106
01:01:35,796 --> 01:01:37,564
Whoo!
1107
01:01:37,566 --> 01:01:38,798
He was so close,
1108
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,567
landing on 'em,
almost making it.
1109
01:01:40,569 --> 01:01:43,170
We had a couple of people
from Transworld Magazine
1110
01:01:43,172 --> 01:01:45,772
come and shoot sequences of Tas.
1111
01:01:45,774 --> 01:01:50,443
Yeah, he's gonna do it,
Grant. You want to bet 100?
1112
01:01:50,445 --> 01:01:52,979
Grant Brittain, he's
an old-school photographer
1113
01:01:52,981 --> 01:01:55,982
who works for Transworld
who's shot Hawk for years.
1114
01:01:55,984 --> 01:01:58,685
He shot all his photos,
they've been mates for years.
1115
01:01:58,687 --> 01:02:02,022
I just thought, 'Sick,
Grant's being cool again.'
1116
01:02:04,158 --> 01:02:05,625
Oh!
1117
01:02:05,627 --> 01:02:07,060
You've got to get him
to free run.
1118
01:02:07,062 --> 01:02:08,728
What?
1119
01:02:08,730 --> 01:02:10,850
Get him over there
when he's hyping up for it.
1120
01:02:17,939 --> 01:02:19,105
Yes!
1121
01:02:21,842 --> 01:02:23,443
- Oh!
- Yeah!
1122
01:02:25,413 --> 01:02:27,047
He almost made it.
1123
01:02:27,049 --> 01:02:30,650
He was way high,
way high in the air
1124
01:02:30,652 --> 01:02:33,186
and almost making them.
1125
01:02:33,188 --> 01:02:36,189
It was like a legit 900.
1126
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,127
He heard that everyone
at Transworld,
1127
01:02:41,129 --> 01:02:43,930
Hawk and everyone was
gonna look at his sequences.
1128
01:02:43,932 --> 01:02:46,800
The Hawkman, everyone went
and studied his work.
1129
01:02:46,802 --> 01:02:49,903
I was just about there
and I was thinking it was on.
1130
01:02:49,905 --> 01:02:52,539
Then I was thinking, 'I'll
do it at the '99 X Games.'
1131
01:02:55,376 --> 01:02:59,613
From Melbourne,
Australia, it's Tas Pappas
1132
01:02:59,615 --> 01:03:02,482
and just from watching him
in practice,
1133
01:03:02,484 --> 01:03:05,418
after being gone from pro
skating for a little while,
1134
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:07,087
the man is on a mission.
1135
01:03:07,089 --> 01:03:10,824
This guy has
been going off all day today
1136
01:03:10,826 --> 01:03:12,626
and all day yesterday
in practice.
1137
01:03:12,628 --> 01:03:14,427
He's on fire.
1138
01:03:14,429 --> 01:03:17,030
Has got so much
confidence going on right now.
1139
01:03:17,032 --> 01:03:18,865
I want to see the 900.
1140
01:03:18,867 --> 01:03:21,034
Phenomenal.
I think he's gonna save that
1141
01:03:21,036 --> 01:03:24,638
maybe for the best trick
contest if he's in it.
1142
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,973
Tas and Bill
were just super psyched
1143
01:03:26,975 --> 01:03:29,876
because there was
a best trick contest.
1144
01:03:29,878 --> 01:03:34,481
But for some reason,
they didn't let Tas skate.
1145
01:03:34,483 --> 01:03:36,416
I've done the comp,
this and that.
1146
01:03:36,418 --> 01:03:38,685
I've been doing all right
and Don Bostick's like,
1147
01:03:38,687 --> 01:03:40,854
'You're not in the best trick
comp this year.'
1148
01:03:40,856 --> 01:03:42,222
I'm like, 'What do you mean?
1149
01:03:42,224 --> 01:03:44,958
I've been in every
best trick comp all year
1150
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,493
for the last few years.
1151
01:03:46,495 --> 01:03:48,528
Why just out of nowhere
just this one?'
1152
01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:52,766
They said, 'You're not in it.'
I said, 'Well, who is in it?'
1153
01:03:52,768 --> 01:03:54,734
Tony Hawk, Tony Hawk.
1154
01:04:01,909 --> 01:04:03,810
It's the 900.
1155
01:04:03,812 --> 01:04:05,653
You guys wanted to see it done?
1156
01:04:06,781 --> 01:04:09,049
Then the best trick comp started
1157
01:04:09,051 --> 01:04:10,984
and I saw Hawk
start trying nines.
1158
01:04:10,986 --> 01:04:14,854
And I was just like, 'No way.'
1159
01:04:22,096 --> 01:04:24,197
Tas was devastated.
1160
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:26,066
Because that was it -
1161
01:04:26,068 --> 01:04:28,768
if he would have entered that
contest he would have did it
1162
01:04:28,770 --> 01:04:30,690
because he's that kind
of skater.
1163
01:04:34,109 --> 01:04:35,842
Everybody picture it.
Here we go.
1164
01:04:35,844 --> 01:04:37,977
I thought,
'What a weasel manoeuvre.
1165
01:04:37,979 --> 01:04:39,679
At least give me a chance.'
1166
01:04:39,681 --> 01:04:41,548
He probably would have
beaten me to it,
1167
01:04:41,550 --> 01:04:43,850
but at least I could have had
a shot for shot for it,
1168
01:04:43,852 --> 01:04:45,151
you know what I mean?
1169
01:04:57,631 --> 01:04:59,666
When Tony Hawk did the 900,
1170
01:04:59,668 --> 01:05:01,634
I was there, I witnessed it.
1171
01:05:01,636 --> 01:05:04,537
I didn't think it was
all that impressive
1172
01:05:04,539 --> 01:05:07,474
compared to what I saw
Tas doing.
1173
01:05:07,476 --> 01:05:09,175
I know he would've
at least tried it.
1174
01:05:09,177 --> 01:05:11,878
Don't know if he'd have nailed
it, but he'd have tried it.
1175
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,514
It would have made Tony Hawk's
900 less impressive.
1176
01:05:14,516 --> 01:05:17,417
If it weren't for you people
I'd have never made that.
1177
01:05:17,419 --> 01:05:20,019
Thank you. This is
the best day of my life.
1178
01:05:20,021 --> 01:05:21,521
I swear to God.
1179
01:05:31,799 --> 01:05:37,871
I realised right then and
there who I was up against.
1180
01:05:37,873 --> 01:05:39,806
It didn't matter how good I was
1181
01:05:39,808 --> 01:05:41,808
or how close
I was getting to something,
1182
01:05:41,810 --> 01:05:44,944
it was just, 'Stuff you.
Piss off home, Aussie.'
1183
01:05:54,889 --> 01:05:56,623
Ahh!
1184
01:05:59,693 --> 01:06:02,128
Leave it there, you cunts.
1185
01:06:02,130 --> 01:06:06,733
I hadn't seen Ben for
two years after he got busted.
1186
01:06:06,735 --> 01:06:09,502
He just disappeared again.
1187
01:06:09,504 --> 01:06:12,939
But then I saw him in the city
just off chance,
1188
01:06:12,941 --> 01:06:15,608
and he was completely
a different person -
1189
01:06:15,610 --> 01:06:18,678
stacked on the kilos,
just mega overweight.
1190
01:06:22,383 --> 01:06:25,785
You filming again?
1191
01:06:25,787 --> 01:06:28,888
He was just doing a lot
of drugs and playing music.
1192
01:06:28,890 --> 01:06:31,024
He totally did not skate.
1193
01:06:31,026 --> 01:06:33,726
He reckons he didn't skate for
about a year, year and a half
1194
01:06:33,728 --> 01:06:35,628
and was totally removed from it.
1195
01:06:35,630 --> 01:06:38,598
He was really unhappy
and really down on himself.
1196
01:06:44,638 --> 01:06:47,674
It's easy to get sucked
into doing drugs,
1197
01:06:47,676 --> 01:06:49,409
partying and shit like that,
1198
01:06:49,411 --> 01:06:52,745
but in the end it brings you
nothing but bullshit.
1199
01:06:52,747 --> 01:06:56,649
Basically it taught me
that you reap what you sow.
1200
01:06:56,651 --> 01:06:58,117
If you do good things,
1201
01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:00,720
good things are gonna
happen to you.
1202
01:07:00,722 --> 01:07:02,088
Pretty much karma.
1203
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:09,829
Was on antidepressants.
He would get depressed.
1204
01:07:09,831 --> 01:07:12,999
He gained a lot of weight.
1205
01:07:13,001 --> 01:07:16,936
At the time I had put on
the kilos as well.
1206
01:07:16,938 --> 01:07:20,840
I was on some antidepressants
myself.
1207
01:07:20,842 --> 01:07:25,111
Everyone used to see us
and see two fat people,
1208
01:07:25,113 --> 01:07:27,847
and we were trying to skate
the new Globe ramp.
1209
01:07:29,416 --> 01:07:30,717
Hey, Dom.
1210
01:07:32,953 --> 01:07:35,154
Has it stopped raining? Yeah?
1211
01:07:40,594 --> 01:07:43,129
At that time, I kind of felt
1212
01:07:43,131 --> 01:07:45,532
that I had caught up
with a good friend again.
1213
01:07:45,534 --> 01:07:47,567
He needed somewhere to stay
1214
01:07:47,569 --> 01:07:49,335
so I said, 'Yeah, you're in.'
1215
01:07:49,337 --> 01:07:52,372
And having him around was good.
1216
01:07:52,374 --> 01:07:54,741
All right, this is it.
1217
01:07:54,743 --> 01:07:55,975
Make this one!
1218
01:08:00,414 --> 01:08:02,682
Whoa!
1219
01:08:02,684 --> 01:08:05,451
So, Dommy, tell us the vibe.
1220
01:08:05,453 --> 01:08:08,521
Not looking too bad. We're
just gonna go to the ramp now
1221
01:08:08,523 --> 01:08:10,423
and see
if it's all right to skate.
1222
01:08:10,425 --> 01:08:13,026
Maybe throw down a few tricks.
1223
01:08:13,028 --> 01:08:14,661
Yeah, mate.
1224
01:08:14,663 --> 01:08:15,862
Top one.
1225
01:08:18,032 --> 01:08:21,034
Fuck off with your camera.
1226
01:08:21,036 --> 01:08:22,368
Yeah!
1227
01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:24,037
So here we are...
1228
01:08:24,039 --> 01:08:27,373
We skated together all
the time, just hanging out,
1229
01:08:27,375 --> 01:08:29,409
going out to bars and stuff,
1230
01:08:29,411 --> 01:08:31,578
having a good time
and skating a lot.
1231
01:08:31,580 --> 01:08:35,548
He was basically
coming back to who he was,
1232
01:08:35,550 --> 01:08:38,785
because he'd been on that
sort of arrogant high thing.
1233
01:08:38,787 --> 01:08:42,522
He realised 'That's not who I
am.' Went back to being Ben.
1234
01:08:42,524 --> 01:08:44,691
She's got sideburns.
Fucking hell.
1235
01:08:48,062 --> 01:08:50,496
Professional
skateboarder Tony Hawk
1236
01:08:50,498 --> 01:08:52,765
is known worldwide
as an innovator of the sport.
1237
01:08:52,767 --> 01:08:55,535
I'd met this young chick,
Colleen.
1238
01:08:55,537 --> 01:08:58,304
She was a friend of the family
and we hit it off.
1239
01:09:02,076 --> 01:09:05,511
She was responsible
and didn't party -
1240
01:09:05,513 --> 01:09:07,480
all the traits that I wanted.
1241
01:09:07,482 --> 01:09:11,417
I had my drug problems, and
I kept that hidden from her,
1242
01:09:11,419 --> 01:09:14,754
but she inspired me to really
get my act together.
1243
01:09:14,756 --> 01:09:17,890
Within a year, she was
pregnant and we had Kaia.
1244
01:09:20,828 --> 01:09:23,663
Once I had Kaia, it
just made me start to think,
1245
01:09:23,665 --> 01:09:25,131
'Right, time to get serious.'
1246
01:09:26,834 --> 01:09:28,668
I had sort of grown up a bit,
1247
01:09:28,670 --> 01:09:30,937
and once you've had a kid,
you start to realise,
1248
01:09:30,939 --> 01:09:32,538
'Hang on a second here.
1249
01:09:32,540 --> 01:09:36,175
I'll do whatever it takes
to feed my kid.'
1250
01:09:36,177 --> 01:09:38,811
Ramp it up,
ramp it up, ramp it up.
1251
01:09:38,813 --> 01:09:40,380
The vert doubles final
1252
01:09:40,382 --> 01:09:42,815
at the First Union Centre's
out of control,
1253
01:09:42,817 --> 01:09:44,917
crowd peaking for Bob and Bucky,
1254
01:09:44,919 --> 01:09:47,854
giving Tony and Andy
a run for their money.
1255
01:09:47,856 --> 01:09:50,957
By then the mainstream
scene that had blacklisted me
1256
01:09:50,959 --> 01:09:52,592
had changed completely.
1257
01:09:52,594 --> 01:09:56,596
It had fully turned
into show business.
1258
01:09:56,598 --> 01:10:00,867
Of course, ESPN and the
X Games ran the whole show.
1259
01:10:00,869 --> 01:10:03,736
Oh, the crowd loves that one.
1260
01:10:03,738 --> 01:10:06,572
They're show-stoppers,
this team Boom Boom.
1261
01:10:06,574 --> 01:10:09,575
And I thought it was bad
in the '90s.
1262
01:10:09,577 --> 01:10:11,210
Erin Hawk.
1263
01:10:11,212 --> 01:10:13,012
Those guys won.
1264
01:10:13,014 --> 01:10:16,649
You win.
1265
01:10:16,651 --> 01:10:19,052
Even Danny was getting in on it,
1266
01:10:19,054 --> 01:10:21,721
jumping the great wall of
China on his mega ramp.
1267
01:10:24,958 --> 01:10:27,126
And it didn't take long
for the X Games
1268
01:10:27,128 --> 01:10:29,095
to cotton on to that one either.
1269
01:10:29,097 --> 01:10:32,465
Of course they said
it was a way to attract
1270
01:10:32,467 --> 01:10:34,233
a new generation
to skateboarding.
1271
01:10:34,235 --> 01:10:36,469
To me it just looks like
it's only something
1272
01:10:36,471 --> 01:10:37,770
the privileged can do.
1273
01:10:39,073 --> 01:10:40,973
You know what sucks?
1274
01:10:40,975 --> 01:10:43,443
It's that whole X Games shit.
1275
01:10:43,445 --> 01:10:45,478
When I found out how much money
1276
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,013
those assholes were fucking...
1277
01:10:47,015 --> 01:10:50,483
..assholes...
the X Games were making.
1278
01:10:50,485 --> 01:10:52,118
Take a fucking shit.
1279
01:10:53,554 --> 01:10:56,189
You guys fucking can fuck off.
1280
01:10:56,191 --> 01:10:59,559
How much they fucking scoop
off of fucking skateboarding?
1281
01:10:59,561 --> 01:11:00,727
Suck it.
1282
01:11:05,632 --> 01:11:08,568
But even though
I was shut out by the scene,
1283
01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:10,436
by the two main vert camps,
1284
01:11:10,438 --> 01:11:12,739
I found a way to support my
family through skateboarding.
1285
01:11:12,741 --> 01:11:15,041
Tas Pappas set up for the 180...
1286
01:11:18,780 --> 01:11:22,682
All the pros were doing X Games,
1287
01:11:22,684 --> 01:11:25,518
but then I heard that there
was another comp circuit,
1288
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,154
you get paid 250 a day
for a half-an-hour demo.
1289
01:11:28,156 --> 01:11:30,590
You're gone for a couple of
weeks out of the month.
1290
01:11:30,592 --> 01:11:33,059
So I started thinking,
'Right, I'll pull my head in,
1291
01:11:33,061 --> 01:11:34,694
I won't be a prick any more.'
1292
01:11:34,696 --> 01:11:36,596
Stuck to myself and skated.
1293
01:11:41,068 --> 01:11:43,903
Tas Pappas,
you'd better recognise.
1294
01:11:43,905 --> 01:11:46,773
This guy will put you in a
headlock if you don't shut up.
1295
01:11:46,775 --> 01:11:48,535
- Yeah, like this!
- Argh!
1296
01:11:54,882 --> 01:11:56,215
What?
1297
01:11:57,885 --> 01:12:00,653
Ben liked to keep
everything to himself.
1298
01:12:00,655 --> 01:12:04,090
He met this girl, Lynette,
and he started seeing her,
1299
01:12:04,092 --> 01:12:05,933
and he didn't tell me anything.
1300
01:12:08,162 --> 01:12:10,029
It was odd actually.
1301
01:12:10,031 --> 01:12:13,699
He was never honest in saying,
'This is who I'm seeing.'
1302
01:12:13,701 --> 01:12:15,701
She just used to rock up
at the ramp.
1303
01:12:15,703 --> 01:12:18,171
There was just this little
small flesh-and-bone...
1304
01:12:18,173 --> 01:12:22,408
She was really skinny.
She never said a word to me.
1305
01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:24,677
One time we went to a pub
1306
01:12:24,679 --> 01:12:26,445
around the corner from Prahran,
1307
01:12:26,447 --> 01:12:29,182
and she just popped up
and just sat down next to him.
1308
01:12:29,184 --> 01:12:31,450
I was like, 'Whoa,
this is really bizarre.'
1309
01:12:31,452 --> 01:12:34,787
That's the first time I knew
they had a sort of connection.
1310
01:12:34,789 --> 01:12:37,056
He was actually
really embarrassed by it.
1311
01:12:37,058 --> 01:12:41,093
You could tell - he was like,
'Fuck.' Two sides to his life.
1312
01:12:41,095 --> 01:12:43,663
Just a really weird situation.
1313
01:12:43,665 --> 01:12:47,099
But every time
I saw them hanging out
1314
01:12:47,101 --> 01:12:49,001
or knew they were hanging out,
1315
01:12:49,003 --> 01:12:51,083
he looked like he had taken
a lot of drugs.
1316
01:12:55,409 --> 01:12:58,778
It was obvious that Ben
and Lynette's relationship
1317
01:12:58,780 --> 01:13:00,680
was revolved around drugs.
1318
01:13:00,682 --> 01:13:04,217
I could see he'd been using it
because he was down and gaunt.
1319
01:13:05,919 --> 01:13:08,054
I knew he was on the Xanax,
1320
01:13:08,056 --> 01:13:11,657
but he didn't admit that
he was using heroin to me.
1321
01:13:18,532 --> 01:13:19,999
I didn't even see him around
1322
01:13:20,001 --> 01:13:21,868
for two or three months
or something.
1323
01:13:21,870 --> 01:13:25,805
He had taken everything
from my house at this stage.
1324
01:13:25,807 --> 01:13:30,676
I don't know
who he was staying with.
1325
01:13:30,678 --> 01:13:33,512
I didn't think he was going
to get into bloody heroin.
1326
01:13:33,514 --> 01:13:35,882
It broke my heart when
I heard he got into heroin,
1327
01:13:35,884 --> 01:13:37,683
I just couldn't bloody
believe it.
1328
01:13:37,685 --> 01:13:39,986
I went home one trip.
1329
01:13:39,988 --> 01:13:42,021
It was this Globe comp.
1330
01:13:42,023 --> 01:13:46,525
He comes with Lynette and
they were both off their face.
1331
01:13:46,527 --> 01:13:48,094
Pinpricked eyes,
1332
01:13:48,096 --> 01:13:50,529
just full smacked out,
just had a shot each.
1333
01:13:52,699 --> 01:13:57,136
I realised then that she was
a junky, Ben was a junky.
1334
01:13:57,138 --> 01:13:59,639
So I went off.
I was being mean.
1335
01:13:59,641 --> 01:14:01,741
I'm like, 'You, get the fuck
out of here.
1336
01:14:01,743 --> 01:14:04,143
Stay the fuck away
from my brother, all right?'
1337
01:14:04,145 --> 01:14:08,014
We got into a bit of a fight,
so I left.
1338
01:14:08,016 --> 01:14:10,549
What am I supposed to do?
1339
01:14:10,551 --> 01:14:14,887
He's 25 years old,
I'm 27, 28, with a kid.
1340
01:14:14,889 --> 01:14:17,089
He was under the impression
1341
01:14:17,091 --> 01:14:19,091
I was having this great time
in America
1342
01:14:19,093 --> 01:14:22,628
and I'm like, 'Ben, mate,
you think I'm having fun?'
1343
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:25,998
Tas Pappas
comes into this event injured.
1344
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,434
He's got some back...
1345
01:14:28,436 --> 01:14:30,069
I had to be top ten
at every comp.
1346
01:14:30,071 --> 01:14:34,407
That's how I was living,
trying to support my family.
1347
01:14:34,409 --> 01:14:37,743
Shortly after that,
Aydin was born.
1348
01:14:37,745 --> 01:14:41,047
And then the pressure was on.
The pressure was on hard.
1349
01:14:41,049 --> 01:14:45,651
Being away all the time
and not seeing my kids,
1350
01:14:45,653 --> 01:14:47,687
we'd fight a lot
while I was gone.
1351
01:14:47,689 --> 01:14:49,121
She'd be angry I'd be gone,
1352
01:14:49,123 --> 01:14:51,243
it just strained the
relationship hardcore.
1353
01:14:55,162 --> 01:14:58,698
When I'd get injured I'd
start sniffing a bit of ice,
1354
01:14:58,700 --> 01:15:02,068
purely to be able to stay in
the comp to make the money,
1355
01:15:02,070 --> 01:15:04,136
and it would numb your body,
the speed.
1356
01:15:04,138 --> 01:15:07,039
And it worked,
but the problem was,
1357
01:15:07,041 --> 01:15:10,376
after the comp, you're already
on speed so you're figuring,
1358
01:15:10,378 --> 01:15:11,978
'Who cares?
I'm already off my face.
1359
01:15:11,980 --> 01:15:13,879
Let's just charge
the rest of that gram
1360
01:15:13,881 --> 01:15:17,717
and get another eight-ball and
then we'll just go for days.'
1361
01:15:17,719 --> 01:15:19,919
And then boom,
I'm back on drugs.
1362
01:15:19,921 --> 01:15:22,121
Smoking ice, smoking crack.
1363
01:15:22,123 --> 01:15:27,460
Then I hit psychosis mode bad
and I just lost the plot.
1364
01:15:27,462 --> 01:15:31,430
It was weird, it was like me
and Ben lived parallel lives.
1365
01:15:31,432 --> 01:15:33,132
Whenever he fucked up,
I fucked up.
1366
01:15:33,134 --> 01:15:35,401
It was like we were twins.
1367
01:15:37,604 --> 01:15:39,739
Do you reckon we should make
this one, Gregsy?
1368
01:15:39,741 --> 01:15:41,674
- Yeah. Now.
- Yeah.
1369
01:15:41,676 --> 01:15:44,543
We can do it for another
two hours if you want.
1370
01:15:44,545 --> 01:15:45,845
- Now?
- Yeah.
1371
01:15:45,847 --> 01:15:48,114
Ben looked terrible.
1372
01:15:48,116 --> 01:15:50,816
He was going down to Prahran
fully on drugs.
1373
01:15:55,055 --> 01:15:58,591
He used to have this bottle of
Xanax - when we were filming,
1374
01:15:58,593 --> 01:16:01,761
he used to pop two Xanax
before the skate,
1375
01:16:01,763 --> 01:16:03,803
and I was like,
'Are you off your head?'
1376
01:16:10,971 --> 01:16:13,139
He was really upset.
1377
01:16:13,141 --> 01:16:15,975
He was trying to get out
of that routine.
1378
01:16:15,977 --> 01:16:18,511
You could tell he was trying
to get away from that.
1379
01:16:18,513 --> 01:16:21,180
He knew in his heart that that
wasn't the right thing to do,
1380
01:16:21,182 --> 01:16:23,049
do drugs with her.
1381
01:16:23,051 --> 01:16:26,719
He'd just say, 'I've just got
to get away from her.
1382
01:16:26,721 --> 01:16:28,487
She's not good for me.'
1383
01:16:28,489 --> 01:16:31,190
But I think he didn't know
where to go at that point.
1384
01:16:32,893 --> 01:16:35,628
What's up? Not today.
1385
01:16:47,774 --> 01:16:51,444
I went to jail two months,
1386
01:16:51,446 --> 01:16:54,747
I went on a mad
ice and crack bender.
1387
01:16:54,749 --> 01:16:58,784
I came home and tripped out,
got in a fight with Colleen,
1388
01:16:58,786 --> 01:17:01,921
did a silly thing,
slapped her and hit her.
1389
01:17:01,923 --> 01:17:04,356
I was off my face,
I couldn't remember.
1390
01:17:04,358 --> 01:17:07,626
I was ashamed of myself too
because I've got a daughter
1391
01:17:07,628 --> 01:17:10,029
and if anyone did that to her,
I'd want to kill 'em.
1392
01:17:10,031 --> 01:17:12,465
It's something that's been
hard for me to admit,
1393
01:17:12,467 --> 01:17:14,033
and people look at it,
like, weak,
1394
01:17:14,035 --> 01:17:15,868
'You hit a chick, '
and this and that.
1395
01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:19,371
I don't know. I am ashamed of
myself for that.
1396
01:17:19,373 --> 01:17:22,708
They had me in the mental pod
1397
01:17:22,710 --> 01:17:24,810
'cause I was fried on the drugs,
1398
01:17:24,812 --> 01:17:28,447
and then Homeland Security
came to me when I was in jail.
1399
01:17:28,449 --> 01:17:29,982
They said, 'You're going
home.'
1400
01:17:29,984 --> 01:17:32,118
I was like, 'What do you mean
I'm going home?'
1401
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,387
They said 'You're going home.
You're getting deported.'
1402
01:17:35,389 --> 01:17:37,389
I stayed in jail
from that point on.
1403
01:17:40,894 --> 01:17:43,195
I just couldn't believe
what was going on.
1404
01:17:43,197 --> 01:17:44,864
I was losing my family.
1405
01:17:44,866 --> 01:17:48,367
My whole goal
was to never lose my kids.
1406
01:17:48,369 --> 01:17:51,637
And then boom, it was just shit.
1407
01:18:05,585 --> 01:18:07,820
Me and Greg went
to the ramp at Prahran,
1408
01:18:07,822 --> 01:18:09,455
met up with Ben.
1409
01:18:09,457 --> 01:18:12,591
I hadn't seen him in a while.
1410
01:18:12,593 --> 01:18:16,896
It was the first time I'd seen
him so gaunt and just down.
1411
01:18:16,898 --> 01:18:20,499
Didn't want to skate,
didn't want to talk to anyone.
1412
01:18:20,501 --> 01:18:23,369
I thought his brother
is in jail,
1413
01:18:23,371 --> 01:18:26,272
his brother can't come over
to Australia to visit him.
1414
01:18:28,475 --> 01:18:30,376
He was acting really weird
1415
01:18:30,378 --> 01:18:33,679
and completely like he just
did not care about anything.
1416
01:18:33,681 --> 01:18:36,048
I remember I said,
'Where is your board, man?'
1417
01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:41,086
And he said to me, 'I won't be
needing my board any more.'
1418
01:18:41,088 --> 01:18:43,889
Ben said, 'Dom,
I need somewhere to stay.
1419
01:18:43,891 --> 01:18:46,659
Can I stay at your house
for a few days or something?'
1420
01:18:46,661 --> 01:18:49,995
Because he was such a good
friend, I couldn't refuse.
1421
01:18:55,402 --> 01:18:58,671
Ben wasn't talking.
He was just really down.
1422
01:18:58,673 --> 01:19:00,873
I was trying to ask him
what's on his mind.
1423
01:19:00,875 --> 01:19:03,676
He started crying and said
1424
01:19:03,678 --> 01:19:08,514
he couldn't remember anything,
like, what happened.
1425
01:19:08,516 --> 01:19:10,516
I said, 'What do you mean
what happened?'
1426
01:19:10,518 --> 01:19:15,087
He said he remembered waking
up on a bench in the city
1427
01:19:15,089 --> 01:19:17,156
a few days before
1428
01:19:17,158 --> 01:19:19,319
and dropping some Xanax
or something like that.
1429
01:19:20,527 --> 01:19:23,829
And then I saw a newsflash.
1430
01:19:23,831 --> 01:19:26,599
The body of a woman was found
1431
01:19:26,601 --> 01:19:29,168
wrapped in material
at Dights Falls yesterday.
1432
01:19:29,170 --> 01:19:32,471
Police believe the woman is
27-year-old Lynette Phillips.
1433
01:19:34,874 --> 01:19:38,677
The body has been
wrapped in material,
1434
01:19:38,679 --> 01:19:41,814
and there's a backpack
apparently with weights in it,
1435
01:19:41,816 --> 01:19:43,616
then over the material
and the body.
1436
01:19:43,618 --> 01:19:45,718
Results of an autopsy
1437
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,680
expected to be known
later tonight.
1438
01:19:49,389 --> 01:19:51,757
I thought, 'Shit, don't tell me
1439
01:19:51,759 --> 01:19:54,426
he's gone and done
something stupid.'
1440
01:19:54,428 --> 01:19:58,864
Just felt surreal. Couldn't
believe it was happening.
1441
01:19:58,866 --> 01:20:02,801
I said, 'Did you see the news?
Lynette's been found dead.'
1442
01:20:02,803 --> 01:20:04,937
He said, 'Shut up.
Don't tell me any more.'
1443
01:20:04,939 --> 01:20:07,539
And he left.
1444
01:20:09,843 --> 01:20:11,710
It was out of this world really.
1445
01:20:11,712 --> 01:20:14,546
You thought he was down
and out, but you never thought
1446
01:20:14,548 --> 01:20:16,815
that one of your good friends
could do that.
1447
01:20:18,985 --> 01:20:21,587
I didn't want
to believe it, you know.
1448
01:20:21,589 --> 01:20:24,423
The Feds came around
to my house,
1449
01:20:24,425 --> 01:20:26,725
they started asking questions
about Ben -
1450
01:20:26,727 --> 01:20:28,727
when was the last time
I saw him?
1451
01:20:28,729 --> 01:20:30,763
They said, 'Can you come back
to the station
1452
01:20:30,765 --> 01:20:32,564
and answer some questions?'
1453
01:20:32,566 --> 01:20:36,568
They said, 'Now we're going
to give you some pictures
1454
01:20:36,570 --> 01:20:42,241
if you can identify
if this is yours.'
1455
01:20:42,243 --> 01:20:45,644
They gave me a picture
of a backpack and I said,
1456
01:20:45,646 --> 01:20:49,782
'Yeah, that's mine. I gave it
to Ben maybe six months ago.'
1457
01:20:49,784 --> 01:20:53,185
They told me she was
weighed down with that,
1458
01:20:53,187 --> 01:20:56,388
so I was like, 'Shit.'
1459
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:58,123
They showed me another picture,
1460
01:20:58,125 --> 01:21:01,160
my doona cover, saying that's
what she was wrapped up in.
1461
01:21:01,162 --> 01:21:03,696
I started just bawling.
1462
01:21:03,698 --> 01:21:05,497
Like, seriously
didn't believe it.
1463
01:21:05,499 --> 01:21:07,599
Just thought, 'No fucking
way.'
1464
01:21:07,601 --> 01:21:11,603
I had the impression, 'Ben,
gosh, what are you doing?'
1465
01:21:15,175 --> 01:21:17,843
Police say one of
the world's most talented
1466
01:21:17,845 --> 01:21:20,713
skateboarders, Ben Pappas,
is a person of interest
1467
01:21:20,715 --> 01:21:22,514
in the murder
of Lynette Phillips,
1468
01:21:22,516 --> 01:21:24,450
a recovering long-term
drug addict
1469
01:21:24,452 --> 01:21:26,518
who was studying
to become a counsellor.,
1470
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,121
her battered body
found wrapped in a blue cover.
1471
01:21:35,028 --> 01:21:38,530
After a week,
no-one could find Ben.
1472
01:21:38,532 --> 01:21:41,100
So everyone was concerned
for his life, you know?
1473
01:21:41,102 --> 01:21:44,236
And then I saw a newsflash.
1474
01:21:44,238 --> 01:21:47,706
The body was found
in waters off Victoria Pier
1475
01:21:47,708 --> 01:21:49,942
around 7:30 last night.
1476
01:21:49,944 --> 01:21:51,543
Divers were sent in
1477
01:21:51,545 --> 01:21:53,412
after a wallet
was found at the scene.
1478
01:21:53,414 --> 01:21:55,414
The dead man is believed
to be former
1479
01:21:55,416 --> 01:21:58,050
world skateboarding champion
Ben Pappas.
1480
01:21:58,052 --> 01:22:01,687
An autopsy is being carried
out to confirm his identity.
1481
01:22:01,689 --> 01:22:04,456
Pappas was the main suspect
in the murder of...
1482
01:22:04,458 --> 01:22:07,126
Everyone was so blown away,
1483
01:22:07,128 --> 01:22:09,728
just blown away and devastated
about what had happened.
1484
01:22:11,664 --> 01:22:14,233
Didn't even think about Tas, no.
1485
01:22:17,537 --> 01:22:19,705
I was calling Colleen one day.
1486
01:22:19,707 --> 01:22:21,640
She just wasn't answering
the phone.
1487
01:22:21,642 --> 01:22:23,208
I'm getting bloody paranoid.
1488
01:22:23,210 --> 01:22:24,910
So then I called my dad.
1489
01:22:24,912 --> 01:22:29,481
He goes, 'Tas, I need you
to be strong for me.'
1490
01:22:29,483 --> 01:22:33,919
'What are you talking about,
Dad, be strong for you?'
1491
01:22:33,921 --> 01:22:36,355
He goes, 'Tas, I need you
to be strong for me.'
1492
01:22:40,193 --> 01:22:42,094
I go, 'What are you talking
about, Dad?
1493
01:22:42,096 --> 01:22:44,563
What the fuck is Colleen
doing? Where are my kids?'
1494
01:22:44,565 --> 01:22:47,566
He goes, 'Tas, I need you
to be strong for me.'
1495
01:22:47,568 --> 01:22:50,569
I said, 'What are you talking
about, Dad?'
1496
01:22:50,571 --> 01:22:52,337
He goes, 'Ben has drowned.'
1497
01:22:55,809 --> 01:22:58,610
'What do you mean
Ben's drowned?'
1498
01:22:58,612 --> 01:23:01,880
'Ben's drowned.'
1499
01:23:01,882 --> 01:23:04,483
I've gone,
'Fuck off, he's drowned.
1500
01:23:04,485 --> 01:23:06,952
He can swim. We used
to surf in massive surf.
1501
01:23:06,954 --> 01:23:09,621
He didn't fucking drown.
What are you talking about?'
1502
01:23:09,623 --> 01:23:11,623
He goes, 'Ben's dead.'
1503
01:23:19,432 --> 01:23:22,100
I just remember
being in the day room
1504
01:23:22,102 --> 01:23:24,937
and I've just gone, 'Fuck!'
1505
01:23:24,939 --> 01:23:29,441
I just remember just fucking
storming the room in circles,
1506
01:23:29,443 --> 01:23:31,877
just fucking pissed, hoping
some cunt would kill me.
1507
01:23:50,663 --> 01:23:52,931
I just felt fucking so bad.
1508
01:23:52,933 --> 01:23:55,167
Thinking about his brother,
1509
01:23:55,169 --> 01:23:58,537
thinking of how sad
his dad must have been,
1510
01:23:58,539 --> 01:24:00,005
let alone the whole family
1511
01:24:00,007 --> 01:24:02,541
and then Tas being in jail
during all this.
1512
01:24:05,945 --> 01:24:08,146
I remember talking to him
and saying,
1513
01:24:08,148 --> 01:24:10,449
'Man, fuck,
all your friends love you.
1514
01:24:10,451 --> 01:24:12,651
I know that you're
in a lot of pain, man,
1515
01:24:12,653 --> 01:24:16,488
but, fuck, you've got a lot
going for you right now.
1516
01:24:16,490 --> 01:24:18,524
It doesn't seem like you do,
but you do.'
1517
01:24:18,526 --> 01:24:22,661
And I just remember
he was fucking pissed, man.
1518
01:24:22,663 --> 01:24:23,996
He didn't sound good.
1519
01:24:26,699 --> 01:24:31,737
Honestly, deep down,
I felt like I failed him.
1520
01:24:31,739 --> 01:24:35,641
I was so shattered
my brother is dead...
1521
01:24:35,643 --> 01:24:38,043
..and I was so fucking
pissed off.
1522
01:24:44,584 --> 01:24:47,653
Tas got deported
and he came back here.
1523
01:24:47,655 --> 01:24:51,023
In his mind, his relationship
at the end with Ben
1524
01:24:51,025 --> 01:24:53,592
wasn't what it should have been.
1525
01:24:53,594 --> 01:24:56,161
There was a lot of stuff
that wasn't resolved.
1526
01:24:56,163 --> 01:24:57,896
He was really in a bad way.
1527
01:24:57,898 --> 01:25:00,365
He actually looked
like he was suicidal.
1528
01:25:05,138 --> 01:25:06,572
Go.
1529
01:25:07,807 --> 01:25:09,041
Four.
1530
01:25:13,413 --> 01:25:15,213
What are you, Colleen?
1531
01:25:29,996 --> 01:25:32,931
He was completely
out of his mind.
1532
01:25:32,933 --> 01:25:35,801
This is crazy,
just crazy out there.
1533
01:25:35,803 --> 01:25:39,338
He was just a mess, he was
just taking it really hard.
1534
01:25:41,074 --> 01:25:42,374
That's for you, you cunt.
1535
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:46,078
He was in bad shape.
1536
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,547
He said to me, 'I can't
believe this is happening.'
1537
01:25:48,549 --> 01:25:52,017
It's gonna be really hard
for him to continue on life.
1538
01:25:55,755 --> 01:25:58,457
My whole world fell apart
at once.
1539
01:25:58,459 --> 01:26:01,793
I lost my kids, got deported,
1540
01:26:01,795 --> 01:26:03,629
came home to a dead brother.
1541
01:26:06,733 --> 01:26:09,601
I just thought, 'I deserve
to suffer. I hope I die.
1542
01:26:09,603 --> 01:26:12,404
And maybe I'll do something
like the way Ben did. '
1543
01:26:14,540 --> 01:26:17,376
So I got on the same drugs
as him -
1544
01:26:17,378 --> 01:26:21,546
methadone, Xanax, ice, hammer.
1545
01:26:23,116 --> 01:26:25,050
People were saying to me,
1546
01:26:25,052 --> 01:26:27,586
'Fuck, Tas is just
a complete write-off.'
1547
01:26:27,588 --> 01:26:31,123
And then his dad passes away.
1548
01:26:31,125 --> 01:26:32,858
Dad died of a heart attack.
1549
01:26:32,860 --> 01:26:36,395
He was stuck in America.
He was just broken.
1550
01:26:37,964 --> 01:26:40,499
I just had enough.
1551
01:26:40,501 --> 01:26:44,870
The start of the real end
was when Ben got busted.
1552
01:26:44,872 --> 01:26:46,738
That was the end for everyone.
1553
01:26:46,740 --> 01:26:49,474
I just thought I deserved
the misery Ben got
1554
01:26:49,476 --> 01:26:51,109
because I wasn't there for him-
1555
01:26:51,111 --> 01:26:54,513
because he died,
and I just wanted to die.
1556
01:26:54,515 --> 01:26:58,016
Then I thought, 'I'm a piece
of fucking shit anyway.
1557
01:26:58,018 --> 01:26:59,418
Who gives a fuck?'
1558
01:27:19,105 --> 01:27:23,709
Next minute, I'm in Argentina
with ten grand Australian,
1559
01:27:23,711 --> 01:27:27,112
a few skateboards,
a bunch of grip tape, glue
1560
01:27:27,114 --> 01:27:28,880
and a cheese grater.
1561
01:27:32,485 --> 01:27:34,786
I don't even know
what I was thinking,
1562
01:27:34,788 --> 01:27:36,588
but I just came up
with the plan.
1563
01:27:36,590 --> 01:27:40,158
Went straight up to the taxi
rank, met this cab driver,
1564
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,328
I told him the deal and he was
like, 'OK, you wait for me.'
1565
01:27:46,799 --> 01:27:49,901
Then we get driven into some
weird little ghetto thing.
1566
01:27:49,903 --> 01:27:52,637
Next thing you know
I get given a little bag
1567
01:27:52,639 --> 01:27:54,005
and it's got two discs in it
1568
01:27:54,007 --> 01:27:56,341
with a scorpion
pressed in the back of it.
1569
01:27:56,343 --> 01:27:58,643
That's it. Fine.
500g each disc.
1570
01:28:03,382 --> 01:28:05,517
I've gone back to the hotel
1571
01:28:05,519 --> 01:28:07,385
and I've started grinding away.
1572
01:28:10,857 --> 01:28:13,625
I was creeping around the room,
1573
01:28:13,627 --> 01:28:16,428
and I knew
that I had got the answer
1574
01:28:16,430 --> 01:28:18,430
that's going to fix everything.
1575
01:28:18,432 --> 01:28:23,902
O spirit brother, my turn.
This is for you.
1576
01:28:23,904 --> 01:28:28,440
I'm there for four days,
I packed everything up,
1577
01:28:28,442 --> 01:28:31,076
grabbed the bag I had,
put everything in it.
1578
01:28:40,052 --> 01:28:41,953
Welcome to Sydney.
1579
01:28:41,955 --> 01:28:43,688
Local time approaching 11:10.
1580
01:28:46,459 --> 01:28:49,461
Next thing you know, I'm
coming in, landing for Sydney
1581
01:28:49,463 --> 01:28:51,363
and I've had a moment of clarity
1582
01:28:51,365 --> 01:28:54,800
and I've gone,
'Am I fucking kidding?
1583
01:28:54,802 --> 01:28:57,469
I've got a kilo of coke.
I'm off my fucking head
1584
01:28:57,471 --> 01:28:59,070
and I've changed my ticket.
1585
01:28:59,072 --> 01:29:01,840
I've only been gone five days.
I look like a zombie.
1586
01:29:01,842 --> 01:29:03,542
I'm fucking done!'
1587
01:29:09,682 --> 01:29:12,150
It was so loosely packed, man.
1588
01:29:12,152 --> 01:29:14,886
There were smears of coke
on everything.
1589
01:29:14,888 --> 01:29:16,855
As soon as I walked
into the airport,
1590
01:29:16,857 --> 01:29:19,018
I think the coke machine
just started buzzing.
1591
01:29:24,431 --> 01:29:27,165
That thing went ballistic
as soon as it saw me.
1592
01:29:27,167 --> 01:29:29,601
That's how much residue
there was all over me.
1593
01:29:29,603 --> 01:29:32,003
It was so loosely packed.
1594
01:29:32,005 --> 01:29:35,040
The first question they asked,
'What's in the boards?'
1595
01:29:35,042 --> 01:29:37,976
It was that bloody obvious.
1596
01:29:37,978 --> 01:29:42,848
They all jumped on me,
cuffed me. Quite a fiasco.
1597
01:29:42,850 --> 01:29:47,619
I had ground up a kilo to
a nice little pile on a table
1598
01:29:47,621 --> 01:29:49,487
and it was falling
on my clothes,
1599
01:29:49,489 --> 01:29:51,723
it's all over the boards
when I was packing it in.
1600
01:29:51,725 --> 01:29:53,124
I just wiped it off with water.
1601
01:29:53,126 --> 01:29:55,060
What was I thinking?
1602
01:29:55,062 --> 01:29:56,695
I was completely gone.
1603
01:29:56,697 --> 01:30:00,031
I was so embarrassed.
I was so ashamed, man.
1604
01:30:00,033 --> 01:30:02,934
There were these
pictures on the internet
1605
01:30:02,936 --> 01:30:05,203
from the Australian
Skateboarding website -
1606
01:30:05,205 --> 01:30:07,038
three or four boards
1607
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,107
with all 'Fragile' stickers
wrapped around
1608
01:30:09,109 --> 01:30:11,776
and it said, 'A skateboarder
is caught in Sydney Airport
1609
01:30:11,778 --> 01:30:13,411
with cocaine in his boards.'
1610
01:30:13,413 --> 01:30:15,213
And you just knew instantly
it was Tas.
1611
01:30:15,215 --> 01:30:18,183
You didn't have to say Tas.
It screamed Tas all over it.
1612
01:30:18,185 --> 01:30:21,519
You would have to be
completely off your head
1613
01:30:21,521 --> 01:30:24,890
to think you were gonna get
away with those skateboards.
1614
01:30:24,892 --> 01:30:27,559
It was such a similar
subconscious thing
1615
01:30:27,561 --> 01:30:29,761
that was happening
with what Ben did.
1616
01:30:29,763 --> 01:30:33,031
It was actually...
It was pretty sad.
1617
01:30:45,845 --> 01:30:47,579
Switch...
1618
01:30:47,581 --> 01:30:51,483
In the end, I got three years.
1619
01:30:51,485 --> 01:30:53,618
I'm doing 50-50s,
you know what I mean?
1620
01:30:53,620 --> 01:30:56,454
I think it's been good for me.
1621
01:30:56,456 --> 01:30:59,858
It's been very good for me,
it's exactly what I've needed.
1622
01:30:59,860 --> 01:31:02,127
I needed to be locked in a cell
1623
01:31:02,129 --> 01:31:05,463
to really think
about my brother.
1624
01:31:05,465 --> 01:31:10,502
Because I couldn't handle the
pain. It was too much at once.
1625
01:31:10,504 --> 01:31:15,507
Went straight. Forced to face
my issues, which was good.
1626
01:31:15,509 --> 01:31:17,475
You feel like you're weak
because of it,
1627
01:31:17,477 --> 01:31:19,678
but it's actually strong
when you can admit it.
1628
01:31:20,780 --> 01:31:22,213
I miss my brother.
1629
01:31:23,883 --> 01:31:25,750
I miss him.
1630
01:31:32,458 --> 01:31:37,429
I just cried a lot in jail
thinking about Ben as a kid,
1631
01:31:37,431 --> 01:31:40,131
me as a kid
and how it all turned out.
1632
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:47,238
It seems like
they're painted one way
1633
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,174
and people perceived them
in that way.
1634
01:31:49,176 --> 01:31:51,876
To me,
they weren't like that at all.
1635
01:31:51,878 --> 01:31:56,081
They were fucking crazy, crazy
as anyone else at the time,
1636
01:31:56,083 --> 01:31:59,150
but those guys were just
really cool people, man.
1637
01:31:59,152 --> 01:32:00,685
They were really generous
1638
01:32:00,687 --> 01:32:02,620
and I think that's truly
the mentality
1639
01:32:02,622 --> 01:32:04,923
of most skateboarders.
1640
01:32:04,925 --> 01:32:08,426
On top of that, vert skating
was pretty much dead,
1641
01:32:08,428 --> 01:32:11,096
and they put a big hand
1642
01:32:11,098 --> 01:32:14,132
in saving skateboarding
right there.
1643
01:32:14,134 --> 01:32:16,067
When I heard about Ben,
1644
01:32:16,069 --> 01:32:19,104
I was like,
'Damn, skating just lost one
1645
01:32:19,106 --> 01:32:23,775
of the sickest skaters in the
history of skateboarding.'
1646
01:32:23,777 --> 01:32:28,646
I think those guys belong
in the history books
1647
01:32:28,648 --> 01:32:32,851
and Tas... Tas is still here
so he definitely needs to be
1648
01:32:32,853 --> 01:32:34,786
in the scene
with all those guys.
1649
01:32:34,788 --> 01:32:38,056
Those guys
should still be right here
1650
01:32:38,058 --> 01:32:39,557
fucking kicking ass,
1651
01:32:39,559 --> 01:32:41,760
doing the same shit
they were doing.
1652
01:32:41,762 --> 01:32:44,229
It's fucking sad.
1653
01:32:44,231 --> 01:32:50,969
Skateboarders got fucked
in the ass so bad by bullshit.
1654
01:32:50,971 --> 01:32:55,607
Skateboarding used to be so
fucking great, and still is,
1655
01:32:55,609 --> 01:32:57,475
but it's so fucking fucked.
1656
01:32:59,612 --> 01:33:01,713
Skateboarding is a gift,
1657
01:33:01,715 --> 01:33:06,017
and it did take me and Ben
away from crap in St Albans.
1658
01:33:06,019 --> 01:33:08,486
But somehow we got sucked back
into the life
1659
01:33:08,488 --> 01:33:11,689
we would have had
in St Albans anyway.
1660
01:33:11,691 --> 01:33:14,025
I mean, I don't care.
I'm over it now.
1661
01:33:14,027 --> 01:33:16,061
There's no point
in holding onto it.
1662
01:33:16,063 --> 01:33:17,695
But it got pretty heavy.
1663
01:33:22,668 --> 01:33:26,638
Somehow in my big
demented stage,
1664
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:31,176
I met Helen, we fell in love,
we had Billy straight away.
1665
01:33:31,178 --> 01:33:33,678
She stuck by me.
1666
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,748
Yeah, I just needed a strong
Australian woman
1667
01:33:36,750 --> 01:33:38,383
to help me through my shit.
1668
01:34:14,453 --> 01:34:17,755
I feel like God has given
Ben a second chance.
1669
01:34:17,757 --> 01:34:21,426
His soul is coming back
in this kid.
1670
01:34:21,428 --> 01:34:24,729
When I look at Billy,
I feel it's Ben.
1671
01:34:28,434 --> 01:34:33,438
I feel like I will Barnes it
to the death for my new Elias.
130893