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I just want to say that I feel like at the beginning of this
investigation, I was very clear.
I said there will be no fakeness and there
will be no gayness in this investigation.
And apparently there were some people
who did not take me seriously or literally
because there are a lot of little lies being told, right?
Charlie gets assassinated and the
very people who were threatening him,
reputationally and financially, are now trying to memorialize
him as having died as a friend of Israel.
Okay, challenge accepted. All lies will be revealed and we're
going to help reveal those lies.
Also, yesterday we asked for the
public's help in identifying two individuals
who Phil Lyman's nephew described as his close friends,
who decided to retrace the path of Charlie's killer.
And what we have discovered thus far is absolutely stunning.
This story couldn't get any crazier.
By the way, I did speak to Phil Lyman and I'll tell you what he
told me and what he insisted that we clarify.
Now, I would say that it's getting weird, but honestly, right
from the jump, it's been weird.
So welcome back to Candace.
It took him a little over two weeks, but now Bibi Netanyahu,
with maybe a little help from Turning Point USA,
I'm thinking is releasing the letter, the
May love letter from Charlie Kirk to Israel.
Just out of nowhere.
He just overcome with love for Israel and he decided to write
this love letter to the Prime Minister
about how they could fight harder, how they
commit themselves further to the Israeli cause.
We're going to get to that and we're just going to slaughter
that narrative that Charlie died pro-Israel.
But first, I want to jump right back into what we uncovered
yesterday to keep you guys focused.
I presented to you guys in short that
the gubernatorial candidates, Phil Lyman,
was a bit, in my opinion, too involved in the
investigation of who assassinated Charlie Kirk.
Just he was saying and doing a little too much and his energy
was weird and the energy of Tiffany Barker was weird.
And we were clear that's potentially just because he's a
politician or an aspiring politician.
Maybe he wants to assert himself as a leader in Utah.
This assassination has taken place.
But I also felt like maybe he potentially
knew a bit more than he was letting on now.
The Lyman family in general was
everywhere all over this investigation.
We introduced and I said his name was Shane.
I'd like to correct that record.
His nephew, Shainer Broderick, who rather notoriously retraced
the footpath of the killer with his two close friends.
They were like here.
Here it is.
The Converse footprint is right here.
They even created a map.
Okay.
Shainer even created a map of where exactly
V Killer walked and the media used his map.
And of course, the Lyman's car was in the driveway just 20
minutes before I feel Lyman reiterated to Fox News.
It was just 20 minutes before I pulled into the driveway at my
aunt's house and I parked my car and then 20
minutes later, the killer killer was limping by.
Now, I'll let you guys know that when our episode finished
yesterday, I had a message or two from Phil Lyman.
I despite the fact that I had reached out to him hours before
we began our show and he was understandably upset.
He at first was sort of focusing his energy toward Nick, the
person that I told you worked on his campaign and just wanted
to help out in the investigation.
Now, Phil would like me to clarify
that Nick never worked on his campaign.
And by the way, I looked back and
that was actually my mistake, not Nick's.
I thought that when Nick had first introduced Lyman to me over
the phone that he said, oh, like I am,
you know, I'm working on his campaign.
And apparently that was not accurate.
So I take full credit for that.
That was completely again,
something that I came up with by accident.
Now, the other things that he was interested in me clarifying
were also not really substantive issues.
And I want to say that Nick, having not worked on his campaign,
actually makes it even more odd that he
would stop by his house this past Saturday.
Overguarding why, by the way, he stopped by Nick's house at all
on Saturday, he said that it was because he was helping Nick
out early on in the investigation.
Yes, that is true.
I told you guys that.
And Nick was particularly asking him to determine who owned a
white vehicle that was parked in the neighborhood, which was
nearby where the shooter had walked.
Nick lives nearby and everyone locally had had looked at this
vehicle and said that it was remarkably suspicious and Phil had
come back to him and said, I can help you
figure out more about this vehicle that was parked.
Nick had nothing but a picture of that.
But that was over two weeks ago.
So I have no idea why that would have anything to do with why
he was stopping by Nick's place.
Obviously, that car is long gone.
It's been gone.
And the fact that it appeared and then disappeared is one of
the reasons why Nick wanted somebody to look into it.
So I'm not entirely clear why he needed to stop at Nick's house
to speak to him and why that
would be on his list of things to do.
Now, I am told, according to a very strong source, that what
Phil Lyman was doing in town on
Saturday was he was meeting with Tim Ballard.
That's totally random.
Did not expect to hear that.
Tim Ballard, if you are not familiar with him, is formerly of
Operation Underground Railroad, which is a charity that is
dedicated to helping to stop human sex trafficking.
I even remember, by the way, when we were all speaking about
that plane transponder that turned off that the individuals
that owned that plane were wearing an
Operation Underground Railroad t-shirt.
So I wasn't expecting that.
I am going to reach out to Tim Ballard.
I know him.
I've actually interviewed him.
And I used to donate to that charity because I was so moved by
my interview with him when I was working for Prager University.
But moving on from that, Phil also disputes something that was
quite strange, that Shainer Broderick is his nephew.
I said, okay, wait a minute.
Actually, Shainer Broderick
literally posted that on his Instagram.
He said, my uncle Phil Lyman.
But Phil seems like he's trying to
distance himself for some reason from Shainer.
He said, actually, maybe Shainer is confused.
We're just cousins.
We're just cousins.
Okay.
Well, Shainer must have been very confused because it was also
posted on his LinkedIn as a
connection that Phil Lyman was his uncle.
It's probably part of the reason, politically speaking, that he
was chosen for an internship with Senator Mike Lee of Utah.
I feel like that was a little bit of political maneuvering.
So I'm not clear why that he's
suddenly saying that it's not his nephew.
Anyway, it's not up to me.
I'm not here to get into the middle of a family feud.
But something interesting happened since our episode Shainer
completely wiped his LinkedIn page.
Doesn't want to know who he's connected to.
He's also completely wiped his Facebook page entirely.
And regarding his Instagram, he's privatized it, but he
privatized it and then removed all of the photos of his
investigation into who Charlie Kirk's killer was.
Now, that's not that doesn't make any sense to me.
I don't understand that.
I can't make sense of why you would just move to delete
everything when I reached out to you as opposed to speaking to
me about where you were, why you shot this video and maybe
sending me that video in general.
But again, that is now a dead end.
Now, I asked Phil Lyman three times via text whether or not he
could help us more importantly identify the two individuals
that were in the photo with his nephew or cousin, if you will.
And he was kind of pretending to be confused about what photo
in particular I was referring to despite the fact that I sent
it multiple times in the text chain.
And then finally, he said that he had no
idea who those two individuals were at all.
That's interesting.
This is allegedly your nephew, cousin.
You guys are all chilling on this block around the same time.
He's with these two individuals.
You've never heard of them.
You've never seen them.
Nothing because I got to identify that guy in the blue hat.
Many of you figured out by the way and wrote to the tips box
exactly what we were interested
about in that person with the blue hat.
You notice the same thing that we noticed.
He kind of resembles certainly more so than Tyler Robinson does
the blurred image of the
individual that was coming up the stairs.
I couldn't look away from that was going through the photos and
I was going, hmm, I would just like to click quickly identify
that individual and check him off and just know where he was
because yeah, it looks to be about the same.
Height.
It's weird.
Oddly, this is when I say oddly, I mean, this has never
happened in the history of all of our investigations.
No one emailed us to say that they knew either of those two
individuals, neither the blonde that's with Shainer or the
person that is wearing the blue hat that is with Shainer.
I said, that's weird.
Nobody in the whole wide Candace
Owens universe of investigation.
It was making me believe maybe those two individuals are like,
I don't know from overseas, like
maybe they're not even American.
It turns out, yeah, we were able to identify one of those
individuals in the photo and he is Austrian.
It's no wonder nobody recognized him.
I mean, what Austrian?
What's this Austrian guy doing?
How did we get here?
Anyways, his name is Gurneau Omer and we were able to find that
his face matched with photos from a blog post that was written
in German that was basically entitled
anniversary hike 10 years on foot to the sea.
The blog is about a group of 30 year olds who are recreating a
hike that they took together when they were 20.
Now, I don't even know if I'm
saying his name right, Gurneau Gurneau.
I guess it is a common name in Austria and there are a few
photos of him that were available.
We were able to find his face also matched up in a YouTube
video for a company called Bearing Point where he is seen with
a group of people and is introduced as
one of their software development teams.
A member of one of their software development teams.
So let's take a listen to that clip from YouTube.
This is the Bearing Point office in Graz.
This is where Bearing Point's key
technology competencies are concentrated.
This is one of our software development teams.
Some people are managers and some are not.
It doesn't matter.
It's all one team.
Very recently, he moved to Utah, according to his LinkedIn,
which I hope doesn't get wiped.
I'd love to get in touch with him.
In May of 2024, he moved to Utah to become
a software engineer for JP Morgan and Chase.
And I guess the story goes that he
became best friends with Shana Broderick.
I don't know.
We'll find out.
Now, what about the other guy, right?
So yesterday, we were kind of poking fun at the narrative that
Phil Lyman seemed to be trying to
spin, suggesting that quote unquote,
"Gothic girls might have been suspicious that they maybe could
have been responsible or aware at least
that the shooting was going to occur."
That was a part of his story.
He saw these Gothic girls and they
seemed unphased in all of the chaos, you know?
And I thought that was an
interesting way to describe someone as Gothic.
Gratefully, Phil Lyman did send us
footage of him after the shots rang out.
And I am saying shots plural for a
reason because we will show you that video.
But first, I want to recap what specifically Phil said publicly
about where he was when the shots rang out because I vaguely
remembered him painting a picture that he was outside.
That certainly seems to be what he told both Alex Jones and
News Nation that he was outside when the shot rang out.
Let's take a listen to what he said on Alex Jones.
Just yesterday someone comes in
and says, "Yeah, we've got video.
He came off the roof.
He walked up.
He came up here to the parking lot, got in the car with an
individual and they drove away."
Well, that's not the story that
came so that he escaped another round.
There are people who are coordinating this thing.
I do not believe that that 30-06 that they showed recovered in
the bushes was ever on the roof.
I think it was in the bushes to start with.
And now I'm not saying that Tyler Robinson wasn't on the roof.
I'm not saying he didn't pull a trigger.
I know I was in very, very close proximity.
So another interesting thing, like I
say, I had left the front of the stage.
I wanted to meet some of my friends and bring him down front.
So it was clear at the east end and I heard this loud boom.
I heard this loud bang and I turned around.
I'm looking like what was that?
What was that?
And pretty soon some people started, you know, running.
Everyone was trying to process and I thought this is a gunshot
and there's going to be more of them.
I thought it could turn into a mass shooting.
So I go to the people closest to me.
Everyone's ducking down behind the concrete retaining walls and
some of them were still kind of oblivious.
But there were two people that were standing there.
Two girls, very goth, very black, you know, and I just walked
and I stepped up to the side of them.
I said, did that not happen right here?
Did did you hear that?
Was that right here?
And they said, yeah, it was just right over there.
So they were confirming.
Yeah, the shooter or wherever
that sound came from is right here.
The thing that didn't really dawn
on me is that they were not running.
They were not frightened.
In fact, as I stepped up, I heard one of the girls and they
were talking to each other and they're looking at these kids
looking at the scene down below them of
all these people fleeing for their lives.
And she says, go f yourselves.
And and like I say, I was not processing.
I was trying to figure out what was going on.
I thought this is a separate conversation.
I don't know what it is.
In hindsight, as I've watched that over and over, it's like
these these people were not afraid.
Okay.
And on News Nation, I want you to listen carefully because he
at first says that he was about to walk
into the building and the shot rang out.
But then he says he ran out of the
building after the shot rang out.
So let's take a listen to that.
I walked up top.
I had to go meet some people.
So I said, so I was down there when he started.
We started talking.
I thought I'm going to go up top and meet some of the people.
So I got clear up on top and I was just coming around the
corner walking into one of the buildings and I heard a loud
bang that I thought was right behind me.
And I turned around, looked at the girl that was there.
And she was kind of looking stunned.
And what was that?
And I'm looking at her and then see a little bit of commotion.
I realize right then it's a gunshot.
So so I ran out the people running in the building.
I ran out to see who it was.
I'm thinking this is there's a lot of kids out here and and I
and then pretty, you know, a few minutes later than the police
were running saying, did anybody see?
Did anybody see?
I think it was on the roof above me.
I really is the only thing I could
figure because it's like he has to.
It had to have been very, very close to where I'm standing.
And in hindsight, I think it was probably above me on the roof.
Okay, so a couple of those statements
are what I would describe as little lies.
Well, they're just not true because at 1223, according to his
metadata, because he sent to me, Bill Lyman was inside of the
building and he must have then immediately, according to our
timeline, hit record and he didn't run.
He calmly walked out of Serenson building.
I hope I'm saying that right.
The Serenson building and he wasn't the only one that was
walking calmly and I'm not by the way, none of these people are
suspicious to me walking calmly
because they're inside the building.
Not really sure what they heard perhaps and they're all kind of
walking calmly out and I'm going to show you that footage and
to be clear, you're going to see two girls that are simply
wearing black by no stretch of imagination.
Would I prefer to these girls as Gothic?
Actually, I think one of them is actually a guy, but they're
wearing black, that dark makeup.
There's just black and he asks them
what I can hear audibly as he asks them.
What was that?
So I don't know how certain he was.
It could have been a shooting, but I'm going to let you watch
it first and then we're going to try to clean up the audio.
Now, if you're listening to this on a podcast and you're not be
able to watch this, you might want to
turn this down because it is visual.
Take a look.
So you can just sort of see everyone up top.
A couple of people were actually out there are ducking.
He was on the inside.
They said this was a 1223.
So he was inside, walked out and then he's going to start a
conversation with two people that are just wearing black and
then you see he continues if you do goes on for like three
minutes and he just sort of walks down and he engages in a
conversation with those two girls and they answer him doesn't
that there's nothing here that seems to me to be controversial
when he hears them say something about F.
You it's before he has a conversation with him.
It does happen.
Take a listen.
Trying to isolate this audio for you guys.
Those are two really talking about. So he says, did you see where that came from?
It seems like a normal conversation kind of weird for me.
And there's a reason why I'm saying that to hone in on these
two individuals and to say like Gothic and to pretend that they
were doing something that looked abnormal given the fact that
in the longer video everyone up top is quite calm because I
don't think they're really entirely sure what is happening and
some of them are ducking as maybe
they saw it because they were outside.
So I wanted to get to the bottom as I said earlier of who that
second person was in the photo with his
nephew, cousin, whatever you want to call him.
And we got just one hit and it was
honestly was from Belfast, North Ireland.
No less.
Somebody sent us an email and he said, look, I conducted an
interview and an internet wide search of the person's face and
I only got one hit using technology and it was in Provo, Utah.
And he wrote to me that it was quite a coincidence because not
only is a person in Provo for this one hit for this face, but
also he's featured on a website pertaining to bees.
And he's like, didn't you just do a thing saying that you had
this weird thing about bees and you
thought that there was something else going on.
And my goodness, you guys, I almost jumped when I learned that
that website he was referring to, Buzzard
and Bees, is a Gothic underground in Provo.
Okay.
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