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I just want to say that I feel
like at the beginning of this

investigation, I was
very clear.

I said there will be no
fakeness and there

will be no gayness in this
investigation.

And apparently there were
some people

who did not take me seriously
or literally

because there are a lot of little
lies being told, right?

Charlie gets assassinated
and the

very people who were
threatening him,

reputationally and financially,
are now trying to memorialize

him as having died as a
friend of Israel.

Okay, challenge accepted. All lies
will be revealed and we're

going to help reveal
those lies.

Also, yesterday we
asked for the

public's help in identifying
two individuals

who Phil Lyman's nephew described
as his close friends,

who decided to retrace the path
of Charlie's killer.

And what we have discovered thus
far is absolutely stunning.

This story couldn't get
any crazier.

By the way, I did speak to Phil Lyman
and I'll tell you what he

told me and what he insisted
that we clarify.

Now, I would say that it's getting
weird, but honestly, right

from the jump, it's been weird.

So welcome back to Candace.

It took him a little over two weeks,
but now Bibi Netanyahu,

with maybe a little help from
Turning Point USA,

I'm thinking is releasing
the letter, the

May love letter from Charlie
Kirk to Israel.

Just out of nowhere.

He just overcome with love for Israel
and he decided to write

this love letter to the
Prime Minister

about how they could fight
harder, how they

commit themselves further to
the Israeli cause.

We're going to get to that and
we're just going to slaughter

that narrative that Charlie
died pro-Israel.

But first, I want to jump right
back into what we uncovered

yesterday to keep you
guys focused.

I presented to you guys
in short that

the gubernatorial candidates,
Phil Lyman,

was a bit, in my opinion,
too involved in the

investigation of who assassinated
Charlie Kirk.

Just he was saying and doing a little
too much and his energy

was weird and the energy of
Tiffany Barker was weird.

And we were clear that's potentially
just because he's a

politician or an aspiring
politician.

Maybe he wants to assert himself
as a leader in Utah.

This assassination has
taken place.

But I also felt like maybe
he potentially

knew a bit more than he was
letting on now.

The Lyman family in general was

everywhere all over this
investigation.

We introduced and I said
his name was Shane.

I'd like to correct
that record.

His nephew, Shainer Broderick, who
rather notoriously retraced

the footpath of the killer with
his two close friends.

They were like here.

Here it is.

The Converse footprint
is right here.

They even created a map.

Okay.

Shainer even created a map
of where exactly

V Killer walked and the media
used his map.

And of course, the Lyman's car
was in the driveway just 20

minutes before I feel Lyman
reiterated to Fox News.

It was just 20 minutes before I
pulled into the driveway at my

aunt's house and I parked
my car and then 20

minutes later, the killer
killer was limping by.

Now, I'll let you guys know that
when our episode finished

yesterday, I had a message or
two from Phil Lyman.

I despite the fact that I had reached
out to him hours before

we began our show and he was
understandably upset.

He at first was sort of focusing
his energy toward Nick, the

person that I told you worked on
his campaign and just wanted

to help out in the
investigation.

Now, Phil would like
me to clarify

that Nick never worked
on his campaign.

And by the way, I looked
back and

that was actually my mistake,
not Nick's.

I thought that when Nick had first
introduced Lyman to me over

the phone that he said,
oh, like I am,

you know, I'm working
on his campaign.

And apparently that was
not accurate.

So I take full credit for that.

That was completely again,

something that I came up
with by accident.

Now, the other things that he was
interested in me clarifying

were also not really
substantive issues.

And I want to say that Nick, having
not worked on his campaign,

actually makes it even
more odd that he

would stop by his house this
past Saturday.

Overguarding why, by the way, he
stopped by Nick's house at all

on Saturday, he said that it was
because he was helping Nick

out early on in the
investigation.

Yes, that is true.

I told you guys that.

And Nick was particularly asking
him to determine who owned a

white vehicle that was parked in
the neighborhood, which was

nearby where the shooter
had walked.

Nick lives nearby and everyone locally
had had looked at this

vehicle and said that it was remarkably
suspicious and Phil had

come back to him and said,
I can help you

figure out more about this
vehicle that was parked.

Nick had nothing but a
picture of that.

But that was over two
weeks ago.

So I have no idea why that would
have anything to do with why

he was stopping by
Nick's place.

Obviously, that car
is long gone.

It's been gone.

And the fact that it appeared and
then disappeared is one of

the reasons why Nick wanted
somebody to look into it.

So I'm not entirely clear why he
needed to stop at Nick's house

to speak to him and why that

would be on his list of
things to do.

Now, I am told, according to a
very strong source, that what

Phil Lyman was doing in town on

Saturday was he was meeting
with Tim Ballard.

That's totally random.

Did not expect to hear that.

Tim Ballard, if you are not familiar
with him, is formerly of

Operation Underground Railroad,
which is a charity that is

dedicated to helping to stop
human sex trafficking.

I even remember, by the way, when
we were all speaking about

that plane transponder that turned
off that the individuals

that owned that plane
were wearing an

Operation Underground Railroad
t-shirt.

So I wasn't expecting that.

I am going to reach out
to Tim Ballard.

I know him.

I've actually interviewed him.

And I used to donate to that charity
because I was so moved by

my interview with him when I was
working for Prager University.

But moving on from that, Phil also
disputes something that was

quite strange, that Shainer
Broderick is his nephew.

I said, okay, wait a minute.

Actually, Shainer Broderick

literally posted that on
his Instagram.

He said, my uncle Phil Lyman.

But Phil seems like
he's trying to

distance himself for some
reason from Shainer.

He said, actually, maybe
Shainer is confused.

We're just cousins.

We're just cousins.

Okay.

Well, Shainer must have been very
confused because it was also

posted on his LinkedIn as a

connection that Phil Lyman
was his uncle.

It's probably part of the reason,
politically speaking, that he

was chosen for an internship with
Senator Mike Lee of Utah.

I feel like that was a little bit
of political maneuvering.

So I'm not clear why that he's

suddenly saying that it's
not his nephew.

Anyway, it's not up to me.

I'm not here to get into the
middle of a family feud.

But something interesting happened
since our episode Shainer

completely wiped his
LinkedIn page.

Doesn't want to know who
he's connected to.

He's also completely wiped his
Facebook page entirely.

And regarding his Instagram,
he's privatized it, but he

privatized it and then removed
all of the photos of his

investigation into who Charlie
Kirk's killer was.

Now, that's not that doesn't
make any sense to me.

I don't understand that.

I can't make sense of why you
would just move to delete

everything when I reached out to
you as opposed to speaking to

me about where you were, why you
shot this video and maybe

sending me that video
in general.

But again, that is now
a dead end.

Now, I asked Phil Lyman three times
via text whether or not he

could help us more importantly
identify the two individuals

that were in the photo with his
nephew or cousin, if you will.

And he was kind of pretending to
be confused about what photo

in particular I was referring to
despite the fact that I sent

it multiple times in
the text chain.

And then finally, he said
that he had no

idea who those two individuals
were at all.

That's interesting.

This is allegedly your
nephew, cousin.

You guys are all chilling on this
block around the same time.

He's with these two
individuals.

You've never heard of them.

You've never seen them.

Nothing because I got to identify
that guy in the blue hat.

Many of you figured out by the
way and wrote to the tips box

exactly what we were interested

about in that person with
the blue hat.

You notice the same thing
that we noticed.

He kind of resembles certainly more
so than Tyler Robinson does

the blurred image of the

individual that was coming
up the stairs.

I couldn't look away from that was
going through the photos and

I was going, hmm, I would just like
to click quickly identify

that individual and check him off
and just know where he was

because yeah, it looks to
be about the same.

Height.

It's weird.

Oddly, this is when I say oddly,
I mean, this has never

happened in the history of all
of our investigations.

No one emailed us to say that they
knew either of those two

individuals, neither the blonde
that's with Shainer or the

person that is wearing the blue
hat that is with Shainer.

I said, that's weird.

Nobody in the whole
wide Candace

Owens universe of
investigation.

It was making me believe maybe those
two individuals are like,

I don't know from overseas,
like

maybe they're not even
American.

It turns out, yeah, we were able
to identify one of those

individuals in the photo
and he is Austrian.

It's no wonder nobody
recognized him.

I mean, what Austrian?

What's this Austrian guy doing?

How did we get here?

Anyways, his name is Gurneau Omer
and we were able to find that

his face matched with photos from
a blog post that was written

in German that was basically
entitled

anniversary hike 10 years
on foot to the sea.

The blog is about a group of 30
year olds who are recreating a

hike that they took together
when they were 20.

Now, I don't even know if I'm

saying his name right,
Gurneau Gurneau.

I guess it is a common name in
Austria and there are a few

photos of him that were
available.

We were able to find his face
also matched up in a YouTube

video for a company called Bearing
Point where he is seen with

a group of people and
is introduced as

one of their software
development teams.

A member of one of their software
development teams.

So let's take a listen to that
clip from YouTube.

This is the Bearing Point
office in Graz.

This is where Bearing
Point's key

technology competencies
are concentrated.

This is one of our software
development teams.

Some people are managers
and some are not.

It doesn't matter.

It's all one team.

Very recently, he moved to Utah,
according to his LinkedIn,

which I hope doesn't get wiped.

I'd love to get in touch
with him.

In May of 2024, he moved
to Utah to become

a software engineer for JP
Morgan and Chase.

And I guess the story
goes that he

became best friends with
Shana Broderick.

I don't know.

We'll find out.

Now, what about the other
guy, right?

So yesterday, we were kind of poking
fun at the narrative that

Phil Lyman seemed to
be trying to

spin, suggesting that
quote unquote,

"Gothic girls might have been suspicious
that they maybe could

have been responsible or
aware at least

that the shooting was
going to occur."

That was a part of his story.

He saw these Gothic
girls and they

seemed unphased in all of
the chaos, you know?

And I thought that was an

interesting way to describe
someone as Gothic.

Gratefully, Phil Lyman
did send us

footage of him after the
shots rang out.

And I am saying shots
plural for a

reason because we will show
you that video.

But first, I want to recap what specifically
Phil said publicly

about where he was when the shots
rang out because I vaguely

remembered him painting a picture
that he was outside.

That certainly seems to be what
he told both Alex Jones and

News Nation that he was outside
when the shot rang out.

Let's take a listen to what
he said on Alex Jones.

Just yesterday someone comes in

and says, "Yeah, we've
got video.

He came off the roof.

He walked up.

He came up here to the parking
lot, got in the car with an

individual and they
drove away."

Well, that's not the story that

came so that he escaped
another round.

There are people who are coordinating
this thing.

I do not believe that that 30-06
that they showed recovered in

the bushes was ever
on the roof.

I think it was in the bushes
to start with.

And now I'm not saying that Tyler
Robinson wasn't on the roof.

I'm not saying he didn't
pull a trigger.

I know I was in very, very
close proximity.

So another interesting
thing, like I

say, I had left the front
of the stage.

I wanted to meet some of my friends
and bring him down front.

So it was clear at the east end
and I heard this loud boom.

I heard this loud bang and
I turned around.

I'm looking like what was that?

What was that?

And pretty soon some people started,
you know, running.

Everyone was trying to process and
I thought this is a gunshot

and there's going to be
more of them.

I thought it could turn into
a mass shooting.

So I go to the people
closest to me.

Everyone's ducking down behind the
concrete retaining walls and

some of them were still
kind of oblivious.

But there were two people that
were standing there.

Two girls, very goth, very black,
you know, and I just walked

and I stepped up to the
side of them.

I said, did that not happen
right here?

Did did you hear that?

Was that right here?

And they said, yeah, it was
just right over there.

So they were confirming.

Yeah, the shooter or wherever

that sound came from
is right here.

The thing that didn't
really dawn

on me is that they were
not running.

They were not frightened.

In fact, as I stepped up, I heard
one of the girls and they

were talking to each other and
they're looking at these kids

looking at the scene down
below them of

all these people fleeing
for their lives.

And she says, go f yourselves.

And and like I say, I was
not processing.

I was trying to figure out
what was going on.

I thought this is a separate
conversation.

I don't know what it is.

In hindsight, as I've watched that
over and over, it's like

these these people were
not afraid.

Okay.

And on News Nation, I want you to
listen carefully because he

at first says that he was
about to walk

into the building and the
shot rang out.

But then he says he
ran out of the

building after the shot
rang out.

So let's take a listen to that.

I walked up top.

I had to go meet some people.

So I said, so I was down there
when he started.

We started talking.

I thought I'm going to go up top
and meet some of the people.

So I got clear up on top and I
was just coming around the

corner walking into one of the
buildings and I heard a loud

bang that I thought was
right behind me.

And I turned around, looked at
the girl that was there.

And she was kind of looking
stunned.

And what was that?

And I'm looking at her and then
see a little bit of commotion.

I realize right then
it's a gunshot.

So so I ran out the people
running in the building.

I ran out to see who it was.

I'm thinking this is there's a lot
of kids out here and and I

and then pretty, you know, a few
minutes later than the police

were running saying, did
anybody see?

Did anybody see?

I think it was on the
roof above me.

I really is the only
thing I could

figure because it's like
he has to.

It had to have been very, very
close to where I'm standing.

And in hindsight, I think it was
probably above me on the roof.

Okay, so a couple of those
statements

are what I would describe
as little lies.

Well, they're just not true because
at 1223, according to his

metadata, because he sent to me,
Bill Lyman was inside of the

building and he must have then
immediately, according to our

timeline, hit record and
he didn't run.

He calmly walked out of
Serenson building.

I hope I'm saying that right.

The Serenson building and he wasn't
the only one that was

walking calmly and I'm not by the
way, none of these people are

suspicious to me walking calmly

because they're inside
the building.

Not really sure what they heard perhaps
and they're all kind of

walking calmly out and I'm going
to show you that footage and

to be clear, you're going to see
two girls that are simply

wearing black by no stretch
of imagination.

Would I prefer to these
girls as Gothic?

Actually, I think one of them is
actually a guy, but they're

wearing black, that
dark makeup.

There's just black and
he asks them

what I can hear audibly
as he asks them.

What was that?

So I don't know how certain
he was.

It could have been a shooting, but
I'm going to let you watch

it first and then we're going to
try to clean up the audio.

Now, if you're listening to this
on a podcast and you're not be

able to watch this, you
might want to

turn this down because
it is visual.

Take a look.

So you can just sort of see
everyone up top.

A couple of people were actually
out there are ducking.

He was on the inside.

They said this was a 1223.

So he was inside, walked out and
then he's going to start a

conversation with two people that
are just wearing black and

then you see he continues if you
do goes on for like three

minutes and he just sort of walks
down and he engages in a

conversation with those two girls
and they answer him doesn't

that there's nothing here that seems
to me to be controversial

when he hears them say
something about F.

You it's before he has a
conversation with him.

It does happen.

Take a listen.

Trying to isolate this audio
for you guys.

Those are two really talking about. So he
says, did you see where that came from?

It seems like a normal conversation
kind of weird for me.

And there's a reason why I'm saying
that to hone in on these

two individuals and to say like Gothic
and to pretend that they

were doing something that looked
abnormal given the fact that

in the longer video everyone up
top is quite calm because I

don't think they're really entirely
sure what is happening and

some of them are ducking
as maybe

they saw it because they
were outside.

So I wanted to get to the bottom
as I said earlier of who that

second person was in the
photo with his

nephew, cousin, whatever you
want to call him.

And we got just one
hit and it was

honestly was from Belfast,
North Ireland.

No less.

Somebody sent us an email and he
said, look, I conducted an

interview and an internet wide search
of the person's face and

I only got one hit using technology
and it was in Provo, Utah.

And he wrote to me that it was quite
a coincidence because not

only is a person in Provo for this
one hit for this face, but

also he's featured on a website
pertaining to bees.

And he's like, didn't you just do
a thing saying that you had

this weird thing about
bees and you

thought that there was something
else going on.

And my goodness, you guys, I almost
jumped when I learned that

that website he was referring
to, Buzzard

and Bees, is a Gothic underground
in Provo.

Okay.

So this is this is.