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I just want to say that I feel like at the beginning of this

investigation, I was very clear.

I said there will be no fakeness and there

will be no gayness in this investigation.

And apparently there were some people

who did not take me seriously or literally

because there are a lot of little lies being told, right?

Charlie gets assassinated and the

very people who were threatening him,

reputationally and financially, are now trying to memorialize

him as having died as a friend of Israel.

Okay, challenge accepted. All lies will be revealed and we're

going to help reveal those lies.

Also, yesterday we asked for the

public's help in identifying two individuals

who Phil Lyman's nephew described as his close friends,

who decided to retrace the path of Charlie's killer.

And what we have discovered thus far is absolutely stunning.

This story couldn't get any crazier.

By the way, I did speak to Phil Lyman and I'll tell you what he

told me and what he insisted that we clarify.

Now, I would say that it's getting weird, but honestly, right

from the jump, it's been weird.

So welcome back to Candace.

It took him a little over two weeks, but now Bibi Netanyahu,

with maybe a little help from Turning Point USA,

I'm thinking is releasing the letter, the

May love letter from Charlie Kirk to Israel.

Just out of nowhere.

He just overcome with love for Israel and he decided to write

this love letter to the Prime Minister

about how they could fight harder, how they

commit themselves further to the Israeli cause.

We're going to get to that and we're just going to slaughter

that narrative that Charlie died pro-Israel.

But first, I want to jump right back into what we uncovered

yesterday to keep you guys focused.

I presented to you guys in short that

the gubernatorial candidates, Phil Lyman,

was a bit, in my opinion, too involved in the

investigation of who assassinated Charlie Kirk.

Just he was saying and doing a little too much and his energy

was weird and the energy of Tiffany Barker was weird.

And we were clear that's potentially just because he's a

politician or an aspiring politician.

Maybe he wants to assert himself as a leader in Utah.

This assassination has taken place.

But I also felt like maybe he potentially

knew a bit more than he was letting on now.

The Lyman family in general was

everywhere all over this investigation.

We introduced and I said his name was Shane.

I'd like to correct that record.

His nephew, Shainer Broderick, who rather notoriously retraced

the footpath of the killer with his two close friends.

They were like here.

Here it is.

The Converse footprint is right here.

They even created a map.

Okay.

Shainer even created a map of where exactly

V Killer walked and the media used his map.

And of course, the Lyman's car was in the driveway just 20

minutes before I feel Lyman reiterated to Fox News.

It was just 20 minutes before I pulled into the driveway at my

aunt's house and I parked my car and then 20

minutes later, the killer killer was limping by.

Now, I'll let you guys know that when our episode finished

yesterday, I had a message or two from Phil Lyman.

I despite the fact that I had reached out to him hours before

we began our show and he was understandably upset.

He at first was sort of focusing his energy toward Nick, the

person that I told you worked on his campaign and just wanted

to help out in the investigation.

Now, Phil would like me to clarify

that Nick never worked on his campaign.

And by the way, I looked back and

that was actually my mistake, not Nick's.

I thought that when Nick had first introduced Lyman to me over

the phone that he said, oh, like I am,

you know, I'm working on his campaign.

And apparently that was not accurate.

So I take full credit for that.

That was completely again,

something that I came up with by accident.

Now, the other things that he was interested in me clarifying

were also not really substantive issues.

And I want to say that Nick, having not worked on his campaign,

actually makes it even more odd that he

would stop by his house this past Saturday.

Overguarding why, by the way, he stopped by Nick's house at all

on Saturday, he said that it was because he was helping Nick

out early on in the investigation.

Yes, that is true.

I told you guys that.

And Nick was particularly asking him to determine who owned a

white vehicle that was parked in the neighborhood, which was

nearby where the shooter had walked.

Nick lives nearby and everyone locally had had looked at this

vehicle and said that it was remarkably suspicious and Phil had

come back to him and said, I can help you

figure out more about this vehicle that was parked.

Nick had nothing but a picture of that.

But that was over two weeks ago.

So I have no idea why that would have anything to do with why

he was stopping by Nick's place.

Obviously, that car is long gone.

It's been gone.

And the fact that it appeared and then disappeared is one of

the reasons why Nick wanted somebody to look into it.

So I'm not entirely clear why he needed to stop at Nick's house

to speak to him and why that

would be on his list of things to do.

Now, I am told, according to a very strong source, that what

Phil Lyman was doing in town on

Saturday was he was meeting with Tim Ballard.

That's totally random.

Did not expect to hear that.

Tim Ballard, if you are not familiar with him, is formerly of

Operation Underground Railroad, which is a charity that is

dedicated to helping to stop human sex trafficking.

I even remember, by the way, when we were all speaking about

that plane transponder that turned off that the individuals

that owned that plane were wearing an

Operation Underground Railroad t-shirt.

So I wasn't expecting that.

I am going to reach out to Tim Ballard.

I know him.

I've actually interviewed him.

And I used to donate to that charity because I was so moved by

my interview with him when I was working for Prager University.

But moving on from that, Phil also disputes something that was

quite strange, that Shainer Broderick is his nephew.

I said, okay, wait a minute.

Actually, Shainer Broderick

literally posted that on his Instagram.

He said, my uncle Phil Lyman.

But Phil seems like he's trying to

distance himself for some reason from Shainer.

He said, actually, maybe Shainer is confused.

We're just cousins.

We're just cousins.

Okay.

Well, Shainer must have been very confused because it was also

posted on his LinkedIn as a

connection that Phil Lyman was his uncle.

It's probably part of the reason, politically speaking, that he

was chosen for an internship with Senator Mike Lee of Utah.

I feel like that was a little bit of political maneuvering.

So I'm not clear why that he's

suddenly saying that it's not his nephew.

Anyway, it's not up to me.

I'm not here to get into the middle of a family feud.

But something interesting happened since our episode Shainer

completely wiped his LinkedIn page.

Doesn't want to know who he's connected to.

He's also completely wiped his Facebook page entirely.

And regarding his Instagram, he's privatized it, but he

privatized it and then removed all of the photos of his

investigation into who Charlie Kirk's killer was.

Now, that's not that doesn't make any sense to me.

I don't understand that.

I can't make sense of why you would just move to delete

everything when I reached out to you as opposed to speaking to

me about where you were, why you shot this video and maybe

sending me that video in general.

But again, that is now a dead end.

Now, I asked Phil Lyman three times via text whether or not he

could help us more importantly identify the two individuals

that were in the photo with his nephew or cousin, if you will.

And he was kind of pretending to be confused about what photo

in particular I was referring to despite the fact that I sent

it multiple times in the text chain.

And then finally, he said that he had no

idea who those two individuals were at all.

That's interesting.

This is allegedly your nephew, cousin.

You guys are all chilling on this block around the same time.

He's with these two individuals.

You've never heard of them.

You've never seen them.

Nothing because I got to identify that guy in the blue hat.

Many of you figured out by the way and wrote to the tips box

exactly what we were interested

about in that person with the blue hat.

You notice the same thing that we noticed.

He kind of resembles certainly more so than Tyler Robinson does

the blurred image of the

individual that was coming up the stairs.

I couldn't look away from that was going through the photos and

I was going, hmm, I would just like to click quickly identify

that individual and check him off and just know where he was

because yeah, it looks to be about the same.

Height.

It's weird.

Oddly, this is when I say oddly, I mean, this has never

happened in the history of all of our investigations.

No one emailed us to say that they knew either of those two

individuals, neither the blonde that's with Shainer or the

person that is wearing the blue hat that is with Shainer.

I said, that's weird.

Nobody in the whole wide Candace

Owens universe of investigation.

It was making me believe maybe those two individuals are like,

I don't know from overseas, like

maybe they're not even American.

It turns out, yeah, we were able to identify one of those

individuals in the photo and he is Austrian.

It's no wonder nobody recognized him.

I mean, what Austrian?

What's this Austrian guy doing?

How did we get here?

Anyways, his name is Gurneau Omer and we were able to find that

his face matched with photos from a blog post that was written

in German that was basically entitled

anniversary hike 10 years on foot to the sea.

The blog is about a group of 30 year olds who are recreating a

hike that they took together when they were 20.

Now, I don't even know if I'm

saying his name right, Gurneau Gurneau.

I guess it is a common name in Austria and there are a few

photos of him that were available.

We were able to find his face also matched up in a YouTube

video for a company called Bearing Point where he is seen with

a group of people and is introduced as

one of their software development teams.

A member of one of their software development teams.

So let's take a listen to that clip from YouTube.

This is the Bearing Point office in Graz.

This is where Bearing Point's key

technology competencies are concentrated.

This is one of our software development teams.

Some people are managers and some are not.

It doesn't matter.

It's all one team.

Very recently, he moved to Utah, according to his LinkedIn,

which I hope doesn't get wiped.

I'd love to get in touch with him.

In May of 2024, he moved to Utah to become

a software engineer for JP Morgan and Chase.

And I guess the story goes that he

became best friends with Shana Broderick.

I don't know.

We'll find out.

Now, what about the other guy, right?

So yesterday, we were kind of poking fun at the narrative that

Phil Lyman seemed to be trying to

spin, suggesting that quote unquote,

"Gothic girls might have been suspicious that they maybe could

have been responsible or aware at least

that the shooting was going to occur."

That was a part of his story.

He saw these Gothic girls and they

seemed unphased in all of the chaos, you know?

And I thought that was an

interesting way to describe someone as Gothic.

Gratefully, Phil Lyman did send us

footage of him after the shots rang out.

And I am saying shots plural for a

reason because we will show you that video.

But first, I want to recap what specifically Phil said publicly

about where he was when the shots rang out because I vaguely

remembered him painting a picture that he was outside.

That certainly seems to be what he told both Alex Jones and

News Nation that he was outside when the shot rang out.

Let's take a listen to what he said on Alex Jones.

Just yesterday someone comes in

and says, "Yeah, we've got video.

He came off the roof.

He walked up.

He came up here to the parking lot, got in the car with an

individual and they drove away."

Well, that's not the story that

came so that he escaped another round.

There are people who are coordinating this thing.

I do not believe that that 30-06 that they showed recovered in

the bushes was ever on the roof.

I think it was in the bushes to start with.

And now I'm not saying that Tyler Robinson wasn't on the roof.

I'm not saying he didn't pull a trigger.

I know I was in very, very close proximity.

So another interesting thing, like I

say, I had left the front of the stage.

I wanted to meet some of my friends and bring him down front.

So it was clear at the east end and I heard this loud boom.

I heard this loud bang and I turned around.

I'm looking like what was that?

What was that?

And pretty soon some people started, you know, running.

Everyone was trying to process and I thought this is a gunshot

and there's going to be more of them.

I thought it could turn into a mass shooting.

So I go to the people closest to me.

Everyone's ducking down behind the concrete retaining walls and

some of them were still kind of oblivious.

But there were two people that were standing there.

Two girls, very goth, very black, you know, and I just walked

and I stepped up to the side of them.

I said, did that not happen right here?

Did did you hear that?

Was that right here?

And they said, yeah, it was just right over there.

So they were confirming.

Yeah, the shooter or wherever

that sound came from is right here.

The thing that didn't really dawn

on me is that they were not running.

They were not frightened.

In fact, as I stepped up, I heard one of the girls and they

were talking to each other and they're looking at these kids

looking at the scene down below them of

all these people fleeing for their lives.

And she says, go f yourselves.

And and like I say, I was not processing.

I was trying to figure out what was going on.

I thought this is a separate conversation.

I don't know what it is.

In hindsight, as I've watched that over and over, it's like

these these people were not afraid.

Okay.

And on News Nation, I want you to listen carefully because he

at first says that he was about to walk

into the building and the shot rang out.

But then he says he ran out of the

building after the shot rang out.

So let's take a listen to that.

I walked up top.

I had to go meet some people.

So I said, so I was down there when he started.

We started talking.

I thought I'm going to go up top and meet some of the people.

So I got clear up on top and I was just coming around the

corner walking into one of the buildings and I heard a loud

bang that I thought was right behind me.

And I turned around, looked at the girl that was there.

And she was kind of looking stunned.

And what was that?

And I'm looking at her and then see a little bit of commotion.

I realize right then it's a gunshot.

So so I ran out the people running in the building.

I ran out to see who it was.

I'm thinking this is there's a lot of kids out here and and I

and then pretty, you know, a few minutes later than the police

were running saying, did anybody see?

Did anybody see?

I think it was on the roof above me.

I really is the only thing I could

figure because it's like he has to.

It had to have been very, very close to where I'm standing.

And in hindsight, I think it was probably above me on the roof.

Okay, so a couple of those statements

are what I would describe as little lies.

Well, they're just not true because at 1223, according to his

metadata, because he sent to me, Bill Lyman was inside of the

building and he must have then immediately, according to our

timeline, hit record and he didn't run.

He calmly walked out of Serenson building.

I hope I'm saying that right.

The Serenson building and he wasn't the only one that was

walking calmly and I'm not by the way, none of these people are

suspicious to me walking calmly

because they're inside the building.

Not really sure what they heard perhaps and they're all kind of

walking calmly out and I'm going to show you that footage and

to be clear, you're going to see two girls that are simply

wearing black by no stretch of imagination.

Would I prefer to these girls as Gothic?

Actually, I think one of them is actually a guy, but they're

wearing black, that dark makeup.

There's just black and he asks them

what I can hear audibly as he asks them.

What was that?

So I don't know how certain he was.

It could have been a shooting, but I'm going to let you watch

it first and then we're going to try to clean up the audio.

Now, if you're listening to this on a podcast and you're not be

able to watch this, you might want to

turn this down because it is visual.

Take a look.

So you can just sort of see everyone up top.

A couple of people were actually out there are ducking.

He was on the inside.

They said this was a 1223.

So he was inside, walked out and then he's going to start a

conversation with two people that are just wearing black and

then you see he continues if you do goes on for like three

minutes and he just sort of walks down and he engages in a

conversation with those two girls and they answer him doesn't

that there's nothing here that seems to me to be controversial

when he hears them say something about F.

You it's before he has a conversation with him.

It does happen.

Take a listen.

Trying to isolate this audio for you guys.

Those are two really talking about. So he says, did you see where that came from?

It seems like a normal conversation kind of weird for me.

And there's a reason why I'm saying that to hone in on these

two individuals and to say like Gothic and to pretend that they

were doing something that looked abnormal given the fact that

in the longer video everyone up top is quite calm because I

don't think they're really entirely sure what is happening and

some of them are ducking as maybe

they saw it because they were outside.

So I wanted to get to the bottom as I said earlier of who that

second person was in the photo with his

nephew, cousin, whatever you want to call him.

And we got just one hit and it was

honestly was from Belfast, North Ireland.

No less.

Somebody sent us an email and he said, look, I conducted an

interview and an internet wide search of the person's face and

I only got one hit using technology and it was in Provo, Utah.

And he wrote to me that it was quite a coincidence because not

only is a person in Provo for this one hit for this face, but

also he's featured on a website pertaining to bees.

And he's like, didn't you just do a thing saying that you had

this weird thing about bees and you

thought that there was something else going on.

And my goodness, you guys, I almost jumped when I learned that

that website he was referring to, Buzzard

and Bees, is a Gothic underground in Provo.

Okay.

So this is this is.